Ep. 860 - An Inconvenient School Shooting
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Summary
Joe Biden wants everyone in the federal government to get vaccinated, but is it really so hard to get them to get the flu? Today on The Michael Knowles Show, host Michael Kinsley talks to United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby about how his airline has gone from 59% of their employees to 99% in less than two months.
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You know your presidency is in trouble when you are bragging about mass firings.
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But unfortunately for Joe Biden, whose poll numbers are tanking on every single issue,
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the best thing he's got to brag about these days is the huge number of his constituents
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who are losing their jobs because they are losing their jobs in the name of public health.
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And as the business roundtable others told me when I announced the first requirement,
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that encouraged businesses to feel they could come in and demand the same thing of their employees.
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When you see headlines and reports of mass firings and hundreds of people losing their jobs,
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I've spoken with Scott Kirby, CEO of United Airlines, who's here today.
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United went from 59 percent of their employees to 99 percent of their employees
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in less than two months after implementing the requirement.
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Ninety-nine percent because they fired all the ones that weren't in that 99 percent.
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Lots and lots and lots of people are going to lose their livelihoods
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in order to pressure other people to get a vaccine that may or may not prevent them from getting a cough.
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Is Joe Biden sure that we are the ones who are not looking at the bigger story here?
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My favorite comment yesterday from Old Skooled.
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Man, you know, when my producer sends me in these comments in the morning,
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Once again, Old Skooled, who he keeps coming up here on these comments.
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He writes, one of my sons is actually named Brandon,
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and he's on cloud nine because he thinks the whole country is cheering for him.
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And every single day, more and more of the country is cheering him on.
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Okay, Joe Biden, semi-coherently, and I'm being generous, I think, gave this speech yesterday
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about the vaccines and the vaccine mandates and how it's great if a lot of people lose
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their jobs because they're not vaccinated, because then that might encourage other people
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And we need certain people to get vaccinated, okay?
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It's not just about your liberty, as Biden had said a few weeks ago.
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At the very least, we need to get the nurses and the healthcare workers vaccinated because
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you, if you're going into your checkup, if you're going in to be treated for some other
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illness or for coronavirus, you need to be confident that the people who are treating
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you are not going to transmit the virus to you.
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So while I didn't race to do it right away, that's why I've had to move toward requirements
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that everyone get vaccinated where I had the authority to do that.
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My administration is now requiring federal workers to be vaccinated.
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We've also required federal contractors to be vaccinated.
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If you have a contract of the federal government working for the federal government, you have to
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We're requiring active duty military to be vaccinated.
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We're making sure healthcare workers are vaccinated because if you seek care at a healthcare
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facility, you should have the certainty that the people providing that care are protected
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So you've, you've got to have that certainty that the people at the healthcare facility
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can neither contract nor transmit the coronavirus.
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And that's why they've got to get the vaccine, which does not prevent them from contracting or
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The vaccine may reduce the risk of hospitalization or death, but this is even according to the CDC.
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I've got it right here before, before YouTube or whoever tried to kick me off for,
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I've got, I've got the report right here from the CDC.
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CDC report shows vaccinated people can spread COVID-19.
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So the vaccine mandate here serves no public health purpose.
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The very argument, the justification that Joe Biden is giving for the COVID vaccine mandate
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It does not carry any weight because it doesn't achieve that purpose.
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And this is, this is, I think the key to thinking about the vaccine mandates here,
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because there are all sorts of arguments that people are making about the vaccine mandates.
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This violates my individual liberty and you can't inject me with anything in my body, my choice.
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You're hearing them from the left, which is that, look, you absolutely, we have to protect
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people's public health and you have no right to spread germs here.
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And you've got conservatives trying to make more prudential arguments in the middle.
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I think what we have to do is look at the specifics of this vaccine and this virus.
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They can protect you from a virus and they can protect other people from a virus.
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These vaccines do not by the CDC's own admission.
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So this vaccine apparently is very good at protecting you from going to the hospital or
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dying from the coronavirus, but it does not protect you from transmitting the virus.
