The Michael Knowles Show - July 31, 2025


Racist, Sexy, or Just Good Jeans？ Fiery DEBATE With Michael Knowles


Episode Stats

Length

33 minutes

Words per Minute

200.01572

Word Count

6,790

Sentence Count

531

Misogynist Sentences

83

Hate Speech Sentences

45


Summary

Sydney Sweeney has great genes. Is this good or bad? Is this a racist ad? Or is it just one of the most effective ads of the last 50 years? Is it bad because it's Nazi or good because it s promiscuous and sultry?


Transcript

00:00:00.000 She's not a porn star. She doesn't do OnlyFans.
00:00:03.580 She's literally acting and she's making a bag doing products and sales.
00:00:09.480 It's okay because she makes a bag.
00:00:11.320 So are OnlyFans girls models now?
00:00:15.700 What's the difference?
00:00:16.960 You can't differentiate that. That's very stupid.
00:00:20.260 You can. If you're an actress and you take off your clothes and you do pornography because you're an actress, you're still a prostitute.
00:00:26.960 It's not pornography. She's not a prostitute.
00:00:29.760 It is pornography.
00:00:32.980 Doing sex scenes, doing nude sex scenes, showing your body is naked, is pornography.
00:00:39.360 There is only one thing that people can talk about right now.
00:00:43.380 It's not the wars. It's not the mass migration. It's not the trade disputes.
00:00:48.080 It's Sydney Sweeney and her good genes.
00:00:50.840 Is the good genes commercial bad because it's Nazi?
00:00:55.600 Is it good because it isn't woke?
00:00:58.280 Is it bad because it's promiscuous and sultry?
00:01:03.000 What is it?
00:01:04.060 Men have strong opinions, so I've brought on a bunch of women to debate this topic.
00:01:08.220 I am joined by Melanie Mack, Emily Saves America, Savannah Stone, and Daily Wire's own Reagan Conrad.
00:01:15.660 Ladies, thank you for being here.
00:01:18.480 Wonderful to see all of you again.
00:01:20.880 For those who have not yet seen the most effective commercial of the last 50 years,
00:01:27.200 here is Sydney Sweeney selling American Apparel jeans.
00:01:39.500 Sydney Sweeney, Hasbro Keynes.
00:01:42.100 A 30-second commercial dominating international news for an entire week.
00:01:55.760 The libs don't like the commercial at all.
00:01:58.800 Here is just a little smattering of what people are seeing on TV, the internet, everywhere in between.
00:02:04.620 And the tagline is, Sydney Sweeney has great genes.
00:02:07.860 Now, in one ad, the blonde-haired, blue-eyed actress talks about genes as in DNA being passed down from her parents.
00:02:14.100 The play on words is being compared to Nazi propaganda with racial undertones.
00:02:20.620 Genes are passed down from parents to offspring, often determined in traits like hair, color, personality, and even eye color.
00:02:31.280 My genes are blee.
00:02:32.900 Hey, American Eagle, now do black and brown women.
00:02:36.280 Because black and brown women also have great genes that they inherit from their parents.
00:02:39.800 Did you know that?
00:02:40.340 Oh, and don't think this was an accident.
00:02:42.520 This was very intentional.
00:02:43.840 And it would not have mattered one bit if a person of color was in the room because this message was not intended for us.
00:02:49.760 Oh, and it landed for its intended market.
00:02:52.360 Ladies, there are two issues here.
00:02:54.400 One, is this a good commercial?
00:02:56.860 Is this good?
00:02:57.720 Is it bad?
00:02:58.240 Should conservatives like it?
00:02:59.100 Should we go by the genes?
00:03:00.080 But before that, is it Nazi?
00:03:03.200 Emily?
00:03:04.040 No, it's not Nazi.
00:03:05.460 Yes, it's a good commercial.
00:03:06.660 It's actually one of the only good mainstream commercials I've seen in quite a long time.
00:03:10.840 You watch it and you're like, okay, I like this.
00:03:12.600 She looks good.
00:03:13.620 Maybe I'll go look at the store.
00:03:15.120 But it's funny because, like, this brand is very mainstream.
00:03:17.660 If you look at smaller brands, they do great marketing like this all the time.
00:03:21.080 Look, I've been raised in the last five years on Jaguar ads, okay?
00:03:26.200 So I haven't seen a bubbly, cute girl in, I don't know, 10 years probably at this point.
00:03:31.440 I've seen androgynous weirdos trying to sell me every product under the sun.
00:03:35.140 So, yes, I admit there's something refreshing about it.
00:03:38.300 Melanie?
00:03:39.340 I think that it's obviously not a racist ad.
00:03:42.480 That was a big reach, but I still don't support it.
00:03:45.640 I don't support propping Sidney Sweeney as some American conservative icon,
00:03:50.580 especially when the longer version of the ad shows her dressing and putting the jeans on
00:03:55.660 and her top is open while she has no bra or anything underneath.
00:03:59.820 So it's just, it's liberal, not from the 90s and 2000s.
00:04:05.600 It's definitely not conservative or anything to be celebrated.
00:04:08.280 It's lustful.
00:04:09.060 That's the intent.
00:04:10.540 Sidney Sweeney in general, we know that she unapologetically promotes lustful content,
00:04:16.820 pornographic type content.
00:04:18.580 She did this Sasquatch ad selling her bathwater with bars of soap with holes in it so that men
00:04:24.060 can use them as sex toys.
00:04:26.260 Let's not pretend like this is some conservative victory that Sidney Sweeney is being propped
00:04:31.820 up in this commercial.
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00:05:47.280 Hold on, hold on, hold on.
00:05:48.300 I was, I was defend, I agree with basically everything you've said, and that's been my
