The Michael Knowles Show - Friendly Fire： Sabrina Carpenter Uncanceled & Prosecuting The Left's Money Laundering Machine

00:00:00.000 It's not even just the Indian guy pretending to be a hot MAGA chick. 0.60

00:00:02.940 Did you see the hot MAGA chick who is on the Sugar Daddy's website at DHS? 0.64

00:00:07.660 Did you guys catch this?

00:00:08.540 Yes.

00:00:09.180 Yeah.

00:00:09.380 I didn't see that story.

00:00:10.680 I didn't see that story.

00:00:11.380 No.

00:00:11.660 I don't want to knock, look, friendly fire.

00:00:13.560 I don't want to knock someone who's on the right, you know, working for the admin, doing

00:00:17.820 a good job, but that would seem to be a security risk.

00:00:22.440 We're working it for the admin.

00:00:25.640 She's in IT.

00:00:26.640 What is she doing?

00:00:27.320 Democrats' fault for cutting off their funding. 1.00

00:00:29.380 She had to make a living. 1.00

00:00:30.760 She's working IT. 1.00

00:00:31.980 She's working it for the admin.

00:00:36.380 Matt, the story is there's a staffer at counterterrorism

00:00:41.280 who was basically trying to catfish sugar daddies

00:00:46.200 into paying her bills by posting 1.00

00:00:48.300 scantily clad photographs on the internet.

00:00:52.600 And this guy did.

00:00:53.740 He paid him like 40 grand. 1.00

00:00:54.960 Yeah, she works in counterterrorism. 1.00

00:00:58.180 So she was, maybe it was a honeypot operation. 0.99

00:01:01.540 Yeah.

00:01:02.080 I just want to know.

00:01:04.840 Only hiring the best.

00:01:06.200 There's so much money out there, guys. 1.00

00:01:08.820 Like, there is money to be an Indian AI scammer. 0.86

00:01:13.940 There is money to go on dates with old men from the government.

00:01:17.840 There is money to just say the N-word a lot online,

00:01:21.240 and you'll be paid $3 million from the biggest left-wing group in America.

00:01:24.960 and I'm not getting any of the money. So maybe, maybe I'll say some racial slurs as this show

00:01:29.960 goes on to fill my pockets. This is Friendly Fire. Gentlemen, before we get to the really

00:01:45.960 important stories that everyone wants to talk about, we have a great guest coming on, Emily

00:01:49.200 Austin. Before we get to Sabrina Carpenter and Madonna and all the stories everyone really wants

00:01:53.800 to talk about. I guess we have to cover the fact that after years of debate, it turns out

00:02:00.300 the SPLC, as it was just indicted, it looks like they've been propping up white supremacy and

00:02:05.880 neo-Nazism in America. The left is the biggest funder of neo-Nazism in the country. And

00:02:10.040 I guess it turns out that Democrats are, in fact, the real racists. Is that right?

00:02:17.000 I always called SPLC a hate group, you know. I always called them a hate group,

00:02:21.460 but now they're actually a hate group. They actually are the hate group. I thought they

00:02:25.020 were hate groups for calling us hate groups. I thought that was hateful, but it wasn't hateful

00:02:28.280 enough that they're actually paying people. I mean, they could have been paying us. They could

00:02:32.440 have been paying us. If we were hateful, they could have been paying us. Well, this has been

00:02:36.420 Matt's point for a while because Matt's been a big target of the SPLC. It's like, if you're going

00:02:40.180 to be the target, you may as well be the person who's getting paid. But it does demonstrate once

00:02:43.760 and for all that for so many of these 501c3s, they have to generate the fentanyl in order to

00:02:48.280 fund the methadone clinic there's just there's not enough racism in america in order for them

00:02:53.860 to raise money to fight racism so what they could do is they can subsidize the racism in order to

00:02:58.460 get their donors to fight the racism you see this over and over and over in the non-profit space

00:03:03.460 people who the problem is if you solve the problem of racism what do you do you can either go out of

00:03:08.100 business or you can find the next thing to raise money off of or i guess you can just go spend

00:03:12.820 three million dollars funding the kkk so that you can fight the kkk it's it's it's it actually is

00:03:17.920 it's pretty wonderful. For those donors, it's sort of that meme from the last Gaza war where 0.75

00:03:21.860 you would see the Hamas rockets go up and then the Israeli Iron Dome go up and it would say,

00:03:26.140 my money, somehow also my money. And it's like that, I guess, for the people who are funding

00:03:31.040 the SPLC. It's like my money, the white supremacists, also somehow my money is like

00:03:35.240 fighting the white supremacists. It's pretty astounding, though, because we're not just

00:03:38.960 talking about this left-wing group, one of the most prominent that there is. We don't even know

00:03:43.360 how much money they have, but it's at least, what, $800 million? It's a little unclear.

00:03:47.180 almost a billion-dollar organization, not only are they giving a little money here or there,

00:03:51.040 going to an event, infiltrating a group, we're talking like a million dollars to a single person

00:03:57.620 over the course of some years. We are talking about leaders of the neo-Nazi groups are just

00:04:03.020 working for the left. We're talking about Unite the Right, which was the preeminent neo-Nazi

00:04:08.780 rally that Trump had tied around his neck for years and years and years. A whole big hoax comes

00:04:16.600 out of Charlottesville. That thing was organized by the SPLC. It's like everything else. It's like

00:04:24.740 everything else online. Everything else ends up devouring itself. You know, if you start out,

00:04:28.840 you're a conspiracy theorist, you ultimately have to be, have a conspiracy about the conspiracy.

00:04:33.700 So the guys who start out saying there's a conspiracy against Trump eventually have to

00:04:37.680 say Trump is part of the conspiracy because you run out of conspiracies. Like everything devours

00:04:41.460 itself. The left starts out, you know, if you're for game, if you're a gay guy for gay marriage, 0.73

00:04:45.480 you're a hero, then you're the villain because you're not for people pretending to be men when 0.86

00:04:51.340 they're actually women because you're not attracted to them. So everything on that line

00:04:54.940 just ultimately devours itself. There'll be nothing left except make-believe blonde women 1.00

00:04:59.420 supporting MAGA. This does give me a strange, it gives me a strange respect for Jesse Smollett 0.92

00:05:11.420 because he actually funded his own hate crime hoax.

00:05:15.220 He didn't get SPLC to do it.

00:05:18.120 He put his own money into it.

00:05:19.880 So you really got to support your mom and papa hate crime hoaxers

00:05:23.460 who are doing it.

00:05:24.040 I was thinking about a new segment on the show.

00:05:26.160 I do these different segments, you know, Music Monday, Tee Hee Hee Tuesday. 0.66

00:05:29.360 So I was thinking I might do White Supremacy Wednesday

00:05:31.820 brought to you by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

00:05:34.460 And then depending on how big the check is,

00:05:37.000 that will determine which racial slur I yell that day.

00:05:40.220 But it's really annoying.

00:05:41.420 Because I generally look askance on racial epithets.

00:05:44.980 You know, I try not to slur too much.

00:05:46.940 But if I'm going to do it, I'm not going to do it for free.

00:05:49.140 I mean, you know, we've got $3 million out there on the sidelines.

00:05:52.100 Let's bring it in.

00:05:53.460 Also, think about the excuse that we're hearing from the left and from Democrats,

00:05:58.000 and I guess from SPLC themselves, which is that they weren't, no, this was not them funding the organizations

00:06:04.680 in some sort of cynical attempt to prop up these organizations so they could fundraise off of them

00:06:09.180 and then also use them as a pretext to crack down on conservatives.

00:06:11.820 That's not what they were doing.

00:06:12.960 They were paying for informants, they claim, to go in and investigate these hate groups.

00:06:19.860 And even if we were to accept that excuse, which I don't because it's BS,

00:06:23.380 but even if we did, well, that just speaks to the degree to which these left-wing activist groups

00:06:30.780 essentially function as these quasi-government agencies.

00:06:33.920 Because even if they were doing that, well, you don't have the legal authority

00:06:37.540 to go out there and pay for informants to run these elaborate investigations of domestic terror

00:06:43.460 group. You're the SPLC. You're not the FBI. You're not actually a law enforcement agency.

