The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 802 - Getting Over Self-Government

00:00:00.000 After lying to us and flip-flopping on just about every single aspect of the Chinese coronavirus

00:00:05.420 for the past 18 months, public health officials are furious that some Americans just don't want

00:00:13.240 to take the experimental drug that they keep peddling. Dr. Fauci has had enough, okay? He's

00:00:19.740 had enough to hear with your political objections, and he wants you to get over them.

00:00:25.120 This is not complicated. We're not asking anybody to make any political statement one

00:00:31.120 way or another. We're saying try and save your life and that of your family and that

00:00:36.600 of the community. We have so many things, as you said, so many diseases that I deal with

00:00:43.020 that don't have solutions. It's very frustrating. You don't have a treatment or you don't have

00:00:48.520 a vaccine. Here we have a vaccine that's highly, highly effective in preventing disease and

00:00:55.900 certainly in preventing severe disease and hospitalization. It's easy to get, it's free,

00:01:02.840 and it's readily available. So, you know, you've got to ask, what is the problem? Get over it.

00:01:09.580 Get over this political statement. Just get over it and try and save the lives of yourself and your

00:01:15.580 family. Get over your politics. Get over your self-government and take the vax, sheep. 0.96

00:01:24.200 Well, you know, some Americans don't want to get over our political views. Some are fighting back

00:01:31.500 in the Senate race in Ohio, in the courts against big tech oligarchs, and in schools around the

00:01:36.900 country. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:45.580 Welcome back to the show. My favorite comment yesterday from IdahoMan54, quoting Jim Morrison,

00:01:52.640 who says, I've noticed that when people are joking, they're usually dead serious. And when they're

00:01:57.740 dead serious, they're usually pretty funny. This is exactly how to look at what the left says. I

00:02:03.440 could not possibly agree more. You know what else is a joke? Going into the brick and mortar auto

00:02:09.340 parts store for your auto parts when you could go to rockauto.com. Rockauto.com is so much easier

00:02:14.400 than walking into a store and someone demanding quick answers to things like, hey, is your Odyssey

00:02:18.540 an LX or an EX? And then they usually just have to order the part online, probably from rockauto.com.

00:02:24.680 And then you've got to wait and wait and spend and spend probably twice as much. It's just,

00:02:30.760 it's pathetic. It's seriously, when you could just go to rockauto.com, a family company got the lowest 0.98

00:02:36.800 prices possible. They don't change their prices according to all these stupid gimmicks. You know, 1.00

00:02:40.640 Tuesday afternoon, that's when you have to order your fuel pump assembly. No, I don't think so.

00:02:45.540 Reliably low prices, the same prices for pros such as myself and do-it-yourselfers such as you. And

00:02:50.680 the catalog is so simple to navigate, even I can do it. It's very, very impressive. You can choose

00:02:56.040 all the parts available for your vehicle. You can choose the brands, the specs, whatever you want.

00:03:01.600 Go to rockauto.com right now, see all the parts available for your car or truck. And then write

00:03:07.120 Knowles, K-N-A-W-L-E-S in their, how did you hear about us box? So they know that we sent you.

00:03:12.300 Dr. Fauci says, get over your political views and just save your life. You take the vax,

00:03:21.260 just even if you've already had the virus, by the way, even if you're, you already have immunity,

00:03:25.260 even if you're in one of the many demographic groups that faces an infinitesimally small

00:03:30.880 serious risk from coronavirus, you've got to save your life by taking the experimental drug.

00:03:36.500 That has had some questions raised about it, even by the CDC, some questions, especially when it's

00:03:43.340 being taken by young people, just get over it. This is what progressivism does. Under progressivism, 0.97

00:03:52.460 everything becomes political except for politics, which is depoliticized. Your sneakers become political.

00:03:59.520 Your choice of sandwich becomes political. The sports you watch become political,

00:04:04.960 political, but politics is taken out of your control. The people lose their political power

00:04:11.180 because all that power goes to egghead technocrats like Dr. Fauci, unaccountable to the American people.

00:04:17.000 Presidents come and go since Ronald Reagan, but Dr. Fauci remains. He will outlive us all,

00:04:22.280 have no doubt about that. I think we, we do have a political objection. I think we ought to have a

00:04:28.600 political say, not just a personal say, which I think is fair enough. People saying, look, I'm assessing

00:04:35.560 my own risk. I'm assessing the demands that are being made of me by my school, by my community,

00:04:40.420 by my work or whatever. And I'm going to make a prudential judgment. If I think that I'm really

00:04:44.600 at risk from taking this vaccine, I'm going to avoid it. If I think it's kind of up in the air,

00:04:48.540 whatever, I, maybe I'll take it. And if I really want to take the vaccine because I'm in some at risk

00:04:53.040 category, okay, I'll take that too. That would be a personal judgment, but I'm saying we also

00:04:57.720 have the political right to say, no, you little jerk. You don't get to force all of us to take 0.99

00:05:04.600 this experimental drug and you're not going to go door to door to do it. The, the former head

00:05:09.820 of Planned Parenthood, Dr. Liana Nguyen just came out with a column in the Washington Post

00:05:16.080 describing the political aspect of vaccination. And I think some conservatives are not taking the

00:05:21.400 political aspect seriously enough. They're saying, look, it's my, my, my body, my choice is actually

00:05:26.460 what a lot of conservatives are saying. And ironically, the former head of Planned Parenthood

00:05:30.620 is saying the opposite. She's saying it's your body, but it's not your choice. She says, quote,

00:05:35.160 vaccination is not just an individual decision, but one that affects the health of others.

00:05:42.920 You don't say, now, how can we apply this logic to say other aspects of our public policy,

00:05:49.700 like the million babies a year killed through abortion?

