Ep. 83 - Terrible Performances, Oprah To Jake Tapper
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Hollywood's richest and most famous letchers, assailants, and enablers gathered at the Golden Globes as their city, industry, and reputations smoldered in ruin to lecture the rest of America on morality and demand even more millions of dollars to play pretend.
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Last night, Hollywood's richest and most famous letchers, assailants, and enablers gathered at
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the Golden Globes as their city, industry, and reputations smoldered in ruin to lecture the rest
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of America on morality and demand even more millions of dollars to play pretend. We will
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analyze the tone-deaf, oblivious preening. Then we'll dissect Stephen Miller's showdown
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with former journalist Jake Tapper in a documentary segment I call Jake Tapper Mean Girl.
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Finally, Daily Wire's Alicia Krauss and Ariel Davidson from The Federalist join the panel of
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deplorables to discuss Oprah 2020, the deportation of 200,000 Salvadorans. 200,000 Salvadorans, by the way,
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as the new 50 million Frenchmen. They can't be wrong, but they can be deported. And the psychiatric
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smears against our stable genius president. I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.
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I did it. I did it so that you don't have to, folks. I was 100% of the television audience last
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night for the Golden Globes, and this was really awful. I usually have to cover this stuff for the
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Daily Wire or the Andrew Klavan show or something. This was the worst, most insufferable awards show
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that I have ever seen. It was last night. You would expect after a year of Hollywood being ripped to
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shreds, all of them being exposed as enabling, corrupt, corrosive, sexually deviant monsters and
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hypocrites, you'd expect they might be a little repentant. They might be a little penitent and,
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you know, sorry, mea culpa, keep their mouths shut. Absolutely not. What they did,
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what they did was so brave last night. They wore, I don't know if you saw, there was a
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why we wear black. That was the hashtag. These people are so brave. They wore black clothing
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to a black tie event. That's a round of applause. Such, it brings a tear to my eye when I think they
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wore black to a formal event in the evening. It's just unbelievable. They didn't reform anything about
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their industry or their city, or they didn't even really apologize. They just, they wore black.
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Well done, everybody. It was so, so brave. It was really disingenuous too. There were all of these
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speeches and all of the red carpet and everything, but it all came off as disingenuous. Even
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Reese Witherspoon introduced Oprah Winfrey. She was winning a big prize, a big honorary award.
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And the whole performance was very saccharine. It was, and it wasn't believable. You would think that
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the best and most famous actors in the world would be believable at an industry event, but they
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weren't. Ironically, there were these terrible performances. I think the reason for that is they
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gave up their glamour. They gave up their claims to glamour. The only reason people watch these
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award shows is for the glitz and the glamour, and they're wearing a gazillion dollars of jewelry and
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gold and dresses and things like that. But they gave that away, and this has been going on for
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decades, but it's gotten much worse in the last 10 years. Now they just complain. They just whine
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and complain, and it takes all the glamour out of it. Here's Natalie Portman ruining Guillermo del
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Toro's first Best Director win after 25 years in the industry.
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To be here to present the award for Best Director.
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Here are the all-male nominees. Just totally sucked the air out of the moment. It would have
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been a glitzy, really nice moment. Why were no female directors nominated? Why were they no,
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why that's, that's, well, here's the reason, because very few women directed top-grossing films
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last year or the year before. There's one example of a really good film last year,
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one Best Picture, Lady Bird, but she didn't get a nomination, Greta Gerwig, for directing it.
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But this happened to Ben Affleck. It happened in 2012. Argo got Best Picture at the Oscars. He
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didn't get a nomination for Best Director. That sort of happens. Why are there so few women
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directors? I don't know. Only 7% of major films were directed by women in 2016. I think it was
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like 11% last year. Why is that? Well, until recently, many, many more men than women attended
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film school, particularly in the field of directing. That trend is still true at many film schools.
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It is, now there's a little bit more gender parity in film school graduates, although in the field of
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directing, not so. And we don't really know the numbers of applicants. We have every reason to
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believe that many, many more people are applying to be directors who are men than women. Why is that?
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Well, we, why would we expect gender parity in every profession? There are plenty of professions where
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we don't have gender parity. We don't say 50% of NASCAR drivers aren't women. This is an example of
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collusion or collusion of discrimination. I got in trouble on Twitter last night. I pointed this out
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that this random statistic is not in itself evidence of discrimination. You would have to show that.
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And I got all these angry tweets. This one actress, Evan Rachel Woods, is that her name? Yeah. Evan
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Rachel Wood, who's on Westworld. She tweeted at me very angrily and we had a respectful conversation.
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She, she couldn't answer the points that I was making. So she said, well, I'm finished with this
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conversation. And I said, okay. And then she blocked me because they can't engage with ideas
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here. It's all posturing. It's all virtue signaling. There is no actual, actually looking at the industry
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and the statistics. It's just little lapel buttons and let's wear black and look at how virtuous we are.
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order. Helixsleep.com slash Knowles. Now, into these Golden Globes, so that's the one aspect of it.
