The Michael Knowles Show - Lesbians & Dad Bods： Real Answer and Real Drinks ｜ YES or NO with Andrew Klavan

00:00:00.000 Michelle Obama has more balls than Lance Armstrong.

00:00:07.000 What did Lance Armstrong do to deserve that?

00:00:11.000 Obviously.

00:00:13.000 There's no question.

00:00:30.000 Long before the Daily Wire ever existed, I was drinking with Andrew Klavan.

00:00:39.000 And now we've come full circle.

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00:01:28.000 Drew.

00:01:29.000 Hey.

00:01:30.000 Cheers to your health.

00:01:31.000 Thank you very much.

00:01:32.000 This is very familiar.

00:01:33.000 I should warn you when I drink in the middle of the day.

00:01:35.000 I do vomit copiously.

00:01:37.000 Good.

00:01:38.000 Well, then you've got to make sure that you get the questions right.

00:01:42.000 Okay.

00:01:43.000 Or wrong.

00:01:44.000 Because the rules are, if you get the question right, you get to drink.

00:01:49.000 And if you get the question wrong, you have to.

00:01:52.000 I see.

00:01:53.000 There's a high stakes game.

00:01:54.000 The high stakes game.

00:01:55.000 Right.

00:01:56.000 You will move my glass to whichever answer you think I would give.

00:02:00.000 Okay.

00:02:01.000 And vice versa.

00:02:02.000 And by the way, we might want to let the audience in on something here.

00:02:06.000 We know each other very well.

00:02:08.000 Yeah.

00:02:09.000 We've been in each other's heads many times.

00:02:11.000 I started my career here.

00:02:13.000 Yes.

00:02:14.000 Writing.

00:02:15.000 That's right.

00:02:16.000 As you on social media.

00:02:17.000 I'm doing it so well.

00:02:18.000 And I'm not joking.

00:02:19.000 I used to look at your tweets.

00:02:20.000 It was on Twitter.

00:02:21.000 To find out what I sounded like.

00:02:23.000 I would say, like, I've forgotten who I am now.

00:02:26.000 Well, thank you very much.

00:02:28.000 I mean, just to prove it to them.

00:02:29.000 Yeah.

00:02:30.000 You and I are so close.

00:02:31.000 We can almost finish each other's sandwiches.

00:02:34.000 All right.

00:02:36.000 Okay.

00:02:37.000 I'm going to begin.

00:02:38.000 Then you'll go and we'll go back and forth until we're lying on the floor.

00:02:42.000 I got it.

00:02:43.000 I'm already lying on the floor.

00:02:44.000 Michael Knowles peaked when he was the cultural correspondent on The Andrew Klavan Show.

00:02:49.000 That's the question?

00:02:50.000 That's the prompt.

00:02:51.000 And I'm supposed to say your...

00:02:53.000 My answer.

00:02:54.000 Your answer.

00:02:55.000 Yeah.

00:02:56.000 You peaked when you were...

00:02:57.000 I mean, okay.

00:02:58.000 So I just have to say what you would say.

00:02:59.000 Yes.

00:03:03.000 Good point.

00:03:04.000 I peaked when I became an international cigar salesman.

00:03:07.000 That was the beat.

00:03:09.000 I knew that was your big moment.

00:03:11.000 But you certainly got that absolutely right.

00:03:13.000 I thought that was the only thing you've ever done that entertained me in any way, shape,

00:03:17.000 or informed me in any way.

00:03:18.000 In any way.

00:03:19.000 And I was thinking the other day of how that all began.

00:03:22.000 Yeah.

00:03:23.000 How you gave me my break.

00:03:24.000 I did.

00:03:25.000 In all of political media.

00:03:26.000 I know.

00:03:27.000 I've never forgiven myself.

00:03:28.000 The way you did it was because I had seen a movie that weekend called Sausage Party about a cartoon hot dog.

00:03:36.000 Yeah.

00:03:37.000 And you asked me to come on the show to talk about aforementioned cartoon hot dog.

00:03:43.000 You were actually good.

00:03:45.000 I actually put you on the show because you were good.

00:03:47.000 You actually were an entertaining thing.

00:03:48.000 What happened to you?

00:03:49.000 I don't...

00:03:50.000 You know, I peaked.

00:03:51.000 I peaked.

00:03:52.000 That's what happened.

00:03:53.000 You're up.

00:03:54.000 No, I...

00:03:55.000 Still drinking.

00:03:56.000 Wait a minute.

00:03:57.000 Still drinking.

00:03:58.000 I know.

00:03:59.000 I don't want to interrupt that.

00:04:01.000 Michelle Obama has more balls than Lance Armstrong.

00:04:08.000 What did Lance Armstrong do to deserve that?

00:04:11.000 Yeah.

00:04:12.000 Well, he got sick.

00:04:13.000 He did get sick.

00:04:14.000 Yeah.

00:04:15.000 It's too soon to make a joke.

00:04:17.000 He survived.

00:04:18.000 I know.

00:04:19.000 That's cruel.

00:04:20.000 Obvious.

00:04:21.000 Obvious.

00:04:22.000 There's no question.

00:04:23.000 I don't know.

00:04:24.000 What?

00:04:25.000 I'm not...

00:04:26.000 If it had been some kind of conspiracy theory.

00:04:27.000 Yeah.

00:04:28.000 No, exactly.

00:04:29.000 I'm not saying Michelle Obama is a guy.

00:04:34.000 You're only mouthing it.

00:04:36.000 I'm mouthing it.

00:04:37.000 That's right.

00:04:38.000 It's less...

00:04:39.000 The only way to save the country is to get married and bang your wife, but only in that 1.00

00:04:43.000 order.

00:04:44.000 Who writes this?

00:04:45.000 I...

00:04:46.000 What?

00:04:47.000 Oh, you did.

00:04:48.000 Oh, okay.

00:04:49.000 Yeah.

00:04:50.000 I want you to know, I want you to know, I did a book thing for my book, The House of

00:04:52.000 Love and Death, which you should all be...

00:04:54.000 I did a thing at the mysterious bookshop, and it was packed.

00:04:57.000 And people kept coming up to me, guys kept coming up to me with their pregnant wife 1.00

00:05:01.000 and saying, see?

00:05:02.000 I did it.

00:05:03.000 I'm saving it.

00:05:05.000 I thought...

00:05:06.000 I didn't give that specific instructions.

00:05:07.000 I thought, I'm glad you figured out how to do it.

00:05:09.000 And in that order.

00:05:10.000 Okay.

00:05:11.000 So, I've got to guess how you...

00:05:12.000 Well, I know how you would answer.

00:05:13.000 I got it wrong.

00:05:16.000 You got it wrong.

00:05:17.000 And do you know, only because of the...

00:05:18.000 You're generally right, but there's one exception, which is religious vocation.

00:05:24.000 We also need monks and nuns, and I want to get a point on the board.

00:05:28.000 That's the other thing.

00:05:29.000 I want to finally score a point.

00:05:30.000 That one goes to me.

00:05:31.000 I want to be very clear on a religious technicality.

00:05:35.000 I was going to say, outside the Vatican, you know.

00:05:37.000 Yeah.

00:05:38.000 Well, what we're going to end up having to do...

00:05:40.000 I mean, not us, because of the wives and the kids and everything. 0.61

00:05:42.000 Yeah.

00:05:43.000 But it's going to be like Benedict running off to the hills.

00:05:47.000 You know, the hinterlands, when all of the institutions are flooded with madness.

00:05:51.000 Oh, yeah.

00:05:52.000 And then, you know, things will recover.

00:05:55.000 But...

00:05:56.000 Or it'll be the end of days.

00:05:57.000 Is the church, like, falling apart?

00:05:58.000 Is that me?

00:05:59.000 I just keep...

00:06:00.000 The bad news is...

00:06:02.000 Yeah.

00:06:03.000 The church is falling apart.

00:06:04.000 Okay.

00:06:05.000 It's a complete disaster.

00:06:06.000 It's being...

00:06:07.000 And the Pope is the antichrist.

00:06:08.000 It is...

00:06:09.000 Listen, you've said it.

00:06:10.000 I didn't...

00:06:11.000 I just thought that was obvious.

00:06:12.000 But the good news...

00:06:13.000 Yeah.

00:06:14.000 That's always the case.

00:06:15.000 Isn't it?

00:06:16.000 You know, hasn't it been the case?

00:06:17.000 To quote Hilaire Belloc, I have to take it as a matter of faith that the church is divinely

00:06:21.000 instituted.

00:06:22.000 One proof for the non-believer is that no other institution conducted with such knavish 1.00

00:06:27.000 imbecility would have lasted a fortnight.

00:06:29.000 What about the American government?

00:06:32.000 Well, that made it 200 years.

00:06:34.000 We'll see.

00:06:35.000 Maybe it gets to 201.

00:06:37.000 Okay.

00:06:38.000 It's my turn, right?

00:06:39.000 No, it's your turn.

00:06:40.000 Yeah.

00:06:41.000 All right.

00:06:42.000 See, he peaked.

00:06:43.000 Cameron Winter...

00:06:44.000 The thing...

00:06:45.000 Could be played by a black guy, and it wouldn't change the character or story.

00:06:49.000 But Andrew made him a cis-white guy for some reason.

00:06:53.000 Just to say what you would say.

00:06:55.000 Yes.

00:06:57.000 Okay.

00:06:58.000 Damn, you're right.

00:07:06.000 Correct.

00:07:07.000 Yeah.

00:07:08.000 Of course.

00:07:09.000 Kirk Cameron's a white guy.

00:07:10.000 I know.

00:07:11.000 What was the question?

00:07:12.000 Cameron Winter.

00:07:13.000 Oh, yeah.

00:07:14.000 The character in the House of Love and that Mike book that you're supposed to be by.

00:07:17.000 It's right.

00:07:18.000 Yeah, you can't...

00:07:19.000 No, he...

00:07:20.000 He would be a Latina woman if you were to make the Disney movie. 1.00

00:07:22.000 You know, a producer called me up just two days ago and asked me if the movie rights were...

00:07:29.000 And I was talking to him.

00:07:31.000 I didn't want to just say to him, like, you know, I'm not signing anything until he's white. 0.82

00:07:37.000 I just want to be perfectly clear here.

00:07:40.000 I didn't want to put him off that quickly.

00:07:43.000 Yeah.

00:07:45.000 So he called you, which means that when he hung up the phone, is that when he decided to Google you?

00:07:49.000 That's what I was thinking.

00:07:51.000 You know what I said to him?

00:07:52.000 He said, where are you living?

00:07:53.000 I told him where I was living.

00:07:54.000 He said, why?

00:07:55.000 I said, I work at The Daily Wire.

00:07:57.000 And he just got this kind of little embarrassed kind of pout on his face.

00:08:02.000 Yeah.

00:08:03.000 Who knows?

00:08:04.000 Well, it's nice to receive exactly one phone call about the movie rights to your book.

