The Michael Knowles Show - ＂I Would Hit Myself In The Face With A Hammer＂ Michael & The Looksmaxxer ｜ Clavicular

00:00:00.000 Look smaxing is the furthest extent that you could take self-improvement.

00:00:08.000 This principle follows Wolf's law that a bone is going to grow back stronger. 0.99

00:00:11.500 You would hit yourself in the head with a hammer.

00:00:13.500 Yeah, bone smashing is legit. 0.97

00:00:14.500 But there are different ways you can improve yourself.

00:00:16.500 Right, but what's going to actually get you further in life?

00:00:18.500 What is looking better for?

00:00:20.500 I am someone who just wants to mog, essentially.

00:00:24.000 I'm getting a double jaw surgery a couple of weeks from now.

00:00:29.000 So that's probably the furthest it goes.

00:00:32.500 You do meth.

00:00:33.500 Maybe I traded like some neurotoxicity for temporary leanness to ascend really quickly.

00:00:51.500 On Michaeland, I've had the privilege of sitting down with people from a wide variety of backgrounds.

00:00:56.500 Priests, exorcists, scientists, refugees. 1.00

00:01:02.000 Never before, though, have I sat down with a looks maxed meth head livestream cell.

00:01:08.000 And I have that distinct privilege today with my new friend, Clavicular.

00:01:12.000 How's it going?

00:01:13.000 Mr. Ickular, it's wonderful to have you on the show.

00:01:15.000 Thank you so much for having me, Michael.

00:01:17.000 There is so much I want to get into with you.

00:01:19.000 Okay.

00:01:20.000 Even all those parts of your title.

00:01:24.500 But I want to start with the most obvious, the most apparent to most people,

00:01:27.500 which is that you're a good-looking guy.

00:01:30.500 I don't think that makes me gay to say you're a good-looking guy.

00:01:33.500 You have intentionally become a good-looking guy.

00:01:36.500 You have looks maxed.

00:01:37.500 Right.

00:01:38.500 What is looks maxing?

00:01:39.500 Looks maxing is the furthest extent that you could take self-improvement, right?

00:01:45.000 So we've seen a lot of different forms of that over the years, mostly with bodybuilding.

00:01:50.500 I would say it was the main one for a while for men from about 2010 up until 2020.

00:01:57.500 And then it sort of shifted into looks maxing.

00:01:59.500 That kind of crept into the space from different niche forums, especially those of PSL, which

00:02:06.500 was just three-

00:02:07.500 Pumpkin spice latte, obviously.

00:02:08.500 No.

00:02:09.500 Just three looks maxing forums.

00:02:11.500 So that influence kind of crept in.

00:02:13.500 And it's very obvious that, you know, the face is more important than the physique.

00:02:18.000 So people were doing the self-improvement, and it wasn't really getting them the results

00:02:22.000 that they needed.

00:02:23.000 So that's why the further step needed to be taken to sort of go about improving upon your

00:02:28.500 entire life.

00:02:30.000 So there are all these bodybuilding forums, and you say, well, what about this phrase,

00:02:35.000 the butter face? 0.83

00:02:36.000 You know, but you hear about the butt. 0.92

00:02:37.000 You never hear about butter body. 0.51

00:02:39.000 So you draw the conclusion from that that, hey, you guys are all working out to build up your

00:02:43.000 bodies, but the face is more important to physical attractiveness.

00:02:46.500 Absolutely.

00:02:47.500 So that's what distinguishes just working out and hitting the gym and bodybuilding from

00:02:52.500 looks maxing.

00:02:53.500 It's just adding an extra layer, right?

00:02:55.500 I'm someone who hugely advocates for still going to the gym, even though I might have been

00:03:00.500 taking a little bit of time off recently.

00:03:01.500 I've taken about a decade or so off.

00:03:03.500 Yeah, so no worries.

00:03:04.500 We're on the same page there.

00:03:05.500 But I'm just adding that extra layer, that extra piece of key nuance that I feel like

00:03:10.500 has been out of the equation for the longest time, especially in a lot of the manosphere

00:03:15.500 discussion.

00:03:16.500 Looks hasn't really been mentioned, and it just seems kind of silly to me.

00:03:21.500 Can I ask how old you are?

00:03:23.000 19.

00:03:24.000 You're 19.

00:03:25.000 Correct.

00:03:26.000 So you're very young.

00:03:27.000 Yep.

00:03:28.000 And you're talking about this development of the looks maxing, self-improvement world.

00:03:33.500 Mm-hmm.

00:03:34.500 When did you get into this?

00:03:35.500 When I was 14 years old, you know, I was someone who was on these bodybuilding forums.

00:03:41.500 I started taking exogenous hormones, testosterone, when I was 14.

00:03:47.500 And then it became more of a shift from bodybuilding-oriented stuff, like we talked about before, to this

00:03:53.500 happened to a lot of people, into more looks maxing stuff over the years.

00:03:56.500 You're 14.

00:03:58.500 You're going through puberty.

00:03:59.500 Yeah.

00:04:00.500 You're getting a nice injection of testosterone the old-fashioned way.

00:04:03.000 Mm-hmm.

00:04:04.000 Why did you do that?

00:04:06.000 For facial masculinization, just optimizing all of my growth pathways so that I could have

00:04:13.000 like a super physiological puberty, right?

00:04:16.000 So, you know, you could do a lot with pharmaceutical intervention.

00:04:19.000 So taking those steps at an early age is kind of like it's a now or never mentality, right?

00:04:25.000 So once your growth plates close, there's nothing you could do.

00:04:28.500 What's so fascinating about that answer is that's like the right-wing version of the transgender 1.00

00:04:34.500 argument.

00:04:35.500 Mm-hmm.

00:04:36.500 The pro-trans people are always saying, I got to take the cross-sex hormones when I'm 13 or

00:04:40.000 14 because if I wait until I'm 18 or 20, it'll be all closed off and I'll never look like

00:04:45.500 the opposite sex. 0.71

00:04:46.500 And what you're saying is, well, I had to take all these exogenous hormones when I was 14 so

00:04:52.000 that I could look like the most gigachad version of my own sex.

00:04:55.000 Right. 0.99

00:04:56.000 Yeah, no, of course.

00:04:57.000 So it's the exact opposite.

00:04:58.500 And you'll hear a lot of criticism for like the stuff that I talk about from the left,

00:05:03.000 which is quite ironic.

00:05:04.000 So I'm glad you brought that up.

00:05:06.000 So what does it mean?

00:05:07.000 So you start taking testosterone.

00:05:09.000 Right.

00:05:10.000 Okay.

00:05:11.000 Before we get into what your parents said about this, what your doctors said or didn't say

00:05:14.000 about this, you're a 14-year-old kid.

00:05:17.000 Mm-hmm.

00:05:18.000 Mm-hmm.

00:05:19.000 14-year-olds go through a lot of problems, a lot of self-image issues, girls and boys.

00:05:25.000 Why did you do this when most 14-year-olds don't?

00:05:30.000 Well, so I'm a bit of an autist, right?

00:05:33.000 So I was just like, there's this thing that could get me to my desired physique quicker.

00:05:38.000 Like, why wouldn't I do that?

00:05:39.000 It wasn't like, you know, your typical 14-year-old who goes on Instagram and sees like, you know,

00:05:45.000 a picture of David Laid or like Chris Bumstead and is like, oh, like, I want to look like

00:05:49.000 that guy.

00:05:50.000 I'm just like, well, objectively, this is going to get me there quicker.

00:05:53.000 So why would I not, you know?

00:05:55.000 Are there...

00:05:56.000 That was kind of the mentality.

00:05:57.000 Are there insides there?

00:05:58.000 Are there side effects?

00:05:59.000 Of course.

00:06:00.000 Yeah, no.

00:06:01.000 So there's a lot that can go wrong if you're not very careful with, you know, using anabolic

00:06:05.000 steroids, obviously.

00:06:06.000 So I was someone who did my due diligence and made sure things didn't go horribly wrong.

00:06:13.000 There's certainly things I could have went about better.

00:06:15.000 And I wish I had a more comprehensive understanding before I, you know, decided to go this route.

00:06:20.000 But, you know, we're here now.

00:06:22.000 And for those reasons with how complex it is, I don't openly advocate for anyone to do

00:06:27.000 this, right?

00:06:28.000 I think a lot more people are going to wind up putting themselves over, excuse me, screwing

00:06:32.000 themselves over if they are to go this route rather than, you know, if they were to decide,

00:06:37.000 you know, to stay natural.

00:06:39.000 What do you regret?

00:06:40.000 You say there's some things I wish I had done differently, would have turned out differently.

00:06:43.000 Um, just not taking certain pharmaceuticals.

00:06:47.000 I wish I would have, you know, had a little bit more IGF-1 in the protocols, just for example.

00:06:54.000 What's the effect of that, though?

00:06:56.000 IGF-1 is, you know, an important hormone for development.

00:07:00.000 So just if I were to take that, that would be a little bit better.

00:07:03.000 But I couldn't afford it at the time.

00:07:05.000 So I would have just gone about that a little different.

00:07:08.000 But there was nothing where you'd say, I really messed this part of my body up.

00:07:12.000 You'd just say, I wish I'd gone further.

00:07:13.000 Right.

00:07:14.000 Yeah.

00:07:15.000 So you start taking these steroids.

00:07:18.000 Are you still taking them?

00:07:19.000 Yes.

00:07:20.000 I'm just on TRT.

00:07:21.000 What's TRT?

00:07:22.000 Testosterone replacement therapy.

00:07:23.000 Yes.

00:07:24.000 Yeah.

00:07:25.000 Okay.

00:07:26.000 You hear about like 50-year-old guys doing that.

00:07:27.000 Yeah.

00:07:28.000 Well, it seems a little ridiculous that to optimize my testosterone levels to where they realistically

00:07:33.000 should be as a male, I have to wait until I'm like 30 years old is like the common cope

00:07:38.000 that you hear on the internet.

00:07:40.000 And testosterone levels have been declining rapidly across generations.

00:07:45.000 So I'm kind of just placing myself where we, you know, evolutionarily should be.

00:07:49.000 Okay.

00:07:50.000 So looks maxing then is when you shoot up a bunch of pharmaceuticals.

00:07:54.000 No, that's not.

00:07:55.000 That's, you know, my iteration of looks maxing is just kind of doing whatever it takes,

00:08:00.000 like the rich piano mentality.

00:08:03.000 That's not really what I advocate for because, again, with all these complexities, you could

00:08:07.000 wind up putting yourself over and...

00:08:10.000 How so?

00:08:11.000 Well, you know, take testosterone, for example.

00:08:13.000 You could deal with hair loss issues.

00:08:15.000 You could deal with acne.

00:08:17.000 You could deal with gynecomastia.

00:08:18.000 You have to really carefully manage a ton of different hormones and a ton of different 0.64

00:08:23.000 interactions inside your body.

00:08:24.000 You have to forgive my ignorance.

00:08:26.000 I know nothing about this.

00:08:27.000 What is gynecomastia? 0.84

00:08:28.000 That is, you know, the glandular tissue and your nipples growing. 0.90

00:08:32.000 Yeah.

00:08:33.000 So, I guess, I think the term I've heard a lot of people use is .

00:08:38.000 So...

00:08:39.000 Yeah, no, I don't want that.

00:08:40.000 Yeah, so you don't want that.

00:08:41.000 That's what I mean.

00:08:42.000 And, you know, if people were to just go around blasting tests without a comprehensive

00:08:47.000 understanding of this stuff, that's what would happen.

00:08:49.000 You know, but there are mechanisms that you could leverage to make sure this doesn't occur.

00:08:54.000 But, once again, most people won't have the foresight to go about it the right way.

00:08:59.000 So, when you learn all this stuff online, and you're on all these forums, and you say,

00:09:04.000 okay, this is how I'm going to look really good.

00:09:07.000 And you start getting the testosterone.

00:09:09.000 Did your parents ever object to that?

00:09:12.000 Yeah, they would take it away all the time.

00:09:15.000 Where did you get it?

00:09:16.000 Just on the internet.

00:09:17.000 So, yeah, there was, like, a time where I went, like, hypogonadal for a month or two,

00:09:22.000 just because they took my testosterone stash, but I made sure that never happened again.

00:09:26.000 Hypergonadal?

00:09:27.000 Hypogonadal. 0.81

00:09:28.000 Like, I didn't have any testosterone reduction.

00:09:30.000 Just for, like, a month or two.

00:09:32.000 And that was probably the worst two months of my life.

00:09:36.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:09:37.000 You know, having zero male sex hormone, you have no libido, no sex drive.

00:09:42.000 So, yeah, just making sure to avoid that is very important.

00:09:46.000 So, your parents, you get into this on the internet, you order the drugs on the internet,

00:09:52.000 you start taking the drugs, your parents finally find out about this,

00:09:55.000 and they say, hey, stop doing that.

00:09:57.000 What did they tell you?

00:09:58.000 Well, they would just take it away, say no more steroids, 0.94

00:10:01.000 like, take away the Xbox classic stuff.

00:10:04.000 But I'm just someone who, you know, is willing to do whatever needs to be done,

00:10:10.000 so I would just reorder it to P.O. Box instead.

00:10:12.000 Like, you know, a lot of people will come after my parents

00:10:15.000 for the things that I did, but realistically, no one was stopping me.

00:10:18.000 I was committed to my goal, and I wasn't going to let anyone get away.

00:10:22.000 So, why was that your goal?

00:10:24.000 Because I see the point on self-improvement,

00:10:27.000 and ambitious young men want to improve themselves.

00:10:31.000 But there are different ways you can improve yourself.

00:10:33.000 Right.

00:10:34.000 There's the physical way, there's spiritual improvement,

00:10:36.000 there's mental improvement, there's, I don't know, all sorts of improvement.

00:10:40.000 Right, but what's going to actually get you further in life?

00:10:43.000 What's going to get you opportunities in the workplace?

00:10:46.000 What's going to get you, you know, dates, you know, with prettier women? 1.00

00:10:50.000 It's going to be looks a hundred times over,

00:10:53.000 and there's really no denying that with, like, you know,

00:10:55.000 a lot of the recent, you know, self-report studies we've seen,

00:10:59.000 like, you know, research from the dating apps that's been released.

00:11:02.000 So, I would say that looks is just the most important metric,

00:11:05.000 and it's arguably one of the easier things that you could maximize.

00:11:10.000 What's very interesting about what you said is,

00:11:12.000 well, we'll get back to all these ultimate goals,

00:11:15.000 but just on the dating point, you say,

00:11:17.000 look, what matters in dating is looks.

00:11:19.000 And that has been true for all of history to some degree,

00:11:23.000 but I think it's truer today than it was 30 years ago.

00:11:27.000 Because I'll give you an example.

00:11:29.000 I went to a prestigious university

00:11:33.000 where you got a lot of guys who graduate,

00:11:36.000 like, I'm talking about the parents of my classmates.

00:11:39.000 A lot of the guys, they don't look good,

00:11:41.000 but a lot of them become very rich.

00:11:43.000 And we would sometimes joke that the girls

00:11:46.000 who went to this school looked kind of like aliens

00:11:49.000 because they had these supermodel moms 1.00

00:11:51.000 and these, like, fat, ugly dads, 0.99

00:11:53.000 but the dads were really rich. 0.98

00:11:55.000 And so, listen, it's a little bit of a stereotype.

00:11:57.000 Plenty of people did not fit the stereotype.

00:11:59.000 But when you think of generations past,

00:12:03.000 there are plenty of not-so-great-looking guys

00:12:05.000 who ended up with beautiful women for reasons of,

00:12:08.000 I don't know, social rights and rituals,

00:12:12.000 for reasons of money, for reasons of class status,

00:12:15.000 for reasons of profession, whatever.

00:12:17.000 They didn't have the dating apps.

00:12:19.000 And so, even that, you get into LooksMaxing

00:12:22.000 because of the online forums,

00:12:24.000 you get the drugs for LooksMaxing

00:12:26.000 because of the internet marketplaces,

00:12:27.000 and you say, the reason I need to LooksMax

00:12:29.000 is because all the dating takes place online

00:12:30.000 where you're reduced to a picture.

00:12:32.000 Right. Of course.

00:12:33.000 And that's something that often gets brought up to me.

00:12:36.000 And here's my response to the whole thing about money,

00:12:40.000 would be, what's more likely for the average guy?

00:12:43.000 Because I think of things in sociological terms.

00:12:46.000 I think that's very interesting to me,

00:12:47.000 to just look at men across the society.

00:12:49.000 What's more likely?

00:12:50.000 Someone to ascend from maybe slightly below average

00:12:54.000 to above average through LooksMaxing,

00:12:56.000 or for them to achieve that desired amount of wealth

00:12:59.000 for a supermodel to date them? 1.00

00:13:01.000 It just seems like we should be telling people

00:13:03.000 to go the Looks route.

00:13:05.000 Why?

00:13:06.000 Because it's easier. It's more realistic.

00:13:09.000 Is it cheap to LooksMax, or does it cost money?

00:13:12.000 It's just more achievable. You know, people with...

00:13:15.000 I'm just saying, how much do these drugs cost?

00:13:17.000 Not much. It's not really that difficult.

00:13:20.000 It's more of a time investment.

00:13:22.000 But someone is likely going to lack the intellect

00:13:26.000 to be able to achieve this status max,

00:13:28.000 to achieve, you know, income max.

00:13:31.000 So, just across the society,

00:13:33.000 I would say we should be advocating for Looks.

00:13:35.000 I'm not sure I agree with you

00:13:37.000 that it's easier to look better

00:13:39.000 than it is to make some money,

00:13:42.000 or do well in your job, or what have you.

00:13:44.000 I mean, there are plenty of people at the top

00:13:46.000 of their profession, whatever that profession is,

00:13:48.000 blue collar, white collar,

00:13:50.000 people who would be considered by some metric elite,

00:13:53.000 who are not that intelligent,

00:13:54.000 who probably don't have a very high IQ,

00:13:56.000 but who work very hard, who are clever,

00:13:58.000 who are scrappy, who are hustlers.

00:14:00.000 Well, you know, we're talking about across the society,

00:14:02.000 not just like a couple anecdotes 0.98

00:14:04.000 of maybe some dumb blue collar, like Brut, 0.97

00:14:07.000 you know, maybe owning his own company. 0.99

00:14:10.000 So, that just seems a little bit ridiculous to me

00:14:13.000 to suggest that it would be easier to jump 20 percentiles

00:14:16.000 in terms of income or status than in Looks.

00:14:20.000 I guess the reason, if I think across the society,

00:14:22.000 that I'm skeptical of this,

00:14:24.000 not just the Brut who ends up with his own company,

00:14:27.000 but the people who, you know, across industries

00:14:29.000 and class strata, I know way more rich guys

00:14:33.000 than I know really good looking guys.

00:14:35.000 And I think we see more rich guys in society

00:14:38.000 than we see good looking guys.

00:14:40.000 So, all things else being equal,

00:14:41.000 if you just want to, I don't know, attract a chick, 0.74

00:14:44.000 wouldn't it, and I guess the reason I'm pushing

00:14:46.000 on this point is, when you learn how to do well in your job,

00:14:50.000 when you learn how to cultivate some skill

00:14:52.000 that the marketplace rewards,

00:14:54.000 aren't you improving yourself in other ways

00:14:57.000 that just enhancing your bone structure does not?

00:15:02.000 Absolutely. No, and you're fully right.

00:15:04.000 And before we go any further down this rabbit hole,

00:15:07.000 I don't want to act like these two forms of improvement

00:15:09.000 are mutually exclusive whatsoever.

00:15:11.000 I advocate for all the same stuff you're talking about.

00:15:14.000 I think that, you know, learning a high-value skill

00:15:17.000 is one of the most important things that you could do.

00:15:19.000 I'm just saying that it's going to be easier for you

00:15:22.000 to actually ascend and overcome a lot of the disparities

00:15:24.000 in the dating market through looks.

00:15:26.000 I'm not saying neglect, you know, getting rich,

00:15:29.000 neglect, you know, your status. 0.82

00:15:31.000 That would be absolutely ridiculous for me to suggest.

00:15:33.000 So, I'm saying a well-rounded mogger is kind of required

00:15:36.000 with how difficult the scene is these days.

00:15:39.000 I grant.

00:15:40.000 I sometimes think that I got the last chopper out of Nam,

00:15:43.000 you know, because I'm a millennial,

00:15:44.000 and I was single for a bit, and I always liked dating

00:15:49.000 when I was single, but I, you know, married the love of my life,

00:15:52.000 and we have this great life, and I think, man,

00:15:54.000 if I had to date in the year of our Lord 2025,

00:15:57.000 I would be very upset.

00:15:58.000 Mm-hmm.

00:15:59.000 I would have to learn how to mog,

00:16:00.000 I would have to learn how to mu, 0.99

00:16:01.000 I would have to learn all these skills that I don't possess.

00:16:04.000 Yeah, absolutely, and I would say that the main reason that is

00:16:08.000 is because of Instagram, right?

00:16:10.000 And a lot of people don't understand the implications of, you know,

00:16:14.000 access to the internet and access to communicating with everyone

00:16:17.000 across the entire world, essentially.

00:16:20.000 So, what that looks like in terms of a hypergamy standpoint was,

00:16:24.000 you know, maybe you had a girl from your town

00:16:26.000 who was going to try to date above her looks level, 0.92

00:16:29.000 maybe just in her immediate surroundings.

00:16:31.000 But now, we've got people like, you know, professional athletes,

00:16:35.000 DMing them on Instagram, flying them out.

00:16:37.000 So, you're not just competing with the top Chads

00:16:40.000 of your 15-mile radius,

00:16:42.000 you're competing with the entire world.

00:16:44.000 So, it's just, it's...

00:16:45.000 The Chads of the world.

00:16:46.000 Maybe who even live in Chad.

00:16:48.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:16:49.000 The nation of Chad.

00:16:50.000 You got no idea.

00:16:51.000 Well, I doubt it, but...

00:16:52.000 So, it's becoming increasingly difficult

00:16:54.000 to compete as, like, the average guy.

