The Michael Knowles Show - Renovation By Arson and The Immigration Crisis ｜ JD Vance

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00:00:30.000 There are two ways to come out of Yale.

00:00:37.640 For most people, they go in liberal and they leave even more liberal.

00:00:43.480 Some people go in conservative and they leave more liberal.

00:00:48.280 And some people, I would put myself in this category, go in kind of conservative and end

00:00:54.220 up to the right of Genghis Khan because you see what is wrong with the American establishment

00:00:59.320 and the liberal ruling class.

00:01:02.200 One of the most exciting political candidates on the right right now is running for Senate

00:01:07.340 in Ohio.

00:01:08.560 His name is J.D. Vance.

00:01:10.100 You would know him from his book, Hillbilly Elegy.

00:01:12.480 It was a best-selling book, became a big movie, and talked about this chasm between the American

00:01:17.920 ruling class and the working classes and the left-behind Americans and the deplorables and 1.00

00:01:24.660 the irredeemables or whatever word you want to call them.

00:01:27.300 And J.D. has gone through a lot of these elite institutions and he is running one of the most

00:01:33.340 populist campaigns in the country.

00:01:36.080 So here to talk about it is J.D. Vance.

00:01:38.160 J.D., thanks for coming on.

00:01:39.660 Thanks for having me.

00:01:40.260 So you are, you and maybe a handful of other candidates, Blake Masters would be one of them,

00:01:46.040 some others as well, are being considered the symbols of the new right, not the same

00:01:53.280 old tired platitudes of the past 20 years where the most important thing is just cutting taxes

00:01:59.260 and letting woke corporations and elites destroy the country, but actually standing up and doing

00:02:04.840 something about that and bringing corporations into line, rethinking trade policy, rethinking

00:02:09.040 family policy, rethinking all of that.

00:02:12.480 What is the new right to you?

00:02:16.720 Yeah, you know, good question.

00:02:18.800 I mean, I'd probably give five or ten different answers if you gave me long enough, but I guess

00:02:25.440 basically it's, you sort of alluded to it in the question, which is that we have to rethink

00:02:29.700 the role that corporations play in our system of government and in our basic constitutional

00:02:36.660 republic, and we as conservatives have to wake up to the fact that for pretty much, you

00:02:41.440 know, certainly all of my life, and I think people who are, I'm 37, people even who are

00:02:46.560 much older than I am, all of their life, that the Republican Party, the conservative movement

00:02:50.940 has been the movement of big business, and yet we find ourselves in a situation where big

00:02:55.680 business is aggressively and actively aligned against the things that we care the most about.

00:03:01.500 They are, you know, very much into critical race theory.

00:03:05.300 They're forcing it down the throats of their employees, just the same way that public schools

00:03:08.620 are forcing it down the throats of our children.

00:03:11.340 When states do pass common sense election reform or pro-life legislation, it is very often the

00:03:17.560 woke corporations that are the biggest and most aggressive pushbacks against it.

00:03:21.500 And of course, and you think of our most famous and most important liberty, the First

00:03:25.400 Amendment right to free speech, it is corporate America, especially the big technology companies

00:03:29.800 that are the single biggest threats to that right.

00:03:32.420 And unless we actually fight back against those corporate interests, the liberties that

00:03:36.760 made this country worthwhile to live in for two centuries will slowly disappear, and they

00:03:40.960 already are.

00:03:41.440 So if the biggest enemy of the squishy right of the past 20, 30 years was big government, big

00:03:48.300 government is the cause of all problems.

00:03:50.440 And any other institution in the country is way downstream or not a big threat at all.

00:03:56.460 You're saying that for the new right, the real primary target is big corporation.

00:04:02.520 Yeah, I mean, I would say big corporation working in concert with big government.

00:04:06.420 Obviously, these things, I mean, you know, one of the arguments that I would make is it's

00:04:09.120 very hard to tell when our woke corporate class stops and when our woke government class begins.