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That's why the CDC gave guidance at the end of July saying that you've got to still wear
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Now, you might say that's a stupid piece of guidance as well, but neither here nor there.
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The justification for that is that this vaccine does not protect other people from the risk
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of you, a vaccinated person, transmitting it to them, which means that there might be a
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public health, there might be a personal health benefit to having people get the vaccine, but
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there is no additional public health benefit, right?
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I understand the argument for vaccine mandates going back to 1905.
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There was a Supreme Court case about this going back even further.
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George Washington inoculated the Continental Army against smallpox.
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The reason being that we all live together and other people might be at risk by your personal
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But that argument doesn't hold here if the virus is still transmissible by the vaccinated people,
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which Joe Biden doesn't seem to understand or doesn't seem to care about because he's making
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You're seeing the VAX mandates going around in all sorts of left-wing places.
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The Los Angeles City Council voted 11 to 2 on Wednesday to pass a new ordinance mandating
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that most patrons provide evidence of vaccination against COVID-19 to enter the indoor portion
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This is at a lot of businesses, restaurants, bars, personal care establishments, and shopping
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Retail establishments, grocery stores, pharmacies are not included in that.
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So the very basic thing is you need to get some food, you need to get some medicine.
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They're not going to require that, but basically everywhere else they will.
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The LA rule will allow customers to submit written exemptions for religious or medical
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But then businesses have to require those customers to use outdoor facilities or to show evidence
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of a recent negative COVID test if no outdoor facilities are available.
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So the effect of this is going to be segregation.
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The filthy, dirty, unvaccinated prole peasants have to stay outside and the good, compliant
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It's hard to follow these arguments because the authorities keep changing them so quickly.
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The classic example of this is Fauci saying, don't wear masks.
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And then immediately thereafter saying, no, you actually have to wear masks.
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I lied to you because I wanted to make sure there were enough masks left over for my buddies.
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Believe me though, I was lying to you then, but believe me now.
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When we're talking about the vaccine mandates, you don't need to go so far as to say that
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the vaccines are evil and they're going to inject you with microchips.
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You don't need to go so far as to say that all vaccine mandates at all places at all times
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It will suffice to point out that this vaccine mandated for this virus has no leg to stand on.
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It does not achieve the purpose that its proponents are suggesting it will achieve.
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Speaking of death, it's kind of a morbid topic.
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California has gone further beyond just these vaccine mandates.
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They have gone further to make assisted suicide easier.
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Gavin Newsom signed a bill into law on Tuesday that will make it easier for terminally ill patients
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Right now, terminally ill patients can already kill themselves in California, but they have
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to wait 15 days before their families can get the lethal drugs and kill off their relatives.
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The law also requires healthcare providers to post their physician-assisted suicide policies
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The reasoning for this, the reasoning for making it easier for depressed people to kill themselves
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is that a third of the 400 terminally ill patients who requested assisted suicide drugs in recent
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years died before they had reached that 15-day waiting period, before they'd reached the end
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So, because of that, because of the awful cruelty that the people who were trying to kill themselves
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died before they had the opportunity to kill themselves, we need to make it easier for people
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See, I was already having trouble following the scientific and medical logic of the day,
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but that one is really hard to wrap your head around.
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It's cruel that the people who are trying to kill themselves died before they had the chance to kill
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themselves, and so we need to make it easier to kill themselves.
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What, so they don't get an extra five days or something?
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There's a personal twist in this as well, which is really, really disturbing.
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And in a way, it actually gives you a little bit more sympathy for someone like Gavin Newsom,
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Gavin Newsom has a personal connection to this issue here, and I think it actually reveals
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a lot of the illogic of the people who are supporting doctor-assisted or just broadly assisted
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A lot of people talking about life and death these days, and specifically, they're talking
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about abortion, with these court cases winding their way up to the Supreme Court, new pro-life
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Gavin Newsom signed into law this assisted suicide bill to make it easier for depressed people
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and terminally ill people who obviously are depressed to kill themselves.
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Gavin Newsom seems to have admitted in a magazine interview to helping his mother kill herself.
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So this is from 2002, this occurred in 2002, from the interview, quote, in May 2002, his
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mother decided to end her life through assisted suicide.
