The Michael Knowles Show - The Daily Wire Election Night Coverage

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00:00:20.740 Welcome to the backstage coverage of the 2022 midterm elections.

00:00:25.480 This is the Daily Wire.

00:00:26.500 Plus, we're really glad that you're here with us.

00:00:29.080 Back in the olden times, when we first started this company,

00:00:31.740 we would gather for a thing called Election Day.

00:00:34.160 And in our Election Day coverage, we would just stay with you until the results were known.

00:00:38.360 But that's back when this was a thriving republic.

00:00:40.720 Now that we've descended into third world madness,

00:00:43.240 I cannot promise that we will still be with you 72 to 120 hours from now

00:00:47.420 when the final results are actually tallied before they're contested and then tallied again.

00:00:51.160 But we plan to be with you for a damn long time.

00:00:53.900 I'm joined tonight by my good friend, Ben Shapiro, my old friend, Andrew Klavan.

00:00:58.900 I mean, we've been friends a long time, and he's very old.

00:01:02.260 Matt Walsh.

00:01:03.260 And here tonight to replace Clay Travis, who was the only man on the panel brave enough to wear red,

00:01:09.740 to really put, to lead with confidence.

00:01:11.780 Now Candace, showing us all how it's done.

00:01:13.920 I just felt like I had to wear this.

00:01:15.540 It was the only way to guarantee a red wave.

00:01:18.440 I'm just showing up.

00:01:19.840 Fabulous.

00:01:20.200 Tell us, you've been watching, we've been here, you've been backstage,

00:01:23.840 you're probably a little bit more up-to-date on what's happening out there than we are.

00:01:26.700 How are you feeling about the night?

00:01:27.740 I feel great about the night.

00:01:28.880 I mean, obviously, I'm sure you guys have already discussed it, so I don't want to be redundant,

00:01:32.140 but the Maricopa thing is just like, what?

00:01:34.700 We actually have not talked about it.

00:01:36.200 How is it always Maricopa?

00:01:37.920 Well, you know, it's really important, Candace, to remember for all Americans,

00:01:40.740 do not take your right to vote for granted,

00:01:43.660 because there are people who live in places like North Korea and Afghanistan

00:01:48.020 and Maricopa County who don't have that right, so cherish it.

00:01:52.200 The 20% of the voting machines are not able to tabulate the votes.

00:01:56.460 20% in the entire county.

00:01:58.280 That's just, it's unbelievable.

00:01:59.300 It doesn't even...

00:01:59.640 It took them by surprise.

00:02:00.700 Yeah.

00:02:00.840 The election took them by surprise.

00:02:01.660 They just don't know what they're going to do about it,

00:02:03.640 and they're working on the issues, and of course,

00:02:05.840 people are already ahead saying,

00:02:07.140 this is just the Republicans trying to pretend that there's some cheating.

00:02:09.240 Why don't you give us an understanding, a good explanation,

00:02:12.880 for why 20% of machines throughout an entire county

00:02:16.380 in the free and fair elections that we have in America are not working,

00:02:20.220 and they've had years to work on these issues,

00:02:21.620 knowing that that was the place where all of the election lawsuits took place

00:02:25.060 when Trump said that there was, you know, trouble during the 2020 election.

00:02:28.540 Why are we...

00:02:29.300 Resolve the issues.

00:02:30.160 Why are we so invested now in these electronic voting machines in the first place?

00:02:35.900 They're terror.

00:02:36.480 Britain doesn't use them, and they have a much better system.

00:02:38.460 Yeah.

00:02:38.820 I think you've got the answer, right?

00:02:40.780 There you go.

00:02:41.000 Some people keep asking.

00:02:41.940 They say, well, you know, we know that paper ballots work,

00:02:45.220 and we know that there are no questions,

00:02:46.680 and you get the answer on election night,

00:02:47.740 so why do we keep using these voting machines

00:02:49.840 where it drags out for days and weeks,

00:02:51.560 and, oh, I got my answer.

