The Michael Knowles Show - Michael Knowles Live at YAF - ＂Ordo Amoris： The Hierarchy of Political Love＂

00:00:00.000 Those sweltering summer nights that leave you tossing and turning,

00:00:02.420 desperately kicking off the covers, don't have to ruin your sleep.

00:00:05.140 Crafted from the finest 100% organic cotton,

00:00:07.540 Boland Branch's premium sheets feature a soft, breathable weave that's built to last.

00:00:11.840 Get the best savings of the season during Boland Branch's annual summer event.

00:00:15.320 Get 20% off plus free shipping on your first set of sheets

00:00:17.860 at bolandbranch.com slash dailywire.

00:00:20.340 That's bolandbranch, B-O-L-L-A-N-D, branch.com slash dailywire

00:00:25.300 to save 20% off and unlock free shipping.

00:00:28.020 Limited time only, exclusions do apply.

00:00:30.000 Big Mike, I love it.

00:00:35.140 Oh, wow.

00:00:35.960 That's a good nickname.

00:00:38.380 It's been applied to other people in politics,

00:00:40.620 but I'd like it to be referring to me.

00:00:43.480 Thank you very much for having me.

00:00:46.140 Thank you for the invitation.

00:00:47.780 It is a true pleasure to be here.

00:00:50.500 Thank you to YAF.

00:00:51.960 Especially thank you to YAF for the honor of allowing me to participate

00:00:56.020 in the William F. Buckley Jr. lecture series.

00:00:59.280 I'm a great admirer of the great man.

00:01:04.740 I've tried to perfect his accent over the years.

00:01:08.940 I'm not quite patrician enough.

00:01:11.840 I spent too much time in the Bronx,

00:01:14.800 but I'll work on it over the course of this lecture series.

00:01:17.620 It is always so nice to be here in San Diego.

00:01:22.500 I feel even better about it now that we have a functioning southern border again.

00:01:28.500 We are less than 20 miles from Tijuana,

00:01:40.560 but since January 20th,

00:01:43.380 our odds of running into face-tattooed foreign gangsters have dropped precipitously. 1.00

00:01:49.080 I suspect they will drop even further as this administration goes on.

00:01:54.820 Now, the gangsters from other countries who are still here are most likely in hiding right now.

00:02:01.980 They know that at any moment Tom Homan might leap out from around a corner

00:02:06.320 with a big butterfly net and just drag them all back to Latin America. 0.99

00:02:10.980 So this is a happy turn of events.

00:02:15.080 But some on the left seem not to realize it.

00:02:19.440 Some on the left argue,

00:02:21.380 some even on the squishy right, I'm afraid, argue,

00:02:24.740 that rounding up and deporting even the very worst illegal aliens in our country 0.97

00:02:29.500 is somehow anti-American.

00:02:33.060 That's very strange to me.

00:02:34.280 Because whatever you think of mass deportation,

00:02:38.420 it's quite silly to argue that it's not American.

00:02:43.200 Deporting people is a tried and true American tradition, actually. 1.00

00:02:47.840 Whether we're talking about the 1830s or the Palmer Raids in 1919 and 1920,

00:02:54.860 that was when we deported foreign communists.

00:02:57.580 Apparently, we didn't deport enough.

00:02:59.040 Whether we're talking about deportations during the Second World War,

00:03:03.780 during the 1950s of some million people in a single year in 1954,

00:03:08.800 whether we're talking about the deportation of Haitians and Cubans

00:03:12.440 who arrived during the Mariel boatlift in 1980,

00:03:15.200 or any other number of deportations,

00:03:19.120 one can argue over the necessity or prudence of those various deportations,

00:03:24.340 most of which, ironically, were carried out under Democrat presidents.

00:03:28.120 But no one can argue that they're not American.

00:03:31.900 As a simple matter of history,

00:03:34.260 mass deportations are as American as apple pie.

00:03:38.140 The anti-American charge vanquished.

00:03:41.540 Opponents of immigration enforcement will next argue

00:03:44.540 that deportations are somehow anti-Christian.

00:03:49.580 This claim is contradicted by the plain text of Scripture.

00:03:53.800 Deportations, or worse, usually worse,

00:03:55.980 are frequently carried out with the approval of God in the Bible.

00:04:00.980 Just ask the Canaanites, or the Hittites, or the Jebusites,

00:04:06.060 or the Perizzites, or the Hivites, a lot of people.

00:04:09.500 Now, in fairness, Scripture also instructs us

00:04:13.080 not to oppress or mistreat foreigners who live in our lands.

00:04:17.700 Thus, thou shalt not molest a stranger, nor afflict him,

00:04:22.320 for yourselves also were strangers in the land of Egypt.

00:04:25.720 Quite right?

00:04:27.340 But what exactly does it mean to molest or afflict the stranger?

00:04:32.560 We are not left idly to wonder.

00:04:34.420 Scripture actually tells us.

00:04:36.620 Just ten chapters prior, in the book of Exodus,

00:04:39.760 we read, quote,

00:04:40.600 There shall be one law for the native 1.00

00:04:44.300 and for the stranger who sojourns among you.

00:04:47.160 Further, in Deuteronomy, we read,

00:04:49.680 Cursed be he who perverts the justice due to the sojourner.

00:04:55.040 To hear the open borders crowd tell it,

00:04:57.740 it is the enforcement of the law which oppresses the foreigner.

00:05:01.780 But Scripture says precisely the opposite.

00:05:05.420 Scripture tells us that it is lawlessness

00:05:07.960 which oppresses the foreigner.

00:05:10.960 The injunction not to oppress the foreigner

00:05:12.820 does not run contrary to justice.

00:05:15.860 Rather, it is bound up in the execution of justice.

00:05:20.440 God demands that the civil authority

00:05:22.340 give the foreigner his due.

00:05:24.780 He does not demand that he give him more than his due.

00:05:28.900 He tells us that there must be one law

00:05:30.860 common to native and foreigner alike.

00:05:32.620 He does not insist that foreigners be given a more lenient law,

00:05:36.740 that foreigners be given special privileges 0.99

00:05:39.080 over and above those afforded to citizens.

00:05:42.400 Civil authorities must give appropriate care to foreigners.

00:05:47.260 But civil authorities have to care for their own citizens, too.

00:05:51.680 So how do we determine the right balance

00:05:54.780 between hospitality to foreigners

00:05:56.620 and the enforcement of justice owed to citizens and foreigners alike?

00:06:00.980 Our vice president, J.D. Vance,

00:06:04.020 took a stab at this question on TV last week,

00:06:07.020 and his answer sparked a national debate.

00:06:10.380 Vice President Vance said, quote,

00:06:12.600 these are his exact words,

00:06:13.960 not taking anything out of context.

00:06:16.160 He said, there's this old school,

00:06:18.160 and I think very Christian concept, by the way,

00:06:20.700 that you love your family,

00:06:22.680 and then you love your neighbor,

00:06:24.000 and then you love your community,

00:06:25.300 and then you love your fellow citizens

00:06:26.660 and your own country,

00:06:28.200 and then after that,

00:06:29.160 you can focus and prioritize the rest of the world.

00:06:32.700 This is a simple enough concept,

00:06:34.940 I think at least.

00:06:36.380 Let's say you're walking by a swimming pool,

00:06:38.520 and you see a random little kid drowning.

00:06:41.520 Any decent person would jump in to save the kid.

00:06:44.600 This actually happened to my father a few years ago.

00:06:46.680 He was walking by a pool at his condominium,

00:06:49.420 and he saw a kid drowning,

00:06:50.220 he jumps in,

00:06:51.220 pulls the kid out of the pool,

00:06:52.580 everyone applauds,

00:06:53.580 you're a hero.

00:06:54.000 Now, imagine you are walking past the same swimming pool.

00:06:59.960 It's a very large swimming pool.

00:07:01.860 And you see two kids drowning,

00:07:04.360 each one at a different end.

00:07:06.780 One of the toddlers is that same random kid

00:07:09.180 you saw the first time.

00:07:10.740 The other one is your own son.

00:07:13.560 You, being a decent person,

00:07:16.080 want to save both of them.

00:07:18.760 But what do you do?

00:07:20.460 You help your own son first, of course.

00:07:22.540 In fact, if you did not,

00:07:25.620 if you were to ignore the cries of your own son

00:07:28.360 and go to help the other boy first,

00:07:31.140 everyone would not applaud you

00:07:32.900 when you climbed out of the pool.

00:07:34.760 You would not be a hero.

00:07:36.640 You would have made a moral error

00:07:38.660 because you, as a father,

00:07:41.240 have a greater responsibility

00:07:42.980 to your own son

00:07:44.640 than you do to someone else's son.

00:07:47.480 This is common sense.

00:07:48.700 But is it Christian? 0.87

00:07:51.360 That's the question.

00:07:53.440 Immediately after Vance's remarks,

00:07:56.760 a former U.K. government minister

00:07:58.800 turned Yale professor,

00:08:01.060 that's not a good sign,

00:08:03.200 this is Rory Stewart,

00:08:05.700 he said no.

00:08:07.040 He wrote a bizarre take

00:08:09.540 on John 15, 12 to 13,

00:08:12.520 which, for those of you

00:08:14.060 who don't have your Bibles in front,

00:08:15.140 I know Governor Walker can do this from memory,

00:08:18.040 but some of you might not be

00:08:19.400 quite as biblically literate,

00:08:20.860 so I'll read it.

00:08:21.580 I'm not as biblically literate.

00:08:22.860 He says,

00:08:23.420 This is my commandment,

00:08:24.500 that you love one another

00:08:25.480 as I've loved you.

00:08:26.720 Greater love has no man

00:08:28.240 that a man lay down his life for his friends.

00:08:30.640 One of the most famous lines in the Bible.

00:08:33.500 He says,

00:08:33.920 This comment was ironic, of course,

00:08:50.980 because Rory Stewart is himself a politician

00:08:53.800 who is presuming to speak for Jesus.

