The Michael Knowles Show


Rep. Jim Jordan ｜ Republicans Who Do What They Say They Will Do


Summary

Jim Jordan, author of the new book, "Do What You Said You Would Do," joins Jemele to discuss the FBI putting a "threat tag" on parents who demonstrate against gender and race theory in public schools, and the cover-up surrounding it.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 I'm very pleased to be joined now by the ranking member on the House Judiciary Committee.
00:00:11.980 Now, very shortly, I'm expecting him to be the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.
00:00:17.440 The Republicans are looking pretty good for 2022, but there's a long way to go.
00:00:20.720 I am joined by none other than Congressman Jim Jordan, author of the new book,
00:00:25.860 Do What You Said You Would Do.
00:00:28.200 One of the things that Jim Jordan said he would do is come here to Nashville to be on the show.
00:00:32.080 Congressman, thank you for being here.
00:00:33.360 Thank you for having me, Michael, and thank you for all you do for the cause of freedom.
00:00:37.820 We appreciate it.
00:00:39.060 Well, that's very kind.
00:00:40.420 I'm so glad that you could be here because freedom is under threat.
00:00:45.320 I'm not just talking about pie-in-the-sky freedom.
00:00:48.240 I'm not even talking about economic freedom.
00:00:50.300 We hear a lot about that.
00:00:51.160 I'm talking about the freedom to raise your own kids.
00:00:54.860 And you have been calling out the attorney general, Merrick Garland, on this.
00:00:59.840 Merrick Garland said, I have not labeled parents, white supremacists, domestic terrorists,
00:01:07.440 for wanting to stop crazy gender and race theories in their schools.
00:01:11.060 But a whistleblower seems to have thrown that story upside down.
00:01:16.100 Did the attorney general lie?
00:01:17.360 Yeah, he said that on October 21st and just so happened when he said that the day before,
00:01:22.300 the head of the counterterrorism division at the FBI, so not just anybody at the FBI,
00:01:27.320 the head of the counterterrorism division had sent out an email to FBI agents around the country
00:01:31.680 saying do what Merrick Garland said that he wasn't doing just 24 hours later
00:01:35.520 to actually put a threat tag on parents, on people, moms and dads showing up at school board meetings.
00:01:42.040 I mean, they were showing up to protest this crazy, racist, hate America curriculum.
00:01:48.300 So, yeah, I think he misled the committee.
00:01:50.200 We've asked for him to come back.
00:01:52.240 And he should because he's got to answer some, I think, pretty important.
00:01:55.220 Here's one question I think.
00:01:56.360 The first question you ask him is, how many?
00:01:58.980 What's the number?
00:02:00.440 How many parents have the tag or the label?
00:02:03.180 When I first saw our staff at the district committee showed me the correspondence from the whistleblower
00:02:09.620 and the email that went out, when I first saw it, I thought the first thing that came to mind is
00:02:14.500 this is what the IRS did 10 years ago, 10, 12 years ago, when they had the BOLO list,
00:02:19.440 be on the lookout for these people, these types of groups saying, using terms like freedom and patriot.
00:02:25.180 Imagine that.
00:02:25.820 All those terrible, terrible terms.
00:02:27.360 So this is just another example of weaponizing the government to go after people
00:02:32.380 with a different political belief than what the left has in the government.
00:02:37.740 The creepiest part of this to me, well, there are many creepy parts.
00:02:40.700 I don't want to make that claim.
00:02:41.840 But one of the creepiest parts is that these parents who show up and say,
00:02:45.560 we don't want critical race theory in schools.
00:02:47.380 We don't want radical gender theory in schools.
00:02:49.140 They are labeled by the federal government, domestic terrorists or whatever.
00:02:54.180 It's not as though they're being charged with a crime.
00:02:56.440 It's not as though they're going to get to have their day in court.
00:02:59.820 They're just having that label put on them.
00:03:03.060 And in many cases, they won't even know it.
00:03:04.880 Yeah, no, that's your, and it's the federal government.
00:03:08.480 I mean, it shouldn't be anybody in government doing it, but the idea that the big federal
00:03:12.020 government's coming in, and if there is some kind of violence or something happening at
00:03:15.380 school, well, then the local government, local sheriffs, local police, they can, they
00:03:18.540 should handle it.
00:03:19.100 That's how it's supposed to work in our, in our federal constitutional system.
00:03:22.280 But when you have the FBI doing this, here's the other thing I think, as I look at the
00:03:25.660 timeline on this, remember the letter comes from the School Board Association on September
00:03:28.940 29th.
00:03:29.840 Four days later, the letter asks for, it talks about parents, talks about the Patriot Act.
00:03:33.720 And asks the Biden administration to go after these moms and dads.
00:03:38.140 Five days later, Merrick Garland, the Attorney General of the United States, issues a memorandum,
00:03:42.380 which does just that.
00:03:43.340 Puts in place task force in all 94 U.S. judicial districts, the U.S. attorney districts around
00:03:47.940 the country.
00:03:48.860 And then we go through this, and Merrick Garland comes testify.
00:03:51.640 But we now have learned that through, it's been reported, that the White House was working
00:03:56.580 with the School Board Association before the letter was ever sent.
00:04:00.040 So I don't think this was actually the School Board Association initiating this.
00:04:06.040 I think it came from the government.
00:04:07.980 And I think they just used the letter as the pretext to do this, to go after.
00:04:12.760 They didn't like the parents were showing up protesting.
00:04:14.740 They said, we're going to stop it.
