The Michael Knowles Show - Islam Is Superior & Supernatural Is Fake？ Catholic & Protestant Debunk ｜ Michael Knowles ft. Billy Hallowell

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00:00:17.220 Astral projection.

00:00:18.340 She's in his office.

00:00:19.160 She tells him, I know where the priest is.

00:00:20.960 I know what he's doing right now.

00:00:22.160 She describes the priest walking near the river.

00:00:24.340 He's wearing a blue jacket.

00:00:25.580 She's saying all these things, very specific details.

00:00:28.040 He calls the priest.

00:00:29.120 He says to the priest, what are you doing right now?

00:00:31.200 Where are you?

00:00:31.820 He then proceeds to tell him, I'm walking near the river.

00:00:34.360 I'm wearing a blue jacket.

00:00:35.680 All the details she was able to tell him.

00:00:37.460 You know, my position on, you know, are Muslims and Christians worshiping the same God? 0.96

00:00:42.100 No, they're not. 0.75

00:00:43.120 But then you'd say the Jews don't worship the same God. 1.00

00:00:45.560 Well, I think this is an interesting argument. 1.00

00:00:47.660 So hold on.

00:00:48.200 You're saying the biggest challenge to atheism is the nation state of Israel?

00:00:51.200 I do. 0.88

00:00:51.680 I think it is.

00:00:52.400 Now that we've juiced the algorithm with talk about the state of Israel.

00:00:55.700 I've ruined your show.

00:00:56.780 No, no, no.

00:00:57.460 That's much better, because now we got all the views up

00:00:59.380 so we can talk about angels and demons.

00:01:01.120 Keep going.

00:01:01.840 Aliens are angels and demons for materialists.

00:01:04.820 That's my view, which is why I think it's so important

00:01:06.560 that we investigate the supernatural 0.96

00:01:09.260 in our desiccated, degraded age

00:01:13.100 that doesn't recognize spiritual reality.

00:01:15.840 Well, I'm very pleased to be here with the filmmaker

00:01:18.360 of investigating the supernatural angels and demons.

00:01:21.700 That would be Billy Hallowell.

00:01:23.820 Billy, thank you for being here.

00:01:25.500 Thank you for having me.

00:01:27.460 I think there is more interest now in the supernatural

00:01:31.480 than there has been basically at any other point in my life.

00:01:34.900 Oh, 100%. 100%.

00:01:37.040 And I think even before this whole disclosure thing, right,

00:01:40.480 what happens every October?

00:01:42.340 15 movies come out about demons, right?

00:01:44.140 Yeah.

00:01:44.460 It's The Conjuring.

00:01:45.400 This goes back 10 years.

00:01:46.380 It goes back even further to The Exorcist.

00:01:47.880 But really, the last 10 years, we've seen a big uptick in this.

00:01:51.140 I think the reason is because people have a common experience, right?

00:01:55.380 Ghosts or claims of ghosts.

00:01:56.700 and I don't really believe in ghosts personally.

00:01:58.260 I think you're dealing with angels and demons always.

00:02:00.420 But all of those subjects have really bubbled up

00:02:03.080 in the last 10 years.

00:02:04.080 People are very interested.

00:02:05.120 Now you have aliens, you have UFOs, disclosures,

00:02:07.600 things we would have laughed at 10 years ago,

00:02:09.360 we're now talking about very openly.

00:02:11.220 But then even the way they talk about aliens,

00:02:13.700 because, you know, to my mind,

00:02:16.040 the aliens are either a hallucination

00:02:19.000 or an occult phenomenon.

00:02:20.640 But the reason it had to be Little Green Men

00:02:22.500 is because people were trapped in this materialist idea

00:02:26.160 that everything has to be physical.

00:02:27.900 Nothing can be immaterial.

00:02:29.160 But now, even when they talk about the aliens,

00:02:31.400 you'll hear people start to say,

00:02:32.500 well, I don't think they're intergalactic.

00:02:34.580 I think they're interdimensional.

00:02:37.040 Even the notion that there is more of a spiritual reality to them,

00:02:41.720 even that is becoming mainstream.

00:02:43.420 So for those who have not been convinced,

00:02:45.740 we have the producers compiling the very finest collection

00:02:49.600 of lib reddit tier materialist atheists

00:02:53.100 debunking the supernatural.

00:02:56.160 There's no evidence of anything supernatural.

00:02:58.720 Well, that's just not accurate.

00:03:00.000 There are medically documented cases of people with demonic possession

00:03:03.100 speaking in languages they don't know, for example.

00:03:05.740 Okay, medically documented cases of people with demonic possession

00:03:10.060 sounds awesome.

00:03:12.200 I would love to take a look at that, you know, medical documentation.

00:03:16.300 I get the feeling you're not going to provide any, are you?

00:03:18.980 We do have one source that was flashed on screen,

00:03:21.220 a book by Richard Gallagher called Demonic Foes.

00:03:24.580 Okay, I bought the book.

00:03:25.840 I only skimmed through a couple of chapters, but I did also watch a few of Dr. Gallagher's interviews.

00:03:30.640 In the book, he talks about some of his experiences with people he believes were demonically possessed,

00:03:35.740 including a woman he calls Julia.

00:03:37.860 Evidence for demonic possession consists principally in people like Julia having special powers.

00:03:42.960 But we don't have to take Dr. Gallagher's word for this.

00:03:45.200 Oh no, actually we can't, because he didn't see this himself.

00:03:48.520 That's not to say that I can prove she wasn't possessed, or that Dr. Gallagher's priests were mistaken or lying,

00:03:53.720 but this book, which is the only citation Redeemed Zuma provided, hardly fulfills my evidential

00:04:00.380 expectations. First of all, he's mistaken because Dr. Gallagher's in our film, first of all. So

00:04:05.380 Dr. Gallagher did see these things directly, did interact with Julia directly, and I'll tell you

00:04:11.160 one of the things he did see, okay? So I would love for them to be able to explain this. Julia

00:04:15.440 could astral project. Now, astral projection sounds ridiculous, it sounds sci-fi, but the ability to 0.99

00:04:20.920 see what is happening 50 miles away, 100 miles away when you're not physically there.

00:04:25.120 Now, Dr. Gallagher was a skeptic, and that's an important part that's obviously left out of this

00:04:28.820 when he came into this. Catholic Church came to him and said, look, you're a psychiatrist.

00:04:34.020 You're, you know, Ivy League educated. You teach at Columbia University. We want you to come in

00:04:38.120 and tell us whether this person is crazy or possessed. So he says, okay, I don't want to do

00:04:43.760 that because I'm a skeptic. They say you're the perfect person to do it. So he gets into it. He

00:04:47.300 meets Julia. Astral projection. She's in his office. She tells him, I know where the priest is.

00:04:52.560 I know what he's doing right now. She describes the priest walking near the river. He's wearing

00:04:56.360 a blue jacket. She's saying all these things, very specific details. Gallagher thinks it's

00:05:00.620 ridiculous. He calls the priest. He says to the priest, what are you doing right now? Where are 0.72

00:05:05.460 you? The priest says, you're with Julia, aren't you? He already knows the priest what's going on.

00:05:09.820 He then proceeds to tell him, I'm walking near the river. I'm wearing a blue jacket. All the

00:05:14.100 details, she was able to tell him. Now, she had no way to know that. She was sitting in his office,

00:05:18.260 so he specifically and directly heard this. That's just one of the examples. Another one,

00:05:23.280 and this one's kind of funny, the night before he met Julia, the priest brings Julia to his house.

00:05:28.380 The night before that, he wakes up Dr. Gallagher, and his cats are losing their minds, okay? He has

00:05:32.720 these two cats. They're fighting him and his wife. They get up. They separate the cats out, and they're

00:05:36.280 like, what in the world is going on? The next morning, Julia's at his door with the priest. One

00:05:40.200 of the first things she says to him. They've never met. She knows nothing about him. How did you like

00:05:44.760 what happened with your cats last night? So that's his first interaction with this woman. Now, there 0.89

00:05:49.460 are plenty of other details that are more convincing than that, but the fact he didn't know and didn't

00:05:53.240 interact is not accurate. Yeah. What is astral projection in your mind? Because I've heard about

00:05:59.240 this. It's like a new agey thing, but you see claims of it that go much further back. How does

00:06:06.380 it work? Because I think I have a theory. Here's my theory. I mean, how it works is essentially

00:06:10.160 demons, which will transmit information to you, just like automatic writing. They're basically

00:06:14.660 telling you, here's what's going on. The priest is walking near the river. Here's what he's doing.

00:06:18.400 You believe you're able to have this special ability because you're so special. You're so

00:06:22.140 awesome. You can see it's not you. It's the demons delivering that information to you.

00:06:26.080 Yeah, because there's a parallel within the Christian life with the claims of mystics

00:06:32.080 throughout the centuries to be able to bilocate.

00:06:34.800 And it almost sounds like it's the same thing.