00:04:15.260 And so when you have somebody like Jen Psaki, the White House press secretary, threatening

00:04:19.760 Facebook with sanctions unless they censor even more and then Facebook complies, or when

00:04:24.900 you have a set of legal protections in our federal laws that exist for big technology companies

00:04:30.820 that exist for no other industry in our country, or when you see the Biden administration pushing

00:04:35.860 a very, very expensive energy policy, which, of course, harms every single industry except

00:04:41.720 for those that donate aggressively to the Democratic Party, Wall Street and big tech, you start

00:04:46.300 to realize that people like me, people like you, conservatives for a generation have been

00:04:53.380 taught to think of the government over here, the corporate sector over here.

00:04:57.460 And what I think we've woken up to is that those two sectors are very, very much aligned.

00:05:04.660 It's not even clear to me in what ways they're different.

00:05:07.780 And we have to reckon with that fact and frankly, fight back against both.

00:05:11.020 Right.

00:05:11.620 You look at a corporation like Google, sometimes the squishes will say, well, build your own 1.00

00:05:15.760 Google.

00:05:16.700 You know, Google is a private company.

00:05:18.100 It can do what it wants.

00:05:18.720 First of all, Google is not a private company by any stretch of the imagination.

00:05:23.220 The connections with the government are massive and longstanding.

00:05:26.740 And so we need to rethink that policy.

00:05:28.660 So let's say your campaign's doing very well.

00:05:31.660 Pretty soon we've got Senator Vance from Ohio.

00:05:35.240 What are the first, I was going to say, what are the first laws you try to pass?

00:05:39.940 But there's more that you can do as a senator.

00:05:41.560 So I'll broaden it even.

00:05:43.380 What are the top priorities for Senator Vance?

00:05:47.300 Yeah, I mean, I guess priority number one, even though it's not the subject of the conversation

00:05:51.620 thus far, is, you know, when the House is on fire, you have to put out the House fire.

00:05:54.780 And I do think the southern border crisis that we have is the House on fire moment.

00:05:58.080 But so bracket that, because that has to be priority number one, you know, finish the

00:06:02.340 border wall.

00:06:03.280 I think probably double the number of border enforcement agents that we have and actually

00:06:06.900 empower those people to do their job.

00:06:08.720 It's actually really disgusting how the president of the United States is so kind to people breaking

00:06:14.640 the laws, but will readily attack his own employees, you know, Customs Board and Border

00:06:19.280 Patrol, when they do the job of protecting us from illegal immigration. 0.55

00:06:23.020 That's priority number one.

00:06:24.040 But I mean, to take it back to this sort of woke corporate thing, you know, first of all,

00:06:27.900 of course, our woke corporations love unlimited cheap labor. 0.92

00:06:31.180 They love it for cultural reasons.

00:06:32.500 They love it for economic reasons.

00:06:34.400 But to sort of go at them directly, I think that we need to do something pretty aggressively

00:06:41.200 to make it easy for us to break up the big technology companies.

00:06:45.120 There's an argument that our legal tools are already there, that the enforcement tools

00:06:49.560 are already there.

00:06:50.220 But I think the fact that they're used so sparingly suggests we're kind of in a moment

00:06:55.000 not all that different from the one that Teddy Roosevelt confronted in the very early 20th

00:06:59.440 century, now 100 years later, where you have corporations that are literally more powerful

00:07:04.320 than the U.S. government, which theoretically is the most powerful entity known to man.

00:07:08.440 You know, one of my favorite quotes is, if you can silence the king, you are the king.

00:07:12.740 And we learned after January the 6th that the technology companies have the ability to silence

00:07:18.000 even very powerful political leaders like the sitting duly elected president of the United States.

00:07:23.600 If you can silence the king, you are the king.

00:07:26.360 That's a really important statement.