00:05:52.640 take on it too, but I've been defending Sidney Sweeney as, yeah, she's, you know, she shows
00:05:58.380 a little cleavage, but what, what with the soap?
00:06:01.900 What did she do with soap?
00:06:03.260 If that was it, I would be with you.
00:06:05.140 I don't care if like there's a girl that's, you know, wears a bikini at the beach or who's
00:06:10.320 just pretty or shows a little cleavage, but that's not the case with Sidney Sweeney.
00:06:13.720 In her history with movies, she's done pornographic type scenes, which is, what's the difference
00:06:19.500 between that and an OnlyFans model that she gets paid more than most of them?
00:06:23.740 I mean, it's still promoting pornography.
00:06:25.480 There's been advertisements for more movies that she's doing.
00:06:28.120 Oh, there's a threesome lesbian scene with Sidney Sweeney.
00:06:31.520 And then you've got people who, conservative influencers.
00:06:34.500 Oh, we're so back guys.
00:06:36.080 Yeah, we win.
00:06:36.880 It's just like, clearly the Sasquatch ad, she sold a limited quantity of bath soaps with
00:06:43.660 her bath water.
00:06:45.060 And there was a hole in the center of them because it was meant for degenerate men to
00:06:50.080 use those bars of soap as a sex toy that had her bath water in it.
00:06:54.220 It's degenerate.
00:06:54.980 It's perverted.
00:06:55.840 Hey, is the commercial in itself in an isolated way bad?
00:06:59.840 No.
00:07:00.480 It could have been any other girl, but this isn't a conservative win propping Sidney Sweeney
00:07:05.340 in this way.
00:07:06.700 You're destroying my view of Sidney Sweeney.
00:07:09.000 I hadn't heard of the soap thing.
00:07:10.400 And then a threesome?
00:07:11.640 What?
00:07:13.980 Supposedly, there's a movie coming out where she has a lesbian threesome in it.
00:07:17.720 I'm not exactly sure all the details.
00:07:19.520 I just remember headlines just all over the place on social media about that about a year
00:07:24.640 ago or something.
00:07:25.740 But she definitely has done pornographic scenes in movies and stuff before.
00:07:31.680 This is somebody who uses her sexuality to market herself.
00:07:36.440 That's her thing.
00:07:37.520 And it's like, that's not something that conservatives should be, that's not somebody
00:07:41.740 conservatives should be celebrating.
00:07:43.260 This isn't just some girl who's pretty and cute and just shows a little cleavage.
00:07:47.400 This is actually somebody who really pivots into that.
00:07:51.240 Emily, you're rolling your eyes and sighing heavily.
00:07:53.440 I take it you disagree.
00:07:54.420 I just, this is like the, with takes like these, I'm just like, I'm, I assume conservatives
00:08:00.480 are just obsessed with killing their own movement and losing the next election.
00:08:04.080 And it's interesting to just watch.
00:08:05.960 First of all, it's actually not that deep.
00:08:08.100 It's literally a commercial.
00:08:10.120 You, it's like every time we have a little bit of a win, it's people take it to the extreme.
00:08:14.640 And then it's like, oh, this is why people hate us and we can't have anything.
00:08:17.760 She's an actress.
00:08:19.000 She's not a porn star.
00:08:20.540 She doesn't do OnlyFans.
00:08:22.020 She's literally acting and she's making a bag doing products and sales.
00:08:28.420 Like, it's okay because she makes a bag.
00:08:30.320 I know the soap is a little far.
00:08:31.560 So are OnlyFans girls models now?
00:08:35.040 What's the difference?
00:08:36.260 If you can't differentiate that, that's very stupid.
00:08:39.560 You can.
00:08:40.540 If you're an actress and you take off your clothes and you do pornography because you're
00:08:43.880 an actress, you're still a prostitute.
00:08:46.460 It's not pornography.
00:08:48.000 She's not a prostitute.
00:08:49.000 Apparently, you haven't grown up around that.
00:08:51.220 It is pornography.
00:08:52.280 Doing sex scenes.
00:08:54.360 Doing nude sex scenes showing your body is naked is pornography.
00:09:00.500 Okay.
00:09:01.080 I disagree.
00:09:01.620 Having sex on camera is pornography.
00:09:03.780 You also don't know how the movement industry works with those exact scenes.
00:09:07.080 Hold on.
00:09:07.820 Now, listen.
00:09:08.300 I haven't seen the scenes and I don't intend to go see the scenes.
00:09:11.240 But if she's, you know, going fully nude and she's doing sex scenes or something, doesn't
00:09:16.540 Melanie kind of have a point?
00:09:17.700 Isn't that?
00:09:18.100 It's like a little, it's at least porn adjacent, isn't it?
00:09:21.120 And then porn.
00:09:22.760 And if you can't separate those things, that's a bigger issue.
00:09:25.560 What's the difference?
00:09:26.040 If someone says, if someone says I'm a Hollywood.
00:09:29.300 Hold on.
00:09:29.780 If somebody says I'm a Hollywood actor or actress and I'm not a porn person and I'm just going
00:09:35.480 to go do movies, but I'm going to do nude sex scenes that don't leave anything to the
00:09:41.160 imagination, then what's the distinction between that and going to some seedy setup in Chatsworth
00:09:46.620 and filming an internet video?
00:09:50.920 What's the distinction?
00:09:52.480 Yeah.
00:09:52.900 What's the distinction?
00:09:53.900 Money, contracts, a room full of people, making sure you're safe.
00:09:57.520 The fact that most of the time it's film, it's like crazy.
00:10:00.120 You guys are a daily wire.
00:10:01.120 You know how film works.
00:10:02.700 But porn is film.
00:10:04.940 Porn has contracts and money and rooms full of people.