00:04:15.960 And we're going to stop it by this chilling impact of the Attorney General of the United
00:04:20.180 States, issuing a memo that says, we're going to treat parents as a, give them this label
00:04:25.980 of a terrorist tag, a threat tag.
00:04:28.520 The one thing they didn't bargain for, though, moms and dads said, like, heck you are.
00:04:32.940 These are my kids.
00:04:34.100 I mean, I always say, no lobbyist, no bureaucrat, no government official will ever beat a mom
00:04:40.580 on a mission.
00:04:41.340 And these moms said, we're not going to tolerate this.
00:04:43.740 And moms and dads stood up.
00:04:44.620 And that's what they didn't expect.
00:04:46.520 And it was so much so that the day, less than 24 hours after Merrick Garland testifies,
00:04:52.300 the agency, this left-wing political group, they issue an apology for the initial letter.
00:04:56.960 I've never, you follow politics.
00:04:58.740 I've been in politics a long time.
00:05:00.100 I have never seen that happen.
00:05:01.620 24 hours later.
00:05:03.120 Oh, and here's the language.
00:05:04.460 We regret and apologize for the letter.
00:05:07.940 Wow.
00:05:08.420 So they didn't bargain for that.
00:05:10.500 And the Biden administration, I think, though, so it didn't go from the school board association
00:05:14.120 to the government.
00:05:14.880 I think that went the other way.
00:05:16.360 That's the scary part.
00:05:17.460 Now, do you think that this movement has legs?
00:05:20.700 Because I think you're totally right.
00:05:22.240 I think that the government and the Democrats and the liberal establishment broadly saw this
00:05:27.420 education issue as a big threat.
00:05:29.540 It just cost them a governorship in Virginia.
00:05:32.000 They saw parents of all stripes, of all shapes, of all colors showing up and saying, we're going
00:05:36.640 to protect our kids.
00:05:37.560 We have the right to raise our kids.
00:05:38.740 Not you, Terry McAuliffe.
00:05:40.160 Not you, Joe Biden.
00:05:41.940 It seems to me this is the first issue-driven grassroots movement on the right since the
00:05:47.540 Tea Party.
00:05:48.080 You had the Tea Party.
00:05:48.880 Now you have the CR Tea Party, if you'll pardon the lame pun.
00:05:52.720 Do you think that this just wins us, Virginia?
00:05:55.960 Maybe it helps a little in Jersey and it fizzles.
00:05:57.780 Or does this movement about education from the right have legs?
00:06:02.040 No, it has legs.
00:06:03.160 And you asked the question because you know it has legs.
00:06:05.220 Or you believe the same thing I do.
00:06:07.380 It's funny you say that because the October 21st, a few weeks ago, when Merrick Garland
00:06:13.060 testified, I gave my opening statement.
00:06:14.640 You know how these committee things work.
00:06:16.060 Jerry Nadler, the chairman, gives the opening statement.
00:06:17.800 Then the top Republican gives the opening statement.
00:06:19.580 And at the end of my opening statement, I said, Mr. Attorney General, I think this memo,
00:06:24.180 I think this was the last straw.
00:06:25.620 I think this is a catalyst for a great reawakening, kind of revival-type mindset in this country
00:06:31.980 for freedom, for Judeo-Christian principles and values.
00:06:36.000 And I think that's catching on.
00:06:37.980 I really do.
00:06:38.920 And then, of course, it was a few weeks later, as you point out, where the voters in Virginia
00:06:44.000 said, time out.
00:06:45.560 We're going to make Glenn Youngkin the next governor of our state because we don't like
00:06:49.620 where this is going.
00:06:50.660 And it happened on top of what we've been through over the last year, where, frankly,
00:06:55.240 every single right we enjoy as Americans under the First Amendment has been assaulted by
00:06:59.500 the left.
00:07:00.540 And so in that framework, they now find out, and now they're going to label us terrorists
00:07:06.600 and they're coming after, they think they're smarter than we are as moms and dads about
00:07:10.600 our kids.
00:07:12.440 Time out to that.
00:07:13.300 So I think it is going to grow.
00:07:14.420 I think it really is.
00:07:15.660 Even this word education, we think of it as just reading, writing, and arithmetic.
00:07:19.400 Education means raising a kid.
00:07:22.420 I mean, that's the root of the word.
00:07:24.400 And so it's about a lot more than that.
00:07:26.220 And, you know, to your observation here that a lot of this is about losing Christianity,
00:07:31.800 our Christian morality, losing the regular old patriotism that we used to have.
00:07:36.160 Now we're being taught all the opposite of that in schools.
00:07:38.780 But there's obviously a moral component.
00:07:41.520 There's obviously a religious component.
00:07:42.820 If you teach a kid, we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal
00:07:46.260 and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights.
00:07:49.060 That's a religious statement.
00:07:51.060 And it's something that we are teaching.
00:07:52.660 For a long time, Republicans said, we don't want to touch it.
00:07:56.360 We don't want to touch the culture issues.
00:07:58.480 We don't want to touch anything about religion or morality.
00:08:00.700 We're going to cut taxes, and that's that.
00:08:04.480 Obviously, it hasn't served us very well.
00:08:07.000 Do you see the Republican Party getting behind this kind of thing?
00:08:11.220 I do.
00:08:11.780 I do.
00:08:12.420 I really do because, I mean, think about this.
00:08:15.440 You go to any major urban public school district in the country, and the graduation rate is
00:08:20.760 some ridiculously low percentage.
00:08:22.700 Kids reading at grade level.
00:08:23.860 Third graders in Detroit reading at grade level is 30.
