Spencer Klavan is STUNNED By Michael's Answer ｜ YES or NO
Episode Stats
Length
1 hour and 10 minutes
Words per minute
176.47815
Harmful content
Misogyny
16
sentences flagged
Toxicity
61
sentences flagged
Hate speech
33
sentences flagged
Summary
The Yes or No Game is available for pre-order now, and it's a Christmas gift to you, the listener. It's a card game that tests how well you know your friends and family and loved ones. You can play with up to 9 people and discuss all the most important issues of the day, including: Do aliens exist? What are the merits of vegan suffrage? What do you know about God, life, the universe?
Transcript
00:00:00.120
Skipping leg day is a lot like attending a liberal arts college and staying committed to your cheating girlfriend.
00:00:07.740
In both cases, you are throwing your life away while also acting like a butter-soft simp who just hopes things will work themselves out.
00:00:30.000
Like the former president, I have a major announcement.
00:00:36.520
If you go right now to dailywire.com slash shop, you can get your very own copy of the Yes or No game.
00:00:47.080
Look at this. We've got game pieces in here. We've got a scorecard. We've got cards.
00:00:50.640
This is the real deal. We had an initial run of these. I think we had about 1,000 boxes of this game.
00:01:00.260
And so, unfortunately, I think we would have sold 10,000 of these things had we had them in time for Christmas.
00:01:05.700
You can't get it as a stocking stuffer, but you can pre-order your copy right now.
00:01:09.460
And you should pre-order because I think these are going to sell out to dailywire.com slash shop.
00:01:12.800
You can play with up to nine people. Test how well you know your friends and family and loved ones.
00:01:19.080
Discuss all the most important issues of the day.
00:01:28.620
What do you know about God, life, the whole universe?
00:01:35.440
Get your copy of the Yes or No game in the flesh.
00:01:42.920
We have in the flesh here my very good friend of many, many years.
00:01:50.860
When you buy the game, does it come with the day drinking?
00:01:53.080
It does. It does. You can. It's not required that you have a couple of Coca-Colas when you
00:01:57.780
play the game, but you can, and I, for one, encourage it.
00:02:02.060
It does enhance the experience. We have our drinks. I have a bit of a girly drink.
0.94
00:02:06.620
You know, I actually think the martini, it's a manly drink.
00:02:12.880
It gets a bad rap because people put berries and things.
00:02:16.120
That, okay, this is very important. Maybe this is, like, you know, a side piece, but
00:02:21.840
If you, like, sugar, if you've got, like, sugar around the rim, you're serving something else.
00:02:27.440
Now, you have a delicious glass of scotch.
0.96
00:02:29.940
I do. I saw this troll on Twitter who said, it was like, you know, all these conservatives,
00:02:33.940
they grow these beards to try to look manly.
0.94
00:02:38.500
And so I thought, I not only have a beard, I have whiskey neat at 2.30 in the afternoon.
00:02:44.260
I am one of those manly conservatives you heard about.
00:02:47.160
You know, 2.30 is usually when I go to the dentist.
00:02:57.200
Like porn, violent or graphic video games are bad for society and should be banned.
00:03:14.200
So I have to say whether you think that's true or not.
00:03:47.800
So I say conditionally, it's a real margin call.
00:03:50.480
Only because I do think that some video games can warp your mind.
00:03:56.020
Like when I was playing Donkey Kong Country as a kid, man, that stuff had me messed up, okay?
00:04:03.260
Yeah, I was walking around throwing barrels at people everywhere I went.
00:04:07.000
I was, I never played a lot of video games, but I did get a kick out of Grand Theft Auto.
00:04:15.420
It was shocking, but when I was learning to drive, because I had played Grand Theft Auto
00:04:20.340
a lot, where all I would ever do is I'd try to hit the guys on the motorcycle and make
00:04:24.720
When I was learning to drive, there was a motorcycle coming down the road.
00:04:33.040
I had the impulse to veer in and hit him head on.
0.79
00:04:39.440
And so I think in extreme cases, there should be some regulatory authority to set standards
00:04:49.880
But broadly speaking, like I wouldn't ban Call of Duty or something like that.
00:04:56.200
Well, somebody obviously knows me because they're trying to, they're trying to mess with me with
00:05:01.060
I mean, I am kind of, not famously, but known as some, like a kind of video game optimist.
00:05:08.260
I think they contain some of the great works of art of our generation.
00:05:12.000
I think like as fine art has dithered into abstraction and obscurity, you can actually
00:05:17.160
turn on like Final Fantasy and see panoramas like, you know, unlike anything else that's
00:05:22.620
So all of that to say like, I'm a total lib about this.
00:05:26.220
And part of this, I think, is probably because my taste in video games is like Crash Bandicoot,
00:05:32.060
like Fuzzy McFuzzerson defeats the evil dragon.
00:05:41.300
Because in Crash Bandicoot, you don't carjack hookers that shoot them, right?
1.00
00:05:50.060
And then, so then it's, and I do, I mean, I like like God of War was one of my favorite
00:05:54.400
Everything is of war, but the Gears of War game.
00:05:56.200
And those are definitely, I wouldn't give them to a child, you know, like, and I think
00:06:00.960
like, there's a huge domain of parental supervision and engagement.
00:06:05.940
It's one of those problems that goes like way deeper than the thing that is the tip of
00:06:11.340
It's like, well, the breakdown of society, like, you know, the failure of the modern
00:06:15.200
American family, like the corrosion of our values, all of it, like, you know, you'd have
1.00
00:06:19.420
to rectify all of that before I would be like, and you also should ban the video.
00:06:23.300
But I, I mean, like, like movies, I definitely don't think, you know, I think there should
00:06:26.860
be some restrictions in place to make sure kids aren't playing like Grand Theft Auto.
00:06:32.440
So since we both got it right, we just chose to drink anyway.
00:06:36.940
I, I, that's, I, I can't, the, the glass is too appealing.
00:06:40.760
And it's, the other thing, I've, I've really restricted my drinking on this show in some
00:06:44.320
recent episodes because we shot the thing at like 10 in the morning.
00:06:48.500
And even for me, all right, even I am not that much of a degenerate.
00:07:04.580
One of the most overrated writers in history is Shakespeare.
00:07:08.340
I did not know that Stephen Crowder thinks this.
00:07:20.200
That Shakespeare is the most overrated writer in history?
