00:02:49.500It was a very fun night in 2016, very memorable.
00:02:52.420I had an argument with Jamel Bowie that made him leave the bureau and he had to walk around the city and then he wrote about it for Slate.
00:02:59.240The thing that I remember the most from the time there is that every time I talked to Scott Pelley, he reminded me of the doofy anchor from Die Hard, who, you know, they had that scene where the psychologist is talking about Helsinki syndrome.
00:07:55.260every time the Trump administration says a deal is forthcoming, the Iranians try to dunk on him.1.00
00:08:00.180And so there is no deal that is forthcoming that will be anything good. And I think that1.00
00:08:03.620when people say, was this a good idea, was it a bad idea? Like every other war, you only know
00:08:07.660whether it was a good idea or a bad idea in retrospect. Some wars that start off bad and
00:08:12.220well, some wars that start off well and poorly. But we're not going to know until we hit the
00:08:16.760endgame here. But I don't know where you're at on this, man. So in the interest of adding some
00:08:22.340fire to the friendly fire. Let me give the case from kind of the other side, even though I don't
00:08:26.840agree with it. The case from basically Republicans on Capitol Hill is that the Trump administration
00:08:32.360kind of went into this believing that they had plans that could deal with Iran doing, basically
00:08:39.060playing the cards that it's played with mining the strait, that they expected more help from
00:08:44.720the Europeans who obviously, you know, the ballistic missile program that the Iranians have0.53
00:08:50.180can reach into basically every, you know, major city in Europe, particularly in Western Europe,0.94
00:08:55.980which I think was a shock to people when they saw those concentric circles and the like,1.00
00:09:00.080and that they, for some reason, you know, have been surprised by the way that the Iranians have0.98
00:09:05.680approached this in a way that they shouldn't have been. I don't know that that's true or not,
00:09:09.680but that's basically the message that you hear when you talk to Republicans on Capitol Hill.0.98
00:09:13.680And so they're just trying to save their asses. They're trying to basically say,0.98
00:09:16.960you know, if we lose in November, then it's just going to be another impeachment and more
00:09:22.000investigations and all these other things. And so the president needs to wrap this up as quickly
00:09:26.880as possible so that we're going to have cheap gas prices in the summer. I don't think the president
00:09:31.120buys that at all. I think the president is basically saying, no, as he explicitly said
00:09:36.460this past week, you know, he doesn't care. He's not thinking about the midterms. He's thinking
00:09:40.100about the long term. He's thinking about Iran with a nuclear weapon. He's thinking about,
00:09:45.400you know, the future essentially and his legacy. And that does not necessarily matter when it comes
00:09:51.340to the plight of Republicans in the House of Representatives who spend more time just kind
00:09:56.860of picking at each other and fighting than they do actually doing anything functional.
00:10:00.760So from my perspective, that's basically what this tug of war has been. And Republicans on
00:10:05.340Capitol Hill are ticked off at him anyway because of the things that he's done when it came to
00:10:09.340Senate endorsements, the Cassidy thing, the Cornyn thing, you know, all this other stuff.
00:10:13.560And so I think they're just looking out for their, you know, they're just engaged in CYA and the administration is being affected by that. And that's why I think that they're kind of playing this in the way that, as you say, and I agree, doesn't make a lot of sense and doesn't really deal with the problem as it stands and could ultimately end up being just a bad deal.
00:10:34.300I think the one thing that we can have in terms of some confidence, though, is that the president doesn't want to be remembered for making a bad deal.
00:10:41.200He hated the Iran deal. He hated Barack Obama over it.
00:10:44.940And so, you know, the degree of confidence that you have in Donald Trump to kind of cut a good deal on this is basically the test here.
00:10:53.620Yeah. So, Isabel, where are you at on all this?
00:10:55.320Obviously, you know, it didn't go, I think, so far as as well as I would have wanted it to go, because I think, frankly, the president shouldn't have cease fired in late April, early May.
00:11:05.680I think that it hasn't gone nearly as poorly as critics of the war are suggesting, where they say it's a catastrophic failure for the United States.
00:11:10.980I just don't I don't see any evidence at all that this is a quote unquote catastrophic failure.
00:11:14.220But that in between space is definitely an awkward space.
00:11:17.900Yeah, I don't think it's a secret that people are upset over this, Ben, in particular, people under the age of 40 or 35.
