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00:00:30.360 There's a lot going on in the news, and we are not going to talk about any of it.

00:00:34.320 We're going to talk about a more important question.

00:00:36.500 Should conservatives accept and embrace gay marriage?

00:00:39.780 Do conservatives need to embrace gay marriage to survive?

00:00:43.480 We will speak to YouTube star and the author of Made for Love,

00:00:47.180 Same-Sex Attractions, and the Catholic Church, Father Michael Schmitz.

00:00:51.300 We will discuss what has become one of the central preoccupations of our age,

00:00:56.060 even though it only affects a relatively small number of Americans.

00:00:59.180 We will discuss a whole range of subjects with regard to sexual morality and the question of same-sex marriage

00:01:06.780 and decide once and for all what the GOP and conservatives should do.

00:01:09.740 I am Michael Knowles, and this is the Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:19.720 In 2001, Americans opposed monogamous same-sex unions,

00:01:25.680 opposed including those in the definition of marriage by a margin of 57% to 35%.

00:01:31.500 By 2017, those numbers had more than flipped to 62% supporting same-sex marriage and 32% opposing it.

00:01:38.260 56% of baby boomers support same-sex marriage.

00:01:41.200 I think around 150 million percent of millennials support it.

00:01:44.280 Even 41% of the greatest generation, the silent generation, support same-sex marriage.

00:01:49.480 The leading demographics supporting same-sex marriage are the religiously unaffiliated,

00:01:54.440 the so-called nuns, who support same-sex marriage at a rate of a shocking 85%.

00:01:59.660 Two-thirds of mainline Protestants now support same-sex marriage,

00:02:02.900 but those guys will believe anything.

00:02:04.620 You know, they're wrong on a number of things.

00:02:06.140 Mainline Protestantism is basically just a country club, I think, at this point.

00:02:09.740 Leading the opposition to same-sex marriage are white evangelical Protestants,

00:02:13.560 with only 35% of them approving it,

00:02:16.620 though that number did rise 8 percentage points from 27% in just one year.

00:02:21.700 Incredibly, two-thirds of Catholics, whose pontiff calls gay marriage,

00:02:25.740 quote,

00:02:25.960 a machination of the father of lies who seeks to deceive and confuse the children of God,

00:02:31.140 support same-sex marriage.

00:02:33.640 73% of Democrats and 70% of Independents support it,

00:02:38.020 while even 40% of Republicans support same-sex marriage,

00:02:41.980 nearly doubling over the past decade.

00:02:44.340 In 2001, one-third of both blacks and whites supported same-sex marriage.

00:02:48.420 Today, two-thirds of whites and half of black Americans support it.

00:02:53.400 Women are more likely than men to support same-sex marriage,

00:02:56.020 though both the numbers, they're high for both.

00:02:58.880 With 64% for women and 60% for men.

00:03:02.440 Sweet little Elisa is indicative of this gender divide.

00:03:05.020 She has been encouraging me to get a gay marriage for years

00:03:07.740 so that she can finally get away and be free.

00:03:10.260 Understandable.

00:03:11.060 How do we explain this marriage shift on the question of same-sex marriage?

00:03:15.080 To help us answer that, we are joined by Father Michael Schmitz.

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00:05:26.260 We're joined by Father Michael Schmitz.

00:05:27.700 Father Schmitz, thank you so much for being here.

00:05:30.320 Thanks, Michael.

00:05:30.900 I, right off the bat, I have to apologize

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00:06:37.020 and the Catholic Church.

00:06:38.560 So Father Schmitz, to begin,

00:06:40.340 there are examples, we are always told,

00:06:43.580 in classical antiquity of same-sex unions

00:06:46.240 and even unions that resemble marriage.

00:06:49.220 The Roman emperor Nero

00:06:50.660 apparently sort of married a young boy, Sporus,

00:06:54.160 after the death of his first two wives.

00:06:56.000 He made his boy bride dress up like a lady

00:06:58.740 at public events, so Wikipedia tells me.

00:07:01.420 Now, of course, Nero did it

00:07:02.640 is not exactly an endorsement.

00:07:05.300 Right, he also married a horse.

00:07:06.680 Yeah, right.

00:07:08.600 There's that.

00:07:10.140 Yeah, there were a lot of strange activities

00:07:12.560 that were going on,

00:07:13.620 not exactly a guidepost.

00:07:16.120 For the history of the Christian West,

00:07:18.240 marriage has had a clear meaning,

00:07:19.840 the union of man and woman.

00:07:21.760 This has been a consensus in the West for millennia.

00:07:25.060 And now we think it's the opposite.

00:07:26.480 Now that that public opinion has switched so quickly,

00:07:29.400 what has caused it to flip within just a few years?

00:07:33.420 Well, I think there's a number of factors.

00:07:35.380 You don't even have to,

00:07:36.320 I don't think you even have to appeal

00:07:38.220 to any kind of like religious idea.

00:07:40.620 I think you just,

00:07:41.340 once we disconnect from a real sense of,

00:07:44.500 I guess, rationality,

00:07:45.920 once we disconnect from reason,

00:07:47.160 and once we actually,

00:07:48.300 I think in some ways,

00:07:50.260 embrace a scientific,

00:07:51.400 not scientific,

00:07:52.100 scientific is great,

00:07:52.780 scientific worldview

00:07:54.080 where we can just,

00:07:55.160 where the world is endlessly manipulative

00:07:57.340 or manipulative-able

00:07:58.920 that we can basically redefine everything.

00:08:02.880 So it basically comes from a thing called,

00:08:06.000 like you might call nominalism,

00:08:07.380 where if you name a thing,

00:08:09.800 that thing,

00:08:10.320 then it just becomes that thing.

00:08:11.880 But there's no such thing

00:08:13.100 as a true nature of a thing, right?

00:08:14.900 So that now I just used the word thing

00:08:16.100 a thousand times in the last two sentences,

00:08:18.240 but I always ask people,

00:08:20.240 okay,

00:08:20.460 if you want to redefine marriage,

00:08:21.840 first,

00:08:23.500 just define it.

00:08:25.680 And blank,

00:08:27.040 blank,

00:08:27.420 blank faces,

00:08:28.480 blank stares back,

00:08:29.400 because it's like,

00:08:30.080 well,

00:08:30.240 it's when you really love someone.

00:08:32.260 Well,

00:08:32.420 okay,

00:08:32.600 that's a good question,

00:08:33.480 or that's a good point.

00:08:34.360 I really love my brother,

00:08:36.980 my sister.

00:08:38.200 Is that marriage?

00:08:39.200 Like,

00:08:39.380 no,

00:08:39.520 no,

00:08:39.580 no,

00:08:39.660 it's when you love someone

00:08:40.460 and you're committed to them.

00:08:41.740 Like,

00:08:41.960 okay,

00:08:42.220 well,

00:08:43.360 what if I love my nephew

00:08:46.080 and I'm really committed to him

00:08:47.340 and just want to see him do well?

00:08:48.580 He's my godson,

00:08:49.220 I want to see him do well.

00:08:50.020 Is that the same thing?

00:08:51.280 You know,

00:08:51.460 no,

00:08:51.680 it's when you love someone,

00:08:52.580 you're committed to each other

00:08:53.260 and you really help each other flourish.

00:08:55.340 Well,

00:08:55.580 right up the road from here,

00:08:56.460 there's a convent of nuns

00:08:58.420 and they love each other,

00:08:59.780 they're committed

00:09:00.220 and they help each other flourish.

00:09:01.420 It's that marriage.

00:09:02.660 So like,

00:09:03.120 I think before we even,

00:09:04.640 I mean,

00:09:04.900 it's basically anti-reason

00:09:07.160 to try to redefine something

00:09:08.900 that you don't know the definition

00:09:10.300 of in the first place.

00:09:11.840 That is such a good point.

00:09:13.000 I noticed that they do this

00:09:14.220 and I think that it is

00:09:15.680 a real strategy of the left.

00:09:17.480 I think it's well thought out

00:09:18.680 because I actually see Donald Trump

00:09:20.960 using it very effectively

00:09:22.160 on other issues.

00:09:23.280 Donald Trump says,

00:09:24.480 we are going to build the wall

00:09:25.740 and Mexico is going to pay for it.

00:09:27.640 And so we all start arguing about

00:09:29.280 who's going to pay for the wall.

00:09:30.320 Is it going to be Mexico?

00:09:31.160 Is it going to be the taxpayers?

00:09:32.280 And he's gotten us to slide

00:09:33.840 right past his premise,

00:09:35.240 which is the actually contentious question,

00:09:37.440 are we going to build the wall?

00:09:38.860 It's the same thing with marriage.

00:09:40.700 The left seems to have

00:09:41.660 blown right past the debate

00:09:43.220 over what marriage is

00:09:44.440 and the definition of it

00:09:45.380 into who has the right to get married.

00:09:48.260 So now we're arguing over civil rights

00:09:50.020 and of course,

00:09:50.880 if it's a question of civil rights,

00:09:52.300 everybody is going to get that right.

00:09:53.800 But that first question is,

00:09:55.100 what is marriage?