00:02:52.760 Okay, never mind.

00:02:53.800 So, forgive me, because I haven't actually followed, like,

00:02:56.400 what the actual machines in Arizona are,

00:02:57.820 so is it like you punch a screen,

00:02:59.220 or is it like you take a ballot, you fill out the ballot,

00:03:00.600 So I kid you not...

00:03:01.520 And then you feed it.

00:03:02.280 You feed that in Florida, too.

00:03:03.720 I voted early, like, three weeks ago.

00:03:05.320 It was exactly that machine.

00:03:06.120 They got the results the same night.

00:03:07.140 It's just incompetence.

00:03:07.900 It's just incompetence.

00:03:08.600 It's not about how the machines are stupid or something.

00:03:10.400 It's incompetence.

00:03:11.040 The people who are there don't know what the hell they're doing.

00:03:12.380 I thought it was funny.

00:03:12.980 A lot of coincidences.

00:03:13.580 The White House spokeswoman said today, or yesterday,

00:03:18.200 when she was preparing everyone for the fact

00:03:19.640 that it's going to take weeks to count the ballots,

00:03:22.300 she said, well, this is how it should work in modern elections.

00:03:26.200 And I'm like, so in modern time, in 2022,

00:03:29.400 it should take longer to count the ballots than it took in 1802?

00:03:32.140 Can we go back to some medieval elections, please?

00:03:34.100 Right, exactly.

00:03:34.780 To be a little more efficient.

00:03:36.300 By the way, a quick update on the Virginia 7th.

00:03:38.560 That is the Abigail Spanberger race.

00:03:39.780 She's currently losing by 10 points in that race.

00:03:42.260 That's the Virginia 7th.

00:03:43.660 So that's a bellwether race.

00:03:45.260 And the Virginia 2nd district,

00:03:46.860 it looks like Elaine Lurie is going to go down to defeat

00:03:48.520 in that district as well.

00:03:49.480 It's going to be a good night.

00:03:51.220 That is.

00:03:51.780 And also, on this point, you raise it, Candace,

00:03:54.800 of how everyone's talking about voter fraud,

00:03:57.940 whether it's going to be if the Republicans have a great night,

00:04:00.660 then the Democrats are going to say that we rigged the election.

00:04:02.940 And if the Democrats pull out some crucial races,

00:04:05.620 then we're going to say that they rigged the election.

00:04:07.120 And that's just a fact,

00:04:09.380 that everyone is an election denier.

00:04:12.480 And it's for two reasons.

00:04:13.580 The Democrats say that it's illegitimate when the Republicans win

00:04:16.720 because the Democrats don't consider us legitimate participants

00:04:19.800 in our democracy.

00:04:21.260 And Biden says that we're terrorists and fascists,

00:04:24.180 and our very existence poses a threat to the country.

00:04:26.660 And then we don't believe it when they win close elections

00:04:29.600 because they rigged the elections and brag about it.

00:04:32.680 The distinction, though, is that Democrats don't talk about voter fraud.

00:04:37.500 For them, it's voter suppression.

00:04:38.840 Suppression.

00:04:39.360 They're already talking.

00:04:40.020 And the thing about voter suppression, it's a much more unfalsifiable theory.

00:04:43.100 Yes.

00:04:43.540 Because you can always just say, well, more people would have turned out

00:04:46.460 if you hadn't suppressed the vote.

00:04:48.180 Even with very high voter participation.

00:04:50.740 Stacey Abrams said, you know, you can have a high voter participation

00:04:55.000 and voter suppression at the same time.

00:04:56.660 They're already in that state.

00:04:58.580 It's one of the reasons why their whole war on democracy nonsense

00:05:00.480 is just not being paid attention to.

00:05:02.000 Because the same Democrats who are out to say,

00:05:03.740 oh, you denied an election.