00:08:27.180 I'm just making up a number.
00:08:28.080 But we know it's bad.
00:08:29.140 30%, 40%.
00:08:30.420 And so this is happening in all kinds of urban public schools and now some other schools
00:08:35.160 around the country.
00:08:36.820 And what do Democrats say?
00:08:38.300 Here's our answer.
00:08:39.160 We're going to make your kid wear a mask all day at school.
00:08:41.940 We're going to teach them critical race theory.
00:08:43.540 We're going to tell them that their country stinks.
00:08:45.740 And meanwhile, parents are saying, well, I don't like all that.
00:08:48.640 And I'd also like you to teach them to read and write and learn the basics.
00:08:52.180 So I think what we should be saying is, voters out there, do not vote for anyone who's not
00:08:59.780 for school choice.
00:09:00.620 Don't vote for anyone who doesn't say, moms and dads should determine what's best for
00:09:04.600 their kids' education.
00:09:05.420 And if you've got a candidate running for office and they're not for that, don't help
00:09:08.880 them.
00:09:09.660 And work against them or find a candidate to run against them.
00:09:13.020 That's how we have to do it.
00:09:14.400 And I think that will catch on.
00:09:15.940 We've got much more with Congressman Jordan coming up.
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00:10:28.200 You know, I saw the day after Yunkin's victory in Virginia.
00:10:32.320 I saw some, I won't name names, but some members of Republican leadership.
00:10:36.340 They said, this was a victory against socialism.
00:10:38.780 That was the message.
00:10:39.680 And I thought, look, I hate socialism.
00:10:41.300 Socialism's evil.
00:10:42.260 Yeah.
00:10:43.000 This had nothing to do with socialism.
00:10:45.600 Terry McAuliffe is a regular crooked corporate Democrat.
00:10:48.940 He's not Che Guevara.
00:10:50.820 You know, this is a Clinton Democrat.
00:10:52.260 He's a Clinton Democrat.
00:10:53.460 And I just think if we just run against socialism, we're going to have the same old coalition we always have.
00:11:00.180 Yeah.
00:11:00.540 But if we can somehow convince whole swaths of people that the Democrats are indoctrinating your kids with a bunch of nonsense that's going to screw them up for life.
00:11:09.480 Yeah.
00:11:09.720 Which has obviously happened.
00:11:10.800 We got the receipts for that.
00:11:11.920 Yeah.
00:11:12.080 Maybe we have a chance into 2020.
00:11:14.740 Right.
00:11:14.960 Maybe 2024.
00:11:15.980 Yeah.
00:11:16.380 The American people are smart people.
00:11:18.080 The American people have common sense.
00:11:19.880 And I think they have now seen the big picture.
00:11:21.780 Remember, the guy who's in the White House, he campaigned on, I'm not Bernie Sanders.
00:11:25.660 Right.
00:11:25.880 He campaigned on, I'm Scranton Joe.
00:11:27.720 I'm moderate Joe.
00:11:28.760 I'm middle class Joe.
00:11:29.980 And, you know, it wasn't true.
00:11:31.440 But that's what he sold to the American people.
00:11:34.780 And he got in office and what did he do the very first day?
00:11:37.260 Signed all those executive orders.
00:11:38.520 One of those was getting rid of the 1776 commission.
00:11:41.500 That's right.
00:11:41.820 This commission that says, let's focus on American history and what a great country we have.
00:11:46.740 Not perfect, but the greatest nation ever built on a principle, as you said, in the Declaration of Independence, endowed by our creator with these inalienable rights.
00:11:54.520 So he changed that on day one and has been Bernie Sanders plus since day one.
00:12:00.880 And that's not how he marketed himself to the country.
00:12:05.560 And in that context, and then we see what every policy area they've touched has been a disaster.
00:12:10.460 The border, inflation, tax policy, you name it.
00:12:14.420 It's energy policy.
00:12:16.420 And now, oh, and now you're going to come after moms and dads?
00:12:21.240 In that context, the voters are saying, no way are we going to tolerate that.
00:12:25.520 So I do think it's growing.
00:12:27.300 And this education issue is kind of the issue that I think kind of brought it all together in that larger framework.
00:12:33.360 So polls are looking good.
00:12:35.420 Right now, Joe Biden is, what, 37%, 38%.
00:12:38.320 Kamala Harris is 28%.
00:12:40.560 Dick Cheney, after the Iraq war and after shooting a guy in the face, was 30.
00:12:45.060 He was doing better than Kamala Harris is today.
00:12:47.360 Shot Harry.
00:12:47.740 Remember when you said that?
00:12:48.400 I've shot Harry.
00:12:49.160 Yeah.
00:12:49.760 And he was, right, exactly.
00:12:50.900 Yeah.
00:12:51.140 And he was still polling higher.
00:12:52.440 So they're really not looking good.
00:12:54.780 Let's say the Republicans take back the majority in the House in 2022.
00:12:59.200 What's the first thing you do?
00:13:00.780 The first thing we do is, now, we won't be able to make law because Joe Biden is still going to be able to veto everything.
00:13:05.380 First thing we do in the Judiciary Committee, which, Lord willing, I'll have the chance to chair, is we pass this Section 230.
00:13:12.440 We get rid of the Liability Protection for Big Tech, who is censoring folks like you and I.
00:13:17.640 So that's the first piece of legislation.
00:13:19.900 It won't become law, but it's important to let the country know we're doing everything we can in that area.
00:13:25.920 This is what AOC did with the Green New Deal.
00:13:27.860 They put it out there, and everyone laughed about it, and she was persistent, persistent, persistent.
