In this episode, I sit down with 19-year-old "Clavicular" Clavicular to discuss the evolution of the looks maxing world, how it came about, and what it means to be a "look-maxed" man.
00:36:30.000And a lot of people will say, don't marry your high school sweetheart because, especially if you're an ambitious, self-improving looks-maxer,
00:36:36.000you're, you know, the pool that you can pick from is going to be so much better five or ten years from now when you're in the professional world and you got some wealth and status.
00:36:47.000I have anecdotally observed, but the plural of anecdote is data, that the best marriages I've ever seen have been people who knew each other when they were very young, and kids even.
00:37:00.000Which is not online, which is not about status, really, because no one, everyone's kind of equal in school, which is not primarily physical.
00:37:10.000Obviously, you have to have a physical attraction, but you're not grading people on scales.
00:37:14.000It seems to be totally the opposite of everything you're describing in the modern dating market, but might that old way be better?
00:37:21.000I don't really disagree with you there about the whole high school sweetheart thing, because that's like a theory that we talk about called just be first in the looks-max community.
00:37:32.000And the idea behind that is all the pair bonding abilities remain intact if you're, you know, marrying, you know, young and both partners are virgins, especially the woman.
00:37:43.000You know, that tends to lead to more everlasting relationships, lower divorce rates.
00:37:49.000I think the data absolutely agrees with you there.
00:37:52.000I'm just simply saying that in my case, it would be a comical idea to put my career at a standstill for a girlfriend, because that is almost required.
00:38:04.000It's very rare that you're able to progress to the degree that you otherwise would be with a long-term partner.
00:38:12.000Well, certainly in what you do, if part of what you do involves you going out and picking up chicks, then you could not have a girlfriend while you were doing that.
00:38:20.000Well, I also, you know, work pretty much all hours that I'm awake.
00:38:27.000That's true, though. You know, that is something I have to fight. I work all the time. I don't have a real job, but I work all the time.
00:38:34.000So I would almost feel bad, like, you know, being in a serious relationship and just being, like, the most boring, awful person ever.
00:38:42.000But you, but, well, would you be boring? No, you might work a lot. You might have to fight to make time, you know, for your girlfriend.
00:38:48.000I wouldn't. But would you be, and maybe you wouldn't want to do that. Why would you be boring?
00:38:54.000Well, I mean, it's not really interesting when all you're doing is sitting on your computer, like, doing a show all the time.
00:39:01.000You're interesting enough that people watch you.
00:39:03.000Oh, absolutely. But, you know, unless the girlfriend wants to tune into the streams and become a viewer, if she's just on the sidelines, it's not really that interesting.
00:39:14.000I don't know. Do you agree with that? I would disagree with that, because I work all the time. And look, it's a little different.
00:39:19.000I'm married. I have kids. I have many reasons to carve out as much time as I can to not be on the road and to not be working.
00:39:26.000But I endeavor to cultivate other interests and other desires and other loves beyond politics or whatever it is that I do, selling cigars.
00:39:36.000And this, I wonder, I wonder if that is missing from the looks-maxing idea, meaning while you're looks-maxing and doing the attendant wealth-maxing and all the other stuff, we've talked about maybe a neglect of the spiritual-maxing, but what about even, like, book-maxing?
00:39:54.000What about even cultivating loves for art or culture or things that, yet again, are not exactly physical, which make you interesting and will make girls find you interesting?
00:40:05.000No, I absolutely agree with you. It's just, like, what are you going to dedicate your time to? And once again, I believe that once you start, you know, you have to be, like, pedal to the metal with your career, especially these days with how competitive, like, the job market is and everything.
00:40:21.740So it's just about, you know, the return on time investment for anything that you do. If you believe that you could get more value reading a book for two hours than, you know, maybe learning a skill, if that's going to help you just in terms of your mental well-being, then fine.
00:40:39.180You know, everyone's got a different answer to what works for them. So I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. I'm just saying what works for me anecdotally.
00:40:48.720No, I actually got expelled from college.
00:40:51.260All right, well, then forget my question. Why'd you get expelled from college?
00:40:53.940For lux-maxing, essentially, I got caught with steroids in my dorm room and I got kicked out. I only lasted three weeks.
00:41:02.000Wow. That's fast. I know other people who got booted from college. Three weeks is fast.
