Ep. 970 - What Is A Woman？
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Ketanji Jackson has been in confirmation hearings for three days, during which time she has refused to say when she thinks life begins, pled ignorance when asked what a woman is, and defended her extremely light sentencing record for pedophiles.
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Joe Biden's Supreme Court nominee, Ketanji Jackson, has been in confirmation hearings for
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three days, during which time she has refused to say when she thinks life begins.
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She pled ignorance when she was asked what a woman is, and she defended her extremely light
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sentencing record for pedophiles. It has not been a great first week for her, and Democrats are now
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scrambling to stop the bleeding, as the chairman of the proceedings, Dick Durbin, demonstrated
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yesterday when he refused to let the judge answer a simple question from Ted Cruz.
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Your child pornography possession crime was egregious in the court's view. Okay, so this is a bad one.
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If you're actually sentencing defendants, you said this was egregious. What did you sentence Stuart for?
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The guidelines said 9,721 months. Prosecutors said 97 months. You said it's egregious. 6,700 images.
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You come in with 57 months. Why did you sentence into just 57 months in the Stuart case? Do you want
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to address that? Does she want to address that? No, she does not want to address that. Judge Jackson
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had already lost her temper as Republicans focused in on her strange record of letting pedophiles off
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the hook. But she didn't even have the chance to address the record by responding to Cruz's question
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because Dick Durbin started talking over both her and Cruz and did everything that he could
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to move on. You're not recognized, Senator. Senator Coons. You don't want her to answer that question?
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You wouldn't allow her anything. Mr. Chairman, she may answer the question. I've asked her why
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she sentence Stuart. You're going over the time, Senator, by two minutes and a half.
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Why she, because you've interrupted me for two minutes, Mr. Chairman. Will you allow her to answer
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the question or do you not want the American people to hear why with someone she described
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as an egregious... There's a point, Senator, where you get a little bit...
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Chairman Durbin, will you allow her to answer the question?
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You won't allow her to answer the question. I will happily allow her to... Why are you not
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allowing her to answer the question? There's not another senator here that you've not allowed
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her to answer the question. I'm not asking another question, but allow her to answer the
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question, Chairman Durbin. Thank you, Chairman Durbin.
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Why do you not want the American people to know what happened in the Stuart case or any of these
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cases? Chairman Durbin, I've never seen the chairman refuse to allow a witness to answer
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a question. You can bang it as loud as you want. I can just tell you, at some point you
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have to follow the rules. Okay, will you let her answer the question? You've been interrupting
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and by the way, with Senator Graham, it went 10 minutes over. You've taken a big chunk of
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the time. Will you allow her to answer the question? You've given her... Why are you afraid
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of her? She's welcome to answer it right now. Will you let her? Senator Coons.
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This is really masterful stuff here from Cruz. You can tell, if you didn't already know it before,
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the guy has stagecraft. You can tell that he's argued cases before the Supreme Court.
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Every time Durbin tries to get the last word to insinuate, dishonestly, that Cruz doesn't want
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Ketanji Jackson to answer the question, Cruz cuts back in. No, you won't let her answer the question.
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No, you won't let her answer. No, you won't. No, you won't. And it's back and forth and back and
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forth. And it sounds like a middle school playground, but Cruz is doing it for a reason.
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After Cruz makes a scene and the clip goes viral, there is no mistaking it. Cruz wants her to answer
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the question. He wants to give her time to do that. Durbin wants her to keep her mouth shut.
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And Durbin's right to do that because he knows that Ketanji Jackson's answers on pedophiles,
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on life, on womanhood. They are not going to play very well in Peoria. In just three days,
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Ketanji Jackson has proven herself to be either the stupidest nominee in the history of the court
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or the most radical. She will be confirmed. There is almost no question about that. But she'll be
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exposed to, as will every Democrat who votes for her. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show.
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Welcome back to the show. My favorite comment yesterday is from William C.,
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who says, interesting that someone whose nomination rested almost entirely on being a woman
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cannot define what a woman is. That's not fair. That is not fair. Her nomination also rested on her
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being black. That is not fair. Biden made it very clear. He said, I will pick a black woman. So it is
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This clip has gone viral. This clip, we played it yesterday. Let's just play it again.
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Marsha Blackburn, Republican Senator from Tennessee, asked Ketanji Jackson,
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can you give a definition of the word woman? Can you provide a definition for the word woman?
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Can I provide a definition? No. Yeah. I can't. You can't?
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Not in this context. I'm not a biologist. So you believe the meaning of the word woman
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is so unclear and controversial that you can't give me a definition?
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She can. She's not a biologist. This clip has gone viral. It's gone viral in part because this
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gender issue has taken over the country. You see it with the NCAA controversy. There's a man named
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Will Thomas who beat all the girls in the girls' swimming match, and he gets the trophy and everyone's
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supposed to be okay with that. You see it with the bathroom bills. You see it with all sorts of new
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legislation. And conservatives are flabbergasted by this. We think this is so
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beyond caricature. It's so beyond absurdity. But I am worried sometimes that we are not giving the
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best argument for the other side, or that we simply don't understand what the other side is saying.