00:08:56.940 He is presuming to speak for our Lord

00:08:58.860 with far less knowledge and seriousness

00:09:01.120 than J.D. Vance.

00:09:02.520 J.D. shot back.

00:09:03.460 He wrote,

00:09:04.440 Just Google Ordo Amoris,

00:09:08.160 which means order of love,

00:09:09.520 a concept developed most notably

00:09:11.100 by St. Thomas Aquinas.

00:09:13.580 Now, could we just take a quick pause for a moment?

00:09:16.300 Could we just have a moment

00:09:17.960 to appreciate how beautiful it is

00:09:20.760 that we live in a time

00:09:23.520 in which the Vice President of the United States

00:09:26.520 is lecturing leftists

00:09:28.400 on moral philosophy in Latin?

00:09:30.520 Woo! 0.99

00:09:31.020 Woo! 0.99

00:09:31.620 Woo! 0.99

00:09:32.020 Woo! 0.99

00:09:32.060 Woo! 0.99

00:09:32.120 Woo! 0.99

00:09:33.460 I knew, I knew the second Trump administration

00:09:42.580 was going to be good, okay?

00:09:43.980 I had high hopes.

00:09:45.740 Even I did not have

00:09:47.100 Vice President

00:09:48.420 explicating scholastic philosophy in Latin

00:09:51.380 kind of hopes.

00:09:52.340 That was not

00:09:52.960 on my bingo card.

00:09:54.960 I remember in 2016

00:09:56.520 I remember in 2016

00:09:56.560 after the primaries

00:09:58.480 general election comes about

00:09:59.840 there were many who didn't

00:10:01.580 they didn't want to vote for Trump

00:10:02.500 and people yelled at me

00:10:05.020 many of my friends yelled at me

00:10:06.240 because I said

00:10:06.700 I think I'm going to vote for Trump

00:10:07.700 and they said

00:10:08.100 he's not really conservative.

00:10:11.020 Well, look

00:10:12.060 whatever was going on then

00:10:13.400 now his Vice President

00:10:15.100 is invoking

00:10:15.940 St. Thomas Aquinas

00:10:16.960 in Latin on Twitter.

00:10:18.080 That is as conservative as it gets.

00:10:19.800 You know, there is no greater depth

00:10:22.060 I think

00:10:23.040 of conservatism.

00:10:25.280 But I digress.

00:10:27.060 At this point

00:10:27.860 in the conversation

00:10:29.120 after J.D.

00:10:30.420 had dunked on the

00:10:31.580 UK politician

00:10:32.920 turned Yale professor

00:10:33.960 another Yale figure

00:10:35.560 James

00:10:36.980 Surowiecki

00:10:38.580 editor of the Yale Review

00:10:40.360 he decided to chime in

00:10:42.840 to claim that

00:10:43.740 Ordo Amoris

00:10:45.280 is not

00:10:46.320 in the Gospels.

00:10:48.220 He claimed

00:10:48.740 it's an essentially

00:10:50.180 Aristotelian concept

00:10:52.300 that Aquinas 0.95

00:10:53.520 cleverly

00:10:54.680 if unconvincingly

00:10:56.380 imported

00:10:57.840 into Catholic theology.

00:11:00.580 Up until this point

00:11:01.520 up until this point

00:11:02.820 I was aware

00:11:03.580 that very few people

00:11:05.680 presently associated

00:11:07.120 with Yale

00:11:07.680 had even a passing

00:11:09.280 familiarity

00:11:09.960 with the Bible.

00:11:10.580 With that comment

00:11:13.000 it became clear

00:11:14.120 that these Yale luminaries

00:11:15.680 did not even

00:11:16.820 know their Aristotle.

00:11:19.040 This is very

00:11:20.080 very embarrassing.

00:11:21.300 I don't know

00:11:21.600 what has gotten up

00:11:22.460 in New Haven

00:11:23.120 but someone needs

00:11:24.480 to investigate that.

00:11:27.040 The Ordo Amoris

00:11:28.420 or the Ordo Caritatis

00:11:30.960 as St. Thomas Aquinas

00:11:31.980 would call it

00:11:32.520 is not

00:11:33.640 essentially

00:11:34.800 Aristotelian 0.82

00:11:36.020 and St. Thomas

00:11:37.420 among the clearest thinkers

00:11:38.520 ever to live

00:11:39.400 did not import

00:11:40.780 that or any other concept

00:11:42.640 unconvincingly

00:11:44.080 into Catholic theology.

00:11:46.900 Aristotle touches

00:11:47.900 on the concept

00:11:48.720 broadly in Book 4

00:11:49.980 of the Nicomachean Ethics

00:11:51.400 in which he writes

00:11:52.880 that the liberal man

00:11:53.840 liberal in this case

00:11:55.500 meaning generous

00:11:56.220 not meaning crazy

00:11:58.380 says

00:11:59.300 the liberal man

00:12:01.960 like other virtuous men

00:12:03.340 will give

00:12:04.280 for the sake

00:12:05.000 of the noble

00:12:05.560 and rightly

00:12:06.200 for he will give

00:12:07.280 to the right people

00:12:08.000 the right amounts

00:12:08.980 and at the right time

00:12:10.180 with all other qualifications

00:12:11.860 that accompany

00:12:12.600 right giving.

00:12:14.380 Early Christian writers

00:12:15.460 notably

00:12:15.980 Saints

00:12:16.660 Augustine

00:12:17.540 Gregory the Great

00:12:18.600 Bernard of Clairvaux

00:12:19.960 they also discussed

00:12:21.940 this order of charity

00:12:23.460 which St. Thomas

00:12:24.820 brings

00:12:25.360 to its fullest expression

00:12:27.280 and he brings it

00:12:28.460 to its fullest expression

00:12:29.340 in the Summa Theologiae

00:12:30.700 Secunda Secunda 0.62

00:12:31.380 at question 26

00:12:32.840 where he writes

00:12:34.080 quote

00:12:34.380 there must needs be

00:12:36.740 some order

00:12:38.060 in things loved

00:12:39.200 out of charity

00:12:39.960 which order

00:12:41.160 is in reference

00:12:41.820 to the first principle

00:12:42.760 of that love

00:12:43.380 which is God.

00:12:45.740 So

00:12:46.040 we are obligated

00:12:48.100 as a matter of reason

00:12:50.320 to love God

00:12:52.080 before ourselves

00:12:53.440 this according

00:12:54.880 to St. Thomas

00:12:55.520 and to reason

00:12:56.400 you know

00:12:58.020 one in the same

00:12:58.700 frequently

00:12:59.080 when we read

00:12:59.620 St. Thomas Aquinas

00:13:00.380 we are obligated

00:13:01.420 to love God first

00:13:02.380 then we love ourselves

00:13:03.920 then we are obligated

00:13:06.080 to love ourselves

00:13:07.440 before our neighbors

00:13:08.560 then to love our neighbors

00:13:10.180 before our own bodies

00:13:11.580 then to love

00:13:13.280 those neighbors

00:13:14.260 nearer to us

00:13:15.260 sooner than those

00:13:16.500 further away

00:13:17.180 then to love

00:13:18.120 those connected to us

00:13:19.320 by ties of blood

00:13:20.500 before others

00:13:21.540 and so on

00:13:22.560 and so forth.

00:13:24.180 And Thomas'

00:13:24.700 reasoning is

00:13:25.440 as always

00:13:26.020 clear and persuasive

00:13:27.720 though we don't have time

00:13:29.460 to get into all of it

00:13:30.240 so maybe

00:13:30.780 if anyone's interested

00:13:31.560 we can get into it

00:13:32.300 in the Q&A

00:13:32.800 for our purposes

00:13:35.580 right now

00:13:36.160 that very first line

00:13:38.320 about loving God

00:13:39.840 before we love ourselves

00:13:41.540 suffices to prove

00:13:43.200 that the Yale Review guy

00:13:44.880 had absolutely no idea

00:13:46.380 what he was talking about

00:13:47.380 when he claimed

00:13:48.340 that the Ordo Amoris

00:13:49.780 is not in the Gospels.

00:13:51.560 Not only is the Ordo Amoris

00:13:53.620 in the Gospels

00:13:54.780 it is the principle

00:13:56.720 that is articulated

00:13:57.660 in the most famous line

00:13:59.440 of the Gospels

00:14:00.280 Matthew chapter 22

00:14:02.140 37 to 39

00:14:03.300 you shall love

00:14:04.580 the Lord your God

00:14:05.900 with all your heart

00:14:06.800 and with all your soul

00:14:08.180 and with all your mind

00:14:09.260 this is the great

00:14:10.640 and first commandment

00:14:11.640 and a second is like it

00:14:13.020 you shall love

00:14:13.700 your neighbor

00:14:14.240 as yourself.

00:14:16.320 There is

00:14:17.120 in other words

00:14:17.740 an order of charity

00:14:20.420 a hierarchy of love

00:14:22.320 and this order

00:14:23.620 is the very foundation

00:14:25.620 of Christian morality.

00:14:27.660 We must love God first

00:14:29.040 and only then

00:14:30.120 and upon that basis

00:14:31.300 do we love everything else.

00:14:33.340 This order

00:14:33.940 does not just

00:14:35.260 comprise two categories.

00:14:38.040 It's not just God

00:14:39.040 and everyone else.

00:14:41.220 We find further

00:14:42.140 scriptural evidence

00:14:43.040 of the order of charity

00:14:43.900 in 1 Timothy chapter 5

00:14:45.800 verse 8.

00:14:46.220 If anyone does not

00:14:48.080 provide for his relatives

00:14:49.060 and especially

00:14:49.980 for his own family

00:14:50.940 he has disowned the faith

00:14:52.600 and is worse

00:14:53.380 than an unbeliever.