00:06:36.960 Now, bilocation or astral projection

00:06:39.020 would not necessarily contradict

00:06:40.920 any laws of physics or metaphysics

00:06:44.980 in the sense that you can't be in two places

00:06:47.660 at the same time in the same respect,

00:06:50.480 but you could, in principle,

00:06:52.180 be in two places at the same time in different respects.

00:06:55.420 And so some of the claims of Christian mystics

00:06:57.160 throughout the ages or about Christian mystics

00:06:59.480 is that they could bilocate,

00:07:00.580 which which superficially seems similar to astral projection but the difference

00:07:04.880 of course would be one is you have a sort of special grace or power thanks to

00:07:11.340 God and the other is that you're dealing with the occult and demons are telling

00:07:15.240 you see they're giving you the information yes you just you hit on

00:07:17.920 something that I've discovered you know I wrote a book in 2020 called playing

00:07:20.620 with fire I looked at this from a journalist perspective what do what do 0.77

00:07:23.580 Christians believe about evil and I started encountering this pattern all

00:07:26.740 the things that God does you know prophecy right let's talk about prophecy 0.98

00:07:30.280 We see that throughout scripture, right?

00:07:31.560 The ability, God is giving a message to people.

00:07:33.920 It's coming from God and they're giving us prophecy.

00:07:36.340 I think Israel and, you know, not to bring up a debated topic,

00:07:39.400 a lot of people believe the book of Ezekiel and other Old Testament books

00:07:42.200 are prophesying things that even haven't happened yet,

00:07:44.700 but 1948 would be one big thing that has happened.

00:07:47.140 Okay, that's prophecy.

00:07:48.560 Is that controversial now?

00:07:49.720 I don't think it is, but apparently there are some podcasters and hosts that think it is.

00:07:54.760 Okay, so you've got that.

00:07:56.560 Then you have psychics.

00:07:58.060 So Satan perverts every single thing God does with a counterfeit of it.

00:08:02.340 So psychics are saying, well, we can predict the future, too.

00:08:04.860 We're able to do that.

00:08:05.880 But they're not getting those messages from God.

00:08:07.780 They're getting those messages from demons.

00:08:09.580 People would dismiss psychics.

00:08:11.040 They would say it's not true.

00:08:12.360 I know plenty of ex-psychics. 0.95

00:08:13.920 In fact, some of them you've had on your show, Jen Nees, it would be one of them.

00:08:16.600 Yeah, who would tell you what that was like, what that experience was like.

00:08:19.740 And they thought they were interacting with these spirit guides that were actually demons.

00:08:23.440 So this goes down the line.

00:08:25.420 And even in possession cases, people will say there's oil dripping down the wall sometimes, right? 0.99

00:08:29.720 Well, what do Christians do? 1.00

00:08:31.000 They anoint the sick with oil. 1.00

00:08:32.380 So you see this again and again, this pattern.

00:08:34.800 And I think astral projection and what you were just, the bilocating, that's sort of another example of that.

00:08:39.100 Yeah, yeah.

00:08:39.900 You know, the thing is, though, the audience right now didn't hear a single thing

00:08:43.900 because now they're all fighting in the comments over whether or not the nation state of Israel is prophetic.

00:08:47.860 Well, it is.

00:08:48.800 So there we go.

00:08:49.720 It's solved.

00:08:51.240 That, should we get it?

00:08:53.320 Because we could do like two hours on this. 0.94

00:08:54.720 No, we won't get sidetracked by the nation state of Israel. 0.97

00:08:59.140 I wrote a book on that. 0.99

00:09:00.040 It's called Armageddon Code.

00:09:01.300 Yeah, check it out.

00:09:02.500 All right.

00:09:02.860 Well, before Armageddon strikes, what's the next one?

00:09:05.760 There is no such thing as demon, witches, juju, ghosts, or spirits.

00:09:11.620 Not on it, not anywhere in our universe.

00:09:14.620 If something can be observed, measured, or tested, how can it interact with atoms?

00:09:20.180 How can it move energy?

00:09:21.800 How can it affect the physical world at all?

00:09:24.080 For thousands of years, every single claim of magic or spirit collapsed the moment real evidence was demanded.

00:09:33.040 Not one survived.

00:09:34.980 Why?

00:09:35.480 Because you can't move an object without a force.

00:09:38.760 You can't create fear without a brain.

00:09:41.820 Nothing can affect reality without physical laws.

00:09:45.780 And if you claim otherwise, provide your evidence for one.

00:09:49.060 I'm waiting.

00:09:50.860 Was that an Aramaic?

00:09:52.260 I don't...

00:09:53.260 what did he say it was a lot of yelling and kind of english okay did you get anything out of that

00:09:59.960 i think what he's saying is there's no proof whatsoever of of witchcraft or demons or or any

00:10:05.840 sort of non-physical force impacting anything physically which i don't know how much proof

00:10:10.740 people need i will tell you this i'm actually skeptical like naturally skeptical so when i got

00:10:14.660 sent out to do all these investigations and look at these stories i'm like okay you say you were

00:10:18.580 impacted by a demon you say you interacted with an angel prove it to me and i have a high bar for

00:10:22.900 what I want to be proven to me. But when you interact with people and they provide details

00:10:27.280 that can no other way could they be possible, you have to start to say to yourself, well,

00:10:31.380 what's going on here? Like for instance, a miracle, can you prove a miracle? Well, not a hundred

00:10:35.660 percent, but I think you can get 99% of the way there where I could say, well, I have no other

00:10:40.280 explanation for how that brain tumor disappeared. I have no other explanation for how this person

00:10:44.940 was healed of paralysis, right? The same goes for the demonic realm. And I would also pose this

00:10:49.460 question it's interesting to me we're sitting here having this conversation it's 2026 people

00:10:53.840 have been having this conversation since the beginning of humanity why why do people continue

00:10:58.100 to have this conversation because there's a common experience and we see this in anthropology we see

00:11:02.360 it in sociology that people are experiencing things they can't explain they'll attribute it

00:11:07.180 to ghosts they'll attribute it to all sorts of things right they may not have a good theological

00:11:10.360 framework but it's happening and if you ask americans at a high rate they will say i either

00:11:15.600 have experienced this or i've seen somebody else who has yeah yeah so again are all these people

00:11:20.840 lying is everybody lying or is something going on my friend drew clavin makes this point he says

00:11:25.880 you walk into a party you ask people have you ever seen a ghost he said just about everybody in the

00:11:30.600 party is going to tell you they have maybe not literally everyone but you at the very least you

00:11:35.280 walk into a room of 10 people guaranteed at least one of them probably many more are going to tell

00:11:39.500 you, they've seen a ghost. And yet, in our modern life, we say that's totally crazy.

00:11:45.140 Right.

00:11:46.320 Virtually everyone everywhere for all of history has said that something has happened.

00:11:49.780 Then something's happening.

00:11:50.460 Yes. And even beyond that, we're talking about the supernatural here versus the merely natural.

00:11:55.360 It seems to me that we can deduce, infer the existence of the supernatural from the mere

00:12:01.200 fact that the natural world is contingent, caused, subject to change, temporal. So if

00:12:09.400 there is if there is this thing called the natural which you know is contingent and caused and all

00:12:16.060 the rest mustn't there be a supernatural on which it rests I mean I would even argue and obviously

00:12:21.740 this isn't proof but it's interesting we're sitting here we're cognizant we're having a

00:12:25.140 conversation where did we come from how did we get here how is this even happening why are our

00:12:29.780 words intelligible there you go well but his were not intelligent they were but ours are they were

00:12:33.960 not there was a lot of I heard yelling and anger over witchcraft that's all I heard but I do think

00:12:37.960 it is, it is interesting because, you know, all of this is miraculous and yet we've become so

00:12:42.600 material that we walk outside, we see flowers growing, these amazing things that God created

00:12:47.300 and we assume, Oh, Oh, like whatever, no big deal. It's all miraculous. Our earth would either

00:12:52.820 freeze or burn if we were off our axis at all. I mean, all of these things scientifically do not

00:12:58.080 make sense. And yet here we are. And so the idea that we have a creator, all of that, but I think

00:13:02.440 specifically on these issues, when you start to get into the cases, which is what we did in the

00:13:06.660 film, you know, and you start to look at them. I mean, Richard Gallagher, he had many other

00:13:10.400 cases that were incredibly compelling. And these are cases that have been verified, yes,

00:13:14.420 scientifically, yes, medically, and he's not alone. What is, what is tough about this is a lot of

00:13:19.460 people, they have these experiences, a lot of doctors, right? They see miracles, they see

00:13:23.340 healing, healings. They can't talk about it. They're afraid to talk about it because of that

00:13:27.320 reaction. And yet we're pretending this isn't mainstream when most Americans actually have

00:13:32.400 experienced it and agree with it, which I think is super interesting. All right, next one.

00:13:35.400 The chance of you being you, existing now, the chance of that sperm hitting that egg, is 400 trillion to one.

00:13:41.760 And I think life is like a holiday. We don't exist for 13 and a half billion years.

00:13:46.020 Then we have these 80, 90 years if we're lucky. Then we die, never to exist again.

00:13:50.060 And some people are even offended by that. They go, you can't say that.