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So in the interest of actually hearing out the other side, I'm very pleased to bring on David
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Pakman, who is the host of The David Pakman Show. It's a nationally syndicated progressive TV show
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and radio show. I'm always really grateful to progressives who come on this show. We invite
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lots of them on. Very often they say no. Sometimes they come on. So just to make sure we're not
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strawmanning anything, let's bring on David. David, thank you so much for coming on the show.
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It's a unique pleasure to be here, Michael. Thank you.
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So, David, you saw the clip. You've been watching the Ketanji Jackson hearings.
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Am I crazy or should a twice Harvard educated nominee, federal judge nominee for the Supreme
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Court, who is a woman, be able to define what a woman is?
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I can't say if you're crazy. That would be for a mental health professional.
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You're either dishonest or ignorant, and we can maybe figure out which. So here's the deal.
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I mean, you know what? We're just meeting each other. I'm sort of kidding around. But here's
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the deal. There are no instances where when issues come before the Supreme Court, it comes
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down to the dictionary definition of a word when it comes to who counts as a woman or what
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is discrimination or what is negligence. It's always in very narrow circumstances where dictionary
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definitions do almost nothing for you. So she was very smart not to play into these kind
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of rhetorical black holes, because whatever definition she gives, Michael, she then is
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going to be pushed into some corner with some case or article or book she hasn't read, by the
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way. And there's no upside to it. So if we're just having a good faith conversation about strategy,
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she did the right thing. Almost 60 percent of Americans believe she's qualified and she
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is. And that's really all there is to it. It's kind of boring.
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Well, I agree with her. I don't agree with you that it's boring. I think it's one of the
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most interesting questions in the country that we're now at a point where we can no longer
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even define man or woman. But I do agree with you on strategy. She's in a very tough spot
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because her side of the aisle and she's relatively leftist, even by the standards of the Democratic
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Party. So on her side of the aisle, there is a new definition of woman. Well, they haven't given
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the definition of woman, but it's it's not the old definition of woman, which is a person who's
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not a man that is out because of the transgender movement. And so she knows that if she gives this
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new definition, which is a woman is. I don't know, a woman is someone who says that he or she is a
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woman that's going to alienate, I think, the majority, the vast majority of Americans. If she gives
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the old definition that a woman is a female human being and a female is of or denoting the sex that
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can bear children and reproduce and produce eggs, for instance, she knows that that will alienate her
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base. And she knows that that now is apparently controversial in the law after the Bostock decision,
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after other transgender decisions. So I understand the strategy. But what about the law? What about
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the definition? You say she doesn't she shouldn't be quoting the dictionary. Well, fine. Shouldn't
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she at least be able to give the legal definition of a woman? Shouldn't she, a woman, have some sense
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of what that is? I'm not a meteorologist. I can tell you if it's raining. Yeah, there is no legal
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definition of a woman. And that's exactly the point. The point here is when it comes to the court,
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the court is in a position or will be in a position or might be in a position to decide for the
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purposes of a particular set of facts based on a claim brought by someone who appeals a case about
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these issues. And so it's it's literally irrelevant to her job as a Supreme Court justice. And so again,
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we can have a cultural discussion outside of the context of the Supreme Court in the Senate's job in
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evaluating. Is she qualified? It's an irrelevant question. And by her qualifications, she's she's more
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qualified than any of the nine justices currently on the court. There's no way to deny that. I think
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you can, because I think all of the nine justices on the court can tell you what a woman is. And so
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I know we're getting back to do that. No, nobody's ever been asked to define words in this way during
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hearings. So you could speculate that, but they've never been asked. They've never been asked. I've
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never been, but I, I, I, as a gambling man, I would bet the farm that a justice Alito could tell you
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what a woman is, but you're right. They've never been asked because it's never been controversial
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before. But I want to get to a point you just made. You said there's no legal definition of a
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woman, but there must be because there are legal protections specifically for women. So if we don't
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know what a woman is, then title three thing and title nine and title nine is quite controversial.
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Good faith conversation or one that's in some way productive, you know,
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you're saying you and I, or you're saying Ketanji Jackson.
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Yeah. I don't know if, I mean, listen, the Republican senators obviously didn't want to have a good
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faith conversation. I was, I was talking about you and I, Michael.