00:41:05.920Yeah, I'd say I probably set the record with that.
00:41:08.500The reason I ask about college is people think today college is about just going and learning a skill and getting a job and, you know, making a lot of money.
00:41:17.260That's really not what it's for. What it's supposed to be for is actually not learning any skills.
00:41:22.260It's for reading old books and thinking about abstract mathematics and science and cultivating an inner life and, you know, familiarizing yourself with the greatest that our civilization has to offer and thinking even about eternal things.
00:41:36.120And then you can go either grad school or an apprenticeship, learn on the job, do something else.
00:41:41.200But it's about the idea that there is more to life than looks and that this will make you a more interesting person.
00:41:47.440It will make you a more interested person and that this is at least as important as how you look and maybe much more important.
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00:43:13.160I think that the actual interpretation of what college is supposed to be, like you just mentioned, is amazing.
00:43:21.260You know, people with higher intellect going to do these studies is a wonderful thing, and that's how you have a great society.
00:43:28.660But in the modern context, we're just sending everyone off to college universally.
00:43:34.340And it doesn't really make sense to educate people with lesser intellect, because they don't have the capability to necessarily put these skills into practice.
00:43:43.300They're probably going to be working blue-collar jobs in a lot of cases.
00:43:47.460It's just kind of like a thing that people do now without...
00:43:50.240And they get $200,000 worth of debt as their reward.
00:43:53.520Yeah, so I think that college shouldn't be as universal as just like a thing that you do.
00:44:13.220...to make people well-rounded, to make people have multiple facets to their life.
00:44:17.940And you mentioned earlier, you said, you know, I'm a little bit autistic, a little touch of the tism.
00:44:22.340And I think that's true for a lot of people these days, whether we're talking about real autism or just kind of habits of mind that singularly focus people, especially men.
00:44:30.700Especially right-wing men, especially online men.
00:44:36.140Wouldn't it be good to be a little well-rounded?
00:45:12.580You know, maybe people would contest that with, oh, you're not well-rounded.
00:45:15.920You don't have, like, a good grasp on, like, geopolitics.
00:45:18.760And I'm like, well, yeah, that's intentional because I find it to be extremely silly to advocate for young people who don't have a lot going for them.
00:45:27.600They maybe have, like, a very low credit score or low income, and they're worried about, you know, foreign wars or something like that.
00:45:35.660Like, that's something that I've always been extremely outspoken on.
00:45:39.020Look, civic engagement is good, but these, you know, for a 14-year-old to be, you know, waking up in terror at night because of climate change or some nonsense, some war overseas, I think is totally disordered.
00:45:53.280But because you got into this so young, because you're still so young, wouldn't you maybe, couldn't you apply the same kind of reasoning to a young clavicular and say, hey, maybe don't get so obsessed with this one thing so young.
00:46:15.800Well, the problem is, like we discussed, it's a now or never thing with a lot of these growth pathways.
00:46:20.720So you can either, you know, optimize them and ascend past what was possible genetically without the intervention of pharmaceuticals, or you can just cope and never have the success that you otherwise could have.
00:46:34.700How long is the recovery for the jaw surgery?
00:46:36.700It's going to be about three weeks of extreme swelling, and I would say for 100% of the swelling to go down, it'd be about six months.
00:46:47.720But after three weeks, like, you're pretty much looking how you, you will.
00:46:54.620Just a gradual decline in like that final push of swelling.
00:46:58.420Have any of the doctors said, hey, man, you know, you don't really need this surgery, and this is kind of gratuitous, and maybe you're a little wrong in your thinking here, and maybe, maybe there's even a touch of body dysmorphia?
00:47:39.500And they just say, okay, thanks, yeah, swipe the Amex here.
00:47:43.020Well, because nobody, in a lot of cases, the double jaw surgeries that I'm talking about with, like, the cosmetic implants, that's an elective thing, right?
00:47:52.440Um, sure, certainly double jaw exists as a way to fix, you know, horrible airways and sleep apnea, but in my case-
00:47:59.800Like, a measurement from a car accident or something.
00:48:01.500Yeah, right, but a lot of the times it would be just, like, sleep apnea and breathing-related issues would be the main cause for jaw surgery.
00:48:09.080But that's, like, severe recession and severe, uh, developmental issues.
