The Michael Knowles Show - June 26, 2021


Michael Knowles DEBUNKS Fatphobia TikToks

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fat phobia body positivity fatphobia logic weight loss and accessibility fat phobia oppression
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Michael Knowles
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Good Ranchers Skinny Michael Tick Thad
Ep. 793 - Using Government For Good Ep. 794 - White Rage Against The Machine

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Fatphobia is a new scourge afflicting America, and it's getting even crazier than racism, sexism, homophobia, and homophobia. Is fatphobia a new form of racism? Is it a new type of sexism, or is it just another form of homophobia?

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00:00:37.580 Hey everybody, Michael here.
00:00:39.300 I know you've all heard about the scourges of racism and sexism and this-ism and that-ism,
00:00:44.240 but one of the isms and the phobias that you might not have heard too much about is fat phobia.
00:00:50.620 This is real.
00:00:51.400 This is a real thing.
00:00:52.240 I'm not making it up.
00:00:53.040 People are invading against fat phobia and they're making some pretty strange arguments to do it.
00:01:01.300 We have ranked all of the arguments from craziest to even more craziest about fat phobia.
00:01:09.680 Take a listen.
00:01:10.220 There are plenty of reasons we are told to hate America today. 0.95
00:01:15.160 America is racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, all sorts of phobias and various things we're told.
00:01:23.340 But there's a new one on the list and you might not have heard about it yet. 0.90
00:01:26.320 My producer has been getting a lot of these videos.
00:01:28.580 He wants me to react to the new great scourge affecting America, fat phobia.
00:01:35.100 Let's take the fat phobia face on.
00:01:38.320 Hey, bestie.
00:01:39.300 Oh, gosh.
00:01:40.820 You're wrong.
00:01:42.740 I think it's time for another adult pre-K lesson.
00:01:45.320 What do you think?
00:01:46.660 All right.
00:01:47.600 Why do they all talk like this?
00:01:49.020 You catch a bubble in your mouth.
00:01:52.280 Good job.
00:01:54.060 Okay, here's the thing.
00:01:55.400 Catch a bubble.
00:01:55.980 That's what I'm saying.
00:01:56.320 Having a preference is something like,
00:01:58.860 I'm looking for a partner who likes kayaking or wakes up early in the morning or loves pizza.
00:02:08.320 But when your preferences exclude an entire group of marginalized people, that's problematic.
00:02:13.440 Okay, that's not nice.
00:02:15.060 That's not a preference.
00:02:16.400 If you lump all fat people in one group together as though they are not very different individuals, that's fat phobic. 0.99
00:02:24.240 Just like lumping all black people in one group and saying, I don't like black people is racist. 0.98
00:02:28.360 And lumping all disabled people in one group and saying, I don't think people in wheelchairs are hot is ableist. 0.94
00:02:34.540 Do you understand what I'm saying?
00:02:36.780 Why do they always do that creepy, like giggly, you know, really intense? 0.90
00:02:41.140 All of the left, I'm not saying all the fat people.
00:02:43.500 Who are you calling those people?
00:02:45.380 What do you mean, you people? 0.51
00:02:47.180 No, I'm not referring to fat people.
00:02:48.540 I'm saying all the radical leftists do that sort of thing.
00:02:51.120 It's just that giggle, ha ha ha, very intense. 0.61
00:02:52.860 Her claim, of course, is that if you're not attracted to fat people, that you're a bigot.
00:02:58.680 If you're not attracted to any group, then your preference ceases to be a preference.
00:03:03.880 Now, I don't quite understand that illogic there.
00:03:06.600 It would still be a preference.
00:03:07.540 It's just a preference she doesn't like.
00:03:09.100 But what if I say, look, I'm a man.
00:03:11.580 I identify as super straight.
00:03:13.100 That's a new sexual identity.
00:03:15.020 And I'm not attracted to other men.
00:03:17.100 By her definition, I'm now a bigot.
00:03:19.900 In a way, I guess I am a bigot.
00:03:21.360 I knew it.
00:03:22.380 I am closed-minded in as much as I'm excluding some people from my preferences.
00:03:27.220 But let's take it further because she compares it to race.
00:03:29.820 And she says it's racist, you know, if you're not attracted to every single
00:03:32.860 race, if a Japanese guy wants to marry a Japanese girl, right? 0.55
00:03:37.560 He's more attracted to Japanese girls than he is to, say, Nigerian girls or Scandinavian
00:03:43.640 girls.