00:10:09.540 You just said, well, now it's your own debate.
00:10:11.840 You said a seedy room.
00:10:13.560 She's not a seedy room.
00:10:14.700 She's like an A-list actress now.
00:10:16.560 This is just like a conservative talking point.
00:10:18.820 That's just not happening.
00:10:20.020 Casting couches in Hollywood.
00:10:23.400 Hollywood's totally wholesome.
00:10:24.600 That's right.
00:10:25.120 If you don't think she's a little bit above that, you think that's what she's going to do?
00:10:29.680 Ladies, hold on, hold on.
00:10:31.080 Listen, we're getting too, we're being too harsh on Sydney before we bring in Savannah
00:10:35.980 and Reagan.
00:10:37.020 We might come back to being harsh on Sydney.
00:10:39.020 You're really, Melanie, you're actually really coloring my view.
00:10:41.300 I was more pro-Sydney before you started making these arguments.
00:10:43.860 Savannah, your take.
00:10:44.660 I mean, I don't think an ad for jeans is setting us back to 1930s Germany.
00:10:50.620 And I also think that, you know, the radical left is so addicted to outrage, being outraged
00:10:56.500 by absolutely everything.
00:10:57.820 Listen, just from some personal experience, I grew up modeling.
00:11:01.420 I don't do it anymore because it's so woke.
00:11:03.260 But back in 2020, during the Biden administration, I was told by my agent that I would never book
00:11:08.720 the big jobs because they were so focused on diversity and they didn't want a skinny brunette
00:11:14.280 with blonde, with blue eyes.
00:11:16.680 And so now I think it's a win for the conservative movement.
00:11:19.600 I mean, I personally want to see attractive people when I'm online shopping because whenever
00:11:24.520 I went on Victoria's Secret and it was all obese, unfortunate looking people, that does
00:11:29.120 not make me want to buy anything.
00:11:31.000 That does not make me want to buy clothes because I can't look at a woman who's over 200 pounds
00:11:35.680 and say, wow, that's that's going to look good on me as a petite woman.
00:11:39.860 So, yeah, I think I think that she's very sexual, but I also think that she's the next
00:11:43.720 Marilyn Monroe and the conservative movement is not going to win if we're constantly saying,
00:11:48.060 oh, women can't be hot.
00:11:49.760 They can't be attractive.
00:11:50.660 I think the soap ad was a little far because she said something like little boys come in
00:11:55.660 my bathtub or something weird like that.
00:11:57.720 What?
00:11:58.100 How did I miss this?
00:11:59.600 That's gross.
00:12:00.920 Well, when you've got a moral foundation and you and you you it's not about winning people
00:12:05.760 over being right.
00:12:06.760 You're right.
00:12:07.220 Whether the whole world disagrees with you or not, we can't be promoting lust.
00:12:11.660 That doesn't mean that it's OK for that's not OK for women to be beautiful and attractive
00:12:16.340 or that we they have to be wearing burkas.
00:12:18.660 But to say, oh, we're not going to win if we don't accept women owning their sexuality.
00:12:24.380 I mean, these are old liberal talking points.
00:12:26.580 It's not a win for conservatism if we're just pushing old liberal talking points.
00:12:31.320 Here's somebody who clearly pivots on the sexual stuff.
00:12:35.380 I just looked up.
00:12:36.700 This is where it was from last year, where she and Anna de Armas agree on doing a threesome
00:12:41.880 in a movie together.
00:12:42.820 That was what was going on in the articles about this lesbian threesome and all this
00:12:47.960 stuff.
00:12:48.340 Here's somebody who clearly pushes degenerate, sinful ideologies.
00:12:53.240 And hey, if you're not a Christian and you're just a conservative without those Christian
00:12:57.980 values, of course, this stuff's going to be celebrated because it's all a matter of what
00:13:02.060 am I attracted to?
00:13:03.120 That's what I like.
00:13:04.220 But conservatism, in my opinion, should be rooted in biblical values because you have
00:13:09.440 nothing.
00:13:09.780 You're basically a liberal if you don't have your foundation of biblical values.
00:13:14.560 Reagan?
00:13:15.980 It's a great question.
00:13:17.240 You know, I think that there's this line of, is it a win because it's not woke?
00:13:21.280 You know, because I think the second that something is not woke, we're excited, we're
00:13:23.780 happy.
00:13:24.060 It's like, finally, we're not just being force fed, non-binary they, thems, advertising
00:13:27.980 genes, because obviously that's not effective.
00:13:29.780 Obviously, we want to see beautiful women, beautiful men modeling things, right?
00:13:33.160 So that's kind of, I'm glad in that sense, it's a win.
00:13:36.660 But then we have to look at it through a different lens.
00:13:38.420 So I kind of switched.
00:13:39.200 I first watched it and I was like, okay, you know, finally, she's hot.
00:13:42.400 It's a cool car.
00:13:43.020 Great.
00:13:43.580 And then I saw the other ads.
00:13:44.480 I think that one's kind of the, you know, the most tame out of all of them.
00:13:47.440 This is a family show, Reagan.
00:13:48.880 I try to keep it real wholesome.
00:13:50.420 So you're right.
00:13:50.920 The others get a little racier.
00:13:52.060 They get a little racier.
00:13:52.720 And I think that that's an important thing to note because if we're just watching the
00:13:55.360 Shelby Mustang, it's hot, cool, whatever.
00:13:57.600 But the other ones, you know, when it focuses down on her chest and then she goes, excuse
00:14:01.040 me, eyes up here.