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Newsom recalled, quote, she left me a message because I was too busy.
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But Newsom says, I saved the cassette with the message on it.
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He crossed his arms and jammed his hands into his armpits.
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I have PTSD and this is bringing it all back, he said.
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The night before we gave her the drugs, I cooked her dinner, hard-boiled eggs, and she
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This is a horrifying, horrifying scene to think about.
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That Newsom's mother, governor of California, his mother calls him up.
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Very often, the predictions on these things can be way, way off.
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And she just said, you know, I don't, I've got cancer.
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And she had her son come there to help her kill herself.
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This was while her son was a member of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors.
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At the time, assisted suicide was a felony in California.
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There are really dark, really, really dark versions of this.
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There was a story out of the Netherlands where an old woman had been scheduled for assisted suicide.
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But she was sort of out of her mind a little bit.
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And when the time came for the scheduled assisted suicide, she begged them to stop.
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She tried to smack the poison out of their hands.
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Actually, her family members had to hold her down while a doctor killed her while she was struggling to survive.
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People who feel they're a burden on their families.
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Because the premise here is that suffering is the worst possible thing in the world.
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The only reason to live is to feel good and to have pleasure.
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And the moment that the pleasure and the feeling good wears at.
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Or you think life's not quite as bright as it used to be.
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It's going to lead to a lot of people offing themselves.
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And it also is based on a false understanding of our own bodies.
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We have this idea that we own our bodies and we can do whatever we want with them.
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But you know you have a right to do whatever you want with your body.
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You don't have a right to do whatever you want with your bodies.
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I know that this very liberal lowercase l idea has pervaded the left and the right these days.
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You have obligations to your family, to your community, to your nation, and to your God.
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You don't have the right to do a great many things.
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Not the least of which is you don't have the right to kill yourself.
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Speaking of death and distress, it's a really downer kind of a news cycle.
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Well luckily we've actually got some good news coming up too.
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But before we move on to that, we do have to talk about abortion.
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This is the last piece of death I think we're going to be talking about here.
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I think the left is stumbling over their own illogic on abortion.
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I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly.
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And she posted this whole tweet thread about abortion and how terrible it is if you are pro-life.
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And she says, if you are anti-choice and you want to make sure women carry every pregnancy
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to term, why not make the person who created the pregnancy contribute?
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Why not have men pay child support to the women they impregnate?
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Surely it is not the woman's responsibility alone.
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I bet you pro-lifers don't want men to have to stick around and take care of the mother
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Maybe we should make it harder to get divorced.
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And maybe we should discourage casual sex and the hookup culture.
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And maybe we should encourage a traditional family structure.
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So this has happened a few other times where these pro-abortion people think they've got
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a real zinger on the pro-lifers because they'll say, maybe you should hold the men accountable.
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And then all the pro-lifers, every single one of them, every single one in the entire
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And what this reveals is that the pro-abortion side, they come to their ignorance honestly.
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And I actually mean this sort of as a compliment.
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They're not, I don't think generally they're just lying about their motivations.
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I think they genuinely believe that people who oppose abortion, pro-lifers, do so because
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they hate women and they want to control women's bodies and they want to keep women as second
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In fact, I know that's what they genuinely believe because when I was young and stupid
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back when I was a teenager, I thought that I was pro-abortion.
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I thought the arguments for pro-life didn't make any sense to me.
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I mean, that was the case until I was about, I don't know, 19, 20 years old.
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I remember I had a conversation with a bioethicist during a summer fellowship once and she disabused
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But I really had it in my head that pro-lifers, they just, you know, they just didn't respect
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They didn't think women ought to have the choice.
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It didn't occur to me that the baby was actually the subject in this discussion, not just the
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woman or the man or the society or the economy or whatever, but the baby actually had some
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So I think it's good when these stories come up, when these pro-abortion people come up
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and they think they've got a real zinger here, I think we need to speak loudly and say, oh,
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Yeah, let's make sure that men have some say over whether or not their kids get killed
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and let's make sure that men have to bear some responsibility for raising their kids.