00:07:37.480
Like, there's just a huge, like that chick that wrote the, uh, the poem at the inauguration.
00:07:43.180
I mean, I saw, I was in a bookshop the other day and I saw two collections of her poetry.
00:07:56.760
The things that I don't know because I know that is probably too depressing to think about.
00:08:01.100
Like, there's some line of poetry I've forgotten, but I know Amanda Gorman's.
00:08:03.640
I remember a line of literary criticism where the late, great literary critic Harold Bloom
00:08:15.120
So, I'm going to make the strongest possible case for this.
00:08:18.720
I mean, because, for one thing, it's impossible to be more highly rated than Shakespeare.
00:08:23.700
I mean, you know, if you leave aside the woke crazies who, like, is that white man, whatever,
00:08:26.960
you know, he is kind of, his name is, like, synonymous with literary excellence.
00:08:30.820
And I at least think that there are some other writers in the English canon, Milton, for
00:08:35.580
instance, even if just, you're just restricting yourself to, like, English language poetry.
00:08:39.020
There's definitely other contenders for the throne of the great poet of English.
00:08:44.420
And the other thing you could kind of adduce, as perhaps Crowder does, who knows,
00:08:49.180
is that, you know, Shakespeare's reputation is kind of invented in the generations after
00:08:55.640
his death by, you know, Johnson and Boswell and, you know, those great, who put him on
00:09:01.020
the stage with, like, Aeschylus and he's our, you know, he's the English languages.
00:09:05.280
But I don't know, man, you know, for God's sake, let us sit upon the ground and tell sad
00:09:10.880
stories of the death of kings, how some have been deposed, some sleeping killed, some poisoned
00:09:17.120
by their wives, all murdered, for within the hollow crown that rounds the mortal temples
00:09:26.060
And there the antic sits, allowing him a breath, a little space, to monarchize, be feared, and
00:09:35.040
kill with looks, and, humored thus, comes at the last, and with a little pin, bores through
00:09:48.460
Cover your heads, and mock not flesh and blood with solemn ceremony, for you have but mistook
00:09:56.860
I live with bread, like you, taste, want, feel, grief, need, friends, subjected thus, how
00:10:17.380
Remember, Jew, though justice be thy plea, consider that no, it's one of the more politically
1.00
00:10:23.460
I was going to say, you're getting us banned even without the bad questions.
00:10:26.860
I was getting us banned by reading Merchant of Venice.
00:10:29.800
Ultimately, when you're faced with a genius of that totality, which really, I mean, the
00:10:35.700
language aside, the completeness of his vision of human life, the capacity of it.
00:10:40.320
I mean, we've been talking a lot about Dante lately, and I think he's maybe the person you
00:10:44.220
could put next to Shakespeare for that just, like, totalizing vision of human life.
00:10:48.860
It's got to come from one mind, and I have no, I've seen no evidence why it shouldn't have
00:10:54.500
And if it was some guy named Bob, like, what difference does it make?
00:10:59.800
I love when they say Shakespeare was actually, he was actually multiple people.
00:11:03.440
And I think, yeah, because you know, you know what produces really great art?
00:11:08.880
Committees are known for their artistic vision and skill, right?
00:11:15.380
I am more inclined to believe that the earth is flat than that bodies were recovered from
00:11:25.560
Okay, after we answer this, we have to diagram.
00:11:29.900
Actually, I'm seeing many verbs, and I'd like a lot, yeah, snaking.
00:11:34.820
Okay, so I am trying to decide whether you think it's more likely that the earth is flat
00:11:48.920
I thought it was easy, and then it turned out to be hard.
00:12:08.120
No, I am much more inclined to believe in the flat earth theory, since the earth actually
00:12:20.380
Okay, so that was why I instantly went for, you know, and then I thought, actually, he's
00:12:25.740
probably going to say that Owen Barfield, yes, go on.
00:12:34.720
The definition of an angel or a demon is that they're pure spirit.
00:12:38.700
So they didn't, whatever they found at Roswell or whatever, you know, Soviet spy planes, even
00:12:43.720
if they found a demon, they wouldn't be able to grab his body.
00:12:49.120
What about what Beatrice says to Dante when he asks her whether the blessed souls really
00:12:59.140
She says, they showed themselves to you here, not because this is their sphere, they all
00:13:02.760
live in the Empyrean, but as a sign for you, since this is suited to your senses.
00:13:06.400
And in this way, the Bible condescends, right, to speak of God as having hands and feet, but
00:13:12.240
All of this to say, right, like, couldn't, it might be the case that although angels and
00:13:20.420
I suppose that's true, but I guess the way I picture that, because we entertain angels
00:13:24.720
And I could give you examples where I'm quite confident this actually happened.
00:13:29.760
But I'll tell you, I didn't reach out and grab them.
00:13:32.320
I kind of wonder if there really were demons or something, you know, at Roswell.
00:13:36.020
The moment that the cops went out there to get him, it'd be like a B ghost movie, where
00:13:41.840
they go grab him and just feel like, you know, they just kind of fall right in.
00:13:45.680
Now, so, I was correct on the Flat Earth thing?
00:13:52.480
You're more inclined to believe in the Flat Earth.
00:13:54.080
Well, but only, is that what you said, that I'm more inclined to believe?
00:13:57.880
But only in this Owen Barfield-y way, which we should probably define since people are going
00:14:02.280
to be watching as I'm asking, which is to say that the notion that there is a scientific
00:14:09.940
theory of physical space that doesn't simply correspond to our perceptions, but actually
00:14:18.800
outlines the bedrock of reality, is heretical and a scientific fallacy.
00:14:24.480
This is why, right, this is the problem with Galileo.
00:14:28.100
It's not that he thinks the Earth revolves around the sun.
00:14:31.700
One, it's that he thinks there is an answer to, does the Earth revolve around the sun
00:14:35.480
or vice versa, which reflects some absolute fundamental truth, which makes a fundamental
00:14:43.560
Sometimes, if people ask the Galileo question, they'll say, does the Earth revolve around the
00:14:48.200
And I'll say, man is the center of the universe.
00:14:50.120
They'll say, but, you know, does the Earth revolve?
00:14:51.860
I'll say, the best way I have of describing reality is that man is at the center of the universe.
00:15:06.260
Well, literally and you're telling me that the fundament of reality is some stupid rock?
0.98
00:15:14.040
And, I mean, it is, in fact, true, so far as I understand, that you can describe the
00:15:18.800
universe as, you know, revolving around the Earth.