00:09:56.360 And the left is insisting now

00:09:57.820 that it is monogamous same-sex unions,

00:10:02.160 but for some reason,

00:10:03.200 not polygamous same-sex unions.

00:10:04.920 Those have been excluded

00:10:06.400 from the new definition of marriage.

00:10:08.860 So on the question of what is marriage,

00:10:11.700 why is it so important

00:10:12.980 that marriage be the union of man and woman?

00:10:17.040 Yeah, I think that

00:10:17.780 from the foundation of civilization,

00:10:20.620 you recognize that

00:10:21.700 the essential building block

00:10:23.220 of any community,

00:10:25.380 I mean, from the smallest tribe

00:10:27.600 to the largest nation,

00:10:30.300 the building block,

00:10:31.240 the essential building block

00:10:32.080 is marriage and family.

00:10:34.300 Why?

00:10:34.820 Because we have a lot of organizations, right?

00:10:37.320 We have a lot of people

00:10:37.980 who are loosely committed to each other,

00:10:39.560 but in no other relationship

00:10:41.360 do offspring happen.

00:10:44.300 And right,

00:10:44.540 and so that sense of like,

00:10:45.640 so there's no propagation of the species

00:10:47.200 for human beings at least

00:10:49.020 outside of this particular

00:10:51.020 kind of relationship.

00:10:52.100 Yeah, you can maybe farm it out

00:10:53.080 to the state,

00:10:53.880 you can give it to the,

00:10:54.720 you know,

00:10:55.100 the whole village to raise the child,

00:10:56.840 but the village doesn't create the child

00:10:58.780 and the village doesn't

00:11:00.000 provide a stable environment

00:11:01.940 for that child.

00:11:02.640 The only reason why the state

00:11:04.500 cares about marriage

00:11:05.380 in the first place,

00:11:06.460 like why we have tax benefits,

00:11:08.020 why we have some perks

00:11:09.240 for those who are married

00:11:10.080 is because we say,

00:11:11.460 okay,

00:11:11.760 it's not because we believe

00:11:13.240 in love so much

00:11:14.320 that we just want to support you kids

00:11:16.080 and make it,

00:11:16.820 want you to,

00:11:17.480 you know,

00:11:17.800 make it in this crazy world.

00:11:19.040 It's because you two kids

00:11:20.720 are going to probably have more kids.

00:11:23.400 We want to make sure

00:11:23.940 that those children

00:11:24.920 are taken care of.

00:11:26.320 And so why is it so important?

00:11:27.900 Because we're messing with the,

00:11:29.720 we're really messing

00:11:30.520 in a way that

00:11:31.460 we've never experienced before.

00:11:33.640 I think as a species

00:11:35.320 with this undefinition,

00:11:38.080 I wouldn't even say

00:11:38.760 it's a redefinition marriage.

00:11:39.840 It's an undefinition

00:11:40.980 of the most essential

00:11:42.600 building block

00:11:43.420 of a society.

00:11:45.440 And so then you think about this,

00:11:46.900 what happens

00:11:47.620 if you try to build with materials

00:11:50.020 that have never been tested before?

00:11:52.740 You wouldn't,

00:11:53.440 you wouldn't build any structure

00:11:54.720 that was solid.

00:11:56.020 You wouldn't build any structure

00:11:57.180 that you could rely on

00:11:58.100 because you don't even know

00:11:59.420 if the materials

00:12:00.200 are going to work.

00:12:01.200 And I think this is a really,

00:12:02.040 really dangerous experiment

00:12:03.200 that we're in the middle of here

00:12:05.240 in our culture.

00:12:06.640 And they say,

00:12:07.500 so often,

00:12:08.840 I find this to be the case

00:12:10.540 on essential,

00:12:11.920 first principles,

00:12:13.500 sort of political issues.

00:12:14.740 I think that I understand

00:12:16.180 the left's point of view,

00:12:17.440 but I don't think

00:12:18.380 that they understand

00:12:19.180 our point of view.

00:12:20.000 And very frequently,

00:12:21.580 they say,

00:12:22.740 they mock people on the right

00:12:24.580 or the religious right

00:12:25.580 and they say,

00:12:26.140 they say that we say,

00:12:27.860 you know,

00:12:28.280 it was Adam and Eve,

00:12:29.260 not Adam and Steve.

00:12:30.500 And they refer to Genesis

00:12:31.940 as some children's fable

00:12:34.000 that has no meaning.

00:12:35.560 Meanwhile,

00:12:36.340 Genesis is perhaps

00:12:37.280 the most profound text

00:12:38.680 ever composed

00:12:39.520 by human hands.

00:12:41.640 Now what they say

00:12:42.880 is that,

00:12:43.800 you know,

00:12:44.080 if children are this

00:12:45.460 central aspect,

00:12:46.840 the ability,

00:12:48.120 the potential

00:12:49.100 to create children,

00:12:50.020 which is not to say

00:12:50.740 that a couple

00:12:51.620 who is infertile,

00:12:53.800 you know,

00:12:54.100 a woman who has

00:12:54.880 difficulty conceiving

00:12:55.860 or whatever,

00:12:56.320 doesn't mean

00:12:56.820 to exclude them

00:12:57.640 from it,

00:12:58.200 but excluding

00:12:59.180 even the possibility,

00:13:00.520 the logical possibility.

00:13:03.740 We now have,

00:13:05.140 for instance,

00:13:06.240 single parents

00:13:07.180 who are able to adopt.

00:13:08.940 And we now,

00:13:09.880 so in that case,

00:13:10.820 the question of children

00:13:11.780 seems to be

00:13:12.800 a little tangential.

00:13:13.840 We know that

00:13:14.380 gay people,

00:13:15.760 people with same-sex attraction,

00:13:17.360 can adopt

00:13:18.020 as though they are single.

00:13:19.900 So now,

00:13:20.600 if they are in a

00:13:21.320 same-sex union,

00:13:22.560 certainly they could

00:13:23.320 continue to adopt.

00:13:24.780 They say,

00:13:25.220 well,

00:13:25.480 marriage has been

00:13:26.060 so undefined already.

00:13:27.720 They say,

00:13:28.140 for instance,

00:13:28.620 that divorce

00:13:29.200 has skyrocketed

00:13:30.520 in modern years,

00:13:31.180 although the rate

00:13:31.680 has actually

00:13:32.040 come down recently.

00:13:34.360 How do you respond

00:13:35.300 to people who say

00:13:36.060 marriage has already

00:13:36.900 been undefined?

00:13:37.960 Who cares if we add

00:13:38.800 a little bit more

00:13:39.380 to that?

00:13:40.900 Right.

00:13:41.320 Well,

00:13:41.500 I think that it's

00:13:42.240 kind of like a,

00:13:43.000 well,

00:13:43.120 I guess the Titanic

00:13:43.740 is already sinking

00:13:44.440 and so we might as well

00:13:46.060 just, you know,

00:13:46.540 play our instruments

00:13:47.240 and go down with the ship.

00:13:48.240 Right.

00:13:48.520 Shoot some holes

00:13:49.140 in the side of it.

00:13:50.580 Exactly.

00:13:51.320 I mean,

00:13:51.620 look,

00:13:51.740 the iceberg did that.

00:13:52.700 Why don't I just,

00:13:53.360 you know,

00:13:53.840 jump overboard

00:13:54.960 and it's right

00:13:55.560 into the ocean?

00:13:56.720 I would say that

00:13:57.660 I think there's

00:13:58.720 something worth salvaging

00:13:59.540 and I would not

00:14:00.500 deny the fact

00:14:01.260 that heterosexual

00:14:03.020 marriages

00:14:03.600 falling apart

00:14:05.420 or people,

00:14:06.300 you know,

00:14:06.420 kind of having

00:14:06.960 no-fault divorce.

00:14:07.760 you know,

00:14:09.320 when that was

00:14:09.700 proposed,

00:14:10.740 we probably

00:14:11.380 as people

00:14:12.840 who care

00:14:13.320 about our country,

00:14:14.600 people who care

00:14:15.000 about our culture,

00:14:15.700 we probably should

00:14:16.480 have been a little

00:14:16.980 bit more wary

00:14:17.720 and a little bit

00:14:18.500 more cautious

00:14:19.960 in moving forward

00:14:20.840 with that

00:14:21.300 because now

00:14:22.280 we see the fall

00:14:22.860 out.

00:14:23.340 We see how

00:14:24.440 this really

00:14:25.020 has affected

00:14:25.540 children being

00:14:27.240 raised by,

00:14:28.700 I mean,

00:14:29.300 even though

00:14:30.020 children can say

00:14:30.880 I love both

00:14:31.480 of my parents

00:14:32.000 and them getting

00:14:32.780 divorced,

00:14:33.940 that's good

00:14:34.680 that they love

00:14:35.120 them still

00:14:35.420 but they've been

00:14:36.460 affected by this.

00:14:38.020 And so,

00:14:38.680 to say like

00:14:39.320 we should have

00:14:39.920 been stronger,

00:14:41.700 why not now

00:14:42.700 say let's

00:14:43.660 get stronger

00:14:44.940 rather than

00:14:45.680 let's just

00:14:46.040 keep being weak.

