Religion FACE-OFF： Michael Knowles Vs Megan Basham
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Summary
When shadowy figures like George Soros infiltrate and attack evangelical churches, the appropriate response is to bash them. When fed-left liberals spy on Latin mass Catholic churchgoers, we bash them; when French degenerates mock the Last Supper, we blast them. And when someone who knows all about this is Meghan Basham, who has been bashing them for years, we'll find out who knows more about religion.
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This is poor sportsmanship, Michael. I'm just saying.
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It's still a functioning... Listen to this guy.
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When shadowy figures like George Soros infiltrate and attack evangelical churches,
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When fed liberals spy on Latin mass Catholic churchgoers, we bash them.
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And when French degenerates mock the Last Supper, we bash them.
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And someone who knows all about this is Megan Basham, who's been bashing them for years.
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Now, Michael Knowles and Megan both know all about Basham Lives,
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That was the lamest pun you could have possibly opened with.
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You, truly, you just, you took that pun and you wielded it as a club over that dead horse on the
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ground and you just kept... We have a wonderful guest, Megan Basham, and you would blow it on
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that terrible pun. We have this wonderful guest who has this great book out, Shepherds for Sale,
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New York Times, bestseller, Taking the Country by Storm. I have done nothing to prepare,
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including reading the book because I just received my copy and I'm very excited to read this book.
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Meg, thank you for being on my show. And Ben, thank you for inviting me onto my own show.
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Thank you for having me. I'm a little bit trepidatious here, but I do feel that my Arizona
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state pedigree might be a little intimidating to you, Michael. I don't know if you know this.
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We are known as the Harvard of the Southwest. So hopefully, you know, that sterling education
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Well, I believe it. Thank you. And actually, it occurs to me, thinking of the present state
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of Yale, that I think in order to be admitted to Yale Divinity School today, you have to be an
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atheist. So, you know, the religious education, a little bit weak up in New Haven. We'll see how
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The winner will get a 30-second commercial for either why you should watch their show or
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Number one, behind Christianity and Islam, what is the third most common belief in the world?
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A. Buddhism. B. Sikhism. C. Hinduism. D. Secular Atheist.
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Since India overtook China, what last year is the most populous country in the world, I'm going with
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This is very recent. By 0.2, now non-religious, atheist, secular, has now passed Hinduism worldwide.
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Number two, how many books were included in the original Gutenberg Bible, the first major
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book printed using the movable type? Is it A, 66? B, 72? C, 73? D, 80?
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I was torn between 72 and 73 because it kind of hinges on how you score one of the books,
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73 books. This followed the Catholic canon at the time.
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Yeah. And at the present time, too, by the way. It hasn't changed since certain people
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took some books out, but, you know, we stick by Gutenberg.
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It kind of depends on how you score a book, but yeah, 73.
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All right, number three, the Kaaba, a shrine located near the center of the Great Mosque
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One unique feature is a relic built into the wall in the eastern corner.
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C, a rock carried out of the Garden of Eden by Adam?
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D, a jewel given by the angel Gabriel to Mohammed?
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When am I going to get my purpose-driven life Rick Warren evangelical question?
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We'll get to the Protestant softball questions here later.
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There was one time I was traveling around the Middle East.
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I was visiting a friend in Dubai, and we kind of went all over to Oman and Beirut,
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and I really wanted to get into Saudi Arabia, but it turns out it's difficult to get in.
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So I didn't get to see the Kaaba, didn't go to Chop Chop Square.
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I went with a total stab in the dark of Abraham's staff.
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What's most impressive about this question is I made up all of them,
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except for one, the correct one, which was a rock carried out by Adam in the Garden of Eden,
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Yeah. Well, it's hard to see now because it's been rubbed on so many times,
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you can't really see the area, but you should Google it.
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It's hard to see because there's like 10 zillion people there all kind of circling around,
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so you got to like peek over their heads and stuff, you know?
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You did good because that one seemed like the least likely to me.
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Number four, according to Pew Research Center and the Public Religion Research Institute,
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which is currently the fastest growing Christian denomination in America,
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is it A, Roman Catholicism, B, Evangelicalism or Protestantism,
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C, Pentecostalism, D, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Mormon?
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This is a really tricky one because it plays into other political questions,
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I said C, Pentecostalism, in part because of the immigrants,
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who you'd expect them to be Catholic because they're Latin American,
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I thought Evangelicalism was like waning right now.