00:15:22.300
I mean, it's just the equations are a lot more complicated.
00:15:24.240
But the fact that they're more complicated doesn't mean that they don't actually describe,
00:15:29.060
you know, they don't predict the outcomes of our observations.
00:15:32.300
That is all, like, it is a kind of a fiction, a pernicious fiction, that when we write math,
00:15:39.340
which predicts physical outcomes, we are somehow getting something more real than the experience,
00:15:46.120
the quote-unquote subjective, which by which people usually mean arbitrary, right?
00:15:49.620
The experience of the world as it occurs to our senses.
00:15:55.420
And so the argument that the Earth is flat is not that if you walked far enough, you'd fall off it.
00:16:00.880
But that for your, in your experience of the world, it is flat.
00:16:05.940
You don't have to account for its curvature as you walk.
00:16:09.340
So, yeah, I think that's true, although that's not what the conspiracy theory...
00:16:14.000
I guess the conspiracy theory is also scientistic and is also referring to a physical.
00:16:22.980
Well, the question that keeps coming up, what is a woman?
0.99
00:16:26.160
And, unfortunately, the conservative answer keeps being two X chromosomes and a uterus.
00:16:32.780
Even that's better than two X chromosomes and a uterus.
0.93
00:16:38.520
That's a much more accurate and descriptive answer.
00:16:42.560
Yeah, I would say, you know, it's a two-legged rational animal, you know, of the female gender.
0.99
00:16:48.080
And, yeah, there is this problem, and this happens a lot, I think.
00:16:54.720
It occurred to me just the other day that there's a certain form of biblical literalism,
00:17:01.460
Because you start out with the true statement that everything in the Bible is true.
00:17:05.260
And then you defend that statement by trying to claim that every word of the Bible corresponds to a physical event in space and time.
00:17:15.040
Which, you know, again, if you chase this down, you get, like, in the Psalms, you get the earth revolving around the...
00:17:19.820
Or you get the sun, rather, moving across the sky, revolving around the earth, and so forth.
00:17:23.540
But, and this is a con that the libs pull the traditionalists into, which is they say, like, oh, well, you can't prove, you know, show me on a map.
00:17:32.320
And then our response is, like, yes, I can show you on a map.
00:17:37.500
And, of course, the response should be that's a completely childish and untenable view of the world, even according to science.
00:17:43.740
Like, even once you get down to the quantum level, you realize that perception does have this, like, fundamental role to play.
00:17:51.920
Like, oh, it's when these lips, which are made up of these atoms, kind of do this, like, it's like this thing, and then, like, maybe a little, like, a tongue, if you're French, kind of comes in.
00:18:17.440
There's no possible way that a gym selfie could be considered an appropriate thing for a self-respecting man to post on Instagram.
00:18:27.400
Well, you know my answer to this, but I'm not sure I know yours.
00:18:31.120
We're going to spill a little bit of tea here, I think.
00:18:56.020
And I must have gotten this from you, so I guess it's sort of cheating, but when I think of arete, when I think of real excellence, okay,
00:19:04.520
I think, yes, we can demonstrate our intellectual, yes, oh, and yes, we can demonstrate some virtues through acts of kindness and charity,
00:19:13.220
but also we need to post-physique is what we need to do, because the physical excellence matters, too.
00:19:19.520
This is in the central, one of the central chapters of my book, which I should probably talk about, because I'm supposed to, like, publish it.
00:19:31.180
It's called How to Save the West, and there's a whole section on the body and the relationship between body and soul.
00:19:34.920
And this is, it's a tricky thing, because I accept the premise of the question, which is, if I were to rephrase it, I would say there's no possible way that most gym selfies that get posted are something that a self-respecting man would post on Instagram.
00:19:54.320
On the other hand, we live in a culture where, in order to break down every standard of objective excellence, we are constantly assaulted with ugliness.
00:20:10.100
That is one of the major kind of means of our, I wouldn't even call it, you know, I mean, leftist is almost too small a term for it.
00:20:19.920
It's like, you know, my friend James Poulos calls it the Borg, right?
00:20:23.100
It's this totalizing, out-of-control kind of sameness.
00:20:27.840
And, you know, in C.S. Lewis's Screwtape Proposes in Toast, he has a perversion of democracy, which is kind of reflected also in, like, de Tocqueville, the total equalizing impulse that I'm as good as you, everything is good as everything else.
00:20:43.280
And, you know, why are we constantly being shown images of obese women in their underwear, right?
1.00
00:20:52.900
And the Victoria's Secret billboards and the catalog, it'd have super hot chicks.
1.00
00:20:59.520
And the minute you say this, people say, you hate fat people.
0.99
00:21:09.860
But the point is not at all what is the range of things it's okay for a person to be.
00:21:23.000
And to deny that there's such a thing as physical excellence is corrosive and demeaning and belittling to people.
00:21:34.540
I know, I say this as an international sex symbol.
00:21:37.460
Let's recognize physical beauty and excellence where it is.
00:21:46.580
America will not correct course and will cease to exist as we know it before 2050.
00:22:18.380
Well, I know that pessimism is like a favorite pastime of the conservative movement.
00:22:25.500
And I'm only saying no because of the absolutism of the prediction, which I reject out of hand.
00:22:30.520
I think nothing is written in the stars until it happens.
00:22:33.080
I also think, you know, things could go terribly wrong.
00:22:36.120
You can always see how things could go terribly wrong.
00:22:38.020
But there's a ton of, you know, energy and excitement also about recognizing the problem,
00:22:43.200
more than I think has been true in a long time.
00:22:52.600
You know, I was wrong because I underestimated your optimism.
00:22:57.520
You were right because you overestimated my optimism.
00:23:02.900
My feeling is that America won't be so fundamentally different in the future from where we are now.
00:23:08.520
It'll just kind of, yeah, we're already on like a kind of a bad path.
00:23:17.560
But there's a difference between a conservative optimist and a conservative pessimist.
00:23:22.760
A conservative pessimist says things can't get any worse.
00:23:26.420
And a conservative optimist says, oh, yes, they can.
00:23:31.520
Yeah, I mean, it's big like, you know, late Western Roman Empire hours.
00:23:39.220
You know, we could elect a horse as a senator.
0.76
00:23:42.780
All right, we got to answer some of these questions.