00:06:48.980 So even if we accepted that excuse, it still speaks to the corruption that these kinds of,

00:06:55.080 we consider that we're under the tyranny of unelected bureaucrats and unelected judges,

00:07:00.040 and we are. We're also under the tyranny of unelected activist groups that have been empowered,

00:07:05.120 especially under the Biden administration, to act as though they are bureaucrats and law

00:07:10.080 enforcement agents. Well, speaking of the government. There are a couple of details

00:07:12.500 that sort of jumped out at me in the story that were pretty astonishing. One is that the SPLC

00:07:16.880 listed one of the people it was funding on its hate site. So it actually, so if that person was

00:07:23.200 supposed to be just an informant giving information, would you list that person on the hate site while

00:07:27.600 simultaneously funding the person? Because you're inherently lying either to the public or to your

00:07:31.600 donors or both. So that I thought was fairly astonishing. And then I also found it astonishing.

00:07:38.000 I looked it up or our producers looked it up for the show today. The New York Times quoted the SPLC

00:07:44.340 data about white supremacy in its articles about Unite the Right. So once again, it was the SPLC

00:07:52.100 that was helping to make the Unite the Right rally happen. One of the people at that rally,

00:07:56.620 one of the organizers for it was paid $270,000 and actually helped organize rides to the rally.

00:08:03.480 And then the SPLC was quoted by the New York Times about that rally, which is like, 0.83

00:08:07.920 wow, this is sophisticated CIA level crap here happening from the SPLC. So well done, I guess, 0.60

00:08:14.440 SPLC. And then again, the compliance of the legacy media and this whole narrative is the real untold

00:08:18.560 part of the story. Because without the legacy media basically laundering the SPLC as a legitimate

00:08:23.520 organization for decades, none of this ever would have been possible. So once again, thank you,

00:08:27.840 goes out to the New York Times. I also, I want to make a point to the people on the right who are

00:08:31.940 given to despair, which is the right, it's always the right. The right always, because we have this

00:08:37.340 tragic view of the terrestrial world and human society, we just all, we never want to take the

00:08:43.300 win and we're always kind of angry and I get it, especially right now. But three years ago,

00:08:49.120 The SPLC was working with the DOJ. The SPLC was telling the DOJ how to go out and spy on Catholic

00:08:59.760 churches, telling them to categorize Catholics as akin to domestic terrorists, was working with

00:09:06.420 the Biden administration very, very closely to identify enemies and go prosecute them.

00:09:11.840 Now, the DOJ is raiding the SPLC, is getting indictments from grand juries to prosecute the

00:09:18.060 SPLC. That is a complete 180. It's a massive win for justice. And it shows you that elections do

00:09:24.520 matter. And you don't always get exactly what you want. We got about 700,000 formal deportations

00:09:29.900 last year, depending on how you count the self-deportations, which I think are pretty

00:09:33.300 serious, up to a million or a little over a million. So, okay, call it two million. And then

00:09:37.720 you don't have the three million illegals coming into the country that you had under Biden. So

00:09:40.660 that's a net win of five million illegal aliens who aren't in the country now who would have been

00:09:44.780 otherwise. Do I wish it were 10? Do I wish it were 15? I do. Do I wish that we, the economy 0.77

00:09:49.380 were juicing even more than it is? Sure. Do I wish this, that and the other? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:09:53.100 I wish all of that. But guys, had Kamala won, the SPLC would be working with the DOJ right now

00:09:58.420 to go prosecute you and your friends and your leaders and everybody. And that's a big win.

00:10:03.400 And it means we got to keep winning elections. This is right. And by the way, I will say that

00:10:08.180 the immense horse's assery of our friend Tucker Carlson going out and saying that he has deep

00:10:14.740 regrets about it. And he apologizes to all the people he told to vote for Donald Trump. Well,

00:10:20.460 okay, well then the only other alternative in that election was Kamala Harris. So I would like

00:10:25.840 an explanation as to why Kamala Harris, even from Tucker's perspective, would have been better.

00:10:29.000 Because I think that would be kind of fascinating to find out, frankly.

00:10:31.560 And in fairness, the other alternative, which I don't agree with, but the other alternative people

00:10:36.440 say is there's a political quietism. So I'm going to sit it out. This is really no better than the

00:10:41.380 alternative. And I don't buy that. I don't buy that either. And I did that in 2016. Yeah, I did

00:10:48.280 that in 2016. So I understand the logic of that thing. But I also understand that Donald Trump

00:10:52.600 was a known quantity. And this idea that Donald Trump is doing wild out of the box things that

00:10:56.180 he has never said he was going to do before. And thus, you ought to feel betrayed by him doing

00:10:59.580 precisely the thing he said he was going to do for 50 years is totally crazy. It's totally crazy

00:11:05.220 and bespeaks a different motivation, in my opinion. Also, you have to explain why he's

00:11:09.580 also for Sharia law, as you know, is it just, it's just the Tucker, all these guys who are

00:11:14.060 depending on cliques, who are not speaking out of some principled core, they have to keep shocking

00:11:19.440 you. They have to keep throwing you a new thing. They have to be the only authority. So any other

00:11:23.640 authority, they have to devour him. And that's what Tucker is doing. Tucker is turning on himself.

00:11:27.460 I mean, the stuff that's coming out of Candace's mouth at this point, you watch her show, you just

00:11:31.900 expect two guys in white coats to come on and cast her away while she's talking, but they all have to

00:11:37.620 do this. They all have to just up the ante all the time until they're devouring the people that 0.86

00:11:42.360 were once praising. It's just the same system all the time. Yeah, I do. I do wonder like when,

00:11:47.300 because we love on the right, we're always like talking about the right because it's quite

00:11:52.020 interesting and it interests me much more than the left, which is hegemonic. But like you,

00:11:56.040 it's not to say that there aren't like legitimate and worrisome things on the right, but then you

00:12:01.100 do remember every once in a while you say, oh, wait a second. The, the left partners with groups

00:12:07.400 with the government to invade our churches and arrest us. Or, you know, the left runs as

00:12:11.760 moderates and then redistricts their state to disenfranchise virtually every Republican in the

00:12:17.040 state. And like, oh yeah, they're playing a different game than we are. They're spending

00:12:22.400 three million bucks to invent Nazis so that they can persecute your grandmother at the abortion 0.99

00:12:27.280 clinic who's just praying for the babies. Like they are playing such a different game than we 0.58

00:12:31.920 are. And I do hope that people get down to the brass tacks of like, hey guys, you can't just

00:12:36.980 sit out elections. Hey, guys, you can't endorse Democrats. Hey, guys, you can't let your feelings

00:12:41.880 of disappointment or whatever stop you from engaging in the real political structures

00:12:45.860 because the SPLC isn't just gonna go away. The Democrats are so on the move right now.

00:12:51.900 We'll get to what's going on in Virginia because that was a little bit of a black pill last night.

00:12:56.940 First, though, gentlemen, should we talk about something that really matters?

00:13:01.580 I'm talking about Sabrina Carpenter and Madonna. Should we have you guys? Do you know we have a

00:13:06.680 special guest. I'm very excited to bring on this guest, Emily Austin, an actress, a sports

00:13:11.380 broadcaster, Miss Universe judge, most importantly, host of The Emily Austin Show. Emily, welcome to

00:13:17.980 Friendly Fire. Hi, I was dying to jump into your last conversation to say one thing and one thing

00:13:24.160 only. Matt, I don't know what it was you mentioned, but have you guys seen, and I can't stand his

00:13:28.820 politics, that Seth Rogen movie where he's pretending he's a Nazi to go get information

00:13:33.340 from the nazis and they find out that he's an op and they throw him out the window did you ever

00:13:37.760 see that movie the schindler's list right was that no which one is that he's a political

00:13:45.540 consultant for somebody i think she's running for president but he was a journalist and he

00:13:49.240 went undercover and he put on a swastika tattoo but then they found out he's a jew from linkedin

00:13:54.300 anyway great movie and it actually reminds me exactly of what you guys were discussing or

00:13:58.980 Did you just make that movie up?

00:14:01.060 I feel like you invented that movie.

00:14:01.940 No, it's real.

00:14:04.000 Promise.

00:14:04.880 Is this what Mad Libs do?

00:14:06.320 Yeah, it was a movie starring Seth Rogen, where he's a...

00:14:09.060 And you know what, Matt? 0.88

00:14:10.180 That Nazi really reminded me of you. 0.53

00:14:11.980 It really reminded me.

00:14:12.980 I don't know what it was, but...

00:14:15.480 Except I'm unpaid.

00:14:16.520 I'm an unpaid one.

00:14:18.000 That's the problem.

00:14:19.040 At least get paid for it.

00:14:20.080 You're doing it for free. 0.96

00:14:21.000 It's silly.

00:14:22.340 So, Emily, what happened?