00:07:28.700 In a republic, in self-government, the way you govern yourself is by speaking,

00:07:34.160 by persuading your fellow citizens.

00:07:36.080 So if some entity in or out of the government can control all the speech,

00:07:40.440 like Google and Facebook and Twitter can, then they are controlling not just some aspect of

00:07:45.660 politics, but the whole political order.

00:07:47.220 Okay, so I totally agree.

00:07:48.460 That's number one.

00:07:49.020 I like your point, too, that whenever people say, well, you know, just enforce

00:07:51.900 repeal Section 230 liabilities or, you know, just enforce antitrust law or something,

00:07:56.340 you say, well, if it were so simple, we would have done it already.

00:07:58.740 It seems that maybe some further action is actually required.

00:08:02.640 On the point of immigration, though, a lot of the liberals and even the libertarians will say,

00:08:07.080 we need the immigrants.

00:08:08.100 We have a dying population.

00:08:09.500 We got to keep up GDP.

00:08:11.300 We got to keep paying all those entitlement programs.

00:08:13.440 Who's going to fund my Social Security?

00:08:15.520 And so it is impossible to reduce immigration, including illegal, certainly legal immigration.

00:08:22.120 What say you to that argument?

00:08:24.940 Well, I think we have to reduce both.

00:08:26.500 I'd like, you know, illegal immigration down to zero and legal immigration much lower than

00:08:29.900 the levels that we have it right now.

00:08:32.720 You know, look, our immigration system is always going to be imperfect.

00:08:34.860 But at the end of the day, when you have a dying population, when you have a population

00:08:38.760 that is not replicating itself, which is true of Americans, it's true of Americans across

00:08:43.100 different racial groups, then you have a real problem.

00:08:46.280 And you cannot just import a solution to that problem.

00:08:49.180 When we raise children as part of the American family, we instill certain values in them.

00:08:55.120 We instill certain expectations in them.

00:08:57.200 They acquire certain language and cultural skills that you can't just assume that somebody who

00:09:02.000 comes here when they're 40 years old has.

00:09:03.840 They just don't.

00:09:04.800 It's not their fault.

00:09:06.080 But they don't.

00:09:07.020 There is a real difference between a child that you raise in your family and someone

00:09:12.240 who just comes over for dinner, right?

00:09:13.860 Those are those are two different types of people.

00:09:16.020 You don't have to dislike the guys who come over for dinner, but you can't build a family

00:09:19.400 around them.

00:09:19.860 You have to build a family around the next generation.

00:09:22.340 I think that's how we have to sort of zoom back and think about our country.

00:09:26.280 And so one, I just reject the idea that you can solve the problem of demographic decline

00:09:30.200 through immigration.

00:09:31.360 I think it's really, really, I mean, it's frankly sociopathic to think that people are

00:09:36.560 interchangeable like that, that a child born to an American family is interchangeable with

00:09:41.700 somebody who comes in from overseas, however good their intentions might be.

00:09:46.180 Now, then the second thing is, you know, one of the crazy things, even if we were to take

00:09:50.400 their argument at face value, one of the crazy things that happens is when new immigrants 1.00

00:09:54.920 come to this country and they assimilate well, they too start to have lower fertility rates.

00:09:59.900 Like there's something kind of broken about the American model, about the American structure

00:10:05.640 of society that is anti-family.

00:10:08.480 When you have, you know, let's say, say a Catholic immigrant coming from Latin America

00:10:12.340 where you'd expect a family to have three children, they get to America and they have 0.99

00:10:16.480 one child.

00:10:17.500 There's something about our society culturally and economically that's not good for the

00:10:22.680 raising of children.

00:10:23.860 And we have to address that root cause before papering over it with immigration reform.

00:10:29.020 Absolutely insightful because what people are going to say is if, if you talk about a

00:10:32.960 dying population, you're sending dog whistles to the white supremacists everywhere, but we're

00:10:38.600 not, you're talking about a nationwide America problem and you even see it, you even see it

00:10:43.380 in the recent immigrants to America.