00:13:53.820 It can't be chance. It's too good. Someone must have made it all.

00:13:57.240 And I'm too special. I can't just not exist. I'll live again. I'll go to heaven.

00:14:02.500 i'll be with my friends and family or i'll come back as a spirit and i'll walk amongst you

00:14:06.180 or i'll be reincarnated i'll come back as someone else that would just be someone else

00:14:11.060 that's all that's happened you're not involved that is just that's actually a good point someone

00:14:18.220 else right many people believe in reincarnation of course some people even claim they remember

00:14:23.880 who they were in a previous life um there's a society in america of course um in california

00:14:30.980 of course, right?

00:14:33.020 And they remember who they were in a previous life.

00:14:35.540 And they're always someone pretty special

00:14:36.760 in their previous life.

00:14:38.200 Not so much in the life they've got now.

00:14:41.280 But I saw a documentary about it,

00:14:43.580 and every year they have a come-as-you-were party

00:14:45.820 where they go dressed as the person they were in history.

00:14:49.860 Two Napoleons.

00:14:54.280 I kind of agree with him on that. 0.87

00:14:55.940 I mean, the first part where he's mocking people

00:14:57.860 for recognizing that there's a spiritual aspect

00:15:00.300 to human nature and to life. 0.92

00:15:02.440 That part's kind of silly, read it to your atheism.

00:15:04.720 But the part where he's making fun 0.52

00:15:06.060 of the neo-gnostic, new age, woo-woo,

00:15:08.420 reincarnation stuff, that's spot on. 0.98

00:15:10.720 It is, it's silly.

00:15:12.020 I mean, look, at the end of the day, 0.60

00:15:13.580 I go where the evidence is, right?

00:15:15.220 So my thing is, when you look at scripture,

00:15:17.040 and I know the minute you say that,

00:15:18.020 people are like, well, you can't look

00:15:19.240 at scripture as evidence.

00:15:20.400 I start to look at what does the archeology say, right?

00:15:23.140 What do the facts say on prophecy?

00:15:25.180 I think 1948 is super interesting.

00:15:26.960 I actually think Ezekiel 36 to 37

00:15:29.180 is the biggest challenge to atheism that exists in the Bible.

00:15:32.240 So hold on, you're saying the biggest challenge to atheism

00:15:34.500 is the nation state of Israel? 0.78

00:15:35.840 I do, I think it is.

00:15:37.120 What would you say, though, to the vast majority of Christians on earth

00:15:40.960 who say that the nation state of Israel

00:15:43.840 has nothing to do with biblical prophecy?

00:15:45.620 I would say I think they're wrong.

00:15:48.380 Now, here's what I would say, though.

00:15:49.780 I would say that it's more complicated than both sides probably want to admit.

00:15:54.140 I think you have a situation, like let's talk about the odds.

00:15:56.580 What are the odds that a nation, no other nation in the history of the world, has been absent from a map for 1,900 years, let's say, 2,400 years, reemerges on the map, and people are going to say, okay, well, human beings made that happen.

00:16:07.880 That's going to be the argument.

00:16:08.700 Human beings, and God works through human beings, so we see that in Scripture, so there's no conflict there.

00:16:13.940 But the reality is looking at the details of what preceded that. 0.76

00:16:18.100 It was the Holocaust. 0.75

00:16:19.060 You have these horrific events, and you have a pattern throughout history, and we can't do this justice in the amount of time we have.

00:16:24.040 But we have a pattern throughout history of the Jewish people being targeted and attempted to 0.77

00:16:29.620 wipe them out. You go back to Queen Esther, you go back to what happened with Haman there. 0.60

00:16:33.840 I mean, from the beginning of time, you go back to 400 years in slavery again and again and again.

00:16:38.560 And I think you see the same demonic spirit appearing on October 7th, right? You see this

00:16:42.700 same quest, this irrational quest to wipe the Jewish people out. So the idea that you would 1.00

00:16:48.040 have a portion of scripture, even let's say that, okay, let's say Israel was forced back onto the 0.81

00:16:53.300 at by people only.

00:16:54.520 I think that...

00:16:55.140 Like the British Empire, for instance?

00:16:56.380 Right, okay.

00:16:57.100 Now, I'm not, and I'm not disagreeing that there were, you know, human factions that

00:17:00.800 did usher this in, but the conditions around it, if you were to put, you know, like, what 0.79

00:17:06.140 are the odds that it was the Holocaust that really sparked that, the quest that really

00:17:09.760 sparked that... 1.00

00:17:10.680 Well, no, the odds would be good. 1.00

00:17:11.940 If you're saying that the people have tried to kill the Jews for all of history, which 1.00

00:17:15.380 is true, then you say, all right, and then the latest sort of most ghastly modern industrial 1.00

00:17:21.120 attempt was the Holocaust. And that after the Holocaust, people, especially being that the 0.96

00:17:27.300 good guys won, people would have sympathy for the stateless. I mean, there are plenty of stateless

00:17:32.040 peoples, right? The Tibetans, the Uyghurs, the Gypsies, the Kurds. But this one stateless group

00:17:38.420 was targeted and nearly exterminated. And there had coincidentally been a nationalist movement

00:17:45.060 that rose up in the middle of the 19th century, really more toward the end of the 19th century.

00:17:48.980 And they said, hey, we want this land that we've been longing for for 2,000 years.

00:17:52.840 And, hey, global superpower, can we please have it?

00:17:56.080 And they say, yeah, that seems nice.

00:17:57.480 To me that, as someone who is not like a Christian Zionist or a Christian nationalist for that matter,

00:18:04.860 though I like nationalism and Christianity, but as someone who doesn't take that,

00:18:08.820 like I kind of justify the state of Israel on international law.

00:18:12.200 Sure, political grounds.

00:18:13.200 Political grounds.

00:18:13.860 But I could see, I can give a lot of natural explanations for how the state of Israel comes

00:18:21.260 about, especially because what it really gets down to and what everyone's fighting about in

00:18:25.120 the comments right now is the church for all of history, just about, has understood herself to

00:18:30.580 be the new Israel, the spiritual Israel, a view that is in some quarters in recent decades really

00:18:35.680 opposed. But I guess my view on it is, if the vast majority of Christians for all of history

00:18:43.680 have believed this thing, and you believe this other thing, how would that be your greatest

00:18:50.580 evidence against atheism? So I think one of the reasons why people believed that thing for so

00:18:55.080 long was because nobody could imagine a world in which Israel could ever be back on the map again

00:19:00.120 after 80, 70, right? Like, I think there was this real struggle that people had to imagine,

00:19:04.800 well, how would that even be possible? And so a lot of people gave up on the idea of a physical

00:19:08.440 Israel, and it became sort of this ingrained thing. Well, God must have meant something

00:19:12.580 different there, or maybe it was talking about the Assyrian or the Babylonian captivity.

00:19:16.500 The church was trying to claim the state of the Holy Land for itself.

00:19:19.860 That was the Crusades. Again, that self-understanding of Israel. So it wasn't 0.98

00:19:24.660 like the Christians were saying, if only we could get the Jews back to Tel Aviv, we'd be so happy.

00:19:29.080 They didn't even care about it. Right. And my point is, what we 1.00

00:19:32.680 see now, though, is exactly what you see in Ezekiel 36-37, which is a country comprised of

00:19:38.600 Jewish people, okay? And people will argue they're not really the Jewish people. Well, they are. Most

00:19:42.360 of them are. I think they're the Jews. Well, they're the Jews, right? I met the black Hebrew 1.00

00:19:46.020 Israelites one time, and they told me they were the Jews, but I'm more convinced by... You weren't

00:19:49.800 convinced they were not, but... Yeah, I think... But it's the conditions in 36-37 that I think are 1.00

00:19:54.360 really interesting. The conditions that the country would be more prosperous than it would ever be,

00:19:58.280 that you would have them come from every nation, right?

00:20:00.700 I mean, those are things that are very specific.

00:20:03.260 And I think when you start to pull it all together,

00:20:05.960 it becomes something at the very least

00:20:08.360 that I think causes you to say,

00:20:10.160 huh, we've never seen that happen before anywhere.

00:20:13.380 Now, I understand the opposition to it, 0.99

00:20:15.160 but I also think Christians have to be careful. 1.00

00:20:17.020 I know this is not what we were even here to talk, 1.00

00:20:18.360 but here we are. 1.00

00:20:19.340 Christians have to be super careful. 1.00

00:20:21.180 Like Jewish people are not Christian people, right? 1.00

00:20:23.620 Some are. 1.00

00:20:24.320 Some are. 1.00

00:20:25.000 They're Messianic.

00:20:25.440 No, not just Messianic.

