Michael Knowles MIC DROP Moments From BAR FIGHT Debates
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On this episode of Thick & Thin, the guys talk about abortion, Black Lives Matter, and whether or not fetuses are worth the same as human life. Plus, a new segment called "When Do Humans Get Tough?" where the guys try to figure out who would win in a fight between Luke and Luke.
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Hold on, hold on, hold on, I got a, I got a, I have a whole sentence that you're interrupting.
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You have just described how government works, yes.
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Do you want to protect the millions of babies that are being slaughtered by their parents?
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That's a federal crime, 42 U.S. Code, section 408.
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You never found evidence linking him to Hunter, but even so.
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You never found evidence, the money went straight to his house.
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I'm assuming you're a supporter of Black Lives Matter?
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So, if you're in favor of protecting Black lives, where do you believe the most dangerous place in our country is right now for Black children?
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I think that would be, like, the worst place for a lot of Black children to be.
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Okay, so, according to the CDC, 17 million black babies have been aborted since Roe v. Wade.
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That's 35% of the current black population in America.
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So, if you really care about Black Lives Matter, wouldn't you want to protect the millions of babies that are being slaughtered by their parents?
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So, the only problem is, when you're with your girlfriend and she needs to get a plan B, we don't kind of charge her with murder, right?
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Or you can also, you know, engage in your rights and get a plan B.
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But he's saying that's bad, and it's bad specifically for Black people.
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Any women in here who have IUDs, you could be considered a murderer, according to Michael Knowles.
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No, IUDs are not necessarily a board of fashion the way the plan B are.
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And in many different cases, IUDs will actually remove the eggs.
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I don't support those eggs, but they're different than plan B.
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And that would lead to a baby no longer being able to be conceived.
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So, yes, that would be considered a murder of a human person, right?
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That it would be equal to any of the lives in here, which isn't the case.
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If we had, like, 50 fetuses just, like, stacked up on this table, and we took 50 people from the audience,
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would you say, like, these lives are worth the same?
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Yeah, I think all human life has equal dignity.
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So, if we said, okay, let's take Luke over here.
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If we said Luke or one fetus, like, literally sitting, like, on the table.
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If you had to choose between saving the life of Luke or a fetus sat on this table,
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Xena, when do you believe that human beings get rights?
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You said if, in response to the ICE agents coming into cities where the governors are saying they don't want them,
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you said if someone came into your house uninvited, there would be consequences.
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so how would you feel about the consequences for the people who are here illegally and uninvited?
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You know, I was just reading about, reading up on statistics on that today,
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and some of you are going to hate this, but it's factual.
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Immigrants, including undocumented immigrants, are less likely to commit crime
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And, statistically, the more immigrants there are in a community,
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the less crime there is in that community per capita.
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Statistically, 100% of illegal immigrants have committed a crime.
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Being in the country, most people who are here without papers got here on, like, a tourist visa and overstayed.
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I have a whole sentence that you're interrupting.
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But, to be clear, that legally, being, if all you've done is been in this country without papers,
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that's legally more like a misdemeanor closer to a parking ticket than it is to a felony.
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You make a very good point, which is that a first-time entry, barring other conditions,
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Actually, the IRS has a whole system for people who are undocumented to file taxes.
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And, by the way, economists overwhelmingly believe that immigration, including illegal immigration,
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Because if you make the point, as you have, that actually, you know, illegal aliens,
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even though they don't have social security numbers, they do pay federal taxes because,
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you know, to get employment, sometimes they'll use other social security numbers, so they
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don't get the benefits, but they do pay into the system.
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It's a federal crime to steal a social security number.
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The IRS has a process for people to pay taxes without it.
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It's stealing the social security number, which he just admitted is a crime.
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What happens here is we money up violent crime versus paperwork.
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It's not that they don't commit crimes, it's that they don't commit violent crimes.
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Who has not had a speeding ticket ever in this room?
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I don't know if it's quite like a speeding ticket.
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Should we throw you into a prison surrounded by alligators because of your speeding ticket?
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Fun fact, more than 70% of people in ICE custody today don't even have an accusation of a crime,
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I think the accusation is they came into the country illegally.
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If you did one story about Hunter Biden, you better be a hundred times as outraged at
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Trump going, getting the UAE to invest billions, make his world, literally financial billions
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And then immediately, all of a sudden, he releases the restrictions on the AI chips that
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they really wanted, which could then get into China's hands because he was enriched.
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He ends up pardoning the guy after Binance makes a bunch of money for World Liberty Financial.
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My point is on some of these, no, a lot of these financial dealings of Trump, a lot of
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You know, the crypto thing occurred before he was brought in.