00:14:46.920 So,

00:14:47.180 I think yes,

00:14:47.900 there's a sense

00:14:48.460 of like let's

00:14:49.000 define this

00:14:49.640 rather than

00:14:50.060 undefine it

00:14:50.700 and let's

00:14:51.200 actually help

00:14:51.760 marriages

00:14:52.820 become better

00:14:53.960 not just

00:14:54.580 say you can't

00:14:55.620 have this

00:14:56.020 to a gay couple

00:14:58.140 or a lesbian couple.

00:14:59.000 I think it's

00:14:59.380 really important.

00:15:00.140 And I don't see it

00:15:00.960 with people

00:15:01.380 who are in my

00:15:02.000 generation.

00:15:02.920 I don't think

00:15:03.480 that they have

00:15:04.080 the in for a penny

00:15:04.880 in for a pound

00:15:05.440 attitude.

00:15:06.320 I notice that

00:15:06.860 all of my

00:15:07.540 friends,

00:15:08.240 everyone in our

00:15:09.080 generation,

00:15:09.580 our parents

00:15:09.960 were divorced.

00:15:11.020 It just happened

00:15:12.220 to our parents'

00:15:13.140 generation.

00:15:14.240 And I notice

00:15:15.200 now people are

00:15:15.820 much more careful

00:15:16.460 about marriage

00:15:17.160 and they seem

00:15:18.420 to be,

00:15:19.020 obviously the plural

00:15:19.880 of anecdote

00:15:20.420 isn't data,

00:15:21.460 but we do know

00:15:21.940 the trends are

00:15:22.520 declining,

00:15:23.160 the divorce rates.

00:15:24.580 And just talking

00:15:25.860 to friends of mine,

00:15:27.060 regardless of their

00:15:27.860 political views,

00:15:28.640 they'll say,

00:15:28.960 yeah,

00:15:29.020 I really don't want

00:15:29.740 to get divorced.

00:15:30.380 I'm really trying

00:15:31.040 not to get divorced.

00:15:31.960 I think that

00:15:32.700 wasn't a good

00:15:33.340 experience and I

00:15:34.140 don't want to do

00:15:35.020 it myself.

00:15:35.720 I'd like to ask

00:15:36.620 you a bit about

00:15:37.140 the theology of

00:15:38.060 the body.

00:15:38.800 And by the way,

00:15:39.380 guys,

00:15:39.600 this is where

00:15:40.040 things are going

00:15:40.460 to get real saucy.

00:15:41.660 But before we get

00:15:42.360 to the theology

00:15:42.880 of the body,

00:15:43.540 we have to talk

00:15:44.560 about a much

00:15:45.800 more important

00:15:46.320 thing than all

00:15:47.380 of these essential

00:15:48.140 moral questions.

00:15:48.900 We have to talk

00:15:49.440 about toothbrushes.

00:15:50.240 We have to talk

00:15:50.600 about quip.

00:15:51.300 This is important.

00:15:52.320 Just as we keep

00:15:53.000 our moral lives

00:15:53.860 clean and we keep

00:15:55.660 our ethical systems

00:15:56.820 clean,

00:15:57.340 so too must we

00:15:58.180 clean our teeth.

00:15:58.760 And quip is the

00:16:00.340 new electric

00:16:01.500 toothbrush that

00:16:02.360 packs just the

00:16:03.080 right amount of

00:16:03.520 vibrations into a

00:16:04.520 slimmer design at

00:16:05.740 a fraction of the

00:16:06.600 cost of bulkier

00:16:07.520 traditional electric

00:16:08.780 brushes.

00:16:09.560 Now, I will say

00:16:10.980 this.

00:16:11.180 This is a little

00:16:11.800 bit of an

00:16:12.140 admission.

00:16:12.900 I didn't go to

00:16:14.160 the dentist for

00:16:14.820 probably five or

00:16:16.380 seven years.

00:16:17.500 Because I'm a man

00:16:18.620 and so I don't

00:16:19.480 think about these

00:16:20.180 things, I don't

00:16:21.320 care, I don't

00:16:22.100 make doctor's

00:16:22.660 appointments.

00:16:23.060 I also didn't

00:16:23.460 go see the doctor

00:16:24.160 for a long time.

00:16:26.000 Then I got engaged

00:16:26.880 and sweet little

00:16:27.840 Elisa just took

00:16:28.700 over my life and

00:16:29.960 made all of these

00:16:30.640 appointments for me

00:16:31.460 and said, if we're

00:16:31.900 getting married,

00:16:32.420 you're getting

00:16:32.660 checked out, pal.

00:16:33.900 And so I go to

00:16:34.800 the dentist and he

00:16:35.880 excoriated me for

00:16:37.240 several minutes over

00:16:38.480 not using an

00:16:39.380 electric toothbrush.

00:16:40.620 Apparently this is a

00:16:41.540 new invention and

00:16:42.800 they made it for a

00:16:43.920 reason.

00:16:44.300 It's much more

00:16:45.020 effective than

00:16:45.960 using regular, I

00:16:47.300 don't know, I

00:16:47.580 usually brush with a

00:16:48.260 stick or something.

00:16:48.980 I pull a branch off

00:16:49.720 a tree outside of my

00:16:50.820 window.

00:16:51.360 Electric toothbrush is

00:16:52.160 much better because

00:16:52.720 it just gives you all

00:16:53.600 of those vibrations

00:16:54.360 and brushes much faster

00:16:56.160 than you possibly could

00:16:57.480 with your own hand.

00:16:58.360 So the guiding pulses

00:16:59.760 alert you when to

00:17:00.580 switch sides.

00:17:01.840 On Quip, it makes the

00:17:03.000 brushing the right

00:17:04.060 amount of time

00:17:04.640 effortless.

00:17:05.580 Quip also comes with a

00:17:06.480 mount that suctions

00:17:07.740 right to your mirror

00:17:08.960 and unsticks to use as

00:17:10.980 a cover for hygienic

00:17:11.880 travel anywhere.

00:17:13.040 I have it just right on

00:17:13.880 my mirror right now.

00:17:15.220 So it can go in your

00:17:16.080 gym gag or your

00:17:16.840 carry-on and you don't

00:17:17.920 need to be disgusting

00:17:18.820 like me and just throw

00:17:19.800 it in whatever the back

00:17:20.500 of your car or

00:17:21.080 whatever.

00:17:21.920 Because the thing

00:17:23.060 that cleans your mouth

00:17:23.640 should also be clean,

00:17:25.080 Quip's subscription plan

00:17:26.360 refreshes your brush

00:17:27.280 on a dentist's

00:17:28.380 recommended schedule.

00:17:29.520 Delivering new brush

00:17:30.220 heads every three

00:17:31.460 months for just

00:17:32.220 five dollars.

00:17:33.380 This is the other

00:17:33.960 thing.

00:17:34.180 I know it sounds like

00:17:34.760 I'm just talking to

00:17:35.340 the guys but it's

00:17:36.160 because we're so lazy

00:17:37.120 about these things.

00:17:38.240 If I were not told

00:17:39.780 to do it, I would

00:17:40.980 not replace my

00:17:41.820 toothbrush more than

00:17:42.740 once every 15 to

00:17:44.860 18 years.

00:17:45.640 I just wouldn't do it.

00:17:46.860 It would be all

00:17:47.420 mangled and all the

00:17:48.320 little bristles are

00:17:49.740 coming out.

00:17:50.340 Probably new bristles

00:17:51.240 are growing on the

00:17:51.940 other side of it.

00:17:52.640 You need to replace

00:17:53.460 your toothbrush.

00:17:54.060 It's very important.

00:17:55.660 It will just make

00:17:57.680 your teeth smile.

00:17:58.400 Especially, look,

00:17:59.480 these days with new

00:18:00.240 media, everybody can

00:18:01.100 be a star and you

00:18:01.740 can go on YouTube.

00:18:02.880 So you've got to

00:18:03.600 have those pearly

00:18:04.240 whites.

00:18:04.560 This is the money

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00:18:05.920 Don't cheap out on

00:18:06.640 yourself.

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00:18:55.040 Okay, now that we've

00:18:56.360 talked about our teeth,

00:18:57.800 it's time to get into

00:18:58.700 the theology of the body.

00:19:00.880 And the theology of the

00:19:02.420 body tells us something

00:19:03.000 about our mouth, too.

00:19:03.940 The theology of the body

00:19:04.860 tells us that just as our

00:19:05.860 mouths have a purpose to

00:19:07.560 eat food and our eyes

00:19:09.260 have a purpose, so too do

00:19:11.080 our sexual organs have a

00:19:12.260 purpose.

00:19:12.960 And in spite of the

00:19:13.780 bizarre things that each

00:19:14.960 and every one of us wants

00:19:16.260 to do to some degree with

00:19:17.780 those organs, we should use

00:19:19.420 them in accordance with

00:19:20.280 that purpose.

00:19:21.440 But my question, Father,

00:19:23.600 is should we use them only

00:19:26.120 in accordance with that

00:19:27.040 purpose?