00:14:24.140 None of us watched Coachella, really.

00:14:25.600 I did see the one bit where I found out that Sabrina Carpenter hates Muslims, which I thought 1.00

00:14:32.020 that was pretty funny. I found that charming in a way. And then Madonna is about 362 years old, 1.00

00:14:39.200 but she's still kind of naked. What is the significance of all of this for a bunch of

00:14:44.660 old stodgy men? I'll update you. First of all, I'd like to say that none of this is new. I think 1.00

00:14:51.240 it's shocking at how the media has been covering it but like madonna being very slutty and making 0.99

00:14:56.520 out with men half her age and sexualizing everything religious that's that's you know 0.88

00:15:01.840 common things for to see with madonna but sabrina carpenter i've been following closely because

00:15:07.280 you know she's very outwardly liberal she's a she's trying to be like this woman of the people

00:15:12.960 and cultural but she you know was performing a quiet piano intro to one of her songs and in the

00:15:20.120 middle of this intro and I quote you hear the following you hear and everyone's like cheering

00:15:27.620 and Sabrina's like what is that and she screams it's my culture it's a cheer of celebration

00:15:34.740 Sabrina obviously didn't hear that and goes that's your culture I don't like it it's weird

00:15:41.020 and she is getting slammed by the left they're calling her Islamophobic they're calling her 0.98

00:15:46.560 racist. They're calling her anti-Arab. Now I'm against what I've learned is called the Zagruta

00:15:52.780 because usually when I hear in videos, it's accommodated by Jews being beheaded or babies

00:15:58.940 being kidnapped. But the reason I thought it was very inappropriate at Coachella is just because

00:16:03.700 it was quiet and somebody, whether it was clapping or screaming or Zagruta or yodeling, whatever it

00:16:10.600 was. It wasn't appropriate for that time. But I'd be lying to you if I told you that I don't enjoy

00:16:17.440 every lefty killing Sabrina Carpenter online. I'm living for it. I'm eating popcorn.

00:16:23.260 She's secretly right wing. I'm not joking. I'm not being cute. She's secretly right wing. I've 0.91

00:16:27.600 said this for like a year now. And she doesn't even know it. Exoterically and probably at a

00:16:33.700 conscious level, she is left wing. And she does stuff that's a little obscene or more than a 1.00

00:16:39.940 little sacrilegious. A little? No, she does that stuff. But I just mean at a deep level, 1.00

00:16:45.160 her pop music, one is musically a throwback to the 70s. It's not looking forward. It's not even

00:16:52.000 like the 20 teens. It's kind of got these funky little 70s cutesy beats. And then the way that

00:16:56.660 the sexes relate to each other in all of their songs, it's always this girl who wants not some 0.63

00:17:01.740 wimpy guy. She's not a lesbian. It's always her wanting some beefy real guy to engage in normal 0.66

00:17:09.440 relations, even if they're a little bit, you know, naughty between the sexes, she's got this deep 0.99

00:17:15.060 level of conservatism. And then here's the final proof. And I'm totally vindicated on this when

00:17:19.780 she's sitting there playing and there's this kind of foreign Muslim thing comes out. It's not that 0.99

00:17:25.340 she thought, okay, well, I'm going to tell people how much I don't like Islam. It just poured out 1.00

00:17:29.720 of her. It just, it was just like a reflex. The doctor hits your knee and your leg goes up. She

00:17:33.320 just because uh oh what's that that's your culture uh icky i hate that what about michael

00:17:40.440 maybe part of the three million went to her okay the uh i i confess i have not followed this

00:17:47.340 story and i only vaguely know who sabrina carpenter is but um i mean i know the name but

00:17:52.700 i assume i assume she was the younger one on screen there with with madonna what we didn't

00:17:59.100 We didn't get to the part of the story, I assume, where she issues a groveling apology.

00:18:04.560 That probably, that has happened, has it not?

00:18:07.360 I don't know, I haven't followed it since the, is she?

00:18:09.880 Okay.

00:18:11.180 That's the expert, okay?

00:18:13.100 As the pop culture expert, no.

00:18:14.800 She came out and she said, I apologize.

00:18:17.140 I didn't know what the zagruta, it's called, was.

00:18:20.160 I thought it was yodeling.

00:18:21.600 Going forward, I accept all cheers, zagrutas, and yodeling at my concerts.

00:18:26.040 With that being said, I'm officially starting a GoFundMe to sit row one at Sabrina Carpenter's concert.

00:18:32.400 And I am going to Zagruta as loud as I can.

00:18:36.200 And I dare her to make any comment towards my cheering during her silent piano intro.

00:18:42.720 No, but listen, even that, I know she made the grappling apology.

00:18:45.340 Even that, though, is kind of deeply based in a way in the sense that.

00:18:48.780 Oh, my God, Michael, Michael, Michael.

00:18:49.800 Let me just get this word out.

00:18:51.460 Let me just hold on.

00:18:52.960 The way that it's deeply based.

00:18:55.140 no I'm just

00:18:56.060 the way

00:18:56.540 because if she were

00:18:57.800 like no I actually 0.89

00:18:59.020 hate Islam 1.00

00:18:59.560 and let me tell you 1.00

00:19:00.140 about Sora 4

00:19:00.960 and this is why

00:19:01.660 I don't like what

00:19:02.420 Muhammad said

00:19:03.700 and Ali

00:19:04.200 and no

00:19:04.960 that's like too libcoated 0.99

00:19:06.360 she just wants to be

00:19:07.620 an entertainer

00:19:08.320 she wants to be pretty 1.00

00:19:09.380 dance around with guys

00:19:10.480 that's very conservative

00:19:11.280 Michael this is 0.96

00:19:12.560 this is your gayest take 0.96

00:19:13.980 you mean because

00:19:15.480 I was sort of

00:19:15.860 moving around like this

00:19:16.620 on the screen

00:19:16.980 I think yes

00:19:17.780 I mean I'm pretty certain

00:19:19.520 you could have watched

00:19:20.140 that entire segment

00:19:20.900 with the sound off

00:19:22.000 and just watched Knowles

00:19:23.140 and said that was

00:19:23.880 easily his gayest take the only thing i have to add to this conversation is that uh if i had said 1.00

00:19:30.860 what sabrina carpenter said i also would have been in in serious trouble mainly because my wife is of

00:19:36.220 moroccan israeli extraction and this also happened at at sephardic events uh at sephardic events

00:19:42.480 these are my kids do this my because they are they are half sephardic which means that they

00:19:47.040 are half moroccan israeli uh that means that they are like my very white looking children 0.71

00:19:51.200 they will drop that also that is the thing that has happened yes yes and so if i were to say i 0.91

00:19:57.080 don't like that culture i would have a real problem on my hands by the way i believe that

00:20:02.360 i believe that calci markets are already trying to analyze who will headline coachella in 2027

00:20:07.540 i believe uh and uh and i guess right now uh olivia rodrigo is is the favorite followed by

00:20:13.500 billy eilish and then bts which is what a korean boy band or something uh i don't know who any of

00:20:18.860 these people are billy eilish the new the new chick on youtube i think it's gonna be marfa

00:20:23.540 uh is billy eilish is the one billy eilish is the one who unless unlesbian correct yes is this

00:20:30.900 yes and seems significantly happier bieber the other day no that wasn't billy eilish that was

00:20:37.680 um i actually know this one no no that was uh wasn't it uh jojo siwa was the one that became

00:20:43.400 yes yes you're right you're right billy eilish billy eilish is i don't know why i know that

00:20:47.260 Good for you, Matt. 0.77

00:20:48.820 And Matt, let me just say, Matt, that was your gayest moment. 1.00

00:20:53.240 Congrats. 1.00

00:20:54.760 Well, I don't really know Sabrina Carpenter, but I know JoJo Siwa. 0.97

00:20:59.680 She's the base one.

00:21:00.660 Can I push back for a moment?

00:21:03.000 You can.

00:21:03.620 Good luck. 0.99

00:21:04.260 Good luck pushing back on the right-wingedness of Sabrina.

00:21:06.720 Oh, I'm pretty confident in this one.

00:21:08.240 Have you ever read Sabrina Carpenter's lyrics?

00:21:11.980 I've been presented with them on Music Monday a few times, yes.

00:21:15.560 Okay.

00:21:16.500 Yeah.

00:21:16.680 I need to come on your next Music Monday. I will read you the lyrics to Bed Camp,

00:21:21.140 which my mother, my sweet, dear mother, so innocently sings these words in the car

00:21:26.200 while my brother and I are nauseated in the backseat because she has no idea what she's singing.