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Speaking of pro-life, you know that Nancy Pelosi pretends to be a practicing Catholic, but
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she is in a great disagreement with Catholic teaching on a very important issue, a non-negotiable
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And so this is a grave mortal sin, and this actually entails another sin, which is the
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sin of scandal, because she is leading people astray by pretending to be a practicing Catholic
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while supporting the widespread slaughter of babies.
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So Nancy Pelosi's archbishop, Archbishop Salvatore Cordiglione, has come out.
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He's a very strong bishop, very, very strong defender of the faith.
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And he has called for the conversion of Pelosi's heart.
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He says, a conversion of heart of the majority of our congressional representatives is needed
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on this issue, beginning with the leader of the House, Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
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I am therefore inviting all Catholics to join in a massive and visible campaign of prayer
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Commit to praying one rosary a week and fasting on Fridays for her conversion of heart.
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The reason I bring this up, you know, especially for non-Catholics, this might seem kind of weird,
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the idea that just prayer and fasting are good ways to affect positive change in the world.
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And just yesterday, we celebrated a very important anniversary here in the West.
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It's the anniversary of the Battle of Lepanto, October 7th, 1571.
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It's one of the most important battles in all of history.
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It was a battle between the Holy League under St. Pius V and the Ottoman Turks who were invading.
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The Muslims have come close to conquering the West on three occasions.
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The Battle of Poitiers, also known as the Battle of Tours in the 8th century.
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And the Battle of Vienna, largest cavalry charge in history in the 17th century.
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And these were massive moments when civilization, as we know it, could have disappeared.
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And there have been victories that some might call miraculous.
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In the case of the Battle of Lepanto, whose anniversary we celebrate yesterday,
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the Holy League was vastly outnumbered by the Ottoman Turks.
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And actually, this is why there's a feast day in the Catholic Church, which is Our Lady of Victory.
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And so, this prayer, obviously, you know, the soldiers, the sailors, the fighters, they did their part.
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But there is this idea that we actually, our prayers are effective.
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Our physical life and our spiritual life are actually connected.
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And so, one simple thing we can do, we can write op-eds, we can campaign, we can go vote, we should do all of that.
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And I know you might think it's crazy and kooky and strange, but it has served our civilization well for a very, very long time.
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Speaking of violence, there's a story coming out of Texas, a school shooting.
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Usually, the media blasts school shootings all over the TV and the newspapers and everywhere.
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This one, though, you may not have heard about so much.
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The reason that you may not have heard about it is that it contradicts the prevailing narrative on school shootings.
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Because in the prevailing narrative on school shootings, all the shooters are white.
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Furthermore, it contradicts a lot of the narrative on criminal justice because what we always hear is that the cops go really easy on white people and they're really harsh on black people.
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But in this case, the 18-year-old student who shot up a Texas high school was just released on bail.
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He shoots four people, injures four people, shoots up the school, and he gets released on bail.
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It's sad whenever anyone shoots up a school or shoots up a community or, you know, commits any act of violence.
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But that doesn't necessarily make it a national news story.
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The reason I mention this story is to point out that this sort of thing never would have happened if the kid were white.
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If the school shooter were a white kid, he never would have been released on bail.
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And there isn't now because it contradicts that narrative.
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And I don't want to fall into the trap of saying, you know, if the shoe were on the other foot, or, you know, if the roles were reversed.
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But you've got to point it out when it happens.
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You have to be aware of it because some people, I think, are still locked in that matrix, okay?
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One of the most persistent myths, canards, from the left's narrative on race and the criminal justice system,
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and specifically on school shootings and church shootings and race relations,
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is that Dylann Roof, he's the guy who shot up a black church in South Carolina.
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Dylann Roof, when he was arrested, he was taken alive.
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The cops, first of all, the cops didn't take an arrested mass shooter to Burger King, okay?
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Could you imagine the cashier at Burger King, if the cops walk in with this deranged killer?