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There was all this virtue signaling on the issue of sexism and discrimination. But then in my
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conversation with that actress, Evan Rachel Wood, she was complaining that she doesn't make as much
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money as her co-stars on her television show. She didn't give us any statistics. Presumably,
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Anthony Hopkins is going to make more money than she does. He is one of the legendary actors of
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the last century. But regardless, she complains that she's not making enough money and yada, yada,
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yada. This actress is worth $8 million, according to a simple Google search. All of these people who
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are in this room at the Golden Globes are worth millions and millions of dollars, if not billions of
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dollars like Oprah Winfrey. So to have them get up there and complain that they're not making enough
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millions of dollars to pretend and play at pretending all day long, that doesn't play in
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Peoria. Nobody wants to watch that. Nobody has the right to direct a movie. No one has the right to
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direct a $50 million feature film or to act or to screenwrite. You don't have the right to have
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movies made just because you want to and you feel very special. You have to go in. If you don't think
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you're making enough money, negotiate. Fire your agent and get a better negotiator so that you can
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get a better deal. Nobody's watching this because you don't, the American people don't have to watch
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this. We don't have to watch you get up and shriek and scream and yell that you're not making enough
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money. We can just tune out. That's what most Americans did. The Golden Globes ratings fell again,
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even from last year. So it's down 5% overall and a whopping 11% in the key demographic of adults
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aged 18 to 49. This is a six-year low. It matches even as far back as 2012's results.
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So keep it up, folks. Take everybody for granted. Take your box office for granted. Take your audience
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for granted. Keep on politicizing. Once light-hearted entertainment, it worked so, so well for ESPN,
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didn't it? Is that even still a channel anymore? I don't know. Let's get into the Miller interviews.
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There was this big, famous interview over the weekend. It got a lot of play. White House aide
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Stephen Miller went on the television program of former journalist Jake Tapper. This is a segment
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that I will call Jake Tapper, Mean Girl. Stephen, take it away. I can only tell you my experience,
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which is that I joined the campaign in January of 16 before the first ballot was cast in the Iowa
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No. Corey Lewandowski is the one who offered me the job in the Trump campaign. But just to finish...
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Bannon wasn't trying... Bannon wasn't helping you? Bannon didn't help you get that job on the
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campaign? I think the person who probably helped me most get the job on the campaign
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was probably Corey. But the most important thing, because I've been working with Corey before I joined,
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to try and help out with the campaign. So it starts out, and Jake Tapper just keeps pushing,
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just keeps pushing a fact that obviously isn't true. So he's trying to tie Stephen Miller to
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Bannon. He's saying, Bannon got you the job. Let's not forget Stephen Miller was on the campaign
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before Steve Bannon. He predates him on the campaign. Now, could you say, does he know Steve
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Bannon? Did they work together? Yeah, I suppose so. You could just as easily say Stephen Miller got
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Steve Bannon his job when he came on the campaign. These people are all working together. But Tapper's got
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this agenda. And the tone that comes out from this interview, Stephen Miller comes off like a
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robot. You know, he is just there. He's stating the facts as he sees them. He's correcting some
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errors, the several errors that Jake Tapper is pushing. But Jake Tapper just comes off as like
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this glib little schoolgirl, like a catty little schoolgirl. He said, well, don't you? Didn't you
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do that? Don't you? He says, no, I didn't. He said, OK, he moves on. Let's move on to his next
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accusation. Did you write a letter outlining reasons to fire Comey and list the Russia investigation?
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Is that true? Here's the problem with what you're saying. The final draft of the letter,
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the one that was made. I'm not talking about that one. I'm talking about the one that Kobe
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has that mentions Russia. If you want to have an answer to your question and not to get hysterical,
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then I'll answer it. The final draft of the letter has the same line about the fact that there is a
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Trump-Russia investigation that this has nothing to do with. So it was just moved from the top to the
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bottom. No. He said, no, look at the letter. It's the beginning. The investigation is referenced
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in the beginning of the final letter that was released. It's like the huge embarrassment you
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had when you got the Comey testimony wrong. Stephen, I'm trying to get to the issue of the
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president's fitness, which a lot of people are questioning. I'm getting to the issue of your
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fitness. Stephen, Stephen, we don't want to talk about me. We can't talk about me at all.
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Jake Tapper has just gotten two major facts completely wrong, and he's been insisting on them and
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insisting on them throughout this interview. Well, you took out the Russia line. We didn't take out the
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Russia line. Well, you moved its placement. No, we didn't. The Russia line is still at the top of
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the memo. And then Stephen Miller points out, he says, you know, Jake, you keep getting things
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wrong here, and you keep trying to push a narrative, and it's a little weird, buddy. And all of a sudden,
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Jake Tapper cuts him off. That's the thing you get out of this interview, is Jake Tapper doesn't
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want his answers. He doesn't want to hear anything from him. He wants to cut him off and push a narrative.
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Stephen Miller points this out, and this, I think, is the central takeaway from the interview.
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Yeah. All these so-called political geniuses in Washington, whether it be at the big lobbying
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firms or many of the well-known folks in Congress. The only person who's called himself a genius in
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the last week is the president. Which happens to be a true statement. Okay.
