The Michael Knowles Show - December 13, 2025


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On this episode of Thick & Thin, the guys talk about abortion, Black Lives Matter, and whether or not fetuses are worth the same as human life. Plus, a new segment called "When Do Humans Get Tough?" where the guys try to figure out who would win in a fight between Luke and Luke.

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00:00:30.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on, I got a, I got a, I have a whole sentence that you're interrupting.
00:00:34.360 You have to go to their page to see it.
00:00:36.380 You have just described how government works, yes.
00:00:38.740 Do you want to protect the millions of babies that are being slaughtered by their parents?
00:00:52.820 That's a federal crime, 42 U.S. Code, section 408.
00:00:56.080 Sure, sure, sure, sure.
00:00:57.220 You never found evidence linking him to Hunter, but even so.
00:01:01.440 You never found evidence, the money went straight to his house.
00:01:03.720 That's not true.
00:01:04.860 Yes, yes.
00:01:06.240 Was he a Republican or was he a Democrat? 1.00
00:01:08.780 You know, he's a psychopath. 0.99
00:01:10.500 I don't want to embarrass you, Adam. 1.00
00:01:12.240 That makes you look like a weirdo.
00:01:13.920 You should have clapped.
00:01:14.660 Okay, next question.
00:01:22.220 Is that okay?
00:01:23.080 This question is for Xena.
00:01:25.920 I'm assuming you're a supporter of Black Lives Matter?
00:01:29.640 I do believe Black Lives Matter, yes.
00:01:31.280 Okay, okay, good, good.
00:01:32.380 So, if you're in favor of protecting Black lives, where do you believe the most dangerous place in our country is right now for Black children?
00:01:39.640 That depends.
00:01:40.440 Probably at the hands of law enforcement. 0.95
00:01:43.880 I think that would be, like, the worst place for a lot of Black children to be. 1.00
00:01:46.820 Okay, so, according to the CDC, 17 million black babies have been aborted since Roe v. Wade. 0.94
00:01:53.180 That's 35% of the current black population in America.
00:01:57.540 So, if you really care about Black Lives Matter, wouldn't you want to protect the millions of babies that are being slaughtered by their parents?
00:02:06.260 Yeah.
00:02:06.740 So, the only problem is, when you're with your girlfriend and she needs to get a plan B, we don't kind of charge her with murder, right?
00:02:16.960 That's because fetuses don't have personhood.
00:02:18.680 Who needs to get a plan B?
00:02:20.260 It's an abortion drug. 1.00
00:02:22.500 A lot of people do.
00:02:23.800 You don't need to.
00:02:24.560 You can just get the kid.
00:02:26.200 You could.
00:02:27.180 Or you can also, you know, engage in your rights and get a plan B.
00:02:31.300 Like a lot of men do. 0.99
00:02:31.800 You could kill your kid. 0.99
00:02:32.500 But he's saying that's bad, and it's bad specifically for Black people. 1.00
00:02:34.720 Any women in here who have IUDs, you could be considered a murderer, according to Michael Knowles. 1.00
00:02:40.360 No, IUDs are not necessarily a board of fashion the way the plan B are.
00:02:43.300 Of course they are.
00:02:43.320 And in many different cases, IUDs will actually remove the eggs.
00:02:46.780 I don't support those eggs, but they're different than plan B.
00:02:49.920 Fertilized eggs from the uterus.
00:02:53.280 From implantation.
00:02:54.260 Or implantation, you're right.
00:02:55.400 And that would lead to a baby no longer being able to be conceived. 0.60
00:02:59.640 So, yes, that would be considered a murder of a human person, right?
00:03:03.360 That it would be equal to any of the lives in here, which isn't the case.
00:03:07.700 If we had, like, 50 fetuses just, like, stacked up on this table, and we took 50 people from the audience,
00:03:14.480 would you say, like, these lives are worth the same?
00:03:18.100 Are those lives the same?
00:03:20.020 Yeah, I think all human life has equal dignity.
00:03:23.040 So, if we said, okay, let's take Luke over here.
00:03:27.000 If we said Luke or one fetus, like, literally sitting, like, on the table.