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Okay, so here's, it has been, and here's why I didn't go with that.
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But here's what, I can see it because apparently since Trump,
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a lot of people have started identifying as Evangelicals,
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though they don't go to church and they're not really involved in their faith.
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And they don't like believe in God or like pray or anything.
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I was shocked to find there is actually a number you can throw up.
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I actually did double check this because our, you know, Orthodox Jewish associate producer
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I have 72 because I figure if that's the number of virgins you're supposed to get, then it
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doesn't seem like if that's heaven that you should get more on earth.
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That sounds very technical and ungentlemanly, Michael.
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There was one time I was on that trip through the Middle East.
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I was in, I think it was the Sharjah Airport in the UAE.
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And I'm walking around with an Indian buddy of mine.
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And we see there's a guy dressed up in traditional Arab garb.
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The guy's going on like a big family trip with his wife and maybe his sisters.
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And my Indian friend reminded me that it was more sister wives than wife and sisters.
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You kind of bring, the whole family can just be, you know, the marriage.
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Saddleback is tricky, though, because, you know, he claims Rick Warren to have trained like a million pastors.
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But if anybody has ever attended one of his seminars, he says he has trained them as a pastor.
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And they have these weird campuses all over the world that are not technically churches.
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They're just people who get together and watch videos.
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But I think they count them as their international campuses.
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I believe it's the congregation of the people that would tune in live or digitally now.
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No, you know, it wouldn't be people just like reading the same Bible study somewhere.
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It's like you have to actually be like in that denomination.
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You can only fill up so many things in that giant, what is it, the Cowboy Stadium, whatever.
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The only one, I'd heard of Rick Warren and then obviously I've heard of Joel Osteen
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because he's on TV all the time and, you know, has that big, those big pearly whites.
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But I, wow, I thought he was, I thought he had the biggest single, you know, church group
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So there's a lot of pretty impressive churches.
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I think that's, that's like a standalone church too.
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Number seven, according to his CBS interview, what is George Soros' religious belief?
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There are like a lot of punchlines here that I probably can't get away with.
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We're going to stay on YouTube for once, like for one of these episodes.
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I'm wondering if it's a trick question because, I mean, I think it's pretty well known he's
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I'm going to be more specific, even at the risk of getting canceled.
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But does the Judaism not, like it doesn't color any of his?
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I did not see Jewish atheists come up in my search.
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I was a fake sommelier there back when I was an actor.
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No, this is actually the first, I mean, there were a ton of prominent libs at this thing.
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And I had already worked in politics, but I was working, you know, as an actor, I got
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a casting call for what was a, seemed like a theatrical event.
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And I only figured out it was for Soros because they asked what languages I spoke.
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He's like one of five people who speak that language.
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And, but it's, it's one of the first things that made me think, maybe George Soros doesn't
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control the world because the fact that they would hire me, I had already been pretty active
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Maybe he's just like a really rich guy who messes around, but he's not omnipotent or something.
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That was a butterfly effect moment that you may have missed, Michael.
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You might've saved the world if you had intervened in some way in George Soros's life.
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You're saying I've got the sommelier corkscrew and a trip or something like that.
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I don't, I'm just saying, you know, there was a moment of destiny there that you may
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It, it, it did occur to me when I was thinking about the security of it.
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I said, no, no, that's, you know, let's say it's, we'll let things play out in the moral
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Does that technically make you a diversity cast too?
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That happened actually once for me because I was auditioning for an Olympic commercial
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and it was all black guys and me and they couldn't in good conscious cast only black
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And so I was the one white guy and the only one you saw the whole time on the four by
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one scene, which would never happen ever in the real world.
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Number eight in the Marvel universe, which Avenger is Protestant?
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However, this came back into the public fold in 2012 with the first Avengers movie.
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I feel like I'm going to be really upset that I'm not thinking of it, but.
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I've seen like half an Avengers movie, uh, you know, I, no, I, maybe I've seen, but I
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Michael, can you name the Avengers for me real quick?
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Uh, you got, uh, uh, Donald, Pluto, Mickey, Popeye.
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I've seen all of them and there's been too many and it all just kind of starts to blur
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together in my mind now that I'm like, I remember no single detail.
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I would, I would just assume, assume Captain America is Protestant.
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And I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress like that.