00:24:11.660
It's another one of these hard questions because Paul reaches for the Stoics almost more than
00:24:18.220
I mean, I don't have like a tally, but I feel like he's more into the Stoics than any other
00:24:23.820
And John, the prelude to John's gospel in the beginning was the word is obviously in some
00:24:32.460
But Stoicism full stop is incompatible with Christianity, right?
00:24:38.480
It's the cyclical notion of time, this whole thing that like the soul dissolves into atoms
00:24:44.540
like or whatever the soul is made out of, right?
00:24:49.140
But I think Stoicism is one of the most easily baptizable and most frequently baptized forms.
00:24:54.320
I noticed a lot of kind of tech bros and Silicon Valley types got really into Stoicism in the
00:25:01.040
And I think that is not contrary to what I see as a Christian revival.
00:25:05.420
I think it's sort of part of the Christian revival.
00:25:10.700
This is, I just wrote this whole, we're coming out with this new introduction to the Stoics,
00:25:16.440
We're just reprinting some old translations, but I wrote a forward to it.
00:25:19.280
So I did a lot of this, like, you know, I went on the Reddit forum for Stoicism, which is huge.
00:25:25.480
Yeah, every night, you know, right before bed, I'm...
00:25:27.880
I know, you think you're joking, but it's like half a million people are on it.
00:25:30.560
Like, these Reddit bros be like, you know, scrolling through Epictetus, you know?
00:25:37.240
And I did find a lot of this kind of, it's sort of like Christian atheism, you know?
00:25:41.740
It's like, I like the thing that this delivers, but I don't want to like the bullet of metaphysics of it.
00:25:46.700
And so I did find a lot of people being like, well, you can't really talk about gods anymore.
00:25:52.120
But, you know, it's like, well, look, I mean, the things that appeal about Stoicism are all things that, you know,
00:25:57.100
we come to us through Christianity, like all men are brothers, right?
00:26:08.080
So something must be spiritual about that and it must be real.
00:26:10.580
And I do think there's like a temptation among these people to be like, oh, I got Stoicism, now I have a false.
00:26:18.300
It's like, you think, you think Tidus is epic, you know?
00:26:23.920
Yeah, let me tell you about a little somebody called John of Patmos.
00:26:56.700
I mean, not only is it okay to be white, not a racist statement,
00:27:01.940
but calling it a racist statement is how you end up with actual white supremacists.
00:27:08.540
At a certain point, I think, you know, I'm truly as open-minded, sort of.
00:27:15.680
I'm like the only guy in the conservative movement, probably other than you,
00:27:20.200
And I, and I don't think about race almost ever.
00:27:24.340
But I think, you know, if you're, if you just come up to me and you say like,
00:27:29.620
Yeah, nobody would have ever had to, like, you know, I, it would have never,
00:27:35.040
Like 20 years ago for me or anybody to be like, go out there and pump my fist
00:27:43.460
And so naturally, I think you and I both are fairly affable fellows, you know?
00:27:47.600
We don't want to like go out here carrying signs that say things like, you know,
00:27:53.260
Nobody wants to be, better things to do with my time and more interesting things to say.
00:27:57.020
But like, but if you're going to call it into question, then yeah.
00:28:21.620
We need to talk about grammar, but we'll get to that later.
00:28:23.700
Libertarians are basically communists who either shower or don't live off their parents.
00:28:42.900
I feel like I have to make you drink just to be like nice.
00:28:46.620
Look, some of my best friends are libertarians.
00:28:50.740
Some of my best friends are fat libertarians.
0.98
00:28:58.260
The statement's correct because the libertarians and the communists, I think, ultimately share
00:29:07.040
Ultimately, they believe that men are fundamentally individuals born primarily in as much as we
00:29:13.680
have a political life with rights and entitlements.
00:29:17.380
And the commies say we're all individuals, and then they bunch us all up together in their
00:29:20.940
sort of hideous collective, and the libertarians just don't get to that next stage.
00:29:25.000
But both of them reject the reality of man as not merely an individual, but as a social
00:29:30.780
being, as a political animal born into a family, in time and space, into a community, into a
00:29:35.880
nation, with, I think, primarily duties and obligations and traditions.
00:29:44.020
But that's not the primary fact of his political nature.
00:29:47.440
This is a great argument, and it's making me understand, I think, what my answer to this
00:30:02.140
Dostoyevsky, the narrator in Brothers Karamazov, very early on, says, socialism is just the
00:30:15.960
And I think this is an extremely apt statement, and you are basically saying libertarians
00:30:22.540
and communists have the same fundamental idea about human personhood, which is that we are
00:30:30.700
And even though libertarians don't chase this to its logical conclusion, that is the Tower
00:30:36.660
Let us all have one language, one place, just the total uniformity follows on from the idea
00:30:44.620
of the individual as seemingly autonomous, but actually just kind of empty, right?
00:30:49.680
Just consumer A, consumer B. And so my answer is actually, I think, going to be the same
00:30:55.960
as my answer about stoicism, which is to say stoicism alone cannot save. Libertarianism alone
00:31:02.400
is, you know, as like a totalizing philosophy of the world, is basically the metaphysics of
00:31:07.220
communism. But I know a lot of people who have libertarian ideas and leanings about how
00:31:11.820
we should operate within a constrained sphere, who are not really, you know, who think that
00:31:17.520
libertarianism is like an operating system that you can run within an already existing
00:31:23.380
And the critique of libertarianism is, well, that computer is like now completely, has
00:31:28.720
Yeah, it's totally fried, in part because of like an excess of classical liberalism.
00:31:33.700
So, yeah, I don't think you have to drink, but go on.
00:31:39.700
Okay, and by the way, Spencer, I just, I'm going to give you a little show business right
00:31:46.560
They're telling me in my ear that they split this question into two cards.
00:31:55.580
Are they, as the alien, are they giving you like directives?
00:31:59.420
They're speaking when I have an earpiece in and when I don't.
00:32:01.720
This is all those, those computer theorists are going to, on Twitter, they're going to.
00:32:12.480
We are being conditioned so that before the 2024 election, there will be a transgender
1.00
00:32:16.100
version of George Floyd along with the subsequent protests and social unrest.
00:32:30.500
I don't know how much it costs or when you're going to get it, but it is going to sell out,
00:32:34.340
But I did that, I did that just because you let me plug my book, so.
00:32:39.840
They're going to, they're going to call this, they'll call it grift, but really it's just
00:32:47.460
Okay, so, um, there will be a transgender version of George Floyd.