00:03:44.460 Is he a racist for that?
00:03:46.100 I don't think that's racist.
00:03:47.620 If a Jew wants to marry another Jew, is that racist?
00:03:50.920 That's, you know, you always hear that a Jewish mother always wants to make sure her daughter 0.93
00:03:54.360 marries a nice Jewish boy.
00:03:55.300 Is that racist?
00:03:55.980 I guess in a way, yeah, sort of.
00:03:58.620 But is there something wrong about that for people to feel attraction to certain groups
00:04:03.840 and not to other groups?
00:04:04.960 I don't think so.
00:04:06.080 But the radical liberation of this ideology, you know, that you see in radical feminism,
00:04:12.520 radical sexual revolution stuff, you know, LGBT, radical this, radical that, demands that
00:04:19.360 we be open to everything and not have any preferences.
00:04:23.100 Ironically, she's saying, she's denying my lived experience.
00:04:26.580 She's saying, if you have this preference, then you're some sort of bigot.
00:04:30.940 Not very persuasive, even if we all catch a bubble in our mouth and listen, not very convincing.
00:04:36.800 Next one.
00:04:37.460 For the millionth time, body positivity is not a movement about health.
00:04:42.120 So when you bring health into it, you are being fat phobic. 0.74
00:04:46.180 The body positive movement was created by fat black women in the 60s. 1.00
00:04:50.380 To one, create a safe space for fat people to address systemic fat phobia and fat oppression.
00:04:58.240 Because nine times out of ten, fat people are not treated like people in 95% of situations.
00:05:03.640 And it was also created to challenge, oh good light, society's unrealistic beauty standards.
00:05:10.780 And to showcase that beauty is not dictated by your size.
00:05:14.660 Guess what?
00:05:15.500 None of those things have to do with health.
00:05:17.320 So when you bring health into a movement that is not about health, ring-a-ding-ding, that's fat phobia. 0.98
00:05:24.940 So f***ing cut it out. 0.80
00:05:26.640 This is the worst example of when you put a vertical video on a screen and then they put the thing. 0.99
00:05:33.920 It looks like multiple of this woman are just screaming at me every second. 1.00
00:05:38.560 It's fat phobia, she says, to suggest that maybe people be healthy.
00:05:44.400 She says the fat acceptance movement, the body positivity movement is not about health.
00:05:48.820 Like ding-ding-ding, you're right. 0.98
00:05:50.260 It's not about health.
00:05:51.240 But it ought to be.
00:05:52.320 You know, we ought to be able to say that it's not good.
00:05:54.520 If you're too skinny, we would call that anorexic and say you've got to beef up a little bit.
00:05:58.060 And if you're extremely overweight, then, you know, it's not the end of the world.
00:06:02.000 You're going to do what you're going to do.
00:06:03.300 But it might be good to get into a healthier position.
00:06:06.000 But we're not allowed to have standards at all.
00:06:07.980 Right?
00:06:08.120 Forget about just, she's just focusing on standards of beauty. 1.00
00:06:10.420 But we're not even allowed to have standards of health.
00:06:13.020 We're not allowed to say that one thing is healthier than another thing.
00:06:15.760 We're not allowed to say that one thing looks better than another thing.
00:06:19.000 The standards have to go away according to the left.
00:06:22.060 Because for the left, everything is, for the extreme left, I should say, everything is just a product of social construction.
00:06:28.420 So if you can redefine the words, you can redefine reality itself.
00:06:32.500 And this woman is very upset because no matter how much we redefine all of our words, these physical realities continue to exist.
00:06:41.560 And they don't like that very much.
00:06:42.960 Back to the fatphobia.
00:06:44.080 I don't know if this qualifies for no nuance November, but it's a point I really want to make.
00:06:49.360 Tick-tock fatphobes edition.
00:06:51.460 Now, while individuals such as myself having confidence in the people we are and the bodies we inhabit is not a proven contributor to obesity.
00:06:58.900 In fact, it's shown that self-confidence can help you make more positive behavioral changes.
00:07:03.020 Fat shaming, on the other hand, and yes, this includes health shaming, especially that of children and adolescents, is proven to cause further weight gain.
00:07:10.540 And yes, is recognized as a contributor to obesity. 0.87
00:07:14.080 What I'm getting to, you tiresome trolls, is that you, in fact, are the ones promoting obesity.