00:14:02.020 That's, it's obviously, there's more innuendo there.
00:14:03.820 There's more sexual, you know, connotation.
00:14:06.200 And I think that's important to note when we're talking about this.
00:14:09.060 Is that a win for the conservative movement?
00:14:10.840 Yes.
00:14:11.040 We don't want to be prudes.
00:14:11.900 We don't want to, you know, say, oh, well, we can't, I get there.
00:14:14.840 There's that balance we have to find, but there is that sense of, especially, you know,
00:14:17.860 coming from a Christian, is that something that I think is a win for that movement?
00:14:21.840 And I would say not a huge win.
00:14:23.440 It's like, we've gotten back to normal.
00:14:25.180 That's a victory, but we don't want to go into that degeneracy that obviously it's, you
00:14:29.260 know, Sydney's not being crazy degenerate, but it's that line that we have to find
00:14:32.620 and be very careful of.
00:14:33.620 You know, I was just actually watching, literally this morning, Urban Decay just had a new advertisement.
00:14:39.600 I don't know if you guys have seen this yet, but it's a girl.
00:14:41.240 I don't even know who Urban Decay is.
00:14:42.700 Urban Decay is a makeup brand.
00:14:44.320 Okay.
00:14:44.600 And so they just launched.
00:14:46.020 I don't know about the soap with the hole.
00:14:48.020 I don't know about the recent movie.
00:14:50.160 I don't know anything apparently.
00:14:51.400 Michael, it's for the best that you don't, haven't seen this, but this is a girl.
00:14:54.180 She's an OF star.
00:14:55.320 So her advertisement, sexual innuendo, same thing.
00:14:58.960 It literally same cut of a shirt, same amount of cleavage showing.
00:15:01.660 If we're getting specific, because that's what we're talking about here.
00:15:03.800 And she's talking to camera about, you know, buy the makeup and don't be censored.
00:15:07.540 And there's, there's this obviously innuendo again happening.
00:15:10.620 And I watched that and I was like, okay, if I'm going to celebrate the Sydney Sweeney
00:15:13.820 element of this and I've watched the exact same thing, the difference is that this girl
00:15:17.300 is an OF star, but what I'm visually looking at is very similar.
00:15:20.540 And that made me feel even more of like, okay, this isn't a win.
00:15:23.580 Cause if we're going to, if we're talking about conservatives, the new, another woke
00:15:26.340 thing would be celebrating OF stars because that's what Urban Decay is doing.
00:15:30.300 And they're like, see, look at this.
00:15:31.500 And then you have the conservative celebrating that.
00:15:33.140 So there's this weird balance we have to find.
00:15:34.740 But again, woke repackaged, rebranded.
00:15:37.480 We have to be careful of that.
00:15:38.480 And I think this is, look, I agree that it's better to have like beautiful women selling
00:15:44.660 in, in cool cars, selling products than some androgynous weirdo on Mars selling me a Jaguar.
00:15:50.360 But, but okay.
00:15:52.260 That means we've rewound the clock to 1998.
00:15:55.060 A 1998 wasn't that great.
00:15:56.440 I mean, it was a perfectly fine year, but is there, Emily, I guess this question is really
00:16:00.460 for you.
00:16:01.720 Are we as conservatives just trying to get back to the nineties or is there something
00:16:06.680 deeper that we're trying to conserve and restore?
00:16:11.000 I think we're just trying to conserve and restore just sanity.
00:16:15.060 Just being normal.
00:16:16.600 We don't need to go.
00:16:17.380 What does the sanity look like?
00:16:18.320 We don't need to go back.
00:16:20.940 No, normal American girls cannot relate to a, like Savannah said, a 200 pound mixed race,
00:16:28.320 one arm woman.
00:16:29.480 Okay.
00:16:29.760 When I'm buying makeup, when I'm buying skincare, when I'm buying clothing, I want them to look
00:16:34.560 like someone I would either like to look like, or maybe like me.
00:16:37.940 It's just common sense.
00:16:39.300 Like I'd like, we all agree.
00:16:40.980 We'd rather see Sydney Sweeney than all these other people we've seen for years have been
00:16:46.000 shoved down our throat because it's not relatable.
00:16:47.820 And I also think it's positive to have girls looking up to girls that are like actually beautiful
00:16:52.820 and also feminine.
00:16:55.500 The women that have been pushed on us have been extremely masculine.
00:16:58.180 They haven't been feminine.
00:16:59.360 So I think it's a win-win.
00:17:00.580 I think we should just promote good looking people.
00:17:02.260 Like I said, look, if I have to watch movies and TV shows and there's going to be sex scenes,
00:17:06.000 I want to see attractive people.
00:17:07.840 And I want to see straight couples.
00:17:09.200 I think that's normal and what most of America wants.
00:17:11.600 And that's what we're sort of going back to.
00:17:13.240 But when conservatives are having meltdowns in the same way liberals are having meltdowns
00:17:17.760 about this, then it kind of just pushes us back a little bit further.
00:17:20.620 I think she's a sexual looking girl.
00:17:22.780 She's got big tits.
00:17:24.040 She's blessed.
00:17:25.140 Go let her do that.
00:17:26.580 You don't, we don't know her in real life.
00:17:28.140 She's probably just a normal girl.
00:17:29.360 She's not representing conservative media.
00:17:32.040 Okay.
00:17:32.320 Just like let a win be a win.
00:17:34.580 Melanie, are you, are you having a breakdown like a liberal?
00:17:36.840 I wouldn't say that.
00:17:39.540 I think that Christians absolutely need to have standards, but this is just a matter