00:16:56.000 So, like, there's this purgatory zone

00:16:58.000 where even someone who's average to above average

00:17:01.000 could be struggling to secure a long-term relationship

00:17:04.000 a lot of the times, and that's, like, really alarming.

00:17:06.000 This is very interesting, because the observation

00:17:09.000 you're making pertains to the economic discussion, too.

00:17:12.000 A lot of the debates over free trade

00:17:14.000 and economic policy in the last 10 years

00:17:17.000 have revolved around the perils of globalization.

00:17:19.000 Previously, you only had to compete

00:17:21.000 against your countrymen.

00:17:22.000 Now, you got to compete against your countrymen,

00:17:24.000 the flood of foreigners that comes in across an open border,

00:17:27.000 and a globalized world with jobs being outsourced

00:17:30.000 all over the globe.

00:17:31.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:17:33.000 Very similar.

00:17:34.000 But, yeah, no, even if it was just domestically,

00:17:37.000 like, things are really bad.

00:17:39.000 Like, when you've got girls being, like, flown out

00:17:41.000 by, like, Shaquille O'Neal, and you're just an average guy

00:17:44.000 making, you know, maybe $80,000 a year,

00:17:46.000 like, what are you supposed to do?

00:17:47.000 Does that happen?

00:17:48.000 Does Shaquille O'Neal fly out girls from Palookaville?

00:17:50.000 Oh, I'm sure.

00:17:51.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:17:52.000 Does he really?

00:17:53.000 Or is that the thing?

00:17:54.000 Like, it's a fun story, and I guess it could happen,

00:17:57.000 but does that really happen?

00:17:59.000 Absolutely.

00:18:00.000 Yeah, no, I've seen professional athletes, like,

00:18:02.000 following, like, girls I knew from, like, my hometown.

00:18:04.000 Like, this is, like, a very common thing,

00:18:06.000 because with how degenerate this society has moved,

00:18:09.000 these girls are taking on so many different sexual partners 1.00

00:18:13.000 that, you know, there's a lot of, you know, plausibility

00:18:16.000 for this kind of stuff.

00:18:17.000 So, the promiscuity is a major problem.

00:18:20.000 I mean, on a whole host of social levels.

00:18:23.000 But what you're telling me is,

00:18:26.000 looks maxing is chiefly about getting a girlfriend.

00:18:31.000 No, no.

00:18:32.000 No.

00:18:33.000 Your looks are gonna improve your quality of life

00:18:35.000 in a lot of different regards,

00:18:37.000 whether it be in the workplace,

00:18:39.000 just overall opportunities presented to you.

00:18:42.000 This is all going to be tailored to looks,

00:18:44.000 and the main thing that you need to understand

00:18:46.000 is the halo effect.

00:18:47.000 I don't know if you've heard about this.

00:18:48.000 What is the halo effect?

00:18:49.000 The halo effect is that people are going

00:18:51.000 to perceive the things that you say

00:18:53.000 and the things that you do a lot better

00:18:55.000 if you're good-looking.

00:18:56.000 Yeah.

00:18:57.000 So...

00:18:58.000 There's, like, that meme

00:18:59.000 where some really good-looking guy goes up

00:19:01.000 and he's like, hey, Shelly, nice dress today.

00:19:03.000 And she's like, oh, thanks, GigaChat.

00:19:04.000 Exactly.

00:19:05.000 And then some, like, fat guy walks up

00:19:06.000 and he's like, nice dress, Shelly.

00:19:07.000 And she's like, ah, hello, HR.

00:19:08.000 Exactly, yeah.

00:19:09.000 So, no, that's a pinnacle example of the halo effect

00:19:12.000 and what that looks like. 0.99

00:19:13.000 So if you've got to be this fat slob 0.99

00:19:15.000 who's getting HR complaints for... 0.99

00:19:17.000 that you saw, you know, another guy do two seconds ago,

00:19:20.000 that's got to be quite brutal, you know?

00:19:22.000 So just your overall well-being,

00:19:25.000 if you're an unattractive person

00:19:26.000 and no one even wants to look at you in the elevator,

00:19:29.000 no one even wants to shake your hand or acknowledge you,

00:19:32.000 it's horrible for your mental,

00:19:35.000 for your mental well-being.

00:19:36.000 And that's why I think looks-maxing goes a lot further

00:19:39.000 than just getting a girlfriend.

00:19:41.000 Like, that seems like a very silly thing,

00:19:43.000 to do all the best.

00:19:44.000 At least, though, you would have to say

00:19:45.000 the thesis of looks-maxing

00:19:47.000 is that looks are the most important thing in life.

00:19:51.000 Yeah.

00:19:53.000 What about the non-physical things?

00:19:56.000 You know, I'm a little older than you

00:19:58.000 and when I was a kid we were told

00:20:00.000 looks aren't everything,

00:20:02.000 don't judge a book by its cover,

00:20:04.000 it's what's on the inside that counts.

00:20:06.000 You know, Christianity and religion

00:20:09.000 generally teaches us

00:20:10.000 that there is more to life

00:20:12.000 than the material aspects of this world

00:20:14.000 and, you know, we need to focus on the spirit and...

00:20:17.000 Yeah, no, absolutely.

00:20:18.000 But the thing is, your subconscious tells you

00:20:21.000 if someone is genetically disfortunate

00:20:25.000 that they are lesser than you

00:20:27.000 and you have to kind of fight that

00:20:29.000 if you're thinking in terms of, like, Christianity,

00:20:31.000 to acknowledge them as an equal.

00:20:34.000 So, if you've got to go against, like,

00:20:36.000 your biological instincts to have a belief system,

00:20:39.000 it already kind of just makes it a little bit difficult,

00:20:43.000 you know?

00:20:44.000 Yeah, but don't we do that in a whole host of ways?

00:20:46.000 Like, I believe in original sin

00:20:48.000 and concupiscence.

00:20:49.000 I think it's a fallen world.

00:20:51.000 And so, sometimes people drive me crazy 1.00

00:20:54.000 and I kind of want to murder them. 0.99

00:20:56.000 My biology or some fallen aspect of my nature 1.00

00:20:59.000 urges me to murder them 1.00

00:21:01.000 or to go sleep with a hundred other women 1.00

00:21:03.000 who aren't my wife 1.00

00:21:04.000 or to eat ten more cupcakes off the table.

00:21:07.000 And I have to fight against that

00:21:08.000 just as I fight against all sin.

00:21:10.000 But what's easier?

00:21:11.000 To convince every single person in the United States

00:21:16.000 to treat everyone equally based on looks

00:21:19.000 and really fight their biological instincts

00:21:22.000 or to individually improve yourself

00:21:24.000 so that you don't have to.

00:21:26.000 Well, I guess maybe the question then becomes

00:21:29.000 over the improvement.

00:21:31.000 Because you've already granted that

00:21:33.000 some of these drugs that you're taking,

00:21:36.000 they might have negative side effects.

00:21:38.000 You know, is looks-maxing all just drugs?

00:21:40.000 No, no, no.

00:21:41.000 What else is there to it?

00:21:42.000 So, there's a lot of stuff about, like, coloring,

00:21:46.000 like, you know, being tanner.

00:21:47.000 It could even be as simple as...

00:21:49.000 Is tan good?

00:21:50.000 Tanning?

00:21:51.000 Yes.

00:21:52.000 Well, the UV damage and UV exposure can certainly...

00:21:55.000 No, I'm saying from the looks-max perspective.

00:21:57.000 Do people like the tanner people or the whiter people?

00:21:59.000 The tanner people, actually.

00:22:00.000 And they've done a lot of different surveying about this.

00:22:03.000 Usually, tanned European phenotypes are the most ideal. 0.99

00:22:08.000 So...

00:22:09.000 Because you would think,

00:22:10.000 oh, maybe this is just racist.

00:22:13.000 But you would...

00:22:14.000 I thought the idea was people value whiteness more,

00:22:17.000 and that's one of the great sins of our culture,

00:22:19.000 is that whiteness is considered more beautiful

00:22:21.000 than brownness or blackness.

00:22:23.000 But you're saying, no, it's the...

00:22:25.000 Basically, you need to Sicilian-max, 0.76

00:22:26.000 and then you're in a good spot.

00:22:28.000 Yeah, not necessarily.

00:22:29.000 I mean, it's also just a health indicator

00:22:31.000 to be a little bit more tanned

00:22:33.000 rather than completely pale.

00:22:35.000 So that's why people often prefer it.

00:22:38.000 So that's another part.

00:22:39.000 It could even be as simple as getting leaner.

00:22:41.000 Lean-maxing is a big part of looks-maxing.

00:22:43.000 And that's arguably the most important thing that you could do, 0.99

00:22:46.000 because you can do all this shit. 0.99

00:22:48.000 You can get surgeries. 1.00

00:22:49.000 But at the end of the day,

00:22:50.000 if you're, you know, 20%, 25% body fat,

00:22:53.000 you're not even able to see any of your facial angularity

00:22:56.000 or definition.

00:22:57.000 You've got no idea what's underneath all of the sludge.

00:22:59.000 Okay, so you get rid of the sludge.

00:23:01.000 You go on a good diet.

00:23:02.000 You work out.

00:23:04.000 You...

00:23:05.000 And maybe...

00:23:06.000 Okay, that's basic.

00:23:07.000 Everyone...

00:23:08.000 Yeah, okay.

00:23:09.000 You want to look better.

00:23:10.000 You work out and eat better.

00:23:11.000 Everyone knows that.

00:23:12.000 Everyone knows that.

00:23:13.000 Then you raise the stakes a little bit,

00:23:14.000 and you say,

00:23:15.000 and inject yourself with things like testosterone

00:23:16.000 and other hormones.

00:23:18.000 Okay.

00:23:19.000 That raises it a little bit.

00:23:20.000 Is that it?

00:23:21.000 Is that where it maxes out?

00:23:22.000 No.

00:23:23.000 So I'm getting a double jaw surgery

00:23:25.000 and a couple weeks from now.

00:23:27.000 So that's probably the furthest it goes,

00:23:31.000 is plastic surgery.

00:23:33.000 What... 0.99

00:23:34.000 This is really ignorant, 0.97

00:23:35.000 and I'm learning a lot sitting here. 0.99

00:23:37.000 Okay.

00:23:38.000 What do you mean a double jaw surgery?

00:23:40.000 So...

00:23:41.000 You're not getting a second jaw.

00:23:42.000 No.

00:23:43.000 They just perform two osteotomies.

00:23:45.000 Meaning like one side and the other side?

00:23:47.000 No, no, no.

00:23:48.000 So your upper jaw, which is your maxilla.

00:23:50.000 Oh, okay.

00:23:51.000 And your lower jaw, your mandible.

00:23:52.000 They're just doing an osteotomy on both of the jaws

00:23:55.000 and then advancing them forward.

00:23:58.000 Now why are you doing that?

00:23:59.000 You're a good-looking guy.

00:24:00.000 Well, you know,

00:24:01.000 because I want to look better, right?

00:24:03.000 Why...

00:24:04.000 Why...

00:24:05.000 Okay.

00:24:06.000 Before I ask my next question,

00:24:08.000 why do you want to look better?

00:24:10.000 Meaning, look, I would get it 0.93

00:24:11.000 if you looked like some mutant 0.96

00:24:12.000 and you had some deformities

00:24:13.000 and it was really messing up your life,

00:24:15.000 but you're tall, muscular,

00:24:17.000 you've got defined bone features.

00:24:19.000 Why do you need to go further?

00:24:21.000 Well, I mean, you're already rich.

00:24:24.000 You know, why are we here right now

00:24:25.000 doing this interview?

00:24:26.000 Because I think...

00:24:27.000 I would turn that around on you.

00:24:28.000 I like having money.

00:24:31.000 Money is a nice thing to have.

00:24:32.000 But I don't really like spending money that much

00:24:34.000 and so I'm happy to make the money

00:24:35.000 and get more money.

00:24:36.000 But I think there's more to my work than money.

00:24:37.000 But you get what I'm saying, right?

00:24:38.000 No, but I think it's an important distinction.

00:24:40.000 I work for a lot more than money.

00:24:42.000 If I only wanted to make money,

00:24:44.000 I would have gone into banking

00:24:45.000 or consulting or something.

00:24:47.000 So I work for a lot more than that.

00:24:50.000 What are you working for

00:24:52.000 when you get the double jaw surgery?

00:24:54.000 To look better.

00:24:55.000 And just because you're already doing okay

00:24:58.000 or you're well off,

00:25:00.000 is that a reason to quit?

00:25:01.000 Is that a reason to sort of put the brakes on? 0.89

00:25:04.000 That seems a little ridiculous. 0.61

00:25:05.000 Let me ask in another way. 0.55

00:25:06.000 Yeah.

00:25:08.000 You say, why do I need to keep working?

00:25:10.000 And I say, well, in part it's to make more money

00:25:13.000 and then I can put my kids through school

00:25:14.000 and maybe I can take them on a vacation

00:25:16.000 or whatever.

00:25:17.000 But it's also to spread the ideas that I care about.

00:25:21.000 It's also to raise my political influence

00:25:25.000 in ways that I think would help shape the country

00:25:27.000 in a good way.

00:25:28.000 It's also to spread my view of religion,

00:25:31.000 spread the gospel,

00:25:32.000 hopefully convert some people.

00:25:34.000 There are myriad reasons that I would continue to work.

00:25:37.000 But it would be doing the interview

00:25:39.000 and doing the shows for those reasons.

00:25:42.000 And so what I'm asking you is,

00:25:44.000 what, you already look good.

00:25:46.000 Why do you want, what, what is looking better for?

00:25:50.000 Um, so I am someone who just wants to mog essentially.

00:25:55.000 I, you know, and I've done this, this, uh, speech a few times.

00:25:59.000 I don't really care about, you know, getting girls. 0.98

00:26:02.000 That's kind of lost its novelty.

00:26:04.000 Uh, at this point, I just want to mog people.

00:26:07.000 I want to have, you know, a better halo effect

00:26:12.000 and just better overall quality of life through my looks.

00:26:16.000 Look, sometimes a guy just wants to mog.

00:26:18.000 I totally, I get it.

00:26:19.000 Yeah, you know what I mean?

00:26:20.000 But, but this, this then brings us back

00:26:23.000 to the spiritual point that I alluded to.

00:26:25.000 Mm-hmm.

00:26:26.000 I could get the looks maxing if it were about getting a girl. 1.00

00:26:30.000 You couldn't get a girl, now you want to get a girl. 1.00

00:26:32.000 Now, getting a girl isn't just so you can get laid, 0.99

00:26:34.000 in my humble opinion.

00:26:36.000 Getting a girl is, is so, is so that you can get married, 0.99

00:26:39.000 and you can have a family, and you can have kids,

00:26:41.000 and you can be part of your community,

00:26:43.000 and you can, you know, it's, it's for stuff.

00:26:45.000 I, I would get looks maxing if you said, well,

00:26:47.000 so that I can get a better job,

00:26:49.000 because employers are going to treat me better,

00:26:50.000 and they're going to promote me.

00:26:51.000 Okay, I see that's for something.

00:26:53.000 But if you're saying, if you're saying with a straight face,

00:26:56.000 even with a new double jaw straight face,

00:26:58.000 you say, look, man, I just want a mog. 0.99

00:27:00.000 Yeah.

00:27:01.000 Then, then I would have to ask, at that point,

00:27:04.000 isn't looks maxing just vanity?

00:27:06.000 Uh, I would say, in a lot of regards, you know,

00:27:10.000 it, it could be perceived that way,

00:27:12.000 but that's my interpretation of it.

00:27:14.000 Uh, and that's just my overall, all thing.

00:27:18.000 And the word mog could mean so much, right? 0.97

00:27:21.000 That could mean all the things that you just mentioned.

00:27:23.000 What, what do we mean by mog, I guess?

00:27:25.000 Just live.

00:27:26.000 What is a mogger?

00:27:27.000 A mogger?

00:27:28.000 A mogger is someone who's just, like, I would say, 1.00

00:27:33.000 you know, the, the peak human.

00:27:35.000 Um, and that's kind of what I'm going for.

00:27:39.000 And that's in all metrics, right?

00:27:40.000 I don't want to only mog and looks.

00:27:42.000 I also want to mog in wealth.

00:27:44.000 I also want to mog in status.

00:27:46.000 Just becoming as well-rounded, like a full package mogger,

00:27:49.000 as I can.

00:27:50.000 You know, and I...

00:27:51.000 I get that.

00:27:52.000 So...

00:27:53.000 And, and that, there's a lot that's admirable about that.

00:27:55.000 Mm-hmm.

00:27:56.000 But there, there is a part that you have left out

00:27:59.000 in your total mogging package,

00:28:01.000 which is something we were just talking about.

00:28:03.000 And I wonder if...

00:28:04.000 Spiritual aspect?

00:28:05.000 Does that cut against all of the other mogging? 1.00

00:28:07.000 Is there any conflict there?

00:28:09.000 I don't think so.

00:28:10.000 I, I really don't think so at all.

00:28:12.000 Um, you know, there might be certain parts of religion,

00:28:16.000 whether it be Christianity, or I'm not sure if other people might be,

00:28:19.000 uh, followers of Islam, that might... 0.59

00:28:21.000 Christianity's the true one. 0.98

00:28:22.000 Don't worry.

00:28:23.000 Don't worry about the other ones.

00:28:24.000 Well, just to acknowledge, like, whatever viewers, um, are, are watching.

00:28:28.000 But I would tend to agree with you.

00:28:31.000 Um, you know, I, I'm not sure if, if there's different, you know, scripture

00:28:35.000 about not modifying yourself to that extent.

00:28:38.000 You know?

00:28:39.000 Uh, well, in the old law, you can't have tattoos, but, um...

00:28:43.000 I'm not much of a theologian, so I, I couldn't speak to that too well.

00:28:47.000 There is a, there is an, uh, a warning against, in the Christian religion, 0.65

00:28:53.000 uh, against pride.

00:28:54.000 You know, excessive love of one's own excellence

00:28:57.000 against vanity, against, uh, making idols out of the material things of this world.

00:29:03.000 These are some of the, if you wanted to be the greatest spiritual mogger,

00:29:07.000 I do wonder if that would conflict with mogging in all of these other areas.

00:29:11.000 Uh, physically, in terms of wealth, and elsewhere.

00:29:14.000 I could see how it could, but I don't really think that it necessarily would in my case.

00:29:18.000 Me, me, here's gonna be one verse that, uh, I'm gonna rewrite a little bit.

00:29:22.000 It is easier for the camel to pass through the eye of a needle

00:29:26.000 than for a wealth-maxed mogger to enter into the kingdom of heaven.

00:29:30.000 Mm-hmm. Okay.

00:29:32.000 Uh, interesting.

00:29:34.000 That's the MKV version of the Bible. 0.80

00:29:36.000 Yeah, so, um, I don't really have too much regard for the spiritual aspect when I'm trying to, uh, looks-max.

00:29:44.000 Uh, I'm kinda all in on, on what I'm doing right now.

00:29:47.000 And I'm not, you know, necessarily advocating against Christianity.

00:29:51.000 I think that there's a lot that can be gained from religion and a lot of young men.

00:29:56.000 It's helped so many people.

00:29:58.000 But this is just my pursuit and, and the immediate moment.

00:30:01.000 Okay.

00:30:02.000 So then, bringing it back to more quotidian things.

00:30:05.000 You say, you said something earlier, you said, look, I'm not doing it just to get girls.

00:30:08.000 The, the shine has rubbed off of that.

00:30:11.000 Mm-hmm.

00:30:12.000 Do you, do you have a girlfriend?

00:30:14.000 No.

00:30:15.000 No girlfriend.

00:30:16.000 Do you want a girlfriend?

00:30:17.000 Um, I'm a little bit young.

00:30:19.000 I'm kinda focused on career right now.

00:30:21.000 Hmm.

00:30:22.000 I've heard a lot of my, but I, you know, I had, I had my first girlfriend when I was 12.

00:30:26.000 And maybe that's a little bit too young.

00:30:27.000 And then I dated in high school.

00:30:29.000 Uh, ended up marrying my high school sweetheart, albeit later.

00:30:33.000 Mm-hmm.

00:30:34.000 And so I don't know, I, I never found, I've heard this from my friends where they say,

00:30:37.000 I'm not focused on girls now.

00:30:39.000 I'm gonna have a career.

00:30:40.000 I'm gonna be established.

00:30:41.000 I'm gonna make some money.

00:30:42.000 And then I'll worry about dating and getting married when I'm 30 or 35.

00:30:46.000 Yeah, no, that's another cope.

00:30:48.000 Because people, by the time they're 35, a lot of their youth indicators have gone to, um,

00:30:54.000 and they haven't really gained enough progress to justify that looks decline

00:30:59.000 with maybe the increase in, in income and, in that kind of thing.

00:31:03.000 So I would, I would say that's probably not a good idea.

00:31:06.000 But certainly at 19 years old, for me to put, you know, my career, uh, sort of at a halt,

00:31:12.000 or at least slow down, you know, the traction that I've been gaining seems a little bit ridiculous.

00:31:17.000 Does it need to, does, does having a girlfriend or.

00:31:19.000 It does.

00:31:20.000 It does.

00:31:21.000 Yeah.

00:31:22.000 Why do you say that?

00:31:23.000 Just in my personal case, I mean, I do a lot of, of content, um, that's, you know,

00:31:28.000 talking to other girls or, you know, pursuing maybe like one night stands sort of stuff.

00:31:33.000 Wait, hold on.

00:31:35.000 You do content that involves.

00:31:38.000 Like trying to.

00:31:39.000 You're not a pornographer.

00:31:40.000 No, no, no.

00:31:41.000 Just like trying to go to like parties and slay.

00:31:44.000 Okay.

00:31:45.000 I got it.

00:31:46.000 So it's like, is it like pickup artist stuff?

00:31:48.000 No, no, no, no.

00:31:49.000 Just like testing out, like, it's basically just like a litmus test.

00:31:52.000 Like, do I mog yet or like, you know what I mean?

00:31:55.000 So like, for instance, you would get the jaw surgeries and you say, okay, I, thesis, hypothesis,

00:32:01.000 I am going to slay more and mog harder once I have the jaw surgery.

00:32:05.000 I will test this through the methodology of the party.

