Non-Binary： Knowles Vs Protestors ｜ Cross The Picket Line
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When a conservative speaks on a college campus, anything can happen. I ve come to expect the histrionics of the excitable leftist students with purple hair. What still gives me some surprise, though, is that the most ardent disruption these days often comes from the supposed adults who should know better, the university administrators.
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When a conservative speaks on a college campus, anything can happen.
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I've come to expect the histrionics of the excitable leftist students with purple hair.
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That's just how college kids are. It's frankly kind of charming.
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What still gives me some surprise, though, is that the most ardent disruption these days
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often comes from the supposed adults who should know better, the university administrators.
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Just days before I was scheduled to speak at the University of Wisconsin-Madison,
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left-wing administrators tried to shake down the students for a last-minute, unprecedented security fee
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UW-Madison didn't charge any last-minute security fees when my friends Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh spoke there.
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Perhaps they were just more intimidated by my Sicilian physique.
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But then I learned that the fee was not to protect the students from me.
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Rather, it was to protect me from the liberal students,
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who ideologically are on the same side as the administrators who were trying to shake me down.
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Fortunately, the group that had invited me held its ground and even threatened to sue the school,
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which was legally bound by the First Amendment to abide by free speech.
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Hundreds of people came in, they filled all the seats,
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and they were polite for almost the whole time.
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I'm standing here now, a biological male, wearing a dress with a pair of leggings.
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Do you sincerely believe that I should be subject to punitive justice on the basis of what I'm wearing?
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And if so, are you willing to turn yourself in for wearing women's panties in your gay college film?
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I say almost the whole time because a couple students,
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one who called himself transgender and another who called herself non-binary,
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So happy, in fact, that we all decided to sit down and have a conversation after the event.
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Ferris, first of all, thank you for coming to the lecture,
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and then thank you for your questions, and then for sitting down.
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So a femboy still retains their male identity and pursues femininity, whereas a trans woman
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If I pursue Sicilian identity, then I would identify as Sicilian.
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But then if a femboy pursues feminine identity, he would identify as female.
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He would identify as feminine, not necessarily female.
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I think you and everyone at The Daily Wire would agree that feminine and female are not
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Feminine is good, and it's what women are when they act like women.
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And effeminate is bad, and it's what men are when they act like women.
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So yeah, we could say a femboy is a boy who is effeminate, whereas a trans woman actually
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doesn't retain the male identity and chooses to identify as a female.
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But then to loop back around to my first question, when did you start to identify as transgender?
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Internally, I've noticed the sort of mismatch between my identity and the body that I was
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given and the roles that society has placed upon me.
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That mismatch was pretty clear from a very young age.
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But I'd say probably since around 4K, you know, like school.
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Like four-year-old kindergarten, like preschool.
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If you say you weren't, you know, it's not like you were born in the wrong body or something,
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I think some people like ketchup and some people don't.
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I wanted to pursue these characteristics, these traits.
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No, I'm not denying that you want or want to do that.
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Yeah, I mean, I think the same reason why anybody identifies as the gender they were assigned
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It just kind of, it just feels kind of natural.
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I'd say I came out as trans to everyone except for my family members because it wasn't safe
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I don't want to get into the grotesque details, but I was in a pretty abusive household.
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My father was not very accepting, but my mother.
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Do you think maybe that might have had anything to do with, you know, all of this?
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No, the abuse and whatnot didn't really, I don't see any correlation with that in my gender identity.
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I've heard, it's not just, I mean, I've just heard it from people who have detransitioned
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Yeah, I don't like, you know, trust me, I'm not.
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I'm not proud to say that I grew up in an abusive household and I also happen to be trans.
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I don't want to feel that statistic, but I'm also not going to be dishonest about my upbringing.
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I don't mean to be, but you're not saying you're a man.
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And you would have at some point in your life said you're a woman.
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But then when did you decide you're non-binary?
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I didn't know what transgender or non-binary was until I was 14, 15.
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Most people had not heard of it until recently.
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I suppose we'll perhaps agree to disagree on that.
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No, I think people have been confused about their sex, and I think they've had all sorts
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But I don't think it's a real category, basically.
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I just don't think it's possible to have a male body but be a female, because I don't
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think that's how body and soul or how identity actually works.
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So I think what we're saying is that transgenderism, let's just say as an ideology, has existed
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The first books that were burned in the Holocaust were about transgender people, about sexual
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Well, yeah, there was all sorts of sort of sexual, and it goes back, obviously, much
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But I suppose the difference would be transvestitism has existed for all of history, always been
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sort of, you know, cabarets and red light districts and things like that.
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But the ideology, meaning the view that a man could say he really is a woman or a woman
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could say she really is multiple people, you know, they or them or not an either man or
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I mean, obviously, historical records going back thousands of years get kind of shaky
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just because, you know, we aren't able to preserve text that long.
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But not like, oh, we're not going back to Adam in the garden.