00:21:31.040 And it is the farthest thing from being a conservative. And then lastly, I would love

00:21:35.500 to hear your thoughts about her music video, giving someone a BJ at church and how conservative

00:21:40.420 that was. Yeah, I heard. Look, I didn't watch that one. I heard that she did a thing in church.

00:21:44.840 I don't like that. That's bad. I didn't watch it. And then her new one where it's her,

00:21:49.000 it's basically like softcore porn with some TV ladies or something. And which I actually thought 0.94

00:21:54.400 relative to most media wasn't even that obscene. But then there was a little sacrilege where I

00:21:59.540 said, okay, we got to turn this off. So yeah, like I'm not, she's not, you know, having dinners

00:22:04.220 at the Intercollegiate Studies Institute. Like she doesn't wear tweed and bow ties. I agree with

00:22:07.660 that. I'm just saying that she is not an ideological leftist. She has this aversion to,

00:22:15.660 I mean, notably this aversion to Islam, though to Ben's point, she might also have an aversion to 0.67

00:22:20.000 Jews, which mostly codes leftist, but maybe right, I don't know. It's very confusing.

00:22:25.200 Wait, Michael, and then what about when you tweeted? Sorry, go ahead.

00:22:28.960 This is a shocking conversation. I have to say, I've never-

00:22:31.680 This is obscene, I agree.

00:22:33.940 Juliolate, I've never heard of that before. I've heard of juliolating,

00:22:36.540 but they're jululating. I had no idea that Jews jululated at all. That's the first thing.

00:22:43.720 Knowles has obviously got a thing for this woman, right?

00:22:45.980 I do not. No, we actually had a debate. No, we had a debate in this office with my team,

00:22:51.120 Professor Jacob in particular, who's a young Zoomer guy. He's not married yet. And there 0.99

00:22:56.020 was a kind of debate that came up in the chat over the attractive contest between Sabrina Carpenter

00:23:02.260 and Sidney Sweeney. And people concluded that- Oh my God, Sidney Sweeney bodies her. 1.00

00:23:07.900 Well, so, but here's the issue. Sabrina Carpenter- I'm with Emily, yeah. 0.93

00:23:11.200 Professor Jacob is of the opinion that Sabrina Carpenter is like the hottest,

00:23:15.140 hotter than a $2 pistol. But I said, she's very pretty and everything, but she's pretty in the 0.99

00:23:20.340 way that Dolly Parton is pretty. Namely, she's pretty in the way that homosexuals really like. 0.99

00:23:25.860 So I don't know what that says about my producer, Jacob. I don't, I'm putting that to the side. 1.00

00:23:29.700 What does it say about you, Michael?

00:23:31.160 No, but I know I'm defending her.

00:23:33.080 I'm not saying I want to marry her.

00:23:34.600 I'm not saying I want to go on the beach with her.

00:23:37.060 It's okay.

00:23:37.460 It's good enough for me.

00:23:38.160 Set that calendar back to days since Shapiro was right back to zero.

00:23:41.320 Just go right back.

00:23:42.500 Proving my point right now. 0.93

00:23:44.460 Out of your own mouth.

00:23:45.740 It's been said.

00:23:46.540 Can I ask a question?

00:23:47.780 So we did three minutes in SPLC, and now we're doing 45 minutes on Sabrina Carpenter.

00:23:54.280 The important story.

00:23:55.200 I have an issue with the programming of this show.

00:23:57.620 We're shallow, Matt.

00:23:58.760 What do you want? 0.96

00:23:59.300 What do you want from Russia?

00:23:59.980 Drew coined the term jululate. 1.00

00:24:01.820 That's a great pun.

00:24:03.240 That's a great pun.

00:24:05.360 Thank you, I appreciate it.

00:24:05.580 What do you want to talk about?

00:24:06.300 You want to talk about Virginia?

00:24:08.540 No.

00:24:09.560 I want to talk about Virginia.

00:24:10.480 Not really.

00:24:11.380 I want one more Sabrina point, and then you can kick me off the show.

00:24:14.480 Okay, all right.

00:24:14.820 Matt, you said you don't know her, but do you remember the incident?

00:24:17.640 Incident, it was so deliberate, where the White House used her videos for a deportation ad,

00:24:22.380 and it was a fire ad, and then Sabrina tweeted towards them, 1.00

00:24:25.800 don't use my music for your inhumane agenda.

00:24:28.540 and then the White House replied to her with another song 0.56

00:24:31.540 with another deportation video

00:24:33.000 and she lost her mind

00:24:34.760 I thought everyone saw that, it was so funny

00:24:37.140 I remember that as well

00:24:39.280 as I remember the Seth Rogen movie that you mentioned

00:24:41.420 before

00:24:41.880 Sabrina loved that though

00:24:45.020 she loved that in the way it's like White House 0.98

00:24:46.960 you better not, it's like when a girl

00:24:48.500 talks to her college boyfriend, she's like

00:24:50.820 you better not do that, it's like White House you better not

00:24:52.860 use my music, it's like we're using

00:24:54.400 your music, oh you're so bad 1.00

00:24:57.080 I hate you. 0.98

00:24:58.280 You know, kind of leaning in. 1.00

00:24:59.400 I hate you. 0.82

00:25:00.280 I love you. 0.88

00:25:01.160 But yeah, that's what it's...

00:25:02.240 Anyway, that's why she's the Republican.

00:25:03.420 This show is just disturbing.

00:25:04.060 I'm just disturbed to be here.

00:25:06.160 We're getting to full gnolls here.

00:25:07.480 The full gnolls.

00:25:08.300 No one needed the full gnolls.

00:25:09.620 And yet here we are.

00:25:10.060 This is the story I care about.

00:25:11.260 Never go full gnolls.

00:25:12.060 This is one of the really enemies, too.

00:25:14.040 All right, do you want what, Matt?

00:25:15.380 You want to talk about Virginia?

00:25:16.380 It's what you want.

00:25:16.700 You want to talk about boring...

00:25:17.800 No, actually, no.

00:25:19.060 Actually, I don't really want to...

00:25:20.460 I mean, that's just, like, depressing.

00:25:23.060 So I don't know what there is to say about it.

00:25:27.080 Farron, Emily, do you want to stick around for Virginia?

00:25:30.540 You want to get an Emily-shaped hole in the wall

00:25:32.440 running away from us?

00:25:33.980 Yeah, I'll do that.

00:25:35.220 You're out.

00:25:35.820 Emily, excellent to see you. 0.90

00:25:36.720 You should go follow Emily right now.

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00:27:22.240 no spaces so you don't miss a thing. Okay, are we gonna talk about depressing crap like Virginia 0.98

00:27:26.360 now? Is that where we're going? I guess we should. When you said that a guy did a show 0.98

00:27:29.980 being, which was just him being tortured for money, I assumed you were talking about Matt

00:27:33.880 on Friendly Fire. Or really, maybe multiple people on Friendly Fire. But this is torturous

00:27:40.020 because Democrats got absolutely, sorry, Republicans got absolutely wrecked last night

00:27:46.160 in Virginia. Virginia went 52-47 for Kamala over Trump in 2024. This referendum last night to so

00:27:53.760 called restore fairness in the districting was 51 to 49. I mean, it was almost perfectly evenly

00:28:00.880 split. And as a result, congressional representation is gonna go 91% to Democrats,

00:28:06.200 9% to Republicans. Obama's hailing this as a victory for democracy. They've just disenfranchised

00:28:12.160 F the voters in Virginia.

00:28:13.940 And I don't think anything's going to happen to fix it.

00:28:17.300 OK, so I have a heterodox take here.

00:28:19.680 OK, are you ready?

00:28:20.360 Because I have a feeling that we're all going to yell at the Democrats.

00:28:22.180 I'm going to talk about how unfair all of it is.

00:28:23.880 And obviously it is.

00:28:25.460 And they're terrible.

00:28:26.880 Also, this is how gerrymandering works.

00:28:28.780 Meaning that the party in charge typically tends to gerrymander.

00:28:32.540 And also, I'm just going to point out for the sake of intellectual honesty

00:28:35.740 that the Republicans started this.

00:28:37.680 OK, the Republicans did start this in Texas.

00:28:40.100 Gavin Newsom did try to retaliate in California.

00:28:42.600 The Republicans did not retaliate in Indiana,

00:28:44.440 but the Democrats did retaliate in Virginia.