00:32:08.000 Uh-huh.

00:32:09.000 Yeah.

00:32:10.000 Okay.

00:32:11.000 That's kind of the idea behind it.

00:32:12.000 And also with streaming, I stream, uh, every single day for hours.

00:32:16.000 Uh, I'm on my computer all day.

00:32:18.000 I really wouldn't have the time to be, uh, really an interesting partner for any woman. 1.00

00:32:23.000 That's for sure.

00:32:24.000 Would it, would that maybe balance you out a little bit if you took an hour a day to go get a drink with a girl?

00:32:29.000 I don't even, I mean, I'm going to be honest with you.

00:32:31.000 Um, if I had an extra hour a day, I would be using it at the gym before I'd use it to go get a drink, you know?

00:32:38.000 That seems a little bit...

00:32:39.000 Not just to go get a drink, but to get a drink with a girl, with a potential, with a girlfriend, with a potential wife, with...

00:32:45.000 In other words, is your life a little bit out of balance?

00:32:49.000 Are you thinking a little too much about maxing out yourself?

00:32:53.000 Would it actually help you, perhaps, to take that hour?

00:32:57.000 Well, it's never an hour, because let's actually break it down.

00:33:00.000 Um, so, first of all, you've got to identify a girl, right?

00:33:05.000 Then you've got to shoot her a first inquiry, whether it be an Instagram message or a cold approach.

00:33:12.000 So we're already, like, down two hours, right? That just...

00:33:15.000 So how long does it take you to write? You know, it takes me a long time to...

00:33:17.000 To find a hot girl these days? Um, well, if you've got standards, it's literally two hours.

00:33:22.000 So you go around, you find this girl, then you have to go and do an activity, God forbid.

00:33:26.000 Um, that's like, you know, maybe four or five hours doing some jester maxed, like bowling, or whatever normie copes, like Zoomers do. 0.98

00:33:36.000 Um, so that's already...

00:33:38.000 I gotta ask before we move on.

00:33:40.000 What...

00:33:41.000 What is... what is jester maxed? 1.00

00:33:44.000 Like, they're clowns. 0.98

00:33:45.000 Like, it's... 0.96

00:33:46.000 When you go bowling with a girl? 0.99

00:33:47.000 Yeah.

00:33:48.000 I mean, I don't think I've ever gone on a bowling date.

00:33:49.000 But what is...

00:33:51.000 Um, why is doing an activity with a girl you want to date necessarily jester maxed?

00:33:57.000 Because, um, you're just like this... 0.92

00:34:00.000 I think of it like you're this big jester, like, doing these silly, like, activities.

00:34:05.000 Like, you're basically, like, just an activity cell.

00:34:08.000 Like, what are you doing?

00:34:09.000 Like, bowling, it seems...

00:34:10.000 What if you become just a dinner cell?

00:34:12.000 Which is a less clownish activity.

00:34:14.000 Yeah, I'd say that's a little bit more reasonable.

00:34:16.000 But we still have the same issue of the inconvenience, right?

00:34:19.000 And the time, right?

00:34:21.000 That's three hours of dinner.

00:34:22.000 No, you would be taking... you're right.

00:34:23.000 You would be saying, the time that I otherwise would be spending working out, injecting, jaw maxing,

00:34:30.000 time that would be entirely focused on myself,

00:34:32.000 I will be taking the three hours or four hours, however many hours,

00:34:35.000 to focus on another person and another person with whom I could maybe build a life.

00:34:42.000 Potentially, yeah.

00:34:43.000 But I would say that what's available to you and your options will increase drastically

00:34:48.000 if you instead dedicate those three, four hours into maximizing other metrics of your life,

00:34:53.000 so now when it's finally time to enter the dating market and, you know, settle down with that long-term partner,

00:34:58.000 you're more established as a man and you've got a lot more going for you.

00:35:02.000 Okay.

00:35:03.000 Here's my rejoinder to that.

00:35:05.000 This, too, when you're talking about how you approach a girl, even that has this through line of everything's online.

00:35:12.000 Your work is online, you discovered looks maxing online, you found the drugs online, you started swiping right online,

00:35:19.000 and even now you're saying, well, if I want to approach a girl, you know, I've got to find her and I have to send her a DM.

00:35:24.000 And I think...

00:35:25.000 Well, that's just one avenue.

00:35:27.000 I also acknowledge, like, the in-person cold approach method.

00:35:31.000 Yes.

00:35:32.000 But that's the first one that came to mind.

00:35:33.000 And I think that's probably true for most people.

00:35:35.000 Yeah.

00:35:36.000 And I think, all right, yeah, that's true.

00:35:37.000 It's probably tough.

00:35:38.000 If I were single today, I'd be on the apps all the time.

00:35:40.000 However, I think I would.

00:35:42.000 Maybe I wouldn't.

00:35:43.000 I don't know.

00:35:44.000 It's hard to tell.

00:35:45.000 Instagram mogs hard. 0.66

00:35:46.000 Especially, like, if you have a lot of followers, you're much better off there.

00:35:49.000 That's true.

00:35:50.000 Although then I'd kind of worry, are they just after me for my, you know, like-maxing gram-mogging, you know?

00:35:56.000 At that point.

00:35:57.000 Or do they really love me?

00:35:58.000 Well, if you're just trying to go for, like, you know, one night stands and slay, it doesn't really matter.

00:36:03.000 I would no longer be trying to slay.

00:36:05.000 Oh, okay.

00:36:06.000 I would be trying to capture and marry. 0.88

00:36:09.000 Oh, yeah.

00:36:10.000 I would not be... 0.70

00:36:11.000 I would find it to be sinful to fornication-max. 0.58

00:36:15.000 I would be avoiding that.

00:36:17.000 So, then it makes me think, all right, well, I don't have to do that now because I'm married.

00:36:20.000 And I did something very strange, which is I married my high school sweetheart.

00:36:24.000 We split up for a little bit in the middle, but I married my high school sweetheart, which people used to do all the time.

00:36:29.000 Very few people do now.

00:36:30.000 And a lot of people will say, don't marry your high school sweetheart because, especially if you're an ambitious, self-improving looks-maxer,

00:36:36.000 you're, you know, the pool that you can pick from is going to be so much better five or ten years from now when you're in the professional world and you got some wealth and status.

00:36:46.000 Right.

00:36:47.000 I have anecdotally observed, but the plural of anecdote is data, that the best marriages I've ever seen have been people who knew each other when they were very young, and kids even.

00:36:59.000 Mm-hmm.

00:37:00.000 Which is not online, which is not about status, really, because no one, everyone's kind of equal in school, which is not primarily physical.

00:37:10.000 Obviously, you have to have a physical attraction, but you're not grading people on scales.

00:37:14.000 It seems to be totally the opposite of everything you're describing in the modern dating market, but might that old way be better?

00:37:21.000 I don't really disagree with you there about the whole high school sweetheart thing, because that's like a theory that we talk about called just be first in the looks-max community.

00:37:32.000 And the idea behind that is all the pair bonding abilities remain intact if you're, you know, marrying, you know, young and both partners are virgins, especially the woman.

00:37:43.000 You know, that tends to lead to more everlasting relationships, lower divorce rates. 1.00

00:37:49.000 I think the data absolutely agrees with you there.

00:37:52.000 I'm just simply saying that in my case, it would be a comical idea to put my career at a standstill for a girlfriend, because that is almost required.

00:38:04.000 It's very rare that you're able to progress to the degree that you otherwise would be with a long-term partner.

00:38:12.000 Well, certainly in what you do, if part of what you do involves you going out and picking up chicks, then you could not have a girlfriend while you were doing that.

00:38:20.000 Well, I also, you know, work pretty much all hours that I'm awake.

00:38:24.000 Yeah.

00:38:25.000 So I'm an incredibly boring person.

00:38:27.000 That's true, though. You know, that is something I have to fight. I work all the time. I don't have a real job, but I work all the time.

00:38:34.000 So I would almost feel bad, like, you know, being in a serious relationship and just being, like, the most boring, awful person ever.

00:38:42.000 But you, but, well, would you be boring? No, you might work a lot. You might have to fight to make time, you know, for your girlfriend.

00:38:48.000 I wouldn't. But would you be, and maybe you wouldn't want to do that. Why would you be boring?

00:38:54.000 Well, I mean, it's not really interesting when all you're doing is sitting on your computer, like, doing a show all the time.

00:39:01.000 You're interesting enough that people watch you.

00:39:03.000 Oh, absolutely. But, you know, unless the girlfriend wants to tune into the streams and become a viewer, if she's just on the sidelines, it's not really that interesting.

00:39:14.000 I don't know. Do you agree with that? I would disagree with that, because I work all the time. And look, it's a little different.

00:39:19.000 I'm married. I have kids. I have many reasons to carve out as much time as I can to not be on the road and to not be working.

00:39:26.000 But I endeavor to cultivate other interests and other desires and other loves beyond politics or whatever it is that I do, selling cigars.

00:39:36.000 And this, I wonder, I wonder if that is missing from the looks-maxing idea, meaning while you're looks-maxing and doing the attendant wealth-maxing and all the other stuff, we've talked about maybe a neglect of the spiritual-maxing, but what about even, like, book-maxing?

00:39:54.000 What about even cultivating loves for art or culture or things that, yet again, are not exactly physical, which make you interesting and will make girls find you interesting?

00:40:05.000 No, I absolutely agree with you. It's just, like, what are you going to dedicate your time to? And once again, I believe that once you start, you know, you have to be, like, pedal to the metal with your career, especially these days with how competitive, like, the job market is and everything.

00:40:21.740 So it's just about, you know, the return on time investment for anything that you do. If you believe that you could get more value reading a book for two hours than, you know, maybe learning a skill, if that's going to help you just in terms of your mental well-being, then fine.

00:40:39.180 You know, everyone's got a different answer to what works for them. So I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. I'm just saying what works for me anecdotally.

00:40:46.780 Are you in college?

00:40:48.720 No, I actually got expelled from college.

00:40:51.260 All right, well, then forget my question. Why'd you get expelled from college?

00:40:53.940 For lux-maxing, essentially, I got caught with steroids in my dorm room and I got kicked out. I only lasted three weeks.

00:41:02.000 Wow. That's fast. I know other people who got booted from college. Three weeks is fast.

00:41:05.920 Yeah, I'd say I probably set the record with that.

00:41:08.500 The reason I ask about college is people think today college is about just going and learning a skill and getting a job and, you know, making a lot of money.

00:41:17.260 That's really not what it's for. What it's supposed to be for is actually not learning any skills.

00:41:22.260 It's for reading old books and thinking about abstract mathematics and science and cultivating an inner life and, you know, familiarizing yourself with the greatest that our civilization has to offer and thinking even about eternal things.

00:41:36.120 And then you can go either grad school or an apprenticeship, learn on the job, do something else.

00:41:41.200 But it's about the idea that there is more to life than looks and that this will make you a more interesting person.

00:41:47.440 It will make you a more interested person and that this is at least as important as how you look and maybe much more important.

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00:43:13.160 I think that the actual interpretation of what college is supposed to be, like you just mentioned, is amazing.

00:43:21.260 You know, people with higher intellect going to do these studies is a wonderful thing, and that's how you have a great society.

00:43:28.660 But in the modern context, we're just sending everyone off to college universally.

00:43:34.120 Yeah.

00:43:34.340 And it doesn't really make sense to educate people with lesser intellect, because they don't have the capability to necessarily put these skills into practice.

00:43:43.300 They're probably going to be working blue-collar jobs in a lot of cases.

00:43:47.460 It's just kind of like a thing that people do now without...

00:43:50.240 And they get $200,000 worth of debt as their reward.

00:43:53.520 Yeah, so I think that college shouldn't be as universal as just like a thing that you do.

00:44:00.080 I totally agree with that.

00:44:01.100 It should be like a very sought-after thing for the upper echelon, you know, people.

00:44:06.300 But part of...

00:44:07.380 Yes, I agree with that.

00:44:08.520 Part of what college endeavors to do can be replicated elsewhere, though, which is to make people...

00:44:12.600 Absolutely.

00:44:13.220 ...to make people well-rounded, to make people have multiple facets to their life.

00:44:17.940 And you mentioned earlier, you said, you know, I'm a little bit autistic, a little touch of the tism.

00:44:22.340 And I think that's true for a lot of people these days, whether we're talking about real autism or just kind of habits of mind that singularly focus people, especially men.

00:44:30.700 Especially right-wing men, especially online men.

00:44:36.140 Wouldn't it be good to be a little well-rounded?

00:44:39.380 Do you ever...

00:44:39.960 Do you have that desire?

00:44:40.840 Or no, you say, no, I've picked my lane.

00:44:42.940 I am the looks-maxer, broadcaster, live streamer, and I'm just going to do that to the nth degree. 0.87

00:44:49.280 Everything else be damned.

00:44:50.760 I would say that I am pretty well-rounded.

00:44:53.180 It's just I have a very different idea on what's actually important to fit that definition.

00:44:59.560 So, like, a thing that I often speak out against is young people getting into politics. 1.00

00:45:05.240 Yeah.

00:45:05.420 So that would probably be something...

00:45:07.280 I don't know if you agree or...

00:45:08.200 I totally agree with that.

00:45:09.500 You know, so that's an example.

00:45:11.140 Oh, well, you're not...

00:45:12.580 You know, maybe people would contest that with, oh, you're not well-rounded.

00:45:15.920 You don't have, like, a good grasp on, like, geopolitics.

00:45:18.760 And I'm like, well, yeah, that's intentional because I find it to be extremely silly to advocate for young people who don't have a lot going for them.

00:45:27.600 They maybe have, like, a very low credit score or low income, and they're worried about, you know, foreign wars or something like that.

00:45:35.140 Yeah, yeah.

00:45:35.160 Yeah, I agree.

00:45:35.660 Like, that's something that I've always been extremely outspoken on.

00:45:39.020 Look, civic engagement is good, but these, you know, for a 14-year-old to be, you know, waking up in terror at night because of climate change or some nonsense, some war overseas, I think is totally disordered.

00:45:52.040 So I entirely agree with that.

00:45:53.280 But because you got into this so young, because you're still so young, wouldn't you maybe, couldn't you apply the same kind of reasoning to a young clavicular and say, hey, maybe don't get so obsessed with this one thing so young.

00:46:14.140 Maybe round it out a little bit.

00:46:15.800 Well, the problem is, like we discussed, it's a now or never thing with a lot of these growth pathways.

00:46:20.720 So you can either, you know, optimize them and ascend past what was possible genetically without the intervention of pharmaceuticals, or you can just cope and never have the success that you otherwise could have.

00:46:34.700 How long is the recovery for the jaw surgery?

00:46:36.700 It's going to be about three weeks of extreme swelling, and I would say for 100% of the swelling to go down, it'd be about six months.

00:46:47.720 But after three weeks, like, you're pretty much looking how you, you will.

00:46:54.620 Just a gradual decline in like that final push of swelling.

00:46:58.420 Have any of the doctors said, hey, man, you know, you don't really need this surgery, and this is kind of gratuitous, and maybe you're a little wrong in your thinking here, and maybe, maybe there's even a touch of body dysmorphia?

00:47:13.180 Have any of them suggested that?

00:47:14.640 Um, no, not really.

00:47:18.380 So you just go in, you say, hey, I'm a big beefcake, Chad-looking guy, and I want to give you a bunch of money.

00:47:24.440 How much money does it cost?

00:47:25.660 $35,000.

00:47:26.780 $35,000, okay.

00:47:27.960 So you go in, you say, hey, I'm a 19-year-old guy, I want to give you $35,000 to make me look even more giga-y.

00:47:37.740 Chad.

00:47:38.220 Even more Chad-y.

00:47:39.500 And they just say, okay, thanks, yeah, swipe the Amex here.

00:47:43.020 Well, because nobody, in a lot of cases, the double jaw surgeries that I'm talking about with, like, the cosmetic implants, that's an elective thing, right?

00:47:52.440 Um, sure, certainly double jaw exists as a way to fix, you know, horrible airways and sleep apnea, but in my case-

00:47:59.800 Like, a measurement from a car accident or something.

00:48:01.500 Yeah, right, but a lot of the times it would be just, like, sleep apnea and breathing-related issues would be the main cause for jaw surgery.

00:48:09.080 But that's, like, severe recession and severe, uh, developmental issues.

00:48:14.780 But most people in, you know, the modern era actually do need jaw surgery because they have, you know, dental crowding.

00:48:22.640 They don't have enough space in their mouth to even accommodate for their teeth because of whether it be just poor development, poor breathing habits as a kid.

00:48:30.760 So I would say that the majority of people would actually need jaw surgery to, to fit within the ideals of looks.

00:48:39.860 Where does a 19-year-old get $35,000?

00:48:42.100 Um, so after I got kicked out of college, it was kind of a rough time for me.

00:48:47.300 And what kept me going was, uh, how much I was working.

00:48:50.960 I was working 70, 80 hours a week at a restaurant trying to afford the jaw surgery because I felt like that was my way out in life.

00:48:59.100 Uh, that was how I was gonna ascend and, you know, improve upon everything.

00:49:04.440 Ascend in looks?

00:49:06.020 Ascend in, in every regard.

00:49:07.280 In society?

00:49:07.960 Yeah, just ascend as a person.

00:49:09.700 So you want- when was this?

00:49:11.040 This was in 2020, so last year.

00:49:14.040 This is- this is pretty recent.

00:49:15.440 Yeah.

00:49:15.680 So you get booted out of college, you're working- what was the job?

00:49:19.200 I was working at a restaurant.

00:49:20.380 Working at a restaurant, and you- and you say, okay, the reason I'm working all the time is so that I can afford to improve my jaw with plastic surgery.

00:49:30.240 Yes, because I figured the return on investment would be comically high, right?

00:49:34.180 So you improve that much in looks, the opportunities that are gonna be available to you will absolutely-

00:49:41.040 exceed the $35,000 investment.

00:49:43.580 Where- where do you get your certainty that that's the case?

00:49:47.940 Um, just what I've seen in society, a lot of anecdotes, like, we look at a lot of the come-ups for famous people, they'll get, like, scouted for being, like, famous actors or models.

00:50:00.000 Actors, yes.

00:50:00.500 Like, doing heinous- you know, like, for example, like, Jordan Barrett got scouted to be a model- who's, like, one of the top, like, looks-macks. 0.56

00:50:07.720 People were scouted, like, while he's, like, stealing.

00:50:10.200 Um, there's this other guy named Jeremy Meeks, I don't know if you've heard of.

00:50:13.520 No.

00:50:13.680 Um, so, he committed a felony, and he had a mugshot, um, where a lot of girls on Facebook liked him, thought he was good-looking, so they bailed him out, and then he got a $1 million modeling contract.

00:50:24.960 So, like, that's what's available to you once you hit that top percentile of looks.

00:50:30.280 You could pretty much do anything, and, you know, your life will be easy.

00:50:34.280 Now, would you- I don't know that I- I'm not saying I doubt the stories, but I don't know if I- you would use those stories as the model for life, saying, you know what I gotta do?

00:50:44.160 I gotta be really hot and commit a felony, and that's my pathway to success.

00:50:48.340 Well, it's just being- being that good-looking, being, like, the top, like, 0.01 percentile of men, in terms of looks, it- it's just a guarantee for success.

00:50:58.260 Like, you can't lose. There's really no losing.

00:51:00.580 So, I'm- I- I'm not sure about this. I've got a few more years than you, but maybe you've done more research.

00:51:05.180 With social media? Absolutely. There's no losing when you're that, uh, level of looks.

00:51:09.180 I know- In today's day and age.

00:51:11.020 I know good-looking- look, maybe this is generations past. I know good-looking people, guys and girls, who have not had, uh, much terrestrial success.

00:51:19.900 And I grant you, it's very important in show business, in- in broadcast professions, you know, acting, whatever, but I also know a lot of very, very successful people

00:51:29.980 in the kind of worldly way, and in the spiritual way, and sometimes in both, who are not even close- they are very looks-moderated.

00:51:38.580 They are maybe even looks-minimized. And I know many examples of that, and I do- I- I can think of counterexamples of, like, hot people.

00:51:47.780 I mean, isn't the- this is kind of the- the joke or the meme is, like, the guy and the girl who were really hot, you know, in high school, they don't have a lot of success in their lives.

00:51:57.380 And, you know, the nerd is the one who goes off to school and, uh, I don't know, becomes a billionaire.

00:52:02.380 I mean, that- that seems to be more the stereotype.

00:52:04.380 That's just not what we're seeing in today's day and age with social media.

00:52:07.380 I would say that- that's probably how it was for a while, but now, when you're just o- able to open up Instagram or TikTok and put a picture of yourself when you're that good-looking and, you know, get ex- extreme success and brand deals and stuff like that.

00:52:23.980 And influence it.

00:52:24.980 Yeah.

00:52:25.980 Yeah.

00:52:26.980 So, th- that's like a- a no-brainer, right? It's guaranteed when- when you're good-looking. You don't even have to be an interesting, uh, persona to do well on social media with good looks.

00:52:35.980 Surely you would admit there are plenty of good-looking people on social media who don't get lucrative brand deals.

00:52:42.580 I would say that just, like, where I was, like, working in a restaurant versus, um, you know, achieving success on social media, like, I would have done better, absolutely.

00:52:52.580 So that would have been a return on investment that made sense.

00:52:55.580 Right, no, but I'm-

00:52:56.580 Follow the exact principles.

00:52:57.580 You're saying looking good- if you look really, really good and you have Instagram, that's a guarantee of professional success and lucrative success.

00:53:04.380 And I'm just saying, there are plenty of hot people on social media who aren't that successful.

00:53:08.980 Um, then, you know, that- that's also people who are- are low IQ as well, but, uh, I- I would say that that's a very rare thing.

00:53:15.980 Is that- is that even true?

00:53:17.580 I bet most hot people on social media don't get a lot of likes and certainly don't get branded.

00:53:22.580 Well, what- what are we talking about by hot? Like, good-looking- like, some people think that, like, Sydney Sweeney is, uh, extremely attractive. 0.99

00:53:28.980 Um, I- I would say- I don't want to scandalize anybody, married man- I would say Sydney Sweeney is- is very attractive.