00:07:21.720 Ooh, them facts is spicy! 0.81
00:07:24.400 This is a really confusing one because there's this lady who's making the fatphobia points. 1.00
00:07:29.940 And then there's another lady who's, like, cheering her on in the side of the video.
00:07:33.760 And I didn't know if she was being ironic or something.
00:07:35.720 Her argument here is a little different than the other one.
00:07:37.940 The other ladies were saying it's really good to be super fat. 1.00
00:07:40.680 That's, like, awesome and there's nothing wrong with that.
00:07:42.360 This lady is saying it's wrong for you to say it's wrong to be super fat because you'll encourage people to be super fat, which is wrong. 0.99
00:07:51.020 Do you see how perverse that logic is?
00:07:54.020 Because I at least, I get the argument, the main fatphobia argument is no standards whatsoever.
00:07:59.880 Don't you dare tell anyone that they should put down the cupcake.
00:08:02.240 The new version that this lady's putting out there is if you tell someone to put down the cupcake, they won't. 1.00
00:08:08.780 And that's bad because people should put down the cupcake.
00:08:11.460 So this one's actually making the kind of conservative point.
00:08:14.120 But she's using this weird logic of saying if you encourage people to lose weight, they won't do it.
00:08:18.540 You need to use reverse psychology or something.
00:08:20.480 It's very similar to the people who say, you know, if you want abortion rates to go down, you need to have a lot of legal abortion.
00:08:27.560 And then actually, when there's a lot of legal abortion, people have fewer abortions, which is just not true.
00:08:32.520 But also, it's a kind of, you're giving away the game and you're saying, yeah, abortion is bad.
00:08:37.940 We should have less of it.
00:08:38.960 And you're just kind of trying to agree with the basic argument of conservatives to advocate for your policy.
00:08:45.520 Well, that's what this lady is doing here. 1.00
00:08:47.580 This is much less persuasive than the other gals before. 0.98
00:08:51.020 Okay, next up.
00:08:52.780 Weight loss is a privilege because it takes time and it takes money, which not everybody has access to.
00:08:57.820 Now, do most people have the time to fit some kind of exercise into their day?
00:09:00.500 Yes, it doesn't take long to go on a quick walk.
00:09:02.240 And when I was a server, I walked all day at work.
00:09:04.400 But in some instances, if you are very low income, it can be very hard to lose weight.
00:09:08.260 And here's why.
00:09:09.080 You work maybe three or four jobs on your way home.
00:09:11.300 You don't have time to cook, so you pick up fast food.
00:09:12.980 And then once you get home, you have to attend to your five children.
00:09:15.000 And all the money that you made during that day has to go to them.
00:09:17.440 So you have no time to go on a walk, no money to get a gym membership.
00:09:19.520 And you have to resort to fast food because that's all you can have time for.
00:09:22.740 So if you really care about the health of fat people like you say that you do, here's some things that you can advocate for.
00:09:26.540 Yeah, she seems really happy, right?
00:09:52.220 She obviously, this woman's very happy, just like all these radicals, very, very happy.
00:09:56.900 No, probably not.
00:09:58.040 She says you need fancy gym membership to lose weight.
00:10:01.240 You need, you know, a delivery service from Whole Foods.
00:10:04.880 No, you don't.
00:10:05.760 No, you don't.
00:10:06.240 What you do need is discipline.
00:10:08.080 And that's hard.
00:10:09.060 And there are different points in people's lives and they've got more discipline or less discipline.
00:10:13.020 But do you know how you lose weight?
00:10:14.700 You just eat less.
00:10:15.640 That's how.
00:10:16.100 How dare you?
00:10:17.360 Now, I'm not saying that you must lose weight.
00:10:19.920 I'm not saying that you can't be husky.
00:10:22.280 I'm not saying that you, but if you want to do that, she seems, she's saying it's a good thing to lose weight.
00:10:27.220 She's saying we need to support obese people to lose weight.
00:10:30.640 And we need to do that by, you know, paying for them to have free gym memberships and go to Whole Foods or whatever.
00:10:34.840 But she's acknowledging this would be a better thing.
00:10:36.820 So that's her point.
00:10:37.540 It's not my point.
00:10:38.320 She's saying it's good to lose weight.
00:10:40.140 Well, if you want to lose weight, you don't need all that fancy stuff.
00:10:42.880 You can just eat less.
00:10:45.120 That's it.
