Ep. 999 - No Roe V. Wade Is Armageddon For Libs
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Pro-abortion advocate Anna Kasparian gives her thoughts on Roe v. Wade and why she thinks it should be overturned. Also, the Fed has been raising rates and plans to do so 7 times this year, and the stock market is in free fall!
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We have entered day three of the liberal freak out over the potential overruling of Roe versus
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Wade. Very few of the sounds and shrieks that the liberals are making even vaguely resemble
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arguments. But one guttural moan in particular that I heard, while still not constituting an
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argument, did get to the heart of the issue. This came from Anna Kasparian at the Young Turks.
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These comments might be strong, but it's how I genuinely feel. I don't care that you're a
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Christian. I don't care what the Bible says. I feel like it's a clown show, like sitting
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here trying to decipher what your little mythical book has to say about these very real political
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issues, right? I don't care if you're Christian. In fact, I will fight for you to have your religious
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liberty and practice your Christianity. I believe in that. I don't believe in Christianity, which
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means that you do not get to dictate the way I live my life based on your religion.
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I don't care what the Bible says. You have every right in the world. All those women who
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identify with your religion have every right in the world to not get an abortion, to not
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take birth control. But they do not have the right to dictate my life and what I decide to
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do with my body. I don't care about your goddamn religion.
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Anna doesn't care about our religion. Anna doesn't care what we believe. And I think
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she is expressing the actual view of what the left thinks here. The thing is, I don't
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care what she believes about this. I don't care what she believes about abortion, about
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infanticide on a separate issue. I don't care what she thinks about transgenderism. I don't
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care. And she doesn't get to force those views on me just because she really, really wants
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to. We live in a political community. We get to persuade one another of our views. I think
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that my view is correct on abortion, on transgenderism, on all sorts of other issues. And so we're
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going to persuade one another and we're going to have standards and we're going to decide
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how to live together in a political community within the bounds of the Constitution. That's
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how this works. So you can scream and yell and say, me, me, me, I want it my way. That's
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not the way government works. That's not the way politics works. We have a political community
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and limits called the Constitution. And there is simply no question, whatever you think
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about abortion or anything else, there is simply no question, there is no right to abortion
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in the Constitution. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.
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Welcome back to the show. My favorite comment yesterday is from Mikey79, who says, when we are
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told abortion is reproductive rights, I just want to ask them, well, what are you reproducing?
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Right? The very word, it's an ironic term, reproductive rights, because of course, abortion
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is not a right. And it results in the opposite of reproduction. The very fact that one is acknowledging
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that this is about reproduction tells you that there is a baby present and the baby has certain
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rights and you don't just have the right to kill the baby. We have a guest coming up who
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is going to articulate the pro-abortion side of this issue because, look, we don't want to
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98, 98, 98. Secure the gains that you've made while you still can. We don't want to just be talking in
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an echo chamber here. We don't want to be pyromaniacs in a field of straw men. And so we sometimes invite
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left-wingers on the show to present the strongest version of their point of view. I'm always very grateful
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when left-wingers come on the show. Not an easy thing to do. Most of them just refuse to do it.
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So I'm very pleased that our guest is Bronte Remzik, who is a third-year medical student,
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a social activist, very much in support of legal abortion. We've gone back and forth on TikTok and
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Twitter and MySpace and all sorts of social media platforms. So we thought, let's just have her on the
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show and discuss the issue. Bronte, thank you so much for coming on.
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Hi, Michael. I can't say that it's a pleasure, but I'm excited to help you expand your perspective.
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Well, that's very kind of you to do that. So Bronte, before we get to the issue of abortion
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itself, which I suspect we will get to, I guess we have to get to this issue that Anna Kasparian
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raised and that is really at the heart of this Supreme Court decision in the past week of the
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news cycle. Namely, does the Constitution enshrine a right to abortion? It seems very difficult to argue
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that it does. One, because I don't see that right anywhere. The judges who decided that there was a
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right in 1973, a right that previously had never been acknowledged in the Constitution, they said
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that it was found within the emanations and the penumbras, and they couldn't quite point to exactly
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where it was. But anyway, it's there. Then you had Planned Parenthood v. Casey in the early 1990s,
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which actually overruled part of Roe versus Wade, at least in the argument for why we needed legal
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abortion, but nevertheless upheld legal abortion. And it was all kind of just a big jumbled mess.
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So is it your position that the Constitution provides for some heretofore invisible right to an
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abortion, regardless of what you think about the issue? It is my opinion that we have a right to
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privacy and abortion is a medical procedure. And the right to privacy does extend to the discussions
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between a patient and a medical provider. Okay, but I could have a right to privacy with my
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mafia capo and we could decide to whack my political enemy. And those, I guess those conversations would
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be private. I don't think there is some generalized right to privacy in the Constitution, but even if
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they were, that would have no bearing on the life of the person that we're going to kill, right?
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Well, the discussion between you and your mafia friend is very different from a discussion between
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a patient and a medical provider. We have laws that protect patient privacy for this exact reason.
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But I suppose you're right. The distinction is that right now it's illegal for me to talk to my
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mafia boss and call out a hit on someone I don't like. And it is legal right now, at least according
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to the civil law, for a woman to talk to a doctor and kill her child. But that very likely will not
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remain legal if Roe versus Wade is overturned in 13, 14 states. Instantly, that will become illegal.
