The Michael Knowles Show - Friendly Fire： ICE. Ice. (And The Oscars) Baby.

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00:00:20.400 Don't take your guns to town, Bill.

00:00:22.580 Leave your guns at home.

00:00:23.880 When I listen to Michael Moles sing Johnny Cash, it makes me think of my own mortality.

00:00:27.920 This could be the whole show.

00:00:28.940 It's just puns.

00:00:29.540 I'm in a bad mood.

00:00:30.480 It should not have been nominated, by the way.

00:00:32.320 Here we go.

00:00:32.940 Talk night.

00:00:33.480 You know what?

00:00:34.280 That is the most offensive thing you have said in this entire episode.

00:00:37.140 Yeah, save it.

00:00:38.020 Save it for the show.

00:00:39.040 Friends are these.

00:00:40.740 Who needs enemies?

00:00:42.440 Friends are these.

00:00:43.940 Who needs enemies?

00:00:46.400 Three days ago, Tim Walls compared the ICE officers to Nazis.

00:00:51.680 And then yesterday, he collaborated with them.

00:00:56.140 So I guess Tim Walls is now a Nazi collaborator.

00:00:58.800 It's very unclear what's going on between Washington and Minnesota right now.

00:01:02.140 We will get into it.

00:01:03.120 We will get into all of the Oscar movies that you haven't seen.

00:01:07.620 We haven't seen them either, but we have very, very strong opinions.

00:01:10.860 This is Friendly Fire.

00:01:13.020 Guys, do you know what that is called?

00:01:15.400 That's called a cold open.

00:01:17.140 And I can tell you, speaking from Nashville, it's a very cold open here.

00:01:20.940 It's real chilly, hence my sweater.

00:01:23.860 Matt, you're always kind of lumberjacking, wearing all of your flannel, etc.

00:01:28.960 But Drew, Ben, you're in relative warmth.

00:01:33.240 No, no, no.

00:01:34.200 Wait, it snowed here.

00:01:35.600 I'm close to D.C.

00:01:37.220 And we had enough snow that I had to go out twice and shovel my walks.

00:01:41.900 And now my entire body hurts and I have a cold.

00:01:45.060 So I think that's my contribution to the weather.

00:01:47.480 Are you still corporeal or is it just a ghost?

00:01:50.220 What's that?

00:01:51.160 Is that the ghost of Drew or is that real physical Drew?

00:01:53.980 By the time the show is over, I will be transparent.

00:01:56.980 That is, yeah.

00:01:58.360 Well, you're always transparent, Drew, but, you know, down here in Florida, it's cold

00:02:03.340 also down here.

00:02:04.280 It was like in the mid-60s today.

00:02:07.020 It's vicious.

00:02:08.040 It was like a biting wind.

00:02:09.380 Got it down to like wind chill factor, down to like 58.

00:02:12.460 Brutal.

00:02:12.980 Just vicious.

00:02:13.580 Michael, are you doing this show by candlelight?

00:02:15.940 What's with the lighting in your office?

00:02:17.900 I'm so fortunate that so I would have been I would have just been Jack Nicholson at the

00:02:23.080 end of The Shining, speaking of Oscar movies right now, had I not been rescued by

00:02:27.020 my buddy and put up in a beautiful Airbnb with a podcast studio across the street.

00:02:32.860 So I'm actually I'm feeling great.

00:02:35.020 And because it's not Candlemas yet, I'm still wearing my Christmas decorations.

00:02:37.980 I'm feeling I'm feeling good.

00:02:39.500 I think I might do the show from here forever.

00:02:42.420 Did you Matt, have you survived the snowpocalypse?

00:02:45.660 I'm in my element.

00:02:46.820 I'm cold, dark.

00:02:49.100 No one around.

00:02:50.880 No one can access me like this is I love this.

00:02:53.880 I would do this every I do this all year round.

00:02:56.400 One question I have, I know, you know, with the power going out in a lot of places, some

00:03:00.120 people are trying to figure out things to do.

00:03:01.840 Have you guys been sitting around with your family playing the new Pendragon board game?

00:03:08.620 Yes.

00:03:09.340 If you would send me a Pendragon board game, I would actually play the Pendragon board game.

00:03:14.900 Well, you can if you want to get your own copy, I'm not sending it to you.

00:03:18.080 You can go to dailywire.com slash shop and you can watch the seven part series, which is getting rave reviews, by the way, all over the Internet.

00:03:25.860 And my favorite part of it is it's getting rave reviews from people who like the Daily Wire.

00:03:29.760 It's even getting rave reviews on the Internet from people who don't like the Daily Wire, people who probably hate conservatives all over the place. 0.99

00:03:37.720 It's very I was actually I'm never gratified to look at Twitter because it's just a cesspool of villainy and scum. 0.65

00:03:44.280 But actually, people really seem to love Pendragon because it's a great story. 0.91

00:03:48.040 It's getting rave reviews from everybody all over the Internet, people who love the Daily Wire, people who hate the Daily Wire, people who probably hate conservatives.

00:03:54.540 They love it.

00:03:55.280 The only way that you can watch it is to become a Daily Wire Plus member.

00:03:59.500 And this is what you're going to get.

00:04:00.880 What was it like, Merlin, to be alone with God?

00:04:11.840 Is that who you think I was alone with?

00:04:18.000 Meriton, I knew your father.

00:04:20.420 I am yet convinced that he was not of this world.

00:04:25.580 All men know of the great Taliesin.

00:04:28.880 You are my father.

00:04:29.780 That the gods should war for my soul.

00:04:33.240 Princess Garrus, the saviour of our people.

00:04:38.780 I know what the Bull God offered you.

00:04:41.320 I was offered the same.

00:04:43.280 And?

00:04:44.820 There is a new power at work in the world.

00:04:46.920 I've seen it.

00:04:48.940 A god who sacrifices what he loves for us.

00:04:51.640 We are each given only one life, Singer.

00:04:54.420 No.

00:04:55.520 And we're given another.

00:04:56.300 I learned of Yezu the Christ.

00:05:01.680 And I have become his follower.

00:05:03.560 He's waiting on a miracle.

00:05:05.100 And I think you can give him one.

00:05:07.120 Trust in Yezu. 0.87

00:05:08.460 He is the only hope for men like us.

00:05:11.400 Fate of Britain never rests in the hands of the great light.

00:05:14.380 Great light.

00:05:15.560 Great darkness.

00:05:16.980 Such things mattered to me then. 0.70

00:05:18.440 What matters to you now, mistress of lies? 0.94

00:05:23.100 You. 0.99

00:05:24.620 Nephew.

00:05:27.740 The sword of the High King.

00:05:29.940 How many lives must be lost before you accept the power

00:05:35.360 you were born to wield?

00:05:39.700 Circling to the promises of a god who has abandoned you.

00:05:42.960 I cannot take up that sword again.

00:05:45.900 You know what you must do.

00:05:49.360 Great light, forgive me.

00:05:50.520 The time has come to be reborn.

00:06:05.200 There was a Hollywood Reporter story, did you see this?

00:06:07.260 About how people are angry because they want to watch Pendragon

00:06:09.580 but they can only do it if they're Daily Wire plus subscribers.

00:06:12.700 There's like a whole fantasy contingent to people

00:06:14.720 who are like, this looks fantastic and I can't wait.

00:06:16.680 Oh, no.

00:06:17.480 No, no, I can't.

00:06:19.360 No, no, here's my credit card.

00:06:21.920 No.

00:06:22.700 So speaking of the freezing cold, another shooting in Minneapolis.

00:06:26.600 Some people are pretending to be shocked.

00:06:29.240 Maybe some people really are shocked.

00:06:30.460 I don't know.

00:06:30.920 I don't.

00:06:31.580 It kind of reminds me, you know, it's that very sad shooting of Renee Good

00:06:34.760 and then the lesbian partner comes out and she says, 1.00

00:06:36.960 why did the guns have bullets in them?

00:06:39.480 And I just thought, man, you guys have, you just don't understand reality at all.

00:06:44.080 You don't understand that their consequences follow from actions.

00:06:47.960 I have the Andrew Breitbart question here.

00:06:51.780 I don't mean to be cruel.

00:06:53.320 It's tragic the guy was killed.

00:06:54.980 But so what?

00:06:55.980 If let's say you examine this film from every possible angle

00:06:59.680 and it turns out the ICE agent was in the wrong,

00:07:01.680 does that mean we shouldn't deport people who are here illegally? 1.00

00:07:04.640 I mean, they're here illegally. 0.99

00:07:06.360 ICE is there to get rid of people who are here illegally.

00:07:08.380 No one is above the law, as we know, because they were charging Trump with like,

00:07:12.500 you know, littering and sending him away for planning to send him away for life.

00:07:16.400 So what difference does it make?

00:07:17.680 I mean, let's let's say it was a bad shooting.

00:07:19.760 They're just enforcing the law.

00:07:21.240 Why are these people who are organized by Marxist, you know,

00:07:24.120 thugs all around the country and taking like nine counties out of all the counties in America

00:07:28.980 and turning them into battle zones?

00:07:30.780 Why are they justified by a bad shooting?

00:07:33.340 I don't think there's also a question.

00:07:34.840 I'm not saying it was a bad shooting, but even if it was, who cares?

00:07:36.900 Right. On your point, Drew, so was it a bad shooting or not?

00:07:39.700 Because there's all this stuff and a lot of misinformation going around the Internet.