00:11:23.620this core young conservative voter base that did decisively deliver a victory to the Trump
00:11:29.080administration in November of 2024 and cited no more involvement in foreign wars as one of the
00:11:34.540primary reasons for electing Donald Trump and J.D. Vance at the time. A lot of that came from people
00:11:40.020like Charlie Kirk, who regularly spoke out about this on his show leading up to the 2024 election
00:11:44.360and certainly was a key advisor to the Trump administration in those early months before
00:11:48.660his assassination last year. This seems to me to be one of the primary things that voters are
00:11:53.760paying attention to going into the midterm elections and certainly in deciding who the
00:11:58.380heir apparent and the next king will be going into 2028, although no kings. I got to be careful. No
00:12:03.600kings, no kings in America. That said, I wonder even if everything were to come to an end tomorrow,
00:12:09.480if that really would help the Republican Party going into the midterm elections.
00:12:13.460I don't know. And if I'm putting my Trump administration hat on, I'm probably betting
00:12:17.560on the fact that only once, I believe, in American history has the party that won the White House and
00:12:22.640a full sweep of Congress held on to that majority during the midterm elections. The status quo has
00:12:27.480always been that you can pretty much expect to lose at least the House, if not the House and
00:12:31.680Senate together, come midterms. And it's a totally different realm of the presidency in those last
00:12:36.000two years in office. So I'm guessing he's probably thinking a lot more legacy rather than chances for
00:12:41.300the Republican Party at the midterms. Yeah, I mean, if you look at the midterms right now,
00:12:45.580I will say that obviously the polls are not good for Republicans.
00:15:33.920But Congress is failing to act or acting completely not in their own self-interest, really losing the election for themselves up front.
00:15:42.240I just don't know why you would vote for a Republican.
00:15:45.020Like, I just I don't hear their vocalization of like what they would actually offer us, what they would do.
00:15:52.400They don't seem to be doing much with the power that they do have other than basically being a block for the Democrats.
00:15:58.280And, you know, the fact that the Senate can't get its act together on so many different
00:16:02.020things, the fact that, you know, you've got this Republican leadership that just sort
00:16:05.300of seems like they're asleep at the wheel.
00:16:07.900I don't think they're doing themselves any favors either.
00:16:10.020So, you know, a lot of this, everybody says that all of this revolves around Trump, but
00:16:13.280like the anti-Trump base of the Democratic Party is going to be activated anyway.
00:16:17.140They're going to be completely, you know, dedicated to this.
00:16:19.360And we've seen that, you know, ever since this era began.
00:16:22.460But I just don't see a lot of Republican arguments for why they should keep their jobs, why they should be sent back that are really taking hold.
00:16:31.040And, you know, as Isabel said, the concerns about the the economy and energy prices are the driving actual issue here.
00:16:40.660There are fewer people who are complaining about the Iran war, even, you know, whatever the polls sort of say.
00:16:45.080It's more about how is this affecting me?
00:16:47.760And I don't see or hear Republicans talking about that at all in many cases, I think, because they don't know how to talk about it.
00:16:55.520And they've become so devoted to the Trump approach to politics that they're just kind of standing around waiting for him to say something so that they can all agree, which is not.
00:17:05.060Well, I think that's right. I also think that when it comes to the Iran war, particularly the president keeps saying that basically don't you're not going to experience pain.
00:17:12.600He's saying that with regard to the oil prices. Right. He's trying to talk the oil markets down.
00:17:16.380And the reality is that if you want to actually get the outcome that is the best outcome here, you will need to see a temporary price spike in oil.
00:17:23.060If he hits the oil facilities in Iran because he wants to get out and make it faster, then you will see a temporary spike and then it will come down.
00:17:28.740And that was sort of the original promise here was that this thing would be quick.
00:17:33.200And instead, if it seems to drag out, then even if the price spike is only moderate, like from $70 a barrel to $98 a barrel and not to $150 a barrel, people don't like slow moving disasters.
00:17:45.140Actually, the American people can take a fast moving problem that solves itself fairly quickly a lot easier than they can take this kind of slow feeling of stagnation, which is what you got under Joe Biden.
00:17:54.720And I think that's the thing that Trump is running up against.
00:17:56.480By the way, speaking of Susan Collins in Maine running against an actual Nazi, you know, the guy with the Nazi.