00:14:55.020 A man does not 1.00

00:14:56.260 necessarily disown the faith

00:14:57.760 he's not necessarily

00:14:58.660 worse than an unbeliever 1.00

00:14:59.780 if he does not care

00:15:01.240 for some random guy

00:15:02.120 on the other side

00:15:02.620 of the world

00:15:03.040 if he does not

00:15:04.320 send all of his money

00:15:05.160 to the IRS

00:15:05.820 to give to USAID

00:15:07.060 to fund transgender

00:15:08.420 ballet performances

00:15:09.300 in Thailand

00:15:09.780 or something.

00:15:11.540 However

00:15:11.980 if you neglect

00:15:12.920 the care of your own family

00:15:14.080 you are worse

00:15:15.540 than an unbeliever.

00:15:16.100 you have abandoned the faith.

00:15:17.160 We have greater obligations

00:15:19.060 to those

00:15:20.460 who are closest to us.

00:15:23.020 This moral insight

00:15:24.440 is attested to

00:15:25.920 both by philosophy

00:15:27.480 and religion

00:15:28.420 by reason and revelation

00:15:29.680 and yet many liberals

00:15:31.880 deny it.

00:15:33.400 We know they deny it

00:15:34.720 not just because

00:15:36.380 of their snarky tweets

00:15:37.680 about J.D. Vance

00:15:38.700 but also from

00:15:40.240 social science

00:15:41.260 because shortly after

00:15:42.920 Ordo Amoris

00:15:44.140 implausibly went viral

00:15:45.820 on social media.

00:15:47.820 A graph

00:15:48.460 also went viral.

00:15:50.100 It is this graph

00:15:50.920 I brought a prop

00:15:51.740 with me today

00:15:52.280 I so rarely bring props

00:15:53.540 when I speak

00:15:54.160 but it was this graph

00:15:55.620 you might have tweeted it

00:15:57.720 you might have posted it

00:15:58.660 to Instagram.

00:16:00.000 It comes from

00:16:00.840 a social scientific survey

00:16:02.140 about how people love

00:16:03.760 and what people care about.

00:16:06.180 It is a 2019 study

00:16:07.540 called

00:16:07.860 Ideological Differences

00:16:09.600 in the expanse

00:16:11.100 of the moral circle.

00:16:12.840 The graph depicts

00:16:14.120 heat maps

00:16:15.020 indicating

00:16:16.280 highest moral allocation

00:16:18.580 by ideology.

00:16:20.720 So you can see

00:16:21.320 the moral circle rings

00:16:23.420 extend outward.

00:16:25.360 In the center

00:16:25.940 you have your immediate family

00:16:27.280 right there

00:16:27.800 followed by

00:16:29.440 your extended family

00:16:31.040 all your closest friends

00:16:32.400 then all your friends

00:16:33.680 including the distant ones

00:16:34.900 then your acquaintances

00:16:36.420 then all the people

00:16:37.420 that you ever met

00:16:38.100 in your entire life

00:16:38.940 then your countrymen

00:16:40.160 then people on your continent

00:16:41.780 then all people

00:16:43.100 then all mammals

00:16:44.400 then all other animals

00:16:46.060 all living creatures

00:16:47.240 including amoeba

00:16:48.480 all potential life

00:16:50.080 in the universe

00:16:50.960 including ET aliens

00:16:52.800 all living things

00:16:54.120 including plants and trees

00:16:55.420 all non-living things

00:16:57.060 including rocks

00:16:57.980 and finally

00:16:59.120 all created things

00:17:00.720 that are

00:17:01.220 or could be in existence.

00:17:03.240 This was all studied

00:17:04.040 by a bunch of scientists.

00:17:05.960 The study found

00:17:07.320 that conservatives

00:17:08.880 being normal

00:17:10.500 tend

00:17:12.580 they tend to care more

00:17:15.000 about the things

00:17:16.100 closest to them.

00:17:18.020 They tend to care more

00:17:19.140 about their immediate families

00:17:20.260 than they care about rocks.

00:17:22.560 Liberals

00:17:23.080 being the sort of people

00:17:24.840 who hug trees

00:17:26.340 and hate their dads

00:17:27.400 it's science

00:17:30.720 I'm not throwing bombs

00:17:32.340 I'm just quoting the scientists

00:17:34.420 they tend not

00:17:37.020 to care about things

00:17:38.380 that are closer to them.

00:17:40.500 The study found

00:17:41.400 I'm quoting directly here

00:17:42.640 that the more liberal people were

00:17:45.180 the more they allocated equally

00:17:47.280 to humans

00:17:48.380 and to non-humans.

00:17:51.480 A distinguishing feature

00:17:53.720 of right-wingers

00:17:55.140 I kid you not

00:17:56.180 is that they are more likely

00:17:57.840 quote

00:17:58.300 to morally prioritize

00:18:00.440 humans over non-humans.

00:18:02.740 Oh that's something nice

00:18:04.580 you can say about us

00:18:05.640 you know

00:18:05.960 you don't like the cut

00:18:07.500 of our jib

00:18:07.940 but at least we prioritize

00:18:09.000 human beings

00:18:10.100 over stuff.

00:18:13.340 Now

00:18:13.940 some liberals

00:18:14.800 have attempted

00:18:16.240 to argue

00:18:16.880 that conservatives

00:18:18.000 are simply

00:18:18.760 misunderstanding

00:18:19.500 the study.

00:18:21.080 They argue

00:18:21.980 that the study shows

00:18:23.120 that conservatives

00:18:23.820 don't care more

00:18:25.280 about their families

00:18:26.160 than liberals do

00:18:27.060 it's just that liberals

00:18:28.780 care more about everything.

00:18:30.780 So it's not that

00:18:31.500 they care any less

00:18:32.220 you know

00:18:32.380 they just

00:18:32.600 they also care

00:18:33.700 about the rocks

00:18:34.380 and the amoeba

00:18:34.980 and the aliens.

00:18:37.860 Now

00:18:38.000 even if that were true

00:18:39.580 that is a perfectly

00:18:41.520 plausible hypothesis

00:18:42.580 by the way

00:18:43.140 given the liberals

00:18:45.480 frequent inability

00:18:46.520 to control

00:18:47.100 their own emotions

00:18:47.780 it is perfectly

00:18:49.380 plausible

00:18:49.980 that they

00:18:51.080 might just care

00:18:52.340 so much

00:18:53.100 they're just

00:18:53.980 overflowing

00:18:54.780 with

00:18:55.240 fields.

00:18:57.260 However

00:18:57.560 even if that were the case

00:18:59.300 it would still be

00:19:00.300 extremely disordered

00:19:02.020 to care more

00:19:03.140 about strangers

00:19:03.840 than to care

00:19:04.880 about one's own parents

00:19:05.880 no matter how much

00:19:06.700 one cared about

00:19:07.840 his own parents

00:19:08.520 even if they cared

00:19:10.400 more overall

00:19:11.220 which it turns out

00:19:12.320 they do not.

00:19:14.360 Liberals really do

00:19:15.240 care more

00:19:15.820 about rocks

00:19:16.560 and trees

00:19:17.160 than they do

00:19:17.680 about their families.

