How To Debate： Me vs. 25 LGBTQ Activists REACTION
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In this episode of the Surrounded podcast, I sit down with comedian and podcaster Michael Bloomberg to discuss his experience as a debate guest on CNN's "The Situation Room" and discuss the differences between moderated and unmoderated debates.
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My point is fascism as a whole really loves to hone in on small portions of society.
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And right now, I'm sorry, I'm going to outright call you a fascist.
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What's it like to be surrounded by more than 20 people who want to rip you to shreds and devour your body?
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Well, I just found out when I flew to Los Angeles to appear on the Surrounded podcast.
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I don't understand the fascination with trans bodies and what's happening in the bathroom.
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The Surrounded debate was a little bit different than some of the others.
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For instance, when I'm having an unmoderated one-on-one debate, that's going to give me a different style of preparation.
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What you want to do is give your opponent enough rhetorical robe that he or she can hang him or herself with it.
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As happened with Bronte on the subject of gender identity.
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The percentage of women who get abortions because the baby poses a direct threat to their lives, it's a very small number.
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By direct threat to their lives, you mean they're going to lose their life?
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Okay, well, Michael, do you know what the leading cause of death for pregnant people is?
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So this was a great moment because we weren't even really debating trans identity or whatever.
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But she kept speaking and she got tripped up in this hobby horse of pregnant people.
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So in those kind of debates, you just kind of let them keep talking.
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Or maybe you gently pull them in to destroying themselves.
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That's very different than when you have a moderated debate.
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Are people who are marching shouting Jews will not replace them?
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I don't need to answer a question because I'm not on the stage.
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People who don't like Jews, people who are Nazis are bad people, play.
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So there, the way to win one of those debates is you have to be prepared to debate the moderator
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And in a live debate setting like that, you need to win over the audience.
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What's a little bit strange about the surrounded debate format is there's not really a live
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There are just so many debate opponents that they themselves kind of constitute an audience.
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The clock is running down and all of the other participants are ready to vote out the other
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So it off-foots you from all these other kinds of strategies.
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Now, compare that to going on a cable news talk show or something like that.
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The cable news talk shows exist for people to speak over each other.
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Unfortunately, I don't like it, but that's just how the medium is built.
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You have to do that if you're going to participate in them.
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And so you have to get your points in in a more concise way.
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If there are multiple people in a debate panel, then you're going to form coalitions.
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And you really don't want to find yourself being the one surrounded by the people who
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are attacking you on cable news, especially if you don't know what you're talking about,
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as unfortunately happened to someone that I was recently chatting with on Piers Morgan's show.
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Are you really are you really saying that the reason the crusade, which was sent to the
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The crusade began because the eastern emperor asked for help from the western pope because
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the Seljuk Turks were slaughtering Christians in the Holy Land because those lands were Christian
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before the Muslims invaded in the seventh century.
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So that's why those lands became those lands became Christian after the first crusade.
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The lands were Christian in the first and second centuries.
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Listen, listen, I can go all day if you want to talk about the crusades.
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So in a cable news type hit, because it's all just a bunch of talking heads, facial expressions
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The moment you get a little agitated, especially when the camera is so close up on you, you
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start to look like you're unraveling, as perhaps you saw happening with my interlocutor there.
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And then if they start to say things that aren't true on a subject that you maybe know something
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about and they don't know anything about, then it looks absolutely devastating.
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You need to make sure that whatever point they raise, you just smack it down in a way that
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That medium is unlike the Surrounded podcast, which is 20 minutes for every single topic.
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That medium is one to two minutes max for the viral exchange that goes around the media.
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I have over 20 people who want to rip me apart, sitting all around me, ready to jump in, fighting
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for the opportunity, time limited, to destroy my views with facts and logic.
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So what about the right of a kid to have his natural mother and father?
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Because when the rubber meets the road in gay marriage, it's not just two people living
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It's not two people doing those things you guys do that you could always do that.
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It's the ability to adopt children and in some cases acquire children by going to the
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baby store and purchasing the eggs of one woman, renting the womb of another woman, and
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raising children, depriving them intentionally of their natural mothers.
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And all the scientific literature, by the way, backs that up.
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Let's let them fact check that on the video and progress with the conversation.
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The study that you're referring to is the Michael Rosenfeld study out of Stanford in 2010.
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And it said that kids raised in gay households did just as well in school as the other kids.
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And it's been corrected by multiple other stuff.
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I would love to engage with you on that in a sec.
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The majority of people in society are okay with these things.
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And society's laws should reflect what the majority of people are okay with.