00:53:36.980 I would say that she's pretty malformed. Um, her upper maxilla is extremely recessed, right?

00:53:43.380 She's got the eyes of doom with no infraorbital support. She's really not that much of a looker in her face. 0.99

00:53:49.380 I think that a lot of people with porn brains find her attractive because of her body. 1.00

00:53:53.980 I don't have porn brain. 0.96

00:53:54.980 I don't know. 0.94

00:53:55.580 Well, you tell- you're telling me that- you're telling me-

00:53:57.580 Well, I don't know. 0.97

00:53:58.380 That if a guy finds Sydney Sweeney attractive, he's gotta have porn brain? 1.00

00:54:00.980 No, I- I think that she's, uh, above average in looks, but certainly not that, like, you know- 0.87

00:54:05.380 No, you said she's got a sunken suborbital- I forget the words that you said.

00:54:10.380 Yeah, she's got a recessed, uh, infraorbitals and a recessed upper maxilla. 1.00

00:54:16.380 You're telling me- you go- you go to a bar.

00:54:18.980 I'm just saying she's not the- the pinnacle of looks that I'm talking about to actually succeed on social media.

00:54:24.780 She's average to above average.

00:54:26.780 She's pretty successful. Doesn't that make- doesn't that more bode for my side of the argument?

00:54:30.780 Not really.

00:54:31.780 That looks is not the, uh, one-to-one guarantee of success?

00:54:34.780 No.

00:54:35.780 Even by your, uh, low estimation of how she looks?

00:54:37.780 Well, that doesn't, you know, argue with my principle at all.

00:54:40.780 That if someone is actually the 9 out of 10 looks level that we're talking about, the top percentile, that they'll be famous.

00:54:47.780 I'm just simply stating that she's not that top echelon.

00:54:50.780 So, who's really beautiful?

00:54:53.780 Well, if we're talking about, um, just, like, supermodels-

00:54:58.780 Someone that I- I don't- I wouldn't recognize anybody, but someone that the audience might recognize.

00:55:02.780 Like, we'll talk about, like, supermodels like, you know, Gisele Bundchen and, uh, Taylor Hill.

00:55:07.780 Like, the- the top, like, Victoria-

00:55:09.780 Was she the one- Gisele Bundchen- was she the one married to Tom Brady?

00:55:12.780 Correct. Yes.

00:55:13.780 Right, so-

00:55:14.780 You think she's hotter than Sydney Sweeney? 1.00

00:55:15.780 Absolutely.

00:55:16.780 No. 0.85

00:55:17.780 That's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. 0.91

00:55:18.780 No way. They're different ages, I guess, so maybe I'm grading on a curve. 0.74

00:55:21.780 Yeah, I mean, maybe, like, her recently would probably not be as great, but in her prime, yeah, absolutely.

00:55:27.780 Out- blows out of the water.

00:55:29.780 Why?

00:55:30.780 Well, because of her facial harmony scores, right? It's- there's measurements that you could take of everyone's face to figure out exactly how attractive they are.

00:55:38.780 It's an objective thing. The only thing that would make looks subjective was, like, some people may prefer, like, more tan skin versus pale skin, like we were talking about before, but even then, it's-

00:55:49.780 Well, I- I agree that beauty is an objective thing, so I totally disagree with the modern conception that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

00:55:56.780 It's a cope.

00:55:57.780 I think it's a cope, and I do think, I'm with St. Thomas Aquinas, that part of what is beautiful is- is harmony, you know, is harmonizing. Radiance and things like that.

00:56:05.780 Symmetry. Yeah, so absolutely. So that's simply what I'm stating is, um, you know, there might be a false idea of what's actually that good-looking if, you know, Sidney Sweeney were to apply that principle, start posting on social media without acting, oh, where's my brand deals? It's like, well, you're not who we're talking about.

00:56:22.780 Now, hold on. Why did you conclude that people who think Sidney Sweeney is attractive use pornography? What is it about porn that would lead you to that conclusion?

00:56:32.780 I think a lot of what they like about her is- is, you know, her breasts and probably just her body, and that's generally, like, a- a very, like, gooner porn consumer mentality. 0.98

00:56:44.780 But what about just her face? You know what? You say she doesn't have a pretty face. 1.00

00:56:48.780 I would say that she's probably right on- around average. Wow. Slightly above. 0.64

00:56:53.780 Wow, okay, I would- uh, yeah, I wouldn't agree with that. But-

00:56:56.780 I think if you put her- her head onto just an average chick's body, she would be pretty much invisible outside of, like, you know, a third world country. 0.99

00:57:07.780 Now, okay, I'm very curious about the- the pornification of it all, because it- this ties into what you've been talking about from the beginning, which is your whole, um, looks-maxing journey has- has been online.

00:57:20.780 It's been- it's been revolving around every step of the way. And what is the definitive, I don't know, content of the internet? It's just porn from the earliest days.

00:57:31.780 Well, that's- that's just the- the new look that you're seeing pushed by, I don't know, globalism or whatever is- is, like, the thick thing, um, where you're seeing, like, all these girls who have, like, you know, a lot more body fat. 0.88

00:57:46.780 Um, but their faces might be chubbier, because, you know, they're gonna have more- more fat now in their- their, uh, you know, in their breasts. 0.99

00:57:55.780 So that's kind of just, like, a new thing that's being pushed, and- 0.81

00:57:58.780 You're- in- in- you're saying fat girls are being pushed in pornography? 1.00

00:58:01.780 No, not necessarily fat, just, like, you know, higher body fat, whereas, you know, you would see in, like, the 90s and the early 2000s, like, with modeling, it was, like, a very skinny look, the face was very angular, and, um, that- I would say that porn probably did the most damage to- to, uh, you know, what's pushed.

00:58:20.780 There was a lot of porn in the 90s. I don't know, you weren't around then, but I was around-

00:58:24.780 But it wasn't accessible by every 12-year-old with an iPad.

00:58:27.780 Yeah, well, it wasn't iPads, it was computers, but it- I mean, internet porn, look, there were- there were-

00:58:31.780 It's much worse now, like-

00:58:33.780 It's a lot worse because the internet's faster, but there- there were pieces of legislation to combat this in the 90s.

00:58:38.780 It was the- the Communications Decency Act and the Child Online Protection Act, because there was this flood of porn all over the internet.

00:58:44.780 It really started in the 90s, and they both got shot down by judges, unfortunately.

00:58:48.780 The reason I- the reason the porn thing is interesting to me on this topic is, it's so online.

00:58:55.780 If- all of this is so profoundly online.

00:58:58.780 Mm-hmm.

00:58:59.780 And one of- one of the evils of pornography is it reduces humanity, uh, merely to the physical.

00:59:06.780 I'm very anti-porn myself, yeah. I think it ruins your dopamine system.

00:59:10.780 Um, it's gonna give you a- a very bad perception of- of how women are, you know, in the actual real life. 0.67

00:59:18.780 Because a lot of it's just acting. It's all fake.

00:59:20.780 Yeah. All of fantasy.

00:59:21.780 Yeah, so that- that has done a lot of damage for people, especially with the recent, uh, stuff like OnlyFans.

00:59:27.780 Yeah.

00:59:28.780 And, uh, just how widespread it is. You know, stuff being all over Twitter. It's really not good.

00:59:34.780 And, uh, I'm- I'm simply saying that just, like, the look of- of women, uh, has been vastly altered. 0.78

00:59:42.780 Yeah, I- I certainly agree, or I strongly suspect- what do I know? I haven't- I've read all the studies.

00:59:48.780 But I- I strongly suspect that porn so screws up people's brains that it changes their desires and what they consider attractive.

00:59:54.780 I totally agree with that. Yeah.

00:59:55.780 My- my point, I guess, is one of the evils of pornography is it reduces people who are, you know, these integral human beings with, uh, soul and body.

01:00:05.780 It reduces them to the physical. So it's just, you know, meatbags bumping uglies on a screen. It's even one level abstracted.

01:00:12.780 Yeah. But isn't- isn't that a commonality with looks maxing, which is to reduce the human person down to the level of the physical, the physical being the most important? 0.67

01:00:20.780 Um, I would say that, yeah, uh, it's- it's not far from the truth, you know, but it's just what needs to be done in society.

01:00:30.780 You need to- to improve upon this metric. You know, we could sit here and-

01:00:33.780 Do you- do you, though?

01:00:34.780 You do, yeah.

01:00:35.780 I don't feel like I do. I mean, listen, I- in my mind, I consider-

01:00:38.780 Because you've- you've achieved success in other regards to such a- 1.00

01:00:42.780 Other regards? Are you suggesting I'm not looks maxed?

01:00:45.780 Um, no, I- I would say that, you know, obviously, anyone who does media is- is gonna be reasonably good looking, right? So-

01:00:54.780 Take it. I'll take it.

01:00:55.780 Yeah, so, no, you've- you've achieved this success to such a high level that maybe you could make up for not fully-

01:01:04.780 looks maxing or- or not taking, like, the double jaw surgery route.

01:01:07.780 Right.

01:01:08.780 Like, you know, you're a huge, uh, you know, host of- a massive show, you know, so that status might be able to carry you, uh, rather than, you know, having to- to-

01:01:17.780 Okay, but let's say that I weren't. I appreciate all the compliments, and it's great, and I like- this is nice. I'll take- I'll take it. I'll take a broad, you know, I haven't looks minimized, at least. But let's say that all that wasn't true. And let's say that I were a guy, and I were, uh, I don't know, even more looks minimized. And I w- I was fashion minimized, and I didn't have a show, and I didn't, uh, check certain status markers. And let's say I were just a guy, married-

01:01:46.780 married to a nice gal, and maybe she wasn't even that good looking. Maybe let's say we had a nice family, and we had some kids, and we were living in a house that's fine, but not that nice. And, you know, I made some money, but not a ton, and we had, like, a car that was okay. And we went out to dinner every so often, and maybe we got to go to the beach once a year. And by all of the metrics that we're talking about, you know, I wasn't maxed out at all.

01:02:10.780 But mightn't it very likely be the case that I would be happier, more, more flourishing than the richer, better looking, more professionally successful guy? Or you say, no, that's a fairy tale.

01:02:26.280 Well, yeah, I'd say that's a really nice idea, and, um, like, in theory, potentially, but that's just not what we're seeing in today.

01:02:33.580 I've seen it. I'm not going to call anybody out, but I've seen it.

01:02:36.940 Yeah, I mean, maybe you've seen it once or twice. I'm sure most people watching have, but that's just not what we're seeing on average across the country, right?

01:02:45.140 I'm saying that, yes, I agree with that. On average across the country, I bet that's true.

01:02:50.300 However, the whole country isn't made equal. And so, for instance, if I go to an average bar in Brooklyn, I'm going to get a different sliver of society than if I go to a traditional Latin mass in Wisconsin. 0.53

01:03:06.360 Right.

01:03:06.600 And I guess my point is, it's kind of even silly to create an average of those things, because they're such radically different types of communities.

01:03:15.500 And, uh, everything that I see is that the people who are, especially who are religiously active, but who are civically engaged, who are charitable, who are not thinking about themselves all the time, who are thinking about others and their countrymen, those people tend to be happier.

01:03:29.900 I think they're flourishing on way more levels of success at a higher level than the people who live in this world.

01:03:36.600 Very modern, secular, largely online kind of world. And so, I would just say, if you really wanted to max out your potential, isn't there an argument to say, actually, put down the testosterone, put down the camera, put down the internet, go move to some weirdo parish in the middle of nowhere and find some nice, I've seen, like, not good looking guys marry, like, definitely hotter girls and have, like, a nice family and have a kind of life that isn't even considered on the table in our modern culture.

01:04:06.100 I, you know, I'm sure that we probably agree on most of this stuff, like, what's ideal, like, you know, being super in touch with your faith.

01:04:15.100 But at the end of the day, all the stuff that you're talking about is just idealism. It's not realistic.

01:04:21.420 I'm telling you, I've seen people do it.

01:04:23.100 Yeah.

01:04:23.440 And I regularly see people do it, because I travel a lot.

01:04:25.980 I don't, I wouldn't suggest that that's really the norm.

01:04:28.540 I don't see people do it in Brooklyn. I don't see, I grant you, in a lot of the country, you don't see it.

01:04:32.620 But there are places where it happens, and there are communities where it happens.

01:04:36.920 So don't we have to consider that?

01:04:38.200 But from a sociological lens, just, we're looking at an entire society and the direction we're moving.

01:04:44.320 So, you know, if that's still the case now, which, you know, you've probably seen more than me, you've got a few more years on me.

01:04:51.860 But that's certainly the direction society's headed is towards what I'm talking about.

01:04:56.820 I think you would agree with me there.

01:04:58.240 I would.

01:04:58.640 And I don't think that's a good thing.

01:05:01.540 But in that case, I would say, why would you swim with the stream?

01:05:05.460 Wouldn't you maybe swim against the stream or go jump into a different stream?

01:05:08.480 No, because that's not a realistic outcome, right?

01:05:12.680 Is it not?

01:05:13.860 To what?

01:05:14.800 Take away all the liberties that we've granted women to sort of, you know, cause a lot of detriment to society? 1.00

01:05:21.320 To oppose, to use this example, like, to oppose feminism, I'm not saying we're going to take away the right to vote.

01:05:27.740 I'm saying.

01:05:28.400 Why?

01:05:29.620 Well, you know, we've got to repeal a few more amendments before we get to the 19th.

01:05:33.000 But, look, interesting conversation for another time.

01:05:35.640 Let's say, forgetting about that, let's just say other liberties that women are supposedly have. 1.00

01:05:40.020 The liberty to promiscuity because of hormonal birth control.

01:05:44.620 Right.

01:05:44.820 I would discourage that.

01:05:46.720 I think it's good to discourage that.

01:05:48.380 Yeah.

01:05:48.580 You probably can't pass a law because of a couple of Supreme Court cases, but I would strongly discourage that.

01:05:53.340 The liberty to go just, like, randomly date a bunch of dudes in some city, I would strongly discourage that.

01:05:58.640 The liberty to put off getting married and having kids so that you can go do spreadsheets at the widget factory, I would strongly discourage that.

01:06:04.940 So, to answer your question, I guess the answer is yes, I would discourage a lot of what passes for modern liberty.

01:06:09.660 Oh, no, absolutely.

01:06:10.940 Like, I don't think that the modern world is one that I like to live in at all.

01:06:15.100 But I'm simply stating that you might as well adapt to the times instead of just, like, you know, doing all these copes like political activism when this is just the way that the world is going to go and the way that it's going to continue to go.

01:06:28.220 People have been trying to, you know, turn the tines since the sexual revolution started to happen in the 70s. 0.96

01:06:34.200 And look where that's got us.

01:06:35.760 Right.

01:06:35.960 So, if.

01:06:37.100 Hold on.

01:06:37.580 Hold on.

01:06:37.780 Everything you've been saying is all this, like, very manly, take control of your destiny, even so much so that you're going to alter your huber.

01:06:44.820 On an individual level.

01:06:45.500 Yeah.

01:06:45.760 So, why can't we do it on a political level?

01:06:47.880 That sounds kind of, excuse the phrase, gay to me, to say, like, oh, there's nothing we can do.

01:06:52.640 Like, the elites just control us. 0.91

01:06:53.940 We can't do anything.

01:06:54.840 That's a little bit silly to compare, like, starting a massive political movement rather than, like, individual action.

01:07:02.820 That's a horrible comparison.

01:07:04.260 Why is that?

01:07:06.020 Politics is just a bunch of individuals working together.

01:07:08.180 Because there's a lot of bad actors that don't want to see that occur.

01:07:11.300 So, it's not like you're just fighting against, like, nothing.

01:07:14.300 You're fighting against people who deliberately want society to go.

01:07:17.260 There are a lot of people who don't want individuals to flourish either.

01:07:19.800 Right.

01:07:20.120 So, I mean.

01:07:21.160 How do you divorce the two?

01:07:22.460 My view, Michael, I don't have a liberal view of human beings.

01:07:25.140 I don't think that we're just, like, individuals in isolation.

01:07:28.000 I think we're the political creature, we're social animals, we live together, we work together, we are inclined naturally to live in an ordered society.

01:07:35.600 And so, I think doing politics is the most basic, one of the most basic human impulses.

01:07:41.480 And so, therefore, it's crazy to me to hear, well, you should go improve yourself, but don't try to improve your community.

01:07:50.080 Yeah, because it's a cope.

01:07:51.300 It's not going to happen, right?

01:07:52.820 Where have...

01:07:53.280 Has it not?

01:07:54.100 I mean, look at the conservative movement over the years.

01:07:57.440 It's gone to absolute, you know, so conservatives...

01:08:00.980 There have been wins and there have been losses.

01:08:02.460 I'll give you an example on the sexual revolution. 1.00

01:08:04.400 In 1973, we got this stupid Supreme Court decision, Roe v. Wade, that said you could kill babies. 1.00

01:08:09.360 It was in the Constitution. 0.99

01:08:10.820 And everyone said, you're never going to overturn that.

01:08:13.640 It's impossible to overturn it.

01:08:14.880 It's a cope if you think you're going to overturn it.

01:08:16.520 You guys are wasting your time.

01:08:17.500 You're wasting your breath.

01:08:18.440 It took 50 years, and guess what happened?

01:08:20.300 We overturned it.

01:08:21.020 Okay, now it's a state-to-state thing, right?

01:08:22.840 So, abortion is still very much on the table, so...

01:08:25.940 Yeah, but that's moving the goalposts. 1.00

01:08:27.240 It's a big win, you know what I mean?

01:08:29.260 It's a huge win. 0.94

01:08:30.080 To say that there's a federal constitutional right to kill babies, and then everyone says, 0.55

01:08:36.640 you're never going to overturn that. 1.00

01:08:38.260 You guys are idealistic and ridiculous. 0.99

01:08:40.260 And then we do it. 0.99

01:08:41.340 We actually do overturn it, and everyone says, well, never mind.

01:08:43.640 That wasn't that important anyway.

01:08:44.820 No, now you've got to fight another battle.

01:08:46.160 I agree with that.

01:08:47.060 But I don't know.

01:08:47.760 I noticed the libs don't seem to think that political activism is useless.

01:08:51.160 They seem to think it's very useful, and they've achieved a lot because of it.

01:08:54.420 Well, I'm personally an accelerationist, so I'd like to see where things are going to

01:09:00.200 go, because I can only assume that the dating market is going to get worse and worse, and

01:09:04.560 that's going to probably cause people to harbor some sort of resentment, and it's going to

01:09:09.540 have a lot of intergender issues.

01:09:11.620 Again, I hope this doesn't happen, but that's just kind of what I speculate will occur.

01:09:16.040 Well, hold on.

01:09:16.400 Because when you say you're an accelerationist, I find that very interesting.

01:09:20.680 Accelerationism meaning, look, we've got all these social problems, and things are getting

01:09:24.640 even worse, and so you know what?

01:09:25.980 Let's just immunitize the eschaton. 0.75

01:09:28.160 Let's bring it up to the end.

01:09:29.240 Let it all fall apart, and then we can finally rebuild something good.

01:09:31.580 Yeah.

01:09:32.320 So you say, I'm an accelerationist on the one hand, but you say, I don't want that

01:09:35.760 to happen on the other.

01:09:38.320 That's a contradiction.

01:09:40.480 Yeah.

01:09:41.000 I mean, I'm talking about the resentment.

01:09:43.140 I'm not talking about...

01:09:44.180 But that's part of the acceleration, is we all go to war with each other, and everything

01:09:47.740 goes apart.

01:09:47.800 Well, just because I want that to happen doesn't mean I really have a lot of hope that the

01:09:55.920 two genders have a lot of conflict, but I hope that we can accelerate to the point where

01:10:01.040 we could start to rebuild the society and the dating market, because it's only going to

01:10:05.380 slip further and further.

01:10:06.260 I think the conservative movement, to a large degree, is a complete joke.

01:10:10.760 And I would say that it's...

01:10:11.160 Yeah, for a long time, I agree with that.

01:10:12.920 I'd say that now it's probably stronger than it was a few years ago, but largely a joke.

01:10:19.800 You should have seen it before Trump.

01:10:21.080 Yeah.

01:10:21.480 You should have seen it before Trump.

01:10:22.960 So if, you know, the stuff that I'm talking about really doesn't have...

01:10:27.820 I would say it's probably more of a right-wing thing in theory, but there's really no political

01:10:34.480 party attached to it.

01:10:35.600 And if it is the right, that's supposed to be, you know, protecting us from slipping

01:10:40.560 into this degeneracy that we're talking about.

01:10:42.680 No, we're in the degeneracy.

01:10:43.800 Right.

01:10:44.000 There's no protecting us from slipping.

01:10:45.480 We've been in the degeneracy for a long time.

01:10:47.080 Well, going further, and if that's the right's job, I don't really have a lot of hope.

01:10:50.840 That's why I'm someone who's saying, yeah, individualism is good.

01:10:54.280 Adapt to the society that we live in, because that's the highest chance of success.

01:10:59.200 Adapt to the...

01:10:59.780 But hold on.

01:11:00.180 You're saying the society is getting more degenerate.

01:11:02.580 Mm-hmm.

01:11:03.760 Adapt to the society.

01:11:05.340 Mm-hmm.

01:11:06.260 But also don't be degenerate.

01:11:08.380 You see the conflict between those things.

01:11:10.680 Who's saying don't be...

01:11:12.960 You're saying to be degenerate.

01:11:14.120 I'm just saying it's...

01:11:15.140 You know, what you're talking about, about degeneracy and, like, you know, the hypergamy

01:11:19.920 stuff, it's not ideal, but I'm saying that's just how it is.

01:11:24.880 Oh, interesting.

01:11:25.760 Okay, I misunderstood your point.

01:11:28.260 So you're saying, look, the conservative movement has had all these failures, totally 0.91

01:11:33.740 agree, and we've fallen into this degenerate society, and that sucks, totally agree. 0.92

01:11:39.360 But that's just how it is.

01:11:40.680 But then your answer is, so, you know, if you can't beat them, join them, basically.

01:11:46.600 Essentially, yeah.

01:11:48.180 It's kind of Doomer.

01:11:50.320 Well, is it?