00:08:08.000 Absolutely true.

00:08:09.000 Absolutely true.

00:08:10.000 My agent, who was a far left guy, no longer my agent, but he read this book.

00:08:15.000 He loved this book.

00:08:16.000 Yeah.

00:08:17.000 And he said, I'm going to sell this book.

00:08:18.000 I said, you never sell it.

00:08:19.000 I've been blacklisted.

00:08:20.000 I came back months later.

00:08:21.000 I've shown this book to over a hundred people.

00:08:23.000 We didn't even get a nibble.

00:08:24.000 And it's so good.

00:08:25.000 And I said, because I'm blacklisted.

00:08:27.000 No, they would never blacklisted.

00:08:29.000 No, you're listed of color.

00:08:32.000 Yeah, that's right.

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00:09:52.000 Being Anglican is like playing air guitar. 0.95

00:09:55.000 You have an idea what you're imitating, but it's not the real thing.

00:09:59.000 It's easy.

00:10:04.000 It's easy for me.

00:10:06.000 Do you go first when you read it?

00:10:08.000 Is that right?

00:10:09.000 No, we can do it.

00:10:10.000 Let's do it simultaneously.

00:10:13.000 I'm going to say yes.

00:10:19.000 No.

00:10:20.000 Okay.

00:10:21.000 All right, look.

00:10:22.000 I didn't know if there was some deep esoteric, you were going to convert Swim the Tiber on this show.

00:10:27.000 Get the ratings up.

00:10:29.000 No, I actually believe that the church is universal.

00:10:34.000 There are various churches that count.

00:10:37.000 The Orthodox Church.

00:10:39.000 My particular church, which has about 15 people.

00:10:41.000 Exactly.

00:10:42.000 Yeah.

00:10:43.000 And none of this.

00:10:44.000 That one will be lumped into the ordinary at some point sooner or later anyway.

00:10:48.000 Exactly.

00:10:49.000 By the way, we're going to heal the East-West-ism. 0.96

00:10:51.000 Legitimately.

00:10:52.000 I'm only half-joking when I say that.

00:10:55.000 I think we actually could heal it.

00:10:56.000 I agree.

00:10:57.000 It's God's church.

00:10:58.000 He'll bring it together when he's ready.

00:10:59.000 Yeah.

00:11:00.000 You'll be left out.

00:11:01.000 Yeah.

00:11:02.000 Obviously, yeah.

00:11:03.000 But guys, we resolved the filioque.

00:11:05.000 Shut up, Michael.

00:11:06.000 Daddy, no one wants you.

00:11:08.000 You'll be chasing after me.

00:11:09.000 Yeah.

00:11:10.000 Uh, me.

00:11:11.000 Okay.

00:11:12.000 Here we go.

00:11:15.000 Huh.

00:11:16.000 Someone will eventually leak the Jeffrey Epstein client list.

00:11:20.000 I bet he'll leave the country.

00:11:22.000 Yeah.

00:11:23.000 I mean, the rest of the Jeffrey Epstein client list.

00:11:27.000 Someone will eventually leak the Jeffrey Epstein client list.

00:11:31.000 What did you say?

00:11:33.000 Wrong.

00:11:34.000 I think no.

00:11:35.000 Really, you all...

00:11:36.000 So, I think no and you think yes.

00:11:37.000 Yeah.

00:11:38.000 I think somebody will eventually...

00:11:39.000 It has been 60 years since the JFK assassination.

00:11:54.000 True.

00:11:55.000 And we were told by congressional order...

00:11:57.000 Yes.

00:11:58.000 We were going to get all the CIA files in 95.

00:12:02.000 The year of our Lord, 2023.

00:12:03.000 We get a little nibble here or there.

00:12:05.000 Oh, maybe they were doing some surveillance on Lee Harvey Oswald.

00:12:09.000 Yeah.

00:12:10.000 I don't know.

00:12:11.000 Well, first of all, Lee Harvey Oswald was killed by a communist.

00:12:13.000 One communist guy.

00:12:14.000 And all the CIA stuff is...

00:12:15.000 JFK was killed by one communist guy.

00:12:17.000 JFK.

00:12:18.000 Oh, who were you talking about?

00:12:19.000 Yeah.

00:12:20.000 Well, no.

00:12:21.000 Lee Harvey Oswald.

00:12:22.000 And then Lee Harvey Oswald was killed by one...

00:12:23.000 CIA.

00:12:24.000 Patsy for the CIA.

00:12:25.000 Yeah.

00:12:26.000 Right?

00:12:27.000 We didn't want to tell him that they'd been giving the guy money or something like that.

00:12:30.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:12:32.000 But...

00:12:33.000 But...

00:12:34.000 The Clintons can't live forever.

00:12:36.000 Mm-hmm.

00:12:37.000 And that's...

00:12:38.000 That's really what's in the world, right?

00:12:39.000 Mm-hmm.

00:12:40.000 Do you think though...

00:12:41.000 If...

00:12:42.000 I assume Jeffrey Epstein was mobbed up with intelligence.

00:12:45.000 I think...

00:12:46.000 Yes, I think so.

00:12:47.000 I think it's almost guaranteed.

00:12:48.000 Yes.

00:12:49.000 Will the intelligence agencies allow that information out?

00:12:53.000 That's a good question.

00:12:54.000 That's a fair question.

00:12:55.000 I mean, I think it really does depend...

00:12:57.000 Like, what was this guy...

00:12:58.000 We really don't know, like, what this guy was doing.

00:13:00.000 Yeah.

00:13:01.000 Like, James Patterson...

00:13:02.000 I read...

00:13:03.000 I actually read James Patterson's book on the thing.

00:13:05.000 Yeah.

00:13:06.000 The big mystery writer.

00:13:07.000 And he's...

00:13:08.000 You know, he's a billionaire, so he...

00:13:09.000 Does he write his own books, even?

00:13:10.000 I don't know.

00:13:11.000 No way.

00:13:12.000 But he gives people credit for writing them, you know?

00:13:14.000 But...

00:13:16.000 I read it, and it didn't tell you anything except, like, you know...

00:13:18.000 What he would do to these women.

00:13:20.000 And I thought, come on.

00:13:21.000 What the hell was he up to?

00:13:23.000 Right.

00:13:24.000 I want to...

00:13:25.000 I actually don't care about the women stuff. 1.00

00:13:27.000 Yeah.

00:13:28.000 You know?

00:13:29.000 And there's only, like, five things you can do anyway.

00:13:30.000 Right.

00:13:31.000 You know?

00:13:32.000 I mean...

00:13:33.000 To quote Norm MacDonald.

00:13:34.000 Yeah.

00:13:35.000 You think you invented a sixth thing.

00:13:36.000 It's really, actually, just three and five together.

00:13:37.000 Right.

00:13:38.000 But I would like to know...

00:13:39.000 We know the big...

00:13:40.000 I mean, we know Bill Clinton, obviously.

00:13:41.000 Yeah.

00:13:42.000 We know Prince Andrew.

00:13:43.000 But what about those other guys?

00:13:45.000 Yeah, Bill Gates.

00:13:46.000 Bill Gates.

00:13:47.000 Yeah.

00:13:48.000 And here's another question I have.

00:13:50.000 Why is it that Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein both had deformed genitalia?

00:13:56.000 Yeah.

00:13:57.000 It's really strange.

00:13:58.000 Right.

00:13:59.000 Is that something that, like, makes you want to, like, abuse underage girls?

00:14:02.000 Right.

00:14:03.000 That's right.

00:14:04.000 When it came out...

00:14:05.000 This was totally buried by the press.

00:14:06.000 But it came out in the Harvey Weinstein court docs that he is vaguely hermaphroditic.

00:14:12.000 Yes.

00:14:13.000 It's a genital deformity.

00:14:14.000 Yeah.

00:14:15.000 Yeah.

00:14:16.000 But he could be identified as intersex.

00:14:17.000 Really?

00:14:18.000 Yes.

00:14:19.000 Which the...

00:14:20.000 I mean, again, the intersex and her hermaphroditism is kind of overstated.

00:14:23.000 Right.

00:14:24.000 Usually you can tell it's one or the other.

00:14:25.000 Yeah.

00:14:26.000 But I noticed the pro-trans left kind of went real mum about that one.

00:14:31.000 Yeah.

00:14:32.000 Actually, hold on.

00:14:33.000 Go for it.

00:14:34.000 Pay no attention to the man behind the orange jumpsuit.

00:14:37.000 Now, those are two very weird stories.

00:14:39.000 Yeah.

00:14:40.000 I mean, Harvey Weinstein I don't think is as weird as Jeffrey Epstein.

00:14:42.000 Yeah.

00:14:43.000 And the fact that he could be murdered, like, that is a story out of Suetonius, out of ancient

00:14:48.000 Rome.

00:14:49.000 The fact that he could be murdered in a facility, a safe facility, a max security facility.

00:14:56.000 Right.

00:14:57.000 With cameras and guards and supposedly a cellmate.

00:15:00.000 And all Hillary needed was the Groucho glasses. 0.96

00:15:03.000 That's the craziest part.

00:15:04.000 The funny nose.

00:15:05.000 Yeah.

00:15:06.000 Crazy.

00:15:07.000 Well, to the truth.

00:15:10.000 The late Jeffrey Epstein.

00:15:12.000 Yeah.

00:15:16.000 You can be a good Christian and actively support the full official Democratic Party platform.

00:15:25.000 It's no possibility.

00:15:26.000 It's not possible.

00:15:27.000 No.

00:15:28.000 You know, in particular, really just abortion.

00:15:30.000 Just abortion. 1.00

00:15:31.000 Right.

00:15:32.000 Right.

00:15:33.000 I mean, I think virtually every self-identified Christian is on board with this.

00:15:38.000 But also, if you're Catholic, the popes have been pretty clear.

00:15:42.000 There's no...

00:15:43.000 There's no...

00:15:44.000 I just don't understand how you can call yourself an actual Christian.

00:15:46.000 Yeah.

00:15:47.000 Like, you know.

00:15:48.000 Like, I can understand almost anything else.

00:15:49.000 Yeah.

00:15:50.000 Like, you know, it's...

00:15:51.000 But, you know, you're killing babies. 0.96

00:15:52.000 You're killing babies. 0.84

00:15:53.000 Don't do this.

00:15:54.000 I mean, it's a...

00:15:55.000 The right to life is not just one right among many.

00:15:57.000 It is the prerequisite.

00:15:58.000 It's the prerequisite for all the other...

00:15:59.000 Yeah.

00:16:00.000 Yeah.

00:16:01.000 But all the other stuff, too.

00:16:02.000 I mean, even the trans stuff. 0.98

00:16:05.000 You know, it's just...

00:16:06.000 Is that on the platform?

00:16:07.000 I guess it is.

00:16:08.000 These days, probably.

