Michael's Producer Spills Show SECRETS & His New MOVIE ｜ Ben Davies
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Ben Davies joins the Yes Yes or No team to discuss his new movie, "Courageous: Legacy." Director and actor Ben Davies ( ) joins Jemele to discuss the new film, which is out in theaters now.
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I have mentioned this to someone before when I talk about this show, that it's a lot like when a couple gets pregnant, and they say, we are having a baby.
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Welcome to a very special episode of Yes or No.
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This is a very special episode because while we have had many illustrious figures on this show before, never, to my knowledge, have we had an actor, a movie star, someone who is in the movie that is released nationally right now, Courageous, Legacy.
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This is the follow-up to a movie that was released in 2011, did extraordinarily well, and a good movie about faith, about family, about fathers, a good movie about the police,
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and a movie where one of the stars is the producer of this very show.
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Not just Yes or No, but the Michael Knowles show here at The Daily Wire.
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You are usually right there directing this show, but now you are in the hot seat.
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It feels so different being in this seat and not knowing a single question that I'm about to read.
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But thank you so much for having me, Michael, first of all.
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It's truly an honor to finally talk to you face-to-face.
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I mean, this is the first time we've ever spoken without, you know, a secretary sort of running back and forth.
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This is really great because a lot of the people who are watching don't know this, but we're such a powerful operation here at The Daily Wire.
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We're so leaning into Hollywood that even our producers are movie stars.
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Yeah, I guess you could give me that title, except I don't think anyone would know me walking through the office.
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Like, you're that guy that wrecks Michael's show every single day.
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That's usually how I'm known as I walk these halls.
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But, you know, you really have had a long career in film, and this is a big movie, and it did extremely well ten years ago.
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And now this new version, where you've all aged, obviously, ten years, this is now in theaters nationwide.
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Yeah, it was great to come back and see how old everyone got after ten years.
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But it is great to see there was such a great response from the first movie that came out in 2011 with Courageous.
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And then the impact it had across the country that Sony actually came back and like, hey, can we print some more money and release this movie again?
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And they brought us all back to shoot this alternate ending for Courageous.
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And so we've all actually legitimately aged ten years.
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This reminds me of that movie Boyhood, you know, where they shot it over a period of time.
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Like when we originally shot the movie, I'm like, oh, man, it's been rough on you.
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And we came back and like seeing people aged ten years.
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But this movie, I assume, does not have that big lib Patricia Arquette in it?
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This is the most base movie that's going to come out this year.
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Okay, well, this is obviously now it's got a leg up on Boyhood.
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All right, so I don't need to explain the rules of this game to you.
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And I would like to let everyone know that I did invent this game.
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And it hurt me personally every time that you just disregarded the point system.
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Just the flagrant disregard for the care that I put into this game.
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So every time you get a question wrong, you're going to get dinged for it.
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And at the end of this, justice will be served for all those times you completely disregarded my rules for this game.
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Now, you know, look, as you know, I don't pay a lot of attention to the rules.
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The only thing Italians are good for is pizza and gangster movies.
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There's so many great Italians doing so many great things.
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Everyone is scared of what they're going to find if they cross Michael.
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Like there was, I don't know, can we tell tales at a school about personnel stuff around?
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Because there was this guy, Elliot Ness, one time who worked for this company.
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And he made a mistake, you know, and sometimes you get written up at HR, you know, maybe you, I don't know, you get sent home or something.
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But this guy, Elliot Ness, that's not how I reacted to him.
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You know, people don't know that because it wasn't on camera.
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Most people probably know you just from the Michael Knowles show.
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But Michael Knowles is a very talented, successful gangster actor.
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Christian films are only entertaining to people with morals.
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All people have morals in the sense that all people possess moral conscience.
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All people actually do know broadly the difference between right and wrong.
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Now, some people don't act in accordance with what they think is right.
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But they all know, I mean, this is why we can, you can watch a Christian movie.
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And you actually can understand the moral universe.
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It's actually the only way we have self-government.
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It's because we know the difference between right and wrong.