00:10:45.080 So then the question is, what do you do about it?

00:10:48.400 You know, I think the one we need to send a different cultural message from leaders, you

00:10:54.220 know, you want, you can do that through explicit public policy, right?

00:10:58.840 The material stuff really does matter.

00:11:01.240 You know, Viktor Orban and Hungary and other countries in Central and Western Europe have

00:11:05.200 actually done a pretty good job at raising their fertility level.

00:11:07.740 Russia actually used to have a major fertility crisis. 0.99

00:11:10.220 But they basically committed in public policy, instead of having a welfare system basically

00:11:15.640 built around the single individual, they have a social welfare system that rewards people

00:11:20.760 for having families, for staying married, for doing the things that are necessary and

00:11:25.060 healthy from a family raising perspective.

00:11:28.540 But then you also have a cultural signal that comes along with that, where, you know, you

00:11:32.360 look at the way that Joe Biden talks about, let's say, his child care proposals.

00:11:37.560 And it's like, well, you know, this is so important, because we just need to send those

00:11:41.780 kids to daycare as quickly as possible, so that their moms and dads can get back into 0.99

00:11:46.040 the workforce.

00:11:46.620 Like, what is the goal of our society here?

00:11:49.020 Is it to have healthy families?

00:11:50.760 Or is it to have drones in a cubicle at Goldman Sachs?

00:11:56.120 They're working 90 hours a week, their children are in daycare 90 hours a week.

00:11:59.900 Like, there's a fundamentally different social model that modern progressives have imposed

00:12:04.460 upon this country.

00:12:05.300 They've done so quietly, but we can push back against that on the right so long as we have

00:12:10.020 the courage to do it.

00:12:11.320 You know, unfortunately, you do have chamber of commerce style conservatives say, you know,

00:12:15.700 it's a really terrible thing when a young mother takes three years off of work to care 1.00

00:12:21.000 for her young children.

00:12:22.200 And it's like, really?

00:12:23.540 Like, if that woman wants to do that, why is that a bad thing? 1.00

00:12:26.520 Isn't it good for people who want to care for their children to be able to care for their

00:12:30.780 children?

00:12:31.060 The fact that, you know, you hear so many conservatives say we're against social engineering,

00:12:35.640 but they love the social engineering that takes children away from their families and puts

00:12:40.560 them into corporate daycares makes it makes you realize how much of a joke it all is.

00:12:44.620 Right.

00:12:44.820 It was once widely understood that the hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules

00:12:48.360 the world.

00:12:48.840 And now we are told by the progressive left that unless you're doing spreadsheets all

00:12:53.160 day, working for some guy so that you can get some money so that your husband can pay

00:12:57.160 some woman to raise your kid, seems kind of inefficient to me, that unless you're doing 1.00

00:13:00.760 that, you're wasting your life and throwing it away.

00:13:03.320 And it does seem totally backwards.

00:13:05.640 So you mentioned Orban, you mentioned Russia and how they have had success despite people

00:13:11.360 claiming to the contrary.

00:13:12.360 They have had success turning their birth rate problem around.

00:13:14.680 So is the suggestion here that we pay families to have kids and irk the libertarians on the

00:13:20.140 right?

00:13:21.160 Yeah, I mean, basically that's right.

00:13:23.500 I mean, look, we pay families not to have kids.

00:13:25.500 We pay families not to work.

00:13:27.280 We pay families to get divorced. 0.88

00:13:28.880 You actually make more money from our social welfare system if you don't have children. 1.00

00:13:33.060 So I think in a lot of ways we have to accept that we're already paying families to do things.

00:13:37.300 It's a question of whether we're paying them to make good decisions or we're paying them

00:13:40.480 to make dad decisions.

00:13:41.340 And I'd say staying married, having children is much better than getting divorced and sitting 0.53

00:13:45.880 at home all day.