00:05:04.680 Oh, you're saying voter fraud.

00:05:05.920 We all know.

00:05:06.840 I mean, they already started.

00:05:07.540 Jason Johnson on MSNBC was already going nuts like three hours ago

00:05:10.520 because he knew which way this night is going to go.

00:05:12.420 He was already going absolutely ape-leap over the notion

00:05:16.440 that there was voter suppression in Georgia.

00:05:18.480 There's no voter suppression in Georgia.

00:05:19.940 There were simultaneous articles that were coming out

00:05:21.380 saying the wait time at Georgia polling places is three minutes.

00:05:24.220 Three.

00:05:24.800 It sounds just like Iraq 2005 with the purple fingers in the air.

00:05:27.660 We should also underscore what they consider to be voter suppression

00:05:30.260 because it's actually humorous and it's good to laugh at.

00:05:32.600 It's like black Americans don't know how to get ID.

00:05:35.160 Yep.

00:05:35.880 That's the thing.

00:05:36.880 And we really should talk about how difficult it is.

00:05:39.940 The latest one, they say that voters are being starved

00:05:43.520 and not given water because you're not, you can't get.

00:05:45.820 And I kid you, I'm walking to the polls today with sweet little Alisa

00:05:48.380 and she turns to me totally deadpan.

00:05:50.200 She goes, Mac, I'm just so hungry.

00:05:53.540 Where's my steak?

00:05:54.720 Where's my caviar?

00:05:56.760 If you can't bribe them outside of the polling place, it's voter fraud.

00:06:00.820 The actual Democrat position, if you cannot.

00:06:03.600 Well, how are they supposed to stand there without free cigarettes?

00:06:05.520 By the way, stand in line and not get free cigarettes.

00:06:07.300 As long as we're talking about the soft bigotry of low expectations,

00:06:09.580 can we talk about what a racist Joe Biden is for a second?

00:06:11.980 So Joe Biden was asked the other day, he's like,

00:06:13.640 what did you do for black voters?

00:06:14.660 He's like, well, I did get rid of marijuana convictions.

00:06:21.240 Dude, like, what?

00:06:22.680 Like, that's your first answer.

00:06:24.200 And then he went to a historically black college and university.

00:06:26.520 And he's like, you know, you guys can be just as smart.

00:06:28.080 He literally said this.

00:06:29.020 He was like, what?

00:06:30.580 You guys can be just as smart.

00:06:32.380 He's like, everybody else can be just as smart.

00:06:34.680 What?

00:06:35.300 How does he get, I mean, like, granted he's senile.

00:06:37.500 But he's also a terrible person.

00:06:40.120 He's always been a terrible person.

00:06:42.000 He's been dishonest.

00:06:42.800 He's been venal.

00:06:43.660 I'm sure he's taking 10% of everything on Thursday.

00:06:46.240 And he lies and lies and lies.

00:06:48.400 And to talk about throwing him under the bus,

00:06:50.320 the New York Times actually fact-checked him the other day

00:06:53.560 and said, you know, everything he says is actually untrue.

00:06:56.780 Like, almost everything.

00:06:57.580 They actually debunked almost everything.

00:06:59.300 And the Washington Post now has the infinite Pinocchios for him, you know?

00:07:03.240 So they're done with Joe.

00:07:05.340 I mean, George Will, you saw how he went after her with, like, a claw hammer.

00:07:10.580 He went after Biden.

00:07:11.760 It was one of the most brutal pieces I've ever seen,

00:07:13.220 especially for a guy who voted for Biden.

00:07:14.620 Right?

00:07:14.760 He went after Biden.

00:07:15.460 And then he went after Kamala, too.

00:07:16.720 Kamala's just standing there.

00:07:17.880 And he's just like, well, I'm at this.

00:07:19.620 I'm just going to take you out because you're terrible.

00:07:21.960 And all he does for the Kamala Harris stuff is he just quotes her.