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What most people don't realize is when you see a great movie and it lasts,
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it's because at its core it's a Christian movie.
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And I want you to understand that when he was interviewed with the 700 Club.
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There are Christian movies that are over the top, cheesy, and horrible.
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However, not created as not being one of those.
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But most of the movies that do last, like stand the test of time,
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and you go back and re-watch them, they're great.
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this was intentionally a Christian type project.
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Well, I mean, certainly Christianity is the greatest story ever told
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because it is real and because it is the real enactment
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I think we're quibbling over the nature of morals.
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Yeah, I'm a little suspect on the definition of morals here, but that's fine.
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The re-release of Courageous removed several scenes
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I'm not going to answer the way that I would answer it.
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I'm going to answer it the way you would answer it.
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So you're going to say no, because I don't know for sure.
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I have seen the first one, and I have not seen the new cut,
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And I don't know what scenes they may have added or removed.
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So I think this is just kind of a washroom of the drink,
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There are moments you thought were precious and important
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And I know this movie is better than the original.
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It would be very funny if we do this whole thing,
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The person sitting across from me is easy to work with.
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I never get you the answers to questions you need.
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You know the most difficult people on the planet are actors and actresses.
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I hate to brag too much since we are like co-workers,
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but even people coming to the office to like get tours
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Like I would love to have a chat and like see how they're doing
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And no, other than you showing up late every single day.
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The other producers though are much more difficult to work with.
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Oh no, I guess this is sort of related to the movie.
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Police reform is important to moving forward in our country.
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So we're talking about like currently what the police are doing versus,
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So in the way it is commonly understood, let's say that.
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I think we just answered as we would for the common.
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And then if we flipped it, we would just have to flip it, right?
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It's so frustrating to hear that we're going to fix the problem
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And if it was my jurisdiction and it was my police force,
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I would want people thrown in the can for jaywalking.
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We live in a better society, I think, because of it.
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I cannot stand like weakening our only protection against the people
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They'll say, you know, we have a big problem of over-incarceration in this country.
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Over-and I think, okay, well, crime is spiking right now, right?
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It would seem to me that we have an under-incarceration problem in this country.
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Again, in the 90s, they always cite the incarceration of people
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But you also saw a dramatic drop in crime all of a sudden.
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Magically, when there was people thrown in jail for crimes, there was less crime.
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I know, there was a New York Times headline that said something to the effect of,
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prisons keep filling despite the crime rate dropping.
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You're like, well, do you know what despite means?
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Yeah, so I think if you and I could reform the police, it'd be, we want to enforce the laws.
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And also, if you lock up Granny for not wearing a mask, then that person should be thrown in jail.
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Because right now, the cops are really good at throwing the Viking guy from the Capitol.
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They're really good at throwing him in the clink forever.
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So they do that for all the awful, terrible MAGA people who had the insurrection, you know.
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But meanwhile, the libs who burned the country down for six months, who like burned down courthouses,
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police stations, private businesses, killed dozens of people, they go scot-free.
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I would like to reform our system such that those guys don't go scot-free and maybe, you know,
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Granny from the Capitol doesn't get the book thrown at her.
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I got into political news because I couldn't quite hack it as an actor.
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Yeah, but you're in a movie that just came out.
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You're actually right because a lot of people don't know this, but I was in politics first.
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I mean, I'm saying professionally, obviously, when I was.
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Although, Frank, you know, I did my first little play when I was a kid at age eight, but I did my first campaign at age six.
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I guess I campaigned for Bob Dole in my first great classroom.
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But, no, my first professional campaign, I was 18 or 19, and I'm trying to think my first really professional acting job.
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I was probably more like 22 or 23, so a long love.
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I think the two are actually extremely related, and frankly, my politics did have some effect on my meanderings in Hollywood, as has happened to people before.
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The way that you'll hear that politicians and actors are the same is that they're extremely egotistical liars, both of them.
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But I actually think the thing that unites politics and show business and actually why there's a huge overlap between the two, Reagan, Stuart Smalley from Saturday Night Live, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jesse Ventura, Sonny Boner, the list goes on and on and on.