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It is the law that no matter how heinous a crime a person commits, you have to protect certain basic rights,
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Furthermore, the reason the cops bought Dylann Roof Burger King is because if they didn't,
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if they didn't get him food, if they didn't satisfy these basic requirements of the law,
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he might have been able to get off the hook or at least it would have raised problems for the trial
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because he and his lawyers could have claimed that his rights were violated
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and it would have complicated the trial and it would have made it harder to punish him.
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Buying Burger King for that shooter, for Dylann Roof, made it easier to punish him.
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It was a tool and an instrument in order to bring justice to that shooter, okay?
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In this case, you're not going to hear anything about that.
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You're not going to hear anything about that because it doesn't fit the racial narrative.
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Remember this story the next time the left brings it up.
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The next time the left tries to construct one of these kooky racial narratives about it, okay?
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You saw it with the whistleblower this week at Facebook.
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The valiant whistleblower who is speaking truth to power
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and that's why she's being lauded by every powerful institution in the country.
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The narrative over who is oppressed and who is doing the oppression
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when it is being pushed by the ruling class is almost always exactly the reverse.
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Speaking of double standards, Rashida Tlaib, who is, I guess she's the George Harrison of the squad.
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I think Rashida Tlaib is the George Harrison of the squad.
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She was just caught on camera admitting that the only reason she ever wears her mask
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The video, as she says at the end, is being filmed by a Republican tracker.
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So for congressional campaigns, the opposing campaign will send some punk kid with a cell phone
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to film you all the time and try to catch you doing something unfortunate,
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as actually happened to Rashida Tlaib in this clip.
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And then some guy goes, oh, yeah, I'll put my mask on.
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I only wear it because I've got the Republican tracker following me.
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And she actually, as she tells him that, she pulls the mask down.
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We know that all of these people ignore the rules when they think nobody's looking.
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Except for the very narrowest of circumstances where I have to, for instance, wear the mask,
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at least partially if I'm on an airplane or I won't be able to get on the airplane.
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And I've made a prudential judgment that it's better to go fly somewhere than it is to sit at
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Other than that, I don't wear the thing because it's obviously not serving a scientific or a
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It is merely a symbol of a political power grab.
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Speaking of double standards, before we go, we will get to the mailbag.
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Before we go, though, I have to get to this point.
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The Telegraph, the newspaper, The Telegraph, was complaining about how James Bond in the
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James Bond dates these younger women and it's terrible and it's creepy and it's, it would
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So they tweeted, quote, flip the genders and suddenly everyone sits up in horror.
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Remember, this was the promise of the mother, a neglected BBC funded drama playing a burly
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Daniel Craig was 34 at the time, 32 years younger than the film's leading lady, Anne
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And it turns out that people actually don't want to watch a 34 year old guy sleep with
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And can you, it's just such a double standard and the sexism.
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But yeah, if my aunt had cojones, she'd be my uncle, right?
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Like, yeah, if, if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.
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They can't flip because men and women are different.
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I know that the transgenderists today, the, the radical gender ideologues today think that
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That includes everyone from the feminists all the way to the transgenderists.
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They think men and women are exactly the same and they're, they're indistinguishable
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So yeah, duh, when you flip it, it's weird and people don't like it.
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That doesn't tell you about the problems of society.
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It tells you about the problems of your ideology.
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Dear Michael, I'm a law student running for class president on an anti-mask, anti-COVID
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Do you have any tips on how to persuade people to my side?
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And I actually, I guess I opened the show talking about this broad, broad point.
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I don't think you should make the argument from some abstract ideology.
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I don't think you should make the argument from some general rule that's going to hold at
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I think you should very narrowly focus the message, point out that for the vast majority
00:33:38.180
of people, COVID does not pose a real health risk, that the infection fatality rate for
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If you're under 65, you have a 99 point, at least a 99.5% chance of survival.
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And if you're a young person, as we're talking about these law school students, you have a
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99 point, something like 99.997% chance of survival.
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For teenagers, it's a 99.999% chance of survival.
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So the extraordinary measures to upend all of society don't seem to make a lot of sense.
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Furthermore, the vaccine, while it may protect you individually from hospitalization and
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death, does not protect you from, or does not prevent you in all cases from, from contracting
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the virus or from transmitting the virus as the CDC admits.
