Loser Does 100 Push-Ups LIVE! YES or NO： Michael Knowles Vs. Read Choi
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Yes or No: Is insulting an Italian woman's cooking still less dangerous than being near an Asian woman's driving? Host Alex Blumberg plays a game of "yes or no" with cigar maker Reed Joy to find out.
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Is insulting an Italian woman's cooking still less dangerous
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The fabulous battle to discover who knows whom better.
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He will select his answer away from my prying eyes.
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Neither of us has seen the questions beforehand.
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How did you sneak that lighter onto your airplane?
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Okay, so what you're smoking right now is the Mayflower Dusk,
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a magnificent cigar for Thanksgiving and Christmas,
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Because I was like, it's strong, but it's not so strong.
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So I had to choose a guest wrapper, but it's a filler, huh?
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And the binder, which throws people off, is Sumatra.
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Since you are a man of great taste, what's the wager?
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Or do I get like, is it like I do one, take a smoke break, go back, do my second, push-up?
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Yeah, I try, we try for great consistency in the actual rolling of them, on the thighs
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of virgins, obviously, and he's trying to pick up.
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Is insulting an Italian woman's cooking still less dangerous than being near an Asian woman
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Is an Italian woman's cooking less dangerous than being near an Asian woman driving?
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Okay, you have to put your answer there on the...
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You're good at reading people, so I have to time it while you're reading it.
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Because a spatula is less dangerous than a car.
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I drive with my aunt pretty consistently, and I can't think of a more dangerous thing
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to do, because she's got road rage, and my aunt's going to wash this.
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I'm not going to hear the end of it, but yeah, there should be like a public warning when
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my aunt drives, just like, hey, just, you know, keep it paid.
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Should there be a weight limit to be eligible for SNAP benefits?
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You know how much I had to practice to do that?
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I don't want to sound like a huge lib here or anything like that, but you know what the
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What the libs would say is, no, actually poor people are fatter because they don't have
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access to like all the healthy foods and stuff and they just eat McDonald's all day, whatever.
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And in fairness, I would have held that opinion five years ago, but now it's flipped and all the
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crunchy people are on the right and all the like pro-GMO, like corporate food people are on the left.
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And so to be consistent, I need to completely change my view.
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And that's why I will let the fatties have snap.
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Is surviving an overbearing religious upbringing harder than surviving UC Berkeley as a conservative?
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Oh, that's a great question because I had both.
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Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh.
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um you say no you say surviving a religious upbringing is harder than surviving well why
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how's that the libs now on campus like antifa will come and throw explosives at you so i went
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to berkeley during the um uh trump became president and the milo riots yeah yeah at berkeley
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right so that was probably like the most like dangerous time to be at berkeley but i didn't
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get hurt but like growing up at in a religious household i got hurt a lot just like spankings
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but it was good for you or no are you anti anti what corporal punishment yes no but that was like
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it was more abusive you know yeah okay you want to talk about that yeah okay kind of let's do it
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because i wondered about i'm like kind of a squish on it i don't you know i'm trad i'm i'm right wing
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um what was your upbringing like it was uh you know kind of a little bit cafeteria catholic not
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too not too tough but with a religious foundation okay but still my father was a vicar really yes
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sir it was a little more and korean you know then a lot did that repel you at all from religion oh
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absolutely it did like christians today i think what most christians deal with is they're able to
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understand the love of god but the reverence or the fear of god they struggle with i have it
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switched around reverence and fear i got it down to a t i understand that but love of god that
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that's that's you know that's the crux of it for me that's it's also very interesting that way
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because it's a reminder that no matter what you do no matter like you can plan it perfectly and you
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you're still your kids are gonna get a little screwed up you're gonna relax you're gonna be
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missing it's gonna be off balance a little bit because it's a fallen world yeah wow and then so
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you you rebelled against religion no yes i did i did so up until i was 15 i always thought when i
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got hit it was my fault it wasn't until i thought for myself at 15 i was like maybe they got something
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that they haven't dealt with maybe it's not every beating you get maybe it's not because it's something
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you did maybe it's something they haven't dealt with and then once i made that realization that
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really ticked me off yeah and then fell away from religion and then i fell back into it
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within the last four years how old are you 29 yeah i was kind of like that i was kind of i didn't get
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smacked i probably spanked like twice as a kid but so i didn't really have that but i did rebel like 13
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came back about 23 so would you so you would you would raise your kids religious oh yeah yeah would
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you give your kid a spanking or no i would but you would not not what i went through yeah you know