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Yes. Well, I do want to, I mean, this, this is why I'm granting you the, you're making the point
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on political strategy. I totally grant you that. That was the right move for her to make if she
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wants to avoid it. But, but then bring up title nine. I mean, there is, there are legal protections
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for women. This is coming before the court. It's come before the court in the last term. They're
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going to be a lot more cases coming before the court coming up. It seems extraordinarily relevant
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that we know what this woman thinks of these issues and of a basic question of biology and human
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nature. What is a woman? I mean, I don't think that's a bad faith question for the senators or
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for me to ask. No, it's so it's not necessarily bad faith, but we have to be able to, as I, what I
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hope are reasonable people, Michael, understand that in the context of her role as a Supreme Court
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justice, it doesn't come down to a biological opinion. Like do, is that, can you at least grant
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that piece? It's true that for what the Supreme Court decides, these are narrow issues where when it
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comes to Obamacare's constitutionality, which Amy Coney Barrett never, you know, would refuse to
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weigh in on or what, with all of these things, these are really narrow legal decisions and there
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is no way in which a dictionary definition of terms does anything for us. Well, it might do
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something, but I grant your point a little bit, except that Marsha Blackburn didn't ask for the
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biological definition or the dictionary definition. That's what Ketanji Jackson added. She said,
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I'm not a biologist, but all Marsha Blackburn asked was just tell me what a woman is from a
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legal perspective, a constitutional perspective, a philosophical, I mean, whatever, whatever.
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That's literally not what Marsha Blackburn said. I would encourage you to pull the clip and identify
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the time at which she said that. She said she didn't mention biology and she didn't mention
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the dictionary. She said, what's the difference? But you just asserted that she said she wanted the
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legal and philosophical. She never said it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I didn't say that. I said she,
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no, no, I, I just said Marsha Blackburn asked for the definition,
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any sort of definition that Ketanji Jackson could give of woman. She didn't specify biology.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Hold on a second. Let's, let's be clear.
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30 seconds ago, you said Marsha Blackburn didn't ask for the biological.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I didn't.
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Okay, but I, you're misrepresenting what I said.
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No, I'm not. I would encourage the audience to rewind.
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I, I would encourage that. I would encourage that as well.
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But first, but can I even get it out or is that, I mean, it's okay. The problem with what you just
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did, Michael, is you just said Blackburn asked for the legal definition and I said, no, she didn't.
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And you said, no, that's true. She actually just asked for the definition.
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No, I'm sorry. Well then if, if either you misheard or it seemed that I misspoke, I'll be
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very clear. She, Marsha Blackburn just said, what's the definition of a woman? She didn't specify
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anything else. Now, you then said that biology has no place here or that the dictionary definition
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has no place, but that's not what Marsha Blackburn asked for. She just asked a simple question.
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Well, understand that in these Supreme Court hearings, the senators can ask the questions
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however they want and the nominees can answer them however they want.
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My opinion is, this is my opinion and you can have a different one and that's the great
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thing about America, Michael. My opinion is that if you're interviewing for the job of
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Supreme Court justice, it's reasonable to assume the questions have a legal bearing as to your
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role on the court. Given that Judge Jackson was right to understand the point of the question
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is to back her into a rhetorical corner about legal definitions and she was right to say it's not
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something I can answer. These are narrow issues when they come before the court and there's no reason
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that she would ask such a question. When I, do you know this guy, Jesse Lee Peterson? Have you heard
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of him? I know Jesse Lee Peterson. When I was on with Jesse, he said to me, David, define what love
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is and what a man is. And it's a, it's a really common rhetorical technique for the bad faith,
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right? To start with just pick a word and define it and use it to back someone into a rhetorical
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corner. It's a waste of time, Michael. Let's teach, let's talk about real issues, please.
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Okay. Oh, I, I think that as a philosophical issue, but certainly as a legal issue to the
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definition of a woman does matter, has mattered recently and will matter soon. But, but I, I,
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I at least agree with you on the strategy. You have not convinced me of a judge Jackson's,
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uh, good faith, uh, confirmation hearing, but you have convinced me that she is a wise politician
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and that she's, uh, she's playing her hand the best that she can. Before I let you go, David,
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I know we're like way over. I, I'm not, I am really not playing the game of giving you some
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impossible thing to define. But since the question of woman is up in the air, everyone's arguing over
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what it means these days. Do you have either you yourself or you speaking for the progressives?
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Do you have a working definition that you would use?
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No, I don't do, like I told Jesse Lee Peterson and there's so many, this, this interview is feeling
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a lot like that one. Interestingly enough, um, I don't do dictionary. I do politics. And so now I
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just, I don't spend time defining words and here's, here's the, in all seriousness, Michael,
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um, fit, let's now talk philosophically. Really? We're talking, you know, man to man. Now
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dictionaries are descriptive, not proscriptive. So they're prescriptive sometimes too, but yeah,
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but they can be descriptive. They can be, they are descriptive and prescriptive as well,
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right? The word definition, by definition, humans decide what to put in the dictionary,
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right? So they're just, these are descriptive. But they put it there because the words means at
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the time believe. Yeah. I mean, we could, we could go down a tangent on prescriptivism versus
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descriptivism and that might be good for a future appearance. I don't know if it's a tangent, but
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I know it's, it would be a very good discussion. And, uh, and I, I think it would be great to have
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you back. I appreciate that. I truly, truly appreciate your coming on and giving, uh, the progressive
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perspective on this. And I hope to have you back on the show. Where can people find you in the
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meantime? DavidPakman.com. And it's been my unbridled pleasure to provide you these insights.
