The Michael Knowles Show - Michael & The Pedophile Hunter

00:00:00.000 We had a pedo in Wyoming who came to drink baby's blood.

00:00:04.900 I mean, it's so common for people to be into infants and toddlers.

00:00:08.600 Three of them have said they have received child porn as young as five years old.

00:00:12.480 On the scale of these guys don't consider anything in the metaphysical realm

00:00:19.460 to these are interdimensional demons worshiping Satan,

00:00:24.560 where do your marks fall?

00:00:27.280 Well, um...

00:00:30.400 Have a seat over there.

00:00:39.840 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:00:41.120 I'm joined today by the head of Predator Poachers,

00:00:44.760 and that would be Alex Rosen.

00:00:46.600 Alex, thank you for coming on the show.

00:00:48.400 Nice to meet you.

00:00:49.280 You are the new Chris Hansen.

00:00:51.300 Yes, some may call me that.

00:00:52.680 Some may call me that, yes.

00:00:53.740 So, I remember 15 years ago, or whenever that show, 20 years ago,

00:00:57.740 whenever that show was on, Chris Hansen would come in,

00:01:00.140 he'd get some pedophiles to show up to some house that he thought was a 10-year-old girl's house,

00:01:05.640 and they'd have all sorts of disgusting, terrible things.

00:01:09.080 And then he would walk out and say,

00:01:10.160 why don't you have a seat right over there?

00:01:11.400 And they'd say, duh, I don't know.

00:01:12.580 I didn't do nothing.

00:01:13.400 I wasn't going to do anything with these handcuffs and guns and stuff.

00:01:16.160 And then they would get arrested.

00:01:19.000 Your approach is much less on the nose than me.

00:01:23.740 And so, as a result, just from the videos that I've seen from your channel,

00:01:28.680 you get a little bit deeper into the conversation with these Predators.

00:01:35.860 Yeah, absolutely.

00:01:37.240 So, it's a little bit different than Chris Hansen in the way that we go to Predators' houses a lot.

00:01:42.620 Like, just yesterday in Georgia, we confronted a person who was out on bond for child porn charges,

00:01:48.540 and we caught him with child porn again as he's facing trial already.

00:01:51.820 And we just showed up at his house with no messages, no nothing.

00:01:54.340 We just had a phone number that was associated with an app that we know to be child porn related.

00:01:58.860 And we talked to him for like two hours,

00:02:01.160 and he admitted after he got out of jail to looking at stuff as young as infants and all of that type again.

00:02:07.320 And he hinted at also trading it again.

00:02:09.640 And so, I think he could get a very long time in prison considering that there's going to be two sets of charges on him in less than a year.

00:02:15.280 But, yeah, that's what we do.

00:02:16.880 I'd say we kind of defer more in a way because we also travel the country anywhere doing this.

00:02:21.760 At this point, we have an arrest in 44 different states, convictions in 30.

00:02:25.900 And there's no corner of the country we won't go to go get somebody arrested if that's preying on children.

00:02:30.580 So, what got you into this?

00:02:32.900 Well, I'm 23 years old now.

00:02:34.540 I know I look older, but, you know, seeing a—

00:02:37.740 You look more mature.

00:02:38.520 Right.

00:02:38.840 I look more mature.

00:02:39.580 Thank you.

00:02:40.060 Thank you.

00:02:41.140 But, you know, seeing a predator's genitalia might age you a little bit and having a bald dad, too.

00:02:46.680 But 19 years old, I've always wanted to be a police officer.

00:02:50.580 I couldn't do that in Houston, Texas, where I'm from.

00:02:52.640 At 19, you've got to be 21 to graduate the academy.

00:02:54.740 At least that's what it was a couple years ago.

00:02:55.960 I don't know now.

00:02:57.220 And after my first year of college, I was playing college football.

00:03:02.820 And, well, by playing, I mean sitting on the bench.

00:03:05.440 But I was on the team, so I like to tell people that.

00:03:07.340 I'll tell my kids that.

00:03:07.980 I was just playing and stuff.

00:03:09.780 That's how I played Little League, actually.

00:03:11.480 Absolutely.

00:03:12.120 Absolutely.

00:03:12.860 And, you know, I had, like, a schedule, 5 a.m. to 10 p.m. every night, like, very disciplined.

00:03:18.180 And when we had summer break, like, three weeks off from doing anything, I just let it all go.

00:03:22.660 And I started getting into these predator-catching videos online, like Anxiety War, Justin Payne, and Chris Hansen.

00:03:29.040 And I was like, well, is it really this many pedophiles around?

00:03:32.020 Because I didn't know any pedos growing up, which is great.

00:03:33.840 But, like, you know, I was like, is it really, like, this bad?

00:03:37.460 Because I'm seeing, like, all these video, video after video.

00:03:39.600 Like, these people have hundreds of videos to their names, right?

00:03:42.200 I'm like, this is crazy.

00:03:43.320 So I got curious because I've always wanted to catch the bad guys.

00:03:46.040 I'm like, let's see.

00:03:46.860 I'm going to give this a try.

00:03:47.820 And, you know, I made a fake profile of a 15-year-old boy on Grindr.

00:03:53.020 And within 30 minutes, somebody wanted to meet up for sex.

00:03:55.340 And it didn't really take long for me to realize that this is the biggest problem that no one really talks about.

00:04:00.620 Was the profile just a picture of a young-looking boy?

00:04:05.800 Or did it say, I'm 15 years old?

00:04:08.160 Well, I mean, it was just a picture of my little brother, like, his face.

00:04:11.380 And the profile didn't say, I'm 15 years old.

00:04:14.560 But, like, I immediately told them I was 15.

00:04:17.100 Like, I figured that's how you do it.

00:04:18.600 And that didn't stop really anybody.

00:04:21.320 Wow.

00:04:22.400 So you, did you pursue that sting?

00:04:25.420 Or did you say, okay, this is weird.

00:04:26.720 This is crazy.

00:04:27.320 They want to meet up with a 15-year-old boy.

00:04:29.400 What am I going to do next?

00:04:30.800 Yeah, well, I mean, I was very nervous about any confrontation, like, at that time.

00:04:35.760 Like, I was never really nervous, like, in general, to talk to people.

00:04:38.260 But just confronting a complete stranger who's a pedophile, I was like, oh, my God, how's this going to go?

00:04:42.720 So he met up in a Whataburger parking lot.

00:04:44.480 And I brought my friend Jordan to come.

00:04:46.600 And the first bust was just us getting his license plate and just saying, yeah, we got you.

00:04:51.060 Then just running back into my car.

00:04:52.360 And obviously, it's changed a little bit since then.

00:04:54.600 But this was the first one.

00:04:55.720 This was the very first one.

00:04:56.780 Wow.

00:04:57.140 So you've just been totally committed from the beginning.

00:05:00.120 Are you afraid of breaking any laws?

00:05:03.760 I don't know what the laws are in private sting operations.

00:05:07.100 But especially if you have a liberal DA or something, I could see, you know, we got a political order now that always takes the side of the criminal over the good guys.

00:05:16.060 So could you get in trouble?

00:05:18.500 There's always that possibility.

00:05:20.100 But, you know, at this point, I just tell myself, like, we've gotten how many arrests at this point that we're just going to go gung-ho with it and whatever happens, happens.

00:05:27.380 But we do take a lot of precautions to not get in trouble.

00:05:29.980 Like, for example, we never let them know they're being held there.

00:05:32.580 Like, oh, they're not being held there.

00:05:33.520 But we never tell them, like, you cannot leave.

00:05:35.820 We never tell them, like, if you do this, we're going to call the cops.

00:05:38.360 Or if you do this, I'm going to tell your family.

00:05:39.860 No type of blackmail or anything.

00:05:41.720 Like, we just make the conversation as consensual as possible.

00:05:44.700 And, yeah, there's not really much people can say about how we do the interviews.

00:05:48.520 And then as for, you know, as for chatting with the predators, like, we never make them into the predator.

00:05:55.540 Like, I tell my decoys.

00:05:56.680 I mean, at this point, they're experts on this stuff, I think.

00:05:59.000 I'm chatting with them.

00:05:59.960 But I told them, like, hey, there's no reason for you to want sex.

00:06:03.880 With the predator.

00:06:04.660 Like, there's no reason for you to say as a 11-year-old girl, yeah, come over, blah, blah, blah.

00:06:08.020 Because, you know, all these people that we get online, it doesn't really take much to make them a pedophile.

00:06:12.300 They will just be a pedophile because they are a pedophile.

00:06:14.320 So the idea with the decoys is you just play it straight and let them, let the pedos keep moving the ball down the field.

00:06:25.720 Yes, absolutely.

00:06:26.980 Yeah, that's what we do.

00:06:28.060 We pose as minors online.

00:06:29.680 Once we think we have enough evidence on a person that we think they've committed child sex crimes, we go confront them on camera.

00:06:36.020 We hope to get some admissions out of them.

00:06:37.200 Usually that seems to work.

00:06:38.160 And we hand that over to law enforcement.

00:06:39.920 So how many stings have you done?

00:06:42.180 Oh, my gosh.

00:06:43.940 I think close to 600 over the years.

00:06:46.660 Whoa.

00:06:47.240 Are you involved personally in all of them?

00:06:49.420 Yes.

00:06:49.540 Or is it, wow.

00:06:51.320 How long have you been doing this?

00:06:52.720 Four years.

00:06:54.940 Do you ever go to the movies or something?

00:06:56.820 Do you ever have a day off?

00:06:58.020 Well, I don't take off days.

00:06:59.760 I'll love to work.

00:07:00.700 So luckily, I think catching predators is the funnest thing somebody can do.

00:07:03.500 So it really works out well for me that, like, it's my job, but it doesn't really feel like a job.

00:07:07.960 Like, it's a really fulfilling thing to do.

00:07:09.760 And knowing the difference we've made in people's lives, both families of the predators, kids of the predators, their victims, and all of that stuff, it's really fulfilling.

00:07:18.460 And, you know.

00:07:18.920 In a way, even for the predators, right?

00:07:20.860 Because these are obviously very, very sick people.

00:07:23.760 Yeah.

00:07:23.920 And it would be bad for them.

00:07:27.160 It's bad for everybody.

00:07:28.000 But it's bad for them as well if they commit these crimes.

00:07:30.740 It's bad for their souls.

00:07:31.800 And it's bad eventually when they get caught.

00:07:34.300 And maybe they would have done something much worse than whatever it is that you caught them about to try to do.

00:07:39.820 Oh, absolutely.

00:07:41.760 One of the things we like to say in the interviews is, like, basically given the route of confessing, like, oh, I would have had sex with the girl if she was okay with it.

00:07:49.920 You know, we're talking about an 11-year-old girl here.

00:07:51.460 But if they have the thing of consent in their head, they'll be like, oh, yeah, yeah, I'll admit to that.

00:07:55.020 Because, you know, I was going to do it if she was okay with it.

00:07:57.360 But, you know, we've had stings where we pose as pedos ourselves.

00:08:01.380 Like, a guy that I'm about to bring up, David Dunn in Midlothian, Virginia, we were posing as a fake pedophile online.

00:08:09.600 And he either messaged me or I messaged him.

00:08:11.780 When we know they're pedos, we can kind of just throw – like, if we're posing as, like, another pedo, it doesn't really matter who messages first because we usually get them on child porn and stuff like that.

00:08:18.440 But he messaged me saying, like, hey, you know, do you want to trade?

00:08:23.080 And obviously, we can't trade child porn or receive any of that because, you know, we're private citizens.

00:08:26.720 We're not, like, some special people or anything.

00:08:28.980 But, you know, he was under the impression that I had a 9-year-old daughter.

00:08:33.260 That's where my looks are actually a good thing for one.

00:08:35.360 Not around women, but, like, yeah, actually a good thing for once.

00:08:37.360 Like, for pedos because they think that I'm –

00:08:39.380 They're a little older.

00:08:39.880 Yeah, they think that I'm mature enough to have a 9-year-old daughter.

00:08:43.420 And so I actually video called this guy as myself.

00:08:46.580 And he was telling me, like, oh, I'm watching child porn at work.

00:08:49.940 And you can watch this video on Rumble.

00:08:51.220 Just type in Predator Poachers on Rumble.

00:08:52.380 It's there.

00:08:52.660 That video's there.

00:08:53.640 He's like, oh, yeah, I'm watching child porn at work.

00:08:55.720 Oh, yeah.

00:08:56.120 And he's like, oh, so you got a daughter?