00:05:54.320 Obviously there is some hypocrisy going around. I think there is hypocrisy

00:05:58.060 on the part of the left here. I think there's hypocrisy on the part of Liana Nguyen, 0.99

00:06:03.720 but I don't think it's exactly hypocrisy on the part of conservatives. So the reason it's hypocrisy

00:06:08.660 on the part of Liana Nguyen is that abortion directly involves two people. It involves the mother 1.00

00:06:13.780 and involves the baby and the mother kills the baby. That's, that's what abortion is, right? 0.82

00:06:18.680 Or in the case of forced abortion, as happens in China, you've got doctors killing the babies 0.69

00:06:23.620 against their, their mother's will. Okay. Well, that's not good. That, that, and now to say,

00:06:29.120 well, look, because your vaccination will in a less direct way affect other people in your community

00:06:35.960 or around the state or even around the country, that's why you shouldn't really have a say on what

00:06:40.120 goes into your body. That is preposterous. But for the conservatives here who say you should not

00:06:45.500 kill babies, but you also shouldn't make me get vaccinated. The, I don't think the issue here is

00:06:51.360 so much individual liberty or, or the question of whether or not the state has any right to

00:06:57.780 encourage vaccinations in any cases. I think we're going to get caught in a trap here. If we think

00:07:03.260 about this only through the lens of my body, my choice, like the flawed logic of abortion. I don't

00:07:08.160 think, I think we're gonna get caught in a trap if we think of it just as a matter of maximizing

00:07:11.560 individual autonomy. I think we need to invoke some conservative virtues here, namely common

00:07:17.680 sense and prudence. If this were medieval Europe and the bubonic plague, the black death were killing 1.00

00:07:26.280 off huge portions of the population and there were no way to treat it. And there were very few

00:07:31.400 precautions people could take. And then suddenly there was the black death vaccine that came out 0.71

00:07:35.600 and it was kind of experimental, but it was relatively effective at stopping the plague.

00:07:40.360 Then I think the state or the feudal kingdoms or whatever would have a pretty good argument for

00:07:47.480 encouraging people to take the vaccine. But COVID ain't the plague. As we know, thankfully we should

00:07:55.180 all be very happy. COVID is not nearly as deadly as many people told us that it was early on during the

00:08:03.260 epidemic. Not even close. And for many demographic groups, other than the very older people who are 0.90

00:08:09.080 quite ill, who have a lot of comorbidities, it's not particularly fatal at all. And in young people,

00:08:15.860 they face very, very, very little risk of any serious complications. So that's going to be a

00:08:22.580 different calculation then. It's not, it's not as clear. It's not an ideology in five bullet points

00:08:28.820 written on a napkin. In all cases, the government has the right to tell you to get the vaccine.

00:08:32.800 In all cases, the government has no right to ever tell you. It's not that simple.

00:08:37.140 Shallows are clear. As my friend, Father George Rutler says quite a lot. Shallows are clear.

00:08:42.700 Profound things are a little murky. They're a little more complicated.

00:08:46.480 And so I think in this, conservatives are going to be much more successful if we make arguments from

00:08:50.280 common sense, from prudence, looking at the details of what this virus actually is and whether

00:08:54.540 this warrants government thugs going door to door, trying to jab your kids who face a very,

00:08:59.840 very, very, very, very, very, very little risk from this. By the way, by the way,

00:09:04.680 you remember the story in Ohio, this was a few weeks ago now, that Ohio was trying to encourage

00:09:10.380 everyone to get vaccinated. And so they created a vaccine lottery. There are other, other states and

00:09:16.060 cities did this sort of thing where they would, they would say, if you get vaccinated, we'll give

00:09:19.500 you a cheeseburger. One of the most disgusting scenes in politics was Bill de Blasio stuffing his face 0.67

00:09:25.900 with cheeseburgers and French fries. Mm, yes, I eat, I get the vaccine. I get fries. Yes, you slop,

00:09:31.740 you swine, you pigs. You, don't you want your feed bags? Get the vaccine. Which raised the 1.00

00:09:37.880 question, if you need to bribe people with a million dollars to get this vaccine, maybe it's

00:09:42.180 not that desirable. Maybe this virus is not as bad as everyone told us it was, since people are just

00:09:46.940 not interested in getting it. But we were told the vaccine lottery, this was a huge success.

00:09:52.700 Well, there's a study out now that says it just, it just wasn't. Right. Ohioans who got the vaccine

00:10:01.080 were entered to win a million bucks and children who got the vaccine were entered to win a full

00:10:05.620 ride scholarship to one of Ohio's state universities. This new study says the lottery did not increase

00:10:12.680 the state's vaccination rate any more than states that did not offer a similar lottery. This according

00:10:17.660 to Boston University's School of Medicine, I'm very pleased to see this. This, this will be a big

00:10:22.780 shock to Dr. Fauci and all the other eggheads who think that they're so much better than all the

00:10:27.680 American people and who think that they can boss us around and tell us what to do without any 1.00

00:10:32.420 particular constitutional authority to do that, without any particular accountability to the people.

00:10:38.720 The premise of the vaccine lottery and of Mayor de Bolshevik in New York stuffing his face and trying to get 0.51

00:10:44.820 you to take a jab for a cheeseburger. The idea was that we are such appetitive little creatures

00:10:53.060 that if you, if you just dangle a little candy in front of our face, we'll do whatever you tell us to

00:10:59.700 do. But it turns out we're a little more serious than that. We're a little more human. We're a little

00:11:04.440 more rational than that. And we think we have faculties of reason, you know, the prerequisites of

00:11:10.200 self-government. You can't just, I think the ruling elite want to be able to rule us with a

00:11:16.360 very elaborate system, sometimes a little bit of a simple system of sticks and carrots. You get the

00:11:24.100 stick if you don't do what we tell you to do, and you get that delicious little carrots just if you

00:11:27.180 keep running toward the goal that we set for you. But that's not quite how it works. It turns out

00:11:31.540 the American people still possess some common sense, can still think for themselves, and are not 0.99

00:11:37.800 merely base desires and passions and appetites that can be manipulated at will, much to the chagrin

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00:13:07.480 that is coming up. It's not the conservatism of the past 20 years or so. The cut taxes and let the

00:13:14.700 left rule the culture conservatism. The throw your hands up in the air and refuse to assert a political

00:13:22.520 vision conservatism. The drag queen story hour is no worse than going to church on Sunday 0.99

00:13:28.140 conservatism. I think that kind of silly court jester conservatism, I think that is kind of dead. 0.96

00:13:35.400 I think a new, more assertive, more confident, more virtue oriented, more substantive conservatism

00:13:43.080 is on the way up. And J.D. Vance, who's running for Senate in Ohio, is trying to channel that.