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Donald Trump, for that matter, is you have to be concerned with the truth as an actor, the truth of your given circumstances, and as a politician, you know, sort of deeper philosophical or theological or political truths.
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I mean, you can speak more to this, but if you're an actor, you've got to, your job is to create characters that are empathetic.
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And if you're a politician, you just spend your whole life at the VFW Hall eating spaghetti dinners with people.
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So if you don't like people, there's a much easier way to make a buck than to do that.
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I did start into acting much earlier than you did.
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I was two years old when I did my first campaign and then did commercials.
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Your first acting campaign, you mean like an actor?
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Well, that was a print ad, but then the acting stuff really kicked off high school, college, and then I have been a leader supporting in 25 different films even before I started working at The Daily Wire.
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However, I did also, because of just the drying up of the market in L.A., I did actually seek out other opportunities to do political commentary.
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I actually started with Rebel Media because I had so much downtime because they were literally not casting any straight white men in Hollywood.
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There was a bunch of articles written on this too at the time, so the casting pool just dried up to nothing.
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And then a year of that, I'm like, well, I've got family and to provide force, so I'm going to get into politics.
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But I'm still doing acting, so I guess, but maybe I did because I couldn't hack in Hollywood.
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I guess you could both be a successful actor and have gotten into political media for that reason.
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Would that be a judgment call on your part then?
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I'm going to keep my point, but I am going to take a sip.
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Protestants hate Catholics because they are simply jealous that they are not the OG Christian religion.
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Because they're upset that they're not the OG Christian religion.
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So this is, you could dispute the idea that Protestants hate Catholics, but let's say given that premise, Protestants hate Catholics, like in that world, if Protestants hate Catholics, it is because they're not the OG Christian religion.
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You would say that Protestants don't hate Catholics because they're the OG?
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I'm saying if Protestants do hate Catholics, it is not because they, the Protestants, are not the OG Christian religion.
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I think the reason that Protestants, if Protestants hate Catholics or if they, you know, have big problems with Catholicism, I think it's because of their own misunderstanding of Catholicism.
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One of those guys who, was it John Henry Newman or Ronald Knox or I don't know.
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Yeah, it was one of these guys who said, maybe it was Fulton Sheen, anyway, that.
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There are not a hundred people in this country who disagree with the Christian faith.
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There are a million people or many more millions of people who disagree with their misperception of the Catholic faith.
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But there are not a hundred people who actually do.
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A lot of my Protestant friends will say, why do they, I mean, we've had these discussions before.
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Well, why do, you know, and I just think, if those things were true, I would understand why Protestants would have a big problem with Catholicism.
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Well, we're not going to settle our differences over a drinking game, unfortunately.
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I don't think that Protestants hate Catholic because they think they're the OG religion.
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I think that Protestants hate Catholics because they hate the truth.
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I would rather be stuck in an elevator with Ben Shapiro than Matt Walsh.
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Uh, Ben is just too, he's, he's so much more intelligent than me that I feel like I couldn't
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The only thing I would do is take a selfie and ruin half my friendships.
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Because they know that I'm friends with this Nazi Jew that is just trying to destroy the
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No, it is, it is tough to keep up with Ben too.
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Because, you know, the thing that Ben does is he's doing like four things at once.
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But he is writing a column, you know, in his, as you're, so it, you're, you're getting
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But the, the, another person I've heard does that is Jay Leno.
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Whereas Walsh, you know, the only thing he would do to distract you.
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Would he be like chopped down a tree or something or, you know.
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Like the first time I actually hung out with Matt Walsh, we were at John Rich's party and
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And then had whiskey and talked for like two hours.
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You got, I've gotten like 10 words out of Walsh.
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Film sets are a great place to spend hours of your life.
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You know, the last gig I did before I hung up my spurs, I got to have a lead role in a movie.
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I mean, you sit there for hours and hours and hours.
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You're just kind of making small talk and chit chat.