00:19:27.560 So my mouth is for eating,

00:19:29.100 but I also use it to

00:19:30.280 smoke cigars, as did

00:19:31.980 Popes Pius X and

00:19:33.600 Pius XI.

00:19:34.300 Even a saint did this.

00:19:36.800 Pope St. John XXIII also

00:19:38.560 smoked.

00:19:39.460 Similarly, the central unit

00:19:41.200 of human life is the union

00:19:42.820 of husband and wife.

00:19:44.040 It's an image of Christ and

00:19:45.240 his church, the bridegroom and

00:19:46.800 the bride.

00:19:47.580 But can other arrangements

00:19:48.820 ever be permissible, or is

00:19:51.020 tobacco different because the

00:19:52.180 body is a temple and the

00:19:53.020 temple needs incense, rather

00:19:54.880 than the imaginative uses of

00:19:56.640 the sexual organs that we

00:19:58.260 talk about so frequently in

00:19:59.620 our culture today?

00:20:00.320 Great, great question.

00:20:02.960 And actually, I think that

00:20:04.180 also, I love the incense idea

00:20:08.100 in the temple of the Holy

00:20:09.620 Spirit.

00:20:10.000 That's good.

00:20:10.660 I haven't heard that one yet.

00:20:11.640 This, I think, is my only

00:20:12.780 contribution to theology.

00:20:14.380 I think that's the lone

00:20:15.380 bit.

00:20:17.180 I have some students who have

00:20:18.300 asked me to bless their

00:20:19.260 cigarettes so they could have

00:20:20.240 holy smokes.

00:20:21.020 And I'm like, I don't know,

00:20:21.980 dude.

00:20:22.360 I don't know.

00:20:23.380 Maybe in a papal conclave you

00:20:24.780 could use it.

00:20:25.220 But I don't know.

00:20:26.620 Well, because it's white

00:20:27.440 smoke, I guess, you know,

00:20:28.200 going up.

00:20:29.340 You know, it's funny because I

00:20:30.200 did a debate with a man.

00:20:31.800 He teaches theology.

00:20:33.740 And we were debating same

00:20:34.920 sex marriage.

00:20:35.960 And in the course of the

00:20:36.740 debate, he said something that

00:20:37.760 was really profound.

00:20:38.540 It just stopped me.

00:20:40.360 He said, well, I'm not

00:20:42.220 defined by my biology.

00:20:44.660 And I remember just thinking

00:20:45.340 like, oh, wow.

00:20:46.040 Like, I must have this look on

00:20:47.320 my face that the moderator of

00:20:48.460 the debate recognized that I

00:20:49.960 don't have a very good poker

00:20:50.820 face.

00:20:51.160 I was like, wow, this is, she

00:20:52.640 said, Father Schmitz, do you

00:20:53.480 have something to say?

00:20:54.100 And I said, yeah, I

00:20:55.440 realized we're not just right

00:20:57.260 here in this, in this moment,

00:20:58.540 we weren't talking just about

00:20:59.820 marriage.

00:21:01.580 We weren't talking about

00:21:02.560 sexual morality.

00:21:03.600 We weren't even talking about

00:21:04.460 morality.

00:21:05.540 What we really all came down

00:21:06.760 to was a worldview.

00:21:08.220 And the worldview is either

00:21:10.580 Gnosticism or it's basically

00:21:14.680 a enfleshed materialism or

00:21:16.840 an ensouled materialism.

00:21:18.160 And what I mean by that is

00:21:18.940 like, so the Gnostics would,

00:21:20.480 or Manichees would say that

00:21:21.960 the body's bad, the body's not

00:21:25.120 you, you are truly your soul.

00:21:27.260 Whereas as Christians, in the

00:21:28.720 Christian worldview, we'd say no

00:21:29.680 body and soul together.

00:21:31.300 And so, like, it was remarkable

00:21:32.840 that this person was admitting

00:21:34.460 that, because they're a theology

00:21:36.060 teacher at a Catholic school,

00:21:37.520 they were saying, no, basically,

00:21:38.960 I'm Gnostic.

00:21:39.520 I'm not my body.

00:21:40.400 I'm not my body.

00:21:41.320 I'm just my spirit or something.

00:21:43.460 Yeah.

00:21:43.840 My spirit, my soul, my psyche,

00:21:45.380 whatever.

00:21:45.620 Um, and that's a really profound

00:21:48.220 shift in this world, because I

00:21:49.600 think if we're going to have a

00:21:50.260 debate about any morality issues,

00:21:53.440 any sexuality issues, or any just

00:21:55.960 like, uh, issues that pertain to

00:21:58.480 what we do with our bodies, it's

00:22:00.280 all going to come down to, well,

00:22:01.440 the question, are you your body

00:22:03.140 or not?

00:22:03.840 Is your body just a shell?

00:22:05.120 Is it just a case?

00:22:05.900 Is it just that the true you is

00:22:07.700 somewhat kind of, uh, ephemeral and

00:22:10.260 disconnected from your body?

00:22:12.400 So you mentioned theology of the

00:22:13.480 body, which is a term that was, it

00:22:15.260 came out of John Paul, the second

00:22:16.280 pontificate, his teaching.

00:22:18.140 Um, and in, in that he said, the

00:22:20.520 body and it alone is capable of

00:22:22.940 making visible, the invisible, the

00:22:25.200 spiritual and the divine.

00:22:26.120 Because if you think about this,

00:22:28.100 we've never, we've never learned

00:22:30.400 anything outside of our body.

00:22:32.360 We've, we've, we, we, everything

00:22:34.700 you and I have learned has been

00:22:35.960 through our body, like through our

00:22:36.900 eyes, we read something or saw

00:22:38.880 something through our ears.

00:22:39.680 We heard something, we felt

00:22:40.860 something, um, we've never expressed

00:22:42.560 love except in and through our

00:22:43.840 bodies.

00:22:44.180 We've never expressed disgust in

00:22:46.060 and except in and through our

00:22:46.900 bodies.

00:22:47.440 So this reality is we've never

00:22:50.440 known anyone without a body.

00:22:53.180 And yet there's this kind of

00:22:54.520 worldview that says, but no, no,

00:22:55.840 but, but what I do with my body

00:22:57.060 doesn't really matter because it

00:22:58.360 doesn't touch my soul.

00:22:59.800 And so that's, that's truly

00:23:01.220 ultimately what it comes down to

00:23:02.380 is again, narcissism or

00:23:04.360 manichaeism.

00:23:04.900 And so our starting point has to

00:23:06.620 be, okay, are you your body and

00:23:09.140 soul together or not?

00:23:10.220 Because if you're not, then we're

00:23:12.260 going to have to figure another

00:23:13.620 way to talk about these things.

00:23:14.740 If you are, then I think we can

00:23:16.320 address the question you, you

00:23:17.280 brought up, which is a really

00:23:18.080 good question, which is, um, do

00:23:20.740 things have a nature and is that

00:23:23.280 nature fixed or is that nature

00:23:25.320 determined by how we want to use

00:23:26.780 it?

00:23:27.080 And so, um, I would say is I

00:23:29.980 always like to have the, ask the

00:23:31.620 question, uh, we get the idea of a

00:23:33.740 thing's nature, the, what it is

00:23:36.140 this of a thing by asking the

00:23:38.320 question, what is it for?

00:23:40.380 Right?

00:23:40.680 So, so we, we know what a chair is

00:23:42.680 because we, we know the, what it's

00:23:44.540 foreignness of a chair to sit on.

00:23:46.340 And we, we have the, what it is

00:23:47.920 in this of a table when we ask the

00:23:49.600 what it's foreignness, okay.

00:23:50.840 The set things on.

00:23:52.160 Right.

00:23:52.400 What the, what it isness of the

00:23:54.480 Michael Knowles show is to spread

00:23:55.500 covfefe, to spread covfefe galore

00:23:57.620 to all of the world, of course.

00:23:59.300 Yeah.

00:23:59.860 And so now you know what it's

00:24:01.280 foreignness and now you know the

00:24:02.060 nature.

00:24:02.280 And so the question is, can I, uh,

00:24:06.200 take something that the, what it's

00:24:07.180 foreignness and use it to my own

00:24:08.780 end?

00:24:09.520 And the answer of course is yes.

00:24:10.800 Right.

00:24:11.080 So I can take the chair I'm sitting

00:24:12.740 on and I can set something on it

00:24:14.160 and I'm not violating the nature of

00:24:16.000 the, what it's foreignness of the

00:24:16.960 chair.

00:24:17.300 And I could, on this, this solid

00:24:18.980 table I've got, I could sit on it

00:24:20.560 and I'm not violating the, what

00:24:21.940 it's foreignness to set things on

00:24:23.480 of the table.

00:24:24.660 But there are some things we can do

00:24:26.680 that actually do violate the, what

00:24:28.860 it's foreignness.

00:24:29.380 For example, I couldn't, um, take

00:24:31.380 this chair I'm sitting on and like

00:24:32.760 put a tree trunk and like split

00:24:35.100 wood on it.

00:24:35.800 I'd pretty quickly violate the

00:24:37.080 nature of the chair.

00:24:39.000 And same thing is true when it

00:24:40.100 comes to our bodies.