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It's self-made billionaire who revolutionized reality TV and who has changed the course of
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our politics. And I'm sure he's watching and he's happy that you said that, but my question.
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No, no. You can be condescending. I'm not being condescending. I'm trying to get to the point
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that Steve Bannon. You can be condescending. That was a snide remark. You're sure he's watching
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and he's happy. Let me tell you something. Your network, you can, look, you can be as
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condescending as you want. It's part of your MO. But listen, the, you can have 24-7.
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I have no idea why you're attacking me. You can have, well, I'll explain to you.
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I'm not being condescending. I'm not being passive aggressive. How many, how many times
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has anyone ever said, I'm not being passive aggressive when they, when they weren't being
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very, very passive aggressive? This is, this is what is really sad about Jake Tapper. He used to,
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especially during the Obama years, he was a pretty tough journalist, played it straight.
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When a lot of the media were fawning over Barack Obama, he didn't do that. He just played it as a
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kind of straight faced guy going for the facts. And now he's this whiny, shallow, petulant little
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school girl who says, well, I'm sure your boss saw it. And he just saw what you said. And then,
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oh, he'll be so happy about that. But anyway, moving on, like, are you kidding me, buddy?
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That you're supposed to be the last newsman in America. Why are you getting these snide little
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barbs in this smug smarm? You don't need to do that. And by the way, Stephen Miller is,
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is a robot. He, you can get very unemotional answers out of him, but Jake Tapper himself can't
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refrain from being emotional in this interview. That's why Miller says, stop being hysterical.
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Why are you trying to make this all personal? Why are you trying to get little barbs and
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insults? And I'm giving you an answer. Uh, Jake Tapper revisits this later in the interview.
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There's one viewer that you care about right now and you're being obsequious. You're being a factotum
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in order to please him. Okay. And I think I've wasted it. I think I've wasted enough of my viewer's
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time. Thank you, Stephen. As Republican lawmakers call for Attorney General Jeff Sessions to resign.
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Two aspects of this. One, he has to cut him off because Stephen Miller isn't saying what he wants
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him to say. So he isn't going along with the pre-scripted interview that Jake Tapper clearly had
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outlined in his head. So he has to just cut him off very rudely. It was really awful. Even from
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the beginning to bring up those personal insults and barbs is so rude, so unbecoming of a serious
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newsman. But Jake Tapper hasn't been a serious newsman for a very long time. But to, to get that
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same exact barb in again, it was pathetic. I mean, it was the sort of insult that you would hear in
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middle school. You would hear somebody say, well, I know that really secretly you only care about this.
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It's not even psychobabble. Psychobabble is much more elevated than what Jake Tapper is doing here
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to Stephen Miller. And that's where it really takes a turn. Because Jake Tapper, having once
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been a journalist, he is now fully at CNN. He's doing the CNN thing. God knows why. His bosses may
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have told him that he had to turn up the smarm and the smug. He's basically auditioning to be Jon
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Stewart. Outside of this interview, here are some other examples.
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The House apparently does not like any questions about any of this. Not a ban. Okay. But I, I
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could have sworn I heard somebody in the Trump administration using the term ban before.
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Was it possibly President Trump? Okay. But to be fair, that was Sean Spicer on Sunday. Surely
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he has not used the term ban since then, such as, I don't know, last night when he spoke at George
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Washington University. It's all sarcasm. It's dripping in sarcasm. And he's, he's, uh, so
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regularly missing his role. If he, the role that he once served as being a journalist and a straight
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journalist, everything now is so elitist and so condescending. Stephen Miller, I wonder if he had
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that even loaded up and ready to go to accuse him of being condescending. The Trump administration is
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very good at branding people, finding an essential flaw in their character and pulling it to the
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forefront and showing that to people. That is Jake Tappers. Donald Trump, I think, has made the
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guy go completely mad and he can't help. He wears his hatred and fury and madness at Donald Trump on
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his sleeve. It's affected a lot of his coverage. Regularly, he just misses the point entirely of news
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stories. Akbar, God is great. Um, sometimes, uh, said under the most beautiful of circumstances.
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And, and too often we hear of it being, being said in moments, uh, like this. That's the story,
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right, Jake? The story is that Allahu Akbar, the chant of jihadis when they are about to blow things
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up, that that's off. Oh, sometimes it's said in beautiful circumstances. That's the story.
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Of course not. It's posturing and it's preening. Uh, uh, on other times though, he'll just outright lie.
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It's not normal to, for a president to make fun of disabled people, right? That's not normal.
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Yeah, right. Correct. When did he make fun of disabled people? When did he make fun of
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somebody's disability? It didn't happen. This was a regular attack from the left during the 2016
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primary debates because there was some reporter who was saying mean things about Trump and he
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pretended to be spastic when he was impersonating him. But Donald Trump did precisely the same
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impersonation when he was making fun of a general, when he was making fun of Ted Cruz, when he was
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making fun of himself, actually. He was making fun of something that he himself had done in the past.