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Ketanji Jackson has had a really tough time on the Supreme Court confirmation hearings. She,
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as we just discussed, can't define what a woman is. She cannot define when life begins. She has this
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tough issue where she's been light on sentencing pedophiles. There's another issue that almost no
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one is talking about. It's not the most radical thing she said, but it's pretty out there.
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Ketanji Jackson, while she was describing various cases that she has heard as a judge,
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she praised a really radical cult called the African Hebrew Israelites.
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Even areas of the law that you might think apply only to businesses impact real people
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at times. So this case involved a small community, a cultural community of people who believe in
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vegan lifestyles. They call themselves the African Hebrew Israelites, but it's not a religious
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community. It's a cultural community around healthy living. And they have created a restaurant and a
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series of restaurants here in the Washington, D.C. area with menus involving really, I'm told,
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terrific vegan foods. And in this community, there was a member who was the one who created
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the recipes and who was responsible for the restaurant. The whole community had other aspects
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to it. It's a cultural community. It's a vegan community. It's not religious. The African Hebrew
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Israelites, this got my ears up because I have heard of the African Hebrew Israelites, sometimes called
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the black Israelites, sometimes just called the Hebrew Israelites. And there are different groups of
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them, but they're in New York, they're in D.C. They're all over the country. They're actually all over
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the world. And it's a group of black nationalists who believe that the Jews are not really the Jews
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and that black people are actually the Jews, the Israelites described in the Bible. And when you meet
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them in New York and D.C., they're usually hurling all sorts of vicious racial and sexual slurs at people.
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Actually, the Covington kids, you remember the Covington pro-life kids who were yelled at by the crazy
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Native American man banging the drum. Well, the group that first started yelling at them was a
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group of the Hebrew Israelites. Ketanji Jackson is saying, one, they're not religious. Two, they're
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this nice, wonderful community. Seems very strange to me. The left is already running interference.
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They're saying conservatives are confusing black Israelite sects in labeling Ketanji Brown Jackson
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as soft on anti-Semitism. And they're saying, well, lots of people like townhall.com and Ben
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Dominic and other conservatives are confusing them. Yes, there are the Hebrew Israelites that are
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vicious and anti-Semitic and racist and terrible. But then there are the nice Hebrew Israelites. And
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there are different groups. And you're an idiot if you're confusing them. So I just did about five
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minutes of Googling. And that's not true. It's true that there are different associations and
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different sects of the Hebrew Israelites. But it's not true that they have different views on
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who the real Jews are. And it's not true that they're not a religious group. You just go to the
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specific group that was involved in Ketanji Jackson's case. You go to their website, the African Hebrew
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Israelites of Jerusalem, about us. They talk about their religious views. The very first line is,
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most of the time around the world, when men speak of the kingdom of God, they do so metaphorically.
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But we do not. We're talking in real life. So the very first line is a religious line.
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The historical background is that they are the ancient Israelites. And then they were driven
00:23:05.300
to Africa. And then from West Africa, they were brought by the Europeans on slave ships. So
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this is the group. This is the group that believes that the Jews are not really the Jews and the black
00:23:16.160
people are the real Jews. They're obviously a religious community. It's not just a group of vegans.
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It's not just like your hippie sister who decides she's not going to eat meat for a while. This is
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a group. If they eat a vegan diet, it is coming out of their religious underpinning. And so it brings us
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back to this point about Ketanji Jackson. Either she's the stupidest nominee that's ever come before
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the court. She doesn't know a damn thing about any of the cases she's worked on or even what a woman is.
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Or she's a liar and the most radical. Which is it? I fear that it is the latter. Not great stuff. When
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So Ketanji Jackson has been having this terrible, terrible week in her confirmation hearings.
00:25:21.580
And then it finally came back to this issue after the Hebrew Israelites, after the what is a woman thing,
00:25:27.240
after on and on and on, it finally came back to what many consider the most damning
00:25:32.240
argument against her confirmation, that she's soft on kiddie porn and child pornographers. And she
00:25:39.280
got a little hot under the collar defending it. In comes the internet. On the internet,
00:25:44.880
with one click, you can receive, you can distribute tens of thousands. You can be doing this for 15
00:25:55.220
minutes. And all of a sudden, you are looking at 30, 40, 50 years in prison.
00:26:03.560
Good. Good. Absolutely good. I hope you are. Good. Allow her to finish, please. I hope you go to jail
00:26:10.720
for 50 years. If you're on the internet trolling for images of children and sexual exploitation. So
00:26:16.900
you don't think that's a bad thing. I think that's a horrible thing. That's not what the witness said.