00:13:47.140 And that really, to me, is the fundamental issue.

00:13:49.400 I actually, I don't think that the goal here is a massive expansion in the amount of money

00:13:55.980 that we're spending on social welfare.

00:13:57.360 We actually spend a ton of money on social welfare.

00:13:59.480 We just spend it on very stupid purposes.

00:14:01.680 It's a great point.

00:14:03.120 There is no shortage of welfare spending in the United States.

00:14:06.060 But you've got to look at what you are incentivizing.

00:14:09.700 And there's no neutrality here.

00:14:11.640 The program is going to incentivize one behavior or another.

00:14:15.400 Now, forget about all that productive stuff for a second.

00:14:18.260 Let's get into the nitty-gritty, filthy politics.

00:14:20.840 You're in a Republican primary for this Senate race.

00:14:24.440 What distinguishes you from your rival in the primary?

00:14:27.980 Well, I think all the stuff that we're talking about, right?

00:14:29.720 I mean, I think that, you know, most of the people who are running in the primary are good

00:14:33.800 people, but they're fundamentally repeating the same tired Chamber of Commerce slogans that

00:14:38.660 you've heard from Republicans for 30 or 40 years.

00:14:41.480 They're just not going to talk about the things that we've been talking about.

00:14:44.600 They're not going to advocate for some of the policies that I've been advocating for.

00:14:48.120 And so my argument to primary voters here in the state of Ohio is, look, you can have a

00:14:54.040 good person who's going to vote the right way 75% of the time, or you can have a person

00:14:59.480 who actually is fighting against the corporate oligarchy, the government oligarchy that's

00:15:04.580 making it impossible for normal Americans to live their lives. 0.66

00:15:07.700 And so I really am trying to make the campaign about, you know, what do we want to be as a

00:15:11.560 party here in Ohio?

00:15:12.940 What kind of person do we want to send to Washington, D.C.?

00:15:15.780 Do we want to send her a Chamber of Commerce type, or do we want to send a guy who's going

00:15:18.840 to fight back against those people?

00:15:20.020 Well, because what we had been told for decades is that Republicans need to get out of the

00:15:26.040 social issues.

00:15:27.180 Republicans need to just focus on lowering taxes.

00:15:30.180 People vote with their wallet.

00:15:31.460 That's all that really matters.

00:15:33.540 And I guess the last five years have kind of blown that out of the water.

00:15:37.440 When Donald Trump walked down the escalator calling illegal aliens rapists and murderers

00:15:42.180 and some are good people, he obviously was running a culture war campaign.

00:15:46.160 And it seemed to work.

00:15:47.580 Certainly worked the first time you saw a cultural campaign in Virginia.

00:15:50.220 Flip that governorship. 0.95

00:15:51.440 So how are you feeling beyond your own Senate race for the Republican Party generally as

00:15:56.480 this battle for the soul of the Republicans' wages?

00:15:58.840 How are you looking at the chances in 2022 and 2024 for Republicans?

00:16:04.140 You know, very optimistic about our party in 2022, 2024.

00:16:07.620 I think that, you know, people just had enough, right?

00:16:09.680 Things have gotten so crazy.

00:16:11.760 They're finding out that their kids are learning crazy stuff at school.

00:16:15.160 They're being forced to sit through ridiculous trainings at work where they have to, you know,

00:16:19.460 disavow their whiteness like some sort of weird satanic religious ceremony.

00:16:23.660 I mean, people are just like really, really fed up with how insane things have gotten.

00:16:28.160 And yeah, you know, there's definitely some pushback, I would say, from the institutional

00:16:33.280 powers in sort of the conservative movement.

00:16:36.420 You know, the Club for Growth, I think one of the worst organizations on the right, has spent

00:16:39.700 $2 million against me attacking my primary candidacy because I believe that we should impose tariffs

00:16:45.080 on companies that make things in China.