00:07:24.760 He just literally quotes her.

00:07:25.700 It's amazing.

00:07:26.540 Think about Biden.

00:07:27.240 Just a couple of days ago, Biden, he lashed out at some people

00:07:30.160 that were holding signs outside of his speech and called them idiots.

00:07:32.360 And, like, that's actually, that's the kind of thing that Trump never did.

00:07:36.700 I mean, Trump will go after the media, go after his political opponents,

00:07:39.100 and he's ruthless.

00:07:40.000 But he never actually attacked just normal people.

00:07:42.040 And this is something that Biden does all the time.

00:07:44.120 He goes after just regular people.

00:07:45.260 He's fat.

00:07:46.040 Right.

00:07:48.540 But those are the people they hate.

00:07:50.120 They hate the regular people.

00:07:50.920 Right, because the truth is that the people that Trump hates

00:07:52.700 tend to be elites that he hangs out with.

00:07:54.820 But he actually kind of hates them and scorns them.

00:07:56.220 He actually kind of likes, like, the welders and the firefighters.

00:07:57.980 And the people that Biden actually likes are all the people he pretends to hate,

00:08:01.280 which are, like, the rich people in those rooms.

00:08:02.860 But he hates the common man.

00:08:04.600 Oh, my God.

00:08:05.160 Like, he scorns the common man.

00:08:06.340 Those people are dullards and idiots.

00:08:07.820 Those are the people that you use as the rubes and the suckers

00:08:10.340 that you can get ahead.

00:08:11.300 By the way, exit poll from my favorite state of Florida.

00:08:14.260 Ron DeSantis won Latino voters by 13 points.

00:08:16.680 Wow.

00:08:17.040 By 30 Latinos.

00:08:18.520 I don't know how he did among Latinxs, though.

00:08:19.740 He won them by 13 points.

00:08:20.500 He won them by 13 points.

00:08:21.740 Yeah, which just always makes sense.

00:08:22.740 He won Latinos outright 56 to 33.

00:08:24.820 Now, it is true that in Florida, a lot of the Latino vote is made up by Cubans.

00:08:31.160 Yeah.

00:08:31.480 Yeah.

00:08:31.760 No, but there's a heavy Venezuelan population.

00:08:34.480 And a heavy Venezuelan population.

00:08:35.980 I don't know what socialism is.

00:08:37.760 Yeah, that's right.

00:08:38.440 So that you can't...

00:08:38.940 By the way, South Texas is about to see a red wave also.

00:08:41.840 And South Texas is not Cuban.

00:08:43.960 So the Hispanic vote is not...

00:08:45.820 Not only is it not a reliably Democratic vote,

00:08:47.600 this is the thing.

00:08:48.180 This comes back to what you do, Matt.

00:08:49.600 You know, the fact is...

00:08:50.820 And also what you did, Candace.

00:08:52.320 I think two things people have missed about the Hispanic vote.

00:08:54.200 One, they don't like trans and kids, as it turns out.

00:08:57.020 Latinos are socially very, very, very conservative.

00:08:59.880 Very conservative.

00:09:00.820 And two, the Democratic Party, in embracing Black Lives Matter

00:09:03.200 and basically suggesting that all people of color are exactly the same.

00:09:07.600 And therefore, you could group into one group.

00:09:09.800 The people of color.

00:09:10.900 And the Hispanics would also be in favor of defund...

00:09:12.720 But black people weren't in favor of defund the police.

00:09:14.900 Only Democrats were in favor of defund the police.

00:09:16.620 So they treat blacks as a voter block.

00:09:18.180 And then they treat blacks and Hispanics as a voter block.

00:09:20.920 And then they treat blacks, Hispanics, and Asians as a voter block.

00:09:23.480 While simultaneously saying that Asians should not be able to get into college.

00:09:26.800 It's like, I can't imagine why you guys are losing.

00:09:29.020 Maybe it's because you just keep creating these labels that no one actually...