00:19:18.940 We don't need a chart

00:19:19.880 or a study

00:19:20.480 to show us that

00:19:21.380 just ask a liberal

00:19:22.980 about climate change

00:19:24.260 and abortion. 0.95

00:19:25.800 Liberals will

00:19:26.420 rend their garments

00:19:27.580 and gnash their teeth 0.69

00:19:28.820 over environmental threats

00:19:30.480 to the coral reef

00:19:31.380 but they will dance

00:19:32.680 in the streets

00:19:33.240 to celebrate the murder

00:19:34.280 of their own children

00:19:35.160 through abortion

00:19:35.780 and it turns out

00:19:37.940 the study

00:19:38.920 shows as much

00:19:40.240 because

00:19:41.420 again I'm quoting

00:19:42.120 directly here

00:19:42.780 the study

00:19:43.360 quote

00:19:43.720 constrained the number

00:19:45.320 of units

00:19:45.780 that participants

00:19:46.560 could assign

00:19:47.080 to each group

00:19:47.620 forcing participants

00:19:49.080 to distribute

00:19:50.280 moral concern

00:19:51.200 in a zero-sum fashion

00:19:53.140 so the more

00:19:54.000 that you say

00:19:54.440 you care about

00:19:54.820 one thing

00:19:55.180 the less you can say

00:19:56.040 you care about

00:19:56.500 another thing

00:19:57.080 the researchers

00:19:58.360 did this

00:19:59.040 because other research

00:20:00.180 suggests

00:20:00.800 that that is

00:20:01.600 really how people

00:20:02.520 do distribute

00:20:03.640 their care

00:20:04.340 and their concern

00:20:05.020 you know

00:20:05.580 it's a finite world

00:20:06.560 we've only got

00:20:07.400 so many hours

00:20:08.140 that we can worry

00:20:08.880 we only have

00:20:09.720 so many tears

00:20:10.460 that we can shed

00:20:11.520 but just to prove

00:20:13.340 how deep

00:20:14.700 this moral perversion

00:20:16.180 runs

00:20:16.920 on the political left

00:20:18.000 the researchers

00:20:19.240 conducted another study

00:20:20.580 to test

00:20:21.540 what would happen

00:20:22.300 if they did not

00:20:23.620 constrain people

00:20:24.500 to zero-sum

00:20:26.640 moral thinking

00:20:27.420 what they discovered

00:20:29.320 was that

00:20:29.740 even when

00:20:30.540 participants

00:20:31.420 allocations

00:20:32.140 were not constrained

00:20:33.060 the same

00:20:34.520 pattern

00:20:35.340 replicated

00:20:36.060 conservatives

00:20:37.880 the researchers

00:20:38.460 showed

00:20:38.860 exhibit greater

00:20:40.140 concern

00:20:40.700 and preference

00:20:41.360 for family

00:20:42.440 relative to friends

00:20:43.400 the nation

00:20:44.360 relative to the world

00:20:45.380 and humans

00:20:46.180 relative to non-humans

00:20:47.300 so what conclusion

00:20:49.460 are we to draw

00:20:51.220 from this

00:20:51.780 is it just a matter

00:20:53.600 of preference

00:20:54.320 you know

00:20:54.980 conservatives

00:20:56.000 we you know

00:20:57.060 we love our family

00:20:58.180 and friends

00:20:58.800 and you know

00:20:59.680 liberals love trees

00:21:00.740 and rocks

00:21:01.340 you know

00:21:03.160 it's just all

00:21:03.820 you like chocolate

00:21:04.780 I like vanilla

00:21:05.360 right

00:21:05.640 is that how that works

00:21:06.560 I don't think so

00:21:08.060 any reasonable person

00:21:10.340 knows

00:21:11.180 that one should care

00:21:12.560 more for his children

00:21:13.560 than for rocks

00:21:14.620 and trees

00:21:15.200 if liberals

00:21:16.760 do not

00:21:17.440 it is because

00:21:18.380 they have made

00:21:19.300 a moral error

00:21:20.480 and the liberals

00:21:22.400 did not necessarily

00:21:23.820 fall into this

00:21:24.640 moral error

00:21:25.340 because they're wicked

00:21:26.340 more likely

00:21:27.800 I think

00:21:28.280 I'm not even

00:21:29.680 just trying to be

00:21:30.500 as charitable

00:21:32.440 as I can

00:21:33.080 to the liberals

00:21:33.640 I also think

00:21:34.900 this actually

00:21:35.440 motivates them

00:21:36.160 more likely

00:21:37.160 I suspect

00:21:37.800 they've fallen

00:21:38.740 into this moral error

00:21:39.900 because they are

00:21:40.980 trying and failing

00:21:42.160 to be good

00:21:42.900 I suspect

00:21:44.040 most of the time

00:21:45.060 it actually comes

00:21:46.220 from a place of love

00:21:47.220 but the love

00:21:48.580 is misplaced

00:21:49.540 the love

00:21:50.740 is out of order

00:21:51.700 and disordered love

00:21:53.600 tends to evil

00:21:54.580 just as the road

00:21:55.600 to hell

00:21:55.900 is paved

00:21:56.320 with good intentions

00:21:57.260 G.K. Chesterton

00:21:59.120 explains this phenomenon

00:22:00.600 with regard to

00:22:01.500 his very close friend

00:22:02.980 George Bernard Shaw

00:22:03.860 who was an atheist

00:22:05.280 and a socialist

00:22:06.040 Bernard Shaw

00:22:07.320 Chesterton writes

00:22:08.180 has a heroically

00:22:10.000 large

00:22:10.720 and generous heart

00:22:11.820 but not a heart

00:22:13.600 in the right place

00:22:14.540 and this is so

00:22:16.200 of the typical

00:22:16.800 society of our time

00:22:17.860 the modern world

00:22:18.540 is not evil

00:22:19.160 in some ways

00:22:20.420 the modern world

00:22:21.260 is far too good

00:22:22.520 it is full of wild

00:22:24.160 and wasted virtues

00:22:25.700 when a religious scheme

00:22:27.960 is shattered

00:22:28.760 Chesterton concludes

00:22:30.160 it is not merely

00:22:32.220 the vices

00:22:32.800 that are let loose

00:22:34.080 the vices are indeed

00:22:35.940 let loose

00:22:36.420 and they wander

00:22:37.040 and do damage

00:22:37.820 but the virtues

00:22:39.580 are let loose also

00:22:41.060 and the virtues

00:22:42.480 wander more wildly

00:22:43.980 and the virtues

00:22:45.360 do more terrible damage

00:22:46.940 the modern world

00:22:48.800 is full of the old

00:22:49.800 Christian virtues

00:22:50.860 gone mad

00:22:51.640 our nation's

00:22:53.960 our whole civilization's

00:22:55.360 religious scheme

00:22:56.240 has obviously

00:22:57.660 been shattered

00:22:58.480 the vice president

00:23:00.720 invoked

00:23:01.300 Thomas Aquinas

00:23:02.140 and our political elites

00:23:03.900 were left drooling

00:23:05.240 and scratching their heads

00:23:06.380 as though they had never

00:23:07.520 heard of this man before

00:23:08.420 the scheme

00:23:11.600 has been shattered

00:23:12.820 the virtues

00:23:13.940 have wandered

00:23:14.860 and these wandering virtues

00:23:16.580 these errant loves

00:23:18.080 have caused

00:23:19.100 our present political ills

00:23:21.020 the only remedy

00:23:22.820 to that

00:23:23.420 is to restore

00:23:25.040 order

00:23:25.920 not just to our streets

00:23:28.320 and to our communities

00:23:29.260 that's good too

00:23:30.000 but also to restore

00:23:31.540 order

00:23:32.060 to our loves

00:23:33.400 if

00:23:34.620 for no other reason

00:23:36.200 than that without order

00:23:38.300 without caring

00:23:39.840 for ourselves

00:23:40.740 and our own

00:23:41.580 we cannot properly

00:23:43.280 care

00:23:43.700 for anyone else

00:23:45.140 either

00:23:45.640 thank you very much

00:23:47.360 very kind

00:24:00.260 thank you very much

00:24:01.200 I have been told

00:24:03.200 we have time

00:24:04.080 for some questions

00:24:05.520 from the audience

00:24:06.180 yes we do

00:24:07.060 alright

00:24:07.580 we will now begin

00:24:08.360 our Q&A portion

00:24:09.420 please stand

00:24:10.840 in the line

00:24:11.820 by my colleague

00:24:12.560 Hunter in the back

00:24:13.540 and once you get

00:24:14.580 to the microphone

00:24:15.120 please state your name

00:24:16.260 your school

00:24:17.080 and your brief question

00:24:18.400 you know usually

00:24:22.760 the daily wire

00:24:23.780 has a rule

00:24:24.420 and it's a rule

00:24:25.860 with which I greatly

00:24:26.820 disagree

00:24:27.420 but the rule is that

00:24:29.540 if you disagree

00:24:31.380 with me

00:24:31.900 you can cut

00:24:32.460 to the front

00:24:32.900 of the line

00:24:33.360 now

00:24:34.560 I'm seeing a lot

00:24:36.520 of nice ties

00:24:37.520 and blazers here

00:24:38.960 a lot of parted hair

00:24:40.280 so I don't think

00:24:41.080 anyone disagrees

00:24:41.800 with me about anything

00:24:42.520 in this room

00:24:43.040 and I don't even agree

00:24:44.780 with the rule

00:24:45.240 as it stands

00:24:45.880 but in any case

00:24:46.640 look at all these

00:24:47.360 wonderfully well-dressed

00:24:49.380 orderly

00:24:50.320 proper young conservatives

00:24:51.700 I'll take the first question

00:24:53.700 applause

00:24:55.700 hi Mr. Knowles

00:25:00.960 thank you for speaking

00:25:01.780 to us today

00:25:02.520 my name is Janine

00:25:03.580 and I go to

00:25:04.440 Northwestern University

00:25:05.920 up in Chicago

00:25:07.180 which is probably

00:25:08.140 one of the most

00:25:09.260 liberal universities

00:25:10.440 in the nation

00:25:11.460 so I believe

00:25:12.840 that our nation

00:25:13.780 works better

00:25:14.480 when under the

00:25:15.300 guiding principles

00:25:16.020 of Christianity

00:25:16.900 and I would agree

00:25:18.140 with Vice President

00:25:19.420 Vance there

00:25:19.960 and with you

00:25:20.540 however we are

00:25:22.020 in a society

00:25:23.560 that is increasingly

00:25:24.540 hateful of Christians 1.00

00:25:26.020 and of religion

00:25:27.980 in general

00:25:28.740 and I see that

00:25:29.520 first hand

00:25:30.160 on my campus

00:25:31.120 so what would you say

00:25:32.560 to these professors

00:25:33.800 and to these students

00:25:35.460 who are actively

00:25:37.040 anti-the gospel

00:25:38.560 anti-the bible

00:25:39.680 and anti-the principles

00:25:42.540 that are the bedrock

00:25:43.620 of our nation

00:25:44.360 well

00:25:45.740 you could just speak

00:25:47.460 the truth in love

00:25:48.300 is probably

00:25:48.860 what you should

00:25:49.440 begin with

00:25:50.140 certainly when you're

00:25:50.920 talking about

00:25:51.560 your colleagues

00:25:52.380 or your classmates

00:25:53.120 rather

00:25:53.500 because

00:25:54.520 you're so right

00:25:56.080 at these liberal schools

00:25:57.780 there are all sorts

00:25:58.740 of kids

00:25:59.200 who are very hostile

00:26:00.160 to religion

00:26:00.920 I was one of them

00:26:03.440 I was

00:26:04.140 when I arrived

00:26:05.440 at college

00:26:06.060 I was

00:26:07.140 politically right-wing

00:26:08.880 still

00:26:09.200 I mean I was

00:26:09.600 basically born

00:26:10.680 with parted hair

00:26:11.460 smoking a cigar

00:26:12.180 but in terms of religion

00:26:13.580 I would have called

00:26:14.720 myself an atheist

00:26:15.580 it's just in the air

00:26:17.180 you know

00:26:17.500 it's kind of

00:26:17.980 how we grew up

00:26:18.940 and so

00:26:19.580 it's a great opportunity

00:26:20.740 for you

00:26:21.180 because one thing

00:26:21.900 I've noticed

00:26:22.600 having been an atheist

00:26:24.260 and then coming out of it

00:26:25.640 is the atheists 0.95

00:26:26.760 don't know anything

00:26:27.480 obviously

00:26:27.980 you know

00:26:28.380 they deny the

00:26:29.600 fundament of reality

00:26:30.500 so they're not all

00:26:32.140 that big and scary

00:26:32.900 and if you begin

00:26:34.460 to appeal

00:26:35.180 to

00:26:35.860 for some of them

00:26:37.120 it will be appealing

00:26:37.740 to their intellect

00:26:38.840 for some of them

00:26:39.720 it will be speaking

00:26:40.380 in a more numinous way

00:26:42.180 or speaking to their emotion

00:26:43.720 or however

00:26:44.180 but you know

00:26:45.080 you have a great opportunity

00:26:46.160 to win people over

00:26:47.300 so I think that's

00:26:48.120 really wonderful

00:26:48.800 when it comes to

00:26:49.900 the professors

00:26:50.400 that's a different story

00:26:51.480 you can do your best

00:26:53.020 to win them over

00:26:53.940 however

00:26:54.500 if professors

00:26:56.180 are discriminating 0.56

00:26:57.480 against religious students 0.71

00:26:59.020 in class

00:26:59.640 as sometimes happens

00:27:01.080 you should get them fired

00:27:03.280 they have no right

00:27:04.340 to a job

00:27:05.020 good

00:27:06.080 you should

00:27:06.580 you should

00:27:07.960 you know

00:27:08.580 your question is apt

00:27:12.200 because we're here

00:27:13.220 at the William F. Buckley

00:27:14.520 lecture series

00:27:15.660 William F. Buckley Jr.