00:28:46.640 Republicans will likely now retaliate in Florida.

00:28:49.740 And so this says to me two things.

00:28:51.240 One, we are going to increasingly polarize as a society

00:28:54.260 because there will no longer be such a thing

00:28:55.980 as a purple state, because in every purple state,

00:28:57.860 nine out of the 10 seats will go to whichever party

00:29:00.140 has the slight majority in the state legislature.

00:29:03.960 And two, this should be a lesson to Republicans

00:29:06.420 that Democrats should have learned a long time ago.

00:29:08.340 If you break the glass, the glass does not unbreak.

00:29:11.920 So Democrats learned this lesson when they smashed the judicial filibuster, and that

00:29:15.480 led to the appointment of three, count them, three Trump justices on the Supreme Court

00:29:19.520 of the United States.

00:29:20.480 And so I think Republicans might want to take like just a hot minute and think about all

00:29:24.140 of the calls right now to kill the Senate filibuster entirely as Democrats are about

00:29:27.500 to take the House and are aiming toward 28 and 30 toward taking the Senate and the presidency.

00:29:32.660 You know, I want to I'm going to say about what what Knowles was talking about before.

00:29:36.400 It really is true that we are no longer talking about a Democrat Party that is in any way connected to the founding of the country.

00:29:44.340 I mean, they really are hostile to everything this country stands for.

00:29:47.600 Most importantly, the idea that people should be free of individual liberty.

00:29:53.500 So it's very hard to imagine how the country comes back together again, except for the fact that I think even in the Democrat Party, these guys are the minority.

00:30:02.720 They're just the passionate minority. So they carry everybody along with them.

00:30:06.400 I mean, it was a pretty close vote in Virginia, but but still, it's just the hatred of Trump and the way that I that I feel about the Democrats.

00:30:15.740 And I have no way of reconciling myself to the people actually running the Democrat Party.

00:30:20.260 So the division here is really sharp and it's not it's not the old division where we talked as if the Democrats were communists, but they really weren't.

00:30:27.880 And the Democrats talked about us like we're fascists, but we really weren't.

00:30:30.620 This is like Republicans are still kind of noodling around somewhere right of center and the left has gone insane.

00:30:36.960 I mean, it's not this is not the Democrat Party that I remember at any point in my life up till now.

00:30:43.900 Yeah, I was going to say, Ben, I was actually I was agreeing with you up until the last like five words you said and what you said there.

00:30:50.460 So I kind of agree with the premise, but I come to the opposite conclusion, because I also have trouble complaining or getting angry at the Democrats or something like this.

00:31:02.420 When they have power, they're going to use it to advance their interests.

00:31:06.380 They're going to use it ruthlessly as part of the story with the SPLC also.

00:31:11.000 Now, that's totally corrupt and people should go to prison for it.

00:31:13.580 But the lesson is kind of Noel's point also earlier is that when they have power, they're going they're going to ruthlessly use it to advance their own agenda.

00:31:21.400 And if they're able to gerrymander, they're going to do it.

00:31:23.380 If they're able whatever they can do to advance their agenda, they're going to do it.

00:31:26.600 That's the lesson here. And for us to sort of impotently sit back and say, no, you you shouldn't.

00:31:31.540 That's not fair. It's it's totally pointless.

00:31:34.320 They're going to. Our message instead should be to the Republicans.

00:31:38.480 Hey, this is what the Democrats do when they have power.

00:31:41.580 You have power right now. 0.94

00:31:43.640 We still control Congress and the White House.

00:31:47.620 You have power right now.

00:31:48.900 So go and use our power to advance our agenda, which, like I said, leads me to the opposite

00:31:54.140 conclusion. 0.94

00:31:54.820 This is why I want to kill the filibuster.

00:31:56.140 I mean, the SAVE Act has not passed.

00:31:58.480 It's not going to pass.

00:32:00.020 This is one of the most important things we could do to protect our elections going forward.

00:32:04.760 And if we're not going to kill the filibuster and then we're told that, well, we can only

00:32:08.640 we can only advance our agenda if we have a filibuster-proof majority. That's never going

00:32:12.500 to happen ever. That's just not ever, ever going to happen. And so what that would mean is that

00:32:17.800 we're never actually going to advance our agenda in any serious way. I mean, we know the Democrats

00:32:22.280 already are going to do everything they possibly can when they have power to advance their agenda.

00:32:28.200 So they don't need the pretense or the excuse that we offer them by being aggressive ourselves.

00:32:34.900 They don't need that. They're going to do it. And so I think this is the situation we're in now,

00:32:39.480 is that when you're in power, you just do everything you can. You push the ball forward

00:32:44.200 as far as you can, as aggressively as you can, with the understanding that you better hold on

00:32:49.260 to power for as long as you can also, because the other side is going to get in there and they're

00:32:52.840 going to try to reverse a lot of that. But that's just, that's the situation we're in now. That's

00:32:56.520 the game now. And I think you got to just play the game aggressively within the confines of the law.

00:33:03.720 Well, this brings up a couple of questions for Ben, which is one, I mean, as you say,

00:33:08.220 the country is just getting more and more polarized. And so if the country is getting

00:33:12.000 more and more polarized, then I guess that means you're probably never getting a filibuster-proof

00:33:15.760 majority. If you're not going to get a filibuster-proof majority, then you're not going to

00:33:20.280 advance your agenda. Now, the upside of that is that your opponents are not going to advance

00:33:23.740 their agenda either. So are we just hoping for the status quo being preferable to these kind of

00:33:29.040 crazy swings election after election. That's one. And then two, when the Democrats do get

00:33:35.340 power in the Senate at some point, you know, hopefully not in this midterm, but at some point

00:33:40.480 they're going to have power in the Senate again, are they going to nuke the filibuster? And if

00:33:43.980 they're going to nuke it the next time they're in power, should we nuke it now or should we hope

00:33:48.240 that everybody cools their jets a little bit? Yeah. So, I mean, obviously I think that there's

00:33:53.000 a lot of merit to the counterargument to what I'm saying. I actually agree with many of the

00:33:56.720 things that Matt is saying. It's sort of a prudential, as you might say, Michael, call as

00:34:01.120 to what to do. I think that the problem is that once that glass is in fact broken, whether we

00:34:05.640 break it, whether the Democrats break it, once the glass is broken, I do believe at this point

00:34:09.940 that destroying the filibuster is basically the end of the country, because then the federal

00:34:14.480 government is just going to decide on a pure majoritarian basis to make extraordinarily wide

00:34:19.840 ranging moves, including things like stacking the Supreme Court. So all the checks and balances

00:34:23.900 will basically be broken.

00:34:25.420 If there's one vulnerable point

00:34:26.960 in the federal government

00:34:28.060 where if you just put your finger on it,

00:34:29.160 you shove,

00:34:29.740 the entire thing just collapses into dust

00:34:31.840 in terms of the checks and balances orders.

00:34:33.740 It right now is the filibuster.

00:34:35.240 Because again,

00:34:36.040 if somebody breaks the filibuster,

00:34:37.300 shoves a bunch of their friends

00:34:38.360 onto the Supreme Court,

00:34:39.160 they can do anything.

00:34:40.200 And there's no one there to stop them. 0.79

00:34:41.840 And if we turn into a pure majoritarian country

00:34:43.800 defeating all of the designs of the founders, 0.52

00:34:45.520 then it's basically it.

00:34:46.320 Now Matt's argument,

00:34:47.180 which is the preemptive argument,

00:34:48.180 which is like,

00:34:48.520 they're going to do it.

00:34:49.380 So we should do it first

00:34:50.280 because otherwise they're going to do it.

00:34:51.540 And we'll basically sat there

00:34:52.800 and what do we have?

00:34:53.300 our sort of moral suasion behind us.

00:34:55.580 I definitely hear that argument.

00:34:57.180 It's why, you know,

00:34:58.000 I thought an elegant solution

00:34:59.100 that was proposed by our friend Jeremy Boring

00:35:00.620 a while back,

00:35:01.380 which I actually passed on to Thune,

00:35:03.700 was that we ought to pursue

00:35:04.700 a constitutional amendment

00:35:05.680 to enshrine the filibuster permanently

00:35:07.180 in the Constitution.

00:35:08.760 And if Democrats won't go for it,

00:35:09.820 then you nuke the filibuster.

00:35:10.880 So you basically say,

00:35:11.960 listen, either we're all in this together

00:35:13.360 or none of us are in it together,

00:35:14.360 but we're not going to do this

00:35:15.240 on the basis of good faith.