0.97
00:33:13.840
It's, there's like 12 of them, and I know that they're, they're trying to groom the kids
00:33:17.620
now, so it's, like, 20% plus of Gen Z, according to that one random survey.
00:33:23.460
They're questioning and everything, but, but, uh, no, it doesn't work.
00:33:26.660
There's a lot of kids out there who think they're transgender.
00:33:32.160
Also, it's just, race is the line in America that actually has been an issue from the earliest
00:33:39.840
Whereas, this new gender fad is simply that.
0.98
00:33:46.380
There was not, like, an actual crime against humanity, like, embedded into our history
00:33:54.480
Um, whereas, you're right, like, the, the whole thing about race in America is that
00:34:00.260
they're actually grabbing onto something truly awful and traumatic in our past.
00:34:05.420
Um, and the other aspect of this is it's too specific.
00:34:09.780
It's like, you know, it's, it's a little tinfoil.
00:34:11.580
Um, but, uh, I certainly think if they could, they would.
00:34:16.960
I mean, the, the version of this that's kind of, that is real is, and this, we're going to
00:34:22.540
get banned for, like, five different reasons off of YouTube.
00:34:29.380
Um, no, the, the version of this that is real is the, like, transgender people are being
1.00
00:34:38.800
They kind of have this line that goes on, and that is created to, and also, if you don't
00:34:44.780
pump your kid full of hormones, they'll commit suicide.
1.00
00:34:48.540
They totally hold you emotional hostage with all of these things, which are, which are
00:34:53.940
Um, but no, I don't think they can fabricate out of nothing.
00:34:56.700
I mean, I don't think they fabricated George Floyd out of nothing, you know?
00:35:08.440
95% of our political issues in America would be solved if benching 225 pounds was a requirement
00:35:31.220
You know, I, I remember one time, maybe it was Ann Coulter, said we need to repeal the
00:35:38.140
And she's, I'm sure she said it more than one time.
00:35:42.500
And Elisa, this was early on in our sweet little Elisa in my dating life.
00:35:47.440
And she goes, oh my gosh, that's, that's crazy.
00:35:50.260
And I sort of thought, and I said, well, what's the point of voting?
00:35:55.280
Because what, what you are being asked right now, you sweet little Elisa, would you give
00:35:58.880
up your vote to have a better political outcome?
00:36:03.020
So I thought of it and I said, because women vote for Democrats and men vote for Republicans.
00:36:10.840
And I thought, well, young people vote for Democrats.
0.56
00:36:17.080
So if you told me tomorrow, Michael, the only people over 50 get to vote.
00:36:27.940
But I'd have a better political outcome for my community.
00:36:37.620
In the hypothetical universe where you're not putting up three plates for reps.
00:36:43.820
I would still go for it because it would have a better outcome for my political community.
00:36:57.440
I mean, I am not a, like, everybody must vote, you know, like.
00:37:07.780
So, so I think, you know, I've heard good arguments for, like, you should own land to vote.
00:37:14.640
You know, I, I, I do think the question was, would our political outcomes be improved?
00:37:20.260
And the answer to that question is certainly yes.
00:37:23.580
The other question behind it is, should we therefore do it?
00:37:27.360
And I'm, I'm not, I'm enough of a lib to say just because you get better outcomes doesn't mean it's just.
00:37:32.420
There's no, there is no mechanism within politics to actually do it.
00:37:42.000
Even, even lib gym bros are way more reasonable than lib, like, couch potatoes.
00:37:51.060
There is at least a 51% chance JFK was not killed by the communist Lee Harvey Oswald.
00:38:19.420
Do, do the people who, like, I know there was just this release.
00:38:24.540
Where Tucker did a whole segment where he essentially said that the CIA was involved in JFK killing.
00:38:29.480
But, and there are all these files from the CIA and their relationship with Oswald that was sort of, have not come to pass.
00:38:36.140
But even still, does anybody say that Oswald didn't pull the trigger?
00:38:43.960
This is like, I'm kind of, I like the, I'm into the moon ones, I'm into a, you know, like, I mess around with some of those.
00:38:50.980
But, like, this is one that kind of bores me because, yeah, I sort of think he did pull the trigger.
00:38:57.120
I, like, so, no, I don't think anybody thinks it was, like, Grover.
00:39:03.600
Yeah, I don't, yeah, it wasn't just LBJ sitting on the knoll.
00:39:19.460
The Respect for Marriage Act is neither respectful nor about marriage.
00:39:36.600
Respect for Marriage Act is neither respectful nor about marriage.
00:39:41.020
So we're saying, saying yes, it is not respectful or about marriage.
00:39:46.100
If you agree that it is about neither of those things, you should say yes.
00:40:01.120
I was going to say no, and now that you've said that, I think maybe I do think yes.
00:40:06.180
Okay, don't drink and we'll explain the sides of this, I think.
00:40:17.560
No, I would say it is, it is not about respect or marriage.
00:40:25.560
So, because I, I was thinking you would say, well, it is about marriage.
00:40:30.900
No, but the people who pushed it, the libs who pushed it, I don't think they give a damn
00:40:36.680
about marriage, and I don't think they want to respect people.
00:40:38.980
I think they want to drive Jack Phillips and Masterpiece Cake Shop out of business.
00:40:42.760
And they tried to do it through the court, and the court wouldn't let them do it.
00:40:45.880
And so now, and it's not, and they take the Obergefell decision, which redefines marriage,
00:40:52.440
And they say, no, no business, no wedding website maker, no cake shop owner, whatever,
00:40:59.840
is allowed to not participate in a gay marriage.
00:41:05.240
And I think this is, that interpretation of it's not about marriage is definitely correct.
00:41:10.900
You know, I think it's about, it's nominally, obviously, about marriage.
00:41:14.880
But I agree that, and I've gotten a little red-pilled on this.
00:41:19.680
The moment is when they rejected the Lee Amendment, which basically just said in the, like,
00:41:25.660
kind of gentlest possible terms, perhaps you, you know, perhaps it's unconstitutional to
00:41:31.460
sue, not even an organization, but an individual out of existence because they expressed.
00:41:38.100
And so, yeah, I mean, I think, I agree with you about Obergefell.
00:41:42.060
I mean, we're on the same page, I think, about that.