00:20:27.100 all the first Christians were Jews, plenty of Jewish converts throughout history, many of Jewish

00:20:31.200 converts today. Yes, a hundred percent. I mean, I'm referring to currently practicing Jewish people

00:20:36.240 or, and look, it's a secular state, essentially, you know, Israel. So, you know, so there's some

00:20:40.920 other factors there, but I think sometimes people treat it as though it has been merged,

00:20:45.100 like Christians are merged together with them theologically. We're obviously not. There's a

00:20:48.760 separation and you've got to be careful with that. And I think you can believe, and I'll just say

00:20:52.260 this and then we can put it throughout. You can believe that there is a prophetic significance to

00:20:57.320 Israel while, and also believe that the church is the fulfillment of that promise. You can believe

00:21:01.940 those two things together. Yeah, you know, that's getting closer to my view, which is the church is

00:21:07.860 the new Israel, the spiritual Israel. I think that the prophecies that pertain to Israel as such

00:21:13.340 really are figures of the church and all of that. I have hold very traditional views on that.

00:21:19.960 However, I do kind of wonder if the nation state of 1948 is not a little bit of a wink of providence.

00:21:27.680 Is there not at least like a little bit of significance to it?

00:21:30.740 I know that's...

00:21:31.580 Maybe we're more aligned.

00:21:32.760 Yeah, yeah.

00:21:33.300 I don't, again, like they're certainly not synonymous in any way.

00:21:36.300 I don't really, certainly wouldn't justify the state on exegetical grounds.

00:21:40.720 But, you know, the thing is, if you believe in providence, everything has some significance.

00:21:46.660 Like, if you believe in providence,

00:21:47.940 that this is a deeply semiotic world

00:21:50.280 in which God is expressing, you know,

00:21:52.680 abundant meaning to us

00:21:53.740 that we could never fully comprehend,

00:21:55.640 you do wonder, when there are major global events,

00:21:58.000 you know, if...

00:21:58.580 Why does it always center around Israel?

00:22:00.140 Right, yeah, well, or even...

00:22:01.460 No, I was going to go even further than that.

00:22:02.900 Like, Constantine at the Milvian Bridge,

00:22:04.940 when he has this vision of Christ

00:22:06.480 and raises the Christian standard

00:22:07.900 and it converts the entire Roman Empire,

00:22:09.840 like, that's a pretty significant event, you know?

00:22:13.900 and it doesn't necessarily have to be prophesied in Scripture.

00:22:17.260 But that is my kind of like one, it's my dipping my toe

00:22:20.920 into that specifically sort of Protestant thing.

00:22:23.860 What about, okay, Revelation?

00:22:25.900 I think when you read Revelation, and I know another powder keg.

00:22:29.960 That's always what a priest told me.

00:22:31.280 He said, Michael, anyone who tells you he understands the book of Revelation is a madman.

00:22:35.460 It's complicated, okay?

00:22:36.800 I've read it a million times, and every time I read it, I'm like,

00:22:38.380 oh, I wonder what's going on there.

00:22:39.540 But it does feel like Israel's a physical location again in Revelation.

00:22:44.180 It does, right?

00:22:45.160 And I believe a good chunk of Revelation is unfulfilled.

00:22:48.740 Okay, that's my belief.

00:22:49.700 So that's interesting to me.

00:22:51.180 And again, it brings me back to what is going on prophetically.

00:22:53.320 So I think you can believe both of those things.

00:22:54.980 I think we've chosen that you have to be one or the other.

00:22:57.100 It's like, well, no, I think there's significance prophetically to Israel still.

00:23:01.600 And I do believe that there is a promise to Israel that does not just end at the church.

00:23:05.560 I do believe that.

00:23:06.300 You're talking about the Jews.

00:23:07.600 I do.

00:23:08.000 now now that they'll convert at the end well some may i mean that's that that is one idea of what

00:23:14.400 could be going on in revelation the 144 000 there's lots of different theories about that you

00:23:17.960 know so um i think it'll be interesting to see what happens i don't know but what i do know is

00:23:22.820 i i do believe there's a prophetic significance and i do think that ezekiel 36 to 37 is a challenge

00:23:28.320 to atheism is a is a one of the bible's premier challenges to atheism but it's not more than like

00:23:34.120 the resurrection well no the resurrection is the best let me rephrase the the old testament in the

00:23:39.020 old testament i think it is the biggest yes yeah that's and that's pretty interesting the other

00:23:42.960 crucial part here speak pun intended now that we've juiced the algorithm with talk about the

00:23:49.000 state of israel i've ruined your shows no no no that's much better because now we got all the

00:23:52.940 views up so we can talk about angels and demons keep going hey people a supernatural explanation

00:23:58.640 should only be accepted when the supernatural has been proven to exist. Theists claim the

00:24:04.360 supernatural as an explanation for things, yet to date have not proven the supernatural to exist.

00:24:09.920 So, until they can, any explanation that invokes the supernatural should be dismissed.

00:24:16.220 Now the rebuttals. What is supernatural? The supernatural is anything that is not natural

00:24:21.860 nor bound to natural laws such as physics. An example of this would be ghosts, specters, demons,

00:24:28.640 The supernatural cannot be tested empirically.

00:24:31.700 This is a false statement.

00:24:34.100 If people claim to speak to the dead or an all-knowing deity, that can be empirically investigated and verified.

00:24:41.500 An example are the self-proclaimed prophets that said God told them personally that Trump would have won the last U.S. elections, which was false.

00:24:50.220 It's metaphysical.

00:24:51.680 This is irrelevant.

00:24:53.260 As if the supernatural can interact with the physical world, it can be detected.

00:24:56.940 An example are psychics who claim they can move objects with their minds or people who channel slash control spirits.

00:25:05.300 Personal experiences.

00:25:07.780 Hearsay is hearsay.

00:25:09.080 And not only I really don't care about it, it's totally irrelevant and useless to prove anything if not accompanied by an empirical evidence.

00:25:18.120 So, no.

00:25:21.340 This is quite the Karen session.

00:25:23.780 I mean, so what is natural?

00:25:26.920 It always makes me laugh because these people decide, like, oh, no, we've decided what is natural and what is not, right?

00:25:31.640 Because all the things we talked about before, yeah, it's natural, it's material, I get it.

00:25:35.080 But I actually think it's all supernatural still, like the flowers growing outside, the trees, you and I being able to talk.

00:25:39.760 So they've made a decision on what they believe is natural.

00:25:41.820 Everything else is supernatural.

00:25:43.640 What these people do, I mean, look, I have sat, and I'm not proud of this, before I really understood the danger of this,

00:25:49.360 where I listened to a psychic talk to somebody in my family.

00:25:53.420 And this psychic picked up a pair of glasses

00:25:55.660 from my dead grandfather

00:25:57.020 and picked those glasses up

00:25:59.960 and started telling people in our family

00:26:02.360 details that this person could have never known

00:26:04.220 down to the detail of the man who manned,

00:26:09.080 one of my family members worked in a prison.

00:26:10.720 The man who worked the front of that prison,

00:26:13.200 his name was Bud,

00:26:14.220 and not a name you would traditionally know.

00:26:16.180 She could name him, talk about what he looked like.

00:26:18.080 she knew everything by touching these glasses. How else do you explain that? So people have

00:26:22.160 plenty of examples that would defy everything he just cared about, that would very much prove.

00:26:28.660 So individual experiences do matter because in the collective, again, they point to evidence.

00:26:33.900 He also, he says you can't prove anything without hard, tangible, empirical evidence.

00:26:39.160 But he doesn't really believe that because I can know something about justice. Justice is giving

00:26:44.560 to each what he deserves. I can know that definitively. And I have to know that. We

00:26:49.600 have to make conclusions about that. That's the only way we can have a society. I can't touch

00:26:54.120 justice. Or freedom or liberty. Or freedom or liberty or grace or virtue or anything. So we all

00:27:00.720 do that. In fact, we can come to conclusions about mathematics without empirical evidence. I guess

00:27:05.360 one plus one equals two. I guess we have empirical evidence for that. But there's a lot of

00:27:10.500 mathematics that we don't have empirical evidence for. So even that, that very reductive empiricist

00:27:15.880 view is kind of silly by any standard, a standard by which we all live our lives.

00:27:20.660 No, absolutely. I mean, you create a standard, again, what is natural? You create the standard

00:27:24.240 that's ridiculous to begin with, and then you have a measurement that everything else that does have

00:27:27.980 evidence, you're just dismissing it all when these people, I mean, look, I've spent now years looking

00:27:32.920 at this stuff, and I want it to not be true half the time because I want to poke the hole in it.

00:27:37.400 I want to be like, oh, I caught you.

00:27:38.860 You lied.

00:27:39.780 Too often, I'm in a position where I'm finding myself saying these details.

00:27:44.020 Like, do you want me to give you an example?

00:27:45.280 Because this one's kind of wild.

00:27:46.440 Okay, so in our most recent film, there's a man who, Bruce Venata, who died, crushed

00:27:51.840 underneath a semi-truck.

00:27:53.020 He was a mechanic.

00:27:53.740 He's under the semi-truck doing work on it, falls off the jack.

00:27:56.740 Semi-truck lands on him, crushes his torso, his abdomen rather, dies under this truck.

00:28:03.120 Now, the EMTs come.

00:28:04.900 This man claims he, now it sounds crazy.

00:28:06.880 He rose above his body 15 feet.

00:28:08.440 We've heard these stories.