00:10:46.620 Simple enough.
00:10:47.540 That's a very phobic thing that I just said.
00:10:49.860 What's the next one?
00:10:50.740 Thad shaming and skinny shaming are the same.
00:10:53.440 Actually, no, they're not.
00:10:54.780 Fat people are denied jobs, proper medical care, health insurance. 0.99
00:10:57.980 They're paid less.
00:10:58.860 They don't have equal access to clothing, travel, many public spaces.
00:11:01.800 Even the body mass index, the way that it discriminates against women, especially women of color, it was created for and based around white men.
00:11:08.140 Like fat phobia is literally rooted in anti-blackness. 0.82
00:11:10.680 It's rooted in racism and sexism. 0.78
00:11:12.540 Skinny shaming is not.
00:11:13.420 How many times have you seen marketing campaigns that are labeled, get fat quick, finally add those stubborn 30 pounds?
00:11:19.480 Show me where all the weight gain industries are.
00:11:21.120 Show me all the damaging messages that say that skinny equals unworthy life or skinny equals ugly.
00:11:26.480 When is the last time that you've been penalized financially when an aircraft seat had to be accommodated to your smaller body?
00:11:31.440 When is the last time you've walked into a doctor's office and after they weighed you, stopped listening to what you were actually there for and told you to just gain weight because it will fix everything?
00:11:39.800 Fat people endure all of that and more. 0.71
00:11:41.620 Skinny people do not face employment discrimination or medical discrimination. 0.97
00:11:45.080 The world was designed for you.
00:11:46.420 Eat a burger is just not comparable to systemic abuse and oppression.
00:11:49.600 Systemic abuse and oppression.
00:11:50.580 That's what it all comes down to.
00:11:51.880 So everybody's got to be able to claim some kind of oppression, whether you're fat or whether you're skinny.
00:11:58.240 And by the way, you know, she's saying the skinny phobia or something.
00:12:01.660 I mean, that is a real, if you're anorexic or bulimic, that is a real, you can be committed to a hospital against your will if you're too thin, as well you should be.
00:12:10.060 So, you know, there are issues there, but it's not oppression.
00:12:13.440 It's not oppression when a lady goes into the doctor's office and the doctor says you really have to lose some weight. 1.00
00:12:18.880 That's just called medical advice.
00:12:20.440 That's what you're there, that's what you're paying for.
00:12:21.920 But we're told now that to face reality or to face a truth is oppressive and hurtful.
00:12:31.900 I guess it's just because people can't, they can't make sense of their own suffering.
00:12:37.680 Like there is suffering.
00:12:38.500 I know that everyone thinks that straight white men just never suffer, right? 0.93
00:12:43.900 Straight white men, man, they got it good. 0.97
00:12:45.320 They're all just like rich uncle penny bags and they've never had a problem in their life.
00:12:48.260 But actually, everybody suffers.
00:12:50.580 And that's not everybody else's fault.
00:12:54.300 That is your fault.
00:12:55.520 It's a fact of your nature that you're broken.
00:12:57.660 And if you can't work on that and cultivate virtue and, you know, endure it with patience, that's on you.
00:13:05.120 That's your problem.
00:13:06.160 We're all doing it and patience is a virtue, believe it or not.
00:13:08.620 And whining and babbling on TikTok is not a virtue, it's a vice.
00:13:11.720 Do we have any more or have we gone through the phobias?
00:13:13.500 It's done.
00:13:14.400 That's it.
00:13:14.860 We've gone through all the phobias.
00:13:16.060 The most persuasive argument, I guess, was either in the first couple or this last one.
00:13:25.680 Because the other ones, they got too confused.
00:13:27.760 The other ones, they said, yeah, it's good to lose weight, but it's not good to, you know,
00:13:30.540 but it's bad to tell me to lose weight and whatever.
00:13:33.000 But these were relatively coherent within their framework.
00:13:37.600 The one was don't ever tell me to lose weight.
00:13:39.380 It's terrible.
00:13:39.820 And the other one was, I'm suffering, I'm oppressed, I'm this, I'm that.
00:13:43.180 And that is the most basic level of the radical left argument that you could possibly make.
00:13:49.500 And we're told, you know, look, if people are happy this way, if we're really happy,
00:13:53.600 then you got to let us alone.
00:13:55.120 Okay, where's the happy?
00:13:56.560 I don't see the happy.
00:13:57.600 Maybe we'll get it next time.
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