00:13:50.580 J.D. Vance is the author of Hillbilly Elegy. It was a very popular book a few years ago.

00:13:55.640 It became popular because it supposedly explained the kinds of deplorable people who voted for Donald

00:14:00.900 Trump, for instance. And I'm not really making any point about J.D. Vance as a candidate right now.

00:14:07.540 He's held lots of different views over the years. And so I'm not, this is neither an endorsement or a

00:14:12.780 criticism of him. But I do think that he can tell which way the wind is blowing. And he is very much

00:14:18.420 channeling in more what you would call populist conservatism, a more worker oriented conservatism,

00:14:24.680 a more national conservatism. And one of the things he's calling for is term limits for the people

00:14:32.100 who have been in government for a very, very long time. What about term limits? Would you be for term

00:14:37.700 limits, J.D.? Yes, certainly. I mean, we definitely just got to get better people in there, which is why

00:14:42.020 I'll put in another plug for J.D. Vance dot com. I mean, look, what what we have right now is a

00:14:47.240 geriatric ruling class in our business community, but especially in our government community that 0.98

00:14:52.780 doesn't even understand the companies that have become ultimately more powerful than the U.S.

00:14:56.680 government. I mean, we saw after January 6th, a sitting duly elected president United States was

00:15:01.740 kicked off of Twitter, kicked off of Facebook. And it's like our congressmen, our senators had no idea

00:15:06.720 what to do about this. It's because we've given these companies too much power. And we need to get

00:15:11.580 people in our Congress who understand these companies and can actually fight back against

00:15:15.780 them. So I love his point on the companies. He's he's right. He's describing what Mitch McConnell

00:15:21.220 called the woke parallel government and that Republicans are largely responsible for because

00:15:26.160 while the left focused on social deregulation, the right focused on economic deregulation and

00:15:31.300 the effect of that has been to empower woke corporations that have very little loyalty to

00:15:34.980 our own country and that hate our way of life. And that's a very bad thing. I don't I don't like

00:15:39.240 it when Google takes away my rights and upends my society any more than I like when the government

00:15:44.900 does. So good stuff. But I disagree with him on term limits. I understand term limits. It's a complex

00:15:51.300 question. There are people on both sides of it. I think generally it's a bad idea because term limits

00:15:56.980 do not take away power from the government. Term limits do not fundamentally alter the relationship

00:16:04.900 of the citizen and the community to the state. All they do is empower staff members and lobbyists.

00:16:13.320 Someone is going to rule the the total amount of power in the federal government is not going to

00:16:19.760 change. So when you enact term limits, what you're doing is reducing the power held by the elected

00:16:24.400 officials and then just shifting it to the lobbyists or the permanent staff members on Capitol Hill

00:16:31.400 or the administrative agencies, even more so than they already are empowered. So it seems to I

00:16:36.340 understand the impulse to do it, but I think it's it's kind of misguided. And I hope hope JD changes

00:16:42.260 his views on that because I do that he is channeling the right kind of conservatism, but it's a it's a

00:16:47.140 little nebulous right now. It's a little bit up in the air. These are the things that people care

00:16:51.440 about that they care about their jobs. They care about their local communities. They care about their way of

00:16:57.300 life and they want to make sure that some zillionaire head of a multinational doesn't take all those

00:17:01.980 things away from them. One thing that that people do not care about, and this has become clear over

00:17:07.420 the past five, 10 years, is fighting wars overseas for dubious purposes. What do we do when you think

00:17:15.240 about the war in Afghanistan, which has gone on now, what, 20 years? I don't think it's a partisan issue

00:17:22.600 exactly. And I think the State Department basically wants us to be there. I think the

00:17:26.220 liberal empire wants us to continue to have these little wars of empire. But I don't think it's a

00:17:32.460 Republican issue. I think a lot of Republicans want to get out of Afghanistan. Trump ran in 2016

00:17:36.260 on getting out of the Middle East because he said they were just big flops. They were crazy wars and

00:17:40.340 it was a big mistake of George W. Bush. Same kind of arguments that Democrats were making before that,

00:17:46.080 although even Barack Obama, for instance, runs for office on how Iraq was a terrible idea,

00:17:51.260 but he didn't want to be seen as a weakling. So then he decided that Afghanistan was the good war. 0.97

00:17:55.660 So he pulls out of Iraq to some degree and then he restarts the war in Afghanistan that had basically

00:18:01.800 been winding down because he needed to have a good war. So Joe Biden right now is seeing which way the

00:18:07.960 political winds are blowing and he is calling to draw down and pull out of Afghanistan, a continuation

00:18:12.180 of what Trump was trying to do. And Jen Psaki was asked about this. He said, so what were we doing?

00:18:17.540 Did we win? What's the goal? What are we doing in Afghanistan? And Jen Psaki cannot say that we

00:18:25.640 declare victory. In terms of plans for the end for our men and women coming back, I don't have

00:18:32.740 anything to preview, but we're not going to have a mission accomplished moment in this regard. It's a

00:18:37.460 20-year war that has not been won militarily. We are proud of the men and women who have served,

00:18:45.040 incredibly grateful. The president will note that in his remarks today, how grateful he is for

00:18:50.100 their service and the families who have sacrificed over the last 20 years. And we will continue to

00:18:57.220 press for a political outcome and a political solution. But beyond that, I think we're going

00:19:02.580 to continue to look for ways to communicate why we make the choices we make. You mentioned mission

00:19:07.460 accomplished. Has this mission not been accomplished? Well, I would say we did exactly what we wanted to

00:19:12.840 do. What I was referring to, Jeff, is we're not having a moment of celebration. We're having a

00:19:19.400 moment where we feel it's in our national security interest to bring our men and women serving home.