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Um, but we have, there's evidence of people with, um, assigned male, uh, skeletons in female,
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traditionally female clothing and attire in burial.
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Um, this is, uh, one of the specific, uh, examples I'm thinking of was, uh, Norse.
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Um, there was a, uh, female skeleton that was buried with, uh, traditionally male burial
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Um, well, I, I said female because obviously I believe that gender is something social rather
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But the scientists were able to identify it by the skeleton.
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There's this odd idea among conservatives that transgender people don't understand that
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biological, like, sex exists or that we're deluded.
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I've seen people clipped out of context to look like that, but I haven't.
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These are people, I, I, I, I promise you, I've spoken to these people on camera in some
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Uh, but, but in any case, you don't, you don't, uh, feel that way.
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So you're non, you're non, you're non, you're non-binary.
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You said that you came to this realization at 14.
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What do you think kind of pushed you over that edge at 14?
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Um, I think intense emotional distress at the prospect of needing to navigate through
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life being someone's daughter, someone's sister, someone's girlfriend, someone's wife,
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Um, that's just something that, that, that wasn't really a role that I wanted to fill and a role
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that I felt intensely distressed at the prospect of needing to fulfill.
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It's, it's difficult to explain and would be difficult to explain in a very short period
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It's just one of those things that you feel deep down in your soul.
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You do, you mean it would be difficult to explain even to yourself or you're just saying
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it would be difficult to articulate this thing that I understand?
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The, yeah, the cause of gender dysphoria and this discomfort with your sex assigned at
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birth and these roles is still pretty widely debated, even in the woke scientific community.
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And there would seem to be, even among the pro-trans kind of woke, a presumed, uh, plurality,
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Like some people can fall into this as a bit of a sexual fetish.
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Some guys who dress up like women will openly state that they're, uh, the Wachowski brothers
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who are now the Wachowski sisters said they, uh, fell into their transgender identity largely
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through pornography and, uh, others will say that as well.
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Now you might say, well, it wasn't pornography.
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It was because of, you know, I wanted to wear a dress when I was four years old or something.
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But I'm just saying in some cases it would appear to be more of a sexual fetish.
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For some people it might be caused by some emotional distress.
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For some people it might be caused by any number of other factors.
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Again, I'm just, I'm, I'm just repeating what I've heard from the left.
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The, the most famous transgender idea of black people in the world.
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The material presence of somebody wearing a dress with a male body.
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The material presence of a man in a woman's dress perhaps could come about as a sexual fetish.
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But I don't think that, I think what we're trying to say is that that's a very different
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No, that's, I guess that's what I'm saying too.
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There are these different, uh, causes for this kind of, um, identity.
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We didn't even talk about it, even though this is important.
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And you might not either because you're transgender or non-binary.
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Do you believe that transgender people are all celibate?
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I'm just a little confused as to what non-binary means.
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Non-binary means I am not a man or a woman, regardless of what parts I was bestowed.
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What you're saying is your body has nothing to do with whether you're a man or a woman.
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I think oftentimes the gender identity does describe a relationship to one's body.
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For example, if I were to say I am a transgender woman, I'm directly asserting that I am a woman and that I have male genitalia.
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Or you could have gone under the knife and lost your male genitalia.
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It seems like you could just, all of these terms just mean kind of whatever you want them to mean.
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So you just said, to be a transgender woman, I have to be wearing a dress or look like this.
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What's the concrete definition of a transgender woman?
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Somebody who is assigned male at birth who identifies and pursues womanhood.
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Not to sound like Walsh, but what is womanhood then?
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I would describe womanhood as a very subjective concept.
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But you just also said we're talking about things that are concrete.
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What is the actual definition of the thing that you are using to define transgenderism?
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I would describe womanhood as a set of characteristics associated with females, usually removed from sex.
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And even the way you said it, you said I would describe, but I'm not asking you to describe anything.
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Because it gets to the heart of your identity, which is that you're four years old, you say, I don't really feel like a man.
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How would you even know what that would mean at the age of four?
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And how would you know what that would mean now to feel like a woman?
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Because there are a variety of traditions associated with the male and female sex.
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And I've decided that I'd rather subscribe to the ones associated with the female sex.
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How would I even know what the traditions associated with the female sex are?
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I know that mom stays at home and that dad goes to work.
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I understand what a traditional gender role is.
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I'm not comfortable with these social expectations.
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Therefore, I am going to adhere to different social expectations that are generally assigned to the opposite sex.
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Previously, what you said was there are these different social expectations associated with being a woman.
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And I so wanted to avoid them that I no longer call myself a woman.
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Not that a woman can avoid those social expectations.
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But rather that the social expectations are so intrinsic to womanhood that I will no longer be a woman.
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So, I don't want to adhere to the social norms generally pushed onto women.
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And I also feel intense discomfort when being called with feminine pronouns, when being called a woman, when being perceived as a woman.
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And I understand those things aren't necessarily under my control.