00:07:43.260 One of the questions was, well, maybe he had been disarmed before the ICE agent shot.

00:07:49.320 And but even in that case, would it necessarily have been an unjustified shooting?

00:07:55.220 Only one of us went to Harvard Law School.

00:07:56.860 I'm loathe to turn to him for an answer on this.

00:07:59.020 But then is there any does that mean it's a bad shooting?

00:08:01.960 The cops got to go to jail or something?

00:08:03.220 I mean, so not necessarily.

00:08:04.120 So the basic legal standard is the same in all of these cases, which is does a reasonable

00:08:08.420 officer believe that he's an eminent threat of grave physical harm?

00:08:12.420 And so the question becomes, did the officer who shot him know that he had been disarmed

00:08:16.780 because there's this kind of scrum?

00:08:18.220 And then you can see that the gun appears to be removed by one of the agents, but not

00:08:21.780 the agent who shot him.

00:08:22.800 And then somebody yells gun.

00:08:24.900 And there may, in fact, be an accidental gunshot, an accidental discharge from Preddy's gun

00:08:29.660 by the officer or the gun just went off.

00:08:31.720 So if you're an officer and you're standing there and you hear someone yell gun and then

00:08:34.400 a shot goes off and you don't know that the gun has been removed from the guy, then you

00:08:39.520 absolutely could fear for your life.

00:08:41.300 You could fear imminent threat of grave physical harm.

00:08:43.720 And so the shoot could absolutely be good.

00:08:45.640 That's typically why you have full investigations under under these circumstances.

00:08:48.760 You know, as to Drew's question as to why this shapes the underlying sort of policy,

00:08:53.720 the answer is that it doesn't.

00:08:54.960 But this has been a chaos operation from the beginning for Democrats in an attempt to obstruct

00:08:58.940 federal law.

00:08:59.540 I mean, that's really what this is.

00:09:00.760 This has been driven by Democrats from the very start.

00:09:03.080 The idea is that enforcement of federal law is some sort of grave sin.

00:09:06.640 And you can see it in the statistics.

00:09:08.020 So very early on, the administration was deporting nearly all criminally legal immigrants because

00:09:13.040 they were starting in red states and they're working with cooperative precincts and they're

00:09:16.900 going into jails and taking people who are criminals and then deporting them.

00:09:19.660 And then all of the Democrats decided they were going to obstruct that.

00:09:22.400 And now ICE still has a job, which is to deport people.

00:09:25.360 And so the people they're deporting are not getting they're not getting them from jails,

00:09:29.580 right?

00:09:29.780 They're actually going to the streets.

00:09:31.040 They're having to like round people up. 0.98

00:09:32.780 And when they do that, the percentage of criminal illegal immigrants, I mean, they're all criminals, 1.00

00:09:36.740 but people who have committed an independent crime aside from being an illegal immigrant,

00:09:40.100 that percentage has dropped from something like 87 percent early on to about 50 percent today.

00:09:45.020 And it's going down pretty rapidly.

00:09:46.520 That's because of sanctuary city status.

00:09:48.400 It's because of sanctuary state status.

00:09:49.780 And so what that means is here's the thing.

00:09:52.180 Americans don't like ugly pictures on their TV.

00:09:54.360 This is one of the great problems with media generally is that there's greater information

00:09:58.340 that's wonderful.

00:09:58.940 But the ubiquity of ugly pictures on your TV makes it nearly impossible to do the things

00:10:03.320 that have to be done in ugly areas.

00:10:04.860 And that's true when it comes to military operations.

00:10:06.920 And it's true when it comes to policing.

00:10:08.580 And it's true when it comes to ICE.

00:10:09.360 And the craziest part.

00:10:10.060 So the craziest part on the ugly pictures, I didn't think this was real.

00:10:13.440 I had to go back to the tape and check it 10 different times.

00:10:16.020 Because they so the the guy in this case, his name is Alex Pretty.

00:10:20.520 And we have an expression.

00:10:22.360 We who like the Latin language, nomen est omen.

00:10:26.480 And so and the guy is not to beat up on the dead.

00:10:29.920 He isn't all that pretty.

00:10:32.160 MSNBC changed his picture.

00:10:35.020 They ran with an AI generated picture to make him look like a supermodel or something.

00:10:39.540 And they did it completely straight faced.

00:10:41.600 And what it made me think is, look, maybe it was some editor didn't know what he was doing.

00:10:44.700 Maybe it was intentional for some bizarro reason.

00:10:47.320 But it made me think, look, when when the MSM, the establishment media, put these images on TV,

00:10:53.500 they're obviously working in concert with the Democrats who are trying to cause chaos,

00:10:57.040 who are trying to undermine law enforcement.

00:10:58.940 And so I'm always skeptical of that.

00:11:00.660 I would say you can't really believe anything on the establishment media.

00:11:03.740 Now, I can't I literally can't believe the pictures.

00:11:06.860 They are running a different picture, even of the guy who is at the center of this case.

00:11:11.460 This to me seems like something actually has changed.

00:11:13.960 And to Ben's point about ugly pictures, you know, I've worked with police a lot as a reporter,

00:11:18.420 and it takes a lot of cops to bring a person down without just killing him.

00:11:23.040 Most cops, if they want to take you down, they can do it single handedly, but they're going to break your legs.

00:11:27.000 You know, if they swarm people in order to keep them from being hurt.

00:11:31.340 And this guy, you know, once you shout, once you shout gun, I've seen this with my own eyes a number of times.

00:11:36.600 Once somebody shouts gun, everything is different.

00:11:39.080 You know, everything is like I do know this.

00:11:41.060 We cops do not want to go home with a bullet in their head.

00:11:43.240 You know, they don't want to go back to their wife, say, sorry, honey, I'm dead, you know, because I didn't react fast enough.

00:11:48.320 And when they take these videos and they look at them frame by frame, it drives me crazy because they didn't happen frame by frame.

00:11:54.880 They happened all at once.

00:11:56.280 And we can hold our police to high standards, but we can't hold them to robotic standards where they can see everything in slow motion.

00:12:03.960 The whole thing is, to me, you know, as you say, it's a chaos operation.

00:12:07.860 We already know that George Floyd, a drug addicted thug, you know, who's elevated to the point of being a saint by the media.

00:12:16.280 And then we were told that the riots that came out of his were mostly peaceful.

00:12:19.660 We already know it's all lies.

00:12:20.980 You know, we know it's all lies.

00:12:22.000 And if in this case the cop was in the wrong, if he did something wrong, that's one thing.

00:12:26.220 But it has nothing to do with the overall story, which is these guys came in 20 million strong.

00:12:30.880 They all have to go.

00:12:31.920 They all have to go.

00:12:32.460 And also, to me, it's not even a close call.

00:12:36.880 Like, you took a gun.

00:12:39.100 Okay, this is another point that really annoys me.

00:12:40.940 I see even some people on the right saying, well, hey, you know, we believe in the Second Amendment and we've got to be consistent here.

00:12:45.880 I've seen some people draw comparisons between this and Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:12:49.540 Hey, man, let's be fair.

00:12:52.600 Two completely, actually diametrically opposite situations.

00:12:57.440 Kyle Rittenhouse was there, was not interfering with any police officers, was not sabotaging police officer operations, was not resisting police officers.

00:13:04.140 He was there because the police officers weren't there and weren't doing anything.

00:13:07.360 In this case, Alex Priddy took a gun.

00:13:10.840 Okay, that part is fine.

00:13:11.880 Like, yes, you can carry a gun in the United States of America.

00:13:14.740 I believe in the Second Amendment.

00:13:15.920 But you took a gun explicitly to go commit crimes, okay, interfering with the police, sabotaging police operations, obstructing what the police are doing, obstructing law enforcement is a crime.

00:13:30.180 He brought a gun to do that.

00:13:32.740 And maybe his intention was not to go kill the officers, but his intention certainly was all these people, none of them are protesters.

00:13:39.340 This is not a legitimate protest.

00:13:41.060 Well, it was not a protest.

00:13:42.060 I mean, it's worth establishing this was not a protest happened afterward, but this was not a protest.

00:13:46.800 He was simply there.

00:13:48.320 They are coordinating.

00:13:50.020 I mean, we talked about this on my show.

00:13:51.500 Now other people have gone into these signal chats where they coordinate with each other.

00:13:55.140 They give license plates.

00:13:56.520 They show up.

00:13:57.400 And it is explicitly to obstruct law enforcement.

00:13:59.860 So if you take the gun and then your intention is to go commit crimes and then you end up getting shot in the process, to me, it's not even a close call.

00:14:08.460 It's not even controversial.

00:14:09.480 I mean, it might be controversial to a lot of people, but the substance of it, it's not controversial.

00:14:13.360 This is clearly all on you.

00:14:15.040 And I agree with what Ben said, that this is, to the people, especially on the right, again, there are some on the right who are saying, well, I believe in enforcing immigration law, but I don't like the way this is happening.

00:14:29.380 Well, there is no way to do it that won't be ugly because it's easy enough to say, let's enforce our immigration laws. 0.99

00:14:36.380 But the problem is we have millions of people here illegally. 0.99

00:14:40.220 And so we need them to leave.

00:14:42.540 And the problem is, well, they don't want to leave.

00:14:44.300 That's why they're here.

00:14:45.380 And so the only way to get them to leave is to grab them physically and drag them while they're kicking and screaming.