00:16:09.000 I think these days, you know, they're going to build an idol to Osama Bin Laden soon enough.

00:16:13.000 Well, not only that, they may actually be, like, worshipping Satan.

00:16:17.000 They actually do worship Satan.

00:16:18.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:16:19.000 Yeah.

00:16:20.000 That's the thing.

00:16:21.000 Yeah.

00:16:22.000 A little tough to include that in your Christian liturgy.

00:16:25.000 You're up.

00:16:26.000 All right.

00:16:27.000 Here we go.

00:16:28.000 Here we go.

00:16:31.000 Tessa was far less attractive before Jen, you saw. 1.00

00:16:36.000 Yeah.

00:16:37.000 Wow.

00:16:38.000 There's no way to answer this in a way that doesn't get us in trouble.

00:16:42.000 Either we're saying that our beloved colleague Tessa is hot, which is going to get us in trouble with HR.

00:16:48.000 Yeah.

00:16:49.000 Or we're going to say that she wasn't hot previously, so we're insulting the woman's looks. 1.00

00:16:54.000 Right.

00:16:55.000 How do you answer?

00:16:56.000 I don't know how to answer that.

00:16:57.000 I know how to answer that.

00:17:00.000 I know how I would answer that.

00:17:01.000 Now, also, one way you answer will make our advertiser really happy.

00:17:05.000 And one way will make our advertiser angry.

00:17:09.000 Yeah.

00:17:10.000 I know.

00:17:11.000 But there's only one right answer.

00:17:12.000 Okay.

00:17:13.000 All right.

00:17:14.000 Let's see.

00:17:15.000 So, and the question was, or the statement was, Tessa was less-

00:17:18.000 Tessa was far less attractive before Jen, you saw. 1.00

00:17:19.000 Okay.

00:17:20.000 Well, I know your answer.

00:17:33.000 But I'm going to say you're wrong.

00:17:35.000 I'm going to say Tessa-

00:17:36.000 Tessa was far less attractive for Jen. 1.00

00:17:38.000 She was far less attractive because, because, Drew, Jen Yacel came on right around the time that Tessa got married. 0.99

00:17:47.000 Yeah.

00:17:48.000 Tessa, who is a physically beautiful woman. 0.53

00:17:51.000 Spectacular.

00:17:52.000 She became all the more beautiful, actually, when she was married.

00:17:57.000 I think they were talking about a soul.

00:17:59.000 I just don't want to get in trouble, Drew.

00:18:02.000 I don't.

00:18:03.000 Come on.

00:18:04.000 Such a wimp.

00:18:05.000 I can't just say.

00:18:08.000 Well, in any case, I'll drink to forget the question.

00:18:11.000 Here's to Tessa.

00:18:12.000 To Tessa.

00:18:13.000 And to Jen Yacel.

00:18:14.000 And to Jen Yacel, yeah.

00:18:15.000 She does love this stuff.

00:18:16.000 Mm-hmm.

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00:19:23.000 It is more likely that the great pyramids of Giza predate the flood and were built by Nephilim,

00:19:32.000 or with other supernatural direction, than that the prevailing narrative pushed by the experts is true.

00:19:39.000 No.

00:19:40.000 Come on! 0.61

00:19:41.000 You made me, you were so confident in mine that I...

00:19:55.000 Because I know you're nuts.

00:19:56.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:19:57.000 No, you're right.

00:19:58.000 You're right.

00:19:59.000 Darn, I'm gonna lose this game.

00:20:00.000 All right.

00:20:01.000 Can you actually lose this game?

00:20:02.000 Is there something keeping score?

00:20:03.000 I am...

00:20:04.000 It's somewhere.

00:20:05.000 Look at our hands.

00:20:06.000 This is great.

00:20:07.000 We do the whole show like this.

00:20:12.000 There we are.

00:20:15.000 If you told me that the pyramids are 50,000 years old, I would believe you.

00:20:24.000 If you told me that the pyramids were built by pagan civilizations just worshiping demons,

00:20:32.000 and the demons actively guiding their hands, I would believe you.

00:20:36.000 I would be much more likely to believe you than if you told me, you know, they had like

00:20:41.000 a lever or something.

00:20:42.000 They had a bunch of slaves pulling, like, Jewish guys. 0.64

00:20:45.000 But Jewish guys aren't that beefy. 1.00

00:20:48.000 I mean, the ones in the IDF are.

00:20:49.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:20:50.000 Back in those days.

00:20:51.000 Okay.

00:20:52.000 Yeah, all right.

00:20:53.000 All right.

00:20:54.000 Maybe.

00:20:55.000 Maybe.

00:20:56.000 I keep an open mind.

00:20:57.000 All right.

00:20:58.000 Hmm.

00:20:59.000 I'm glad...

00:21:00.000 Well, I got that right or wrong.

00:21:01.000 I'm glad that we could at least...

00:21:02.000 Yes.

00:21:03.000 And I have to say that I'm shocked that we're actually keeping score.

00:21:06.000 Oh, I'm not.

00:21:08.000 I mean, I don't see the score anywhere.

00:21:12.000 To more emphatically push back on the woke nonsense in Disney's upcoming live action Snow

00:21:18.000 White and the Seven Dwarfs. 0.89

00:21:20.000 Jeremy should go all the way against political correctness and title it Snow White and the

00:21:25.000 Seven Midgets. 0.99

00:21:30.000 Is midgets the least politically correct word for a little person?

00:21:34.000 No, because a dwarf and a midget are two different things. 1.00

00:21:37.000 Are they?

00:21:38.000 Yes.

00:21:39.000 What's the difference?

00:21:40.000 One is a mythical woodland creature.

00:21:42.000 One is a sort of short fellow.

00:21:43.000 No.

00:21:44.000 No.

00:21:45.000 One is a short person and the other is a short person but is kind of malformed.

00:21:51.000 Mmm.

00:21:52.000 I do believe there's a difference.

00:21:54.000 So, right.

00:21:55.000 One has sort of ordinary proportions and one is...

00:21:57.000 Yes.

00:21:58.000 Oh, interesting.

00:21:59.000 It's true.

00:22:00.000 I've noticed that distinction.

00:22:01.000 Yeah.

00:22:02.000 Hmm.

00:22:03.000 I think it should be called Snow White and the Seven White Guys.

00:22:06.000 Snow White and the Seven Perfectly Ordinary Straight White Men. 0.87

00:22:12.000 Whiter.

00:22:14.000 Snow White and the Whiter Guys.

00:22:17.000 Okay.

00:22:18.000 So, the answer is no.

00:22:19.000 You have to go no.

00:22:20.000 But our...

00:22:21.000 I think our solution would be...

00:22:22.000 Yes.

00:22:23.000 Of course.

00:22:24.000 No.

00:22:25.000 In fact, it should just be called White White and the White White White.

00:22:28.000 I've been calling the new ones Sand Beige.

00:22:31.000 Sand Beige and the Seven Tall Men.

00:22:36.000 Seven Ordinarily Proportioned.

00:22:38.000 Ordinarily Proportioned Tall Men.

00:22:40.000 Michael Knowles embracing the dad bod in his early 30s.

00:22:43.000 Yeah, real nice.

00:22:44.000 Real nice.

00:22:45.000 I think I look actually pretty good.

00:22:47.000 Thank you.

00:22:48.000 Embracing the dad bod in his early 30s is disgusting and disordered.

00:22:51.000 It's kind of like if Michelangelo saw a marble block and said,

00:22:55.000 ah, let's just slap some pasta and whiskey on it.

00:22:58.000 It's perfect the way it is.

00:22:59.000 Who wrote this?

00:23:00.000 Who the hell wrote this?

00:23:11.000 I mean, insulting but undeniable.

00:23:14.000 So, I got your answer right.

00:23:16.000 I'm trying to think about what I think about this.

00:23:19.000 All right, we can put it in this.

00:23:23.000 That's fine.

00:23:24.000 I'm of two minds here.

00:23:29.000 One, I think it's weird that men obsess over their physique like women.

00:23:34.000 So, men, like gym rat men I think actually are a little too vain and somewhat womanish. 1.00

00:23:41.000 But, the old ancient Greeks, they understood that virtue is not merely an intellectual endeavor.

00:23:48.000 It's physical as well.

00:23:50.000 And if I really were interested in full arete, I would lift a weight every now and again.

00:23:55.000 So, I agree.

00:23:56.000 I agree.

00:23:57.000 I have to say that especially some of us, those of us who have aged, it is a good thing to stay in shame.

00:24:06.000 Yeah.

00:24:07.000 Yeah.

00:24:08.000 Because the thing is I don't watch what I eat.

00:24:11.000 Yeah.

00:24:12.000 You smoke.

00:24:13.000 Well, that's actually the plus.

00:24:15.000 Because it suppresses the appetite so I don't become a big fat guy.

00:24:18.000 So, that's the one health benefit I have.

00:24:20.000 Plus, we know nicotine is good for you.

00:24:22.000 Did you know that?

00:24:23.000 Great.

00:24:24.000 I was talking to your son, no relation to you, Spencer Clavin.

00:24:28.000 Yeah.

00:24:29.000 And he told me that he believes we will live to see a day when nicotine is looked on as a health substance.

00:24:34.000 Yes, he does believe that.

00:24:36.000 Yeah.

00:24:37.000 What contradicts him is after the discovery of America where they started to send home tobacco,

00:24:41.000 every English king died of jock.

00:24:43.000 Yeah.

00:24:44.000 That's a little, ah, ah, yeah.

00:24:46.000 Well, yeah, but look, that's an anomaly.

00:24:49.000 Yeah.

00:24:50.000 Isn't that correlation is not, I'm starting to realize correlation is causation, obviously.

00:24:55.000 It probably is.

00:24:56.000 It's like a lib slogan.

00:24:57.000 It's true, yeah.

00:24:58.000 Is it me, you?

00:24:59.000 You.

00:25:00.000 Me.

00:25:01.000 All right.

00:25:02.000 Allowing attractive women into the workplace is more dangerous than letting a pit bull babysit your toddler. 1.00

00:25:11.000 Well, you're, you're pretty outspoken against pit bulls, too.

00:25:15.000 It's sort of question, is it more dangerous?

00:25:17.000 Yes.

00:25:18.000 Yes.

00:25:19.000 Yeah.

00:25:20.000 Absolutely.

00:25:21.000 Obviously.

00:25:22.000 Of course.

00:25:23.000 It's insane.

00:25:24.000 I, I assume we're violating a lot of NLRB statutes here, but it's, it's not good for anybody.

00:25:28.000 I don't think women should be in the workplace at all. 1.00

00:25:30.000 Of course not.

00:25:31.000 And I, like.

00:25:32.000 Of course.

00:25:33.000 Until, you know, maybe for like a year before they get married.

00:25:35.000 Yes.

00:25:36.000 Before having children.

00:25:37.000 It's like, it's ridiculous.

00:25:38.000 It's.