00:19:24.540 Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. I got it. I got it at the first part when you said, look, this has been a

00:19:30.760 20-year war. It's a complex war and there's not going to be a mission accomplished moment like George W.

00:19:35.840 Bush had with Iraq before we realized that mission had not been accomplished yet.

00:19:40.180 But then you said, wait, the mission has been accomplished. We did what we set out to do.

00:19:46.340 What was that? What did we set out to do? If what we set out to do was kill Osama bin Laden,

00:19:53.040 then I guess that mission was accomplished. But then what were we staying there for afterward?

00:19:57.520 If the mission was to defeat terrorists in, well, terrorism really sprung up in Iraq and Syria,

00:20:03.680 right, with the rise of ISIS. So what was going on in Afghanistan? If the mission was to get rid of

00:20:09.040 the Taliban, that just didn't work because the Taliban are coming back in. What was the mission? 0.83

00:20:15.900 The mission was whatever the foreign policy establishment wanted at the time. The mission

00:20:20.560 was whatever the State Department wanted at the time. I think the American people are just as

00:20:25.060 confused about this sort of thing as Jen Psaki appears to be. And that is a big problem. I think

00:20:31.780 we've got to be much clearer. When, when, when Dr. Fauci says, get over it, get over your political

00:20:38.940 objections. Having the government force you all to get a vaccine is not political. Good grief. He just,

00:20:47.400 he has this progressive conception of the political, which is so, so desiccated.

00:20:52.480 A public act such as mass government compelled vaccination is by definition a political act.

00:21:01.820 But he just, when, when he says it's not political, what he's saying is you have no right to have an

00:21:04.900 opinion about it. And for too long, that has been not just the case in public health. It's been true

00:21:10.620 in foreign policy. That's been true in trade policy. You're just not allowed to have an opinion.

00:21:15.420 You're not, you're just not one of the smart people. You don't get it. These trade deals that are

00:21:19.100 going to hollow out the manufacturing in America. They're, they're like obviously true. They're the

00:21:23.780 best. Okay. And you have no right to question that. You're just a deplorable, irredeemable

00:21:28.480 idiot. You owe these, you, you're questioning the wars overseas. You just don't get it. You just don't 1.00

00:21:34.080 leave it to the experts. Okay. Leave it to the state department. Leave it to Dr. Fauci. Leave it to

00:21:39.280 the administrative state. Leave it to the trade negotiators. Leave it to the WTO. Leave it to,

00:21:45.340 leave it to everyone, but you get over self-government. That's what they're telling you to do.

00:21:49.800 I don't want to get over self-government. Although our elected leaders are not exactly

00:21:53.640 instilling confidence. Joe Biden tried to answer some questions about what was going on in Afghanistan.

00:21:58.960 Didn't go well. For the release of detained Americans, including, uh, Mark, uh, excuse me,

00:22:06.500 Ferris. I want to pronounce the name correctly. I miss, I misspoke. And this, uh, starting this month,

00:22:13.820 we're going to begin to re re reloc. We're going to begin relocation flights for Afghanistan SIV

00:22:19.960 applicants. Uh, half have gotten on aircraft and come commercial flights and come and other half

00:22:25.880 believe they want to stay. We went for two reasons. One to

00:22:33.100 bring Osama bin Laden to the gates of hell. As I said at the time,

00:22:44.520 I'm not even going to make fun of this. This is extremely sad and pathetic. And the man is 0.99

00:22:49.360 obviously not up to being president. And this is probably why the establishment just continues

00:22:54.040 to rule and rule. It's why Joe Biden refers to they all the time. Well, they told me to say this.

00:22:59.300 They didn't let me say this. They don't want me to do that. The man clearly cannot do the job.

00:23:08.140 While Joe Biden flounders, while Joe Biden struggles to say things, to articulate things,

00:23:13.060 to understand what is going on in his government, Donald Trump appears to have something of a laser

00:23:19.360 focus on the, the issues that really matter beyond wars overseas, beyond trade, beyond even immigration,

00:23:25.520 free speech. Topic near and dear to my heart, as you well know. Donald Trump, after announcing his

00:23:33.380 lawsuit against the big tech companies whom he is suing for deplatforming and censoring him,

00:23:40.040 he has an op-ed in the wall street journal outlining the lawsuit. Why I'm suing big tech

00:23:45.340 subheader. If Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube can censor me, they can censor you. And believe me,

00:23:50.400 they are. I really like this column. I think people who are making fun of this lawsuit

00:23:57.180 are pretty misguided here. I think they have the same, same sort of attitude about politics that

00:24:03.180 Dr. Fauci does. Just get over it. Get over it. Build your own Facebook, you twerps. Build your,

00:24:08.940 you proles, you peasants. Here's what President Trump says in the column. Perhaps most egregious in

00:24:14.840 the weeks after the election, big tech blocked the social media accounts of the sitting president.

00:24:18.440 If they can do it to me, they can do it to you. Believe me, they are. At the end of the column,

00:24:23.300 the Supreme Court has held that Congress can't use private actors to achieve what the Constitution

00:24:29.140 prohibits it from doing itself. In effect, big tech has been illegally deputized as the censorship

00:24:36.620 arm of the U.S. government. This should alarm you no matter your political persuasion. It is

00:24:41.800 unacceptable, unlawful, and un-American. So the argument that Trump is making is that his First

00:24:46.900 Amendment rights were violated. But Michael, you say, private corporations can't violate a First

00:24:53.320 Amendment right. That's just an issue for the government. Right. The argument that Trump is

00:24:56.580 making is that these private corporations aren't really so private, that they're actually part of

00:25:01.080 what I would call the blob, that they work in tandem with the government, with the liberal

00:25:05.680 establishment, and that they act on the government's bidding explicitly or implicitly. When the government,

00:25:13.380 when the Democrats are threatening to impose penalties on big tech, if they don't rein in some

00:25:21.780 of the speech of conservatives, including the duly elected sitting president, big tech might then act