00:14:51.900 There is no nice way to do it.

00:14:53.980 And so if you're not in favor of us enforcing immigration laws in an ugly way, then you're not in favor of us enforcing immigration law at all because there's no way to do it that isn't ugly.

00:15:04.880 By the way, a crucial point on this gun Second Amendment argument from the libertarians who, you know, look, I love my libertarian friends.

00:15:13.440 You can always count on them to undermine the right exactly at the moment that it, like, really matters.

00:15:18.500 But I get the point in principle because I'm a Second Amendment supporter.

00:15:21.460 I'm a gun owner, a lifetime member of the NRA.

00:15:23.600 There is a deep conservatism to the wisdom of Johnny Cash.

00:15:28.340 Don't take your guns to town, Bill.

00:15:30.720 Leave your guns at home.

00:15:32.020 So, look, you can take your guns to town, but if you are going to obstruct law enforcement, you're going to put yourself intentionally in a very provocative situation where you will be committing crimes.

00:15:42.480 Probably not the best idea to roll up with your cig in two magazines.

00:15:45.760 By the way, his parents were interviewed by CBS News, a generally liberal news outlet, and they made the point, probably they shouldn't have admitted this, that he was not a regular carrier of guns.

00:15:56.620 You know, he had his CCW, but this was a guy who never took his gun out, really, and all of a sudden he rolls up there with a weapon that has a hair trigger.

00:16:05.060 The New York Post just reported that he had a broken rib from his last conflict with ICE agents, so he was already out there getting into violent scuffles.

00:16:13.300 When I listen to Michael Moles sing Johnny Cash, it makes me think of my own mortality, and that makes me think of policy genius and the necessity for life insurance.

00:16:26.440 It actually is very important that you get life insurance, obviously, because there is one thing that is going to happen to all of us aside from paying taxes and maybe being deported.

00:16:35.480 And that is, we're all going to plots.

00:16:38.200 Drew can speak to this more than I can, because as he sees that, that road shortening before him.

00:16:43.260 Foot off out the door, yeah.

00:16:44.540 Yeah, exactly.

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00:17:34.280 You know, I have to say, I'm thankful to Knowles for singing like Johnny Cash because it made death seem not so bad.

00:17:41.500 That's really nice.

00:17:42.520 Oh, listen, as we're all here, we're stewing because it feels like we're all in Minneapolis right now.

00:17:48.560 Not Ben, but the rest of us.

00:17:49.780 It's pretty chilly.

00:17:50.920 I think this is really actually just a trial run for Mother Nature for our colonization of Greenland.

00:17:56.240 But we're not actually in Minneapolis right now.

00:17:58.720 A Daily Wire reporter is, however, and we are joined by Jenny Tehr, who can infect our opinion with some actual facts that she is seeing on the ground.

00:18:09.000 Jenny, I know I have.

00:18:10.840 This is not something we're used to around here.

00:18:12.340 Jenny, what are you seeing in Minneapolis?

00:18:14.600 Yeah.

00:18:14.840 Well, you know, we've been out with ICE in Minneapolis on a ride along with them, and we saw just the chaos unfold the second we went down there.

00:18:27.160 So just to give you an idea is we started out the day going to the ICE office where agitators were already outside.

00:18:35.220 The second any of those vehicles came out, anytime ICE officers were going out to make arrests, there was what they call the spotter standing on the corner waiting for them, monitoring their movements, reporting things like their license plates, what the cars look like, what those agents and officers look like.

00:18:52.260 And then the second we were hearing an arrest site, so we were maybe within five blocks of an arrest site, you started to see people just gathering on every street corner.

00:19:06.400 And by the time we got to, let's say, the apartment complex where one of the arrests they were trying to make was happening, it was already so loud.

00:19:15.260 Everyone was already alerted to ICE's presence in the area that that target didn't come out that day.

00:19:21.940 So this is what they're up against.

00:19:23.260 They're up against people who are exposing their whereabouts, their locations, getting in their way on top of that, because as we were leaving, we saw a situation unfold that thankfully didn't get as intense as some of these stories we've seen about these shootings, but could have gone that way with those agents trying to deescalate vehicles who were blocking them in the roadway.

00:19:45.860 So they didn't want them there, so they didn't want them there, but when they tried to leave, they didn't want them to leave.

00:19:50.220 It was very ironic, and then as they were leaving, one of those vehicles, a driver behind the wheel of a Tesla hit one of our cars in the convoy and then exited the area before they can make an arrest.

00:20:05.240 This is what they're seeing on the ground, this is what they're up against, so not only were they not able to make an arrest, and we saw a similar situation unfold before that, this is also just an assault on their ability to go out there and conduct these operations safely.

00:20:22.380 They're coming home with the trauma of all this, but also physical injuries now.

00:20:29.200 Jenny, did the guy in the Tesla hit them intentionally with the car?

00:20:33.440 Yeah, it appeared so, because as he was driving by those officers, he was taunting them, so he rolled down the window at one point, and he said, I'm illegal, come and get me.

00:20:44.180 That's how brazen these people are. 0.87

00:20:46.500 They know that this is a crime.

00:20:48.780 They know they can't impede law enforcement.

00:20:51.220 I mean, there was this whole media narrative going around that ICE is just arresting U.S. citizens indiscriminately.

00:20:57.080 No, they're arresting people who are here, who are getting in their way, who are assaulting them, who are committing federal crimes in doing so, and they have the right to.

00:21:08.920 Those officers are given the power to make arrests of U.S. citizens who are trying to get in the way of their own arrests of illegal immigrants.

00:21:16.540 And then, of course, you know, they're not put into immigration detention.

00:21:20.560 They're handed off to people like the U.S. 0.94

00:21:22.520 Marshals and the U.S.

00:21:23.600 Attorney prosecutes them.

00:21:25.440 So, yes, they have the authority to do this, and they are making arrests of people who are openly getting in their way.

00:21:33.100 You know, Jenny, what do you think is the – you've been riding along with the ICE officers, and what is the morale like given the situation?

00:21:40.000 And what are their thoughts on ICE leadership?

00:21:41.860 Because obviously we've seen some turmoil inside ICE leadership or patrol leadership.

00:21:46.300 The president has deployed Tom Homan to Minneapolis.

00:21:48.720 It seems that he is moving Greg Bovino at least out of this realm, you know, to another area of the country.

00:21:55.140 What are people feeling down on the ground there?

00:21:56.960 Right, so I think this was perfectly, you know, came to light when I had Border Patrol agents messaging me yesterday, some of my sources, saying that they're happy that some of them are getting to leave.

00:22:12.760 Because this has been really hard for them to go through, to be in these environments where they're not only just having to assess the threats that are present when you're making an arrest already,

00:22:27.300 but now there's this added threat of outside organized agitators who are communicating on radios, who are 3D printing whistles.

00:22:36.080 I mean, I saw some of that, too, that they're handing out to try to obstruct these arrests.

00:22:39.920 So they're happy to see a change.

00:22:43.060 And that change has been that the Trump administration has taken figures like Border Patrol commander Gregory Bovino out of Minneapolis and had sent him back to the border.

00:22:54.040 He's been relieved of his duties as the commander of at-large operations.

00:22:57.940 He was the face of these aggressive immigration operations in cities like New Orleans, now Minneapolis.

00:23:04.840 He was in Chicago, and he was representing Border Patrol, which Border Patrol has a role in immigration enforcement.

00:23:12.440 Traditionally, it's been along the border in border towns.

00:23:14.960 They're not used to operating in these urban environments, and they're more indiscriminate.

00:23:19.840 They were brought in when Secretary Noem, according to sources, and her close aide, Corey Lewandowski, decided that the operations should focus more on numbers,

00:23:32.080 that they should have more of a quota than the focus being on quality arrests, than getting the worst of the worst.

00:23:40.660 So we saw that shift, and that's when Border Patrol really came in to boost the numbers, to get more people off the streets who are here illegally, 0.99

00:23:49.320 not necessarily going after people with the worst criminal histories first, which was how the mass deportation campaign started.

00:23:57.620 Holman, however, Tom Holman, the border czar, who's now been brought in to replace Bovino, is in the camp of wanting more of those quality arrests.

00:24:07.160 He wants us to get those really hardened criminals off the streets, and he's an ICE guy.

00:24:11.360 He was head of ICE before this.

00:24:14.240 And so Trump brought him in and said, report directly to me, which is interesting because he's not asking him to report to the DHS secretary.

00:24:22.580 And he's saying, you know, possibly we're hearing that they could be looking at changing the target list, saying maybe we should shift and go after more of the worst of the worst.

00:24:34.960 And then also a lot of this depends now on, is Governor Walz going to deliver on letting people be handed over from the jails into ICE's hands for arrest,

00:24:50.360 rather than continuing to perpetuate these really dangerous sanctuary policies?

00:24:55.960 I'm hearing that the local police are also helping, now finally helping ICE keep the protesters back.

00:25:02.520 Have you seen any of that?

00:25:03.280 So we've seen some state police that are keeping back rioters who were trying to go into a hotel.

00:25:11.500 They said Gregory Bovino was staying.

00:25:14.540 We saw just one instance of that, and that could be a glimpse into what this deal was that Trump had discussed with the governor there.

00:25:24.680 But we're still waiting to see what comes to fruition.

00:25:28.000 We know Homan himself met with the governor this morning.