00:09:32.640 By the way, Hispanics don't even categorize themselves that way.

00:09:35.120 If you ask a Hispanic person where they are from, they will say, what country?

00:09:39.000 Right?

00:09:39.400 Yeah, that's right.

00:09:40.260 Nobody says, I'm Hispanic.

00:09:41.540 They say, I'm from Cuba.

00:09:42.640 I mean, even though, categorization didn't really exist until the 1970s.

00:09:46.400 It was sort of a Ford Foundation creation, you know?

00:09:48.640 I wonder if now Joe Biden will run for re-election on Build the Wall, I think.

00:09:52.160 That's what I'm looking for.

00:09:53.000 You've got to keep those people out of the country.

00:09:54.460 What is the push?

00:09:55.140 It doesn't make sense.

00:09:55.720 It doesn't add up.

00:09:56.240 Like, what is their push for open borders?

00:09:57.880 Because it's showing you that the country, Latino voters, are going right.

00:10:01.740 So what is their push?

00:10:02.900 Like, what are they trying to do?

00:10:04.020 I think what they're going to try to do, eventually, is to welfarize people over the border.

00:10:08.140 They're not going to have any IDs.

00:10:09.240 You know, they're not going to have anything.

00:10:10.060 And they'll say, oh, we're just going to make you a citizen overnight if you vote for us.

00:10:12.420 And then that will be the big push, you know?

00:10:14.080 Like, they'll vote illegally, and then they'll promise them a bunch of things and kind of turn them into black America circa 1960s.

00:10:20.680 You know what I mean?

00:10:21.360 Hilarious.

00:10:21.640 It didn't work, though.

00:10:22.800 Offer them welfare handouts because they don't have anything.

00:10:25.380 By the way, remember that time that Ron DeSantis was going to lose the election because he sent some Hispanic illegal immigrants up to Martha's Vineyard?

00:10:30.880 Remember that time?

00:10:31.420 And now he's winning by 16 points.

00:10:33.160 By the way, Sean Trendy has an update on Georgia.

00:10:36.120 So he says that right now Walker is running about four points behind Kemp.

00:10:38.660 If that holds consistently, then Kemp has to get more than 54% of the raw vote in order for Walker to surpass the 50%.

00:10:44.920 That could happen.

00:10:45.940 Which is possible.

00:10:46.440 That's possible, but that's close.

00:10:47.700 That's a close thing.

00:10:48.540 And, again, candidate equality matters.

00:10:50.580 Yeah.

00:10:50.920 Yeah.

00:10:51.380 I think that part of what we're seeing is that the Democrats, starting in the 60s, ran a very cynical play to categorize people in the country, divide them off from one another, and then try to build a coalition out of the pieces.

00:11:05.860 The sort of, let's call it non-majoritarian pieces.

00:11:09.240 So divide you by race, divide you by gender, divide you by income bracket, take everything that's not majority and build a majority out of that.

00:11:17.840 But it turns out people don't like being categorized and people don't like being treated like chess pieces.

00:11:22.600 They don't like racism, you mean?

00:11:23.760 And during, you know, one of Donald Trump's positive effects on the electorate is that he essentially reached over and just took some of those categories that they had consolidated for themselves and he offered them an alternative.

00:11:36.460 And now these blocks that the left created are no longer their blocks anymore.

00:11:40.860 And I think what you'll see is that more and more the Democrats are just going to be the party of college-educated white elites.

00:11:49.540 Yes.

00:11:49.980 They're already there.

00:11:50.820 Yeah.

00:11:51.160 Yeah.

00:11:51.280 I also think that when you think about how Democrats think about Hispanics or how they think about black Americans or Jews, for that matter, whenever they think of these groups, they think of, like, a single person that they know who is black or is Hispanic.

00:12:02.560 And then they think, well, all of them must be like that.

00:12:04.320 So they know a Hispanic person.