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there's i think there's a fine line and a very fine line but my parents didn't tread it that well
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yeah i got some stories man you got you've got yes you you've converted from the korean style of
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corporal punishment not to make light of it to the american it's a little looser yeah yeah yeah you know
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take your licks yeah okay all right that's right all right is the best way to know if you've
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entertain an angel is if they look like a black guy
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that was meant for you they might come back around they might boomerang
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yes oh i meant to click yes he meant to listen to this listen to this oh oopsie redo no
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don't he goes in my ear he says did he actually no he doesn't get the point i get the point for
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that uh yes well so you agree though angels often appear as black guys you want to hear the story or
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do you already know the story no i have i have stories about this though what's your you have
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stories about this yes do you do you have black guy angel story you have black guy angel stories yes
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multiple for me one time i was on the subway i'll keep them short one time i'm on the subway in new
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york in new york i'm going from uh i don't know call it 42nd street to no it wasn't that it was
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gosh it was like 33rd on the 6th train it was like 33rd to 28th queen in okay so i was a lot of a lot
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of asians in queens i so i'm anyway i'm on 33rd to 28th but i'm on the 6th line going from further up
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to further down guy gets on at 33rd with a woman both black sits down next to me i'm kind of returning
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to religion i'm having kind of numinous experience it's all weird he strikes up a conversation i'm just
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trying to read my book that's exactly wow yeah go ahead he goes hey uh what do you do and i was
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like at the time i was an actor in new york i said i'm an actor but what does that mean you know i don't
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know it's like it means i'm unemployed most of the time was it gabriel you no it was actually it was
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odd he he says to me he goes what's your name and i said uh michael he goes oh i'm michael too
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we're angels i said what yeah and then he goes well yeah don't worry about that don't worry about
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that acting thing you're going to be great 28th street comes he gets up doesn't look at the woman
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he came on with gets off the train and if you're not a new yorker you might not appreciate nobody
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gets on the train to go from 33rd to 28th or 28th to 33rd it's a very short you would just walk you
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would so it didn't make any sense another time i'm walking also in midtown east actually and this guy
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comes up to me i had this i won't go into the whole story but i had this thought on my mind
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this guy walks up to me and i walk fast walks up starts talking to me about the thing i was thinking
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about and then just walks away both black guys what is your black guy angel story wait wait what
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were you thinking about i was like so i'm what i guess a short version of it is i'm like in my early
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20s i'm returning to the church i'm thinking about all these sins and i'm thinking about lust in
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particular this guy comes up he goes he doesn't even ask me a question he just goes women they'll
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get you in trouble walks away no again it's like a it's like a funny line that a guy in new york i guess
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could say it was general enough it was but i was thinking about that at the moment yeah that's so
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cool man what so anyway what's yours sure four years ago i was going i was probably in the lowest
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point of my life right thinking about self-deletion and all that type of stuff and um lost a lot of
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people my career was on the line and i was taking care of this homeless lady i mean every every aspect
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of my life it seemed like god was taken away and i was praying to god like why how much more do you
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need to take away from me and then god replied how much more do i have to take away from you before
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you realize i'm the only thing that you had to begin with and i was like okay i got that all right
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sounds good and i was at a jacuzzi and la fitness just trying to unwind as one does and there's a
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he's a good looking dude you look angelic yeah yeah i was beyond anti-social at this point i did not
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want to talk to anybody but this guy comes up to me and the first thing he says to me is you know
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i have the voice of an angel i was like okay he was like you know what i think you should do i
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haven't told him anything about what i'm going through yeah just tells me i think you should
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every morning when you wake up go to a mirror and tell yourself i love you and i'm going to work
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on loving you better not knowing that in that time i knew that i did not love myself and i did not see
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myself as god deemed me worthy and so i started doing that right and it actually worked and then
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years later this this experience totally out of my head i'm not thinking about it at all just i think
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we're both nerds and so randomly as we do we search google for nerdy stuff and i'm like angelic
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encounters is there a common theme gabriel comes up and the most common description of gabriel
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a beautiful black man really yes sir dude that's crazy because i've like brothers over the years
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like i'll joke about it with my wife we'll like be like oh yeah we were you know i was at this
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restaurant there were a ton of angels there we're talking about black guys and we're like all these
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angels at the restaurant wherever and that is so i don't know that i've ever met i have another
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friend who who i've experienced these things with but i've never met like a separate person
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this is the first time i've ever experienced that yeah that's crazy i feel like that has to be god
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there's no there's no way this is a coincidence there are no mere coincidences