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That's, I couldn't tell if I was like over, was there like a deeper answer to, but no,
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There's a lot of, you know, America's pretty Protestant.
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If you actually look this up, there is like 300 different comic book characters from Marvel
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and it lists specifically the different religions around the world and they're all very diverse
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No, there's tons of other ones, but the Avengers themselves.
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He's gotta be, he's probably Protestant, right?
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The Latter-day Saint canon consists of several books, the Bible, and how many other texts?
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Are you counting the individual parts of the Book of Mormon or just the Book of Mormon?
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There's no way I'm going to try to, like, make you guys name these because it's a little wordy.
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In addition to the Book of Mormon or including the Book of Mormon?
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I said it's the Bible including these other texts.
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I think it's the Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price, and Doctrines and Covenants.
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The correct answer is three, and somehow Michael Knowles is a closet Mormon and knows all of these.
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I was going to say, Michael knew the names of the...
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I actually, as you just alluded to, Megan, I do have to thank Mike Lee for some of my LDS
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education, but also I sort of cheated in that I went to Utah, what, like five months ago
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or something, and someone gave me, they call it a triple or something.
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It's, and it's all three books in one collection with my name engraved on it.
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That was a layup that I completely forgot about.
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According to the Catholic News Agency, which country has the least number of Catholics?
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If it makes you feel better, you know, look, a lot of this, it's all in, it's all in Providence,
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But I have been getting creamed, Megan, like for the, of the last five, I think, like the
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I'm glad I could be here to restore your manly confidence, Michael.
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You get all the, the Mormon question, the Muslims.
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Which of these countries has the same number of Protestants living there as Vatican City?
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Is it A. Somalia, B. Turkmenistan, C. Bosnia, or D. Maldives?
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Which country has zero Christians or zero Protestants?
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Yeah, which country has the same number of Protestants living there as Vatican City?
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Is it Somalia, Turkmenistan, Bosnia, or the Maldives?
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The thing about Protestants is they'll go, like, anywhere.
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So I'm actually surprised that there is any country where one's not, like, sneaking around, converting people.
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There's probably some people off the books doing this.
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I mean, you know, most, a lot of Protestants are evangelical, and evangelicals evangelize.
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Even though I know a Protestant who has been sneaking in and out of Turkmenistan for some time now,
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That was my other choice again, but I went with the other one, Somalia.
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Yeah, I have some other right answers, just like a couple, but.
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So what is the largest Catholic church in America?
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Is it A, oh, man, it's going to be hard to pronounce.
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A, the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception.
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Wow, I would have said like St. Pat's or something, so I actually don't.
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Sure, Michael, for you, I'll go through this again.
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A, Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception.
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Okay, I think it's got to be the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels.
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Unless it's, Cathedral Basilica is like a cathedral that also has a basilica or that is a basilica.
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It's when Our Lady was preserved from the stain of original sin by a singular grace of her son.
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And the cathedral that we're talking about is, I don't know, I guess I'd say of Our Lady of the Angels.
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It's the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington, D.C.,
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which covers an area of 77,000 square feet and has a capacity of 10,000 people.
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You guys see the Sacred Heart, the Basilica of the Sacred Heart one.
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I thought my answer had Immaculate Conception in it.
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You want to hear, talk about not fulfilling my duties as a Catholic.
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I've been to Washington, D.C. a billion times in my life.
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Have you been in the second largest, which is the Angels one you guessed?
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It is one of the ugliest buildings the church has ever made.
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The bishop, it was Bishop Mahoney who built it, and they call it the Taj Mahoney.
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There was so much horrific church architecture starting in the 70s, and this is, like, the crown jewel in bad architectural taste.
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And I can't wait for the church to build a new one.
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I know it's hard for you to travel all over the world and see the beautiful office buildings erected in respect to the Protestant faith.
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I know that's difficult for you Catholics, but.
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There's a nice sort of utilitarian chic to it, you know?
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Just from the photos I've seen, when we get back to DC, Michael, we should check it out because the building looks spectacular.
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Number 13, which X-Men character is Catholic, who was also one of the stars of X-Men 2 in 2003, grossing over $400 million?
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You're saying the actor's Catholic or the character's Catholic?
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And it was pretty overtly Catholic throughout the entire movie.
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I agreed to do a religion face-off, and you're giving me all these stupid comic book movies that I don't know anything about.