00:25:27.480 on January 7th or January 8th of 2021. Eugene Volokh, very serious lawyer, a very good commentator on

00:25:34.740 these legal issues. He thinks that this argument might have a chance, but it's a big if, if they can

00:25:40.040 prove that the government is in, is in any way really pressuring the companies to do this sort

00:25:44.240 of thing. Fair enough. I do think, however, that the issue here is much bigger than just this

00:25:49.740 very narrow legal issue of did the government pressure the corporations to, to take away Trump's

00:25:56.560 platform. I think the issue is who controls speech? Who controls speech? Even if the government

00:26:04.200 didn't pressure these private corporations, if the private corporations control 90% of the flow of

00:26:08.680 information around the internet, which is the public square, which then will decide how we govern

00:26:13.940 ourselves because speech is politics in a republic. If they are doing that, that alone is reason to use

00:26:20.440 our political power to break them up. I asked Bill Barr about this when I got to meet him back when he

00:26:25.260 was attorney general. I said, what should we do on big tech? He said there were three ways to attack

00:26:28.840 big tech. Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, which we've talked about quite a lot.

00:26:33.260 Fraud. They amassed their critical mass through fraud by telling you you could, you could get

00:26:39.060 information from people you follow when actually often you can't. And antitrust, that we just need

00:26:45.300 to update our antitrust laws, that these companies are operating in a monopolistic way. I said, which

00:26:50.140 one should people pursue? And he said, all of the above. Yes, just do it. Just do it. That's a huge

00:26:55.160 threat. So what Donald Trump is doing here, and he's doing it in a somewhat narrow way. I think we need to do

00:26:59.840 it in an even more assertive way, is reasserting our political rights, reasserting an authentically

00:27:09.380 political sphere in this progressive world that has taken politics away from the people. Where Dr.

00:27:16.800 Fauci says, get over it. Get over your politics. Trump says, I'm not going to get over it.

00:27:22.520 I'm not going to get over it on your public health measures. I'm not going to get over it on your free

00:27:27.020 speech measures. I'm not going to get over it on anything. I am going to keep my political rights

00:27:32.200 and my political power. It's un-American for you to take that away from me. Speaking of un-American,

00:27:38.340 by the way, I have to touch on this story. You remember a few weeks ago, there was a big hubbub

00:27:44.280 because the University of North Carolina had not offered tenure to Nicole Hannah-Jones. Nicole Hannah-Jones

00:27:51.560 is the fabulist behind the 1619 project at the New York Times. She was completely unqualified to hold

00:27:58.120 a tenured professorship at that school. She doesn't have a PhD, first of all. It's very strange to have

00:28:03.140 tenured professors without PhDs. She's won a lot of fancy awards from the liberal establishment, 0.98

00:28:08.480 like the Pulitzer Prize for essays, an essay that had its central thesis as a lie, the lie that the

00:28:16.120 American Revolution was fought to defend slavery. No serious historian defends that assertion.

00:28:21.260 She won the MacArthur Genius grant, also undeservedly, but she simply was not qualified

00:28:28.580 to be this professor. Then there was political backlash. Then UNC offered her the tenured

00:28:33.340 professorship, which is really pathetic and reflects poorly on the school. But then the best outcome 0.90

00:28:38.240 happened. Nicole Hannah-Jones turned it down, and she took a professorship at Howard University.

00:28:44.000 She's also unqualified to teach there, but neither here nor there. But I love it. I love that this

00:28:50.080 weak, simpering, pathetic UNC, which used to be considered a pretty good school, they stood up for 0.99

00:28:59.520 something. Then they couldn't withstand the public pressure from the liberal establishment. Then they 0.98

00:29:03.780 caved, and they got a lot of egg in their face. According to a Rasmussen report out today,

00:29:09.840 78% of voters believe that it is at least somewhat important for schools to teach the traditional

00:29:16.940 values of Western civilization. 52% believe it is very important, so the majority think it's very

00:29:21.740 important. Only 14% of voters do not think that teaching traditional Western values is important,

00:29:26.920 and only 4% say it's not important at all. So what people want their kids to be taught in schools

00:29:32.000 is the West. They want to be taught classical education. Now, unfortunately, what the left has

00:29:40.480 been defending for a long time is the antithesis of Western education, namely BLM. BLM sets itself up

00:29:47.380 explicitly on its About Us page as opposing, for instance, the Western-prescribed nuclear family.

00:29:53.420 The BLM sets itself out on its About page that it has since deleted as a very radical organization.

00:29:59.560 The founders of it described themselves as trained Marxists. So Democrats had defended that for a

00:30:05.040 long time. Now they seem to be running away from the extremes. Chris Cuomo is now doing a total

00:30:09.840 About face. He's saying he never supported BLM violence. What good is it to have a mouth that says

00:30:15.700 blue lives matter if you're going to have hands and feet that do this? Around 140 officers assaulted,

00:30:23.100 some very badly. This is the truth. Period. It is no less the truth because Black Lives Matter supporters 0.99

00:30:33.040 committed acts of violence too. Even if you want to believe that the media was okay with what they did,

00:30:41.380 which sure as hell isn't true on this show. But even if you want to say they were, it doesn't change

00:30:47.780 this and be clear. What happened on January 6th has no equal in terms of what and who was targeted

00:30:58.620 and how. And you know it. It sure as hell didn't happen on this. No one defended Black Lives Matter

00:31:06.640 on this show and all the violence that they engaged with. Right? Right? Roll the tape.