00:03:33.080 Xena, when do human beings... 1.00
00:03:35.660 I like Luke.
00:03:37.020 Come on, that's not nice.
00:03:38.360 She didn't even ask the question yet.
00:03:40.140 Which one would you...
00:03:40.980 If you had to choose between saving the life of Luke or a fetus sat on this table,
00:03:46.080 which one would you choose, Michael?
00:03:47.640 Xena, when do you believe that human beings get rights?
00:03:49.660 I know, it's tough.
00:03:50.580 Okay, next question.
00:03:51.280 That sums everything up.
00:03:53.460 So, I want to speak to your analogy.
00:03:56.020 You said if, in response to the ICE agents coming into cities where the governors are saying they don't want them,
00:04:03.600 you said if someone came into your house uninvited, there would be consequences.
00:04:07.100 So, this country is our house, it's our home,
00:04:09.700 so how would you feel about the consequences for the people who are here illegally and uninvited?
00:04:14.880 Great point.
00:04:15.300 You know, I was just reading about, reading up on statistics on that today,
00:04:20.460 and some of you are going to hate this, but it's factual.
00:04:25.760 Immigrants, including undocumented immigrants, are less likely to commit crime
00:04:28.300 than people who were born in this country.
00:04:30.000 And, statistically, the more immigrants there are in a community,
00:04:32.620 the less crime there is in that community per capita.
00:04:34.300 Statistically, 100% of illegal immigrants have committed a crime. 0.99
00:04:37.360 Google it, man.
00:04:38.360 It's actually factually true.
00:04:40.500 It's true.
00:04:41.100 It's a little complicated.
00:04:42.860 Let's be clear about it.
00:04:43.720 He just said they already committed a crime.
00:04:45.520 I want to be clear.
00:04:46.260 Being in the country, most people who are here without papers got here on, like, a tourist visa and overstayed.
00:04:52.240 Most people who are here illegally did not. 0.99
00:04:53.980 No, not over the last four years.
00:04:55.340 Hold on.
00:04:55.700 I have a whole sentence that you're interrupting.
00:04:58.080 But, to be clear, that legally, being, if all you've done is been in this country without papers,
00:05:04.420 that's legally more like a misdemeanor closer to a parking ticket than it is to a felony.
00:05:09.960 That's a legal fact.
00:05:11.600 So, hold on.
00:05:12.300 You make a very good point, which is that a first-time entry, barring other conditions,
00:05:16.560 can be a misdemeanor for sure.
00:05:17.960 Yeah.
00:05:18.360 Reentry would be a felony.
00:05:19.760 There are other associated crimes with this.
00:05:22.080 However, I would ask one question.
00:05:24.200 Do illegal aliens pay federal taxes? 0.99
00:05:27.460 Yeah, actually, they do.
00:05:28.880 They do.
00:05:29.500 Sales tax and income tax often.
00:05:31.480 90 billion, I believe.
00:05:32.200 Actually, the IRS has a whole system for people who are undocumented to file taxes.
00:05:35.620 Okay, so I'm glad.
00:05:36.740 And, by the way, economists overwhelmingly believe that immigration, including illegal immigration,
00:05:41.140 is a net positive.
00:05:41.860 Forget about that.
00:05:42.660 That's true.
00:05:42.880 I just have one.
00:05:43.920 Overwhelmingly.
00:05:44.280 I have one question for you.
00:05:45.720 Because if you make the point, as you have, that actually, you know, illegal aliens,
00:05:50.040 even though they don't have social security numbers, they do pay federal taxes because,
00:05:53.320 you know, to get employment, sometimes they'll use other social security numbers, so they
00:05:58.080 don't get the benefits, but they do pay into the system.
00:06:00.820 That's a fact.
00:06:01.460 Yeah, okay.
00:06:02.180 That's a federal crime.
00:06:03.360 42 U.S. Code, Section 408.
00:06:05.380 Sure.
00:06:05.580 It's a federal crime to steal a social security number.
00:06:07.740 So, there you go.
00:06:08.460 You got it.
00:06:08.940 No, no.