00:28:09.380 He's looking at these two angels, putting their hands on his abdomen.

00:28:12.820 And he also has a miracle, which we could talk about after.

00:28:15.660 He's talking about all these things that happened.

00:28:17.260 Now, this man, they could not do any CPR on him because of the injuries.

00:28:20.500 He comes to on his own in the middle of he's severed five arteries, which nobody's ever survived severing five arteries.

00:28:26.880 Now, we could say he's lying.

00:28:29.400 But this man was able to describe the EMTs who came through the back door of that building, what they were wearing, what they looked like.

00:28:36.060 He could pick them out of a lineup six weeks later.

00:28:37.900 The only way that man could have known

00:28:39.580 who those people were,

00:28:40.300 he was dead under a truck,

00:28:41.900 is if he were 15 feet above his body

00:28:43.780 staring at that door.

00:28:45.020 There are lots of examples like this.

00:28:46.780 Are we just going to dismiss them all?

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00:30:03.460 level. Because I don't know, I'm not a philosopher. I'm not a theologian. I'm certainly not a

00:30:07.520 biologist. And so I just try to get basic about it. I know that part of me is intellect and will.

00:30:16.860 Maybe not the most abundant intellect, but enough that I can speak. You're pretty smart. Thank you.

00:30:20.680 I appreciate it. It's intellect and will. I desire things. I pursue those desires. And I

00:30:26.500 think about things universally in a different way than lower animals have, which is instinct and

00:30:32.340 appetite, so much so that my intellect sometimes can override my appetites, hopefully, and

00:30:37.720 through the force of my higher will. And then I would say to the doctor, the biologist,

00:30:42.040 I'd say, hey, cut me open, find the intellect. In that case, they would say the brain. But

00:30:46.640 the brain is not synonymous with the intellect. I know this because the brain, like all physical

00:30:51.840 organs, can receive physical things, electrical impulses. My eyes can receive color. My hands

00:30:58.420 can receive texture, but my intellect deals in universals, things that can't be touched.

00:31:04.480 And so a merely physical object could not receive immaterial forms. Therefore, it doesn't

00:31:10.660 take Plato or Aristotle for me to come to the conclusion that part of me is immaterial.

00:31:16.640 My will, what is my will? Why is it that when I want to eat the cookie, my disciplined will

00:31:21.820 will say, no, I want to be healthy, I want to be thin and sexy more than I want to eat

00:31:26.620 the cookie. Where's that part of me? Find that. You can't actually identify it. And so isn't the

00:31:34.460 simpler explanation that we are what we have always thought ourselves to be, which is in part

00:31:40.540 physical, but in part spiritual? Absolutely. I mean, I think one of the most dangerous things

00:31:44.640 that's happened, particularly on the secular side and the left, is this idea that we're almost

00:31:49.360 animals. I mean, it's like the way that they treat human beings is, you know, we just, we have all

00:31:53.800 these base instincts that we have to satisfy and that's where we are and that's all that matters

00:31:58.120 and whatever feels good whatever you think is good this crazy relativism that doesn't work which is

00:32:02.760 one reason why so many young people are coming to faith because guess what they're realizing this is

00:32:06.700 all a lie and it's all hitting them they're the first generation gen z the first generation to

00:32:11.260 grow up on smartphones and tablets and all this chaos really i mean i'm an elderly millennial i'm

00:32:15.840 42 so like we kind of had it but they really have it and they've hit this wall and they're like wow

00:32:20.500 none of this was true. None of this works. And we need a real answer. Now, the danger is that

00:32:25.300 they're looking for all different answers. So you see the rise of the occult among young women in 0.95

00:32:28.520 particular, but you see the rise of Christianity in particular among young men. And so the goal 0.69

00:32:33.600 is get the truth out to as many people as you can, because these young people, they're hungry

00:32:39.180 for it. But I think in some ways, what the left has done and what the secular side has done

00:32:43.940 has actually led to that. Unfortunately, there's a lot of bodies laying out there and a lot of

00:32:48.760 tragedy that's happened on the gender front and all these other issues because of that but it is

00:32:52.520 interesting to watch the realization of what you just said come to fruition in these young people

00:32:56.740 yeah no i because people recognize that the materialist explanation is just insufficient

00:33:02.120 and that there are phenomena that they experience and desires that they deeply feel

00:33:06.820 that that are not satisfied by it and then the problem to your point especially the young women

00:33:11.840 is they say and that's why i'm gonna put crystals in my front yard it's like well hold on it's like

00:33:18.280 okay i'm gonna sage my house and put yeah i'm like in a way the crystals are kind of an improvement 0.99

00:33:25.540 over atheist materialism but you know what's even cooler than sage around your stupid like 0.99

00:33:31.860 whitewashed millennial living room or crystals in your yard you know it's more even more um how 1.00

00:33:36.380 about a beautiful altar of sacrifice uh in the christian faith which is predicated on the fact

00:33:42.780 that a man died and rose from the dead yeah like that's more interesting to me than sage well

00:33:47.640 because it all goes back to where do you see the power do you see the power in yourself because

00:33:51.820 that's what the left has sold the left has sold this idea that we have the power in ourselves

00:33:55.980 that we can make all the best decisions it's all about us that does not work that has let us down

00:34:01.220 complete chaos and a lot of us for a long time we were just willing to let it happen like oh yeah 0.99

00:34:05.320 don't worry about those kids over there that they're transing it's like what in the world 0.99

00:34:08.740 is going on and i think we've had a little bit of a semblance of a wake up now where everyone's like 0.67

00:34:13.820 oh, no, we can actually talk about the truth right now.

00:34:16.040 And so we're in this unique window where I actually think

00:34:18.720 this supernatural conversation is especially important

00:34:21.140 because I actually believe that the supernatural,

00:34:23.960 and this is kind of wild because all these people are wrong.

00:34:26.160 The supernatural is an apologetics tool,

00:34:28.200 and I never thought of it this way.

00:34:30.040 If you can prove that miracles are real,

00:34:31.940 if you can prove that angels and demons are real,

00:34:33.920 that there's a spiritual realm and that these stories are happening,

00:34:36.800 a lot of young people are going to find that to be the one key

00:34:39.940 that actually puts them over the edge into faith.

00:34:42.440 And that's something that if you had asked me that two years ago, I probably would have said no.

00:34:45.460 Oh, no, I've seen that.

00:34:46.740 I think I had a greater appreciation of that long before I had any clearer view of religion

00:34:54.040 or a return to clear view of religion in that if you can convince someone that sin exists,

00:34:59.740 you can convince them that evil exists.

00:35:01.760 And if you convince them that evil exists, you can convince them that it has a personality,

00:35:06.360 that it has a kind of force to it.

00:35:08.060 And if you can convince them that evil has a personality,

00:35:10.640 You've convinced them the devil exists.

00:35:12.560 But what's crazy to come all the way back is if the devil exists, certainly God exists.

00:35:20.500 Say, oh, yikes.

00:35:21.640 I just, I guess I just sinned myself out of atheist materialism, which is not the right

00:35:25.740 I recommend.

00:35:26.340 I recommend going the other way.

00:35:27.420 Don't do that.

00:35:27.820 All right, next one.

00:35:28.380 C'è una luna, mezzo mare, mamma mia, me mare dare, figlia mia chiuda dare, mamma mia,

00:35:42.020 Okay, I love you.

00:36:12.000 Love that song.

00:36:12.820 So I was mostly focused on the song.

00:36:14.280 Made me like the video.

00:36:15.140 But I couldn't read on the screen.

00:36:16.780 The text was too small.

00:36:17.700 What is she doing?

00:36:18.500 I saw a job at the end. 0.91

00:36:19.520 I think she's basically pulling out all these different things that, you know,

00:36:23.080 looked like it was her communion, and then it was the evil eye, which, I mean,

00:36:26.460 the evil eye is more of an occultic thing than anything else.

00:36:28.760 Yeah, it's folk folklore occult.

00:36:30.540 It's not protecting you.

00:36:31.520 Don't play with it.

00:36:32.060 No.

00:36:33.200 You know, I don't know.

00:36:34.200 People are so strange.

00:36:35.460 I don't really know what she was doing.

00:36:36.660 I'm not really sure what her point was.

00:36:38.760 But almost equating all these things, maybe.

00:36:41.240 Like all these things are just silly, maybe.

00:36:43.320 I don't know.

00:36:44.080 Now, she didn't say that.

00:36:44.760 I want to put words in her mouth. 1.00

00:36:45.840 But, you know, the hijab, the evil eye, the communion photo, you know, all of that stuff. 0.99

00:36:50.900 Again, I would challenge people, and people will laugh at this oftentimes, where's the evidence? 0.98

00:36:55.700 Like which faith system?

00:36:57.560 And it's funny.

00:36:58.060 If you go on ChatGPT and you start playing around, you start asking questions about which faith system has the most evidence.

00:37:04.040 It is very interesting what you'll find because the reality is archaeology.

00:37:08.040 Again, we got a little Gerald when I brought this up last time,

00:37:10.160 but Israel and prophecy, right?