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And the other thing that's technically very hard about this is with a play.
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So you work on your sort of character arc in a very direct way.
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You might film the last scene first and then the middle scene next.
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Like, I've legitimately done 25 films, never done a play.
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And there's something so pure about being in the moment.
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I think it was, describing the film set to some people,
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I was talking about my history in track and field,
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I was the actual national record holder in the decathlon.
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And I was the best American ever at the time going into it.
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Talking about, you know, the swimming or whatever.
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But, no, it's just, I'd describe it as just each event,
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And it's the most important event of your entire life.
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And so every time I'm in an acting scene with somebody,
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I love digging into the dramatic, broken moments of these movies
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And you're with people that are, like, in the trenches with you.
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then they're trying to capitalize on what you're doing and you collaborate.
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It's this beautiful piece of art every single time that I love.
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As much as I like to think that us doing the show every day is that much fun,
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No, it's a very intense experience being on a movie set.
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You, you know, you think you're all going to be friends forever
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and then you never talk after the movie in some cases.
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Whereas with a play, it's much more like a real job.
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You show up every night or whatever, you know, four nights a week.
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I don't know if any of these questions are going to queue this up.
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I know there's a debate about should you be intimate on camera
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And now you are married and an actor or you have acted.
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Do you agree that that is something that you would, should encourage as far as like,
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However, you're still doing some type of act, which would be also in reality.
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Yeah, I'm really torn because my acting training, such as it is,
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was very much from this, the school of the subconscious.
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You know, the people like Winn Handman, Stella Adler, Sanford Meisner was Handman's teacher.
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And the group theater comes from, you know, was influenced by Russia, by Stanislavski.
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And Stanislavski was influenced, it's all Freud basically.
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It's all this idea that in pre sort of, you know, technical or method acting,
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as it's sometimes called, these terms are a little imprecise.
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There's no more annoying than a method actor, by the way.
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But, you know, there are so many different versions of it.
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The thing that unites all of these ideas is this idea that instead of, you know,
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I'm in the scene and I'm going to be angry at this person,
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and so I'm going to do the things that would make me appear as though I'm angry at this person.
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The subconscious organic acting is this idea that I'm going to push the buttons in my subconscious,
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such that like a sponge filling with water, it just sort of pours out in this very organic way.
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But the thing that's dangerous about it, and I've come to appreciate this more and more since I've stopped and given it up,
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especially since I've gotten married, is the whole point of it is you really are in love with the person.
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You really are in this very, you know, yelling at them or having sex with them or something.
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But you're, I'm not saying you're doing a porno.
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I just mean like even what simulator you're kissing somebody.
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The whole idea of the organic acting is it's real.
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It really is real to you, and so then it will be real to the audience.
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I mean, putting the porn aside, obviously that's a different...
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I haven't done that since I left Chatsworth, you know.
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It's hard to describe to people that have not been in film.
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Like people think of The Notebook every single time.
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Like how could you kiss this person if you so, you know, betray the person that you're married to?
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And like that trust and that level of commitment and that emotion.
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But when you're in those scenes, you haven't thought about the eight-hour day,
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the ten people around you screaming, going back to one, cutting, microphone.
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It is so removed from what you see in that perfectly formed frame that, I mean,
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if I came up and touched your face, it would be different than if I touched your face intimately, Michael.
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I have a lot of Christian friends that do not kiss on camera.
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People will see in a movie coming up that I do.
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But yeah, Kirk Cameron is a good friend of ours.
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Because he's a good person and you're just a degenerate cat.
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And it's a conversation you do also have with your spouse because you're together in this.
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I just can't believe every time we've kissed on camera, it's not real for you.
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I would be okay with allowing girls to compete in men's sports just to show the absurdity of the notion.
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That is, for example, letting Sarah Fuller get totally rocked if she had ever dropped the ball.
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So we should let women compete in men's sports so we can see how crazy it is.
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It's like, how would you dare put this woman in this situation?
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You wouldn't put the women in that situation just to show they're wrong?