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Like, it's pretty important to know which one of these figures is Catholic.
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I'm hoping that I just said a name that is actually in this film.
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X-Men 2 is, sneaky, the best one of the X-Men movies.
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He is the opening sequence of the movie where he attacks the president, and he also tries to convert Storm, played by Halle Berry.
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You got one of the characters correct, for sure.
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And I couldn't remember the name of the werewolf Hugh Jackman character, but then I was reminded it's Wolverine.
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Which major world religion currently has claimed to the tallest religious statue in the world?
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Definitely ain't the Buddhas that the Taliban took down.
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I'm just going to say I'm going for the home team with Christ the Redeemer.
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Not that I'm going, I'm not for him, but I'm like, I think that's, I'm going to say that's the big one.
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All right, Paul, can you scroll for a second because there's two different Buddha ones and I'll make sure you got it right.
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Spring Temple Buddha, China, which stands 420 feet high.
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Because they're kind of, the Buddhas are kind of plump, you know?
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Literally this, like yesterday, I saw a picture of a person like next to Christ the Redeemer to show the perspective.
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What is the largest building constructed for worship of any religion in the world?
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C, the Great Mosque of Mecca, Saudi Arabia, Islam.
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The Jetavanamaya, Stupa in Sri Lanka for Buddhism.
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I haven't thought about the Jetavanamaya of Sri Lanka in a long time.
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A, St. Peter's Basilica, Vatican City, which is a Christian place.
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The Great Mosque of Mecca, Masajid Al-Kharam, Saudi Arabia, Islam.
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The Jetavanamaya, Stupa, Sri Lanka of Buddhism.
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How do you, yeah, how do you translate that into English?
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I kind of remember the mosques I've seen are gigantic.
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Just for reference, too, the second largest, what we would, like the largest Christian one,
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Vatican City, is approximately 15,000 square meters.
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Well, listen, don't forget, I come from Pilgrim Stock.
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Well, even though I had that little Protestant fake-out about the Mayflower in New England,
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I know that it's actually in St. Augustine, Florida.
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So the Catholics, actually, it's the oldest standing one.
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The first church was originally built in Jamestown in 1607, but then it's no longer standing.
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I mean, I don't know why that didn't come up in my research.
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So listen, you're going to have to go fact check.
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You're going to get judges involved and everything.
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Yeah, this is, first of all, we need a reliable host of this show who is not going to try to
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But we're just going to put a, we'll put a pin in here.
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Because look, maybe you'll say, no, actually it was, you know, mystically transported somewhere
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else and it's this thing in Mexico or whatever.
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But I still think there's a good shot at St. Augustine.
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Let's get the fact checkers in the control room on it right now.
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Yeah, it needs to be a standing, functioning church, ladies and gentlemen.
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In the Jewish faith, the Talmud is studied at a rate of one page per day in a process
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How long does it take to complete the entire Talmud?
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You're saying it only took me half this amount of time to read the Talmud.
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No, I just, I'm from New York and I know a lot of Jews.
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Even though what's funny, most of the, virtually all the Jews I knew growing up probably never
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read a single letter of the Talmud because it's all the Orthodox in Brooklyn that do it.
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I thought it was seven and a half, but I didn't want to go over.
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Even to keep yourself safe from the going over.
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I'm trying to think the first time I met a non-Jew in my life.
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And how old was Aisha, the wife of the Prophet Muhammad, when they were married?
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I don't know if this is when they were married.
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Not to be confused when their marriage was consummated.
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When was the Bible with the 66 books proposed, which is recognized by most Protestant denominations today?
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Or D, 1647 A.D. after the Westminster Assembly?
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It was proposed that these should be canonized.
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But even at the councils that actually canonized the Bible, they would have been, even with the 73 books, those 66 would have been proposed.
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It was first brought up of these specific 66 books.
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But they were brought up in the ancient councils as well as the modern.
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There's been years where there's more or less books also recognized in the Catholic Church.
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Yeah, this is going to be a trick question because it's going to rely on, like, you know, Bishop Billy suggested this as an idea.
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And even if it was rejected by the council, you could still say, well, it was proposed at some ancient council.
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But I'm going to go with a post-reformation event.
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The answer is B, 367 AD by Anathias of Alexandria.
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In 367 AD, he listed the 66 books in his Festile Letter, which corresponds to the canon recognized by the most Protestant denominations today.