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Would you, just to tie it up on you, I don't want to spend the whole time talking about the issue that you wanted to talk about.
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Um, I could, I could come up with a circumstance in which I would.
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I highly doubt that such a circumstance would arise.
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Mostly just because those circumstances, I've never been pregnant.
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But what, why wouldn't you in principle, I guess?
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Past certain points of development, I do believe you can start ascribing personhood to a fetus.
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Because you said, look, there's a, there's a point at which I would start to ascribe personhood.
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And then presumably you wouldn't have the abortion.
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Um, and, you know, this isn't something that I consider very much because again, I don't foresee myself being pregnant.
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But you, you intuit, I mean, you're obviously concerned about the issue of abortion.
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You showed up to this lecture tonight to ask me this long question about it.
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So you, you intuit that there is some point, at least in gestation where the baby would be a person and then it would be kind of wrong to abort the baby.
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Yeah, so I'm asking about your personal opinion.
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I don't believe that anyone should be forced to give up their bodily autonomy to save the life of another person.
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Even if you're considering a fetus to be a baby.
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Even if you're considering a fetus to be a baby.
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So then why did you bring up the personhood thing?
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That's how I feel, but I don't believe that the way that I feel should necessarily decide what other people do with their bodies and their lives.
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You don't think that your conclusions are sound?
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I think that believing that my perspective is universally correct, I think that that's hubris.
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But, but you came here to tell me that my views are wrong and your views are right.
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I do believe that people have the right to self-determination very firmly.
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But you would, you would force me to live in a society that tolerates abortion.
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I don't think that you're being personally affected by that.
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It's not affecting your right to self-determination.
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It's not affecting the way that you live your life.
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So you're, you're, you're forcing me to, to base my political judgments on your conception of self-determination.
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Don't, don't you think that's a little coercive?
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Isn't that a little, a little bit of hubris that you're showing here?
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Um, well, this, this is, this is really, this is odd.
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Um, wait, I'm, I'm not even following, I, I'm not sure you're saying much at all.
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You, you previously said that it's a demonstration of pride and hubris for you to take your own
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personal judgments and impose them and universalize them to everyone else.
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And then in the very next breath, you said that your views of bodily autonomy and self-determination
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That's why you came here to tell me that I'm wrong and you're right.
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Um, I also believe in democracy and the majority of Americans side with me.
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I mean, uh, after Roe v. Wade was overruled, half of the states, uh, uh, imposed limitations
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Um, are you under the impression that we live in an absolute democracy?
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Yeah, we, we do live in a representative democracy and those representatives do not necessarily,
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their actions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the people that they represent.
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So you support democracy in principle, just not ours?
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Well, we have a representative democracy and you just said that the representative.
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You're putting a whole lot of words in my mouth.
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I think I'm just, I'm just repeating what you said and I'm trying to.
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You, you, you just said that you support democracy and I said, okay, well, in our democracy,
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half the states decided to severely limit or outright ban abortion.
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And you said, well, you're assuming that we're a direct democracy.
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I was explaining to you that we do not live in a direct democracy.
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But, but then I said, right, we're a, we live in a representative democracy.
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And you said, well, that's not representative of the people.
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But then that, what that would mean is you support some kind of democracy in theory,
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but you don't support the actual one we have here, which outlaws abortion in half the states
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I prefer democracy to actually genuinely represent the feelings and best interests of the people
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Every once in a while, I mean, do you believe the government, do you 100% agree with the
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government of the United States on everything all the time?
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And would that mean that you hate democracy in America?
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No, I think sometimes most people disagree with me.
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But, but that doesn't mean that I would sacrifice my view and the rightness or, and the rightness
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or wrongness of my view to the mob or something like 50% plus one.
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If 50% plus one of the electorate came out and said that abortion is murder and we're going
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to ban it in all circumstances, would you still support democracy?
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Democracy, democracy, um, what is that Winston Churchill quote?
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That's the worst form of government other than all the other ones that have been...
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We just got to convince 50% plus one of the people and you would be the biggest pro-lifer
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I mean, I wouldn't agree with it, but I would live with it.
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I don't, again, I don't believe in imposing my beliefs on others.
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If the majority believes that abortion is murder, then obviously I'd be forced to go along
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So I might, maybe I convinced you a little bit in my talk then.
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I just, saying that I'm not against political violence doesn't mean...
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You would support the outlawing of abortion if most people wanted it.
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I don't think they're saying that they would totally comply, um, with the, you know,
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I think they would still try to convince people within the marketplace of ideas what they believe in.
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So you wouldn't accept what the majority of people want.
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I think they're trying to say they wouldn't override democracy with political violence.
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I don't know whether or not I ultimately convinced Demi and Ferris.
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But what I am sure of is that their willingness to sit down to discuss a disagreement was much
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more impressive than the university administrator's desperate attempts to keep me off campus.
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As my YAF campus tour continues, I hope to find more students like Demi and Ferris who are willing
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