00:16:49.220 So, you know, there's definitely a battle to be had.

00:16:51.880 And I won't pretend that I know, you know, we're going to win over a two to four year period.

00:16:57.340 But if you look at all the people that are running, if you look at where the energy is,

00:17:01.080 I feel very confident that we're going to win this battle.

00:17:04.000 It may take us a little time, but we're going to win the fight.

00:17:06.040 There is this strange fact when you talk about the tariffs as being somehow anti-Republican,

00:17:12.140 that the Republican Party was founded on tariffs.

00:17:15.300 Abraham Lincoln, the first Republican president, said, give me a tariff, I'll give you the greatest

00:17:18.420 nation on earth.

00:17:19.620 It was the party of economic protection.

00:17:21.680 Then it became this free trade party.

00:17:25.480 How did that happen?

00:17:26.480 I mean, we talk about, you always hear about how the parties switched.

00:17:29.160 How did that happen?

00:17:30.060 Why did the GOP flip and why is it flipping back now?

00:17:32.720 You know, I think what happened is that some of the biggest businesses in our country got

00:17:37.460 a little cocky.

00:17:38.260 They got a little overconfident, right?

00:17:39.660 They didn't realize that America's industrial power had been built by free enterprise, but

00:17:47.220 also by smart public policy.

00:17:48.740 They thought we could just, you know, go into China, hand off all of what made America great

00:17:54.520 and powerful and just expect that America would somehow make up for it somehow.

00:18:01.000 But that was always left as a big question, right?

00:18:03.500 We were always supposed to, you know, China would make the rubber duckies. 0.99

00:18:07.320 We would make the TVs and then China would make the TVs and we'd make the advanced robotics.

00:18:11.680 But they were both stealing the technology on one end and stealing the rubber ducky factories 0.99

00:18:15.940 on the other hand.

00:18:16.700 And the American middle class and frankly, our national greatness got squeezed in the

00:18:20.740 process.

00:18:21.560 So I think a lot of it is just we got fat and lazy, right?

00:18:24.880 We were the, think about America 1963 was without question the most powerful country in the world.

00:18:31.700 It looked like nothing could possibly challenge us.

00:18:33.860 And I think that we forgot that that greatness came from two centuries of very, very wise leadership

00:18:42.660 from our private sector, from our public sector.

00:18:45.780 We've got to get back to that or we're going to lose the country.

00:18:48.240 And I think at least, you know, I'll say this, we're waking up to the fact that we have been

00:18:52.100 failed for two generations now in this country.

00:18:54.540 Speaking of elite institutions, you have done an amazing thing, J.D., which is you've been

00:19:00.260 through a handful of elite institutions and have not been totally cast into the outer darkness

00:19:04.780 where there's wailing and gnashing of teeth.

00:19:06.940 So, you know, Yale Law School graduate had a very successful Hollywood movie, a very, very

00:19:11.980 successful book, obviously.

00:19:15.560 Can the institutions be saved?

00:19:18.480 I'll put it very bluntly.

00:19:20.200 Shall conservatives go in and reclaim Yale or do we just need to defund it, knock it down

00:19:25.940 and build a new college in its place?

00:19:27.360 Yeah, I mean, I think you have to go institution by institution.

00:19:30.980 But with Yale in particular, I think that, you know, we need to do a little renovation

00:19:35.400 by arson.

00:19:37.700 You know, I actually read this interesting article over the weekend.

00:19:42.820 It was by Helen Andrews, who's the editor of the American Conservative.

00:19:47.040 And, you know, she was just talking about how, you know, for our entire history, we had this

00:19:51.260 sort of certain understanding of the Civil War and Reconstruction.

00:19:53.560 And then that all started to change in our academic departments.

00:19:57.400 And I saw a tweet of a history professor at Yale.

00:20:00.320 I guess Helen also went to Yale.