00:06:09.240 I just want to be clear.
00:06:10.000 I just want to be clear.
00:06:10.640 The IRS has a process for people to pay taxes without it.
00:06:12.520 It's stealing the social security number, which he just admitted is a crime.
00:06:15.720 What happens here is we money up violent crime versus paperwork.
00:06:18.160 Okay, so now it's...
00:06:19.140 That is not the same.
00:06:20.020 It's not that they don't commit crimes, it's that they don't commit violent crimes.
00:06:22.100 Who has not had a speeding ticket ever in this room?
00:06:24.800 I don't know if it's quite like a speeding ticket.
00:06:26.300 All right, well, I've had a few.
00:06:27.420 Live your life on the edge.
00:06:28.740 A lot of good drivers out there.
00:06:29.720 Should we throw you into a prison surrounded by alligators because of your speeding ticket?
00:06:33.680 Also, also, fun fact.
00:06:35.060 We treat different crimes.
00:06:35.920 Fun fact, more than 70% of people in ICE custody today don't even have an accusation of a crime,
00:06:42.020 let alone a record.
00:06:43.380 It's true.
00:06:43.760 I think the accusation is they came into the country illegally.
00:06:45.880 Okay.
00:06:47.440 So, I mean, just be consistent.
00:06:48.960 I've been very consistent.
00:06:50.060 Be consistent.
00:06:50.780 I am being consistent.
00:06:52.000 If you did one story about Hunter Biden, you better be a hundred times as outraged at
00:06:57.620 Trump going, getting the UAE to invest billions, make his world, literally financial billions
00:07:04.540 in a business deal.
00:07:05.300 And then immediately, all of a sudden, he releases the restrictions on the AI chips that
00:07:09.580 they really wanted, which could then get into China's hands because he was enriched.
00:07:14.620 Same thing with the Binance guy.
00:07:15.980 He ends up pardoning the guy after Binance makes a bunch of money for World Liberty Financial.
00:07:22.200 That's brazen corruption, right?
00:07:24.500 Yeah, I guess.
00:07:25.340 Yeah, it is.
00:07:26.080 My point is on some of these, no, a lot of these financial dealings of Trump, a lot of
00:07:33.080 it occurred during the interregnum.
00:07:34.600 You know, the crypto thing occurred before he was brought in.
00:07:36.500 No, no, not the UAE deal.
00:07:37.860 Oh, I'm sorry.
00:07:38.440 I thought you brought up crypto earlier, which is usually the one that most people point to.
00:07:41.380 I'm saying, how could you justify someone giving benefits to either people through pardons
00:07:45.800 or countries through restriction relief after that country or that person enriches his family
00:07:52.680 to the tune of billions?
00:07:53.680 Yeah, listen, I think that President Trump has done a very good job being an international
00:07:57.860 businessman, leveraging relationships for the good of the United States.
00:08:01.100 I think that's true.
00:08:02.160 And what I also think.
00:08:03.260 How could you be, wait, were you ever mad about Hunter Biden and Joe Biden?
00:08:06.120 Yeah, I was mad that the Biden family sold American influence and fired a Ukrainian official
00:08:11.800 in order to enrich his son.
00:08:13.440 Yeah, I think those are different.
00:08:15.440 Biden was, you never found evidence linking him to Hunter, but even so.
00:08:20.680 You never found evidence.
00:08:21.500 The money went straight to his house.
00:08:23.120 That's not true.
00:08:23.700 It did.
00:08:24.600 It wrote his speech.
00:08:25.120 It was never a reimbursement of a loan.
00:08:26.940 But after all of y'all made of that, a whole big scandal, and then Trump takes all over
00:08:32.940 and there's no ambiguity.
00:08:34.480 There's no.
00:08:34.920 And his sons are going around the world making a bunch of money for his family.
00:08:37.820 And then he's trading favors.
00:08:39.740 Yeah, listen, he has a very successful business and his sons are businessmen.
00:08:42.640 So that's, I guess.
00:08:43.700 Do you take back everything about Hunter?
00:08:45.000 Certainly not.
00:08:45.680 That was brazen corruption.