00:25:32.200 And so there's still ongoing talks.

00:25:34.940 There's still ongoing negotiations into what access ICE will have when, for years and years and years,

00:25:42.340 Minnesota has been releasing illegal immigrant criminals out of jails and hasn't been cooperating with ICE,

00:25:50.420 hasn't been sharing immigration status at all with them.

00:25:53.260 And when they're lodging detainers, when they're putting a formal request in with a, let's say, county or city jail saying,

00:26:00.140 you have this person in your custody that we're aware of who's an illegal immigrant who's committed a crime. 0.88

00:26:06.180 When you are going to release them, please give us a call.

00:26:09.800 Hold them.

00:26:11.020 You know, for a short period of time, we'll come and get them.

00:26:13.420 And they haven't been doing that.

00:26:15.360 Now, Jenny, if we do shift focus here and we only go after the most hardened face tattooed, you know,

00:26:21.840 murderers of the rapists of the murderers kind of people, can we send you, since you're already there, to go round up all the other ones?

00:26:28.220 I don't know if that's in your job description.

00:26:29.820 I know you're more doing like journalism and stuff.

00:26:31.960 But in any case, you're doing great work out there.

00:26:34.060 Thank you very much for the report.

00:26:36.700 And we'll look forward to an update next time.

00:26:39.300 Well, that is our reporter, Jenny, who's on the ground in Minneapolis.

00:26:41.820 Obviously, we've been expanding our reportage and our reportorial base pretty extensively.

00:26:46.700 And that's only because we have supporters like you, people who are members.

00:26:50.140 And we need more members so that we can do more reporting on the ground in places like this.

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00:27:03.400 I want to hear about what this change in strategy means from the red-blue political level.

00:27:08.920 Is this a win for Trump?

00:27:10.100 Is this a loss for Trump?

00:27:11.360 Did Walsh get something?

00:27:12.520 But before we talk about the present, Mr. Walsh, I want you to tell us about the past.

00:27:17.860 Yeah, we have a new show that I'm really excited about.

00:27:20.280 I'm obviously very excited about.

00:27:21.720 You know, it's called Real History.

00:27:23.520 So we just debuted last week the first episode of this series where we just look at historical episodes

00:27:30.640 that are much, much talked about, but not talked about honestly, especially by the school system

00:27:36.760 and the media and all of our institutions.

00:27:39.100 And the first episode, we talked about slavery, giving the real kind of history of slavery,

00:27:44.860 the real context for it, and what slavery in America looked like as opposed to other parts of the world.

00:27:51.420 And we've just filmed a couple other episodes as well that I'm even more excited about,

00:27:57.080 and that might prove to be even more controversial, which I think is great.

00:28:02.580 So stay tuned for all that.

00:28:03.820 Can we just jump right into, back to the subject at hand?

00:28:07.460 Because you asked about, is it a political win for Trump?

00:28:11.900 I think that for sure, and this cannot be stressed enough, it is a massive, massive, massive loss and failure

00:28:20.160 if Trump scales back at all in the slightest bit in response to what's happening in Minneapolis.

00:28:27.060 You can't, I mean, I don't think it's exaggerating to say if he does that, it's the end of his presidency.

00:28:31.060 It could very well be the end of any hopes for Republicans in 20, you know, even in the next presidential election.

00:28:37.760 What message does that send?

00:28:39.700 The only message that sends to the left is like, okay, well, here's the formula.

00:28:45.080 If we don't want actual deportations, mass deportations, if ICE shows up in your city

00:28:52.280 and you think they're doing too much, well, just get all your buddies together,

00:28:56.240 show up and get out there in the street, start rioting, cause chaos.

00:28:59.440 Yeah, bring your gun with you, go out there and sabotage, and that's the way to get what you want.

00:29:05.800 We saw what happened in 2020 when the left was just allowed to basically run roughshod over the entire country.

00:29:13.400 That's exactly what they did for months, and many people died and billions of dollars of damage,

00:29:17.960 and that's all that we are ensuring.

00:29:20.440 And also keep in mind that, as many other people have pointed out, it's the wintertime right now.

00:29:26.720 And so one of the reasons why this hasn't completely exploded, like powder keg style, the way that it did in 2020,

00:29:32.760 I think is that it's because of the weather.

00:29:35.120 And as we get into the summer months and it gets warmer, if Trump doesn't clamp down on this,

00:29:41.180 and that means not only keeping up the deportations, keep ICE, keep doing what you're doing,

00:29:47.060 but also we need mass deportations.

00:29:49.080 Now we also need mass arrests of the people who are doing this.

00:29:53.100 You know, the only thing about this, though, that bothers me,

00:29:55.720 the administration has made some missteps, and missteps cost you politically.

00:29:59.740 I mean, the minute these things happen, they come out and say this guy was a terrorist,

00:30:03.420 or he was gunning to massacre ICE agents, which does not seem to be the case.

00:30:08.360 And it's not wrong for him, for Trump, to correct that, to correct that trajectory,

00:30:12.740 to bring in Tom Homan, who seems much—I saw him just on Morning Joe, and he was great.

00:30:18.180 You know, he's the only guy in the administration who knows how to communicate

00:30:21.140 what they're actually trying to do and what they're thinking.

00:30:23.760 So I don't think it's a complete disaster.

00:30:25.800 I agree with you in the general point, Matt, but I think it's not a complete disaster

00:30:29.660 if he corrects the way the administration is handling these incidents

00:30:33.740 in order to communicate what it is we're doing.

00:30:36.740 Homan was great about saying, this is what we're doing.

00:30:39.080 This is who they're stopping us from arresting. 0.99

00:30:40.780 These guys are rapists. 1.00

00:30:41.620 They're murderers. 1.00

00:30:42.080 They're killers. 1.00

00:30:42.460 We want them out. 0.99

00:30:43.180 And it does seem like they were kind of—I don't know.

00:30:45.720 It did seem a little strong.

00:30:47.020 What do you mean?

00:30:47.620 Like, correct it in what way?

00:30:48.720 What do they need to correct?

00:30:49.620 Well, first of all, when a guy gets shot in a demonstration in a free country,

00:30:54.420 you don't immediately come out and say that he was doing things that he may not have been doing

00:30:57.900 because it makes you look like you're—it makes the administration look untrustworthy.

00:31:01.460 So now you've got an untrustworthy press on the left, and then you've got an untrustworthy administration.

00:31:07.200 It becomes an equal battle.

00:31:10.120 It shouldn't be an equal battle.

00:31:11.180 The administration should be saying, okay, we're going to look into this.

00:31:13.420 We'll examine what happened.

00:31:14.500 But it doesn't change the fact that we are getting illegals out of the country. 1.00

00:31:18.440 That's the message, and they didn't do that.

00:31:20.380 I totally agree with this.

00:31:21.140 And to this point, obviously, Kristi Noem is under serious fire as head of DHS.

00:31:26.240 I think that fire is completely appropriate, frankly.

00:31:28.200 This is the second straight incident in which she has completely mischaracterized the events that we can see with our own eyes.

00:31:34.300 She first suggested that Renee Goode was attempting to run down not one but multiple police officers, 1.00

00:31:40.780 and then she claimed that Alex Preddy was attempting to massacre, like, murder police officers,

00:31:47.820 showed up with a gun in order to do so, which, again, that is not what the tape seems to show to, I think, most people.

00:31:52.320 Again, that is not to suggest that the shooting isn't a legally justifiable shooting.

00:31:56.720 That is to say that her literal job is to say the process is going to take place.

00:32:01.180 We're going to uncover everything.

00:32:02.200 We are going to abide by the law, and we're going to keep abiding by the law.

00:32:04.820 I know that's the way to do it because Tom Homan has been doing that consistently.

00:32:07.660 He did it with Renee Goode.

00:32:08.940 He then did it again with Alex Preddy, which is why he should be the person in charge of this whole effort.

00:32:13.600 I frankly think that Kristi Noem has outstayed her welcome already. 1.00

00:32:17.340 The Calci markets, by the way, they are one of our sponsors.

00:32:20.140 They suggest 50% of people think that she's out by May.

00:32:23.960 I don't think that would be inappropriate.

00:32:24.980 It seems to me that the vast majority of things that Kristi Noem has done involve headlines in which she is spending certain amounts of money on either transportation or get up in order to take photos in front of particular situations.

00:32:38.420 She works at the pleasure of the president and for the president.

00:32:41.620 And part of that is making the president's agenda more palatable and understandable to Americans.

00:32:46.400 And if you're not going to do that, then really you shouldn't be the person in charge of that department, which is the reason I think why Gregory Bovino was moved out of his position as well, because he went out there and suggested that Alex Preddy was attempting to massacre people.

00:32:58.080 And then he went on all the shows on Sunday and had to walk that back or pretend that he never said it.

00:33:02.260 And this sort of thing undermines public support for a very important mission, which is the mass deportation that the Trump administration is trying to pursue.

00:33:10.160 Political capital matters, support for ICE matters.

00:33:13.760 So the polls have shown that back in 2019, ICE was basically even with the American people.

00:33:18.200 Today, they're 27 points underwater.

00:33:20.060 That is not because ICE is doing things differently than they've ever done it.

00:33:23.040 It is because of two factors.

00:33:24.020 The chaos operation run by Democrats and the bad PR job that has been done by members of the administration in the aftermath of that. 0.70

00:33:32.040 If the administration looks like the adult in the room and Democrats look as though they are basically the abolish ICE, let everybody run free party, that's a political win for Republicans.