00:26:21.020
That's not what the witness, I mean, I guess it is sort of what the witness said. But anyway,
00:26:24.480
moving on, moving on. Gavel, gavel, gavel. This was an expertly laid trap and Ketanji Jackson fell
00:26:31.000
into it because this is what she really believes. She says, look, now it's so easy to spread child
00:26:35.660
pornography. And so if you apply the same sentencing guidelines from before the internet to the internet,
00:26:43.020
people are going to go to jail for a really long time. And Lindsey Graham says, yeah, good.
00:26:45.940
Isn't that good? Don't you want child pornographers to go to jail for a long time?
00:26:52.020
And she says, oh, oops, I just revealed I don't. And I don't think it's because Ketanji Jackson's
00:26:56.700
a pedophile. I think it's because she's a radical. I think it's because she's an ideologue who believes
00:27:02.140
that criminals should face much lighter sentences and who believes that we have an over-incarceration
00:27:08.260
problem and who believes that we need criminal justice reform and it's society's fault and we need
00:27:12.300
to go light. And so whatever the reason, I mean, you're talking about some of the more heinous
00:27:17.720
offenders out here. And even for them, she's saying we're going to go a lot lighter. So lots of red
00:27:22.840
flags in this woman's, I'm sorry, I'm not a biologist. I can't call her a woman. Lots of red flags in this
00:27:27.920
person's hearing. And yet the establishment left loves her. Joy Behar on The View says, this woman is
00:27:36.400
perfect. Here you have a woman, Ketanji, who reminded me of Obama a little bit because he was
00:27:45.020
also perfect. He had nothing wrong going on. So what you have here are 50 senators who are going
00:27:51.200
to vote against this woman who is above reproach. And the first black woman in that position, that is
00:27:58.760
going to be on their record. And that's why they're asking these dumb questions so that they can have
00:28:03.980
something to bring back to their constituency when they go home and say, well, look at, she doesn't
00:28:09.520
believe that babies are racist or whatever the hell they were talking about. Who even knows what
00:28:13.440
they're talking about? But they need something because it's an embarrassment to the country
00:28:18.100
to vote against a woman of this caliber. She's perfect. She reminds me of Obama.
00:28:25.280
She reminds you of Obama because she's black. That's what you're saying.
00:28:30.860
And she brings it back to race at the end too. So first she goes, this woman, she reminds me of
00:28:36.400
Obama. And then I think Joy Behar realized that she was making a comment that was extremely
00:28:41.220
condescending and obviously very racial. So she said, because they're both perfect.
00:28:45.580
But then she brings it back to race at the end, right? She says, and black people need to be perfect
00:28:49.500
for these awful racist Republicans to get by. That's preposterous. A white person in Ketanji
00:28:57.240
Jackson's, with her record, with her background, would not be, she wouldn't even be nominated for
00:29:04.360
the Supreme Court right now. We know that because Joe Biden explicitly said, I'm only going to pick
00:29:08.660
a black woman. We're going to get a diversity hire. There might be qualified white guys or Asian
00:29:13.680
guys or Hispanic guys or other women, but only a black woman. She says, well, you're at a disadvantage
00:29:19.620
if you're black. No, not according to, not according to Joe Biden, not according to affirmative
00:29:24.100
action, not according to the law. So no, because she's perfect. Well, let's see. She can't define
00:29:29.960
what life is. She's defending pedophiles and she doesn't know what a woman is. She herself,
00:29:33.980
a woman. Doesn't sound all that perfect to me. Just like Obama, he was perfect. Barack Obama is
00:29:38.500
this Chicago machine politician. One of the more corrupt presidents, not the most corrupt,
00:29:44.080
one of the more corrupt presidents we've had in recent memory, but he's perfect. No drama Obama,
00:29:50.680
no scandals on his watch. Like the IRS targeting scandal, channeling the federal bureaucracy against
00:29:56.880
your political opponents. Like the Fast and Furious scandal, like the Benghazi scandal. Like,
00:30:00.940
no, he's perfect. Forget about it. Hear no evil, see no evil, no way. The whole motivation,
00:30:08.140
the whole motivation here to support this woman is for her race and for her sex,
00:30:14.800
her sex that she cannot even define. This brings me to, speaking of women and speaking of perfection,
00:30:25.280
Nancy Pelosi, devout practicing Catholic, Nancy Pelosi. Nancy has just come out to defend what
00:30:32.080
we are told is the women's issue now, abortion. And she says she is defending abortion as a devout
00:30:37.880
practicing Catholic. Again, it isn't about what is your religious belief. It's what is the right of
00:30:46.140
people to make their own decisions about the sizing in time or if they're going to have a family.
00:30:52.500
This really gets me burned up, in case you didn't notice, because, again, I'm very Catholic,
00:30:59.240
devout, practicing, all of that. They would like to throw me out, but I'm not going.