00:48:14.780But most people in, you know, the modern era actually do need jaw surgery because they have, you know, dental crowding.
00:48:22.640They don't have enough space in their mouth to even accommodate for their teeth because of whether it be just poor development, poor breathing habits as a kid.
00:48:30.760So I would say that the majority of people would actually need jaw surgery to, to fit within the ideals of looks.
00:49:20.380Working at a restaurant, and you- and you say, okay, the reason I'm working all the time is so that I can afford to improve my jaw with plastic surgery.
00:49:30.240Yes, because I figured the return on investment would be comically high, right?
00:49:34.180So you improve that much in looks, the opportunities that are gonna be available to you will absolutely-
00:49:43.580Where- where do you get your certainty that that's the case?
00:49:47.940Um, just what I've seen in society, a lot of anecdotes, like, we look at a lot of the come-ups for famous people, they'll get, like, scouted for being, like, famous actors or models.
00:50:00.500Like, doing heinous- you know, like, for example, like, Jordan Barrett got scouted to be a model- who's, like, one of the top, like, looks-macks.
00:50:07.720People were scouted, like, while he's, like, stealing.
00:50:10.200Um, there's this other guy named Jeremy Meeks, I don't know if you've heard of.
00:50:13.680Um, so, he committed a felony, and he had a mugshot, um, where a lot of girls on Facebook liked him, thought he was good-looking, so they bailed him out, and then he got a $1 million modeling contract.
00:50:24.960So, like, that's what's available to you once you hit that top percentile of looks.
00:50:30.280You could pretty much do anything, and, you know, your life will be easy.
00:50:34.280Now, would you- I don't know that I- I'm not saying I doubt the stories, but I don't know if I- you would use those stories as the model for life, saying, you know what I gotta do?
00:50:44.160I gotta be really hot and commit a felony, and that's my pathway to success.
00:50:48.340Well, it's just being- being that good-looking, being, like, the top, like, 0.01 percentile of men, in terms of looks, it- it's just a guarantee for success.
00:50:58.260Like, you can't lose. There's really no losing.
00:51:00.580So, I'm- I- I'm not sure about this. I've got a few more years than you, but maybe you've done more research.
00:51:05.180With social media? Absolutely. There's no losing when you're that, uh, level of looks.
00:51:11.020I know good-looking- look, maybe this is generations past. I know good-looking people, guys and girls, who have not had, uh, much terrestrial success.
00:51:19.900And I grant you, it's very important in show business, in- in broadcast professions, you know, acting, whatever, but I also know a lot of very, very successful people
00:51:29.980in the kind of worldly way, and in the spiritual way, and sometimes in both, who are not even close- they are very looks-moderated.
00:51:38.580They are maybe even looks-minimized. And I know many examples of that, and I do- I- I can think of counterexamples of, like, hot people.
00:51:47.780I mean, isn't the- this is kind of the- the joke or the meme is, like, the guy and the girl who were really hot, you know, in high school, they don't have a lot of success in their lives.
00:51:57.380And, you know, the nerd is the one who goes off to school and, uh, I don't know, becomes a billionaire.
00:52:02.380I mean, that- that seems to be more the stereotype.
00:52:04.380That's just not what we're seeing in today's day and age with social media.
00:52:07.380I would say that- that's probably how it was for a while, but now, when you're just o- able to open up Instagram or TikTok and put a picture of yourself when you're that good-looking and, you know, get ex- extreme success and brand deals and stuff like that.
00:52:26.980So, th- that's like a- a no-brainer, right? It's guaranteed when- when you're good-looking. You don't even have to be an interesting, uh, persona to do well on social media with good looks.
00:52:35.980Surely you would admit there are plenty of good-looking people on social media who don't get lucrative brand deals.
00:52:42.580I would say that just, like, where I was, like, working in a restaurant versus, um, you know, achieving success on social media, like, I would have done better, absolutely.
00:52:52.580So that would have been a return on investment that made sense.
00:52:57.580You're saying looking good- if you look really, really good and you have Instagram, that's a guarantee of professional success and lucrative success.
00:53:04.380And I'm just saying, there are plenty of hot people on social media who aren't that successful.
00:53:08.980Um, then, you know, that- that's also people who are- are low IQ as well, but, uh, I- I would say that that's a very rare thing.