00:33:41.400 Now, as far as where this ends up, I think the Democrats could very easily win the battle and lose the war, meaning I think that they could set up these domains of utter lawlessness.

00:33:50.640 And it turns out they did this in 2020, and it worked for them a little in 2020.

00:33:54.800 By 2024, Donald Trump was president again, because it turns out people do not like abolish the police.

00:33:59.620 They also do not like abolish ICE.

00:34:01.700 And so we have this kind of temporary gut level reaction to seeing, again, those ugly pictures on our TV.

00:34:06.500 But then if the policy that accompanies the ugly pictures is even worse than the policy that was present before the ugly pictures, then you end up with a backlash.

00:34:15.620 So I think the Democrats could step too far on this the other way.

00:34:18.460 But again, I think that I think Noam has not done a good job as DHS, frankly.

00:34:22.500 So, OK, so if the point is that the only real errors here have been in certain messaging.

00:34:28.360 OK, fair enough.

00:34:29.220 That happens.

00:34:29.860 I mean, look, these are very difficult operations.

00:34:32.160 We haven't seen a massive national push for mass deportations, really, as far as I'm concerned, since the 1950s, since Operation Wetback.

00:34:40.540 You know, Obama would sometimes gloat when it was convenient that, you know, they call me the deporter in chief or whatever.

00:34:45.260 But it was really just turnaways.

00:34:47.040 He wasn't he wasn't leading full scale operations to get rid of these guys.

00:34:50.300 So I'm willing to give the administration a little grace here.

00:34:52.920 But but my question then is, OK, if it's a PR issue, then who is going to win the PR war?

00:34:59.480 Because, you know, maybe Walls and the Democrats in Minnesota say, ha, we got Bovino's skull, his scalp.

00:35:06.540 He's out of town now.

00:35:07.520 And see, Trump is talking to Tim Walls.

00:35:09.920 But then I look at the sequence of events.

00:35:11.920 Tim Walls comes out.

00:35:12.780 He says these face tattooed gangsters are basically Anne Frank and federal law enforcement are the Nazis.

00:35:18.460 And they're going to write a book about this someday.

00:35:20.800 Then that was one.

00:35:21.980 That was Sunday.

00:35:22.960 Monday, Trump speaks to Tim Walls on the phone.

00:35:26.860 Tuesday, Tim Walls's troops, Minnesota State Patrol, go in and start arresting actual protesters.

00:35:33.160 By the way, not even like Alex Pretty fake protesters, like real protesters, albeit the kind who get violent because that's what happens in Minneapolis.

00:35:40.220 So then I see, OK, you lose Bovino.

00:35:42.280 And then who are they inserting instead?

00:35:44.000 Tom Homan, who is much more the face of the mass deportations.

00:35:47.740 I'm looking at this.

00:35:49.420 Maybe it's rose colored glasses, but I don't really think it is.

00:35:52.060 I agree with Matt.

00:35:52.980 They can't they can't scale back even one little bit.

00:35:55.980 I agree with you guys.

00:35:57.300 Yes, the messaging needs to be tight, of course.

00:35:59.560 But if they don't scale back and all we get is, OK, Tom Homan's leading it now and Walls backs down and in his own words, says that he's a Nazi collaborator.

00:36:09.300 That looks like a political win to me.

00:36:11.540 I'm looking I'm looking at this and seeing a potential political win, too.

00:36:14.860 I think you're actually right about this. 0.98

00:36:16.680 I mean, what I've what I'm seeing is that in this conversation with Walls, Trump must have said something that that got his got him to cooperate, possibly threatened to expose the fact that he's obviously a homosexual serial killer. 0.92

00:36:29.340 In his spare time, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, just judging by his body language. 0.93

00:36:35.240 I mean, that's all I'm going by.

00:36:36.780 But but I mean, something he must have said something to get him on board because it does look it does look different to me today and it looks different in a good way.

00:36:44.600 And I think it's a good thing to have Homan in there because of his messaging and also because he's just good at this.

00:36:49.520 He just does a good job.

00:36:50.580 And he's a typical American guy.

00:36:51.860 Yeah, I think, Drew, your point here, I think, is well taken.

00:36:55.320 And I think that, you know, the the Tim, my guess is that what Trump said to him is something like, OK, we're going to keep enforcing federal law.

00:37:02.680 What is your recommendation for how we do this differently?

00:37:04.820 He probably put it back in his lap and said, you're saying you don't want us to do this.

00:37:07.800 So what so what do you recommend?

00:37:09.180 Because we can't stop enforcing federal law.

00:37:11.100 And if you get in the way of us enforcing federal law, I will declare the Insurrection Act and then you will have a real problem on your hands inside your state because it's going to look like you're going up against the federal government.

00:37:20.320 And that has a long and inglorious history in American law.

00:37:23.860 By the way, it won't just look like that.

00:37:25.160 He invoked 1863, Tim Walls.

00:37:27.320 He threatened to call up Minnesota troops to fight the federal government.

00:37:30.460 I mean, this is as clear an insurrection as there is.

00:37:33.360 A hundred percent.

00:37:34.160 And so I think that Trump probably said that I think Walls backed off of the thing.

00:37:36.860 I think he's probably going to claim some sort of titular victory by getting Bovino out of there.

00:37:40.520 But the reality is also this.

00:37:42.840 And I think it's something that everybody ought to keep in mind about just the way our politics are done.

00:37:47.160 If you ask Americans, would they like to cut the federal government dramatically?

00:37:51.320 They always say yes by huge numbers.

00:37:52.880 And then if you ask them what specific programs they want to cut, the answer is none of them.

00:37:56.660 And if you ask Americans, would you like to deport 20 million illegal immigrants?

00:37:59.700 They all say yes.

00:38:00.600 And then they say, would you like to spend billions upon billions of dollars deporting Abuela? 0.98

00:38:04.200 Then they say, no, we only want the criminal illegal immigrants. 0.79

00:38:06.200 So you have to drill down into what Americans kind of revealed preferences are on this thing.

00:38:11.300 And again, I'm not saying that that doesn't mean that we should pursue massive mass deportations.

00:38:15.720 I'm just saying that there's a reason why Tom Homan and the rest of the administration keep saying the phrase criminal illegal immigrants, because that's the area where you have 9010 approval. 0.99

00:38:24.260 When you're talking about people who have already committed other crimes, if you start with those people, you're never going to run into political headwinds.

00:38:31.080 You're just going to win from beginning to end.

00:38:33.560 Where things are going to start to get much dicier is in situations in which you are unleashing tens of thousands of federal agents in areas and doing these sort of mass deportations, because then you get the ugly pictures on your TV again.

00:38:46.600 So we would just do well to acknowledge political reality as much as we acknowledge the reality of reality, which is that mass migration has done tremendous damage to the country and needs to end.

00:38:56.520 And there's also the fact that we can get rid of a lot of people in quieter ways just by making it impossible for them to work.

00:39:02.860 Then, you know, they'll self-deport.

00:39:04.320 There is, though, you know, just to give a little grace to these guys, including Bovino, there are a lot of clips going around from Minneapolis of the protesters, the agitators arguing and saying, you know, you're just rounding people up, you know, indiscriminately.

00:39:19.920 And you'll have the ICE officers say, we are targeting this guy, you know, this guy who's wanted for domestic violence, this guy who's got, you know, a felony or a misdemeanor or whatever.

00:39:28.240 And so I actually do think that these raids are clearly quite targeted.

00:39:32.380 It's not like they're just showing up to Home Depot, though they would be justified in doing that as well.

00:39:36.840 So, yes, as there there has been a PR failure.

00:39:40.140 There's no question about that.

00:39:41.460 I think we all have to grant, though, there was always going to be some kind of PR failure.

00:39:45.440 It was always going to be very difficult.

00:39:47.080 And it's always Minneapolis.

00:39:49.400 You know, it's always Minneapolis.

00:39:50.820 It seems to be only Minneapolis.

00:39:52.820 So what's the difference in the United States where they're where they're sanctuary cities, which is a city basically in violation of federal law.

00:40:00.320 You know, I mean, yes.

00:40:01.240 And so when you look at that, look, this is clearly they're trying to do a repeat of the summer of love, albeit, thankfully, to Matt's point in the winter, which makes it better for us.

00:40:09.700 But they're trying to do that.

00:40:11.160 It worked for them last time.

00:40:12.520 If Trump scales back now that he will have taken every wrong lesson out of the summer of love.

00:40:16.800 So you've got to keep the pressure up.

00:40:18.320 But it looks to me like this is a political operation.

00:40:21.680 And then you get all these reports that the lieutenant governor of Minnesota was allegedly in the signal chats helping to direct some of this stuff.

00:40:29.180 You have state representatives who are calling for resistance, actively obstructing law enforcement.

00:40:34.300 You know, at what point do we bring the hammer of the law down on the officials who are helping to conspire for all of this?

00:40:40.720 To include the mayor of Minneapolis, that's one of the reasons why, you know, when Trump said he had a good conversation with Jacob Fry, and I get this, you know, this is how Trump does business. 0.98

00:40:51.780 He talks to someone, even if they're a huge scumbag and they have a nice conversation. 0.99

00:40:55.260 And then Trump likes him for like 24 hours and hates him again. 0.99

00:40:58.260 I get that.