00:31:04.540
Ha, ha, ha, ha. They want to throw me out of the Catholic Church, but I'm not going anywhere,
00:31:13.800
because I'm a devout, practicing Catholic. If you're a devout, practicing Catholic,
00:31:16.800
why do they want to throw you out? Because you're not a devout, practicing Catholic,
00:31:21.340
because you don't believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church, you don't practice the Catholic
00:31:25.560
faith, and because you, Nancy Pelosi, are in a state of public, scandalous, grave mortal sin
00:31:31.360
that imperils your eternal soul with every breath that you waste, every unrepentant breath that you
00:31:38.940
waste defending the slaughter of babies. That's why. I know that we're living in this postmodern world
00:31:47.240
now where we get to define anything as anything else, and words have no meaning. That was actually
00:31:51.460
part of what David and I were talking about. He said, words are just whatever we say they are,
00:31:54.700
right? That was the descriptivism, prescriptivism debate. If I say I'm a woman, I'm a woman. Well,
00:31:59.020
how do you define that? Well, I can't define it, because it's just whatever I want it to be.
00:32:02.660
That's a very new, very silly, very modern idea, and whatever else you want to say about the
00:32:08.660
Catholic Church, it's not a new and modern institution, and you don't just get to say,
00:32:13.260
I'm a Catholic. There's a group called Catholics for Choice. It's a group of pro-abortion
00:32:18.900
apostate Catholics, I guess, and they're obviously not practicing, and they say, well, I can be a Catholic
00:32:25.900
if I say I am. No, you can't. Catholicism, Christianity, traditionally, relies on the
00:32:33.380
sacrament of baptism, and you're practicing the faith, and you can be excommunicated, and you
00:32:38.420
can be in a state of grave mortal sin, and Nancy Pelosi's either got to get right with her faith,
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or acknowledge that she doesn't really adhere to the faith of Catholicism. She adheres to the
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woman has become a national phenomenon. I was just debating with David Pakman. He couldn't give
00:34:43.400
the definition. It's not that he couldn't. He wouldn't give the definition because, as he admitted
00:34:47.560
politically, this is a total loser for the left because they don't have a definition for it.
00:34:53.180
Marsha Blackburn asked this question. Well, our very own Matt Walsh has been working stealthily for
00:34:59.660
many months now on a secret mission, on a movie, a man going all over to answer one simple question.
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I have traveled all over the world for the past year asking one simple question.
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What is a woman? What is it? What is it? I don't know.
00:35:33.560
I've been asking everybody this and almost nobody can answer it.
00:35:47.360
I think this interview is over. Let's turn off the cameras.
00:35:58.900
It's not a complicated question, but it is a very, very complicated answer, apparently.
00:36:05.580
And Matt has, I don't think he's gotten it yet. We'll see. The movie's coming out soon. It's going
00:36:09.660
to be absolutely terrific. We as conservatives need to be able to give an answer because Matt
00:36:16.160
kicked off this trend. Now, a lot of people are catching on to it, Senator Blackburn and others.
00:36:23.080
But what's the answer? There is an answer, you know, despite David not giving it earlier,
00:36:30.140
despite the Ketanji Jackson not giving it earlier, there is an answer. A woman is an adult female
00:36:37.600
human. But Michael, what is a female, right? That would be the next question. A female is of
00:36:44.800
or denoting the sex that can bear children or produce eggs. But Michael, you say, not all women
00:36:55.760
are fertile. Not all women can bear children. That's true. Michael, not all women can even
00:37:02.260
produce eggs. That's exceedingly rare that a woman can't produce any eggs. But sure, it can happen.
00:37:08.600
That still doesn't change the definition because those women are still of the sex that can bear
00:37:15.920
children and produce eggs. They are not men. What is a man? A man is an adult male human being. This is
00:37:25.860
amazing that in the year of our Lord, 2022, we have to give these definitions because America has
00:37:30.400
forgotten it. A male is, or a man is an adult male human. What is a male? A male is of or denoting
00:37:38.420
the sex that produces mobile gametes, small mobile gametes, especially sperm that can impregnate a woman
00:37:50.460
that can fertilize an egg. That's, well, what about a man whose swimmers don't work? They remain
00:37:57.560
of the sex that can do those things. They are not women who have a different definition. This is
00:38:07.540
what happens when you open the dictionary and you just look at the definition. For now,
00:38:13.060
the definition is going to change. This is where David Pakman makes a very good point. He says,
00:38:16.900
sometimes definitions just change based on describing how we use words. That's true.