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So the vaccine mandate there, I think fails on the scientific front.
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From the legal standpoint, it's, it's kind of dubious.
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And from the political standpoint, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris both, uh, during the Trump
00:34:40.760
administration said they very likely wouldn't take the vaccine because they thought it was
00:34:44.500
rushed and they didn't trust the vaccine coming out from Trump.
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So now that they're in power, they've completely changed their point of view.
00:34:50.240
But this is a common point of view, the vaccine hesitancy as it's called on all sides of the
00:34:55.860
And I think there are plenty of good reasons to avoid the vaccine, including your own risk
00:35:01.820
There was a study that came out of UC Davis that said that, that young, certain young men
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are at greater risk from the vaccine than they are from the virus.
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We know that they had to pause the Johnson and Johnson vaccine because women died from
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We know that there is risk of myocarditis, pericarditis, there's risk of nerve damage.
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And so these might be small risks, but when you look at the broader risk profile from the
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virus itself, then the, the, the, the suggestion of a vaccine mandate, uh, seems a little less
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And so I would, I would make those really narrowly focused arguments and depending on
00:35:33.100
how lib your school is, you might lose, but at least you tell people what you really think
00:35:42.220
Uh, I'm a huge fan of your show and love hearing your insights.
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My question to you may seem really weird, but please hear me out and it'll make sense.
00:35:51.080
The reason I ask is because on one of your shows, you mentioned that you were a cousin
00:35:57.540
Unfortunately, I am also a distant cousin in law of Hillary Clinton, uh, though her,
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through her marriage to Bill Clinton, does this mean we are very distant cousins?
00:36:08.520
That would be super cool if we were, since I enjoy listening to your show and it would make
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me feel better about the unfortunate Clinton connection.
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if we were also related to you, the Lord bless you and keep you.
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I think, I think that may make us cousins, uh, but I, I suspect we could still probably
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Oh, well, we can't get married because I'm already married to someone else.
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But I, I, what I mean to say is I don't, you know, I don't think there would be worries
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I don't, I, something tells me we're not that closely related.
00:36:40.520
It reminds me of, of a great advice I, I once heard, which is that knowledge is knowing
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that a tomato is a fruit, but wisdom is knowing not to put it in fruit salad.
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So I think the knowledge here is that, yes, we, we very possibly are cousins, but, uh,
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I'm sure there's some distinction to be had between, uh, you know, our relation and our
00:37:02.960
relation to say our, um, our father's sister's children.
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There's a difference here, but nice to, nice to meet you, cousin from Arun.
00:37:12.800
Kofefe, do you think that prior to addressing matters of metaphysics, one should first understand
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That is, uh, a basic comprehension of the material world in the classical sense of the word.
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I ask because I've observed that while people on the right, like yourself and Steven Crowder
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take great care to research the science and statistics before opening on the COVID hoax,
00:37:32.500
leftists tend to begin with moral pronouncements about the public courtesy of wearing a mask and
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claim that those who refuse to do so are personally killing my grandma with their bare hands.
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Do you think the woke journalism majors at CNN would have greater moral clarity if they
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were required to master elementary statistics and biology before offering their opinions?
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Well, I actually think the two are inseparable.
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Uh, that is if you focus only on the physical world, you're going to miss something.
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And if you focus only on the metaphysical world, you're going to miss something too.
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And it's ironic that the left makes all these moral pronouncements because the left, at least
00:38:07.300
out of one side of their mouth, seems to hold this very materialist view of the world.
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That's, that's what the cult of science is getting at.
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They say that anything that we can't see and touch and put under a microscope is just not real.
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It's imaginary and we should completely ignore it.
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Then some other times they'll say that our bodies have nothing to do with who we really are.
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And if you, if you're a man who thinks he's a woman, you're really a woman.
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But the other part of the time they're saying, you know, the physical world is all that
00:38:32.300
And the reason the cult of science is so silly is that, um, well, the, the idea that
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the physical world is all that there is, is not physical in and of itself.
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So the idea of science kind of undercuts this, this, uh, this materialist view of things.