00:18:01.640I don't know. I feel like it's fair. John Fetterman said it. He's right.0.78
00:18:03.680If you have a Nazi tattoo, I feel like I can call you a Nazi.0.90
00:18:06.100I feel like that's like what are our standards at this point?0.52
00:19:36.000You know, I think the Republicans are I think they'll win Michigan because I think that the people of Michigan are not super hot on terrorism.
00:19:41.220But we'll find out. We might have our first actual full on terror supporter in the in the actual Senate, which would be surprising.
00:19:46.880But that'll that'll make up for some losses in some of the other areas.
00:19:50.240Well, you know, all of this. Listen, I think that the big thing for Republicans is that they should not sleep on the possibility that things could get even worse because things can always get worse.
00:20:00.460But you should sleep on your Helix Sleep mattress. That's the reality.
00:20:05.260Your Helix Sleep Mattress is the thing
00:20:07.420that will allow you to sleep better at night.
00:20:10.020And that Helix Sleep Mattress allows me to sleep
00:20:12.640through all of the chaos and all of the insanity.
00:20:16.700Helix, of course, is the mattress sponsor
00:21:50.100Is that not available to me as an unavailable answer?
00:21:54.060I mean, if you believe we're going to win, then I want I want some of what you're having
00:21:57.400because, you know, again, I don't think 2026 is prime for, but make us the optimistic case.
00:22:03.860No, I mean, I'll be frank with you, Ben. I do think that the Republican chances of
00:22:08.820controlling the Senate and possibly even maintaining control over the House are somewhat
00:22:14.360underrated. There's been a lot of redistricting that has happened at the House level,
00:22:19.140and that has not gone the way that Democrats anticipated the gerrymandering wars would go
00:22:25.100for them. And time remains on the clock. We still could have a significant amount of action in Iran,
00:22:33.320in the Middle East. The situation is very fluid. None of these ceasefires seem to be sticking
00:22:38.140to a particularly long amount of time. It may be the case that the president dropped some big
00:22:43.800bombs between now and November. There's still a fair bit of time to go. I agree with your assessment
00:22:48.800that the situation in Maine and Texas looks pretty good for the Republicans as of today,
00:22:54.440Where I would push back a little bit is that in Michigan, I think it is dangerously close.
00:23:00.140That is my home state. And I am less convinced perhaps than you are that my home state could possibly send a terrorist to the United States Senate.
00:23:08.420And that's why I'm actually holding out some hope that this Democratic primary goes in such a way where we don't send a terrorist sympathizer in my home state to be the Democratic nominee for Senate.
00:23:19.080I don't care if it marginally improves Mike Rogers' chances of making his way to the United States Senate.
00:23:24.920That's the Republican running in Michigan.
00:23:26.920I'm deeply worried about that seat, and I'm hoping that there's enough sanity left together among Michigan Democrats that we can prevent that outcome.
00:23:35.680And Jesse, I want to ask you about Iowa because there was there was a there was a big race in Iowa last night that a lot of people are using as a bellwether for the possibility that Republicans could unexpectedly lose a Senate seat in Iowa in this in this election cycle because Joni Ernst stepped out.
00:23:49.620So that election seat was a GOP primary for governor in which President Trump had endorsed Randy Feenstra, who was, I believe, originally he had replaced, who was it, Steve, I forget the name of the very controversial Republican, Steve King.
00:24:06.300Steve King had been replaced by Randy Feenstra. Feenstra was then running for governor.
00:24:09.960He had been endorsed by a lot of sort of the more establishment and President Trump figures.0.73
00:24:13.480He was defeated by a sort of Maha Republican who is friendly with kind of the kooky wing of the Republican Party, shall we say.
00:24:22.020And there are some indicators that right now, for example, Cook Political just moved that gubernatorial race into toss up area.0.99
00:24:29.340And the Calci markets are suggesting that the Republicans could lose the Ohio governorship or the Iowa governorship.
00:24:34.440rather. If they it looks right now like there's a real possibility that Republicans get clocked
00:24:39.380in Iowa. If that happens, the map is opening pretty wide for Democrats in the Senate, because
00:24:43.400again, North Carolina looks not great. If you as you say, Michigan looks not great.
00:24:47.180Iowa looks not great. They got to pick off one more and they're in control of the Senate.
00:24:50.180What do you make of what's going on in Iowa? Well, Michigan wouldn't be a pickoff, right?