00:35:16.120 I thought that was kind of an elegant solution.

00:35:17.740 But I will say that just on a pragmatic level,

00:35:20.240 the Republicans, number one,

00:35:21.120 do not have the votes

00:35:21.840 to destroy the filibuster right now.

00:35:23.920 Number two, if the Democrats do destroy the filibuster,

00:35:26.780 again, these things do have a way

00:35:28.180 of turning around and clocking them both ways.

00:35:30.420 So let's say that the Democrats destroy the filibuster

00:35:32.360 and let's say that the Democrats are capable

00:35:35.420 of shoving a couple more states into the Senate.

00:35:40.080 Now, I'm old enough to remember when Alaska was admitted,

00:35:43.520 well, I'm not quite that old,

00:35:44.540 but Alaska was admitted as a democratic state in the union

00:35:46.900 and Hawaii was admitted as a Republican state in the union.

00:35:49.080 And so everyone always thinks

00:35:50.280 that whatever is happening in this moment politically

00:35:52.980 in any of these given states

00:35:54.140 is sort of the final status of those given states.

00:35:56.500 I don't think that's the case.

00:35:57.600 And I do think that if you push too hard in one direction,

00:35:59.700 which is why I'm using the example of this redistricting,

00:36:02.260 if you push far enough in one direction,

00:36:04.380 people tend to snap back very, very far

00:36:07.020 in the other direction as well.

00:36:09.260 And so Abigail Spanberger is getting away with this right now,

00:36:11.400 but I'm not sure she's gonna get away with it for long.

00:36:13.020 I mean, her approval ratings are really, really bad

00:36:15.080 in Virginia.

00:36:16.500 And I agree with this.

00:36:17.640 i i think this is a third a third way here which is so uh antithetical to the way conservatives

00:36:24.260 think that i'm almost afraid to recommend it but you know we could have faith that the structures

00:36:29.920 of the country are still strong enough to take radicalism and just hurl it out by popular

00:36:35.300 appeal you know the the idea that at some point i mean i can see a future i've lost a lot of faith

00:36:42.200 in jd vance i just want to say that to see if noel's hair catches fire yeah i've lost a lot

00:36:46.240 of faith in J.D. Vance, but I gained a lot of faith in Marco Rubio. And I can see a future

00:36:50.600 in which a new party called the Republicans forms around Rubio that is incredibly attractive to

00:36:56.920 what I believe at this point is 60 to 70 percent of the country who are moderate. I mean, they're

00:37:01.560 moderately on the right, they're moderately on the left. I mean, Alan Dershowitz, of all people,

00:37:05.520 just announced that he is leaving the Democrat Party because of their hatred of Jews, which I 1.00

00:37:09.620 think he's right about. But I had Dershowitz on my show a while back and I said to him, has it ever 1.00

00:37:14.460 occurred to you that the hatred of Jews that's now endemic in the Democrat Party comes from

00:37:19.280 premises that also support other things that you like in the Democrat Party, like abortion and

00:37:24.240 other things like that? And he went, no, no, no, no, no, that can't be right. But it obviously is.

00:37:29.320 And at some point, I think people start to catch on to this. I think that there is a party that

00:37:33.540 Trump in some ways is creating as we speak, because Ben was right about Trump when he said

00:37:39.880 Trump's policies are actually kind of moderate. They're actually middle of the road. There's a

00:37:44.860 party that could form around Trump that would actually be a Trumpian party without the Trumpian

00:37:49.600 stuff that could attract a massive majority in the country. And if before that we destroy the

00:37:55.480 structures that are holding the country together, we may lose that moment. So I don't know. I'm

00:37:59.740 always, I always feel like patience is a virtue. Things turn around over time. And I do not believe

00:38:04.620 that the majority of this country is on the left. Matt, are you as chipper about it?

00:38:12.440 Of course, as always. That's what they call my middle name, chipper.

00:38:17.280 One other point I want to make, though, about the filibuster thing is when we say that,

00:38:20.760 well, you know, we keep the filibuster in place, that means that neither side can advance their

00:38:25.160 agenda. And yeah, if you had some kind of solution, like it's enshrined in the Constitution,

00:38:30.300 then that means that no one can advance it. It seems like a clever idea. But the problem

00:38:34.560 is that that's not exactly how it works because it's not a fair fight. It's stacked against us

00:38:40.840 because the left, even when they're not in power politically, they still own all of our

00:38:46.280 institutions. They still own, they still now, even in this, what's allegedly the golden age

00:38:51.860 and wokeness is dead, they still own academia and the public school system and the media and

00:38:57.180 Hollywood, the entertainment industry. I mean, all of it. And they still have things like SPLC

00:39:01.900 and dozens of others of these sort of, as I said, kind of quasi-governmental agency, NGO things

00:39:08.480 running. And so they still have all of that. And so even when they're not in political power,

00:39:13.200 they can still advance their agenda that way. Now, if we're on the right, I mean,

00:39:17.940 when we have political power, that's kind of all we got. Like this, you have the power that we

00:39:23.140 really don't have any power in any other institutions. So if you're not going to use

00:39:26.140 it here, you don't have it anywhere else. So that's just another reason for when you have

00:39:30.860 the opportunity, you advance the ball. And the last thing I'll say about that is, I'm not an

00:39:37.260 accelerationist, whatever that term means exactly. But if we ended up in a position where the

00:39:42.780 filibuster is gone, and then we have these wild swings one way and then the other, that's not

00:39:47.600 ideal. I don't want that. I'd like the wild swing to the right. I don't want the wild swing to the

00:39:52.300 left. And yeah, that could happen. But then the result you could hope for is that, okay, well,

00:39:59.500 if that happens and Democrats get in there and there's no filibuster and they can just and they

00:40:03.900 just impose their agenda on us with no pushback whatsoever. Well, now the country really sees

00:40:09.820 what that's like now, because now there is no moderating faction now. Now it's like we're all

00:40:14.860 going to live under this. And then maybe after that, you have a massive backlash against the

00:40:20.360 Democrat Party when everybody has to experience what that's actually like. And then they become

00:40:25.020 a permanent minority party. I'm not saying I necessarily would predict that, but that could

00:40:32.280 be a result of, that could be the next step after nuking the filibuster. Matt, I love that you open

00:40:39.240 that up. That's an extraordinarily high risk, high reward scenario. I think that typically

00:40:45.700 speaking, when Democrats gain unified control of government and use it to ratchet down whatever

00:40:50.260 they want, you end up with California or New York. And so I think that your first argument

00:40:54.180 is the better argument,

00:40:54.860 which is that they're going to use it anyway,

00:40:56.060 so you may as well use it.

00:40:56.920 I think that if we're going to get into the situation

00:40:58.640 where they control,

00:41:01.200 basically, it's no longer a matter

00:41:03.320 of preemptive pragmatism.

00:41:05.040 It's a matter of principle to nuke the filibuster.

00:41:07.840 Then I'm looking for a limiting principle.

00:41:09.420 I'm looking for like,

00:41:10.060 what should Republicans not do

00:41:11.560 if it means forwarding their objectives?

00:41:15.340 If the president just decides unilaterally

00:41:17.400 to ignore Congress and pretend it doesn't exist

00:41:19.600 and just starts using the military to enforce his will,

00:41:22.300 because obviously if Democrats gain control of the government,

00:41:25.220 they're going to be able to use not only the formal

00:41:27.080 but the informal institutions of power.

00:41:29.040 If the idea is that we're out of power,

00:41:30.320 even when we're in power,

00:41:31.680 then I don't know what the limiting principle is.

00:41:33.820 And then I think you're talking about legitimately

00:41:35.840 the end of the American experiment in total.

00:41:38.060 I just love the introduction that Matt made here.

00:41:41.120 Can I be optimistic for one more moment

00:41:42.780 and then I'll stop.

00:41:44.040 I'll go back to being a pessimist.

00:41:46.240 You know, one of the things about the left-owning institutions

00:41:49.560 is it didn't happen yesterday.

00:41:50.940 It didn't happen in a revolution.

00:41:52.000 It happened over slow time. I remember it happening. I didn't fully understand it when it started, but I saw it. I noticed it, that they were moving into Hollywood, that they were taking over all these places. We're doing that now. And the thing about conservatives is they have a tendency to panic because part of being a conservative is understanding that any thread that you pull can make the whole suit fall apart. And so conservatives do have this tendency toward pessimism and panic.

00:42:16.140 But if you act slowly and actually take things over slowly, there's a possibility that you can win back even the cultural institutions.