00:13:31.800 Now it's a mainstream idea.
00:13:33.000 It might become law.
00:13:33.680 Right.
00:13:33.920 I mean, that's how politics works in America.
00:13:35.660 You frame it up, and then you have a big presidential election.
00:13:38.540 And if one party gets control of government, they get to push the stuff that they campaign on.
00:13:43.140 They get to do what they said they were going to do.
00:13:44.540 Right.
00:13:44.660 And I do think it's going to happen, by the way.
00:13:47.080 I do think you hate to – you don't want to be overconfident.
00:13:50.840 We've got to work hard.
00:13:52.020 But I do think Republicans are going to take it back.
00:13:53.900 I mean, the polling two weeks ago showed they asked the right track, wrong track question.
00:13:58.520 71% of our fellow citizens think the country's on the wrong track.
00:14:02.900 I mean, when I first heard that, I actually said, I want to meet the 29%.
00:14:06.300 I want to meet the 29% who think we're on the right track.
00:14:08.540 There hasn't been anything go well in the last 10 months.
00:14:10.600 So I do think it's shaping up as a win for us.
00:14:15.080 If we win, what we have to do is undo as much as we can of the Biden administration.
00:14:20.100 It'll be tough because he's still going to be in the White House, but we have to frame it up.
00:14:24.680 And yesterday I had a debate on the House floor with Jim McGovern, Democrat chair of the Rules Committee.
00:14:29.000 And he says, Republicans blame Joe Biden for everything.
00:14:32.340 Never tell us what they're for.
00:14:34.000 And it made me mad.
00:14:34.800 So I spoke once.
00:14:35.960 I got back up and spoke again.
00:14:37.120 And I said, I'll tell you what we're for.
00:14:38.560 We're actually for a secure border, which we had under President Trump.
00:14:42.760 I'll tell you what we're for.
00:14:44.120 We're actually for stable prices, which we had under President Trump.
00:14:47.320 I'll tell you what.
00:14:48.140 We're for wages going up, real wages going up, like we had just 10 months ago.
00:14:52.080 I'm for energy independence, like we had 10 months ago.
00:14:54.680 I'm for a DOJ that doesn't go after its citizens, doesn't use the awesome power of the FBI to go after its citizens.
00:15:03.340 I'm for a DOJ that doesn't pay illegal immigrants $450,000 for breaking the law and coming into our country.
00:15:09.640 So that's what we have to demonstrate to the American people if we're given the chance to lead the Congress.
00:15:18.020 You know, I'm glad you brought up all of those specific policies because we think, oh, nothing really changes.
00:15:24.600 It's not a big deal.
00:15:25.420 Both sides always get hyperbolic about how the other side is the cause of all evil.
00:15:30.600 Under Trump, real wages increased for the first time in a very long time.
00:15:34.160 Under Trump, at least the first part of his presidency, the problems at the border really did diminish.
00:15:38.980 Sure did.
00:15:39.560 Considerably.
00:15:39.980 Sure did.
00:15:40.920 Under Trump, you actually did have manufacturing confidence at record highs.
00:15:45.320 Under Trump, you know, you had unemployment at all-time lows or very nearly all-time lows.
00:15:49.740 And then it all changed.
00:15:50.940 And things can change very quickly.
00:15:52.080 And people are seeing that at the gas pump.
00:15:53.400 And they're seeing that to go out Thanksgiving shopping.
00:15:55.940 So one of the zanier ideas that has been floated is that if the Republicans retake the House,
00:16:03.920 the Speaker of the House does not need to be a member of Congress.
00:16:07.580 The Speaker could be, for instance, a brash billionaire from New York who now resides in Florida.
00:16:13.300 What do you think the likelihood of that has?
00:16:15.480 I think he's going to run for president.
00:16:16.940 I want him to.
00:16:17.780 I've said it.
00:16:18.500 I'm for him.
00:16:19.160 I'm for him 110%.
00:16:20.820 No president in my lifetime has done more of what he said he would do than President Trump.
00:16:26.880 And he did it with everyone against him.
00:16:29.360 That whole town.
00:16:30.460 Every single Democrat.
00:16:31.420 But, I mean, adamantly crazy against him, as we all know.
00:16:35.840 Everyone in the mainstream press was against him.
00:16:37.800 Everyone in the bureaucracy, which is the real problem, was against him.
00:16:42.520 And a bunch of Republicans.
00:16:44.200 And yet, in spite of that, he said he would cut taxes.
00:16:46.160 He did.
00:16:46.480 He said he would reduce regulations.
00:16:47.640 He did.
00:16:47.960 He said he would have the best economy.
00:16:49.340 We did.
00:16:49.760 He said he'd stand up to China.
00:16:50.860 He did.
00:16:51.140 He said he'd build the wall.
00:16:51.960 He said he'd build the wall.
00:16:54.020 He did.
00:16:54.260 He said he would get out of that crazy Iran deal.
00:16:56.220 He did.
00:16:56.560 He said he'd put the embassy in Jerusalem.
00:16:57.960 He did.
00:16:58.360 And a bunch of other things.
00:16:59.780 And I'm like, I'll take a guy like that.
00:17:02.220 Who actually kept, when he first got to the White House, I was in the West Wing with Mark Meadows and I.
00:17:06.680 We were there several times.
00:17:07.460 But early on, they had a big whiteboard.
00:17:09.920 And they had written out every campaign promise.
00:17:11.660 Every single one.
00:17:13.220 And they were literally checking it off.
00:17:15.580 That's leadership.