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so the question is thank you for laughing that would have been that would have been painful
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so the question is the question is if people can be born introverted does that also mean people
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can be born gay i have to guess how you would answer if people can be born introverted does that
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yeah what do you mean by that so i don't remember ever choosing to be straight
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i think i've always just liked women and i have a lot of gay friends and the way that they talk about
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it i i sincerely believe that they have had the same experience i've had just with the same sex
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but i've also seen people that clearly chose to do it because they told me verbatim that i'm choosing
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this lifestyle so i think it can be both but i do think at least some of them are actually born that
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way yeah i you know i not not to sound like a huge lib i mean i look obviously there's a lot of social
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conditioning here because if you go to prison you know it seems like a lot of people discover they
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were born gay in prison and they probably would not have otherwise uh and uh yeah nurture versus
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nature there's some there's a lot of that uh sexual trauma is associated with all of that
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plenty plenty of it or like going to public school in 2025 is you know severely associated with that
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but but it would seem totally plausible to me that people can be born with certain inclinations whether
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that comes from hormones or something like that like you know because then sometimes people say
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well god wouldn't have made you that way you know you wouldn't you're not born imperfect but i think
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well i don't know everybody everybody's born a little bit imperfect right you know people are
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missing everybody's stuff yeah so it so obviously there's the like prison or british boarding school
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kind of gay which is entirely a matter of nurture but i don't know there are probably some people like
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it reminds me of the verse you know the the power of the holy spirit is made perfect in our weakness
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our weaknesses are gift from god gifts from god so that we can rely on him more
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but i've i've found that the most productive conversations i've had with lgbtq has never been
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with shoving the bible down their throat but rather this one story and i can't tell you how many times
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i've had this same conversation and then these people become more interested in christianity because
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they've been fed a you're going to hell x y and z sin sin sin but the one i always tell them is
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the pharisees they bring a woman caught in the act of adultery to jesus trying to catch him in the
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and they bring her before him and they say rabbi we've caught this woman in the act of adultery and
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by the law of moses we have the right to stone her to death what say you and then jesus writes
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something on the ground and looks to them and says he who is without sin may cast the first stone
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and a lot of people think that the moral of that story is that we're all sinners so who are we to
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judge one another which is true but the one thing that i think a lot of people miss is that the one
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person who had every right to kill that lady right there right then and there chose not to
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and instead chose to love on that person and when i tell that story every single person that's lgbtq said
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i never thought of that way and you can see warmth in their approach to christianity i was never there
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it's led to beautiful conversations asking me to pray for them i have a crazy story about that i was
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like god i feel like you want me to pray for this person i don't know so you let me know and as soon
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as i said that prayer this person that was an lgbtq said i'm gonna ask you something but i'm afraid to
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ask you i was like what is that can you pray for me yeah what do you think he wrote people sometimes
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he lied over the fact that he you know they ask him rabbi what should we do and he writes in the
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ground and then he says let him who is without sin cast the first stone what does he write do you
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think i've heard that he just wrote the ten commandments but i've never thought about it that deeply
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you know that's actually a good answer i hadn't thought of it in those terms but one of the popular
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kind of pious traditions around that is that he wrote he wrote all of their sins
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oh that must have took a while right well the thing is that would have been the same thing
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in many ways right you know if you like when i when i go into confession and i do an examination
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of conscience i'm going through the ten commandments okay did i violate this commandment did i violate
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this commandment did i buy and all the different whether a thousand different ways you you could and
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likely do violate them but just you know if you because it it seems implausible if he just says
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well let him who is without sin cast the first stone if that's all that he said you wonder if the
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guys would say huh what yeah yeah sure i'm without sin he throws those first stone yeah whatever
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but once you start seeing wrath lust pride what seven deadly sins or the ten commandments or what
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then always you see oh yikes maybe and there are people i remember there's one time in college
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there was one of these like evangelical like you know has the board on his chest you know screaming
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about fire and brimstone kind of guys but i do think he had a spiritual gift because he's he
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we're all walking through is after class had let us there oh no god bless him he was there's a place
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for that too yeah totally because he it was amazing he was just standing there the cops were protecting
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him from the students and he's just pointing at each of them and calling out their sins and at yale
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uh 97 of the students are gay you know but he wasn't calling everywhere there you say look it's just