00:08:46.620 Why?
00:08:46.840 What's the difference?
00:08:47.420 This is the.
00:08:48.000 What's the difference?
00:08:49.080 Here's the difference.
00:08:50.380 Here's the difference.
00:08:51.380 Eric and Donald Trump Jr.
00:08:52.980 Someone in the crowd, I'd love to hear you explain that.
00:08:54.720 You're so mad and proud, you don't know what you're talking about.
00:08:56.460 Here's the difference.
00:08:57.140 Eric and Donald Trump Jr. have very longstanding business careers long before Donald Trump
00:09:00.280 entered office.
00:09:00.660 They don't have specific deals with people who need something from the government.
00:09:03.500 They have new deals.
00:09:04.660 He doesn't want me to answer the question.
00:09:06.220 He doesn't want me to answer the question.
00:09:07.800 You don't know what you're talking about.
00:09:08.800 Trump, you know what?
00:09:10.040 I can tell you the difference if you want.
00:09:11.800 You know what Trump's doing?
00:09:12.920 He doesn't need big tech to censor or whatever.
00:09:15.200 He's censoring the media himself.
00:09:18.760 Yes, he is.
00:09:20.240 We've done.
00:09:21.940 Hold on one second.
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00:10:28.680 Hey, what's up?
00:10:29.520 I was just at Raising Cane's with some friends, and they were like, oh, we need some people
00:10:32.940 that probably aren't Republicans in here, so we're in here now.
00:10:37.380 If you're a Republican, no, hey, I'm like kind of way more small government leaning, so
00:10:42.440 like all this like, oh, like what the states want and what the mayor wants, I'm just going
00:10:46.700 to do what I want because I'm the White House is like kind of psycho to me, right?
00:10:50.100 Like that's not, that's probably not going to foster like a healthy society when you have
00:10:54.220 like the federal government really overstepping.
00:10:56.660 Coming from this side of things, I'm just kind of curious, why are you so set on making
00:11:02.100 like left-wing violence and right-wing violence? 0.98
00:11:04.680 Because like obviously, sometimes people are f***ing psychopaths, right? 0.98
00:11:08.560 Like we're on the same page there. 0.98
00:11:09.940 Like there's people that like, oh, they grew up in a MAGA household, and then they like 0.99
00:11:13.920 got addicted to porn on like f***ing 4chan, and they be, you know, they go psycho, and 0.99
00:11:18.320 they kill people. 0.99
00:11:19.120 And it's so weird to watch like experts be like, was he a Republican, or was he a Democrat? 1.00
00:11:24.180 So you know, he's a f***ing psychopath. 0.99
00:11:25.540 Like, like, I, I, so I have my master's degree in psychology, right? 1.00
00:11:29.860 That's why I don't care. 1.00
00:11:31.780 And like, I just think it's kind of f***ing stupid, just to be real. 0.99
00:11:35.180 Okay. 1.00
00:11:35.500 I agree.
00:11:36.000 I mean, you have to, you what?
00:11:37.980 Yeah.
00:11:38.760 So.
00:11:39.780 It's just, it's just very reductive the way that we do this.
00:11:43.380 Yeah.
00:11:43.620 I think that's a great point.
00:11:45.340 I think one thing that I will say is that if we looked at, at some of the trends that
00:11:50.240 are worth looking at, it, there is a real white male violence problem.
00:11:54.960 Just about every time there's a shooting.
00:11:56.880 I know you, I know, look, I know, I know you don't like, I know you, I know you've decided
00:12:00.540 that all comments that paint white men in a bad light is bad.
00:12:03.860 Do we have to break out the crime statistics?
00:12:05.860 Because I don't know if we want to break out the crime statistics.
00:12:08.000 Just about every time there's a shooter, it's like, oh, surprise, surprise.
00:12:11.160 It's another white guy who got radicalized online.
00:12:13.260 We have a radicalization problem. 0.97
00:12:15.280 You, you think white guys are, are more likely to commit violent crime than other races or. 0.90
00:12:20.460 No, I didn't say that. 0.98
00:12:21.900 In mass shooting specifically, we have a radicalization problem with white men. 0.64
00:12:26.580 Yeah.