00:37:11.760 There's a lot in Scripture that is verifiable and true.

00:37:14.840 Yeah, right.

00:37:15.380 And as time goes on, there'll be more.

00:37:16.620 And, well, that actually does relate to what you're talking about,

00:37:20.100 which is the relative evidence for the religions.

00:37:22.320 Because on the one hand, you see this syncretic stuff, 0.96

00:37:24.840 the malocchio, the evil eye with Christianity. 0.98

00:37:27.300 And you always see degrees of syncretism crop up 0.90

00:37:30.520 because the devil works overtime.

00:37:32.180 So in Latin America, there's the Santeria,

00:37:34.860 which is the mixing of the occult with Christianity. 0.60

00:37:37.600 There's, I guess you get a little bit of that in the Mediterranean too.

00:37:40.760 Sometimes in more modern styles of religion,

00:37:43.920 you'll get a little New Age weird woo-woo stuff in addition to Christianity.

00:37:49.780 So that always creeps in. 0.99

00:37:51.520 But the one that really threw me for a loop there was she married a Muslim. 1.00

00:37:55.120 And she says that there's no, I mean, if she converts him, that's all good.

00:37:59.260 But you're saying there's no conflict between Islam and Christianity? 0.94

00:38:02.940 Well, there's a major conflict between Islam and Christianity. 0.91

00:38:05.180 The denial of Jesus as God, the denial of the crucifixion, the denial of all of that. 0.62

00:38:12.760 I mean, one thing that people don't know, and I think it's helpful to know, is that, yes, Islam looks at Jesus as the second most important prophet, but it's not the same Jesus, right? 0.57

00:38:21.440 This is not the Jesus that we have of Christianity.

00:38:23.600 So there's a lot of conflation, right?

00:38:25.240 We're worshiping the same God.

00:38:27.180 You know, my position on, you know, are Muslims and Christians worshiping the same God?

00:38:31.680 No, they're not, because now I understand the view of Allah and God as the Father being the same. 0.61

00:38:37.440 I understand the argument.

00:38:38.580 But the Christian belief is that you have Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

00:38:41.240 You have a trinity in one.

00:38:42.860 If you're not acknowledging that, then no, it is not the same God. 0.76

00:38:45.600 But then you'd say the Jews don't worship the same God. 0.98

00:38:47.940 Well, I think this is an interesting argument, right?

00:38:50.160 Because I think it is the same Father, God.

00:38:52.940 I think it's actually different.

00:38:54.040 It's different in that the Old Testament, both religious systems.

00:38:58.140 Yeah.

00:38:58.620 So, yes, in a sense, it's not the same in terms of Christianity looking at Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

00:39:04.020 But the Father God is the same. 0.75

00:39:05.660 The Father God in Islam is not the same because it's not the same holy book. 0.94

00:39:09.220 It's not the same tradition, right? 0.99

00:39:10.900 It's a completely...

00:39:11.740 They would say it's the same tradition. 0.56

00:39:12.560 Well, it's a rewritten version of the Bible, right? 0.97

00:39:15.740 Whereas Christians acknowledge the Old Testament, right? 0.96

00:39:19.020 So you're looking at the same scriptures, whereas I would say it's the same Father. 0.95

00:39:22.720 but they would but the jews wouldn't say that they wouldn't even refer to god as the father 0.64

00:39:27.820 because they deny the son right so from the jewish so from the jewish perspective no it's

00:39:32.260 not the same but i think what i would say the father from the christian perspective is the

00:39:35.480 same father it's the same but not the same for islam but not the same for islam totally different

00:39:39.920 holy book what but it's different book but you might be talking about the you could in principle

00:39:44.940 be talking about the same god couldn't you or no i would have to be the same book this i know this

00:39:50.380 is a big debate. I would say, I would say, no, I don't believe it's the same God. I know that

00:39:54.360 people would say, well, the three Abrahamic faiths, they're worshiping the same father.

00:39:57.700 I think the argument for Jews and Christians would be you're working from the same text,

00:40:02.200 right? At least in the old Testament. So Christians, obviously from the Jewish perspective,

00:40:06.780 but the Jews are working from other texts too, like the Talmud. That's true. Although it differs 0.59

00:40:11.580 and look, even in the Christian world, we can get complicated with this because there's certain

00:40:14.900 holy books that not like Catholics have some books that Protestants don't. So, but I think

00:40:19.020 it's much closer. I think the argument, there's a big difference between the way that Muslims are

00:40:23.580 looking at the father based on the Quran and the way that Jews and Christians are. What about the

00:40:28.780 God of Plato, the one? Is it the same God? Boy, no, it's not. It goes, to me, it goes back to the

00:40:37.460 text, right? So I would say the closest you're going to get between the two out of the three

00:40:42.660 would be Jews and Christians, Old Testament. Now you're dealing with totally different stories.

00:40:48.700 rewritten stories, I mean, in the Quran. But we're not talking about the books or the specific

00:40:53.500 stories. We're talking about God, the, you know, being himself, I am that I am. And so it seems

00:40:59.240 the way that I work out of this problem, which, you know, is very much the Catholic answer, but

00:41:04.940 it's that, no, these, when Plato is describing the one, he is describing, albeit through a veil

00:41:14.700 and somewhat vaguely. He is talking about God. And St. Augustine would see it that way. You see

00:41:21.620 the Neoplatonic tradition through all of Christianity. And so when the Jews are talking 1.00

00:41:28.020 about God, even though they deny the Son, they are talking about the same God. And even the 0.92

00:41:35.540 Muslims, you know, who have wrong conceptions of God, but they are talking about the same God. 0.99

00:41:39.800 So one of the problems with the Muslim conception is that, at least since the 9th century, 0.98

00:41:43.500 It's a voluntarist conception. Pope Benedict talks about this at Regensburg. He says that the Muslim conception of Allah is as one who is totally transcendent, pure will. 0.94

00:41:55.320 In other words, if Allah, and he's quoting this medieval Muslim historian, Ibn Hazm, if Allah willed his followers to worship idols, they would be bound to do so. 0.91

00:42:05.740 Whereas the Christian conception of God certainly does not permit of that, because the Christian

00:42:10.420 conception of God is a God that is identifiable with the Logos, the divine reason, which also

00:42:16.380 you see an early sense of in Plato and Aristotle, so that these are all the same God, albeit

00:42:24.100 with some misperceptions in Christianity, you have the fullness of truth. 0.93

00:42:28.440 But what it also means is we look at the Jews and we say, well, the Jews are missing out 0.90

00:42:32.580 because they deny the resurrection. 1.00

00:42:34.600 Right.

00:42:34.660 Right. But think about for the Muslims, the Muslims deny the crucifixion. The Muslims in 0.94

00:42:41.700 the Quran, they say they crucified him not. They think that it was either an illusion or he was

00:42:46.680 rescued from the cross, but they cannot bear that Jesus was crucified. And they deny that he's God

00:42:52.100 as well. They deny the incarnation. But then it reminds me of St. Paul. I think Philippians 318,

00:42:57.780 I might be getting the verse wrong because I'm Catholic. We don't, you know, we don't say it as

00:43:01.200 Well, but I think it's Philippians 3.18 where he says,

00:43:05.540 there are many walking now, and I tell you, even weeping,

00:43:07.540 who are enemies of the cross of Christ.

00:43:10.080 And I find that to be a really interesting phrase,

00:43:12.580 and it has all sorts of meaning and resonance. 0.93

00:43:15.120 But one of the little winks that I see from that is in this rise of Islam, 0.57

00:43:19.700 which is a religion that very explicitly denies the crucifixion, 0.98

00:43:22.600 the cross on which Christ conquered death.

00:43:25.560 I think this is a really interesting conversation because, you know,

00:43:30.300 we're actually talking about two different things, I think. You're talking about the concept of God,

00:43:34.580 which I actually think of the Father, let's say, right? Which I think, as we're talking about it,

00:43:39.620 I'm thinking about, in practice, the nature of how God would play his nature out in human affairs.

00:43:46.420 And I think when I'm talking about the Jews in the Old Testament and the Christians,

00:43:50.800 they would have a more similar ideology of how God the Father in the Old Testament would apply

00:43:57.040 himself to specific circumstances. I think juxtaposing that to the Quran, there'd be some

00:44:02.520 differences of how the father may. Well, I don't know. I mean, the Jews deny, modern rabbinical

00:44:07.580 Jews consider it blasphemy that one could even think of the incarnation, that God himself is

00:44:13.320 incarnate as a man. And the Muslims think substantially the same thing. Really, same goes 0.99

00:44:21.040 for the crucifixion, the notion that God could die, which of course, Christians, we say, well,

00:44:24.860 Christ dies in his human nature, obviously not in his divine nature.

00:44:27.900 Well, they're both denying Jesus.

00:44:30.320 Yes. 0.92

00:44:30.860 I guess what I'm saying is the Jewish and Muslim view of God the Father, it's different,

00:44:37.360 of course.

00:44:38.880 Or I guess we should just say God, because God is one, three distinct persons in one

00:44:42.620 divine unity.