00:27:17.500 helped to launch

00:27:18.200 the conservative movement

00:27:19.140 with a book called

00:27:19.960 God and Man at Yale

00:27:20.900 God and Man at Yale

00:27:22.240 which was a handbook

00:27:23.740 in getting atheist

00:27:25.720 communist professors

00:27:27.220 fired from universities

00:27:28.560 okay

00:27:29.420 so the subtitle

00:27:30.820 of the book

00:27:31.200 we forget it now

00:27:31.800 is The Superstitions

00:27:33.020 of Academic Freedom

00:27:33.920 Buckley famously said

00:27:35.640 during a Firing Line episode

00:27:36.800 with Leo Churn

00:27:37.680 he said

00:27:38.400 I don't want society

00:27:39.360 to be more open

00:27:40.440 I actually want society

00:27:41.920 to be considerably

00:27:42.680 more closed

00:27:43.660 I'm an epistemological optimist

00:27:45.760 I think we can make

00:27:46.400 certain exclusions

00:27:47.720 and the purpose

00:27:48.640 of the university

00:27:49.360 is to seek the truth

00:27:50.980 that's what they're after

00:27:51.980 so if you exclude

00:27:53.380 the truth himself

00:27:54.540 from the university

00:27:55.340 you're not going

00:27:56.120 to have a good time

00:27:56.840 and these commie 0.98

00:27:57.940 atheist professors

00:27:58.820 don't have a right

00:27:59.760 to indoctrinate students

00:28:01.120 and the trustees

00:28:02.000 ought to flex their muscles

00:28:03.160 that's what Buckley said

00:28:04.220 in the 50s

00:28:05.060 that's what I say now

00:28:06.040 it was right then

00:28:07.060 it's right now

00:28:07.940 and I think we have

00:28:08.660 the political backing

00:28:09.620 to do something about it

00:28:10.700 so maybe work

00:28:12.580 that side of it too

00:28:13.400 it's the stick

00:28:14.960 in the carrot

00:28:15.460 you know

00:28:15.880 a little bit of love

00:28:16.740 and a little bit of tough love

00:28:17.680 thank you

00:28:19.400 applause

00:28:20.680 hi Michael

00:28:28.140 my name is Jake

00:28:29.300 from the University

00:28:30.300 of Central Florida

00:28:30.960 thank you for speaking

00:28:31.900 to us today

00:28:33.260 it was an honor

00:28:34.020 to hear from you

00:28:34.640 me and my colleagues

00:28:36.520 at the table

00:28:37.120 were having a discussion

00:28:38.360 on Catholicism

00:28:39.540 versus Protestantism

00:28:40.640 and it quickly developed

00:28:42.660 into the realm

00:28:43.380 of free will

00:28:44.080 now

00:28:45.260 the question was

00:28:47.700 whether free will

00:28:48.420 is limitless

00:28:49.220 or whether

00:28:50.420 we are a product

00:28:51.720 of our environments

00:28:52.720 and whether free will

00:28:53.960 is sort of within a box

00:28:55.440 so for example

00:28:56.240 during your lecture

00:28:58.000 I certainly have

00:28:59.500 the free will

00:29:00.100 to shout out

00:29:01.540 and interrupt your lecture

00:29:02.580 but I never would

00:29:03.460 because I was raised

00:29:05.060 to respect those

00:29:06.200 who are speaking

00:29:06.820 so I was hoping

00:29:09.240 that you could shed

00:29:09.760 some light

00:29:10.160 on this issue

00:29:10.920 of free will

00:29:11.380 is free will

00:29:12.120 limitless

00:29:12.860 and do we have

00:29:13.760 the ability

00:29:14.220 to basically

00:29:15.400 do whatever we want

00:29:16.300 or are we a product

00:29:17.200 of our environment

00:29:18.060 and our sort of

00:29:20.040 free will

00:29:20.360 is constrained

00:29:21.020 in that way

00:29:21.540 what a beautiful

00:29:23.060 question

00:29:23.960 what a beautiful

00:29:24.780 intelligent question

00:29:26.000 that you would find

00:29:27.160 at a YAF conference

00:29:28.120 and would never find

00:29:29.300 on most university

00:29:30.080 campuses

00:29:30.560 beautiful question

00:29:32.360 the key

00:29:37.440 to understanding

00:29:38.860 this question

00:29:39.620 is the acknowledgement

00:29:41.640 of two competing

00:29:42.760 conceptions of liberty

00:29:43.920 Isaiah Berlin

00:29:45.180 famously has his essay

00:29:46.560 on the two conceptions

00:29:47.480 of liberty

00:29:47.840 positive and negative liberty

00:29:49.000 that is not the dichotomy

00:29:50.540 that I'm talking about

00:29:51.380 I'm talking about

00:29:52.300 the liberal conception

00:29:53.460 of liberty

00:29:53.960 meaning including

00:29:55.520 the classical liberal

00:29:56.340 conception

00:29:56.780 versus the classical

00:29:58.100 conception of liberty

00:29:59.080 the liberal conception

00:30:00.760 of liberty

00:30:01.360 posits that

00:30:03.340 freedom is the ability

00:30:05.460 to do whatever you want

00:30:06.560 to get up and yell

00:30:07.300 during the lecture

00:30:07.880 or whatever

00:30:08.240 and that the

00:30:10.620 maximization

00:30:12.520 of individual autonomy

00:30:14.140 is the expansion

00:30:15.600 of liberty

00:30:16.440 that is not the classical

00:30:18.080 understanding of liberty

00:30:18.960 the classical understanding

00:30:19.940 of liberty

00:30:20.600 is that liberty

00:30:21.800 is not just neutrality

00:30:23.940 and choosing

00:30:24.500 but that liberty

00:30:26.020 is willing

00:30:27.120 willing

00:30:28.000 which is predicated

00:30:29.320 on knowledge

00:30:30.220 and I think

00:30:31.360 this is a much

00:30:31.840 sturdier conception

00:30:32.780 of liberty

00:30:33.300 because ignorance

00:30:35.320 compromises our liberty

00:30:37.640 people who are

00:30:38.700 totally ignorant

00:30:39.400 cannot be totally

00:30:40.300 cannot truly be free

00:30:41.500 this is why we have

00:30:42.480 ages of consent

00:30:43.400 this is why we don't

00:30:44.320 let five year olds vote

00:30:45.240 because they're just not

00:30:46.280 educated enough

00:30:47.940 yet to vote

00:30:48.500 and then willing

00:30:50.000 is also important here

00:30:51.520 you have to be

00:30:52.280 in command of your will

00:30:53.460 you can be as book smart

00:30:54.600 as anybody in the world

00:30:55.540 but if you are just

00:30:56.700 constantly consumed

00:30:58.400 by vice

00:30:59.080 if you're not able

00:30:59.660 to control your impulses

00:31:00.980 then you can't really

00:31:02.000 be free

00:31:02.520 Hunter Biden

00:31:03.380 I don't even mean

00:31:04.000 to make a Hunter Biden joke

00:31:04.860 he's a very intelligent

00:31:06.360 educated guy

00:31:07.120 graduated Yale Law School

00:31:08.440 he's got all the training

00:31:10.820 and all the book smarts

00:31:11.680 but he can't control himself

00:31:12.940 so he can't

00:31:13.800 he's not really free

00:31:14.500 you know

00:31:14.700 he's a crack addict

00:31:15.420 and hopefully

00:31:16.840 he's recovered from that

00:31:17.800 but that compromises

00:31:19.820 your freedom

00:31:20.300 so that's the matter

00:31:23.840 at hand here

00:31:24.480 is your freedom

00:31:27.900 is limited

00:31:28.840 by your knowledge

00:31:31.560 and by your self control

00:31:33.140 so only God

00:31:34.720 is truly free

00:31:35.900 we are only free

00:31:37.860 in as much

00:31:38.840 as we make ourselves

00:31:40.040 more like God

00:31:40.920 this is why

00:31:41.900 this is straight

00:31:43.400 from the scripture

00:31:44.180 but it's also

00:31:44.720 from philosophy

00:31:45.460 you know

00:31:46.360 this is why

00:31:47.700 our Lord says

00:31:48.420 that the man

00:31:49.660 who sins

00:31:50.200 is a slave to sin

00:31:51.260 but you should

00:31:52.640 take my yoke upon you

00:31:53.840 my yoke is easy

00:31:55.000 and my burden is light

00:31:55.960 there is a kind of a yoke

00:31:57.300 and a kind of a burden

00:31:58.120 to following God

00:31:59.280 but it's light

00:32:00.520 it's good

00:32:00.920 you know

00:32:01.200 it will actually

00:32:01.760 make you free

00:32:02.380 the man

00:32:03.560 who the son of man

00:32:04.420 sets free

00:32:04.860 is free indeed

00:32:05.560 so this is why

00:32:07.640 you have to

00:32:08.420 work on

00:32:09.380 on your

00:32:10.120 self control

00:32:11.880 and on

00:32:12.280 your knowledge

00:32:13.120 and it's why

00:32:13.860 to bring it back

00:32:15.260 down to earth

00:32:15.880 it's why

00:32:16.480 our founding fathers

00:32:17.380 and the wise men

00:32:18.700 of that era

00:32:19.320 understood

00:32:20.120 that real liberty

00:32:21.040 is actually grounded

00:32:22.480 in limitations

00:32:23.440 just like

00:32:24.440 just like if you want

00:32:25.400 a good poem

00:32:26.000 there have to be

00:32:26.580 limitations on the poem

00:32:27.740 a good life

00:32:29.420 requires limitations