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And he said, Oh yeah, I don't, I don't know. I, you know, I wasn't being coherent or making sense.
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This was a total lie. Jake Tapper honestly peddled it. How about some more?
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I want to ask you in Quebec city last week, a white right-wing terrorist opened fire on a mosque,
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a mosque filled with innocent men, women, and children. Six people were killed. President Trump
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has not said or tweeted one public word about this. You want to talk about ignoring terrorism?
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Why hasn't the president offered his sympathy to our neighbors in the North?
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Gee, Jake, do you still beat your wife? That is a fairer question than what you just brought up to
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Kellyanne Conway. Not only is it a ridiculous in the position and the defense that it puts the,
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the interviewee in, but it's just not grounded in any reality. We are know that president Trump had
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already called the leaders of Canada and offered his support and offered his condolences on the
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phone. So it isn't true. He did very, he publicly offered his support to the neighbors, to the
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North, but that didn't go with the narrative. So Jake Tapper, he had to just, he had to reinvent
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history and reinvent the presidency, which he keeps trying to do. He tried to reinvent it with Stephen
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Miller. Miller wouldn't play along. So we kicked him off of his show now. So he used to be a journalist
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in the Obama days. It's really gone downhill during the campaign, certainly during the
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administration. He's even admitted his naked partisan advocacy on television, on election,
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...that we really need, that Hillary Clinton really needs to maintain. Let's just put this
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on the board. We need to make, Hillary Clinton needs to keep a pencil.
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We need it. We need, did you catch that? Did you catch what he said? He didn't say the Clinton
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campaign. He said, well, we really need, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah,
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I mean the Clinton campaign. And so the only way that, ah, we will ever get into the Oval
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of, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, jeez, is it hot in here? Is it hot in the CNN studios? Give me
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a break. But he said it himself. He said, we are on the team. We are working for Hillary Clinton,
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which was no surprise to anyone who's ever watched CNN. But it was a little bit sad for people
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who used to like Jake Tapper because he used to be a journalist. The, the language has
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continued since he's uh been uh since president trump was inaugurated and people accuse president
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trump of using reckless rhetoric extremist rhetoric how about the extremist rhetoric from
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jake tapper where president trump's tweets are windows into his soul unfiltered and often
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seemingly unmoored unmoored and by the way this is the perennial attack against republicans
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particularly against republican presidents and presidential candidates they have to be crazy
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they're all out of their minds they're all mentally unfit to be president we're seeing this now this
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is coming back up against president trump we'll talk about it a little more later some of its history
00:21:22.020
with uh ronald reagan and barry goldwater and even dan quayle even george w bush but he doesn't just
00:21:29.140
stop there he doesn't just question the president's mental capacities he also questions his loyalties
00:21:35.240
even the darkest days of the obama white house's war against fox news the obama white house never
00:21:40.120
banned fox from attending any sort of press gaggle or briefing this white house does not seem to
00:21:46.720
respect the idea of accountability this white house does not seem to value an independent press
00:21:53.200
there is a word for that line of thinking the word is un-american that isn't true by the way barack
00:22:01.380
obama did try to disinvite fox news from a press gaggle i think in 2009 and it was only because the rest of
00:22:06.940
the press wouldn't show up they were so offended by it that they uh had to continue to invite them
00:22:12.620
but obama actually did try to do that nothing unprecedented at all how about the final hit jake
00:22:18.620
uh if you are a soldier in harm's way right now if you are a hungry child in appalachia or the inner city
00:22:28.600
if you are an unemployed worker in a hollow shell of a steel town that's not a president who seemed
00:22:35.680
rather focused on your particular needs and wants that's a president focused on his bad press it was
00:22:42.660
unhinged a lot of americans are going to watch that press conference and think that guy is not focused
00:22:48.540
on me i don't even know what he's focused on just the facts cnn just the facts i'm jake tapper i'm a real
00:22:54.220
journalist look it looks like he was giving a campaign speech looks like he himself was running
00:22:58.660
for president what is it about journalists who say you know listen i don't know any of these people