00:44:43.580 But I don't know that it's quite as different as we're claiming here.

00:44:48.180 And so then you get this tough problem, which is if you say that Muslims don't worship the

00:44:51.740 real God or they don't pray to the real God or they're not at least reaching out for the real

00:44:55.440 God, then it seems to me you basically have to say the same thing about the Jews, which people 0.67

00:44:59.840 don't want to do. Well, I would, I mean, would you do, would you say it? No, I think that, I think

00:45:05.140 that Muslims, when they're calling out to God, they are in fact speaking about God. They just 1.00

00:45:10.060 misunderstand God and they've missed the incarnation, which is a pity for them. And that's

00:45:14.080 why they should. Well, I would actually agree with you. I would actually agree with you. I actually

00:45:16.860 don't think we're as far off on that. I'm thinking in terms of, again, that the nature of God that

00:45:20.860 we would read, and we would say, okay, but you're correct that the Jews would reject that. I think 1.00

00:45:25.780 from the Christian perspective, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, I believe there's only one tradition that

00:45:29.480 has that right, and it's the Christian tradition, right? I think that if somebody held a gun to my

00:45:33.340 head and said, which one has a better, if I had to pick between Jews and Muslims and the Father God,

00:45:38.980 one part of our trinity, which one has a clearer concept of his nature, I would say I think the 0.67

00:45:45.140 Jews do. Yes, but then we'd fall into partialism, which that very funny Lutheran video on St. 0.87

00:45:49.340 Paddy's Day tells me it's a damnable heresy. 0.97

00:45:51.500 Now, I do, I often say...

00:45:53.100 Do you understand what I'm saying there?

00:45:54.160 Yes.

00:45:54.740 Okay.

00:45:55.300 Yeah, though the reason I think it's tricky

00:45:57.480 is because you can't really divide God.

00:46:00.260 I agree with you.

00:46:01.200 You can't fall into partialism.

00:46:03.140 And so, you know, when people are asking me

00:46:05.520 to make a decision between the Jews and the Muslims

00:46:07.520 on any matter of issues,

00:46:09.000 whether we're talking about geopolitics or anything else,

00:46:11.180 I say, look, 990 times out of 1,000,

00:46:14.560 I want to hang out with the pastrami people 1.00

00:46:16.240 over the shwarma people. 0.97

00:46:18.160 Not that I look shawarma every once in a while, it's okay.

00:46:20.420 But the reason I think it's crucial is not to sound like a woo-woo kind of like lib guy.

00:46:26.920 No, no, go for it.

00:46:28.000 Look, I believe in dogmatic religion with doctrines and sacraments and a hierarchy and a visible structure and a vicar of Christ on earth.

00:46:35.740 So I'm quite dogmatic in my religion.

00:46:38.840 However, God is God, you know, and God is not constrained by the feebleness of our own rational conceptions.

00:46:46.600 And so if there's a Muslim guy hanging out, or a Jewish guy hanging out, or a Greco-pagan guy hanging out before the incarnation, and they speak of God as Plato did, I think that God could be reaching out to them.

00:47:08.600 And I think they could have a sense of who God is, even if they weren't totally properly catechized.

00:47:14.740 Well, I mean, the first step is reaching out to God to begin with, right?

00:47:17.460 So, yeah.

00:47:18.320 Okay.

00:47:19.140 All right.

00:47:20.040 I'll accept it. 1.00

00:47:20.800 But still, nice Catholic girls should not marry Muslim guys unless they convert. 1.00

00:47:24.380 Going back to that, no, 100%. 1.00

00:47:26.540 I mean, there's no world in which, I mean, you're unequally yoked.

00:47:29.200 There's no world in which this is something that would be a blessed or good decision to be doing willfully.

00:47:34.800 Now, you may end up in a marriage where you convert to Christianity and the other person, you know, that may happen.

00:47:40.180 That's a different story than entering into it. 0.77

00:47:41.720 You're asking for a lot of trouble and difficulty.

00:47:44.580 And I think to then justify it, I know that sounds harsh, is an inappropriate way to tackle it. 1.00

00:47:49.880 Yeah, yeah, especially with the, because the Muslim conception of religion is a little, even culturally, it's not really all that compatible. 0.95

00:48:02.440 And it's just basically, not to be politically incorrect, but, you know, let's get the conversion first. 0.91

00:48:08.300 Then you can go about your wedding.

00:48:09.840 Okay, next one.

00:48:10.500 why chose islam over christianity well the fact of the matter is the level of commitment and

00:48:15.780 submission to your creator it just hit different praying five times a day is one not practicing

00:48:22.100 any of these paganistic holidays is too like christmas and halloween and all this staying

00:48:28.820 away from intoxicants like drinking this that literally following the ways of all the previous

00:48:35.540 prophets. A lot of Christians today, with all due respect, y'all slacking on y'all commitment to the

00:48:42.540 laws and the commandments of God. In the Islamic religion, that is not tolerable. 1.00

00:48:49.620 Okay, this is interesting to me because it's very, very heavy-handed on the mandates that 0.98

00:48:55.400 a religion carries, right? If you don't want to drink, don't drink, right? I mean, Christianity,

00:48:59.880 I believe, doesn't have an issue with getting drunk, yes. If you feel like people need to

00:49:04.560 be more devout. They need to be more connected to their faith. Well, that's not a bad criticism.

00:49:08.180 I think a lot of Christians aren't actually living in the way they should, not because they should 0.99

00:49:11.560 be mandated to do it, which is more what he seems to be talking about. Like he wants the structure 0.93

00:49:16.140 of a religion saying, you need to do this, this, this, and that. And if you don't do that, then

00:49:19.820 you're not doing the right thing. Whereas I want more of a relationship, right, with God that

00:49:24.140 implores me to do those things. And love motivating you. Yes. And love rather than, you know, servile

00:49:28.580 fear. Yeah, this was always the knock on Islam, is that Islam is just so carnal. It's just 1.00

00:49:36.540 so carnal. Even the, you know, the Christian conception of heaven, traditional conception

00:49:41.360 is that, you know, you're before the beatific vision. So it's really ineffable. St. Thomas

00:49:47.240 says when he has a vision of God, he says, you know, everything I've written is such

00:49:50.920 straw. This is the common doctor of the church. It's one of the greatest theologians ever

00:49:54.060 to live or St. Paul describing being lifted up to the seventh heaven or, you know, and whereas 1.00

00:49:59.060 with the Muslims, the, the idea is you, if you go to heaven and you just get to sleep with a bunch 1.00

00:50:05.020 of virgins, you know, it's so carnal. And it's funny because there's a kind of a parallel with 0.98

00:50:11.000 the Jews in that the, the Jews have this very literal exegesis, which is intentional, you know,

00:50:17.340 like God literally chooses Israel as this, as this figure, you know, of all the nations in whom,

00:50:23.660 there's neither Jew nor Greek nor slave nor bond or male nor female. But it's like God works

00:50:28.480 through particular people. I mean, like the son of God is incarnate. His name is Jesus. He has a

00:50:34.180 mother and a stepfather. And it's like a time and a place in history and he has friends and

00:50:38.600 disciples and all. So there's this particular, but in Christianity, the particular figures,

00:50:45.460 the universal and the, you know, there's, there's moral exegesis, anagogical exegesis,

00:50:50.700 you know, it kind of opens up vertically. And so I think probably the Islamic exegesis is much 0.96

00:50:58.780 more to be blamed than the Jewish exegesis, because the Jewish exegesis really is coming

00:51:03.560 from the literal, which is how God expresses himself in history. Whereas Islam comes later,

00:51:08.220 Islam comes seven centuries later and says, actually, all that spiritual reading, forget 0.95

00:51:12.620 about that. We're going to go back and you're going to get virgins in heaven. 0.96

00:51:16.300 So, and I mean, listening to him, I resonate with that critique because I have fallen into

00:51:21.660 that.

00:51:21.940 You know, in the last few years, I've gotten much deeper into my faith and, you know, I'm

00:51:24.960 an evangelical, I guess, you know, who even knows what that term means anymore, but, you

00:51:28.240 know, I'm a non-denominational Christian.

00:51:30.300 And, you know, I'm not about, look, I have no problem with tradition and following steps,

00:51:34.320 but that is not the thing that's going to motivate me.

00:51:36.220 It's going to be the relationship, as you were saying, through love.

00:51:38.380 So he was listing these things off and I thought, do you really need to be that, you need to

00:51:42.880 be that sort of prompted into your faith?

00:51:45.020 That's what attracts you into it.

00:51:46.000 That's just so foreign to me.

00:51:47.340 Again, I don't mind those things

00:51:48.500 as an expression of your faith,

00:51:50.300 but where's the rooting of it?

00:51:52.180 But I will say again, 1.00

00:51:53.780 critiquing that maybe more Christians 0.98

00:51:55.380 need to take it seriously

00:51:56.420 and follow the prophets of their faith

00:51:59.220 and look to that.

00:51:59.740 Yeah, I think we all can do a better job at that.

00:52:01.300 Yeah, I do.