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This is this whole thing of, like, let's elect Bernie just to show everyone how bad it is.
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Like, no, it's my country, dammit, and it's just wrong.
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We did a very similar question to this, I believe, with you and Will Witt.
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I think we should because, for example, like, do you agree with, like, that you should be able to discipline your child, like, spanking, fiddly speaking?
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I think there is no better cure for insanity than reality.
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And for you to get what's coming, you don't touch a flame because you've been burned before.
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And as soon as you, if you remove, if you keep people in a bubble, you keep your child in a bubble, they will never learn reality.
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Same thing if, like, they may get a physical reaction to burning, but if you let your son talk to your wife that way.
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And I think it's so great for these states to go down this road and let people get absolutely rocked so reality will reassert itself.
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A lot of these women don't want to compete against men.
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I mean, some do, and some are willing to do it, and then they get their heads cracked open because of it.
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But I just think it's, I think it is just simply wrong to fight a woman, for instance, and, like, punch a woman.
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And so I just don't, even if it will, I grant your point, it'll teach the lesson.
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I grant your point, too, but there is something about having reality.
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There is something that is just undeniable that people can experience, and that is one of those things.
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She was the kicker at Vanderbilt down the road.
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Vanderbilt, it's going to take a long time to recover from that publicity stunt they did.
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But I think reality is the only way to break through to these people.
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But what if, what if instead of merely having to persuade them and get their assent for our,
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what if we just impose our will, which happens to be correct in this case?
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You're saying maybe we don't have the political ability to do it.
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I don't think, and I don't think it would change their mind.
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And they would just say that you're wrong and you're a bigot, which maybe you are a bigot.
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I had a great high school experience and am in no way compensating by chasing fame.
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So, this is why this question is being brought up.
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I, you know, I was like class president and all stuff.
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Perfect SAT twice, you know, good looking guy, college.
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But hold on, you're, you're, you're a good looking guy.
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But you're a good looking guy, you know, obviously talented athlete, talented actor.
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I figured you'd be like, you know, swoon all the honeys up on lover's point.
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What do you mean you had a bad time in high school?
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I went to a really wealthy, great Christian private school and everyone was good looking athletic
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Michael and I was homeschooled until I was in eighth grade, went to high school, didn't
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know any, had no social skills as far as how to interact with people that weren't just
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Have you ever been to a Sadie Hawkins dance before?
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So, where the, where the, the women asked them that.
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And then in high school, you get asked a jersey to wear at the different football games.
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I, I had a total of three girls ever asked me to wear the jersey in the entire four
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And I still remember their names because I appreciated it so much because no one, at
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my own high school, it was a very, very difficult experience and it was a high school down the
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You missed out on this hunk, ladies, this hunk movie star.
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I title the Michael Knowles videos for YouTube to be as clickbait as possible.
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So now I'm answering, because I don't title them.
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The person who titles them does it to be as clicky as possible.
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That is the first thing I think about every time I see those videos.
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Well, it's funny because often, you know, I, I, I don't mean this.
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Uh, I don't, I don't, I don't mean to disparage my own delivery, but I find my delivery on
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these videos is sometimes it's a little more circumspect.
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It's a little, well, you know, there's this side and this side, whatever.
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You can just say more intelligent than the title.
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No, no, I'm not saying, I'm saying it's a little, it's a little drier though.
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So, and then I look at the title and it's like, trans lesbian from Pakistan.
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At this point, the trans agenda only exists to enrich big pharma by taking advantage of
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the mentally ill by locking them into lifetime prescriptions and unnecessary surgeries,
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despite the fact that they will only be at best a crude mockery of God's perfection.
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Due to YouTube and Facebook rules, make your guess and do not verbally confirm if the other
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person guessed correctly, give only a nonverbal confirmation.
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I'm going to sum it up in a slightly less outrageous way.
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Powerful interests are exploiting sexually confused people to enrich themselves and to advance
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their own view, uh, goals, but not to help these confused people.
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I still think you can't, we can't affirm or deny.
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I am more based than the person sitting across from me.