00:42:25.300 I mean, I'm seeing schools being built with classical education.

00:42:28.380 I'm seeing people starting to think like, hey, you know, I can make a movie in my home with a credit card and AI.

00:42:33.980 I'm starting to hear from artists who are doing their own thing.

00:42:36.760 And I think, again, this is an imaginary future, but I still think I can see a world in which the culture belongs to us because we actually are the majority.

00:42:46.700 I mean, The Daily Wire, I would say, is actually the majority.

00:42:49.040 If you took the four of us, you'd actually have something like 60 percent of the country on our side.

00:42:55.020 And I just think that there is a real possibility if we just trust in the institutions and keep them strong and fight to keep them strong, that they'll work for us over time because we're in the right and we're also in the majority.

00:43:08.280 Yeah, I'm not an accelerationist, to use Matt's point.

00:43:11.840 It's always great when you open up with, look, I'm not an accelerationist.

00:43:15.240 I just think that the internal contradictions of neoliberal capitalism will advance to the point that the entire society will collapse around us, and that'll be a good thing.

00:43:22.280 But I'm tempted by that, which is just burn it down, burn the universities down, burn it all down, man, and start anew.

00:43:30.500 Or even by this idea that since we're not getting everything that we want, we should just let the libs win and then living under Bernie Sanders for a few years, people are going to see how bad it is and they'll come to the light and then they'll vote for Republicans.

00:43:42.620 I don't think the law works that way, though.

00:43:44.680 I don't think politics works that way because I think politics and the law are teachers.

00:43:49.160 And so when the libs get power, when we get power, that builds on itself.

00:43:54.540 And there can come times when there are big swings, but it doesn't happen all that frequently.

00:43:59.680 Even you'll get one in Hungary right now.

00:44:01.680 It just happened.

00:44:02.540 You had Viktor Orban was in power for 16 years, and Brussels finally was able to boot him out of power.

00:44:07.120 But they didn't boot him out of power with a lib.

00:44:08.880 The only way that they could boot him out of power was by getting a guy who was ostensibly even more right-wing than Orban.

00:44:15.180 I don't think it's really going to play out that way, but at least that's how they ran it. 0.80

00:44:17.880 Orban had so succeeded at moving this post-communist country, previously dominated by the

00:44:24.360 Soviet Union, into the right that even the liberals had to play a different game.

00:44:29.700 And I think that's kind of where we are. 0.74

00:44:30.860 So I'm with you, Drew, on the institutional point, which is to Roger Scruton's idea that

00:44:36.640 it's much easier to destroy than to build, to Edmund Burke's idea that it's much easier

00:44:41.680 to destroy than to build.

00:44:42.700 I think there's a lot of good capital built up. 0.99

00:44:45.400 And if we can just go in, rip out the parasites that have, you know, worn these institutions like skin suits and, you know, turn them to our benefit, all the better. 0.97

00:44:57.220 But if we tear it down, I don't think people are sufficiently rational to just come to the conclusion that, oh, golly, we should have voted differently 10 years ago. 0.98

00:45:05.300 Yeah, I mean, actually, one of the things that—yeah, go ahead, Matt.

00:45:08.320 I just want to clarify one point. My argument for nuking the filibuster is not that it will

00:45:15.180 destroy everything and then it will accelerate the rebirth of the country. That's not my argument

00:45:19.380 for it. My argument for nuking the filibuster is that they're going to do it anyway. We've got to

00:45:23.100 advance the ball as much as we possibly can. That's my argument for it. My point is that if

00:45:26.660 the result is that when the Democrats get in power, that they're able to do all these terrible

00:45:30.860 things, then at least my hope at the other end of that is that maybe the result would be a backlash

00:45:36.560 against the Democrat Party.

00:45:37.780 That would just be my hope at that point.

00:45:39.520 That's not my argument for it,

00:45:41.440 just to clarify.

00:45:43.080 Yeah, for sure.

00:45:43.920 Well, I mean, one of the issues here,

00:45:45.300 obviously, is the continued legitimacy

00:45:46.720 of the Supreme Court,

00:45:47.540 which again, another institution

00:45:48.560 being undermined.

00:45:49.480 So our sponsors over at Calci

00:45:51.000 are taking a look on when

00:45:52.560 there's a big Voting Rights Act opinion

00:45:54.520 that's supposed to come down

00:45:55.320 from the Supreme Court. 0.61

00:45:57.260 And there's a Calci market

00:45:58.660 for pretty much everything,

00:45:59.800 including when that is supposed to happen.

00:46:03.360 And I believe it looks like

00:46:05.160 a heavy favoring of the idea that it's going to come down before January, but not before

00:46:09.440 May.

00:46:09.680 It won't be in the next term.

00:46:10.520 So that is what Calci has to say about that.

00:46:13.500 The one thing that I would add with regard to all of this is that I actually am with

00:46:18.840 Drew in the sense that I'm actually weirdly more hopeful about the possibility of retaking

00:46:24.820 some of these institutions than I was a few years ago.

00:46:27.140 The number of people that I hear from in Hollywood, just to take the most obvious example of

00:46:32.560 left-wing preserve for the past, my entire life. The number of people who I hear from in Hollywood

00:46:38.540 who are legitimately like big names, but who are, but who have awoken to the fact that Hollywood

00:46:43.660 has lost its mind, I mean, truly well and good lost its mind is, is pretty extraordinary. And I

00:46:49.280 think that, you know, there are moves that are being made in these arenas that are opening

00:46:53.680 apertures that did not exist before. And it's not just, you know, random creators in their bedroom

00:46:57.840 making AI videos. It's people who are, who are actually making films and who are finding new

00:47:02.380 methods of distribution it's the fact that paramount plus might be a warmer place in the

00:47:06.160 in the very near future for creators who are not wrote down the line left-wingers it's the fact

00:47:11.960 that there there is appetite at some of these other outlets for content that is not just kind

00:47:17.420 of real left-wing trash and so i i see movement in that arena i see movement obviously in the

00:47:22.460 media sphere where daily wire is active but we're not the only ones i see movement even in the 0.92

00:47:26.300 educational sphere mainly because there i do believe that the entire system is going to crumble

00:47:29.580 from within, just because the cost structure is so out of whack with the benefit structure

00:47:34.460 for the universities that it can't continue this way. And so I'm actually more, in some ways,

00:47:39.440 I'm more hopeful about the future of a conservative, you know, institutionally

00:47:42.980 based grassroots move than I even am about the continuation of political power.

00:47:48.960 That's hopeful. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. That's too hopeful. I don't like that one little bit.

00:47:53.980 Is there anything to be worried about? Is there anything we should be sad or worried about,

00:47:57.960 or can we go home?

00:47:58.600 Yeah, we should be worried

00:48:00.520 about your love 0.66

00:48:01.140 for Sabrina Carpenter.

00:48:02.200 Yeah, no, well,

00:48:02.940 they dare not speak its name.

00:48:04.720 I know, I know.

00:48:05.520 That's really,

00:48:06.660 it's like love is love.

00:48:07.760 That's what I was told.

00:48:08.600 Actually, you know,

00:48:09.400 that is kind of the point

00:48:10.340 we were talking about

00:48:11.000 a little earlier

00:48:11.560 on how the,

00:48:13.440 and I guess ties it all together

00:48:14.820 in a little bit of a bow, 0.72

00:48:15.820 but the libs have 0.97

00:48:16.840 these massive institutions,

00:48:18.000 something like SPLC,

00:48:19.260 almost a billion dollars.

00:48:20.660 And when they achieve

00:48:22.600 their objective,

00:48:23.600 then they can either go away

00:48:25.200 or they can invent

00:48:26.500 new problems to go solve. 0.96

00:48:27.520 This is exactly what happened 10 years ago with the gay marriage movement. 0.97

00:48:32.160 You had that group, the Human Rights Campaign, the most euphemistically named trash organization in the history of American politics. 0.97

00:48:39.200 And their entire goal was to redefine marriage to include two men and two women. 0.70

00:48:45.420 So they do it.

00:48:47.020 They succeed.

00:48:47.660 They get Obergefell from the Supreme Court.

00:48:49.440 And they had a choice the next day, which was either close up shop.

00:48:52.000 Good job, lads.

00:48:52.780 We did it.

00:48:53.280 Isn't that great?

00:48:54.040 Okay, see you next year.