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I thought you brought up crypto earlier, which is usually the one that most people point to.
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I'm saying, how could you justify someone giving benefits to either people through pardons
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or countries through restriction relief after that country or that person enriches his family
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Yeah, listen, I think that President Trump has done a very good job being an international
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businessman, leveraging relationships for the good of the United States.
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How could you be, wait, were you ever mad about Hunter Biden and Joe Biden?
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Yeah, I was mad that the Biden family sold American influence and fired a Ukrainian official
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Biden was, you never found evidence linking him to Hunter, but even so.
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But after all of y'all made of that, a whole big scandal, and then Trump takes all over
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And his sons are going around the world making a bunch of money for his family.
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Yeah, listen, he has a very successful business and his sons are businessmen.
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Someone in the crowd, I'd love to hear you explain that.
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You're so mad and proud, you don't know what you're talking about.
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Eric and Donald Trump Jr. have very longstanding business careers long before Donald Trump
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They don't have specific deals with people who need something from the government.
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I was just at Raising Cane's with some friends, and they were like, oh, we need some people
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that probably aren't Republicans in here, so we're in here now.
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If you're a Republican, no, hey, I'm like kind of way more small government leaning, so
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like all this like, oh, like what the states want and what the mayor wants, I'm just going
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to do what I want because I'm the White House is like kind of psycho to me, right?
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Like that's not, that's probably not going to foster like a healthy society when you have
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like the federal government really overstepping.
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Coming from this side of things, I'm just kind of curious, why are you so set on making
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like left-wing violence and right-wing violence?
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Because like obviously, sometimes people are f***ing psychopaths, right?
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Like there's people that like, oh, they grew up in a MAGA household, and then they like
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got addicted to porn on like f***ing 4chan, and they be, you know, they go psycho, and
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And it's so weird to watch like experts be like, was he a Republican, or was he a Democrat?
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Like, like, I, I, so I have my master's degree in psychology, right?
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And like, I just think it's kind of f***ing stupid, just to be real.
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It's just, it's just very reductive the way that we do this.
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I think one thing that I will say is that if we looked at, at some of the trends that
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are worth looking at, it, there is a real white male violence problem.
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I know you, I know, look, I know, I know you don't like, I know you, I know you've decided
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that all comments that paint white men in a bad light is bad.
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Because I don't know if we want to break out the crime statistics.
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Just about every time there's a shooter, it's like, oh, surprise, surprise.
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It's another white guy who got radicalized online.
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You, you think white guys are, are more likely to commit violent crime than other races or.
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In mass shooting specifically, we have a radicalization problem with white men.
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Well, I guess one thought that I would have in response to your question is the reason
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why it matters if they're on the left and the right, some people are just psychotic and
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And it seems to me that if you want to fix a problem, you have to first identify what
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And so if you refuse, if you just bury your head in the sand, or if you say it's the other
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side, then you're not going to solve the problem.
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In all of the complexity of conversation, nobody has asked directly, what is capitalism?
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And can you explain the differences between Democrats and Republican thinking?
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Capitalism is an economic system in which means production are owned privately.
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Think of means production as factories, as land, as the things that we use to create,
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These things, this means production are owned by a very small fuel.
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Like, for example, most of you guys have a nine to five that you go and you get a kind
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From capitalists, those who own means production.
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The problem is we assume that people who own the means production earned that somehow.
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When really, the people who did first acclaim the majority of these resources, it happened
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a long time ago and they kept passing it down generations, generations, generations.
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The problem is people who first came here, they did a lot of bad stuff.
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They took a lot of land and their ancestors still owned that land.
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The people who slaughtered a bunch of people and then took all their land and then started
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profiting off of it and then also selling people's labor and their livelihoods for money.
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The Indians slaughtered a lot of people, too, if we're being totally honest about it.
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Well, by settling the land and building a great country that you live in and that you prosper.
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And that people were already living on by killing them, spreading diseases towards them and also women.
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With that being said, that's what capitalism is.
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Republicans and Democrats both support capitalism, right?
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But capitalism is a system that is exceedingly failing as the gap between us and the 1% and
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people who own all this capital continues to increase, increase, increase.
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What's going to happen, especially as AI comes along that continues to be able to do your
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job, is that 1% of the population is going to own all that AI that can do your jobs.
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And what happens then when they can create the labor and supply it for themselves?
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So you say that capitalism is where the means of production are owned privately.
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And you say that a very, very small number of people own the means of production.
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So my question to you is, how many Americans invest in the stock market?
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How many Americans have the means to invest in the stock market?
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How many Americans have the capital to invest in the stock market?