00:24:55.460That's that's one where Republicans actually have the opportunity to have the pickup. But
00:24:59.640I'm concerned about Iowa. I'm really concerned that President Trump's endorseee did not win that
00:25:05.260race. I think if the president's pick had gotten across the finish line in Iowa, Republicans would
00:25:10.040be in a much stronger position right now. So that's not great. And we also have to look at
00:25:16.500the Senate election in that state where Democrats nominated the better option from their standpoint,
00:25:22.540Josh Turek, and not the other candidate who was the Elizabeth Warren endorsed kooky leftist.
00:25:29.120So, yeah, Iowa Democrats have the right candidates in the right position, and they may break through. Iowa is not as red a state as some of these other places that we've been talking about. But I do think some of these other red states where Democrats think they can have a shot at making some ground, I don't really buy it.
00:25:46.200Ohio, as one example, I think Vivek Ramaswamy is going to come through and secure the gubernatorial
00:25:50.900election there. John Husted, who's the Republican nominee for Senate, is a very solid guy,
00:25:56.980inoffensive to pretty much everybody. And the Democratic candidate, Jared Brown, I mean,
00:26:02.580at one point would have been a pretty strong candidate when he was an incumbent, but it's a
00:26:06.180lot harder to pick yourself up off the mat once you've already lost and you're running from
00:26:09.980the outside. And then there's Nebraska, where Democrats seem to think they have a chance
00:26:14.520because they've nominated. Well, they haven't actually nominated him. They're throwing their
00:26:18.480support behind an independent named Dan Osborne, who is part and parcel with the Democratic Party.
00:26:26.520Everything you look down his issue priority list, he is a progressive far left Democrat. He's got
00:26:33.800the, you know, Israel obsessive gene. And they think this is what Democrats are deluding themselves
00:26:38.920into thinking. They think that Graham Plattner and this guy in Nebraska, that they can fool
00:26:45.260white male voters into thinking that there's something different about them without any kind
00:26:51.860of ideological moderation. Republicans are actually doing the opposite. The president is
00:26:56.480allowing Susan Collins a little bit of wiggle room to maneuver politically and buck the party1.00
00:27:02.160when necessary. And I think that's a good thing. And it says good things about Donald Trump's
00:27:05.580political instincts. I wanted to follow up on one of the things that you mentioned. So you,
00:27:13.560sorry, you've been paying attention to and concerned about your home state of Michigan
00:27:19.820nominating somebody who's pro-terrorist. That's not the only pro-terrorist person that we saw
00:27:24.240having some success lately. You know, you saw this situation in New Jersey. You saw,
00:27:30.080you know, some of these, these candidates who've percolated up. You know, one of the things that
00:27:34.720we talk about on this show and what we talk about at the Daily Wire regularly is how much
00:27:39.100the Democrats versus the Republicans is a fight between podcasters on the right of center side
00:27:45.600and actual candidates and politicians on the left. Talk to me about why these people are passing
00:27:53.860muster with even the likes of Chuck Schumer coming out and saying, you know, Plattner's going to win
00:27:59.120and we're going to beat Susan Collins as if, you know, depicting Susan Collins as if she's some
00:28:04.280kind of far right wing, you know, a figure as opposed to somebody who crosses the party aisle,
00:28:09.200you know, constantly to work with Democrats. Why do you think that these candidates who are not
00:28:14.500just anti, you know, sending money to Israel, which is something that we've seen happen,
00:28:19.120you know, on both the right and the left as being something that percolates up,
00:28:22.140but they're, they go far beyond that. They're actually friends with terrorists. They embrace
00:28:26.760that side of things. And then if you come after them, they say you're being Islamophobic or
00:28:31.320something along those lines. Why is that success being found? What do you see in your polling data?
00:28:36.440Well, I think it's deeply disturbing. And I'm going to do something that maybe cuts against
00:28:40.480the grain of what those podcasters have to say about the Daily Wire. And I'm going to say some
00:28:44.600pretty choice, critical words for AIPAC. AIPAC spent a lot of money in New Jersey congressional
00:28:50.300elections this cycle, but they spent it in the wrong one. They were spending big in the New
00:28:55.440Jersey 11 special election earlier this year on behalf of it's very complicated. They had a pro
00:29:03.640Israel sort of Democrat who they didn't like so much, who they were spending against, but they
00:29:09.160ended up benefiting and building up the hardcore, viciously anti-Israel far left candidate instead.