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So I guess I'm just talking about the matter itself beyond questions of the civil law,
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which might be changing in real time right now. What's the difference? If you're saying it's all
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about a right to privacy, I'm saying, no, it's about the baby that's being killed. So do you have an
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answer for that or are we just denying the humanity of the baby? No, absolutely. So when you put up a
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scenario of trying to put out a hit with the mafia, you are talking about murdering a born living,
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unconscious, sentient, autonomous person. When we talk about abortion, we are talking about ending a
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non-autonomous life. You do not have the right to bodily autonomy if you are not autonomous.
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And if you are a fetus prior to the limit of viability, you do not have autonomy. Therefore,
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you do not have the right to bodily autonomy. This is a great point. You reside inside of the
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body of an autonomous person. And the right to bodily autonomy allows you to refuse to use your
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body to support the life of another person. So this is a precise and important point you've made.
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You've acknowledged that abortion ends a life, but you've said, those were your exact words. You just
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said that the life is not autonomous. Would you say that a two-day-old post-birth baby is autonomous?
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It is. It has bodily autonomy and it's able, its body system is able to function autonomously. Yes.
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You are trying to get to the point where they require external resources, but any person can
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provide that infant external resources. The utilization of someone's internal organs is very
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different from providing external resources. You cannot force someone to be a parent and provide
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external resources. You can give up that child at any point that you stop consenting to your
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parental responsibilities and your parental rights. Okay. So that's fine. So we've acknowledged now
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that the baby is living in the womb or outside the womb. It's a living being. And that the baby
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is not really autonomous. I mean, maybe it's not attached by an umbilical cord, but it certainly
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doesn't have autonomy when it's two days old. It needs to eat. It needs everything taken care of for it.
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What you're saying is though, once the umbilical cord has been severed, the baby can be taken care
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of by someone else. So then my question is, why would we not merely encourage adoption? If the
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mother feels she can't take care of the baby, why not just give up the baby for adoption rather than
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killing the baby in the womb? Because pregnancy in itself is a very serious medical condition that has
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physical, mental, emotional, and financial burdens for the pregnant person. And to force a person to
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endure that experience against their will is simply immoral. And it's belittling the experience
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that pregnancy is. Well, so when you say against their will, what you are, you're referring to
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cases of rape basically, right? Because when you engage in sex, you are engaging in an act of the
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will, the consequence of which is historically speaking, always pregnancy. Correct. But when you
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consent to sex, you're not consenting to pregnancy. You are consenting to the possibility of pregnancy,
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but you can think of it like this. You can think of it like this. You understand the difference
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between consensual sex and sexual assault. You should then understand the difference between
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wanted pregnancy and unwanted pregnancy. Technically, physically, they are the same thing. But when your
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body is being used against your will and without your consent, those are very different experiences for
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the person. But Brunta, you've just acknowledged that when you consent to sex, you are consenting to the
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possibility of pregnancy. So there you have it. There you are. You have consented to that. Now, you
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might not want to become pregnant. You might want to use all sorts of contraceptives and things like
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that. But surely, I mean, you've just said it yourself. You are consenting to that possibility. And so now
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you're telling me that if one wants to then withdraw one's consent because one doesn't want to be
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uncomfortable for some matter of months, you're saying that the better alternative is to just kill the
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baby whom you have acknowledged is alive. First of all, calling pregnancy simply discomfort is
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belittling the experience. But you can also think it's beautiful and miraculous too, but it's also
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uncomfortable. There's the white man who will never experience it. But you can think of it, no.
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I thought that can men become pregnant or no? If you have a uterus.
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A man with a uterus. Do you have a uterus, Michael? Because if you don't have a uterus,
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then you're not the men that we're talking about. Well, look, I'm not a biologist, so I'm not sure
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if I'll become pregnant. I do have a little emoji that tells me that these days men can become
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pregnant. Regardless of that, if you're talking about non-consensual sex, what percentage of
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pregnancies arise from rape, incest, or involve a threat to the life of the mother? Well, it's hard to
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say because about three quarters of sexual assault go unreported. So any statistic that I would give to you
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is going to be inherently inaccurate. I'll give you a statistic, a statistic from the most
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left-wing source I can give, the Guttmacher Institute. It's the think tank for Planned
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Parenthood. Less than 1% of abortions take place because of rape, incest, or pose a threat to the
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life of the mother. So we're talking about an extraordinarily small number.
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Yeah, according to the ones that have been reported. According to the ones that have been
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reported. Don't you think if there were a scarier statistic that the most pro-abortion
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organization in the country might use those statistics?
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But these statistics are very difficult to collect because, again, sexual assault is a difficult
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issue when people don't often report them because you see how our political system doesn't often
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support victims of sexual assault. And so our system doesn't support people reporting sexual
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assault. Therefore, it is underreported. So this seems difficult for me, Bronte. Well,
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one, it seems that in the years after the Me Too movement, there was quite a great political impulse
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to report sexual assault and all sorts of sexual issues. But furthermore, you're telling me that
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we need to rely on these statistics, trust the science, trust the public health organizations
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when it's convenient for your argument and convenient for abortion. But we shouldn't trust
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the statistics when it's inconvenient for your argument and supports the pro-life argument.