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The majority of people were okay with slavery for much of the 19th century.
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Gay marriage, gay adoption, things like that are not bad.
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I'm not even knocking the guys who want to do it.
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I understand there's a natural longing to have kids.
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So you can tell he implicitly concedes the debate when he shifts the ground of it.
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It is not backed up by the scientific literature that it's bad for kids to be raised in same-sex
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He ends up cutting me off so we couldn't really talk about many of the studies.
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And so he shifts it from, all right, let's see.
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Is there any rigorous scientific study that's actually looked into this?
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Maybe Knowles here actually does have some studies.
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But of course, you know, 50 million Frenchmen can be wrong, which is the point that I made
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People popularly have held views that have been quite wrong for history, and we've corrected
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But there are other studies, perhaps the most prominent of which came in 2012, which examined
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kids raised in same-sex households and normal family households on 80 different measures
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of emotional and social well-being, whether they're going to end up on welfare, whether
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they're going to end up hooked on drugs, whether they're going to end up with anxiety and depression
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And it found out that on 77 out of 80 measures, the kids raised in the normal households fared
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better than the kids who were raised in same-sex households.
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Even Jubilee tried to do a fact check on this to back up their point, but it's totally indefensible.
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I'm a grown man, I'm not going to eat this full New York strip steak?
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I cut the steak in half, even though I want to eat this entire delicious New York strip
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A key skill that you need to develop for any kind of debate is your BS detector.
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You need to be able to identify when someone is saying something that he knows nothing
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Going back to specifically same-sex marriage, you said you argued from an anthropology.
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Yeah, men and women are different, and marriage involves one of each.
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Because we have so many cultures that have communal relationships in which people are
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When you said in the act of procreation, have you ever heard of it takes a village to raise
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That actually happens literally in specific cultures.
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No, no, no, but when I say procreation, that's the act of creating the child, and usually there
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Yeah, but even those people that do create the child oftentimes were referred to as different
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genders depending on the culture that it is that you're observing.
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We could talk about certain Amazonian cultures.
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I recognize that they're not Western cultures, so you might not prioritize them, but that
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doesn't mean that they don't exist, unfortunately.
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Gender is something that's specifically a social characteristic that we're all performing
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What did the Mayans think about marriage and gender?
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Michael's trying to hone me down on trivia night right now.
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Right now, what we're trying to talk about specifically are examples of what's happening.
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I'm asking you to explain the point that you brought up.
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And so he's not the only guy who's fallen into this error.
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But a lot of people in modernity, they think, well, no, surely there must have been a
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billion different views, you know, of marriage because people deny the natural law.
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So they just think, well, it just stands to reason that all these different cultures in
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Because the natural law is real and human nature is real and it doesn't really change.
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So when he says, well, the Mayans, I think, look at this guy, this guy doesn't know anything
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And then he does this tap dance for three minutes because he can't answer the question.
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I enjoy engaging in all of these kinds of debates because I like ideas.
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I endeavor to seek the truth and I like to persuade people of the truth as I see it.
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I love this and I'm just irritated that we didn't think of this first and do this show
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Some of the interlocutors are a little more serious than others.
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But I really liked chatting with all of them and they have a great deal of my sympathy.
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The way that they usually dishonestly present my views is that I hate them or that I want
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to kill them or something like that, which I don't.
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They say, oh, well, we don't want people to die.
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But they know damn well that the suicide rates skyrocket the second you remove access to
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That was one of the most horrific experiences I've ever had talking to another human being.
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I'm very glad I did it and I'm never doing it again.
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I've talked to a lot of conservative figures and he is the worst at having some sort of cohesive
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All he tries to do is push people's buttons to get these emotional responses that then he can
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I was all pretty funny and I suppose to be expected that they would call me Hitler or
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The one part that I disagree with is with the guy with the beard, Mason, who says, look,
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I've talked to these other conservatives and all the other conservatives are all above
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board, but that Knowles, you know, that Knowles, he's just bomb throwing and he's not really
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He's just trying to be provocative and get an emotional response.
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I think I would probably have higher ratings if that is what I did, but I don't.
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If anything, I think my presentation here was a little bit dry and friendly and conciliatory.
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I'm just stating my views, which are views that most people agreed with until very recently.
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Views like marriage is between a man and a woman.
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I even granted the premise that there's a distinction between biological sex and gender
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As far as I know, I'm the only conservative who grants that publicly.
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Frankly, maybe the fact that I'm friendly about it is more irritating to them.
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If they just have to contend with the ideas themselves, it leaves them more vulnerable,
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