00:23:03.080
and i'm certainly not in their shoes but if i were one of these wonderful americans i would hate this
00:23:08.320
president i would hate president trump and you should too totally totally pathetic and you know he once
00:23:14.060
said too he said no one is called people who don't want isis to move to their neighborhood
00:23:18.360
islamophobic that has never happened in the history of the world it's all of this hysterical
00:23:22.960
dishonest uh word choice that jake tapper has been engaging and it's glib it's snarky it's that
00:23:29.140
cattiness it reduced him from a real journalist to a catty high school girl really pathetic and i hope
00:23:34.440
he turns it around some of us hope for that but trump derangement syndrome hits us all and it seems
00:23:38.740
to have hit him speaking of the fairer sex let's bring on our panel we have ariel davidson from the
00:23:45.800
federalist we have alicia kraus the daily wires own ladies thank you for being here i've been looking at
00:23:51.140
jake tapper for like 15 minutes it's very nice to look at you and hear from you alicia who won the
00:23:56.780
debate between tapper and miller i don't think it was a debate and i have to say i'm gonna go against
00:24:01.200
you here michael uh having been on radio for a very long time and you know tv and podcasting for
00:24:06.200
a fairly long time 12 minutes jake tapper gave steve miller 12 minutes and it took seven and a half
00:24:14.560
minutes before tapper actually hit back and was annoyed with him so i was getting annoyed just watching it
00:24:20.480
and i think that steve miller definitely was dodging and definitely was playing to what he thought that
00:24:25.040
the president of the united states wanted to hear and did not answer one of those questions at all
00:24:28.920
i mean jake tapper asked a basic question about oh when did you come to the campaign and then he
00:24:32.980
started talking about how he didn't ask a question of when did you come to the campaign he made an
00:24:36.620
accusation he said bannon brought you on the campaign and miller said i was on the campaign before
00:24:40.940
bannon okay all that to say bad performance by both guys can we agree there i don't think it's this
00:24:46.380
takedown of the mainstream media that everyone is claiming it is it was obviously steven miller
00:24:51.920
went in there and he was given tons of time he was given more than 12 minutes to i mean 12 minutes
00:24:56.880
of jake tapper interrupting him i do i totally agree with you he went in there with his agenda as do all
00:25:02.860
white house flacks they go in there with their bullet points that they're going to hit steven miller
00:25:07.540
is a robot he's a highly intelligent robot and he was going to hit his points he wasn't going to answer
00:25:12.500
certain of jake tapper's questions but that doesn't excuse tapper tapper had two premises that were
00:25:17.540
just flat out false that he kept hammering and my question i don't care about that then miller
00:25:21.620
should have called them false and then moved along he tried to but jake kept interrupting he kept
00:25:26.060
interrupting him he did say that was false the russia line was in the top of the thing but i don't even
00:25:31.180
really mind that i don't care if jake tapper is going to hit a white house aide pretty hard i suppose
00:25:35.260
that's his job my question is the glibness the snark do you think that in this media age
00:25:41.500
of this clicky clickbaity age where so much of politics is now entertainment do we need that or
00:25:48.900
is there a place for a journalist like jake tapper circa 2009 who can cut all of that out and just
00:25:55.680
be really be a real bulldog but just stick with the facts i i think that there's definitely a place
00:26:00.680
for that but i think unfortunately you're going to have a very few people proven by your monologue
00:26:05.920
that that i think would triumph that i think that some people out there only want to hear
00:26:10.780
what they want to hear for their side and their guy and i mean hey it's a free market i love the
00:26:15.560
first amendment it gives us the ability for you to have your opinion have your opinion me to have
00:26:19.420
mine and jake tapper and steve miller to have theirs as well uh i think that i personally would love it
00:26:24.420
there's very few journalists out there that i actually think are unbiased everyone of course has
00:26:28.360
biases and certain networks show that in different ways i think that there is a part of the audience
00:26:33.720
that would like unbiased reporting but even when jake tapper has done unbiased reporting when it comes to
00:26:39.700
the trump white house even when jake tapper hit hillary clinton in 2016 during the campaign it
00:26:44.220
still wasn't enough for some people and i don't know that any of these people can win in any way
00:26:49.220
that's a very good point the decay of jake tapper in some ways i don't even really blame him for
00:26:54.060
it's sort of a decay of political journalism and he's a big leading figure and he's gone where his
00:26:59.760
bosses probably wanted him to go but still to quote a great man sad ariel is steven miller a good
00:27:06.980
public face for this administration we were talking about a very intelligent robot who
00:27:11.660
came in and kept just was uh guns a blazing against jake tapper should they keep sending him out as a
00:27:18.440
public flack well it's interesting because when he did that press conference on immigration i actually
00:27:23.620
think he did a phenomenal job i think he did a great job of addressing um acosta's advances in a lot
00:27:29.840
of ways and i think he ended up coming out of that as sort of the hero against uh fake news media
00:27:35.620
now you know this interview i agree with alicia it was just it was bad on both sides um i think
00:27:43.000
steven miller's face he sort of looked disengaged from it for a majority of it um and i felt like
00:27:49.180
tapper just handled himself pretty unprofessionally and i was surprised because i usually have a higher
00:27:54.620
opinion of tapper especially when it comes to cnn in general um i think certainly i mean he's the
00:27:59.680
greatest journalist in the history of the world compared to his colleagues at cnn right of course
00:28:05.280
but i i think that this interview in particular i was pretty disappointed by both of them i would