00:12:26.700 Yeah.
00:12:27.020 Okay.
00:12:27.400 Well, I guess one thought that I would have in response to your question is the reason
00:12:31.380 why it matters if they're on the left and the right, some people are just psychotic and
00:12:34.600 you can't identify an ideological motive.
00:12:36.420 Sure.
00:12:36.700 That that's true.
00:12:37.340 But sometimes you can.
00:12:38.620 And it seems to me that if you want to fix a problem, you have to first identify what
00:12:42.900 the problem is.
00:12:43.860 And so if you refuse, if you just bury your head in the sand, or if you say it's the other
00:12:48.600 side, then you're not going to solve the problem.
00:12:52.180 In all of the complexity of conversation, nobody has asked directly, what is capitalism?
00:12:57.660 And can you explain the differences between Democrats and Republican thinking?
00:13:01.380 I want to go.
00:13:02.740 Xena.
00:13:03.860 This is my thing.
00:13:05.460 Everybody.
00:13:06.640 Capitalism is an economic system in which means production are owned privately.
00:13:10.840 Think of means production as factories, as land, as the things that we use to create,
00:13:15.720 it's capital, right?
00:13:16.820 The things that we use to create capital.
00:13:18.720 These things, this means production are owned by a very small fuel.
00:13:23.100 Not many people own the means of production.
00:13:25.780 Most of us are selling our labor.
00:13:27.800 Like, for example, most of you guys have a nine to five that you go and you get a kind
00:13:32.560 of a wage back, right?
00:13:34.080 From capitalists, those who own means production.
00:13:36.240 The problem is we assume that people who own the means production earned that somehow.
00:13:40.660 When really, the people who did first acclaim the majority of these resources, it happened
00:13:45.900 a long time ago and they kept passing it down generations, generations, generations.
00:13:49.860 The problem is people who first came here, they did a lot of bad stuff.
00:13:53.440 They took a lot of land and their ancestors still owned that land.
00:13:57.180 They were heroes.
00:13:58.480 They were heroes.
00:13:59.280 The people who slaughtered a bunch of people and then took all their land and then started 0.98
00:14:04.280 profiting off of it and then also selling people's labor and their livelihoods for money.
00:14:08.640 Those are heroes.
00:14:10.120 Interesting point.
00:14:10.960 The Indians slaughtered a lot of people, too, if we're being totally honest about it. 1.00
00:14:13.940 Do we want to compare numbers?
00:14:14.720 I don't think that it would look good, right?
00:14:16.520 Well, we won the war.
00:14:17.480 Yeah, you won the war by doing what, Michael?
00:14:20.860 Well, by settling the land and building a great country that you live in and that you prosper.
00:14:24.200 And that people were already living on by killing them, spreading diseases towards them and also women. 0.74
00:14:29.620 So, yeah.
00:14:30.260 Women? 1.00
00:14:30.520 Where'd you get that from?
00:14:31.020 That happened all the time.
00:14:32.700 With that being said, that's what capitalism is.
00:14:35.160 I have a question to your point.
00:14:36.080 Republicans and Democrats both support capitalism, right?
00:14:41.000 Of course.
00:14:41.840 But capitalism is a system that is exceedingly failing as the gap between us and the 1% and 0.77
00:14:48.140 people who own all this capital continues to increase, increase, increase.
00:14:51.280 What's going to happen, especially as AI comes along that continues to be able to do your
00:14:54.980 job, is that 1% of the population is going to own all that AI that can do your jobs.
00:14:59.220 And what happens then when they can create the labor and supply it for themselves?
00:15:04.040 Where does your job go?
00:15:04.740 Okay, Zina, I have a question for your point.
00:15:05.820 So you say that capitalism is where the means of production are owned privately.
00:15:10.560 I agree with that.
00:15:11.400 And you say that a very, very small number of people own the means of production.
00:15:15.140 So my question to you is, how many Americans invest in the stock market?
00:15:18.700 How many Americans have the means to invest in the stock market?
00:15:22.960 How many Americans have the capital to invest in the stock market?