00:48:55.680 Or they could make a new problem. 0.98

00:48:57.520 And they almost single-handedly invented transgenderism as a national political issue, in no small part, to keep the gravy train coming. 0.98

00:49:06.720 But Obergefell, I thought Obergefell, the moment it happened, that this is a disaster for gay people. 0.91

00:49:12.120 Because once you call it a constitutional right, you unleash queer theory. 0.95

00:49:19.460 You know, and at the at the core of gay activism is some deeply perverse and evil stuff that we saw filtering into our elementary schools with the porn that they were putting on that they would defend to the death until you read it out loud. 0.94

00:49:31.320 And then they have to silence you because it was so horrific that that is that core of activism. 0.98

00:49:35.920 I mean, look, a gay person can be a lovely person, but the gay movement is inherently bent, you know, and it's going to be it's bad for the country on the big scale. 0.97

00:49:46.140 Well, no, this is the argument that nobody will have because the news has become so feminized. 1.00

00:49:51.320 That's kind of unfair, but it's kind of true. 1.00

00:49:53.840 This idea that, like, you know, I call it teardrop news, that if you can show somebody crying, that he must be in the right.

00:49:59.040 So you just have to choose who you see crying.

00:50:00.920 But there's a difference between persons and ideas, right?

00:50:03.860 There's a difference between saying a Muslim person is a lovely person and is Islam something that fits in with Western thought?

00:50:10.380 You know, those are two totally separate questions. 0.54

00:50:12.480 And I think that when you make something a right that is not a right, like abortion or like gay marriage, you're actually setting it up.

00:50:19.420 It may take a generation to explode, but you're actually setting it up for a fall. 0.99

00:50:23.980 Yeah, that's a great point. 1.00

00:50:25.000 Cole Porter is great, but, you know, the LGBT person is bad. 1.00

00:50:28.260 Yeah, right, exactly. 1.00

00:50:29.140 No, if Noel Coward is not in heaven, it won't be heaven, but like still.

00:50:33.280 Well, yes. 0.94

00:50:34.060 I mean, speaking of heaven, you're going to die.

00:50:37.440 And because you're going to die, that means you need a life insurance policy.

00:50:42.440 No, no, not right now, Drew.

00:50:43.360 Not right now.

00:50:43.860 I think you can maybe last a few more hours.

00:50:45.920 You scared the hell out of me.

00:50:46.720 I'm sorry.

00:50:47.540 Well, I mean, it wasn't a diagnosis, Drew.

00:50:50.680 It was an ad read.

00:50:51.640 Come on, dude.

00:50:52.580 Stick and move with me here.

00:50:53.700 There's a prediction.

00:50:54.240 Okay, we're talking about life insurance.

00:50:56.500 Sorry, sorry.

00:50:57.380 No, no.

00:50:58.100 No, guys, come on.

00:50:59.540 It's a life insurance ad.

00:51:00.620 Come on.

00:51:00.880 You didn't see that coming?

00:51:01.640 Okay.

00:51:02.320 Stick with me.

00:51:03.360 Okay, so for all the stuff that we remember,

00:51:06.380 we often forget something that's pretty important.

00:51:08.320 What happens to your family financially

00:51:09.720 if something happens to you or more likely happens to Drew.

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00:51:37.380 So, listen, I have life insurance, which gives my wife peace of mind and means, you know, God forbid something happens to me that she's taken care of.

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00:52:22.200 There's one question before I let you guys go. There's one question I want to know

00:52:25.220 that's actually practical that doesn't have to do with Sabrina Carpenter. And it's about the

00:52:29.040 Virginia redistricting. So I've heard two theories on how we could get out of it.

00:52:35.040 One is that the Virginia Supreme Court could rule that this is unacceptable.

00:52:40.300 And then the other one is that the federal government could reclaim Arlington and Alexandria

00:52:46.160 as a way to just pummel the Democrats in Virginia.

00:52:49.800 What is the Calci prediction market odds that either of these things will happen?

00:52:55.740 That General Trump leads an insurrection into Arlington and just takes it forcibly

00:53:00.020 and reunites it with its sister city over in Washington, D.C.

00:53:03.900 Yes, yes.

00:53:04.960 Right, and Muriel Bowser is now the mayor of both places.

00:53:07.520 And it's, yeah, it sounds great.

00:53:09.440 There's nothing I'm sure that the people of Virginia

00:53:10.820 would like better than to be reunited

00:53:12.160 with Washington, D.C.,

00:53:13.280 the best governed area of the United States.

00:53:16.220 I'm sure it'll go great.

00:53:17.880 Yep, yep.

00:53:19.480 What about the court?

00:53:20.460 The court, no chance?

00:53:21.340 No, no, no.

00:53:22.200 Not the Virginia court, no.

00:53:23.900 Yeah.

00:53:24.460 No, no, no way.

00:53:26.060 Well, on that happy note,

00:53:27.280 hey, Matt, you got an episode of this show, right?

00:53:29.160 You're still doing the history show.

00:53:30.580 And so we can at least look back

00:53:31.920 to all the happy moments in our past, even if we don't have many of them in the future.

00:53:36.360 A reminder, folks, your membership allows us to make things like Real History with Matt Walsh,

00:53:41.620 allows us to put on this very important presentation for you called Friendly Fire.

00:53:46.100 It allows us to report the stories that others will not say, what others will not,

00:53:50.980 bring you breaking news, uncensored live shows, member live chat, investigative reporting,

00:53:56.160 and unlimited access to everything Daily Wire. We need you as well as funding from the SPLC.

00:54:01.000 When we get both of those, then we're really cooking with fire.

00:54:04.200 Join now at dailywire.com slash subscribe.

00:54:07.960 While I'm promoing things, Matt, a vaunted profilee on SPLC's Hate Watch,

00:54:15.880 you have this series on real history that has done very, very well for some reason.

00:54:20.800 I can't, I'm still trying to figure out on the back end.

00:54:23.060 What are you talking about in the latest episode?

00:54:25.080 it? Well, yeah, it's been, it's done really well. And we've, we're, we're thrilled by that. I mean,

00:54:31.880 when you can actually make, I mean, these episodes are hour long, you know, history lectures,

00:54:37.420 basically that we do a great job in the editing or I don't do anything with the editing, but the

00:54:40.920 editors do a great job with it. So it looks great. But at the end of the day, that's what it is. And

00:54:44.520 people are responding really well to it. So I think that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a white 1.00

00:54:49.060 pill a little bit for the future. Yeah. People are interested in content like this. And I,

00:54:54.300 It's always a white people when people are consuming my content. 0.98

00:54:56.640 So that's the one hope I find in the future of the country. 0.99

00:55:01.620 Yeah, so the most recent episode we have up right now on Daily Wire is about the Civil War.

00:55:06.700 So that's, we did slavery, we did the history of the American Indians, and now we've moved on to the Civil War.

00:55:15.220 and, you know, this is another one where it's, we're not giving you like a cartoonish reimagining

00:55:23.080 sort of right-wing perspective on the Civil War where we take all the exaggerations the left makes

00:55:27.760 and just applies them to the other side. We're not doing that. It's actually an objective kind of

00:55:32.560 examination and discussion of the war. I think it's really interesting and a lot of facts in there

00:55:36.680 that, you know, if you went to public school, you probably didn't hear. So you should subscribe and

00:55:41.200 watch. One last thing, you know, in honor of the SPLC funding racism, can we just, before we go,

00:55:46.220 just go around the horn, everyone say their favorite racial slur. I'll start. My favorite

00:55:53.440 one, I learned this like 15 years ago, square headed shiptar, a square headed shiptar. I learned 0.93

00:56:00.640 this somewhere on the internet. It refers to Albanians apparently. And when you think about

00:56:04.920 it, Albanians do kind of have square heads and shiptar is the word in the Albanian language

00:56:10.100 that just means Albanian.

00:56:12.300 So anyway, I've been sitting on that one

00:56:13.800 for like 20 years now,

00:56:15.060 and I'm really excited that I get to use it.

00:56:17.180 I hope my check comes in from the SPLC any minute now.

00:56:20.120 Does anybody else have any other slurs

00:56:23.120 you want to share, epithets of any sort

00:56:24.680 that you want to share? 1.00

00:56:25.960 Gormless poltroon,

00:56:27.140 but I'm not going to tell you which race it's against. 1.00

00:56:30.860 All right, all you gormless poltroons. 1.00

00:56:32.800 Wonderful to see all of you here on Friendly Fire. 1.00

00:56:35.340 We'll see you all next week or in two weeks

00:56:38.880 or I don't know, whatever, on the next one.

00:56:40.220 See you then.

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