01:11:51.220 I mean, like, really, it just seems like such a cope to be, like, you know, going to all

01:11:56.280 these political action events as, like, your average guy.

01:11:59.900 Like, maybe you have this perspective because you've got your own show and you've got a lot

01:12:05.020 more influence over the way that the country goes than just your average guy, but if you're

01:12:09.580 just, like, one of the average viewers who's got no voice, who could risk potentially

01:12:14.620 losing their job for saying the wrong thing in politics, I'm saying that they shouldn't

01:12:19.780 really be concerning themselves with trying to change the tide of society.

01:12:24.880 Well, look, people have a voice in as much as they vote.

01:12:27.580 They have more of a voice than ever because of social media and new media.

01:12:30.960 Until they get banned and fired from their jobs.

01:12:33.360 Yeah, there was a lot of that.

01:12:34.340 And then we stopped a lot of that.

01:12:36.340 I mean, Elon helped stop that when he bought Twitter.

01:12:38.380 Still happens.

01:12:39.240 But it happens to some degree.

01:12:40.620 It's gotten a lot better.

01:12:41.420 And I guess my point is, if this individualism and political quietism from the right is what

01:12:51.380 led us into this mess in the first place because it emboldened and empowered the left to screw

01:12:56.560 up the whole society from dating elsewhere, then wouldn't doing more of the same only make

01:13:04.320 things worse?

01:13:05.180 Well, was it really individualism that caused the huge decline in the right?

01:13:09.220 I'm just talking about from a self-improvement perspective and just overall context of how

01:13:14.980 you should live your life as a man.

01:13:16.880 And, you know, maybe you're right about that.

01:13:20.160 But I just don't think it's necessarily a bad thing to just advocate for your average

01:13:25.240 person to only concern themselves with their own.

01:13:29.660 To me, that's the big cope.

01:13:31.300 I agree with many of the observations you're making about the society.

01:13:34.360 But the big cope, you heard this with like the libs when they were trying to push the

01:13:38.400 trans stuff and they were upset that some of us were pushing against it.

01:13:41.340 And they said, how does this affect you?

01:13:43.460 You know, you're walking out, it's basically your society is Sodom and Gomorrah.

01:13:47.260 And they say, well, how does it affect you if I decide I want to like castrate little 0.82

01:13:51.320 kids into school and redefine marriage and slaughter babies and sacrifice them to Moloch? 0.89

01:13:56.020 And how does that affect you?

01:13:57.160 You just mind your own business.

01:13:58.140 And I think, how about I don't mind my own business?

01:14:00.340 How about, actually, how about my business is my community and I have a right to enforce

01:14:04.860 standards and norms that are good and traditional and conducive to flourishing?

01:14:08.340 And how about you mind your own business?

01:14:10.160 But the problem is, you see what you just did there is you spiked your cortisol. 0.92

01:14:12.860 Thinking about transgenders. 1.00

01:14:15.060 Will that max anything on me? 0.97

01:14:17.080 No, that's a very catabolic hormone.

01:14:19.820 So if you're advocating for people to go around and concern themselves with these issues or go

01:14:26.300 to school board conferences and be outspoken about this, that's just largely going to be

01:14:33.900 unproductive.

01:14:34.580 And, you know, it might seem like a doomer mentality or like, you know, you're just going to let 0.98

01:14:39.920 society go to sh**.

01:14:41.340 It's like, on an individual level, it's just, it's not going to be productive. 0.98

01:14:45.280 But on a political, right.

01:14:47.280 Well, look, it's been productive in as much as, at least the trans thing, there's so many 1.00

01:14:50.920 other problems.

01:14:51.360 At least the trans things, though. 1.00

01:14:52.680 We've kind of won on that.

01:14:54.020 Well, the way that I see trainees is like, that's one more person to mug once they brutally

01:14:58.900 butcher themselves transitioning, you know?

01:15:02.680 But isn't, you know, I see that.

01:15:04.520 Like, go descend yourself.

01:15:05.940 Like, that's fine with me.

01:15:06.980 Because you're ascending yourself.

01:15:08.240 Yeah, I'm going to ascend and this person is going to be a comical botch job, you know?

01:15:12.200 So like, that just seems like very logical to me. 0.96

01:15:14.340 Like, yeah, go be a tranny. 1.00

01:15:15.920 Like, now I mug you to death. 0.99

01:15:17.800 Now, isn't, yes, I see it. 0.94

01:15:21.540 Isn't, isn't that a bit cruel to the, like, for instance, my view of the tranny, people 1.00

01:15:26.260 think I want to commit a genocide on the trannies. 1.00

01:15:28.380 In fact, media outlets have written that, which is totally ridiculous. 0.98

01:15:32.860 My opposition to the transgender ideology is that I think it's false. 0.65

01:15:37.480 It's bad for everyone involved. 0.97

01:15:39.180 And at a very real level, I love trannies. 1.00

01:15:45.100 That's the part that's going to get clipped.

01:15:46.320 But I love, I love the trannies in the sense that they're my countrymen, they're fellow human

01:15:51.100 beings, they're children of God.

01:15:52.440 It, I don't want them to do things that are bad for them.

01:15:55.360 I don't want to, like, spike the football or spike my cortisol and just mug all over

01:15:59.380 them.

01:15:59.680 I want them to live lives that are good and flourishing.

01:16:02.600 And, and so I, and I also don't want them to scandalize whole generations of kids into

01:16:08.400 thinking they can be the opposite sex and screw up my society further. 1.00

01:16:10.920 So there's a little bit of a selfish aspect, but there's a common good view and there's

01:16:13.820 even charity for the other person.

01:16:15.480 Don't we have to have charity for, for these other people, even if they're descended trannies? 1.00

01:16:19.900 No, not necessarily.

01:16:21.020 Think about all the time that you've spent throughout your entire life talking about 0.91

01:16:25.680 trannies. 0.98

01:16:26.800 What if you were to dedicate all that time to bone smashing?

01:16:31.300 You know, imagine where you could have been.

01:16:33.020 Is that a euphemism?

01:16:34.200 No, bone smashing.

01:16:35.240 What is bone smashing?

01:16:36.460 That sounds like what the trannies do. 1.00

01:16:37.800 No, it's where you induce microfractures.

01:16:40.220 And this principle follows Wolf's law that a bone is going to grow back stronger, you

01:16:46.000 know, after you do these localized micro traumas.

01:16:49.320 So you're, you're going to lay in your bed to brace your head for CTE and you're going

01:16:53.280 to bone smash.

01:16:55.580 You're going to lay in your bed and brace your head for CTE is, isn't that like brain

01:16:59.300 damage?

01:16:59.820 Well, no.

01:17:00.140 So that's why you lay in your bed and that's going to grow your facial bones. 0.94

01:17:04.160 You, you smash, like you punch yourself in the face? 0.95

01:17:06.780 Yeah. 0.99

01:17:07.060 If I punch myself in the face, I'm going to get like a nice mute up jaw? 0.94

01:17:12.180 Yeah. 0.96

01:17:12.580 According to Wolf's law, right?

01:17:14.480 Do you punch yourself in the face?

01:17:15.680 Yes. 0.87

01:17:17.220 How hard?

01:17:19.200 Um, like reasonably.

01:17:22.880 Just your fist?

01:17:24.220 Yeah.

01:17:24.960 I used to use a hammer, but, um, my parents would, would go into my bathroom and take it

01:17:30.140 away.

01:17:30.880 So that was, uh. 1.00

01:17:32.320 You would hit yourself in the head with a hammer. 0.98

01:17:34.280 Yeah, I know. 1.00

01:17:34.780 It sounds, it sounds a little silly.

01:17:36.340 Like people are going to think I'm trolling, but this is all like on YouTube.

01:17:39.840 Like you can find this stuff.

01:17:43.180 I almost don't want to ask.

01:17:44.500 Did it work?

01:17:45.320 Yeah, absolutely.

01:17:46.600 Yes.

01:17:47.460 Yeah.

01:17:47.640 Bone smashing is legit.

01:17:48.640 I mean, you even take a look at like, uh, UFC fighters, like their brow ridge over

01:17:52.640 their career or x-rays of their shin.

01:17:55.080 And like there's massive amounts of hypertrophy in their bones.

01:17:57.700 Is that, are there any downsides to hitting yourself in the head with a hammer?

01:18:03.320 No.

01:18:05.160 No, as long as you have proper bracing, you're going to be fine.

01:18:07.800 But that's what I mean.

01:18:08.600 That's just like one example of something that you could do instead of political activism.

01:18:14.200 It's bone smashing.

01:18:14.860 You know, I'll tell you, sometimes in my political activism, I would rather hit myself in the 0.99

01:18:19.220 head with a hammer. 0.99

01:18:20.200 Without question.

01:18:21.360 Yeah, so that's what I mean.

01:18:22.560 Like just dedicating your time, uh, to ascending as an individual instead of like coping and

01:18:28.180 cortisol spiking about like liberalism and trannies. 0.99

01:18:32.420 It's like, that's just what's going to happen anyway. 0.91

01:18:34.320 Like people are retarded to, uh, for the most part and they're going to- 1.00

01:18:38.780 You sound like that Indian guru in the Midwest. 0.99

01:18:41.200 So democracy is the government for the people, but the people are retarded. 1.00

01:18:44.960 Right. 0.72

01:18:45.320 So it's like, I see all like these conservative commentators trying to, you know, stop people

01:18:51.160 from like doing drugs and, you know, weak-willed people, uh, it's just kind of like Darwinism.

01:18:57.140 It's like natural selection to me.

01:18:59.220 If, if people want to be like addicted to opioids, like, I don't think we should be spending

01:19:03.640 like taxpayer resources to like build like, you know, addiction clinics and try to pass

01:19:09.580 legislation. 1.00

01:19:10.700 We should just let them kill themselves if they want. 1.00

01:19:12.320 Like essentially. 1.00

01:19:13.580 Yeah.

01:19:14.860 I mean, and you got to just focus on, on maximizing yourself as an individual.

01:19:20.460 But what if I, what if maximizing myself as an individual in, in my perception involves,

01:19:27.220 uh, growing in charity and, uh, what if it involves, um, ameliorating the political and

01:19:34.160 social conditions in my country and what if part of that means that I want to help other

01:19:39.440 people instead of letting them kill themselves with opioids?

01:19:42.800 Um, well then I would, I would say that that's going to be a very futile cope.

01:19:47.520 You don't think you can help people?

01:19:49.500 You don't think anything can improve?

01:19:52.140 Uh.

01:19:52.700 The Bolsheviks are about to overrun Iberia. 0.87

01:19:54.280 I don't think that, I don't think that I can do anything.

01:19:56.700 I don't, I don't think that anyone watching could do anything.

01:19:59.680 I don't think it's likely that even someone with as, as big of a reach as, as you can necessarily

01:20:05.460 influence.

01:20:06.160 Could Donald Trump do something?

01:20:07.060 That, that's even tough to say with just, like, the blockade you face with, like, you

01:20:14.040 know, all the different branches of power, and.

01:20:17.320 Let me use an example.

01:20:18.900 Could we have, just hypothetically, the largest demographic transformation in the history of

01:20:23.600 the world take place over 60 years in the United States, from 1965 onward, and then have

01:20:28.540 an, an entirely open border that floods the country with some three million people per

01:20:32.340 year foreigners, highest percentage of foreign born ever in the United States, and then could 1.00

01:20:36.620 a guy come into office, and even with all of the obstacles in his way, uh, uh, preside

01:20:44.700 over an immigration regime that gets rid of two million of those people in a single year?

01:20:49.980 Could that happen?

01:20:50.900 Yes, obviously that did happen.

01:20:52.580 That would seem to be a.

01:20:54.060 Two million out of how many?

01:20:55.580 Two million out of.

01:20:56.660 How many?

01:20:56.900 Well, it's unknown, but it's anywhere from, I don't know, 15 to 30 or something.

01:20:59.900 Right, so exactly.

01:21:00.640 In one year, that's pretty good. 60 years of problems, two million in one year, that's

01:21:05.020 pretty good.

01:21:06.040 Yeah, but I mean, like, this next election cycle, who's gonna win?

01:21:09.720 It's gonna be Gavin Newsom against J.D. Vance, because J.D. Vance is subhuman, and Gavin

01:21:14.860 Newsom-Uggs.

01:21:16.040 J.D. Vance is subhuman?

01:21:17.860 Yeah.

01:21:18.300 What makes you say that?

01:21:20.000 Uh, he's got a very short total facial width to height ratio, he's obese, uh, very recessed

01:21:27.200 side profile, whereas Newsom is, like, 6'3", Chad, so.

01:21:31.580 So you're, J.D.'s very tall.

01:21:33.080 J.D.'s gotta be 6'2", 6'3".

01:21:35.640 Well, still, I mean, Gavin Newsom obviously mogs him to death.

01:21:38.300 So you're a Newsom head.

01:21:39.780 You prefer Newsom to the vice president.

01:21:41.220 I'm just telling you who's gonna win.

01:21:43.160 Do you prefer him, though?

01:21:44.160 Um, honestly, it's hard to say, but Newsom being that much more of a mogger, and, like,

01:21:55.760 having a president who's, like, fat, and especially that young. 0.53

01:22:00.080 You think he's, I don't think he's fat. 0.95

01:22:01.320 I would say he's.

01:22:01.800 He's a bigger guy, for sure. 0.74

01:22:03.040 It's just, like, it's just embarrassing, like, how are you, you fat, and you expect to, 0.74

01:22:07.080 like, lead a country, you can't even be in shape, you know? 0.90

01:22:10.140 So you, like, you got, let's say you got a vote.

01:22:13.220 It's 2028.

01:22:14.440 I'm voting for Gavin Newsom.

01:22:15.760 You're voting for Gavin Newsom?

01:22:16.940 You can't be that, you can't be that subhuman.

01:22:19.040 So you, hold on, you got, all right, well, this actually is of a thread with the whole

01:22:24.300 conversation, because you look at these two candidates.

01:22:27.280 You have Gavin Newsom, worst governor in the country, I think we would all agree, destroyed

01:22:30.360 his state, let its main city burn to the ground because of his incompetence, is a personal, 0.99

01:22:35.100 complete derelict liar, degenerate, but he is good-looking. 0.99

01:22:38.520 I'll grant you that he's good-looking. 0.99

01:22:39.940 Yeah.

01:22:40.080 And he kind of looks like Patrick Bateman, American Psycho.

01:22:42.300 And then, and then you have this vice president to President Trump, the transformative right-wing

01:22:46.980 president in our lifetimes, who, do you support Trump or no?

01:22:50.600 Yeah.

01:22:51.100 Okay.

01:22:51.500 So you got, and you got this vice president, handpicked by Trump, who is extremely intelligent,

01:22:56.520 very right-wing.

01:22:59.000 I think he's a pretty good-looking guy.

01:23:00.700 I don't know, maybe you, I guess you disagree.

01:23:02.920 But he's all these things, checks all these boxes, would have all these great policies.

01:23:05.580 And regardless, you're going to pick the pro-mass migrant, pro-trans, pro-murder-the-babies, 0.97

01:23:14.520 pro-burn-the-cities-to-the-ground, pro-BLM Democrat, because he's skinnier than the conservative 0.56

01:23:21.740 vice president.

01:23:22.380 One hundred times over.

01:23:24.700 Yeah.

01:23:25.920 All right.

01:23:26.480 I can't argue with that, I guess.

01:23:27.380 It just goes to show, like, who you are as a person.

01:23:29.580 I think it does.

01:23:30.740 Not to mention, you look at, like, J.D. Vance, I'd say he's probably more concerned

01:23:35.540 with, like, doing trips to India and, like, you know, taking pictures in front of the Taj

01:23:40.340 Mahal than actual politics. 0.78

01:23:42.460 Is he?

01:23:42.840 I don't know.

01:23:43.060 I think he's done that, like, once.

01:23:45.000 He's done actual politics for, I don't know, like, a decade.

01:23:47.840 Well, the guys, and regardless of my opinion, I'm just telling you that because of the halo 0.96

01:23:53.380 effect and the subconscious bias, it really doesn't, politics is not about, like, good

01:23:57.360 policy anymore.

01:23:58.340 It's just about, like, rhetoric and presentation.

01:24:01.400 That's, like, a very, like, obvious thing in my opinion.

01:24:03.820 Is that true?

01:24:04.620 I would say so.

01:24:05.300 I would say that if it weren't for Trump's rhetoric and charisma, he wouldn't have won

01:24:11.020 in 2016.

01:24:12.300 You don't think his policies, this is where I totally disagree also.

01:24:16.280 People who vote for Trump don't even know what he stands for.

01:24:18.800 I don't think that's true.

01:24:19.520 I don't think it gives nearly enough credit to voters, and I think it ignores trends in

01:24:22.860 the West.

01:24:23.380 Yeah, I think he won because people are sick of the mass migration.

01:24:26.420 I think he won because people are sick of elite economic policies that don't benefit

01:24:30.180 working Americans who sold him out. 0.77

01:24:31.460 I think he won because people don't like the weird sex stuff and making everything gay 1.00

01:24:35.040 and trans. 0.63

01:24:35.640 I think he won.

01:24:37.020 The consensus view in the liberal media is that Trump won despite his policies because

01:24:42.240 he had fiery rhetoric, and I think that's total BS.

01:24:44.580 I think he had popular policies.

01:24:46.560 I think that's why the Brexit passed.

01:24:47.900 I think that's why right-wing parties are rising in Europe.

01:24:49.980 I think voters are a lot smarter than you're giving them credit for.

01:24:52.180 I think if Trump were to run for the opposing party and Hillary were to run for the conservative

01:24:59.000 party, I think we would have had Trump win as a Democratic election.

01:25:04.080 That's like saying if up were down.

01:25:05.540 I mean, how do you, what does that even mean?

01:25:06.860 You're saying just based on looks.

01:25:08.540 Yeah, just based on charisma, looks, and Gavin Newsom absolutely blows Vance out of the

01:25:14.360 water with all of these things.

01:25:17.660 So it doesn't really matter.

01:25:19.220 And you would vote, even if you go with that premise, you're saying that's so persuasive,

01:25:25.840 you would vote for him. 0.61

01:25:26.680 You, who is ostensibly a right-winger, you'd vote for one of the most left-wing and incompetent 0.97

01:25:31.120 governors in the country because you think he's sexier.

01:25:33.100 Um, no, that's not really what I'm saying at all.

01:25:36.820 I thought that's what you said.

01:25:37.500 You'd vote for Newsom 100 out of 100 times.

01:25:39.520 Well, because it just, and also Vance isn't really like someone who's deserving of any

01:25:44.680 right-winger's vote.

01:25:45.720 I mean, like policy-wise.

01:25:47.200 Oh, so you actually have like a real personal problem with Vance.

01:25:50.180 It's not just that you don't like, you don't think he's as hot as Newsom.

01:25:53.120 I think when you phrase it like that, it like tries to make it into like somewhat of a 0.75

01:25:59.340 attack mechanism and like call it looks-maxing, like homosexual. 0.91

01:26:03.100 Oh, you're just like voting for him because he's sexy?

01:26:05.100 It's like, no, we're talking about, you know, subconscious biases and like the halo effect.

01:26:08.960 No, no, no, but I'm sorry.

01:26:09.800 When you, you said, you said, uh, the vice president doesn't deserve a right-winger's

01:26:13.960 vote.

01:26:14.380 So now we're, we're not talking about looks.

01:26:16.400 Now you're talking about, you have a deeper issue of Vance.

01:26:18.940 You know, yeah, but you know, that, that's not really something that we would have time

01:26:23.500 to discuss today.

01:26:24.260 We have plenty of time.

01:26:25.060 Um, yeah, but I, I'm more of like a looks-max guy rather than a policy guy.

01:26:30.500 So you don't want to talk about it?

01:26:31.400 Not, not necessarily, but what I'm simply-

01:26:34.440 I wonder why.

01:26:35.160 But what I'm simply stating is that, you know, this is a subconscious bias across a society

01:26:41.840 of voters and I'm predicting that Gavin Newsom is going to win because he is objectively,

01:26:48.260 uh, more harmonious facially and it just kind of tries to take away-

01:26:53.120 I wonder, I wonder if that's a bit of cope for these deeper reasons that you don't want

01:26:56.660 to talk about.

01:26:57.880 What?

01:26:58.220 That I don't like J.D. Vance?

01:26:59.740 Well, yeah, I mean, because you're saying it's all about looks, but it's actually about

01:27:02.740 these deeper reasons, but I don't want to talk about these deeper reasons.

01:27:05.160 Well, we can, we can talk about, well, we could talk about J.D. Vance.

01:27:08.600 Like, I think J.D. Vance, would he be a better candidate and probably closer, uh, to me in

01:27:15.320 terms of policy than Gavin Newsom?

01:27:17.920 Yes, but he's just not going to be good enough to, to be deserving.

01:27:21.600 I, I think the right has kind of let down, uh, the voters for the longest time.

01:27:26.920 So I think, uh, I'm, I, I don't really think that right-wingers should just give support

01:27:31.040 to these jesters, uh, who continue to, uh, under-deliver on their promises, um, you know,

01:27:37.840 just let the Democrats win.

01:27:39.460 That, that's kind of what I'm talking about in terms of just like why I don't support Vance

01:27:43.160 as, as a voter, but-

01:27:45.100 So you're saying no, they shouldn't vote for any Republican.

01:27:48.040 The right-wingers should not vote for the Republican.

01:27:49.980 Not until the right actually wants to do the things that they are promising, um-

01:27:54.100 So is there a candidate you would prefer?

01:27:55.880 I assume you don't actually want to vote for Newsom.

01:27:57.820 Maybe you do.

01:27:58.520 Maybe you are a Democrat.

01:27:59.280 No, no.

01:27:59.420 No, okay.

01:27:59.920 So you, so then who's a right-winger you want to vote for?

01:28:04.600 Hmm.

01:28:06.240 Or maybe there isn't one.

01:28:07.700 No, yeah, there really isn't one.

01:28:09.680 Let's-

01:28:11.280 It's kind of Doomer, isn't it?