00:31:10.500 Now too many see the protests as the problem. No, the problem is what forced your fellow citizens

00:31:17.600 to take to the streets. Persistent and poisonous inequities and injustice. And please show me

00:31:24.920 where it says that protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful. Please show me. So Chris Cuomo

00:31:29.800 himself was defending violent BLM riots. Now he's realizing, gosh, that doesn't, that's not playing

00:31:35.160 very well. And I want to accuse the right of being violent. So yeah, okay, we're going to pull that

00:31:40.000 back. They're realizing that the extremes are very tough here. They're realizing that people are

00:31:45.200 asserting their political rights again. Continue to assert those political rights. That's a good

00:31:49.280 thing. These, these eggheads, these technocrats, these liberal establishmentarians don't want you

00:31:53.800 to do it, which should make us readier all the more. By the way, Ben today is going to be talking

00:31:58.900 about a very important political issue, your yoga pants. So make sure you go check out Ben's show

00:32:03.800 today. Also really appreciate all of you who made Speechless the number one bestselling book in the

00:32:11.780 country heading into the 4th of July weekend. This, according to Publishers Weekly's list of

00:32:17.320 bestsellers, a Publishers Weekly list directly tied to book sales around the country. Brick and mortar

00:32:23.780 online, no bulk sales, none of that sort of stuff. We sold an unprecedented amount of books since then.

00:32:31.000 And I think a lot of this is because the New York Times snubbed us. The New York Times,

00:32:36.300 New York Times has done this to conservatives before, but it's never been this blatant. It's

00:32:41.360 never been this egregious just by the numbers. Speechless should have been number one on the

00:32:46.420 New York Times bestseller list. But the New York Times admitted some years ago in a court case

00:32:49.560 that the bestseller list is not actually a bestseller list. The bestseller list for the New York

00:32:55.000 Times is an editorial product. And so if they don't like a book, they won't permit it on there.

00:32:59.680 So occasionally they'll allow a book by a conservative author on. Right now they have

00:33:03.460 Bill O'Reilly's book on. But you'll notice Bill O'Reilly's book, it's not a political book. It's

00:33:07.600 just kind of a history book. It's about the mob. So they'll let that on. They tend not to permit

00:33:12.240 books onto the list that actually threaten what they're trying to do, that actually threaten the

00:33:16.920 narrative. So I'm really honored that they snubbed it. And I think it is a good blurb for the book.

00:33:23.600 We actually put it on the cover. It says number one national bestseller snubbed by the New York

00:33:26.520 Times. So I really appreciate all of you who went out there and got it. If you haven't gotten it

00:33:29.800 already, go do it. And we'll be right back with the mailbag.

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00:34:21.580 Welcome back to the show. Now is my favorite time of the week, the mailbag. First question from

00:34:27.540 Camille. Hey, Michael. I'm a single woman in my mid-twenties in the dating world and have a

00:34:32.340 question. My mom and men and women from older generations always talk about how women hold 1.00

00:34:36.800 the power in relationships and dating. But to me, it seems like that power balance has shifted since

00:34:41.500 our culture has changed. More women are likely to sleep around with guys that they aren't in a 1.00

00:34:46.000 relationship with because society is preaching sex positivity. And this gives away a lot of the

00:34:50.620 power. This type of culture allows more and more guys to remain single because it's easy to get

00:34:54.600 what they want from girls. And they are reluctant to put in the effort for a girl who would make them 1.00

00:34:59.600 wait. I know your opinion on waiting for marriage, but what are your thoughts on the concept of the

00:35:04.600 power women have? And if you agree that it has shifted more toward men, sincerely, who runs the

00:35:09.040 world? No, seriously, who? Who? A reference to my cousin, Beyonce. You're totally right. Your

00:35:15.360 intuition is right. Older generations would think that women hold the power because women 1.00

00:35:19.880 withheld something that men really, really wanted until they got something out of it.

00:35:25.140 And then feminism convinced them to give up their leverage in romantic relationships. And that has 1.00

00:35:30.640 led to misery for women and has led to some physical pleasure for men, but I think probably 0.97

00:35:36.020 ultimately misery for men as well. And certainly that power dynamic has shifted dramatically, even now to

00:35:41.500 the point that some women who don't want to have sex before marriage will feel really pressured to do

00:35:47.620 that because they don't think that they'll be able to hold on to a guy because a guy can just move on to

00:35:52.000 any chicky he wants and get exactly what he desires. So yeah, that's a very big problem. 1.00

00:36:00.840 I am noticing a little bit of a shift when you look at young conservatives, and I don't mean

00:36:06.160 millennials. Somehow we always refer to millennials as the youngest generation. We're going to be 60 and

00:36:09.900 they're going to say, oh, you young millennials. But Gen Z, for instance, a lot of the memes coming

00:36:15.960 out of Gen Z, a lot of the arguments you hear from politically astute Gen Zers is that they don't 1.00

00:36:23.300 just want promiscuous sex, that they don't just want to look at porn all the time and move on girl 0.97

00:36:26.920 to girl to girl and swipe culture. They actually want a serious relationship. They want to get married. 0.99

00:36:33.600 They want to have a family. They want to have kids. That would be the way to stand to thwart history

00:36:37.580 yelling stop. The progressive march toward this drugged up, promiscuous, sex crazed culture would 0.99

00:36:46.020 be to say no to that. So find one of those guys. I think the trads, as they are called, are having 0.99

00:36:55.460 a real ascendancy right now. But the power has shifted. And so there's no denying that.

00:37:01.860 You are at a disadvantage. But I wouldn't be discouraged by that. I would stand for virtue

00:37:09.700 if you are so inclined to do that. Because I think ultimately that will be more gratifying,

00:37:14.240 even if it's a little tougher in the dating world right now. From Shelley, Michael, sweetheart. Thanks

00:37:18.500 for using my official title. I have recently had a disagreement with my husband. We are both

00:37:23.080 conservatives. And while he does not like it, he supports the burning of the American flag as free

00:37:27.020 speech. I told him that if I went into someone's home and burned a picture of them in front of their

00:37:31.220 family, as a symbol of the hatred I felt for them, that I would be at the very least arrested and

00:37:35.140 probably cast into the outer darkness where there's wailing and grinding of teeth. The flag is a symbol

00:37:39.340 of our American community. And the USA is our home. Burning a flag is not free speech. It is an act of

00:37:44.020 hatred and violence and terrorism against the American people and should be treated as such. Where that

00:37:48.360 ended the argument, he didn't seem entirely convinced. Do you have any additional arguments,

00:37:53.380 wisdom as to why the burning of our flag should not be considered free speech? And should the law have

00:37:56.920 consequences for those who take part in such acts? Yes. So for, for most of American history,

00:38:02.760 burning the American flag was not considered First Amendment protected free speech. There were laws

00:38:08.440 against this sort of thing. It was because it's an incoherent act. The flag is a symbol of the country.

