The Michael Knowles Show - Kandahar Giant, Government Coverup, & The Occult： Michael & The Rogue Archeologist ｜ Tim Alberino

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00:01:00.080 There was a team of soldiers who were deployed out there.

00:01:06.320 They thought that the villagers were aiding and abetting the Taliban.

00:01:09.980 But instead of encountering the Taliban, what they found was this enormous giant. 0.59

00:01:14.700 The giant killed the first team.

00:01:16.580 And so they deployed the second team to go and find the first team because they were missing.

00:01:19.900 They found the giant eating on some of the guys from the first team.

00:01:23.720 But they were able to take him down.

00:01:25.420 Now, this is where things get a little confusing.

00:01:27.680 This is where things get confusing.

00:01:28.760 This is where things get confusing because you'll recall that when the Podesta emails came out,

00:01:32.980 that there was a very curious email from Hillary Clinton inquiring about the body of Gilgamesh.

00:01:37.840 What is the interest of the government in covering this up?

00:01:41.680 There's a cult interest here.

00:01:43.420 And that shouldn't be taken lightly.

00:01:44.960 The practitioners of the cult are just as committed to what they do as you are to your Catholic faith.

00:01:50.120 Oh, you and I have talked about all kinds of stuff.

00:01:51.960 I've talked about aliens and UFOs.

00:01:53.460 Nothing we've discussed has made me nervous so far.

00:01:56.120 Why this?

00:02:07.840 Cave giants in Kandahar.

00:02:10.420 Face peelers in Peru.

00:02:12.200 If we're talking about these topics, there is only one man that I could possibly be speaking to that would be our only three-peat guest ever on Michael and Mr. Timothy Albarino.

00:02:25.040 Mr. Albarino, thank you for being here, sir.

00:02:27.680 Always a pleasure to be with you, Michael.

00:02:29.060 You've just set a record on Michael and we've never we've had one or two repeats.

00:02:34.900 We've never had a three-peat, but people stop me on the street.

00:02:38.400 They will say, Michael, the Albarino interview, the stories.

00:02:41.520 I say, I know some of them he'll have me going and I'm really into it.

00:02:45.180 And then he'll say something I think is completely crazy, but then he'll say something that seems kind of sane.

00:02:49.240 And you have some of the craziest stories I've ever heard in my life.

00:02:53.660 And somehow you have more of them than we've even covered on four hours of interviews, beginning with the place that we are right now.

00:03:02.260 Let me show you, you have the most phenomenal set.

00:03:04.780 You do.

00:03:05.320 Your team is amazing.

00:03:06.440 This is the, these are the coolest sets and I go on a lot of interviews and you guys do the best.

00:03:10.600 Thank you very much.

00:03:11.400 They take it very seriously.

00:03:12.420 Even my lighter, it's combat ready.

00:03:15.060 We are right now set in Kandahar.

00:03:18.160 So we've previously talked about Peru and America and all, but now we're flying over the ocean.

00:03:24.400 Kandahar, because there are giants living in caves in Kandahar.

00:03:29.980 Apparently, yes.

00:03:31.020 So this is kind of a, this is a story that's grown into quite the mythology online over the last decade.

00:03:39.740 And this story really begins with my colleague, Steve Quayle.

00:03:44.380 He's an author, researcher, Steve Quayle.

00:03:47.080 And I used to, Steve and I used to work together.

00:03:48.780 And Steve was contacted by, by the way, I should say Steve is a, he's, his primary interest in research is giants.

00:03:57.200 Okay.

00:03:57.420 Biblical giants.

00:03:58.300 Yeah.

00:03:58.440 And Steve was contacted by this, uh, this elderly woman who told Steve that his, she needs to talk to his son because his son, his, her son has an incredible story to tell.

00:04:10.320 Okay.

00:04:10.720 And her son didn't want to come forward.

00:04:12.640 He really didn't want to talk about this, but, um, his mom eventually convinced him to, to tell the story to Steve Quayle.

00:04:20.120 And, and, and it turns out that her son was, at the time we talked to him, was a, a C-130 pilot, active duty.

00:04:31.180 Okay.

00:04:31.380 And so after telling Steve this remarkable story, we decided to fly him into Bozeman, Montana, where we, where our studio was, and to interview him for our upcoming documentary film.

00:04:45.760 We were making a series of films called the True Legends documentary film series.

00:04:50.180 Yeah.

00:04:50.940 And primarily these films centered around the topic of giants.

00:04:55.180 So this individual whose name, I'm not, I'm not going to, he didn't want us to use his name.

00:05:00.860 In fact, we had to interview him in silhouette.

00:05:03.400 He didn't want his image to be out there either.

00:05:05.940 He was still active duty.

00:05:06.800 He was active duty.

00:05:08.340 And he came and he showed us his credentials.

00:05:10.620 We met him and we were very impressed by his candor and his credentials.

00:05:17.380 Clearly active duty, C-130 pilot, very experienced guy.

00:05:22.160 He'd flown many missions in Afghanistan and he related to us the following story.

00:05:29.120 Okay.

00:05:29.580 So back in 2005, the pilot, I'm going to just refer to him as the pilot.

00:05:36.060 He was running missions into Afghanistan for the air force and his job was picking up cargo.

00:05:42.260 What he described as high value assets or high value cargo.

00:05:47.840 Yeah.

00:05:48.200 Usually it was Taliban guys. 0.95

00:05:49.680 And this is in 2005.

00:05:51.200 So this is early on in the, in the conflict.

00:05:53.740 In the scope of 20 years.

00:05:55.200 In the scope of 20 years.

00:05:56.160 This is the beginning of the conflict really.

00:05:58.980 And so he would occasionally fly in routinely, fly into Bagram airfield, pick up Taliban guys.

00:06:07.560 So they called him in for a mission.

00:06:10.000 And like all his other missions, he flew in and it's kind of dangerous coming down into Bagram.

00:06:15.780 I won't go into all those details, but it's not an easy, those are not easy missions to fly.

00:06:18.980 He flies into Bagram airfield and he thinks this is just a routine mission.

00:06:23.560 He and his crew, at least his load master, I don't know if he had anyone else, but he definitely had a load master.

00:06:29.120 And he, he de-planes.

00:06:30.940 He was, but this time, unlike other times, he's met on the tarmac by some very interesting individuals.

00:06:37.080 He believed that they were army or air force intelligence.

00:06:40.660 Okay.

00:06:41.320 He was, he described them as the babysitters or referred to them as the babysitters.

00:06:45.720 Because as soon as he de-planed, they said, this never happened, highly classified, don't ever talk about this.

00:06:51.420 And he, he, you know, he'd been picking up high value targets, assets rather.

00:06:57.180 And this was the first time he was met on the tarmac.

00:06:59.600 So he knew, okay, whatever this is, this is top secret.

00:07:03.440 So they escort him over to the hangar, he and his load master.

00:07:08.660 And as they're approaching the hangar, they see a, they see a pallet.

00:07:14.300 And there's this air force pallet.

00:07:16.640 And then there's this tarp covering something on the pallet.

00:07:19.260 And there's a couple of soldiers standing around the pallet.

00:07:22.280 And he said, the first thing that he noticed was a very strong odor.

00:07:30.900 Okay.

00:07:31.500 He was met with this, this intense odor.

00:07:33.440 And it was a mix of like body odor and death.

00:07:36.880 Okay.

00:07:37.800 And it was really musky.

00:07:40.280 It was very, very strong.

00:07:41.880 So he got the sense that there's something dead under that tarp.

00:07:44.600 And as they approached the tarp, he saw that there was, there was, it looked like a guy was under the tarp.

00:07:55.460 And it, as it turned out, it was a guy.

00:07:57.980 It was a very large guy under this tarp.

00:08:02.660 And it, it, he was, he was so large.

00:08:05.860 He was in the fetal position that his feet and head were hanging off the pallet.

00:08:11.200 So his, his feet and his hands and his head were, were hanging out of the tarp, sort of hanging off the pallet, part of his head.

00:08:17.280 And these, you know, these pallets are nine feet long.

00:08:20.520 Yeah.

00:08:21.160 These cargo pallets.

00:08:22.380 And he's in the fetal position.

00:08:24.380 Okay.

00:08:24.840 So immediately the pilot is struck with the reality that this is a giant.

00:08:30.500 So he, he would have been 10, 11, 12 feet.

00:08:34.060 10 to 12 feet tall.

00:08:34.920 Okay.

00:08:35.620 Okay.

00:08:35.780 Probably more, more on the 12 foot tall side.

00:08:39.840 And, um.

00:08:41.200 When he walked up to this body, of course he was astounded.

00:08:44.080 He said the babysitters were there standing there, the intelligence guys.

00:08:47.060 And then there was a couple of what he thought were Marines sort of guarding this cargo.

00:08:50.800 Yeah.

00:08:51.720 And he just started, he engaged obviously in a conversation with him.

00:08:54.480 Like what, you know, what the heck is this thing?

00:08:56.940 Yeah.

00:08:57.100 And they told him that they, they didn't know exactly where it had come from.

00:09:03.520 Yeah.

00:09:03.720 But this is what they heard.

00:09:04.780 And this is what they related to him.

00:09:06.580 They said that this gigantic being had been killed in a cave out in the desert of Afghanistan,

00:09:14.600 out in the mountains.

00:09:15.660 And that there was a team of, of soldiers who were deployed out there, probably special ops

00:09:21.560 guys at this time, this early on, who were out there doing reconnaissance or something.

00:09:26.860 And they saw that they were near this village and they, they noticed that the villagers were

00:09:32.680 depositing food and other items at the mouth of this cave.

00:09:36.720 So they thought that the villagers were aiding and abetting the Taliban, high level Taliban

00:09:42.180 guys who were hiding in the caves.

00:09:44.220 So the team went into the cave, but instead of encountering the Taliban, what they found

00:09:48.880 was this enormous giant, hostile giant.

00:09:54.360 And allegedly the giant killed the first team, killed the entire team that went, that went

00:10:00.400 in the cave.

00:10:01.260 And so they deployed a second team to go and find the first team because they were missing.

00:10:04.920 And the second team of guys were able to, to track them and, and to this cave.

00:10:12.240 And when they entered the cave, this is what the guys told the pilot.

00:10:16.400 They found the giant eating on some of the guys from the first team.

00:10:22.020 And he was extremely large.

00:10:23.740 And, and when he saw them, he became extremely violent and attacked them, but they were, but

00:10:28.720 they were able to take him down.

00:10:30.780 And now this is where things get a little confusing because my colleagues.

00:10:34.720 This is where things get confusing.

00:10:35.760 This is where things get confusing because my colleague, L.A. Marsulli, who also researches

00:10:40.300 giants, he had a whistleblower come to him telling him a very similar story.

00:10:44.120 We're still not to this day sure if it's the same story, but in his story, one of the guys

00:10:49.160 from the second team got, got skewered with this, by the giant who was holding a very large

00:10:55.000 spear.

00:10:55.460 So we're not sure if this is the same story.

00:10:59.760 These might be two different stories, but returning to, to my story, uh, they killed

00:11:04.400 the giant and then they airlift him out of that area of Afghanistan and bring him to

00:11:09.700 Bagram airfield.

00:11:10.420 And then they call in the pilot to pick up the cargo.

00:11:12.860 So the, the giant was solid as a rock.

00:11:18.820 Uh, the pilot said that while he was standing there talking to these soldiers, he was hitting

00:11:24.000 the top of the tarp with his hand.

00:11:25.380 Of course he's in a state of like shock.

00:11:26.900 Trying to process this gigantic humanoid under this tarp.

00:11:32.300 And he said the guy was like a brick.

00:11:34.420 He was like pure muscle.

00:11:35.620 He said, he didn't know if it was rigor mortis that had set in after death, but he said it

00:11:39.040 was, the guy was, you could see his hands and his feet.

00:11:42.020 He was very muscular, very large and muscular.

00:11:46.400 And he said that the giant's feet were, which were wrapped in very crude footwear, like a canvas

00:11:54.600 type thing.

00:11:56.680 Um, the, the, the giant's feet and hands had six digits instead of five.

00:12:03.000 Okay.

00:12:03.260 So it's six fingers and six toes on each hand and foot.

00:12:06.980 The giant's skin was a pale white.

00:12:09.040 Again, he wasn't sure if it was because the giant had been dead for a couple of days or

00:12:12.800 if that was the natural tone of the skin.

00:12:14.940 But what really stood out to him was the red hair.

00:12:17.760 The giant had red or auburn hair.

00:12:21.240 And again, he was, there was a very, uh,

00:12:24.600 pungent odor coming off of this thing.

00:12:27.120 And so.

00:12:28.140 Was the giant clothed or do you know, did you hear?

00:12:31.480 He could only see his hands and feet and the top of his head.

00:12:34.400 So he saw the, like the forehead and the, and the hair and the hands and feet hanging out.

00:12:38.160 Remember, this is a nine foot pellet.

00:12:40.200 He's in the fetal position.

00:12:41.800 Um, they had to weigh this cargo, obviously before they put it on the, the, the C-130.

00:12:48.500 So the load master weighed it, it was 1500 pounds.

00:12:53.240 Now that's including the pallet, subtracting the pallet, this dude weighed 1100 pounds.

00:13:01.420 So we're talking about a 12 foot guy that weighs 1100 pounds.

00:13:06.960 Yeah.

00:13:07.440 That's, that's probably even a greater proportion of muscle than I have.

00:13:10.880 And I always pride myself.

00:13:12.920 So, so, you know, we're not talking about NBA player here.

00:13:16.580 We're talking about a giant in the truest sense.

00:13:20.120 This is a biblical giant, biblical proportions, if I can use that phrase.

00:13:24.400 So, uh, he loaded, they loaded the, the giant onto the C-130 and they took off from Bagram

00:13:32.160 airfield and they, and they deposited the giant at a base in Qatar.

00:13:36.740 Okay.

00:13:37.320 That's where the story ends for the pilot.

00:13:39.740 Now he heard through the grapevine that the giant ended up at Wright Patterson air force

00:13:46.920 base in Ohio.

00:13:48.840 Okay.

00:13:49.180 Now, every time I tell this story publicly and I, and yours is the largest show I've ever

00:13:56.340 told this story.

00:13:57.620 Every time I tell this story, I get a little nervous and, and, you know, you and I have

00:14:01.740 talked about all kinds of stuff and not, nothing we've discussed has made me nervous so far.

00:14:06.340 Why this?

00:14:07.360 This one makes me nervous because I have had this story confirmed by several sources.

00:14:16.880 When you say several, what do you mean?

00:14:18.400 I'm talking about guys that were in the military who were out there during this event.

00:14:24.480 Okay.

00:14:25.640 Um, one of these individuals, and I gotta be really careful here.

00:14:29.220 One of these individuals is a high level air force guy.

00:14:32.200 Okay.

00:14:33.100 Direct knowledge of the event and of other events involving giants in the plural, not just one.

00:14:40.100 And as you know, I talk about, uh, aliens, UFOs and all kinds of stuff.

00:14:47.580 We talked about alien abduction last time I was here and I've talked about this top of

00:14:51.780 aliens.

00:14:52.280 I've talked about aliens and UFOs with all kinds of people, military guys, high level

00:14:56.840 military guys, uh, intelligence community people, uh, congressmen, you know, everybody

00:15:03.240 sort of freely talks about UFOs now, not a big deal.

00:15:06.800 Um, the whistleblowers, uh, Lou Elizondo is a friend of mine.

00:15:10.700 And, and so I talk about this kind of stuff with all these guys, aliens, and there's no

00:15:16.260 problem.

00:15:16.800 They'll tell you things, amazing things that they don't say publicly about aliens casually.

00:15:21.660 I can confirm at least, uh, having spoken to a member of, at least one member of Congress

00:15:27.000 about the UFO stuff.

00:15:28.180 And he was as skeptical as I was about it, but then he became a true believer.

00:15:32.360 And I said, well, even you, I even, you even, truly, it's like-

00:15:34.880 Which congressman is that?

00:15:35.680 If you don't-

00:15:35.960 Yeah, I want, I want, so we'll be off camera.

00:15:38.020 Okay.

00:15:38.360 I'm friends with Eric Burleson.

00:15:41.340 I love Eric.

00:15:42.000 Yeah.

00:15:42.220 Eric's a great guy.

00:15:43.340 Very, very, very cool dude.

00:15:45.320 So, um, and he's very much into this topic with the, uh, UFOs and stuff.

00:15:50.180 Skeptical about it, but, but a very intelligent guy.

00:15:53.360 So, and the point is that these guys, all of these guys will freely talk about UFOs and

00:15:57.680 the congressmen are different because they're not necessarily in the know.

00:16:00.600 They're trying to find things out themselves.

00:16:02.380 But when I bring up giants to these guys, specifically the Kandahar giant, the reaction

00:16:09.900 is quite different.

00:16:11.360 These guys will clam up.

00:16:13.000 They'll immediately stop talking to me.

00:16:14.620 And some of them will tell me and have told friends of mine who I've told the Kandahar

00:16:20.560 story to, and then they'll go and ask their contacts in the military or in government.

00:16:24.920 And we've been told, be careful with this topic.

00:16:30.960 Be careful with this topic.

00:16:32.360 Now, what does that mean?

00:16:33.240 Because the way I would interpret that is if we grant the premise that if we grant the

00:16:39.920 premise that all these people are chatting about all these different things, but they

00:16:42.880 have these totally different reactions, my gut read on that would be, yeah, they all yuck

00:16:47.400 it up about the UFOs because that's fake, but the giants might be a little too real.

00:16:52.420 So they clam up about it.

00:16:53.660 There's, I would say that the topic of giants, especially in Afghanistan, is potentially more

00:17:02.340 highly classified than the topic of UFOs and aliens.

00:17:06.660 And that's been my experience.

00:17:08.880 Now, I don't know if that's true.

00:17:10.260 Now, hold on.

00:17:10.880 Literally, but.

00:17:11.680 I want to drill down on, so you've spoken to people in the military.

00:17:15.460 Yes.

00:17:15.740 In the intelligence community and in political office.

00:17:21.620 Yes.

00:17:21.980 And, and guys that were in the military that were just a special ops.

00:17:26.240 Yeah.

00:17:26.600 That were familiar with the story.

00:17:29.980 And, but still even being familiar, this would still be secondhand.

00:17:33.560 From those, from those guys.

00:17:34.840 If they didn't get any.

00:17:35.380 My other guy, firsthand.

00:17:36.960 So, um, I, I found out, and again, I'm going to be very careful here because.

00:17:45.740 I don't want to get anybody in trouble.

00:17:47.180 But, um, when I found out that this guy was in Afghanistan, high level air force guy, I

00:17:53.640 asked him one time and we were in, in a, at a public event.

00:17:56.320 And I said, uh, Hey, you were in Afghanistan.

00:17:58.260 And, uh, and we were talking about deep underground military bases.

00:18:02.160 We were talking about UFOs, really no problem there.

00:18:06.020 Um, but when I asked him about a Kandahar giant, Hey, have you ever heard about the Kandahar

00:18:12.920 giant?

00:18:13.440 The blood rushed out of his face.

00:18:15.740 He was kind of walking away from me.

00:18:17.540 We had concluded our talk.

00:18:18.660 I said, Hey, Hey, let me ask you a question.

00:18:20.700 And when I asked him that the blood rushes out of his face, his eyes get really big.

00:18:25.160 He looked at me and he went like this.

00:18:28.720 And he pointed to his phone.

00:18:31.080 He went like that to me.

00:18:32.400 And his wife pulled on, she was standing next to me. 1.00

00:18:34.260 She tugged on my shirt and she whispered, he can't talk about that.

00:18:37.600 That's been my, that's been my experience when I bring up the Kandahar giant. 0.99

00:18:43.540 No.

00:18:43.860 Then the question becomes, let's say, let's say for the skeptics who are watching, you know,

00:18:49.180 you suspend disbelief for a second.

00:18:50.620 You say, this is real.

00:18:51.340 Why, why would the Kandahar giant be a more dangerous topic than little green men or something? 1.00

00:19:00.380 This is the question that puzzles me.

00:19:03.280 And I think, I think I have an answer.

00:19:07.900 I'm not sure if it's the right answer, but I'm, I'm, I'm persuaded that, that I'm approximating

00:19:14.420 the truth here or approaching the truth.

00:19:17.560 At least we talked about this a little bit last time I was on your show.

00:19:21.980 We talked about, I had done a lot of research into giants around the world, especially on

00:19:26.980 the Island of Sardinia.

00:19:28.160 Yes.

00:19:28.540 You were all that conversation.

00:19:29.640 Yes.

00:19:29.780 We talked about the, a particular phenomenon among the Canaanite tribes of the Levant and,

00:19:36.900 and, and, um, uh, of the ancient Near East in general.

00:19:40.480 And, but especially the Canaanites in the Levant, they had a cult of giant worship.

00:19:46.680 They venerated giants.

00:19:48.500 Of course, anybody who believes in the biblical narrative is, is, is not unfamiliar with giants.

00:19:54.280 We have Goliath of Gath and his siblings and, and all of the other, the Anakim who are descended 1.00

00:19:59.380 from the Nephilim and, and on all of the, the, the, the biblical material about giants.

00:20:04.260 And there's a lot.

00:20:05.800 Um, but the Canaanites, what, what, what people don't, what, what people don't realize is that

00:20:12.340 it wasn't just that giants existed, it's that they were worshiped.

00:20:16.320 They were venerated.

00:20:17.220 These were the offspring of the gods in the minds of the ancients.

00:20:20.340 And, and not just to the Canaanites.

00:20:23.980 I mean, of course we know Greek mythology, the offspring of the gods, some of them were

00:20:28.640 giants.

00:20:28.960 The Cyclopes were giants.

00:20:31.720 And you, this is a common thread.

00:20:33.280 I think we've talked about this before, but, uh, for those who watched our other conversation,

00:20:38.500 I'll remind the audience that in Sardinia, you can to this day find these megalithic tombs

00:20:44.920 called the tombs of the giants and the tombs of the giants, there's misconce, there's a misconception

00:20:52.380 about them in that archeologists, especially arm, armchair archeologists will claim that

00:20:58.660 the tombs aren't big enough to house the body of giants.

00:21:00.800 That claim is false.

00:21:01.980 I was there with the tape measure twice, three times.

00:21:05.440 And the, the tombs are large enough to house the bodies of giants unquestionably, but, but

00:21:11.020 they're missing the point.

00:21:11.780 That wasn't the purpose of the tomb.

00:21:13.000 The giants were buried beneath the tombs or relics or remains of the giants to some degree

00:21:21.540 were buried, to some extent, were buried beneath the tombs.

00:21:24.680 And the tombs are like a temple.

00:21:25.900 The tombs are a womb and they're in fact shaped like a womb.

00:21:31.860 So if you look at the tombs of the giants in Sardinia, there's two different kinds.

00:21:35.480 There's the, the, there's a tomb that has a stele with a false door in it.

00:21:40.980 So it's got like the stele stone, the stele stone with a false little door.

00:21:44.740 It looks like a little doggy door.

00:21:45.820 Yeah.

00:21:46.780 And again, this is by way of review.

00:21:48.600 I know we've taught.

00:21:49.760 Italians are very short. 1.00

00:21:51.100 So it might have.

00:21:51.580 No, these are very, these are doggy doors.

00:21:53.320 But I mean, you can, you can get into them if you're a, if you're an adolescent.

00:21:56.300 Yeah.