00:15:28.020 What's the answer?
00:15:29.360 Majority of the Americans are broke.
00:15:31.280 What is the answer?
00:15:32.160 What percentage of Americans invest in the stock market?
00:15:34.740 Not many because not many.
00:15:36.160 62%.
00:15:36.580 So most Americans own the means of production.
00:15:38.360 How many Americans and how many Americans are profiting significantly from the stock?
00:15:43.940 62% because we have the highest stock market ever under Donald Trump.
00:15:46.420 That doesn't mean that everyone is profiting from the stock market.
00:15:48.820 They are.
00:15:49.180 Everyone is invested in it.
00:15:50.080 Everyone is invested in the S&P.
00:15:51.500 It's doing great.
00:15:53.320 I understand what you're saying, that it's self-inflicted.
00:15:56.600 Because I think if a man sees a problem, he shouldn't blame anybody else for it.
00:16:01.100 He should do whatever he has to do to fix the problem.
00:16:04.320 But what do you think?
00:16:05.540 What do you think?
00:16:06.700 What do you think about the fact that an estimated 1.4 million women in America are on OnlyFans?
00:16:13.460 And most of them aren't making any money from it.
00:16:16.140 So if you're in college and you're trying to meet the person you're going to be with the rest of your life, 0.95
00:16:22.520 what are you supposed to do when 25% of the chicks around there are showing their tits online for free? 1.00
00:16:27.420 Free market, baby. 0.95
00:16:27.960 Well, then that's not...
00:16:29.200 Okay, so then...
00:16:30.100 Well, since they're out there and you know they're on OnlyFans and that,
00:16:32.820 you already can write them off as the chick you don't want.
00:16:35.680 So I guess they're exposing themselves so that you know that's not for me.
00:16:38.920 I'm just saying it's harder to catch a fish when you dump toxic waste in the pond is all I'm saying.
00:16:43.360 You know, hold on.
00:16:44.560 His other problem with it, your problem with it, right when you said the question was,
00:16:49.140 not that they're on OnlyFans, but that they're not making any money from it.
00:16:52.260 That's the big...
00:16:52.860 There's an argument if she's making a million dollars a month. 1.00
00:16:55.220 I mean, if they're doing it for no money, that's just stupid. 0.99
00:16:58.040 But also, there can't be a seller without a buyer. 0.52
00:17:01.320 So maybe if men stop going on OnlyFans, we wouldn't do it.
00:17:05.840 The reason why OnlyFans is popular is because a lot of lonely young men buy OnlyFans.
00:17:09.280 Yes, there can't be a seller without a buyer.
00:17:11.120 But aren't those lonely young men...
00:17:12.140 Yeah, but if there's nothing to buy, you can't buy it.
00:17:14.700 If there's nothing to buy, you can't buy it.
00:17:16.060 I thought we liked free market capitalism in here.
00:17:18.140 I thought if there was demand for something...
00:17:19.280 Not unrestrained by a moral order.
00:17:20.880 If there is demand...
00:17:21.800 Wait, so you're okay...
00:17:22.760 I don't worship mammon.
00:17:23.920 Are you okay with the government stepping in if there's a moral...
00:17:26.460 For sure.
00:17:27.000 Wait, so is the government in your eyes...
00:17:28.400 Sorry, I don't really know much about your ideology.
00:17:29.740 Is the government in your eyes the ultimate arbiter of what's moral and what's not?
00:17:32.680 No, there's an objective moral order that we can intuit because we're creatures of reason.
00:17:36.800 Wait, so OnlyFans is objectively bad in your eyes?
00:17:38.700 Yeah, for sure.
00:17:39.280 Not in my eyes, so it's not objective.
00:17:40.500 Yeah, I don't care.
00:17:41.240 No, just because you're wrong about something doesn't mean it's not...
00:17:44.320 That's convenient.
00:17:45.120 That's convenient for you.
00:17:45.960 No, no, no.
00:17:46.260 Listen, two plus two equals four.
00:17:47.960 You talk to a three-year-old kid, he might think two plus two equals five.