00:40:58.800 But Jacob Fry, I mean, this guy, like we can't look past the fact that this is the same guy who was fomenting and facilitating mass rioting in 2020.

00:41:09.640 And now he's doing it again.

00:41:11.420 He just did this exact same thing again.

00:41:14.180 We're repeating it five, six years later.

00:41:16.760 And that's why I think that if, yeah, we could talk about honing the PR message a little bit.

00:41:23.000 That's one thing, but to scale back in the slightest and also for there to be no consequences at all.

00:41:29.600 To your point, Michael, if there are no consequences for any of these actual public officials at all who've been involved in this, then I think it's a, it's a massive, massive loss in the end.

00:41:39.780 And it only, it only just going to guarantee more in the future.

00:41:42.220 Walsh has already been chased out of office by his own corruption.

00:41:44.420 So there's that, you know, he's not really, he's not really running for anything ever again.

00:41:49.160 I mean, I don't know what, what I don't know.

00:41:50.580 I mean, I could see, I could see Walls trying to transition this into a presidential run.

00:41:54.340 The person who's most grateful for, honestly, the person who's the most grateful for all of this is Tim Walls.

00:41:59.280 He was in the middle of a fraud scandal when all of this erupted.

00:42:02.600 And now he's going to look like a hero to a huge segment of the Democratic Party base.

00:42:06.880 So there's that.

00:42:07.780 One thing that is worth noting here is, again, the last 10 years have just proved that a huge swath of our population is unbelievably bored and also susceptible to the idea that there is great fun to be had in making trouble.

00:42:18.300 Really, I mean, when you watch people out in the streets blowing whistles to obstruct ice operations, whether it's that or the summer of love or any of the rest of this kind of idiocy in the streets that we've been watching, and it seems to be becoming more and more common.

00:42:31.840 And I think we do have to ask ourselves the question, what the hell is wrong with this society in which large swaths of working age people are finding the time and effort to go out in the middle of the freezing cold in order to agitate?

00:42:44.260 I mean, that speaks to a sort of unwellness that I think is pretty astonishing.

00:42:49.880 And it seems to be, you know, relegated to certain populations.

00:42:54.880 And here it seems like white liberal ladies in the suburbs are one of those populations. 1.00

00:43:00.440 It seems to be disproportionately attending some of these operations in Minneapolis.

00:43:04.820 I mean, I wonder what the sort of societal problem that we're experiencing that is generating all of this is.

00:43:09.400 The three words, it's Marvel movie morality.

00:43:15.380 It's this extremely simplistic view where the liberals are always the good guys and the conservatives are always the bad guys.

00:43:21.980 And worse than that, it's a Marvel movie anthropology.

00:43:25.000 Did you see this video?

00:43:26.060 One of these agitators picks up a flashbang, one of these non-lethal grenades.

00:43:30.620 Like, clearly she saw it in some movie and she goes to throw it, blows her finger off.

00:43:34.340 It's going around on the anti-ice social media pages right now.

00:43:37.120 Or the idea that you can drive your car into a cop and then when the cops pull their guns out, the lesbian partner says, why did the gun have bullets in it? 1.00

00:43:47.540 After Alex Pretty was shot, the woman who was filming this whole thing, who could have tried to intervene, who could have tried to pull him off the cops, when they shot him, she goes, what?

00:43:57.020 Shocked.

00:43:57.460 Like, she had never been more surprised by anything in her life.

00:43:59.620 These are people who take their entire view of history, anthropology, and morality from comic book movies.

00:44:07.060 And they go out and they meet reality.

00:44:09.820 And the part that I feel sorriest for them about is they seem genuinely surprised by it.

00:44:15.180 That's how divorced from reality they are.

00:44:16.800 You know, I have to say, too, though, I was reading an article about our pal, Nick Fuentes, and what the complaints are of people who go and look at him.

00:44:26.580 One of the things that really bothers me about Fuentes is I keep hearing people say how talented he is and how funny he is.

00:44:32.820 Like, the reason this bothers me is one of my few talents is spotting broadcast talent.

00:44:37.040 He's a moderate third-level broadcast talent.

00:44:40.100 He's got a sense of humor and he says things that are outrageous and that makes you laugh.

00:44:44.020 But he's not really – he's not a real talent like I've seen people be.

00:44:48.420 Like, even some of the people in this very room have tons more talent than he does.

00:44:54.140 But he is speaking to something that is bothering people, which is this kind of, you know, transvaluation of all values where men are penalized for being men, where women aren't women, where women are actually encouraged not to be like women.

00:45:08.580 And something is really strange in this country that is the left seeping through our media, which, in my opinion, is 100% corrupt.

00:45:17.920 I mean, you've got, like – you've got poor Barry Weiss.

00:45:20.400 He's like this fleck of dust in the machine, and they're all getting together to get rid of her.

00:45:24.400 You know, it's like this one middle-of-the-road lefty.

00:45:27.060 It's like too much for them to take because she's going to make people play fair. 1.00

00:45:32.100 You know, this media machine, which is crumbling around us as we see the Washington Post getting rid of all its people, it's crumbling.

00:45:38.480 But it's not crumbling fast enough.

00:45:40.480 And we still have a generation of people who were schooled in this machine, schooled in the academies, and actually believe the values of the left are values, which they're not.

00:45:49.160 They're just an agitation, as you call it, a chaos operation.

00:45:51.640 And I think that that is – it's a serious problem because they don't have churches to go to, they don't have synagogues to go to, and they don't have any other set of values to hook themselves to.

00:46:00.020 Well, they have the churches that they can invade in violation of federal law.

00:46:03.460 Exactly.

00:46:03.600 They do have – they go to those.

00:46:04.800 Scream at children, yeah. 0.71

00:46:05.900 Synagogues, yeah. 1.00

00:46:06.620 Isn't that why you go into churches, to scream at children until they cry?

00:46:10.840 Do we think there's going to be any political consequence even for that stuff?

00:46:13.820 Because to your point, Matt, you brought it up.

00:46:16.000 Yeah, we want the illegals out. 1.00

00:46:17.780 People voted for mass deportations in 2024.

00:46:19.680 We want that operation to continue.

00:46:21.640 What about the agitators?

00:46:23.480 Are they going to be rounded up?

00:46:24.980 Are these people going to be held to account for violations of the FACE Act, say, or maybe other federal law?

00:46:30.840 Or is Tim Walsh – I mean, just to use the Tim Walsh example, Scott Bessent, Treasury Secretary, came out.

00:46:35.420 He said, I went to investigate fraud in Minnesota.

00:46:38.340 Tim Walsh would not give me a security detail.

00:46:40.640 Amid all this craziness in Minnesota that's been going on for five years, he wouldn't give me a security detail.

00:46:45.340 That no longer looks like, oh, just some little knucklehead.

00:46:47.700 That looks like thuggery. 0.94

00:46:49.180 That looks like deep corruption.

00:46:50.660 That looks like he might have been conspiring in some of this fraud.

00:46:53.580 Are any of these people going to be held to account?

00:46:57.980 Okay, that's what I thought.

00:46:59.140 Okay, great.

00:46:59.580 So far for the church thing, I think they've arrested two people who also were out of jail within 24 hours.

00:47:11.280 And we know how that would go.

00:47:12.380 We know how it would go if they were outside of an abortion clinic and got arrested.

00:47:16.060 They would not be out of jail even right now pending the trial and all that.

00:47:20.520 And then we know the situation with Don Lemon, who still has not been arrested.

00:47:24.860 So it doesn't, there should be, it should be that there are many people suffering very severe consequences, but it doesn't appear that that's going to happen.

00:47:33.560 And if we're, and that's why I think the church thing, I don't know how many people invaded the church.

00:47:37.860 It was dozens, it looked like, or at least a dozen or around that.

00:47:40.880 It was a lot.

00:47:41.340 But if, if that's it, like if it's just those two and they end up getting slapped with a fine or they got to do a few days in jail or something, Don Lemon never goes to jail.

00:47:50.600 If that's it for that, then I think that is a very bad sign, you know, going forward.

00:47:57.300 Yeah.

00:47:57.780 I don't understand why we treat these guys so leniently either.

00:48:00.820 I don't get it.

00:48:02.940 Ben, is there any, my only thought was, is it just going to be hard because he can pretend to be a journalist?

00:48:07.160 And that's why they don't want to do it because they don't want to lose because they're not going to get a lot of information.

00:48:11.340 Yeah, I think that's right.

00:48:13.020 I mean, I think, I think that he will escape the, the, the clause of justice once again.

00:48:17.200 Don Lemon has thwarted, thwarted the mechanisms.

00:48:20.220 He's like, he's like the Joker, you know, exactly.

00:48:23.520 He's, he, he's doing it for you, the people.

00:48:27.780 Ever since he allegedly groped that guy at Murph's bar in the Hamptons, he just gets away with it every time.

00:48:34.480 Deeply, deeply frustrating.

00:48:35.860 Well, I mentioned the Marvel movie morality.

00:48:38.580 I haven't seen any of the movies this year.

00:48:40.420 I don't, I don't think I've seen a single one.

00:48:42.180 I guess it's Oscar season.

00:48:44.020 I've heard about some of the movies and certainly my lack of knowledge will not stop me from opining on it.

00:48:49.940 Have any of you seen any of the actual movies?

00:48:51.900 I've seen a few of them.