00:20:02.120 And like, you know, I forget the exact wording of the tweet, but it was something like, oh,

00:20:05.460 if this person wants to talk about this, she should have at least taken one of my history

00:20:08.660 courses at Yale.

00:20:09.900 But these people are so pathetic.

00:20:12.500 Like, we've given over the next, the leadership of the next generation to a history professor

00:20:21.180 who's whining about the fact that a magazine editor didn't take one of her history courses 1.00

00:20:26.580 at Yale.

00:20:27.360 Like, we should accept that these people are so drunk on their own power.

00:20:31.560 And the only thing they have really going, right?

00:20:33.520 They don't have money.

00:20:34.340 You don't make that much money as a history professor.

00:20:37.120 The only thing they have is the prestige that those elite institutions give them.

00:20:42.520 But they're so willing to, they die to defend that prestige, that sense of social superiority,

00:20:48.580 that they're unwilling to actually do any critical self-reflection, which means I think we have

00:20:53.400 to get rid of them.

00:20:54.080 I mean, they're not serving any useful purpose.

00:20:56.680 I mean, why is it that for the last two years, we've been living in the tyranny of Dr.

00:21:02.220 Anthony Fauci, right?

00:21:03.280 Like, what gave this person lordship over the United States of America?

00:21:09.120 It is honestly a set of degrees that are hanging on his wall, conferred by elite institutions

00:21:16.400 that make all of us say, well, this person must know what he's talking about because

00:21:20.380 he has these degrees.

00:21:21.640 But he doesn't, right?

00:21:22.940 This is the facade.

00:21:24.700 This is the lie of our university system, that it teaches people to be boring and conventional.

00:21:30.040 It doesn't give them real knowledge.

00:21:31.660 It gives them this ridiculous prestige game that they then inflict on the rest of our society.

00:21:39.120 I think the universities are basically unsalvageable.

00:21:42.000 Right, because what you get out of those, all the places that Dr. Fauci went or all the

00:21:46.860 big brand name universities, what you are getting increasingly is a brand name credential and an

00:21:52.320 entrance into certain elite circles.

00:21:54.920 If you want to go to Goldman Sachs, I'm not sure that your degree from Thomas Aquinas College

00:22:00.160 or Hillsdale is going to do it.

00:22:01.660 A degree from Harvard or Princeton is going to do it.

00:22:04.440 But you would very likely get a more coherent education at Hillsdale, Thomas Aquinas, Ave

00:22:09.960 Murray, wherever we're talking about these handful of conservative schools.

00:22:14.200 So, yes, the prestige does have an incredible amount of value, not just social value, but real

00:22:20.300 monetary value.

00:22:21.200 You can get into these clubs.

00:22:22.860 You can get into these places where you could make a lot of money.

00:22:25.740 And so we've got to adjust those incentives as well.

00:22:29.180 I guess one way to do that is by winning, by winning power and by wielding power.

00:22:33.780 I suspect that's what a lot of your Senate race and other Senate races is about, proving

00:22:38.660 can we go in there, can we attain some political power, and can we use that for the good?

00:22:44.000 J.D., I wish you the best of luck.

00:22:46.300 Where can people find you?

00:22:47.440 J.D.Vance.com is the best place to go.

00:22:49.380 They can learn more about the campaign, support us if they're willing to do so.

00:22:52.780 I'm also on Twitter, Facebook, you know, all the normal places you can find political

00:22:56.520 candidates these days.

00:22:57.880 That's great.

00:22:58.620 And once this airs, I'm sure I'll hear from all of your primary rivals yelling at me and

00:23:02.320 demanding that they can come on as well.

00:23:04.500 J.D., great to be with you.

00:23:05.760 Thanks for coming on.

00:23:06.900 Thanks, Michael.

00:23:07.500 Take care.

The Michael Knowles Show - December 31, 2021

Renovation By Arson and The Immigration Crisis ｜ JD Vance

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