01:28:13.060 So now you're saying if you're a real hardcore giga-chad right-winger, you should let the 0.98

01:28:18.000 Democrats rape your country. 0.97

01:28:19.980 Well, yeah, you kind of have to. 0.99

01:28:21.480 Like, that's the accelerationist mentality.

01:28:23.580 Because like, look, what is the right going to do other than just like a small win here

01:28:28.120 and like, you know, maybe overturn Roe v. Wade on like a federal level, but abortion is still

01:28:33.820 allowed, uh, like state to state.

01:28:36.160 So it's like, it really doesn't do anything.

01:28:37.820 It's like, if these people are just going to like continue-

01:28:40.100 Maybe you deport 2 million people, maybe you restore- 1.00

01:28:42.600 Okay, but there's still 28 million more, right?

01:28:44.820 So until these people like actually want to make changes that matter, right?

01:28:49.560 I think 2 million people matters.

01:28:51.020 I think, uh-

01:28:52.200 Does it in a country of how many people?

01:28:54.480 Like, what are we-

01:28:55.480 330 million or so.

01:28:56.480 Exactly.

01:28:57.060 So it's like, this is, we're not really making any progress here.

01:29:00.940 So for the RNC to just demand voters to continue to show up, uh, for what really?

01:29:07.860 It's just, that's the cope, right?

01:29:09.960 That's what I'm simply advocating for.

01:29:12.200 Until like the policies change and like the rhetoric is a little better.

01:29:16.360 How would the policies change?

01:29:17.300 This is what I'm confused about is, had a Democrat won, it just used this past year, had a Democrat

01:29:22.940 won, we would get, just judging by Biden's policies, it was Biden's vice president who

01:29:27.080 was running, you would add 3 million illegal aliens to the country.

01:29:31.940 Because, uh, Trump won, not only do you not add 3 million, you lose 2 million.

01:29:38.800 So now you have a net change of 5 million potential foreigners who would be in the United States

01:29:43.660 over the course of one year.

01:29:45.520 And you're saying, yeah, it's not good enough.

01:29:47.460 Sorry, Brett.

01:29:47.800 It's not, it really is not good enough.

01:29:49.320 So what are you doing?

01:29:50.380 What am I doing?

01:29:51.180 Yeah.

01:29:51.660 I'm realizing that society is going one direction and I'm trying to improve myself as much as

01:29:56.680 possible so that I could succeed, uh, financially so that I can improve my status and, uh, improve

01:30:02.960 my quality of life.

01:30:04.360 Do you think you will succeed if your country goes to hell in a handbasket? 0.77

01:30:09.560 Um, yeah. 0.85

01:30:11.640 Yeah.

01:30:11.920 I don't, so, like, what are we talking about here with the immigration?

01:30:16.720 It's like I'm not competing in the job market with illegal aliens or Mexico, so it really 0.99

01:30:21.580 doesn't concern me, you know?

01:30:23.940 Well, who are you competing with?

01:30:25.520 Other people on social media.

01:30:27.280 Right.

01:30:27.740 You're, you're, you're in this particular field.

01:30:29.440 Okay, but if your country is no longer safe, if, uh, your country, uh, is no longer conducive

01:30:36.880 to raising a family, if your country is, uh, no longer the global reserve currency such

01:30:43.000 that your wealth is not quite as secure as it's been in the past, uh, isn't your personal

01:30:49.140 success precarious?

01:30:50.280 Well, things need to get so bad that people are just like, okay, we're fine with having,

01:30:55.740 like, the National Guard in, in major cities, things like that.

01:30:59.340 Yeah.

01:30:59.640 And that's not gonna occur unless people just, like, stop voting for Republicans who just,

01:31:05.400 like, maybe slow down, like, you know, the progress of the left a little bit across a few

01:31:10.820 elections, uh, but they're not, they're not doing enough.

01:31:13.360 What's very interesting, I totally disagree with everything you're saying, but what's

01:31:16.820 very interesting about it is by, by saying, look, I, not only am I apathetic, I want the

01:31:23.940 Democrats to win because, because they're gonna be bad, because they're gonna screw up

01:31:27.980 the country, and then we'll have a revolution, it'll be good again.

01:31:31.360 Right.

01:31:31.720 What's so, what's interesting about that to me is it reflects something quite real and

01:31:35.380 I think quite understandable, which is the alienation, especially among young men, especially

01:31:40.480 among young right-wing men, from the country that, at a very high levels in popular media 0.99

01:31:45.980 and government, has, has told that group of people that they suck for, like, 30 years. 0.99

01:31:50.220 Mm-hmm. 0.99

01:31:50.580 That I totally resonate with.

01:31:52.760 So, how widespread do you think that alienation is?

01:31:56.040 I would say that, um, the reason that I have the success I do is because it's almost in every

01:32:03.600 kid my age who, in, in the same demographic, is people are tired of, you know,

01:32:10.100 being banned on social media, people are, are tired of...

01:32:13.680 Being called toxic.

01:32:14.680 Right, you know, the government not advocating for them whatsoever, so I would say that it's

01:32:20.580 probably more common than not.

01:32:23.080 Yeah, I, I kind of agree with that, but I don't know, I'm a little more hopeful about

01:32:27.160 it.

01:32:27.280 Like, when I, when I talk to young Zoomers all around the country, I find they're, they're 1.00

01:32:33.340 much more right-wing than they were even 10 years ago, which I like.

01:32:36.460 I think they're much more serious about the political situation.

01:32:40.880 I think they're grappling with real issues that previously they were afraid to talk about

01:32:44.340 because they didn't want to be called racist or whatever.

01:32:46.520 Mm-hmm.

01:32:48.060 So, I find all of that to be encouraging.

01:32:50.100 I guess I come to the opposite conclusion that you've come to, which is, I don't know,

01:32:54.720 what if we got, what if we got, like, 12 more years of this kind of government that

01:32:59.480 we're getting now?

01:33:00.160 If you get 12 more years of deporting 2 million people a year, by my calculation, that's 24 million

01:33:04.600 people, if you get 12 more years of judges, then I see much more success on the abortion 0.99

01:33:10.420 issue.

01:33:10.960 If you get 12 more years of declining support for same-sex marriage, for instance, and maybe

01:33:15.620 a restitution of the meaning of marriage, that seems pretty good.

01:33:19.280 If you get 12 more years of ending affirmative action, which the Supreme Court also recently

01:33:22.940 did in college admissions, and actually punishing the schools who still insist upon discriminating

01:33:27.020 against, especially white guys, Asian students too.

01:33:29.420 If you get, if you just keep stacking those wins, it seems to me not unreasonable that

01:33:34.940 you have a much better country.

01:33:36.380 It's very unreasonable.

01:33:37.280 I mean, do you honestly believe that J.D. Vance is going to be the next president?

01:33:41.320 Yeah.

01:33:42.100 Yeah, I do.

01:33:42.540 You actually believe that?

01:33:43.240 It's contingent on the economy doing well, but yeah, I do.

01:33:45.820 I would probably bet every lesson I own that Gavin Newsom would win.

01:33:50.820 You think, first of all, you think Newsom will win the primary?

01:33:53.480 Yeah, absolutely.

01:33:55.140 I think he's going to be the next president.

01:33:56.980 You think the Democratic Party is going to, I grant his mogging, you think they're going 1.00

01:34:03.020 to nominate over a black woman, Kamala Wonsett, over a gay guy, Buttigieg Wonsett, over Gretchen

01:34:09.860 Whitmer, whatever she is, you think they're going to nominate a good-looking white man? 0.99

01:34:15.920 Yeah, because they realize we're not there yet as a country.

01:34:18.540 Like, no one wants to vote for, like, a woman. 1.00

01:34:21.920 You know, there's still a lot of, like, moderate Democrats who are just like, okay, this 0.96

01:34:25.600 is silly.

01:34:27.160 So they probably... 0.77

01:34:28.600 You think there's a lot of moderate Democrats?

01:34:30.220 Yeah.

01:34:30.440 I don't see a lot of moderate Democrats.

01:34:32.260 Who think that we're not there yet to, like, put women forward as a... 0.74

01:34:36.440 Like, that's...

01:34:36.900 They've nominated women for their last two. 0.98

01:34:38.560 Yeah, they've not, but they haven't won.

01:34:40.620 Right.

01:34:41.100 So I think...

01:34:41.520 I agree they're wrong.

01:34:43.800 I'm just wondering what makes you think they've realized that.

01:34:46.260 I think the DNC is going to be like, okay, we're just not here yet.

01:34:50.100 I think they still think that, you know, a woman should be president, which is absurd

01:34:53.960 to me.

01:34:55.240 But they're going to be like, okay, this is not where the voters are yet.

01:34:58.220 We're going to put ahead Gavin Newsom.

01:35:01.880 Interesting.

01:35:02.400 Look, maybe he could...

01:35:03.540 That would just be basic strategy.

01:35:05.040 And that would be like...

01:35:05.780 Yes, I agree that would be a reasonable basic strategy.

01:35:08.160 I don't think they do that.

01:35:09.100 I don't think that a competent party apparatus that wasn't totally beholden to its most lunatic

01:35:15.800 fringe would have, one, even pushed out Joe Biden, two, thought Kamala Harris had a 1.00

01:35:20.620 chance, three, thought Hillary Clinton had a chance, four, run Jasmine Crockett for Senate, 1.00

01:35:25.120 five, think that AOC is going to take a Senate seat in New York or run for president herself. 1.00

01:35:29.120 Well, she's at least a little better looking than Kamala, quite frankly. 1.00

01:35:31.860 Is she looks maxed?

01:35:34.520 Not looks maxed, but she's got Kamala B, that's for sure. 1.00

01:35:37.340 So Kamala is not only a woman, but she's an ugly one at that. 1.00

01:35:42.700 So the DNC's got to, they've got to know by now. 0.95

01:35:46.560 I think they're not going to make the same mistake that they did, which is why Gavin

01:35:50.440 will definitely get the primary.

01:35:52.160 You ever see young Hillary, like pictures of younger Hillary?

01:35:54.820 She wasn't too bad.

01:35:56.120 Can I say something that's going to get everyone mad?

01:35:59.720 I think she actually looked, by political standards, I think she actually looked pretty

01:36:04.000 good, young Hillary.

01:36:04.680 Not good enough to stop Bill Clinton from cheating on her.

01:36:07.520 Well, Bill had some problems.

01:36:09.040 You know, I mean, Bill's got a particular proclivity.

01:36:13.500 Well, I mean, dude, he's just like, I feel like Bill Clinton did probably the same thing

01:36:18.500 that most people would do if they were president to slay in the Oval Office.

01:36:22.460 Well, look, there have been plenty of adulterous presidents who slayed.

01:36:26.020 Plenty of them, largely Democrats.

01:36:28.820 JFK, of course, FDR, all these guys.

01:36:32.380 You think, wait, hold on, that's good to slay?

01:36:33.940 No, it's not good to slay.

01:36:35.360 Well, dude, that's like achieving...

01:36:36.420 If you're a married man, that's not good to slay. 0.99

01:36:38.880 Well, that's like achieving pinnacle status and leveraging it.

01:36:42.880 So I think that's kind of the point of status maxing.

01:36:45.680 You think that turning an intern and that particular intern into a human humidor in the Oval Office

01:36:53.860 is status maxing?

01:36:55.200 Yeah.

01:36:55.820 Really?

01:36:56.640 Yeah, that's like...

01:36:57.240 I don't think, I think that was embarrassing.

01:36:59.440 That's like the textbook definition of like status maxing.

01:37:03.240 It's like you become the president and then you like can slay whoever you want in the Oval Office.

01:37:08.780 I find it kind of degenerate and evidence that one is not in control of one's own base passions.

01:37:13.900 I find it unmanly, even.

01:37:16.580 Yeah, I think being like a prisoner of lust is like, yeah, I've seen like a lot of philosophers...

01:37:20.720 Yeah, it's kind of like pornified and gooning and all those things you said earlier are bad.

01:37:24.040 No, it's not like comparing like slaying like actual women to porn, I wouldn't necessarily agree with you. 0.98

01:37:30.220 What if it's fornication or sterile, like contraceptive sex, which is in many ways indistinguishable from sodomy? 0.99

01:37:38.120 What if it's, I don't know, I consider all that to be kind of emasculating, effeminate behavior. 0.93

01:37:43.900 No, I wouldn't say so.

01:37:45.860 You don't think so?

01:37:46.400 I think that's kind of just like how the world is these days. 0.72

01:37:50.640 But I think the world is degenerate and effeminate.

01:37:54.120 So I guess I agree with you on that point. 0.60

01:37:55.560 It is degenerate, but it's like, okay, if we're living in a society that rewards like hypergamy and rewards having a lot of sexual partners and slaying,

01:38:06.780 and you're like the top echelon of men, you're the president of the United States, you mog, and you're not taking advantage of that, that just seems like a missed opportunity to me.

01:38:17.940 Do you think Bill Clinton's life improved because he did that thing with Monica in the Oval Office?

01:38:23.920 Or do you think his life was worse because of it?

01:38:26.100 I think it was worse because he didn't double down and just say like exactly what I'm saying now.

01:38:33.800 I think he still would have gotten impeached, even if he got up there and mogged and said, I totally did it.

01:38:38.840 Yeah, dude, I'm telling you, if he would have doubled down, I think people would find that to be funny.

01:38:43.940 They would find it to be funny.

01:38:45.140 I think he still would have been impeached.

01:38:46.940 In fact, I'm certain he would have been impeached.

01:38:48.360 I think you're underestimating the double down pill, you know, like quite literally.

01:38:54.800 But we might never know because of the counterfactual.

01:38:58.040 But I guess to your point, like, yeah, the world rewards a bunch of degenerate behavior.

01:39:02.480 We totally agree with that.

01:39:04.800 Principalities and powers and spiritual weakness in high places govern the world and the evil prosper often and the good are, you know, persecuted.

01:39:12.920 That's all true.

01:39:14.080 But like we live in a world that crucified Christ, right?

01:39:16.600 So is that a recommendation of doing the same ourselves?

01:39:21.240 Hmm.

01:39:24.340 I don't really think that that would be a comparable thing.

01:39:28.280 Like, how can you make that comparison?

01:39:30.940 You're saying at a very basic level, this world rewards vice and sin.

01:39:37.320 Therefore, we should sin and commit vice seems to be a non sequitur from that because we know that those things are bad.

01:39:44.080 And we know that this world rewards bad things.

01:39:45.940 Mm-hmm.

01:39:47.120 Yeah.

01:39:48.100 Yeah.

01:39:48.620 I think that unless society was ready to rebuild, it's very much a cope to try to go against it and go against its ways, even if it's wrong.

01:39:59.540 Go along with the world.

01:40:02.540 That's the message.

01:40:03.900 Yeah.

01:40:04.000 That's like the opposite.

01:40:04.760 You know, it's funny, man.

01:40:06.220 I was expecting when you were coming.

01:40:08.620 I don't know much about, obviously, I don't know much about looks maxing and all this stuff.

01:40:11.500 Yeah.

01:40:11.900 But I was expecting your thesis to be the opposite of that, basically to say, no, go against the grain.

01:40:17.940 Swim upstream.

01:40:18.680 The world is going to make you descend and you've got to ascend and you've got to improve yourself.

01:40:22.920 Yeah, you do have to ascend.

01:40:23.860 But you're saying, no, just, man, whatever, just go along with it.

01:40:26.900 Yeah, go along with, you know, society and the direction it's taking, but make sure you position yourself in the most optimal way possible to take advantage of this.

01:40:36.100 It's just about positioning.

01:40:39.480 Society's going to go the way that society's going to go.

01:40:42.120 How are you positioning yourself as an individual, right?

01:40:45.460 Because I could sit here and talk about all these big ideas and like, we need to do this and try to start a political movement.

01:40:52.740 But I just am a realistic guy.

01:40:55.480 I know it's cope.

01:40:56.720 I've seen a million people attempt the same thing.

01:40:59.740 But we've also seen successful, well, political movements, social movements, religious movements.

01:41:07.180 We've seen over the course of history, things sometimes get worse.

01:41:10.280 Things sometimes get better.

01:41:11.940 You know, I think to use a really based example, something I started to mention earlier, the Bolsheviks were about to overrun Iberia.

01:41:18.540 They were about to take over Spain.

01:41:19.940 And there's this guy, Francisco Franco, maligned in some quarters.

01:41:24.060 But this guy, Franco, cobbles together a bunch of people, many of whom don't disagree, some of whom are of kind of dubious character.

01:41:29.980 And he cobbles them together to get the communists out of Iberia.

01:41:33.720 These were people who were raping nuns and killing priests who would have destroyed the continent, given the Soviet Union a major foothold in Western Europe. 0.65

01:41:40.520 And they got stopped because people weren't huge black pill doomers and thought they could actually do something. 0.90

01:41:47.820 And indeed prayed to God, by the way, for grace to overcome daunting odds.

01:41:52.640 And they didn't just throw their hands up in the air.

01:41:55.120 Isn't that, if we're trying to give the most based example possible of, like, for real right-wingers who feel alienated from decadent liberal society, wouldn't that, doesn't that counter your argument?

01:42:05.940 Well, that's more of a realistic thing.

01:42:07.940 If the right-wing wasn't such a joke, I would be, you know, doing a show right alongside you, you know, advocating for these different things.

01:42:15.140 But I think the entire system is just such a letdown that until...

01:42:20.380 You're disappointed by Trump.

01:42:22.560 I'm disappointed by the entire right-wing.

01:42:25.580 Led by Trump.

01:42:26.620 I don't necessarily think that it's exclusively Trump.

01:42:32.460 Not exclusively, but he's the president. He's the head of it.

01:42:34.900 I, yeah, I personally feel like the right-wing has not done what it's promised or provided any sort of hope, like, you know, maybe Franco did in the example that you just used.

01:42:46.940 You know, obviously that's going to get clipped up and I'm a fascist. 0.66

01:42:49.860 It's going to be that clip and I love trannies. Those are the two that are going to go. 1.00

01:42:53.540 Yeah, now I'm a fascist and now you love trannies. 1.00

01:42:55.660 Yeah, that's, which is worse? I don't know. I don't know which one's going to be worse on the internet. 0.99

01:42:59.620 So, on your individual point, maybe just to bring it to a wrap, with all of these observations you're making, saying that from your view of looks-maxing and how man should live in society, you say, look, the guy who's going to overdose on opioids, let him. It's fine.

01:43:22.300 Look, the pro-trans, you know, pro-baby-murder, guy who burns his cities down, Gavin Newsom, good, I want him to be president. Let's hurry it up. 0.99

01:43:31.920 You know, I don't have time for a girlfriend. I don't want to think about other people. I want to do my stream and get wealthy and famous and look even better.

01:43:40.840 Smash myself in the head with a hammer. 0.94

01:43:44.060 One thing that would appear to be missing from your ideology is concern for other people. 0.99

01:43:50.340 Do you think that's unfair?

01:43:52.300 Um, yeah, and I haven't really clarified my position, is I care deeply about the struggles of the average male being unable to even find, like, a romantic partner.

01:44:07.040 Like, you know, men 18 through 21 years old, two-thirds of them haven't had sex in six months.

01:44:13.220 Good, they shouldn't. They should get married.

01:44:15.440 Well...

01:44:15.880 Before they have sex. I'm not saying they get married at 18, but they should wait to have sex to get married. 1.00

01:44:19.080 But that's just showing it's not even something that is, they're trying, that they're able to do, right, in this degenerate society because of how hypergamous it is.

01:44:28.180 And not too long ago, before I was ascended, like, earlier this year, like, I was in the same position of, you know, the average everyday male, working job, um, maybe not as good-looking.

01:44:40.640 And so, so I, I absolutely am very empathetic of that struggle, and I think that that's something that needs to be advocated for more than any political movement, right?

01:44:53.580 But that would be a, wouldn't that be a political, a political, public, political just means public.

01:44:57.660 Right, right, right.

01:44:57.900 Just means you do things together.

01:44:58.860 Political in, in the context of, like, the stuff that we were just talking about.

01:45:02.220 I think that men's issues are, are largely overlooked, but I'm saying for young men to succeed, they need to put themselves in the forefront,

01:45:11.420 and all the other stuff about, you know, society, the direction it's taking, trainees in school, that needs to take a backseat for their individual struggle because they're really not doing well.

01:45:23.400 Men are, are doing worse than they ever have in almost every metric, and the only way to overcome that is just focusing on oneself to the maximum, doing whatever it takes to ascend,

01:45:35.980 and there's no place for any of the stuff that, you know, you're talking about in, in that mentality.

01:45:42.340 Charity? There's no place for charity in that mentality?

01:45:45.340 I guess my argument is you can't possibly, uh, improve yourself as a person if you don't have charity.

01:45:52.700 To, uh, take St. Paul as an example, I think you could have every single virtue, you can be the most mogging, looks-maxed, giggy, super-chad in the world, 0.87

01:46:03.820 doing weird stuff in the Oval Office, and if you lack charity, you have nothing, you're not, you're a clanging gong.

01:46:09.500 But how could you be charitable if your disposition is, is so terrible in life? You've got no money, you've got no time, because you work three jobs?

01:46:18.820 You could have two cents to work together, you could give one of them away, and that would be an act of charity.

01:46:22.300 Okay.

01:46:22.560 And in fact, that's an example that our Lord uses in the Gospels.

01:46:25.560 Like, come on, like, on a realistic note, like, you're not gonna be capable of charity, uh, unless...

01:46:30.880 Worship anybody's capable of charity.

01:46:32.780 Okay.

01:46:33.040 Charity is love, love for another person, for their own sake.

01:46:35.840 Okay, but...

01:46:36.380 That's it.

01:46:36.960 We're talking about...

01:46:38.400 Okay, fair enough.

01:46:39.740 What I'm simply saying is that, you know, people need to be doing whatever they can to position themselves, uh, in a way that maybe they will be capable of the spirituality that you're talking about,

01:46:51.000 but I think that people working three jobs just to make ends meet because of the economy, people who are unable to find a romantic partner, um, maybe we focus on the spiritual aspect

01:47:02.440 after we've overcame, like, this horrible position that we're in.

01:47:06.780 I'll do it later.

01:47:07.440 I'll be charitable later, but not...