00:21:56.900 And then there's a larger door in the, in the, in the other style of the tomb.

00:22:01.720 And these have a trilithon door, megalithic trilithon door, still small.

00:22:05.240 I'd still have to, you know, crouch again in them.

00:22:07.000 Yeah.

00:22:07.880 But the tombs themselves were never meant to house the bodies of giants.

00:22:11.640 Instead, they were designed to accommodate what's called the right of incubation or a

00:22:16.720 right of incubation.

00:22:18.480 That's what it's called.

00:22:20.140 And we know that Sardinia was inhabited at one time by the Phoenicians.

00:22:25.580 In fact, to this day, Sardinians have Phoenician trademarks, genetic trademarks.

00:22:30.120 Yeah.

00:22:30.220 And that's where, that's why you get a lot of Italians that read here, by the way, from

00:22:34.580 Sardinia.

00:22:36.100 It's from the Phoenician bloodline.

00:22:38.900 And so there were, the Phoenicians are essentially Canaanites. 0.94

00:22:42.400 Right.

00:22:42.680 The, the Canaanites essentially became the Phoenicians, the Greeks called the Canaanites

00:22:47.860 Phoenicians.

00:22:48.480 Yeah.

00:22:49.560 And so the Phoenicians are descendants of the Canaanites and they're occupying the island 1.00

00:22:53.280 of Sardinia and they're practicing their ritualistic rites, including the right of incubation.

00:22:57.680 And the rite of incubation is a rite of passage where young people would have to go into the 0.87

00:23:02.320 tomb.

00:23:03.440 And so they would crawl in these little doggy doors, maybe one at a time, maybe several

00:23:07.860 at a time.

00:23:08.580 And inside of the tomb, which again is shaped like a womb.

00:23:14.480 And, and if you look online, type in a womb, you'll see what I mean.

00:23:18.040 It's shaped like a womb.

00:23:19.080 It's kind of, it's kind of looks like a bull's head.

00:23:21.380 I used to think it was a, originally I thought it was a bull's head.

00:23:24.380 Like, because.

00:23:25.120 Like a ball or something.

00:23:25.640 Like Molech or something, right.

00:23:27.300 So I, I originally thought that the tomb was shaped like a bull's head.

00:23:29.920 I was wrong.

00:23:31.400 And I have since learned that they're shaped like a womb.

00:23:34.460 And it makes sense because the, the idea is it's a rite of passage.

00:23:39.320 It's a rebirth.

00:23:40.800 Yeah.

00:23:41.120 So you're going into the womb and something's happening to you while you're in the womb.

00:23:45.780 Well, that tracks with basically all religion.

00:23:48.780 I mean, in, in the true religion, in Christianity, you have the rebirth and baptism, but even

00:23:53.040 in modern weirdo religions like, uh, transgenderism or liberalism, you know, you have the, the,

00:23:58.680 the rebirth through the, you know, the dead name and the, you know, coming out or whatever.

00:24:03.340 It's all, but it's all this imagery of, of a kind of a birth.

00:24:06.540 That's precisely right.

00:24:07.320 So, so they go into the tomb and then they're sealed in there for an unspecified period of

00:24:13.680 time.

00:24:13.860 And when you go into these tombs, you know, these galleries inside the tombs, there's

00:24:17.540 like a little alcove in there where maybe they put some candles and they sat there and

00:24:23.760 they, maybe they meditated.

00:24:25.280 But the whole point was, the purpose was to commune with the mighty ones who were buried

00:24:32.060 beneath.

00:24:32.820 That was the purpose to commune with the giants, the spirits of dead giants.

00:24:39.200 That was the purpose.

00:24:41.020 Again, this is Canaanitic, right.

00:24:43.540 And so there's something about this ancient cult of giants that the ancients believed that

00:24:52.680 you could maintain communication with the spirits of dead giants.

00:24:57.160 After they died, their spirits persisted in the world, as we talked about, I think our

00:25:03.100 first time, as vagabond wraiths.

00:25:05.280 This is apparent in the book of Enoch.

00:25:06.940 In fact, this is where the source material for this idea comes from, is the book of Enoch.

00:25:10.760 That as part of the judgment of the watchers who descended to the earth in the days of Jared

00:25:14.760 and engaged in miscegenation and had sexual intercourse with women and who gave birth to giants. 0.85

00:25:22.980 As part of the punishment for this grave sin, the giants, when they died, their spirits would 0.67

00:25:30.600 persist, were cursed to persist in the world as vagabond wraiths, bodiless, disembodied.

00:25:37.340 But yet they would have all the desires of the flesh.

00:25:39.600 They would be hungry.

00:25:40.160 They would be thirsty.

00:25:41.260 Assumedly, they would have the sexual impulses, but no flesh through which or with which to

00:25:46.020 satiate these desires.

00:25:48.240 And so that's the condition of demons.

00:25:50.380 And by the way, that's the origin of demons, biblically speaking.

00:25:53.400 And when I say biblically speaking, if you consult the second temple period material, the text,

00:25:59.880 second temple period text, you'll see clearly that this is what the second temple Jews believed,

00:26:05.980 that demons have a very specific origin and they're a very specific thing.

00:26:11.680 They're not just anything.

00:26:12.820 They are the disembodied spirits of dead giants, of dead Nephilim persisting in the world through 1.00

00:26:19.940 the flood, wandering as, as bodiless vagabond wraiths seeking to inhabit human flesh.

00:26:27.860 So different from the common understanding of demons is just fallen angels.

00:26:32.340 Yeah.

00:26:32.600 No, fallen angels would be the insubordinate sons of God.

00:26:35.560 Those are a different category.

00:26:37.600 The demons are their offspring.

00:26:39.920 So, so you have this situation in which, and not just the ancient Hebrews believe that,

00:26:46.320 that the spirits of the giants persisted.

00:26:49.140 No, the Canaanites believed it.

00:26:50.940 And a lot of the other religions, a lot of the other cultures, ancient Near Eastern cultures

00:26:54.260 believe that, had similar viewpoints.

00:26:56.120 So here's the idea.

00:26:56.920 The idea is that communication can be established and, and, and effectuated with the spirits of

00:27:06.100 dead giants, precisely because they persist in the earth.

00:27:10.220 Yeah.

00:27:10.420 And so the, the, the, the, the central idea of the rite of incubation is to commune with

00:27:19.960 the mighty ones, with the spirits of the mighty ones.

00:27:22.380 Maybe they're attached somehow to their bodies, to their remains.

00:27:25.240 Yeah.

00:27:25.540 And perhaps even to become demonized with them, uh, supernaturally enhance, let's say, which

00:27:35.460 could be very beneficial if you're an ancient warlike culture and you want to, you want

00:27:41.960 to feel berserkers, demonized berserkers, right?

00:27:44.280 That could be very, very effective, uh, uh, tactic.

00:27:49.540 Tactic, right, exactly, thank you.

00:27:51.180 So, so I think that to this day, I think that practitioners of, of the occult, high level

00:28:00.400 practitioners of the occult, are doing the very same thing.

00:28:04.800 They're utilizing the remains of dead giants to contact the demonic spirits of those giants,

00:28:11.360 perhaps harness them for some unknown purpose.

00:28:13.500 Now this sounds totally crazy.

00:28:16.040 Well, except, except for this, if you acknowledge that there is such a thing as spiritual, immaterial

00:28:21.720 reality, and if you acknowledge that there is such a phenomenon as the occult, which I

00:28:26.500 think most reasonable people have to do, I know most, uh, modern materialists would say

00:28:30.840 it's unreasonable, but most reasonable people throughout history would say, yeah, there is

00:28:33.940 a spiritual reality and there is obviously such a phenomenon as the occult.

00:28:37.380 Well, all the occult boils down to is trying to harness demons.

00:28:41.700 Yeah.

00:28:41.960 And accidentally getting harnessed by demons.

00:28:43.480 Primarily divination and necromancy.

00:28:45.240 Yeah.

00:28:45.860 Yeah.

00:28:46.240 Right.

00:28:46.520 Take a sip of, uh, water from our, from our canteens here.

00:28:50.380 In fact, I was just reading, I think it was in Thomas Aquinas, who, whom I consult about

00:28:55.240 almost everything, uh, on the, on the, uh, legitimacy or the propriety of, of divination.

00:29:02.320 And he gives the explanation of why divination is bad.

00:29:05.240 And he, uh, distinguishes divination from forms of just rational calculation.

00:29:11.460 We all do, you know, you look up at the weather and say, it's going to rain today.

00:29:14.240 And, uh, and he focuses on all these different types, specifically though, on necromancy.

00:29:20.600 Necromancy.

00:29:21.100 That's very odd that you're focusing.

00:29:22.300 Necromancy.

00:29:22.560 Yeah.

00:29:22.780 That's the word.

00:29:23.240 That's the key.

00:29:24.560 So if you're trying to summon spirits of the dead, that's called necromancy.

00:29:29.860 And there's only one, and there's particularly one kind of spirit that is readily accessible

00:29:35.580 to be summoned in the earth.

00:29:36.940 And that is the spirit of dead giants.

00:29:38.320 So are members of the occult today still practicing these necromantic rites, these Canaanitish necromantic 0.99

00:29:48.040 rites?

00:29:48.460 Okay.

00:29:48.900 But let, let's say that the reading, this, this is the way to read the Bible and we're

00:29:54.240 not going to have a more metaphorical, uh, or allegorical reading of the meaning of giants.

00:29:58.640 We're just going to say, no, they're literal giants and they died.

00:30:01.360 And these cultures, uh, venerated the bodies of giants and, uh, engaged in necromancy and divination 0.98

00:30:06.680 and blah, blah, blah, that still does not explain how the giants are still around today.

00:30:13.160 In other words, it could all, yeah, that all happened before the flood or whatever.

00:30:15.760 But what, what happens when a big hairy redhead walks out of a cave in Kandahar? 1.00

00:30:21.820 Therein lies the paradox.

00:30:24.340 Um, let me address that in a moment before I forget.

00:30:27.220 You'll recall that when the Podesta emails came out, that there was a very curious email

00:30:33.440 by, from Hillary Clinton inquiring about the body of Gilgamesh.

00:30:38.300 Well, I remember the emails, they're talking about spirit cooking with some wacko occult

00:30:42.240 lady and, but, but so she refers to. 0.96

00:30:45.660 There was interest in the body of Gilgamesh.

00:30:47.560 Huh.

00:30:47.760 I don't remember that.

00:30:48.480 I have a, uh, a colleague of mine, uh, uh, he died, um, some years ago, a couple of years

00:30:53.820 ago.

00:30:54.020 His name was Tom Horn.

00:30:55.140 Yeah.

00:30:55.320 Tom was an eminent researcher in this field.

00:30:57.200 And, uh, Steve, Tom, and myself, we, we worked on these films together.

00:31:02.680 Some of these Tom featured in some of our films.

00:31:04.480 We did, uh, conferences together.

00:31:07.260 And, uh, Tom was contacted by somebody who had something to do with the military operation

00:31:16.400 in Baghdad.

00:31:17.400 Um, and he was sent some, I kind of get chills when I talk about this.

00:31:22.080 Again, this is the thing that makes me the most nervous talking about this topic.

00:31:24.680 He was sent some video documentation, some footage of American troops going into the museum

00:31:35.340 in Baghdad and extracting from that museum, gigantic sarcophagi.

00:31:41.740 And he was, Tom was told that what they were extracting from the museum were the bodies

00:31:49.940 of ancient giants in the sarcophagi.

00:31:54.380 And he saw them extracting the sarcophagi and the military guys and loading them onto helicopters.

00:32:03.100 Footage, not, this isn't, he saw the footage.

00:32:05.940 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32:06.560 And, uh, he told me about it.

00:32:10.940 He told me and Steve about it.

00:32:12.340 And, um, he had talked about it publicly on occasion.

00:32:17.780 And shortly after downloading this footage onto his computer, he didn't know what to do with it.

00:32:25.360 He knew this was, he didn't know if it was real or not, if this was somebody just, you

00:32:29.260 know, hoaxing him.

00:32:31.480 He downloaded on his computer and I believe, and I don't know if I'm accurate on this, but

00:32:35.720 it was within a week, it was a short period after this, that his house burned to the ground.

00:32:44.460 And, and Tom told me the story.

00:32:46.760 He said he was in the kitchen with his wife, Nita.

00:32:49.540 And suddenly they're talking, suddenly they hear crackling in the walls, like firecracks

00:32:53.560 going off, firecrackers going off inside the walls.

00:32:56.160 And their house went up in flames instantly, just went up in flames.

00:33:01.160 And thankfully they were able to escape with their lives, but they lost everything.

00:33:05.760 Their house burned to the ground, including that computer with the footage on it.

00:33:10.340 So, uh, when I tell you that this topic makes me nervous, it's because I am encountering

00:33:16.980 everywhere I go all the time, this reality, this apparent reality that there is something

00:33:23.540 very nefarious going on as it pertains to giants.

00:33:26.140 I think it involves the occult, I think it involves high level occultists, and, and I

00:33:34.540 don't want to name names, but, um.

00:33:37.000 But if you would.

00:33:38.240 Well, I already named one.

00:33:40.980 Yeah.

00:33:41.580 The destophiles.

00:33:42.820 So, but to your question.

00:33:45.500 So your point when you say high level occultists, you're not talking about, you know, like just

00:33:50.180 some weirdo, you know, self-appointed warlock living in Palookaville who's got too much time

00:33:55.380 on his hands, you're talking about, uh, people with real political power.

00:33:59.340 People who are, let's put it in these terms, potentially people who are at the level of

00:34:04.440 Hillary Clinton.

00:34:06.760 Let's just put it, just leave that there.

00:34:09.720 Um, so Podesta, those, those kind of occultists, cause he's clearly an occultist.

00:34:16.180 The emails were pretty weird.

00:34:17.560 Now, I don't know for sure if that's going on, but I suspect something like that is happening.

00:34:22.220 And there may be military operation to try and, you know, back engineer the DNA of these 0.79

00:34:27.860 things.

00:34:28.220 Who knows?

00:34:28.760 That's all wild speculation.

00:34:30.520 I have to say, I'm very, very much persuaded that the Kandahar giant story is true, that

00:34:37.120 it happened.

00:34:37.920 And there are other stories, at least another story that I know about this incident that's

00:34:44.560 even wilder.

00:34:46.180 All right.

00:34:46.480 Well, you can't.

00:34:47.320 I can't say, I can't.

00:34:48.060 I'm sorry.

00:34:48.280 No, you can't dangle that out there and say, I have to dangle it out there because it's

00:34:51.560 not just one giant, it's the giants of Kandahar.

00:34:55.500 But, uh, to your earlier question.

00:34:57.440 Hold on.

00:34:57.820 Wait, hold on.

00:34:58.600 I'm not going to get, you can't, you're going to tell me I have an even crazier story about

00:35:03.380 multiple Kandahar.

00:35:04.360 Well, I just, I said that to illustrate the point that it's not just one incident.

00:35:10.020 There are other incidents that have been, that have happened, perhaps other places in

00:35:17.660 the world, specifically in Afghanistan.

00:35:20.680 And so I'm, I will tell you very confidently, from my perspective, from my research, there

00:35:32.260 is a tribe of giants to this day still inhabiting the caves of Afghanistan.

00:35:40.280 Well, why don't we go get them?

00:35:42.520 Well, we're not in Afghan, well, we're not in Afghanistan.

00:35:45.260 We left, yeah.

00:35:45.940 We left all our stuff there, so, uh, so, uh, but you know, there's, I've talked to Afghanis

00:35:52.660 too, who I've had occasion to encounter, and some of them are familiar, very familiar with

00:35:59.060 the, with the cult of giants in Afghanistan and others are not.

00:36:02.600 But, you know, this is the backwaters of Afghanistan.

00:36:04.840 These people are living like it's, you know, the first century out there.

00:36:08.940 Yeah.

00:36:09.200 Yeah.

00:36:09.760 So, um, and some of the, this is some of the, one of the most remote places and,

00:36:15.660 and inhospitable places in the world, this area of Afghanistan. 0.83

00:36:19.560 So, it, it, it doesn't, it doesn't surprise me in the least.

00:36:22.760 And I think that there's probably living giants in other parts of the world as well.

00:36:26.960 Now, okay.

00:36:27.560 So this then raises a question.

00:36:29.680 One, if one reads the Bible as in a, in this regard, in a literal way and say, no, they're

00:36:34.520 really these giants.

00:36:35.340 And then they, uh, we, they went away.

00:36:38.220 Uh, that means, okay, well, some of them persisted if they're in the caves in the Kandahar.

00:36:42.400 And then it does raise these questions for me.

00:36:44.700 I mean, I wasn't joking when I, when I wondered earlier, was the, was the giant wearing clothing?

00:36:49.920 Because the, the question would be, if there really were such a creature, how much like

00:36:54.380 a human is he?

00:36:55.580 You know, part of being a human is we make clothing because we feel shame and we have

00:36:59.640 ingenuity and we, uh, you know, protect ourselves from the elements.

00:37:03.260 And so like, what, what does that even mean?

00:37:05.720 Is it just like a really big person?

00:37:07.380 They're primitive.

00:37:08.380 I know that they're primitive.

00:37:09.300 Okay.

00:37:09.740 And, and at least one other story I've heard, they were naked.

00:37:14.400 Now that doesn't mean they're naked all the time, but this guy had primitive wrappings

00:37:19.380 on his feet, which wouldn't surprise me even if he went naked or in some sort of a loincloth.

00:37:24.480 But these are very primitive giants.

00:37:27.580 And these guys, you know, they're not doing calculus down in the, they're, they're not

00:37:31.740 like a trading derivatives.

00:37:33.600 Okay.

00:37:33.980 Yeah.

00:37:34.540 They don't have X accounts.

00:37:35.700 Um, these guys are, are very primitive and, uh, very hostile.

00:37:42.640 And so, so you, you asked a really good question earlier.

00:37:45.240 How, how do you have giants persisting in the world today?

00:37:49.740 You know, biblically speaking, we assume that all the giants died in the flood, but yet we

00:37:53.820 know that they persisted in the post-flood world because Goliath of Gath. 0.89

00:37:59.200 Yeah.

00:37:59.860 But couldn't Goliath, my read on Goliath was always, he was, yes, he was a, he was a really

00:38:05.340 big guy, but he wasn't like 20 feet.

00:38:07.260 There's all kinds of speculation, different ideas of how tall Goliath was.

00:38:11.980 Some people say he was just six foot tall, six and a half foot tall.

00:38:14.440 Others say he was 10 foot tall.

00:38:15.740 All depends on the unit of measurement, which unit of measurement you're looking at.

00:38:18.960 And that's a whole scholarly debate about that.

00:38:21.540 Um, uh, it doesn't matter to me because I've talked to firsthand witnesses who've dug up

00:38:27.860 the bones of giants, giants, not mastodons, not giant sloths, not dinosaurs, skeletal remains

00:38:34.060 wearing necklaces and rings.

00:38:36.400 I've talked to multiple witnesses who've dug them up themselves in an official capacity,

00:38:42.640 which we talked about last time in Sardinia and in an unofficial capacity, just plowing in

00:38:47.040 their fields.

00:38:47.540 So, um, and I, I have no question that the giants, the red-haired giants, six-fingered,

00:38:53.760 six-toes giants were once roaming this land.

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00:40:08.180 Okay, so let's say they're real, they either died off, or they're walking around Kandahar

00:40:16.260 right now.

00:40:17.020 Let's say all that's true.

00:40:19.140 Why?

00:40:20.240 The fact that you say this is the thing that scares me the most to talk about.

00:40:24.120 What is the interest of the government in covering this up?

00:40:28.580 Meaning, if I were elected president, I think it would be pretty cool to say, hey guys, I

00:40:33.260 discover there's a tribe of giants.

00:40:35.900 The first part of the answer here is what I've already said, which I think there's an

00:40:39.420 occult interest here.

00:40:41.080 And that shouldn't be taken lightly.

00:40:42.840 The occult is real, as you know.

00:40:44.100 It's real.

00:40:45.200 And the practitioners of the occult are just as committed to what they do as you are to

00:40:50.360 your Catholic faith.

00:40:51.200 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:52.400 They're much more committed, actually, than probably many Christians are.

00:40:56.260 Unquestionably.

00:40:57.200 Unquestionably.

00:40:58.320 And they're practicing necromancy, among other things, divination and necromancy.

00:41:06.260 And so that's a big component of this, from my perspective.

00:41:10.180 It's really the only answer that makes sense to me.

00:41:12.800 Now, why would they, broadly speaking, why would institutions like the Smithsonian Institution

00:41:19.900 cover up the remains of giants?

00:41:21.500 Well, that's kind of a different question.

00:41:23.580 And the answer there is, you have to be specific to the region you're working in, I think.

00:41:30.700 Here in the United States, most people are familiar with what's been called Smithsonian

00:41:34.640 Gate.

00:41:35.920 Back in the mid-1800s to early 1900s, the Smithsonian Institution was engaging in a cover-up of out-of-place

00:41:45.320 artifacts, including the bones of giants, specifically as they were discovered in the mountains.

00:41:50.500 I don't think most people are familiar with that.

00:41:52.760 Okay.

00:41:53.120 Well, a lot of people are.

00:41:54.120 Though I've heard a little bit about this thing, but I don't, I'm not that familiar.

00:41:57.640 So this was, so here in America, there's a very bizarre phenomenon that was happening.

00:42:06.440 And it's referred to as the mound builders.

00:42:09.200 So there were thousands, tens of thousands of Indian burial mounds.

00:42:13.920 They're not all burial mounds.

00:42:15.240 A lot of them were effigy mounds and structural mounds, but a lot of them were burial mounds.

00:42:21.580 And the Smithsonian Institution engaged in a broad, a widespread excavation of these mounds

00:42:30.940 from the mid-1800s to the early 1900s, as I said.

00:42:36.820 And during that period of time, they were, according to their own records, their own annual

00:42:42.540 reports, discovering all manner of bizarre artifacts, including the bones of giants.

00:42:51.300 And why cover it up?

00:42:52.080 So you have to understand the, how would I describe this?

00:42:57.800 The historical, the archeological politics of the day.

00:43:05.700 I think we talked about this at one point.

00:43:09.440 There's a conflict in, I mean, it's not really a, it's not really a, mainstream archeology

00:43:15.300 maintains that civilizations across the world developed in isolation.

00:43:21.240 Yeah.

00:43:22.000 That ancient peoples were not crossing the oceans.

00:43:24.800 Yeah.

00:43:25.100 So that each civilization was influenced by other civilizations on their continent that

00:43:29.880 they had contact with, but they weren't crossing the oceans.

00:43:32.220 Yeah.

00:43:32.820 That's called isolationism.

00:43:34.500 That's the, the, the doctrine of isolationism.

00:43:38.720 And it's an anthropological doctrine.

00:43:42.040 Yeah.

00:43:43.440 And the countervailing view is one of diffusionism.

00:43:48.080 That's not really accepted in academia.

00:43:51.900 Diffusionism is the opposite of that idea that yes, the ancient peoples were crossing the

00:43:57.660 ocean, specifically, I would say the Phoenicians, but also some people speculate that the ancient

00:44:03.180 Egyptians and perhaps some other, maybe the Romans to some extent were crossing the oceans.

00:44:08.160 That means Mediterranean, you know, across the Atlantic ocean into the United States.

00:44:13.740 And there is very good evidence that the Phoenicians were mining copper in the Great Lakes, especially

00:44:24.260 Michigan.

00:44:25.320 The Michigan copper mines, the copper that comes out of those mines has a, has a purity

00:44:29.760 trademark.

00:44:30.800 It's, it's, it's exceedingly pure.

00:44:33.080 Huh.

00:44:33.560 It's like a, it's like a, a, a fingerprint.

00:44:36.180 And that copper has been discovered in the Mediterranean, the ingots of that copper, what, what's a lot of

00:44:44.640 people believe is Michigan grade copper.

00:44:47.680 And there's even been some claims, I'm going to put it in those terms, that, that the petroglyphs

00:44:57.560 of Phoenician ships have been found on the banks of the Great Lakes, at least in one case

00:45:04.300 that I'm aware of, Phoenician ships were, you know, had that, that hallmark prowl that was

00:45:10.160 like, shaped like a serpent or something like that.

00:45:12.380 Very, the Phoenicians, by the way, were a secret society.

00:45:16.140 Hmm.

00:45:16.720 Very, very little is known of the Phoenicians, but they were major players in history.

00:45:20.120 Major.

00:45:20.760 Of course, they were major players in the history of the Israelites.

00:45:25.640 Yeah.

00:45:25.940 Who built the Temple of Solomon?

00:45:27.960 The Phoenicians.

00:45:29.560 Well, a lot of Christians don't realize that.

00:45:30.760 Not the Michiganers. 0.99

00:45:31.540 Not the Michiganers, no, the Phoenicians built the Temple of Solomon and, and King Hiram.

00:45:39.040 And then of course, Hiram Abiff, his, his artificer, uh, was instrumental in the building

00:45:44.880 of, of Solomon's Temple.

00:45:46.280 Isn't Hiram like a Freemason?

00:45:49.600 Well, the.

00:45:50.160 Well, I guess obviously it's all based on Solomon's Temple.

00:45:51.960 He's one of the patriarchs of Freemasonry.

00:45:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:45:53.240 Hiram Abiff.

00:45:53.980 And they have a whole mythology about Hiram Abiff, uh, which is very interesting.

00:45:58.900 But, um, so it was the Phoenicians.

00:46:01.940 Solomon consulted with the Phoenicians.

00:46:04.020 They provided the cedar, uh, and they, they provided the, uh, the, uh, the expertise.

00:46:12.920 They're artificers.

00:46:14.640 And, you know, they're workers of brass and bronze and so forth.

00:46:18.240 Um, they were the, the Phoenicians were the unrivaled masters of masonry and navigation 1.00

00:46:26.580 and, and, um, um, what, what would you call it?

00:46:30.100 Seafaring of the ancient world.

00:46:33.100 Unrivaled.

00:46:34.020 They were so ingenious in their, the designs of their boats.

00:46:37.580 They designed their boats in such a way that their boats could be, they could arrive, let's

00:46:42.360 say, to the shores of the United States.

00:46:45.080 They could disassemble their boats, carry them across the land, and then reassemble them

00:46:51.880 in the river to continue navigating the continent or the Great Lakes.

00:46:56.520 So, so, uh, the Phoenicians were, would have been able to, I believe they, of course, we

00:47:02.480 know they circumvented Africa, uh, circumnavigated rather.

00:47:06.360 They circumnavigated Africa.

00:47:08.300 And so they were widely accepted that the Phoenicians were the master mariners.

00:47:13.560 They were the, they were the great merchants of the ancient world, but they're very mysterious.

00:47:20.720 Very, very little is known of the Phoenicians.

00:47:22.780 I found very difficult to find this, but I found a, a, what would you call it?

00:47:29.260 A frieze, a, what do you call it?

00:47:31.900 A, like a painting on a wall, um, of a scene in which you have Phoenicians unloading their 1.00

00:47:41.840 cargo off of their ships.

00:47:44.600 And they're in Egypt.

00:47:46.440 You can tell that there's like an Egypt, there's like an administrator who's sort of registering

00:47:51.040 the cargo that's coming off the ship.

00:47:52.540 And then you have the, you have the Phoenician guys carrying the cargo off the ship. 1.00

00:47:57.060 And these are, you know, like normal guys, except for one was a giant.

00:48:01.540 There was a giant and he was carrying cargo off the ship.

00:48:04.320 So you got all these regular size Phoenicians and then you got a giant. 1.00

00:48:06.940 So, so they even had diversity and they're, they have a DEI department of the Phoenicians.

00:48:11.240 That's right.

00:48:11.920 So the, the, again, this is, they're the Canaanites.

00:48:15.520 This is, this is a Canaanitish culture. 0.94

00:48:19.580 And so they would have the cult of veneration of giants.

00:48:22.540 I can't remember how much of this we've talked about in a previous session.

00:48:24.740 Well, couldn't it be, you know, a picture like that, couldn't that be like in Western

00:48:28.600 Christian art, you would have a bunch of regular guys, you know, like patron Lorenzo

00:48:33.020 Lorenzopoli, uh, you know, uh, next to some other historical figure all held up by an archangel.

00:48:40.240 It's not that the archangel was, uh, a material person, but it could have, um, artistic symbolic.

00:48:46.520 It's possible.

00:48:47.360 It's possible.

00:48:48.040 Or the Phoenicians just hired a big giant to help them carry their load. 0.99

00:48:51.000 The, the, the historian Plutarch, he was in, I believe, and I, I hope I get the details

00:48:57.200 right here in his, in his work on Sertorius, the Roman general, the life and activities of

00:49:04.920 Sertorius.

00:49:05.680 He writes, and let's see if I can recall this.

00:49:08.940 He writes that there was a, there was a, a particular occasion in which Sertorius was

00:49:14.660 in North Africa.

00:49:16.700 And I believe he was around Tinges.

00:49:18.800 I can't remember the details, but he was in the gist of the story is this.

00:49:21.540 He was in North Africa and he and his legion came upon a massive grave that the, that was

00:49:29.280 being venerated by the Phoenicians.

00:49:30.960 Of course, the Phoenicians, by the way, were the Carthaginians.

00:49:34.700 They were the Carthaginians.

00:49:37.180 They, that was a faction of the Phoenicians and, or at least the Phoenicians were their

00:49:41.860 ancestors.

00:49:42.740 And so you have this massive grave being venerated by the Phoenicians and Sertorius inquires,

00:49:49.160 why are you venerating this grave?

00:49:50.360 And they said, because, and they name, I can't remember the name of the giant.

00:49:52.860 There was a fabled giant buried in the grave, entombed in the grave.

00:49:57.540 And Phoenicians and Sertorius, according to Plutarch was, he, he was, he disbelieved that

00:50:04.040 this fantastic story.

00:50:05.640 So he had his men open the grave, open the tomb and he went into the tomb and he was shocked

00:50:12.520 to find the body of a giant, very, very large giant.

00:50:16.900 And he had his men reseal the tomb and he also venerated the tomb.

00:50:21.420 That's, that's Plutarch.

00:50:22.600 Well, I mean, speaking of ancient sources, you, you even have as recently as, uh, in

00:50:28.180 the Christian tradition as St. Augustine saying that he stumbles on a giant's molar on the

00:50:33.840 beach.

00:50:34.220 That's exactly right.

00:50:35.020 Just the size of 50 human molars.

00:50:36.560 Yeah.

00:50:36.680 You have all kinds, there's so many testimonies.

00:50:38.760 Of course, people say, well, these guys are just finding the remains of fossils or fossils

00:50:42.060 of mammoths or whatever.

00:50:43.580 Yeah.

00:50:43.760 Yeah.

00:50:44.820 And no doubt they were in many cases, but going back to the Phoenicians in America. 0.99

00:50:51.560 Yeah.

00:50:52.500 So the Phoenicians, I believe very strongly that, that the Phoenicians were mining copper

00:50:58.400 in the great lakes.

00:50:59.480 They had the capability, I'm persuaded that they had the capability, capability to cross

00:51:04.260 the oceans and they were interacting with the peoples of the Americas.

00:51:08.440 Now, if that were the case, wouldn't there be more documentary evidence of it?

00:51:14.520 Meaning, not even not contemporary, but saying, you know, in antiquity, some history or story

00:51:21.620 or legend even of the Phoenicians going over and discovering, you know, Lake Erie or something

00:51:27.280 or one of the great lakes?

00:51:28.620 No, it contradicts the prevailing narrative.

00:51:31.120 Yeah.

00:51:31.440 Blows holes in it.

00:51:32.740 So it's, this is what we were talking about before.

00:51:34.860 So if the Phoenicians were here and there's other evidences that the Phoenicians were here,

00:51:40.380 by the way, and interacting with the native tribes, the indigenous peoples of America, this

00:51:48.140 would be the avenue through which the red haired giants arrived at our shores.

00:51:53.880 And, and, and this was the problem.

00:51:57.260 In fact, I know this was the problem for some of the academics working with the Smithsonian

00:52:03.040 institution, specifically Colonel Powell.

00:52:07.260 Colonel Powell was the first director of the department of ethnology at the Smithsonian.

00:52:16.520 And of course he, he was a famous explorer and archeologist and, and he was overseeing a lot

00:52:22.440 of these excavations.

00:52:25.140 And I can't remember, uh, I wish I could cite the document specifically.

00:52:30.360 It's in one of our, the, the films that, uh, Steve and I produced the, the true legend series.

00:52:35.640 We have all the documentation and in that film, we present a, a document that is a letter.

00:52:43.960 In fact, this is Tom Horne.

00:52:45.180 This comes from Tom Horne's research.

00:52:46.580 Tom is presenting this in the film in which Colonel Powell is writing,

00:52:52.440 writing to a colleague of his, and he literally says something along these lines.

00:52:56.760 So I should say paraphrasing, not literally, but he says something along these lines.

00:53:00.080 He says, we cannot yet talk about the giants until we can determine where they've come from.

00:53:09.500 And what he's expressing here is a, he's expressing a very particular view.

00:53:17.960 He was an, an adamant isolationist, ardent isolationist.

00:53:22.360 That was his thing.

00:53:23.660 The Smithsonian institution to this day, it's, they, they hold to the, they maintain the doctrine

00:53:28.100 of isolationism.

00:53:29.700 Most people do, right?

00:53:30.700 Most people do.

00:53:31.680 And, and Colonel Powell was, was one of its greatest proponents.

00:53:35.700 And the problem that he had was that from his perspective of isolationism, you should, you

00:53:43.640 should only expect to find indigenous native American artifacts in America.

00:53:48.720 That's it.

00:53:49.720 Right.

00:53:50.140 You should not expect to find red haired, six fingered giants with copper armor.

00:53:56.460 Yeah.

00:53:56.960 You should not expect to find any evidence of Phoenicians or ancient Egyptians for that matter,

00:54:02.160 but specifically Phoenicians.

00:54:04.480 And I believe he was finding those artifacts and it was dismantling his own worldview, his,

00:54:11.780 his own, um, doctrine of isolationism that he was a proponent of.

00:54:16.220 And so that's why in this letter to his colleague, he's saying, we can't talk about these things

00:54:20.900 until we've determined where they came from because clearly they came from somewhere.

00:54:27.740 So isolationism out, diffusionism in, this, it's a very, it's, it's just like anything

00:54:34.220 else that's politically charged.

00:54:36.180 Yeah.

00:54:36.700 Uh, a good example, a good, um, point of reference here is Trump's purging of the Smithsonian

00:54:43.560 institution.

00:54:44.440 Yeah.

00:54:44.900 Right.

00:54:45.640 Trump is, Trump has been kind of behind the scenes purging some of the overtly political

00:54:51.140 stuff.

00:54:51.660 Yeah.

00:54:51.780 This radical sort of anti-American ideological stuff.

00:54:54.900 He says, we're going to get that out and the people who defend the Smithsonian now,

00:54:58.480 they say, well, Trump is, uh, changing the narrative on history.

00:55:02.020 And I think Trump's answer is, yes, I am because you're, you had your own narrative that you,

00:55:06.720 that you changed and you changed it in a bad way and we're going to bring it back.

00:55:10.400 So we're restoring the narrative of history.

00:55:13.700 And, and, you know, this is true, not even just in the Smithsonian or history generally,

00:55:16.900 but you do see this in any field.

00:55:18.800 Like, uh, 15 years ago when there were scientists, some of whom were pretty prominent, questioning

00:55:24.080 the global warming alarmism stuff, the people who said the world was going to end in five

00:55:28.480 years, uh, they were pushed to the fringes.

00:55:30.860 They lost their funding.

00:55:32.040 They were, uh, marginalized at their universities, even at MIT, prominent universities.

00:55:36.600 Yep.

00:55:37.200 Uh, because, you know, any human endeavor is going to be political.

00:55:41.720 We're the political animal.

00:55:42.800 We're social creatures.

00:55:43.620 So, you know, that's not surprising at all.

00:55:45.580 That's, that's true in every field.

00:55:46.780 That's right.

00:55:48.700 Yeah.

00:55:48.900 And, and, and, and, and especially in human origins, because now you're getting into human

00:55:54.520 origins.

00:55:54.940 When you start finding, when you, when you start finding evidence of giants, you're, you're

00:56:01.200 encroaching on other topics, not just archeology.

00:56:03.940 Now you're, now you're encroaching on the, the conventional narrative of history, which

00:56:09.440 doesn't include giants.

00:56:10.560 But now if I were an enterprising explorer, which I am not, but if I were.

00:56:15.420 There's still time.

00:56:15.960 There's still, there's still time for me.

00:56:17.380 I might have to work out a little bit more.

00:56:18.840 I don't know.

00:56:19.160 I got to get better duds.

00:56:20.600 But if I were, I would love to catch a plane into Kandahar, pay off some tribal Taliban 1.00

00:56:29.200 lunatic. 0.89

00:56:30.280 I don't know.

00:56:30.700 Give him like a couple of wristwatches and a pair of Nikes, whatever it takes to buy them

00:56:34.580 off.

00:56:34.940 They already stole all our military equipment and go find the caves and go get a picture

00:56:38.520 of one of these guys.

00:56:39.660 Even if he might spear me through the guts.

00:56:41.620 Like I, to me, if this is real and there are credible stories about this, why aren't

00:56:47.740 one of the, isn't one of the explorers going out and trying to grab it?

00:56:50.280 Why am I not going out?

00:56:51.340 Why are, I wasn't going to make it personal.

00:56:53.080 Why aren't you going to Kandahar?

00:56:54.140 So there's several reasons why I'm not going to Kandahar.

00:56:56.660 Number one.

00:56:57.800 I mean, look, there are a hundred reasons not to go.

00:56:59.600 Yeah, exactly.

00:57:00.420 Number one, I'm not particularly fond about getting my head chopped off.

00:57:04.180 But aside from that, that is such hostile territory.

00:57:09.900 I mean, even to get into this region and to try and navigate your way through it as

00:57:14.320 an American, especially, it's not, I have a wife and kids. 0.99

00:57:17.780 You know, I'm not going to recklessly throw my life away for something, to try and find

00:57:21.440 the bones of giants.

00:57:22.300 Yeah, yeah.

00:57:22.780 And maybe there's other, and I hope that we've not inspired some young person to book

00:57:27.540 a ticket right now to Afghanistan.

00:57:29.740 I will say, buddies of mine who were military veterans who were very familiar with Afghanistan,

00:57:34.900 during that horrifically botched evacuation, some of them wanted to go in, even with private

00:57:40.640 organizations, and help some of their assets and people they'd worked with escape.

00:57:44.800 Yes.

00:57:45.100 And even to do that, and this...

00:57:46.820 Yeah, Chad Robichaud is one of those guys.

00:57:48.580 Okay, so there are a number of these guys.

00:57:52.020 Even to do that, they would have to fly into Turkmenistan and take this route and get in here.

00:57:57.140 I mean, even for people who were very familiar with the terrain, it was very, very difficult.

00:58:01.840 There's no direct flights to Bagram Airfield.

00:58:03.400 No, no, not anymore.

00:58:05.680 So, okay, so that's why you, but you see why, even when the U.S. had a presence there, like,

00:58:11.980 why are, this seems like a big story.

00:58:15.860 Okay, so here's what I'm going to predict, okay?

00:58:17.840 I think you're going to get contacted by some people in the military, some, or ex-military

00:58:25.140 guys, maybe some SEALs or Delta Force guys, who are going to confirm my story.

00:58:28.780 I just want...

00:58:29.540 Okay.

00:58:29.720 We'll see if that happens.

00:58:30.580 All right. 0.83

00:58:31.880 Of course, you might get contacted by some crazy people, too. 0.73

00:58:34.500 Well, I get that every day.

00:58:35.460 Yeah, especially after you have me on your show.

00:58:37.580 You probably get, your inbox probably gets flooded with some very strange things.

00:58:41.460 But, because there's quite a few people out there who know that what I'm saying is true.

00:58:47.280 But if I can return to the Smithsonian thing.

00:58:49.920 Yes.

00:58:51.460 Because I want to, I also want to get to, I have a question about Peru that I want to

00:58:54.700 get to, too.

00:58:55.260 So, while we're in the Americas, I want to get down to Peru as well, but on the Smithsonian.

00:59:00.460 So, to wrap that up, you know, it was well known that the bones of giants were being discovered

00:59:06.260 in the mounds of America.

00:59:07.100 That's not a conspiracy.

00:59:08.180 Of course, the periodicals of the time, which exaggerated routinely.

00:59:13.140 Yeah.

00:59:13.280 I mean, they're very fanciful.

00:59:15.300 They took a lot of liberty because there was a lot of competition back then, you know,

00:59:20.320 for the physical paper.

00:59:22.980 You know, believe it or not, even media outlets today sometimes sensationalize and exaggerate,

00:59:28.320 sometimes even podcasts.

00:59:29.840 That's true.

00:59:30.200 Though I would never.

00:59:30.960 I would never.

00:59:32.020 That's true.

00:59:32.680 But this, back then, it was, you know, common to publish these wild claims of all manner

00:59:43.020 of pterodactyls and all kinds of different mythical creatures being found.

00:59:49.320 And a lot of these periodicals were proven to be false later, but not all of them.

00:59:55.180 And there were many, many claims in the periodicals of the time.

00:59:58.680 And in fact, Abraham Lincoln, while waxing poetically about Niagara Falls, said that that species

01:00:09.240 of ancient giants whose bones fill the mounds of America have gazed on Niagara as ours do

01:00:17.440 now.

01:00:18.060 That species of extinct giants, he said.

01:00:21.040 And that's Abraham Lincoln.

01:00:23.400 And that's a matter of fact.

01:00:25.020 It was common knowledge.

01:00:26.260 And when Abraham Lincoln wrote those words and delivered that speech, the people, the

01:00:32.940 audience he was talking to were quite familiar with what he was referring to.

01:00:36.040 Totally unimpressed.

01:00:37.060 Just, yeah, of course.

01:00:37.620 Of course the giants filled them.

01:00:38.420 But the bones of giants filled the mounds of America.

01:00:41.600 And as I said before, there's evidence that the Smithsonian recorded.

01:00:46.000 I mean, they had in their own documentation recording, finding the bones of giants.

01:00:51.720 And I can recall a couple of these registers.

01:00:55.560 One, for example, they found the jawbone of a man so large that you could slip it over

01:01:00.700 your entire head.

01:01:02.200 There's the jawbone.

01:01:03.540 They found a battle axe that was so large that they said it could only have been wielded

01:01:07.460 by a giant.

01:01:08.500 They found skeletal remains of gigantic human beings or humanoids who are at least nine feet

01:01:14.720 tall.

01:01:15.080 And so this is a reality right here in our home soil.

01:01:21.800 And this is the final part of answering the question of why is this covered up?

01:01:29.080 And a lot of Christians believe, who are into this topic, believe that it's covered up because

01:01:32.880 it would confirm the biblical narrative.

01:01:35.820 And that there's this sort of this atheistic attempt.

01:01:40.820 There's an attempt by atheistic academia to sweep this under the rug because they don't

01:01:46.700 want to reveal anything that would be affirming of the biblical narrative.

01:01:50.060 I'm not persuaded by that argument because the existence of giants doesn't just confirm

01:01:55.440 the biblical narrative.

01:01:56.540 It confirms the collective testimony of our antecedents all around the world.

01:02:04.540 I mean, the Greeks and the Romans and the ancient Mesopotamians and people, the Polynesians

01:02:11.580 and the ancient, the Native Americans talked about the giants, six-fingered giants.

01:02:16.780 It confirms everybody's legends and mythologies of giants, everybody's.

01:02:21.620 So that isn't that persuasive of an argument to me.

01:02:26.120 But I will say this, it doesn't necessarily pose a problem for the theory of evolution either.

01:02:32.780 Not necessarily problematic to the theory of evolution.

01:02:36.180 Yeah, I don't think it's not like, you know, the theory of evolution, well, not that I'm

01:02:38.840 like the biggest theory of evolution guy or Darwinian or anything, but even if you hold

01:02:43.820 to some view of that, it's not like, you know, one day your grandpa's an orangutan and then

01:02:49.540 your dad's a chimp and then you're a human. 1.00

01:02:51.560 Like things kind of branch off. 0.98

01:02:53.040 Yeah.

01:02:53.340 You know, you could have a giant's just kind of chilling in a cave for a while.

01:02:56.100 Yeah, yeah, right.

01:02:57.120 So it doesn't really do violence to the theory of evolution.

01:03:02.240 So, but there is something, there is some aspect of the, you know how this is.

01:03:09.200 If I invoke the archaeological community, most, 99% of archaeologists are just out there trying

01:03:15.340 to get their grants funded, right?

01:03:17.960 And their projects funded.

01:03:19.420 And they're very myopic.

01:03:21.840 They're very much focused on one particular thing for most of their career or a couple

01:03:26.220 things, right?

01:03:26.980 That's true in academia generally.

01:03:28.360 It's all, it's hyper-specialization.

01:03:30.120 That's right.

01:03:30.580 Where you're the world's leading expert on like one type of brown arrowhead in Minnesota.

01:03:36.280 That's right.

01:03:36.700 Yes.

01:03:37.020 So their noses are in the dirt, you know, and I have a lot of respect for archaeologists.

01:03:40.740 I am not an archaeologist, but I have a lot of respect for archaeologists.

01:03:43.620 And most of these guys, like I said, are just out there doing their jobs.

01:03:48.560 And most of them are highly skeptical because they conform to the general views of popular

01:03:56.960 academia, of the prevailing views, right?

01:04:00.100 But I think there is an overarching conspiracy.

01:04:03.620 I do.

01:04:04.900 And this, you know, it's been referred to as big archaeology.

01:04:09.520 You have big pharma and big archaeology that there's, that there is at the very top, that

01:04:15.860 there is a concerted effort to hide certain things about the past.

01:04:20.040 I happen to believe that's true.

01:04:22.140 And because they know, in other words, people who know the truth, but just want to lie to

01:04:29.080 everybody or people who are too arrogant?

01:04:30.840 Because, because it would appear that certain elements of the, of mythology, I think they

01:04:41.180 call it the, the, the mytho-historical or something like that, narratives of the ancient

01:04:45.240 peoples happens to be true.

01:04:47.960 That's a different rendering of history.

01:04:49.880 Yeah.

01:04:50.700 The, the, you know, especially as it pertains to the cataclysm, to the flood of Noah and

01:04:55.480 the, and the events that occurred previous to the cataclysm, the events, in fact, that

01:05:00.300 catalyzed the cataclysm.

01:05:01.700 Right.

01:05:02.640 And, and that material, that knowledge is sequestered in the mystery schools.

01:05:09.000 Um, not in academia.

01:05:10.640 Academia, again, at the highest levels, somebody is hiding something.

01:05:17.480 I know that because of my, my investigations in Sardinia.

01:05:23.280 Yeah.

01:05:24.020 Um, which again, we talked about last time, but I'll remind the audience that in Sardinia,

01:05:29.500 I interviewed two gentlemen who were working at the site of San Anastasia, which we talked

01:05:34.360 about, um, where they unearthed multiple bodies of giants.

01:05:38.620 Yeah.

01:05:39.580 And, and, and they laid out the giants in the church or in, or in one case in the courtyard

01:05:45.120 or in the backyard or whatever it was.

01:05:47.560 Um, and then somebody would come and take the, take the remains away overnight.

01:05:51.680 And they didn't know, they, and they, they, they didn't know where they went, but one of

01:05:56.340 the individuals told me who was coming to take the remains.

01:05:59.680 And it was the, it was individuals who were, uh, working at the university of Cageti, the

01:06:05.340 capital city of, of, of Sardinia.

01:06:09.360 Yeah.

01:06:09.440 Uh, and so at least in that case, academia was involved at somebody in academia was involved.

01:06:19.100 Now, when I was in Peru, um, some years ago, there was an individual who, uh, my friend,

01:06:27.220 uh, Benny Humphries, who lives in Terrapoto, Peru, uh, an American guy from Akron, a good

01:06:32.760 friend of mine, he, he, he and I were inquiring about the bones of giants in Peru as part of

01:06:39.720 my film project.

01:06:41.080 And we made contact with an individual who was, he was, I believe he was a curator of

01:06:47.840 a museum.

01:06:48.700 And he told us in no uncertain terms that he had seen, personally seen the bodies of giants

01:06:54.860 in the, um, uh, is it called a depository or a repository of the, uh, of the, uh,

01:07:02.760 the, uh, museum in the back rooms of the museum.

01:07:06.140 Yeah, yeah.

01:07:06.920 And, and he was, he was, uh, emphatic.

01:07:11.080 He had seen these bones and no question that the museum has evidence of giants.

01:07:17.780 And we said, okay, come, come see us.

01:07:22.120 And cause we were in the city of Terrapoto in the jungle.

01:07:23.720 He was in the capital city of Lima.

01:07:25.000 We said, come, come meet us in Terrapoto.

01:07:26.840 We'll fly you in and let, we want the details.

01:07:29.340 And he was even telling us that he would take us to the museum.

01:07:33.600 So, so we, we flew him in to Terrapoto and we met him at the airport.

01:07:41.700 Very anxious to, we didn't really, he didn't really want to talk much more on the, over

01:07:46.220 the, over Skype and we didn't either.

01:07:48.480 So we wanted to have a face to face.

01:07:50.460 He gets into town.

01:07:52.120 We pick him up at the airport.

01:07:53.440 We go to a, a restaurant.

01:07:57.820 We sit down with this individual, Benny and I.

01:08:00.180 Yeah.

01:08:02.000 And I say to him, okay, tell us about these bodies of giants, these remains of giants

01:08:10.340 that you've seen in the museum.

01:08:12.240 And he looks at us and he goes, I don't know what you're talking about.

01:08:16.760 And me and Benny look at each other like, what?

01:08:20.820 We were just talking.

01:08:22.220 Yeah.

01:08:22.540 I don't, I don't know what you're talking about.

01:08:24.040 I said, you were just telling us on the phone the other day that you have seen the bodies

01:08:30.340 of giants personally in the back rooms of the museum and that you could show them to us.

01:08:34.540 And he said, I'm sorry, I don't know what you're talking about.

01:08:38.460 He said, if you want to go look for giants, I'll go with you.

01:08:41.040 Let's go.

01:08:41.780 But I don't know what you're talking about.

01:08:43.200 Museum.

01:08:43.500 And I think I realized what was going on.

01:08:49.920 I think I realized what was going on later.

01:08:51.920 It didn't occur to me at that moment or maybe it did.

01:08:54.240 And I just.

01:08:54.440 It was just a Spanish mistranslation.

01:08:56.560 No, no, no, no.

01:08:57.220 He wanted money.

01:08:59.400 So it's like, what giants?

01:09:02.080 Let's see some.

01:09:03.480 That's an even more ancient Latin American tradition.

01:09:05.880 Yes.

01:09:06.500 Precisely.

01:09:07.140 Let's see some cash on the table before we talk about these giants you speak of.

01:09:11.320 It's kind of that, that, that kind of thing.

01:09:13.540 But he, but it was at the time, I think we thought maybe somebody got to him.

01:09:17.540 Maybe somebody said, you're not.

01:09:18.760 But why would he get on the airplane?

01:09:20.120 Yeah, of course.

01:09:20.680 So I think today I'm, I'm pretty sure I, it kind of went over my head, I think at the

01:09:26.240 time.

01:09:26.320 It's so American to not get grabbed.

01:09:28.080 Right, exactly.

01:09:28.680 That well, yeah.

01:09:29.360 And I learned, I've since learned, believe.

01:09:31.060 Yeah, yeah.

01:09:32.000 But at the time it didn't, just didn't occur to me.

01:09:34.380 Like he, he wants to see some green on the table before he's going to spill the beans here.

01:09:38.920 Now hold on, but before I ask you more about Peru, there's something you said that perked

01:09:43.320 up a red flag for me or perked up my ears, which is something that's very interesting

01:09:47.040 about your description of all these things is usually when you hear all this wacky stuff,

01:09:51.960 it's anti-Christian.

01:09:53.320 But, but your, uh, telling in intentionally, uh, you know, does not try to contradict Christianity.

01:10:01.680 No.

01:10:02.200 And, but you just said something very interesting, which is you said, big academia is, big archeology

01:10:07.100 is covering this stuff up.

01:10:08.140 And so the real knowledge is sequestered in the mystery schools, which to me sounds like

01:10:12.700 the definition of Gnosticism.

01:10:15.380 Gnosticism, which is, uh, usually considered to be totally contrary to Christianity.

01:10:20.320 You know, all sorts of ancient Christian, uh, polemics against the Gnostics, Gnosticism setting 0.94

01:10:25.460 up a, a kind of a separate version of Christianity.

01:10:28.780 Is what you're describing Gnosticism?

01:10:30.200 No, not necessarily Gnosticism, much older than Gnosticism.

01:10:34.960 This goes back to the Elysian, uh, or the, or the Elysian, I don't know if I'm pronouncing

01:10:42.760 that right, mystery schools of the Greeks.

01:10:45.700 If you revealed any of those mysteries, you were, you were summarily executed, um, and,

01:10:50.700 and even further back.

01:10:52.540 And what is a mystery school?

01:10:54.340 So today there's a lot of, um, there's a lot of confusion surrounding the mystery schools.

01:11:03.040 Uh, you know, the, the, the most famous mystery schools that are invoked today are the Illuminati.

01:11:10.240 Yeah.

01:11:11.240 For example, the Rosicrucians.

01:11:12.240 Yeah.

01:11:13.240 Yeah.

01:11:14.240 The Freemasons.

01:11:15.240 Yeah.

01:11:16.240 These are mystery schools.

01:11:17.240 The Illuminati, I'm not sure if that's actually a mystery, if that even really like on paper

01:11:21.240 exists.

01:11:22.240 Yeah.

01:11:23.240 Obviously the Rosicrucians do. 1.00

01:11:24.240 Freemasons do. 0.60

01:11:25.240 Freemasons do. 0.60

01:11:26.240 They were both, both of those groups were, were instrumental by the way, in the founding of

01:11:30.240 America, in the colonization scheme, which was operated by, uh, Francis Bacon, who I believe

01:11:35.240 was a, he was certainly Rosicrucian.

01:11:37.240 Hmm.

01:11:38.240 Um, and probably the protege of John Dee, the, um, the, the, uh, sorcerer, I don't know what

01:11:46.240 else to call him.

01:11:47.240 I mean, he was like a magician, court magician.

01:11:49.240 What's the word for that?

01:11:50.240 Court something, sorcerer, whatever.

01:11:52.240 Let's just call him a court magician.

01:11:54.240 Yeah.

01:11:55.240 Um, and he was a Rosicrucian.

01:11:59.240 So, Rosicrucianism, Freemasonry, and some of these older orders preserve some ancient

01:12:08.240 traditions from the mystery schools, from the original mystery schools.

01:12:11.240 Yeah.

01:12:12.240 That's what I'm talking about.

01:12:13.240 Cause, you know, in the sense that one of the reasons that whether we're talking about

01:12:17.240 a kind of Gnostic, you know, Gnostic just means there's a secret knowledge that is passed

01:12:20.240 on, you know, and that's sort of the way to illumination, like the Illuminati.

01:12:24.240 And, uh, but one of the reasons why, for instance, the Catholic church says you can't be a Freemason.

01:12:30.240 If you join Freemasonry, you're automatically excommunicated, you can't do it, is because,

01:12:35.240 and this goes back to the ancient Christian polemics against the Gnostics, is that Christianity

01:12:40.240 is kind of like the opposite of a Gnostic history school in that it's all public.

01:12:44.240 You know, Christ was incarnate publicly.

01:12:46.240 It's all, we're not really hiding anything.

01:12:48.240 Uh, you can be baptized, our rights are public.

01:12:51.240 And whereas with the Gnostics, you have to be the 37th degree layer of the super duper special guy.

01:12:57.240 Yeah.

01:12:58.240 But this sounds like that.

01:12:59.240 It's precisely that.

01:13:00.240 And, but the question is, the confusion is over what kind of information the mystery schools are concealing.

01:13:07.240 And it's often thought that the information is just sort of like satanic, paganistic rites and this sort of thing.

01:13:19.240 And there's a, there's a stark difference, by the way, between Satanism and the doctrines of the mystery schools.

01:13:25.240 The doctrines of the mystery schools are Luciferian.

01:13:28.240 And Luciferianism is, is an inversion of the biblical narrative.

01:13:33.240 That, that God, that Yahweh is the enemy.

01:13:35.240 Yeah.

01:13:36.240 Yeah.

01:13:37.240 And that Lucifer is the light bringer, the light bearer.

01:13:39.240 He's the Promethean benefactor of mankind.

01:13:42.240 He enlightens us.

01:13:43.240 He, he gives us knowledge and he's the friend of mankind.

01:13:47.240 And so, mystery school adepts are theists.

01:13:51.240 They just believe the inverse of the Bible.

01:13:54.240 Yeah.

01:13:55.240 Literally, the inverse.

01:13:56.240 They believe that in the beginning, mankind was imprisoned by Yahweh.

01:14:00.240 So like we would view, we're both Christians, we would view the Garden of Eden as, as the paradise of God, where man communed with his maker.

01:14:10.240 Walked with him.

01:14:11.240 Walked with his maker.

01:14:12.240 And that Yahweh was very benevolent towards mankind.

01:14:16.240 Well, the Luciferian sees it as the prison of mankind.

01:14:19.240 Yeah.

01:14:20.240 That God had created this prison and he was withholding knowledge from us.

01:14:23.240 This is why, by the way, liberalism is Luciferian in that it views-

01:14:28.240 That's right.

01:14:29.240 You know, all the trappings of Christian society and, and God himself imposing this morality as, as inhibiting man's freedom and full agency. 0.91

01:14:36.240 And same thing, that it's a slavery.

01:14:38.240 You nailed it.

01:14:39.240 Liberalism, the, the, the, the fundamental tenets of liberalism are Luciferian.

01:14:45.240 Yeah.

01:14:46.240 That's right.

01:14:47.240 Yeah.

01:14:48.240 Because liberals are not upset about, about Hindu doctrines.

01:14:53.240 Yeah.

01:14:54.240 They're not, you know, they're not bothered by Taoism.

01:14:57.240 Shintos. 0.99

01:14:58.240 Shintos. 0.99

01:14:59.240 It's specifically, their acrimony is aimed at Christ.

01:15:03.240 Yes.

01:15:04.240 And his followers.

01:15:05.240 And indeed the, the radical romantic reading of Paradise Lost by John Milton.

01:15:09.240 Mm-hmm.

01:15:10.240 The radical romantic reading, when these are some of the OG liberals, was that Satan's the good guy.

01:15:14.240 That's right.

01:15:15.240 Right.

01:15:16.240 And you know, I'm not saying that's the, the correct reading of Milton, but that's, that's their reading at least.

01:15:19.240 That is precisely the ethos of the atheistic left.

01:15:24.240 Yeah.

01:15:25.240 So, so people think that the, the, the, the atheists, I shouldn't say atheists in general.

01:15:29.240 There's a lot of decent rational atheists who aren't, you know, radical leftists.

01:15:33.240 So I should say rather the left.

01:15:35.240 They're accidentally rational.

01:15:36.240 They're accidentally, yeah.

01:15:37.240 Right.

01:15:38.240 Exactly.

01:15:39.240 So, so the, the, the hardcore left is, is the, the, the tenets of that movement are precisely

01:15:48.240 Luciferian in that they oppose not just Western civilization.

01:15:54.240 No, no, no, no.

01:15:55.240 It's much more specific than that.

01:15:56.240 Yeah.

01:15:57.240 They oppose Christian society specifically.

01:16:01.240 Yeah.

01:16:02.240 Their, their guns are aimed at the doctrine of Christ more than anything else.

01:16:06.240 That's really what undergirds, um, that movement.

01:16:10.240 It is in every sense of the word, at least in my opinion, demonic.

01:16:14.240 Yes. 0.98

01:16:15.240 You know, I, I've long said that liberalism boils down to three words, which is screw you, 0.99

01:16:19.240 dad. 0.96

01:16:20.240 And it, that's true in a very practical way.

01:16:21.240 That's right.

01:16:22.240 A lot of them like hate their dads, but also it's true ultimately, you know, ultimately

01:16:25.240 to our ultimate father.

01:16:26.240 Yeah.

01:16:27.240 That's right.

01:16:28.240 Again, Luciferianism.

01:16:29.240 So I, I believe, and I think we've talked about this before, we're, we're, we're, we're

01:16:33.240 drifting far afield, but, but we, we, we mentioned before that I believe, and when I say

01:16:39.240 before, I mean, I think the first time we talked that the, the future that the prevailing philosophy

01:16:48.240 in the future is not atheism.

01:16:51.240 Yeah.

01:16:52.240 It's not going to be atheism.

01:16:53.240 It's going to be something that I call apotheotheism.

01:16:57.240 Yeah.

01:16:58.240 Yeah.

01:16:59.240 And apotheotheism is the amalgamation of, of, of two words, apotheosis and, and theism.

01:17:07.240 And, and of course we know that theism is the belief in the gods.

01:17:10.240 Yeah.

01:17:11.240 Apotheosis or is the belief that man can become a god.

01:17:16.240 Yeah.

01:17:17.240 Yeah.

01:17:18.240 The final culmination.

01:17:19.240 And so, and so the, um, the prevailing religious ideology of the future is going to be the declaration

01:17:28.240 that the gods exist and we shall become like them.

01:17:33.240 Yeah.

01:17:34.240 They're already saying, I mean, you know, Yuval Harari makes that argument explicitly and Homo 0.76

01:17:37.240 Deus.

01:17:38.240 That's right.

01:17:39.240 And all the really AI singularity type people are essentially making that argument.

01:17:43.240 And they, they, some of these people believe that the god that, that is coming is artificial

01:17:47.240 intelligence.

01:17:48.240 But I think it's more specific than that.

01:17:50.240 I think that, that the gods are going to make themselves apparent in the future.

01:17:56.240 And, and what's tying this back into Luciferianism, what was the, what was the serpent tempting

01:18:02.240 Eve with?

01:18:03.240 If you eat of the, if you eat of the tree, you shall not surely die.

01:18:08.240 Yeah.

01:18:09.240 Right.

01:18:10.240 You will become like the gods, plural.

01:18:12.240 You will become like the gods, the Elohim. 0.97

01:18:15.240 So it's, it's the same old lie.

01:18:19.240 And that's the, that's the, that is the beginning of Luciferianism is in the garden of Eden.

01:18:25.240 So, um.

01:18:26.240 What's amazing too, from the Christian perspective is you, you see this perfect symmetry, this,

01:18:32.240 this answer, this prefiguring where the serpent in the garden is accidentally right, which is,

01:18:37.240 uh, that if you eat of the tree of life, you know, you'll, uh, you'll become like the gods.

01:18:42.240 Um, because the fulfillment of the, of the tree of life is the cross on Calvary.

01:18:47.240 That's right.

01:18:48.240 And if you bind yourself to the Christ, the cross of Christ, and if you eat his flesh and drink 0.98

01:18:52.240 his blood and you, the fruit, which is the fruit of the tree, right?

01:18:55.240 He is the fruit of the tree.

01:18:56.240 He is the tree of life.

01:18:57.240 Yes.

01:18:58.240 Yeah.

01:18:59.240 You don't even see the image of, you know, the wood of the cross and him as bearing this fruit.

01:19:02.240 That's right.

01:19:03.240 Uh, you, you actually do, you, you, you are adopted as a son of God.

01:19:06.240 You become like him.

01:19:07.240 Yeah.

01:19:08.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:19:09.240 That's right.

01:19:10.240 It's precisely right.

01:19:11.240 Yeah.

01:19:12.240 So you can see the inversion.

01:19:13.240 Yeah.

01:19:14.240 And that's really the, that's the, the impetus behind so much of what we see in the world today

01:19:17.240 in, in modern left, leftism, but also going back to the mystery schools, specifically the

01:19:22.240 mystery schools, their, their fundamental tenant is Luciferianism, but what is the knowledge that they conceal?

01:19:28.240 That's the question.

01:19:29.240 Right.

01:19:30.240 This is, this is where people get confused.

01:19:32.240 The knowledge that the mystery schools conceal is knowledge that came from the gods in the

01:19:40.240 antediluvian world.

01:19:41.240 So it's the knowledge of the gods.

01:19:43.240 To put that in, in Christian terms, it would be the knowledge of the, of the quote unquote

01:19:47.240 fallen angels.

01:19:48.240 Yeah.

01:19:49.240 Which I'm not a big fan of that term, but I, I like to think of them as, as insubordinate sons

01:19:54.240 of God, or as the apostate sons of God, that that knowledge was imparted to mankind.

01:19:59.240 There was a specific, there was specific knowledge that was given to mankind illicitly to mankind

01:20:05.240 in the beginning.

01:20:06.240 And this idea that, that somebody descended and instructed mankind in the arts of civilization

01:20:14.240 and, and other things.

01:20:15.240 I mean, look, that's the story of Prometheus.

01:20:16.240 I was going to say that's, that story is ubiquitous across the world.

01:20:19.240 Yeah.

01:20:20.240 Every primary civilization, every primary ancient civilization has some form of that narrative.

01:20:24.240 Yep.

01:20:25.240 And I, and I mentioned the first time we talked that this is in, in ancient Egypt.

01:20:28.240 It's known as Zeptepe, the first time when the gods ascended and cohabited with mankind

01:20:33.240 and copulated with human women and progenerated a race of hybrid demigods who ruled the earth. 0.86

01:20:39.240 Yeah.

01:20:40.240 So that's, if that's, see, see, this is always considered to be mythological.

01:20:44.240 The mystery schools don't consider that to be mythological.

01:20:47.240 They consider that to be veritable history.

01:20:49.240 Literal.

01:20:50.240 And that knowledge is functional knowledge.

01:20:52.240 It's not just sort of Gnosticism or some sort of ethereal, spiritual knowledge.

01:20:58.240 It's functional knowledge, knowledge about the universe, knowledge about the cataclysm,

01:21:04.240 all kinds of things, functional knowledge among, of course, of course, always focused on their

01:21:11.240 particular theological position, which is Luciferians.

01:21:14.240 So that's...

01:21:16.240 How do we, how do we appropriate this divine knowledge for our aggrandizement?

01:21:19.240 Exactly right.

01:21:20.240 Yeah.

01:21:21.240 And this is going somewhere.

01:21:22.240 See, the, the, the, it's going somewhere.

01:21:24.240 There's a purpose behind the occult, behind the mystery schools.

01:21:27.240 Yeah.

01:21:28.240 And that...

01:21:29.240 You see, I mean, this point is very important because in the Christian view, we, we recognize

01:21:33.240 that God is real and like God actually has taken on flesh and dwelt among us and died for

01:21:39.240 our sins.

01:21:40.240 And so we, in like, in the words of St. Paul, cupio dissolvi, we wish to, we wish to dissolve.

01:21:45.240 We wish to, you know, empty ourselves so that we can be filled by Christ.

01:21:50.240 And in, in that way, you know, bind ourselves to God.

01:21:53.240 Whereas the, the Gnostic occult Luciferian view is, no, no, no, hold on.

01:21:57.240 I don't want to empty myself to become more like God.

01:22:00.240 I want to grab some of that God and use God for my own purposes.

01:22:04.240 It's not, in other words, it's not thy will be done.

01:22:07.240 It's my will be done and give me some, give me some of that power so I can do my will.

01:22:11.240 Yeah.

01:22:12.240 Totally the opposite.

01:22:13.240 That's a, that's a very good insight.

01:22:15.240 Um, in the book of Revelation, we have of course, the antichrist, the beast who arises

01:22:20.240 at the end of the age.

01:22:21.240 Yeah.

01:22:22.240 What does he do?

01:22:23.240 The beast leads mankind into the exaltation of his father, the dragon.

01:22:30.240 So remember that the, the dragon, that this, this dragon figure that arises in the, in the,

01:22:35.240 in the book of Revelation, it's very symbolic.

01:22:37.240 He's the seven heads, the red dragon.

01:22:39.240 And, and this dragon imbues the beast with his authority.

01:22:45.240 And in turn, the beast leads mankind into the worship of the dragon.

01:22:50.240 That's where this is going.

01:22:51.240 The worship of the dragon.

01:22:52.240 Who's the dragon?

01:22:53.240 Well, this is symbolic of this arch enemy that the Bible actually never names.

01:22:59.240 His name isn't Lucifer.

01:23:00.240 That's a misnomer from the Latin Vulgate, but we call him Lucifer because most people are,

01:23:04.240 are, but he's much more like a, a Voldemort.

01:23:07.240 He who should not be named.

01:23:08.240 Yeah.

01:23:09.240 That's really what he is in the Bible.

01:23:10.240 He's never really named precisely, but he is personified as the dragon.

01:23:15.240 Yeah.

01:23:16.240 And, and, and John even identifies who this dragon is.

01:23:19.240 He said, it's that serpent of old.

01:23:20.240 Yeah.

01:23:21.240 Who was, who was with Eve in, in Eden.

01:23:23.240 Right.

01:23:24.240 So it's that guy who the nations are going to extol at the end of the age.

01:23:31.240 That's the original Luciferian religion.

01:23:34.240 That's where all of this is going.

01:23:36.240 It's not atheism.

01:23:37.240 Yeah.

01:23:38.240 Yes.

01:23:39.240 It's the gods exist and we shall become like them.

01:23:42.240 It's apotheotheism, not atheism.

01:23:45.240 And there'll be a, it's, and it's not going to be a, some sort of just a, an inclination

01:23:55.240 toward a particular belief.

01:23:58.240 I think that it's going to be, it's going to be literal.

01:24:01.240 The gods will walk among us again.

01:24:04.240 And this is in fact, the pursuit of the mystery schools.

01:24:08.240 Their grand design is to reconnect humanity with the gods of old, who they believe are

01:24:14.240 coming back and to reconstitute, to resurrect what I call the empire of the gods that existed

01:24:21.240 in the antediluvian world.

01:24:22.240 And the antediluvian world.

01:24:23.240 That's the mission of the mystery schools.

01:24:24.240 Right.

01:24:25.240 That's what they exist to do.

01:24:26.240 And it's, it's a, again, there's a lot of confusion online and in regard to the occult

01:24:35.240 and mystery schools, but that's the end game.

01:24:37.240 The end game.

01:24:38.240 And of course in the Bible, the end game is Armageddon.

01:24:42.240 And Armageddon isn't just a war with Israel. 0.66

01:24:44.240 It's a war with Christ returning to the earth.

01:24:46.240 Yeah.

01:24:47.240 To take dominion on earth.

01:24:48.240 And it's, it's funny because of course, what are they after?

01:24:51.240 They're after eternal life.

01:24:52.240 You know, they're going to cure death.

01:24:53.240 They tell us what are they after?

01:24:54.240 They want to reconnect to the gods, these kind of lower cheap gods.

01:24:57.240 What are they going to do?

01:24:58.240 They're going to, you know, exalt themselves, you know, make themselves, glorify themselves.

01:25:05.240 But Christians were after all the same things in the right respect, in the right way. 0.98

01:25:11.240 We enter through the door.

01:25:12.240 Yeah.

01:25:13.240 It's like, hey guys, there's an easier way to do it.

01:25:16.240 Exactly right.

01:25:17.240 To actually do the real thing too.

01:25:18.240 We enter through the door.

01:25:19.240 Yeah.

01:25:20.240 So the door is Christ.

01:25:21.240 To go back into the father's house, you do it through Christ.

01:25:24.240 But what they're trying to do is they're trying to, to circumvent Christ.

01:25:27.240 They're trying to scale the walls of paradise and steal from the tree of life.

01:25:32.240 Good luck.

01:25:33.240 And that's their enterprise.

01:25:35.240 And they, they reject the door.

01:25:36.240 They don't enter by the door.

01:25:38.240 And at the, at the end of the age, I fully expect, which by the way, we've talked about

01:25:43.240 this before.

01:25:44.240 We're, we're, we're entering into a post human era.

01:25:47.240 Eventually there's a post human apocalypse brooding on the horizon, like a hurricane.

01:25:52.240 And we're, we are, we are speeding toward that inevitability.

01:25:56.240 And, and this whole thing is, is going to be oriented toward war with the powers of heaven.

01:26:05.240 Not spiritual war.

01:26:06.240 Yeah.

01:26:07.240 Kinetic war with the powers of heaven.

01:26:10.240 And, uh, I write about that in my book, Birthright.

01:26:13.240 But, um, so anyway, that's, that's the purpose, function and design of the mystery.

01:26:21.240 By the, by the way, you don't even have to believe in some, you know, John Podesta,

01:26:26.240 wearing a cloak, you know, boiling a pot of, you know, Eye of Newt or whatever.

01:26:30.240 You just listen to ordinary, normal, liberal atheist types who say, we're going to cure death

01:26:36.240 and you'll live forever.

01:26:37.240 You think, and you just think like, yeah, that, that pursuit is obviously afoot.

01:26:41.240 And you want to tell these guys, you say, guys, you can live forever.

01:26:46.240 I got, I got the answer for you.

01:26:48.240 And you don't need to build a supercomputer dummies and you don't need to plug something

01:26:51.240 into your brain.

01:26:52.240 I am the resurrection and the life.

01:26:53.240 Yeah.

01:26:54.240 Like that.

01:26:55.240 He who believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live.

01:26:57.240 Yeah.

01:26:58.240 That's the answer.

01:26:59.240 That's the answer.

01:27:00.240 Yes.

01:27:01.240 And, and, and it's, it, it stupefies me that people are, are searching for eternal life,

01:27:09.240 striving for eternal life, for immortality, but rejecting the one who freely gives it.

01:27:13.240 Of course.

01:27:14.240 Of course.

01:27:15.240 Now I have to ask you, this is slightly changing topics to bring us a little bit more down to

01:27:20.240 earth or maybe beam us up to outer space.

01:27:22.240 I'm not quite sure.

01:27:23.240 Who are the Peruvian faces? 1.00

01:27:26.240 Okay.

01:27:27.240 So, uh, so back in, uh, 2023, in the summer of 2023, specifically July, there were a series

01:27:35.240 of videos that were going viral on the internet, on social media.

01:27:39.240 And these videos depicted villagers living out in the jungles of Peru who were, uh, who

01:27:48.240 were running around at night with their guns, just, just charging their firearms into the

01:27:52.240 jungle, screaming, very animated about something happening in their village.

01:27:57.240 And it turns out that what they were claiming was that they were being assaulted by these

01:28:04.240 very strange people who could fly, who were apparently impervious to gunfire, and who were,

01:28:12.240 at least in some cases, attempting to peel pieces, people's faces off.

01:28:16.240 And they, and some of the villagers were calling them the pelacadas.

01:28:21.240 And before I get into, into this story, let me set up this, this legend of the pelacadas.

01:28:26.240 The legend of the face peelers in Peru goes back to the mid eighties, not before, goes back 0.99

01:28:31.240 to the mid eighties.

01:28:33.240 And this is not some ancient Peruvian legend.

01:28:36.240 This is like within living memory.

01:28:38.240 And the reason why I say it doesn't go before is because I talked to, um, villagers in Peru

01:28:42.240 about this and they'll tell you that like guys, my age will tell you that, um, my father

01:28:48.240 told me about the face peelers or my mom told me about the face peelers.

01:28:51.240 But, and, and I would ask, well, what about your grandparents?

01:28:53.240 Did they know about them?

01:28:54.240 No, no, it started in my father's generation.

01:28:57.240 And then so we figured out it was sometime in the eighties when this phenomenon.

01:29:01.240 So it's like Ollie North, you know, Iran Contra cold war kind of thing.

01:29:05.240 Yeah.

01:29:06.240 It started, it started in the eighties and, um, and the face peeler legend, it's kind of

01:29:11.240 like a boogeyman legend in the jungle.

01:29:12.240 The mothers will tell their kids, don't go out in the jungle by yourself at night or the

01:29:16.240 face peelers will get you.

01:29:18.240 And so from time to, from time to time, people living in these remote villages, the indigenous

01:29:25.240 people, especially in Peru would, someone would go missing.

01:29:30.240 A member of these populations would go, of these communities would go missing.

01:29:34.240 And then they would mysteriously show up in the jungle or floating in the river with either

01:29:40.240 part or all of their face missing and surgically removed, not, not like chewed off by a leopard,

01:29:49.240 bit your face. 0.63

01:29:50.240 Right. 0.94

01:29:51.240 Not chewed off by a jaguar or piranha or something like that. 0.52

01:29:53.240 Their face would be surgically removed.

01:29:57.240 And so there are, there are two ideas in the legend about who's perpetrating this face

01:30:03.240 peeling.

01:30:04.240 And some of the indigenous people will say that these are gringos, that these are, are

01:30:10.240 gringos who are harvesting organs.

01:30:11.240 Cause apparently in some cases they also found that the organs were gone.

01:30:15.240 It's hard to sell a face though.

01:30:16.240 There aren't that.

01:30:17.240 It's hard to sell.

01:30:18.240 I guess it happened.

01:30:19.240 There are face transplant, not very many though.

01:30:20.240 Especially in the eighties.

01:30:21.240 Especially in the eighties, there weren't, weren't very many.

01:30:23.240 So that's what some of the indigenous people have said and would say to this day.

01:30:26.240 And then others will say, no, no, it's not gringos.

01:30:29.240 It's aliens.

01:30:30.240 Precisely because of the apparent technology being deployed in this phenomenon.

01:30:36.240 So the villagers were claiming that these, that these incursions were the face peelers,

01:30:42.240 the pelacadas.

01:30:43.240 And again, some of them thought these are gringos.

01:30:46.240 Others thought these were aliens.

01:30:48.240 And there were a handful of videos that surfaced in July of 2023.

01:30:52.240 And one of the more prominent ones that, that, that got probably got the most traction online

01:30:57.240 was from the village of San Antonio de Pintuyaco, which is located in the Peruvian Amazon,

01:31:04.240 Northern Peruvian Amazon in the district of Nanay.

01:31:08.240 And, um, this is Northwest of the city of Iquitos.

01:31:12.240 And, uh, I was, I was very, obviously very interested in this face peeler phenomenon specifically

01:31:21.240 because I lived in that part of the jungle.

01:31:23.240 I'm very familiar with the jungle around Iquitos.

01:31:26.240 And, uh, as a young man, I was 19 years old living with indigenous people and, and some

01:31:31.240 of these communities.

01:31:32.240 Um, that's where I learned Spanish.

01:31:35.240 And so I was especially intrigued by this phenomenon.

01:31:39.240 And I had heard of the face peeler phenomenon, um, when I was living in those communities. 0.58

01:31:44.240 And so naturally, uh, fans of mine were, were asking me, begging me to go to Peru to investigate.

01:31:53.240 Well, luckily for me, I didn't have my passport at the time because I had sent it in to get

01:32:01.240 renewed.

01:32:02.240 And so it just turned out that I didn't have my passport.

01:32:04.240 So it was, I was glad because I, I really didn't want to get involved in this situation.

01:32:09.240 Yeah.

01:32:10.240 I'd like to keep my face.

01:32:11.240 Exactly.

01:32:12.240 Yeah.

01:32:13.240 I kind of like having a face.

01:32:14.240 So I, I just sort of sat back and watch this unfold like everybody else and, and was

01:32:20.240 waiting for somebody to go do an investigation.

01:32:22.240 And it was July is when this really broke out mid July to end July.

01:32:27.240 And it, and it went into August and it wasn't going away.

01:32:30.240 Yeah.

01:32:31.240 And, and there were various incursions.

01:32:33.240 I mean, it was a big deal.

01:32:34.240 It was all over the Peruvian press.

01:32:35.240 The Peruvian press was taken this really, really seriously.

01:32:39.240 And then, and then ultimately it made its way to the American press.

01:32:42.240 And, uh, the villagers were desperate.

01:32:47.240 The, the villagers of San Antonio Pinto Yaku in particular were, were begging the Navy to

01:32:55.240 come and protect their village.

01:32:57.240 protect their village.

01:32:58.240 Hmm.

01:32:59.240 There's a Navy base in the Quito's and they were begging the Navy to come protect their

01:33:02.240 village.

01:33:03.240 In fact, they were making videos and where they're holding signs saying, you know, please

01:33:07.240 help us send patrols, something like that.

01:33:10.240 And, and nobody was going, nobody was helping these people and more and more videos were

01:33:15.240 surfacing.

01:33:16.240 And then there was an, an attempted abduction of one of, of a young girl in the village.

01:33:20.240 Let me say that again.

01:33:21.240 There was an attempted abduction of a 15 year old girl in the village.

01:33:25.240 Her name is Talia.

01:33:27.240 And, uh, and they, she was being abducted by these face peelers and, and, and she was saved. 1.00

01:33:34.240 And I'll get into that in a little bit.

01:33:36.240 Um, and when I saw that, I knew this is serious because she was unconscious and she had incisions 0.96

01:33:41.240 under her jawline.

01:33:43.240 And I thought, okay, this is, this is serious.

01:33:45.240 I know these people.

01:33:46.240 I know these indigenous communities.

01:33:47.240 They're not making this up.

01:33:48.240 Hmm.

01:33:49.240 And so ultimately the provincial government sent in the wake of this attempted abduction,

01:33:56.240 sent two police officers from the city of Iquitos and they had a Navy escort.

01:34:01.240 So they went in a Navy boat, not like a ship, just a.

01:34:04.240 You know, a small, uh, Navy escort.

01:34:06.240 Yeah.

01:34:07.240 They went to the village and they did a, an investigation.

01:34:11.240 Yeah.

01:34:12.240 And they, because they had to, because there was an attempted abduction.

01:34:16.240 So they went to the village and they interviewed some people and, and it was these two police

01:34:20.240 officers who concocted, they confected a ridiculous story.

01:34:26.240 They said that the village was being, the villagers never said this.

01:34:30.240 They said that the villagers were being attacked by river miners with state of the art jet packs. 0.99

01:34:37.240 Huh.

01:34:38.240 And, and, and when I heard that, I instantly knew it was absurd because what the villagers

01:34:45.240 were saying about these assailants is that they were wearing, they were, they were wearing,

01:34:52.240 um, uh, some kind of armor plating.

01:34:55.240 Okay.

01:34:56.240 Armored body suits, head to foot.

01:34:58.240 They had helmets.

01:35:00.240 They had the, the helmets had almond shaped eye lenses.

01:35:03.240 And some of them shot these guys at point blank range with shotgun, 16 gauge, to no effect.

01:35:10.240 They said that these, these assailants could fly, that they could hover off the ground.

01:35:15.240 And that they.

01:35:16.240 Of their own bodies or on some contraption?

01:35:18.240 Well, that gets a little complex, but, but the initial story was that they could hover.

01:35:23.240 That one guy said a meter off the ground and they could shoot up into the sky.

01:35:28.240 And, and if you know, if you've ever been to the Amazon jungle, the idea of trying to navigate

01:35:35.240 through the canopy with a jet pack is absurd at night, by the way, absurd.

01:35:41.240 And, and then furthermore, the idea that river miners, Peruvian river miners are in possession

01:35:47.240 of this technology is even more absurd.

01:35:50.240 Um, all these people who were parroting this story, this false story so confidently that

01:35:57.240 Peruvian press picked it up.

01:35:59.240 And then the American news agencies here ran with it, like news nation and others ran with

01:36:04.240 it that all mystery solved.

01:36:07.240 It was miners with jet packs.

01:36:09.240 It was like, okay, hold on a minute.

01:36:11.240 You people have never encountered river miners in Peru.

01:36:14.240 I have.

01:36:15.240 And you don't know anything about the Amazon jungle.

01:36:18.240 If you think you can fly around the canopy with a jet pack at night.

01:36:21.240 So I knew it was absurd and I couldn't believe that the media bought the story.

01:36:26.240 I couldn't believe it.

01:36:27.240 So I got my passport back and I resolved to go because I thought I couldn't believe no one

01:36:33.240 went out there to, to conduct an investigation.

01:36:36.240 Nobody had gone except for these two police officers.

01:36:38.240 So I'm even stuck on the jet pack.

01:36:42.240 Like there are, I guess there are jet packs.

01:36:44.240 There's like, it's not like in cartoons, I assume, but.

01:36:46.240 So there is some jet pack technology, uh, that's extremely loud.

01:36:52.240 Yeah.

01:36:53.240 And, and there's some battery operated jet pack technology because, and I say battery operated

01:37:02.240 because these guys flew silently.

01:37:03.240 That's the other detail that I didn't mention.

01:37:05.240 They were silent.

01:37:06.240 Okay.

01:37:07.240 So it had to be like battery operated or something like that.

01:37:09.240 And there is some technology like that out there today, but, but it's very limited,

01:37:13.240 very limited and it's, you, you can't, you can't fly for very long because the battery

01:37:19.240 runs out.

01:37:20.240 Um, and so.

01:37:21.240 And you probably can't get through the canopy of the jungle.

01:37:24.240 No.

01:37:25.240 And it's very expensive and it's not really available in the commercial market.

01:37:28.240 And so the story was that the cartels were funding this operation and the whole purpose

01:37:35.240 of, of this bizarre phenomenon was to drive the villagers off of their land so that the

01:37:41.240 river miners could mine for gold in their, in the rivers, which is, which are under their

01:37:47.240 jurisdiction, by the way, these indigenous communities, that's their jurisdiction.

01:37:50.240 They, they have oversight over that.

01:37:53.240 Traditionally the government, proven government has conceded land just like here, except we

01:37:58.240 put Indians in the reservation over there. 0.90

01:38:01.240 They still live in their tradition.

01:38:03.240 Though we, we don't intend to give our reservations, uh, gold, uh, but I could see, look.

01:38:07.240 Or jet packs.

01:38:08.240 Or jet packs for that matter.

01:38:10.240 We, we do though, or if it were the cartel, I could see why the cart, the cartel wants money

01:38:14.240 and there's money here and they want, they would like terrorizing people and they cut people's 0.85

01:38:18.240 faces off. 0.51

01:38:19.240 So that kind of checks out.

01:38:20.240 Yeah.

01:38:21.240 The jet pack thing.

01:38:22.240 Yes.

01:38:23.240 They do.

01:38:24.240 But the, the jet pack thing is kind of, that's a little weirder.

01:38:26.240 So I didn't know what was happening.

01:38:29.240 I was following the story.

01:38:30.240 I did a couple of videos on my YouTube channel about it and I didn't know if it was cartels.

01:38:34.240 Maybe there's some cartel activity, but the basic premise I knew was absurd.

01:38:39.240 So I resolved to go to Peru myself.

01:38:42.240 And I, uh, I was accompanied by my friend, Doug Thornton, who was an infantry Marine and a DHS operator.

01:38:53.240 We didn't want to just go to the village, a couple of gringos showing up and, you know, tell me about the space aliens that are attacking you. 1.00

01:39:00.240 Yeah.

01:39:01.240 Hola.

01:39:02.240 So we wanted to provision the village.

01:39:04.240 If we were going to go, we want to provision them with technology.

01:39:07.240 The men of the village were conducting patrols at night.

01:39:10.240 They were exhausted.

01:39:11.240 They were no longer going out to their chakras, to their farms because of this.

01:39:15.240 They were terrified.

01:39:16.240 I mean, these people were terrified.

01:39:17.240 Yeah.

01:39:18.240 And so they were running out of food.

01:39:19.240 They're pleading with the government to help them.

01:39:22.240 Nobody's helping them.

01:39:23.240 So we decided to provision them.

01:39:25.240 And in fact, I got in contact through a colleague of mine, Brazilian ufologist, Ronnie Vernet.

01:39:33.240 And he connected me with somebody in the village, with one of the villagers.

01:39:38.240 And this young man's name was Christian.

01:39:40.240 He was the teacher there.

01:39:42.240 And it was Christian who had filmed, taken the footage of the incidents that went viral on the internet.

01:39:50.240 And so I talked to Christian.

01:39:52.240 I speak Spanish.

01:39:53.240 I talked to Christian.

01:39:54.240 And he suggested that I record audio and express my intention.

01:40:08.240 And that he would give that audio recording to the council of elders.

01:40:14.240 And I did that.

01:40:16.240 He gave the audio recording, played the audio recording for them to the chief, the Apu, and his elders in the village.

01:40:22.240 And they responded very warmly and invited me officially to come to their village.

01:40:28.240 And they sent me like this official document and were inviting me to come to do this investigation.

01:40:34.240 So once I had that, I made arrangements for a riverboat to take me up the river.

01:40:40.240 This is deep in the jungle.

01:40:42.240 And, you know, it's a couple of days up the river, the Pintu Yaku, up the Nanai and then the Pintu Yaku.

01:40:48.240 And so in addition to the technological implements that we were bringing with us, we were bringing radios, high powered flashlights, some night vision goggles technology that had recording capabilities so that they could record the phenomenon.

01:41:06.240 And some other gear as well, some other tactical gear for their patrols.

01:41:13.240 And in addition to that, the villagers were in need of medical supplies and food.

01:41:21.240 And so with the help of a mutual friend, Pastor Darren Tyler from Conduit Church, Pastor Tyler and some of the men from his church raised some money to help us provision the village.

01:41:38.240 Oh, great.

01:41:39.240 So thank you to the men of Conduit Church.

01:41:44.240 And so we were able to provision the village with these supplies.

01:41:51.240 We actually, I was met in Iquitos by the Apu. 0.98

01:41:55.240 The chief of the village met me in Iquitos and went up the river with us.

01:41:59.240 He escorted us up the river with some of the guys from his village.

01:42:02.240 And also, because I didn't know what I was getting into, I thought there's a good chance the cartel's involved here.

01:42:07.240 Yeah.

01:42:08.240 So I contracted with two jungle commando Navy guys, Peruvian guys to go with us. 0.95

01:42:17.240 You can do that in Peru.

01:42:18.240 Yeah.

01:42:19.240 Active duty.

01:42:20.240 Really?

01:42:21.240 That's great.

01:42:22.240 And so they went up the river.

01:42:23.240 So we went to the village on this river boat.

01:42:26.240 By the way, all of this footage, we filmed it on GoPros and stuff.

01:42:30.240 It's all on my YouTube channel in a video.

01:42:32.240 We went up the river.

01:42:34.240 And I've been in these communities a lot, as I said, very, very familiar with the cultures out there.

01:42:40.240 I speak a dialect.

01:42:42.240 It's Spanish, but it's a form of Spanish that mixes in a lot of Quechua.

01:42:47.240 Yep.

01:42:48.240 Yeah.

01:42:49.240 And they call it charapa.

01:42:50.240 Hmm.

01:42:51.240 And that's the kind of Spanish I speak naturally is charapa, because I learned to speak it in

01:42:55.240 the jungle.

01:42:56.240 So they always find that humorous.

01:42:58.240 Yeah.

01:42:59.240 It's like if a Peruvian- 1.00

01:43:00.240 It's not Castilian Spanish.

01:43:01.240 No, no.

01:43:02.240 It's like if a Peruvian, if you met a Peruvian here in the United States who spoke with like 0.93

01:43:06.240 a really, really strong-

01:43:08.240 Tennessee accent.

01:43:09.240 Or Louisiana accent.

01:43:10.240 Yeah.

01:43:11.240 That's what I was like to them.

01:43:13.240 So I arrive at the village and it was like I was greeted by a small army of guys with shotguns.

01:43:19.240 And I'd never seen that before.

01:43:22.240 I mean, everybody's got guns out in the jungle.

01:43:24.240 Even though it's, you're not allowed to own guns in Peru, but they give special, they give

01:43:31.240 special, what's the word I'm looking for here?

01:43:33.240 They give special concessions to the indigenous communities.

01:43:38.240 Yeah.

01:43:39.240 And so there are dozens and dozens of guys who met me at the shore armed to the teeth,

01:43:44.240 but they were, but luckily they had, thankfully had smiles on their faces.

01:43:48.240 You know, they weren't, they didn't look like they were-

01:43:51.240 Said, I'm not here to take any faces. 0.94

01:43:53.240 Exactly.

01:43:54.240 I miss you.

01:43:55.240 And we were very, very much aware of the fact that here's a couple of gringos coming 1.00

01:43:59.240 in right on the heels of this face peeler phenomenon.

01:44:02.240 And, you know, that maybe half the village is going to think we're the face peelers.

01:44:05.240 So we were, we were a little bit nervous about that.

01:44:07.240 So, um, they received us very warmly into the village.

01:44:12.240 In fact, they brought us into this, this building at the center of the village called the

01:44:17.240 Tambo.

01:44:18.240 Yeah.

01:44:19.240 And it's a, it's a government outpost and it's a communication center that was built by the

01:44:24.240 provincial government.

01:44:26.240 And they put it there specifically because this is a very important village.

01:44:30.240 These are the Ikitu people.

01:44:31.240 Yeah.

01:44:32.240 And, and, um, very, very ancient indigenous culture living in the Amazon.

01:44:38.240 And this was like the last outpost of civilization before just a vast uninhabited tract of, of

01:44:43.240 track of Amazon jungle.

01:44:44.240 Yeah.

01:44:45.240 And so there happened to be a communications outpost there, which means there was internet.

01:44:48.240 Um, and that's a very important component of the story because the villagers, even though

01:44:52.240 these are indigenous people and they're not wearing grass skirts, you know, these are civilized

01:44:57.240 villagers.

01:44:58.240 They are, they watch all the same movies we do.

01:45:01.240 Yeah.

01:45:02.240 They're on YouTube.

01:45:03.240 They have Facebook accounts because they sit in the Tambo with their cell phones and 1.00

01:45:06.240 they're able to have internet access way out there in the middle of the jungle.

01:45:09.240 They better subscribe to the Michael Knowles YouTube channel.

01:45:11.240 I don't know how to say that.

01:45:12.240 You're going to have to, you're going to have to start a, uh, a Spanish, a channel.

01:45:17.240 A Quechua. 0.99

01:45:18.240 Yeah.

01:45:19.240 Just for the village of San Antonio.

01:45:20.240 So, um, anyway, they, they, uh, received us very warmly.

01:45:27.240 They did, they, they, they did this traditional dance for us and we drink Masato, which is

01:45:33.240 masticated yuca.

01:45:34.240 Hmm.

01:45:35.240 And, um, it was, it was really cool.

01:45:37.240 All that's filmed in, in, on my YouTube channel.

01:45:40.240 Uh, and then I initiated the investigation and we interviewed dozens of people, dozens

01:45:46.240 and dozens of people from the village.

01:45:48.240 And we got the same story from everybody.

01:45:49.240 First of all, it was apparent that these people were, it was like, we were encountering

01:45:53.240 people with, with PTSD.

01:45:55.240 Huh.

01:45:56.240 Um, it was immediately apparent to us that whatever happened in this village, it was

01:46:00.240 serious.

01:46:01.240 How, how many of them had firsthand experience of these rather than, you know, I, my, my grandma

01:46:06.240 was attacked last night, you know.

01:46:08.240 Uh, most, uh, I shouldn't say most of them, probably half of the villagers.

01:46:11.240 Half of them had like seen the-

01:46:13.240 Had experienced the phenomenon.

01:46:15.240 Okay.

01:46:16.240 Uh, also, let me give you the details of what this phenomenon actually was.

01:46:20.240 Okay.

01:46:21.240 So, as I began to interview these people, uh, a couple of things became immediately apparent.

01:46:29.240 Number one, the incursions would begin only at night, after this, right after sundown.

01:46:36.240 And, and the way that it's, the way that they knew that these assailants were coming

01:46:41.240 is they would see these, these little, like flying saucers in the sky.

01:46:46.240 Yeah.

01:46:47.240 These little, these little saucers.

01:46:48.240 Yeah.

01:46:49.240 And they'd see the saucers hovering around in the sky.

01:46:51.240 And then the saucers would go down into the canopy.

01:46:55.240 And then shortly thereafter, two of the assailants, in many cases, would be found making, making

01:47:02.240 an incursion into the village.

01:47:04.240 And what these saucers were, were circular hoverboards.

01:47:11.240 So these guys were flying on circular hoverboards over the canopy.

01:47:17.240 And then they would land in the jungle, land the hoverboards in the jungle, disembark, and

01:47:21.240 then come into the village, sneak into the village.

01:47:24.240 Okay.

01:47:25.240 Many of the villagers saw the saucer.

01:47:28.240 Saw the, some of the guys would flash their flashlights up at them and would see a guy

01:47:32.240 surfing on one of these things.

01:47:35.240 And as I said earlier, they were, they were dressed head to foot in armored body suits

01:47:41.240 with helmets.

01:47:43.240 And one of the villagers likened them famously on one of these videos that surfaced in July

01:47:49.240 went to the green goblin from the Spider-Man.

01:47:51.240 Yeah.

01:47:52.240 Yeah.

01:47:53.240 And you remember the green, the green goblin flew around on that, that apparatus.

01:47:58.240 And he had a body suit.

01:47:59.240 But in this case, he would get a green body suit and he had the helmet and the, and the

01:48:02.240 almond shaped eyes.

01:48:03.240 So it was actually, um, that's very close to what they were seeing.

01:48:07.240 Like the green goblin, except they weren't green.

01:48:09.240 They were black.

01:48:10.240 They were, they were wearing some sort of what, what, what we think was some sort of

01:48:14.240 stealth armor.

01:48:16.240 And, uh, one guy swore to me, the, the one he shot at point blank range was, was dressed

01:48:23.240 in a silver armored body suit.

01:48:25.240 The silver circler.

01:48:26.240 The silver circler.

01:48:27.240 The silver circler.

01:48:28.240 So everybody else said black.

01:48:30.240 This one guy said, no, I'm telling you it was silver.

01:48:32.240 Huh.

01:48:33.240 And, and he shot this guy point blank, point blank range, 15 feet away, knocked the guy

01:48:39.240 back.

01:48:40.240 The guy fell back.

01:48:41.240 And I guess I should say to begin with that this assailant was floating, but not on a

01:48:46.240 disc.

01:48:47.240 He was, there was some sort of mechanism on the bottom of his boots.

01:48:50.240 Many of the villagers told me this, that there were two discs on the bottom of their

01:48:55.240 footwear and they were glowing.

01:48:57.240 These discs were glowing and that these guys could float around.

01:49:00.240 So aside from the hoverboards, which they, which they landed and then disembarked from

01:49:06.240 their hoverboards, they could still hover around just on some kind of technology incorporated

01:49:10.240 into their footwear.

01:49:11.240 Huh.

01:49:12.240 Many of the villagers told me this.

01:49:13.240 In fact, the Apu told me that, um, their, they, they would find their tracks in the jungle,

01:49:19.240 but they weren't boots.

01:49:20.240 They were two circles.

01:49:21.240 Like you could see the outline of like a boot, but it was two circles.

01:49:24.240 Like there were two, some sort of like pads, circular devices on the bottom.

01:49:29.240 And, and so these assailants, uh, they had, they were wearing backpacks, but they were

01:49:35.240 like hard shell backpacks and they weren't jet packs.

01:49:40.240 So that the, the flight technology was in their boots and was in the hoverboards.

01:49:44.240 Yeah.

01:49:45.240 The backpacks we surmise were batteries.

01:49:48.240 Okay.

01:49:49.240 Reactors of some kind, but it gets even more bizarre because not only did these people

01:49:55.240 encounter these assailants on these circular hoverboards, they also encountered numerous

01:50:00.240 villagers encountered what I can only describe as advanced aerospace vehicles, UFO type.

01:50:06.240 Yeah.

01:50:07.240 That would hover silently over the village.

01:50:09.240 And these craft were shaped like an acorn on its side.

01:50:13.240 Okay.

01:50:14.240 So it's kind of a Delta shape.

01:50:15.240 Yeah.

01:50:16.240 Not exactly like an acorn, but more or less like an acorn.

01:50:18.240 Like a Star Wars destroyer.

01:50:19.240 Yeah.

01:50:20.240 Something like that, but more rounded.

01:50:21.240 Okay.

01:50:22.240 And they were about the size of a, of a large helicopter.

01:50:24.240 So like the, the, the size of like a Black Hawk or a Chinook.

01:50:27.240 Okay.

01:50:28.240 And, and I interviewed a handful of villagers who had close encounters with these craft.

01:50:37.240 One lady said she came out of her house, um, cause they were all living in terror.

01:50:41.240 Yeah.

01:50:42.240 And during, during the month, all the entire, the entire month of July and part of the month

01:50:46.240 of July, these villagers were living in abject terror.

01:50:49.240 She said that they would all be huddled up every night.

01:50:52.240 Everybody would be huddled up in their house.

01:50:53.240 What year is it?

01:50:54.240 In their hut.

01:50:55.240 This is 2023.

01:50:56.240 Wow.

01:50:57.240 And she said that they would hear the assailants come into the village because these assailants,

01:51:07.240 she even told me, she told me something bizarre.

01:51:09.240 She said that they were, they would knock on the walls and they would pull on the boards.

01:51:14.240 Cause these are primitive huts with like boards and grass roofs.

01:51:18.240 And they would pull on the boards and bang on the walls.

01:51:21.240 And she said, sometimes they would see these guys and they would always come two by two.

01:51:25.240 She, they would see these guys and, and they were terrifying.

01:51:29.240 She said, because they had these glowing almond shaped eyes, eye lenses.

01:51:33.240 Yeah.

01:51:34.240 Some said glowing yellow, some said glowing green, which we think maybe is some kind of night

01:51:38.240 vision technology.

01:51:39.240 And she said they, she saw one jump over her house.

01:51:43.240 He had some kind of technology in his footwear where he was able to leap over her house.

01:51:47.240 And she said one day she came out and she looked up and right above her house was one of these craft, hovering silently.

01:51:55.240 She said it was matte black, hovering silently.

01:51:59.240 And another individual told me he was at three in the morning.

01:52:02.240 He went out to pull up his nets in the river.

01:52:04.240 And he said, he's pulling his nets up.

01:52:07.240 And suddenly it's like the sun came up.

01:52:09.240 So it was like somebody turned the lights on.

01:52:11.240 And it was, everything was illuminated around him.

01:52:13.240 And he was in his canoe.

01:52:14.240 He looks up and about, he said about 20 to 30 feet above him is one of these craft hovering there silently.

01:52:22.240 He said, but it was translucent.

01:52:24.240 He said, I could see the, the, the body of the craft, like mesh, like looking through a screen door.

01:52:30.240 Yeah. Yeah.

01:52:31.240 And I could see two individuals inside of it.

01:52:33.240 And it was, he described it great deal.

01:52:36.240 He, he, in great detail, he drew it for me on an acrylic chalkboard.

01:52:40.240 I filmed it and he described how it was just hovering silently, had a delight, these floodlights on.

01:52:47.240 And then it deployed these, it didn't have wings.

01:52:49.240 It had little stubby protrude, protrusions instead of wings.

01:52:52.240 And it, these, these protrusions opened up and it, and they deployed a series of rapidly blinking lights.

01:52:59.240 And then they closed, they folded back in.

01:53:01.240 And then it, it just sort of turned and started to move away.

01:53:04.240 And he said, when it started to move away, it generated a low frequency hum.

01:53:09.240 And this isn't one or two people, multiple people in the village saw this craft, described it in the exact same terms, drew it in the dirt for me.

01:53:17.240 And this guy on the acrylic chalkboard.

01:53:20.240 So, you know, initially when we first began our investigation, we were in the village for three days.

01:53:25.240 When we, when we initially began our investigation, Doug and I, the first day, we heard about six testimonies.

01:53:35.240 We went out into the areas where they encountered these things and they described what they saw and what happened.

01:53:39.240 We went back to our, we were, we were staying on the riverboat that was parked, that was harbored right out, right, right by, right on the bank of the river, right by the village.

01:53:48.240 Yeah, yeah.

01:53:49.240 And we went back and we huddled up with our security guys, with our, with our Navy guys.

01:53:54.240 And we said, okay, we think this is the cartels.

01:53:58.240 Yeah.

01:53:59.240 This is before they started telling me about the advanced aerospace vehicles.

01:54:01.240 I hadn't heard that yet.

01:54:03.240 Our initial thought was this is cartels.

01:54:05.240 And we, we, we, we decided that we need to make sure that, um, if this is cartels, it's likely they're watching us or they know that we're up here and we need to make sure that our security at night, somebody's up, somebody's constantly surveilling the area.

01:54:20.240 Um, cause you know, we really thought we were in danger at first.

01:54:24.240 Of course.

01:54:25.240 But then as, as the testimonies were coming forward in the, in the, in the, the following day about these aerospace vehicles, then I knew we're not dealing with the cartels.

01:54:34.240 Yeah.

01:54:35.240 Cartels do not have advanced aerospace vehicles.

01:54:37.240 And.

01:54:38.240 I mean, they've got impressive resources, some of the cartels, but.

01:54:41.240 Helicopters.

01:54:42.240 Yeah.

01:54:43.240 They've got helicopters and probably, you know, armored vehicles and everything like that.

01:54:46.240 But not many spaceships.

01:54:47.240 They don't have many spaceships.

01:54:48.240 No.

01:54:49.240 So we knew, we knew once we started here in these, once we started realizing that there's advanced technology,

01:54:54.240 being deployed that we're, we're not in the realm of cartels anymore.

01:54:57.240 That's, that's probably a relief to.

01:54:59.240 It was a relief.

01:55:00.240 Your guards too.

01:55:01.240 You say like, Hey, Captain Rodriguez, you can take a nap now.

01:55:03.240 Cause you're not going to stop.

01:55:04.240 Oh no.

01:55:05.240 They still stayed up all night.

01:55:07.240 They still stayed up all night.

01:55:08.240 And we did too.

01:55:09.240 Cause we were there to fit.

01:55:10.240 We wanted to film the phenomenon.

01:55:11.240 Yeah.

01:55:12.240 So we were up to like three, three in the morning.

01:55:14.240 Cause it usually the phenomenon usually would begin, as I said, right after dark.

01:55:18.240 Yeah.

01:55:19.240 And then carry through the night.

01:55:21.240 So we, we were able to interview Talia, the 15 year old girl who was being abducted, who

01:55:28.240 was nearly abducted.

01:55:29.240 And my first encounter with Talia was one evening, we went into the village and in the

01:55:35.240 evening in these indigenous communities, the villagers are all in the square.

01:55:39.240 Yeah.

01:55:40.240 And they're all, all the men play soccer.

01:55:42.240 All the women play volleyball.

01:55:44.240 And so they're all playing soccer and volleyball.

01:55:48.240 And we walk into the square and we notice a teenage girl sitting all by herself up against

01:55:57.240 a hut.

01:55:58.240 And she's sitting there with a smile on her face, just watching her friends play volleyball.

01:56:03.240 And, um, we found out that that was Talia. 0.99

01:56:07.240 That was the girl that was nearly abducted.

01:56:09.240 And, and so I talked to the Apu of the village and I said, we would like to talk to Talia, 0.99

01:56:13.240 but we don't want to approach ourselves.

01:56:14.240 Yeah.

01:56:15.240 Yeah.

01:56:16.240 So can you, can you go and talk to her and see if she'll come in and, and let us interview 0.53

01:56:20.240 her.

01:56:21.240 And so he went and got her father.

01:56:23.240 And in the meantime, Talia is just sitting there enjoying herself. 1.00

01:56:28.240 She looks over at us and as soon as she locks eyes on us, she starts to tremble and, and 0.97

01:56:35.240 she turns her head and she takes her hair and pulls it over the side of her face to hide 0.99

01:56:39.240 her face from us.

01:56:40.240 And she's trembling and we could tell she's crying.

01:56:43.240 Yeah.

01:56:44.240 So as soon as she saw us, it was like PTSD.

01:56:46.240 Yeah.

01:56:47.240 And, and we really felt bad for her because obviously something traumatic had happened to

01:56:52.240 this, this young lady.

01:56:53.240 Yeah.

01:56:54.240 And the father went over and talked to her and then came over to us and said, I'm sorry,

01:56:57.240 but she, she does not want to talk to you.

01:56:59.240 She's just, she's frightened.

01:57:01.240 She's crying.

01:57:02.240 She's, she's very traumatized.

01:57:03.240 She doesn't want to talk to you. 0.99

01:57:05.240 And she, she associated, she was associating us, us with her, with her abductors.

01:57:10.240 Yeah.

01:57:11.240 And so he said, Hey, come by my house tomorrow morning, just come by in the morning.

01:57:16.240 I'll bring her out.

01:57:17.240 I'll talk to her.

01:57:19.240 I'll get her to talk to you guys.

01:57:21.240 So the next morning we showed up at his house in the village and, and we went into the backyard

01:57:28.240 and, and he brought Talia out to us.

01:57:31.240 And when Talia came out, when she saw us, she started trembling and crying.

01:57:36.240 I mean, it was apparent, abundantly apparent that this girl had major PTSD severe.

01:57:42.240 So she, long story short, um, she started to tell me what had happened.

01:57:50.240 And what happened to Talia was in the midst of when these incursions, incursions were happening

01:57:54.240 in July, in the midst of this situation, one evening she's in her backyard and she's got

01:57:59.240 like this long stick and she's knocking fruit down from the tree to make a drink as the sun 0.99

01:58:05.240 is going down and she knocked one of these fruits down on the ground and she bent over 0.99

01:58:10.240 to pick it up.

01:58:11.240 And she said, she felt the wind at her back and the dry leaves were rustled on the ground.

01:58:15.240 She went to pick up this fruit and she looked behind her and she said, she saw a man very,

01:58:22.240 very tall.

01:58:23.240 By the way, all of the villagers said that the assailants were very tall, taller than me.

01:58:27.240 And I'm really tall in Peru.

01:58:30.240 Yeah.

01:58:31.240 And I'm six one.

01:58:32.240 They, most of them said the villager that they, most of the villagers were describing people

01:58:37.240 who were seven feet tall, six and a half to seven feet tall.

01:58:40.240 That's what they were all saying.

01:58:42.240 So she said that she looks, she looks back and she sees this guy dressed in a black armored

01:58:49.240 bodysuit, helmet and everything, almond shaped eye lenses, surfing on a circular hoverboard.

01:58:56.240 He came, there's in her backyard.

01:58:58.240 There's like a gully.

01:58:59.240 It's a forested gully.

01:59:00.240 There's jungle down there.

01:59:01.240 Yeah.

01:59:02.240 They have a little chicken coop back there.

01:59:03.240 And there's like this, this, this yard full of jungle.

01:59:07.240 And then her neighbors are around.

01:59:08.240 Right.

01:59:09.240 And he said, this guy came surfing up the hill of the gully, landed next to her and grabbed

01:59:15.240 her from behind. 0.63

01:59:16.240 Yeah.

01:59:17.240 And he put his hand over her mouth and he, he grabbed her.

01:59:22.240 And as he was doing that, she saw another one, the second one come up, same thing surfing

01:59:27.240 on this hoverboard, landed in front of her and grabbed her feet. 0.99

01:59:31.240 And then she even described some of the body armor.

01:59:35.240 She said she, they had hard body armor on their arms.

01:59:38.240 It wasn't all over their body.

01:59:39.240 It was like a suit with body armor on it.

01:59:42.240 Okay.

01:59:43.240 And, and she said that when they, they lifted off the ground, holding her one like this

01:59:49.240 with covering her mouth from behind and the other one holding her feet. 1.00

01:59:52.240 When they lifted off the ground, they reached down and touched something on their boots and

01:59:57.240 that engaged the technology and they lifted up.

01:59:59.240 So now they got her on their hoverboards.

02:00:01.240 Yeah.

02:00:02.240 And they proceed to take her, fly her behind the chicken coop. 0.95

02:00:06.240 They land.

02:00:07.240 Okay.

02:00:08.240 And then one of them takes out some cream and some powder.

02:00:13.240 And he starts to mix the cream and powder together.

02:00:16.240 And then he takes a syringe, which seems to us it's a nasal syringe, sucks up the powder

02:00:21.240 and shoots it up her nose. 1.00

02:00:22.240 Okay.

02:00:23.240 And it makes her delirious.

02:00:25.240 It makes her, um, uh, incapacitated, but she's still, she's still conscious, but now

02:00:30.240 she's kind of whatever it is.

02:00:32.240 Loopy.

02:00:33.240 Yeah.

02:00:34.240 All there.

02:00:35.240 Yeah.

02:00:36.240 But, um, after this, they took out another cream and she said, this one looked like,

02:00:41.240 like a, uh, like, um, a tube of toothpaste.

02:00:45.240 Yeah.

02:00:46.240 And, and the guy put it and they had gloves on the guy put it in his hand and they, they

02:00:50.240 wiped it on the gloves and then they began to spread it on her face.

02:00:54.240 Okay.

02:00:55.240 And remember there's a guy in front and the other guy has her by the mouth and behind. 1.00

02:00:58.240 So the guy in front is spreading it on her face. 0.58

02:01:01.240 And he said, she heard the guy holding her from behind say, be careful, be careful.

02:01:05.240 Don't put too much on.

02:01:06.240 It's going to ruin the flesh.

02:01:08.240 Okay.

02:01:09.240 Now is what language is he saying this in?

02:01:12.240 Spanish.

02:01:13.240 They're speaking Spanish.

02:01:14.240 Okay.

02:01:15.240 But she told me, cause of course I was very interested in this detail.

02:01:18.240 I hadn't heard before that she hears these guys speaking.

02:01:21.240 And so I inquired, they're speaking Spanish obviously cause she's, that's all she's speaking.

02:01:25.240 She understood it.

02:01:26.240 Yeah.

02:01:27.240 Well, what kind of Spanish did they speak?

02:01:29.240 Did, did they have an accent?

02:01:30.240 She said, yes.

02:01:31.240 The, she called him the gringo.

02:01:33.240 Yeah.

02:01:34.240 The guy was holding her mouth. 0.61

02:01:35.240 The gringo had a gringo accent.

02:01:37.240 I said, well, what about the other guy?

02:01:38.240 No, no.

02:01:39.240 He sounded just like us.

02:01:40.240 So I thought, okay.

02:01:41.240 If, if she's recalling this accurately, you've got like a Peruvian operator and a gringo. 1.00

02:01:46.240 Yeah.

02:01:47.240 And so then after they smear this cream on her face, she said she felt her face go numb.

02:01:52.240 Okay.

02:01:53.240 And then they took out what sounds like, and her description sounds like a, a laser, uh,

02:01:58.240 is it a scapel?

02:02:00.240 Like a, like a, yeah, yeah.

02:02:01.240 Okay.

02:02:02.240 Is that the word scapel?

02:02:03.240 Scalpel.

02:02:04.240 Scalpel.

02:02:05.240 Scalpel.

02:02:06.240 Yeah.

02:02:07.240 There's a scapular, which I wear, but no scalpel.

02:02:08.240 Yes.

02:02:09.240 Scalpel.

02:02:10.240 Like a blade that doctors use for surgeries.

02:02:11.240 But it, but she said it was like, it was like, it wasn't just a blade.

02:02:13.240 It was like a laser thing.

02:02:15.240 Okay.

02:02:16.240 She started to make an incision under her jawline. 1.00

02:02:19.240 And, um, they actually, she had two incisions.

02:02:21.240 So they, they were cutting too low and then they went up higher.

02:02:24.240 So they're cutting right here under her jaw. 1.00

02:02:26.240 And, and as they're doing this, she's realizing they're about to take my face off.

02:02:32.240 Remember this isn't the first incursion.

02:02:33.240 So everybody in the village thinks they're being attacked by the face peelers. 1.00

02:02:36.240 Yeah.

02:02:37.240 And here's 15 year old Talia having the face peelers who she's heard of, who she, who she's, 1.00

02:02:42.240 I mean, they're all staying up at night, walking, the men are doing patrols every night.

02:02:45.240 She was, so she's thinking they got me, they're going to cut my face off.

02:02:49.240 Yeah.

02:02:50.240 And she knows she has one more opportunity.

02:02:52.240 If she can break loose, she has one opportunity to scream.

02:02:55.240 Yeah.

02:02:56.240 And she starts to wiggle.

02:02:58.240 And she said, the guy in front slapped her in the face. 0.98

02:03:02.240 So they start cutting.

02:03:03.240 She starts writhing. 1.00

02:03:04.240 Yeah.

02:03:05.240 The guy in front slaps her in the face. 1.00

02:03:06.240 And when he did, when he, when he did that, he knocked her loose.

02:03:09.240 Okay.

02:03:10.240 From the guy holding her.

02:03:11.240 Yeah.

02:03:12.240 And she screamed. 1.00

02:03:14.240 She let out a blood curdling scream. 1.00

02:03:17.240 And remember, the villagers are in a state of vigilance.

02:03:20.240 Yeah.

02:03:21.240 They're sitting there with their flashlights or walking patrols.

02:03:24.240 They hear her scream, her brother and the neighbors, and they come running.

02:03:28.240 And they're on scene probably in 30 seconds.

02:03:31.240 Yeah.

02:03:32.240 They're on scene.

02:03:33.240 And this is where her story ends and their story begins because she goes unconscious.

02:03:37.240 She remembers, um, when she screamed, she remembers them saying, we have, let's go, let's go.

02:03:43.240 We have to go.

02:03:44.240 And the one guy said, we can't leave her behind.

02:03:47.240 So he grabbed her. 0.80

02:03:48.240 This is the last thing she remembers.

02:03:49.240 They, he grabbed her from her hair by her hair and started dragging her. 1.00

02:03:53.240 Like he's floating on his disc, dragging her, trying to pull her up into the air and they couldn't do it.

02:03:59.240 So they dropped her. 0.50

02:04:00.240 That's the last thing she remembers being pulled by her hair and dropped.

02:04:04.240 They were dragging her up the hill, like to go up and out.

02:04:08.240 This is when the villagers show up, her brother and some of the others.

02:04:11.240 They see Talia laying on the ground.

02:04:13.240 She's got blood on her neck. 1.00

02:04:14.240 She's face down.

02:04:16.240 And these two guys surfing on these hoverboards.

02:04:19.240 So they see the guys.

02:04:20.240 Oh, they see them.

02:04:21.240 They're on scene.

02:04:22.240 It's not, cause it could be she's loop.

02:04:24.240 She admits she's loopy.

02:04:25.240 She's delusional.

02:04:26.240 If they just show up and see the girl.

02:04:28.240 Oh no, they see the guys.

02:04:29.240 Okay.

02:04:30.240 We talked to them.

02:04:31.240 Um, and her dad was explaining all this to me.

02:04:33.240 Explaining all this to me as well.

02:04:34.240 They see the guys surfing on the hoverboards.

02:04:38.240 Yeah.

02:04:39.240 And when the villagers show up, they go through the canopy on the hoverboards.

02:04:44.240 So very, it's, it was very visceral.

02:04:48.240 Okay.

02:04:49.240 These were not people fantasizing.

02:04:50.240 Yeah.

02:04:51.240 These were people who were frightened.

02:04:52.240 These are people who had PTSD.

02:04:54.240 Yeah.

02:04:55.240 The, she had the scars on her neck and there's video of her right after this happened.

02:05:00.240 Um, she went unconscious and she was on, she was unconscious for a long time and her face

02:05:06.240 was numb and swollen and, and the incision was very precise.

02:05:10.240 So it wasn't like an open wound.

02:05:11.240 Yeah.

02:05:12.240 It was very, very precise incision.

02:05:15.240 And so there were multiple encounters.

02:05:18.240 That was the most dangerous.

02:05:19.240 What did they do with the girl?

02:05:20.240 I mean, do they take her to a doctor?

02:05:21.240 They took her down the river to, uh, um, the next village down that had a medical post.

02:05:26.240 Okay.

02:05:27.240 So she was treated, mainly treated for, I mean, whatever they shot up her nose.

02:05:32.240 Yeah.

02:05:33.240 Yeah.

02:05:34.240 Rendered her ultimately unconscious and it didn't wear off for days.

02:05:38.240 And her face, as I said, her face was inflamed and then she woke up and she was, she was,

02:05:43.240 uh, diagnosed with severe PTSD afterward.

02:05:47.240 Her father showed me the paperwork.

02:05:48.240 Yeah.

02:05:49.240 Yeah.

02:05:50.240 Of course.

02:05:51.240 We actually, I, we actually paid for her to go to, uh, see a psychiatrist in, in, in,

02:05:55.240 in, in Iquitos cause she was, we felt really bad for her.

02:05:58.240 Yeah.

02:05:59.240 Of course.

02:06:00.240 This little girl's life was not little girl.

02:06:01.240 This adolescent girls. 0.87

02:06:02.240 It was just, it was sad.

02:06:03.240 I mean, so, um, so this is a very real tangible face to face kind of phenomenon.

02:06:10.240 This isn't people imagining things.

02:06:12.240 This is the villagers are all saying the same thing.

02:06:15.240 Yeah.

02:06:16.240 Um, one guy said, I interviewed this one guy and he said that there was a night where

02:06:23.240 the, the, the assailants were making an incursion into the village.

02:06:28.240 Yeah.

02:06:29.240 The villagers spotted them.

02:06:30.240 Remember the walking patrols, the villagers spot them and, and the men start to run after

02:06:35.240 them.

02:06:36.240 One of them, at least.

02:06:37.240 I don't remember if it was two guys or one, but they, they, they were running after this

02:06:40.240 guy.

02:06:41.240 And he said, I don't know who these people are or what they are, but he said, what I can

02:06:45.240 tell you is that they didn't move like a human being.

02:06:48.240 He said they were in humanly agile.

02:06:51.240 Huh?

02:06:52.240 And I personally think we're maybe looking at some sort of exosuit technology.

02:06:57.240 Maybe that's why they're so tall.

02:06:58.240 Um, again, a lot of the.

02:07:00.240 What do you mean an exosuit?

02:07:01.240 Like an exosuit, like there's some kind of technology built into their suit that allows

02:07:05.240 them to run fast.

02:07:06.240 Oh yeah.

02:07:07.240 Yeah.

02:07:08.240 You know, like a military exosuit of some kind.

02:07:10.240 Yeah.

02:07:11.240 Now keep in mind, half of the villages convinced these are aliens.

02:07:16.240 Okay.

02:07:17.240 Half are convinced they're aliens.

02:07:18.240 Half are convinced they're gringos.

02:07:20.240 Yeah.

02:07:21.240 And, um, and they chased this guy through the jungle and they said he just, he was fast.

02:07:26.240 He jumped into the river.

02:07:28.240 He swam across the river, jumped out of the river onto the bank and then like flew off or

02:07:34.240 he, he just alighted and disappeared and not disappeared, not vanished, but moved off.

02:07:41.240 Yeah.

02:07:42.240 Got away.

02:07:43.240 He got away.

02:07:44.240 So they came, you know, closer.

02:07:45.240 At least they made the effort to try and capture these guys.

02:07:47.240 They put up a, um, a perimeter of, of traps around their village.

02:07:52.240 They set up nine traps and these are traps that they commonly use in the jungle to, to,

02:07:58.240 um, to shoot game.

02:07:59.240 Yeah.

02:08:00.240 And they're not, they're not guns.

02:08:02.240 They're just like tubes with a hammer mechanism and a, and a, and a, and, um, a charge or something.

02:08:07.240 And a cartridge, a shotgun cartridge.

02:08:09.240 And what they did was they realized that their birdshot wasn't having any effect.

02:08:14.240 Yeah.

02:08:15.240 They would tell, they would tell me they heard it dinking off of the armor.

02:08:17.240 Yeah.

02:08:18.240 The BBs, the birdshot, 16 gauge shotgun, the cartridges, the, the, um, the BBs were just

02:08:23.240 dinking off of the armor.

02:08:24.240 And so what they started to do is open up their cartridges and, and melt the BBs into,

02:08:31.240 into, um, in basically into buckshot.

02:08:34.240 Yeah.

02:08:35.240 Right.

02:08:36.240 Right.

02:08:37.240 They, they set up these nine traps and with rope, with string triggers.

02:08:42.240 That's how they do it.

02:08:43.240 These are very dangerous.

02:08:44.240 People will get their ankles blown off all the time in the jungle with these things.

02:08:46.240 Yeah.

02:08:47.240 Yeah.

02:08:48.240 And they would hear the traps going off at night and then they would run out there and

02:08:52.240 they, and there was no sign that anybody had been hit.

02:08:55.240 Just the footprints, those circular, the two circle footprints, right?

02:08:58.240 On each foot.

02:08:59.240 Yeah.

02:09:00.240 That's all they would see, the footprints.

02:09:02.240 And it's almost as if, to me, it's as if these guys were, the, the assailants were just

02:09:06.240 lighting the traps off for fun.

02:09:08.240 Yeah.

02:09:09.240 They didn't shoot anybody and they raised them up so that they would be at the knee, 0.54

02:09:11.240 shoot the knees. 1.00

02:09:12.240 Well, tragically, one of the ladies from the village walked through the trap, um, shortly 0.76

02:09:17.240 before we arrived to the village and blew a hole in her thigh. 0.90

02:09:20.240 She survived and she kept her leg, but, but blew a hole in her thigh. 0.92

02:09:23.240 So they took the traps down before we got there.

02:09:26.240 Yeah.

02:09:27.240 That's pretty good.

02:09:28.240 So.

02:09:29.240 I mean, bad for her, but good for you that she didn't step in.

02:09:30.240 Yeah.

02:09:31.240 And it, in fact, there was a guy, we brought some anti-venom because a guy had been bit

02:09:34.240 by a venomous snake.

02:09:35.240 And so we brought anti-venom, but, um, that's just an ancillary detail.

02:09:42.240 Yeah.

02:09:43.240 Yeah.

02:09:44.240 I'd like to avoid both the home alone Quechua booby traps and the venomous snakes. 1.00

02:09:48.240 Yeah.

02:09:49.240 We, you know, it was just the, the whole experience was, uh, it was surreal.

02:09:55.240 There's no question that the villagers had experienced something extraordinary, physical.

02:10:01.240 There was no question to us that they had witnessed technology because the testimonies were consistent.

02:10:07.240 Yeah.

02:10:08.240 And.

02:10:09.240 But now there's a question, I think on most people's minds, what were the guys?

02:10:15.240 Okay.

02:10:16.240 So this wasn't the only village that was assaulted.

02:10:19.240 Huh.

02:10:20.240 Numerous villages in the area were assaulted.

02:10:22.240 And, um, and in fact there was a, there was heightened UFO activity during that time.

02:10:27.240 So there was a boy from a village who claimed that there was a saucer, flying saucer that

02:10:33.240 was pursuing him and shooting some kind of beam at him and picking him off the ground.

02:10:38.240 And then there was a group of, uh, high, there was a group of college students who were in

02:10:43.240 the jungle on some assignment and they all witnessed a being, some kind of being like non-human entity

02:10:50.240 walking in the jungle.

02:10:52.240 Um, there's all kinds of stories like this that were happening around that, that same

02:10:56.240 period of time.

02:10:57.240 Now, look, a skeptic would say, I'm not saying I am a skeptic here, but a skeptic would say,

02:11:01.240 well, you know, could this be like the Salem witch trials?

02:11:04.240 You know, where people really sent, there was a communal, uh, phenomenon or perception.

02:11:09.240 It's a communal psychosis though, where you say, I saw Lady Sally, you know, fly her broomstick

02:11:15.240 over my house last night.

02:11:16.240 No question.

02:11:17.240 There was psychosis.

02:11:18.240 No question about it.

02:11:19.240 Um, people were freaking out all over the jungle in Peru, not just in the Alto Nanay region,

02:11:24.240 all over the jungle.

02:11:25.240 Yeah.

02:11:26.240 Um, there were incursions apparently that were happening hundreds of miles away from this

02:11:32.240 area in the region of Terrapoto in that area.

02:11:35.240 And then in near the, near Pucallpa, which is further south and on the border of Brazil.

02:11:41.240 So Peru was, was gripped with this, with this, this face peeler, uh, flap that was happening.

02:11:51.240 And everybody was talking about it.

02:11:53.240 So yes, there is certainly an element of psychosis.

02:11:56.240 Yeah.

02:11:57.240 Anything that bizarre that you see, if you're a Peruvian at that time.

02:12:00.240 It was a face peeler.

02:12:01.240 It's a face peeler.

02:12:02.240 Yeah.

02:12:03.240 So here's the thing, the, the narrative, once the narrative of the jet pack miners was distributed

02:12:11.240 by the media, everybody lost interest in the story.

02:12:15.240 Everybody thought, oh, okay.

02:12:16.240 It's just those pesky jet pack miners. 0.98

02:12:18.240 Yeah.

02:12:19.240 Just trying to, just trying to drive these villagers off of their land.

02:12:23.240 Had a few of them in my backyard last week.

02:12:25.240 Yeah.

02:12:26.240 Right.

02:12:27.240 Exactly.

02:12:28.240 And in fact, News Nation, I watched an episode with News Nation.

02:12:30.240 They didn't, they didn't talk to me.

02:12:31.240 Talked to somebody else.

02:12:32.240 Okay.

02:12:33.240 And they were just sort of laughing about it.

02:12:34.240 Oh yeah.

02:12:35.240 It's just, this happens all the time.

02:12:36.240 And, and I'm like thinking, wait a minute.

02:12:38.240 You're not, you don't know any of the details here.

02:12:41.240 None.

02:12:42.240 So they just ignore the testimony of the villagers.

02:12:44.240 Yes.

02:12:45.240 And the story was definitively debunked because there were incidents that happened in the city

02:12:52.240 of Nauta.

02:12:53.240 Okay.

02:12:54.240 It's 36,000 inhabitants.

02:12:55.240 Yeah.

02:12:56.240 There's a military installation there.

02:12:57.240 The Navy's there.

02:12:58.240 The army's there.

02:12:59.240 There's helicopters.

02:13:00.240 There's a large police presence in Nauta.

02:13:02.240 It's the only city that you can drive to from Iquitos.

02:13:05.240 And you can't get to Iquitos by the way, except by boat or air.

02:13:08.240 There's no roads that go to it.

02:13:09.240 And these incursions and this phenomenon was happening there.

02:13:16.240 So if, if you're going to say that this was jetpack miners trying to drive these villagers 0.97

02:13:21.240 off their lands.

02:13:22.240 Right.

02:13:23.240 Right.

02:13:24.240 Why would they go to the city?

02:13:25.240 Why are they, that's a soft target.

02:13:26.240 Why are they attacking a hard target with helicopters and automatic weapons that doesn't

02:13:32.240 make, and nobody, nobody pointed this out except for me.

02:13:35.240 So it can't, that can't be the full explanation.

02:13:38.240 But could it be the case that it really was the jetpack miners in the small villages and

02:13:43.240 it was just psychosis in the cities?

02:13:45.240 I don't think so.

02:13:46.240 Because, um, when I, I went to the Nauta, because there was a particular video that surfaced

02:13:52.240 from Nauta that I was fascinated by this video.

02:13:55.240 And the, the video depicted, it was in this neighborhood in Nauta, it was nighttime and

02:14:01.240 the neighbors, all the neighbors are, are in a state of panic and they're all, the dogs

02:14:06.240 are barking, people are yelling.

02:14:09.240 And somebody is capturing this on a cell phone.

02:14:12.240 And in the video, there's a guy with a flashlight and he goes, there it is.

02:14:17.240 There it is.

02:14:18.240 And he flashes his flashlight into the trees above this house.

02:14:22.240 And there's, it looks like there's something in the trees.

02:14:25.240 Uh huh.

02:14:26.240 It looks like there's like, there's a creature in the trees and, and everybody's freaking

02:14:33.240 out.

02:14:34.240 And that happened in Nauta.

02:14:37.240 Okay.

02:14:38.240 Yeah.

02:14:39.240 And so I wanted to go see if I could find this location during the day to get a sense

02:14:44.240 of what, what maybe, what was he pointing at?

02:14:47.240 What are we looking at here?

02:14:48.240 So I was able to find, find this particular area and I interviewed the neighbors.

02:14:54.240 And apparently there were, there were multiple incidents that happened at this location, not

02:14:59.240 just one.

02:15:00.240 And cause I showed the neighbors this video and the, the, the neighbor who lives right

02:15:05.240 across the street said, well, I ha I haven't seen this particular thing, but there's these

02:15:10.240 other incidents that happened at the same spot.

02:15:12.240 And what she saw, she said one night her and her neighbors saw a flying saucer hovering

02:15:19.240 above the trees and, and it deployed a light down into the, like down, like as if something

02:15:25.240 was beaming down or something.

02:15:28.240 And she drew it on the ground.

02:15:29.240 She drew the shape of it and showed me what it was from her perspective.

02:15:32.240 What she saw was like a flying saucer and had perimeter of lights.

02:15:35.240 It wasn't a small one.

02:15:36.240 Like the guys were surfing.

02:15:37.240 It was a big one.

02:15:38.240 Sure.

02:15:39.240 And she said, it just hovered there for a moment.

02:15:40.240 And then it, it, it flew away.

02:15:42.240 And the other neighbors confirm that they've seen stuff like that right there in that, the

02:15:47.240 yard.

02:15:48.240 And so I filmed the, the area where this had taken place.

02:15:52.240 And it was apparent to us that what, whatever this, if there was something in the trees,

02:15:57.240 it had to be very large because in the video, it looks like, because it's nighttime and it's

02:16:02.240 cell phone footage.

02:16:03.240 It looked like it was, there was a tree directly above the house, but in reality, the tree isn't

02:16:07.240 directly above the house.

02:16:08.240 It's 50 yards behind the house.

02:16:10.240 Huh?

02:16:11.240 And so something happened there on several occasions.

02:16:15.240 And then this lady told me that during this period of time, these indigenous communities

02:16:23.240 are being attacked.

02:16:24.240 She said that they would hear gunshots ringing out on the outskirts of town in Nauta.

02:16:30.240 Yeah.

02:16:31.240 And, and there was just like in, just like in San Antonio, some of the guys who were living

02:16:36.240 in Nauta were walking, doing a patrol, protecting their own village.

02:16:40.240 Because the government wasn't doing anything.

02:16:42.240 Yeah.

02:16:43.240 They were protecting their own village.

02:16:44.240 In this case, city of Nauta, guys would be on patrol.

02:16:47.240 And she said, one of those guys was her, her neighbors, one of her neighbors.

02:16:50.240 And he came home that night and she asked him, what were those gunshots?

02:16:54.240 And you know what he saw?

02:16:56.240 He saw two guys surfing on a, a disc, a hoverboard disc, circular hoverboard, just like the villagers 0.76

02:17:05.240 of San Antonio, the Pinto Yaku, same phenomenon, covered head to foot in black body armor, 0.64

02:17:10.240 helmets, same thing, in Nauta.

02:17:12.240 Okay.

02:17:13.240 That's weird.

02:17:14.240 Bye-bye jet pack, miners with jet packs. 0.99

02:17:16.240 That's not the answer here.

02:17:18.240 Okay.

02:17:19.240 So then, then who are they?

02:17:21.240 So I'll tell you one more anecdote here.

02:17:23.240 So right before we got there, the, the media in Peru published this story.

02:17:28.240 It was, it was footage of this boy from a village called Bagasan, which is not far from Nauta.

02:17:34.240 And this is all in the general same area.

02:17:36.240 All these stories I'm telling you generally the same area of the jungle.

02:17:39.240 This was shortly before we got there.

02:17:41.240 And this boy had been opened up like a fish under his jawline.

02:17:46.240 And they, and in Peru, they put everything on TV, like the most grotesque, gruesome car accident.

02:17:52.240 They don't blur anything.

02:17:53.240 They just put it on TV.

02:17:55.240 That's what they do.

02:17:56.240 So, uh, I watched the footage of this boy who they were, they were filming him inside of the clinic.

02:18:03.240 And he was just got, came in and I mean, he looked like he had fish gills cut under his jaw.

02:18:09.240 And, and this time it wasn't like, it was, it wasn't like, uh, Talia where it was, they were just beginning to cut.

02:18:16.240 They cut and his skin was just flapping and he had blood streaming down his shirt.

02:18:21.240 And he was, um, he was semi conscious basically.

02:18:25.240 And he was, he was in shock and thank God they saved his life.

02:18:30.240 They, they, they gave him blood.

02:18:31.240 They sewed him up.

02:18:32.240 He almost died.

02:18:33.240 He was in the hospital for a long time and, but they saved his life.

02:18:36.240 And he said that he was attacked by face peelers. 0.87

02:18:39.240 Describe the same thing.

02:18:40.240 Yeah.

02:18:41.240 Okay.

02:18:42.240 This is a village called Bagazan, but he was in Nauta.

02:18:43.240 They brought him to Nauta to get treated.

02:18:44.240 And that, why did they let him go?

02:18:48.240 So that is what, what, that's where I started to formulate a theory, a hypothesis about this whole situation.

02:18:56.240 After seeing that footage, I thought to myself, and after interviewing the people in San Antonio de Pinto Yaku,

02:19:03.240 I thought if these guys are face peelers, they really, really suck at peeling faces. 0.65

02:19:08.240 Yeah.

02:19:09.240 With all this technology, with all the time they're operating in the jungle, they, they, they almost get two, one kid and one 15 year old girl.

02:19:16.240 Yeah.

02:19:17.240 You can make a hoverboard, but you can't rip someone's face off.

02:19:19.240 Exactly.

02:19:20.240 So I thought something's wrong with this picture.

02:19:23.240 And I failed to mention that they did find a young man in the river and this was filmed.

02:19:27.240 I put it on my YouTube channel and I got a age restriction on the video.

02:19:30.240 Fair enough.

02:19:31.240 It was, it was a guy that were pulling out of the river and half of his face or three quarters of his face had been surgically removed.

02:19:38.240 And it's, I mean, it looks like, you know, this half of his face is just bleached bone and it's surgically.

02:19:44.240 It's like, if you look at this video and you can probably still find it online.

02:19:47.240 Yeah.

02:19:48.240 Cause you could say it'd be a, like a piranha.

02:19:50.240 No, it was not, it was not predators because it was surgical the way that this skin had been removed.

02:19:57.240 And I've seen, I've seen piranhas, the, the devastation that, that piranhas inflict on an animal, a dead animal in the water or a live animal.

02:20:05.240 Yeah.

02:20:06.240 They, their, their teeth marks.

02:20:08.240 Well, they bite the bone up. 0.88

02:20:09.240 They, they masticate the bone.

02:20:11.240 Like it's all right.

02:20:12.240 It's not clean.

02:20:13.240 Yeah.

02:20:14.240 It's not clean.

02:20:15.240 So this was clean.

02:20:16.240 Somebody had surgically removed this guy's face.

02:20:19.240 Okay.

02:20:20.240 So it, they got one.

02:20:22.240 Yeah.

02:20:23.240 They got one apparently, but it didn't make any sense to me.

02:20:26.240 So I, my hypothesis is that somebody was operating in a Peruvian Amazon with advanced technology, aerospace technology and otherwise.

02:20:38.240 And they were using the legend of the face peelers as cover for something else. 0.63

02:20:44.240 So I think they were purposely instilling fear in the indigenous communities and not just in the indigenous communities in the region in general as cover for some other operation that was happening. 0.50

02:20:56.240 So that people would automatically default to the face peeler legend.

02:21:00.240 Right.

02:21:01.240 And it would be written off by the public and it would be written off by the authorities.

02:21:04.240 Cause there's, it's not as though there were dozens of people showing up with surgically removed faces.

02:21:08.240 No, no.

02:21:09.240 And, and they were, it was a campaign of terror more than anything.

02:21:15.240 It seems to me, like I told you in the village, they would be pulling on the boards of the house, pounding on the walls.

02:21:20.240 Right.

02:21:21.240 So it's like they, they're terrorizing the people purposely.

02:21:24.240 They want them to think that they're the face people.

02:21:27.240 That's why the cartel hypothesis carries some weight is it would, they, they also, the cartels, if they were involved, would have been terrorizing.

02:21:34.240 Yes, certainly.

02:21:35.240 That's why we thought it was cartels in the beginning.

02:21:37.240 Right.

02:21:38.240 Until you have the aerospace vehicles and until you have Nauta in the picture.

02:21:42.240 Right.

02:21:43.240 Nauta is a hard target.

02:21:44.240 So then, okay.

02:21:45.240 So that, this all tracks that it's a terror campaign.

02:21:48.240 They're, they're not just accidentally the worst face peelers ever. 1.00

02:21:52.240 So, so then what are they covering up?

02:21:54.240 It gets more conspiratorial because there was some overlap in early July when this, when this, when these incidents started to occur in the jungle.

02:22:03.240 And a military operation being, being run by the United States government in Peru called Resolute Sentinel.

02:22:12.240 And it involved, this operation involved, it was a training, it was a training exercise.

02:22:16.240 Yeah.

02:22:17.240 And it involved, um, the Marines, the Air Force, the Army, the Coast Guard, American Coast Guard, Space Force, and some other American assets.

02:22:27.240 In conjunction with the Peruvian counterparts and those of Brazil.

02:22:32.240 And I believe, uh, Uruguay was involved.

02:22:35.240 Hmm.

02:22:36.240 And I'm pretty sure, um, there's a handful of nations involved.

02:22:40.240 The neighboring nations were involved, except for Bolivia.

02:22:43.240 I think Ecuador was involved.

02:22:44.240 Great Britain was involved.

02:22:45.240 The United Kingdom was involved in this operation.

02:22:47.240 Hmm.

02:22:48.240 They deployed serious assets to Peru.

02:22:50.240 Like they had, um, Air Force assets on the ground.

02:22:54.240 They had Navy assets in the waters.

02:22:57.240 The Peruvian military was running battleships and, you know, different kinds of Navy assets up the Amazon.

02:23:04.240 And, and as well as the United Kingdom.

02:23:07.240 And it, it, it corresponded, there's overlap with the, with the face peeler phenomenon.

02:23:14.240 Now, that could be completely coincidental, of course.

02:23:18.240 Yeah.

02:23:19.240 This wasn't the first Resolute Sentinel operation that had happened in Peru.

02:23:22.240 This was the...

02:23:23.240 Is it just a training operation?

02:23:24.240 It was a training operation.

02:23:26.240 But my crazy conspiracy theory, which I'm not, I believe me, I'm not sold on.

02:23:31.240 Hold on.

02:23:32.240 Don't bring up any crazy conspiracy theories.

02:23:33.240 Okay.

02:23:34.240 Yeah.

02:23:35.240 Hold on.

02:23:36.240 So, um, but my, and I'm not sure I'd subscribe to this.

02:23:40.240 Yeah.

02:23:41.240 It's just the, the, the, the crazy conspiracy theory that I like to entertain.

02:23:44.240 Yeah.

02:23:45.240 It, what if there was like a predator situation happening, like the movie Predator.

02:23:49.240 Yeah, yeah.

02:23:50.240 When there was, there was a real threat, a real phenomenon happening in the jungle.

02:23:55.240 And that there was a response to this, like we deployed assets.

02:23:59.240 Yeah, yeah.

02:24:00.240 To confront this phenomenon, this, this threat.

02:24:03.240 But in, but in order to cover this real operation, we use the training exercise.

02:24:08.240 So that way you have a reason, you have an excuse to have all of these assets deployed

02:24:12.240 in Peru.

02:24:13.240 Right.

02:24:14.240 I mean, I think this is quite common, honestly.

02:24:15.240 Yeah, yeah.

02:24:16.240 I think this is quite common.

02:24:17.240 So I'm not, hold on.

02:24:18.240 You're, of all the things we've talked about that you say, hold on.

02:24:20.240 Now I'm going to really get nuts here.

02:24:22.240 What if the military sometimes had cover stories for their operation?

02:24:27.240 Well, that's not the crazy part.

02:24:28.240 The crazy part is what if there was either a human rogue group.

02:24:34.240 Yeah.

02:24:35.240 Who knows who these guys would be?

02:24:37.240 Some kind of syndicate, maybe an international syndicate of cartel level operation, but actually

02:24:42.240 much higher than cartel.

02:24:43.240 This would be, this would be like a breakaway civilization type component here.

02:24:50.240 People who are in possession of advanced technology clearly, who are doing something nefarious

02:24:55.240 out there and we were responding.

02:24:58.240 Or maybe we could even play with the idea, entertain the idea at least that perhaps there's

02:25:03.240 a non-human component.

02:25:04.240 Well, hold on, hold on.

02:25:05.240 That's why I said the predators scenario.

02:25:07.240 Okay.

02:25:08.240 But hold on.

02:25:09.240 I thought the face peelers, the ones who are intentionally very bad at peeling faces, 1.00

02:25:14.240 who have all this crazy technology, I thought in this version of it, that's us.

02:25:18.240 I mean, you know, that's a possibility.

02:25:20.240 That's also a possibility.

02:25:21.240 I don't like that one.

02:25:23.240 I just don't like it.

02:25:24.240 The thought that we would be deploying assets in the jungle and doing this to the people

02:25:29.240 who live there, that's not something, that's not a thought.

02:25:32.240 But if it's not us just trying to make a cover for something else, then why would we

02:25:37.240 they bungling the face peeling? 0.87

02:25:38.240 Because they themselves were covering this international, you know, specter or alien

02:25:44.240 specter, covering some other thing they were doing?

02:25:46.240 The answer is I don't know, but apparently they were using the face, whoever this was,

02:25:53.240 they were using the face peeler phenomenon as cover because they knew their activities 0.99

02:25:58.240 were going to be noticed.

02:26:00.240 And in order to hide the real purpose and mission, you're hiding behind a legend.

02:26:08.240 So that way it would be written off.

02:26:09.240 And what happened?

02:26:10.240 It was written off.

02:26:11.240 Yes.

02:26:12.240 Yeah, yeah.

02:26:13.240 So it succeeded.

02:26:14.240 It succeeded.

02:26:15.240 Everyone thought it was river miners with jetpacks.

02:26:17.240 Right, right.

02:26:18.240 Attacking these poor indigenous communities. 1.00

02:26:20.240 Yeah.

02:26:21.240 It succeeded.

02:26:22.240 The operation was successful in that capacity for sure.

02:26:26.240 But...

02:26:27.240 Well, that stuff happens.

02:26:28.240 I'm not saying jetpacks and face peeling necessarily always happens.

02:26:31.240 But it is true that people cover their tracks and there are false flags.

02:26:36.240 And that stuff does happen, you know, throughout all of history.

02:26:39.240 But then we still have no idea what they were actually up to or who they were.

02:26:42.240 We have no idea.

02:26:43.240 I have no idea.

02:26:44.240 I don't know who they were.

02:26:45.240 I don't know what they were up to.

02:26:47.240 But you just said it could be a breakaway civilization or aliens.

02:26:50.240 And you said that it's like a throwaway.

02:26:52.240 You said, I don't know, it might be breakaway.

02:26:53.240 Well, I mean, these are hypothetical scenarios that I don't...

02:26:56.240 I'm not necessarily 100% persuaded by anything.

02:26:59.240 I don't know.

02:27:00.240 All I know is that it was real.

02:27:02.240 Something was happening.

02:27:03.240 And let me tell you one more story.

02:27:04.240 Yeah.

02:27:05.240 So I come home.

02:27:06.240 I publish my face peeler video on my YouTube channel.

02:27:09.240 And which is an expedition report of what I had learned.

02:27:14.240 And shortly thereafter, there was this account on X.

02:27:17.240 And I think it was called Peru Alien Attacks or something like that.

02:27:21.240 They contacted me.

02:27:23.240 And they gave me the contact information for this gentleman named Pablo.

02:27:27.240 Okay.

02:27:28.240 Who lived in the vicinity of the city of Yurimaguas, which is kind of...

02:27:33.240 It's southwest of the Alto Nanay region.

02:27:39.240 Okay.

02:27:40.240 And it's an area of the jungle, another area of the jungle that I'm very familiar with,

02:27:44.240 Yurimaguas.

02:27:45.240 I've been a lot of...

02:27:47.240 I've been there quite a few times.

02:27:49.240 But this was a homestead outside of Yurimaguas in the jungle.

02:27:52.240 So this isn't a community.

02:27:53.240 It's a community, but it's not a village.

02:27:55.240 It's a homestead.

02:27:56.240 So there's a few families living there.

02:27:58.240 And I called Pablo because he had a...

02:28:01.240 I was told he had an interesting story to tell.

02:28:04.240 So I talked to Pablo on the phone and Pablo told me that one day he was bathing in the river.

02:28:13.240 Yeah.

02:28:14.240 And just as the sun was going down.

02:28:17.240 And suddenly he hears some of the other people in the homestead yelling,

02:28:22.240 the face peelers, the face peelers.

02:28:24.240 Yeah.

02:28:25.240 He comes running out of the river.

02:28:27.240 He runs into his hut.

02:28:28.240 He grabs his shotgun and his flashlight because it's getting dark.

02:28:31.240 Yeah.

02:28:32.240 And he starts running around the homestead.

02:28:34.240 And he said he saw two guys, same exact situation, dressed in the armored bodysuits.

02:28:42.240 And they weren't on the hoverboards.

02:28:44.240 They were just creeping toward the, on the edge of the jungle, creeping toward the homestead.

02:28:49.240 Yeah.

02:28:50.240 He saw them.

02:28:51.240 He yelled at them and he discharged his firearm.

02:28:55.240 And then he started to pursue them because they took off running into the jungle.

02:29:00.240 He's pursuing them through the jungle.

02:29:03.240 He gets close enough to, to them, um, to get off another shot.

02:29:07.240 And this time he hits one of them.

02:29:09.240 And he said, he heard like the, again, the, they're always using a, they're always using birdshot in the jungle.

02:29:14.240 He heard the BBs dink off of some body armor, right?

02:29:17.240 One of the guys took off into the sky.

02:29:20.240 The other guy was trying to take off, but he couldn't because apparently Pablo had damaged the technology.

02:29:26.240 Yeah. Yeah.

02:29:27.240 So the guy is trying to lift off and he can't lift off.

02:29:29.240 So Pablo runs at him and tackles him.

02:29:33.240 He tackles the guy, but he, the guy doesn't go down.

02:29:36.240 Instead, the guy is lifting off the ground with Pablo holding on to him, but not, not getting very high, trying to get away.

02:29:42.240 And he pulls out the, the assailant pulls out a, what Pablo says looked like a laser.

02:29:47.240 It looked like a, like, um, like one of those hand lasers.

02:29:50.240 Yeah. Yeah.

02:29:51.240 Pulled out like this laser and, and shot Pablo with it.

02:29:55.240 And Pablo said, he hit me with the laser and I went unconscious.

02:29:58.240 He said, I, and he said, I woke up my dad and his father and his brother found him and they were waking him up.

02:30:03.240 And he comes to laying on the ground in the jungle.

02:30:06.240 And he said, he said, I, whatever they hit me with damaged my heart.

02:30:11.240 He had a heart.

02:30:12.240 He was having heart trouble.

02:30:13.240 He went in to see the doctor and it, it messed up like the timing of his heart.

02:30:16.240 I think he had to get a pacemaker installed.

02:30:18.240 Whoa.

02:30:19.240 And he believes for sure.

02:30:21.240 These are people.

02:30:22.240 These are human beings.

02:30:23.240 Yeah. Yeah.

02:30:24.240 It was a very human visceral experience for him.

02:30:26.240 Yeah.

02:30:27.240 And he was hands on these guys.

02:30:29.240 So, so that's why.

02:30:32.240 That's crazy.

02:30:33.240 That's why I'm very persuaded that we're looking at like some kind of a black ops situation. 0.90

02:30:38.240 I'm not saying it's military.

02:30:39.240 I'm saying it could be as some sort of a international syndicate.

02:30:42.240 And the last thing I'll say about this, an international syndicate with advanced aerospace technology,

02:30:47.240 that's doing really nefarious things with it.

02:30:50.240 And the last thing I'll say about this is your, some of your audience members are probably familiar with the story.

02:30:57.240 And the guy's name is escaping me right now.

02:30:59.240 I'm sure I'll remember it in a couple of minutes.

02:31:02.240 Dr. Steven Greer, who's a famed ufologist, prominent ufologist, brought forth the testimony of Michael Herrera some years ago.

02:31:12.240 And Michael Herrera, I'm probably going to box some of the details here, but Michael Herrera was, I think he was a Marine.

02:31:20.240 Hopefully I'm getting that right.

02:31:21.240 And he was deployed to Indonesia in the wake of, I can't remember if it was a hurricane or earthquake.

02:31:28.240 It was a national huge national disaster that rocked the country.

02:31:31.240 And they were deployed there for humanitarian purposes to try and help and find people who were missing and so forth.

02:31:37.240 And so he was there with his team.

02:31:41.240 And in the course of them running this operation out there, they encountered a saucer, a massive saucer hovering in a clearing in the jungle.

02:31:53.240 And it was, it was like a flying saucer, but it was hovering there and it was, it was enormous.

02:31:59.240 It was like the size of a football field.

02:32:01.240 And again, I'm probably going to botch the details.

02:32:03.240 People can go look up Michael Herrera's story online.

02:32:06.240 Um, I believe he was on Sean Ryan and some other shows telling the story and he and his team, they approached this stationary saucer.

02:32:16.240 It's just hovering there.

02:32:17.240 And when they got in proximity to it, a group of paramilitary guys came out of the jungle and, and put their guns on them.

02:32:25.240 And he said, these guys, I remember this to you.

02:32:27.240 He said this detail, these guys, he said were much better armed than they were as Marines.

02:32:32.240 And it was a very confrontational, scary situation for these guys.

02:32:38.240 And I don't remember the details, but the guys threatened them.

02:32:41.240 And, and ultimately they let the team go, but he saw that they were loading something onto the saucer crates.

02:32:48.240 And he saw like oxygen tanks connected to these large, like crates.

02:32:53.240 And through some information he gleaned later, he now believes that, that those crates, that what was in those crates,

02:33:01.240 that what was in those crates were human beings, that somebody was in Indonesia harvesting, taking advantage of the natural disaster. 0.53

02:33:09.240 Cause you know, a lot of people go missing.

02:33:10.240 Yeah. Yeah. Right.

02:33:11.240 You can't find them. Right.

02:33:12.240 Taking advantage of that environment to go and kidnap Indonesians. 1.00

02:33:18.240 And they were loading them onto the saucer.

02:33:21.240 And when, so I had, he came out with that a couple of years prior to me going into San Antonio de Pinto Yaku.

02:33:30.240 And ultimately I believe Herrera's story.

02:33:34.240 Ultimately I get the sense that these two things are somehow connected.

02:33:39.240 That somebody out there, some crime syndicate, some international, you know, group.

02:33:46.240 That's why I call them breakaway.

02:33:47.240 That's why I call them a breakaway civilization.

02:33:49.240 Because they're in possession of technology that, that the rest of us don't have.

02:33:54.240 It's incredibly advanced technology that they're apparently using for the most nefarious things imaginable.

02:34:01.240 At a basic level, it's human trafficking. 0.78

02:34:04.240 But, but I think the-

02:34:06.240 Organ harvesting, human trafficking, who knows what they're doing. 0.54

02:34:09.240 But, but it's obviously nefarious.

02:34:12.240 So, maybe these guys in the Peruvian Amazon were doing the same thing.

02:34:19.240 Using the face peeler as phenomenon, this cover as I've said.

02:34:22.240 So, peeling some faces.

02:34:25.240 Yeah.

02:34:26.240 Making the villagers think that this is an alien phenomenon or something.

02:34:30.240 When in reality they're out there running some kind of an op that maybe had to do with human trafficking.

02:34:35.240 Or who knows what.

02:34:37.240 But all I can tell you is that it was real and that it was nefarious.

02:34:40.240 Villagers were freaked out.

02:34:42.240 Everybody I talked to in the city of Iquitos, rather large city in the jungle there, believed that this was happening.

02:34:49.240 None of them thought, oh, that's just people making it up.

02:34:51.240 No, no, no.

02:34:52.240 They were deathly serious about this phenomenon out there.

02:34:55.240 You know what's weird?

02:34:57.240 Well, all of that.

02:34:58.240 But the thing that's really weird about that last story is of everything we've ever talked about in our, like, eight hours of interviews.

02:35:08.240 That's kind of the most normal one.

02:35:11.240 A crime syndicate terrorizes people and, like, tries to do bad things to them.

02:35:16.240 That's, like, the most normal.

02:35:17.240 I thought the face peelers was going to be the wackiest one of all. 1.00

02:35:21.240 Weirdly, that's the most down to earth.

02:35:24.240 Yeah.

02:35:25.240 And then up from the earth, I guess.

02:35:27.240 Yeah.

02:35:28.240 Frighteningly so.

02:35:29.240 There's something very tangible, very visceral about that.

02:35:32.240 And I do believe that there is some kind of a breakaway civilization.

02:35:37.240 I hope that's the case, because I don't want to contemplate a scenario in which the United States government or some other government is deploying things.

02:35:43.240 Now, we have to understand that, and we're not going to, you know.

02:35:46.240 It could be.

02:35:47.240 You know what it could be? 0.99

02:35:49.240 Those Somalis are pretty good at fraud. 1.00

02:35:51.240 Have you considered the Somali hypothesis? 0.98

02:35:54.240 I think you cracked the case.

02:35:55.240 They're criminal. 0.98

02:35:56.240 They're pirates. 1.00

02:35:57.240 They...

02:35:58.240 We've got to go back down, you and I, to see if there's a layering center in Iquitos.

02:36:03.240 That's at the center of this entire thing.

02:36:05.240 I've cracked the case.

02:36:06.240 We've done it.

02:36:07.240 No, but one last thing I'll say is I do get the sense that, as I said, there's some kind of a syndicate out there.

02:36:17.240 And the reason why I find that idea to be compelling is because I know, I know that aerospace contractors here in the United States are in possession of non-human technology from the crash retrieval program.

02:36:32.240 I am 100% persuaded that this is true.

02:36:35.240 Different conversation for a different day.

02:36:38.240 But, so I know that at the very least, American aerospace contractors have some of these technological toys.

02:36:45.240 They have developed some technology that is far in advance to anything we have in the public sector, certainly.

02:36:53.240 And it is derived from crash retrieval material.

02:36:57.240 Non-human crash retrieval material that they've, to some extent, been able to reverse engineer.

02:37:03.240 So, this could...

02:37:04.240 Or is that the good cover story?

02:37:06.240 I've been...

02:37:07.240 Well, I've been interacting with a lot of people behind the scenes.

02:37:10.240 People inside a government, investigative groups associated with the government.

02:37:16.240 And there's no question about this behind the scenes.

02:37:19.240 Hmm.

02:37:20.240 That this is a reality.

02:37:21.240 That the American aerospace contractors are in possession of this kind of technology.

02:37:25.240 In fact, this was the public testimony of Lou Elizondo under oath.

02:37:30.240 Yeah, yeah.

02:37:31.240 That Congress, in one of those congressional hearings, as well as David Grush and others.

02:37:37.240 I just assume anything I hear in Congress is a total nonsense.

02:37:41.240 I assume anything anyone ever says at the Capitol.

02:37:43.240 Well, I think that's a good...

02:37:44.240 I think that's a good baseline assumption.

02:37:47.240 I do.

02:37:48.240 You occasionally truth sneak down though.

02:37:49.240 I do.

02:37:50.240 The problem is I've seen too much behind the scenes and interacted with too many people.

02:37:53.240 And these people, they're deadly serious about this situation.

02:37:56.240 And what I've heard behind the scenes is that some of these contractors...

02:37:59.240 So you have aerospace contractors who contract with the United States government.

02:38:04.240 Because remember the FOIA Act, I think that was passed in the 90s.

02:38:07.240 Yeah.

02:38:08.240 And what that did was it allowed the American people to make inquiries into these operations,

02:38:13.240 these classified operations.

02:38:15.240 And the government has to respond by law.

02:38:18.240 Yeah.

02:38:19.240 And what they did was they moved to some of these, what they call the legacy program,

02:38:24.240 these legacy programs out of the government purview and into private aerospace contractors

02:38:31.240 because you can't FOIA those.

02:38:32.240 Yeah.

02:38:33.240 Yeah.

02:38:34.240 So that's a very dangerous situation because you can lose control of the situation really,

02:38:38.240 really quickly when you do that.

02:38:40.240 And you're playing the shell game and you don't really know now what...

02:38:43.240 Who has what.

02:38:44.240 Who has what.

02:38:45.240 Yeah, right.

02:38:46.240 What they're doing with it because these aerospace contractors, they also contract.

02:38:50.240 They subcontract to other groups to do other things like crash recovery, for example.

02:38:55.240 And other things, maybe testing some of this technology.

02:38:58.240 So I'm not implicating American aerospace companies.

02:39:02.240 I'm not saying they're the face peelers, but I'm saying what if some of this technology

02:39:06.240 got into the wrong hands and there is now this syndicate that's using it, again,

02:39:10.240 for extremely nefarious purposes.

02:39:12.240 If that's not true, somebody needs to make a Netflix TV show about it.

02:39:16.240 Where are you going next and what are we gonna talk about next time?

02:39:19.240 Well, I'm always...

02:39:21.240 You're always going somewhere.

02:39:22.240 I'm always going somewhere.

02:39:23.240 I'm usually going back to Peru.

02:39:25.240 I'll be back in Peru.

02:39:26.240 I'm looking for a lost city in the jungle.

02:39:28.240 And that's a whole nother story.

02:39:30.240 And there's some other things going on.

02:39:33.240 We're involved in...

02:39:36.240 I'm involved in trying to get a project approved in the city of Iquitos, trying to open up what's

02:39:44.240 this tunnel, this legendary tunnel called the Shinkana.

02:39:48.240 And some people are familiar with that because...

02:39:50.240 I've been talking about this extensively, but also because there's a Peruvian archeologist

02:39:58.240 who has preempted our project and stolen some of our data and is looking for the Shinkana 0.99

02:40:05.240 as we speak in Peru and trying to get my partner thrown in prison should he go back to Peru.

02:40:13.240 So that's something that's been unfolding as well.

02:40:16.240 Again, that's another story for another day, but that's ongoing in Peru as well.

02:40:22.240 If you're not in a Peruvian prison, and as long as you still have your face on your head, 0.92

02:40:27.240 I will look forward to hearing about the lost city and the tunnel next time.

02:40:30.240 I can assure you that those are my two primary goals.

02:40:34.240 Mr. Timothy Albarino, thank you for being here.

02:40:36.240 Thank you, sir.

02:40:37.240 Always a pleasure.

02:40:39.240 Great darkness is falling upon this land.

02:40:41.240 These brothers are our only hope to stand against it.

02:40:45.240 Not our only hope.

02:40:46.240 We need you, Merlin.

02:40:47.240 Merlin.

02:40:48.240 Merlin.

02:40:49.240 Merlin was a myth before our father was even born.

02:40:51.240 Merlin slew 70 men with his own hands.

02:40:58.240 No man escaped more of such a thing.

02:41:01.240 Immortal man.

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The Michael Knowles Show - February 08, 2026

Kandahar Giant, Government Coverup, & The Occult： Michael & The Rogue Archeologist ｜ Tim Alberino

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