00:41:44.060
And I think that, you know, when the bill first came up, I thought, well, I truly believe
00:41:50.980
that when it comes to, like, some sort of place in society for freedom-loving gay people,
00:42:01.020
Like, we'll call it floof, we'll call it whatever.
00:42:02.860
Like, there's something, there's some arrangement that makes sense that recognizes that a man
00:42:07.040
and a woman producing children is at the center of our civic life, is marriage, but there are
0.98
00:42:13.240
these arrangements that kind of still have a place in our society.
00:42:15.900
I think there's, like, I really believe there's room for a good reasonable.
00:42:20.500
Which is the, that is the sort of Jonathan Peugeot, who made this point on another conversation
00:42:24.380
we were having where he said, you know, if you look at medieval manuscripts, there are
00:42:29.040
all these kind of odd and eccentric things all around the corners of the page.
00:42:34.900
But they're not at the, they're not at the center of the universe.
00:42:37.320
No, you wouldn't want the guy who's, like, farting a demon out to be, I'm not making
00:42:47.600
And I think that, you know, anybody sensible of any political persuasion.
00:42:52.740
And so I thought, well, maybe there is some, Obergefell is not that.
00:42:57.180
And that's why I dispute it, not because of its outcome, but because of its logic is not
00:43:02.040
that, it's the logic of the, we talked about this before, the total all is the same, you
00:43:06.240
define your, you define reality, a man and a man in a relationship is the same as a man
00:43:11.520
I think you can believe a man and a man in a relationship is okay, you can believe it's
00:43:21.540
Because that means that men and women are the same.
00:43:24.440
And so when they, when they rejected little, little Mr. Lee, who is like, maybe you might
00:43:31.040
like to not sue people out of, out of business.
00:43:34.320
Then I was like, okay, so you're just totalitarian.
00:43:40.220
I'll tell you one other thing about that, Bill, and then I guess we have to do another
00:43:47.360
The other thing about that, Bill, that suddenly occurred to me is that all of these things
00:43:51.340
were going to codify, because we found out that actually you can't just write things
00:43:55.840
If you just write things into law via the courts, you can actually unwrite them.
00:44:00.340
And this whole, it was this absurd thing that they did where it was like precedent.
00:44:14.200
So they found this out and they were like, well, what we really need, therefore, is a bill
00:44:18.560
It's like, I have a news for you about Congress, like, every two years, like, we vote in new
00:44:27.500
And it's like, if they ever did overturn Obergefell, which I think they should do, and I think we
00:44:32.120
should re-litigate this question, if they ever did that, like, you'd just vote on another
00:44:38.160
You don't need the permission of the Supreme Court to pass a bill.
00:44:42.500
Everybody wants, on all these questions, abortion, on gay marriage, everybody wants some cataclysmic
1.00
00:44:47.780
victory that is going to, we're not going to have to think about it because one side
00:44:53.940
Like, we are having this, let us have the damn discussion.
0.99
00:44:58.760
I'm glad we both drank on it, even though I don't really.
00:45:02.220
I can't, I mean, yeah, that's the point of the drinking.
00:45:04.440
Skipping leg day is a lot like attending, it's a lot like attending a liberal arts college
00:45:09.100
and staying committed to your cheating girlfriend.
00:45:11.940
In both cases, you are throwing your life away while also acting like a butter soft simp
00:45:18.640
who just hopes things will work themselves out.
00:45:23.260
Did they make these like more and more extravagant?
00:45:40.880
Which is, I was going to say, this is like pretty self.
00:45:50.520
Okay, even when my personal interest or ego are challenged by something.
00:46:11.500
Generally speaking, if Protestants were to accept a tenet of Catholicism, either the Immaculate
00:46:17.940
Conception or Purgatory, it's more likely it would be Purgatory.
00:46:34.880
Some might say that's a strike against Protestantism in the great schismatic debates, but that's
00:46:50.400
It's very hard for many Catholics to accept the Marian dogmas, to even accept that Mary
0.99
00:46:59.200
I came back into the faith, in many ways through Protestants, some of whom now are Catholic,
00:47:04.520
actually, interestingly, or reverted to Catholicism.
00:47:07.120
But even for me, even well into it, the Marian stuff was tough for me.
0.99
00:47:13.700
And now, I find it so enriching and edifying and sanctifying and, like, really central.
00:47:24.240
If not perfectly central, like, quite close to it.
00:47:28.420
My, this Protestant would accept, would take Mary before Purgatory, although I'm open to
0.99
00:47:37.120
Um, I, I am your, I am an average Mary enjoyer, and I think, like, but, but the reason that
00:47:44.360
the correct answer to this is yes, is that people are ready, they'd be out there ready
00:47:48.500
to restart the 30 years war over this question.
00:47:51.340
I mean, if you talk to people, they will be like, they're Catholics, they are the idolaters
1.00
00:47:54.340
because they have another god, and she's a woman, and whatever.
0.79
00:47:58.720
No, you need, I mean, there is, um, C.S. Lewis says that what is beyond time and space
00:48:04.740
is so male that in relationship to it, we are all female.
00:48:08.680
This is true, this is beautiful, and it is right and just that the representative of humanity
00:48:13.720
and man's relationship to God should be a mother and a woman.
00:48:15.800
That's, that's, that to me, that's the beauty of the doctrine.
00:48:20.360
There's also, but yes, that, I would, I would go with that first, but I think most people
00:48:23.980
But on the next game, we'll, we'll, we'll talk about marriage and virginity.
00:48:27.480
But it is, I, I do remember, I remember when you got Mary-pilled and, and, or as you became
00:48:33.260
increasingly Mary-pilled, and it is, it is harder.
00:48:35.380
It's, purgatory, some of my Protestant, you know, they don't like it, but they can kind
0.99
00:48:40.240
of see more, see more of it, but, yeah, we'll have to do a whole yes or no game on Mary.
0.98
00:48:46.300
On Mary, yeah, I think the doctrinal questions.
00:48:51.660
Sisyphus is rolling a boulder toward the Grand Hilbert Hotel.
00:48:57.240
The hotel has an infinite number of rooms, but they are full, so they may not be able
00:49:03.620
If he chooses to divert his boulder, it will instead destroy the ship of Theseus.
00:49:08.780
But the ship has had all of its constituent parts replaced, so it may not actually be the
00:49:18.580
I think, I know, did people send these questions in, or did the producers just write them?
00:49:27.340
I feel like I know exactly who asked this question, but I can't, I must be wrong.