00:48:53.180 I have to admit, before we talk about the Oscars, in, in my business with crime writing, the Oscar is the Edgar Award named after Edgar Allan Poe.

00:48:59.820 I've won two of them and I've just been nominated for my sixth one for my book, Kingdom of Cain, which is nominated in the critical biographical category.

00:49:08.700 So I just wanted to announce that.

00:49:10.360 But, but I've seen, I've seen some of the, the, uh, it's amazing that, you know, on the form that I had the PR form, I had thought it asked my pronouns.

00:49:18.000 So you know how, uh, what a great chance I have of winning, but still the nomination was a shock.

00:49:22.680 Uh, you know, I, the films that I have seen sinners and that one, one battle after another and Frankenstein, uh, we're all, all have the exact same problem.

00:49:33.940 Um, incredibly brilliant technical, uh, talent went into making them look beautiful, but because the people have no philosophy that makes sense in the second half, they just completely unraveled because they don't know what they're saying.

00:49:48.600 The only thing that Guillermo del Toro can say is monsters are nice.

00:49:52.600 You should sleep with them. 0.95

00:49:53.420 Girls should sleep with monsters. 1.00

00:49:54.640 And that's, that's all he says in every movie. 0.95

00:49:56.400 You just think like, you know, get a psychiatrist, work that out and come back and make a movie that makes some sense.

00:50:01.320 You know, sinners, sinners the same way.

00:50:03.540 It's a steal from that Tarantino movie where everybody turns out to be, it was dusk till dawn.

00:50:07.960 And then, yeah.

00:50:08.900 And, and the second half of the first half of it, it's beautiful.

00:50:11.720 The music, fantastic acting is pretty good, but, but the second half of it makes absolutely no sense. 0.90

00:50:17.540 And it ends up with this scene of murdering mean white people as a means of getting into heaven. 0.62

00:50:23.940 You can't forgive people. 1.00

00:50:25.300 You have to kill them before you can get actually get into heaven. 0.57

00:50:27.920 And, and, and the same is true of that, uh, of that one about the one battle after another, it's just left violent left-wing propaganda, basically, uh, romanticized. 0.98

00:50:37.280 And at this point, I just kind of thought like, yeah, no, I mean, how can you, you can't say anything bad about DiCaprio is an actor.

00:50:45.540 He's a good actor.

00:50:46.240 All these people are really talented and the talent is there, but each film unravels in the second half because the philosophy behind it or the outlet behind it makes no sense.

00:50:54.700 I wonder about the timing though, because you mentioned these movies that promote left-wing political violence and they're the really hot movies this year.

00:51:02.160 And then I think back, what was it now?

00:51:04.320 Almost nine, eight, nine, 10 years ago when the big hot movies were Moonlight and Shape of Water.

00:51:10.480 So at that time, the weird sex stuff was in vogue and they, they pushed a movie about pederasty and a movie about having sex with a fish.

00:51:16.960 And now left-wing violence is in vogue and they, they pushed one, one battle after another, whatever, all these other movies.

00:51:23.020 And I think, okay, there's very little connection between the popular zeitgeist and the movies that win Oscars, but there seems to be a very tight connection between the zeitgeist in Hollywood, you know, the kind of fashions of the elite liberals and the movies that they put up.

00:51:38.280 And so I think, okay, well, that's a tell, you know, that's, they're just pushing left-wing political violence.

00:51:41.960 Now they've been celebrating it at least since Charlie was assassinated and, uh, okay, at least that's a decent metric on where we are, on where our elites are.

00:51:50.040 Uh, it just, does it have any connection to the actual popular culture?

00:51:53.740 I sort of hope it doesn't.

00:51:55.280 So, I mean, I was trying to counter that as far as I was being distracted, not just because I couldn't deal with whatever Knowles was saying, but I was trying to write down the names of the, of the, uh, the best picture nominees.

00:52:05.760 I believe that I have seen of the 10, because they, they expanded this category when Dark Knight wasn't nominated way back when, uh, they expanded the category.

00:52:13.420 So now it's 10 and of the 10, I believe it should not have been nominated, by the way.

00:52:18.600 Here we go.

00:52:19.800 You know what?

00:52:20.880 That is the most offensive thing you have said in this entire episode, Matt Walsh.

00:52:24.840 That is a horrifying statement.

00:52:26.860 And I hope that you enjoy your, your, your being frozen in darkness, getting, getting no less than you deserve for that, for that comment.

00:52:34.640 I do.

00:52:35.180 Uh, just, just, I, dang it.

00:52:36.920 Well, that didn't work.

00:52:37.620 Anyway, there, there are 10 films that have been nominated.

00:52:40.220 I believe I've seen six of them.

00:52:41.840 Um, the, the ones that I've not seen yet are Begonia Hamnet, The Secret Agent, which is not available on streaming yet.

00:52:46.980 I'm already supreme, which is not available on streaming yet.

00:52:48.880 One of the big problems here is that I've seen none of these films in a movie theater because of course movie theaters are basically dead.

00:52:55.340 Uh, and so the, the notion that you, that anyone is seeing a lot of these movies in the theater is, is just not true.

00:53:01.200 Um, yes, I mean, the, the thematic of the Oscar is which movie is most likely to foment anti-right-wing violence.

00:53:09.000 That, that is clearly the theme.

00:53:10.260 The, the two movies that are currently being touted as the front runners for Best Picture are One Battle After Another,

00:53:16.220 which is an Antifa fantasy flick about how a group of rebels decide, multiracial radicals, uh, and their, their kind of hapless white friend, Leonardo DiCaprio, uh, decide that they are going to engage in anti-ice operations, right?

00:53:31.900 They're going to free a bunch of illegal immigrants. 0.99

00:53:33.460 They're, they're going to, the big hero of the film is, uh, Benicio Del Toro, who is the only competent terrorist in the film who, who basically runs an underground railroad for illegal immigrants. 0.98

00:53:42.660 Uh, the great villain in the film is Sean Penn, who's a guy with a black lady fetish, uh, and works for law enforcement and is gross and violent, obviously. 0.85

00:53:51.060 And the entire United States is run by a secret group of white supremacists who wear polo shirts, right? 0.91

00:53:55.160 That, that's, that's the basis for One Battle After Another.

00:53:57.600 Uh, and I wish I was joking, but that's actually the plot of One Battle After Another.

00:54:00.700 Uh, it is, it is, it is so subtle, so subtle, subtle as a brick.

00:54:04.940 Uh, the, the acting in it, I thought was actually not particularly good.

00:54:08.140 DiCaprio is fine.

00:54:09.000 He doesn't have much to do is the truth, uh, in the film, and so the, the film is basically a giant fail.

00:54:14.200 The other one that people have been touting now is Sinners because Sinners got so much, so many nominations.

00:54:19.900 It is now the most nominated film in Oscar history, which is kind of watered down considering they've added a bunch of categories and also absurd on its face because Sinners is a B-level movie at best.

00:54:30.140 Uh, just, just in terms of the, the direction, it's, it's beautiful to look at.

00:54:34.240 I mean, I will say that the, the, the, the first hour of it is, is, is I think beautifully directed.

00:54:38.940 It looks, it looks great.

00:54:40.680 The acting is good.

00:54:42.180 Uh, the music, uh, there are a couple of songs that really, that really kind of move.

00:54:46.640 Uh, it's kind of like a musical.

00:54:48.000 It's basically a musical, um, but it's a musical about how black people need to break away and form their own country. 0.92

00:54:54.080 And any white imprint on black people is actually the white people attempting to steal their blood and their soul. 0.93

00:54:58.620 That is the basic idea of the movie. 0.98

00:55:00.080 Uh, that is why the vampires are led by a white Irish group, musical group. 0.94

00:55:05.600 It's supposed to be, I assume some sort of commentary on white people stealing black music and then living off of the lifeblood of black people. 0.89

00:55:12.340 There's a lot of anti-Christian commentary about how Christianity, uh, is a religion that is, that is foisted upon black people. 0.94

00:55:18.760 But true blackness is animism and paganism from, from Africa. 0.99

00:55:23.460 That's, that's where the real black spirit lies. 0.98

00:55:26.140 It's an incredibly racist film. 0.98

00:55:27.980 It's a really racist film. 0.64

00:55:29.180 It's also incredibly reductive of the black experience in America in kind of bizarre ways.

00:55:33.100 Uh, and also reductive of the, the actual development of, of music.

00:55:37.680 Like if you're going to look at the blues and, and the, the, the kind of basis of it is it all takes place in the 1930s.

00:55:42.380 And they, these black guys decide they're going to create a blues bar essentially.

00:55:46.160 And this blues bar is where black people can be free.

00:55:48.360 This is the basic premise of the film.

00:55:50.120 And, and the entire idea and that the big kind of Ballyhood scene is a scene where one of the guys is a black singer and he's strong the guitar and he's singing the blues. 0.99

00:55:58.060 And it really is, it kicks ass. 0.98

00:55:59.820 It's great. 0.99

00:56:00.160 And then it goes into this fantasy where he's uniting all of the black influences of the past and all black people in the future. 0.60

00:56:06.880 And so you have people playing the electric guitar and you have people from Africa who are walking around a drum and all of this.

00:56:12.280 And then you have a ballet dancer, a black ballet dancer who moves through and you think to yourself, wait, hold up a second. 0.64

00:56:16.260 I feel like that is not a historically black art form, the ballet.