00:25:39.000 Yes.

00:25:40.000 For what?

00:25:41.000 Yes.

00:25:42.000 Like this, this thing where they come back to work after they have children.

00:25:45.000 Yeah.

00:25:46.000 Stay home.

00:25:47.000 Take care of your children.

00:25:48.000 And, and by the way, eventually your children grow up.

00:25:50.000 Yeah.

00:25:51.000 And then you can start to enter the workplace.

00:25:52.000 Right.

00:25:53.000 Yes.

00:25:54.000 And you won't disturb people.

00:25:55.000 Yeah.

00:25:56.000 I'm not, I'm not opposed to, but, but you're so right.

00:25:57.000 Like for, for what I've, for every fictional story I hear of a woman who really just wanted 0.99

00:26:03.000 she, her dream was to make widgets and she was kept from that by the patriarchy.

00:26:06.000 I have so many female friends who got lured into all the BS, put your career first. 1.00

00:26:13.000 And, and, and, you know, then they say own, they despair.

00:26:15.000 They say, I can't find a husband.

00:26:17.000 I can't get married.

00:26:18.000 I can't have kids.

00:26:19.000 You know, I was, I was at my priest's birth birthday party and this woman sat down across

00:26:25.000 me and just started talking to me about her life.

00:26:27.000 And she had a baby, a new baby and her husband.

00:26:29.000 And she said, you know, they told me to go to work and then get married as if getting

00:26:33.000 married was easy, as if it were easy to find somebody.

00:26:35.000 She said it was so hard.

00:26:36.000 And I, you know, like I didn't care about my work at all.

00:26:38.000 And all I care about is my baby.

00:26:40.000 And they all, you know, why wouldn't you, why wouldn't you?

00:26:43.000 The most, how much of work is like, you know, nonsense.

00:26:46.000 Right.

00:26:47.000 Raising a child and, you know.

00:26:49.000 When, you know, I remember I, I was talking, I guess I was talking to my father-in-law years

00:26:54.000 ago.

00:26:55.000 I said, well, what, what thing that you've done are you proud of stuff?

00:26:57.000 And he said, well, my kids, no question, my kids.

00:27:00.000 And I thought as a guy in his early twenties, I thought, okay, that's just the pat answer that,

00:27:05.000 an old guy gives.

00:27:06.000 Yeah.

00:27:07.000 Okay, whatever.

00:27:08.000 And then I had a kid.

00:27:09.000 And within five seconds, I realized, oh, right, nothing.

00:27:11.000 Look, not to downplay my blank book, which is a magnum office and will endure for ages.

00:27:15.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:16.000 But.

00:27:17.000 Cigars are good.

00:27:18.000 The cigars, thank you.

00:27:19.000 The cigars are good.

00:27:20.000 And those you set on fire and then they turned to ash.

00:27:22.000 Right.

00:27:23.000 But I, I was at the birth of my first son.

00:27:26.000 My wife is delivering the baby.

00:27:28.000 I'm delivering my manuscript on my book with words, which I really labored over and cared

00:27:32.000 a lot about.

00:27:33.000 Yeah.

00:27:34.000 They were both due on the same day.

00:27:35.000 I smoked those two.

00:27:36.000 You roll them up actually.

00:27:38.000 And I thought, oh, you're delivering your baby.

00:27:41.000 I'm delivering my baby that I've been working on for nine months or really over that, probably

00:27:46.000 double that time.

00:27:47.000 And I thought, and I'm not downplaying my book.

00:27:50.000 I think it's a good book.

00:27:52.000 This is nothing.

00:27:53.000 This is nothing compared to what is happening.

00:27:57.000 It's our, it's our pale imitation of what they're doing.

00:27:59.000 Yeah.

00:28:00.000 Yeah.

00:28:01.000 And, and the thing is, I really do feel that because of that, we as men, as a, as a breed

00:28:06.000 of people have purposely denigrated what women do. 0.86

00:28:11.000 Yeah.

00:28:12.000 Oh, she's just, she's, you know, they just take care of the house. 1.00

00:28:14.000 And I was like, all I know is like, go up to a guy who's bigger than you and insult

00:28:18.000 his mother.

00:28:19.000 Yeah.

00:28:20.000 And when you recover in the hospital, right.

00:28:22.000 Right.

00:28:23.000 You think this is something that matters to people.

00:28:25.000 Yes.

00:28:26.000 People like adore their mothers.

00:28:27.000 Yes.

00:28:28.000 Yeah.

00:28:29.000 That's a, that's a great point.

00:28:30.000 Oh, now they're nannies. 1.00

00:28:32.000 It's just capitalism.

00:28:33.000 I think it's you.

00:28:36.000 I'm up.

00:28:37.000 Yeah.

00:28:38.000 I've read all three of the Cameron Winter mysteries.

00:28:42.000 I can, I, I know this for a fact.

00:28:46.000 I, hey.

00:28:47.000 Okay.

00:28:48.000 Hey.

00:28:49.000 I, I think you, I think you've probably read them.

00:28:51.000 Now, in fairness, I have, I have maybe read more Andrew Klavan novels.

00:28:59.000 Willing.

00:29:00.000 I've certainly, I've willingly read more Andrew Klavan novels than maybe all the novels

00:29:04.000 I've ever read combined.

00:29:05.000 And I mean, it's not, I'm, you have finished one of my novels.

00:29:08.000 I, oh yes.

00:29:09.000 I know.

00:29:10.000 I've, I've actually read a number.

00:29:11.000 Not a lot.

00:29:12.000 Like, I don't know, like five or tops.

00:29:13.000 Oh wow.

00:29:14.000 All right.

00:29:15.000 That's actually a lot.

00:29:16.000 Yeah.

00:29:17.000 But I, I don't, I just, I'm not saying I hate novels.

00:29:19.000 No.

00:29:20.000 You don't read them.

00:29:21.000 I don't read them.

00:29:22.000 Yeah.

00:29:23.000 I just, even great novels, even sometimes for the book club, I, you know, I'm assigned novels.

00:29:26.000 I do.

00:29:27.000 And, and they're, every time I finish a great novel, I think, oh, that was great.

00:29:30.000 Every time I finish one of your books, I'm not puffing you up.

00:29:32.000 They're, they're just excellent and they're like beautiful.

00:29:35.000 I have, I have, this is going to sound so.

00:29:37.000 Yeah.

00:29:38.000 Go on.

00:29:39.000 Gay. 0.98

00:29:40.000 I've been, I've, I've like teared up at the ends of your books.

00:29:43.000 Oh, that is good.

00:29:44.000 I know.

00:29:45.000 And I'm sorry, this is a confession.

00:29:47.000 But, and yet still, then I put it down and I say, wow, that was a truly edifying,

00:29:54.000 perhaps even sanctifying experience.

00:29:56.000 Well, done with that.

00:29:57.000 Bye.

00:29:58.000 Okay.

00:29:59.000 Time to go read some other dry philosophy on nonsense.

00:30:01.000 Yeah.

00:30:02.000 There's some men, like they don't understand what, if they understood what novels were for.

00:30:06.000 Yeah.

00:30:07.000 Then they would read them more.

00:30:08.000 But we're a dumb country, so we don't understand that.

00:30:11.000 Yes.

00:30:12.000 But novels actually do, if you read them right, if you read them with a true heart.

00:30:16.000 Yeah.

00:30:17.000 They actually make you a better person.

00:30:18.000 Yes.

00:30:19.000 I did, I just ordered, because when we go out and have a stogie, maybe a couple of Coca-Colas,

00:30:24.000 you'll say, you have to read this book or that book.

00:30:26.000 And then I often order it immediately.

00:30:29.000 But you never read them.

00:30:30.000 They just pile up.

00:30:31.000 So I've got the one, The Monk book.

00:30:33.000 Oh, yeah.

00:30:34.000 Well, that's a fun book.

00:30:35.000 Yeah.

00:30:36.000 What's that book called?

00:30:37.000 The Monk.

00:30:38.000 The Monk.

00:30:39.000 By...

00:30:40.000 Yes.

00:30:41.000 It's on my nightstand.

00:30:42.000 Well, you would like that because it's a really interesting Catholic home.

00:30:45.000 All right.

00:30:46.000 All right.

00:30:47.000 That pitches it up a little.

00:30:48.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:49.000 I'm working my way up.

00:30:50.000 I'm reading the Father Brown stories.

00:30:51.000 Yeah, they're great.

00:30:52.000 I can do 20 pages of fiction at a time pretty soon, you know.

00:30:57.000 It's kind of why I like poetry.

00:30:58.000 I do read poetry.

00:30:59.000 Poetry is great.

00:31:00.000 And poetry, because it tricks me, because I think of a poem as like 14 lines.

00:31:04.000 Yeah.

00:31:05.000 And you get to the end of Dante and you think, goodness gracious.

00:31:07.000 And it takes a long time.

00:31:08.000 It takes a long time to read a poem.

00:31:09.000 But I do love poetry.

00:31:10.000 I love...

00:31:11.000 I mean, poetry had a day.

00:31:12.000 Yeah.

00:31:13.000 And then it died.

00:31:14.000 Yeah.

00:31:15.000 I know.

00:31:16.000 That...

00:31:18.000 I was trying to compose one right now, like a haiku, but it'll take too long.

00:31:22.000 Me, right?

00:31:23.000 You're up.

00:31:24.000 All right.

00:31:25.000 Here we go.

00:31:28.000 It is more likely that we will fall into World War III in the next 10 years than not.

00:31:39.000 Yeah.

00:31:40.000 Yeah.

00:31:41.000 Yes.

00:31:42.000 Yeah.

00:31:43.000 I can make my argument if you like.

00:31:58.000 Go ahead.

00:31:59.000 The term Thucydides trap is overplayed and most international relations jargon is overplayed.

00:32:06.000 But Graham Allison, the Harvard political scientist, makes this case that of the last, however

00:32:13.000 many, 19 or 16 to 20 global conflicts, three quarters of them have ended in war.

00:32:21.000 Meaning when a rising power confronted a dominant power, the consequence, three quarters of the

00:32:27.000 time, has been in war.

00:32:30.000 So now we face this with the US and China. 0.80

00:32:33.000 China, I think, is trying to head it off. 1.00

00:32:35.000 China just recently came out and said, the question is, do you want to be our partner

00:32:41.000 or our adversary?

00:32:43.000 If you want to be our partner, it's a big wide world.

00:32:45.000 There's room for both of us.

00:32:47.000 If you want to be our adversary and stop us from rising, basically, we're going to go

00:32:51.000 to war.

00:32:52.000 And I think the United States is bellicose, not intentionally so, but we just kind of stumble

00:32:58.000 into wars.

00:32:59.000 And we're the dominant power on Earth.

00:33:02.000 And so the odds are already so stacked against us.

00:33:05.000 I don't see how...

00:33:07.000 And the civilizations are so different here in the US and China.