00:08:57.360 Oh, I can't wait to be with her.

00:08:58.560 Stuff like that.

00:08:59.780 And it just goes to show you they're not so sorry about anything.

00:09:03.060 They're so – it was really a new perspective for me even because they're so masked off behind the scenes.

00:09:07.560 Like, these people are sick and they take pleasure in what they do.

00:09:10.660 They don't regret it.

00:09:11.700 So how many of these people are just porn-addled, you know, just their brains have been melted?

00:09:21.340 Like, they're watching this at – they're watching extremely illegal material at work.

00:09:25.500 Like, they want to get caught.

00:09:26.460 How many of them are just that?

00:09:27.720 They're so far down some fantasy in the virtual realm versus people who have a daughter

00:09:35.520 and are filming things and producing and distributing this kind of pornography?

00:09:40.960 Well, with David Dunn, it was kind of both.

00:09:44.000 He – since he doesn't talk to his daughters anymore, which in a reason we'll get to here in a couple minutes,

00:09:49.160 his only outlet is child porn.

00:09:53.060 So we end up confronting him a few weeks later.

00:09:56.180 He ended up blocking us because we didn't jump on an app to trade child porn with him

00:09:59.560 because, you know, we tried to get around it like, oh, I'm still – I'm real – I'll trade with you after we meet.

00:10:04.140 I'm trying to download the pictures.

00:10:06.280 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:07.140 Like, he just wouldn't buy our excuse.

00:10:09.440 He knew it.

00:10:09.940 He could smell a sting a mile away.

00:10:11.740 Yes, absolutely.

00:10:13.100 So we confront him anyway at his home.

00:10:14.960 And I tell him, like, hey, man, I was the guy you were talking to.

00:10:17.340 And he's like, oh, crap.

00:10:18.820 And he ends up confessing to thousands of images of child porn on his laptop, his phone.

00:10:23.460 And the cops tease his devices that day.

00:10:25.160 The next day he got arrested.

00:10:26.560 And, you know, in that interview, he admits to molesting 10 different kids when he was, like –

00:10:34.800 probably around my age, like around – like he was, like, 18 – I'm not 18, 19.

00:10:37.900 But when he was around, like, 18, 19, 20 in a trailer park, he said he had sex with, like, 10, 11-year-old kids,

00:10:44.120 like, all around the trailer park.

00:10:45.260 And then he wouldn't fully admit to molesting his daughters.

00:10:49.300 But he's like – he gave the answer, I can't control what I do in my sleep.

00:10:53.020 And then, you know, after he gets arrested, a few weeks later, his daughter gets in touch with me.

00:10:58.060 And, you know, she obviously told the real story about what happened with him.

00:11:02.260 And it wasn't pretty, so.

00:11:05.940 Whoa.

00:11:06.880 Because I guess in my mind with the Chris Hansen guys, like in the old – that old show,

00:11:11.820 I assumed it was just a bunch of losers, like the biggest losers you've ever seen in your life who –

00:11:18.720 I almost felt bad for them in a way.

00:11:21.200 I mean, you don't feel bad because they're going to commit a crime.

00:11:23.700 So, you know, they show up there and you think, all right, well, you get what you get, man.

00:11:26.280 But I guess in that show, you never really hear of them actually doing anything other than, you know,

00:11:37.640 sending all these awful messages to kids online.

00:11:40.560 But what you're uncovering is people, like, not just doing online things, which is bad enough.

00:11:48.840 Of course.

00:11:49.160 Sexual crime and actually leads to victims in the real world.

00:11:51.700 Yeah.

00:11:52.120 But, like, tangible evil acts of sexual exploitation.

00:11:58.920 Yeah.

00:11:59.420 We like to leave no doubt in the videos.

00:12:01.620 Like, my coach in high school always used to say, like, when you finish something, leave no doubt.

00:12:05.180 And, you know, with a video like David Dunn, no, it wasn't some lonely guy who hit up a 15-year-old.

00:12:11.360 This was a guy going after a 9-year-old girl who admits to all these victims.

00:12:14.760 Like, we like to show these people are not just losers.

00:12:17.360 Yeah, of course they're losers.

00:12:18.260 But they're not just that.

00:12:19.840 We like to show that these people are serial child molesters or serial porn addicts.

00:12:24.540 Well, not just porn addicts, but child porn addicts or serial pedophiles.

00:12:28.120 And, you know, I think our videos, or at least the intent of them, is to leave no doubt that these people getting exposed and arrested

00:12:33.740 deserve the rest of their life, if not, you know, death in prison.

00:12:37.360 So what is the full profile?

00:12:39.760 Is there variety among these guys?

00:12:41.820 Are there different types?

00:12:42.900 Is there just one type?

00:12:44.080 Like, is it, you say they're all addicted to porn, obviously.

00:12:47.660 Is it the porn that's the driver?

00:12:50.200 Are they born this way?

00:12:51.860 Is it some combination?

00:12:54.040 Well, I don't know how much we agree on what I'm about to say or not.

00:12:59.320 But I think it's similar to, like, being gay, to where I do think some people are born gay.

00:13:03.800 But I also think people are molested as kids.

00:13:06.340 And then that gets nurtured.

00:13:07.700 But I think that genetic thing has to be there.

00:13:10.140 So I think it's the same with pedophilia.

00:13:12.380 Everybody that's a pedophile has to kind of be born that way.

00:13:14.920 Because we have people, survivors, that watch our channel.

00:13:18.140 And the last thing they would do is touch a kid, men and women alike.

00:13:20.200 They're like, this is a disguise.

00:13:21.160 I hate these people.

00:13:22.120 Like, they would never touch a kid.

00:13:23.640 Yeah.

00:13:23.780 But, you know, a lot of these people that we catch have been abused.

00:13:27.000 So I think they have to have that gene in them.

00:13:29.500 But maybe abuse, when they're kids, nurtures that gene.

00:13:31.900 And there's a lot of people that we get that just have never been touched as kids.

00:13:34.660 And they're like, no, nothing happened to me.

00:13:35.840 I had a good family.

00:13:36.540 And I'm just like this.

00:13:37.680 Like, for example, the guy in Georgia we caught yesterday.

00:13:40.460 Is it the case that many or most of them were abused as kids themselves?

00:13:46.120 Like 50-50.

00:13:47.960 50-50 is pretty big, though.

00:13:49.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:49.760 I don't think 50% of the general population was sexually abused, thank God.

00:13:53.760 Right.

00:13:54.100 So that's interesting.

00:13:55.820 I actually hadn't considered that.

00:13:56.960 So disproportionately, this is a self-compounding problem.

00:14:05.100 But I still think it's genetic, though.

00:14:07.100 Because say if they're abused by a family member, well, I think it just runs in that family that people are like that.

00:14:12.860 I mean, we've caught people who, and their relatives reach out to us, and they're like, that whole side of the family does that to their kids.

00:14:18.000 And it really is a very deep cycle.

00:14:22.900 Wow.

00:14:23.420 Yeah.

00:14:23.780 I think it's mostly genetic.

00:14:24.880 And I think people are just born effed up.

00:14:26.540 Now, they famously have never found the gay gene.

00:14:29.500 Right.

00:14:29.940 So my own musings on the subject are, I guess this is like a non-answer, but it kind of makes you sound smart and open-minded.

00:14:38.260 And I just assume there's some combination for all of these sexual proclivities, and all proclivities, for that matter.

00:14:44.680 I assume there's maybe some predisposition from early childhood or from birth.

00:14:49.700 Yeah.

00:14:49.920 And then some social factors can happen.

00:14:52.160 Yes.

00:14:52.360 You know, like a guy, a straight guy goes to prison, and then, you know, all of a sudden he's a gay guy.

00:14:57.160 I don't know.

00:14:57.640 That's kind of, wouldn't seem genetic to me.

00:14:59.700 True.

00:15:00.160 But, and it wouldn't be that he was abused as a kid.

00:15:02.300 It was, maybe it's just some other.

00:15:03.760 So, I guess I'm just trying to hone in on the profile of these guys.

00:15:09.460 If they're just born that way, is it hopeless for them?

00:15:13.720 And, and likewise, if they're born normal, and they have a normal upbringing, and it's all fine, could, could even a normal person fall into this stuff too?

00:15:24.680 Well, I think you need to be, a normal person falling into it, they have to be genetically predisposed to fall into it.

00:15:31.220 So, the guy we caught in Georgia yesterday, he's like, well, I'm into child porn because I was, I was watching porn since I was 12 years old.

00:15:37.100 And, I'm thinking to myself, well, I first watched porn when I was 14 years old, and, you know, luckily I haven't watched it in, like, years.

00:15:43.480 But, the median age is 11 or something.

00:15:45.700 Right.

00:15:45.800 That's what a famous study says there.

00:15:46.940 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:47.500 And, like, you know, in sixth grade, you know, some kid had his phone now, and he's like, oh, Alex, look at this.

00:15:51.280 And it was like porn.

00:15:52.080 But, I don't like 11-year-olds.

00:15:53.480 I don't like 14-year-olds.

00:15:54.540 I like adults.

00:15:55.520 So, that was a BS excuse.

00:15:56.940 I just think he's born a pedophile, and he tells that to, he tells the porn excuse to himself to obviously sugarcoat what it really is.

00:16:04.380 But, yeah.

00:16:05.080 I just, that could be the case.

00:16:06.700 Oh, what do I know?

00:16:07.900 But, I fear, on the other side, sugarcoating the porn.

00:16:11.820 And, here's why.

00:16:13.620 Without violating any disparagement or defamation laws or whatever, there was an investigation by Sound Investigations.

00:16:23.860 Arden Young was the reporter that was talking to executives, or, I'm sorry, senior staff at Pornhub companies, or, you know, the biggest porn company in the world.

00:16:32.920 And, they said that they insert themes into the straight pornography in order to convert, now, they would probably say they mean this in a marketing sense.

00:16:46.600 Right.

00:16:46.820 You know, a customer to a new kind of customer.

00:16:48.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:16:49.180 Straight guys to watching porn that they otherwise might not have looked for.

00:16:54.460 Meaning, I, as a reasonable viewer of this interview, not of the porn, but of the interview, would conclude that they believe you can change people's porn preferences and tastes and things.

00:17:12.700 Because, I don't want to defame or disparage any of those wonderful, sweet, senior staff members at Pornhub.

00:17:19.800 Right, right.

00:17:20.380 But, it would seem to me that that would be a reasonable conclusion from their words.

00:17:25.020 So, is it possible that these guys, that a normal person who just watches a zillion hours of porn, might end up in one of your videos?

00:17:36.740 Or, no, you say no, it's just genetic.

00:17:39.340 Yeah, but, like, it can be, yeah, but it can be nurtured by that.

00:17:42.700 Because, you know, when I watched porn from, like, 14 to 17, it never devolved into, like, you know, regular stuff to, like, anything crazy or anything like that.

00:17:52.520 Like, it was pretty much, like, the same thing I would like.

00:17:54.220 Like, but I think people, maybe, you know, maybe it's not a pedagogy specific.

00:17:58.360 Maybe it's just their predisposed social engineering.

00:18:00.720 Or, maybe they're more apt to be social engineer than others.

00:18:03.440 Because, you know, my whole thing with porn is, like, and even, like, the fentanyl crisis and all that.

00:18:08.220 It's like, there would be a crisis if you just didn't watch it or didn't consume it.

00:18:11.400 Right.

00:18:11.680 But, you know, some people are just weaker than others when it comes to that stuff.

00:18:15.140 Like, I'm weaker when it comes to eating too much, like, obviously.

00:18:17.220 So, everybody has their vices.

00:18:19.180 So, I don't know.

00:18:20.400 I've asked people, like, is there a certain child porn video you like to view the most?

00:18:23.660 Like, we had this firefighter in Ohio that we caught.

00:18:25.560 But I asked them, so, what's your, like, do you have, like, a favorite video?

00:18:28.260 Do you have, like, one you like to watch?

00:18:30.220 He's like, no, I kind of just go on to the next thing.

00:18:32.680 And I think that's how a lot of them are.

00:18:34.160 It's like, they don't, they save the videos, but they never really go back to it.

00:18:37.160 It's just always a new thing they need to get.

00:18:38.680 That's why they call it a collection, I guess.

00:18:40.720 So, they save the, it's not like they go on a streaming service and they say, okay.

00:18:46.200 Like, oh, they save it to their computers, which is how they get pinched for possession of child pornography.