00:38:14.720 And so if you assert your rights as an American to burn the symbol of America, that is an incoherent act,

00:38:21.720 right? And if you, if we do not have anything, any symbol that is sacred among us, if even the symbol

00:38:28.700 of the very country is not sacred, then nothing is sacred and nothing is binding us together. So that,

00:38:33.580 that was some of the argumentation for it. And if you just look at tradition, there were laws against

00:38:37.740 this sort of thing. And then the Supreme Court with the support of very conservative judges like

00:38:44.740 Antonin Scalia said, no, burning the flag is an expressive act. It is political speech. And therefore,

00:38:51.100 while it is odious, it is protected by the First Amendment. Scalia said, this is almost verbatim.

00:38:57.880 I'm only somewhat paraphrasing that if he were king, he would throw into jail every scruffy bearded 1.00

00:39:04.860 weirdo who burns the American flag, but he is not king. Now I am inclined to favor the, the arguments 0.83

00:39:12.540 from the other side of that Supreme Court case. I think William Rehnquist was on the other side of

00:39:15.940 that case where he just described the history of this, why this is a sort of unique symbol,

00:39:22.040 why this is not, not a protected speech. But regardless, we live where we are now. The court

00:39:27.680 has established this right, this First Amendment right to burn the American flag. I would favor 0.99

00:39:32.680 a constitutional amendment, I suppose is what you would need, or I would certainly favor some law

00:39:38.800 to criminalize it, to say, no, you really can't do this. There are limits to speech and we're not

00:39:45.580 going to do it. If, if you right now go out and burn a rainbow flag, you, you could be charged with 0.96

00:39:51.440 a hate crime. There was this case actually just came up some months ago where a guy ripped a rainbow

00:39:58.280 flag off of a church or something, some very, obviously very liberal church, and ripped it from

00:40:03.560 some private institution, burned it and was charged with a hate crime. Now the argument here was, well,

00:40:10.580 it was theft of property and then also a hate crime. One imagines if someone ripped an American

00:40:15.880 flag off of a building that wasn't his and burned it, he would not be charged with a hate crime. So

00:40:20.300 we do have sacred symbols in this country. We have sacred flags that you're really not allowed to

00:40:24.100 desecrate. It's just no longer the, it used to be the American flag and now it's the gay flag or the 1.00

00:40:28.820 progress flag or the BLM flag. Society will always have taboos, will always have standards, as I've,

00:40:34.820 as I've mentioned to you and I write about at length and speechless. So I just think we shouldn't

00:40:38.500 deny that. We shouldn't go nuts with this free speech absolutism that, that has really only led to

00:40:44.860 the erosion of traditional standards and the implementation of new leftist standards. We should

00:40:49.540 stand for something. And if you can't stand for the American flag, what can you stand for? From Nathan.

00:40:55.280 Hello, Michael. Thank you for all that you do. Congratulations on your new book. Thank you.

00:41:00.120 I was listening to your show and you talked about the death penalty. As a Christian,

00:41:03.560 does this go against the commandment thou shalt not kill? Or is this an exception as the people

00:41:07.460 receiving the death penalty have caused harm that cannot be punished enough? Thanks again.

00:41:11.560 It does not, it does not violate any Christian teaching to, to exercise the death penalty.

00:41:20.340 If a man sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed. It's not, not just true in the 0.92

00:41:28.620 book of Genesis. This is repeated throughout the Bible. And St. Paul himself writes that the

00:41:35.600 civil authority does not bear the sword in vain. That's as about as explicit as it gets throughout

00:41:41.300 history. The fathers and doctors of the church have rigorously defended the death penalty up to and

00:41:47.100 including St. Thomas Aquinas, one of the most brilliant men and most important doctors of the

00:41:51.280 church who ever lived. In recent years, some popes have suggested that as a practical matter,

00:41:59.280 the death penalty should not be practiced because while society has a right to defend itself today,

00:42:05.180 our criminal justice system is so great that we actually don't, don't really need to do it.

00:42:08.700 But recognize their guidance here is a prudential matter. It's not a principled matter. Even Pope

00:42:16.820 Francis, who seems extraordinarily opposed to the death penalty, he, even he could not change the

00:42:21.840 catechism to say that the death penalty is intrinsically evil because that would contradict

00:42:25.120 the Bible. That would contradict the New Testament, the Old Testament and the New Testament. It would

00:42:30.000 contradict the doctors of the church and he cannot do that. Powerful though he may be, he cannot do

00:42:34.220 that. Pope Benedict XVI said that Catholics may have a legitimate disagreement over the death

00:42:39.200 penalty. Pope John Paul II defended the death penalty in principle, though he, he did not really

00:42:43.480 defend it in practice. So yes, a Catholic certainly can, can defend the death penalty. There's no, 0.97

00:42:50.360 no issue there. And, and I do. I do, by the way, as a matter of justice, I think we're really skewing

00:42:57.560 our perception of, of justice if we do not defend that. Blessed Pope Pius IX not only defended the

00:43:04.080 death penalty. He carried them out in the papal states. And when he was asked for a reprieve

00:43:07.800 during the last execution of the papal states, he said, I cannot do it and I do not want to. So

00:43:13.500 pretty good to me. Good enough for blessed Pius IX. Good enough for me. Good enough for St. Paul.

00:43:18.900 Good enough for the book of Genesis. Good enough for me. From Marissa. Hey, Michael. Love the show.

00:43:23.280 Hope you can help answer a question that I have. I want to know if you believe in soulmates and what

00:43:29.560 is the Catholic take on that concept? I want to believe it's true, but it is hard, a hard concept to

00:43:33.980 grasp. Sincerely, a cynical, hopeless, romantic P.S. Careful with your answer because sweet little

00:43:39.320 Elisa may listen to today's episode. Well, no, it's, I'm glad you brought up sweet little Elisa.