00:17:17.180 That's what you want in our country.
00:17:18.820 And frankly, I think there's a yearning for it now.
00:17:20.720 I had a lady in a, she was an older lady.
00:17:23.880 It was kind of like a quasi-town hall in a little town in the 4th District of Ohio.
00:17:28.380 And she's probably mid-70s.
00:17:30.780 And she started talking about what you're just saying, how crazy it's gotten in 10 months.
00:17:36.560 Yeah.
00:17:37.000 And her eyes started, I mean, they started to glass up as she was thinking, because she loves the country, like we all do, like President Trump does.
00:17:45.220 And she sees what's happening.
00:17:46.700 And so that's what's so encouraging about what we're seeing, what we saw happen in Virginia.
00:17:51.620 Courage is contagious.
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00:19:30.360 I feel uncomfortable by how optimistic you are right now.
00:19:34.060 As a conservative, I feel odd when people are optimistic.
00:19:38.620 But it does seem like there are signs of hope.
00:19:41.700 However, just a few months ago, now I guess more like a year ago, a lot of Americans didn't
00:19:49.100 have faith in the presidential election.
00:19:51.440 Four years before that, a lot of other Americans didn't have faith in the presidential election.
00:19:55.320 But at least 16 years before that, a lot of Americans didn't have faith in the presidential
00:19:59.680 election.
00:20:00.520 Terry McAuliffe actually still doesn't accept the results of the 2000 presidential election
00:20:04.220 or the Georgia gubernatorial election.
00:20:06.440 So there was the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict that just came out.
00:20:09.860 A lot of Americans don't have faith in the justice system.
00:20:11.920 I think that gives us a little glimmer of hope for the justice system.
00:20:14.820 But people's faith in these institutions and in the rule of law has really broken down recently.
00:20:20.700 And so do you think that there is a glimmer of hope to restore, not just to win an election,
00:20:27.380 but to restore confidence in the institutions?
00:20:29.460 Or are things always darkest before they go pitch?
00:20:32.520 No.
00:20:33.020 Well, I mean, a lot of times it looks pretty bad until it gets better.
00:20:37.660 I would say a couple of things.
00:20:40.140 One, Americans are optimistic by nature.
00:20:42.040 We're Americans.
00:20:42.740 I think it's in our DNA.
00:20:44.540 It's like some people even kind of push that whole idea that maybe there's some truth
00:20:49.960 to it because you think about the folks who came here.
00:20:51.840 They told them in Europe, you've got to practice your faith a certain way.
00:20:53.960 And they said, no, we don't.
00:20:56.000 And we're willing to get on a ship, risk it all, and come to this place called America
00:20:58.780 where we can do it the way we think the good Lord wants us to.
00:21:00.960 And that's been the American, Americans hate being told what to do.
00:21:04.440 That's just who we are.
00:21:05.840 So I do feel like there's a, I do feel optimistic because it's, first of all, America.
00:21:11.180 Someone once said that in this country, every third generation's had to do something big.
00:21:17.520 Today, the founders did something amazing when they started this experiment in freedom we
00:21:22.680 call America.
00:21:23.700 Three generations later, Lincoln and held the country together, got rid of the evil of slavery.
00:21:28.400 Three generations later, the greatest generation defeated the evil of Nazi Germany and Imperial
00:21:33.640 Japan.
00:21:34.060 And here we are three generations later.
00:21:35.920 And it's the left.
00:21:37.000 And it's the people who want to destroy the Constitution and are on this accelerated march
00:21:42.080 to communism.
00:21:43.800 So, but we'll, we'll, I feel optimistic.
00:21:46.880 I really do.
00:21:48.340 I think, I think Americans get it.
00:21:52.320 I'm encouraged.
00:21:53.340 I've said it now a couple of times and you referenced it as what happened in Virginia.
00:21:56.720 I think it's going to build.
00:21:58.340 I really do.
00:21:59.460 And the Rittenhouse decision is a, is a, in my mind, just a God bless America kind.
00:22:05.100 I mean, it's a victory for due process for our system of justice for the second amendment.
00:22:10.240 I mean, if that wasn't self-defense, I don't know what was.
00:22:13.720 And the jury, with all the, the intimidation factors that were swirling around that courthouse
00:22:20.700 in Kenosha, made the right decision.
00:22:23.000 That's great.
00:22:24.160 And I think, I think Americans are like inspired by that and proud of how the system worked.
00:22:29.700 Um, how our due process and everything worked for, um, this situation.
00:22:35.300 So yeah, I'm, I'm encouraged what the Mike Pence vice president used to tell us in the
00:22:40.720 house.
00:22:41.020 He said, uh, I'm a conservative and I'm not mad about it.
00:22:44.120 Right.
00:22:44.360 They're like, we might as well, we should be the happy warriors.
00:22:46.860 Cause we, for goodness sake, we live in America.
00:22:48.820 Right.
00:22:49.300 And I'm just going to say my background's wrestling.
00:22:51.380 I've traveled to the Soviet union and wrestling back in the eighties.
00:22:54.260 Yeah.
00:22:54.800 Go to places like that.
00:22:55.740 You think the good Lord, you live here.
00:22:57.220 And, and we're, I think in the long run, we're going to get through this.
00:23:00.480 Forget about Soviet union.
00:23:01.640 I go to Italy for a week and say, get me out of here.
00:23:03.680 These people don't even know how to conduct business here.
00:23:06.400 I think there's, there's a lot to that.
00:23:08.440 And obviously a conservative, almost in his very nature is going to be a little happier
00:23:13.860 with the way things are.