00:17:43.040 of secular people in the conservative movement.
00:17:45.620 They're going to disagree with Christians in the conservative movement, but with Christian
00:17:50.780 values, I mean, we absolutely should be standing against this stuff.
00:17:53.960 The over-sexualization is part of the slippery slope.
00:17:58.200 That's why we got the Troons.
00:17:59.540 That's why we got the gay stuff.
00:18:00.900 That's Troon is like transgender.
00:18:02.540 I use a lot of lingo, but that's why, that's why we get.
00:18:06.840 All of this stuff because it is a slippery slope.
00:18:09.820 And it's just like, yeah, you want to say this is a win?
00:18:12.400 Well, Satan parades himself as an angel of light.
00:18:15.280 This is, Satan doesn't care if you're a liberal or you're a Republican, but what he does care
00:18:19.860 is if you're celebrating degeneracy, if you're celebrating perversion.
00:18:23.220 And so, yeah.
00:18:23.800 Oh, things got so extreme at one point that now we're going to go back and we're going
00:18:27.540 to accept this perversion.
00:18:28.640 And that's okay because it's not as extreme as this perversion while you're still accepting
00:18:33.260 something from Satan.
00:18:35.000 Now, again, I don't think that all of those ads with Sidney Sweeney were egregious.
00:18:40.160 The one with her with a car, very tame, not a huge deal, but they did get more sexual.
00:18:45.440 And then, again, I just don't like to see conservatives hail Sidney Sweeney as some sort of
00:18:51.060 icon just because liberals don't like her.
00:18:53.920 We do have to have standards.
00:18:55.320 Yeah, so the point you keep coming back to is, you know, a conservatism is either going
00:19:00.380 to be Christian and go all the way and not be inciting lust and not appealing to the
00:19:04.360 prurient interest and not just being this kind of like barstool boomer conservatism of
00:19:09.120 like, you know, eating potato chips and howling at girls, or it's going to be liberalism.
00:19:16.620 And we're always going to be just trailing the liberals five years behind.
00:19:20.980 Yep, that's exactly what it is.
00:19:22.260 It's conservatism will always just be liberals from five or 10 years ago, unless we go to
00:19:27.700 our Christian roots, right?
00:19:29.660 We don't have to take it any further than that.
00:19:31.320 Keep it at your Christian foundation.
00:19:33.540 If conservatism is not Christian, then it's not conservatism anymore.
00:19:36.900 It's just liberalism.
00:19:38.180 You're pretty trad.
00:19:39.000 What do you make of Melanie's argument?
00:19:41.260 I hate that word.
00:19:42.900 Well, I mean, I'm Christian.
00:19:45.020 Well, and I think the two can exist at both times, right?
00:19:48.380 Like maybe she's super over-sexualized.
00:19:51.500 I mean, like Emily said, yeah, I mean, in every single movie, like her tits are out.
00:19:56.540 But at the same time, I'm really glad to see an attractive blonde hair, blue eyed woman
00:20:02.340 back on ads because we didn't have that for so long.
00:20:05.400 For so long, we had to deal with black queens and black is king and, you know, white people
00:20:10.760 suck and go sit in your white privilege and cry about it.
00:20:14.360 And I'm just glad that we have attractive people back on ads.
00:20:17.260 So that's why it's a win in my book, regardless of if she's being over-sexualized.
00:20:21.760 Look, people are always going to over-sexualize certain celebrities.
00:20:25.840 There's always going to be celebrities that take that to their advantage and they make a
00:20:29.440 ton of money from it, no matter how much Christians try to stand up for it.
00:20:33.380 So as Christians, yeah, we can say, look, part of the ad was a little bit over-sexualized.
00:20:38.580 The camera down to her chest and then her saying eyes up here.
00:20:42.000 Or, OK, maybe that was too much.
00:20:44.180 But from a macro perspective, I am just glad that woke is dead and that we're seeing attractive
00:20:49.500 people back in media and in ads.
00:20:51.980 Yeah, but isn't this the point?
00:20:53.240 So I like that Sydney Sweeney is quite beautiful.
00:20:56.480 I like that they're putting her in ads rather than like these weirdo kind of mutilated eunuchs
00:21:02.460 or something.
00:21:02.940 That's great.
00:21:04.120 She's appealing to sex in a normal way.
00:21:09.040 So that's better than appealing to sex in an unnatural way.
00:21:11.400 OK, I'm into that.
00:21:12.360 But as conservatives, shouldn't we be promoting modesty or no?
00:21:18.920 Or Emily, is that or am I just preaching like a church lady and I'm going to lose the
00:21:23.820 culture if we don't show a little skin?
00:21:27.080 No, I'm one of the few Republicans that I'm like, you guys don't have to label me as a
00:21:33.220 conservative, but I'm not religious, which I think a lot more people relate to me than
00:21:37.860 they relate to the people that are religious because I can see nuance.
00:21:41.120 But I'm like, yeah, like we're people are so sexualized now.
00:21:45.600 We live in such a sexual society.
00:21:48.140 The odds of us being able to wring that back, unfortunately, are very unlikely.
00:21:53.600 I also think you can just be feminine and beautiful and at the same time sexy.
00:21:58.000 And that's not lust.
00:21:59.660 That's not sin.
00:22:01.100 I that is not the way I see it at all.
00:22:03.000 I think it's awful because when when I was liberal, when people shamed me and use terminology
00:22:08.300 like that, it pushed me more into being a liberal than just being like, hey, actually just be
00:22:13.340 like beautiful.