00:33:11.000 There's no compromise.

00:33:12.000 I don't see...

00:33:13.000 There's no compromise, yeah.

00:33:14.000 My argument is that we don't destroy our homes until we leave.

00:33:20.000 We destroyed Europe after we were gone.

00:33:23.000 And so I think that when the minute Elon Musk sets up a community on Mars, then we'll have

00:33:31.000 World War III.

00:33:32.000 We'll just blow the planet to pieces.

00:33:34.000 You don't think...

00:33:35.000 Do you think we could have a World War III without blowing the planet to pieces?

00:33:38.000 Yeah, we could.

00:33:40.000 We could.

00:33:41.000 Maybe.

00:33:42.000 Yeah.

00:33:43.000 I mean, because nuclear weapons could be used in such a way that they made the planet unlivable,

00:33:50.000 but they could also be used in such a way that millions die and, you know...

00:33:54.000 Right.

00:33:55.000 That is the thing.

00:33:56.000 The nuclear bomb goes off in the whole population.

00:33:58.000 No.

00:33:59.000 But that's actually not how it works.

00:34:00.000 Right, right.

00:34:01.000 But especially, you know, when you've got the first major war in Europe and Ukraine,

00:34:05.000 then you've got this outbreak of war in the Holy Land that could escalate.

00:34:09.000 Though...

00:34:10.000 That's the scarier one to me.

00:34:11.000 Well, it's way scarier.

00:34:12.000 Yeah.

00:34:13.000 And it already involves, what, like six powers or seven powers and maybe more soon.

00:34:17.000 Yeah.

00:34:18.000 Wait, so did I get that right or not?

00:34:21.000 You got it wrong.

00:34:22.000 I got it wrong!

00:34:23.000 Ah!

00:34:25.000 Where's the score?

00:34:27.000 I don't know.

00:34:28.000 But there are my hands.

00:34:33.000 It's like a Fred Astaire movie with fingers.

00:34:37.000 When you're blue and you don't know where to go to, why don't you go?

00:34:41.000 Apparently you're winning by one.

00:34:43.000 I'm winning by more than that.

00:34:45.000 Wait a minute.

00:34:46.000 Listen how greedy he is.

00:34:47.000 Yes.

00:34:48.000 Okay.

00:34:49.000 Being invaded by pestilence or being bombarded with noise and production issues on a project

00:34:54.000 is a good sign that you are doing something meaningful.

00:34:57.000 Ah.

00:35:01.000 Yes.

00:35:02.000 Of course.

00:35:03.000 Yeah, it happens in the old...

00:35:04.000 The caterpillars.

00:35:05.000 Yeah, the caterpillars.

00:35:06.000 Yeah.

00:35:07.000 And then Wasp.

00:35:08.000 This was after we...

00:35:09.000 When we did Another Kingdom and I felt it was a sort of God-born...

00:35:14.000 Yes.

00:35:15.000 The reason I say this is because I was sitting there thinking...

00:35:18.000 I had written a novel that didn't work.

00:35:20.000 And I had the flash that I was going to have to throw it away.

00:35:23.000 And suddenly the entire Another Kingdom story came into my mind at once, which never happened to me before since.

00:35:28.000 Ever, ever happened.

00:35:29.000 Just the whole thing.

00:35:30.000 Bang.

00:35:32.000 And the day that I finished it, that my house was overrun by caterpillars.

00:35:37.000 And then remember we started to record it.

00:35:40.000 Yeah.

00:35:41.000 And everything went wrong.

00:35:42.000 Yeah.

00:35:43.000 Constantly.

00:35:44.000 We had to re-record the whole episode.

00:35:45.000 Yes.

00:35:46.000 The whole thing was...

00:35:47.000 And then when I moved and I was writing...

00:35:52.000 And another...

00:35:53.000 I'm sorry.

00:35:54.000 The Truth and Beauty was coming out.

00:35:56.000 And I was getting ready to promote it and everything like this.

00:35:59.000 A book that was clearly a gift from God.

00:36:01.000 That book.

00:36:02.000 First time that our Lord, alongside John Keats...

00:36:06.000 Yes.

00:36:07.000 ...had ever charted...

00:36:08.000 Made the bestseller list.

00:36:09.000 Yes.

00:36:10.000 My office was invaded by wasps.

00:36:12.000 So that every day I would come in and there would be five, six wasps in the place.

00:36:17.000 And I thought like, well, yeah, of course.

00:36:19.000 Yeah.

00:36:20.000 They were Episcopalians.

00:36:21.000 They were Episcopalians.

00:36:22.000 And they were yelling at you.

00:36:23.000 It's too Roman-ish. 1.00

00:36:24.000 Right.

00:36:25.000 Yeah.

00:36:26.000 I was doing an interview with an exorcist, Father Danny.

00:36:28.000 Yes.

00:36:29.000 I remember this, yeah.

00:36:30.000 He was sitting there.

00:36:31.000 Yeah.

00:36:32.000 And usually on those...

00:36:33.000 I was told I was going to have 25 minutes of no audio problems.

00:36:36.000 Right.

00:36:37.000 Guaranteed.

00:36:38.000 So we're talking, maybe seven minutes goes by.

00:36:41.000 Oh, there's some audio problem.

00:36:42.000 Got to cut.

00:36:43.000 Cut.

00:36:44.000 Okay.

00:36:45.000 Sorry, Father Rehill.

00:36:46.000 Okay.

00:36:47.000 All right.

00:36:48.000 We're back up again.

00:36:49.000 Seven minutes goes by.

00:36:50.000 Same thing.

00:36:51.000 This goes on three, four, at least four times probably.

00:36:52.000 And then I look at him.

00:36:53.000 He's a very calm man.

00:36:55.000 Very grounded fellow.

00:36:57.000 Yeah.

00:36:58.000 I said, Father, does this happen to you often?

00:37:02.000 I said, Michael, it's a story of my life.

00:37:05.000 And I said, okay, next time it happens, just roll.

00:37:07.000 Just roll.

00:37:08.000 Just roll right through it.

00:37:09.000 I don't...

00:37:10.000 Don't cut for any reason.

00:37:11.000 Didn't happen again.

00:37:12.000 Really?

00:37:13.000 Two hour interview.

00:37:14.000 Didn't happen again.

00:37:15.000 That's funny.

00:37:16.000 Well, yeah.

00:37:17.000 You know, as you and I have often said to one another in the midst of some long conversation

00:37:22.000 and or drinking bout, this stuff is real.

00:37:24.000 It's real.

00:37:25.000 That's the...

00:37:26.000 It still surprises me that it's real.

00:37:28.000 Me too.

00:37:29.000 Because we're so trained to not believe it.

00:37:31.000 Yeah.

00:37:32.000 But it's obviously real.

00:37:33.000 Right.

00:37:34.000 In the same way that, like, mental illness and being demon infested are kind of the same

00:37:39.000 thing, just from seeing from...

00:37:41.000 Right.

00:37:42.000 Right.

00:37:43.000 Yeah.

00:37:44.000 Like, I'm not saying there's...

00:37:45.000 I'm not saying that I'm totally confident that they're never separate.

00:37:49.000 Yes.

00:37:50.000 But like...

00:37:51.000 Yes.

00:37:52.000 There would seem to be a lot of similarities.

00:37:54.000 Like a Venn diagram.

00:37:55.000 Well, like a Venn diagram.

00:37:56.000 Like Kamala Harris loves.

00:37:57.000 Yeah.

00:37:58.000 Or Venn diagrams.

00:37:59.000 You're right.

00:38:00.000 Oh, it's me, huh?

00:38:01.000 All right.

00:38:03.000 It is more beneficial for young men or women to listen to Andrew Tate than read Everyday Feminism.

00:38:11.000 Um...

00:38:12.000 That's like...

00:38:13.000 Arsenic or, you know, cyanide.

00:38:15.000 Yeah.

00:38:16.000 Exactly.

00:38:17.000 Exactly.

00:38:18.000 More beneficial for young men or women to listen to Andrew Tate.

00:38:22.000 Um...

00:38:23.000 I know what I would say.

00:38:28.000 Let me guess what he is.

00:38:36.000 Yeah.

00:38:37.000 Yeah.

00:38:38.000 Grudgingly.

00:38:39.000 I'm not...

00:38:40.000 Because Andrew Tate derives his power from saying something that is true that he dedicates

00:38:47.000 to evil.

00:38:48.000 The thing that he says that is true, basically, is that a woman will follow a strong man even 0.79

00:38:54.000 if he abuses her before she gives herself to a weakling who pays her all kinds of feminist 1.00

00:39:01.000 respect.

00:39:02.000 So he's saying a true thing.

00:39:03.000 So somewhere in there is a true thing that he is using...

00:39:05.000 He's exploiting.

00:39:06.000 ...for evil.

00:39:07.000 Because when good people lie, the evil people get the truth and that's the power.

00:39:10.000 Right.

00:39:11.000 Right.

00:39:12.000 But Everyday Feminism is just a joke. 1.00

00:39:13.000 I mean, it's like...

00:39:14.000 Yeah.

00:39:15.000 You know...

00:39:16.000 Right.

00:39:17.000 The only way that could be edifying is if you go in realizing what a joke it is and

00:39:22.000 treat it like opposite day.

00:39:23.000 Yes.

00:39:24.000 I used to use it when I had to write four satires a week.

00:39:27.000 Yes.

00:39:28.000 It was like cheating.

00:39:29.000 It was.

00:39:30.000 Writing four satires a week is the hardest single creative act I've ever done.

00:39:33.000 And sometimes I would just take Everyday Feminism and just read it.

00:39:36.000 It's like, hey, can I copy your homework?

00:39:40.000 It won't be too close to what you wrote.

00:39:42.000 You changed two words in Everyday Feminism. 1.00

00:39:44.000 Yes.

00:39:45.000 Because Tate reminds me...

00:39:47.000 Look, I hold out hope that Tate will figure things out.

00:39:51.000 I mean, he's a little up there.

00:39:53.000 You know, he's not 22.

00:39:54.000 But, you know, it's never too late.

00:39:57.000 But it reminds me that the greatest saints of history could have been the worst sinners.

00:40:02.000 And vice versa.

00:40:03.000 The worst sinners in history.

00:40:04.000 That's awfully nice of you.

00:40:05.000 I just mean...

00:40:06.000 I mean...

00:40:07.000 He's Muslim now, you know.

00:40:08.000 He...

00:40:09.000 Yeah, for now.

00:40:10.000 Yeah.

00:40:11.000 Maybe that's his...

00:40:12.000 Like, if a guy goes from being an atheist to being a Muslim to being a Christian.

00:40:14.000 Right.

00:40:15.000 Well, that's great.

00:40:16.000 I'll tell you.

00:40:17.000 At least, you know, the Muslims know that God exists. 1.00

00:40:18.000 No, it's true.

00:40:19.000 Right.