00:38:22.620
The definition that has existed from the dawn of time until five minutes ago, and it's still in
00:38:27.880
the dictionaries because the libs haven't changed them yet, says that that is what a man is and that
00:38:33.240
is what a woman is. Why does the dictionary say that? David, as he pointed out in his descriptivism
00:38:38.820
comments, would say, well, it just says that because that's what human beings agreed upon. But that's not
00:38:43.640
true. It is true that sometimes words evolve over time and the politically correct try to change words to
00:38:50.620
contradict their meaning. But also, words have definitions because they refer to something that
00:38:56.740
is actually real. A word is a symbol and it refers to the symbolized, which is a real thing. And a man
00:39:02.640
is a real thing. And a woman is a real thing. And that definition really, really matters. This is not
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just some frivolous joke. This is not just some bad faith discussion. This is not just Matt Walsh
00:39:13.140
getting some lols by making a movie. This is not just Republicans scoring cheap points by asking an
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00:39:25.220
self-understanding. There are a lot of laws that refer to protections for men and women. If the
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definition of woman suddenly becomes man, those protections completely go away. If we as a society
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can't even agree on what any words mean, we can't communicate and govern ourselves. But surely,
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if we can't agree on the most basic definitions of the most basic aspects of life, then we don't have a
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It seems like our whole culture is changing, being upended, being reset. The World Economic
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Forum has called for a great reset, specifically around the COVID lockdowns. You've heard for years,
00:43:19.700
conspiracy theories, crazy tinfoil hat conspiracy theories about a new world order. Those nuts who
00:43:26.800
mentioned the new world order, which President George H.W. Bush talked about, which lots of
00:43:33.940
leading statesmen have talked about in our history, and which President Joe Biden mentioned just the
00:43:39.000
You know, we are at an inflection point, I believe, in the world economy, not just the world economy,
00:43:45.580
in the world. It occurs every three or four generations. As one of them, as the one of the
00:43:51.780
top military people said to me in a secure meeting the other day, 60 million people died between 1900 and
00:43:59.600
1946. And since then, we established a liberal world order, and that hadn't happened in a long while.
00:44:07.380
A lot of people died, but nowhere near the chaos. And now is a time when things are shifting.
00:44:12.960
We're going to, there's going to be a new world order out there, and we've got to lead it. We've
00:44:17.200
got to unite the rest of the free world in doing it.
00:44:20.160
New world order. So when you hear this phrase, everyone's eyes open, everyone's ears perk up,
00:44:24.420
what are you talking about a new world order? I thought that wasn't real. I thought that was a
00:44:26.920
crazy conspiracy theory. Well, Biden is referring to one. And what is it? I don't think that the new
00:44:31.640
world order is reptilians from Mars dressed up in human suits. Maybe Hillary, maybe Bill,
00:44:38.160
maybe Fauci. I'm not sold that they are not reptilians dressed up in human suits. But for
00:44:44.400
most of the people talking about this, I think they're ordinary people with utopian and terrible
00:44:51.340
goals. When George H.W. Bush was talking about the new world order, what was he talking about? He was
00:44:55.720
talking about the end of the Cold War, this new period of American hegemony all around the world
00:45:02.480
where the sole superpower, we're going to run everything and things are going to be great.
00:45:06.380
And how are they going to be great? Basically through the expansion of global markets. So we're
00:45:11.060
going to spread neoliberalism, we're going to spread globalism, we're going to spread the American
00:45:16.880
economic and political order all the way around the world. The regimes are going to have to get much
00:45:22.880
more democratic, much more open to free trade. If they're not, well, there might be some problems
00:45:28.200
for those regimes. You might have to topple those regimes. And that'll be unpleasant. There'll be
00:45:32.120
some wars. But once that happens, once we topple all the autocrats, then we're going to have this
00:45:36.060
free, flourishing, liberal, democratic world, and we're all going to live in peace and harmony,
00:45:40.860
kumbaya. And we pursued that policy for a very long time. A lot of the wars in the Middle East
00:45:46.740
had that idea underpinning them. A lot of the economic policies regarding China, allowing China
00:45:55.100
into the World Trade Organization, really normalizing relations with China. The idea
00:45:59.180
was, well, if we open up trade with China, that's going to make the regime less autocratic. How has
00:46:03.900
that worked out? Not very well. How did the predictions that Joe Biden specifically made
00:46:07.700
that rising China would be great for the world, great for China, great for everyone, that didn't work
00:46:11.500
out very well. But they keep pushing it because they believe that unless the entire world is
00:46:17.220
basically operating under the same kind of political regime and economic regime, then there's going to
00:46:22.140
be war. And so we need war so that we can prevent the war in the future. That was the idea. It's a very
00:46:28.060
utopian kind of idea. And it hasn't worked out very well. I would humbly recommend, rather than
00:46:34.880
continuing to pursue the new world order, maybe we look at some of the older world orders.
00:46:41.500
Maybe we make our goals a little more realistic. We have a little bit more humility in our goals.
00:46:49.520
Because if we get a little too ambitious and we want to remake the entire world in the image of
00:46:54.120
America, we might end up losing America. We might end up losing our borders. We might end up losing
00:46:58.840
our culture. We might end up losing our solidarity and our love of country. We might end up losing our
00:47:04.380
minds to the point that we can't even define what a baby is and what a woman is. Oh, that's all
00:47:09.940
already happened. Right. Maybe we need a little less ambitious of a foreign policy and a little
00:47:17.880
more care and attention paid, not to the global citizens of the world where borders don't matter,
00:47:22.920
but to the citizens of the United States and recognize you're not going to get rid of wars.