00:49:31.600
Uh, it's too late in the game to answer this question in a serious way.
00:49:45.700
There will be no existentialism sympathy on this here podcast.
00:49:56.840
We can entertain all of these possibilities, but existentialism is a bridge too far.
0.98
00:50:03.820
I can't believe you brought up the C word on this here.
0.84
00:50:10.840
Uh, if I had to pick between pre-, mid- and post-tribulation, oh, I hate this whole thing.
00:50:22.020
Uh, I tend to side with the left-behind movie take and think rapture would be pre-tribulation.
00:50:29.560
That sounds to me much more complicated than the Sisyphus question.
00:50:32.580
It's vastly more complicated, and this is a series of questions.
00:50:38.180
But do your answer, and then I will go on my way.
00:50:53.620
I'm being the worst Protestant here because this is like, especially for evangelical Protestants,
1.00
00:51:06.400
It's about whether the thousand-year reign is going to be, I'm going to get this so,
00:51:10.240
so bungled, but it's about whether, like, the lake of fire and the thousand-year reign,
00:51:22.780
To me, this is a question on which we are expressly told we have no idea.
00:51:31.780
No one, not even the sun, but only the Father in heaven.
00:51:35.000
And so I find all of this to be vastly above my pay grade.
00:51:38.740
I think the book of Revelation is a profound mystic vision, which, if read carefully, it's
00:51:44.580
like people always say, is the tribulation, is the revelation, whatever, is it about the
00:51:49.580
sacking of the temple in, you know, by the Romans after Christ's death, or is it about
00:51:57.780
Like, you know, there are real historical events that this refers to, and those historical
00:52:01.580
Is the book of Revelation a mystical description of the Holy Mass?
00:52:08.700
And so all of this simply to say, like, stop worrying about it.
00:52:33.000
Didn't you just give a little speech about this?
00:52:36.120
I mean, I've recently been a little bit, like, libed on this in that what I really think
0.55
00:52:44.220
And I think that natural philosophy is a venerable thing to do.
00:52:50.100
I didn't say—or, well, I didn't say any of these.
00:52:53.120
I would never say natural philosophy is fake and gay.
00:52:56.020
I think most of the time what people mean when they say science is a thing that is fake
0.95
00:53:16.180
It's very hard when one does not go to the gym to understand the thinking of one who
00:53:36.620
I'm sitting here in my t-shirt with a man in a suit.
00:53:46.120
The question hinges on the meaning of the word in public.
00:53:48.680
So I think I'm going to make you drink because I will sweatpants to the gym.
00:53:55.020
Would you wear—if, hypothetically, you were to go to the gym, would you wear sweatpants
00:53:58.700
Spencer, I would not wear sweatpants in private.
00:54:04.200
I can't—I did—no, I wouldn't count the gym as in public.
00:54:09.080
I mean, I'm saying, you know, the one walking down the street, I would not.
00:54:12.000
But there was a period where The Daily Wire was going to make a movie, and I was told to
00:54:20.340
When I said body by lasagna, I wasn't counting.
00:54:23.140
I was shoveling in pasta, pizza, meat, all this stuff.
00:54:27.300
And I really did gain—I gained 20 pounds, and I cut my body fat in half.
00:54:31.560
I never cut—I never actually cut after, but I—
00:54:39.780
And I did purchase a pair of sweatpants for the occasion, and a pair of sneakers also to
00:54:48.180
Did you—when you put them on, did you scream, Adrian?
00:54:53.020
I tried to break my nose a few times so that it would look convincing.
00:54:58.360
Most likely, the elites at the top, such as Bill Gates, George Soros, and Klaus Schwab,
00:55:05.020
are all just possessed by demons and or directly worship the devil in an attempt to transcend
00:55:10.560
the human race and merge with their existence in a higher plane.
00:55:14.960
Due to YouTube rules, make your guess, but do not verbally confirm if the other person
00:55:23.040
Give only an ambiguous, nonverbal confirmation.
00:55:30.500
Gates, Soros, and Schwab all worship demons or are possessed by demons.
00:55:57.280
In the abstract, in Minecraft, let me tell a little story.
00:56:04.320
When Dobbs came down as an actual decision, and when Roe v. Wade was overturned, I saw on
00:56:15.780
Reddit in a Satanist forum, somebody struggling with whether or not to convert to Satanism.
00:56:25.600
And one poster said, Satanism isn't really about worshiping Satan.
00:56:54.720
The war in Ukraine is roughly 5% crazy Russians and 95% money laundering for the new world
0.99
00:57:23.660
I don't think it's money laundering for the new world order.
00:57:26.760
I think it's an imperial war between the Western Empire and the Eastern Empire of Russia.
00:57:30.900
And I think that any—the West is dishonest when they say it's about national independence
00:57:38.960
It's about getting Ukraine to join NATO and the broader Western alliance.
00:57:45.620
And that's why when there was a pro-Russian leader of Ukraine before 2014, we wielded our
00:57:51.580
political power, as great powers do, to influence the politics in that country and housed the
00:57:58.880
pro-Russian guy and put in a more favorable pro-Western guy.
00:58:02.320
And then Russia responded to that by increasing its influence operations, including military
00:58:10.720
And then Obama, because he was weak, wasn't able to stop that.
00:58:17.540
And then Biden essentially invited Russia—I mean, actually invited Russia to invade when
00:58:22.680
he said if it's only a minor incursion in the East, then we won't really do anything
00:58:27.420
And Russia said it's unacceptable for Ukraine to join NATO.
00:58:30.520
And Ukraine is a buffer state, and buffer states often do better when they play great
0.62
00:58:36.040
powers off of one another than when they declare an allegiance to one or the other.
00:58:55.460
I think people misunderstand—the transgender question is like this, too.
00:58:59.500
I think people misunderstand how the new world order works.
00:59:07.600
That, oh, it's the pandemic, or they engineered this in a lab.
00:59:12.140
They don't have—they're nowhere near competent enough to orchestrate these massive global
00:59:17.740
What's true is that they have a totalizing philosophy about how the world works, which
00:59:24.860
is anti-human, which is, you know, post-human in some ways, which is evil and wrong, and which
00:59:35.340
inclines them to respond—the only thing restraining that philosophy is circumstances.
00:59:43.160
The fact that we live in a country which is still nominally a constitutional republic,
00:59:47.420
to which politicians must still pay some form of lip service in order to succeed and so forth,
00:59:52.140
that held them back for however many years from saying what they already believed long ago about
00:59:59.540
It's not like COVID brought into being some new attitude about public health, right?