00:56:20.080 And also the guitar was not invented in Africa.

00:56:22.600 And also the chord progression of the blues was not invented in Africa.

00:56:25.940 And actually music, as it turns out, is a group event, just like culture is a group event, meaning that it is, it is pulled from a number of different influences.

00:56:34.680 You can't take a single cultural thing that exists and not find cultural imprints from a dozen different cultures on it, some more than others. 0.93

00:56:42.460 But to pretend that there's no white cultural influence in the blues is, of course, silly. 0.96

00:56:46.260 Any more than to not acknowledge that there's huge black influence in rock and roll would be really, really silly. 0.98

00:56:50.880 And so this kind of reductive ideology is really dumb, but that's exactly why it's being celebrated. 0.98

00:56:55.300 You know, the point on the religion, Ben, is just so funny because you hear this a lot. 0.99

00:56:59.540 This is the whole point of Kwanzaa is like black people shouldn't celebrate Christmas. 1.00

00:57:03.240 Christianity isn't for black people. 0.99

00:57:05.000 I just pulled up. 0.99

00:57:05.940 I'm happy to have my computer here.

00:57:07.120 There is a saint in the church who goes back to the year 330 A.D. who was so black that his name is St. Moses the Black.

00:57:17.520 That's that guy.

00:57:18.340 So it like this is not some new thing like, you know, Christianity just came to black people yesterday.

00:57:23.860 You know, it's been around black people basically from the beginning, but don't tell that to Hollywood.

00:57:28.140 Isn't that the first, isn't it, the Ethiopian, one of the first people to convert the Bible?

00:57:32.140 I mean, North Africa, North Africans had a lot to do with the early development of the church.

00:57:37.780 Just just a few of them.

00:57:39.200 So, by the way, the Calci markets, again, they're one of our sponsors.

00:57:42.260 They suggest that sinners is way up in the in the markets now is up like it was five or six percent a week ago.

00:57:47.540 Now it's up to twenty five percent.

00:57:49.220 One battle after another is still leading that.

00:57:51.540 But, yeah, I mean, the you know, it is it is a deeply racist. 0.96

00:57:55.480 It also kind of sucks, meaning the first half of it is good. 0.98

00:57:57.520 And then the second half of it is a mess. 0.98

00:57:58.820 Once the vampires come, the whole thing really, really falls apart in pretty significant ways.

00:58:03.020 It's not as racist as the Academy Awards, I think, lost all credibility.

00:58:09.220 I mean, if there's a moment you can point to, it's when they gave I think it was seven nominations to Black Panther, including Best Picture. 0.83

00:58:16.520 And so at that point, and by the way, you know, when that happened, I said, this is ridiculous.

00:58:21.860 People said, well, have you even watched the movie?

00:58:23.820 And the answer is no, I never watched.

00:58:25.220 Like, I don't need to watch the movie.

00:58:26.500 I can just tell you that it's ridiculous that Black Panther is this critically acclaimed film.

00:58:32.520 So it's kind of lost all credibility from that point on, although I will say there are a couple of movies that were nominated that it's not all bad.

00:58:39.060 Like, I actually do.

00:58:40.160 I'm not as down on modern filmmaking as maybe some of the rest of you guys here because I do think they're interesting movies and even really good movies that come out every year.

00:58:49.540 I thought I actually begonia, I think, was nominated as a Best Picture, right?

00:58:54.400 And and I saw that and I thought I would hate it because I figured because I knew it was this story about this conspiracy.

00:59:01.600 You know, it was implied to kind of like right wing basement dwelling conspiracy theorist who kidnaps this female CEO and like holds her hostage in the basement.

00:59:10.880 And so I thought it would just be this kind of broadside against right wing conspiracy theories.

00:59:18.820 And it wasn't quite that, or at least I think it was a little bit more complicated than that, the point they were making.

00:59:23.740 And I thought it was an interesting movie.

00:59:24.900 So that was one as well.

00:59:26.820 And I thought Train Dreams was if you get there's a little there's some woke racial stuff in the beginning of the movie.

00:59:32.420 You know, they got to they got to show some of that.

00:59:34.200 They got to cover that base.

00:59:35.440 But then once you get past that, I thought it was I thought it was a beautifully made movie that had really no plot at all.

00:59:42.380 But I I I enjoyed it anyway.

00:59:45.300 OK, so this is this is my big problem.

00:59:46.760 OK, so I saw Train Dreams.

00:59:48.260 No plot.

00:59:49.280 F1 is just a popcorn flick.

00:59:50.940 It's it's kind of a warmed over Top Gun.

00:59:53.060 It's fine.

00:59:53.820 It's it's fine.

00:59:54.620 It's it's a warmed over Top Gun Maverick.

00:59:56.440 Yeah.

00:59:56.780 Right.

00:59:57.060 It's a Top Gun Maverick is just a better version of F1.

00:59:59.960 And it's it's it's fine.

01:00:03.420 Sentimental Value is another one of these art house flicks about how artists suffer in pursuit of their art.

01:00:09.140 And we should all care because they're artists.

01:00:10.560 And that means they're very, very important.

01:00:12.320 Sinners, we've discussed one battle after another.

01:00:14.240 Frankenstein, I was really disappointed by because, again, the source material, the reason people keep getting the source material wrong is the whole thing is about how secular atheism robs people of their meaning.

01:00:24.260 That's the entire basis of the Mary Shelley book.

01:00:26.720 I'm reading it to my to my daughter right now.

01:00:28.780 She's a little young for it, but we're doing it anyway.

01:00:30.280 She's 11 and I'm reading it to her.

01:00:32.160 And and the the entire thing is about how once you dispense with God, what you end up with is basically meat and how that robs people of their soul.

01:00:43.500 And when you not just the monster, but the people who actually build the monster are robbed of their soul by treating people as though they have no soul and they are just pieces of meat, essentially.

01:00:51.320 And because Guillermo del Toro doesn't understand that it's just a monster flick.

01:00:55.200 It's a beautifully made monster flick, but it's a monster flick.

01:00:58.200 And there's also this thing with sleeping with the girls want to sleep with the monster.

01:01:01.740 It's like the guy's got a mommy.

01:01:03.320 He's got some kind of Freudian thing, like a throwback to Freudian problems.

01:01:07.480 And by the way, you should read the chapter in the Kingdom of Cain, which was nominated for an Edgar.

01:01:12.320 I may have mentioned you should read the chapter in Frankenstein and Kingdom of Cain.

01:01:15.120 It's a totally original take on Frankenstein.

01:01:17.080 It's really good.

01:01:18.140 I think that what this speaks to.

01:01:19.820 And again, this is what drives me up a wall.

01:01:21.520 The writing in Hollywood has declined markedly.

01:01:24.040 This to me is the biggest problem because the pictures are beautiful.

01:01:27.220 The pictures are more beautiful than they've ever been.

01:01:29.260 Right.

01:01:29.680 The sound quality is better than it has ever been.

01:01:32.780 Right.

01:01:33.080 The quality of the camera work is better than it has ever been.

01:01:35.720 You can do things with cameras you couldn't do.

01:01:37.520 And the movies are not as good because the writing is just not good.

01:01:41.080 And maybe that's because people have become too reliant on all of the rest of it.

01:01:45.300 You know, they don't know what to do.

01:01:46.340 No, it's because they don't know what they think, Ben.

01:01:47.940 I think that's really it.

01:01:49.180 Yeah.

01:01:49.540 Yeah.

01:01:49.940 I mean, and the beginning of Frankenstein is so beautiful that I thought, oh, I love this movie.

01:01:55.100 I thought I was going to love it.

01:01:56.320 The same thing was true of Nosferatu.

01:01:57.980 God, it was gorgeous.

01:01:58.660 And I saw Nosferatu in the theater, and it was unbelievably gorgeous.

01:02:03.140 But they don't know what they believe because they're not allowed.

01:02:05.220 And the guy who makes Nosferatu, the director's name, is obviously looking for God.

01:02:08.660 But he can't quite, you know, find him or he can't quite admit him.

01:02:11.640 But, Drew, this is why I think that the only two top contenders, they do know what they think.

01:02:16.680 What they think is bad and wrong.

01:02:18.340 But they know what they think.

01:02:19.740 But it doesn't make any sense, you know.

01:02:21.480 Well, yes.

01:02:22.280 I mean, internally, it makes no sense.

01:02:24.040 But there's at least a through line. 1.00

01:02:26.100 The through line is bad and stupid. 1.00

01:02:27.580 But it is a through line. 1.00

01:02:30.480 And a lot of these other movies are sort of wandering around in search of a through line.

01:02:34.320 Yeah.

01:02:34.800 And you can watch them around.

01:02:36.240 Go ahead.

01:02:36.900 So what we can look forward to is that the winners in the big award for our popular culture will either be meaningless and completely inverted from reality. 1.00

01:02:46.500 Or it will know what it believes and just be really bad and stupid. 0.99

01:02:51.180 Yeah, I think that's fair. 1.00

01:02:52.500 Great.

01:02:53.000 Okay.

01:02:53.420 Well, anyway, it's been fun, guys.

01:02:54.980 I hope you all stay warm.

01:02:55.960 Ben, you will be staying warm.

01:02:57.360 And I guess I'll be able to join all of you for another chipper episode of Friendly Fire next time.

The Michael Knowles Show - January 29, 2026

Friendly Fire： ICE. Ice. (And The Oscars) Baby.

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