00:18:51.420 Right, right, yeah.

00:18:52.860 They do oftentimes save it.

00:18:54.780 And even if they don't, like, even if they were to go to a streaming service, they F themselves because they'll get caught that way too.

00:19:02.100 Right, right.

00:19:02.600 There's no way to, you can't have anything on your computer without, in some sense, I don't know, I'm not a tech guy.

00:19:08.300 But I assume you have to kind of download it in order to even look at it.

00:19:11.800 Like, I have to download a file if I want to read the file, even if it's, I took, like, seventh grade computer.

00:19:18.560 Yeah, yeah.

00:19:18.980 But I think, I'm speaking from authority here.

00:19:20.700 I think that's what that means, right?

00:19:22.440 Yeah, well, apparently, go back to that guy, Georgia, he said he had a 26, and this is after he got arrested,

00:19:27.560 he had a 26 gigabyte child porn file that he opened, like, a couple months ago as he's out on bond.

00:19:33.340 And he claims, well, it didn't download.

00:19:34.900 I just opened the file up and looked at it.

00:19:36.520 So I don't really know how that works because, I mean, I don't know.

00:19:39.860 Sounds like he downloaded it.

00:19:40.760 Yeah, he definitely downloaded it.

00:19:42.520 Are these people extremely stupid?

00:19:46.340 Is the predisposition for them, you mentioned they're weaker, which might be that they just

00:19:51.220 haven't cultivated habits of virtue.

00:19:52.780 Right.

00:19:53.000 Or it might be that they just are born with a weaker resistance to these things.

00:19:59.280 Is it just because they're idiots?

00:20:02.640 Are they idiots?

00:20:03.800 Yeah, I'd say a lot of them are.

00:20:06.860 But, you know, I think it comes from it's so easy for them to do it because, like, I don't

00:20:11.360 think there's more pedos now than there was 50 years ago, at least percentage of the population

00:20:15.460 wise.

00:20:16.040 But I think they can just defend 24-7 because they can, you know, 50 years ago, you couldn't

00:20:19.260 go online and watch child porn.

00:20:20.360 Now you can.

00:20:21.040 Right.

00:20:21.380 But his first message to our 13-year-old decoy is like, I have pictures, naked pictures

00:20:28.080 of girls your age.

00:20:29.260 Do you want any?

00:20:29.920 Obviously, we should know, but he's saying that under his name with his fire department

00:20:34.080 logo on as his profile.

00:20:36.540 So instantly, just on that message alone, we could have just confronted him and been

00:20:39.460 like, hey, man, what's up?

00:20:40.800 So, I mean, it's insane.

00:20:41.960 So what explains that?

00:20:43.820 I guess it could be explained by extreme stupidity.

00:20:47.520 But I don't know.

00:20:48.160 He's a fireman.

00:20:48.960 He's, like, operating in society.

00:20:52.140 Or is it that they just become convulsed by this obsession and by this lust and by the

00:20:59.220 – it just drives them insane?

00:21:01.440 Yeah, I think it's, like, kind of like that.

00:21:03.160 Like, it's, like, tunnel vision.

00:21:04.020 Because talking to him, he's not a low-IQ guy.

00:21:06.600 He's 25 years old.

00:21:07.540 He's a homeowner.

00:21:08.160 He has, like, two acres.

00:21:09.120 Doing pretty well for himself.

00:21:11.280 No, definitely not, like, any type of mental disabilities.

00:21:14.080 Like, if he wasn't a pedo, we could probably shoot the crap about anything.

00:21:17.280 You know, he's a smart dude.

00:21:19.040 But, no, I don't know what it is.

00:21:22.240 I think – you know the game Sharks and Minnows you play in the pool?

00:21:24.460 Yeah.

00:21:24.860 Like, okay, there's one shark and there's many, many minnows.

00:21:27.900 And I think that's the way they look at it.

00:21:28.900 They're like, what are the chances I'm going to be caught?

00:21:30.400 Because everybody – you know, there's so many of us and only a few people catching them

00:21:34.120 that I think it's just that mentality.

00:21:35.760 So how sophisticated does it get?

00:21:38.440 You mentioned guys just banging around the trailer park, you know, downloading stuff in this

00:21:44.040 really seems like a clunky way.

00:21:46.620 Yeah.

00:21:47.280 When I hear about political stories involving pedophilia, I'm thinking rich guys, I'm thinking

00:21:53.900 smart guys, I'm thinking powerful guys, I'm thinking Jeffrey Epstein's Island.

00:21:58.160 Is that part real?

00:22:00.580 You know, obviously Epstein Island was.

00:22:02.020 But is – or are the vast majority of these guys just, like, dumb idiots who have no self-control

00:22:07.860 and get caught?

00:22:09.320 Well, I think the elites are definitely real.

00:22:11.300 Like, but the thing is we're not going to catch – we wouldn't catch them on Instagram

00:22:14.140 or anything like that.

00:22:15.540 So we can only make a difference in what we can make a difference in.

00:22:18.040 Like, you know, if a pedo is abusing kids, it doesn't matter if they have billion dollars

00:22:22.260 or if they're on welfare.

00:22:23.140 If they're abusing kids, they're abusing kids.

00:22:24.920 So that's the way we look at it.

00:22:25.840 But yeah, I think that stuff's definitely real.

00:22:27.500 Like, we had a pedo in Wyoming who came to drink baby's blood, like, essentially adrenochrome,

00:22:32.840 and people say that just doesn't happen.

00:22:35.140 So I don't know.

00:22:37.640 Go on.

00:22:38.660 Okay.

00:22:39.480 So the guy was 19 years old, if you can believe.

00:22:42.940 I think the sickest mind – like, he doesn't have the most victims, obviously, because he's

00:22:45.820 only 19.

00:22:46.480 We've caught, like, 70-year-olds.

00:22:48.040 But he – but his name is Clayton Tanner.

00:22:50.480 I can say his name because he's convicted already in prison.

00:22:52.780 Clayton Tanner.

00:22:54.180 And 19 years old.

00:22:56.260 What we found out when we interviewed him is that he was already being investigated by Cheyenne,

00:23:00.240 Wyoming Police Department for child pornography.

00:23:02.060 So he came to meet – he was texting because he – so he didn't have his phone at the time.

00:23:06.280 He was texting us from his mom's phone talking about we had an 11-year-old decoy with – and

00:23:11.960 we just want to see how sick he was – with a baby sister who was one years old.

00:23:15.580 And he's like, I want to cut up – he's like, I want to give you guys cuts with a knife

00:23:19.440 and drink y'all's blood.

00:23:21.680 And, you know, he's saying this on his mom's phone.

00:23:24.600 So he walks over from his house to the park with his mom's phone.

00:23:27.860 He's re-downloaded all of his child porn on his mom's phone.

00:23:33.940 And I asked him, like, so did you bring the knife?

00:23:36.060 And he brought the knife.

00:23:36.960 He had the knife with him.

00:23:38.080 Full intent there.

00:23:39.060 And he was pretty honest about it, to be surprisingly.

00:23:42.000 And he just admitted, like, yeah, I want to do all this.

00:23:44.760 And, yeah.

00:23:45.740 Did he explain why?

00:23:48.140 He said he got abused very hard at four years old.

00:23:51.540 So I think that played a factor into it, but it's not an excuse.

00:23:55.200 Obviously, yeah.

00:23:55.860 I guess it is something of an explanation.

00:23:58.720 But that one's even – did he say he wanted to have sex with the –

00:24:04.520 Oh, yeah.

00:24:05.380 That was part of it.

00:24:06.540 The blood was the hors d'oeuvre.

00:24:08.720 Well, it wasn't just that, too.

00:24:09.700 It was blood.

00:24:12.660 He wanted to literally – I'm trying to think.

00:24:16.800 He wanted to literally, I think, something with –

00:24:19.400 I mean, this was in 2022, so my mind's kind of going blank.

00:24:21.860 But, like, he just had the most depraved mind we've ever seen from anybody.

00:24:26.100 You ever read 120 Days of Sodom by the Marquis de Sade?

00:24:30.100 I have not.

00:24:30.960 It's a book of philosophical pornography.

00:24:33.860 I didn't make it all the way through.

00:24:35.320 But he's a real philosopher.

00:24:36.440 It's where you get the word sadism from.

00:24:38.680 Sadist.

00:24:39.080 You know, it's just sad.

00:24:41.000 And it's about – it's written by a real philosopher.

00:24:44.620 But it starts out with this dinner party.

00:24:47.060 And it gets a little titillating.

00:24:49.860 And then before you know it, it's like people are murdering people.

00:24:53.180 And, you know, it's just – it's as depraved as it gets.

00:24:55.200 That's the nearest I've heard to that in real life.

00:24:59.240 Yeah.

00:24:59.720 But that guy just put it on paper.

00:25:02.000 And, well, he probably acted it out, too, if he's like that.

00:25:04.280 But, no, Clayton Tanner, yeah.

00:25:06.280 No, that's – that was his thing.

00:25:08.780 And even just a couple days ago in San Antonio, we caught a guy, and he wanted to give a – to what we said was an autistic five-year-old.

00:25:18.300 So, I mean, they have no limit.

00:25:20.060 I mean, you know –

00:25:20.960 That is – that involves –

00:25:24.240 Yes.

00:25:25.180 Right?

00:25:25.360 Okay.

00:25:25.860 Yeah.

00:25:26.820 Yeah.

00:25:28.960 Yeah.

00:25:29.160 Oh, man.

00:25:29.880 You've stumped me.

00:25:31.100 I usually – in interviews, I usually can just kind of follow the conversation.

00:25:37.900 You've stumped me.

00:25:38.800 That is so disturbing.

00:25:42.220 Yeah, it is.

00:25:43.020 It is.

00:25:43.420 It really is.

00:25:44.180 Like, you know, because the thing with Catch a Predator, you saw, like, all right, well, the 13- or 14-year-old girl, they want to have sex with them.

00:25:50.280 It's just kind of like a common, like, little just stereotypical hookup with, like, a kid.

00:25:55.320 But, I mean, it's so common for people to be into infants and toddlers.

00:25:59.340 Like, I would say at this point, I'm trying to think.

00:26:03.020 Let me just think.

00:26:03.740 We've done four catches this trip already.

00:26:05.940 So, four of them, two have been arrested already.

00:26:08.820 And three of them have said they have received child porn as young as five years old.

00:26:13.320 And only one of them has not admitted to that.

00:26:16.920 So, it's more common than not at this point, I think, for our people we get.

00:26:20.900 Do you ever get the guys who produce the porn?

00:26:25.220 Or are they too sophisticated and protected?

00:26:30.820 I wouldn't say they're sophisticated and protected.

00:26:32.520 I'm talking about Cheyenne, Wyoming.

00:26:35.900 So, we had Clayton Tanner.

00:26:37.380 Then the other guy we caught in Cheyenne, Wyoming, was also one of our worst.

00:26:40.160 And his name is Mike Schaefer.

00:26:41.700 He was texting who he believed to be a nine- and a six-year-old.

00:26:44.460 And you can watch all these videos, Predator Poachers on Rumble.

00:26:46.840 All you got to do is just type in the city.

00:26:48.020 So, P-R-E-D-A-T-O-R space P-O-A-C-H-E-R-S.

00:26:51.360 Then whatever city.

00:26:52.260 So, Cheyenne, in this case.

00:26:54.800 Completely free to watch.

00:26:56.220 So, Mike Schaefer was texting who he thought was a nine-year-old girl with a six-year-old sister.

00:26:59.680 He wanted to, you know, do stuff to both of them.

00:27:03.440 And there was really no, like, date for the meeting.

00:27:06.580 He's like, yeah, we'll do it one day and all this type of stuff.

00:27:08.860 But we found out he worked at a hotel in Cheyenne at the Microtel.

00:27:12.980 And he's convicted at this point, too, so we can say his name.

00:27:16.040 But, you know, so we interview him.

00:27:18.200 He admits to trading child porn and, you know, doing all that stuff, wanting to do all that.

00:27:22.360 But he did not admit to producing child porn.

00:27:25.120 And we only found out when he got convicted that he actually had victims that he produced with.

00:27:29.460 So, I think there's a lot of producers that we have caught that we just don't even know about.

00:27:33.820 And take this guy we caught.

00:27:36.440 Well, I'm not going to say his name because he hasn't been arrested yet.

00:27:38.540 But it's going to come down on him soon.

00:27:41.840 I'll just call him K.

00:27:42.760 So, we caught a guy named K.

00:27:44.960 And, you know, one of my decoys, he messages me like, hey, should we go after this guy?

00:27:51.560 Because we try to run this guy's phone number to see if he had any apps that we know to be child porn related.

00:27:56.720 He didn't have any of those.

00:27:58.040 So, my decoy, sitting in the audience right now, he messages me saying, hey, should we message this guy?

00:28:03.300 And just see, like, what he's doing.

00:28:04.780 Because the case picture on Facebook was him and his daughter.

00:28:09.540 And his daughter's very young.

00:28:11.000 And my decoy noticed that, you know, like on the banner of Facebook, like how you can have, like, your profile pic, then, like, your little banner or whatever.

00:28:16.940 So, we noticed on the banner that the daughter's face had, like, some fluid on it right here.

00:28:23.460 And it could have been water.

00:28:24.900 It could have been anything.

00:28:25.820 But very strange that he was in, like, a pedo-related group on Facebook.

00:28:30.240 And that's his little pic.

00:28:31.580 Like, so, my decoy hits him up as a pedo saying, like, hey, were you able to join any of these apps?

00:28:37.680 And Kay's like, no, no, I haven't joined any of them yet.

00:28:40.720 But he invites us over for a, quote, unquote, play date with his daughter.

00:28:44.360 We're near all these people.

00:28:45.820 Their **** will be there tomorrow.

00:28:47.140 Yeah, right, right.

00:28:48.040 And, you know, so he invites us over to his little small town.

00:28:52.300 And he invites us over.

00:28:53.780 He's like, come over on Sunday.

00:28:54.840 I get custody of her.

00:28:55.720 She's at her mom's right now.

00:28:56.800 And, you know, my decoy asks him, like, hey, so what have you done with her?

00:29:01.580 And he's like, oh, I've touched her a little bit.

00:29:03.340 And I've taken some pictures of her.

00:29:05.340 And he's like, we can do all that when you come over.

00:29:08.180 So we go over on Friday, not Sunday, because we didn't want to go over there when she was there, obviously.

00:29:12.960 And I knock on his door.

00:29:14.000 I'm like, hey, Kay, we've got to talk about these messages just online.

00:29:17.260 And he's like, oh, my God.

00:29:19.220 And, you know, he's, like, flabbergasted.

00:29:22.500 He's, like, so, like, stressed out about all this.

00:29:25.500 And his excuse to us was, oh, well, you know, I was trying to do what you guys are doing.

00:29:30.520 I was trying to catch pedos, too.

00:29:32.140 And, you know, throughout the interview, I was like, oh, wow, man, cool, cool.

00:29:35.900 So basically, I started asking about his family schedules.

00:29:39.120 I'm like, when does your wife go to work?

00:29:40.600 When does your – he has a wife and the ex-baby mama.

00:29:43.620 So, like, when does she go to work?

00:29:45.000 When does she go to work?

00:29:45.740 Like, basically trying to pin his schedule to prove that he was inviting us over when his daughter was with him alone.

00:29:50.740 And he said enough to where I'm like, dude, you just told me that everything lined up to where you were inviting us over when your daughter was there alone.

00:29:57.660 And I'm like, how is that – how does that make any sense that you were trying to catch pedos if you're inviting us over when she's alone?

00:30:03.620 And, you know, I asked him, too, like, did you tell the police about this?

00:30:07.240 He's like, well, I was going to tomorrow.

00:30:09.480 And, of course, he wasn't going to tell the cops.

00:30:10.920 And then I asked him, like, there's obviously some type of issue going on.

00:30:15.860 And, you know, he just had a stroke recently, apparently, too.

00:30:18.220 So I, like, kind of let him play into the stroke excuse as to why he's doing this.

00:30:21.560 I'm like, there's something going on, man.

00:30:23.360 You know, and he's like, okay, well, you know, just the past couple months I've been curious about this stuff.

00:30:28.200 And he's like – he just blurts out, I think my daughter's smile is attractive.

00:30:32.440 And I'm like, oh, okay.

00:30:35.420 And he still wouldn't admit to touching her or to producing with her.

00:30:38.340 He already admitted to it, though.

00:30:39.300 But he was saying I was just lying.

00:30:41.180 Yeah, he was like, I was just trying to catch people.

00:30:43.160 But he wouldn't – he wouldn't verbalize it on camera.

00:30:45.940 So I was like, look, man.

00:30:48.200 Look, I know there's some pictures taken.

00:30:49.920 It's okay.

00:30:50.420 We all get carried away.

00:30:51.320 I said something to the extent of, like, you can be a good father and still make mistakes.

00:30:55.140 And he's like, no, I haven't done it.

00:30:56.580 I'm like, well, can we get your phone and just make sure you have it?

00:30:58.800 And he's like, oh, yeah.

00:31:00.180 Then he was like, well, can I just go get it myself?

00:31:02.520 And I'm like – at that point, that's when I was like, I've already seen everything that's on the phone.

00:31:08.800 And you have a shitty Android.

00:31:10.060 It's not hard to see what's on there.

00:31:11.580 And I haven't actually seen anything on the phone, but they believe that shit.

00:31:14.520 And I was like, we've already seen anything on the phone.

00:31:16.680 And then he breaks down and he's like, okay, it's the phone at my store.

00:31:21.480 That's where it's at.

00:31:22.620 And he's like, but I've never touched her, though.

00:31:24.060 I've never touched her, though.

00:31:25.800 And, you know, but the foot's in the door already.

00:31:28.340 And then I ask him, all right, I could go to the elementary school that your daughter's at right now.

00:31:33.340 And I'm either going to hear it from her or I'm going to hear it from you.

00:31:35.200 I will go walk over there right now and go talk to her.

00:31:37.980 Then he's like, okay, okay.

00:31:39.980 I've rubbed her – I've rubbed her – and I've touched her –

00:31:42.760 And then, like, he starts, like, spilling.

00:31:45.980 And then I ask him the question straight up.

00:31:47.760 I'm like, how many times have you molested your daughter?

00:31:49.760 And he's like, two to three times.

00:31:51.040 And he says that right on camera.

00:31:52.460 Then we call the cops.

00:31:53.800 And he admits it in front of the cops.

00:31:56.400 And right now it's an open investigation on him.

00:31:58.700 And I think it's going to be our longest sentence when it's all said and done.

00:32:01.020 Is this – that's incredible.

00:32:02.680 That's incredible work.

00:32:04.160 Is this admissible in court?

00:32:06.820 Yes.

00:32:07.360 It is.

00:32:08.080 Absolutely.

00:32:08.440 Because there's no duress.

00:32:10.060 At least we try to make it that way.

00:32:11.260 There's some PDs that are like, oh, well, you're a bigger guy.

00:32:13.920 You were surrounding him.

00:32:14.640 But we try our best to not do that.

00:32:16.000 Like, we film from the car often towards only me talking to the predator

00:32:18.620 and no surrounded by anything so they can't say anything.

00:32:21.060 But I believe I told – like, it's voluntary to talk to us.

00:32:25.740 You know, I didn't force him to say anything he said.

00:32:27.960 Like, I just pointed out inconsistencies and let him say – let him bury himself.

00:32:31.540 So it's absolutely admissible in court.

00:32:33.300 Like, we've had our second longest sentence, which is 35 years,

00:32:37.340 for a guy named Jeffrey Waninger.

00:32:38.620 He's currently serving it out.

00:32:39.640 Now, he didn't – well, he didn't get convicted yet,

00:32:43.820 or maybe he did at this point, for texting our 11-year-old decoy.

00:32:46.580 He got convicted for admitting to us he molested his stepdaughter.

00:32:50.880 So he was dumb enough to not plead guilty.

00:32:53.400 So he went to trial for it.

00:32:54.580 They played our video of him admitting to molesting his stepdaughter in court.

00:32:57.880 And, well, it's pretty blatant.

00:32:59.460 I mean, he got the 35 years.

00:33:01.520 So –

00:33:01.640 Whoa.

00:33:06.180 I don't think – if I were in your shoes,

00:33:08.940 I don't think that if I went up to one of these losers

00:33:11.740 who had downloaded 50 bazillion gigabytes of porn,

00:33:15.160 I don't think it would – I would be fighting to restrain myself.

00:33:19.820 I think I'd just say, you're just such a sad case,

00:33:24.560 and you're doing terrible things, but you have no – right, whatever,

00:33:27.480 call the cops, you're arrested.

00:33:28.680 But, like, one of those guys who says,

00:33:32.720 yo, yeah, I've been molesting my daughter.

00:33:34.760 How do you restrain yourself when this guy says this?

00:33:38.340 Because you're very even keel in the videos.

00:33:40.960 Yeah.

00:33:41.900 Well, I knew – I mean, I knew he was so full of shit from the jump

00:33:46.440 when he started saying those excuses.

00:33:47.620 Like, oh, I've never touched her.

00:33:48.460 I was just trying to catch people like you.

00:33:50.720 So, you know, with that, if I call him sick and I'm like,

00:33:55.320 oh, you're a piece of crap, you know,

00:33:57.040 f*** you said this anyway, how could you fantasize about your daughter,

00:34:00.160 it would have ended right there.

00:34:01.240 He wouldn't have admitted to it.

00:34:02.200 Now, me getting mad at him for 10 minutes

00:34:04.920 would have potentially prevented a 50-year sentence in prison.

00:34:09.840 So the ends justify the means.

00:34:12.260 So I think you've already kind of answered this with your other examples here.

00:34:17.060 One of the knocks always on Chris Hansen was

00:34:19.220 that they were entrapping these people,

00:34:21.540 that they were actually creating the lusts and the demands

00:34:27.160 and just by having decoys go on and talk to these older men.

00:34:33.820 Is that a fear that has gone through your mind?

00:34:37.720 That we're entrapping them?

00:34:39.060 Yeah.

00:34:39.700 No.

00:34:39.960 And not even just entrapping them,

00:34:41.920 but that you are actually cultivating the lust

00:34:45.960 that otherwise would not be there without you and the decoys.

00:34:49.500 Absolutely not because I can't think of a –

00:34:52.320 I can't think of one pedo in the past however many years.

00:34:58.780 I truly believe it was their first time talking to a kid.

00:35:01.360 Only one.

00:35:02.280 The rest of them have all admitted to talking to other minors before.

00:35:06.040 They've all either – a lot of them, most of them have had child porn.

00:35:09.500 And that's another way we avoid entrapment.

00:35:11.240 You can't trap child porn on someone's phone.

00:35:12.920 I mean, and a lot of places, like – I wouldn't say a lot,

00:35:16.480 but there's definitely been a few places, like – for example.

00:35:19.480 We caught a guy named – and he was initially charged with, you know,

00:35:24.100 the enticement of a minor, which is him texting who he believed to be our decoy,

00:35:27.840 and child porn.

00:35:29.520 But he also admitted to us that he molested his three-year-old cousin.

00:35:33.200 So, you know, since Milwaukee basically told us,

00:35:36.980 even though they arrested the guy to, like, F off and don't do it there again.

00:35:40.040 And we're like, all right.

00:35:40.960 So they ended up dropping the enticement charge and just went with the child porn

00:35:44.460 because it's so easy to prove in court because –

00:35:46.640 and then they're going to have to bring, like, the civilian vigilantes or whatever to testify.

00:35:50.160 So –

00:35:50.400 You just say, here's the hard drive.

00:35:51.860 You know, we got him.

00:35:52.820 Absolutely.

00:35:53.420 And I don't know if he's been arrested for molesting his daughter yet,

00:35:55.940 but they said they were investigating it.

00:35:57.960 So, yeah.

00:35:58.940 How do you let that go, though?

00:36:00.060 I mean, the child porn thing is very bad, and if you can get him behind bars for it, good.

00:36:04.760 Absolutely.

00:36:05.140 But if he's – you know, every moment you don't move on he's molesting his daughter

00:36:11.760 or his cousin or some person that he has access to, you know,

00:36:15.260 every moment is endangering that kid's life.

00:36:17.940 Yeah, absolutely.

00:36:19.260 Absolutely.

00:36:20.040 I wish there was more – I wish it was a little bit more frantic with the case in Iowa currently, too.

00:36:24.720 But, you know, it moves slow.

00:36:26.180 I mean, with Jeffrey Wanninger, it took him three months to arrest him.

00:36:28.880 He wasn't arrested on the spot.

00:36:30.500 So, yeah, it seems like with the molestation, it moves a little bit slower, sadly.

00:36:35.020 But they want to – because they want to interview the victims.

00:36:36.680 They want all their ducks in a row because it's not like they – I mean, with the guy in Iowa now,

00:36:40.900 they definitely have proof of it because they have the pictures.

00:36:42.940 But, you know, with molestation, it's still a he said, she said.

00:36:46.280 Yeah.

00:36:46.460 And, you know, I guess they just want all their ducks in a row with that.

00:36:48.880 And in their defense, you want – if you're going to prosecute them, you want to get them.

00:36:52.280 Absolutely.

00:36:52.560 You know what – so what does law enforcement think of you?

00:36:55.080 Do they like you or do they not like you for doing their jobs or starting to do their jobs?

00:37:00.880 The overwhelming majority of law enforcement loves us.

00:37:04.020 So, you know, obviously the press release for a PD isn't going to come out and say,

00:37:07.560 hey, we endorse what they're doing.

00:37:08.900 And we've had detectives, like, say behind the scenes, we appreciate what you do.

00:37:11.960 So it's overwhelming support.

00:37:13.560 And, you know, because in the end, we're all on the same team here.

00:37:15.800 Because it takes – I mean, you're on the same team, too.

00:37:17.360 You're amplifying a message that exposes child predators.

00:37:20.640 So it takes all of us because there's way too many predators and not enough people exposing it.

00:37:25.060 Right.

00:37:25.580 I think the sharks and minnows example is probably a pretty good one.

00:37:29.460 Yeah.

00:37:29.840 Where they just think they can't get caught.

00:37:31.480 But you said something earlier that was shocking to me.

00:37:34.160 You said there are apps for pedophiles.

00:37:38.440 How are there – how did those get in the App Store?

00:37:41.440 Well, like, let me take that back a little bit.

00:37:43.860 Like, it's not apps specifically designed for pedophiles.

00:37:46.820 Well, maybe.

00:37:49.020 There was one app called – I only found out about this yesterday.

00:37:51.720 It was called the ****** app.

00:37:52.940 So just apps that other people would use for texting.

00:37:55.580 Correct.

00:37:56.200 They use it like they have, like, a group text or something.

00:37:59.980 Absolutely.

00:38:00.560 Yeah.

00:38:01.440 And, I mean, but there's just one now called ****** that we haven't even hopped on yet

00:38:04.680 because I think that's a one-way ticket to be sent child porn.

00:38:07.420 Because it's so encrypted.

00:38:08.860 Yeah.

00:38:09.320 Yeah.

00:38:09.480 So, but at least we know when one of the pedos we're talking to says,

00:38:13.220 hey, hop on ****** with us.

00:38:14.420 We don't.

00:38:15.040 But at least we know for sure they have child porn then.

00:38:17.540 So.

00:38:18.140 I guess in a way it makes sense that they would want to go on these niche apps

00:38:22.220 if they're more protected or something.

00:38:23.960 But in another sense, that seems like the dumbest thing you would do

00:38:27.120 if you were a pedophile.

00:38:28.300 Because then it's like, hey, you know, downloading pedophile.com, you know,

00:38:32.540 to your phone.

00:38:33.780 No, no, I'm innocent.

00:38:34.840 Right.

00:38:35.280 Officer, what are you talking about?

00:38:36.480 Yeah, it's definitely a double-edged sword.

00:38:38.000 And I've told some detectives, because a lot of detectives we come across,

00:38:41.900 like, they don't even know, like, what ****** was used for

00:38:44.220 or what, you know, ****** is used for.

00:38:46.760 Because, you know, us being 23 kind of helps

00:38:50.220 because we're, like, better tech, we're better with technology

00:38:52.320 than, like, a 50-year-old detective is.

00:38:53.940 Yeah.

00:38:54.060 But we tell them, like, hey, this app is just easy pick-ins.

00:38:56.980 Like, you can just scream out.

00:38:58.960 Like, it'd be like in India.

00:38:59.820 Since you said you're going to India later, it'd be, like, screaming,

00:39:01.780 hey, Belgeet, and everybody turns around.

00:39:03.200 If you just scream out, like, hey, pedo on ******,

00:39:04.800 everybody's going to say, oh, that's me.

00:39:07.820 Yeah.

00:39:08.280 Hey, Deepak, you know, everyone raises their hand.

00:39:11.740 Absolutely.

00:39:12.540 So.

00:39:13.280 I get how you stop the idiots in the trailer parks.

00:39:17.540 Mm-hmm.

00:39:18.400 How do you stop weird sex stuff in Beverly Hills

00:39:23.340 and Washington, D.C. and Epstein Island in the Caribbean?

00:39:28.420 Just allowing free speech on Twitter and having Trump in office,

00:39:31.060 that fixes everything.

00:39:32.020 No, I'm just kidding.

00:39:33.000 But, like, you know, maybe, crap.

00:39:37.500 On my end, right now, with my abilities, we can't.

00:39:40.560 But, you know, there's no perfect solution to everything.

00:39:43.440 You know, we made a difference in the little girl's life in Iowa.

00:39:47.340 Yeah.

00:39:47.920 And that can have a chain reaction.

00:39:50.060 Now we make a difference in someone else's life.

00:39:51.900 So there's only, I mean, if there's a room full of shit,

00:39:55.080 do you clean none of the shit or do you clean as much as you can?

00:39:57.620 Right.

00:39:57.980 And that's the way I look at it.

00:39:59.360 But how do we stop what's going on in Hollywood and all of that?

00:40:02.320 I think it's going to take more whistleblowers and more people

00:40:05.740 who are just like, I don't care if I lose my career over this

00:40:08.600 or potentially get killed.

00:40:10.680 Like, start naming names and all that.

00:40:12.780 At least outing them.

00:40:13.760 That'd be the first.

00:40:14.780 And then after that, we'll see.

00:40:15.700 I don't know.

00:40:16.440 So how do you, if you've got elite people involved in the weird sex stuff,

00:40:24.680 underage sex stuff, which we know for a fact,

00:40:26.860 because we know about Epstein-Anon.

00:40:27.960 Absolutely.

00:40:28.300 How do you ever untie that knot when obviously the political order

00:40:36.500 and the police and law enforcement are therefore involved in it?

00:40:40.900 You know, Dick Durbin, who's one of the top-ranking Democrats in the Senate,

00:40:45.160 he was asked by a reporter the other day,

00:40:47.840 Senator Durbin, why won't you subpoena the Jeffrey Epstein flight logs?

00:40:52.080 And he said, oh, no one's ever asked me to do that, which is ridiculous.

00:40:54.640 Marsha Blackburn asked him to do it in the U.S. Senate.

00:40:58.160 And he said, oh, no one wants that.

00:41:00.060 That's Fox News, crazy, right-wing.

00:41:02.660 No, nobody wants that.

00:41:05.260 And then I think, well, I don't know if Dick Durbin was on the Lolita Express.

00:41:09.900 I have no reason to think he was.

00:41:11.900 I know some of his friends were.

00:41:14.080 Just the Bill Clinton, we know.

00:41:15.520 Yeah.

00:41:16.340 But then furthermore, we know that according to Alex Acosta,

00:41:23.500 Trump's former labor secretary,

00:41:24.800 who was U.S. attorney prosecuting Jeffrey Epstein the first time,

00:41:28.660 Alex Acosta famously reportedly said that Epstein belonged to intelligence.

00:41:32.540 We know that Epstein's business partner, the madam who procured the girls,

00:41:36.320 we know that her father was mobbed up with intelligence

00:41:38.640 from most likely three different countries.

00:41:41.420 Mossad, MI6, and MI6 thought that he was connected to KGB.

00:41:45.260 I mean, this is all, I think this is only his Wikipedia page.

00:41:47.340 You know, this isn't crazy conspiracy theory stuff.

00:41:49.720 So we know there were cameras all over the island in his various houses.

00:41:54.600 I mean, it seems like an intelligence operation,

00:41:57.080 or at least somehow connected to intelligence.

00:41:59.220 So then, okay, if the ruling political class is involved in this,

00:42:04.460 good luck trying to stop it or even discover very much about it.

00:42:08.380 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

00:42:09.300 It's going to take every single person in Congress

00:42:11.700 and all the way up to the president.

00:42:14.120 Maybe we can keep Thomas Massey.

00:42:15.500 The rest of them have to go.

00:42:16.680 It's going to take all of them to just leave and be overhauled

00:42:19.200 in order to, I think, subpoena this.

00:42:20.960 Because it's not just the Democrats.

00:42:24.360 It's the Republicans, too.

00:42:25.380 Like, you know, my thing with Trump is, like, okay, if he's really an outsider.

00:42:30.740 Like, okay, I think there's a difference between not a politician

00:42:33.340 versus being an outsider.

00:42:35.040 He's not a politician, sure, but he's definitely not an outsider.

00:42:37.200 I mean, he donated to Hillary, was bald buddy-buddy with her.

00:42:39.720 Even said, like, during his presidency,

00:42:41.500 oh, we like to get her locked up before the election.

00:42:43.280 Now we don't really care.

00:42:44.380 He said this.

00:42:45.080 And, you know, that's my issue with him.

00:42:47.200 If he really is about it, he should have been screaming and hollering every day,

00:42:52.020 release the flight logs, release the flight logs, release the flight logs.

00:42:54.480 And that's kind of my issue with him, among other things, like the VACs.

00:42:56.980 But, yeah, it's a whole different other conversation.

00:42:58.640 Right.

00:42:59.520 So you're a man of the right.

00:43:01.580 You're a right wing.

00:43:02.260 Very, very, very far right.

00:43:04.020 Yeah.

00:43:04.260 Are there any liberals involved in the catch-a-peto community?

00:43:10.760 Predator catcher-wise, there's really nobody who's a leftist.

00:43:13.920 Yeah.

00:43:15.140 It's kind of—

00:43:16.000 Funny that.

00:43:16.500 Yeah, right, right.

00:43:17.480 I will say, though, most of the people we catch, I guess, are Republican voters.

00:43:21.320 Not conservative in practice, because a lot of them are, like, on disability and welfare

00:43:24.440 and all that stuff.

00:43:25.460 But, you know, we get a lot of comments, like, on YouTube, I mean, on Rumble, for example,

00:43:29.320 like, oh, but look at you, you're catching another right winger.

00:43:32.120 I'm like, okay, but who are—the person arresting him is a right winger.

00:43:34.460 The person catching him is a right winger.

00:43:36.000 Like, you know, so it's—

00:43:37.480 Right.

00:43:37.660 I once heard this described as pedophile is to Republican accusation as racist is to Democrat

00:43:48.740 accusation.

00:43:49.800 That basically, on the right, we go too far in smearing everyone as a pedo, just like

00:43:55.760 the libs smear everyone as a racist, whether it's justified or not.

00:43:59.200 Do you think there's any legitimacy to that accusation?

00:44:03.740 Oh, man.

00:44:05.740 I don't know, because—I don't know, because I think—like, do I think those elementary

00:44:11.840 school teachers, like this—like these, like, dumb blue-haired women teaching five-year-olds

00:44:16.380 about sex?

00:44:17.140 Do I think those women are pedos?

00:44:18.940 Probably not.

00:44:20.020 Yeah.

00:44:20.320 But I just think—I just think they think it's just not a bad thing.

00:44:23.940 Yeah.

00:44:24.260 Like, I don't think they would have sex with a five-year-old student, you know, but

00:44:27.260 evil has no limits, so you don't know.

00:44:28.660 But they'll put pornography in the hands of it, you know, as long as it's illustrated

00:44:33.200 and published by a major publishing house.

00:44:35.100 They'll put, you know, a book that shows explicit sexual acts between kids into the

00:44:42.060 hands of young children.

00:44:43.140 Right.

00:44:43.480 And I think those are more of the useful idiots, because there's basically—I mean, there's

00:44:47.160 useful idiots on both sides, and the world needs useful idiots to exist, because, you

00:44:50.680 know, without—if there's leaders, there's going to be useful idiots.

00:44:53.380 That's just the truth.

00:44:53.960 But those are the useful idiots, and they—I think they truly can't make the connection

00:44:58.500 about sex—like, kids are looking at porn to, like, eventual pedophilia and grooming.

00:45:04.740 I don't think they make that connection.

00:45:06.440 Obviously, the people at the top putting that in the curriculum obviously are pedophiles,

00:45:10.000 and obviously, no, that's the case.

00:45:11.520 But I just think, like, with a lot of—with a lot of things, they're the useful idiot.

00:45:15.420 The henchmen are the ones, like, that get all the slack, and the people behind the scenes

00:45:18.340 are the—

00:45:18.800 You know, I try to give—even the people at the top, I try to give them grace, or credit

00:45:24.840 at least.

00:45:25.300 I try to be as charitable as I can to say, maybe it's not that they're pedophiles.

00:45:30.860 Maybe it's that they are just beholden to an ideology that sincerely believes that sex

00:45:37.480 is totally liberating, and we should divorce it from marriage, and little children should

00:45:42.720 have sex.

00:45:43.280 And, I mean, there were theories going back to, like, Wilhelm Reich and these leftists

00:45:49.560 in the 1960s who really believed it would free children.

00:45:53.040 They would claim it would cure war, poverty, disease.

00:45:56.160 And so you think, look, that's completely nuts.

00:45:58.260 It's wrong.

00:45:58.960 It's evil, actually.

00:46:00.060 But they know not what they do.

00:46:01.620 That's what I try—that's what I try to tell myself.

00:46:04.400 And then I see someone like Oren McIntyre over at The Blaze who says, just let's tap the

00:46:10.300 sign.

00:46:10.920 It's not that complicated.

00:46:11.920 They just want to diddle kids.

00:46:14.340 One of his most famous lines, probably.

00:46:16.760 Yeah, yeah.

00:46:17.260 Maybe there's something to that.

00:46:17.940 I don't know.

00:46:18.440 No, I think so, because it's truly—truly, what I figured out doing this, I said a couple

00:46:24.660 minutes ago, is, like, evil has no limits.

00:46:26.900 So we've thought with some pedos, like, yeah, they did this, but I don't think they do this.

00:46:31.880 Then we find out when they get arrested, oh, they did do this, too.

00:46:34.440 Right.

00:46:34.780 And, you know, I think—I wouldn't give these people at the top credits.

00:46:38.000 Like, you know, the shit libs that are the ones teaching the kids.

00:46:40.220 The ones, like, at the top, don't give them credit to think they're just ignorant, too.

00:46:43.540 They know exactly what they're doing.

00:46:44.820 George Soros knows exactly what he's doing.

00:46:47.220 These people—I mean, evil just exists.

00:46:50.240 You know, Hitler and Stalin weren't the only evil people to exist in the world.

00:46:53.560 Like, you know, everybody points to them.

00:46:55.380 They weren't the only evil to exist.

00:46:56.520 Evil exists right here in our country, too.

00:46:58.960 And I think a lot of people don't really—because our lives have been so good.

00:47:02.420 I mean, in the end, like, no matter if Biden's in office, if Trump's in office, in the end,

00:47:06.040 we can still go home to our video games and our porn and shit.

00:47:08.880 So nobody really cares.

00:47:10.540 But—

00:47:10.860 What a great life.

00:47:11.820 Exactly.

00:47:12.360 Exactly.

00:47:13.060 But at least people think it's a great life.

00:47:14.460 Yeah.

00:47:14.740 I don't know.

00:47:15.000 A hundred percent.

00:47:15.940 So people don't care enough about the evil that truly does exist here because all they

00:47:19.560 hear about is, oh, evil was, like, in Germany and stuff.

00:47:22.360 Evil was, like, here.

00:47:23.100 But it wasn't ever here.

00:47:24.040 It is.

00:47:24.980 Right.

00:47:26.440 So getting back to something that we talked about earlier, what do you do with these pedos

00:47:34.720 who are either hardened by decades of porn or whatever, you know, formed them, or they

00:47:43.200 were abused themselves, or they're born that way, let's say.

00:47:46.560 I don't know.

00:47:46.820 Any situation, is there any path to redemption for these people?

00:47:53.260 Yeah.

00:47:54.540 The guy yesterday, I think he truly needed help because he's just too addicted to his

00:48:02.120 phone with the child porn.

00:48:04.040 So what I did to get him help, I called this help number.

00:48:08.480 Let me try to remember the number.

00:48:10.040 The three numbers?

00:48:10.860 It was 911.

00:48:11.880 Yeah.

00:48:12.100 Okay.

00:48:12.840 And if he was in prison, he'd have no phone to watch child porn.

00:48:16.420 Yeah.

00:48:16.660 So I was trying to get him that help yesterday.

00:48:19.200 Then the detective came and took all of his devices.

00:48:21.560 So he's already in step one of our little help program.

00:48:23.700 Let's go ahead.

00:48:24.980 But no, in all seriousness, in all seriousness, these people, there's no helping these people.

00:48:31.280 They're born that way.

00:48:32.640 Do you think if you had, okay, you love your wife, right?

00:48:34.760 So if you had therapy to not love her or to not love her and not want to, you know, not

00:48:39.480 find her attractive, do you think that therapy would work?

00:48:41.500 No.

00:48:41.940 Not in the case of my wife.

00:48:43.320 She's a unique case as just the smoking hottest little Elisa in the world that I've been in

00:48:50.180 love with for now the majority of my life.

00:48:52.580 However, however, if it were some lesser woman than my sweet little Elisa, I don't know.

00:49:00.100 If it were just some girl I dated, and then I were conditioned through therapy to be told

00:49:07.780 all these terrible things about her or to point out all her flaws or something like

00:49:11.440 that, I could probably have a weakened attraction to her.

00:49:16.400 I'm trying to use the analogy here.

00:49:18.640 Like, you're telling me there's nothing, I just, it pains me to think this because as

00:49:24.560 a Christian, I have to believe that redemption is available to all people.

00:49:30.020 And so I'm not, you know, I like the self-help number that you called for these guys.

00:49:34.080 It's so simple, yeah.

00:49:35.000 Very simple to remember even.

00:49:36.920 And even going back to like Plato in the Gorgias, he points out, Socrates points out in this

00:49:43.360 great work of philosophy, that it is worse to do harm than to be harmed.

00:49:49.120 It's worse because it, you can't control being harmed.

00:49:56.260 Suffering is a fact of the world.

00:49:57.660 There's nothing particularly moral or immoral about that.

00:50:00.060 But if I do evil, I'm compromising my own soul.

00:50:03.120 So, you know, I mean, you're joking about it, but you actually are helping these men by

00:50:06.820 doing this for them.

00:50:08.460 But therefore, is it not the case that they will get some help in prison and they will

00:50:15.600 not have their phones and their, perhaps their addiction to this stuff will be mitigated or

00:50:19.080 no?

00:50:19.560 You're just shaking your head.

00:50:20.380 Zero, zero.

00:50:21.460 I'm telling you, man, zero.

00:50:22.660 Because we kind of got him in Las Vegas in April of this year.

00:50:26.460 He served 18 years in prison from like, let's just say 2000 to 2018.

00:50:30.840 My ears are a little bit off here, but just paraphrasing.

00:50:32.780 Yeah.

00:50:33.900 For child molestation, multiple victims.

00:50:36.020 He somehow scored himself a retrial.

00:50:38.180 So he was out on parole.

00:50:39.980 We caught him in April.

00:50:40.900 He had a retrial coming up in June.

00:50:42.780 He could have been a free man right now if he would control himself.

00:50:46.260 But so we caught him.

00:50:47.180 He was texting who he thought was a nine-year-old girl.

00:50:49.960 We caught him.

00:50:50.600 He admitted to 50,000 images of child pornography.

00:50:53.860 And this is as he was wearing his ankle monitor, about to have trial in two months to

00:50:57.620 potentially get everything dropped.

00:50:58.600 You're saying he admitted to having had all that child pornography or he had it even on

00:51:02.440 phone?

00:51:02.580 Currently.

00:51:03.320 Currently.

00:51:03.640 And his excuse was, it was a really funny excuse.

00:51:06.600 It was adorable.

00:51:07.320 How did he have enough time to get that much pornography?

00:51:09.600 That's what I'm saying.

00:51:10.260 I don't know.

00:51:11.100 He's like, this is how he was.

00:51:12.920 He was like, it just comes at me every day, man.

00:51:14.680 It's like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

00:51:16.060 And I'm like, well, how many do you have?

00:51:17.660 He's like, oh, 50,000.

00:51:20.000 And his excuse was he's collecting them to give to the FBI.

00:51:23.200 And he's like, I have folders in my room that say FBI on them.

00:51:26.220 There wasn't no folders like that.

00:51:27.440 Yeah.

00:51:27.700 I wouldn't expect them.

00:51:28.520 Yeah.

00:51:28.680 I was like, well, are you at least saving them into categories so you can give them?

00:51:32.560 He's like, yeah, I'm saving all of them.

00:51:33.700 And I'm like, all right, all right.

00:51:36.220 But yeah, so because of that, obviously, the whole retrial thing didn't happen.

00:51:44.360 And he's back in prison for the rest of his life.

00:51:47.200 And see, that's the thing.

00:51:48.680 They can't even not look at child porn for a couple of years to potentially get the worst

00:51:52.400 heinous crime dropped forever.

00:51:54.380 And there's another guy in Oregon.

00:51:55.820 He got a three-year sentence.

00:51:57.300 Just think how long that is in Oregon.

00:51:58.780 That's how you know he's back.

00:51:59.460 Yeah, right.

00:52:00.620 Oregon, you could murder a man.

00:52:02.180 They'd take you out to lunch at the prison, and then you're out by dinner.

00:52:05.300 Oh, absolutely.

00:52:06.220 Absolutely.

00:52:06.740 So he was a sex offender messaging who he thought was an eight-year-old girl.

00:52:10.140 We caught him in 2021.

00:52:11.160 If you just look up Predator Posers Eugene, Eugene, Oregon on Rumble, you'll see that catch

00:52:15.160 there.

00:52:17.520 He was a sex offender.

00:52:18.900 He just spilled all the beans.

00:52:20.320 He was one of the most honest predators we caught.

00:52:22.200 And looking back on it, it's probably because he liked to talk about what he did to his

00:52:25.280 kids and his cousins and all that.

00:52:27.800 But he spilled everything.

00:52:30.040 And then he was telling me, like, yeah, well, I take sex offender counseling, and I'm the

00:52:36.160 head of my class.

00:52:36.940 Like, he's the one that helps other sex offenders not do it.

00:52:39.760 And he's talking to an eight-year-old girl.

00:52:43.080 Ugh.

00:52:44.380 Can they be helpful ever then?

00:52:46.140 Okay, so you're saying that actually the self-help plan for them is life in prison.

00:52:51.980 Absolutely.

00:52:52.300 There's no, that maybe they can, you know, accept God's grace, work on their soul, but

00:52:58.100 they can never be granted any degree of political freedom because they're just not capable of

00:53:02.980 it.

00:53:03.140 Correct.

00:53:03.620 Okay.

00:53:04.420 Can they be helpful to law enforcement?

00:53:06.660 You know, ratting on the weird apps or the group chats or anything like that?

00:53:11.940 Yeah, like, I've never been in a child porn group.

00:53:15.060 I've never opened up a m****.

00:53:16.460 I've never been in a child porn group.

00:53:18.760 I've never traded child porn.

00:53:21.480 Like, I haven't seen any of this crap, but I have so much knowledge of it because of interviews

00:53:26.320 with pedos.

00:53:27.320 Because a thing that I like to tell them is, like, look, man, I care about the producers.

00:53:32.580 Because that's how the guy spilled yesterday.

00:53:34.220 Because he, you know, he was claiming he didn't have m****, how he's, like, keeping himself

00:53:37.540 accountable.

00:53:38.160 It's all m****.

00:53:38.860 But, you know, I'm like, hey, man, well, I care about the producers.

00:53:41.420 You know, because you're just a guy, you have vices and you have demons you're fighting,

00:53:44.500 but these guys are actually evil.

00:53:45.640 Then he's like, okay, well, this is what they're sending in the chats.

00:53:47.640 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

00:53:48.740 Wow.

00:53:49.200 And, you know, so I know a lot about this stuff just from what pedos have told me.

00:53:53.700 So, yes, they can be very helpful.

00:53:55.640 And I think, you know, if law enforcement doesn't already utilize them to give info on other

00:54:00.380 people, they definitely should.

00:54:01.920 Though I wonder what the incentive would be for them.

00:54:04.440 Because you're saying if you let them out of prison, they're just going to reoffend, you

00:54:08.100 know, almost every time.

00:54:09.020 And so, I don't know, what, did they get an extra helping of dessert or something?

00:54:12.700 Yeah, I think that'd be good.

00:54:13.780 I think that'd probably be the best thing.

00:54:15.480 Yeah.

00:54:15.660 Right.

00:54:16.120 Why not?

00:54:17.760 So, what's the future of predator poachers?

00:54:21.220 Well, I have zero goals.

00:54:23.680 All I know is we just move forward.

00:54:25.260 Like I like to say, a beautiful picture is painted with a little small stroke.

00:54:28.680 So, you know, every day is a stroke, right?

00:54:30.680 So, no, I mean, the way I look at it, like, obviously, we want to keep growing predator

00:54:33.840 poachers.

00:54:35.140 And we want to keep growing predator poachers.

00:54:38.460 We want to be a bigger influence.

00:54:40.060 And I think you're helping a lot with that.

00:54:41.480 So, I really appreciate it.

00:54:42.440 Are you concerned that it personally will take a toll?

00:54:45.360 That you're just being around?

00:54:46.520 Even if you're saying, look, I'm not, I don't have to look at the images.

00:54:50.320 I don't need to.

00:54:51.140 But you're still hearing the accounts.

00:54:53.260 You're still seeing the chat logs, which are sick.

00:54:55.680 You post them sometimes to Twitter or X, and they're, even just reading that stuff,

00:55:02.020 you just think, you know, the eyes are the window to the soul.

00:55:05.140 I don't need this, man.

00:55:06.540 Do you ever get burnt out?

00:55:08.840 Nah.

00:55:09.280 Like, this is the funnest thing in the world to me.

00:55:11.260 And, yeah, I don't know.

00:55:13.380 Like, the thing that's been taking a toll is, like, traveling the country half the month

00:55:16.640 in a car.

00:55:17.440 Like, since doing this in 2019, I've gained, like, 70 pounds.

00:55:21.720 That's a lot of stress.

00:55:22.560 It's just sitting down a lot and eating a lot of great food, by the way.

00:55:25.840 But, you know.

00:55:26.480 But, no, mentally, no.

00:55:29.160 Because, you know, all I look at is, it's just adversity.

00:55:31.980 And everybody has adversity.

00:55:33.320 But I'd rather much be doing this than, like, a nine-to-five.

00:55:35.760 So, it is what it is.

00:55:36.940 What about the police academy?

00:55:38.840 Oh, when I sit down with my girlfriend and she moves in and we have kids, yeah, probably so.

00:55:43.700 But not before then.

00:55:45.840 What does your girlfriend think about your line of work?

00:55:48.520 Well, I met her because she was watching the channel, so she likes it.

00:55:51.460 Really?

00:55:51.900 Wow, that's good.

00:55:52.420 That's good to have a spouse on board.

00:55:55.360 Absolutely.

00:55:56.020 That's what you're doing.

00:55:58.220 Is there anything that surprised you?

00:56:01.340 When you got into it, obviously, you had been watching this kind of content that you're now producing.

00:56:05.280 Mm-hmm.

00:56:05.500 And, you know, you were eager to catch the bad guys.

00:56:10.400 Did you know what you were signing up for or was there something that you didn't expect?

00:56:14.980 I did not know what I was signing up for.

00:56:16.940 Like, I did not.

00:56:18.000 Like, I didn't start doing this with the intention of, like, oh, I want this many subs on YouTube or I want to make this a job.

00:56:23.040 I literally was like, all right, what the hell?

00:56:24.440 This should be interesting.

00:56:26.180 And so, no, there was literally just no – it was just on a whim.

00:56:31.440 And I think – and I blame my parents for that in a good way because growing up, they, you know, they weren't strict at all.

00:56:38.320 I mean, they weren't absent, but they weren't strict.

00:56:40.960 Like, they were just very, like, laissez-faire with, like, okay, just be home by this time and, you know, go organize a football game or whatever.

00:56:46.980 So, they gave me a lot of freedom to just think outside the box and to just be, like – what's the word for it?

00:56:52.880 Not unique, but I don't know.

00:56:55.520 Just think outside – basically think outside the box as in, like, just, you know, not do everything by the book.

00:57:00.140 Don't have to, like, you have to do this at this time.

00:57:02.020 So, you know, I think the whole idea of predator poachers was just the fact that they've ingrained in me from a young age.

00:57:07.720 Like, hey, if you want to go do it, just go do it.

00:57:09.520 Just don't be an idiot.

00:57:10.620 And so, definitely that.

00:57:13.020 But what was the question again?

00:57:14.020 If you were surprised by –

00:57:17.060 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:18.300 So, what I'm surprised by is, like, we started posing as, like, 15 – we started posing as 15-year-olds.

00:57:25.660 And I was – at 19 years old, I was shocked that anybody would be going after a 15-year-old.

00:57:29.620 Because even me at 19, I was like, well, I wouldn't go near a 15-year-old.

00:57:32.500 That's, like, weird.

00:57:33.180 Because, you know, I remember in eighth grade, you know, we had a kid on the football team.

00:57:37.900 And he was dating a sixth grader.

00:57:39.580 And we all looked at him as, like, ah-ha-ha.

00:57:41.400 You know, like, we looked at him like, that's a two-year age difference.

00:57:44.380 Yeah, but those two years matter a lot.

00:57:46.940 You know, they matter less over time.

00:57:48.560 But, you know, you're talking about a sixth grader is, like, 11 years old.

00:57:52.300 Yeah.

00:57:52.760 Yeah.

00:57:53.080 Yeah, it's definitely more so in middle school.

00:57:55.400 That's weird than, like, now.

00:57:56.780 Well, high school, too.

00:57:57.580 My girlfriend's two years older than me.

00:57:58.800 And I always joke with her, like, I'm going to go catch a pedo when I confront you.

00:58:01.900 So, when I see you, so, like – but, yeah, no.

00:58:06.220 So, what I'm surprised by is, like, obviously, at first, it was like, holy cow, people actually like kids.

00:58:11.220 And then we would pose at, like, 13 years old, 12 years old.

00:58:13.640 Like, no way somebody would go after a 13- or a 12-year-old.

00:58:16.980 And then it became, like, people like infants and toddlers.

00:58:20.640 And that was, like – I was, like, no freaking way.

00:58:23.360 Like, in 2022, we caught our first guy, and I was like, no, no, this guy's, like, the worst, bro.

00:58:27.800 And now it's, like, every other guy's into infants that we get, so.

00:58:34.100 Is that – ah, man.

00:58:37.160 Is that new?

00:58:38.320 It's probably not new.

00:58:39.080 I'm sure there have been weirdos for all of history.

00:58:41.380 But, like, I guess I'm just wondering, is the problem getting worse?

00:58:47.480 Are the crimes getting more violent?

00:58:49.520 Are the victims getting younger?

00:58:51.180 Or no?

00:58:51.880 Is this just the way it's always been?

00:58:54.020 Well, so, I think the same amount of – I think the same percentage of the population of pedos exist back then as now.

00:59:03.860 But the internet gives them a 24-hour window to offend, which – think about any other crime.

00:59:10.060 Like, if I wanted to go rob a bank, I couldn't do it 24 hours a day.

00:59:13.080 I'd have to, like, plan it for a couple months and all that stuff.

00:59:15.580 Not giving any tips or anything, I wouldn't know how to do it.

00:59:17.400 But, like, I'd have to plan it for a couple months and all that stuff.

00:59:20.280 But with these pedos, two clicks, and they're offending.

00:59:23.780 So then isn't it – it would seem to me, and this sometimes irks the small government types.

00:59:32.080 Now, look, I like a limited government, but I don't want it to be small.

00:59:35.880 I don't think you can have a small government in a country of 330 million people.

00:59:38.980 I want the government to arrest the bad guys.

00:59:41.100 That's a bigger government that does that.

00:59:44.420 If the thing that is leading these guys, who might have sick fantasies, but now they're acting them out with images alone,

00:59:51.880 and now they're texting people, and now they're going to visit –

00:59:55.660 but if we put limits on how the Internet can be used on –

01:00:02.720 they tried to do this in the 90s, the Communications Decency Act and the Child Online Protection Act.

01:00:06.640 If we put limits on pornography companies, if we put limits on some of these apps that are being used for child pornography,

01:00:13.340 there are insane limits being put on, like, Twitter, right, by corporations,

01:00:19.200 but yet we're not seeing limits being imposed on apps being used by pedophiles,

01:00:24.620 wouldn't that be good for everybody and especially good for the pedos themselves

01:00:29.260 so they don't have 24 hours a day to commit their crimes?

01:00:32.120 Yeah, I agree.

01:00:33.420 Like, people say, like, oh, **** should be banned from the App Store, banned in general.

01:00:38.060 I don't agree with that because I think freedom and God-given rights over everything to me.

01:00:43.580 However, I don't see how being able to message who you want on **** has to involve, like, child pornography.

01:00:51.920 Like, there could be censors for that, I think, on ****.

01:00:55.580 That's obviously not freedom.

01:00:57.540 Like, in the sense that this guy gets out on parole,

01:01:00.540 and then he instantly downloads 50,000 child pornography images.

01:01:04.100 He's not a free man.

01:01:05.680 Our law might have classified him as free or somewhat free,

01:01:08.560 but if you don't have any control over yourself, if you're being enticed even by all sorts of technologies

01:01:14.700 and other creeps on the internet, that is not freedom.

01:01:19.520 Actually, more limitations would give you more freedom in that case.

01:01:23.320 I see what you're saying.

01:01:24.560 I see what you're saying for sure.

01:01:26.340 Like, I still think it just falls on the individual,

01:01:28.960 but I do think that, you know, it takes two.

01:01:32.040 Like, I think it's 90% the individual's fault and 10% ****'s fault.

01:01:35.840 But, yeah, they need—there are ways.

01:01:39.180 I mean, if the FBI can ding images, like, because that's how it works.

01:01:42.440 They ding—basically, there's certain child porn videos and pictures that flow around, like, very commonly.

01:01:47.380 So the FBI has those videos marked.

01:01:49.520 And I think **** and these other apps, they can stop the child porn problem—

01:01:55.340 Of course.

01:01:55.840 —without having to compromise people's ability to text somebody.

01:02:00.220 Hey, let's go over here.

01:02:01.400 Hey, what's up?

01:02:02.260 Hey, let's text here because I don't want, you know, people seeing my text messages.

01:02:05.320 Yeah.

01:02:06.060 What's wrong with that?

01:02:06.820 I don't—I'm as skeptical of the FBI and the deep state as anybody.

01:02:11.940 Yeah.

01:02:12.720 I'm all for true freedom.

01:02:14.340 Why can't they just do whatever the FBI is doing with this image,

01:02:18.540 and they see the image pop up, and maybe even they report the guy at the very least.

01:02:21.760 They don't let it go around the app.

01:02:23.340 Yeah, I think—I think, yeah, I think reporting that would be good, too, if anything.

01:02:26.880 They could easily do that.

01:02:28.180 Yeah.

01:02:28.380 They could easily do that.

01:02:28.980 Just send it on over to the FBI and let them handle it.

01:02:31.180 Yeah, but—

01:02:31.580 Maybe send them over to you.

01:02:32.160 Yeah, well, shoot.

01:02:33.500 I mean, **** doesn't even respond to subpoenas, though.

01:02:35.960 So, I mean, as for the feds doing it, like, we've had feds take up a lot of our cases.

01:02:42.100 Not most of them, but a lot of them.

01:02:43.920 And, I mean, the feds that work at the sex crime, they seem to be, like,

01:02:46.720 very passionate about what they do, and it's not political for them, so.

01:02:50.020 Very often in these conversations, no matter the topic, some have been explicitly religious,

01:02:54.520 some have not been really religious at all, but a spiritual dimension sometimes creeps in.

01:03:01.480 And I imagine, when we're talking about pretty much the most evil thing you can imagine,

01:03:06.880 there is a spiritual element here as well.

01:03:10.280 On the scale of these guys don't consider anything in the metaphysical realm to these

01:03:19.000 are interdimensional demons worshiping Satan.

01:03:22.840 Where do your marks fall?

01:03:27.020 Well, for example, the guy in Georgia yesterday, his dad's a pastor.

01:03:31.860 He identified as a Christian.

01:03:34.140 Then we've also had people who are just atheists or pagans.

01:03:37.960 Like, we had a guy in Florida recently.

01:03:41.380 He was—he's like, I'm a pagan, so I was like, he was wearing a pentagram when we caught him.

01:03:45.860 And I'm like, well, is that, like, devil worshiping?

01:03:48.240 And he's like, no, no, it's just your one with the earth and the wind and the trees.

01:03:51.380 I'm like, I'm just thinking it's a devil worshiping.

01:03:53.120 Tomato, tomato.

01:03:54.040 Yeah, right, right.

01:03:55.340 So, no, it's really an array of things.

01:03:58.200 We've absolutely caught our fair share of religious guys,

01:04:00.440 but we've also caught our fair share of just people who don't do any of that religion stuff.

01:04:04.680 They just—I mean, they just worship themselves, pretty much.

01:04:07.960 They just worship child porn, so.

01:04:10.240 They just create an idol out of that.

01:04:12.500 Yeah, absolutely.

01:04:13.340 Well, even the word fetish goes around.

01:04:16.180 You know, the origin of the word fetish is that it refers to a religious taboo,

01:04:21.520 like an object of religious worship.

01:04:23.340 Not in true religion, but in, like, a pagan cult type thing.

01:04:27.000 So, it would seem to me not surprising that these guys who are willing to risk their ability to evade jail

01:04:35.280 so they can download some more glittering images would get into a little idolatry.

01:04:39.880 I think, I forget where I read this years ago, that maybe it was in the American mind,

01:04:45.940 that porn is obviously a type of liturgy.

01:04:49.380 It's a type of religious ritual.

01:04:52.560 I think so.

01:04:53.240 I agree with you.

01:04:54.000 To even—wow.

01:04:55.720 How degraded do you have to be even just to spend your time doing that?

01:05:04.740 I know.

01:05:05.860 I know.

01:05:06.380 Like, you don't get all that much time.

01:05:08.200 You're going to die at some point.

01:05:09.540 You know, you have a limited amount of time on earth.

01:05:11.820 You say, that's how I'm going to spend my time.

01:05:14.680 That is so—my friend Drew Klavan has a line.

01:05:17.240 He says, sin would be really, really funny if not for all the suffering.

01:05:21.620 And that is—I don't want to laugh at it because it speaks to something that's very sick.

01:05:28.540 That is so funny.

01:05:30.000 That is such a funny thing that they do.

01:05:31.900 Yeah, yeah.

01:05:33.020 Minus all the suffering.

01:05:34.100 Absolutely.

01:05:34.960 Yeah, no, it's unbelievable how a 50-year-old man—yeah, when you think about it, a 50-year-old man

01:05:41.100 is talking to a fake 11-year-old girl controlled by a 25-year-old woman and, you know, some fat 23-year-old guy

01:05:48.840 and c*** to that, to the idea that it's all real.

01:05:52.980 It's—yeah, it's unbelievable.

01:05:54.560 Like, we think—like, we always say to ourselves, too, like, we're driving to a pedo's house.

01:05:58.820 We sometimes ask, like, what do you think he's doing right now?

01:06:01.040 He has no idea.

01:06:02.600 We're on a 15-hour drive to, like, South Dakota right now about to go get him.

01:06:07.400 And, yeah, they just have—they just—I don't know.

01:06:11.560 It's all absurd.

01:06:13.660 Yes.

01:06:14.800 I guess that's what it's all about, though.

01:06:16.820 You mentioned this guy who's wearing a satanic symbol.

01:06:19.100 You say, no, I'm not a satanist.

01:06:20.720 No, no, I'm not.

01:06:21.420 No, no, I'm not.

01:06:22.360 I just—I'm one with the earth, man.

01:06:24.420 Or, no, I'm just looking at porn.

01:06:26.540 Or, I'm just—

01:06:26.840 You should be one with the earth buried under a bed.

01:06:29.500 Like—

01:06:29.820 He might soon be.

01:06:31.600 One can wish.

01:06:32.280 But, like, they—I guess that's one of the marks of the devil, is not just the spooky,

01:06:41.720 you know, evil stuff and rotting eggs or something, but that it's so grotesque.

01:06:46.460 It's—there's something so just out of proportion and shape.

01:06:50.620 I don't know.

01:06:51.120 That—what you've just described with the cell phone screen is—that might be the weirdest

01:06:58.100 thing you've told me all day.

01:06:59.660 Yeah.

01:06:59.940 Yeah, because it's just weird in any context, whether it's a pedo or, like, you know, anybody—like,

01:07:06.820 some hot, hot woman.

01:07:08.080 Like, it's just disgusting.

01:07:09.760 On that disgusting note—no, there's one more question I have to ask you before I let

01:07:13.300 you go.

01:07:14.600 We've talked about all the guys you've caught.

01:07:16.180 Yeah.

01:07:16.400 You've gotten, and they go to jail, and you find out they've committed way more crimes.

01:07:20.600 How many people get away?

01:07:22.920 So, let me just use an example.

01:07:26.540 So, this trip—I'll just use an example.

01:07:30.520 This trip, so far, we're in the middle of one.

01:07:33.360 So, after we bolt out of here, we're going to go up to Evansville, Indiana, and hopefully

01:07:37.500 get two people near there.

01:07:39.860 So, this trip, so far, two have been arrested.

01:07:42.380 The guy in Georgia was not arrested yesterday, but the guy in Florida and the guy in Louisiana

01:07:48.800 were arrested.

01:07:49.840 The first guy in San Antonio who was giving the—to—or wanted to give a—to a five-year-old,

01:07:56.520 the cops arrest him.

01:07:58.020 Well, I didn't—sorry, they didn't arrest him.

01:07:59.540 They detained him, took him to the station.

01:08:01.600 Detectives interviewed us.

01:08:02.760 Everybody was on board with wanting the predator arrested, and then the DA comes, absolutely

01:08:08.800 not.

01:08:11.420 Was it one of these Soros DA type things?

01:08:13.680 Yes.

01:08:14.220 And then, also in Las Vegas, like, we had the—arrested in Las Vegas.

01:08:18.200 But, you know, even a Soros DA can't say 50,000 child porn images.

01:08:22.540 Like, you know—

01:08:23.160 The first 49, you get a pass.

01:08:24.460 Right, right.

01:08:25.320 Yeah, there was a limit on that, for sure.

01:08:27.180 But we had another guy in Las Vegas recently, he admitted to receiving all this child porn

01:08:33.360 to talking to countless 12-year-old girls that we were not controlling and stuff.

01:08:38.120 And, I mean, I'm sure—very rarely do they admit to molesting real kids, but, you know,

01:08:41.500 we can get, like, talking to other minors of child porn out of them.

01:08:44.560 But he admits all this, and the cop comes.

01:08:48.660 He's like, you know, he's like—he's just—he comes, he pulls me aside.

01:08:52.220 He's like, Alex, I'm really sorry.

01:08:54.220 I was on the phone with the prosecutor, and they said, absolutely, the f*** not.

01:08:58.380 And, you know, and, you know, he hangs up.

01:09:01.040 He's like, we're working on this stuff.

01:09:02.220 He's like—

01:09:03.220 What's the argument?

01:09:03.920 Why not?

01:09:04.520 They're overloaded with—they don't have time?

01:09:07.380 I don't know.

01:09:08.300 I don't know.

01:09:09.000 Or they don't want to?

01:09:09.480 I guess because we were civilians.

01:09:10.800 It's really weird.

01:09:11.620 So we run into that a lot in big cities.

01:09:13.460 But I'd say in small towns, like—in small towns, we absolutely get way more arrests

01:09:18.560 than we don't get arrested.

01:09:19.340 So is that a risk, though, that your work could compromise work that law enforcement's

01:09:24.880 already doing, or no?

01:09:26.400 Is that just an excuse for law enforcement?

01:09:27.860 No, because out of the hundreds we've done, I think only 10 have been—we're currently

01:09:33.480 being investigated by law enforcement.

01:09:35.360 So even this guy who was out on bond—you can watch his video.

01:09:38.140 Just type in Predator Poachers Converse, like the Converse shoes on Rumble.

01:09:41.480 You'll find it.

01:09:42.680 He was out on bond for child pornography.

01:09:45.340 We didn't catch him.

01:09:46.120 Just, you know, the feds did or whatever.

01:09:47.840 He was out on bond for child pornography.

01:09:48.840 He hits up our 14-year-old male decoy.

01:09:52.080 And, you know, so we go to his house.

01:09:54.000 We confront about the messages.

01:09:55.260 And he admits to having infant pornography on his phone.

01:09:58.520 And, you know, he gets caught up and arrested again.

01:10:02.040 So, yeah, no.

01:10:03.600 So even when law enforcement's already on them, it typically just adds more shit to their rap

01:10:08.260 sheet.

01:10:09.260 Wow.

01:10:10.000 So I would be remiss if I didn't ask, how do parents protect their kids?

01:10:14.820 Well, I mean, I was protected as a kid because I was an ugly, fat little chubster.

01:10:23.040 So, like, not many people were after seventh grade Alex.

01:10:26.040 But in all seriousness, I mean, I think, first of all, there's no perfect solution to everything.

01:10:32.800 There's always a risk with everything.

01:10:33.840 But I still don't think be paranoid because that's letting them win.

01:10:36.840 But I truly think the best way is hand your sons a football or a basketball or a baseball

01:10:43.440 if they're into that stuff.

01:10:44.640 You know, whatever.

01:10:45.440 Or just put your girl in theater class or whatever.

01:10:51.640 But, you know, it's the same thing.

01:10:54.140 Like, we, of course, blame the robbers and the rapists for crimes they commit.

01:10:58.300 But if your gate's unlocked to your house and your door's open, yeah, it's still the

01:11:01.960 robber's fault they shouldn't be doing it.

01:11:03.160 But, like, you know, you could also lock the door.

01:11:05.620 So I think just hand your kids a football or a basketball.

01:11:08.640 I didn't get my first phone or PlayStation, first smartphone or PlayStation until I was in

01:11:12.720 eighth grade.

01:11:13.220 Like, hand your kids, make your kids go play sports.

01:11:16.500 Two birds, one stone.

01:11:17.360 Kids are sitting down too much anyway.

01:11:18.840 Go have them run or something.

01:11:20.300 Right.

01:11:20.640 I seriously think that.

01:11:21.460 It does seem to me that today, even if it were different in the past before technology

01:11:26.360 was so advanced, if you give your kid a smartphone today without, really, period, but certainly

01:11:33.620 without any kind of limits on it, you're just handing them a portal to hell.

01:11:36.900 Yes.

01:11:37.420 I can't even imagine.

01:11:38.800 Easy for me to say because my kids are still young.

01:11:40.720 But as far as I'm concerned, I don't want my kid to get his first phone until he's like

01:11:45.240 36, you know?

01:11:46.440 Like, I don't, maybe, maybe 18 we can start talking.

01:11:49.020 Yeah, yeah.

01:11:50.700 Because, you know, it's not like, occasionally I would borrow my mother's phone when I was

01:11:55.100 in eighth grade or early high school.

01:11:57.920 But I didn't, you know, there was like, I could play Snake or Tetris maybe if I was

01:12:03.080 lucky on, you know, this wasn't like you get pedos just beaming in from outer space just

01:12:08.320 trying to, with cameras on the phone, you know, it's just completely a different world.

01:12:13.140 Yeah.

01:12:13.420 Oh, I mean, like, even me, like, in seventh grade, you know, I joke that no pedos would

01:12:19.720 want it, whatever.

01:12:20.440 Like, I was in a group chat on kick in seventh grade.

01:12:22.820 What I thought was like a seventh grade girl hit me up saying, oh, show me your d**k.

01:12:25.800 And I'm like, oh, oh, what, what?

01:12:27.580 But looking back on it, it was probably an adult guy asking for that.

01:12:30.300 So, I mean, yeah.

01:12:32.660 So, I mean, it's that common.

01:12:34.040 But again, I wasn't on technology much as a kid.

01:12:36.300 Like, I was always outside playing sports and having the time of my life.

01:12:40.000 Good bit of advice to end on.

01:12:42.880 Alex, this was deeply unpleasant.

01:12:45.540 Yes.

01:12:46.020 You are not deeply unpleasant.

01:12:47.680 You are very pleasant and have done some great work.

01:12:51.580 I don't want to have to think about this.

01:12:53.600 Right.

01:12:53.900 You will be thinking about it because it's your job.

01:12:56.180 But best of luck in your endeavors and hope you nab all sorts of terrible bad guys.

01:13:01.080 Best of luck to you, too.

01:13:02.220 Alex, thank you very much.

01:13:03.340 Thank you so much.

01:13:04.020 Thank you.

01:13:05.220 We'll see you next time.

01:13:06.040 Thank you.

The Michael Knowles Show - January 06, 2024

Michael & The Pedophile Hunter

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