00:32:30.560 on that freedom

00:32:31.400 otherwise

00:32:31.820 you're going to be

00:32:32.660 consumed

00:32:33.160 by a false liberty

00:32:34.600 you will

00:32:35.420 as the men

00:32:36.340 who built our country

00:32:37.160 wrote into law

00:32:38.560 you will abuse

00:32:39.400 your liberty

00:32:39.860 into licentiousness

00:32:40.780 and you'll totally

00:32:41.360 lose your freedom

00:32:42.020 thank you

00:32:43.940 hey michael

00:32:53.660 my name is

00:32:54.160 mateen

00:32:54.640 i'm an iranian

00:32:55.560 american

00:32:55.960 and i go to

00:32:56.780 golden best college

00:32:57.420 in california

00:32:58.100 my little brother

00:32:59.380 is probably watching

00:33:00.000 this right now

00:33:00.460 he just turned

00:33:00.940 13 and you're

00:33:02.000 his favorite

00:33:02.480 dale barrios

00:33:03.180 all right

00:33:03.980 he's got great taste

00:33:04.940 he's got really good taste

00:33:06.040 so let's bring a little bit

00:33:08.100 of disagreement here

00:33:08.960 i know you're not a big fan

00:33:09.860 of secularism

00:33:10.680 but i'd like to make a case

00:33:12.000 in favor of secularism

00:33:13.040 and conclude with the question

00:33:14.140 most of my background

00:33:15.720 was spent under the

00:33:16.720 islamic republicans

00:33:17.480 ragheads 1.00

00:33:17.940 that's what i call them

00:33:18.760 i've seen firsthand

00:33:20.080 how miserable

00:33:20.900 the enforcement of religion

00:33:22.460 by the state can be

00:33:23.460 of course islam being 0.99

00:33:24.860 such a barbaric religion 1.00

00:33:26.460 makes this whole thing

00:33:27.240 worse

00:33:27.580 unlike christianity

00:33:28.660 but overall

00:33:29.920 religion is something 0.96

00:33:30.740 that people feel

00:33:31.360 passionate about

00:33:32.100 and too much passion

00:33:33.180 can lead to extremism

00:33:34.500 how do we keep a balance

00:33:35.840 in our nation

00:33:36.460 and don't you think

00:33:37.180 secularism would be 0.95

00:33:38.240 the best way to do so

00:33:39.940 no secularism is just 0.60

00:33:42.180 is just another bad religion 1.00

00:33:44.140 you know

00:33:44.700 because religion is

00:33:46.340 is just a habit of virtue

00:33:47.900 that inclines the will

00:33:48.980 to give to god

00:33:49.840 what he deserves

00:33:50.780 that's

00:33:51.420 so we talk about religion

00:33:52.880 as though it's like a

00:33:54.360 a clothing brand

00:33:55.840 or something

00:33:56.320 you know

00:33:56.600 you have the polo religion 1.00

00:33:58.200 and i have the brooks

00:33:58.860 brothers religion

00:33:59.580 no religion is 0.99

00:34:01.100 is getting at a

00:34:02.320 fundamental human need

00:34:03.420 and desire

00:34:03.980 that cannot be stamped out

00:34:05.620 even by the worst tyrants

00:34:06.800 in the world

00:34:07.220 though they've tried

00:34:07.980 so the question is

00:34:09.680 okay

00:34:09.920 we have this intuition

00:34:10.980 that god exists

00:34:11.860 we can actually know

00:34:12.900 that god exists

00:34:13.720 merely through natural reason

00:34:15.500 though he reveals

00:34:16.440 other things

00:34:17.100 about himself to us

00:34:18.560 so what do we do about that

00:34:20.040 you know

00:34:20.300 how are we supposed

00:34:20.960 to worship him

00:34:21.580 and even how are we

00:34:22.440 just supposed to live

00:34:23.020 our lives in accordance

00:34:23.980 with his will

00:34:24.720 that's what religion is

00:34:26.160 so some religions

00:34:27.380 get it closer

00:34:28.020 than others

00:34:28.600 and what you're saying

00:34:29.580 is look

00:34:30.180 my family and i

00:34:31.060 we grew up under

00:34:31.640 a bad religion 1.00

00:34:32.460 this islam

00:34:33.800 that in its practice

00:34:35.100 in iran

00:34:35.680 was really terrible

00:34:36.600 and i don't doubt that

00:34:37.840 i'm sure you're right

00:34:39.000 about that

00:34:39.480 but i don't think

00:34:40.400 that the answer then

00:34:41.280 is to pretend

00:34:42.540 that god doesn't exist

00:34:43.860 he does

00:34:44.480 you don't want

00:34:44.860 to live in lies

00:34:45.620 and i don't think

00:34:48.120 the solution to that

00:34:48.920 is to pretend

00:34:49.460 that there's no such thing

00:34:50.220 as a moral order

00:34:51.040 one because that's

00:34:51.980 not possible

00:34:52.680 you know

00:34:53.140 the law

00:34:54.140 requires us

00:34:55.220 to make certain

00:34:56.380 moral determinations

00:34:57.740 you can't

00:34:58.580 you can't pass a law

00:34:59.540 you can't pass a law

00:35:00.780 about parking tickets

00:35:01.860 if you're not engaging

00:35:03.320 in some kind

00:35:03.880 of moral reasoning

00:35:04.580 much less a law

00:35:05.300 about murder

00:35:06.000 or about property

00:35:07.200 or about anything

00:35:07.780 like that

00:35:08.300 so you're going to

00:35:09.340 have some kind

00:35:09.940 of religion

00:35:10.380 as cardinal manning

00:35:11.380 tells us

00:35:11.980 all human conflict

00:35:13.500 ultimately is theological

00:35:14.920 so i'm with you

00:35:17.100 i wouldn't recommend

00:35:17.800 we import the mullahs

00:35:18.780 into the united states

00:35:19.860 the country was founded

00:35:21.520 as a broadly

00:35:22.480 christian country

00:35:23.480 john adams says

00:35:24.600 that the general

00:35:25.240 principles of christianity

00:35:26.500 are the principles

00:35:27.480 on which independence

00:35:28.380 was won

00:35:29.420 and he famously says

00:35:30.900 the constitution's

00:35:31.740 built only for a moral

00:35:32.640 and religious people

00:35:33.520 now does this mean

00:35:34.400 that we send the purity

00:35:35.120 police around

00:35:35.700 like the mallas do 1.00

00:35:36.440 to go stamp out

00:35:37.540 any dissent

00:35:38.140 no that's really not

00:35:39.320 in the christian tradition

00:35:40.340 it's not in the

00:35:41.640 modern christian tradition

00:35:42.500 it's not in the medieval

00:35:43.320 christian tradition even

00:35:44.540 you know

00:35:44.880 there's a lot of

00:35:46.580 a lot of fake news

00:35:48.920 about the inquisition

00:35:50.040 and the middle ages

00:35:50.660 and all that

00:35:51.140 but actually

00:35:51.900 broadly speaking

00:35:52.660 christian civilization

00:35:53.420 has been quite tolerant

00:35:54.700 has really always been

00:35:55.880 quite tolerant

00:35:56.420 just about everywhere

00:35:57.100 so what would i recommend

00:35:59.120 we do for religion

00:36:00.180 in america

00:36:00.780 probably what we did

00:36:02.320 when the country

00:36:02.860 worked well

00:36:03.520 that would be

00:36:04.440 what i recommend

00:36:05.140 which is

00:36:05.620 we recognize

00:36:06.500 that god exists

00:36:07.340 i mean he's in our

00:36:07.920 national anthem

00:36:08.540 and he's on our money

00:36:09.280 i think it's pretty clear

00:36:10.420 he exists in our

00:36:11.180 the whole premise

00:36:12.540 of the declaration

00:36:13.420 is that god exists

00:36:14.620 and gives us rights

00:36:15.460 so we acknowledge

00:36:16.760 that fact

00:36:17.640 and we practice

00:36:19.280 our traditional

00:36:20.040 kind of christian religion

00:36:21.040 and if people

00:36:22.100 don't want to go along

00:36:22.960 with it

00:36:23.280 or they want to have

00:36:23.900 their own religious

00:36:24.480 practices

00:36:24.980 we basically are

00:36:26.180 tolerant of that

00:36:27.080 and you know

00:36:27.460 we make accommodations

00:36:28.300 and things

00:36:28.900 but we don't

00:36:29.680 we don't just throw

00:36:30.300 the baby out

00:36:30.820 with the bath water

00:36:31.660 i think the new atheists 0.95

00:36:33.180 in the early 2000s

00:36:34.540 they exploited 9-11

00:36:36.700 when the muslims 0.99

00:36:38.280 had engaged

00:36:39.780 in this horrible

00:36:40.380 terror attack

00:36:41.060 on america

00:36:41.660 to try to

00:36:43.120 lump all religion 0.93

00:36:45.000 and together

00:36:45.540 but not all religion

00:36:47.420 is the same

00:36:48.080 just like not all

00:36:48.900 philosophy is the same

00:36:50.000 just like not all

00:36:50.960 ideas are the same

00:36:51.840 some are better

00:36:52.640 than others

00:36:53.100 and we should embrace

00:36:53.780 the good ones

00:36:54.500 and throw out

00:36:55.200 the bad ones

00:36:55.900 hello my name is

00:37:05.640 sofia yuzetinski

00:37:06.400 and i go to

00:37:07.300 cw university in ohio

00:37:08.860 one of the unique