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This occurred 15 years before the Council of Rome in 382, where Pope Demius I proposed these 72 books of the Catholic Bible.
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This is Bishop Billy stuff because you're literally saying, like, some guy wrote it in a letter.
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But, okay, we're not talking about councils or synods.
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We may not be ready for that answer, but neither one of you got it.
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So, currently, Michael Knowles is your champion.
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However, there is always a chance on the Michael Knowles show, which means there is a bonus question
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where you can go all in, double or nothing, on one more question that I hope is very neutral to both parties here
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of being a mackerel-snapping papist and being a radical evangelical person like Megan Basham.
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I, so I have no incentive whatsoever to wager my winnings because I've already won.
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You have the incentive of a great time, Michael, and you'll get to hear this question, and the audience will get to guess along with you.
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Can I hear the question even if I just keep my win?
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Because in the past, you've let me do that sometimes, but you're not letting me do that this time.
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You've been freeloading for too long, all right?
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So maybe this didn't work out the last time I did one of these, but let's do it.
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St. Thomas traveled from Jerusalem to what is now Shani, formerly Madras, India, where he was martyred around 72 AD.
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Now, how many miles did St. Thomas travel to accomplish this?
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How many miles is that from Jerusalem to where he's martyred in India?
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I was just right across the little tip of India from where St. Thomas, I think actually St. Thomas, I thought he was martyred in Kerala and then is buried in Chennai.
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But nevertheless, I made this journey back in December for my buddy's wedding that was down in Kerala.
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This is as the crow flies or this is his actual journey?
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This is, I just had to, I just had to Google these two locations and like how many miles is in between these.
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Yeah, because like, I don't know if he, as if you do walk, you go by ship or something.
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I did look up how many, how long it would take to walk this and it's not as long as you think, actually.
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Because I feel that St. Thomas would walk 10,000 miles and walk 10,000 more.
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I'm going to say, even though I think it's more than this, I'm saying 3,500 miles.
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Based on Google, Michael Knowles is still your champion, ladies and gentlemen.
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I, I had a lot riding on this because St. Thomas is my confirmation saint.
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And because I was a punk, like atheist, 13-year-old when I got confirmed, I, in retrospect, I don't even really know if I was thinking of Thomas the Apostle or St. Thomas Aquinas.
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But Thomas means twins, so there's something kind of fitting about that.
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But had I blown it, having just been in this place like eight months ago, I would feel like a big jerk.
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And Ben, I'm glad that your questions really excluded our friend Megan's expertise for her best-selling book and made it about a bunch of weird Muslim stuff.
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What I wrote about was in there, but, but I also feel that, um, that this was rather elitist, and I'm going to tell you why.
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And I did happen to note that his world travels very much played into his expertise on some of these things.
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So clearly, I need more time off and a larger salary so that I can do more traveling.
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The real trick I have found, a great way to accommodate world travel, is just convince Daily Wire you've got to, like, get important content or whatever, you know, in, like, Timbuktu.
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I need to work on my scamming skills, so that's what I learned here today.
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We can't help Michael's salary today, though, by giving him a 30-second commercial for why people should watch The Michael Knowles Show.
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Well, you know, despite Michael's deficient religious education in knowing that St. Augustine was not the oldest church in America,
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I think we can say that he clearly needs that kind of audience to support him so that he's able to rush up and bone up on some of his religious bona fides.
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But he is a gentleman and a scholar, and we want him to continue being a scholar.
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So I encourage everyone to throw poor Michael Knowles a bone, watch his show every now and again.
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And, you know, I wouldn't want to violate having won by doing a plug for Meg's show and writing and all that stuff.
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But since it's not in the rules of it, I can plug the book, Shepherds for Sale.
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If you don't have this book yet, you're one of the few people in America that does not have this book yet.
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Even the New York Times was forced to acknowledge it, which is quite a feat.
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And as for Ben Davies, don't find him anywhere.
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And if you haven't already, like he said, get your copy of Shepherds for Sale, How the Evangelical Church Leaders Traded Truth for Leftist Agenda.
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Now, please let us know in the comments section who you'd like to see and what topic to cover in the next episode of Face Off.
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Well, if you want to get more charm, wit, wisdom, a beautiful jawline, sultry, smooth, dulcet tones, as well as insight into the news and politics and culture and everything, you've got to tune into the Michael Knowles Show.