00:53:17.580I bet most hot people on social media don't get a lot of likes and certainly don't get branded.
00:53:22.580Well, what- what are we talking about by hot? Like, good-looking- like, some people think that, like, Sydney Sweeney is, uh, extremely attractive.
00:53:28.980Um, I- I would say- I don't want to scandalize anybody, married man- I would say Sydney Sweeney is- is very attractive.
00:53:36.980I would say that she's pretty malformed. Um, her upper maxilla is extremely recessed, right?
00:53:43.380She's got the eyes of doom with no infraorbital support. She's really not that much of a looker in her face.
00:53:49.380I think that a lot of people with porn brains find her attractive because of her body.
00:55:30.780Well, because of her facial harmony scores, right? It's- there's measurements that you could take of everyone's face to figure out exactly how attractive they are.
00:55:38.780It's an objective thing. The only thing that would make looks subjective was, like, some people may prefer, like, more tan skin versus pale skin, like we were talking about before, but even then, it's-
00:55:49.780Well, I- I agree that beauty is an objective thing, so I totally disagree with the modern conception that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
00:55:57.780I think it's a cope, and I do think, I'm with St. Thomas Aquinas, that part of what is beautiful is- is harmony, you know, is harmonizing. Radiance and things like that.
00:56:05.780Symmetry. Yeah, so absolutely. So that's simply what I'm stating is, um, you know, there might be a false idea of what's actually that good-looking if, you know, Sidney Sweeney were to apply that principle, start posting on social media without acting, oh, where's my brand deals? It's like, well, you're not who we're talking about.
00:56:22.780Now, hold on. Why did you conclude that people who think Sidney Sweeney is attractive use pornography? What is it about porn that would lead you to that conclusion?
00:56:32.780I think a lot of what they like about her is- is, you know, her breasts and probably just her body, and that's generally, like, a- a very, like, gooner porn consumer mentality.
00:56:44.780But what about just her face? You know what? You say she doesn't have a pretty face.
00:56:48.780I would say that she's probably right on- around average. Wow. Slightly above.
00:56:53.780Wow, okay, I would- uh, yeah, I wouldn't agree with that. But-
00:56:56.780I think if you put her- her head onto just an average chick's body, she would be pretty much invisible outside of, like, you know, a third world country.
00:57:07.780Now, okay, I'm very curious about the- the pornification of it all, because it- this ties into what you've been talking about from the beginning, which is your whole, um, looks-maxing journey has- has been online.
00:57:20.780It's been- it's been revolving around every step of the way. And what is the definitive, I don't know, content of the internet? It's just porn from the earliest days.
00:57:31.780Well, that's- that's just the- the new look that you're seeing pushed by, I don't know, globalism or whatever is- is, like, the thick thing, um, where you're seeing, like, all these girls who have, like, you know, a lot more body fat.
00:57:46.780Um, but their faces might be chubbier, because, you know, they're gonna have more- more fat now in their- their, uh, you know, in their breasts.
00:57:55.780So that's kind of just, like, a new thing that's being pushed, and-
00:57:58.780You're- in- in- you're saying fat girls are being pushed in pornography?
00:58:01.780No, not necessarily fat, just, like, you know, higher body fat, whereas, you know, you would see in, like, the 90s and the early 2000s, like, with modeling, it was, like, a very skinny look, the face was very angular, and, um, that- I would say that porn probably did the most damage to- to, uh, you know, what's pushed.
00:58:20.780There was a lot of porn in the 90s. I don't know, you weren't around then, but I was around-
00:58:24.780But it wasn't accessible by every 12-year-old with an iPad.
00:58:27.780Yeah, well, it wasn't iPads, it was computers, but it- I mean, internet porn, look, there were- there were-
00:58:33.780It's a lot worse because the internet's faster, but there- there were pieces of legislation to combat this in the 90s.
00:58:38.780It was the- the Communications Decency Act and the Child Online Protection Act, because there was this flood of porn all over the internet.
00:58:44.780It really started in the 90s, and they both got shot down by judges, unfortunately.
00:58:48.780The reason I- the reason the porn thing is interesting to me on this topic is, it's so online.
00:58:55.780If- all of this is so profoundly online.
00:59:55.780My- my point, I guess, is one of the evils of pornography is it reduces people who are, you know, these integral human beings with, uh, soul and body.