00:52:01.740 It seems like he's being motivated

00:52:03.360 by what's the most based,

00:52:05.240 which is not,

00:52:06.540 I guess it's not the worst motivation in the world,

00:52:08.440 but it's certainly not sufficient,

00:52:10.260 you know, religious thinking because...

00:52:14.060 Or sustainable.

00:52:15.220 Right.

00:52:16.000 A real relationship with God and with Christ is what is sustainable.

00:52:19.500 It is what the ebbs and the flows of life, right?

00:52:22.300 When you have children, when you have family, when you have crisis, when you have ups and

00:52:25.860 downs, that relationship is going to be what carries you through.

00:52:29.140 That is what sustains you, not I followed these 20 steps and they got me there.

00:52:33.720 Those things might hold you for a little while, but not permanently.

00:52:35.700 A priest once explained this to me in a homily where he said, you know, we have this view

00:52:40.840 that sinning is just breaking the rules.

00:52:46.420 And he was kind of arguing against kids

00:52:48.700 going to their first confession when they're seven.

00:52:50.460 He said, a seven-year-old doesn't have any sense

00:52:51.900 of personal sin.

00:52:53.000 They should start going to confession

00:52:54.040 probably around puberty

00:52:54.780 when they start really thinking of these things.

00:52:56.800 He said, you know, we have this idea

00:52:58.000 that then gets ingrained and, you know,

00:53:00.700 it messes us up that sinning is when you break a rule.

00:53:03.360 Sinning is not breaking a rule.

00:53:05.500 Sinning is a violation of a relationship of grace.

00:53:08.040 and there are rules, like there are guardrails, but it's not, now my own words, I don't think

00:53:16.240 people go to hell on technicalities. You know, I don't, like, I don't think you fool God ever.

00:53:22.200 And so when this guy says, look, now my religion is super based. I don't drink booze for whatever

00:53:27.720 it is. Let's not forget Christ's first miracle is true. Right. Yes. And it was not grape juice.

00:53:31.280 And it was, yes. Yeah. Yeah. But, but, and it was for people who'd been drinking for a while.

00:53:34.340 Right. And they actually appreciated it because it was the better wine. So, I mean, I don't like

00:53:38.020 Like this whole story that we've recreated to pretend you can never drink is wild to me.

00:53:42.300 But anyway.

00:53:42.660 But he says that's like really based.

00:53:44.200 And I pray five times a day.

00:53:45.440 And to your point, like nothing's stopping you from praying five times a day.

00:53:48.760 Pray without ceasing.

00:53:49.440 The Bible tells us that.

00:53:50.340 I mean, like, yeah, do that.

00:53:51.280 It doesn't say you have to do it five times a day facing any particular city.

00:53:53.960 It just says to do it.

00:53:55.100 Yeah.

00:53:55.400 And then the question of like true religion to me is, look, I like outward signs.

00:54:01.040 Obviously, we have bodies.

00:54:03.520 I like liturgy.

00:54:04.280 I like sacraments.

00:54:04.960 like but what are you doing when nobody's looking what are you doing in your car or what are you

00:54:12.960 doing when you're talking to your wife and you're kind of frustrated what are you doing you know it's

00:54:16.840 like to me that is going to tell you more about your religion probably than vestments yeah yeah

00:54:23.420 i mean look that when i started working on these projects these films i started doing prayer walks

00:54:28.420 for the first time because i i hate silence and i realize this about myself i fill silence with

00:54:33.660 music. I fill it with other things. We all do. And it's a huge struggle for me because I don't

00:54:38.720 like silence. And I thought, if I'm never in silence, am I ever hearing God? And so I started

00:54:42.800 every morning at 545 going out for like a 20 minute walk without anything and just praying.

00:54:48.160 And that's been something that I've continued and it has transformed everything for me. Not

00:54:52.280 because I'm doing that every morning at that time or because it's because it's a real time to connect

00:54:56.960 with God and it has nothing to do with any particular steps I'm taking. Or again, there's

00:55:01.740 nothing wrong with if you want to do sacraments do them but it's about that connection and i feel

00:55:05.800 like when i hear this i don't hear and i'm not saying he's not connected i don't know what is

00:55:10.000 in his heart i just don't hear that being the argument i hear the argument being i chose this

00:55:14.000 because it gives me a structure that will keep me and i keep hearing this from people and i keep

00:55:17.660 saying to myself that's not going to be what keeps you you got to have that deeper i mean there's the

00:55:21.740 it's there's this idea that lex arondi lex credendi the way that we worship certainly informs the way

00:55:27.220 that we believe certainly but then there's that third part which is lex vivendi which is like the

00:55:31.620 way you live your whole life and yeah with with him he says man it's awesome like i pray five

00:55:38.480 times a day and i wonder and to your point in this modern world if you're never silent how can

00:55:44.820 you possibly hear the voice of god you can't i mean it's so convicting and and when i realized

00:55:49.300 last september that i was never if you had asked me a year ago what does it mean to hear the voice

00:55:52.980 of god i would have had an answer that was totally different from what i have now what would you say

00:55:56.060 Now I would say, you know, look, I don't hear, I don't hear an audible voice of God. I know there

00:56:00.220 are people who claim they do, but I, when I pray, I feel him speak to me in my mind. Almost I get

00:56:05.180 responses that are very direct sometimes. And that's new for me. And I'm still trying to

00:56:09.060 understand it and I'm still navigating it. And there are days where I'm like, if I'm being very

00:56:12.460 candid, is that me or God? Cause I really want that thing that I'm praying for. And I'll go back

00:56:16.500 to God and be like, is that me or you, you know, like clarify that for me, show me that has given

00:56:21.120 me a clarity I've never, I've never really had before. And I've been a Christian for 42 years,

00:56:24.900 like my whole entire life. Right. But I'm like, well, have I been right? I know that's like,

00:56:28.740 I like, have I really been, or has it really been like the last five years? And maybe the reality

00:56:32.660 is it's been the last five years. And I was just on that path, but it has transformed everything

00:56:37.060 for me. Yeah. So, you know, sanctification is a, that's right. It's a journey. It's a process.

00:56:41.460 Yes. And I have a lot, in 10 years, hopefully, hopefully I've learned more. Imagine what you'll

00:56:44.840 say in 10 years. Have me back. We'll find out. Okay. We've run out of really stupid clips.

00:56:49.440 Now we get a good clip from your movie, investigating the supernatural angels and 0.99

00:56:54.160 And while we were driving along a highway,

00:56:57.160 we went from suburban area to a rural area.

00:57:01.160 And all of a sudden, we hear this guttural-sounding voice

00:57:06.160 come out of her in the back. 1.00

00:57:08.160 You stupid multi-priest. 1.00

00:57:11.160 You think the changing locations will help you? 1.00

00:57:13.160 She's mine! 0.76

00:57:14.160 Mine!

00:57:17.160 Your mumbo-jumbo prayers will fail.

00:57:20.160 Just like they always do.

00:57:23.160 that's pretty scary that's dr gallagher yeah that's after that's a reenactment of dr gallagher

00:57:30.140 with julia well i didn't i didn't think it was like i mean original footage well you never know

00:57:34.400 they could have had they could have had a camera in the car you don't know it's a modern era um

00:57:38.080 but yeah no that that was julia i mean this the things that he saw now again a secularist would 0.97

00:57:43.580 say well she's just you know mentally ill she's just crazy but when you juxtapose that against 0.71

00:57:48.500 the other stories when you triangulate it all rather you start to see a person who was clearly 0.95

00:57:52.420 struggling with something well beyond what mental health providers would have been able to help her

00:57:56.500 with right and so that's just one example of it one other story that i'll share and this one's a

00:58:01.480 little bit wild with dr gallagher he was on a call with the priest and they heard they heard a voice

00:58:06.780 come over this phone call now julia's a thousand miles away and they're on a phone call together

00:58:11.240 and they hear this voice telling them very similar to what you saw there leave her alone you know

00:58:15.880 telling them off you know cursing them out basically over the phone both of them heard it

00:58:19.940 verified it Gallagher was like it was bizarre but we heard the voice very clearly on the call

00:58:24.600 nobody else was on the call so you have again 10 different stories about julia like that and

00:58:29.100 unfortunately i won't spoil it but her story does not end the way you would have hoped it would

00:58:33.080 that means you gotta watch a movie you gotta watch a movie cbn.com forward slash supernatural forget

00:58:37.960 about the exorcist forget about the exorcism of emily rose you can get it at cbn.com forward slash

00:58:43.280 supernatural slash supernatural head on over there right now billy a an excellent pleasure i hope i

00:58:48.940 see you sooner than in the next 10 years.

00:58:51.320 Yeah, yeah, hopefully. Maybe next year

00:58:53.040 I'll have different thoughts.

00:58:54.700 That's right. Next time you're in town, I can't

00:58:57.020 wait for you to come back. Let's do it.

00:58:58.700 See you next time.

The Michael Knowles Show - May 23, 2026

Islam Is Superior & Supernatural Is Fake？ Catholic & Protestant Debunk ｜ Michael Knowles ft. Billy Hallowell

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