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the odds are in your favor if you just say i went to berkeley so i'm very similar yeah 96 but it wasn't he
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he was he was pointing and and he was right he was actually precise about hitting and i thought
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gay gay gay gay gay fat gay gay are you serious no no no it was kind of it was like it was like
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sodomy uh fornication gluttony whatever you know whatever it was and and he was right in the for the
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people that he was pointing to that i saw that i was around he was right and i remember thinking this
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guy's a little he's clearly a little unhinged or you know he's maybe he's super hinged and but he's
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you know he's more of a john the baptist figure yes and i said but he might have a spiritual gift and
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i went back i talked to my my roommate and i said he was raised kind of mega church evangelical cradle
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catholic actually later returned to the catholic church but he you know the evangelicals are a little
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more open to talking about these things and a lot of you think me as a protestant you'll see me in
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heaven i hope so no but like honestly well i think uh you are valid if you're validly baptized
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then you're christian in a in the broad sense of it but do i have to be baptized by someone from the
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catholic church or can't just be baptized no as long as you're baptized in the trinitarian formula
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with the okay with the proper matter you know like water it can't be in root beer say but if it's in
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water uh that's a valid baptism there is a fear though this is my fear for my protestant friends
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is that uh i do think you have to be in a state of grace and i think our lord gives us the sacraments
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to uh to remind us that the flesh matters and historicity matters and you know he's incarnate
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in a particular time in history he gives the apostles the power to forgive and to retain sins
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he institutes the eucharist in my reading uh and the traditional reading of the last supper and uh
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you know he institutes the sacraments and he says in john six you know whoever eats the flesh of
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the son of man who drinks his blood has life in him if you do not eat the flesh of the son of man
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and drink his blood you have no life in you and you know my flesh is real food and my blood is real
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drink and everyone goes away except for peter and he says to whom shall we go and the disciples
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and the apostles rather and so i do have this fear i'm not saying that you know protestants are going
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to hell or something like that i'm not i'm not going that far but i i am saying i think our lord
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gives us sacraments for a reason and i do think in our incarnate bodies what is a sacrament but the
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meaning of the physical and the metaphysical and i think it's very helpful for us and i think he does
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it for a reason and i do that this is my thought of the spiritual danger of a of religion that is
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absent authority and sacraments is that it it that it puts us in spiritual danger that's my real
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concern no doubt yeah there's a there's a delicate balance that i think you kind of pointed to where
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like in god blessing everything with imperfection that i found so people call me a closeted catholic
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which means i'm anglican yeah and um correct me if i'm wrong but i believe you and i would agree
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that protestants if there's one thing we lack it's uh reverence yeah i mean japan it's a broad brush
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but yes there is less a sense of reverence awe and wonder in in the liturgy where there is
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but there's also that delicate balance of like making sure that the sacraments or the liturgy doesn't
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become your god like the pharisees where like it's just too workspace and there has to be a healthy
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balance certainly with the liturgy i agree in catholics i'm a trad you know kind of tradty
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so i go to latin mass and i love the smells and bells and i think it's all actually very important
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but yes you don't want to make an idol of the liturgy with the sacrament well it's very clear
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that you do it because it makes you feel closer to god yes it lifts your eyes up to heaven i think
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but it's sacramental sometimes people could do you don't want to make an idol out of that
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with the sacrament though especially the blessed sacrament the eucharist
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i do treat the the blessed sacrament as god because i i really believe that's god yeah
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and as you should it's yes it's that's one of those where i think are we having like a
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transubstantiation yeah i believe obviously transubstantiation and i think it's one of
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these where you know some many of my protestant friends i say well why do i need all that and i
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think well i wouldn't approach it that way i would just think you know if it is plausible that the
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bread really is like his flesh in a meaningful way and there are all sorts of good philosophical
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arguments for this and theological arguments but if that's true then i would think of it less as like
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i have to go do this you get to yeah maybe this is an amazing grace that that christ has given us
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and like again like maybe it's worth trying it out right you know intellectually and maybe considering
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you know yeah all right you're up yes sir oh it's a video prompt do we watch the video first yes okay
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oh this is just regular shorts this is how i walk through the airport this is how i walk through
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the airport with these shorts on i have my robe on we were getting ready to board the plane and uh
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the lady at the front desk she stopped me and said you're not getting on a plane like that
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so i looked at her and i said like what she said with those shorts i said everybody here has
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on shorts what's the what's the problem with my shorts should anything less than business casual
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be kicked off an airplane in a tire like this woman should carry jail time