00:37:10.420 characteristics of your

00:37:11.320 show that sets it apart

00:37:12.340 is the hopeful mindset

00:37:13.540 that you bring into

00:37:14.400 your interviews

00:37:15.100 and social commentary

00:37:16.100 as a christian

00:37:17.380 i would presume

00:37:18.060 that this stems

00:37:18.740 from your faith

00:37:19.440 but could you share

00:37:20.440 more about that

00:37:21.140 and how you maintain

00:37:21.940 hope in the world

00:37:22.660 we live in today

00:37:23.560 sure what a great

00:37:25.080 premise

00:37:25.540 like michael

00:37:26.460 you're so handsome

00:37:27.680 tell us about

00:37:28.460 you know i wake up

00:37:30.340 i comb my hair

00:37:31.060 yeah but thank you

00:37:31.840 i'm glad that you

00:37:32.400 find some hopefulness

00:37:33.700 in my show

00:37:34.340 when i began my show

00:37:36.240 i was told

00:37:36.980 by wiser

00:37:38.360 and frankly

00:37:39.160 more successful

00:37:40.040 conservative pundits

00:37:42.000 than i

00:37:42.980 that there were only

00:37:44.120 two routes

00:37:44.840 to being a popular

00:37:46.300 conservative

00:37:46.880 you had to be

00:37:48.380 a comedian

00:37:49.120 or you had to be

00:37:50.760 really angry

00:37:51.540 all the time

00:37:52.180 and i said well

00:37:52.980 i'm out of luck

00:37:53.880 then man

00:37:54.400 because i'm not

00:37:55.460 a comedian

00:37:55.880 and i'm rarely angry

00:37:57.400 i'm angry about

00:37:58.140 twice a year

00:37:58.880 i mean i feel

00:38:00.060 a kind of righteous

00:38:01.380 indignation

00:38:02.080 at the things

00:38:02.820 that are appropriate

00:38:03.440 but i don't let it

00:38:04.440 get me down too much

00:38:05.360 and so you say

00:38:06.100 why is this because

00:38:06.640 of your religion

00:38:07.140 i say of course

00:38:07.800 you know i mean

00:38:08.440 i don't mean to be

00:38:10.820 glib in any way

00:38:11.620 but why am i not

00:38:12.440 moping all the time

00:38:13.360 because my savior lives

00:38:14.800 and i have a conception

00:38:15.840 of how things

00:38:16.900 are going to end

00:38:17.560 good cause

00:38:20.520 for celebration

00:38:21.580 but of course

00:38:24.760 this doesn't mean

00:38:25.780 that we should not

00:38:27.180 take seriously

00:38:27.900 the practical challenges

00:38:30.000 that we face

00:38:30.760 and that we should not

00:38:31.800 you know confront them

00:38:33.400 in blunt terms

00:38:34.200 and fight against evil

00:38:35.380 and you know

00:38:36.020 try to do some

00:38:37.100 good

00:38:37.380 because

00:38:38.380 there is a

00:38:40.080 tendency among liberals

00:38:42.100 and even in

00:38:43.260 especially in liberal

00:38:44.020 christianity

00:38:44.740 to universalize

00:38:46.240 everything

00:38:46.720 well that's in fact

00:38:47.640 what we were talking

00:38:48.200 about a lot tonight

00:38:48.900 that the libs don't

00:38:49.960 want to talk about

00:38:50.480 particulars

00:38:51.000 they don't want to

00:38:51.380 care for particulars

00:38:52.340 it's just about

00:38:53.340 the human race

00:38:54.200 you know

00:38:54.520 the liberals love

00:38:55.400 humanity

00:38:55.860 they just don't like

00:38:56.560 any particular humans

00:38:57.720 all that much

00:38:58.420 that they've ever

00:38:59.120 actually met

00:38:59.940 so we need to

00:39:02.780 engage in the particulars

00:39:04.100 that particular piece

00:39:06.440 of legislation

00:39:07.100 that is about to fail

00:39:08.820 in the senate

00:39:09.320 but we can maybe

00:39:10.480 get it over the

00:39:11.220 finish line

00:39:11.740 we have to engage

00:39:12.640 with that

00:39:13.040 that particular

00:39:14.040 candidate

00:39:14.560 who's flawed

00:39:15.640 who said something

00:39:16.840 we don't like

00:39:17.460 who holds a position

00:39:18.320 that we don't like

00:39:19.180 who you know

00:39:20.380 we would be so much

00:39:21.320 better than

00:39:21.820 if we ran

00:39:22.360 you know

00:39:22.900 but if he's our

00:39:23.600 standard bearer

00:39:24.440 sometimes you got

00:39:25.180 to unify

00:39:25.660 and you got to

00:39:26.100 engage in the

00:39:26.660 practical fight

00:39:27.440 that comes from

00:39:28.660 our religion too

00:39:29.720 because

00:39:30.440 in certain religions

00:39:32.120 you know

00:39:33.660 God just kind of

00:39:34.900 gives us some poetry

00:39:35.840 or something

00:39:36.420 it's a kind of

00:39:37.480 general vague mythology

00:39:38.860 but Christianity 0.74

00:39:39.860 is not based

00:39:41.280 primarily on poetry

00:39:42.500 or philosophy even

00:39:44.440 it's based on journalism

00:39:45.640 it's based on

00:39:46.340 historical facts

00:39:47.300 that happened

00:39:47.820 in the fullness of time

00:39:49.480 you know

00:39:49.900 during a particular

00:39:51.560 reign

00:39:52.340 the reign of

00:39:53.100 Caesar Augustus

00:39:53.940 in a particular empire

00:39:55.000 the Roman Empire

00:39:56.040 which had jurisdiction

00:39:57.420 over the world

00:39:58.120 by claiming the right

00:39:58.860 to tax the whole world

00:39:59.900 the son of God

00:40:01.620 is born into history

00:40:02.900 and accomplishes

00:40:03.880 real things

00:40:04.640 in real times

00:40:05.260 with real people

00:40:06.120 you know

00:40:06.560 that tells us something

00:40:08.280 about not only

00:40:09.740 the whole scope

00:40:10.880 of salvation history

00:40:11.800 but the very tiny

00:40:13.840 little sliver of history

00:40:14.840 that you and I

00:40:15.360 find ourselves in

00:40:16.220 and how we can

00:40:17.180 advance the good

00:40:17.860 in our own way

00:40:18.700 by cooperating

00:40:19.640 with God's grace

00:40:20.280 while we're here

00:40:20.820 thank you so much

00:40:23.060 applause

00:40:25.060 applause

00:40:26.060 hi my name is Lucy

00:40:31.280 and I'm a senior

00:40:32.540 in high school

00:40:33.400 I'm Catholic

00:40:34.700 so I'm wondering

00:40:36.480 how do you

00:40:38.440 balance your faith

00:40:39.820 and political ideas

00:40:41.120 with people

00:40:41.800 who believe

00:40:42.280 the same things

00:40:42.960 politically

00:40:43.480 but not religiously

00:40:45.840 and so it's important

00:40:47.680 to spread

00:40:48.320 like prominent truths

00:40:49.580 that are key

00:40:50.200 to this country

00:40:51.420 and life itself

00:40:52.520 but how do we

00:40:53.980 do this

00:40:54.420 while having

00:40:55.000 extreme differences

00:40:55.980 that are so key

00:40:56.700 to each person

00:40:57.440 in their lives

00:40:58.180 such as religious

00:40:59.080 versus like

00:40:59.940 non-religious teachings

00:41:01.560 I try to drag them 0.57

00:41:03.000 to the inquisitor

00:41:03.920 and make sure

00:41:06.020 they're tortured

00:41:06.760 long enough

00:41:07.560 that they

00:41:08.220 eventually believe

00:41:10.200 what I do

00:41:10.580 usually

00:41:11.000 if there's an inquisitor

00:41:12.300 nearby

00:41:12.680 which there isn't

00:41:13.400 always necessarily

00:41:14.380 so

00:41:14.780 maybe I have to

00:41:15.880 do it myself

00:41:16.420 I try to keep it simple

00:41:20.420 and I think simplicity

00:41:21.660 is really helpful here

00:41:22.720 I totally recognize

00:41:26.460 and respect

00:41:26.840 that I have plenty

00:41:27.560 of friends

00:41:27.880 who have different

00:41:28.460 religious views

00:41:29.080 than I do

00:41:29.540 even different

00:41:30.080 cultural views

00:41:30.680 they even have

00:41:31.980 different political views

00:41:34.660 in as much as

00:41:35.720 if you line up

00:41:36.860 a hundred libs

00:41:38.000 in a room

00:41:38.960 99% chance

00:41:41.340 they all agree

00:41:41.980 on every single thing

00:41:42.980 and they will unify

00:41:43.880 they're all different

00:41:44.600 shades of progressive

00:41:45.400 maybe the same shade

00:41:46.360 to progressive

00:41:46.800 if you get

00:41:47.820 a hundred conservatives

00:41:48.820 into a room

00:41:49.520 you all know this

00:41:50.600 what is the

00:41:51.080 what is the first thing

00:41:52.000 they want to do

00:41:52.580 they all want to figure out

00:41:54.100 the one issue

00:41:54.980 that they disagree on

00:41:56.120 then they want to

00:41:56.840 rip each other apart

00:41:57.860 and say

00:41:58.660 you're not a true believer

00:41:59.720 no you're not

00:42:00.540 no I'm the real conservative

00:42:01.420 so it's

00:42:01.920 so this really extends

00:42:03.420 even beyond the realm

00:42:04.380 of religion

00:42:04.940 into