00:24:40.620 If the premise we are our bodies,

00:24:42.660 then, um, there's what it's, what

00:24:44.940 it's foreignness.

00:24:45.400 So let's look at the sexual act.

00:24:47.480 Um, if you had a scientist who

00:24:49.040 asked the question, what it's for,

00:24:50.940 what is it for?

00:24:51.780 You'd see at least two things and

00:24:53.400 the two primary things that are

00:24:54.560 there at every, every sexual act.

00:24:57.640 Um, there's a procreation.

00:24:59.800 That's what it's for.

00:25:00.780 And bonding of the couple, that's

00:25:02.960 what it's for.

00:25:03.500 And when you see this on a

00:25:04.580 biological level, both of the

00:25:05.900 things on the biological level,

00:25:07.040 we're not even talking about

00:25:08.140 religion at this point.

00:25:09.100 We're saying that, no, there are,

00:25:10.880 there are bonding hormones that

00:25:12.580 get released when people enter

00:25:14.500 into the sexual embrace.

00:25:15.720 So that's what it's foreign is.

00:25:17.440 Yeah.

00:25:17.960 It's for bonding.

00:25:18.920 And also it's the only action we

00:25:21.220 know of that's oriented towards

00:25:22.500 making new life.

00:25:23.580 So what it's foreign is, is

00:25:24.680 procreation.

00:25:25.200 So does that mean that every

00:25:28.200 single act has to be to have a

00:25:31.120 child or every single act has to

00:25:32.660 be for bonding?

00:25:34.540 Well, we recognize that.

00:25:36.120 I'm sure that, you know, you

00:25:37.280 might know couples like who do

00:25:38.400 like, who have been in the

00:25:39.780 situation where they're trying to

00:25:40.820 conceive.

00:25:41.540 And so they might say, okay, so

00:25:43.120 she's like, I'm obligating right

00:25:44.260 now.

00:25:44.520 Let's go.

00:25:45.140 That might not be specifically for

00:25:47.460 bonding.

00:25:47.880 It's not the most romantic way to

00:25:49.460 start an encounter.

00:25:50.540 Certainly.

00:25:50.780 Hey, the clock's ticking, buddy.

00:25:54.520 Let's go.

00:25:55.020 Get in there.

00:25:55.800 You got it.

00:25:56.560 But not for bonding, but

00:25:57.680 they're not violating bonding.

00:25:59.300 Right.

00:25:59.660 And by doing this, because

00:26:00.480 they're both entering into this

00:26:01.680 as we imagine a husband and

00:26:03.680 wife, or you'd have a couple

00:26:05.700 that, you know, they're not

00:26:07.160 specifically intending to have

00:26:09.200 a child come out of this, but

00:26:10.220 they're not working against

00:26:10.940 this.

00:26:11.240 They just simply are.

00:26:12.280 We want to express our love for

00:26:13.460 one another, but they're not

00:26:14.200 working against the openness to

00:26:17.320 life.

00:26:17.700 In those cases, they'd be using

00:26:19.860 this for a certain purpose,

00:26:21.720 but not using it contrary to

00:26:23.580 its nature.

00:26:24.140 And that's the big question,

00:26:26.140 because what we recognize is

00:26:27.940 if I use a thing against this

00:26:29.460 nature or try to work against

00:26:30.500 the nature or the what it's

00:26:31.500 forness of a thing, that's when

00:26:33.020 things begin to break down.

00:26:34.800 This is the very difficult.

00:26:36.720 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:26:37.100 Go ahead.

00:26:38.140 No, no.

00:26:38.460 I've used my own purpose, but

00:26:40.320 I can't extend that out to any

00:26:42.780 purpose and not expecting the

00:26:45.240 nature to break down.

00:26:46.780 This is, that's a wonderful

00:26:48.140 explanation.

00:26:48.520 And this, this aspect, the

00:26:50.460 unitive aspect, I think is what's

00:26:52.520 so difficult in a culture that

00:26:54.300 is obsessed with the erotic.

00:26:56.200 So the, the Christian answer to

00:26:57.740 same-sex attraction, as you

00:26:59.820 explain in the book, is

00:27:01.160 celibacy and chastity, to which

00:27:03.220 we're all called, but for people

00:27:05.020 with same-sex attractions, that

00:27:06.180 obviously results in celibacy.

00:27:08.660 Of course, that answer is easier

00:27:10.360 said than done.

00:27:11.320 We're all called to be chaste, but

00:27:12.740 as, as a former Manichaean who

00:27:15.740 became a great saint, St.

00:27:17.160 Augustine said, Lord, make me

00:27:18.560 chaste, but not yet.

00:27:20.000 But not yet.

00:27:20.800 Doesn't the call for people who

00:27:22.780 are exclusively attracted to

00:27:24.660 members of the same sex exclude

00:27:26.520 them from erotic love, one of the,

00:27:28.440 one of the great consolations of

00:27:29.880 life, so I'm told?

00:27:31.200 Is that burden not too immense in a

00:27:34.560 sex-obsessed culture such as ours that

00:27:37.400 places so high a value on the erotic?

00:27:39.640 That's a great question, because I

00:27:42.340 love how you phrased it, because we

00:27:44.100 frame it in a, in a, in a sex-obsessed

00:27:46.220 culture, and so what makes things

00:27:48.180 more difficult, I think, is the fact

00:27:49.620 that, um, that we've reduced

00:27:51.940 everything, like all the great, so

00:27:54.760 John Paul II, again, this theology of

00:27:56.540 the body, he said, he said, man

00:27:58.500 cannot live without love.

00:27:59.660 Without love, man remains a being

00:28:01.100 incomprehensible to himself.

00:28:02.880 He's a mystery to himself if he

00:28:04.840 doesn't experience love.

00:28:06.480 Now, we hear that, we think that, is

00:28:08.660 the Pope talking about, because what

00:28:09.800 we've taken is this big concept of

00:28:11.320 love, and we've reduced it to

00:28:13.320 romantic love, and we've taken this

00:28:15.080 concept of romantic love and

00:28:16.060 reduced it to sex, so what it sounds

00:28:17.480 like the Pope is saying is, man

00:28:18.820 cannot live without sex.

00:28:20.540 Without sex, he remains a being

00:28:21.960 incomprehensible to himself.

00:28:23.300 His life is senseless unless he has

00:28:24.760 sex, and yet the great minds and the

00:28:27.260 great hearts, the great lives of

00:28:28.520 history have said, yeah, eros, you

00:28:30.620 know, romantic love or erotic love, is

00:28:32.700 a good, and we would, as Catholic

00:28:34.760 Christians, we would say, exactly, it's

00:28:36.320 a good, but it's not even the

00:28:37.920 greatest love, because I love, I

00:28:40.800 really like C.S. Lewis, he's one of

00:28:42.060 my, one of my guys.

00:28:43.800 He's, I believe Tolkien referred to

00:28:45.900 him as his heretic friend, and he

00:28:48.000 is, I do love C.S. Lewis, I love the

00:28:50.620 man, I devour him regularly.

00:28:53.740 Seriously, so in the four loves, he

00:28:55.080 talks about these four kinds of love,

00:28:56.700 eros, or storge, which is your

00:28:58.640 affection, eros, which is the

00:29:00.540 romantic love, and then he says, but

00:29:02.180 there's philia, and philia is not just

00:29:04.520 storge, like buddy-ness, but his true

00:29:07.400 friendship, and he, and he, he says, he

00:29:10.320 maintains, and he makes a great case

00:29:11.500 for it, that philia is even more, more

00:29:15.400 rare, therefore more precious, and even

00:29:18.300 more life-giving than eros, which is why

00:29:21.620 probably I imagine that you're, as you're

00:29:24.000 preparing to get married, that you'd be

00:29:25.920 saying, like, I'm not just, I'm not just in

00:29:27.980 love with her, she's also my best friend.

00:29:29.860 This is, you hear this all the time, I'm

00:29:32.400 marrying my best friend, and I always,

00:29:34.400 whenever my fiance says this, I always

00:29:35.980 try to temper this, because I agree

00:29:37.760 with you, I say, you know, friendship is

00:29:39.920 so rare these days, and I'm, I'm blessed

00:29:42.920 to have a number of friendships that I

00:29:45.680 think rise to this level of great

00:29:47.840 friendship, of true friendship, not just,

00:29:50.320 you know, seeing your buddies and catching

00:29:52.360 a baseball game or something, but real

00:29:54.280 friendship, standing alongside one

00:29:56.420 another and looking at the same thing,

00:29:58.080 and so, when, but, one of which does

00:30:00.720 include my fiance, but I always say, well,

00:30:02.340 you know, you know, my best, I don't

00:30:03.580 best buddy, what are we going to go to

00:30:05.260 the bar together, I don't know, but

00:30:07.380 that is, my best female friend, that's

00:30:09.600 right, yes, she is certainly my best

00:30:10.940 female friend, and, but you hear this

00:30:12.800 so much, and I, it seems to me, when

00:30:14.980 people say I'm marrying my best friend,

00:30:16.740 they are aspiring to this, this sort of

00:30:19.820 friendship, this philia, that has been

00:30:21.660 lost, that, that ancient cultures, and

00:30:24.160 even, really, just the pre-modern,

00:30:27.080 recognized, and spoke so highly of, and

00:30:29.440 that really seems to be lacking, because

00:30:31.760 all our culture wants to talk about are

00:30:33.860 saucier things than that.

00:30:36.460 Absolutely, and so, and so, in that

00:30:38.120 culture, right, where, where true

00:30:39.680 friendship is, like, well, I guess it's a

00:30:41.260 consolation, it's a consolation prize, like,

00:30:43.640 maybe you have a true friend, but what

00:30:45.360 you really want is a lover, yes, it is

00:30:48.060 more difficult, but I would say that, I

00:30:50.720 mean, there's a number of ministries,

00:30:51.800 there's even a group in the Catholic

00:30:54.320 Church called Courage, and Courage is

00:30:56.440 men and women who experience same-sex

00:30:57.740 attraction, we're saying, but, but we

00:31:00.160 know the call of Jesus, we know the call

00:31:01.620 to be chaste, that it's difficult, but

00:31:03.700 it's not impossible, and I know, I mean,

00:31:06.020 dozens and dozens, just personally, and

00:31:07.880 hundreds and hundreds that I, I have

00:31:10.320 encountered, who are living really

00:31:13.820 healthy, holy, rich lives, because

00:31:16.840 experiencing same-sex attraction is not

00:31:20.180 a death sentence, like, I think

00:31:21.960 sometimes people think that that's the

00:31:23.520 case, if you're going to be Catholic, or

00:31:24.920 if you're going to be Christian, that

00:31:26.100 it's like, yeah, well, too bad to be you,

00:31:28.060 man, this isn't going to, you're going to

00:31:29.300 have a terrible life, it's never, yeah.

00:31:32.340 It's going to be something that's going

00:31:34.140 to be difficult, but every one of us has

00:31:36.080 something difficult that we have to deal

00:31:37.540 with, and we're going to wrestle with our

00:31:39.480 entire lives, that sometimes it opens up

00:31:42.300 doors for us and opportunities, and

00:31:43.560 sometimes it just, it makes life really

00:31:45.920 difficult, but like, the people that I've

00:31:48.860 encountered, who have same-sex attraction,

00:31:51.720 who also are saying, but no, I, I'm called

00:31:54.520 to be chaste, and so I know what that

00:31:55.920 means, are living really, really full

00:32:00.040 lives with true friendship, and that's

00:32:02.880 not something, I mean, I think if most

00:32:05.720 people knew what true friendship really

00:32:07.340 was, or really is, they would, they would

00:32:09.860 say, oh, wow, that, that's a blessed

00:32:11.760 life, not a, not a cursed life.

00:32:13.560 Mm-hmm, that's, that's interesting, that

00:32:15.400 is one of the jokes sometimes you hear

00:32:17.320 among guys who like to go to the cigar

00:32:19.100 bar, and have some whiskeys, and smoke

00:32:20.960 cigars, you say, well, without the erotic

00:32:22.380 component, being gay wouldn't be so bad,

00:32:24.640 you know, there's something, the erotic

00:32:26.140 component doesn't sound great, but other

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00:32:41.160 left is so obsessed with making the sexes

00:32:44.080 seem exactly the same in this question of

00:32:46.180 transsexuality, which affects like five

00:32:48.700 people on earth, but which has become the

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00:36:50.960 Okay, on the real political nature of

00:37:00.000 this lobby, I think this lobby that tries

00:37:02.740 to make our culture talk about sex and

00:37:05.540 sexual issues all the time, it seems to

00:37:08.360 me that the issue of same-sex marriage is

00:37:09.960 part and parcel of a feminist ideology that

00:37:12.740 ironically seeks to erase all gender

00:37:15.460 difference, so the premise of same-sex

00:37:17.480 marriage seems to be that men and women

00:37:20.040 are exactly the same, that there isn't

00:37:21.640 sexual difference, because very basically,

00:37:25.380 if M plus W equals M plus M equals W plus

00:37:31.080 W, then M equals W, they're the same thing,

00:37:34.300 rather than being complementary. Why does

00:37:37.620 the left want to erase sexual difference?

00:37:40.460 It's a great question. I, you know, like you

00:37:44.940 had said earlier, I can understand the, I

00:37:48.740 often find that I feel like, or I believe

00:37:50.920 that I can understand the perspective and

00:37:53.220 the ideology or the thought process of

00:37:56.120 people who say, I want to advocate for

00:37:58.100 same-sex marriage, I want to advocate for

00:38:00.540 transgenderism. I think I get the argument,

00:38:02.900 but when it comes to this, like, why? When

00:38:07.220 you ask the question, but why? Then I don't.

00:38:10.840 Then at this point, I'm thinking like, what's

00:38:12.420 the ulterior or ultimate end? It kind of, it

00:38:15.860 eludes me, because it seems like the ultimate

00:38:17.840 conclusion is a very, very different culture

00:38:23.060 than we have. One that does not necessarily

00:38:26.820 flourish, but one that kind of just is

00:38:29.240 everything's up for grabs. And so when it

00:38:31.780 comes to like the, a lot of the motivation

00:38:33.140 of people who would advocate for, um, like

00:38:36.120 same-sex marriage or would advocate for, uh,

00:38:38.620 like that trend kind of advocating

00:38:40.780 transgender stuff is, it seems like what I,

00:38:44.120 uh, in talking with some high schoolers

00:38:47.080 asking them about this, the response was

00:38:50.620 like, well, I don't know. I just, I just

00:38:52.800 feel bad that they can't get married. Oh,

00:38:56.000 well, that's it. And so, and so I think

00:38:58.080 that there might be some people who are

00:38:59.760 like kind of the masterminds. I have no

00:39:01.560 idea who that, who they would be, but I

00:39:03.480 think at the, at the core, the reason why

00:39:05.200 the tide has shifted so quickly is because

00:39:07.820 we've abandoned thinking and we've given it

00:39:09.760 all over to the feeling, to emotion. And so

00:39:11.960 the reason, quote unquote, reason why, uh,

00:39:15.000 the, the tide has shifted so much is because

00:39:17.100 we've abandoned reason. And we're just

00:39:18.740 saying, well, I just, I feel bad. It makes

00:39:20.760 me feel sad to think that someone would feel

00:39:22.960 sad. And, and of course, you know, you, you

00:39:25.760 and I, we don't want to make people

00:39:27.000 unnecessarily sad or want to make put

00:39:29.240 undue like suffering in their lives. But

00:39:32.000 that's not the same thing as, uh, saying,

00:39:34.420 well, but is it so like, you know, so

00:39:36.920 here's a person who, um, would, uh, say,

00:39:39.260 I don't, I'm in a man's body, but I've

00:39:41.000 always felt like a woman. Well, first of

00:39:42.360 all, I have to ask the question, how do

00:39:45.000 you know? Right. Meaning like, how do you

00:39:47.080 know what a woman feels like? I, I, I don't

00:39:49.620 like playing baseball or football. Like, okay,

00:39:51.180 that's, that's a stereotype right there. I,

00:39:53.260 I'm not going to serious. I'm not, I'm not

00:39:55.300 going to advocate a stereotype. If you're

00:39:56.660 a man who doesn't, uh, embrace a lot of

00:39:59.240 masculine things, like you don't want your

00:40:01.040 man crate or whatever. That's like, that's

00:40:02.860 well, that's unforgivable that I believe is

00:40:04.720 actually an unforgivable sin in the

00:40:06.300 scripture. I have to refresh it. Yeah.

00:40:08.940 I apologize. But like that sense of like

00:40:10.960 someone, I better feel like a woman. How do

00:40:12.880 you know what a woman feels like? And

00:40:16.240 therefore all you know is what you feel

00:40:17.480 like, which is I feel disconnected from my

00:40:19.720 body. Now I am my, for my part, I, I have

00:40:23.100 emotion. I have a compassion for that and

00:40:24.920 I have, I have pity on that. But the

00:40:26.960 answer I don't think is to say, Oh, in

00:40:28.880 that case, um, you must not be a man.

00:40:31.920 Right. I mean, I don't know. I'm sure

00:40:33.460 you've experienced or not experienced, but

00:40:34.820 you've encountered, uh, this, uh, a

00:40:37.260 condition called B I ID, which is body

00:40:39.000 integrity, identity disorder. And what B I

00:40:41.400 ID is, is a real thing where people will

00:40:43.760 say things like, um, I, this isn't my

00:40:46.000 hand. I've always felt like this is really

00:40:48.420 part of me. And so they would go in to say

00:40:50.960 the surgeon and say, could you amputate

00:40:53.060 why it's perfectly healthy, but it's not

00:40:55.140 my hand. And now the medical community

00:40:57.020 has universally, uh, said, no, don't do

00:40:59.780 that because why? Cause that is their

00:41:01.440 hand. And the problem is not the hand. The

00:41:04.120 problem is there's a disconnect between

00:41:06.180 their perception and reality. Right. But

00:41:08.700 when it comes to transgenders and when it

00:41:10.040 comes to sex, it seems like we just

00:41:12.640 forget common sense. And so if, you know,

00:41:15.660 if someone would say, this isn't my hand,

00:41:17.780 no, no, no, that really is. You're just

00:41:19.160 mistaken. Let's help you get to a place

00:41:20.940 where you can, uh, make that like, bring

00:41:24.400 it together. But someone says, these

00:41:25.880 aren't my genitals. You're like, wait,

00:41:27.260 wait, well then let's have surgery. Let's

00:41:29.480 get rid of those. Well, we have to get

00:41:30.620 rid of those. That's a different kind of

00:41:32.200 organ. Of course. And, and this, well,

00:41:37.660 this, uh, this issue of transgender does

00:41:41.500 seem to be one where people are suffering.

00:41:43.580 That sounds like a terrible condition. And

00:41:45.740 I, I certainly feel for people who have

00:41:48.020 it, but they seem to be looking for

00:41:49.900 relief in all of the wrong places. The

00:41:52.400 pioneers at, uh, Johns Hopkins who, who

00:41:55.500 began the, uh, gender mutilation

00:41:58.560 surgery have, have stopped doing it

00:42:00.780 because they realized that even the

00:42:03.580 suicide rates of people who suffer from

00:42:05.300 this did not decrease after surgery. So

00:42:08.640 even the operation that, uh, everyone

00:42:11.380 expected to give relief to this condition

00:42:13.360 didn't quite, uh, do it. And this does

00:42:17.560 seem to be the, the real issue because I

00:42:19.760 always, uh, fear for when we're talking

00:42:22.800 about this issue, uh, people didn't choose

00:42:24.780 to be born attracted to members of the

00:42:26.780 same sex. I don't think, I don't think

00:42:28.600 anyone ever said, yes, today I'm going to

00:42:30.180 do that. And it, it, that is a really sad

00:42:33.140 condition. If one looks at a traditional

00:42:36.380 Christian view of things or a Jewish view

00:42:38.560 of things or, uh, any other traditional

00:42:41.980 sexual ethic. And they say, I'm excluded

00:42:44.080 from this. And I, it, I really wish I

00:42:47.320 weren't excluded from, uh, from erotic

00:42:50.620 love or from pursuing my sexual desires. And

00:42:54.280 I, I think a lot of the time, uh, Christians,

00:42:57.960 uh, and the Catholic church in particular

00:42:59.660 are called haters on this. They just, they

00:43:02.300 think that we just hate gay people and we

00:43:04.940 don't want them to be happy. And when

00:43:06.780 really what we're saying is this isn't

00:43:08.520 an, a normative statement, it's a

00:43:10.560 positive statement that, uh, this is not

00:43:13.200 what marriage is. How do you respond to

00:43:15.480 the accusations of, of hatred and

00:43:18.220 bigotry? You know, for, it seems to me

00:43:20.080 that it's, it's similar to saying, I like,

00:43:22.180 uh, apples, but I won't call an apple an

00:43:25.100 orange, this question of gay marriage. And

00:43:27.280 they say, well, why do you hate oranges? And

00:43:28.720 I don't hate, I like oranges very much. I

00:43:30.780 want oranges to thrive. I like orange juice. I'm

00:43:33.600 probably screwing up the metaphor

00:43:34.900 somewhere here, but I don't hate orange

00:43:36.760 oranges. I just think that apples are not

00:43:39.220 oranges. How do you respond to those

00:43:41.740 accusations of hatred?

00:43:43.880 Yeah, I would say at least two things. Uh,

00:43:45.760 one is, uh, I remember, uh, there was

00:43:49.140 someone very, very close to me when he

00:43:50.760 came out of the, came out to me. Um, he,

00:43:53.060 uh, he wanted me to watch a video and, and,

00:43:55.540 uh, so I watched this, you know, kind of a

00:43:57.020 documentary. It was a, um, made by a man

00:43:59.700 who had a relationship with another man. And,

00:44:01.900 uh, it ends tragically where the other man

00:44:03.740 died. Uh, true story. And, um, he said, I

00:44:06.200 want you to watch this because one guy

00:44:07.820 said, when I came out to my parents,

00:44:09.120 introduced him to Shane with the man's

00:44:11.620 name. Um, I, my nieces and nephews called

00:44:13.820 him uncle Shane and my whole family loved

00:44:15.440 him. And it was, it was great. But then

00:44:16.700 when Shane told his family about me, they

00:44:19.000 said, if you two ever show up on our front

00:44:20.800 door, you'll be met at the door with a

00:44:22.220 shotgun. And I remember he was showing me

00:44:24.520 this, this video. And, uh, like, I'm

00:44:27.220 thinking like, what, what, what does he

00:44:29.120 want? Like, you know, so it's video ends

00:44:31.480 and he says, so what do you think? And I

00:44:33.020 said, uh, are those my only two choices?

00:44:36.200 Like, because that sense of like, is it, is

00:44:38.440 it, is it, I'm going to have to embrace

00:44:40.080 and agree and celebrate everything you

00:44:41.500 choose or I hate you. Yeah. Oh yeah. Because

00:44:44.420 like that, I don't like either of those. And,

00:44:46.740 and it was funny because, um, I, I probably

00:44:49.800 am not closer to another human being on this

00:44:52.200 planet than I am to him because I love him

00:44:54.000 very, very much. Um, his dad even said

00:44:57.000 something interesting. His dad said, uh,

00:44:58.920 no good parent agrees with every decision

00:45:00.940 their child makes. Cause that's not a real

00:45:02.940 relationship. He said, some parents do, but

00:45:04.580 no good parent does. That's, that's, isn't

00:45:07.260 that's, that's not a real relationship. Is

00:45:08.980 it where I can't disagree with you and you

00:45:10.700 can't disagree with me? Um, because I have

00:45:12.680 to just always celebrate every choice you

00:45:14.220 make. No, I don't maintain that anyone

00:45:17.080 would choose to, you know, feel

00:45:19.320 transgender or to choose to experience

00:45:21.120 things have traction. And so I'm not

00:45:22.660 saying that I'm saying, choose to act on

00:45:24.760 something. And I think that when it comes

00:45:26.560 to being, you know, accused of being

00:45:28.080 haters, uh, the, the church or Christians

00:45:31.260 or whoever, I need to be really, really

00:45:33.420 clear about like, no, no, no, no, no. We

00:45:36.400 love this person. It's actually, so this,

00:45:38.400 this, this man, back in 2012, we had a

00:45:41.780 gay marriage debate in Minnesota. And so

00:45:43.900 all these lawn signs all over the place. And

00:45:46.060 so there was, you know, redefined marriage

00:45:48.000 and some keep marriage defined. Well, and I

00:45:50.500 remember, uh, this man had come over with

00:45:52.300 his, uh, his partner at the time, uh, to

00:45:54.480 the house and, and everyone in the house

00:45:56.820 just absolutely loved the two of them

00:45:58.420 because they're great guys. And we just,

00:46:00.680 of course, I mean, well, you know what we

00:46:03.120 believe, you know, when we know what you

00:46:04.440 believe, uh, but we're going to love you. And

00:46:06.500 it was so interesting because as they drove

00:46:08.280 away, they saw the lawn, the yard sign and

00:46:10.580 one side to the other said, wait a second, I'm

00:46:12.180 just so confused. Why? Because they, they loved us. Yeah. But

00:46:17.700 they have this sign like, yeah. And it was this

00:46:20.740 cognitive disconnect of, wait, you can

00:46:22.740 disagree with me and still love me. Absolutely

00:46:25.760 is the case. And, and this, and, and I

00:46:28.380 think the popular press and, uh, the

00:46:30.740 mainstream media and lefties, the secular

00:46:33.080 left, they don't understand when Pope Francis

00:46:36.460 set calls gay marriage, the, the lobby for

00:46:39.700 redefining marriage and redefining gender and

00:46:41.980 sexuality calls that a machination of the

00:46:44.180 devil, but simultaneously says, who am I to

00:46:47.280 judge? I have plenty of my own sins, my own

00:46:50.400 sins of the flesh. And even, you know, Dante

00:46:52.640 puts sins of the flesh much higher up than

00:46:55.680 sins of deception or whatever, though, in

00:46:58.560 terms of levels of hell, the adulterers and

00:47:01.560 sins of the flesh, they're kind of swirling

00:47:03.300 around in the, in the upper echelons. You

00:47:05.460 know, it's really the, the, uh, betrayers who

00:47:08.620 are way, way down lower. Yeah. It can get far

00:47:11.900 worse. And that second piece of like, you

00:47:13.620 know, when it, when you say, um, what does, why

00:47:15.560 is this now, how is this not hate? Remember,

00:47:17.880 uh, talking with someone and using the

00:47:20.000 example of, um, baseball and football. So, uh,

00:47:23.920 you know, baseball, there's, there's a lot of

00:47:25.580 flexibility when it comes to baseball. Um, you

00:47:27.520 can have, you know, the, the bases 90 feet

00:47:29.620 apart, like normal, you can have, you know, an

00:47:31.360 ump, you can not have no ump, you can either do

00:47:33.140 it yourself. You can have, uh, the bases

00:47:34.960 actually being those canvas things stuck with

00:47:37.120 whatever, or you can have, you know, first base

00:47:38.820 is someone's mitt, second base is someone's

00:47:40.600 t-shirt, you know, third base is, you know, a

00:47:42.760 hat and there's some flexibility, but to play

00:47:45.560 baseball, you need at least three essential

00:47:47.140 elements. You need a baseball, a baseball bat,

00:47:50.020 and you need to try to hit the ball with the

00:47:51.880 bat to score a run. And so, but those are the

00:47:54.960 essential things. You maybe take away the

00:47:56.160 baseball and replace it with a softball. You

00:47:58.120 have different games called softball, or you

00:47:59.800 replace it with a football or. Yeah. You take

00:48:02.920 away the bat and now you have catch. You're

00:48:04.780 playing catch. You take away, uh, the trying to hit

00:48:07.580 the ball with a bat to run around the bases to

00:48:09.920 score a run. And you're just having batting

00:48:11.720 practice or fielding practice, but to play

00:48:14.700 baseball, you need those three essential

00:48:16.100 things. So it's not, um, limitlessly

00:48:19.760 undefined, you know, it has some, some

00:48:21.860 essential. Now here comes a football player

00:48:23.760 and says, Hey, I want to play baseball. And

00:48:24.960 great. Uh, you're up next. He says, no, no,

00:48:27.720 but, but I, I want to keep playing football, but

00:48:30.900 I want you to call it baseball. He's like, well, we

00:48:33.400 can't do that. We usually can because, you

00:48:34.780 know, you guys don't have an ump or, you

00:48:36.860 know, we have an ump or you, we can play

00:48:38.300 on a, on a field. We play on a field. You

00:48:39.960 have teams. We have team. It's the same

00:48:41.800 game. Okay. But you don't have the

00:48:44.160 essential elements in it. I'm not even

00:48:46.060 going to get to the point of like

00:48:47.200 complaining about football and saying it's

00:48:48.980 not as good as baseball. Right. I'm just

00:48:50.720 saying they're different things. And

00:48:53.200 unless we can define a thing to say, it's

00:48:56.000 different in some people's minds means

00:48:58.100 you're saying it's bad and they're like,

00:49:00.400 wait a second, but I'm, I'm just, let's

00:49:02.540 just start with saying these are different

00:49:04.320 things. That's a great point to say I'm

00:49:05.920 married and a monogamous, same sex

00:49:08.700 relationship. I don't even have to say

00:49:11.660 one is bad. I can just say they're

00:49:13.280 different. That's right. And let's leave

00:49:14.720 it at that. Inherent in that there is

00:49:16.680 make without making any moral statement

00:49:19.620 whatsoever, you're making simply a

00:49:21.500 categorical statement on the nature of

00:49:23.600 two things. That is a great point. Now,

00:49:25.540 much more important than any of these

00:49:26.980 things. This has been an excellent

00:49:28.340 discussion, pretty illuminating, uh, even

00:49:31.320 for me. And I've just finished reading

00:49:33.080 your book, which I enjoyed very much,

00:49:34.740 much more important than any of these

00:49:36.020 things. Father Democrats have become

00:49:38.600 very extreme on abortion. They now

00:49:40.000 insist on killing pain capable late

00:49:42.480 term babies. Next up will be fourth and

00:49:44.620 fifth trimester abortion. They support

00:49:46.500 redefining marriage into nothing. Next

00:49:48.340 up will be polygamy and sologamy. That's

00:49:50.560 the new thing where you marry yourself

00:49:52.040 more on that on another episode, but it's

00:49:54.360 seems pretty rough. I think it's from sex

00:49:56.200 in the city as are many terrible things in

00:49:57.740 our culture. Uh, according to Pew

00:49:59.300 research, while all the votes were

00:50:00.820 relatively close, Catholic voters in

00:50:03.180 America picked Al Gore over George

00:50:05.680 Bush, Obama over McCain, Obama over

00:50:08.540 Romney in 2000, 2008 and 2012. A large

00:50:12.120 number of Catholics also supported John

00:50:13.960 Kerry and even Hillary Clinton. Why do

00:50:17.080 Catholics vote for Democrats? I, I think

00:50:21.500 it goes back to, um, this kind of sleight

00:50:24.240 of hand and the sleight of hand has to do

00:50:27.200 with, uh, Catholic social teaching is a

00:50:30.600 real, really important thing. And it's a

00:50:32.640 real thing, real thing. It's really

00:50:33.900 important thing. Catholic social

00:50:35.180 teaching. And so when you were raised

00:50:38.460 Catholic, you, you hear like, okay, care

00:50:40.220 for the poor, care for those who are

00:50:41.880 marginalized, care for those who are

00:50:43.660 weak and those that the world wants to

00:50:45.940 forget about. You're told this it's, it's

00:50:48.520 true. And then it comes along a political

00:50:51.120 party that says, Hey, we care for the

00:50:53.180 weak. We care for the marginalized. We care

00:50:54.920 for the poor. We care for those who are

00:50:56.120 bullied. We care for all these kinds of

00:50:57.380 things. And I think there's kind of a, a

00:50:59.880 bait and switch kind of thing happening

00:51:01.220 where Catholics say, well, yeah, that's

00:51:03.040 what, that's what happened. Like I, my, my

00:51:05.220 conscience has at least been formed in

00:51:06.780 that way. And so, well, I know that they

00:51:09.560 support abortion all the way to the end. I

00:51:12.300 mean, even like, you know, partial birth

00:51:13.520 abortion that people would vote for this

00:51:15.200 craziness. They're good. It's going to

00:51:16.920 become a fourth trimester abortion. That's

00:51:18.560 going to be the next thing. I'm positive.

00:51:19.920 And then, well, yeah, that, but, but what

00:51:24.160 about all those people that are helping

00:51:25.280 with helping refugees and helping this and

00:51:26.740 this and this? And I think, I just think

00:51:29.440 it's a lack of, um, lack of good

00:51:33.040 formation and the lack of, and I would even

00:51:35.420 say not only formation, I would say it's

00:51:37.120 lack of courage. Um, that's, that's

00:51:39.700 absolutely true because when it comes down

00:51:41.620 to it, I think that, uh, as a, as a

00:51:43.580 church, a lot of Catholics have become

00:51:44.980 really, really comfortable and we're

00:51:46.960 comfortable with status quo. And so, you

00:51:48.760 know, I got a call the other day

00:51:49.900 from a youth group leader who was saying

00:51:52.620 that, um, there's some young people in

00:51:54.700 her, in her school who, they were in

00:51:56.920 South Dakota in, uh, Sturgis, South

00:51:59.200 Dakota. There's a group of transgender

00:52:00.480 high school students in this high school.

00:52:02.320 I'm like, that's interesting. And, and

00:52:03.540 she said, yeah, our youth group kids, you

00:52:04.840 know, we're trying to be nice to them.

00:52:06.140 They were just really mean back to them.

00:52:07.500 And, and I'll say, what do you mean

00:52:08.600 really mean? Well, they gave them dirty

00:52:10.100 looks when they said hello in the hallway.

00:52:12.260 I thought, okay, well, let's pump the

00:52:14.660 brakes. That's not being really mean.

00:52:16.920 That's a ubiquitous sort of thing that

00:52:18.780 happens in high schools. And yeah.

00:52:21.560 Yeah. And I was like, and so I was

00:52:22.960 like, well, you know, I understand what's

00:52:24.460 going on, but, but we need to actually

00:52:26.480 prepare, um, the people, prepare the

00:52:29.640 people and prepare ourselves for like,

00:52:31.640 it's okay if people don't like you.

00:52:33.840 Jesus actually even said, people are

00:52:35.480 going to hate you.

00:52:36.560 For my sake.

00:52:37.560 For my sake.

00:52:38.280 For my sake. And then that sense of like

00:52:40.300 being able to say, let's, I'm going to

00:52:43.060 use a, uh, grow a pair. I was going to

00:52:45.420 say, I don't know if we can say that on

00:52:46.500 air on this show. Anything goes.

00:52:48.860 That's, that's some of the most polite

00:52:50.100 thing you can say on my show.

00:52:52.620 I'm in a pair of eyeballs and really

00:52:53.900 see the truth.

00:52:54.480 That's what I meant to say.

00:52:57.380 I like, I'm sorry, but please finish

00:52:59.520 the point.

00:53:00.900 No, but, but that, I think what needs

00:53:02.720 is a formation and courage. And I think

00:53:04.440 that's one, uh, there's two areas that

00:53:06.000 we're really lacking as a Catholic

00:53:07.400 church is formation and really, uh,

00:53:09.700 giving us, uh, encouragement to be

00:53:12.180 courageous. I love that point so much.

00:53:15.680 I, I, that, I think that's how I've

00:53:17.280 got to sign off my show from now on as

00:53:19.660 father Michael Schmitz tells us all

00:53:21.320 grow a pair of eyes to see the truth.

00:53:24.240 Father Michael Schmitz, author of made

00:53:26.400 for love, same sex attractions and the

00:53:28.260 Catholic church. And you can catch him

00:53:30.220 on YouTube. Father Schmitz, thank you

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