00:28:10.160
be willing to give um steven miller another chance but i think that this interview kind of fell short
00:28:15.620
for me so i agree with alicia definitely he was just i mean i totally agree ariel i i had to watch
00:28:21.360
old footage of steven miller because i know he's capable of being better on television and answering
00:28:25.920
direct questions i mean the jim acosta the jim acosta steve miller exchange of that press conference
00:28:31.080
that ariel just mentioned is peak miller doing a very good thing when he corrects acosta's quote
00:28:36.600
from the poem on the statue of liberty and then brings it back to his talking point he was just
00:28:41.480
all over the place here and if i had to be sitting down with him trying to get questions out of him
00:28:45.400
whether i agreed with his stance and in the white house's positioning on the bannon thing or not
00:28:51.080
i would have been annoyed after 12 and a half minutes of him yapping absolutely and as reynolds
00:28:56.420
reagan said if you're explaining you're losing i think that's what miller was thinking going into
00:29:01.060
this the mainstream media have been trying to set the agenda of public discourse around some stupid
00:29:06.900
and irrelevant meeting that may or may not have taken place or may or may not have included certain
00:29:11.780
figures from the campaign with some russian lawyer who i guess was sent there to disrupt things and
00:29:16.420
blah blah blah blah blah blah and they want that to be the news cycle every single day steven miller went
00:29:20.900
in there and said absolutely not he's responding to allegations made in this tabloid book by michael
00:29:27.780
wolf and and also trump has just had a very public break from his former strategist steve bannon so
00:29:34.260
there are a lot of uh different narratives and a lot of different uh news agendas that are fighting for
00:29:39.940
primacy here i i do agree he steven miller has come off better in other venues but again he was going
00:29:45.780
in their guns blazing on the central question of the book itself ariel is this book the fire and fury
00:29:53.300
by michael wolf is it worth reading have you read it alicia have you read it no just excerpts so you
00:30:00.020
wouldn't recommend it you don't think you think it's just probably mostly here's a tabloid trash i mean
00:30:04.900
it's hearsay and if you want to talk about media bias talk about nbc's katie turr talking to wolf earlier
00:30:09.700
and she ended the interview by telling him congratulations on your book being a bestseller and congratulations on
00:30:15.140
perturbing the president i mean that's almost a direct quote i mean i mean to his credit at least
00:30:19.940
jake tapper went after one of his colleagues um the host of reliable sources over the weekend
00:30:25.060
because he said you know let's let's take this what it is having you know some of these things
00:30:29.620
being true and feeling like it kind of sounds like things we've heard out of the white house
00:30:33.860
isn't actually factual information and and i think that i mean i've had friends bethany mendel who's been
00:30:38.820
a guest on on your show she and her husband read it over the weekend and she said it reads like a
00:30:43.540
gossiping novel yeah and and i mean if we're really going on the words of steve bannon who
00:30:48.260
we know to be a fantastic liar then i would say 99.9 of the book is false plus michael wolf admits in
00:30:55.940
the preface i too haven't wasted my money on this i know a lot of people on the right haven't done it
00:31:02.180
sebastian gorka has a great piece today out where he says i'm not going to spend anything but i will
00:31:06.740
read the excerpts that are already out in the beginning of the book the author michael wolf says i can't
00:31:11.540
really defend any of this as being true or any of the facts being true but they are notionally true
00:31:18.100
no i'm not quite sure that is the best euphemism of 2018 we've already got our there was fake news
00:31:23.460
there were alternative facts now we have notionally true which i think just means not true i think you
00:31:28.740
can take the unily out of it and this is not true so i i won't read it either uh the excerpts you know
00:31:34.580
they're scintillating i sometimes read magazines from the grocery store and but those are a little bit
00:31:39.220
cheaper than this this work of fiction okay we have a lot more to talk about we we have beyond
00:31:44.180
gossip to talk about now uh but unfortunately folks if you are on facebook and youtube i have to say
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00:32:09.220
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00:32:20.180
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two hundred thousand salvadorans stand to be deported from the united states they were brought
00:33:01.780
here in 2001 under a program called temporary protected status after an earthquake in their
00:33:09.220
country now two hundred thousand of them stand to be uh deported alicia is this a good idea bad
00:33:15.940
idea is this a good priority for the administration to stand firm on immigration or is it going to be
00:33:20.340
a pr nightmare i think it's already a pr nightmare because you just fell into the msm trap there and read
00:33:25.620
the headline what it is though is that those two hundred thousand people do have an opportunity to
00:33:30.340
change their immigration status and update their paperwork and then they have the they can stay here
00:33:35.140
in addition to that i believe it was actually two awful earthquakes that were back back to back in
00:33:39.780
2001 and it was a deal that the el salvadorian government made with the united states government
00:33:45.060
that let kind of like a refugee status for these two hundred thousand el salvadorians to be here
00:33:50.260
it's been 15 years i mean that is that is a long time i mean if there's a long time to work out your
00:33:55.300
immigration that is a long time to work out your immigration status that is a long time to get a job
00:33:59.220
to get a home to acclimate to american society so i would think that these people would be willing and want
00:34:04.900
to do whatever it would take to stay here and i think in the long run this will end up dwindling
00:34:09.140
off i think it's going to look bad on the white house just the way that the media covers it but