00:23:14.960 You know, we're a little maybe better adjusted to things.
00:23:17.180 We're not out screaming with crazy colored hair and throwing Molotov cocktails.
00:23:21.400 So, so that's all, all great.
00:23:22.900 And it gets to something you mentioned right at the top.
00:23:25.860 And I guess it's really what we're all talking about here.
00:23:28.280 Freedom.
00:23:29.180 You know, from what I'm seeing, and you're seeing it much more closely in Washington,
00:23:34.640 it seems like the right is coming to terms a little bit with freedom in a way that we
00:23:40.240 haven't in recent decades.
00:23:42.300 You know, for the left, freedom is do whatever you want, whenever you want to do it.
00:23:46.500 Right.
00:23:46.700 Just if it feels good, do it.
00:23:47.900 Right.
00:23:48.320 For the right, that was never really what freedom was.
00:23:51.460 It's right, you know, the founding fathers said liberty cannot be abused to licentiousness.
00:23:55.580 John Adams' constitution is built for moral and religious people.
00:23:58.640 And all of a sudden, you're starting to see the right kind of crack out of that libertine
00:24:02.980 language.
00:24:03.480 And they're saying, actually, no.
00:24:04.980 We're going to say no to critical race theory in schools.
00:24:07.640 Yep.
00:24:07.800 It's going to limit your freedom in a certain, some kind of freedom, but not really.
00:24:10.920 It's actually going to expand your freedom.
00:24:12.280 Yep.
00:24:12.420 We're going to say no to this desiccated, degraded culture, and we're going to say yes
00:24:18.720 to the higher constraints of liberty.
00:24:21.640 I mean, do you see that message resonating, or do people just want to do whatever they
00:24:26.500 want?
00:24:27.200 Well, human nature is such that you want to do whatever you want.
00:24:29.420 But you're right.
00:24:29.900 Real freedom flows from discipline.
00:24:32.640 And we all fall short.
00:24:33.540 This is why we need a savior.
00:24:36.360 So we all fall short, and certainly I do.
00:24:38.880 But true freedom is built on discipline and self-discipline, because if you're disciplined
00:24:43.500 to do things right, it gives you more opportunity, greater ability to chase your goals and dreams.
00:24:47.820 And so that's the understanding that we need to have.
00:24:52.900 So yeah, I do think that's the case.
00:24:54.500 I also think, though, I would add one thing to your description of the left.
00:24:58.080 They're not only for doing anything.
00:24:59.760 They're for doing anything as long as you don't criticize me, too.
00:25:02.200 So it used to be you could have a debate.
00:25:05.020 To me, this is the scariest thing happening, is the attack on the First Amendment.
00:25:10.320 Because it used to be, I talk about this in the book, Dennis Kucinich is a friend of
00:25:14.220 mine.
00:25:14.780 Dennis Kucinich is an old-school liberal.
00:25:16.780 He believes in the First Amendment.
00:25:18.540 And Dennis showed up at our oldest daughter's wedding.
00:25:21.700 I mean, he's a friend.
00:25:23.600 I don't agree with him.
00:25:24.380 He's a crazy lefty.
00:25:25.240 He doesn't agree with me.
00:25:26.340 But he believes in the First Amendment.
00:25:28.900 Have a debate.
00:25:30.020 Make your best argument.
00:25:30.920 Let's see who wins.
00:25:31.540 Then we'll move on to the next issue and have that debate and see how it plays out.
00:25:34.720 Today's left is different.
00:25:35.840 Today's left is, if you don't agree with me, you're not allowed to talk.
00:25:39.160 And if you try, I'm going to call you a racist, and we're going to try to cancel you.
00:25:43.860 And America said, no, you're not.
00:25:45.980 We've had it.
00:25:47.100 We're sick of the terms, call us deplorable, call us racist, call us those hillbillies
00:25:52.940 and flyover country.
00:25:54.420 That doesn't work anymore.
00:25:55.800 Forget it.
00:25:56.280 You can call them.
00:25:56.900 I've been called every name you can imagine.
00:25:58.720 I know you have, too.
00:25:59.540 You go to college campuses, which is really brave.
00:26:01.720 So we're tired of that.
00:26:03.460 We're going to stand up and speak the truth, and we're going to defend the First Amendment
00:26:06.040 because over the last year, every single right we enjoy as Americans under the First Amendment
00:26:10.480 has been assaulted.
00:26:11.680 And I think Americans have had it.
00:26:13.020 You're right to practice your faith.
00:26:16.560 You're right to assemble.
00:26:17.500 You're right to petition your government.
00:26:18.800 Freedom of the press.
00:26:20.000 Freedom of speech.
00:26:20.820 Everyone's been attacked.
00:26:21.780 There are places in America today, a full congregation still can't meet on a Sunday morning.
00:26:25.720 Right.
00:26:26.380 In America?
00:26:27.380 Right.
00:26:28.680 So I think that's one of the unifying themes for conservatives and for making our conservative
00:26:36.720 movement even bigger.
00:26:37.780 But, Congressman, what the left will tell you, and frankly, what I think some of the squishes
00:26:41.960 even on the right will tell you, is a lot of the incursions into free speech are not
00:26:47.400 being pushed by the government exactly.
00:26:49.880 When Facebook and Twitter and YouTube kick you off, even if they kick off the duly elected
00:26:54.640 sitting president of the United States, well, they're private businesses.
00:26:58.340 Freedom demands that we let Mark Zuckerberg and hipster Rasputin, Jack Dorsey, and all the
00:27:03.540 rest of them control the speech in our republic.