01:00:05.780It reduces them to the physical. So it's just, you know, meatbags bumping uglies on a screen. It's even one level abstracted.
01:00:12.780Yeah. But isn't- isn't that a commonality with looks maxing, which is to reduce the human person down to the level of the physical, the physical being the most important?
01:00:20.780Um, I would say that, yeah, uh, it's- it's not far from the truth, you know, but it's just what needs to be done in society.
01:00:30.780You need to- to improve upon this metric. You know, we could sit here and-
01:01:08.780Like, you know, you're a huge, uh, you know, host of- a massive show, you know, so that status might be able to carry you, uh, rather than, you know, having to- to-
01:01:17.780Okay, but let's say that I weren't. I appreciate all the compliments, and it's great, and I like- this is nice. I'll take- I'll take it. I'll take a broad, you know, I haven't looks minimized, at least. But let's say that all that wasn't true. And let's say that I were a guy, and I were, uh, I don't know, even more looks minimized. And I w- I was fashion minimized, and I didn't have a show, and I didn't, uh, check certain status markers. And let's say I were just a guy, married-
01:01:46.780married to a nice gal, and maybe she wasn't even that good looking. Maybe let's say we had a nice family, and we had some kids, and we were living in a house that's fine, but not that nice. And, you know, I made some money, but not a ton, and we had, like, a car that was okay. And we went out to dinner every so often, and maybe we got to go to the beach once a year. And by all of the metrics that we're talking about, you know, I wasn't maxed out at all.
01:02:10.780But mightn't it very likely be the case that I would be happier, more, more flourishing than the richer, better looking, more professionally successful guy? Or you say, no, that's a fairy tale.
01:02:26.280Well, yeah, I'd say that's a really nice idea, and, um, like, in theory, potentially, but that's just not what we're seeing in today.
01:02:33.580I've seen it. I'm not going to call anybody out, but I've seen it.
01:02:36.940Yeah, I mean, maybe you've seen it once or twice. I'm sure most people watching have, but that's just not what we're seeing on average across the country, right?
01:02:45.140I'm saying that, yes, I agree with that. On average across the country, I bet that's true.
01:02:50.300However, the whole country isn't made equal. And so, for instance, if I go to an average bar in Brooklyn, I'm going to get a different sliver of society than if I go to a traditional Latin mass in Wisconsin.
01:03:06.600And I guess my point is, it's kind of even silly to create an average of those things, because they're such radically different types of communities.
01:03:15.500And, uh, everything that I see is that the people who are, especially who are religiously active, but who are civically engaged, who are charitable, who are not thinking about themselves all the time, who are thinking about others and their countrymen, those people tend to be happier.
01:03:29.900I think they're flourishing on way more levels of success at a higher level than the people who live in this world.
01:03:36.600Very modern, secular, largely online kind of world. And so, I would just say, if you really wanted to max out your potential, isn't there an argument to say, actually, put down the testosterone, put down the camera, put down the internet, go move to some weirdo parish in the middle of nowhere and find some nice, I've seen, like, not good looking guys marry, like, definitely hotter girls and have, like, a nice family and have a kind of life that isn't even considered on the table in our modern culture.
01:04:06.100I, you know, I'm sure that we probably agree on most of this stuff, like, what's ideal, like, you know, being super in touch with your faith.
01:04:15.100But at the end of the day, all the stuff that you're talking about is just idealism. It's not realistic.
01:04:21.420I'm telling you, I've seen people do it.
01:05:48.580You probably can't pass a law because of a couple of Supreme Court cases, but I would strongly discourage that.
01:05:53.340The liberty to go just, like, randomly date a bunch of dudes in some city, I would strongly discourage that.
01:05:58.640The liberty to put off getting married and having kids so that you can go do spreadsheets at the widget factory, I would strongly discourage that.
01:06:04.940So, to answer your question, I guess the answer is yes, I would discourage a lot of what passes for modern liberty.
01:06:10.940Like, I don't think that the modern world is one that I like to live in at all.
01:06:15.100But I'm simply stating that you might as well adapt to the times instead of just, like, you know, doing all these copes like political activism when this is just the way that the world is going to go and the way that it's going to continue to go.
01:06:28.220People have been trying to, you know, turn the tines since the sexual revolution started to happen in the 70s.