00:34:13.460
i guarantee you it will be end up being a very small percentage of those 200 000 that end up getting
00:34:18.420
deported well this is the issue because the headline is 200 000 people get deported now the secondary
00:34:23.780
thought is huh they've had had a long time to figure out their status in the united states haven't
00:34:28.500
they they probably still have a little bit of time yeah nevertheless that will never be reported
00:34:33.300
honestly and there were these two big pillars of the conservative movement for years and years
00:34:38.980
there was one that was strong on immigration and we need to secure the border and jobs here and
00:34:43.940
stop importing democrats who are going to make us lose elections the other was open borders and there
00:34:50.020
was a big wing of the party that wanted more trade more open borders the more libertarian strain
00:34:55.220
ariel does that still exist in the conservative coalition or are we now firmly a stop importing
00:35:02.180
democrats to make us lose elections party well i think there's you know if the conservative party
00:35:08.340
in terms of immigration sort of waffles and i think it depends if you tend to lean more on the
00:35:12.900
neoconservative side or whether you're more of a ted cruz conservative i think that's where i usually
00:35:17.700
mentally draw the line when it comes to immigration um you know ted cruz tends to be a pretty strong
00:35:22.980
immigration hawk and then you have other parts of the party that um tend to be a little bit more
00:35:28.020
favorable towards um coming up with a solution um that might may or may not involve amnesty
00:35:35.460
for illegal immigrants that are already residing in the united states so i think when it comes to
00:35:39.860
addressing immigration i think definitely the conservatives are probably more strict on the
00:35:44.500
border but when it comes to the variety or the disparity of opinions within the conservative party we
00:35:50.180
definitely have uh an entire spectrum i will say though with the advent of trump assuming the presidency i
00:35:56.980
definitely think i've seen appreciatively a more rightward shift on immigration and being a little
00:36:02.260
bit more um hawkish on it and i i'm i tend to fall more in that camp so i was i'm glad to see trump be
00:36:08.900
more firm in that stance but you know up until that point i think the conservative party has been pretty
00:36:13.780
lukewarm on immigration and definitely not as hawkish as they sort of um put themselves forward to be
00:36:19.700
what's ironic you just you bring in a lifelong democrat from queen's reality tv star and you're
00:36:26.580
absolutely right he has made the republican party and the conservative coalition more conservative
00:36:32.100
he's moved us to the right i think that's just the whimsy of god okay we have to move on because we
00:36:37.460
need to talk about our next uh reality tv star president are you with her ladies oprah 2020 are you
00:36:44.180
with her she gave a rousing speech last night at the golden globes and during which she pretended
00:36:49.860
that she hadn't been friends with rapists like harvey weinstein for decades that she and myriad other
00:36:54.580
hollywood elites haven't covered up the heinous crimes of gomorrah by the sea hollywood california
00:36:59.700
many are now speculating she will run for president she is worshipped like a cult figure by the way coast
00:37:05.060
to coast alicia is oprah the next president of the united states only if the rock does not run against her
00:37:12.180
which i am team rock 2020 or 2024 i don't know whatever i will vote for the republican i think
00:37:18.580
over oprah winfrey you know i don't i i'm like about the person not the party but if he comes out
00:37:23.540
and he's like as small government and charming as i think he is then i'm all about the rock
00:37:28.260
matt walsh actually has a great uh op-ed of course up on the daily wire right now that brought up the
00:37:32.980
points that you just said you know oprah winfrey has been palling around in bffs with harvey weinstein for
00:37:37.540
years and you have to wonder when the when she has made billions being the pulse of american
00:37:43.220
culture and entertainment and even politics i mean look at what she did for barack obama
00:37:47.460
during the primary against hillary clinton back in 2008 that you know rocketed him to fame and really
00:37:52.820
gave him a huge boost when he was running against hillary clinton and people were like who is this guy
00:37:57.540
she gave him a platform you don't think that she knew you don't think that she heard rumors you don't
00:38:02.020
think that she had any idea about stuff that was happening behind the scenes in the entertainment
00:38:06.660
industry i don't buy it absolutely right and she has a lot of other baggage too so she's worshiped
00:38:11.940
like a cult figure she's beloved in some ways very often the next president is the antithesis of his
00:38:18.660
predecessor so you had you know george w bush comes in after clinton and uh you know clinton was an
00:38:24.660
unsavory undignified sexual creep and george w bush is going to restore dignity to the white house
00:38:30.100
born-again christian clinton was this young liberal whippersnapper in reaction to the old stodgy
00:38:36.580
republican george hw bush then obviously we had barack obama a totally uh uh new generation
00:38:44.740
basically a younger man he's a first black president he's much uh more articulate than george w bush george
00:38:53.780
w bush could very frequently not put two sentences together barack obama gives rousing beautiful
00:38:58.980
speeches he has a wonderful way with words in his books then we have donald trump an antithesis to
00:39:03.860
barack obama uh oprah winfrey has that on the on the surface donald trump is a villainous figure he's
00:39:10.420
always angry and firing people oprah is hugging people and giving away cars he's an old white man
00:39:16.180
she's an old black woman uh they're both reality tv they're both cultural figures she's got this weird
00:39:23.140
romantic life where she's got i guess sort of a girlfriend and sort of a fake husband and i've
00:39:27.860
never really looked too far into this but it is a little strange allegedly everything's alleged
00:39:32.820
everything's alleged but it's all pretty weird with all of that we don't know a ton about oprah's