00:27:06.460 Go build your own Google, they say.
00:27:08.800 Right.
00:27:09.280 Well, why doesn't that argument hold up?
00:27:11.160 Yeah, because, I mean, first of all, this is why, the one bill we talked about earlier,
00:27:15.520 this is why you've got to take away their liability protection.
00:27:17.900 Second, one of the pieces of legislation we're looking at putting together, now, again, we'd
00:27:23.140 have to have a Republican majority and a Republican president, but it's an expedited way to get
00:27:27.400 these antitrust issues to the Supreme Court.
00:27:29.960 Justice Thomas, as indicated, seems to me, he's pretty clearly indicated he wants to deal
00:27:34.300 with this issue.
00:27:34.940 So we need to get that to the court in a much quicker fashion than traditionally happens with
00:27:41.940 antitrust issues.
00:27:43.340 So I think those are on the legislative side.
00:27:44.980 But you're right.
00:27:45.500 When you've got someone this big having this much influence, I mean, it was, I think I write
00:27:51.140 about this, too, but it was like three years ago in the summer.
00:27:55.300 I'm literally walking in the Rayburn office building, and I get a call from Matt Gates.
00:27:59.560 And he didn't even say hello.
00:28:01.820 He just, typical Matt, he's always, he's got ADD like you and I got.
00:28:05.880 But he goes, Jim, Twitter is shadow banning us.
00:28:08.820 And, you know, Matt's young like you guys.
00:28:10.840 And I was like, Matt, that sounds terrible, but what's shadow banning?
00:28:13.540 Go on.
00:28:14.580 So he explained it to me, and it turned out they were.
00:28:17.660 And they were, think about it, they were shadow banning four members of Congress.
00:28:21.120 Gates, Meadows, Nunes, Jordan.
00:28:24.320 And I'm like, oh, interesting, four.
00:28:26.820 And, you know, 435 members in the House, 100 senators, 535, only four.
00:28:33.520 And Jack Dorsey said, well, it was just a glitch in their algorithm.
00:28:37.740 And I'm like, yeah, I was being interviewed, and I said, glitch in your algorithm?
00:28:41.280 What did you put in the algorithm?
00:28:42.500 The names Gates, Meadows, Nunes, Jordan.
00:28:44.720 It's like a monkey on a typewriter writing Shakespeare.
00:28:47.560 Yeah, exactly.
00:28:48.160 Yes, it could happen.
00:28:48.920 Maybe.
00:28:49.520 Maybe it was just chance.
00:28:50.600 So, yeah, this is what, and as the example you point out, the Ayatollah can tweet, but
00:28:56.400 President Trump can't?
00:28:57.660 Like, give me a break.
00:28:58.600 So Americans see it, and we're looking at different, you know, alternative platforms.
00:29:04.560 All that's good.
00:29:05.540 But in the end, Congress is going to have to act.
00:29:07.960 And I think those two avenues certainly are where we should start, and it may have to be
00:29:12.360 more.
00:29:13.060 It's in a way ironic, though maybe not, that conservatives used to be on the side of the
00:29:19.440 big tech, before they were really, really big tech, because the new media gave conservatives
00:29:24.260 an opportunity to break through the gatekeepers of the old media.
00:29:27.280 But they didn't like that very much, and especially after 2016, they hated it.
00:29:30.740 So they clamped down on us.
00:29:31.960 And I guess it just seems like a matter of priorities.
00:29:35.460 Of course we want flourishing free enterprise.
00:29:37.960 We want entrepreneurship.
00:29:39.000 We want all these things.
00:29:40.840 Not at the expense of our most basic political rights to speak.
00:29:44.340 If Sundar Pichai at Google is shutting me up, it doesn't make me feel better that he
00:29:49.800 doesn't technically work for the government.
00:29:51.600 I need my right to be able to speak and control my own government.
00:29:55.700 Yeah, because that's the most fundamental liberty we have.
00:29:58.140 I tell people, it's even more important than your right to practice your faith.
00:30:02.340 Because if you can't talk, how can you practice your faith?
00:30:05.540 How can you share your faith?
00:30:06.820 You have to be able to speak.
00:30:08.640 It is fundamental.
00:30:09.440 And again, I go through, because I'm just shocked by this, your right to assemble, this
00:30:16.480 was six, seven months ago.
00:30:17.720 I spoke to the New Mexico Republican Party in Amarillo, Texas, because they had to go
00:30:23.020 to Texas to get freedom to assemble, because their Democrat governor wouldn't let them get
00:30:28.040 together.
00:30:28.560 I mean, in America, this kind of stuff is, until a couple weeks ago, you couldn't even
00:30:32.080 come to your Capitol to petition your member of Congress to redress your grievances, because
00:30:37.660 Nancy Pelosi wouldn't let you in.
00:30:39.600 But all that's terrible.
00:30:41.560 But the biggest one is, when you can't talk, when you can't communicate.
00:30:45.680 And when last election, 2020 presidential election, when big tech and big media colluded
00:30:52.580 to keep the American people, in just the weeks right before the election, to keep the American
00:30:57.120 people from hearing the number one story that they should have had access to at that
00:31:00.120 time, the Hunter Biden story, they said, oh no, it's misinformation.
00:31:03.500 We had an eyewitness.
00:31:04.980 We had documents.
00:31:06.240 We had a laptop.
00:31:07.020 We had photos.
00:31:07.440 Yeah, it's like, but no, no, it was misinformation.
00:31:12.120 That's frightening.