01:06:37.780Everything you've been saying is all this, like, very manly, take control of your destiny, even so much so that you're going to alter your huber.
01:07:22.460My view, Michael, I don't have a liberal view of human beings.
01:07:25.140I don't think that we're just, like, individuals in isolation.
01:07:28.000I think we're the political creature, we're social animals, we live together, we work together, we are inclined naturally to live in an ordered society.
01:07:35.600And so, I think doing politics is the most basic, one of the most basic human impulses.
01:07:41.480And so, therefore, it's crazy to me to hear, well, you should go improve yourself, but don't try to improve your community.
01:37:46.400I think that's kind of just like how the world is these days.
01:37:50.640But I think the world is degenerate and effeminate.
01:37:54.120So I guess I agree with you on that point.
01:37:55.560It is degenerate, but it's like, okay, if we're living in a society that rewards like hypergamy and rewards having a lot of sexual partners and slaying,
01:38:06.780and you're like the top echelon of men, you're the president of the United States, you mog, and you're not taking advantage of that, that just seems like a missed opportunity to me.
01:38:17.940Do you think Bill Clinton's life improved because he did that thing with Monica in the Oval Office?
01:38:23.920Or do you think his life was worse because of it?
01:38:26.100I think it was worse because he didn't double down and just say like exactly what I'm saying now.
01:38:33.800I think he still would have gotten impeached, even if he got up there and mogged and said, I totally did it.
01:38:38.840Yeah, dude, I'm telling you, if he would have doubled down, I think people would find that to be funny.
01:39:04.800Principalities and powers and spiritual weakness in high places govern the world and the evil prosper often and the good are, you know, persecuted.
01:39:48.620I think that unless society was ready to rebuild, it's very much a cope to try to go against it and go against its ways, even if it's wrong.
01:40:23.860But you're saying, no, just, man, whatever, just go along with it.
01:40:26.900Yeah, go along with, you know, society and the direction it's taking, but make sure you position yourself in the most optimal way possible to take advantage of this.
01:41:19.940And there's this guy, Francisco Franco, maligned in some quarters.
01:41:24.060But this guy, Franco, cobbles together a bunch of people, many of whom don't disagree, some of whom are of kind of dubious character.
01:41:29.980And he cobbles them together to get the communists out of Iberia.
01:41:33.720These were people who were raping nuns and killing priests who would have destroyed the continent, given the Soviet Union a major foothold in Western Europe.
01:41:40.520And they got stopped because people weren't huge black pill doomers and thought they could actually do something.
01:41:47.820And indeed prayed to God, by the way, for grace to overcome daunting odds.
01:41:52.640And they didn't just throw their hands up in the air.
01:41:55.120Isn't that, if we're trying to give the most based example possible of, like, for real right-wingers who feel alienated from decadent liberal society, wouldn't that, doesn't that counter your argument?
01:42:05.940Well, that's more of a realistic thing.
01:42:07.940If the right-wing wasn't such a joke, I would be, you know, doing a show right alongside you, you know, advocating for these different things.
01:42:15.140But I think the entire system is just such a letdown that until...
01:42:26.620I don't necessarily think that it's exclusively Trump.
01:42:32.460Not exclusively, but he's the president. He's the head of it.
01:42:34.900I, yeah, I personally feel like the right-wing has not done what it's promised or provided any sort of hope, like, you know, maybe Franco did in the example that you just used.
01:42:46.940You know, obviously that's going to get clipped up and I'm a fascist.
01:42:49.860It's going to be that clip and I love trannies. Those are the two that are going to go.
01:42:53.540Yeah, now I'm a fascist and now you love trannies.
01:42:55.660Yeah, that's, which is worse? I don't know. I don't know which one's going to be worse on the internet.
01:42:59.620So, on your individual point, maybe just to bring it to a wrap, with all of these observations you're making, saying that from your view of looks-maxing and how man should live in society, you say, look, the guy who's going to overdose on opioids, let him. It's fine.
01:43:22.300Look, the pro-trans, you know, pro-baby-murder, guy who burns his cities down, Gavin Newsom, good, I want him to be president. Let's hurry it up.
01:43:31.920You know, I don't have time for a girlfriend. I don't want to think about other people. I want to do my stream and get wealthy and famous and look even better.