00:39:37.780
personal life we do know she worked herself up from nothing now she's one of the most powerful people
00:39:41.620
in the world could she beat trump ariel me okay um you know i i don't know i think she actually might
00:39:52.500
would have a good chance the only thing i will say is if the economy keeps performing the way it is
00:39:56.980
performing that will be a definitive boom for trump in 2020 um but i think when it comes to oprah's uh
00:40:05.060
you know curbside appeal i think you're you hit the nail on the head she has the perfect personality
00:40:09.220
for it when it comes to you know policy expertise trump's going to be coming into this race with four
00:40:14.420
years of a presidency under his belt or three years and so he's going to be able to bring that to the
00:40:19.060
table so all you know it's going to be funny there are plenty of commentators who made this point
00:40:23.700
uh yesterday evening where they said it's going to be really interesting to watch i think ben shapiro
00:40:27.940
said this really interesting to watch the media do a total 180 on the necessity of um
00:40:32.740
public policy they're already doing it because so runs and that's it you know people are going to be
00:40:37.300
they're going to be ready to get behind her and the funny thing will be is trump will actually be
00:40:40.980
more experienced than oprah by the time uh she's actually done so that's going to be a very funny
00:40:46.740
conundrum and you know given um trump's performance when it comes to the war on isis
00:40:52.420
when it comes to the economy those are all going to be big wins for trump um tax reform so he'll be
00:40:56.900
able to bring those to the table so you know there are a lot of people who say this would be a slam
00:41:00.340
dunk for oprah and i i don't know i i question that a bit just because trump's going to be bringing
00:41:04.820
you know he's you know if all goes well he's going to be bringing a pretty strong three years to the
00:41:09.620
table but oprah he could offer us all of that in the great economy and foreign policy seriousness but oprah
00:41:15.620
could give us a free car and this is bread and circuses folks 2018 decadent culture bread and
00:41:20.900
circuses so last question we only have a couple minutes left we've got to talk about our stable
00:41:26.020
genius president we have to talk about that stable genius donald trump so his response to all of the
00:41:31.860
basically baseless accusations in michael wolf's tabloid fire and fury uh he has responded and said
00:41:37.620
that he is quote like very smart and that he is a very stable genius he's not an unstable idiot
00:41:45.540
which they say about every republican president they do this about all of them either they're
00:41:49.220
evil or idiots and then in retrospect they stop being idiots but they say it about every single
00:41:53.460
one and they pretend that every democrat president is a genius so trump idiot bush idiot bush senior
00:41:59.620
incompetent ronald reagan idiot gerald ford idiot gerald ford the most athletic president they portrayed
00:42:05.300
him as stumbling all over his own feet but the the democrats bill clinton oh what a genius even
00:42:10.420
jimmy carter utterly factless president well he's he's a physicist he's an engineer he's a genius right
00:42:14.820
you see this again and again barack obama genius we have no evidence of that but that's what they say
00:42:20.340
uh with all of that donald trump is the first president to smack back and say nope i'm a very
00:42:25.460
stable genius two questions you can give both of your answers alicia is he a very stable genius
00:42:31.300
and was that response a good one um no to the first question and secondly if donald trump hadn't been so
00:42:39.620
open and honest about how he does not drink alcohol and why he does not drink alcohol i would
00:42:44.740
have thought that he was drunk tweeting so he's he's not only he's uh not a very stable genius he has
00:42:51.940
shaky hands no alcohol absolutely right uh ariel is he a stable genius and was it a good idea
00:42:57.940
uh my mom always says to me if you have to say it it's less likely that it's true
00:43:03.860
so if someone has to tell you they're a stable genius then chances are you know it's less likely
00:43:09.700
that that's the case um so i'll leave it at that but we're talking about politics do you remember
00:43:14.660
bill clinton first of all politicians have to repeat things ad nauseam that's all they do they
00:43:19.140
memorize like six lines and they smack you over the head with them bill clinton in that in his
00:43:24.100
re-election campaign he said we got to build a bridge to the 21st century bridge to the 21st century
00:43:28.660
i was like six years old at the time i can't get that out of my head it's still
00:43:32.260
ringing around my head he said it so many times in this case scott adams the dilbert guy had an
00:43:38.740
immediate reaction he said what donald trump is going to do with his weird diction his weird word
00:43:44.180
choice and crazy behavior unstable behavior he's going to make all of his own critics
00:43:50.740
tie his name to the word on to the word stable genius for the next two weeks yeah has he done that
00:43:58.180
that i think he has yeah i think that i mean he's a genius he's a stable genius all these words he's
00:44:06.260
invented so many because he's a great brand marketer so he's attached words to all of his opponents but
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even covfefe he just made that word up whole cloth that's like the thesis of my show i'm going to write
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my my political dissertation on the word covfefe will it be blank man i already wrote my political
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dissertation very good point ladies so good to have you we have alicia krauss from the daily wire
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ariel davidson from the federalist well that was so nice we had that awe just so much jake tapper
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and natalie portman i was like ah wah wah wah and then those ladies came in and made me feel so much
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better that is our show today come back tomorrow we're going to do it all again i am michael knowles
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