00:17:50.700 That doesn't mean that we just throw our hands in the air and can't come to a conclusion.
00:17:53.500 There is a creator economy in OnlyFans with not only millions or 1.4 million girls participating, 0.99
00:17:58.160 but even more millions of men.
00:17:59.640 So all of these people in your eyes are just complete moral degenerates who are wrong.
00:18:05.040 Yeah, basically. 0.67
00:18:06.360 Okay.
00:18:07.020 But then we all sin.
00:18:08.360 All people sin.
00:18:08.900 What's your governmental prescription to stop that from happening?
00:18:10.760 What's your prescription?
00:18:11.460 Does the government step in and regulate OnlyFans, stop men from buying that? 0.61
00:18:15.540 Okay, wait.
00:18:16.140 I want to ask that.
00:18:16.700 That's not small government.
00:18:17.940 That's more government.
00:18:18.720 So you want more government to step in?
00:18:20.180 Yeah, I want a proper, limited government that pursues the common good.
00:18:24.760 I want to ask the audience.
00:18:25.320 No, I'm not a libertarian, but I'm a conservative.
00:18:27.120 But I want to ask the audience a quick question.
00:18:29.180 Okay, for the guys in here, clap if you would want to see OnlyFans completely go away.
00:18:36.640 Yes!
00:18:37.560 Yes!
00:18:38.640 Okay, okay, wait.
00:18:40.000 All right.
00:18:40.800 Okay, wait.
00:18:42.700 Hold on, Adam, you're not clapping.
00:18:44.660 Now clap if you wouldn't want it to go away.
00:18:48.220 I don't get it.
00:18:48.980 You don't have to watch it.
00:18:50.420 Hold on.
00:18:50.840 I don't want to embarrass you, Adam, but notice here. 0.92
00:18:53.600 She said, do you want to see this, like, disgusting pornography site go away? 1.00
00:18:57.020 And clap if you want to do it.
00:18:58.220 And you didn't clap. 0.94
00:18:59.380 That makes you look like a weirdo.
00:19:01.080 You should have clapped.
00:19:02.200 You should have clapped.
00:19:02.880 I don't think I look like a weirdo.
00:19:04.200 Can I just explain?
00:19:05.180 Yes.
00:19:05.440 I'm just rather agnostic.
00:19:06.620 I think if there's supply and demand, I think there's demand for an economy. 0.92
00:19:08.460 You've got women being exploited, selling their bodies for sex. 1.00
00:19:11.320 They're going to be washed out of it. 0.96
00:19:12.720 They're going to have trouble getting jobs.
00:19:14.020 No man's going to want them, like Nick said.
00:19:14.860 That's their personal decision, though.
00:19:16.780 That's their personal decision.
00:19:17.480 But it's a bad decision.
00:19:18.420 I think it's valid work.
00:19:19.380 So are you their boss or their dad?
00:19:21.460 No, I'm a citizen in a self-governing republic that makes laws to protect the common good.
00:19:26.340 You have to go to their page to see it.
00:19:28.340 You know what my question is?
00:19:29.380 Yeah.
00:19:29.580 If you want the government to be able to step in and regulate something like OnlyFans,
00:19:33.800 which it currently does on the books, by the way, because we have a sanity of those.
00:19:36.600 Can I just point out the problem?
00:19:37.320 When the government is orbiting what's moral like that,
00:19:39.980 then what happens when the next administration comes in and they say,
00:19:42.360 hmm, any dude with a mic who is spewing stuff like Michael Knowles is,
00:19:45.540 I think that that's immoral.
00:19:46.580 I think that that is objectively immoral, and I want to regulate dudes with microphones.
00:19:50.000 There is a slippery slope that happens.
00:19:51.420 You have just described how government works.
00:19:53.500 Yes, that's true.
00:19:54.740 No, no, no.
00:19:55.920 I am describing what happens when one government overreaches and tries to impose their morals,
00:20:00.200 and you have a slippery slope.
00:20:01.440 Wait, so if you're saying this is how government works,
00:20:03.760 why doesn't the Trump administration regulate and ban OnlyFans like everyone in this room wants?
00:20:07.360 Because they are not going to do that.