01:43:40.840Smash myself in the head with a hammer.
01:43:44.060One thing that would appear to be missing from your ideology is concern for other people.
01:43:52.300Um, yeah, and I haven't really clarified my position, is I care deeply about the struggles of the average male being unable to even find, like, a romantic partner.
01:44:07.040Like, you know, men 18 through 21 years old, two-thirds of them haven't had sex in six months.
01:44:13.220Good, they shouldn't. They should get married.
01:44:15.880Before they have sex. I'm not saying they get married at 18, but they should wait to have sex to get married.
01:44:19.080But that's just showing it's not even something that is, they're trying, that they're able to do, right, in this degenerate society because of how hypergamous it is.
01:44:28.180And not too long ago, before I was ascended, like, earlier this year, like, I was in the same position of, you know, the average everyday male, working job, um, maybe not as good-looking.
01:44:40.640And so, so I, I absolutely am very empathetic of that struggle, and I think that that's something that needs to be advocated for more than any political movement, right?
01:44:53.580But that would be a, wouldn't that be a political, a political, public, political just means public.
01:44:58.860Political in, in the context of, like, the stuff that we were just talking about.
01:45:02.220I think that men's issues are, are largely overlooked, but I'm saying for young men to succeed, they need to put themselves in the forefront,
01:45:11.420and all the other stuff about, you know, society, the direction it's taking, trainees in school, that needs to take a backseat for their individual struggle because they're really not doing well.
01:45:23.400Men are, are doing worse than they ever have in almost every metric, and the only way to overcome that is just focusing on oneself to the maximum, doing whatever it takes to ascend,
01:45:35.980and there's no place for any of the stuff that, you know, you're talking about in, in that mentality.
01:45:42.340Charity? There's no place for charity in that mentality?
01:45:45.340I guess my argument is you can't possibly, uh, improve yourself as a person if you don't have charity.
01:45:52.700To, uh, take St. Paul as an example, I think you could have every single virtue, you can be the most mogging, looks-maxed, giggy, super-chad in the world,
01:46:03.820doing weird stuff in the Oval Office, and if you lack charity, you have nothing, you're not, you're a clanging gong.
01:46:09.500But how could you be charitable if your disposition is, is so terrible in life? You've got no money, you've got no time, because you work three jobs?
01:46:18.820You could have two cents to work together, you could give one of them away, and that would be an act of charity.
01:46:39.740What I'm simply saying is that, you know, people need to be doing whatever they can to position themselves, uh, in a way that maybe they will be capable of the spirituality that you're talking about,
01:46:51.000but I think that people working three jobs just to make ends meet because of the economy, people who are unable to find a romantic partner, um, maybe we focus on the spiritual aspect
01:47:02.440after we've overcame, like, this horrible position that we're in.
01:47:33.980I'm going to focus on numero uno over here.
01:47:36.380To me, it just seems if you ignore that part, you're ignoring the key.
01:47:40.760You're saying, you know, I'm going to bake a loaf of bread and I'm going to have all the ingredients except the flour.
01:47:46.700What I'm saying is I care about young men, but if people decide to go that route of being drug addicts, it's going to take up my time as well as anyone else who I'm calling upon to join my political movement.
01:48:01.760It's going to take up their time to try to fix this issue of people who don't want to help themselves.
01:48:07.120So people who want to help themselves and people who genuinely want improvement, I'm all for that.
01:49:07.740But it's not, it's no, God offers to help everyone and, you know, in the course of justice, none of us would see salvation and we need to have grace for everybody.
01:49:16.140And I guess then my argument, even down from an individual standpoint is, your life would improve, you would live a fuller, better life.
01:49:23.820You would smile more at the end of your days and you would, I don't know, have more faith, hope, and charity.
01:49:30.700If you don't just think about yourself all the time, which I fear is a little bit of what the looks-maxing thing leads to.
01:49:55.580That's not like an immediate, like, on-paper result necessarily, where it's like increasing your looks, which is a tangible thing, or increasing your income, your status.
01:50:05.740Like, these are all very, like, tangible achievements.
01:50:07.400But your income, in my view, the looks and the money and the status.
01:50:28.040We're not going to live very long on this earth.
01:50:30.160We'll be here, I don't know, 80 years maybe by current standards.
01:50:34.580And then we're going to go take a dirt nap.