01:47:08.900 Well, I'm just saying...

01:47:10.120 I'm saying if you want to improve yourself.

01:47:11.340 I'm not saying you shouldn't look...

01:47:12.740 Yeah, it's good to look good and to dress well and to try to improve yourself in all manner of ways and get smarter and whatever.

01:47:19.880 But if you ignore charity, concern for others, which is expressed in all these sorts of ways...

01:47:26.300 I mean, even to say I care about young men's issues, but if they want to OD on opioids, guess who's ODing on opioids?

01:47:30.940 It's men.

01:47:31.820 You know, you say, well, forget about them.

01:47:33.600 Who cares?

01:47:33.980 I'm going to focus on numero uno over here.

01:47:36.380 To me, it just seems if you ignore that part, you're ignoring the key.

01:47:40.760 You're saying, you know, I'm going to bake a loaf of bread and I'm going to have all the ingredients except the flour.

01:47:46.700 What I'm saying is I care about young men, but if people decide to go that route of being drug addicts, it's going to take up my time as well as anyone else who I'm calling upon to join my political movement.

01:48:01.760 It's going to take up their time to try to fix this issue of people who don't want to help themselves.

01:48:07.120 So people who want to help themselves and people who genuinely want improvement, I'm all for that.

01:48:12.460 I'm like, okay, what can we do?

01:48:13.820 That's why I make, like, YouTube videos, like informational content, like how do you looks, Max?

01:48:18.880 So that's why I do that.

01:48:20.260 But you've got to want to help yourself, right?

01:48:22.820 And I've got no empathy, really, for people who don't want that, like even to begin with.

01:48:29.800 Yeah, that resonates.

01:48:31.700 I sympathize with that view for sure.

01:48:34.680 It does drive me crazy and I think we should boot a lot of people off the welfare system who are abusing it, for instance.

01:48:39.380 But it seems to me that the difference here is, you know, there's this famous expression, God helps those who help themselves.

01:48:47.640 However, that isn't really true.

01:48:51.100 Like, it almost gets into truth, but the Christian idea is that actually, no, you can't really do much of anything on your own.

01:48:59.080 That actually, God's grace abounds and you have the free will to cooperate with it or not cooperate with it.

01:49:05.840 So in that way, you really are free.

01:49:07.740 But it's not, it's no, God offers to help everyone and, you know, in the course of justice, none of us would see salvation and we need to have grace for everybody.

01:49:16.140 And I guess then my argument, even down from an individual standpoint is, your life would improve, you would live a fuller, better life.

01:49:23.820 You would smile more at the end of your days and you would, I don't know, have more faith, hope, and charity.

01:49:30.700 If you don't just think about yourself all the time, which I fear is a little bit of what the looks-maxing thing leads to.

01:49:37.880 Mm-hmm.

01:49:39.620 Well, potentially, but that's going to be person-to-person, like feeling good.

01:49:45.160 I don't think it's person-to-person.

01:49:47.000 I'm saying, I think that's a fact of human nature.

01:49:49.860 Okay, so now I feel better.

01:49:52.260 Maybe I have a little bit better well-being.

01:49:54.460 What is that going to do?

01:49:55.580 That's not like an immediate, like, on-paper result necessarily, where it's like increasing your looks, which is a tangible thing, or increasing your income, your status.

01:50:05.740 Like, these are all very, like, tangible achievements.

01:50:07.400 But your income, in my view, the looks and the money and the status.

01:50:12.720 Looks, money, status.

01:50:13.620 Triad.

01:50:14.080 Yeah, yeah.

01:50:15.000 All of that, they can be nice, but all of those are for flourishing.

01:50:21.220 To use the old Greek term, eudaimonia, you know, happiness or flourishing.

01:50:25.480 That's what it's for.

01:50:26.380 And I would take it one step further.

01:50:28.040 We're not going to live very long on this earth.

01:50:30.160 We'll be here, I don't know, 80 years maybe by current standards.

01:50:34.580 And then we're going to go take a dirt nap.

01:50:36.360 And I think that that's not the end of the story because we're rational creatures with a rational soul.

01:50:40.060 And so I think that there's eternity, too.

01:50:42.340 And that you can't, it doesn't actually make any sense to consider the natural ends of life divorced from the supernatural ends of life because eternity is a lot longer than 80 years.

01:50:52.460 Does that factor into your thinking at all or no?

01:50:55.320 No.

01:50:56.160 No.

01:50:56.360 I'm simply focusing on...

01:50:57.920 Because in your defense, you're 19.

01:51:00.040 I didn't think about that very much.

01:51:01.280 I don't like that thing that people do.

01:51:04.700 Well, you're only 19, so you...

01:51:06.400 When I was 19, I did not think about those things.

01:51:08.660 I'll phrase it that way.

01:51:09.420 Well, that's another, you know, same iteration of what you just said.

01:51:13.540 Yes.

01:51:13.940 But simply what I'm suggesting is that you focus on the Lux Money status, increasing those, doing whatever it takes to achieve that.

01:51:22.340 And after you've achieved that, your positioning will be better.

01:51:25.260 What you're able to accomplish or what you're able to strive for increases exponentially.

01:51:31.240 I think you would probably agree with that.

01:51:32.840 Well, it depends what you mean by accomplish because I know a lot of very successful people on paper who are miserable, whose lives are wrecks, who have, you know, I don't know.

01:51:43.940 Well, forget the anecdotes, but like conceptually, like if these three metrics are increased, what you're able to accomplish goes up.

01:51:52.320 Would you agree with that?

01:51:53.840 If you're better looking...

01:51:54.680 What do you mean by accomplish?

01:51:55.720 Like you can do, you can make more money, but that's a truism, right?

01:52:03.620 You say, if you make more money, you can make more money.

01:52:05.220 Yeah, duh.

01:52:06.500 Your life will be better.

01:52:08.840 Will it?

01:52:09.820 Does money buy happiness?

01:52:11.040 Well, we're talking about three different metrics.

01:52:12.940 Looks, money, status.

01:52:14.480 Do looks, money, and status buy happiness?

01:52:17.460 Not necessarily, but...

01:52:18.580 That's my point.

01:52:19.320 That's exactly my point.

01:52:20.400 As a general concept across a society, you don't think that dialing up these three metrics would cause an increase in quality of life for men?

01:52:28.340 They can.

01:52:29.460 They can also make your life.

01:52:31.680 They likely will.

01:52:32.640 No.

01:52:32.900 Let's not be disingenuous here.

01:52:35.100 I'm not being disingenuous at all.

01:52:36.860 Actually, you can look at the data from lottery winners.

01:52:40.080 Winning the lottery usually does not improve people's lives.

01:52:42.860 Often it leaves them much worse off because they don't know how to handle the money, and they get this influx from out of nowhere.

01:52:47.200 And often they'll go into debt, they end up with tax problems, they end up with marriage problems.

01:52:52.920 Same thing can go for looks.

01:52:54.160 You're seeing a divorce rate spike because of Ozempic, though that might have some chemical aspects too, not merely just looking better.

01:53:01.100 My point is, all of these worldly measures of success, they can be great.

01:53:05.160 Look, man, I'm not turning down money.

01:53:06.900 Give me some more money.

01:53:07.680 That sounds nice.

01:53:08.620 I'm just saying there's some caution that goes with that, that should go with that.

01:53:12.260 And if you, if, as you say, money, status, and looks are, I guess you're saying those are the end goal?

01:53:25.720 Well, what I'm simply, where I was going, but I find that ridiculous for anyone to disagree that increasing these metrics is not a positive thing.

01:53:34.300 But you just said money doesn't buy happiness.

01:53:35.900 So you agreed with me previously, and now you're saying it's ridiculous to say that.

01:53:38.520 I said, you know, you're potentially right, could money buy happiness in some cases, but is it a positive thing?

01:53:44.920 Could we even phrase it like that?

01:53:46.040 It can be.

01:53:46.800 Okay.

01:53:47.000 Not always.

01:53:47.400 Right.

01:53:47.680 So I'll take that.

01:53:49.260 But once you've achieved this, whether you want to go the spiritual route, what you're talking about, or, you know, maybe you don't choose that, maybe you're allowed, and you choose to be, you know, maybe degenerate.

01:54:01.060 It's like, that's another whole conversation.

01:54:03.460 I think we should just position ourselves and then figure out what men should do after that.

01:54:08.520 I guess that's the conversation, because I think you've gotten to it in that last part, which is, well, look, if you live a good life, if you do the things that are associated with a good life, after the looks, money, and status, if you do the things that we consider to be, like, good, I think you'll have a good life.

01:54:26.100 Right.

01:54:26.300 And if you do the things that make you a degenerate, you'll have a bad life.

01:54:30.500 And my point is, looks, money, and status can lead you to both.

01:54:37.400 Yeah.

01:54:37.580 And they can lead you to more of both, actually.

01:54:39.880 And so that's the part that I'm curious about.

01:54:41.980 Yeah.

01:54:42.240 So it's, well, it's a generally positive thing to improve upon these metrics.

01:54:47.840 We would just have to figure out what to do from there.

01:54:50.780 And that's a very tough conversation.

01:54:53.320 But if looks, money, and status increase your likelihood of having, let's say they can increase your likelihood of having a good life, or they can increase your likelihood of having a degenerate life, then they're not generally a positive thing.

01:55:06.460 So a good life, in your context, with being spiritual and being charitable.

01:55:12.080 I'm saying there's an object, just as you say there's an objectivity to beauty.

01:55:15.140 I think there's an objectivity to the other transcendentals, truth and goodness.

01:55:19.920 So that goodness is not just a subjective thing.

01:55:22.400 You know, you like chocolate, I like vanilla.

01:55:23.820 But actually, some things really are good, some things really are bad.

01:55:26.240 And I would tend to agree with you a little bit that going the route of faith, going the route of humility, versus going around slaying a bunch of chicks after ascending, I'm more in your camp with that.

01:55:43.680 So we don't really disagree there.

01:55:45.220 Yeah.

01:55:46.500 That's ideal.

01:55:47.440 But either way, I think just what I'm advocating for, increasing money status looks, just seems very logical, regardless of the route you choose to take.

01:55:58.860 I advocate for what, you know, you're suggesting.

01:56:01.480 That's just not the society we live in.

01:56:03.280 So my realistic instinct is saying, okay, well, take advantage of how things are with, you know, the amount of women you're able to access now, just how it is.

01:56:14.620 I don't really think that's a contradiction whatsoever.

01:56:21.120 Well, if you're saying, look, yeah, Michael, I agree with you.

01:56:24.600 It's once you've ascended, you shouldn't be just slaying all the time.

01:56:28.900 You shouldn't be just like orientating.

01:56:29.360 I'm saying that's better.

01:56:31.040 It's better not to.

01:56:32.120 Yeah, yeah.

01:56:32.420 So you're saying that is better.

01:56:33.580 And look, that's what I'll endeavor to do.

01:56:35.200 And that's like, yeah, I think that's better for you. 0.97

01:56:38.260 But maybe you should slay.

01:56:40.340 Well, no, no, I'm saying that's better for the society if everyone were to take that route.

01:56:44.420 And the individual, or no?

01:56:47.280 I think it's better for you individually, too, if you don't do a lot of stuff.

01:56:49.360 I think that's better for the society.

01:56:51.240 Whether or not that's better for the individual, that's a tough one.

01:56:54.620 You've ascended, and you're going to ascend more with the jaw surgery.

01:56:57.740 Do you intend to use your ascent to go slay much more and, I don't know, do a bunch of bad stuff?

01:57:05.420 Or do you say, no, it seems to me you were just telling me, no, you know, that kind of got old.

01:57:09.620 I'm not going to do that.

01:57:10.860 Yeah, but I feel like I'll have to test the waters of my ascension, like, after, right?

01:57:15.620 Like, that's reasonable.

01:57:17.100 One thing we didn't get to, I know we're running late now.

01:57:19.000 You do meth.

01:57:23.900 Yeah, I haven't done meth in two weeks, but I do meth, yeah.

01:57:30.060 I sometimes do a little nicotine pouch, and I think I'm being, like, real bad.

01:57:34.160 You know, I'm like, oh, I should do this, should I?

01:57:35.900 But you, I would say...

01:57:36.940 You're in for a good one here.

01:57:38.220 The maxed version of the pouch is meth.

01:57:42.180 Why do you do meth?

01:57:43.500 Well, because meth is very similar in terms of its makeup to something like Adderall,

01:57:51.820 but it's got a little bit better psychoactive benefits,

01:57:55.820 meaning the Adderall has levo-amphetamine in it, which is a physical stimulant,

01:58:00.280 and that's not necessarily ideal for a lot of the things that I'm doing,

01:58:03.580 you know, maybe task-oriented stuff sitting on a computer.

01:58:06.320 It's like, why do I need a physical stimulant?

01:58:08.500 And meth also has a longer half-life.

01:58:11.340 And what meth actually is, is dextromethamphetamine.

01:58:15.560 What Adderall is, 75% of it at least, is dexamphetamine.

01:58:19.780 These are very similar, just the addition of the methyl group, making it longer-acting.

01:58:24.280 And the reason I also like it to be longer-acting, for a Luxmex in context,

01:58:28.280 is stimulants cause appetite suppressants.

01:58:31.660 But you're a big guy.

01:58:32.980 In other words, don't you need a lot of calories to...

01:58:36.980 Well, no, I'm trying to maintain my leanness, because the leaner you are, the more angular your face.

01:58:44.000 And while I do use GLP-1s, sometimes that's not enough to suppress my appetite.

01:58:50.200 So I need to, you know, rely on stimulants.

01:58:52.600 There are downsides to meth.

01:58:56.880 Yeah.

01:58:57.480 In high doses, it's neurotoxic.

01:59:00.220 But its risk profile isn't that much higher than that of Adderall.

01:59:05.400 But I think that it's not a good idea to do what I'm doing.

01:59:09.700 I just really wanted to ascend hard.

01:59:11.740 When I first started, you know, getting viral on social media, so I did the meth.

01:59:17.000 I advocate against stimulants.

01:59:20.180 I don't think that kids should be prescribed Adderall at the ages they are.

01:59:23.520 Yeah.

01:59:23.740 I think that people are going to misuse their stimulant prescription more than not, in more cases than not.

01:59:30.620 So I'm very against it.

01:59:32.260 I'm just open with everything that I do.

01:59:34.300 I'm like, yes, I do it.

01:59:35.200 Now, why...

01:59:36.120 Because I've heard this from very established people.

01:59:39.160 They'll say, hey, I do this, that, and the other thing.

01:59:41.740 But don't do what I'm doing.

01:59:43.720 And I would say, if you say don't do what I'm doing, why are you doing it?

01:59:46.800 Um, because I have enough willpower to be able to taper off of meth.

01:59:54.440 You're saying, you're saying if everyone could do it in the way you do it, it's fine.

01:59:58.240 But because most people can't.

01:59:59.720 It's not necessarily fine.

02:00:00.720 It's still neurotoxic.

02:00:01.920 So maybe I traded some of, uh, traded like some neurotoxicity for, for temporary leanness to ascend really quickly.

02:00:09.660 Because in my context, that was important to me.

02:00:12.200 I was going viral on social media.

02:00:14.360 I needed to get lean as quickly as possible.

02:00:17.700 When you talk about the neurotoxicity, do you think that will have long-term effects for you, like end of life?

02:00:22.720 Oh, no, no.

02:00:23.820 Just, if I were to do meth for my entire life at high doses, then yes.

02:00:28.220 But you're saying there will be no, you'll live just as long as you would have lived otherwise.

02:00:31.960 Yeah, I did meth for like a month.

02:00:34.820 Okay.

02:00:35.600 That's, it's true.

02:00:36.240 This has all been very quick.

02:00:37.500 But, but, so you're saying all these things, the injections, the surgeries, the...

02:00:41.540 Oh, that?

02:00:42.000 No, no, that won't really have, uh, an effect on my, my life, right?

02:00:45.980 The FDA removed, like, the warning labels from testosterone.

02:00:49.800 And what testosterone actually does to cause it's cardiotoxicity is it increases your lipids, right?

02:00:55.600 Whereas retitrutide, which is a GLP-1, similar to Ozempic, came out, that lowers those lipids.

02:01:01.040 So, you know, you're able to offset some of the aging.

02:01:04.940 Um, the, the only thing that really would cause me to have some sort of, um, issues of longevity is sometimes I do recreational drugs, which is, is bad.

02:01:17.400 Just for fun?

02:01:18.360 Yeah.

02:01:19.660 Like what?

02:01:21.700 I...

02:01:22.140 You don't, you don't need to confess it on air?

02:01:24.240 No, no, I, I've said all of it on air.

02:01:26.240 I've literally done, like, every single thing.

02:01:29.340 Really?

02:01:29.920 Yeah.

02:01:30.760 Like acid?

02:01:31.940 Yeah.

02:01:32.500 Really?

02:01:33.140 Yeah.

02:01:33.380 You don't strike me.

02:01:34.120 I had friends in college who would do it.

02:01:35.480 Got some in my wallet right now.

02:01:38.580 Are you on it right now?

02:01:39.840 No, I'm not on any, I'm on no drugs right now.

02:01:41.940 I'm fully sober.

02:01:43.800 I hate...

02:01:44.320 Why do you like the recreational drugs?

02:01:46.180 I was always curious about acid, but I never did it.

02:01:48.240 I'm happy I didn't.

02:01:48.780 No, don't do it.

02:01:49.600 Acid is the worst thing ever.

02:01:52.680 But it's in your wallet.

02:01:53.400 Yeah, because I took it one time, like, about a month ago, and it was the worst thing ever.

02:02:00.040 Psychedelics are, like, one of those leftist drug selections that really just are mind-boggling.

02:02:05.780 Yeah, what did it do?

02:02:06.520 Why didn't you like it?

02:02:07.520 Dude, it, like, made me giga-paranoid.

02:02:09.860 I had to lay down in the back of my car for, like, eight hours because I was, like, super anxious.

02:02:15.480 It was, like, the worst experience of my life.

02:02:17.620 So, no, LSD, not good at all.

02:02:20.200 It can really, like, rewire your brain and make you, like, a completely different person in terms of your motivations.

02:02:25.760 I've heard this, yes.

02:02:26.940 So, yeah, no, absolutely not.

02:02:28.840 Don't do LSD.

02:02:30.500 I just did it for, like, some of the neuroplasticity benefits, and I thought it was, like, oh, I'm really smart.

02:02:36.640 I'm going to take LSD, but not worth it.

02:02:39.800 Are there any of the recreational drugs you like?

02:02:42.060 Yeah, I mean, I like cocaine.

02:02:45.900 I guess that goes, if you're doing meth, you might as well do a little of the boobie.

02:02:49.100 Well, no, because actually cocaine is far more dangerous, and there's actually a higher mortality risk than that of meth.

02:02:56.380 Because, well, meth might be cardiotoxic over the long term because of, like, the vasoconstriction.

02:03:03.140 You could die immediately from doing cocaine, even if it's your first time.

02:03:07.200 So that's the issue that you run into because you're blocking your sodium channel.

02:03:12.380 You know, you could have a heart attack and be gone, be a perfectly healthy guy, and then you're dead.

02:03:17.900 Right, right.

02:03:18.660 And that's not even getting into it being cut with something else that's even more toxic, but right.

02:03:22.520 Yeah, absolutely.

02:03:23.300 So you think the recreational drugs could shorten your life?

02:03:27.300 Yeah, that's arguably the worst thing that I do, and that's probably a lux min.

02:03:33.000 So that, I don't want to...

02:03:34.340 That's just for fun.

02:03:35.940 Yeah, yeah.

02:03:37.200 I mean, cocaine, you can't eat on cocaine, but...

02:03:40.780 And I do get what you're saying.

02:03:43.240 It's like, with the whole, everyone says, don't do this.

02:03:46.220 It's just, I'm a live streamer.

02:03:48.460 I stream for eight hours sometimes.

02:03:50.240 I don't want to have to, like, have people signing NDAs.

02:03:53.800 Oh, like, this guy is actually, you know, someone who does cocaine.

02:03:56.740 This guy says the N-word.

02:03:58.500 It's like, I want to just do that on my live stream.

02:04:02.160 Like, it's all out in the open.

02:04:04.060 Yeah, like, I'm the...

02:04:05.160 Do you do drugs on the live stream?

02:04:07.260 Yeah.

02:04:08.700 So, like, that's the only reason...

02:04:11.980 I guess I drink on streams sometimes.

02:04:15.120 Yeah, we got some whiskey there.

02:04:16.420 Yeah, better than the seltzer I'm having.

02:04:18.660 No, so, exactly.

02:04:19.680 That's the problem, is, like, I don't want to influence people to do these things, necessarily,

02:04:24.920 but it would just be too much work to try to fraud, like, me not doing them.

02:04:30.300 There's a radical honesty, I guess, to that.

02:04:33.660 Yeah.

02:04:33.840 Is there any...

02:04:34.320 So, you've got the jaw surgery coming up.

02:04:36.040 Uh-huh.

02:04:36.320 Are there any other improvements you're planning, or is it really just the jaw thing, and then

02:04:42.200 you're maxed out?

02:04:42.940 I'm going to do a roid cycle again and get back into lifting weights.

02:04:46.380 Okay.

02:04:46.860 So, that's going to be something I do, but jaw surgery's the main one.

02:04:50.460 Jaw surgery's the main one.

02:04:51.360 But in terms of the, like...

02:04:52.700 Jaw surgery seems more extreme than steroids.

02:04:55.620 In terms of, like, you know, you're not going to get your neck lengthened or something.

02:04:59.400 That's it.

02:05:00.060 Yeah.

02:05:00.260 In terms of physical plastic surgery, that's the last one.

02:05:03.460 Yeah, that's the last.

02:05:04.560 Okay.

02:05:05.460 And then you're done.

02:05:06.660 Yes.

02:05:07.000 And then what?

02:05:08.300 And then I'll continue upon improving my physique.

02:05:11.960 And looks maxing, once you're...

02:05:13.760 There's no looks maxed, really.

02:05:15.220 You could just improve to, like, the highest degree possible.

02:05:17.800 And then you sort of have to maintain that.

02:05:19.280 Like, if you do all this looks maxing, then you just get fat.