00:38:53.240
And I don't think we should even separate them very much either.
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I think that we need to recognize that the physical world has implications about the
00:39:02.560
I think it means that our bodies actually have a purpose.
00:39:08.100
We, we can know things from our bodies about what we should do with our bodies.
00:39:12.580
We can know things about this world, about what things are for.
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I can look at the leftist tears tumbler and I can know just from the physical nature of
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the leftist tears tumbler that the leftist tears tumbler is for delicious leftist tears,
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I can know what my, that my eyes are foreseeing.
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I can know, for instance, from the natural world that there is a God and I can, I can learn
00:39:38.680
So yes, the left needs to understand basic physics, but, but we, we really shouldn't
00:39:45.720
And I think sometimes on the right, we try to do that when we focus on, you know, telling
00:39:55.220
And, and the, the left obviously makes a similar mistake, but we've got to do all of it, man.
00:40:02.480
From Samantha, Michael, do you think people are born gay?
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I've had this debate with my boyfriend of several years and he does not believe that this
00:40:10.480
He feels that men are drawn to other men because of early sexual experiences in their lives.
00:40:14.520
And I feel just like how some guys are more attracted to a redhead over brunettes or
00:40:19.840
Gay men could also just be more drawn to men over women.
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I love your show and I can't wait to read Speechless.
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Well, my really sophisticated answer to this question is, uh, I don't know, right?
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I, I, I know some of my friends, some of my friends are really insistent that there is
00:40:44.080
Homosexuality is a persistent phenomenon everywhere in the world throughout all of human
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And, uh, and I only speak from my own personal experience, not on homosexuality, but on sexuality
00:40:58.400
You know, since I was a very, very young boy, I guess since my earliest memories, I have
00:41:05.080
You know, I'd be watching TV, I'd be watching Munsters reruns and I'd have, I was attracted
00:41:09.060
to the blonde girl and even the three, four years old.
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It's not as though I were sexually aware or conscious, but I knew I, I had an attraction
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So I, I, I can't help but imagine that gay guys might have a natural inclination toward
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I mean, this is a, this is a very strange and varied world here and people, you know, have
00:41:36.240
And so I don't think that implies that we therefore need to, I don't know, redefine
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marriage or, you know, encourage all sorts of attractions and say that if, you know, if
00:41:46.580
it's natural, do it or whatever, if it feels good, do it or anything like that.
00:41:50.040
I mean, you can have any sort of discussion you want on sexual ethics, uh, but, but I don't
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think that relies on, on there not being a natural inclination toward homosexuality.
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I just, I don't, I think it's sort of beside the point.
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If you're going to have a discussion on sexual ethics, I think it ought to presume that it's
00:42:09.080
a fallen world and there are lots of unusual things about this world and, uh, and, and
00:42:15.240
From Shane, Mr. Knowles, I find myself in a bit of a dilemma.
00:42:19.500
I've attempted a great many times through the years to attend church in a variety of denominations.
00:42:26.500
I've always felt judged and demeaned by the people in it.
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And most of the people acted as though it was just for bragging rights.
00:42:31.300
It was as if they went just to flout the fact that they went as opposed to wanting a spiritual
00:42:37.700
Any advice for a lost soul seeking a deeper connection to the divine?
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I have an answer and you might expect this coming from me, but hear me out.
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You should find not just a mass, you should find a Latin mass.
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You should go find a traditional Latin mass and you might not have Latin and you don't worry,
00:42:57.600
you have a little booklet you can follow along and it'll give you the English translation.
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But the reason you should find a traditional Latin mass is, well, there are many reasons,
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but the reason in your case is because the traditional Latin mass is not about you and
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it's not about the person sitting next to you in the pews and it's not about the people at all.
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Actually, the priest is not even facing the people.
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The priest is facing the altar and we're actually all facing the altar and it is all about the
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sacrifice that is taking place on the altar and it is all about God.
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And I think that that focus is going to resolve a lot of the problems that you're having in
00:43:35.520
whatever churches you've been going to, where it's people making it about them and which pew
00:43:39.960
they're sitting in and how upright they are and how they look and everyone's kind of looking at the
00:43:45.580
But in the traditional Latin mass, you really lose yourself.