01:50:36.360And I think that that's not the end of the story because we're rational creatures with a rational soul.
01:50:40.060And so I think that there's eternity, too.
01:50:42.340And that you can't, it doesn't actually make any sense to consider the natural ends of life divorced from the supernatural ends of life because eternity is a lot longer than 80 years.
01:50:52.460Does that factor into your thinking at all or no?
01:51:13.940But simply what I'm suggesting is that you focus on the Lux Money status, increasing those, doing whatever it takes to achieve that.
01:51:22.340And after you've achieved that, your positioning will be better.
01:51:25.260What you're able to accomplish or what you're able to strive for increases exponentially.
01:51:31.240I think you would probably agree with that.
01:51:32.840Well, it depends what you mean by accomplish because I know a lot of very successful people on paper who are miserable, whose lives are wrecks, who have, you know, I don't know.
01:51:43.940Well, forget the anecdotes, but like conceptually, like if these three metrics are increased, what you're able to accomplish goes up.
01:52:20.400As a general concept across a society, you don't think that dialing up these three metrics would cause an increase in quality of life for men?
01:53:08.620I'm just saying there's some caution that goes with that, that should go with that.
01:53:12.260And if you, if, as you say, money, status, and looks are, I guess you're saying those are the end goal?
01:53:25.720Well, what I'm simply, where I was going, but I find that ridiculous for anyone to disagree that increasing these metrics is not a positive thing.
01:53:34.300But you just said money doesn't buy happiness.
01:53:35.900So you agreed with me previously, and now you're saying it's ridiculous to say that.
01:53:38.520I said, you know, you're potentially right, could money buy happiness in some cases, but is it a positive thing?
01:53:49.260But once you've achieved this, whether you want to go the spiritual route, what you're talking about, or, you know, maybe you don't choose that, maybe you're allowed, and you choose to be, you know, maybe degenerate.
01:54:01.060It's like, that's another whole conversation.
01:54:03.460I think we should just position ourselves and then figure out what men should do after that.
01:54:08.520I guess that's the conversation, because I think you've gotten to it in that last part, which is, well, look, if you live a good life, if you do the things that are associated with a good life, after the looks, money, and status, if you do the things that we consider to be, like, good, I think you'll have a good life.
01:54:53.320But if looks, money, and status increase your likelihood of having, let's say they can increase your likelihood of having a good life, or they can increase your likelihood of having a degenerate life, then they're not generally a positive thing.
01:55:06.460So a good life, in your context, with being spiritual and being charitable.
01:55:12.080I'm saying there's an object, just as you say there's an objectivity to beauty.
01:55:15.140I think there's an objectivity to the other transcendentals, truth and goodness.
01:55:19.920So that goodness is not just a subjective thing.
01:55:22.400You know, you like chocolate, I like vanilla.
01:55:23.820But actually, some things really are good, some things really are bad.
01:55:26.240And I would tend to agree with you a little bit that going the route of faith, going the route of humility, versus going around slaying a bunch of chicks after ascending, I'm more in your camp with that.
01:55:47.440But either way, I think just what I'm advocating for, increasing money status looks, just seems very logical, regardless of the route you choose to take.
01:55:58.860I advocate for what, you know, you're suggesting.
01:56:01.480That's just not the society we live in.
01:56:03.280So my realistic instinct is saying, okay, well, take advantage of how things are with, you know, the amount of women you're able to access now, just how it is.
01:56:14.620I don't really think that's a contradiction whatsoever.
01:56:21.120Well, if you're saying, look, yeah, Michael, I agree with you.
01:56:24.600It's once you've ascended, you shouldn't be just slaying all the time.
01:56:28.900You shouldn't be just like orientating.
02:00:42.000No, no, that won't really have, uh, an effect on my, my life, right?
02:00:45.980The FDA removed, like, the warning labels from testosterone.
02:00:49.800And what testosterone actually does to cause it's cardiotoxicity is it increases your lipids, right?
02:00:55.600Whereas retitrutide, which is a GLP-1, similar to Ozempic, came out, that lowers those lipids.
02:01:01.040So, you know, you're able to offset some of the aging.
02:01:04.940Um, the, the only thing that really would cause me to have some sort of, um, issues of longevity is sometimes I do recreational drugs, which is, is bad.