00:20:08.360 Well, because the Supreme Court weakened the obscenity laws,
00:20:11.900 which have been on the books since the founding of the country,
00:20:14.000 and they did that in the middle of the 20th century, which is terrible.
00:20:15.840 So it's not how administrations work,
00:20:17.300 because the Supreme Court is not allowing the administration to do it.
00:20:19.800 No, but George W. Bush prosecuted a pornographer for obscenity in 2008.
00:20:23.700 One pornographer is different than banning an industry.
00:20:25.920 At the federal level.
00:20:26.600 You want the government to ban an industry.
00:20:28.500 When's the last time the government's banned an industry that has demand?
00:20:32.200 What was the answer out there?
00:20:35.100 Prostitution? 0.99
00:20:35.620 Well, it depends. 0.99
00:20:36.260 In certain places, prostitution. 0.92
00:20:37.260 I was going to say, it's still legal in certain places.
00:20:38.440 When's the last time they have banned, federally, some sort of demand market?
00:20:43.820 Narcotics.
00:20:44.880 Narcotics?
00:20:45.800 Not, well, marijuana, for that matter, at the federal level, not at the state level.
00:20:50.600 I guess that works, but I just don't think that's comparable to OnlyFans.
00:20:52.840 Adam, wouldn't you say that all laws, to some degree, have recourse to morality?
00:20:59.180 Because we say, this is good, and this is bad,
00:21:01.320 and we need to be good to the asylum seekers,
00:21:03.220 and we need to be good to the trans children, or whatever.
00:21:06.600 You're always making recourse to moral arguments.
00:21:09.400 You just don't like it when we do it.
00:21:10.700 No, it's the thing about you, though,
00:21:12.460 is that all your positions are personal decisions and morals for you
00:21:17.760 that you want to impose on me.
00:21:20.000 No, well, I think, actually, that statement that you just made,
00:21:23.040 that's your personal opinion about how government should work,
00:21:25.760 but I don't want you to impose that personal opinion
00:21:28.180 about what I can do with my government on me.
00:21:30.140 And I don't want you to decide,
00:21:32.180 oh, all these women and men can't do OnlyFans. 1.00
00:21:35.140 Well, I don't want you to decide that I can't decide
00:21:37.440 that all those women and men can do OnlyFans. 0.97
00:21:38.780 You can have that opinion, but you can't actually enforce that.
00:21:40.560 And you can have that opinion, too,
00:21:42.040 but you can't make me listen to you
00:21:43.680 when you say that I can't make the government ban OnlyFans.
00:21:45.500 That's not what I'm trying to do.
00:21:45.980 The difference between you and I
00:21:46.860 is I don't want to put anything into legislation that stops people.
00:21:49.320 And the difference between you and I
00:21:50.400 is I don't want women to be trafficked for pornography. 1.00
00:21:53.060 Who the fuck is being trafficked 0.99
00:21:54.100 when they decide to do it themselves? 0.99
00:21:55.340 You have to go to the page.
00:21:58.640 Do the prostitutes on the street decide for themselves? 1.00
00:22:01.980 I mean, depending on the chick, right?
00:22:03.500 I don't know.
00:22:04.020 I'm not on the street.
00:22:04.940 Maybe, yeah.
00:22:05.220 I don't know.
00:22:05.620 I don't know.
00:22:07.280 I don't know.
00:22:08.440 I don't know.
00:22:09.180 I don't know.
00:22:10.300 I don't know.
00:22:11.080 I don't know.
00:22:11.880 I don't know.
00:22:11.960 I don't know.
00:22:12.520 I don't know.
00:22:12.560 I don't know.
00:22:13.200 I don't know.
00:22:13.500 I don't know.
00:22:13.700 I don't know.
00:22:14.520 I think I've been thinking that I can.
00:22:15.380 You know.
00:22:15.420 I don't know.
00:22:16.380 I don't know.
00:22:17.820 I don't know.
00:22:18.380 I don't know.
00:22:18.900 I don't know.
00:22:20.140 I don't know.
00:22:21.380 I do know.
00:22:21.800 You know.