00:40:20.000 As one of them, actually, a town chieftain said to me in Afghanistan, we can talk to the Americans

00:40:26.000 because the Russians had no God. 0.82

00:40:28.000 They were animals.

00:40:29.000 Yes.

00:40:30.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:40:31.000 But I...

00:40:32.000 It seems to me, you know, people have different capacities.

00:40:35.000 And some...

00:40:36.000 There are great and, you know, enormously great.

00:40:39.000 Yes.

00:40:40.000 I mean, wickedly great people in history.

00:40:42.000 Yes.

00:40:43.000 And it seems to me that, you know, if one of the worst had...

00:40:45.000 If a Stalin or somebody...

00:40:46.000 Yeah.

00:40:47.000 ...had just gotten his will and his intellect right, gone in the right direction, he could

00:40:51.000 have been one of the greatest saints of history.

00:40:52.000 Likewise, I think, you know...

00:40:54.000 I don't know, St. Benedict or somebody could have been one of the worst sinners if he turned

00:40:58.000 the wrong way.

00:40:59.000 You know, your argument is good.

00:41:00.000 I'm not sure it applies to Tate.

00:41:02.000 Because he's kind of a...

00:41:03.000 You know, he's a pimp.

00:41:04.000 He's a pimp.

00:41:05.000 He's a pimp.

00:41:06.000 Though he says he gave up pimping.

00:41:08.000 Yeah.

00:41:09.000 Probably because it ain't easy.

00:41:10.000 But I don't know.

00:41:11.000 I mean, you know, he also lied about that though.

00:41:13.000 He lied and tried to make it seem like he had been doing that much longer ago.

00:41:17.000 And I mean, that's really wicked stuff.

00:41:19.000 I admire your open-heartedness.

00:41:21.000 I try.

00:41:22.000 I listen.

00:41:23.000 I'm...

00:41:24.000 Yeah.

00:41:25.000 I legitimately am...

00:41:26.000 Yeah.

00:41:27.000 You need to like that.

00:41:28.000 A flaw is a bit of optimism, yeah.

00:41:29.000 And I don't...

00:41:30.000 I know optimism is bad.

00:41:32.000 I know it's bad.

00:41:33.000 It's like pessimism.

00:41:34.000 Two sides of the same point.

00:41:35.000 But seeing the full capacity of the human person, I think, is actually a good thing.

00:41:39.000 That's...

00:41:40.000 Yeah.

00:41:41.000 I will praise you.

00:41:42.000 Though I'll be disappointed, perhaps.

00:41:43.000 Well, probably.

00:41:44.000 In this case, probably.

00:41:45.000 But yeah.

00:41:46.000 But still...

00:41:47.000 Okay.

00:41:48.000 I would be okay with a female president. 1.00

00:41:52.000 Oh, this one's going to get us in trouble.

00:41:55.000 I would be okay with a female president. 1.00

00:41:58.000 Yeah.

00:41:59.000 Well, it depends on what the meaning of okay is.

00:42:06.000 I would be okay.

00:42:07.000 Yeah, I'll say yes.

00:42:09.000 I'll say yes.

00:42:11.000 No, I can still live a holy life, I hope, and go to heaven someday.

00:42:14.000 So I guess I'd be okay.

00:42:15.000 Well, Margaret Thatcher.

00:42:17.000 Yeah.

00:42:18.000 I mean, the exception.

00:42:19.000 Yeah.

00:42:20.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:42:21.000 I mean, we're very...

00:42:22.000 Can you think of one other example ever in history?

00:42:24.000 No, no.

00:42:25.000 Wait.

00:42:26.000 One other...

00:42:27.000 Queen Elizabeth, maybe.

00:42:28.000 Well, she's a queen. 1.00

00:42:29.000 I consider a monarch different than a prime minister or a president.

00:42:32.000 Good point.

00:42:33.000 Let's see.

00:42:34.000 Maggie Thatcher.

00:42:35.000 Liz Truss.

00:42:36.000 Liz Truss.

00:42:37.000 You know, I believe, and this has nothing to do with the capacities of women actually, 0.99

00:42:44.000 I believe that when women take over a profession, the profession is over. 1.00

00:42:48.000 Yeah.

00:42:49.000 That's what you can tell.

00:42:50.000 So when women become anchor women, the TV news doesn't matter. 1.00

00:42:53.000 Movie directors.

00:42:54.000 And it's not...

00:42:55.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:42:56.000 It's not because women can't do it. 1.00

00:43:00.000 It's because men do it first. 1.00

00:43:03.000 Yeah.

00:43:04.000 They do everything first.

00:43:05.000 And then they see something new come along and they clear out.

00:43:08.000 And that's when the women move in. 1.00

00:43:09.000 Right.

00:43:10.000 And so I would just assume Angela Merkel.

00:43:12.000 Right.

00:43:13.000 The end of Europe, right?

00:43:14.000 Yeah.

00:43:15.000 That was the end of...

00:43:16.000 She ended Europe. 0.91

00:43:17.000 Yeah.

00:43:18.000 It was like the Germans that took the Germans three tries. 0.97

00:43:19.000 They thought like, well, we'll just invade.

00:43:21.000 Then they thought, well, we'll have Hitler.

00:43:22.000 We'll just kill everybody.

00:43:23.000 That didn't work.

00:43:24.000 And then they said, how about a woman canceling? 0.68

00:43:27.000 And they just destroyed...

00:43:28.000 Open up the gates.

00:43:29.000 Here we go, baby.

00:43:30.000 Level the continent, yeah.

00:43:33.000 So it's hard to believe, you know, like, but...

00:43:37.000 And we don't have a parliamentary system, which is what it takes to throw up a Churchill

00:43:40.000 or a Margaret Thatcher.

00:43:41.000 Right.

00:43:42.000 So probably we'd be screwed.

00:43:43.000 Yeah.

00:43:44.000 But you have to hold out the theoretical hope.

00:43:46.000 Yes.

00:43:47.000 And we...

00:43:48.000 And it's really just like, it's sort of like answering, I'd be okay if the Hun invaded 0.99

00:43:53.000 and beheaded us all. 0.61

00:43:54.000 You know, like, I'd be...

00:43:55.000 My okayness is not contingent on the political circumstances of this fallen world.

00:44:00.000 Exactly.

00:44:01.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:44:02.000 You're up.

00:44:03.000 All right.

00:44:06.000 Casablanca is better than The Godfather, and they could both be improved on if they were

00:44:10.000 written and directed by young black lesbian women of color.

00:44:15.000 Oh, wait.

00:44:16.000 That's two assertions.

00:44:17.000 That's two...

00:44:18.000 Let's take the first one first.

00:44:19.000 All right.

00:44:20.000 Casablanca is better than The Godfather.

00:44:22.000 Casablanca is better than The Godfather.

00:44:27.000 Have you seen both movies?

00:44:28.000 Of course.

00:44:35.000 No.

00:44:36.000 No?

00:44:37.000 No.

00:44:38.000 Casablanca is so much better.

00:44:39.000 Oh, look.

00:44:40.000 Casablanca is great.

00:44:41.000 I'm not knocking.

00:44:42.000 It's the great film.

00:44:43.000 It is certainly among the great films.

00:44:46.000 I just recently revisited The Godfather.

00:44:48.000 It's the greatest movie except for Casablanca.

00:44:52.000 Look, I didn't...

00:44:53.000 If I actually had to pick the greatest movie ever, I would throw in there, mostly because

00:44:58.000 I like acting, so I look for acting.

00:45:00.000 I would throw Streetcar.

00:45:01.000 Great.

00:45:02.000 Great.

00:45:03.000 I would maybe throw On the Waterfront.

00:45:05.000 Yep.

00:45:06.000 Great movie.

00:45:07.000 I would throw The Searchers.

00:45:08.000 Half of it.

00:45:10.000 Half of it.

00:45:11.000 The thing that takes place back at the house is not that big.

00:45:13.000 It's a little weak.

00:45:14.000 Okay.

00:45:15.000 I would throw in...

00:45:19.000 Maybe throw in The Man Who Shot Liberty Balance.

00:45:21.000 Yeah, that's good.

00:45:22.000 Maybe.

00:45:23.000 Maybe.

00:45:24.000 That's like second tier.

00:45:25.000 Gone with the Wind.

00:45:26.000 Certainly, I would throw in Gone with the Wind.

00:45:28.000 You know, so there are...

00:45:29.000 But I am now of the opinion, other than my favorite movie, me, myself, and Irene, if I

00:45:34.000 had to...

00:45:35.000 Taking, obviously, that masterpiece aside, I might be willing to say that The Godfather,

00:45:40.000 the first one...

00:45:41.000 Yes.

00:45:42.000 The first one is the great one, yeah.

00:45:43.000 Is...

00:45:44.000 It might be the greatest movie ever made.

00:45:46.000 Yeah, I think it's the greatest movie ever made, except for...

00:45:48.000 Except for Casablanca.

00:45:49.000 Okay.

00:45:50.000 Now, hold on.

00:45:51.000 Now, the second question.

00:45:52.000 Oh, yes.

00:45:53.000 The second part of it.

00:45:54.000 You don't want to lose the second part of it.

00:45:55.000 They could both be improved on if they were written and directed by young black women 0.65

00:45:58.000 of color.

00:46:00.000 Obviously.

00:46:02.000 I don't want to get canceled.

00:46:03.000 I want to keep my show.

00:46:05.000 So, yes.

00:46:06.000 Because the thing is, young black lesbian women of color do everything better. 1.00

00:46:11.000 Because white men are the worst people on earth.

00:46:14.000 Yeah.

00:46:15.000 Except for the lack of talent.

00:46:17.000 You've got to cut that part out.

00:46:22.000 I want to keep my show, man.

00:46:25.000 Okay.

00:46:26.000 I'm up.

00:46:27.000 All right.

00:46:28.000 Donald Trump is a good man.

00:46:34.000 Hmm.

00:46:36.000 Wow.

00:46:37.000 I know what you would say.

00:46:46.000 That's correct.

00:46:48.000 You're right, too.

00:46:49.000 I know why you said it, too.

00:46:51.000 You would say it, too.

00:46:52.000 You would say it, too.

00:46:53.000 Why would I say it?

00:46:54.000 Because you're a lying dog. 0.96

00:46:56.000 I obviously am accepting the anthropological fact that none is good but God.

00:47:01.000 I'm obviously accepting the fallenness of God.

00:47:02.000 You both accept that, right?

00:47:03.000 Right.

00:47:04.000 I think relative, so we're talking relative to presidents and politicians.

00:47:07.000 Yeah.

00:47:08.000 I think, actually, relative to our degraded state of politicians and leaders, I think he's

00:47:16.000 in the upper 50% in terms of his virtue, actually.

00:47:20.000 I think he raised basically good kids.

00:47:22.000 I think, look, he got divorced.

00:47:24.000 He's had all sorts of problems.

00:47:25.000 I think he's run a business, actually, pretty honestly.

00:47:29.000 He seems to be.

00:47:30.000 You know, it's funny.

00:47:31.000 The one thing about these indictments is they point out that he's never really done anything

00:47:34.000 all that bad.

00:47:35.000 Yes.

00:47:36.000 I mean, the guy was doing real estate in New York.

00:47:38.000 I know.

00:47:39.000 They're charging him with nothing.

00:47:40.000 Yes.

00:47:41.000 Even in his showbiz career, I think about the evil, hideous things people do in showbiz.

00:47:45.000 What did he do?

00:47:46.000 He slept with some supermodels, which is like the cost.

00:47:48.000 That's like the first thing you do when you get into big show business.

00:47:51.000 Right.

00:47:52.000 I think I'm not defending all the bad things, but even in his kind of con man-y ways, you

00:48:00.000 know, which have been caricatured so much, there's a kind of honesty to it.

00:48:04.000 Yeah.

00:48:05.000 You know what you're getting?

00:48:06.000 Those are not the things that bother me about him.

00:48:07.000 I mean, when he was running the first time, I said, this is the first post-Christian candidate. 0.96

00:48:13.000 And he was a guy who didn't care.

00:48:15.000 He treated people like garbage.

00:48:17.000 Which, by the way, was bad politics on top of that.

00:48:19.000 Yes.

00:48:20.000 But I don't know.

00:48:21.000 I looked at the Reagan ranch.

00:48:22.000 I just gave a speech at the Reagan ranch.

00:48:23.000 I was thinking about Reagan.

00:48:24.000 And by the way, you know, he was a womanizer and all this stuff.

00:48:28.000 And, you know.

00:48:29.000 But he, as a politician, he was so graceful.

00:48:33.000 Yes.

00:48:34.000 So decent.

00:48:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:36.000 Of course.

00:48:37.000 Of course.

00:48:38.000 And they told me, like, that they needed to add paving at the top of the ranch for safety.

00:48:42.000 And he didn't want to do it because he didn't want to spend the public money on his safety.

00:48:46.000 And I just thought, yeah, that's another time.

00:48:48.000 Yeah.

00:48:49.000 When you go to the ranch, which is pretty cool because it's owned by YAF.

00:48:51.000 Yeah.

00:48:52.000 And so it even has to be zoned as a private space.

00:48:55.000 Yeah.

00:48:56.000 It's cool.

00:48:57.000 Yeah.

00:48:58.000 And he kept, you know, coffee cans full of old nails and screws.

00:49:01.000 Yeah.

00:49:02.000 Because he didn't want to buy new ones.

00:49:03.000 I know.

00:49:04.000 And he, so no, the man obviously had such class and grace.

00:49:08.000 Yes.

00:49:09.000 For, even by the standards of his time, but also it was the 80s.

00:49:14.000 And that was a more graceful and classy time.

00:49:17.000 Yes, yes.

00:49:18.000 Right.

00:49:19.000 You know, and I just think.

00:49:20.000 So, yeah.

00:49:21.000 For Trump's time. 0.50

00:49:22.000 He's a better man.

00:49:23.000 Yeah.

00:49:24.000 Let me think about this.

00:49:25.000 We're living in the age of Joe Biden and AOC and Pelosi.

00:49:30.000 Yeah.

00:49:31.000 No, no.

00:49:32.000 It's, yeah.

00:49:33.000 I'm grading on a curve.

00:49:34.000 Yeah.

00:49:35.000 I would say that is a big curve.

00:49:36.000 That's it.

00:49:37.000 You're up.

00:49:38.000 I'm up.

00:49:39.000 For some people, horror films, metal music, or sexually themed art are morally fine to

00:49:46.000 create or enjoy.

00:49:52.000 Wrong.

00:49:53.000 Put a point up, baby.

00:49:54.000 Let's go.

00:49:55.000 The or is what does it for.

00:49:57.000 Yes.

00:49:58.000 Sexually themed.

00:49:59.000 Yeah.

00:50:00.000 I mean, it shouldn't be pornography, but sexually themed is obviously fine.

00:50:02.000 Of course.

00:50:03.000 And horror films are not.

00:50:04.000 Horror films, I think, can be quite good.

00:50:06.000 Yeah.

00:50:07.000 The exception to me, if it had been an and, my answer probably would have been no.

00:50:10.000 Because metal music.

00:50:11.000 Metal music.

00:50:12.000 I don't think is actually defensible.

00:50:14.000 You know, I know so little about metal music.

00:50:17.000 It's just the sound of it.

00:50:18.000 It's just the name of it sounds terrible.

00:50:20.000 What I know of it comes from Plato.

00:50:21.000 Okay.

00:50:22.000 And.

00:50:23.000 Was he a big metal guy?

00:50:24.000 He was a huge metal fan actually.

00:50:25.000 Yeah.

00:50:26.000 It was with the. 0.77

00:50:27.000 Just like the.

00:50:28.000 Bacalilas.

00:50:29.000 Yeah.

00:50:31.000 Balaclavas.

00:50:32.000 Bacala.

00:50:33.000 No, hold on.

00:50:34.000 Salted sea bass.

00:50:35.000 God.

00:50:36.000 Um.

00:50:37.000 You know, percussion.

00:50:39.000 Music generally bypasses the rational faculties.

00:50:42.000 Right.

00:50:43.000 This is why Plato said you gotta watch out.

00:50:44.000 Yes.

00:50:45.000 This is why Alan Bloom said don't listen to rock music.

00:50:46.000 Right.

00:50:47.000 And metal.

00:50:48.000 By taking out.

00:50:49.000 Discipline.

00:50:50.000 And.

00:50:51.000 Control.

00:50:52.000 And.

00:50:53.000 Melody.

00:50:54.000 And harmony.

00:50:55.000 For that matter.

00:50:56.000 And by being entirely.

00:50:57.000 Percussive.

00:50:58.000 I.

00:50:59.000 I do think.

00:51:00.000 I'm with the old fuddy duddies going back to Plato. 0.62

00:51:01.000 I think it.

00:51:02.000 It arouses the bass passions.

00:51:03.000 And is actually not.

00:51:04.000 Ever edifying.

00:51:05.000 Well see.

00:51:06.000 Here's the thing.

00:51:07.000 I'm willing to dismiss all music.

00:51:08.000 After 1958.

00:51:09.000 Yeah.

00:51:10.000 So.

00:51:11.000 So.

00:51:12.000 You get two years of Elvis in there.

00:51:13.000 Okay.

00:51:14.000 Okay.

00:51:15.000 Wow.

00:51:16.000 The.

00:51:17.000 The lyrics.

00:51:18.000 I.

00:51:19.000 I.

00:51:20.000 Just was in the gym.

00:51:21.000 And I'm on the elliptical.

00:51:22.000 And I usually find something to watch.

00:51:23.000 And there was a Fred Astaire movie.

00:51:25.000 Yeah.

00:51:26.000 On TV.

00:51:27.000 And I started watching this movie.

00:51:28.000 First of all.

00:51:29.000 Distilled joy.

00:51:30.000 No one could make anything today.

00:51:32.000 No one.

00:51:33.000 Including me.

00:51:34.000 Could make anything today.

00:51:35.000 That just distilled joy.

00:51:36.000 At that level.

00:51:37.000 Yeah.

00:51:38.000 Right.

00:51:39.000 With this stupid smile on your face.

00:51:41.000 Yes.

00:51:42.000 And then the songs.

00:51:43.000 Were like.

00:51:44.000 You know.

00:51:45.000 Let's face the music and dance.

00:51:46.000 Yeah.

00:51:47.000 Yeah.

00:51:48.000 So simple.

00:51:49.000 So condensed.

00:51:50.000 You know.

00:51:51.000 And just like.

00:51:52.000 And.

00:51:53.000 Yeah.

00:51:54.000 Just on the bridge of poetry.

00:51:55.000 But not trying to be poetry.

00:51:56.000 Because I believe.

00:51:57.000 This is what I believe about rock music.

00:51:58.000 I believe it's actually bad poetry.

00:51:59.000 Yeah.

00:52:00.000 Yeah.

00:52:01.000 Yeah.

00:52:02.000 If poetry is now a decadent art.

00:52:04.000 You know.

00:52:05.000 Which it is.

00:52:06.000 Yeah.

00:52:07.000 I mean.

00:52:08.000 So it is.

00:52:09.000 Yeah.

00:52:10.000 But.

00:52:11.000 But.

00:52:12.000 I just.

00:52:13.000 The music from the teens.

00:52:15.000 Nineteen teens.

00:52:16.000 Through the fifties.

00:52:17.000 Yes.

00:52:18.000 To.

00:52:19.000 Sixties.

00:52:20.000 And later on.

00:52:21.000 Yeah.

00:52:22.000 Yeah.

00:52:23.000 Yeah.

00:52:24.000 Yeah.

00:52:25.000 Yeah.

00:52:26.000 Yeah.

00:52:27.000 Yeah.

00:52:28.000 I play every instrument.

00:52:29.000 Every instrument of this.

00:52:30.000 Of the sun.

00:52:31.000 Other than drums.

00:52:32.000 At the level of a 14 year old.

00:52:34.000 I've never progressed above that.

00:52:35.000 That was when I stopped.

00:52:36.000 But I was.

00:52:37.000 I was strumming on the ukulele.

00:52:38.000 And I.

00:52:39.000 Because I saw a great bit.

00:52:40.000 Of Red Fox.

00:52:41.000 Singing all of me.

00:52:42.000 You know.

00:52:43.000 All of me.

00:52:44.000 Why not take all of me.

00:52:45.000 You know.

00:52:46.000 And.

00:52:47.000 So I was.

00:52:48.000 I was just plucking it out on.

00:52:49.000 On uke.

00:52:50.000 And.

00:52:51.000 The progression I realized.

00:52:52.000 Is kind of a.

00:52:53.000 It's a charming progression.

00:52:54.000 It was.

00:52:55.000 C.

00:52:56.000 E7.

00:52:57.000 A7.

00:52:58.000 And it's kind of hopping around.

00:52:59.000 Yeah.

00:53:00.000 All over there.

00:53:01.000 You know.

00:53:02.000 And then it kind of closes on a G7.

00:53:03.000 Yeah.

00:53:04.000 So the five.

00:53:05.000 And then it goes back to the one.

00:53:06.000 And so I'm playing that.

00:53:07.000 And I said.

00:53:08.000 That sounds kind of familiar.

00:53:09.000 I realized it's another song.

00:53:10.000 That Clapton kind of popularized.

00:53:11.000 It was a much older song.

00:53:12.000 Which is.

00:53:13.000 Nobody knows you when you're down and out.

00:53:14.000 Nobody knows you when you're down and out.

00:53:15.000 That's almost the same progression.

00:53:16.000 And it was.

00:53:17.000 It's clearly.

00:53:18.000 Just a popular progression of that era.

00:53:19.000 Right.

00:53:20.000 But it's complex.

00:53:21.000 There's actual complexity to it.

00:53:22.000 I know.

00:53:23.000 And then I think.

00:53:24.000 Well.

00:53:25.000 What is modern rock music?

00:53:26.000 Modern rock music.

00:53:27.000 Three chords.

00:53:28.000 It's one, four, five.

00:53:29.000 Yeah.

00:53:30.000 Maybe you throw in a six there.

00:53:31.000 Right.

00:53:32.000 Which is the relative minor.

00:53:33.000 Maybe if you want to be fancy.

00:53:34.000 But that's it.

00:53:35.000 And so.

00:53:36.000 Even just.

00:53:37.000 You know.

00:53:38.000 All of me.

00:53:39.000 Why not take all of me?

00:53:40.000 Can't you see?

00:53:41.000 I'm no good without you.

00:53:42.000 This is not.

00:53:43.000 You know.

00:53:44.000 The highest degrees of poetry.

00:53:45.000 But at least there's some.

00:53:46.000 Something happening.

00:53:47.000 There's some sophistication.

00:53:48.000 Yeah.

00:53:49.000 Yeah.

00:53:50.000 If it's just.

00:53:51.000 Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.

00:53:52.000 You know.

00:53:53.000 And just think like.

00:53:54.000 Well.

00:53:55.000 Okay.

00:53:56.000 You know.

00:53:57.000 Mask the sophistication.

00:53:58.000 You know.

00:53:59.000 You took the part that once was my heart.

00:54:01.000 Yes.

00:54:02.000 Is actually a sophisticated lyric.

00:54:03.000 Right.

00:54:04.000 And like.

00:54:05.000 You listen to.

00:54:06.000 Cole Porter.

00:54:07.000 Yeah.

00:54:08.000 All.

00:54:09.000 One syllable words.

00:54:10.000 You know.

00:54:11.000 I was watching the other day.

00:54:12.000 What is it?

00:54:13.000 The one that takes place on the ship.

00:54:15.000 Oh.

00:54:16.000 Yeah.

00:54:17.000 Yeah.

00:54:18.000 That one.

00:54:19.000 Yeah.

00:54:20.000 That one.

00:54:21.000 Yeah.

00:54:22.000 And.

00:54:23.000 All through the night.

00:54:24.000 Yeah.

00:54:25.000 And.

00:54:26.000 And when dawn comes to awaken me.

00:54:27.000 You're never there at all.

00:54:28.000 It's just.

00:54:29.000 Just so beautiful.

00:54:30.000 Yeah.

00:54:31.000 It's unbelievably great.

00:54:32.000 Right.

00:54:33.000 And I hate to sound like a funny day.

00:54:34.000 Cause I understand those.

00:54:35.000 They.

00:54:36.000 They don't speak.

00:54:37.000 Just in the same way.

00:54:38.000 Abstract art is crap.

00:54:39.000 Yeah.

00:54:40.000 But it does speak into its time.

00:54:41.000 So it is.

00:54:42.000 Sure.

00:54:43.000 Yeah.

00:54:44.000 I feel the same way about rock music.

00:54:45.000 Yeah.

00:54:46.000 You could not write those songs today.

00:54:47.000 And make them mean anything.

00:54:48.000 Yeah.

00:54:49.000 You know.

00:54:50.000 Because they actually express something.

00:54:51.000 I'll go further even on the abstract art point.

00:54:52.000 Yeah.

00:54:53.000 I have a soft spot for Dada.

00:54:54.000 Really?

00:54:55.000 I do.

00:54:56.000 In the sense that I think it speaks into its time.

00:54:57.000 Well it does.

00:54:58.000 And tells you something.

00:54:59.000 You know.

00:55:00.000 And it's like evil.

00:55:01.000 And it's an evil time.

00:55:02.000 You know.

00:55:03.000 But.

00:55:04.000 That is the problem.

00:55:05.000 I mean.

00:55:06.000 But you're right.

00:55:07.000 I do feel that way about rock music.

00:55:08.000 It is art.

00:55:09.000 Yeah.

00:55:10.000 As opposed to what's happening now.

00:55:11.000 Like I mean.

00:55:12.000 I have absolutely nothing against Taylor Swift.

00:55:14.000 I don't think she's harmful in any way.

00:55:16.000 Yeah.

00:55:17.000 But.

00:55:18.000 Not art.

00:55:19.000 You know.

00:55:20.000 It's like.

00:55:21.000 No.

00:55:22.000 But.

00:55:23.000 The one.

00:55:24.000 The positive.

00:55:25.000 I'll say about Taylor Swift though.

00:55:26.000 Is.

00:55:27.000 Because I don't get it.

00:55:28.000 I went to see the movie of her concert tour.

00:55:29.000 And the women. 0.99

00:55:30.000 All the women in the office were spending zillions of dollars. 1.00

00:55:31.000 Yeah.

00:55:32.000 To get the tickets.

00:55:33.000 She's so normal.

00:55:34.000 Yes.

00:55:35.000 She's pretty. 0.99

00:55:36.000 Yeah.

00:55:37.000 And she doesn't have a ton of tattoos.

00:55:38.000 And she's.

00:55:39.000 Right.

00:55:40.000 Or like crazy hair or whatever.

00:55:41.000 She's just like pretty.

00:55:42.000 And she sings about her ex-boyfriends.

00:55:44.000 It's the most basic relatable girl experience ever.

00:55:47.000 Yeah.

00:55:48.000 And.

00:55:49.000 She's grateful.

00:55:50.000 She thanks her fans.

00:55:51.000 Yeah.

00:55:52.000 She's nice.

00:55:53.000 Nice to us.

00:55:54.000 Just like nice.

00:55:55.000 Yeah.

00:55:56.000 You know.

00:55:57.000 In another age.

00:55:58.000 She'd be playing.

00:55:59.000 You know.

00:56:00.000 A local bar somewhere in Palookaville.

00:56:01.000 Yeah.

00:56:02.000 So profoundly bizarre and abnormal.

00:56:04.000 Just a little taste of normality.

00:56:07.000 I think is.

00:56:08.000 Is.

00:56:09.000 Gold.

00:56:10.000 Well.

00:56:11.000 You know.

00:56:12.000 She reminds me.

00:56:13.000 Not in that way.

00:56:14.000 But.

00:56:15.000 When Madonna was like.

00:56:16.000 Unbelievably big.

00:56:17.000 Yeah.

00:56:18.000 Music.

00:56:19.000 And her songs are like.

00:56:20.000 This much better than everybody else.

00:56:21.000 And I feel the same way about.

00:56:22.000 Taylor Swift.

00:56:23.000 Like you listen to everything.

00:56:24.000 And it just goes by.

00:56:25.000 And you hear a Taylor Swift song.

00:56:26.000 You sort of tap your feet.

00:56:27.000 Yeah.

00:56:28.000 Shake it off.

00:56:29.000 Yeah.

00:56:30.000 Shake it off.

00:56:31.000 Yeah.

00:56:32.000 And that one song of hers that I actually.

00:56:33.000 Half like.

00:56:34.000 As much as I like any.

00:56:35.000 Not a song like.

00:56:36.000 We are never ever getting back together.

00:56:37.000 You know.

00:56:38.000 I just think.

00:56:39.000 It's funny.

00:56:40.000 You know.

00:56:41.000 Even there's something very wholesome.

00:56:42.000 She had a song.

00:56:43.000 I didn't know her songs.

00:56:44.000 Until I saw this movie.

00:56:45.000 Some I recognized in the movie.

00:56:46.000 But.

00:56:47.000 It was a labor of labor.

00:56:49.000 Not a labor of love.

00:56:50.000 It was a labor of work.

00:56:51.000 It's a love of labor.

00:56:52.000 Yes.

00:56:53.000 And there's one about.

00:56:54.000 It's her like sexy song. 0.80

00:56:56.000 Yeah.

00:56:57.000 Where she's doing her like hot dance. 1.00

00:56:58.000 But even that.

00:56:59.000 She goes.

00:57:00.000 I don't know the words.

00:57:01.000 But it's something to the effect of.

00:57:02.000 The things we do.

00:57:03.000 You know.

00:57:04.000 When we're together.

00:57:05.000 And the things we do at night.

00:57:06.000 In my dreams.

00:57:08.000 And I thought.

00:57:09.000 Even that is kind of wholesome.

00:57:10.000 Because it's a degree removed.

00:57:11.000 Yeah.

00:57:12.000 It's not like.

00:57:13.000 Oh yeah.

00:57:14.000 Baby.

00:57:15.000 Put me up against the wall.

00:57:16.000 It's like.

00:57:17.000 You know.

00:57:18.000 Yeah.

00:57:19.000 Well to Taylor Swift.

00:57:20.000 To Taylor Swift.

00:57:21.000 And did I win the game Mr. Davies?

00:57:22.000 No.

00:57:23.000 You guys.

00:57:24.000 I did.

00:57:25.000 Yeah.

00:57:26.000 That's right.

00:57:27.000 This is a scam.

00:57:28.000 Here we go.

00:57:29.000 This is stop the steal all over again.

00:57:30.000 Stop the steal.

00:57:31.000 Here we go.

00:57:32.000 This is great.

00:57:33.000 Sidney Cross.

00:57:34.000 It's rigged.

00:57:35.000 We both won Drew.

00:57:36.000 We both won Drew.

00:57:37.000 In a spiritual way.

00:57:38.000 Yes.

00:57:39.000 Now do we have time for a cigar?

00:57:40.000 I won in the sense of.

00:57:41.000 I'm getting to leave.

00:57:42.000 Yes.

00:57:43.000 That's true.

00:57:44.000 Oh my god.

00:57:45.000 No.

00:57:46.000 Do I?

00:57:47.000 Nah.

00:57:48.000 You can skip it.

00:57:49.000 No.

00:57:50.000 I got a little time.

00:57:51.000 Here we go.

00:57:52.000 We're going to go have a cigar.

00:57:53.000 Bye.

00:57:54.000 See you next time.

00:57:55.000 Dailywire.com slash shop.

00:57:56.000 Go get the game.

00:57:57.000 Also buy his book.

00:57:58.000 Yeah.

00:57:59.000 Yeah.

00:58:00.000 The book is The House of Love and Death.

00:58:01.000 Buy it.

00:58:02.000 Get it.

00:58:03.000 It's good.

00:58:04.000 It's good.

00:58:05.000 It's good.

00:58:06.000 It's good.

00:58:07.000 Yeah.

00:58:08.000 It's good.

00:58:09.000 It's good.

00:58:10.000 It's good.

00:58:11.000 Hello.

00:58:12.000 Hello.

00:58:13.000 Thanks.

The Michael Knowles Show - December 13, 2023

Lesbians & Dad Bods： Real Answer and Real Drinks ｜ YES or NO with Andrew Klavan

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