00:22:14.140 Be yourself like you can wear sexy things without being sexual.
00:22:18.500 And like, I don't see her as an overly sexual girl.
00:22:22.200 How can you wear sexy things without being sexual?
00:22:24.280 You can wear elegant things.
00:22:25.400 You can wear beautiful things.
00:22:26.540 But can you wear, you know, you're going out in a mini skirt with like a crop top on.
00:22:30.920 Isn't that lusting?
00:22:31.400 I mean, like I wear extremely low cut things.
00:22:34.640 And because the way I look and also my weight and the way I carry myself, it's not extremely
00:22:40.040 sexual.
00:22:40.620 Whereas if you were to have big fake boobs pushed up with crazy hair and makeup, it looks
00:22:44.180 different.
00:22:44.680 I mean, that's also style and a bunch of different things that go along with that.
00:22:47.880 But it's like, I don't think having to like suppress this makes any sense.
00:22:52.940 It's better if we go along with it.
00:22:54.940 And also like when you use Christianity for every single argument, a lot of the country
00:22:58.840 is not Christian.
00:22:59.640 So they're immediately going to not listen to what you have to say.
00:23:02.940 That's why I come at it from a very different perspective.
00:23:05.620 We're still a majority Christian country, though, of different flavors of Christianity.
00:23:09.860 And listen, even if there were only one Christian in the country, I mean, if you think it's the
00:23:14.020 truth, the truth is the truth regardless, even if you stand alone.
00:23:16.820 I just wonder, look, as the only man on this panel, let me mansplain a little bit what's
00:23:22.220 going on.
00:23:22.780 I see an ad with, you know, wacky gender bending people, and I find that repulsive.
00:23:28.260 That's nauseating to me.
00:23:29.720 So I am relieved when I see an ad with a beautiful person.
00:23:34.640 And the fact that in this case, Sidney Sweeney is like showing a little skin or whatever is
00:23:39.800 attractive.
00:23:40.440 And so I get it.
00:23:42.160 It'll probably sell more jeans.
00:23:43.240 But then for me, this creates another problem.
00:23:45.980 Not that I'm nauseated like I was the first time.
00:23:48.300 But now I find myself looking at the Sidney Sweeney ad, you know, maybe the less wholesome
00:23:53.060 one.
00:23:53.520 And maybe I do a little double take or a triple take.
00:23:56.000 All of a sudden, I got to have custody of my eyes and say, hey, I don't want to be thinking
00:23:59.980 about Sidney Sweeney right now.
00:24:01.260 I'm a married man.
00:24:02.100 I'm trying to be virtuous.
00:24:03.060 I don't want to sin in my thoughts and my words and what I do or fail to do.
00:24:06.040 So what about that?
00:24:07.840 Do we want to be getting the young guys or even the elderly 35-year-old guys like me
00:24:13.220 all lusty all the time?
00:24:15.460 Well, I'm glad you can control yourself with all these sexual visuals going around.
00:24:20.140 It's difficult.
00:24:20.240 It's not easy.
00:24:21.040 And I hope all men learn to control themselves because that is what separates us from animals.
00:24:27.080 And I think that's a lot more important of people controlling themselves and being decent
00:24:30.780 humans than this girl who has naturally great, fantastic.
00:24:35.180 But shouldn't women control themselves, too, and dress in a modest and respectable way?
00:24:38.960 Women should control themselves.
00:24:40.480 They shouldn't be trying to lead people to lust.
00:24:43.080 Hold on, Melanie?
00:24:44.960 Yeah, women should control themselves.
00:24:46.500 It's not just, oh, I'm going to act like a prostitute and it's all the men's fault.
00:24:51.100 You know, men can over-sexualize anything, even if there is modesty.
00:24:56.240 And in that case, it is their fault.
00:24:57.860 But it's the woman's fault if she is purposefully acting and dressing and in a way to elicit lust.
00:25:04.680 And let's not pretend like that isn't the case with Sidney Sweeney and what she does and what
00:25:08.800 she's paid for.
00:25:10.160 So, yeah, that's a problem.
00:25:11.600 And we should.
00:25:12.240 And it's not even my concern about winning the culture war.
00:25:15.860 My concern is standing for the truth, even if I'm the only person standing for the truth.
00:25:20.280 So it doesn't matter if, oh, this is going to push more people away because they aren't
00:25:23.980 Christians.
00:25:24.700 Well, my goal as a Christian is to share the word of God with the world.
00:25:28.100 The people who accept it are going to the people who don't, won't.
00:25:31.840 But I'm going to stand for the truth and I'm going to stand for what's important, regardless
00:25:35.680 of how many people will agree with me.
00:25:37.720 That's great.
00:25:38.720 Respect that.
00:25:40.000 As someone who is a commentator in the right wing space, my goal is to win the culture war
00:25:45.320 because that's how we win elections.
00:25:47.120 And my goal is always going to be to win elections.
00:25:50.680 That way, I don't have to listen to how Dylan Mulvaney is woman of the year for four years.
00:25:55.620 No, but isn't, I think Melanie's point is that it would be a Pyrrhic victory.
00:25:59.500 I think Melanie's point is you can win, if you think that the way you win the culture
00:26:03.600 war is by behaving like a liberal from the 90s or 2000s and saying, look, it's a new day
00:26:09.680 and we can't go back to how conservatives used to be.
00:26:11.780 So we're going to win by promoting lusty sexuality and fornication and secularism and
00:26:17.320 all the rest.