00:43:51.120
The smells and the bells and the ritual and the liturgy is all, it's taking you completely
00:43:57.720
Even the fact that it's in a language that you might not be fluent in or familiar with
00:44:01.540
and you're following along in the English, that will take you out of yourself.
00:44:05.600
And I think that's, that is the stumbling block that you're describing right now.
00:44:09.760
And the best way that I know to figure out how to, how to get out of that problem is,
00:44:16.920
From Lucas, hey Michael, I'm a New Jersey resident.
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And as you may know, our governor's seat is up for grabs this November.
00:44:23.800
The Republican candidate, former Assemblyman Jack Chattarelli, just had his first debate
00:44:28.600
against incumbent Phil Murphy, or as my boss calls him, horse face.
00:44:32.600
However, as a true conservative who cares about cultural issues, I wasn't in love with some
00:44:41.980
I think these stances are tactical because in a deep blue state like Jersey, he has to
00:44:46.580
appear moderate even to have a chance of being elected.
00:44:49.040
Do you think Republican candidates in blue states should do what it takes to appear electable,
00:44:52.420
even if it means giving ground to the left or take a hard stance against the cultural
00:45:02.400
I think you should vote for the most right viable candidate.
00:45:07.360
Abortion kind of complicates this, but I think there can be an argument for voting for squishy
00:45:14.680
candidates if there is no better option available and if the leftist candidate poses a real threat.
00:45:20.400
I don't think there is an argument for real conservatives lying to the people when they run for office and
00:45:26.920
pretending to hold certain views to get elected so they won't hold those views afterward.
00:45:30.080
I think that's a bad thing and it speaks to a lack of integrity.
00:45:34.900
And so I would be skeptical about voting for someone like that.
00:45:37.960
But if you're in Jersey, you've got to live in reality.
00:45:40.240
You know, politics, politics at its best has a tight connection to reality.
00:45:44.980
And so I would recommend that you, you know, you make a prudential calculation there.
00:45:50.940
But there's far less of an argument for voting for that person if you think he's just being
00:46:01.020
I prefer the term practicing Catholic because I'm going to keep on practicing until I get it right.
00:46:08.420
I'm in a serious relationship with a guy who was raised Protestant but left the Christian faith
00:46:12.600
We've known how differently we view faith for the entire year we've been together.
00:46:16.400
But recently he started asking me what if questions about future children.
00:46:19.640
He seemed fixated on what if your son's gay and all I can do is tell him what the church
00:46:28.260
What would you do if you had a child come out as gay?
00:46:30.160
Obviously, I'd imagine you'd still love them and encourage them in Catholic teachings.
00:46:34.340
But would you attend their non-Catholic wedding if they had one?
00:46:37.120
Would you have relationships with their adopted children if they chose to have any?
00:46:41.420
I guess what I'm wondering is where's the line between not condoning certain actions
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Thanks for being such a spectacular role model for the faith.
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Yes, my little baby is the absolute apple of my eye.
00:46:52.400
And so, yes, I would love my child unconditionally, of course.
00:46:55.660
But I don't think I would be able to change my opinion on the definition of marriage.
00:47:03.160
And my faith would not permit me to attend a non—I don't even know if I'd be allowed
00:47:14.480
So I hope that I would raise him in such a way that he would have a great reverence for
00:47:17.960
that thing, regardless of his sexual desires or any of the other issues that can come up
00:47:24.260
So, yeah, I wouldn't abandon my faith and radically change my view of reality.
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Of course, as I love my gay friends and, you know, all sorts of things like that.
00:47:35.580
This reminds me of this question of, you know, the Julia Ioff, who said, you know,
00:47:41.600
you pro-lifers, what if we made the men take care of their kids?
00:47:45.600
And you say, yeah, yep, that sounds like a good idea.
00:47:47.780
You can be against killing babies and for men taking responsibility.
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Actually, it makes perfect sense to do all of that.
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You can do that, despite how viciously the left-wing media wants to portray us.
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