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That is incorrect. You simply don't understand how these statistics work and how they are collected.
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When you understand and when you analyze statistics, you have to understand the bias
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and the flaws that they have. And what you are specifically citing statistics that have inherent
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flaws. That doesn't mean that all of the statistics that we cite are inherently flawed.
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You have to understand the issue at hand and how those statistics are collected.
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Okay, fair enough. So you're saying you don't believe these statistics that are inconvenient,
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but you say you have perfectly good reason not to believe the statistics. I suppose the question,
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though, is really beyond the statistics, isn't it? If you are acknowledging, Bronte, that the baby is
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alive, if you are acknowledging that the baby could be given up for adoption, if you are acknowledging
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that instances of rape are, I think we can acknowledge they're quite rare, at least when we're
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talking about, even if you dispute some of the statistics, they're the exception, not the rule.
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If you are acknowledging all sorts of, if you are acknowledging the relatively low maternal mortality
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rate, if you are acknowledging the advancements in science, if you are acknowledging that very,
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very few women die every year from illegal abortions and all sorts of the other scare statistics that
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come out, if you're acknowledging all of those numbers, even beyond that, don't we still have the
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fact of the baby? Don't we still have the non-utilitarian, non-statistical simple fact that you're talking
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No. So first off, you said that we have a low mortality rate, which actually we have one of the
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highest maternal mortality rates amongst all of the developed countries.
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But it's still quite low. What is the maternal mortality rate, according to the CDC?
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20 out of 100,000. And that includes communities that do not have very good public health outcomes
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because of various behaviors and pathologies in the community. So it's relatively quite low.
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How many women died from illegal abortion the year before Roe versus Wade?
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39 women. How many women died from legal abortion the year before Roe versus Wade?
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I think what you're misunderstanding is that death is not the only negative outcome of pregnancy.
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Just because you don't die does not mean that your life and your body is not impacted for the rest of
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your life. Because a lot of people are left with chronic pain and your body is functionally and
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structurally altered. And so death is not the most accurate statistic to determine whether or not
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There we go. So we move past the question of death and we say, well, really, forget about death for a
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second. It's just that it's very uncomfortable. And not only uncomfortable for nine months, it might
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be uncomfortable for the rest of your life, or it might change your body chemistry,
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might change the way you look or it might change. Is any of that, Bronte, I'll leave you with this
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because I know we're way over the time. Is any of that an argument now that we've kind of chipped
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away? I think at least it's up for the viewers to decide, chipped away at the constitutional argument
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or the legal argument or the statistical argument or the argument for mortality. Now we get down to,
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well, it's just, I just don't like what it does to my body. Is that an argument, Bronte,
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for killing a human being who you admit is alive?
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Absolutely. Everyone has the right to determine the status of their body. They have the right to
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decide when and how their body is used. And if you would like to go back to, I know that you've
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had a lot to say about vaccines and masks. So I don't think it's very confusing for you to
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understand when you are concerned about certain effects that certain things might have on your
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body. Someone has every right to decide whether or not they consent to that.
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Well, my only issue with the masks and all the COVID stuff is that it's very silly and disordered,
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but I'm not even making some sort of maximal bodily autonomy argument. Regardless though,
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I think they're a little different because we're acknowledging the baby. So I guess I would leave
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you with this thought from Naomi Wolf, a well-known feminist, made this point in the 1990s. She said
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that what the pro-abortion movement needs to be able to do is defend abortion. And she was,
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and I think still may be a defender of abortion. She said, we need to defend abortion by acknowledging
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the baby, the unborn baby. We need to say that the unborn baby is a baby. Stop pretending he's
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not a human. Stop pretending he's not alive. Acknowledge that he's a baby and say that for
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women to be equal, they must be able to kill the baby in all of his humanity. Would you agree with
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that statement? What I agree with is that in order to protect and value an unborn, non-viable,
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non-sentient life, you have to actively devalue and dehumanize the pregnant person.
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You cannot pretend to protect unborn life without actively dehumanizing and devaluing the pregnant
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person and removing their bodily autonomy. And that is the issue at hand.
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It seems to me when we treat women as mothers, we are valuing them. I think it's devaluing women
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to use them for sex and try to avoid the consequences of sex by killing the baby and
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then pretending it's somehow legitimate because the baby is not sentient. So as though we could
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kill someone in a coma or as though someone who were asleep, the baby were not particularly
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conscious as though we could kill people who had mental disabilities. I don't think any of those
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arguments really work. And I think, I think the issue that's at heart here is that you are
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suggesting that, uh, women, uh, being used as vessels for sexual pleasure without dealing with
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the consequences of sex, namely the creation of human beings, that that is somehow more liberating
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and more empowering than women coming together, uh, in love and giving that love with a man to a
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human being. I think that's what it really comes down to.
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I find it interesting that whenever you talk about women having sex, you say that we are used
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and that proves the fact. No, not whenever, not whenever only, no, no, only in your version of
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not, not in, I don't think women should be used for sexual pleasure. Incorrect. It does. It seems
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like men still believe that sex is something that they do to women and not. No, no, no. You must
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have misheard me, Bronte. I said that men and women, no, I, and I don't think I did, but that's up for
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the listeners to decide. I said that the, the more valuing, liberating, flourishing view of sex is that
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men and women come together because they are complimentary. They love one another. They join together in
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marriage and they create new human life. And that's a beautiful, miraculous, wonderful thing.