02:05:22.700 It's like...

02:05:23.540 So, it's just about a maintenance thing.

02:05:25.480 So, it'll be pretty easy.

02:05:26.680 One time I worked out.

02:05:28.020 It was basically just once in my life.

02:05:29.640 One time.

02:05:30.160 One time it was in the Obama era.

02:05:31.900 And I went and I said, I'm going to gain a lot of muscle.

02:05:36.840 And I gained 20 pounds.

02:05:38.480 And I cut my body fat in half.

02:05:40.120 I joined the YMCA.

02:05:41.580 I was working out all the time.

02:05:43.260 And I was eating a lot of meat and stuff, you know.

02:05:45.260 And I actually felt pretty good.

02:05:46.920 I had muscle for the first time in my life.

02:05:48.700 I was like, it's kind of cool.

02:05:49.720 And then I stopped working out.

02:05:51.120 And I just became a fat guy for a few months.

02:05:53.320 Okay.

02:05:53.900 Yeah.

02:05:54.140 And that was it.

02:05:54.640 That was the end of it.

02:05:55.120 Then I lost the weight.

02:05:57.040 But I didn't go work out again.

02:05:58.200 That was that.

02:05:58.620 Yeah, that's kind of what I'm on now.

02:06:00.720 It's just maintaining my leanness.

02:06:02.960 But I need to start lifting again.

02:06:04.420 So, those are like the next looks maxes I've got up and coming.

02:06:08.780 My producer, Ben Davies, has demanded that I...

02:06:12.200 I hate this.

02:06:13.600 He's demanded that I ask you to rate me on a scale of looks maxing.

02:06:18.800 And I don't want to do that.

02:06:21.380 I feel like that will be a painful...

02:06:23.880 Yeah.

02:06:24.760 I don't want to do that either.

02:06:26.300 I think that's like the worst bit that's ever been introduced to my persona, my character.

02:06:33.240 Is people wanting me to rate them.

02:06:34.840 Because it's like, why?

02:06:35.680 What I advocate for is improving yourself.

02:06:38.800 And whether you're a 5 out of 10 or whether you're a 7 out of 10, just try to look better.

02:06:43.500 Do the things that I'm talking about to look better.

02:06:45.320 But your immediate rating is meaningless.

02:06:47.800 I think that was the most devastating answer you could have.

02:06:50.700 Just say, hey, clavicular, where would you rate me?

02:06:53.720 I don't want to rate you.

02:06:55.060 Please don't make me rate you.

02:06:56.500 Okay, all right.

02:06:57.480 I mean, it also gets old when like, I quite literally have like 50 people come up to me a day.

02:07:03.500 Not joking.

02:07:04.320 I'm not exaggerating these numbers.

02:07:06.740 Ask me for a rating.

02:07:08.620 It gets like...

02:07:10.080 Do you give it to them?

02:07:10.960 No.

02:07:11.340 No.

02:07:11.640 That's good.

02:07:12.260 That's good.

02:07:12.680 It's better.

02:07:13.440 Let them live in.

02:07:14.220 It's like people always overestimate their IQ.

02:07:15.980 Everyone thinks they have 130 IQ or something, and most people do not.

02:07:19.520 Yeah.

02:07:19.860 I hate the IQ thing.

02:07:21.440 It's a joke.

02:07:22.040 Okay.

02:07:22.320 Now on...

02:07:23.780 We've talked a lot about men and just men's issues and how men relate.

02:07:28.940 Women obviously can looks max. 1.00

02:07:30.960 Hmm?

02:07:31.180 Is it harder or easier for women to looks max than men?

02:07:37.560 I would say that it's probably around the same.

02:07:40.160 Okay.

02:07:40.640 And all the stuff that we talked about, this is the one challenge for women, is all the things

02:07:45.200 that we're talking about, you know, status and money maxing, women really can't do that 1.00

02:07:51.200 and improve in the same way as... 0.98

02:07:52.960 Like, if you're ugly as a woman, like, it's over. 1.00

02:07:55.620 You know? 1.00

02:07:56.360 It's literally over.

02:07:57.460 Like, you could cope your way into a corporate position and make a little bit of money, but 0.99

02:08:01.520 who gives a shit? 1.00

02:08:02.480 Like, if, you know, you're an ugly broad, it's over for you. 1.00

02:08:05.660 You don't think a homely woman can get... 1.00

02:08:09.080 Maybe she's not going to get Fabio, but, like, maybe she's not going to get clavicular,

02:08:12.880 but she might... 0.99

02:08:14.180 There's a guy out there, don't you think?

02:08:16.300 Well, in this dating market, yeah.

02:08:18.240 In this dating economy.

02:08:20.180 But you get, like, the general premise of what I'm saying.

02:08:23.280 Like, men could improve, like, in a lot more areas than women can. 0.99

02:08:27.420 I agree.

02:08:28.020 Looks matter more for women. 1.00

02:08:29.100 It's just a fact of life.

02:08:30.060 Yeah.

02:08:30.440 Yeah.

02:08:30.860 Yeah, so absolutely.

02:08:31.880 And I think, like, all the degeneracy that we talk about, I often say, like, I'll criticize

02:08:37.320 women a lot for, like, these things, like, you know, doing OnlyFans, but I'm like, at 0.99

02:08:42.940 the end of the day, when I finish my rant, I'm like, you're just taking advantage of

02:08:46.380 the society that you live in, the generation of men that this world has produced, who are 1.00

02:08:52.540 buying this shit. 1.00

02:08:53.480 It's like, no wonder you want to make hundreds of thousands of dollars putting pictures of 1.00

02:08:58.040 yourself naked. 0.73

02:08:58.920 It's like, who can blame you?

02:09:00.240 Yeah.

02:09:00.940 And I like for men to take accountability for that.

02:09:04.420 Like, it's...

02:09:04.720 Being the market for it, yeah.

02:09:06.200 Yeah, it's obviously, it's both.

02:09:07.380 I mean, these women are enticing men, which is wrong for them to do, and tempting them to 0.99

02:09:13.560 sin, but it's like, yeah, the men are paying for it, so I get it.

02:09:16.100 Well, like, obviously women aren't going to hold themselves accountable and, like, be 1.00

02:09:20.380 moral people, so it's the job of men to shape the society.

02:09:22.960 Like, really?

02:09:23.640 It's like...

02:09:24.020 That's the Jack Nicholson line, and as good as it gets, the lady says, how do you write 0.97

02:09:27.520 women so well? 1.00

02:09:28.260 And he says, well, I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.

02:09:31.920 Right.

02:09:32.320 That's your...

02:09:32.860 That's the Jack Nicholson answer.

02:09:33.920 No, so that's quite literally the thing that I haven't really heard from many other,

02:09:39.640 like, manosphere spaces is actually, like, shifting the blame onto men for cuck-maxing 0.97

02:09:46.120 and, like, being gooners, watching porn. 0.99

02:09:48.400 Goon-maxing. 0.99

02:09:49.400 Dude, like, literally.

02:09:50.520 I've never heard this before, but it's our fault, and it's our responsibility.

02:09:54.540 Yeah, I agree.

02:09:55.420 That was something... 0.97

02:09:57.140 Growing up in the 90s, I, you know, everyone was told porn is fine, and fornication is

02:10:04.300 fine, and you should just, like, date forever and not get married, and I don't know, it was

02:10:09.540 all kind of a joke.

02:10:11.880 You know, Hugh Hefner ended up getting his own TV show after decades of Playboy, and it

02:10:15.260 was all, like, fine.

02:10:16.480 And that has been a big shift, I've noticed, especially on the young right, is the young 0.97

02:10:20.680 men who are coming out and just saying, like, no, that's all really gay and degenerate 0.99

02:10:26.360 and creepy and weird, and, like, you shouldn't look at porn. 1.00

02:10:29.640 Porn is bad. 0.98

02:10:30.560 Am I just, is that hopium, or is that... 0.95

02:10:34.980 Yeah, a little bit, just...

02:10:36.740 It is, okay. 0.97

02:10:37.340 I don't like, I don't like necessarily dumbing it down to just, like, oh, porn is gay. 0.99

02:10:42.540 It's like, no, porn is destroying your brain chemistry and your dopamine system. 0.98

02:10:46.360 Like, it goes a lot deeper than that.

02:10:47.880 Yeah, and your soul.

02:10:49.200 Yeah.

02:10:50.120 Well, so I like pointing to, like, the specific outcome of what people are doing, not that

02:10:55.300 it's, like, because, sure, like, you know, you tell someone, oh, like, what are you

02:10:59.180 watching porn, you're, you know, like, it's not really going to sway people, but, you

02:11:04.600 know, it's a little bit more convincing if you tell them they're utterly destroying their

02:11:07.820 brain chemistry.

02:11:08.640 Hmm.

02:11:09.160 Yeah, that's a fair point.

02:11:10.200 Yeah, it does, right?

02:11:11.380 I don't know the chemistry of it, but it shoots up dopamine or something.

02:11:15.260 Yeah, exactly.

02:11:16.180 So that's kind of where I'm coming from is, like, specific reasoning, like, for not doing

02:11:21.580 these things.

02:11:22.540 Yeah, I remember I saw a tweet going around, this was years ago.

02:11:25.060 Someone said, wait, hold on, some guys don't look at porn, what do they think about all

02:11:31.360 day?

02:11:32.020 Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:11:32.720 Do you remember seeing that tweet?

02:11:33.380 I've seen that in a ton of, like, right-wing edits, yeah.

02:11:35.620 Yeah, and you're like, look, maybe that was a work of fiction, but I...

02:11:38.760 It was obviously a rage-bait tweet.

02:11:39.980 It was rage-bait and everything, but it is certainly the case.

02:11:44.040 I mean, even, I think you can elide fornication a little bit into it, too.

02:11:47.820 Like, when you are occupying your day with just trying to chase women all the time, as 1.00

02:11:55.600 many young men do...

02:11:56.480 Oh, my God, yeah, that's... 0.78

02:11:57.760 Those are the most cringe, like, cuck lords ever. 0.55

02:12:00.460 Yeah. 0.63

02:12:01.380 It's very cuck-maxed.

02:12:03.940 Yeah, I mean, I would say that the hunt sometimes is, like, fun, like, going to a bar, like, seeing

02:12:10.020 what you could do is, like, it can be, like, an enjoyable process, I guess you could say.

02:12:15.020 But these guys who are, like, on dating apps, like, swiping all day, just, like, man, this

02:12:20.000 is the most unproductive nonsense I've ever seen. 0.98

02:12:22.960 It's just silly. 0.94

02:12:23.960 Yeah, I remember I was in Italy, and an older Italian friend of mine said this to me, almost

02:12:28.280 that exact phrase.

02:12:29.120 He goes, la caccia e il divertimento.

02:12:31.680 The hunt is, like, all the fun, basically.

02:12:34.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:12:34.800 No, literally.

02:12:35.560 Yeah, yeah. 0.95

02:12:36.340 And then you win, and you're just, like, ah, like, can this girl, like, leave my f***ing 1.00

02:12:40.180 house? 0.95

02:12:41.600 Like, literally. 0.98

02:12:43.440 And I'll be a d*** about it. 0.96

02:12:44.740 I'll be like, you gotta go right now. 0.99

02:12:46.120 Well, you're saying, but even, I wonder, isn't, like, even if you don't fornicate, even if

02:12:52.000 you just, like, get a girl to, I don't know, like you at a bar or something, even that is

02:12:55.720 kind of fun.

02:12:56.820 Do you think it's, like, more, I guess it's, like, morally ambiguous, like, just seeing

02:13:01.640 if she'll, like, get, go home with you to your house, and then you say, ah, no, just

02:13:06.380 try and, uh, try my luck.

02:13:07.880 Look, that, you know, that.

02:13:09.620 That could be based, dude.

02:13:10.600 I don't know.

02:13:10.980 Oh.

02:13:11.980 Yes, that is.

02:13:12.980 I think that's very based, actually.

02:13:13.980 Gotta talk to a pastor about that.

02:13:14.980 Yeah.

02:13:15.980 I think it's bad, too.

02:13:16.980 Like, it's, but you know why it's bad? 0.99

02:13:18.240 Look, it's better than fornicating with a girl. 1.00

02:13:20.240 But the reason it's bad is, um, if you wanna get real, like, traddy-based, um, Plato makes 0.93

02:13:27.240 the point that seduction is, is actually worse than rape.

02:13:31.240 And this is a controversial point, of course, but his argument is that, you know, a rape,

02:13:36.240 horrific as it is, is a physical violation, but seduction is also a spiritual violation.

02:13:41.240 So, it cuts even deeper.

02:13:42.240 Mm-hmm.

02:13:43.240 So, that would be the argument against hunt, hunt max, being a hunt cell, being, you know,

02:13:48.240 hunt maxing at the bar, but, uh, but, but it's probably, it's maybe a little more wholesome

02:13:53.240 than going all the way.

02:13:54.240 Uh, on this point, monogamy.

02:13:58.240 In your life, you're, you're 19.

02:14:00.240 Mm-hmm.

02:14:01.240 As you see your life down the road, let's say your late 20s or early 30s, whatever, whatever

02:14:05.240 it's gonna be, you get married.

02:14:08.240 Are you into monogamy, or no?

02:14:10.240 Yeah.

02:14:11.240 Yes.

02:14:12.240 Yeah.

02:14:13.240 Because there are all these guys who come out, they say, no, if you wanna be, like,

02:14:16.240 real cool, and there you go.

02:14:17.240 Dude, those are just, like, performative jesters, in my opinion.

02:14:20.240 I totally agree.

02:14:21.240 I, I think, like, all that, uh, you know, rhetoric is extremely performative.

02:14:26.240 I don't really think that they believe that, even themselves.

02:14:28.240 They're trying to convince themselves.

02:14:30.240 Oh, yeah, no, absolutely.

02:14:31.240 So, um, it's just gotta be the right person for you to be faithful to.

02:14:36.240 And my, and that's just where, you know, maybe there's some overlap with what I'm, those

02:14:41.240 people in me, is it's just very difficult to find that.

02:14:44.240 But once it's found, I, I think it's, would be ridiculous to suggest that monogamy is anything

02:14:50.240 but the ideal.

02:14:51.240 Yeah.

02:14:52.240 Yeah, no question.

02:14:53.240 Yep.

02:14:54.240 Clavicular, do you have, I've given you a lot of, do you have any advice for me?

02:14:57.240 Any advice for you?

02:14:58.240 Yes.

02:14:59.240 Um, yeah, so, you've, you know, as we know, you've got this good producer set here.

02:15:06.240 Um.

02:15:07.240 I would, you, you think they're a good producer set?

02:15:09.240 Yeah, like, with all the, the makeup and stuff, I would like.

02:15:11.240 Oh, the makeup's great.

02:15:12.240 Yeah, so.

02:15:13.240 I would hide, like, the recession in your under eyes with.

02:15:16.240 Mm.

02:15:17.240 I've had under eye bags since I was like a baby.

02:15:19.240 It's crazy.

02:15:20.240 It's, yeah, it's, it's the same Sidney Sini syndrome, I guess we could call it.

02:15:24.240 Hold on, so now I would have been, cause I think she's good looking, so if you had said, 1.00

02:15:29.240 Michael, you know, you, you have similar facial aspects to Sidney Sweeney, I'd say,

02:15:32.240 he's complimenting me.

02:15:33.240 Are you telling me I look, looks minned?

02:15:35.240 Well, just, just in the orbitals, I think.

02:15:37.240 Okay.

02:15:38.240 But you could fix that quite easily.

02:15:39.240 Okay, how?

02:15:40.240 Uh, you could either do an, an implant, an orbital implant would be the best way.

02:15:44.240 Right.

02:15:45.240 Or you could just do, like, the band-aid on, uh, you know, the gunshot wound method would be

02:15:49.240 the concealer for, like, you know, the tear trough region.

02:15:52.240 Okay, I like, that seems easier.

02:15:54.240 Yeah, a little bit.

02:15:55.240 Okay.

02:15:56.240 It's not as effective.

02:15:57.240 Alright, okay.

02:15:58.240 And making sure that, uh, your hair stays intact.

02:16:01.240 I don't know how old you are.

02:16:02.240 35.

02:16:03.240 Okay, so, I don't know if you take finasteride already.

02:16:05.240 No.

02:16:06.240 Or do tasteride.

02:16:07.240 No.

02:16:08.240 So, starting a hair loss protocol sooner rather than later is the most important thing.

02:16:12.240 Okay.

02:16:13.240 Are you on one of those?

02:16:14.240 Yes.

02:16:15.240 Okay.

02:16:16.240 Absolutely.

02:16:17.240 It's a detriment to taking this stuff.

02:16:18.240 Um, it, it's, it's amazing.

02:16:21.240 So, just maintaining the, the youthfulness, maintaining the looks as long as you can.

02:16:25.240 I heard hair loss drugs sometimes can give you ED.

02:16:28.240 That's, like, a nocebo thing, and that happens to, like, with finasteride, yeah, that's true.

02:16:34.240 It could happen to, like, 1% of users, I, I believe I've reported.

02:16:38.240 1% is a lot.

02:16:39.240 But it's, oh, and say you were to take finasteride and be that rare case, extremely rare, where

02:16:44.240 you have libido issues, it's only acute while you're taking the drug.

02:16:48.240 Oh, okay.

02:16:49.240 It's not, it doesn't last forever.

02:16:50.240 Okay.

02:16:51.240 And plus, I already have three kids, so, you know.

02:16:53.240 Yeah.

02:16:54.240 I mean, I'd like some more, but okay.

02:16:55.240 Well, you could also take TRT to offset that.

02:16:57.240 Okay.

02:16:58.240 All right.

02:16:59.240 TRT, finasteride, um, that'd be a really good place to start.

02:17:02.240 That would set you so much further ahead than your average 35-year-old guy.

02:17:07.240 You really wouldn't have to do much more than that.

02:17:09.240 And a GLP-1 to make dieting and staying lean extremely easy.

02:17:13.240 Okay.

02:17:14.240 A GL, and a GLP, what, what is that?

02:17:16.240 That's a peptide.

02:17:17.240 A GLP-1 agonist.

02:17:18.240 Yeah, that's a peptide.

02:17:19.240 Okay.

02:17:20.240 Okay.

02:17:21.240 Zempic, Redishrutide, Zepitide.

02:17:22.240 Okay.

02:17:23.240 Those are the three main GLP-1s.

02:17:24.240 Should I clothes max at all?

02:17:25.240 I'm in, you know, they get me a nice wardrobe here.

02:17:28.240 Is there any clothes maxing that goes with the looks maxing?

02:17:30.240 I wouldn't be the one who could, uh...

02:17:32.240 That looks, that's good.

02:17:33.240 That's a good wardrobe.

02:17:34.240 You think no?

02:17:35.240 I think that the comments section is going to brutalize me at this timestamp.

02:17:39.240 Really?

02:17:40.240 No, that's a nice shirt.

02:17:41.240 I like that shirt.

02:17:42.240 Yeah, goodwill maxing, but, um...

02:17:44.240 Now that, I've done a little goodwill maxing.

02:17:46.240 There you go.

02:17:47.240 So, um, essentially, those, those things to kind of just, like, place you ahead physically

02:17:53.240 of people your age really go a long way.

02:17:55.240 Clavicular, this has been a maximally enjoyable discussion.

02:17:58.240 Thank you very much.

02:17:59.240 Thank you for coming, man.

02:18:00.240 Thank you for having me.

02:18:01.240 Appreciate it.

02:18:02.240 What was it like, Merlin, to be alone with God?

02:18:13.240 Is that who you think I was alone with?

02:18:19.240 Meridyn, I knew your father.

02:18:21.240 I am yet convinced that he was not of this world.

02:18:27.240 All men know of the great Taliesin.

02:18:30.240 You are my father.

02:18:31.240 That the gods should war for my soul.

02:18:34.240 Princess Garrus, savior of our people.

02:18:37.240 I know what the bull god offered you.

02:18:42.240 I was offered the same.

02:18:44.240 And?

02:18:46.240 There is a new power at work in the world.

02:18:48.240 I've seen it.

02:18:50.240 A god who sacrifices what he loves for us.

02:18:52.240 We are each given only one life, singer.

02:18:55.240 No.

02:18:56.240 And we're given another.

02:19:00.240 I learnt of Yezu the Christ. 0.54

02:19:03.240 And I have become his follower.

02:19:04.240 He's waiting on Merlin.

02:19:06.240 And I think you can give him one.

02:19:08.240 Trust in Yezu. 0.87

02:19:09.240 He is the only hope for men like us.

02:19:12.240 Fate of Britain never rests in the hands of the great light.

02:19:15.240 Great light.

02:19:16.240 Great darkness.

02:19:18.240 Such things mattered to me then. 0.70

02:19:20.240 What matters to you now, mistress of lies? 0.94

02:19:24.240 You. 0.99

02:19:25.240 Nephew.

02:19:29.240 The sword of the High King.

02:19:33.240 How many lives must be lost before you accept the power

02:19:37.240 you were born to wield?

02:19:40.240 So clinging to the promises of a god who has abandoned you.

02:19:44.240 I cannot take up that sword again.

02:19:46.240 You know what you must do.

02:19:50.240 Great light, forgive me.

02:19:51.240 Great light, forgive me.

02:19:59.240 The time has come.

02:20:01.240 To be reborn.

02:20:02.240 Moltam Oppertko,

02:20:04.240 Doesn't miss you in God's death.

02:20:05.240 That's you only helped.

02:20:06.240 I had a very very rapidement Newsager,

02:20:12.240 and I've never heard of ello.

02:20:13.240 Thank you.

02:20:14.240 Physically, I'm the one of the other people that have experienced it.

02:20:15.240 I'm the one.

02:20:16.240 I'm your devastated.

02:20:17.240 My proud person.

02:20:19.240 It's more than the knowing that our own족s is.

02:20:22.240 With evidence of knowledge,

02:20:23.240 Tekken,

02:20:26.240 95thorfi,

02:20:27.240 M Lantern.

The Michael Knowles Show - December 27, 2025

＂I Would Hit Myself In The Face With A Hammer＂ Michael & The Looksmaxxer ｜ Clavicular

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