00:26:18.000 Well, at that point, have you really won?
00:26:20.500 Haven't you just won a Pyrrhic victory for the people who were supposed to be your opponents?
00:26:23.860 No, that's not what we're promoting.
00:26:26.500 We're promoting a hot, blonde, white woman.
00:26:29.540 The commercial is sexual.
00:26:31.080 It crushed.
00:26:31.740 They're what, up 20% in stocks?
00:26:33.740 And yeah, that's a good start.
00:26:35.900 Well, there you go.
00:26:36.420 She probably made them what, a couple hundred million maybe?
00:26:38.380 Yeah, in one day.
00:26:39.200 Market cap went up 200 million bucks.
00:26:40.660 Okay, so all the liberals had to do was to get really extreme and then they made conservatives
00:26:45.860 become liberals from 20 years ago.
00:26:48.440 So what's next?
00:26:49.340 Next, are they going to just push bestiality and we're going to see furries in every ad and so
00:26:52.960 now conservatives are going to embrace Dylan Mulvaney because at least it's a human.
00:26:57.340 Is that what we're going to do?
00:26:58.400 Reagan, is that what's going to happen?
00:26:59.680 We're going to win.
00:26:59.880 You know, I just, I think we already know that sex sells.
00:27:02.200 So there's nothing revolutionary here in the fact that this is, you know, they earned
00:27:05.000 300 million dollars in a day.
00:27:06.600 I think like, of course, of course they did.
00:27:08.440 Now the question is, again, what is the conservative's job?
00:27:11.000 Are we conserving what was 10, 15, frankly, 20, 30 years ago?
00:27:15.180 Or are we trying to also, in addition to conserving what is good and right, also then try to be
00:27:20.940 a beacon for something better, right?
00:27:22.580 Create a better future.
00:27:23.640 So would I want my daughters consuming that?
00:27:25.940 Is that as if I'm trying to think like a conservative, I'm trying to think of what is that future
00:27:29.240 going to look like?
00:27:30.060 And frankly, I don't think that is an inherent win.
00:27:32.640 And we have to find that balance.
00:27:33.720 Like Emily was saying, you know, we don't want to be the prudes.
00:27:36.100 We don't want to be the ones that just lose culture completely because we're unwilling
00:27:38.860 to, you know, bend and grow.
00:27:41.280 But at the same time, there are the biblical truths or truths that I believe in that kind
00:27:44.680 of over, not kind of, they do oversee that and finding that balance.
00:27:48.660 I think that's the, especially as a conservative Christian, that's that balance we have to
00:27:51.160 find.
00:27:51.580 But I go back to that ad.
00:27:52.760 And again, I go back then to the OF star that did the exact, very similar ad days before.
00:27:57.880 And I look at those two.
00:27:59.700 There's something, there's other things besides, again, just winning woke that we have to talk
00:28:03.620 about.
00:28:04.000 And we know that another issue within wokeism is OF and is promiscuity and that they're pushing,
00:28:09.720 they're force-feeding us that as well, in addition to the non-binary.
00:28:12.360 So we win the non-binaries, we have to still win the OF and get that gone.
00:28:18.180 And so I think there's two conversations that can be had.
00:28:20.940 This is my question, I guess.
00:28:21.920 I think I've become a prude over time.
00:28:24.200 I don't know.
00:28:24.500 I mean, you know, prudence is the chief political virtue.
00:28:26.280 So maybe it's not so bad to be a prude.
00:28:28.340 But the question is, what are we aiming at?
00:28:32.740 Like your point, Emily, you say, look, I want to win elections and I'm with you.
00:28:35.740 The winners go to Washington, the losers go home.
00:28:37.660 We got to win.
00:28:38.300 You don't win by losing.
00:28:40.540 Politics often leads culture.
00:28:42.580 Culture can be downstream of politics.
00:28:44.460 I'm all for that.
00:28:46.360 For what?
00:28:47.480 For what?
00:28:48.220 What are we doing?
00:28:49.060 What are we after?
00:28:49.840 What's the, what are we trying to win?
00:28:52.220 I think we're trying to win everything across the board.
00:28:54.800 I think we're trying to have-
00:28:55.620 What is, what's it look like when we win?
00:28:57.340 It's normal again.
00:28:58.440 I mean, it will, like the past four years have been insane.
00:29:01.800 I mean, when it comes to Sidney Sweeney, like I have talked about, and I'm not scared to talk
00:29:05.880 about it, the like anti-white hate against the country.
00:29:08.880 The way like if you're a blonde, white, beautiful woman, apparently all of us come from money
00:29:13.400 and we've never suffered through anything.
00:29:14.740 And we deserve to be taken out of everything, movies, commercials.
00:29:18.520 We're not allowed to have anyone represent us.
00:29:20.340 And we're just awful people.
00:29:21.940 And we deserve bad things to happen to us.
00:29:24.380 I mean, I want all of this gone.
00:29:26.360 That's why I'm like, if we can see ads like this and see beautiful white women in movies
00:29:29.800 and models who actually should have jobs modeling, like not everything's supposed to be inclusive.
00:29:35.200 And I think we can get back to more of a normal place.
00:29:37.440 And I think that's better for young girls to grow up.
00:29:39.640 I'd rather my daughter looking at Sidney Sweeney in a commercial than freaking Dylan Mulvaney.
00:29:44.080 Sorry.
00:29:45.000 But also, I just want things to be more normal.
00:29:47.240 Both white, in fairness.
00:29:48.400 But Dylan Mulvaney's a very good guy.
00:29:49.340 And also, just to jump in there, I don't think those aren't the only two options, though.