00:31:12.980 And that's why this is so important, and we have to get a remedy.
00:31:15.900 Yes.
00:31:16.440 And so much of what you're saying has this kind of religious aspect to it.
00:31:22.740 I mean, even down to the word revival, or down to our rights, or, you know, the freedom
00:31:28.000 to practice, I mean, literally the freedom to practice our faith when they shut down the
00:31:30.980 churches.
00:31:32.500 Just to sound a little pessimistic again, and I hope you shut down my pessimism, America
00:31:37.840 seems to be getting more secular.
00:31:39.700 America seems to be getting more liberal.
00:31:41.340 That's what the polls say.
00:31:43.880 I agree with you.
00:31:45.100 I feel that there is some deeper pulse in the American people, and maybe it's about to
00:31:49.560 jump out.
00:31:50.580 But looking at those numbers, one, do you think that we can recover the American tradition
00:31:56.040 if we lose our faith, if we become more and more secular?
00:32:00.240 And two, what does the revival look like?
00:32:05.480 Well, no, good questions.
00:32:09.640 I think part of the reason that we sort of summon the blame, if we're not as Christian-focused
00:32:16.840 as we should be, which I think is accurate, some of the blame comes to us.
00:32:21.520 You know, I look at, like, standards that we all have in our personal life where maybe,
00:32:25.080 well, okay, we need to improve and set that better example.
00:32:27.740 So I think part of it is we've got to look at ourselves as well.
00:32:30.600 Main and mirror.
00:32:31.120 Yeah.
00:32:31.640 I mean, exactly.
00:32:33.200 But I don't know.
00:32:34.180 I just...
00:32:35.480 I mean, you live in America, you've got to be optimistic.
00:32:38.540 I think it happens.
00:32:40.020 I think it is electing conservatives who will actually go fight for the things they told
00:32:46.760 you they were going to fight for.
00:32:48.200 I think it's a focus on the Constitution.
00:32:50.660 I think it's a real focus on people in office and the country understanding better the rights
00:32:56.880 that we've enjoyed, that were given to us, passed down to us, that we have under the First
00:33:02.400 Amendment.
00:33:02.780 I always say my favorite scripture verse, I guess one of the reasons I got an optimistic
00:33:09.760 attitude about it, my favorite scripture verse is 2 Timothy 4, 7.
00:33:14.060 And Paul's the old guy giving advice to the young guy, Timothy.
00:33:17.000 And he tells them to fight the good fight, finish the course, keep the faith.
00:33:21.460 And I always say I like that verse because it's not a wimpy verse.
00:33:25.960 It's a verse of action.
00:33:28.000 And Americans aren't wimpy people.
00:33:29.340 We're not timid people.
00:33:30.600 We're Americans.
00:33:31.540 Like, what's the goal?
00:33:32.340 Let's go make it happen.
00:33:33.160 It's fight, finish, keep.
00:33:35.580 So I think that's in us.
00:33:37.860 And I just feel like we'll do it.
00:33:40.700 And it manifests itself in putting people in office who understand that, understand the
00:33:49.180 Constitution.
00:33:50.160 And then probably also just in communities where get involved.
00:33:54.020 I think we're going to see more people get involved.
00:33:55.560 I mean, whoever thought we'd have the number of people showing up at school board meetings?
00:33:58.900 Right.
00:33:59.660 And people actually run in for school board.
00:34:01.320 That's got to be the worst job in history, right?
00:34:03.200 Being on a school board, who would want that job, you know?
00:34:05.160 And who would have thought they'd be talking about critical race theory, this bizarro leftist
00:34:10.660 academic lens from Harvard Law School.
00:34:13.480 But the American people see it.
00:34:15.860 They see the effects of it.
00:34:16.860 They show up for this terrible job.
00:34:18.340 You know who else loved that verse that you quoted?
00:34:21.260 Ronald Reagan.
00:34:22.260 Oh, really?
00:34:22.620 Ronald Reagan would quote it.
00:34:23.300 I didn't even know that.
00:34:24.020 And I love, I mean, this is, I guess, the point of the book.
00:34:28.000 Do What You Said You Would Do, is that we need to do it.
00:34:31.820 It is all too often, I feel, that these young, older conservatives, they just want to dig
00:34:40.160 up the corpse of Ronald Reagan.
00:34:41.400 They want to reanimate him somehow and have him fight all of our battles for us.
00:34:44.940 And just say the same old things that we said in the 80s and try to go back to the glory
00:34:48.360 days.
00:34:49.160 But no, we've got to fight.
00:34:50.500 He fought his battles.
00:34:51.780 We have to fight our battles too.
00:34:53.680 Politicians need to do what they said that they will do and not pass the buck.
00:34:57.560 And I say it truly without any flattery.
00:34:59.480 You are one of the guys doing it.
00:35:00.840 And it's a great inspiration.
00:35:02.440 You're doing the hard work, man.
00:35:03.680 You go to college campuses and God bless you, man.
00:35:08.340 Our security is not as good.
00:35:09.860 That's true.
00:35:10.700 The rotten tomatoes go further.
00:35:12.280 But Congressman, thank you very much for coming on.
00:35:14.900 I hope that everyone goes and buys the book.
00:35:17.920 Do What You Said You Would Do.
00:35:20.240 And then, Congressman, I hope that you are the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.
00:35:24.520 And I hope you will do what you said you will do.
00:35:26.580 And I'm certain and confident that you will.
00:35:29.140 Thank you.
00:35:29.580 Thanks for having me on.
00:35:30.280 Well, thanks for coming on.
00:35:30.960 You bet.
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