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well are you answering this seriously or to be funny let's grant to the author of the question
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got it wrong got it wrong yes i'm offended actually when well by that obviously and that
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woman probably should go to jail for many other reasons really yeah i'm sure i i want to i'm not
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saying stoning i'm not saying stoning i know we were talking about that earlier but maybe some jail
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time fashion jail fashion jail uh in in a literal prison but i travel a lot by plane i'm sure you travel
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a lot by plane and it used to be the case that you get on an airplane and people really dressed this
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was before i was born and then even when i was a kid people still dressed and you know maybe not suit
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and tie but they still dressed semi-decently and now where does that come from where does dressing
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properly come for you where you're always well dressed i try to because to dress well it doesn't
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you don't need to be a fop you don't need to be like a dandy or something like that but just to wear
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like a shirt that's not totally rumbled and like a jacket if you go to dinner or something a fop a fop
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a dandy it's a yeah a wop is a racial slender and when a wop wears a silly like top hat then he
00:27:25.580
would be a foppy wop but uh i think to to dress decently conveys respect for yourself and for other
00:27:34.000
people yeah and so i don't one like women should not be allowed outside in the lululemon tiny you
00:27:40.740
know like really tight leggings and stuff because that is bad for me that's really bad like i'm not
00:27:46.340
saying you have to wear a burka but like come on ladies it's tough for guys enough maintaining
00:27:49.780
custody of the eyes don't wear like underwear in public and that's the first part but then the
00:27:54.420
second part even beyond you know arousing someone what kind of society do we want to live in do we
00:27:59.820
all want to be in our pajamas all day do we all want to wear like gray drab clothing in some dystopian
00:28:03.980
novel or do we want to just dress in a way that's respectful you don't have to wear coat and tails
00:28:08.900
all you know all the time but i think standards are good and makes and actually make everyone
00:28:14.960
happier i would agree it's just when i when i think about that i think i think of when jesus said
00:28:22.180
it's better to enter heaven blind than to burn it you know so to pluck your eye carve out your eye
00:28:27.980
yeah my interpretation of that was that it's a lot harder to ask the world to change
00:28:33.880
than for you to change yourself yeah you know and so instead of asking that woman to dress properly
00:28:40.440
maybe just don't look but it's not hard to ask that woman to dress properly in the sense that
00:28:44.780
well they literally kicked her off the flight and i don't think they should have done that
00:28:48.140
why not it was easy to do it to your point it was easy enough to do it and since we have had
00:28:53.300
unless she smelled that's unforgivable she might have that as well i mean these these vices go hand
00:28:58.000
in hand but she was in a bathrobe so she probably bathed maybe when did she launder that bathrobe i don't
00:29:03.100
know i how does she all i have is the evidence that you have for that she is not a meticulous
00:29:06.960
person generally i'm not sure have you seen the shades have i seen the what the shades the shades
00:29:11.320
if anything that was a meticulous decision the shades oh you didn't see your shades was she
00:29:15.820
where i actually didn't get so what were you looking at i i just looked right out of her eyes
00:29:22.580
well this is it's sort of like it's kind of like being like hey don't michael don't think about
00:29:26.000
zebras don't think about zebras don't think about zebras this is a free country i'll think about
00:29:31.000
what are you thinking about right and i i just think like to bring it back to religion i'm with
00:29:35.700
thomas aquinas in as much as thomas oh on everything yeah really yeah but but aquinas fascinating
00:29:41.780
aquinas is asked in a in an ideal regime should should we um eliminate prostitution should we
00:29:47.880
outlaw prostitution and he very curiously he confounds the really hard rigid people and puritans
00:29:54.200
because he says well not necessarily because you should certainly circumscribe it you should
00:29:59.200
endeavor to get rid of prostitution but not everyone in a polity is of equal virtue yeah and
00:30:05.440
so if you if you push he was a neoliberal he was yeah yeah that might be the first time
00:30:10.140
thomas aquinas has been called a neolib but if you try to push people too hard you might snap them you
00:30:14.660
might make the problem worse they might be convulsed with lust and so in there might be a world in which
00:30:18.960
a small red light district is actually better at a certain period of time than trying to get rid of
00:30:24.000
prostitution overnight and that's kind of how i feel about these standards like we have had many
00:30:28.760
times for the majority of air travel people have not worn pajamas on airplanes and now people do
00:30:34.080
wear pajamas and that lady like very literally wore pajamas because it was the clothing you wear in your
00:30:38.640
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by the way i am very impressed not only did you house that mayflower cigar but then you're digging into
00:32:26.520
the personal humi for the follow-up which look at that beautiful you know you did you get to smoke the one i gave you
00:32:31.940
i have not smoked it yet i i did you want to i got an oil for you no you didn't yes no you don't yes
00:32:37.580
sure no i would be i guess i would be rude to say no although you're smoking much faster than i am
00:32:42.540
you're cardinal shin you know what do you cardinal shin yeah you're right all right you see there's
00:32:46.120
boys and then there's men you're right i'm taking too long on my mayflower great stick though thank you
00:32:52.080
since it would be so rude you've slurped this one up very quick this is like you know who smokes like
00:32:56.940
that is sebastian gorka who's the counterterrorism guy at the white house seb gorka he just like takes
00:33:01.780
a cigar just slurps the whole thing up yeah one puff and then moves on to the second stick i
00:33:07.640
i can't wait to move on to my second stick first though i'm actually winning it's michael
00:33:13.780
number one with one point read negative three which means i might evade negative three but there but in
00:33:20.540
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for the rapid fire round three questions 30 seconds no time to outthink each other let's take it away
00:34:00.720
wait i go first okay is it morally acceptable for christian actors to perform romantic relationships
00:34:07.920
on camera you would say yes i would we talk about that later this rapid fire in your opinion is it
00:34:15.000
more likely that tiktok is simply built to maximize profit by feeding users the most compelling content
00:34:18.900
possible rather than being an intentionally designed weapon used by the chinese government
00:34:22.160
the cia or the deep state for spying and mind control propaganda so tiktok's just about making
00:34:26.780
money it's not about pushing propaganda from bad actors
00:34:29.680
ah you're so shoot all right you said yeah i think it's i think it's propaganda
00:34:34.680
many critics accuse michael of being a hypocrite and it's got nothing to do with his politics
00:34:44.820
it's because he's out here preaching discipline while being a butter soft guinea who writes this
00:34:49.020
this is so offensive a butter soft i meant it to be this is complimentary yeah yeah hold on
00:34:54.620
it's because he's a butter soft guinea who hasn't cared about lifting any large weight since he stopped
00:35:00.340
pushing chris christie in the primaries you're gonna say yes i got it wrong ah man shoot i might be
00:35:10.320
i'm like might be losing now okay they also call me you know why they call me a hypocrite
00:35:14.520
the chief criticism i get on this is because i i promote cigars and i have smoked cigars for 20
00:35:20.120
years and i have a cigar company and i don't like the old sin spinach you know i'm talking about
00:35:25.400
left-handed cigarettes you know what i mean talking about the peruvian parsley the old california cumin
00:35:31.020
you know what i mean the devil's lettuce i'm talking about pot
00:35:33.940
they call me a hypocrite i don't think it's hypocritical they're different things have you
00:35:40.700
ever played the devil i have played the devil actually i did i feel like you'd make a good
00:35:44.980
devil that might is that a compliment you got charm all right i'll take that you know what i mean
00:35:51.780
yeah i have played the devil it was actually one of my favorite roles i ever played yeah i want to
00:35:55.380
play the devil so bad yeah it's pretty it's pretty fun you don't want to be too strong i've never met
00:36:02.060
the devil i did interview or a demon has met the devil uh i i think i've because when we say double
00:36:08.080
we mean the big guy right yeah okay have you met one of the smaller guys i definitely have gotten
00:36:14.520
glimpses of the demonic and i may have heard a demon one time but i'm not sure i i a couple times
00:36:21.220
have had sleep paralysis which could be a a purely physical uh phenomenon there was one occasion in
00:36:28.140
which i think it might have been more than just physical and i heard i think i heard a demon but
00:36:33.220
i'm not totally confident so i don't want to want to talk about it well no it was just one i mean
00:36:37.580
that's the story i woke i woke up one time i was in my bed in la la which is gomorrah by the sea as
00:36:41.700
you well know babylon babylon sleep paralysis for those who haven't experienced it is when you're
00:36:46.480
you're awake but you can't move but you're conscious and you're away and you're you're not exactly
00:36:50.380
dreaming but sometimes you can hear things or see things or and i and i've heard harrowing stories
00:36:55.740
of this you rarely have good sleep paralysis i noticed no one ever has sleep paralysis and it's
00:37:00.020
like the ice cream man giving you a popsicle uh and i heard ice cream man giving him a popsicle
00:37:05.600
yeah which is out of his nature handsome dude holy yeah
00:37:08.780
wait is that handsome is he you are too yeah that is that are you auditioning to play the devil
00:37:18.700
is that what this is is this uh have you have you met the devil the devil no but i've i've seen
00:37:25.260
some demons i've seen a demon once how i was uh with my friend group and there was one that was
00:37:32.540
clearly going through a really tough time and my friends uh decided to leave in the living room and
00:37:37.660
so it was just me and this person and i was just like washing some dishes right and then they go read
00:37:41.840
yeah and i look up right and for about one to two seconds it wasn't that person's face it was just
00:37:48.740
like like a goat like an evil goat just for about two seconds and then went right back to her face
00:37:54.620
and i was like whoa so do you because you know the kind of traditional view of these things is that
00:38:01.200
there are different ways that demons try to mess with us and the most the clearest way is they just
00:38:05.540
try to tempt us and then sometimes they you know vex us and they obsess us and other and then the i think
00:38:11.400
the most common way that the devil approaches the individual is through sympathy they understand
00:38:16.700
what you're going through like michael that's hard i'm sorry about it yeah let me pour you a drink man
00:38:22.100
yeah tell me about it yeah man exactly to make you laugh a little bit you want to have some fun
00:38:29.560
you know just let off some steam brother like that i interviewed an exorcist uh father rehill
00:38:35.320
and he mentioned that he's met the devil twice and one time the devil did exactly that he was he was
00:38:41.280
going out too much he was working in wall street and he was he said his father is upsetting his life
00:38:46.000
and so he has he's reverting to the church and he was talking to a priest in a confession priest
00:38:51.340
basically gave him a way to stop drinking even as he continued to have to do these business deals
00:38:56.080
and uh as he walks out of the church there's a guy in new york and it's right down actually where i
00:39:00.960
used to live in new york in the financial district and a church where i've confessed and he walks out
00:39:05.880
and this handsome looking dude is there and he walks right it was him it was him actually it was
00:39:10.820
him yeah and he no he walks over to him and in new york people don't really like look stop and look at
00:39:15.480
each other all that much this guy's looking right out and walks over grabs him by the arm and says hey
00:39:19.160
buddy let's go get a drink and father rehill not yet a priest it's like terrified bolts goes a block
00:39:28.200
or two up to his apartment right in the area looks down the guy's staring up looking right at him
00:39:32.860
laughing you think well that's pretty persuasive you know i'm pretty sure yeah so do you think
00:39:37.060
your friend was was possessed well funny enough in the catholic literature there's levels of
00:39:41.700
possession yes right that's why i was kind of minor complete i think she was just being tormented
00:39:58.640
correct ah yeah i'm not saying it's easy but it's simple
00:40:06.040
yeah yeah yeah and you got to make sure like a lot of other things are just online first
00:40:11.440
is legalism online slowing the spread of christianity more than antinomianism oh
00:40:18.320
hmm so do you think legalism is that prominent online i don't right i think what my very evangelical
00:40:26.820
producer means is you know any kind of i i think he means any focus on like the rules or sin at all
00:40:37.260
basically as the you know because legalism and antinomianism would be two opposite errors
00:40:41.300
i think he means maybe a focus on rules and sin versus kind of brushing aside and saying oh it's
00:40:47.220
all good it's all fine there's no sin don't worry about it no no yeah that's no and i properly
00:40:52.780
interpreted my confused producer okay oh boy japan deserved to be nuked
00:41:02.520
okay if you're trying to be humorous you'd say yes but i think if you were
00:41:12.980
they did deserve it though i'm not saying i support it the reason i would say they deserve to be nuked is
00:41:19.180
because we all deserve to be nuked because we we all deserve death that's what we get and it's only
00:41:23.780
through god's grace that's actually pretty good how you like that that was yeah that was no we
00:41:28.840
have to look at the count that's an inside joke good that was good yeah because i don't i i have
00:41:35.080
i have kind of complex feelings on the nuking of of hiroshima and nagasaki and i i kind of think
00:41:41.000
it's not morally justified correct however in the grand scheme of things we all deserve death
00:41:45.280
bit of a cop-out but it's a little bit of a cop-out but i got my point uh okay it's time
00:41:48.780
for the final round the prompt will be read we will both lock in our answers then move our glasses
00:41:56.080
to yes or no good looking guys see if we can why are there so many good looking guys
00:42:00.260
if we can read each other's minds this round is worth double points it could change everything wow
00:42:07.060
so the score it's tightened up michael zero and read negative two this is a this is the kind of game
00:42:13.940
where you may basically just want to break even okay uh so then is the book of james
00:42:19.860
a solid defense of protestantism in what way my thoughts exactly is the book of james a solid
00:42:28.580
defense of protestantism is james your favorite book too i don't know if i'd say my favorite but
00:42:34.360
it's up there it's definitely up there i love i love the book of james i love it you too really
00:42:38.460
i memorized it really yeah no way you're shocked okay hold on i'm not saying anything else until
00:42:46.760
no yeah obviously yeah you love the book why do you love the book of james i think it is the handbook
00:42:55.980
for christians like straight to the point if you want to be a christian a lot of your questions will
00:43:03.040
be answered in this book great yeah that's a great view of it because i i do like it's funny
00:43:08.140
it's a question hand too and it show it's like it's like hemiway wrote it you know there's there's
00:43:13.020
no it's pretty blunt it's very direct yes i you know it's funny because i sometimes i i figured the
00:43:18.900
question would be is the book of james a defense of catholicism because it mentions the importance
00:43:23.140
of works as you know following from faith and all that but so the way it was written it was an
00:43:28.280
easier answer yeah but yes i and i you're right there is a kind of maybe maybe it's a kind of
00:43:33.920
jewish bluntness that you're getting out of james you know it's just like hey guys here's how it is
00:43:38.640
i'm not ink you know you read the gospel of john and you know this is the most high-minded theology you
00:43:44.320
can imagine is john your favorite gospel yes so you like a high christianism yes yeah um i love john
00:43:50.880
i do yes of course of course this is we're so close we can actually almost finish each other's
00:43:56.160
sandwiches all right we'll try it again in the next episode that but i love but it's like you
00:44:00.120
read these books uh luke you know you get these beautiful images these very vivid pictures you
00:44:04.920
know and all but yeah with james it's just like hey hey this is it uh-uh yeah that's good yeah i
00:44:12.820
once a great priest friend of mine pointed out he said michael uh i think you might have written this
00:44:17.820
in a book or something he said if anyone ever tells you that they understand the book of the
00:44:23.400
apocalypse you know the book of revelations uh you can be certain that is a crazy person
00:44:28.320
it's like quantum physics it's like quantum physics it's a little less rules like nobody
00:44:34.180
knows what they're talking about all right what's your favorite passage from james
00:44:38.560
uh well probably faith without works is dead uh followed by man is justified by works and not by
00:44:46.820
faith alone which is a very now you know just the meaning of justification there is very important
00:44:52.480
and there are like disagreements i think there's misunderstanding about what is meant by
00:44:56.900
justification you know between various sort of sects and religious views talk about it well
00:45:01.640
meaning where would you land because the because the general protestant uh interpretation of that
00:45:07.180
is taking sola fide as you know a doctrinal matter of faith um you know the catholic rejoinder to
00:45:13.920
that is luther added the word faith alone or added the word alone to the bible um and the only time
00:45:19.680
that the phrase faith alone appears is actually in james and in and there it says just a man is
00:45:24.360
justified by works and not by faith alone but this is not to say that man saves himself this is not to
00:45:29.720
say that we have a pelagian religion the proof of our faith the proof of our pudding is in our works
00:45:34.240
yes and god you know god's grace is entirely what comes down the mountain and reaches out to you
00:45:39.760
but there's a recognition that you do have the free will to cooperate with that grace or or not to
00:45:45.420
you know you have that freedom as our first ancestors did yeah okay your last one last one
00:45:50.600
you read it okay this could change everything hold on before we get to that i wanted to since
00:45:55.600
you loved what's what is your favorite passage from james my brothers and sisters whenever you
00:46:00.460
face trials and tribulations of any kind consider it pure joy for you know that the testing of your
00:46:04.760
faith produces endurance and let endurance have its full effect on you making mature and complete
00:46:09.420
but if any of you like anything this is why i love james because i can just say it
00:46:14.100
and it's you wouldn't you wouldn't know it's like a conversation i was coding it but if you'd like
00:46:17.520
anything ask the lord for he gives to all ungrudgingly and graciously and it will be given
00:46:22.240
to you but ask in faith never in doubt for the one who doubts it's like a wave of the sea being
00:46:28.160
driven and tossed by the ocean for the doubter is unstable minded and must not expect to receive
00:46:34.860
anything from the lord it's so great it's it's it's so beautiful yeah yes you're right and there
00:46:42.960
there there is this feeling that you're asking advice from a wise friend or mentor who knows he's
00:46:48.600
like yeah here's how it is but don't misunderstand me and but you know actually hold on let me clarify
00:46:54.060
i already know what you're thinking and let me yes it's so that's beautiful yeah it also touches on
00:46:59.940
the fact that hey when you choose a christian life and it's kind of like when i evangelize people
00:47:06.040
when they say they want to be christian i'm like are you sure because you're asking for a lot right now
00:47:10.880
because you're part of the world right now and it's cushy but when you join this side you're on
00:47:16.920
the enemy's radar and things are going to get tough and you should expect it and then you get
00:47:21.920
like psalm 22 when you're allowed to lament to the lord you know that's that's the beautiful part
00:47:27.180
and james same thing yeah good image too it's kind of like it's like putting your head up above the
00:47:32.380
trenches like are you sure because you got your head below the trenches right now and the bullets are
00:47:36.280
just whizzing by and you're going to die eventually by the way when the enemy troops come and just
00:47:40.140
come in and like pike you with a bayonet and it's a little manipulative too because people want what
00:47:43.680
they can't have yes are you sure you want this buddy you want this it's a lot it's a lot it's
00:47:48.880
really hard it will make you feel heroic yeah yeah but do you want it it's the calm in the storm but
00:47:53.960
there is that storm okay you're up here we go this could change everything ben said to expect the k-pop
00:48:00.120
demon hunters question so this is the last one this has it better be it
00:48:03.560
is k-pop demon hunters okay are you a prophet you know i have an interesting theory
00:48:10.520
it coincides with intelligence and you're intelligent man i have this theory i feel like that god's
00:48:18.540
purpose for gifting not everyone to be intelligent but just some people to be more intelligent than
00:48:24.100
others is that we're given intelligence so that we can go out into the esoteric understand the
00:48:30.300
esoteric but then be able to filter that down for the common it's a full relationship too many
00:48:36.380
intelligent people can understand the esoteric but they're not able to filter it down the example
00:48:41.360
that i would give would be like very like virtuoso music like jacob collier clearly a music savant
00:48:48.280
clearly a music genius but his music isn't for everybody but like someone like um prince yeah you
00:48:55.180
know clearly understood everything there was to be about music but his music anybody can listen to
00:49:01.220
and you come across it and you think i'm feeling something i don't know why that's that filtering
00:49:05.960
down yeah or even even thinking within like traditional orchestration like a john williams
00:49:11.360
you know john williams who's the most important classical-ish musician of our age
00:49:15.800
of our day yeah every everybody can come a john williams tune you know and it's very popular and
00:49:22.440
it and it is quite simple and simple yes he loves that two two factor beat yeah well how how do you
00:49:29.820
because one do you know that you're intelligent that you're smarter than the average i think i have
00:49:34.980
reasonable intelligence but i i i think i'm intelligent enough to know that there are many many
00:49:39.840
many more intelligent people than i but i yeah i agree it's one of a false modesty i think i'm probably
00:49:44.700
reasonably intelligent okay but not but i remember where would you put yourself uh if it was first
00:49:51.120
percentile to 99th percentile use your drink yeah that's okay this is this is first percentile this
00:49:57.740
99th percentile and here's right here on on the count of the yard line on the count of three yeah
00:50:02.240
of how intelligent and you're gonna say how intelligent you think you are i think you are
00:50:06.620
okay i would say i'm okay one one two three right about here i'd say about 75 that's it you're
00:50:14.480
putting me you're putting me at like 95 you're off really stop it go on take an iq test how handsome
00:50:20.120
am i no that's what you're on it all right well that's very kind i appreciate that's very that's
00:50:25.980
very kind but don't think you're gonna butter me up so that i lose the last question because that's
00:50:30.120
that might happen that actually might have happened already okay it's k-pop demon hunters though
00:50:36.140
obviously a crowning achievement of cinema a net negative because it will only feed into the growing
00:50:42.120
ai animate porn that's destroying the minds of young men a crowning achievement of cinema
00:50:48.380
i actually talked to a pastor yesterday that said that it's a very christian story
00:50:52.900
you agree i've only seen half of it i've only seen half of it and there is mary is insisting
00:50:59.440
that okay you saw the whole thing it is good you know who you hold on before oh before let's do
00:51:06.600
the answer before so i don't give away my answer
00:51:09.860
you've got a mr rogers vibe going on yeah well yeah i you know there's i love mr rogers something
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really i do i honestly do really it's a great great figure i'm gonna make my kids watch him
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yeah that when i have him is there a new is there a new mr rogers kirk cameron's close
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no iggy and mr kirk maybe i don't okay mr rogers is a singular figure okay
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a net net net negative because he says lock in my answer i don't know my i don't know my own
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answer oh i'm gonna pretend it's like a chess tournament i'm waiting for you to move yeah
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three two one correct i don't think it's a crowning achievement of cinema though i've only seen half of
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it it i don't think it's a net negative i don't think it's a net negative i feel like there was like
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a race thing okay i'll tell you what happened this is if it was italian pop demon hunters it'd be
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different there there so the issue is i went in i thought it was just some like fluffy cartoon movie
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and then a buddy of mine who i to my own detriment respect he came in and he said you have to watch it
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it's actually very good it has a very interesting thesis and it's very and so then i went from no
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expectations to very high expectations and in the half that i watched it actually i was over so
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yeah yeah and i heard that it gets much better in the second half okay i went into a super low
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expectation yes that's the better way to do it yeah are you a singer i uh in the shower and with
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ukulele but not a very good singer do you play any instruments i do i do i play i play like every
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instrument at the level of a pretty good 13 year old so i'm not i'm your journey good yeah i'm a
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journeyman yeah i thought it was i mean i did come into it with low expectations um but then
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like the songwriting itself i mean it's like you can just listen to the soundtrack it's impressive
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pop music right yeah yeah yeah exactly why is it christian there's the devil there's the you know
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yeah so um this isn't my thesis so i wouldn't say 100 agree with it but what the pastor said was
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basically modern cinema there's a placating to the fact that there isn't an absolute evil
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that they try to say that like well kind of catering towards the anti-hero and all that type of stuff
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whereas in this story there's an obvious bad and then there's an obvious good and there's someone
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that struggles with being in between the lines but then ultimately choosing good and then at the
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end there's a oh wow that that scared the crap out of me the oh elizabeth warren in the corner
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yeah yeah it's our folk honest yeah that's the second time that happened she scares a lot of
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people um there's a christ-like sacrifice of like giving my life for you that happens at the end
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and so once he told me that i was like i can see your point spoiler alert oh crap my bad well i
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it's okay i wasn't gonna finish it but now i'm actually maybe i will you sort of persuaded me that
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maybe i should okay so this means oh thank goodness thank goodness this means the final score
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is four to two which means that i do not need to do more push-ups than i have done
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cumulatively in the last five years today and that means that my giga chad friend over here will have
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to do a hundred push-ups which he's probably already done today go check out reed on all social media
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platforms that is at reed choy r-e-a-d like you do to a book reed choy so that you can enjoy content
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like this jesus christ oh my god wow okay i see how it is oh come on jesus it's not like that it's a
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minute long oh no i'm sorry you can't take a minute out of your day to spend time with me i get it i
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mean i died for you for three days what do i know except for everything come on don't be like that
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it's a minute long the other videos are like 15 seconds so it's like four videos long hey choose
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me or the world right go ahead let the devil win me not watching one video about you is not the same
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thing as letting the devil win yes it is oh come on you're on his side now oh wow shocker i'm right
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again see how much easier it'd be if you just listen to me video's not even that good half of it is like
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heresy i think it is written that i shall give you a spirit of discernment if you watch the video you
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would have known that already okay okay i'll watch this stupid video is everybody happy now i honestly
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don't know why you bother with him he gets tempted and manipulated so easily bro why are you even here
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oh i i quite like your kimchi so i'm gonna go get that
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ah yes yes here we go all right see you later lucy has always been so strange
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74 75 he got 75 during the video he got 75 during the video no 78 79 80 81 81 81 during the video
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all right well i guess a 3 a 4 a 5 a 6 86 86 quick up
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that was legitimately it was very impressive not only was it a hundred push-ups just back to back
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right away during the show it was also after a bunch of whiskey oh yeah reed an immense pleasure
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thank you i'm i'm shocked i i laughed i cried i will see all of you next time let's do it again
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i'm so you know what about the show it's there so it's there so it's there so it's met