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What percentage of Americans invest in the stock market?
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How many Americans and how many Americans are profiting significantly from the stock?
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62% because we have the highest stock market ever under Donald Trump.
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That doesn't mean that everyone is profiting from the stock market.
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I understand what you're saying, that it's self-inflicted.
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Because I think if a man sees a problem, he shouldn't blame anybody else for it.
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He should do whatever he has to do to fix the problem.
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What do you think about the fact that an estimated 1.4 million women in America are on OnlyFans?
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And most of them aren't making any money from it.
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So if you're in college and you're trying to meet the person you're going to be with the rest of your life,
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what are you supposed to do when 25% of the chicks around there are showing their tits online for free?
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Well, since they're out there and you know they're on OnlyFans and that,
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you already can write them off as the chick you don't want.
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So I guess they're exposing themselves so that you know that's not for me.
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I'm just saying it's harder to catch a fish when you dump toxic waste in the pond is all I'm saying.
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His other problem with it, your problem with it, right when you said the question was,
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not that they're on OnlyFans, but that they're not making any money from it.
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There's an argument if she's making a million dollars a month.
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I mean, if they're doing it for no money, that's just stupid.
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But also, there can't be a seller without a buyer.
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So maybe if men stop going on OnlyFans, we wouldn't do it.
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The reason why OnlyFans is popular is because a lot of lonely young men buy OnlyFans.
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Yeah, but if there's nothing to buy, you can't buy it.
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I thought we liked free market capitalism in here.
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Are you okay with the government stepping in if there's a moral...
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Sorry, I don't really know much about your ideology.
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Is the government in your eyes the ultimate arbiter of what's moral and what's not?
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No, there's an objective moral order that we can intuit because we're creatures of reason.
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Wait, so OnlyFans is objectively bad in your eyes?
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No, just because you're wrong about something doesn't mean it's not...
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You talk to a three-year-old kid, he might think two plus two equals five.
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That doesn't mean that we just throw our hands in the air and can't come to a conclusion.
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There is a creator economy in OnlyFans with not only millions or 1.4 million girls participating,
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So all of these people in your eyes are just complete moral degenerates who are wrong.
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What's your governmental prescription to stop that from happening?
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Does the government step in and regulate OnlyFans, stop men from buying that?
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Yeah, I want a proper, limited government that pursues the common good.
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No, I'm not a libertarian, but I'm a conservative.
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But I want to ask the audience a quick question.
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Okay, for the guys in here, clap if you would want to see OnlyFans completely go away.
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I don't want to embarrass you, Adam, but notice here.
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She said, do you want to see this, like, disgusting pornography site go away?
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I think if there's supply and demand, I think there's demand for an economy.
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You've got women being exploited, selling their bodies for sex.
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No, I'm a citizen in a self-governing republic that makes laws to protect the common good.
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If you want the government to be able to step in and regulate something like OnlyFans,
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which it currently does on the books, by the way, because we have a sanity of those.
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When the government is orbiting what's moral like that,
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then what happens when the next administration comes in and they say,
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hmm, any dude with a mic who is spewing stuff like Michael Knowles is,
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I think that that is objectively immoral, and I want to regulate dudes with microphones.
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I am describing what happens when one government overreaches and tries to impose their morals,
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Wait, so if you're saying this is how government works,
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why doesn't the Trump administration regulate and ban OnlyFans like everyone in this room wants?
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Well, because the Supreme Court weakened the obscenity laws,
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which have been on the books since the founding of the country,
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and they did that in the middle of the 20th century, which is terrible.
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because the Supreme Court is not allowing the administration to do it.
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No, but George W. Bush prosecuted a pornographer for obscenity in 2008.
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One pornographer is different than banning an industry.
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When's the last time the government's banned an industry that has demand?
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I was going to say, it's still legal in certain places.
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When's the last time they have banned, federally, some sort of demand market?
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Not, well, marijuana, for that matter, at the federal level, not at the state level.
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I guess that works, but I just don't think that's comparable to OnlyFans.
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Adam, wouldn't you say that all laws, to some degree, have recourse to morality?
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and we need to be good to the trans children, or whatever.
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You're always making recourse to moral arguments.
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is that all your positions are personal decisions and morals for you
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No, well, I think, actually, that statement that you just made,
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that's your personal opinion about how government should work,
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but I don't want you to impose that personal opinion
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Well, I don't want you to decide that I can't decide
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You can have that opinion, but you can't actually enforce that.
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when you say that I can't make the government ban OnlyFans.
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is I don't want to put anything into legislation that stops people.
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is I don't want women to be trafficked for pornography.
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Do the prostitutes on the street decide for themselves?