00:42:05.480 into thoughts

00:42:06.700 more broadly

00:42:07.280 and the way I think of it is

00:42:08.300 I just believe

00:42:10.860 certain things

00:42:11.700 and I believe

00:42:13.140 certain things

00:42:13.760 with varying degrees

00:42:14.880 of confidence

00:42:15.520 and I prioritize

00:42:17.900 certain beliefs

00:42:18.880 more than others

00:42:19.960 and certain views

00:42:21.240 that I hold

00:42:21.920 that I consider

00:42:22.560 to be true

00:42:23.160 I recognize

00:42:24.500 that sometimes

00:42:25.360 we have to make

00:42:25.960 prudential compromises

00:42:27.240 not in the belief

00:42:28.040 but in the coalitions

00:42:29.280 that we can form

00:42:29.980 to actually do something

00:42:30.920 good in the world

00:42:31.640 and I just kind of

00:42:33.420 approach politics

00:42:34.360 that way

00:42:34.880 so if a friend

00:42:36.300 of mine

00:42:36.720 comes up

00:42:37.220 and he says

00:42:37.580 Michael

00:42:37.960 you know

00:42:38.920 I believe

00:42:39.440 that God exists

00:42:40.560 and morality exists

00:42:41.760 and you know

00:42:42.760 babies are babies

00:42:43.620 and marriage is real

00:42:44.560 and boys can't become girls 0.98

00:42:45.860 and borders need to exist

00:42:47.580 and we need

00:42:48.080 some restraint

00:42:49.060 and flourishing

00:42:49.580 in America

00:42:50.180 but

00:42:50.960 I prefer

00:42:53.100 the Novus Ordo

00:42:54.540 Missae

00:42:55.120 to the Tridentine

00:42:56.400 right of the mass

00:42:57.460 so you're out

00:42:59.780 you're off my team

00:43:00.600 no you can't

00:43:01.220 you can't possibly

00:43:01.880 say that

00:43:02.400 you know

00:43:02.780 the paramount

00:43:04.240 political virtue

00:43:05.080 is prudence

00:43:05.920 it's not exactly

00:43:07.440 justice

00:43:07.900 it's not exactly

00:43:08.880 courage

00:43:09.340 courage is the

00:43:10.100 prerequisite

00:43:10.500 of the other virtues

00:43:11.300 but it's prudence

00:43:12.280 so you have to come

00:43:13.080 to prudential compromises

00:43:14.720 and purists

00:43:16.580 in political life

00:43:17.560 will say no

00:43:18.460 they'll call you

00:43:18.940 a sellout

00:43:19.520 they'll yell

00:43:20.000 all sorts of things

00:43:20.800 but they'll be doing

00:43:21.840 that from their couch

00:43:22.540 because they're not

00:43:22.980 doing anything at all

00:43:23.840 and you're going to be

00:43:24.700 out there actually

00:43:25.300 improving things

00:43:26.060 and it's

00:43:26.480 I think better

00:43:27.380 to be the man

00:43:27.920 in the arena

00:43:28.380 and I think

00:43:28.840 at least my religion

00:43:29.580 is one

00:43:29.980 that recognizes man

00:43:31.660 as a political creature

00:43:32.780 an incarnate creature

00:43:33.980 out in the world

00:43:34.860 living out

00:43:35.840 sacramental realities

00:43:36.900 and that's a perfectly

00:43:37.580 fine thing

00:43:38.220 thank you

00:43:39.860 we have time

00:43:47.080 for one final question

00:43:48.260 that's because

00:43:48.820 because I've been blabbing

00:43:49.620 so much

00:43:50.080 we've gotten to

00:43:50.560 so few questions

00:43:51.480 I'll try to keep

00:43:52.460 this one shorter

00:43:53.080 hey Mr. Knowles

00:43:53.900 my name is Juan Diaz

00:43:55.120 I'm from the University

00:43:55.880 of Texas at El Paso

00:43:56.880 and my question to you

00:43:58.340 is coming from a border city

00:43:59.400 many leftists use religion

00:44:00.980 to justify open border policies

00:44:02.720 yes they often dismiss

00:44:04.120 theological arguments

00:44:05.100 against them

00:44:05.680 how can I effectively

00:44:06.920 challenge open border policies

00:44:08.360 using secular reasoning

00:44:09.360 we can speak

00:44:11.520 in secular terms

00:44:12.820 I'm happy to do it

00:44:13.680 I did it for a lot

00:44:14.500 of my speech tonight

00:44:15.320 but ultimately

00:44:17.000 good and bad

00:44:19.300 efficient and inefficient

00:44:20.800 ultimately those kinds

00:44:22.720 of terms are going to

00:44:23.980 prove themselves

00:44:25.100 to be insufficient

00:44:26.060 to deeper terms

00:44:27.100 like sin and grace

00:44:28.700 you know ultimately

00:44:29.660 is what we're going

00:44:30.220 to get down to

00:44:30.840 so if you want to appeal

00:44:32.240 to secular reasoning

00:44:33.520 you can say

00:44:35.080 well for starters

00:44:36.160 that it's illegal

00:44:37.560 to cross the border

00:44:38.520 illegally

00:44:39.020 you could say

00:44:40.680 you could point to

00:44:41.940 the civil law

00:44:42.660 you could point to

00:44:43.220 immigration law

00:44:43.880 you could point to

00:44:44.560 the constitution

00:44:45.300 which establishes us

00:44:46.440 as a nation

00:44:47.020 distinct from other nations

00:44:48.560 that would be some

00:44:49.660 secular reasoning

00:44:50.580 you could point to

00:44:52.180 natural reason

00:44:53.880 the Aristotelian arguments

00:44:55.480 that we were discussing

00:44:56.260 tonight

00:44:56.700 for liberality

00:44:59.420 in giving to people

00:45:00.480 generously

00:45:01.660 but not to excess

00:45:02.760 you could do all of that

00:45:04.360 I guess

00:45:04.980 however

00:45:06.740 I think the more

00:45:07.840 effective way

00:45:08.580 to move the ball

00:45:09.900 down the field

00:45:10.480 with something like

00:45:11.480 immigration

00:45:12.420 where as you point out

00:45:14.600 so many religious

00:45:15.860 institutions

00:45:16.740 and organizations

00:45:17.520 are putting so

00:45:19.020 many resources

00:45:20.220 behind

00:45:21.040 subverting our

00:45:23.280 immigration law

00:45:24.060 and funneling

00:45:24.880 millions of people

00:45:25.740 into the country

00:45:26.180 probably the most

00:45:27.280 effective thing

00:45:27.800 you can do

00:45:28.280 is get a bunch

00:45:29.540 of nerds

00:45:30.220 to go do an audit

00:45:31.280 of the federal government

00:45:32.200 and recognize

00:45:33.060 that millions

00:45:34.900 and millions

00:45:35.400 and billions

00:45:35.860 of your taxpayer dollars

00:45:37.080 have been going

00:45:37.840 to fund

00:45:38.280 those very

00:45:39.000 religious organizations

00:45:40.040 that are subverting

00:45:41.220 not only our

00:45:41.820 immigration law

00:45:42.560 but also the religions

00:45:44.000 that they purport

00:45:44.760 to serve

00:45:45.260 and if we just

00:45:46.060 cut them off

00:45:47.080 from the public dole

00:45:48.340 for even like five minutes

00:45:49.820 they will wither away

00:45:50.760 because they are creations

00:45:52.180 of a liberal patronage system

00:45:54.060 that has been identified

00:45:55.480 and is increasingly

00:45:56.920 being nuked

00:45:57.720 by a South African

00:45:59.040 rocket man

00:46:00.000 and electric car maker

00:46:01.760 so that

00:46:02.420 in a very practical sense

00:46:04.140 that is what I would

00:46:05.220 focus on

00:46:05.760 I would focus on

00:46:06.720 the very real

00:46:07.780 and even material

00:46:09.400 sticks and carrots

00:46:10.480 that exist

00:46:11.540 to create this funnel

00:46:13.420 of people

00:46:13.820 coming into the country 0.53

00:46:14.700 and then you can make

00:46:16.160 your secular arguments

00:46:17.140 but then you should ask

00:46:18.440 your interlocutors

00:46:19.540 you say

00:46:20.000 why do we have to make

00:46:21.240 secular arguments

00:46:22.180 ultimately

00:46:23.120 you know

00:46:23.700 like God exists

00:46:25.140 and morality is real

00:46:26.100 and we all behave

00:46:26.800 as though that's true

00:46:27.660 24 hours of the day

00:46:29.340 even when we're sinning

00:46:30.640 we behave that's true

00:46:31.420 because we feel guilty

00:46:32.160 about it

00:46:32.660 so you know

00:46:33.640 cut the nonsense man

00:46:35.460 let's just

00:46:35.940 let's just talk turkey

00:46:37.440 it's just me and you here kid

00:46:38.540 you know

00:46:38.740 that's how I would

00:46:39.480 talk about it

00:46:40.160 and perhaps you'll disarm them

00:46:41.900 and maybe you'll be able

00:46:42.540 to convince them

00:46:43.060 of things

00:46:43.560 that are even more important

00:46:45.040 believe it or not

00:46:45.680 than the southern border

00:46:46.960 thank you very much

00:46:48.520 wonderful to be with you

00:46:49.540 thank you

The Michael Knowles Show - February 08, 2025

Michael Knowles Live at YAF - ＂Ordo Amoris： The Hierarchy of Political Love＂

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript