The Michael Knowles Show - Michael & The Trans Widow

00:00:00.000 I had forgotten about being pushed down the stairs, the stuff that he tried to get me to do in the bedroom, that sexual abuse, trying to coerce me into acting like we're lesbians, him dressing up as a woman.

00:00:12.720 In 2010, the kids were ordered and told they could no longer call their father dad.

00:00:17.520 When we hear about transgenderism, which these days would appear to be all the time, it's almost always from the perspective of the transgender person, the person who feels that he is the opposite sex, what it means to be liberated from the shackles of oppression or whatever.

00:00:44.040 Sometimes we hear about transgenderism from the perspective of a child, though in that case it's also often ostensibly from the perspective of a transgender person, the trans child who is coming to grips with his true identity and transitioning.

00:01:01.120 There is one group of people whose perspective we never hear about when we talk about transgenderism, and that would be the women who are abandoned by their husbands, husbands who leave their families to pursue the transgender identity.

00:01:23.940 I am joined by one such trans widow, Tracy Shannon.

00:01:29.320 Tracy, thank you for being here.

00:01:30.720 Thank you for having me.

00:01:32.340 Tracy, let's just start from the beginning.

00:01:35.480 What happened?

00:01:37.900 I guess if we're starting from the beginning, we'd have to go back to early in my marriage to my first husband, and it became apparent that he had an issue with cross-dressing.

00:01:49.080 Tracy, so at some point, right after the birth of our first child, my baby was in the hospital, and my husband came to see us and informed me that he had an issue with cross-dressing,

00:02:05.960 and that it was more than just what I had noticed in the first four years of our marriage, occasionally finding a piece, article of clothing missing, you know, that was mine, and in his possession,

00:02:20.120 or walking in on him, doing his fingernails or shaving and being in a state of arousal while shaving, which is totally normal for women, right?

00:02:30.100 Like, no.

00:02:31.480 So it was more than that, he said, that he had had the issue with cross-dressing going all the way back to when he was a teenager, when he would borrow items of his mother's without her knowing and try them on.

00:02:44.880 So at that point, I said, well, we should go get counseling, wanting to save our marriage, and I didn't know it, but he was already seeing a counselor, and that would be the counselor that we would go to.

00:02:59.420 So she...

00:03:02.240 Did he tell you at this point, I'm seeing a counselor, and we should go talk to this person to get... No.

00:03:08.460 No. I had no idea he had seen a counselor.

00:03:11.980 So...

00:03:12.420 So you went into the counseling with this doctor without knowing that they already had a relationship.

00:03:18.820 Right.

00:03:19.440 Okay.

00:03:19.980 And I thought our purpose was to save our marriage, and in my mind, that meant we would come to the natural conversation,

00:03:29.420 conclusion that this was hurtful to me, that he was cross-dressing, and that it was damaging our marriage, and that he would be, you know, find a way to stop.

00:03:38.460 I was given all these excuses for why he might cross-dress, and none of them were that he felt like he was a woman, by the way, but usually they were all my fault, according to him.

00:03:50.640 So I thought we were going to get marriage counseling, and I thought the natural conclusion would be that he would stop cross-dressing.

00:03:59.220 But instead, when we talked to the therapist, she told me that I was closed-minded because I wasn't on board with all of the cross-dressing.

00:04:08.720 And she suggested that he be able to go out with these men on their cross-dressing field trips and dinners on the weekends and the evenings, and without my knowledge.

00:04:21.660 And I wouldn't have to know where he was going, but he would just tell me something, and it would be out of sight, out of mind.

00:04:28.400 If I didn't know about it, it shouldn't bother me, and that he could have a P.O. box, even, where he would get catalogs where he could order female clothes,

00:04:37.620 and he would, you know, just hide all that stuff from me, and I'd never have to know about it.

00:04:42.600 And because I wasn't okay with that, I was closed-minded.

00:04:45.840 I hope that this marriage counselor has had her license revoked.

00:04:52.420 I don't know if they have licenses.

00:04:54.740 Has anyone ever said the key to a happy marriage is deception, not knowing where your spouse is,

00:05:02.020 the pursuit of bizarre sexual fetishes that make the other person uncomfortable?

00:05:06.460 Has anyone ever in history said that until five minutes ago?

00:05:10.260 Well, this was in 1998.

00:05:12.560 And so apparently this therapist who actually taught a class for many years in Houston about how to have a long and lasting relationship,

00:05:21.800 she also told me that I must be a lesbian because I had fallen in love with a man that had this so-called inner feminine side to him,

00:05:34.400 which I didn't know anything about except for the fact that he borrowed my bra when he went on a business trip one time,

00:05:41.660 or I caught him, you know, applying nails or shaving a couple times.

00:05:46.400 But I just didn't buy into that there's this inner female or feminine side that he needed to express to be able to relax.

00:05:56.300 So before that, I was closed-minded, and I must be a lesbian because obviously I fell in love with him and married him,

00:06:02.160 so therefore I'm a lesbian.

00:06:03.320 There is so much to unpack on the premises even of what a lesbian would even be if you could be attracted to a man,

00:06:13.400 someone who looks exactly like a man, but on some weird, deep, new age kind of level is really a woman or whatever.

00:06:20.200 But you gave a simpler explanation earlier.

00:06:23.420 I don't want to get too graphic, I guess.

00:06:26.320 But you say you walk in on your husband, he's cross-dressing, and he's in a state of arousal.

00:06:31.080 So all of these explanations as to why he's cross-dressing, you say that he blamed you for this.

00:06:37.120 I guess now people would say that he's secretly a woman.

00:06:40.260 But it would appear to me in my untutored view of things, you got the answer, which is it's a sexual fetish.

00:06:47.700 And he was aroused by the thought of being a woman or wearing women's clothing.

00:06:52.800 And so, I don't know, some guys like legs, and I guess this guy likes putting on women's clothing.

00:06:58.160 But it's a fetish.

00:07:00.200 It's a kind of base sexual desire.

00:07:02.700 Right.

00:07:03.140 I always felt instinctively that it was a type of infidelity,

00:07:08.080 that there was this elusive other woman he was creating to spend time alone with,

00:07:12.760 and that this was hampering our intimacy and our marriage.

00:07:16.960 But in fact, it's even worse.

00:07:19.200 You know, this particular therapist, you asked about what's she doing now.

00:07:22.420 Well, now she's written a book to help parents transition their children.

00:07:26.440 It's a confusing topic.

00:07:28.380 And obviously, you've gone through it so personally and so with such trauma.

00:07:32.480 But you go to the counseling, this woman takes your husband's side and says,

00:07:39.360 no, you've got to be open-minded and let him go gallivant with the boys dressed up in high heels

00:07:43.080 and have his own P.O. box and basically choose his sexual fetish over your marriage.

00:07:50.240 Then what?

00:07:51.180 It's worse than that.

00:07:52.380 She actually wrote him the letter to transition while we were married.

00:07:57.660 And this was early on in our marriage.

00:07:59.920 We were married for a total of 15 years.

00:08:01.660 This was in the fourth year of our marriage.

00:08:04.000 So at this time, she wrote the letter for him to transition.

00:08:07.720 And he then got on hormone therapy and started to develop little breasts while we were married.

00:08:14.840 I was told the reason for the breast development was that he was taking OCD medication

00:08:21.080 to help him not want to cross-dress.

00:08:23.440 So I actually felt sorry for him that he was developing these breast buds that were embarrassing,

00:08:28.980 that he would wear a T-shirt when we went to the public swimming pool with our kids.

00:08:35.760 I mean, I felt sorry for him.

00:08:38.260 And I was trying to just be a loving wife.

00:08:42.820 And it affected things, you know, I feel very deceived that he was having this lesbian fantasy

00:08:52.440 and growing these breasts while we were married and having intimate relations.

00:08:58.160 I think that totally undermines the idea of consent that is so popularized by, you know,

00:09:05.700 used by the left to onboard all these other things that we don't agree to as Christians and conservatives,

00:09:14.380 especially when they're talking about our kids.

00:09:16.260 Well, you know, you talk about this term trans widow.

00:09:22.440 And I think people lose parents.

00:09:24.740 And it's hard to lose a parent when you're young.

00:09:27.000 But it happens.

00:09:28.280 And there's a kind of a comfort in knowing that person is gone.

00:09:33.300 And there's a finality to it.

00:09:35.020 There's a closure to it, even if it's painful.

00:09:38.840 Wives lose their husbands and they die.

00:09:41.520 It's sad, but there is a finality to it and you can grieve it.

00:09:44.960 But in this case, the person is still there.

00:09:49.920 They just deny who they are.

00:09:52.420 And so you have all the downside of it with none of the comfort, even with this question of infidelity.

00:10:00.940 If your husband had just been having an affair, it's ugly, nasty, terrible, you could grieve it.

00:10:07.260 This seems particularly insidious because the person he's having an affair with,

00:10:12.060 the other woman is just a version of himself.

00:10:17.840 It's so much darker.

00:10:19.280 And there's this ambiguous grief that the kids have to process and that the wife has to process.

00:10:30.060 Losing the person you've known for years and the only father that the kids have ever known.

00:10:37.740 And not only does the outward appearance change, but their behavior, their interests change.

00:10:44.100 My son, my oldest, had bought my husband, ex-husband, a book when we were still married, when he was 10 years old.

00:10:52.860 It was called The Dangerous Book for Boys.

00:10:54.920 It's a big red book, hard cover, and it has all kinds of activities for a father and son to do together.

00:11:01.880 And they did one activity.

00:11:04.100 I think it was making paper airplanes, one time.

00:11:07.980 And after that, it just went on a shelf and collected dust and never to be picked up again by my then-husband, by his father.

00:11:17.980 And it had a nice note in the front that my son had written about how he wanted to do all these things with him,

00:11:24.520 and he was really looking forward to it.

00:11:26.420 But instead, his father would become a fake woman and would lose interest in doing all those boy things with him.

00:11:33.480 And who would he do those boy things with after that?

00:11:36.340 Who would do the father-son things with him?

00:11:38.660 People don't ever hear about the heartbreaking reality or the many nights that my children cried themselves to sleep,

00:11:47.460 and I had to get up out of bed and go comfort them because they missed their father.

00:11:52.160 And although they did see him dressed as a woman, it's not the same.

00:11:57.540 There was no funeral to say goodbye to the father.

00:12:00.460 There's no sympathy for me as a trans widow.

00:12:05.000 There's instead, when I told someone that my husband was transitioning and that was what caused the end of our marriage,

00:12:13.820 they would say to me, and they still say today, even this morning, a woman said to me something similar.

00:12:19.700 Well, at least he can be happy now.

00:12:22.420 Or no, I'm sorry, she.

00:12:24.980 At least she can be happy now.

00:12:27.140 And how did it affect her and her family?

00:12:31.400 And, I mean, people feel like they have to obey this ideology,

00:12:36.000 even when the person we're talking about is not around, that they're going to respect these pronouns.

00:12:42.700 It's just so weird brainwashing that's overcome America to the degree that we have no empathy for the people that we should be having empathy for.

00:12:53.340 We're told to feel sorry for the person who's cross-dressing their ass off or the fetishist,

00:13:00.540 the person who's, you know, doing this transition.

00:13:04.300 But no one's even talking about what's happening to the kids in this, what they're missing, and what happens to the women.

00:13:11.940 My ex had a very good six-figure salary when he left.

00:13:16.940 It's even better now.

00:13:18.400 So contrary to what they say, these guys are not all poor.

00:13:23.920 I think you recognize that Deirdre McCloskey is not poor.

00:13:28.800 Yes, this professor, I was supposed to debate this professor on gender, and he identifies as a woman.

00:13:34.960 He's an economist, but he has multiple degrees from Harvard, very successful, affluent by all measures.

00:13:43.140 We're supposed to feel sorry for them because they just have a hard time with a career and all that, because they're bigoted Americans.

00:13:49.900 But that's really not the case.

00:13:51.320 My ex has a good career.

00:13:52.540 So there are many of the people that he's friends with that came and testified in our divorce case that they were great parents

00:14:01.300 and that he was a great parent even though they spent no time, no time around him.

00:14:07.920 The part that's so hard for me to get is, I guess it keeps coming back to this word fetish,

00:14:13.880 because fetish, the original meaning of fetish refers to an idol, like a religious idol.

00:14:20.780 You know, the pagans have their fetishes, and I guess it still does.

00:14:26.340 You know, this idea that you would put some glittering object, be it a body part or a fantasy or just anything,

00:14:35.640 above reality and above the things that you're supposed to care for the most, to say, okay, I've got a choice here.

00:14:43.020 I can either live up to my marriage vows and be a husband to my wife and be a father to my children,

00:14:49.580 or I can titillate myself by putting on a dress.

00:14:54.320 And to think that when confronted with these irreconcilable choices, you cannot, if you identify as a woman,

00:15:01.800 you cannot be a husband to your wife.

00:15:04.000 That's foreclosed.

00:15:04.800 You cannot be a father to your children if you're going to pretend to be a woman.

00:15:08.080 And they would say, I'm going to choose to titillate myself with the high heels and the skirt over my wife and my kids

00:15:16.680 and any obligation that I might have, and to be celebrated for doing it.

00:15:22.000 Right.

00:15:22.320 And in our case, destroying the family, wrecking the marriage, we had to move out of our family home.

00:15:28.500 You had to move out.

00:15:29.140 He didn't move out.

00:15:30.020 We both ended up moving out, but he had an income.

00:15:33.460 I was a stay-at-home mom for 10 years at that time, so I didn't have a job.

00:15:38.980 And I had homeschooled my kids, so everything had to change for us.

00:15:42.300 We were homeless, so I had to go live with my mom and dad in their house for a couple years

00:15:49.360 while I got on my feet financially because it took time.

00:15:53.220 And the court only initially ordered him to pay $500 a month child support for three kids.

00:15:57.500 So I was trying to make it all come together, and that's part of the father's role, man's role, provider.

00:16:05.060 And to think that now it's just okay that the state will tell you how much you'll provide,

00:16:11.980 and other than that, you don't have to do anything because of the fetish that you wanted to indulge.

00:16:17.160 It's just really insulting to the family.

00:16:20.100 And that society actually thinks this is okay.

00:16:23.660 They think this is okay because kids are supposedly really resilient.

00:16:26.580 Oh, if I hear that phrase, if I never heard that phrase again in my life, it would be too soon.

00:16:31.540 Because, you know, it's only ever used to justify child abuse.

00:16:35.960 It's only ever used to, oh, yes, dad ran off, and, you know, the parents are fighting,

00:16:42.440 and the kid is being trans, and his education is being neglected.

00:16:45.860 Oh, don't worry.

00:16:47.100 Kids are resilient.

00:16:48.540 Well, they're not so resilient.

00:16:50.000 It's had really hard consequences for my children.

00:16:53.900 And I think if you looked at them, you'd think they're doing great,

00:16:57.660 especially considering all the negative things that can happen to children of divorce

00:17:02.840 and children in alternative type of families and everything they've been exposed to,

00:17:08.300 which maybe we'll get into that.

00:17:11.640 But they look like they're doing fine.

00:17:14.160 But it's been a long way.

00:17:16.340 How old are they now?

00:17:16.860 So they're all over 18 now.

00:17:19.340 My youngest with him is 19, and I have a 20-year-old and a 24-year-old.

00:17:26.360 And so between the three of them, there have been six suicide attempts of different degrees

00:17:34.960 of seriousness and one hospitalization in a mental health facility for a pretty good period

00:17:43.060 of time for one.

00:17:44.140 And now our haters would say, that's because I didn't accept this ideology

00:17:51.160 and take my kids to some type of indoctrination, like GLAAD.

00:17:58.180 And in fact, that was one of the things that was brought up,

00:18:00.520 that they wanted me to have to take my kids for re-education.

00:18:05.400 Who wanted that?

00:18:06.280 His lawyers when we first were divorcing.

00:18:08.800 And in fact, when we went to court, the kids were the first time we went to court.

00:18:15.180 So we went twice.

00:18:16.100 Because if you dare tell a transgender no, you're going to get spanked and sued, which

00:18:21.560 is what happened.

00:18:22.240 And I got sued for full custody of my kids a second time after we had already settled

00:18:26.500 the divorce.

00:18:27.620 Because I dared to tell him that you couldn't have your lover spending the night with my

00:18:33.040 kids.

00:18:33.500 You just can't move your lover in.

00:18:35.160 We have a morality clause.

00:18:36.460 It's something that we have in Texas that basically says that...

00:18:39.820 Hold on.

00:18:40.220 I've got to stop you there.

00:18:41.740 This is happening in Texas.

00:18:43.620 Yes.

00:18:44.020 I knew you lived in Texas.

00:18:45.060 Now, this is happening.

00:18:46.160 This whole thing is going on in supposedly the most conservative state in the country?

00:18:50.340 Yes.

00:18:50.700 And originally, we started our divorce in Ohio.

00:18:53.300 And Ohio actually would treat a woman like myself way better.

00:18:56.720 We actually would have got spousal support.

00:18:58.720 Someone like me would get spousal support for life unless we remarried.

00:19:02.420 But in Texas, it's worse.

00:19:03.660 They can walk away with their six-figure income, leave you homeless with hardly any child support

00:19:08.140 while they go right off into the sunset in a skirt.

00:19:11.900 And you have to figure out how you're going to put your life together, pay for daycare,

00:19:16.180 pay for three kids.

00:19:17.640 And you're cut down to half the time with your kids, less than half, because I homeschooled

00:19:22.640 them.

00:19:22.940 So I had them half the time, plus when they were with me, they were in school.

00:19:27.420 So all the time we had together, because they had to go to public school, he got an injunction

00:19:31.860 against me homeschooling for no reason.

00:19:35.080 The homeschooling wasn't even part of the discussion in our divorce pleadings.

00:19:39.960 But at the very end, he asked for it, and he got it.

00:19:42.800 That was in 2010.

00:19:47.580 And in 2010, the kids were ordered to court-ordered therapy, where they were coached on the right

00:19:54.600 pronouns to use for their father, and told they could no longer call their father dad.

00:19:59.320 So the right pronouns, meaning the wrong pronouns.

00:20:02.140 Yeah, the wrong ones, yeah.

00:20:03.080 They had to call their dad she and her, and couldn't call him dad.

00:20:08.020 That's right.

00:20:08.580 And they had to come up with a new name to call him, which I think is probably one of

00:20:12.200 the most heartbreaking things of the whole thing.

00:20:15.480 I mean, they're already feeling ghosted, and now you have professionals with the power of

00:20:20.440 the state behind them, telling them that they can't call their father dad.

00:20:25.620 Eventually, they no longer went along with that.

00:20:28.580 So the kids maintained a relationship with him.

00:20:31.760 I guess they had to, even if they didn't want to, they had to, ordered by the court.

00:20:36.620 Right.

00:20:37.040 And they loved their dad, but they were very confused.

00:20:39.960 And one was really scared when this initially happened to even go with their dad, because

00:20:44.540 of the changes in appearance and the strange people that he was taking the kids around.

00:20:49.580 He's obviously insane.

00:20:51.320 He's just a crazy person, right?

00:20:53.920 A sane person doesn't do this.

00:20:55.680 Well, the root of it is selfishness.

00:20:59.020 And the kids were not a fan.

00:21:02.760 They have different relationships with him between the three.

00:21:05.720 One has none at all, is not interested, the oldest.

00:21:09.460 The middle child maintains a relationship.

00:21:12.360 He's a traditional Catholic.

00:21:14.460 He wants to remain present, to remind his father who he really is, and he continues to

00:21:21.920 pray for him that he will have a complete conversion.

00:21:24.840 And then the youngest is involved with him more than anybody.

00:21:29.480 But part of that is because financially, she can get what she wants from him.

00:21:37.560 Right, okay.

00:21:39.980 So they've got these different degrees of relationship now as adults.

00:21:43.880 But at the time, your ex-husband is involved with someone else, and you said has a lover that

00:21:53.380 he's bringing around.

00:21:55.220 And this person, I assume, is in the community as well?

00:21:59.880 Oh, yeah, an activist in the community as well, like a leading activist in the state of Texas.

00:22:05.500 So this is a man, or this is a woman?

00:22:07.580 It's a woman that has a beard, and has male pattern hair loss, and is fat, and not very

00:22:17.500 attractive.

00:22:18.480 And that's who he left to be with when he initially left.

00:22:23.640 That really did make me feel really bad about myself when that happened.

00:22:31.620 But this was a woman who had her breast amputated, and when she did, she walked around in front

00:22:38.220 of my kids with her shirt off, showing the scars.

00:22:42.000 And she would give herself shots of testosterone in front of the kids, and she also asked the

00:22:49.240 kids to help her with those shots, but they did not do that.

00:22:52.940 And so, yeah, she also threatened to punish them, and they would get spankings if they

00:22:59.980 misgendered my ex-husband, their father.

00:23:05.280 They would be spanked by your ex-husband, I guess, with his whatever.

00:23:15.000 That was a threat.

00:23:15.860 And they would be threatened with spankings if they called their father him and her.

00:23:23.720 It is just so, so unjust.

00:23:30.220 It's just so unjust.

00:23:32.780 And you've got to just sit idly by and watch this happen, because the courts are telling

00:23:38.460 you to do it.

00:23:39.040 And the counselor that you met with was encouraging all of this.

00:23:44.180 So I sort of cut you off.

00:23:45.520 You said this started four years into your marriage.

00:23:48.040 You're married for a total of 15 years, you said?

00:23:52.580 How does it, how do you get from four to 15?

00:23:56.660 There were instances of cross-dressing in there.

00:23:59.640 Then there were times that I thought nothing was happening, and I thought everything was

00:24:04.000 fine.

00:24:04.540 And of course, he was taking the hormones behind my back.

00:24:08.400 I did wonder, as a woman, why we lacked sexual intimacy in our marriage a lot of times.

00:24:17.220 And my answer to that eventually would come at the end of our marriage when I would find

00:24:21.420 out he was secretly on those hormones and that lowered his libido.

00:24:24.900 And so when he wanted to have another baby with me, then he would stop taking the hormones

00:24:31.020 long enough so that he could get me pregnant and so we could have sexual relations.

00:24:35.940 In fact, that's not just me guessing.

00:24:38.080 I read about that in numerous messages between him and another lover he had met online while

00:24:43.620 we were still married.

00:24:46.240 So someone before that one.

00:24:47.640 I assume the hormones don't just affect the sex drive.

00:24:51.500 I assume it affects, I assume it affects sperm, right?

00:24:55.560 Yes.

00:24:55.720 I don't know.

00:24:56.360 I guess I'm just guessing.

00:24:57.400 It's damaging to the sperm.

00:24:59.560 And so at one point, I did have a miscarriage with a pregnancy that the byproducts of pregnancy

00:25:08.220 grew into cancer.

00:25:10.820 And I always wondered if it was because the sperm was, there was something wrong with the

00:25:15.780 sperm.

00:25:16.660 And in fact, when that happened, he's like, he said, I feel like I gave you cancer.

00:25:21.820 And I thought that was a really weird thing to say.

00:25:24.260 So in retrospect, I'm thinking, is it possible?

00:25:28.160 I'm not a scientist.

00:25:29.160 I don't know.

00:25:29.700 I mean, I do know what a woman is.

00:25:31.680 But you're ahead of most scientists.

00:25:33.240 Yeah.

00:25:34.100 But I don't know if that had anything to do with it or not.

00:25:37.900 But he seemed to think it might.

00:25:40.080 He at least said this thing.

00:25:41.280 He said that thing out loud.

00:25:42.620 And so it always made me wonder.

00:25:43.780 And I do recall on our wedding day, I actually had asked him, just joking, hey, he had called

00:25:51.500 me before my bridal brunch.

00:25:53.120 And I said, is there anything you need to tell me, last chance, before we take our vows

00:25:59.960 today?

00:26:00.940 And he was quiet.

00:26:02.940 And I thought, is there something?

00:26:07.320 I was just joking.

00:26:08.620 You know, I was just kidding.

00:26:10.540 And then he said, oh, no, there's nothing.

00:26:11.960 And then years later, he told me that that day, he was going to tell me that he had cross

00:26:17.480 dress in his past, but he was afraid I wouldn't marry him.

00:26:21.520 So it was in his mind.

00:26:24.700 And he just deceived me and thought that I was one day going to accept all this.

00:26:29.360 But in those years, he would cross dress occasionally.

00:26:33.860 I not write openly out in front of me like some of these men do, which is just awful the

00:26:39.640 level of abuse some of the trans widows take with their husbands doing this outlandish stuff

00:26:44.440 and telling the women they just have to deal with it.

00:26:47.560 But I would find out by finding some stashed clothes or a receipt for some clothes that he

00:26:52.760 dressed up in and threw away.

00:26:54.860 Usually I would smell the smell of acetone in the house or in the trash can.

00:26:59.980 And that meant he was playing in nails.

00:27:02.240 So one time when our middle son was still a baby and I was pregnant with my third child,

00:27:14.080 he fashioned himself a pregnancy belly.

00:27:16.800 You've seen like on Jerry Springer or Dr. Phil or something where the men are trying to find

00:27:24.420 out the experience of their wives when they're pregnant.

00:27:27.520 So he tried to pass it off as he's just trying to empathize with me.

00:27:31.100 Now, this is our third baby.

00:27:33.560 So the time to empathize with me for being pregnant passed many years ago.

00:27:38.860 We've done this a few times.

00:27:40.400 But I think he saw this as his last chance maybe to do this.

00:27:44.880 In fact, this was my third pregnancy.

00:27:48.640 So no, fourth pregnancy, third baby.

00:27:50.980 And he added enormous breasts to this thing that he wore.

00:28:00.480 And they were made with water balloons.

00:28:03.440 It was really bothering my oldest son that he was walking around with this thing on

00:28:08.520 and with woman's clothes over top.

00:28:11.340 And he told me, this is how he would be like coercive.

00:28:17.280 He would say things like, I'm trying to help you.

00:28:20.540 I'm going to do all your chores for you.

00:28:23.060 Like I had these assigned chores.

00:28:25.200 And I'm going to do all the housekeeping.

00:28:28.480 You just rest.

00:28:30.100 And he was buzzing around very happy in that thing that he made.

00:28:35.340 And I finally just told him, I just feel like you're cross-dressing.

00:28:39.400 And it's making me really uncomfortable.

00:28:41.560 So I wish you wouldn't do that anymore.

00:28:44.100 And he wasn't willing to give it up.

00:28:46.140 He still kept pressuring me.

00:28:47.180 I need to do this so I can understand you.

00:28:49.000 Just relax.

00:28:49.760 I'm going to take care of everything.

00:28:53.520 Take care of all your responsibilities around here.

00:28:55.540 You can just put your feet up.

00:28:57.600 So my son, who was very disturbed by this, actually went and destroyed that thing with

00:29:01.660 a pair of scissors.

00:29:02.660 Put on it.

00:29:02.960 Drug it out of the drawer and destroyed it because it bothered him seeing his dad like that.

00:29:08.000 So you can only imagine how it felt when he was six years older.

00:29:13.820 His dad decides he's going to become a woman.

00:29:16.440 And he goes and gets giant breast implants and a nose job and grows his hair out long.

00:29:22.840 And he's hanging his bras all around his trashy apartment for my son to see.

00:29:29.460 And whenever he would hug my son, he'd rub his breast up against him.

00:29:34.020 People don't think about what this is like for the boys.

00:29:37.620 They don't think about what that's like at all.

00:29:40.360 I mean, dads have a certain feeling when you give them a hug.

00:29:44.600 And now their dad was soft and his enormous breasts would rub up against them.

00:29:50.140 And that made them really uncomfortable.

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00:31:14.400 Yeah, there's a dream, a recurring dream that sometimes people have when a loved one dies.

00:31:21.020 And the dream is that the person is still there.

00:31:23.620 They just went away.

00:31:24.420 They went to a farm upstate.

00:31:26.280 I don't know.

00:31:26.960 And you see this person again.

00:31:28.960 And what makes the dream so agonizing is that you say, where were you?

00:31:32.600 Where'd you go?

00:31:33.540 Wait, what?

00:31:34.360 I've been, you're still here?

00:31:35.640 Oh, my goodness, you know.

00:31:36.640 And it's a common thing.

00:31:39.420 But it's a dream.

00:31:40.700 Then you wake up and you say, oh, okay, good.

00:31:43.660 But this is a reality that a kid would have to, more so even than a wife, I guess, though

00:31:52.340 a wife too, would have to deal with every day of just, oh, man, I really just turned 13.

00:31:58.900 Just got on the baseball team.

00:32:00.440 Sure would like to have a catch with my dad.

00:32:01.760 Oh, I don't have a dad.

00:32:02.680 Well, I kind of do.

00:32:04.080 But he won't be a dad.

00:32:06.700 And he insists that I not only tolerate that and move on with it and pretend it's not a,

00:32:13.860 but that I celebrate it too.

00:32:15.820 I just can't imagine.

00:32:18.080 Right.

00:32:18.460 When he was with his first lover, she would often try to encourage my son to wear pride

00:32:27.760 bracelets to school and tell him that he needed to join the, it used to be called the Gay

00:32:33.460 Straight Alliance.

00:32:34.740 Yeah, we had one at my school.

00:32:35.920 It's now called the Gender Sexuality Alliance.

00:32:38.780 I think in part because they want to incorporate the gender thing.

00:32:42.800 And who cares about those straights anymore?

00:32:44.620 They serve their purpose.

00:32:45.760 Right.

00:32:46.240 Well, no straight kids are joining that.

00:32:48.180 Of course.

00:32:48.400 You know, so they would make the announcements all the time at school.

00:32:50.840 And my son said, no straight kids are going to that.

00:32:53.580 Yeah.

00:32:54.020 And, but she tried to pressure him to go to that.

00:32:57.740 And my son didn't want to do that.

00:33:01.280 You know, he, he felt like this destroyed his family.

00:33:04.460 And you talk about having a game of pitch with your dad.

00:33:09.220 And that's the kind of thing that my son missed out on.

00:33:12.780 I mean, he was interested in playing baseball.

00:33:15.860 He made the baseball team in high school and he was very proud of himself for that.

00:33:20.280 But when every other kid had a father to come pitch with them, he had nobody.

00:33:25.800 He was embarrassed for his dad to show up.

00:33:27.700 Yeah, of course.

00:33:28.520 And, and, and the, the last answer to that is that we should all start embracing this

00:33:33.720 so that my kid doesn't have to be embarrassed.

00:33:35.620 I'll tell you, I can speak for my kids on this.

00:33:39.040 That's not what they want.

00:33:40.200 They do not want this indoctrination that's going on in the schools.

00:33:44.020 They used to put their heads down and cry when there was an event being planned at school

00:33:49.100 for, you know, father and son or father and daughter.

00:33:53.560 Not because they're jealous about the other kids or they want their dad to be recognized.

00:34:00.040 They're sad because they feel like they don't have a father and they're embarrassed by the

00:34:05.820 one that they had.

00:34:06.940 Yeah.

00:34:07.680 Rightly so, by the way.

00:34:08.800 You know, I'm all for honor your mother and father.

00:34:11.400 I think you actually always owe respect and even love to your parents, even if you got

00:34:15.740 bad parents.

00:34:18.700 It is right to be embarrassed by something that is embarrassing.

00:34:23.400 If your, if your father engages in extremely shameful behavior and very selfish behavior

00:34:30.160 and all the rest of it, it, it would be wrong not to feel some embarrassment.

00:34:35.580 You wouldn't, there'd be something off about you if you didn't feel.

00:34:38.640 Right.

00:34:39.080 And the kids were made fun of when, when the other kids would see their father, why is

00:34:43.500 your dad wearing earrings?

00:34:44.780 Why, why is your dad trying to look like a girl?

00:34:47.360 Well, and other parents would ask me, who is that strange woman that was at soccer practice?

00:34:53.620 And they didn't want to let their kids play with my kids after they knew the truth because,

00:35:00.680 and I don't blame them.

00:35:02.300 You know, I don't blame them because how can you even begin to understand something like

00:35:09.140 that?

00:35:09.580 And knowing what I know, I know it's rooted in fetishism.

00:35:13.360 Yeah, of course.

00:35:14.220 I wouldn't want my kids around that either.

00:35:16.260 So I don't blame them.

00:35:17.500 But it was a sad reality we had to deal with that.

00:35:19.960 But, and I'm being called the bigot, you know, for not wanting to be on board with all this,

00:35:27.160 for not supporting it.

00:35:28.480 I'm accused of being the one who caused this transition.

00:35:33.500 You know, even my ex accused me of causing this transition.

00:35:38.600 Your ex-husband who you, he said that he had been doing this since he was a teenager and

00:35:44.960 he was sneaking around behind your back, he says that you caused the behavior that predates you?

00:35:50.980 Right.

00:35:51.920 It's my fault he transitioned because if I just would have given him another chance,

00:35:56.840 he just, he wouldn't have done it.

00:35:58.460 But he was already doing it.

00:36:00.340 That's the reality.

00:36:01.580 But unfortunately, for a time, my kids believed that.

00:36:05.860 They believed it was my fault.

00:36:07.520 And just like I was supposed to believe while we were married, it was my fault that he cross-dressed

00:36:11.400 because I wasn't doing the right things, you know, wasn't giving him the attention he wanted

00:36:18.380 or doing the sexual things that he wanted.

00:36:21.480 And so, you know, what happened in those 14 years?

00:36:24.500 I told you about the pregnancy belly.

00:36:28.320 There was a time in those, not 14, those 11 years that he, after the birth of our first daughter,

00:36:36.440 she wouldn't take a bottle.

00:36:37.400 So, I was very stressed out with like, I can't even leave the house for more than an hour and a half

00:36:43.480 because she has to have, she has to be breastfed.

00:36:47.480 So, he offered to breastfeed her.

00:36:50.820 Yeah.

00:36:51.680 How did he plan on doing that?

00:36:53.420 That's what I wondered at the time.

00:36:55.240 I wondered like, how could, of course I was not on board with that.

00:37:00.100 That's absurd.

00:37:01.540 And he kept bringing it up, like pressuring me.

00:37:04.580 I said, no, he said, yeah, I can help you.

00:37:06.860 I said, oh, it was always, I'm helping you and I'm trying to understand you.

00:37:09.920 I'm trying to give you a break.

00:37:12.080 I said, no, don't ever bring it up again.

00:37:14.200 He had sent me articles on how men in third world countries were able to lactate.

00:37:19.760 And I'm like, we're not desperate.

00:37:21.340 You know, I'll just, I'll just breastfeed until she's done breastfeeding.

00:37:25.280 It's a short phase of life.

00:37:27.120 Men can, especially if they're pumped with all these chemicals and poisons and things

00:37:32.300 that the modern pro-trans movement pushes, they can produce something.

00:37:36.860 Men have mammary glands.

00:37:37.980 They can produce something.

00:37:38.760 This is in no way established as safe by the FDA or anything like that.

00:37:43.060 I mean, no one knows what this means for the babies.

00:37:47.860 But some men who have gone really far down this rabbit hole with enough shots in them

00:37:53.520 will be able to produce something.

00:37:55.740 This is, I can't imagine, the best for the baby.

00:37:58.620 Certainly not the best for your marriage or for anyone's flourishing.

00:38:02.040 And so you look at them and you say, no, thanks.

00:38:04.040 I'm good.

00:38:04.440 We'll figure it out.

00:38:05.200 Don't bring it up again or I'm divorcing you.

00:38:07.140 That's what I told them.

00:38:07.860 I don't even know how I stayed after we even brought that up.

00:38:12.220 But people need to understand that trans widows, when we're in those relationships,

00:38:17.220 we're dealing with narcissism.

00:38:19.000 We're very gaslighted.

00:38:20.900 Most of us have experienced different forms of abuse, whether it be physical, sexual,

00:38:25.320 emotional, and financial, usually all four of those.

00:38:28.000 So that's why we stay through these absurdities and atrocities.

00:38:33.200 And because you're trying to make it work.

00:38:35.560 Definitely, I mean, to me, divorce is hard enough on children.

00:38:41.400 It definitely has consequences that society doesn't want to talk about anymore since we've

00:38:45.480 normalized the destruction of family.

00:38:47.840 But I also didn't want my kids to be alone with someone who's this unhinged.

00:38:53.700 So I thought I could maybe control this because he loved me and I loved him and we cared about

00:39:00.540 these kids that we could somehow keep it in balance and keep things from deregulation.

00:39:05.560 But I just didn't have that kind of control.

00:39:09.640 You know, there's the Internet where he found all this stuff on.

00:39:12.120 I'm sure I didn't know anything about these types of fetishes, especially regarding men

00:39:19.160 breastfeeding.

00:39:19.820 And that is a form of fetish.

00:39:21.360 Yeah.

00:39:21.640 And now I'm convinced for him it was too.

00:39:24.400 Of course.

00:39:24.640 And he was trying to have that experience with our daughter.

00:39:27.200 And that should have been considered in the custody here.

00:39:31.040 I mean, we used to protect children.

00:39:33.640 Yeah.

00:39:33.820 We used to protect family and honor the truth.

00:39:36.760 And we had some type of way in society of just keeping social norms.

00:39:42.380 But by the time I had gone to court in 2010, that wasn't the case.

00:39:49.680 I mean, before that, a man doing what he was doing.

00:39:52.420 I was in a support group for women whose husbands cross-dressed.

00:39:55.660 It was for Christian women.

00:39:56.600 And only two of those women had their husbands transitioned.

00:40:02.220 And none of the women who were divorced in that support group, none of their women shared

00:40:08.560 custody with their ex.

00:40:09.960 None.

00:40:10.460 This was a landmark case in Texas when he got shared custody of the kids.

00:40:15.420 And that's because things had evolved to such a point in our society that now, and this

00:40:20.540 was a Republican judge too, by the way, now we're not protecting the kids.

00:40:25.460 We're being apathetic.

00:40:29.300 We're pretending like it doesn't matter.

00:40:31.560 But at this point, in 2023, it's even worse.

00:40:35.820 Because if I don't validate that stuff, if I don't agree with it and teach it, I'm the

00:40:40.340 one who's going to lose my kids.

00:40:42.060 But in fact, even in 2010, I was asked in court, how will you, as a Christian conservative

00:40:49.280 woman, how are you going to co-parent with this lovely trans woman over here?

00:40:55.460 Not only is transgenderism accepted as true, an absurd ideology is accepted as true, but

00:41:02.860 transgender-identifying people are now a protected class.

00:41:06.120 So now they are the chief victims.

00:41:08.420 It's their well-being, supposed well-being that the courts are primarily concerned with,

00:41:13.340 even in Texas, even with a Republican judge, with Republicans like that who needs Democrats.

00:41:17.300 Right, and I would remind people that in Texas, we have a trifecta Republican leadership.

00:41:24.460 We have majority Republicans in both chambers, the House and the Senate, a Republican governor,

00:41:31.040 Republican lieutenant governor, Republican attorney general.

00:41:35.500 And in Texas, you can, a man who is married, can go change his documents legally to reflect

00:41:45.720 a lie that he is a woman.

00:41:47.640 And that is what my ex did before we went to court.

00:41:51.120 Before we went to court, his, he was legally a woman.

00:41:54.880 So I was now divorcing a woman on paper.

00:41:58.280 So you're a lesbian?

00:41:59.680 Right, a paper lesbian.

00:42:01.000 A paper lesbian.

00:42:01.760 According to the courts, you're a lesbian.

00:42:03.040 Yeah.

00:42:04.820 So I guess the therapist is right after all.

00:42:07.600 She had a point.

00:42:09.500 When we all go through the looking glass, I guess she had a point.

00:42:12.260 So your husband, you find that he's getting into all this kind of weird porn stuff.

00:42:21.060 He is, as you, I mean, it's hideous, like a horrifying way to put it, but he would have

00:42:27.300 been using your daughter as an instrument for his sexual gratification.

00:42:33.040 Had you allowed this breastfeeding insanity to go on?

00:42:37.460 He was already wearing items of her, like some of her accessories, her like bows.

00:42:43.840 I mean, this was a, this is a baby girl.

00:42:45.920 When we were divorced, she was five years old.

00:42:48.640 He was already wearing items of her clothing.

00:42:51.380 I couldn't stay and let him violate her the way that I had been violated.

00:42:57.620 Right.

00:42:57.920 You know, putting on clothes out of my closet and realizing they're stretched out.

00:43:02.300 Realizing my high heel boots are stretched out and my panties stretched out because he

00:43:10.320 had been in them.

00:43:11.020 I guess the disconnect, nothing surprises me anymore.

00:43:15.980 This still does a little bit.

00:43:17.600 Had you walked in on your husband with another woman, you would have every right to kick him

00:43:24.700 to the curb, you know, scream at him, yell at him.

00:43:27.720 He's the bad guy.

00:43:28.340 You're the good guy.

00:43:29.440 Had you walked in on your husband looking at porn, which is increasingly, I think, becoming

00:43:34.980 prominent in these cases of transition.

00:43:37.360 In fact, the guys behind the Matrix movies, the Wachowski brothers, who are now the Wachowski

00:43:43.380 sisters, well, one of them admitted that it was pornography that made him start to transition,

00:43:48.900 that he got down this rabbit hole of porn and he started to fantasize about being a woman

00:43:53.060 and now he's chopped himself up and looks like a woman.

00:43:56.180 So we know this happens.

00:43:57.200 If you walked in on your husband looking at porn, I think even today you would still be

00:44:02.380 considered in the right to yell at him and say, you're the bad guy, I'm the good guy,

00:44:05.760 get some help, quit doing this.

00:44:07.060 This is absolutely degenerate, you know, cut it out.

00:44:10.240 But for some reason, because the pornography and the obscenity and all the prurient stuff

00:44:16.980 has to do with him pretending to be a woman, it's okay.

00:44:24.280 I guess so.

00:44:25.200 I mean, my ex actually had told me even fairly recently when I asked that he never watched

00:44:31.180 porn while we were married and still does not to this day and has not ever.

00:44:35.920 That's his claim when I asked about it, because my daughter told me that he watched porn in

00:44:40.420 front of her.

00:44:41.580 So I went back and asked again to my daughter.

00:44:44.540 Your dad said this did not happen.

00:44:47.100 Did this happen?

00:44:48.020 She said, oh, yes, it did happen.

00:44:49.360 He watched porn.

00:44:50.600 She would sleep on the couch when she had visitation with him.

00:44:54.160 And he would be in there watching pornographic videos in front of her, according to her.

00:45:00.880 So.

00:45:02.220 Who do you believe?

00:45:03.260 I think I have my answer.

00:45:04.660 I don't know.

00:45:04.840 I believe my daughter, of course.

00:45:06.580 Yeah.

00:45:07.320 Especially after years of being lied to.

00:45:09.160 And just knowing what I know now about the autogonophiles, which are men who are aroused by the idea of

00:45:17.960 themselves being women, knowing a lot about that and seeing what I've seen online, which

00:45:23.180 wasn't as prevalent back then as it is now.

00:45:26.360 I believe her.

00:45:28.300 I believe that he, once again, this is another lie.

00:45:30.520 But it's just insane that society is accepting all this and they don't recognize the experiences

00:45:38.400 of these children that they're going through.

00:45:40.640 My children were exposed to sex toys at their father's house that they just found lying about

00:45:47.520 the house, like openly on the bed.

00:45:49.720 He had two of my children sleeping with him and his lover and in their bed that they shared.

00:45:56.340 That is entirely inappropriate.

00:45:58.000 And in addition to that, this lover threatened to kill my kids, the female, the male on testosterone,

00:46:07.700 threatened to kill my kids, threatened to kill my ex-husband and threatened to kill me.

00:46:12.740 And the kids were telling their therapist about the court ordered therapist.

00:46:19.800 They told her about abuse and neglect at his house.

00:46:23.640 They weren't telling me all this all the time because they were protecting me.

00:46:28.000 Because I already was so devastated by everything that had happened.

00:46:31.960 But they told her and she did nothing about it until we went to court the second time

00:46:37.000 when he decided to sue me for having the audacity to tell him,

00:46:39.940 you can't have your lover move in and sleep over with the kids.

00:46:45.300 Yeah.

00:46:45.500 And sleep with them, by the way.

00:46:47.300 So for doing that, I was sued for full custody of the kids.

00:46:51.300 And when I fought back, I did win.

00:46:54.200 And I got that abusive person removed from their lives.

00:46:58.520 But at the same time, I had to depose this therapist to get it on the record about the abuse.

00:47:05.040 But I shouldn't have had to do that.

00:47:07.260 We should have had common sense to protect the children the first time in court.

00:47:11.660 I don't know much about therapists.

00:47:14.180 The little I know is that I thought they had an obligation to report if there were...

00:47:18.300 They do.

00:47:19.540 Everybody in Texas, by the way, is a mandated reporter.

00:47:22.420 Everybody.

00:47:23.240 So anybody that knows abuse has to report.

00:47:25.820 Not just a teacher, not just a therapist.

00:47:27.860 But she definitely had a duty to report.

00:47:29.780 So why didn't she do it?

00:47:31.280 When she was asked on the record why she didn't do it,

00:47:34.080 she didn't think that CPS would do anything in Harris County, where I live.

00:47:39.040 So what?

00:47:40.040 So what?

00:47:40.580 That absolves you of your...

00:47:41.300 That doesn't negate your...

00:47:41.920 Yeah.

00:47:42.160 Oh, so you don't want to spend the five minutes of your day?

00:47:45.260 So the kids had no one to fight for them.

00:47:47.680 I feel really bad that I didn't or felt that I couldn't do more for them

00:47:53.380 because I didn't know about it.

00:47:55.160 I didn't have money to go to court every time something went wrong.

00:47:58.900 But when I finally did do something, what I feared would happen would happen.

00:48:03.540 He came with well-funded lawyers who he didn't have to pay.

00:48:07.340 These were activist lawyers with a transgender activist law firm that took up his cause

00:48:14.000 because they wanted to defend parental rights of a transgender father.

00:48:22.900 So I was at a meeting with the court ad litem for the kids,

00:48:31.680 and a courier came in with a check from a donor to give her.

00:48:37.340 From one of these activist organizations, she got paid by them.

00:48:41.840 So they asked me, are you okay with this?

00:48:44.680 I'm like, well, I mean, what am I going to do that, you know, you're getting paid by his half.

00:48:52.180 I had to pay my half out of my pocket.

00:48:54.520 His half was being paid by an activist.

00:48:58.020 So it was just all very lopsided.

00:49:02.220 Fortunately, the ad litem was very freaked out by everything that was going on.

00:49:06.760 And she, despite being liberal herself, was actually freaked out and was on the side of the children.

00:49:14.700 She actually did have a heart for children.

00:49:17.380 In an earlier age, not that long ago, decades ago,

00:49:22.260 people who would engage in this kind of behavior would be locked up in padded cells

00:49:27.260 and told the truth and put into counseling to reconcile their fantasies with reality.

00:49:34.360 And today, we're not quite at the point where you're being put in a padded cell,

00:49:38.600 but the legal system is pretty tilted against you and against your children

00:49:43.220 and against any person who would speak the truth.

00:49:47.020 I mean, my relationship to this issue is not even in the same stratosphere of what you're talking about.

00:49:55.240 I just say things on camera.

00:49:57.940 And I found out just a couple of days ago that I will be permanently removed from YouTube,

00:50:05.920 which is obviously the largest video sharing platform in the world,

00:50:09.140 owned by Google, which controls the flow of information around the entire Internet and the public square.

00:50:13.580 I will be nuked.

00:50:15.200 I will be personally banned forever if I persist in saying that these men are men

00:50:24.120 and refer to them as he and him.

00:50:26.960 I'm not the only one, obviously.

00:50:29.340 They're going after anyone with a sizable platform who says this.

00:50:34.820 Which means that, for all intents and purposes,

00:50:38.260 if the people who control public discourse in a republic where you govern yourself by speaking to one another,

00:50:46.440 if they are saying, you have to believe in transgenderism or you cannot speak about the issue,

00:50:52.880 then that's it.

00:50:54.700 That means transgenderism is established in law and you're just out of luck.

00:50:58.540 And the actual victims of this, because I'm the guy who speaks on camera,

00:51:01.880 the people who actually have to deal with the day-to-day of what this means for your family,

00:51:04.720 for your children, for everything.

00:51:06.720 Yeah, you're out.

00:51:07.340 Sorry.

00:51:09.180 I mean, it didn't even have to be codified into law to be enforced by the courts,

00:51:14.660 because it already is.

00:51:15.560 Like in my case, when I went to court, every day was a battle over pronoun usage,

00:51:21.040 trying to get me to use the preferred pronouns of my ex-husband.

00:51:26.400 And with the threat that I could be held in contempt.

00:51:29.740 Luckily, the judge didn't want to go along with those requests.

00:51:32.920 Instead, she asked me on the final day, how do you feel about that?

00:51:37.580 How do you feel about using those pronouns?

00:51:41.980 And I said, well, I think that's very intolerant of them, the people who say that they want tolerance.

00:51:49.160 That's not what they want.

00:51:50.340 Yeah.

00:51:50.700 They don't want tolerance.

00:51:51.740 They want complete submission to their new state religion.

00:51:55.420 And even without codifying it into law, you see where we're at, because we don't have a common morality anymore in our country.

00:52:03.320 Yeah.

00:52:03.460 So this has swooped in in its place, and it's being enforced by, like, corporate corporations and a lot of big money.

00:52:11.380 All the big corporations.

00:52:12.400 Yeah.

00:52:12.680 I mean, in Texas, a father lost custody of his son over this.

00:52:16.860 And he's not the only one.

00:52:18.000 People think it's a one-off, but it's not.

00:52:19.980 The year before, in 2021, on the Senate floor, a mother testified.

00:52:25.920 She was testifying against the bill to stop the transition of minors.

00:52:30.460 She testified that her ex-husband was cut out of her kid's life because he didn't affirm the transition.

00:52:38.280 He didn't affirm it.

00:52:39.180 So he was cut out, just like Jeff Younger.

00:52:41.160 It's right there.

00:52:41.920 It's on video.

00:52:42.800 The transition of the kid, you mean.

00:52:44.580 Right.

00:52:44.880 The minor.

00:52:45.660 Yeah.

00:52:46.100 With surgeries.

00:52:47.000 Her daughter had surgeries.

00:52:48.840 But the—and it's right on—admitted right on tape.

00:52:52.160 I have it on my Rumble because YouTube won't allow it.

00:52:56.000 But the mother's admitting that she had the father completely cut out of her kid's life over not affirming the transition.

00:53:05.080 This was probably a loving father.

00:53:07.660 And those aren't the only cases.

00:53:09.800 People just can't speak out.

00:53:10.980 Just like for years, you weren't hearing from me or women like me because when you're married to these—or married to them, what can you do?

00:53:19.360 But when you divorce them, then you're under the courts.

00:53:25.760 So you might get drugged back in the court, and they'll bring up a video like us talking right now and say, how can she be expected to co-parent?

00:53:33.880 Right.

00:53:33.980 So I couldn't really speak as openly about this until the kids were older.

00:53:38.220 I did before we were out from under our court decree, our divorce decree, because they were old enough.

00:53:46.960 And I actually know that his current spouse would not want our kids.

00:53:52.600 She didn't want any kids.

00:53:53.460 So I felt pretty sure he wasn't going to try to get custody away anymore, but also because I had the assurance that I would beat him in court because we have enough.

00:54:04.760 It was some of the things I shared.

00:54:06.380 Is the current spouse that person who was threatening and sleeping in the bed with your children?

00:54:11.200 No, there was a court injunction to—I got a court order that she couldn't be around the kids anymore.

00:54:17.360 And so he had to follow that, and that relationship ended around the same time that he also got a job in another state outside of Texas, and he moved.

00:54:26.600 So this was good for us because we had less interaction, less corrupting the kids for a while.

00:54:33.140 And he met someone else.

00:54:35.440 He actually married a woman.

00:54:37.760 A regular woman?

00:54:38.780 Well, she identifies as a lesbian, and they win all these, like, female golf championships together.

00:54:47.780 I'm sure he does.

00:54:49.160 Yeah, I mean, he's hitting from the female tees now, and he grew up on a golf course, you know.

00:54:54.520 Wow.

00:54:55.100 Yeah.

00:54:55.460 That's my only chance I ever have at winning any golf tournaments.

00:54:58.440 I mean, I know.

00:55:00.840 So, but, you know, so he's cheating, and, you know, he had his kids help him cheat.

00:55:07.340 On the golf course, I think it was a horrible lesson, having them be caddies.

00:55:13.600 You know, my younger children, when they were visiting him in the summers on their summer breaks, on their mandated visits, caddy for him while he's cheating.

00:55:23.640 Essentially cheating, because it's allowed.

00:55:25.340 Yeah.

00:55:25.920 You mentioned that your son is a traditional Catholic.

00:55:28.660 I am also a mackerel-snapping, you know, traditional papist.

00:55:33.860 And so the Catholics famously say, no divorce.

00:55:37.400 And this has been teaching of the church for 2,000 years.

00:55:39.960 And there is such a thing, however, as annulment.

00:55:43.800 And I think in the popular culture, sometimes people don't really get it.

00:55:46.460 They think it's just Catholic divorce, you know.

00:55:47.980 But it's not, because the difference is annulment asks, was this marriage valid in the first place?

00:55:55.800 And so there are annulment investigations.

00:55:57.760 And one of the things that one looks for in an annulment investigation is, was something concealed?

00:56:03.920 Did the parties enter into this marriage knowing what they were getting into?

00:56:08.020 Or was some really important fact concealed?

00:56:10.320 One such example perhaps might be what your husband concealed from you, that he was cross-dressing.

00:56:16.700 So that would seem to be an exemplary, you know, example of that.

00:56:23.820 Well, that in the Catholic teachings, taking of the hormones, which made him sterile, and trying to prevent a baby would be also another.

00:56:34.640 Right.

00:56:34.940 No, I mean, you could go through a litany of the things that obviously went wrong here.

00:56:39.160 But I guess then it has me wondering, when you got married, you're Christian.

00:56:44.580 You're getting married in, you know, a Christian ceremony, whether it's a nuptial mass or something like that.

00:56:51.000 Is your husband Christian?

00:56:52.500 Does he, do you guys agree on what marriage is?

00:56:54.800 Or are you coming from totally different backgrounds?

00:56:56.560 No, we totally agreed.

00:56:57.460 We actually met in youth group while we were in college.

00:57:00.940 So, and we had, we actually got married at the church that we met at.

00:57:06.400 And our children were in pageants.

00:57:10.020 We actually, we were Methodists.

00:57:11.660 And our kids were in, in this particular church, the one that we got married at is still a conservative Methodist church.

00:57:19.900 It hasn't adopted the gay marriage mindset.

00:57:23.760 It's like the last conservative Methodist church.

00:57:25.400 It might be one of the last ones in Texas.

00:57:28.700 And we are members of another smaller Methodist church, which was also conservative back then.

00:57:34.540 It isn't so much now.

00:57:36.240 But we were active in our church.

00:57:39.340 I was involved with the homeless ministry, the women's club, and he was in the choir in the men's club.

00:57:47.400 And you never would have thought this would be our family, that we were going to experience all of this.

00:57:52.900 We actually lived in this Cape Cod style home with a white picket fence and our three kids and everything looked really perfect.

00:58:01.780 We really, really had a white picket fence and beautiful children.

00:58:08.460 And when he did all this, I just couldn't believe he would do that to our kids.

00:58:15.060 I would just be thinking on my way to work or to drop them off at school or my way from dropping them off at school.

00:58:24.400 How could he do this?

00:58:25.960 How could he just...

00:58:27.800 Throw it all away.

00:58:29.080 Yeah, treat us like trash, basically.

00:58:31.220 Throw it away is the right way to phrase it.

00:58:35.020 I just would picture him setting out trash bags, and those symbolized us.

00:58:40.080 He was just putting us like trash on the curb, leaving us broke and homeless.

00:58:45.880 And I had a beat-up van.

00:58:47.760 That's all I had, and I could barely keep it running.

00:58:51.140 And that's just not taking care of your family.

00:58:55.080 And it's very cowardly and selfish to do just because you want to do something that supposedly,

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01:00:04.860 You see it so much more clearly with drug addicts.

01:00:08.380 I think of Hunter Biden, who, good enough looking guy, was in the military, didn't work out that well for him.

01:00:17.680 You know, comes from a politically very important family, graduate of Yale Law School.

01:00:22.660 This guy could have anything he wants in the world.

01:00:25.580 And what does he want most?

01:00:27.320 What is he willing to give up his whole life for just to pursue?

01:00:30.880 Crack and hookers.

01:00:32.440 And filming himself doing it.

01:00:33.860 And you look at it and you think, man, if people weren't getting hurt in all of this, it would be really funny.

01:00:40.160 It's a funny thing to think that somebody could have everything and a good life and then give it all up for crack and hookers.

01:00:49.440 It's so dark.

01:00:51.160 You would either laugh or cry.

01:00:53.500 And you would apply it to your situation.

01:00:57.260 You've got the white picket fence.

01:00:58.560 You've got the whole family.

01:00:59.600 And you say, okay, you can have all of that or fishnets.

01:01:03.620 You say, oh, fishnets every time.

01:01:05.060 Yeah, it's absurd and it's an atrocity for the family, our family, and other families like ours, that this is being prioritized over the well-being of children, over the commitment of marriage.

01:01:21.020 And churches are okay with it.

01:01:24.460 And corporations are celebrating.

01:01:26.520 I mean, Cracker Barrel this week with their pride statement, I can no longer eat there.

01:01:31.780 And I just...

01:01:32.560 Cracker Barrel.

01:01:33.480 It's Cracker Barrel.

01:01:34.860 I mean, I don't want to go to any business and spend my money someplace where they're celebrating the destruction of my family.

01:01:41.600 Yeah.

01:01:41.980 But they're celebrating what actually hurt my kids.

01:01:44.440 And probably it was one of the most painful experiences of my adult life and probably may remain that way for the rest of my life.

01:01:52.780 Almost certainly it will.

01:01:54.640 The queen of all vice, not even just the weird sex stuff, but just pride.

01:01:58.140 I mean, pride is the deadliest of the seven deadly sins, goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.

01:02:03.480 The fact that this has been embraced is scandalous.

01:02:06.280 And so, yeah, of course, I can't drink the Bud Light.

01:02:08.920 I can't go to Target.

01:02:09.720 I guess now I can't go to Cracker Barrel either.

01:02:12.040 Isn't that ridiculous?

01:02:13.340 But on this point of religion, and you guys meet in church, and you're quite religious, I guess that's the part that's so hard to understand.

01:02:28.340 The Christian view of this is certain things are true and certain things are false.

01:02:32.900 And man has a nature.

01:02:35.240 And we could go on for hours about body and soul interact with one another.

01:02:39.280 And man is a composite being.

01:02:40.940 And there's many millennia of philosophy on this and theology.

01:02:44.600 And so we say, okay, I can say with reasonable certainty you, Tracy, are a woman.

01:02:49.560 You can know that.

01:02:50.140 And that means that you have certain rights.

01:02:51.580 It means you have certain obligations.

01:02:52.780 And when you're a mother, you have obligations to your children.

01:02:54.680 When you're a wife, you have obligations to your husband and vice versa.

01:03:00.320 Maybe you don't like that.

01:03:01.460 Maybe you don't like Christianity or you don't believe.

01:03:03.960 But at least that's a vision, okay?

01:03:05.700 And it's a vision grounded in truth and reality.

01:03:08.560 And some things are true and some things are false.

01:03:10.280 And if you think some things that are not true, we're going to try to correct your misperception.

01:03:15.640 Right.

01:03:15.920 What is the alternative pride vision of all of that beyond do whatever the hell you want no matter who it hurts?

01:03:27.080 I mean, the whole thing boils down to do as thou wilt, right?

01:03:35.820 And that's really not a good motto for living our lives.

01:03:42.440 It's the first and only commandment of the church of Satan, I believe.

01:03:46.480 Yeah, that's right.

01:03:47.560 Yeah.

01:03:47.860 So, unfortunately, things have shifted so much in our society.

01:03:53.180 We don't protect what was good.

01:03:55.180 And we don't have a shared morality anymore.

01:03:58.180 So, people will look at you and me and say, well, you just want to have a theocracy.

01:04:03.280 We never…

01:04:04.040 Who doesn't?

01:04:04.780 I mean, at this point, at this point, wouldn't that be better?

01:04:07.640 But they do too.

01:04:08.280 They just want it without the real Theo.

01:04:12.480 Well, we didn't start with the theocracy.

01:04:14.400 And now maybe we're seeing the problem with that rebellion against the original church.

01:04:21.620 Maybe we're now seeing the problem with that.

01:04:23.480 But we're definitely seeing that when we had a shared morality, even without having theocracy in the United States,

01:04:29.740 it was a good experiment because we had a shared morality.

01:04:33.080 Now that we don't, it's all coming apart.

01:04:34.860 And I think that's why there's this feverish adaptation, you know, this feverish adoption of this transgender movement.

01:04:43.760 Yeah.

01:04:44.040 Because it has the ability to destroy everything.

01:04:46.280 If you can't have truth in court, if you can't have truth in law, then you can't have justice.

01:04:53.040 I mean, I think of the example of this girl in Louisiana.

01:04:58.620 I can't think of her name.

01:05:00.120 Something Grace.

01:05:01.100 But it was a famous case.

01:05:02.500 I think there's a documentary out about her now.

01:05:05.040 And she was adopted from the Ukraine.

01:05:09.820 And she ends up, she has dwarfism.

01:05:13.080 They take her home, give her her first bath.

01:05:15.760 And the parents discover that she has, like, signs of puberty, such as developing pubic hair.

01:05:22.640 So they think that she must be older.

01:05:24.680 They then abuse her to try to get it out of her that she is 22 years old.

01:05:29.060 They end up abandoning her in an apartment.

01:05:31.180 And so when it comes time to charge these parents, they had a doctor tell them that she was a child based on bone scans.

01:05:43.020 So there was science proving the age.

01:05:46.180 But when it came time to charge, she was, the girl was not allowed in court to say that she, her true age, she couldn't refer to herself as being a minor at that time.

01:05:57.820 And she even had a lie about what her birthday was.

01:05:59.660 Her birthday, the court made her say it is what was on the change, the re-age birth certificate.

01:06:06.820 So right now, in every state in the United States, including Texas, you can get your identification, your vital records, everything changed to the gender identity that you're taking on.

01:06:22.100 So the sex marker gets changed.

01:06:24.460 So my ex changed his.

01:06:26.880 And anybody, people are changing their kids' markers.

01:06:29.620 We don't have a law stopping that.

01:06:32.820 We didn't actually have a law allowing it.

01:06:34.600 It's being done through the courts.

01:06:36.080 We should be codifying into law what is a man, what is a woman, and sex.

01:06:42.760 And sex does not mean gender identity.

01:06:44.960 That's the only way to, you know, to live, coexist with this and maintain your rights.

01:06:54.300 Because it's our rights against their rights.

01:06:56.640 And only the powerful win.

01:06:58.380 And when you're in court and they change the birth certificate, you then have to use the fake pronouns.

01:07:06.380 You're legally obliged, you know, obligated.

01:07:09.220 You could be held in contempt of court for not using the right.

01:07:13.320 That's what they tried to do to me.

01:07:15.120 There will be judges that go along with that now.

01:07:17.720 Well, don't they have to now?

01:07:20.380 There's a story my priest used to tell.

01:07:22.900 I don't think it's apocryphal.

01:07:24.080 I think it was a real story.

01:07:25.640 Second World War, Nazi Germany.

01:07:27.560 There's an opera singer who's doing a show.

01:07:29.600 And she finds out there's some muckety-mucks from the party in the audience.

01:07:33.420 And she doesn't like them very much.

01:07:34.460 And she says, I'm not going to perform.

01:07:36.140 And one of their representatives goes back and says, you'll perform.

01:07:38.740 She says, I'm not going to do that.

01:07:40.020 And they say, do you know that we can make you sing?

01:07:45.780 And her response is, you can make me scream, but you can't make me sing.

01:07:50.700 I think you're sitting in court.

01:07:54.240 I guess they can make you scream.

01:07:56.180 I guess they can't make you violate your reason.

01:08:05.460 They can create a lot of temptations to do it.

01:08:08.820 Right.

01:08:09.620 And they can make it really, really hard for you.

01:08:11.120 And they can punish you.

01:08:12.660 But what they want to do is they want to be able to make you sing.

01:08:16.700 Two plus two does equal five.

01:08:18.360 And not only will you say it, you'll damn well believe it.

01:08:21.100 Yeah.

01:08:21.820 And if you don't, you're a bigot.

01:08:24.640 And you shouldn't be allowed to engage in society anymore.

01:08:29.260 You shouldn't be able to have your YouTube channel.

01:08:31.200 You shouldn't be able to just be part of polite society.

01:08:34.120 Because you misgendered.

01:08:36.120 I get this all the time.

01:08:36.760 You misgendered your ex-husband.

01:08:40.020 It's like the father of my kids.

01:08:42.580 And they're accused of misgendering.

01:08:44.320 It's like, my experience is valid.

01:08:47.460 And that's what I tell the liberals.

01:08:49.320 Is my experience not valid?

01:08:51.060 Because that's what we hear about them.

01:08:52.700 Their experience is valid.

01:08:53.560 We need to hear them.

01:08:54.680 But what about the trans widows?

01:08:56.280 What about their children?

01:08:57.740 Are our experiences not valid?

01:08:59.820 They are.

01:09:00.320 If we have to hear everyone's story, American Library Association, the infamous groomers of the United States, everybody's story matters.

01:09:09.760 And everybody's story wants to be told.

01:09:11.600 When I write my book, will it be shelved in the American libraries?

01:09:17.380 Will the American Library Association advocate as hard for my story as it does all these transgender stories?

01:09:25.960 Your book certainly will be banned from schools.

01:09:29.100 There's no question about it.

01:09:30.060 No doubt about it.

01:09:30.780 Because we were joking earlier about theocracy just now.

01:09:34.840 But I kind of mean it.

01:09:37.740 Everybody's got a theocracy.

01:09:39.200 I guess technically, theocracy is government ordered toward God.

01:09:43.200 Government by God.

01:09:44.400 So the libs obviously don't want that.

01:09:48.320 But they just want the opposite of religion and theocracy.

01:09:53.320 They want it ordered toward their false god.

01:09:55.020 I mean, they don't want a God-ordered society.

01:09:58.120 They want a devil-ordered society or something like that.

01:10:00.520 And so they'll enforce that with the same degree of coercion.

01:10:04.640 In fact, they'll enforce that with far greater coercion than any theocracy in history.

01:10:10.040 Because theocracies are restrained by morality, including the rulers.

01:10:15.600 Godless societies, the worst tyrannies in history.

01:10:18.160 They haven't been theocracies.

01:10:20.300 They've been dictatorships, communist dictatorships, where people answer to no one but themselves.

01:10:27.040 And they're doing it now.

01:10:28.600 And you're seeing it even from our nominally Catholic president.

01:10:32.040 You know, they told me if we elected a Catholic president, we'd replace the American flag with the flag of a religion.

01:10:39.700 And guess what?

01:10:40.440 That's exactly what we did.

01:10:41.500 The White House not only flies the pride flag, and not just the pride flag, the kind of militant terrorist pride flag with the BLM and the whatever.

01:10:49.900 But the president violates flag code to put the pride progress flag center, flanked by the star-spangled banners.

01:11:02.660 And he says, tweets out the picture, and he says, let everyone hear this.

01:11:08.220 America is a nation of pride.

01:11:12.000 Yeah.

01:11:12.460 Might be the first true thing Joe Biden's ever said.

01:11:15.280 Yeah, it probably is the first true thing he's said in a long time.

01:11:19.300 And it's not lost on me that that flag is a flag of the new world order.

01:11:27.000 You could see at Rockefeller Plaza, just a sea of these flags.

01:11:31.240 And I thought, you know, what the liberals, really more the squishes, the kind of don't ever use the government, just leave everyone alone, hands off kind of people.

01:11:40.480 What they'll say is, well, look, conservatives, if you insist upon your vision of the good in society, why, the liberals might do the same to us with their vision.

01:11:51.520 They think, oh, gosh, can you imagine?

01:11:53.920 Wow, what would that look like?

01:11:56.220 I have to worry about a hypothetical future when I'm dealing with the reality practically right now.

01:12:01.280 So given how public all of this is now, have you received threats?

01:12:06.400 Have you received, you've obviously received some praise, at least for me and, you know, like-minded people.

01:12:11.820 But you're a public figure now.

01:12:14.980 Sometimes, not too much.

01:12:16.920 I'm a person of faith, and I really believe that God has provided his protection over me and my family during all of this, sharing this story as much as I have.

01:12:28.920 And while sometimes I do get some hateful messages, usually the haters, they like to send me very offensive things, you know, like pornographic images, things like that.

01:12:40.340 Yeah, I've seen that pop up, even just on social media.

01:12:43.720 You know, people, it's just weird how all of these things overlap.

01:12:49.400 It's the people who are pushing these radical leftist views, they're always posting pornographic content.

01:12:57.200 They often post devil imagery.

01:13:01.220 They often, I mean, overt, satanic, demonic kind of images.

01:13:06.380 You mentioned you're a person of faith.

01:13:09.420 I assume you've seen that?

01:13:10.800 Oh, yes.

01:13:11.580 I've saw that a lot.

01:13:12.560 But I don't know if you know this, but back in 2019, I exposed the Sex Offenders and the Drag Queen Story Hour program in Houston, Texas.

01:13:22.760 That was you?

01:13:23.580 Yes.

01:13:23.900 I remember the story.

01:13:24.940 That made international news.

01:13:27.040 It made my show.

01:13:28.100 It did?

01:13:28.620 It did, yeah.

01:13:29.920 Great.

01:13:30.300 Thanks for covering that.

01:13:31.300 And one of the things that I saw in a lot of their social media was witchcraft and devil worship.

01:13:38.560 And I saw that as well in looking into the BLM movement and the Antifa as well.

01:13:46.240 Yeah.

01:13:46.480 And there's a lot of overlapping.

01:13:48.160 God forbid you post anything on social media against furries, you will get sent a whole lot of porn.

01:13:54.300 Really?

01:13:54.980 Yes.

01:13:55.320 I haven't delved too far into the whole furry.

01:13:58.700 Maybe we'll do a long sit-down with a furry or something at some point.

01:14:01.440 Oh, my gosh.

01:14:04.400 Yeah, I don't even really.

01:14:05.760 That's one.

01:14:08.140 Putting on fishnets is not my thing.

01:14:10.900 But I guess I could intellectually see how someone could make that a sexual thing.

01:14:17.340 But the furry stuff, that I can't really get.

01:14:22.300 And what is odd is that you have these common threads of, well, it's always very pornographic.

01:14:28.260 And it's very corrosive and destructive to real social relationships and to family.

01:14:34.580 And it's just demonic, I think.

01:14:38.880 Right?

01:14:39.160 I mean, or at least the symbolism is always demonic.

01:14:41.360 And that's why a lot of these guys, I think, will say, oh, I don't really believe in the devil, or I don't believe in God, or I don't believe in religion, or I don't believe in any of that.

01:14:50.080 I just use all of these really specific symbols ironically or something.

01:14:55.400 I don't.

01:14:56.100 It seems coincidental.

01:14:56.500 Does the devil care if you believe in him?

01:14:59.840 I don't think so.

01:15:01.620 So as a person of faith, I do believe that there's a demonic influence.

01:15:07.080 I mean, I guess some people think that's crazy.

01:15:10.500 They can think that, but I think it's real that there is a demonic influence over all of this.

01:15:18.380 And you don't know why someone would dress as a furry, but from what I've seen, I think it's the perfect opportunity, just like being in drag, the drag queens.

01:15:29.180 It's the perfect opportunity for them to hide their real identity from the children they're encountering.

01:15:35.920 When you uncovered that story, when I see these stories, I'm not surprised.

01:15:44.200 Some people are surprised.

01:15:46.120 But I always think, you know, it's always the ones you most expect.

01:15:49.940 At least most of the time.

01:15:51.460 Not all the time, but a lot of the time.

01:15:53.080 It's the ones you most expect.

01:15:55.680 And yet, even after that exposure of convicted child molesters being part of the Drag Queen Story Hour, those programs still exist all over the country.

01:16:05.900 Right, because it's being pushed out there under the guise of diversity and inclusion when we all know that what they really want is the opposite of that.

01:16:19.680 They want to exclude people of faith, and they don't want...

01:16:22.660 Exclude the truth.

01:16:23.740 Yeah, they don't want diversity.

01:16:24.980 Do they want our point of view?

01:16:27.840 No.

01:16:28.260 In a story time?

01:16:29.060 I mean, I thought about having a story time with the walrus book.

01:16:35.760 Matt's Johnny the walrus.

01:16:37.820 Yeah, I thought that would be a good story time.

01:16:39.900 I think I'll give it a go there in Houston, Texas, and see how the librarians, you know, if we put it up on the flagpole, if they're going to salute it.

01:16:49.620 Yeah, yeah.

01:16:50.960 See if they'll fight as hard for the walrus story as they do Julian is a mermaid.

01:16:57.920 Yeah, Maya Kobabi, Genderqueer, any of those sorts of books.

01:17:01.260 Right.

01:17:02.220 So speaking of exclusion and limits and all of this, there's just one thread I want to close up here.

01:17:10.540 Despite your husband's degenerate behavior, you fight for the marriage for 11 years after this all comes out.

01:17:20.180 So what happens where you finally say, okay, it's over?

01:17:28.080 I mean, basically, it was him.

01:17:32.840 I kept giving him more opportunities to do the right thing, and I always would go to him for the answers.

01:17:44.160 In fact, I did go to a Christian therapist that told me I had to stop doing that.

01:17:49.340 I had to start believing my eyes, you know, what I saw, and quit asking him to give me an explanation or to lie to me about it.

01:17:57.860 And I had told him if he continued this, we would get a divorce.

01:18:02.740 And when I found out that it was as bad as it really was, and that, you know, he had this person he was talking to online,

01:18:10.420 that their messages together were really disgusting.

01:18:14.820 You know, I want to do this to you like a girl.

01:18:17.500 I want you to do this to me like a girl.

01:18:19.920 Notice they didn't say woman, and just the things they were talking about, even talking about having me killed.

01:18:29.780 And my ex's response to this person, a stranger to me, talking about knocking me off to get me out of the way,

01:18:36.620 the mother of his children, his response was laughing.

01:18:39.540 So how did I end up leaving?

01:18:41.480 It was learning about all that, learning about this other person that he had found to validate what he was doing,

01:18:48.980 who enjoyed that, who wanted to help him transition, and finding hormones hidden in my house,

01:18:55.700 even after he said he had stopped.

01:18:57.960 And we were going again to another counselor, this time a Christian counselor,

01:19:02.220 and he sat there and said in front of the counselor that this is who I am.

01:19:08.920 So at that point, there was nothing to fight for.

01:19:13.680 Yet, as I told you earlier, he would tell the children that it was my fault he transitioned,

01:19:20.040 because I didn't give him enough chances.

01:19:22.860 That's just not true.

01:19:23.620 Just one more.

01:19:24.480 Just one more, I'm sure that would have done it.

01:19:26.260 Right.

01:19:26.540 After finding the hormones, finding about the other woman who was on board with all the fetishy stuff.

01:19:32.480 And murdering you.

01:19:33.540 And murdering me, yeah.

01:19:34.860 And finding about, you know, years of lies.

01:19:40.980 At the end of our marriage, he told me that some images I found on our computer

01:19:45.900 when we were early in our marriage, before we even had children,

01:19:50.060 I thought those were just ugly women in tacky lingerie that I found backed up in our computer.

01:19:56.700 And it turns out those were men.

01:20:00.600 No wonder they were ugly and had tacky lingerie.

01:20:03.540 At the time, I thought, why are you looking at these women when, you know,

01:20:07.280 I'm young and attractive and I had better taste in lingerie.

01:20:11.200 And it turns out those were men.

01:20:13.720 So just finding about all the deception, I believed him one more time.

01:20:18.380 And he got me to move from Ohio to Houston because in Ohio they have spousal support for life until you remarry.

01:20:27.140 And he wanted to divorce me in Texas so that he wouldn't have to pay spousal support.

01:20:33.180 So he told me he was going to be the man that God ordained him to be.

01:20:37.680 And once again, even despite the therapist telling me I should not believe him anymore,

01:20:43.000 that therapist even saw him and that therapist was experienced with dealing with abusive men

01:20:48.840 and knew, you know, recognized what was happening.

01:20:53.340 I was being gaslighted and I believed him.

01:20:56.780 So we got divorced in Texas.

01:20:58.300 It was financially worse for me, but I was at least close to my family who could help and support me.

01:21:04.720 And it opened my eyes a lot.

01:21:06.400 And I think the story happening in Texas is a, you know, should serve as a warning.

01:21:13.380 A lot of people think this is a very conservative state and that these things just don't happen there and can't happen.

01:21:20.320 And if you do, the state will have your back.

01:21:22.780 But this was in 19, you know, the beginning, you know, this goes far back before Bruce became Caitlin.

01:21:30.000 And the state didn't have my back.

01:21:33.560 The state absolutely was involved in the destruction of my family.

01:21:36.800 And they still are involved in this destruction of families and harm to children.

01:21:41.240 Because that's what this ultimately does.

01:21:43.360 When you destroy the family, which is a safe place.

01:21:47.120 We talk about safe places.

01:21:49.000 The safe place for children is in the natural family.

01:21:52.620 And that's the child's right.

01:21:54.580 And so to have their mother and father that love them and to care for them.

01:22:02.340 And Texas does not have your back.

01:22:05.880 So people need it.

01:22:06.920 I remember I thought, oh, this organization that I work with as an activist, Mass Resistance.

01:22:13.840 I thought years ago, oh, I'm so glad we're never going to need that here in Texas.

01:22:21.380 Little did I know.

01:22:23.040 Little did I know.

01:22:23.960 So let it serve as a warning.

01:22:25.960 But ultimately, it came down to him.

01:22:28.380 That's how it came to an end.

01:22:29.900 And I saw how bad it really was.

01:22:32.900 And it was so bad that I mentioned that a lot of the women go through being abused in different ways.

01:22:41.020 Financially, sexually, physically.

01:22:45.620 My children were seeing me be beat up by my husband.

01:22:49.760 Because he was defending this, himself and all of this.

01:22:55.120 I was in the way.

01:22:57.020 And if I wanted to.

01:22:57.480 So you're saying they figuratively saw you beaten up.

01:23:00.420 Oh, no.

01:23:00.760 They saw me physically beat up.

01:23:02.840 So because I wanted to see his phone.

01:23:05.620 You know, I wanted to see if he was lying to me.

01:23:09.180 And one time I wanted to just go upstairs and get something.

01:23:16.040 And he didn't want me to leave the house.

01:23:17.880 So he blocked the stairs and pushed me down the stairs.

01:23:20.580 Now, I had forgotten about times that he had hurt me because I was used to putting things out of my mind.

01:23:30.120 And sticking to the storyline, white-figured fence, beautiful family.

01:23:36.280 And we're not those people.

01:23:39.420 But we became an episode of Jerry Springer.

01:23:43.320 Yeah.

01:23:43.600 That's what we became.

01:23:44.520 And I had forgotten about being pushed down the stairs.

01:23:48.380 But my kids, they didn't forget.

01:23:50.400 They don't forget their mother being physically abused.

01:23:54.180 And I don't forget the emotional stuff.

01:23:57.220 And to me, the stuff that he tried to get me to do in the bedroom.

01:24:02.500 That sexual abuse.

01:24:03.920 Trying to coerce me into acting like we're lesbians.

01:24:08.860 Him dressing up as a woman.

01:24:10.960 And we're going to do these things like girls.

01:24:14.500 And I didn't go along with that.

01:24:16.840 But that's coercion.

01:24:18.680 And insisting on being submissive in the bedroom.

01:24:24.020 That's the kind of thing that that fetishy behavior does to a marriage.

01:24:28.540 And I know I'm kind of painting this picture that people don't really want to think about.

01:24:34.420 It's a pretty ugly picture.

01:24:35.600 But what I'm explaining, and much worse, happens to women who are married to these narcissistic men that society now celebrates and protects.

01:24:47.220 Now, that's not the cover of Vanity Fair.

01:24:49.020 That's a darker reality.

01:24:50.420 It makes me think of people now who really want to compartmentalize society.

01:24:57.920 They say, oh, what I do in my private life, that doesn't affect my public life.

01:25:02.260 What I do on my computer doesn't affect my real, practical life.

01:25:07.480 As though we're different people.

01:25:09.640 As though we can be.

01:25:12.340 A guy could have the white picket fence, the nice family.

01:25:15.520 He can look like an upstanding family guy.

01:25:18.060 And if he's spending his nights looking at weird stuff on the computer, putting on weird clothing, saying, oh, what does it matter to you what I do in my bedroom?

01:25:27.200 That's just in the privacy of my bedroom.

01:25:28.680 Well, the more you indulge in that perverse behavior, the more perverted you're going to become.

01:25:34.360 That's how habits work.

01:25:35.400 That's how vice works.

01:25:36.140 That's how virtue works.

01:25:37.800 And it is going to bleed out.

01:25:40.720 And pretty soon, that white picket fence is not going to look so white anymore.

01:25:43.660 Pretty soon, that family is not going to stay together anymore.

01:25:45.860 Even think about the role of the state here.

01:25:47.360 The fact that in Texas, don't mess with Texas.

01:25:50.500 Come on, come and get them.

01:25:51.600 This is good red Texas.

01:25:53.240 That Texas would indulge in all of this.

01:25:57.020 Well, of course, because just as in our personal lives, so too in public life, you're either going to be pursuing good or bad.

01:26:06.660 You're either going to exalt the truth or you're going to disregard the truth and you're going to live in lies.

01:26:12.760 And we're often fighting these things and we have temptations to go toward the bad stuff and not to practice the virtues.

01:26:21.280 If you move toward the good and true and beautiful and God and you practice virtues, you can keep that white picket fence.

01:26:31.340 Even though the storms are going to come, it's going to get a little gray.

01:26:33.700 You've got to repaint that fence every now and again.

01:26:36.300 But if you don't and you just allow your worst appetites to run away with you, that fence is going to disappear.

01:26:43.740 Even Texas, even Texas is going to disappear and a lot faster than many people think.

01:26:50.800 It's already not what people think it is.

01:26:53.460 But, you know, as for your example of public life versus private life and can you keep them separate?

01:27:00.640 I'll just share the example of a librarian in Texas that I discovered when I was investigating drag queen story hours.

01:27:10.200 One particular perverted drag queen came on my radar and his name was Kitty Litter.

01:27:16.140 This guy acts like I have just totally harassed him just by sharing what he had on his social media with the city council and the mayor and the public.

01:27:26.140 Because this guy and the guy had a record for prostitution and he was allowed to go to, he was invited by the librarian and allowed to go and read to the children, entertain them and talk to them about gender identity and sexual orientation along with another member of the American Library Association LGBTQ Roundtable.

01:27:48.740 And that librarian, as it turns out, at night was a BDSM leather daddy with he and his partner of 20 years they had been married to.

01:28:00.360 They were, they operate the spanking booth at the local leather and gear club in Austin.

01:28:08.380 A coveted position.

01:28:10.120 A very prestigious role at the leather daddy club.

01:28:14.140 Right, with his spouse that he does that with.

01:28:16.800 And, and, and this guy is a elementary librarian and not, and, and the worst part is he was wearing this medallion that was a representative of a leather club.

01:28:27.580 He wears that even at work.

01:28:29.080 And even worse than that, he's got a tattoo on his arm of a ruler.

01:28:34.580 You can only imagine what that measures.

01:28:37.560 A perverse homosexual act, which the picture I discovered of him at the leather, men of leather convention in Chicago

01:28:46.440 that he was at.

01:28:47.440 And M-O-L.

01:28:49.380 Men of leather.

01:28:50.400 I mean, don't, don't ever search their hashtag because it's disgusting.

01:28:54.260 Um, I found pictures of him giving a symbol for that, for that, um, sexual act.

01:29:00.640 And I have that on my website, madmamabear.com.

01:29:04.420 I exposed that.

01:29:05.200 The guy still works at the elementary school in Austin.

01:29:08.860 In fact, he now decides which children will be part of their gifted and talented program and interviews people to be, um, accepted into that.

01:29:17.180 It's a special school.

01:29:19.020 Well, because I assume he's a protected class.

01:29:20.740 Now you think of people of color and now men of leather.

01:29:24.300 I didn't, I never, never noticed that.

01:29:26.140 Yeah, yeah, he said it should be a protected class, I guess.

01:29:28.180 And, and I did a FOIA request for their, um, their email and text exchanges.

01:29:35.380 And the librarian was communicating with the drag queen about me.

01:29:40.420 They were talking about how upset I was going to be when I discovered that the drag queen prostitute,

01:29:45.440 who I had already exposed as being involved in the drag queen story hour in Austin libraries,

01:29:51.060 was going to be entertaining kids at the public school.

01:29:53.540 And he also coached him on how to get around the background check at the school.

01:29:59.560 Pretty soon there won't be a background check.

01:30:01.840 Well, I mean, there wasn't a background check in the, uh, the case with the drag queen story hour in Houston public libraries.

01:30:08.280 They, they were supposed to do them, but that would have been a microaggression, don't you know,

01:30:12.080 to actually do background checks for drag queens and transsexuals who, you know, want to spend time with people's kids.

01:30:20.900 I'm very even keel.

01:30:22.360 It's probably the reason that I don't have more views on my show is that I don't become visibly angry.

01:30:29.200 Very often takes a lot.

01:30:30.160 Your story fills me with such a deep abiding anger at, at, at, at just the, at every single level,

01:30:43.120 constant injustice of it all and the worsening injustice of it all.

01:30:46.840 It, I might have my once a year outburst of just yelling or something.

01:30:52.800 I mean, it's, it's so, it's just so evil what they've done and what they've done to the country

01:31:01.500 and what they've done to families and what they're doing to children, what they're doing to women

01:31:05.020 and what they're doing.

01:31:05.780 And they're doing it to the applause of very, very bad, rotten people who are, who are being encouraged on a path of delusion

01:31:14.340 and perversity and degeneracy.

01:31:16.000 And the fact that it happened in Texas, I can't get past it.

01:31:21.280 And I just think if, if, is it just you?

01:31:26.000 You're the only person who we're all counting on to, no, is no one else going to stand up?

01:31:30.260 Is no one else going to?

01:31:31.240 We need more people to stand up for the right things.

01:31:35.080 You know, Texas just passed a law to protect women's sports.

01:31:40.220 Yay.

01:31:40.940 But we haven't protected the bathrooms.

01:31:43.980 But those are just extra, you know, topics.

01:31:51.280 The main thing is what is a woman?

01:31:55.100 What is a man?

01:31:56.520 What is a family?

01:31:57.000 What does sex mean?

01:31:58.140 What is a family?

01:31:58.880 And are we ordering society and law in such a way to protect the family, which is the ultimate safe place for children?

01:32:09.080 And we're not doing that.

01:32:11.240 Texas had the opportunity this year to advance legislation.

01:32:15.900 There were, there were bills written that would define what a man and a woman is in law.

01:32:20.940 We need to do that now as crazy as it seems.

01:32:24.540 Because we did it before, because we used to have common sense and we didn't have this new religion that's being foisted on all of us.

01:32:34.020 But we had the chance and we didn't do it.

01:32:36.400 Just like in 2021, we didn't protect the children.

01:32:39.660 We still haven't accomplished protecting families or parents or parental rights when they go up against this issue in court.

01:32:47.040 We can still be medically kidnapped and taken to another state because all institutions are not on our side.

01:32:54.180 We may have stopped some doctors from doing it right in Texas, but we haven't stopped them from what I found because I messaged a doctor acting like I was a 17 year old saying that I wanted to get the hormones and stuff.

01:33:07.020 Well, you can get them just $500 is all I need.

01:33:10.440 And I'll have them to you in 30 days after one appointment.

01:33:12.400 And you can still do that in Texas.

01:33:16.400 And I'm so glad to hear you say it's not just about the girls' sports.

01:33:21.000 I hope girls have a nice time playing their sports.

01:33:23.020 I hope they get scholarships.

01:33:24.260 No one cares about girls' sports.

01:33:25.980 Three people watch the WNBA.

01:33:27.840 It's not about that.

01:33:28.940 It's about the justice of it.

01:33:30.440 And it's about a fundamental political issue because the family is the basic unit of politics.

01:33:37.940 The individual is not actually the basic unit of politics.

01:33:40.220 It's the family.

01:33:40.940 That's the structure, right?

01:33:41.960 Politics means public.

01:33:43.660 And so as goes the family, so goes the country.

01:33:46.560 As goes the country, so goes the family.

01:33:48.540 You can't neatly divorce these two things because one is a microcosm of the other.

01:33:53.060 And both are in turmoil.

01:33:54.520 And you've experienced it in a much more personal way than most people have.

01:33:58.540 But many more people are going to experience it in that personal way if we don't stand up to defend them both.

01:34:04.460 Tracy, thank you so much for coming in.

01:34:06.720 Thank you.

01:34:07.300 Thank you.

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01:34:07.400 Thank you.

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The Michael Knowles Show - August 12, 2023

Michael & The Trans Widow ｜ Tracy Shannon

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