00:43:43.700 I married my soulmate. No doubt about it. I, and not everyone gets to say that and I do. And that's,

00:43:49.240 isn't that great? But I will have a caveat here. I think I could have married maybe some other way. 0.69

00:43:57.780 I'm sure there are some other women out there that I could have married and had a perfectly fine life. 1.00

00:44:01.460 I think I have the best life I could possibly have. So if you want to call that soulmate and

00:44:05.280 sure, yeah, it makes sense to me. But I, I don't want to take this to such an extreme

00:44:10.540 that, that I say, you know, gosh, if it doesn't work out with your high school sweetheart or something,

00:44:15.100 then you're doomed to a life of misery. I don't think that's true because, because marriage is

00:44:19.700 not merely about that spark, that romantic love, but it is about, it's a real institution. It's a

00:44:24.220 sacrament. And so even, you know, I, I jump for joy in my marriage, but, but even people who don't,

00:44:30.960 even people who have tougher marriages, because it's a thing, because it's real, because it's not

00:44:35.520 just floating around in your head and it's not just about my feels, you know, it's because it's also

00:44:39.500 like about the things that you do and the way you behave and the thing you build together.

00:44:43.520 People can take even bad marriages, marriages where maybe you didn't marry your soulmate and,

00:44:47.740 and really make them into, to beautiful things. So yes, it's out there. There's, there's no question

00:44:54.040 that some people are better suited for you than others. And there's no question that providence

00:44:58.760 works in its own way. And there, there is a plan to, to the way that life unfolds.

00:45:06.480 But what you do matters as well. And, and if you are struggling in your marriage, you, there are

00:45:12.820 things that you can do to, to improve that. And if, even if you might seem a little incompatible,

00:45:17.740 it's not just about the subjective impulses that you both have. You can look toward objective

00:45:23.760 criteria and certain standards of behavior that, that will improve things. From Ian.

00:45:28.740 Hey, Michael, here is a question, which is sure to generate no controversy whatsoever.

00:45:34.400 What are your thoughts on the traditional Latin mass? Do you ever attend Latin masses or do you

00:45:38.160 stick to the Novus Ordo? That is the, the new mass in, in, invented by Vatican II. So happy you

00:45:44.880 published a book with words in it, Ian. Thank you very much. Yes, I, uh,

00:45:47.300 almost exclusively attend the Latin mass, the traditional Latin mass. If you haven't been to

00:45:51.620 one, especially if you're Catholic, I strongly recommend you find one. Society of, uh, or the

00:45:55.820 Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter does them. That one's very, uh, wonderful organization. Uh, the

00:46:01.160 Norbertines tend to do Latin masses. You'll, you'll, you'll, you might be able to find one in your 0.57

00:46:04.600 diocese, uh, or a reverent Novus Ordo. So the, the new mass, but maybe with the price, priest

00:46:09.680 facing the altar, maybe with a little Latin, a little chanting that, that will be good too.

00:46:12.920 So, uh, I think that sadly the liturgy after Vatican II, after the Second Vatican Council

00:46:19.980 in the 60s, really, really became hollowed out and, and is, is, uh, so much of the, the

00:46:26.080 beauty and therefore so much of the sense of truth and goodness that was in that, that

00:46:31.240 gorgeous liturgy was booted out in favor of sappy 70s power ballads on acoustic guitars,

00:46:37.100 you know, that, that often involve heresy. So I just, I would strongly recommend, strongly

00:46:41.560 recommend, as you can tell, attending a Latin mass, even if you're not Catholic, by the

00:46:44.920 way. Even if you have real problems or you think you have real problems with Catholic

00:46:50.220 theology and the Catholic church, if you are a Protestant of any sort of denomination, you

00:46:55.640 should attend a Latin mass just to know what you're talking about. I mean, this is the mass

00:46:59.200 that shaped Western civilization for centuries and centuries and centuries and centuries. And

00:47:05.220 you should know about that. You should be, that will enrich your own understanding, even

00:47:09.620 if you, you feel at the moment that you, you disapprove of, uh, Catholic theology. From

00:47:14.480 Max. Hey, Michael, as a man of history, I'd like to get your opinion on historical authenticity

00:47:19.600 in movies. Movies like Braveheart and The Patriot have been heavily criticized for their historical

00:47:23.880 inaccuracies, yet the movies themselves are very good. You know, it's funny, I was having

00:47:27.500 dinner last night with some friends and we were discussing how great The Patriot is. While

00:47:31.220 I understand the need to tell a story accurately, it seems unfair to hate a movie for inaccuracies,

00:47:36.100 especially when the movie is either historical fiction or merely based on a true story. What

00:47:40.540 are your thoughts? Thanks, I love the show. Deus vult. My man, means God wills it. It's

00:47:47.160 funny, with my friends, we were actually talking about Gladiator 2, which is another historical

00:47:51.340 movie with some historical inaccuracies. I think it's great. I think it's great. You need

00:47:57.240 narrative. The plays of Shakespeare are not entirely concerned with historical accuracy,

00:48:03.880 accuracy, okay? The highest works of art. Dante, not entirely concerned with historical accuracy,

00:48:10.800 highest work of art probably in the West. Of course, there can be artistic license here. The

00:48:16.240 left does it all the time, by the way. The left does it in that stupid Oliver Stone JFK movie, 1.00

00:48:20.580 that stupid movie about Dick Cheney, Vice. We never worry about that, but then whenever there is a 1.00

00:48:26.220 patriotic movie, whenever there's a movie that endorses a conservative point of view that has any

00:48:30.380 little tiny thing off, even, they say, oh, it's a worthless movie because it's historically

00:48:34.940 inaccurate. It's a work of art. Enjoy it as such. All right, that's our show. Enjoy some works of

00:48:39.300 art this weekend. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show. I'll see you on Monday.

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The Michael Knowles Show - July 09, 2021

Ep. 802 - Getting Over Self-Government

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