01:00:11.120
And so, similarly, I don't think that any—I don't think that, like, money—nobody orchestrated
01:00:19.620
The war in Ukraine happened for a number of reasons, among them those that you just laid
01:00:25.400
And it is the case that our leadership class is feckless, incompetent, and foundationally,
01:00:32.980
philosophically wrong about metaphysics, which makes you evil.
0.84
01:00:36.660
Being wrong about metaphysics makes you evil, even if you don't sit there with your hand—rubbing
01:00:46.620
They are pervasive and key pillars of some of the most influential and wealthy brands
01:00:53.720
They strike at the very heart of American civilization and must be eradicated from society if the West
0.79
01:01:01.020
But to mention them is to be looked down upon with derision and contempt.
01:01:32.420
At this point, I believe that one's view of seed oils is far more indicative of one's
01:01:41.260
entire political outlook and whether or not I agree with a person than their view on immigration
01:01:49.060
It is one of the most defining political issues, even though it seems somewhat out of left field.
01:01:57.000
And this is, like, a generational thing that you have a hard time explaining to older people
01:02:03.540
This is why you get—it's not because boomers are, like, stupid or wrong.
1.00
01:02:06.600
It's like, you know, they say things like, you don't believe in, like, unfettered free
01:02:10.460
Like, you must be—because, like, that was once—that was once seed oils.
01:02:13.480
Like, that was once the, like, signifying issue.
01:02:24.660
Do you know how crazy Elisa's gotten with this, sweet little Elisa?
01:02:27.380
She says to me—I mean, she's gone down the rabbit hole.
01:02:36.560
It's all butter or avocado or olive oil, which I think are much tastier anyway.
01:02:45.220
You gotta get rid of your right guard deodorant.
01:02:48.400
And because I have, I'm like an old—I'm an old man, so I use the spray aerosol deodorant.
01:02:56.960
She goes, I got this deodorant that you gotta try.
01:03:00.700
And I kid you not, it's made of grass-fed beef tallow.
01:03:05.560
I was—honestly, I was gonna say yak butter, and that wasn't far off.
01:03:13.940
Do you know—so I said, how much does this cost?
01:03:30.740
I said, how much did you pay for—how much did I pay for this?
01:03:52.120
And I think, do I really want to live that bad?
01:04:03.800
If I'm in a state of grace, I'll get to go to heaven eventually.
01:04:07.880
No, I think this is a million years in purgatory, you know.
01:04:17.580
And the question is not, are our foods killing us?
01:04:21.780
The question, as you say, is how much are we willing—how much are we willing to do about it?
01:04:26.300
No, I remember when this was a crunchy granola lib thing, and now it's like a hard-wing white nationalist.
01:04:32.540
Anti-vax used to be a crunchy granola lib thing.
01:04:36.920
It just depends on—my biggest conspiracy theory, and I'm going to say this is the first time I'm saying this on camera,
01:04:41.480
but I've said this to a lot of Daily Wire guys.
01:04:43.660
We—you and I will live to see the day when nicotine is good for you.
01:04:56.300
Speaking of conspiracy—this is my—this is my big conspiracy theory.
01:05:03.020
The fact that you just said that, I bet I could tell you.
01:05:07.960
This is my personal proprietary conspiracy theory.
01:05:15.280
Somebody knew—first of all, I still don't know, and I refuse ever to learn how to pronounce the name that begins this question.
01:05:23.620
Chasten Buttigieg is most likely aware Pete is a deeply closeted, straight CIA plant.
01:05:39.380
This is actually your—the first and maybe only time I've heard this is from you.
01:05:51.280
I will almost never claim ownership over—if I see an idea that I think maybe somebody got this for my piece, whatever, this is one that I will die on this hill.
01:06:10.200
He understood that the way the wind was blowing, you could never—as a kind of, you know, Ivy League—I don't actually know if you—probably Ivy League.
01:06:19.460
Yeah, yeah, so Ivy League, yeah, you know, veteran, JFK mold lib.
01:06:27.200
Once he realized that that was passing away and you had to check an identity box, what's the identity box you can check?
01:06:44.300
His incapacity to match his ties with his slacks?
1.00
01:06:55.820
I tell you, you know, because some of the audience might not know that we're college buddies.
01:07:00.780
Going back to your freshman year, my sophomore year.
01:07:03.300
So, yeah, when you said we've known each other, we've been friends for many years.
01:07:07.120
But because we went to a very liberal, elite school, we know a lot of these guys.
01:07:20.060
They all kind of, you know, they all just kind of sound like Pete.
01:07:22.980
And they're all—they're going to go get a job after college because they're really passionate about management consulting.
01:07:29.080
I just really want to improve efficiency within certain corporate structures.
01:07:34.540
And then he goes and he, you know, he has—he is a military veteran.
01:07:38.840
And he did the Ivy League, and he did the corporate consulting, and he's just the perfect political candidate, except old Pete is a pretty bland white guy.
01:07:48.680
And so you're saying he had to have something, and I—
01:07:54.080
I don't understand why it's more artificial than any other part of his personality for him to pretend to—you know what I mean?
01:08:04.000
They, you know, carefully curate, as we know from rubbing shoulders with them, they carefully curate every aspect of their life, including their disavowal of the curation.
01:08:15.800
Right, like, including, like, oh, I just—I'm so—like you said, I'm so passionate about, like, you know, synergistic incentivization of, like, spreadsheets.
01:08:27.440
But then they get into power, and they—right.
01:08:29.940
And, like, that pipeline was so clear that he wasn't going to let a little thing, like, being a heterosexual stop him.
01:08:37.620
Like, look, for the right price, you know, I'm whatever sexuality.
01:08:41.320
You know, I mean, it's, like, it was better than, like, castrating himself and being the first trans candidate, you know?
01:08:47.200
Lucky Pete, he came along, you know, five years, just in time.
0.96
01:08:50.780
Because let me tell you, that gate is closing on white gay men, like, you know?
1.00
01:08:55.220
Yeah, it's about to be part of the established power class.
01:09:13.320
I'm a little ashamed of us, because we've gone out many times, had many, many cigars, many, many—we only had—you had your full drink.
01:09:27.680
Spencer, you've already finished yours, Shin Shin.
01:09:31.380
We will see you next time on the Yes or No Game.