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And I think that the view of the pro-abortion movement is that women ought to be used as, uh,
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merely, uh, vessels for sexual pleasure with, with an out of accountability such that if there is a
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product of love or maybe not so much love, namely a child that comes out of that sexual union, that
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that baby ought to be killed. I think that's a devaluing of women, uh, rather than a valuing or a
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liberation. Minimizing women's value to the role of motherhood is simply misogynistic.
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Minimizing. I think that's maximizing, frankly. I think, I think the universe worldview,
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which is obviously flawed. Well, I don't know. We, we were both born of mothers and I'm quite
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happy for that value that was added to my life. And I'm very happy that my mother consented to the
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pregnancy that brought me forth, but I would never want my mother to bring me into the world against
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her will. All right. Uh, I, I, I mean, yeah, I, I don't think that, uh, I don't think our discussion
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of will or value or any of those things, I, I, I think it has boiled down to this, this particular
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point of, of what the body is for, right? I mean, isn't that kind of what we're talking about here
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is, is our body for, is sex for the maximal individual pursuit of pleasure or is it for something
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else? Is it for a baby? Is it for, uh, unitive love? Is it for something beyond just our own
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desires? Your body is whatever you want it to be used for. That is the basis of consent and bodily
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autonomy. You cannot decide what the use and value of someone's body is for them. And that is the root
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of the pro-choice stance. What about the, what about the body of the baby in the abortion?
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When the baby, when the baby lacks autonomy and it requires the body of an autonomous person in order
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to live, that autonomous person must exercise their bodily autonomy. And at any point they must
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consent to supporting that possible life. Must exercise. All right. I'm way over as usual,
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Bronte, but I, listen, I really appreciate your coming on. Uh, it's, uh, takes, takes a lot of
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chutzpah. I know there's a lot of sexual confusion these days, but it takes cojones to come on a
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conservative show and discuss the issue. Uh, I, I hope that, uh, as you think about this issue and stew on
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it some more, that, uh, your eyes are opened to the reality of the situation, but I, I appreciate your
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coming on in any case, Bronte Remzik, where can people find you? Absolutely. They can find me
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on TikTok at Bronte Remzik. I also have my website is bekindandcurious.com. All right. Thank you,
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Bronte. Appreciate it. Now, now that we have solved the issues of the world and resolved the most
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00:23:05.840
that she didn't quite go all the way to the Naomi Wolf statement, but I think she expressed that
00:23:13.380
view, which is, yeah, I was afraid that Bronte was going to say, no, it's not a baby. No, he's not
00:23:18.180
alive. No, it doesn't really matter. But Bronte said, no, the baby is alive. It's just that for women to be
00:23:24.660
equal, we need to, we need to be able to kill the baby. It's a, it's a ghastly argument, but I am
00:23:32.160
glad that she took it beyond, beyond the issue of even consent, right? She took it beyond, she just
00:23:40.300
said, no, this is an act of, this is an act of the will that I am going to force onto my baby and I'm
00:23:47.400
willing to stand by it. It's, it's ghastly, but it, it's a little more honest than a lot of the
00:23:52.560
pro-abortion arguments that one typically hears. It seems to me her, the weakest part of her argument
00:23:59.200
was on the constitution because she said, well, there's some general right to privacy. We have
00:24:02.460
no idea where it is, but don't worry. It's somewhere. We'll find it somewhere. And so that's
00:24:07.400
why you have the right to an abortion. That, that doesn't really hold water. Roe versus Wade held
00:24:11.340
that you could kill a baby based on a trimester system. This was partially overruled in Planned
00:24:16.200
Parenthood v. Casey in 1992 and it replaced the trimester system with a viability system.
00:24:21.700
So once the baby is viable, then you can have restrictions on abortion. But even viability
00:24:27.140
is very difficult because modern medical technology has moved that scale so far back that, that
00:24:32.420
viability is always going to be a moving target. Uh, now, uh, the Dobbs case is deciding whether
00:24:38.920
or not there's a right to an abortion at all. I don't think there is, but there, there are
00:24:42.340
two, two arguments that the conservatives can make and the pro-lifers can make here. One
00:24:46.560
is that it's the sort of, uh, Scalia argument that abortion is simply not mentioned in the
00:24:51.160
constitution. This is an issue for the legislatures and this is an issue for the states. There is
00:24:55.120
a stronger argument, I think, which was recently pushed by the legal scholars, John Finnis
00:24:59.700
and, uh, Robbie George, uh, who argued in a brief on the Dobbs case that actually the Supreme
00:25:06.060
Court does have a right to determine abortion policy because the 14th amendment to the United
00:25:11.000
States constitution prohibits abortion. And the reason for that is that people have equal
00:25:17.140
protection under the laws. And they make a really strong argument that, uh, that even,
00:25:22.960
even the phrase born persons refer to babies who have not yet been born. And the argument
00:25:29.260
for this goes back to Blackstone's commentaries, probably the most famous treatise on the English
00:25:34.900
common law published before the American revolution, which says explicitly that babies in the mother's
00:25:39.980
womb are for all intents and purposes of the law already born. And we know that this was
00:25:45.500
in the minds of the people who were writing the 14th amendment because the 14th amendment
00:25:49.820
is based on the civil rights act of 1866. And you see in the debates regarding the civil
00:25:55.120
rights act of 1866, you see direct references to this sort of thing in Blackstone and elsewhere.
00:26:00.120
So we don't need a crystal ball. You don't need to take out your Noel Stradamus hat to think,
00:26:04.320
well, what did the framers really mean? What do these words really mean? We actually know there's
00:26:09.060
a lot of writing and a lot of debate on the issue. That would be a stronger argument.
00:26:14.160
Regardless though, the argument that seems to have won the day if the Alito case is,
00:26:19.180
or if the Alito opinion in the court is legitimate, which it would appear to be,
00:26:23.680
is that the issue is going to go back to the states and the issue is going to go back
00:26:26.700
to the legislatures. And so it's not the end of the pro-life movement. Really,
00:26:30.020
it's only the very beginning. Uh, this is going to get much more heated, much more hot.
00:26:36.700
We can go back to Anna Kasparian on, on the young Turks who made another, not legal,
00:26:42.320
not scientific, not medical argument, but another emotional plea as to why we should have legal
00:26:49.580
abortion. We don't even have paid family leave. We don't even have affordable childcare in this
00:26:55.940
freaking country. Okay. And the people who fight against those kinds of laws are Republicans.
00:27:02.360
And yet- What do you want them to do with their kids when they have to go to work?
00:27:07.540
What do you want them to do? What do you want them to do? I want them to answer that freaking
00:27:11.420
question. Answer the question. Journalists, ask them the question. Ask them. Ask them.
00:27:19.980
Ask them. Ask them the question. God. Okay, I'll answer. Anna, I'll answer the question. It's okay.
00:27:28.940
What do you want mothers to do with their kids? Raise them. That would be one idea. What do you
00:27:33.720
want mothers to do with their kids? Yeah, they could raise their kids would be one option.
00:27:38.080
But what about when they go to work? Well, ideally, they could stay home and their husbands could go to
00:27:44.980
work. And I know that that's difficult these days because the way the economy has been restructured.
00:27:49.100
Well, ideally, hopefully, we can rework the American economy such that you can support a
00:27:55.560
family on one income. That would be my ideal solution. And Blake Masters running in Arizona
00:28:00.400
is calling for that sort of thing. J.D. Vance, the Senate candidate who just won the Ohio GOP primary,
00:28:06.460
he's calling for that sort of thing. We had that for a long time in this country. That would be a
00:28:10.540
solution to that question. Well, what about single mothers? Well, we could discourage divorce
00:28:16.460
and we could encourage marriage. What are we going to do? What if you just can't raise the kid,
00:28:21.980
you don't feel you're capable? Well, you could give the kid up for adoption. You could do literally
00:28:26.280
anything else other than kill the kid, right? How about we try that? Simple answers to this. You
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don't need to get all heated and angry and emotional. Very often when people get heated and angry and
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altoira.com slash Michael. Jen Psaki, speaking on behalf of the president, she was asked, will Joe Biden
00:30:00.060
accept a Supreme Court opinion that overrules Roe versus Wade and overrules Planned Parenthood v. Casey?
00:30:07.220
And Jen Psaki didn't quite answer. If the Supreme Court does move to strike down Roe, should Americans
00:30:14.140
be prepared to accept that decision as legitimate? And would President Biden accept that decision as
00:30:21.020
legitimate? Well, I can't speak for what actions could be possible on the legal front. I would point
00:30:26.940
any of the Department of Justice on that. But what I can tell you will happen is, and this is what we
00:30:32.020
are preparing for the possibility of, that if Roe were to fall, abortion would probably be illegal in
00:30:37.960
about half the states in the country, up to 26 states, particularly in the South, the Midwest, and West.
00:30:44.800
It sounds like you're saying then that's a yes, he would consider this a legitimate decision.
00:30:48.440
Well, there is not even a decision yet. We don't know the validity of the, we know that this is a
00:30:53.840
leaked document. It is not the final opinion. So I just can't speak to that hypothetically at this
00:30:57.800
point in time. Of course you can speak to that. What are you talking about? It's a leaked opinion.
00:31:02.380
It's a, it's an opinion that everyone has been expecting for a long time, which is that the
00:31:07.200
Supreme Court has overruled Roe versus Wade. Will the president accept that? Well, I just, I don't know.
00:31:12.020
I can't even imagine that. What are you talking about? You Democrats have been fundraising on this
00:31:14.940
for 50 years on the threat of overruling Roe versus Wade. You, you certainly can imagine that.
00:31:20.780
It's a very simple answer. Yes, the president respects the Supreme Court. Yes, the president
00:31:25.420
respects the separation of powers and our constitutional structure and our democracy.
00:31:29.860
Oh, wait a second. No, you don't respect any of that stuff when it's not convenient for you.
00:31:34.380
I never want to hear it again. I never want to hear about January 6th and our sacred democracy.
00:31:40.780
When you walk into the Capitol, the sacred temple of democracy, you don't believe any of that
00:31:44.920
crap. You don't believe that for one second. Because the moment that the Supreme Court
00:31:51.800
rightly upholds and interprets the constitution, you suggest, yeah, we're not going to do that.
00:31:59.020
It reminds me of, of the Democrats who made such a big fuss about getting Donald Trump to say that
00:32:04.000
he would accept the results of the 2016 presidential election. And then he won and the Democrats didn't
00:32:08.360
accept the results of the 2016 election. That's what we're talking about. So transparent. By the way,
00:32:14.100
we're getting more wins from the Supreme Court. There's a big win just came out, totally separate
00:32:18.440
from the abortion issue. This was on the First Amendment. There was a case in Boston over at
00:32:24.620
the Boston City Hall. There are multiple flagpoles that are standing there. And one of the flagpoles
00:32:31.480
is open to fly various flags that the community wants to put up. And so they put all sorts of flags
00:32:37.600
up there. And a Christian group wanted to fly a flag. And Boston City Hall said, absolutely not.
00:32:42.720
You can't do that. The Supreme Court just ruled that that was a violation of the Christian group's
00:32:48.360
First Amendment rights. The city had already approved more than 280 flag raisings over a dozen years.
00:32:53.540
They only rejected one. And that was Camp Constitution's Christian flag. So this was a
00:32:59.080
unanimous Supreme Court decision. Even the libs went on with this and said, no, you can't. You can't just
00:33:04.620
single out the Christians and say that you don't get speech. But every other group in the country
00:33:09.420
does get speech. This was a really good opinion. And actually, Justice Stephen Breyer, who is a
00:33:14.060
liberal justice on the court, he even got a snarky little comment in there about how ugly Boston City
00:33:18.800
Hall is. So he said that the flagpole at issue stands at the entrance of Boston City Hall, built in
00:33:24.820
the late 1960s. Boston City Hall is a raw concrete structure, an example of the brutalist style.
00:33:29.900
Critics of the day heralded it as a public building that articulates its functions with strength,
00:33:33.960
dignity, grace, and even glamour. The design has since proved somewhat more controversial.
00:33:38.960
See Boston City Hall named world's ugliest building, which is true. It is one of the ugliest buildings
00:33:45.260
in the world. So this was, generally speaking, a wonderful decision for conservatives, for Christians.
00:33:52.340
And yet I knew, I know even as I read this, I knew putting my little Nolstradamus hat on,
00:33:58.880
taking on my crystal ball, I knew this is going to be used by the Satanists.
00:34:01.880
And not two days later, the Satanists come out and they say that they want to raise their flag at
00:34:08.840
City Hall. And the leader, the co-founder of the Satanic Temple says, religious liberty is a bedrock
00:34:15.360
principle in a democracy and religious liberty is dependent upon government viewpoint neutrality.
00:34:20.480
Therefore, we want to raise the Satanic flag over City Hall. This is going to split people,
00:34:26.080
even on the right. The hardcore libertarian types are probably going to say, yeah, let the Satanists
00:34:32.740
raise their flag. Viewpoint neutrality, man. And the conservative people are going to say,
00:34:37.960
no, no, we're not, we're not going to tolerate Satanist flags flying above City Hall.
00:34:43.540
So who's right? Well, according to the principle that the Satanists articulated,
00:34:49.900
any flag should fly, right? He said that we need viewpoint neutrality. The government cannot have
00:34:55.300
any views on any matter whatsoever. It's the same thing that Anna Kasparian was articulating
00:35:00.940
at the top of the show. I don't, I hate Christianity and I'm not a Christian, but you can have your
00:35:05.600
Christianity. Just don't impose it on me, she says, as she's imposing her views on us. That's the,
00:35:11.140
that's the Satanist position, viewpoint neutrality. Conservatives know there's no such thing as
00:35:16.760
neutrality. First of all, here's a little history check. Here's a good rule of thumb. What would
00:35:21.380
Washington do? What would the founding fathers do? What would the men who built our country do?
00:35:25.380
Do you think they would, they would exalt the raising of a satanic flag as the high point of the
00:35:32.040
blessing of liberty? No, I don't think so. I think they would run the Satanists out of
00:35:35.460
town on a rail and they would, they would probably deport them from the country. So no. So what
00:35:40.460
happened? How did we end up in this spot? Well, the view that, that this guy articulated, viewpoint
00:35:44.780
neutrality, comes in recent years from a 1995 Supreme Court case, Rosenberg versus Rectors and
00:35:53.020
Visitors of the University of Virginia. This, this case is really the beginning of our national
00:35:59.040
obsession with viewpoint neutrality. And, and conservatives and Christians have, have really embraced this
00:36:05.200
idea of viewpoint neutrality because at the moment it's protecting religious people, or it seems to
00:36:10.100
be protecting religious people from the predations of an atheist culture. But it's a silly idea.
00:36:14.680
There, there is, of course there's no neutrality. Of course there is no, of course a political
00:36:19.800
community has the right and the obligation to say that some things are good and some things are bad.
00:36:24.200
Every political community in the history of the world has held something sacred and, and held other
00:36:29.220
things taboo. There's no avoiding that. We can bury our heads in the sand and pretend otherwise,
00:36:32.960
but that's not the case. We have sacred images today. Unfortunately, the sacred images in our
00:36:37.580
country are the pride flag. The sacred images are the face of George Floyd, the sacred images,
00:36:42.520
but we have them and we have a whole liturgical calendar. We have a culture and we have ultimately
00:36:49.260
religious views that must be held because all politics ultimately comes down to religion,
00:36:54.780
whether Anna Kasparian or the head of the satanic temple want to admit it or not. Okay.
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We'll be right back with a lot more. Speaking of demonic activity, the Secretary of Health and Human
00:39:09.240
Services, Xavier Becerra, is now publicly defending irreversible sex mutilation for children.
00:39:17.360
Could you explain what irreversible top and bottom sex change surgeries are and why that is on the
00:39:29.940
portal as well? Senator, as you've just indicated, there are many different types of procedures that
00:39:38.260
can be deployed. What I will say to you is, again, in any case, no individual, no patient will proceed
00:39:46.160
forward unless his or her doctor has advised of the procedure. And it is considered by the FDA and
00:39:55.200
others who have to go ahead and certify a medicine or a procedure to be safe and effective.
00:39:59.800
So I'll try to distill it into a more simple form. In what case would it be appropriate
00:40:06.360
to perform irreversible sex change surgery on kids? Those decisions are made by that individual
00:40:15.760
in consultation with physician and caregivers. And no decision would be made without having
00:40:23.560
consulted appropriately. The decision will be made by the kids. Hold on. I thought the whole point of
00:40:28.720
kids is that they can't make decisions. They can't give consent. That's why we have consent laws.
00:40:33.100
That's why we say that a 16-year-old can't consent to have a one-night stand because that kind of a
00:40:40.300
sexual decision is too great. And we as a society have decided that we should not allow 16-year-olds
00:40:47.140
to make that kind of decision. And yet we're going to make, if we're not going to allow a 16-year-old
00:40:51.120
to make a fleeting sexual decision, why would we allow a six-year-old to make a permanent
00:40:56.420
irreversible sexual decision? It doesn't make a lot of sense. But it's actually the same issue
00:41:03.460
that Bronte was talking about at the top of the show. I was so happy that Bronte didn't just focus
00:41:08.460
on consent or straw man arguments because she got down to the heart of it, which is autonomy.
00:41:12.460
So it's what I want to do. It's my will. We've focused our entire politics on will. I want.
00:41:20.080
Okay, you're even seeing this in some of the reaction to the Supreme Court right now.
00:41:22.920
Why are we listening to the Supreme Court? We have the power. Let's just knock down the
00:41:27.160
Supreme Court. Let's burn this thing to the ground. That's what people are saying because
00:41:31.100
they're pursuing a politics of pure will, divorced from logic and divorced from reality. And that's
00:41:37.780
not good. So when we do that, I want to be as charitable as I can to Xavier Becerra. Maybe he's
00:41:43.380
a groomer. Maybe he's a creep. Maybe he's a weirdo. But probably he's not. He's probably just
00:41:46.680
deluded. And he's probably just in the thrall of this ideology that says that all that matters is
00:41:53.980
our own exercise of the will. And little kids and little babies create a problem for this because
00:41:58.760
they do not have fully developed wills. They cannot really exercise their autonomy whatsoever.
00:42:04.900
And we have a responsibility to restrain our autonomy and our desires so that we can take care
00:42:10.140
of those children. That's the difference between a politics that's entirely about rights and
00:42:15.280
entitlement and a politics that recognizes that, no, we're not born free-floating atoms,
00:42:18.960
that actually we're born with responsibilities and duty and we're born into a family and into
00:42:23.580
a legal community and into a political community. We have responsibilities, especially to kids,
00:42:31.480
which brings up the most important national saga, of course, Kim Kardashian and Kanye West and
00:42:38.400
Ray J and the sex tape. This story has been floating around really for 15 years now,
00:42:43.940
but it's come back up in the news because Kim Kardashian is plugging a new show.
00:42:48.060
And what Kim Kardashian said was that her son was looking on the computer and saw an ad pop up
00:42:53.520
for new scenes from Kim Kardashian's sex tape. And she came out and made a big news story out of this
00:42:59.360
and said, I'm being victimized again. And I was already victimized when the tape was leaked so many
00:43:04.220
years ago. And I'm the victim of revenge porn or something like that. And now there's new stuff.
00:43:09.720
And there was this whole long saga. And Kim Kardashian's co-star in the sex tape just came
00:43:14.380
out and said, that is not what really went down. I did not. I'm not the bad guy here. I did not
00:43:20.980
secretly leak this tape. Actually, Kim, you and I agreed to release this tape and your mother
00:43:26.240
brokered the deal. And we've all been business partners on this tape for 15 years and we're still
00:43:30.360
making money on it. That was his argument. Again, I don't know exactly who's telling the truth here,
00:43:36.400
but there have been rumors for a long time that Kim Kardashian was in on this because she saw that
00:43:42.420
Paris Hilton's sex tape made her a big star. And so there was a planned release of the sex tape before
00:43:47.080
Kim Kardashian's TV show. Regardless of what really happened here, this is awful for the kids.
00:43:53.820
This is awful. It's awful to put kids in this situation. It's awful to put your whole personal
00:43:58.760
life on television all the time for years and years for everyone to see. It's awful if the story is
00:44:03.140
true that Mrs. Kardashian, what's her, Kris Jenner pimped out her daughter to make some money. That
00:44:09.940
would be very sad if that is true. And it would be much better if we just didn't allow this stuff.
00:44:15.300
Okay, what then? What the overruling, the potential overruling of Roe versus Wade is showing us
00:44:22.840
is that we actually have a lot of rights in the political community. When a bunch of robed lawyers
00:44:28.080
on the Supreme Court don't take our rights away, when a bunch of robed technocrats in the CDC and
00:44:33.320
the NIH like Dr. Fauci don't take all of our rights away, we the people have a lot of rights.
00:44:37.400
There are boundaries set by the Constitution, but they're relatively limited. And then we the people
00:44:41.980
can kind of decide how we want to live. What if we passed a law that said, hey, no porn. Porn is
00:44:47.780
illegal. We've had laws like that in this country before. What if we passed a law that said, hey,
00:44:52.920
no more porn. Kim Kardashian wouldn't have to worry about her kid finding her sex tape ads on the
00:44:58.480
internet. Almost certainly wouldn't have to be much, much harder to distribute that sort of thing.
00:45:03.340
Furthermore, we wouldn't have the Kardashians. Can you imagine how great that would be? That's,
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that's what I'm going to run on when I, when I try to pass this bill. Okay, no more weird internet
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sex tape porn stuff. I'm going to get out there and I'm going to say my strongest argument is had we
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had this law in place in 2007, we wouldn't be subjected to the plague of the Kardashians and all of
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their TV shows and all of, all of their tawdry culture. What if we just did that? We can do that.
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We have the right. And Anna Kasperian can cry about it. And lots of libs can cry about how we
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have the right to set our own community standards here. But we do. Okay. And we have to do it.
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Someone's going to set it. Either it's going to be the radicals or it's going to be us. What if we say
00:45:41.260
no more, no more chopping off the genitals of the little kids, no more cross sex hormones for
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seven-year-olds. We can do that. What if we said no more transgender surgery for anyone because it's
00:45:49.880
wrong and it harms everybody and it helps nobody. We can do that. We can do that. We have political
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power if we are willing to exercise it. Okay. We got to talk about really tangible things here.
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When you, when you talk about the digital world, whether you're talking about digital sex tapes
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or anything else, there was a, a video that went viral about a week ago that I loved so much.
00:46:09.780
Everyone was making fun of the girls in this video. I thought they made a great point. The question
00:46:14.260
was if I offered you right now, one Bitcoin or $100 bill, which would you take? $100 cash or a
00:46:22.720
Bitcoin? Okay. What would you rather take? $100 cash or a Bitcoin? I got to say $100 cash. $100 cash
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every single time. Why, why, why? Bitcoin is a little fake to me. Not going to lie. I, first of all,
00:46:38.800
don't know what Bitcoin is. Second of all, it seems like a scam. But it's at $40,000.
00:46:43.980
I don't give a shit. $100 cash in my hand? $40,000? What is that? Dollars. What are we getting?
00:46:50.600
We're getting straight dollars. Like $100 cash in my hand feels way more tangible and way more real
00:46:58.340
than like Bitcoin. Like I don't, I don't even know what Bitcoin is. Now I know these girls are
00:47:04.360
totally wrong and misguided, except they're obviously right. Yes, it's true. Today, a Bitcoin
00:47:09.840
is worth whatever, 40 grand or something. And the $100 is $100. But the point they're making,
00:47:15.920
which is that Bitcoin seems kind of scammy and fake and weird and not very tangible. That's
00:47:19.520
obviously true. I say this as someone, I've lost money on cryptocurrencies because I thought, oh,
00:47:23.580
this would be a fun kind of currency. It goes up and down and up and down. And it's really just a
00:47:26.340
speculative asset at this point. Unfortunately, because of Joe Biden's inflation, the $100 bill isn't
00:47:30.860
worth very much anymore either. But it does seem more tangible. And beyond this sort of silly viral
00:47:36.360
video where the girls were supposed to pick the Bitcoin, but they said, no, I actually want
00:47:39.900
something tangible. This gives us an important lesson about politics. Offer voters something
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tangible. The American people are rebelling against the virtual reality that the libs are trying to stuff
00:47:52.240
on us. The telecommuting and the stay in your pod and don't own anything and you'll be happy.
00:47:56.580
And the transgenderism and the transhumanism, people are rebelling against that. You're seeing
00:48:01.040
it in Virginia. You're seeing it in Florida. You're seeing it all around the country.
00:48:04.040
The arguments that are going to win the day on abortion are just looking at the baby. Hey,
00:48:07.220
look, it's a baby. You shouldn't kill babies. That's a bad idea. Don't get in your own head.
00:48:15.500
Don't clench defeat from the jaws of victory. Don't get lost pie in the sky. Offer people tangible
00:48:20.140
stuff. When we're looking ahead to the midterms, when we're looking ahead to 2024, hey,
00:48:24.100
we need cheaper gas. Hey, we need cheaper food. Hey, we need to protect your kids from weirdos
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in schools. Leave the crazy, bizarre, virtual reality metaverse theories to the libs. That
00:48:34.740
is not popular. People want cold, hard cash and cold, hard reality. I'm Michael Knowles.
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