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So I'm answering how you would answer about me.
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My, my answer for why this cannot be is because I'm Catholic.
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It gets back to the earlier, because I'm Catholic, because I don't believe in like, you know,
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like my liberalism or whatever, you know, which I, I do think the sort of non-Eastern
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Orthodox or non-Catholic Christians inevitably sort of partake of that modern thing.
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And it's like, because sometimes I won't even admit they're turning the frickin' frogs
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No, but yeah, I, I think I, I actually have done this basically before.
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I can barely get from the makeup room into the studio.
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If you're a man who is unmarried by the, by the time you're 30, it's because you're
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Because I think you believe that certain people will be on different paths, and it's
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not necessarily selfish that they're following God's plan.
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They're degenerates if they're not married by 30.
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Every person I know that is not married by 30 and you know who you are, it's because
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Disregording priestly celibacy to own the trads.
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Morally based movies are gaining in popularity because people are craving traditional value
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since the woke mob has diluted the entertainment industry.
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I'm going to give, like, a very esoteric answer.
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I'm kind of like, well, probably the exact same thing.
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We're all partaking of the moral universe, and to your point, like, Braveheart is one of
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They're still not flocking to these movies, and there's such a, like, vice grip on the
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There's still going to be these woke things that people are flocking towards, because that's
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I had a movie that came out in 2016 that I loved.
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Not even people in the church knew about it, because the P&A was so low.
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Having a day job means you haven't really made it as an actor.
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I know very successful actors who have been in very, very big movies, whose faces you would
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know, who still do catering gigs every now and again, or Tudor, or whatever, because, you
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Like, you can do a big movie, but you might only work once or twice a year.
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It's like 15 bucks an hour is going to support your family.
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Didn't he go back and work at Fast Food after he made some big movie?
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Because he hadn't quite hit his stride again yet.
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People often do different endeavors, like Ashton Kutcher will, you know, work with Uber
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By definition of you making it, it's like these are just kind of toys that you're playing
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I feel like if you're a working actor, a real successful actor, then you don't have
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There's making it and then there's like Brad Pitt.
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I do more work for this show than the person sitting across from me.
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I would say you do more things for this show than I do.
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For both this show, obviously, and for my show.
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I'm trying my darndest to own every single lib that goes before me.
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Every slight interaction, every invitation, all of it is oriented toward one thing.
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So I would say it's very difficult to quantify that.
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Well, I would say I do spend a lot of time stressing about this show.
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And thinking of how am I going to title this to be clicky enough for people to pay attention
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What should I put in the thumbnail every single day?
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Who is messing up on our set that I have to fire or tell to do something better?
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There's a lot of things I'm worried about every day.
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However, I have mentioned this to someone before when I talked about this show.
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That it's a lot like when a couple gets pregnant.
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And I'm the husband being like, hey, I'm a part of this too, baby.
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People don't know this about the show because it seems so...
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A lot of times we try to make it casual on purpose, but it's relatable.
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And I almost feel bad to come in there and talk to you about why Catholics are wrong.
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This has been near in the end and I didn't even get close to the end of mine.
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Being tall and attractive has helped my career.
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See, what you don't understand, Mr. Davies, you...
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So what you don't understand, because you say, Michael, you're not 6'3".
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So your conclusion of that is that I am not tall.
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But you see, these things are a little bit relative.
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Because compared to the Italian peoples, compared to the people in New York, I am Shaquille O'Neal.
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And I took a photo with these two guys, you know, who were just kind of average Italian guys.
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But yet, if I were to go to whatever Scandinavian, you know, Viking yard that your people come from,
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So I think, relatively, I'm going to have to move this to a yes.
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I think you lean into the intelligence, Michael.
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The Scandinavian people, I think, on average, are 6'1".
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The height is very different than the Italians, apparently, which are allegedly pygmy people, according to you.
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I did an ancestry sort of thing, you know, my DNA.
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One of your ancestors went marauding some coast of Britain or perhaps even Italy
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and maybe had a little fun with some of the locals there.