00:29:16.040And it was sort of a cluster F. OK, and then there's this New Jersey 12 congressional primary
00:29:23.220That happens yesterday where we've got Adam Hamawe, pardon me if I'm not pronouncing his name correctly, but this is somebody who volunteered for an Al-Qaeda front group, lied under oath in court and defended the blind sheikh, who was a terrorist involved in the first World Trade Center bombing.
00:29:45.060And AIPAC didn't spend a nickel against that candidate.
00:29:49.600The transcript is pretty hilarious, too.
00:29:51.340He's basically like, yeah, he's like a friendly guy from the neighborhood.
00:29:54.440You know, it's it's the most hilarious.
00:30:11.600It's like, no, they're one pack among many operating within our political environment.
00:30:17.460OK, there are a lot of moneyed interests.
00:30:19.320There are a lot of Americans who hate Israel.
00:30:20.980There are a lot of Americans who like Israel. There are a lot of Americans who hate guns,
00:30:24.260who love guns, who hate abortion, who love abortion. And they're all spending big money
00:30:29.020to try and affect these races. OK, and this is a pretty clear indication. I saw Ilhan Omar tweeted
00:30:35.860just before I got on this podcast that last night, Adam Hamawe winning in this New Jersey 12th
00:30:42.780congressional district is an indication that the special interest groups lost. No, quite the
00:30:48.060opposite. There were a lot of special interest groups that spent really big on trying to get
00:30:53.100that candidate over the finish line. There's now anti-APAC money that is coming together.
00:30:57.940Millions of dollars are being spent to propel candidates who adopt this pseudo-pro-terrorist
00:31:03.740line. And that is a disturbing phenomenon in our politics. It's a lot more disturbing
00:31:08.440than a bunch of people spending money who think we should, you know, have a positive relationship0.94
00:31:12.700with Jewish Wakanda over in the Middle East and vending super weapons for us.
00:31:16.420outside of all these special interest groups i'm curious to get your take on these redistricting0.65
00:31:22.780efforts that are happening across the country right now it looks like that probably will tip
00:31:26.560favor in the side of the republicans but there's a lot that could change between now and then what
00:31:31.000can we expect from that well i think the big story with redistricting is that both sides have kind of
00:31:37.820fought this to a draw it's not clear that either one is going to come out the big winner but
00:31:43.260Democrats really screwed up by kind of upping the ante at every opportunity that they got.
00:31:48.900Why is that? Because if there's no clear winner from the gerrymandering wars in this election,
00:31:53.840then we have to look a little bit further out to like 2030 or 2040. What happens in those years?
00:32:01.080Reapportionment. We have a census and all of the states get their congressional seats.
00:32:07.200OK, and what's happening more macro nationwide right now, people are moving out of blue America and into red America where Ben lives.
00:32:16.280OK, and where The Daily Wire is based. The Daily Wire is an example of this.
00:32:19.920And Americans are voting with their feet, moving into these red states.
00:32:23.980So what's going to happen when that census rolls around?
00:32:26.720All of the Republican states are going to have more people living then, which means they're going to have more congressional seats.
00:32:32.120And if everybody is gerrymandering all day long until the crows come home, that's going to mean there's going to be more Republicans in Congress moving forward.
00:32:42.020And that is not so good for the Democrats.
00:32:45.140So they are really the ones incentivized to be coming to the table, calling for a truce, taking whatever they can get.0.59
00:32:51.700Because at the end of the day, Americans, again, are voting with their feet and going to Red America.0.58
00:32:55.980And that is bad news for them in the context of these gerrymandering wars.0.52
00:33:00.580Well, Jesse Arm, I know that you have to run to really appreciate the time and all of the
00:33:04.620quick question before he goes or go for it.
00:33:07.940Should we root for the Knicks because President Trump likes the Knicks or against the Knicks
00:33:13.480because Timothee Chalamet hasn't done enough in life to deserve a life this charmed?
00:33:19.040I'm a pretty hardcore Detroit Pistons fan, so I'm still holding a bit of a grudge for
00:33:24.800the Knicks beating us last year and betraying his employer.
00:33:29.840yeah i don't like seeing i don't like seeing all those celebrities in the front row happy
00:33:36.240well we can't have mom donnie be happy we get the we don't have to pay less attention to lebron
00:33:45.100anymore so that's why i'm rooting for the spurs yes that is the argument that's the actual we
00:33:49.820actually we actually have i think unanimous support unless isabelle is a knicks fan i think
00:34:21.500Ben, you doing anything fun this summer?
00:34:24.620Yes, we do our annual trip to celebrate the 4th of July by, you know, celebrating our nation by blowing up a small part of it in rural Arizona and looking forward to it because it'll be my new son's first sojourn into the desert and it'll be a lot of fun.
00:34:43.960Isabel, you doing anything fun this summer at all?
00:34:47.240My sister's getting married in Alaska in three weeks, so we're taking a big family vacation up there and then spending a 250 here in our nation's capital.
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00:36:21.720Okay, so speaking of our great country's birth and breaking away from the British, the UK is in the news because they decided they were going to ban a couple of American terror supporters from their shores.
00:36:32.840And so they put out some sort of statement
00:36:34.560and they said that Cenk Uyghur and Hassan Piker,
00:36:36.960who are their family, Hassan's an Epo baby.
00:36:39.520They said, you're not allowed to come to the UK
00:36:41.240and go to Oxford Union because you guys are a,
00:36:44.540essentially, you create the conditions
00:36:59.820I do, however, like them banning Hassan and Shank.
00:37:03.020And the reason is I do not think that any country has the obligation to bring into its country people who love terrorism or China or Cuba.0.53
00:37:10.400I think that we should apply that same rule in America.0.99
00:37:12.780I think that people who come here, it's about a bunch of anti-American bullshit.0.99
00:37:16.320Those people should not be allowed in our country.0.99
00:37:18.620And frankly, if people came here and they immigrated and they lied on their immigration forms, I think they should be booted out.0.89
00:37:24.540So I know this is some there's kind of a weird thing that's broken out on the right where some people like, no, libertarian free speech concerns for the UK, which is a foreign country.
00:37:33.800But I'm not sure where you guys are on this. Isabel, where are you on it?
00:37:37.300Yeah, you know, Ben, I was really surprised to see this story break through the headlines the other day because just a few weeks before all of this,
00:37:43.100the UK banned my friend Ava Vlardinger Brook from coming into the UK to give a speech for a more conservative wing of British politics.
00:37:51.320And their reasoning for that is because she directly inspires violence all over Europe by promoting this re-migration movement of Europeans having more babies to counteract the crazy, horrifying, devastating effects of mass migration.
00:38:05.940And honestly, I'm interested a little bit to see the UK applying this across the board to people on the left and the right.0.69
00:38:13.280But I just find it rich that all of a sudden the UK government and Keir Starmer seem so excited about stopping the proliferation of violence in the United Kingdom.0.96
00:38:21.900When in reality, they themselves are directly responsible for mass importing millions upon millions of people who are literally raping teenage girls in broad daylight on the street, who are normalizing mass violence in the name of eradicating British culture for this Islamic takeover of their society.0.94
00:38:39.000And you're not allowed to talk about that. In fact, if you're a British citizen and you tweet about that, they'll throw you in prison for 20 years, but they won't actually stop violence.0.96
00:38:47.320So I don't really know where this is coming from. It certainly isn't in line with their
00:38:51.300political agenda that they've been enacting domestically. But I am curious to see how
00:38:55.320they keep applying it. And I'm supposed to go to the UK in August. So we'll see if they let me in.
00:42:57.020I understand that we can't do that legally, because obviously, if you're born in America,
00:43:00.060you have legal rights to say and do pretty much whatever you want.
00:43:02.980It's one of the great things about America.
00:43:04.100But that does mean we have to be pretty selective about who we let into this place.
00:43:07.460And one of the gigantic mistakes made by Europe and by the United States that we are not selective
00:43:11.320at all for the past several decades about who we let into our houses. And now we turn around
00:43:16.760and everybody's spray painting the walls and pissing in the corners. And we're all supposed
00:43:20.640to be shocked by this. The other thing is, the other thing is, and this is what, I mean, this
00:43:25.280is kind of a key to just quickly, this is the key to kind of Luke Rosiac's reporting over the last
00:43:30.460several weeks, you know, and obviously over months that led up to it, is this clash between
00:43:36.200low-trust societies and high-trust societies, people who come here who want to be Americans
00:43:41.620and become Americans, and people who come here essentially as outposts within our society,
00:43:47.620trying to extract as much money out of our government systems, use them to their benefit,
00:43:52.760calling people racist for questioning it, and then sending it back home.
00:43:56.320It's obscene. It's horrible. It damages the interests of Americans themselves,
00:44:01.660particularly working-class Americans. And the fact that the Republican Party was so unwilling
00:44:05.920The coalition of the right was so unwilling to embrace this or even depicting people who did talk about this as being racist or on the outskirts or something like that, accepting this leftist argument for so many years that laid the foundation for why Donald Trump won in the first place.
00:44:20.920And it's still, I think, a lesson that these Republicans haven't learned. They still talk about this stuff just naturally as if we're in like 2002 and it's George W. Bush and we have to figure out things for guest workers and the like.
00:44:33.420this is a completely different population that you've imported over the last 20 years and it's
00:44:37.460very different from the kind of people that you just talked about in the past who are workers who
00:44:41.140are going to come here and then go back home that does not happen they extract as much as they can
00:44:45.360from our taxpayers and they send it wherever they want well and i'm just curious to throw out to the
00:44:51.060group here feel free to agree or disagree or take this any way you want i generally agree with the
00:44:56.560sentiment of that tweet ben that anyone can make up their mind about anything and certainly your
00:45:01.040skin color is not indicative of your intelligence level or your ability to have your own opinion
00:45:06.060formed independently from what you look like. That said, there is a really interesting and I
00:45:10.740think important cultural conversation happening in America right now, led by mostly young people
00:45:14.940about certain cultures being incompatible with that of Western civilization. And largely I'm
00:45:20.460thinking of Islam and those imported from the Islamic world, which does involve to some degree
00:45:25.700ethnicity involved in there as well. What's your take on that?
00:45:29.280Well, I mean, I think that Thomas Sowell does a really great job of breaking down.
00:45:32.460He has a great book called Discrimination and Disparities.
00:45:34.620And one of the things that he talks about in there is sort of a typology of discrimination.
00:45:38.680He says that there is normal discrimination where we discriminate by making choices every
00:46:27.160But when you have individual data, then you can allow that individual data and you should allow that individual data to trump the group data.
00:46:33.780And so there are two separate questions, say, about Muslim immigration to the United States.
00:46:38.880Some people will say, so you're saying that no Muslim can come to the United States and be a good citizen?
00:46:43.920It is quite possible that there can be a Muslim or some Muslims or many Muslims who could come and be good citizens if they actually demonstrate specifically and individually that they are going to be good citizens.0.87
00:46:53.320But if you look at Islamic culture in, say, Pakistan, the idea that you could mass migrate a million Pakistanis to the United States, and on average, that is going to work out well for the United States, that is a really ridiculous proposition.
00:47:04.820And the same thing, of course, you can have cultural distinctions.
00:47:07.520I think that what you've seen from some parts of the fringe right is the inability to distinguish between cultural differentiation and racial differentiation.
00:47:16.380The idea will be, and that's where you get into actual discrimination, where it's like, okay, I know that guy.
00:53:20.540as the source of all evil in society now.
00:53:23.800And somehow, George Orwell is rolling over in his grave over all of this.
00:53:26.760So I think it's really fashionable right now to just be contrarian for the sake of being
00:53:32.320contrarian, even if it flies in the face of objective reality.
00:53:35.620And that certainly generates a whole lot of clicks and engagement on social media.
00:53:38.980But I am also starting to see young people realize that not everything is a conspiracy
00:53:44.660just because a whole lot of big, important things happened to be a conspiracy in the
00:53:49.780last several years. And I've found a really interesting corner of the internet from so many
00:53:53.620young people who are just tired of all the noise. They're tired of the ops. They're tired of the
00:53:57.220clickbait. They're tired of the attack wars of the podcast realm. And they want real solutions.
00:54:02.400They want suggestions for what they can actually do to safeguard their culture from an individual
00:54:07.420decision-making perspective. I think the answer is really easy in America for how you fight
00:54:11.820the demographic shift. It's not to mass import people who hate your country and want to destroy
00:54:16.680it. It certainly isn't to mass import people from other cultures that do not share our foundational
00:54:21.700values of Christianity, like the faux Christianity that we see in Russia. I think it's really simple.0.94
00:54:27.520Make more babies and go to church and exercise your civic duty in voting and understand how
00:54:32.640our society works. When you can reframe all of this away from the click engagement and the
00:54:37.840disgusting stuff that you see on X, and you actually can tell young people you can be the
00:54:42.360solution to this, I think it's really meaningful. And there's not a lot of people doing that.
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