00:47:27.900
You're not going to get rid of autocrats. You're not going to solve centuries, sometimes millennia
00:47:33.500
long conflicts with some platitudes that came out of a 1960s economic textbook from the United States
00:47:40.660
that maybe these long simmering issues in the Middle East, in Africa, in Eastern Europe, in Crimea for
00:47:47.640
that matter, that these are a little more complicated and they require a little bit more humility.
00:47:55.920
Because now things are really spiraling out of control. There's a politician who wants to go back
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in time, but to a very specific period of time. This is a Russian politician, parliament member Oleg
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Matvechev, who usually speaks on behalf of the Kremlin. And he dropped this idea during an
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appearance on Russian state TV, according to the Daily Mail. He wants to take back Alaska.
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See, Alaska used to belong to the Russians and then America got Alaska. And now this guy wants
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Alaska back for Russia. He says he demands the return of all Russian properties, those of the Russian
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empire, the Soviet Union and current Russia, which has been seized in the United States. And
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so on. That was my next point. Alaska, we want Antarctica. We discovered it so it belongs to us.
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This Russian parliament member, Mr. Oleg, sounds pretty much indistinguishable from an American
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liberal, an American campus liberal who signs their emails, you know, signed so and so. I acknowledge
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that I am on the land of the Chikani tribe and this is our land, their land that was taken unjustly,
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but you know, we need to give the land back to the Indians or back to the Mexicans or back to the
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French. I don't know, but we need to, whoever else was here before us, anyone but America gets the land.
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My favorite part is when they say we have to give the land back to the Indians. The question is,
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well, which Indians? This, they even, when they put it in their signatures, they say,
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I acknowledge I'm on the land that was formerly belonged to the Apache and the Comanche and the
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this she and the that she. And you say, okay, well, how did the land belong to all of those people?
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They all just shared it. They were all kind of just one. It, oh no, that the land belonged to those
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tribes at different times. Well, why did the land change possession? Oh, right. Cause the Comanche
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came in and took it from the Apache. Oh, okay. So are we, are we going to give it back to the
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Apache or we're going to give it back to the Comanche or we're just going to keep it ourselves
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because we took it from the Comanche? How come the Comanche get to take it, but we don't get to take
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it. How come the law of conquest works for every other group in the history of the world, except for
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us? Are we going to give it back to the Russians? The American left after simping for Russia for a
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hundred years. Now they are pretending to hate Russia and accusing the conservatives of being
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pro-Russia. But what are we going to do? Are we going to give it back to the Russians? I don't
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think so, Mr. Oleg. I think there's something called finders keepers and buyers keepers and
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secretary of state Seward bought that land for us and we're going to keep it. And good luck if you
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want to invade the land, your invasion of, of Ukraine, which everyone thought was going to be so
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swift and oh, here come the Russians. Well, you're bogged down in that. So good luck,
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go invade Russia. Bring it on, bring it on, buddy. I don't think so. If we're, if we're going to
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return to a more stable, sane, humble foreign policy, then we should be a little more realistic.
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This Russian parliament member seems more ambitious and crazy than Woodrow Wilson, than
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George W. Bush and his most Wilsonian initiatives, but far, far crazier than all of that.
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Where's the justification? You know, Pope Francis, I do want to get to this before we go. Pope Francis
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says, not only is the war in Ukraine not just, but there is no such thing as a just war. And far be
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it for me to contradict Papa Francesco, but let's not forget that the Pope is only infallible when
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he's not being fallible. He's infallible on a narrow range of issues. And Pope Francis has said,
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a war is always, always the defeat of humanity. Always there is no such thing as a just war.
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Or they do not exist. This would contradict millennia of Catholic teaching. Thomas Aquinas
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in particular, the great saint and doctor of the church says, there is such a thing as a just war.
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Of course there is. The justice though relies on a few things. It relies on authority. The person
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waging the war has the authority to do so. It relies on a just cause. You can't wage a war. Even if
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you're an authority, you can't wage a war just because you want to. There has to be a just cause for the war.
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Self-defense would be one example. And there has to be rightful intention. So those are the criteria
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there. It's true that war is a bad thing, but it doesn't mean that there's never a purpose to war
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or that war taken for just aims is not justified, is not legitimate. It reminds me of the people who
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say, violence never solves anything. I think, well, it solved the second world war.
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It solved, uh, no, it solves a lot. It solves crime when the police come and do violence upon
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criminals. That solves that. We seem to have forgotten that. The left seems to have forgotten
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that. Ketanji Jackson maybe never knew that in the first place. These are really, really basic things.
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What is justice? There's a definition. What is justice? It's giving to each what he deserves.
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What is a woman? A woman is an adult female human being. What is justified? What is life? When does
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life begin? These are really basic questions. Contrary to what the left is trying to confuse
00:53:22.240
you into today, the definitions of those questions, the definitions of those terms matter. We will have a
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definition. We will operate according to some definition. The left wants to radically change
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the definition. We will have some definition or other. If we have the wrong definition, that is
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not going to lead to a flourishing society. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show. See you tomorrow.
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