00:29:53.280 You know, too, I think that there's...
00:29:54.240 Exactly.
00:29:55.100 Oh, God, that's not the only two options.
00:29:57.160 But you're presenting them as two options.
00:29:58.940 And what I'm trying to say is that there can also be elegance.
00:30:01.300 And we can make that cool again if we're using the phrases.
00:30:04.960 I mean, we absolutely can.
00:30:07.060 Emily's an elegance doubter.
00:30:09.120 Just bring in Sharia law.
00:30:10.360 It's fine.
00:30:11.200 Absolutely not.
00:30:12.220 Completely different things.
00:30:13.620 Completely different.
00:30:15.060 I'm not calling for a full burqa, but a tasteful abaya is not the worst thing.
00:30:19.600 Ever.
00:30:20.760 It's all leftist hyperbole.
00:30:22.360 It's like, oh, if you don't agree with me, then, oh, we're bringing Sharia law.
00:30:25.280 It's like, oh, let's go to the extremes when that's not what we're saying at all.
00:30:28.460 Because you're talking about being sexual.
00:30:29.840 It's like, well, a man could think you with your chest and shoulders out is sexual.
00:30:33.060 So as a good Christian, why don't you cover yourself then?
00:30:35.560 Like, why do you have tattoos as a Christian?
00:30:37.600 Like, all these things.
00:30:38.380 Like, there's so much room for nuance, but you don't leave any.
00:30:41.960 I'm the one in the space leaving that.
00:30:44.040 Well, this isn't a nuanced thing.
00:30:47.920 This Sydney Sweeney discussion isn't a nuanced thing.
00:30:50.720 This is somebody who actually sells sex toy soaps.
00:30:53.540 If it's just like, oh, okay, you have a problem with my tattoos.
00:30:56.140 You have a problem with my dress.
00:30:57.440 Okay.
00:30:57.780 That's a discussion I'm willing to have with you.
00:30:59.940 But this is a more nuanced situation than somebody advertising sex soaps.
00:31:05.480 Yeah, and also, again, I'm just saying to believe that we can't do even better than Sydney Sweeney with her tits out is, that's not true for society.
00:31:14.660 And I'm saying that we can do better than that, too, in the future.
00:31:17.020 Like, we can get there.
00:31:18.300 And that doesn't mean Sharia law by any means.
00:31:20.940 It means not that at all.
00:31:22.880 But we can still do better.
00:31:24.120 That's all.
00:31:24.300 We are not clicking these days.
00:31:26.420 That's okay.
00:31:28.160 Savannah, you're the most covered up person on this panel.
00:31:30.960 I don't see even a square inch of your shoulders.
00:31:33.360 Do you think that these calls for modesty are going to herald Sharia law?
00:31:38.960 I mean, listen, I think modesty is really subjective in today's day and age.
00:31:42.860 Somebody could look at me wearing a tank top just because my shoulders are out and say, well, that's not modest.
00:31:47.700 But then I could ask my husband, hey, do you think this is modest enough?
00:31:51.220 And he could say, yeah, I mean, all that's out is your shoulders.
00:31:55.220 But, I mean, people comment all the time.
00:31:56.960 If I'm wearing a tank top, they say that I'm not covered up enough as a Christian.
00:32:00.460 So, I think it's a heart posture when it comes to modesty.
00:32:03.940 If I'm purposely dressing and thinking in my head, okay, all of these men are going to lust after me when I go out.
00:32:10.440 And they're all going to think that my tits look good and whatever.
00:32:13.600 Then that would be a problem because that's a heart posture.
00:32:16.100 But people are going to sexualize everything.
00:32:18.580 You could be someone who just posts a video of you talking with your face on Instagram.
00:32:24.020 And if you're an attractive woman, you're going to get sexualized.
00:32:27.680 Or an attractive man.
00:32:28.580 That's just the picture we live in.
00:32:30.220 Yeah, but listen, I think.
00:32:32.300 Why are you laughing?
00:32:33.260 Why are you not laughing?
00:32:34.160 I think there's too much outrage on both sides.
00:32:37.660 I mean, we have such bigger issues to talk about than a Sydney Sweeney ad.
00:32:44.060 All I'm saying is that I'm glad that white, beautiful women are back in ads because I personally dealt with it.
00:32:49.820 I have so many friends who are models who lost jobs, who pretty much lost their career from 2020 to 2024 because they were not getting booked for things because they had blonde hair, blue eyes, and they were white and petite.
00:33:02.700 So, look, it's a win in that way.
00:33:05.320 The outrage on both sides.
00:33:06.820 We're addicted to outrage.
00:33:08.760 It's a dopamine hit.
00:33:10.720 And it's just a dumb thing to get mad about, in my opinion.
00:33:14.020 Listen, I'm going to synthesize all of these points.
00:33:17.400 I think the Sydney Sweeney ad is a step in the right direction.
00:33:21.520 I welcome Sydney Sweeney to become a great card-carrying member of the American right, especially if she sticks with the first ad and maybe not with the later ads, you know, because modesty is all right.
00:33:33.080 And there are a lot of reasons to criticize Muslims, but the tasteful headscarves are not one of them.
00:33:37.480 Ladies, thank you so much for coming on.
00:33:39.720 Wonderful to see all of you again.
00:33:41.940 Very interesting.
00:33:43.040 This is Melanie and Reagan, really, versus Emily and Savannah.
00:33:47.460 And then me.
00:33:47.940 I don't know where am I.
00:33:49.480 I don't know.
00:33:49.980 I don't know.
00:33:50.660 I apparently don't know anything about pop culture.
00:33:53.620 So I'll stick with my Costco soap and see all of you later.