00:12:05.240 Like, that Hispanic person, they love illegal immigration.

00:12:07.360 So if we run on illegal immigration, we'll totally win all the Hispanics.

00:12:10.520 And it turns out that by polling data, Hispanics don't love illegal immigration.

00:12:13.820 They actually don't like it very much at all, which is why the big surprise of 2016 is that Donald Trump runs a campaign where he's like, that Mexican judge is terrible.

00:12:20.540 And then he wins exactly the same percentages that Mitt Romney won in 2012, running not that way.

00:12:25.540 And the same thing is true with black Americans.

00:12:27.760 The Democrats, they're like, you know, my black friend also hates the police.

00:12:31.520 And my black friend, who I went to Wellesley with, thinks that we should defund the police.

00:12:35.060 And meanwhile, they're like, people in Baltimore are like, what the?

00:12:38.380 We need some police around here.

00:12:39.740 Well, yeah, exactly.

00:12:40.600 Where are the police?

00:12:41.340 This is not the way that you do this stuff.

00:12:43.720 But I'll go back to a point that I made earlier.

00:12:46.640 The Twitterization of our politics has hurt Democrats so much worse than it's hurt Republicans because they've created this bubble for themselves.

00:12:51.980 The media, their Praetorian Guard, have protected them to such an extent.

00:12:55.360 They have no immune system.

00:12:56.280 Democrats have no immune system at this point.

00:12:58.440 It's basically like the rich kids who would get polio really easily back in the 1920s because they'd never been exposed to mud.

00:13:04.700 And then all the poor kids wouldn't get polio because they'd be out, like, playing and they'd have an immune system that had actually developed.

00:13:08.920 But they also don't understand how porous the Internet is.

00:13:11.360 Because toward the end, toward the beginning of the Internet age, when TV was basically dominant, they really had sealed off the information system.

00:13:20.680 They really were living in that bubble.

00:13:22.280 But the Internet is pretty hard to seal off.

00:13:25.100 It's everywhere.

00:13:25.740 Actually, the thing about the Internet, too, is that if you're using it, you need to have a VPN.

00:13:32.200 Whoa, man.

00:13:33.420 Wow.

00:13:34.060 I was like, how are you push?

00:13:36.720 I just ruined it by celebrating.

00:13:37.980 It's okay.

00:13:38.760 Have you noticed all these big tech companies masquerading as privacy companies?

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00:13:49.640 This is just not true.

00:13:51.540 Free big tech platforms make their money by selling your information to advertisers.

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00:14:56.620 I wanted to say something about the Twitter thing, which is really interesting.

00:14:59.160 Maybe, Matt, you noticed this as well, because one of the things that boggled my mind before Elon got there

00:15:03.960 and kind of made everybody run and spread some light was that the trends on Twitter never made sense.

00:15:09.360 Like, what was the chances that Trans Visibility Day was trending three times?

00:15:15.180 And I would go, these trends make no sense.

00:15:17.040 It's so clear that their manufacturing trends aren't actually trends.

00:15:19.640 72 likes.

00:15:20.740 Yes.

00:15:21.580 But then now, all of a sudden, you look, and I'm looking at the trends today, and it's all like red tsunami.

00:15:27.540 Maricopa County.

00:15:28.380 Yes.

00:15:28.800 It's all suddenly very conservative trends all the time.

00:15:31.920 So, I thought that was really fascinating, and it's very clear that they were manufacturing those trends.

00:15:36.640 It's never been lost on me that the three people, three of the people at this table, Matt, Ben, and Candace,

00:15:43.000 would literally trend three times a week.

00:15:45.540 Yes.

00:15:46.060 It doesn't matter what you guys did.

00:15:47.700 And they had a methodology for it also.

00:15:48.680 But always negatively.

00:15:49.640 Always.

00:15:50.040 Always.

00:15:50.740 Every single time.

00:15:51.480 One account, he tweets one 10-second video of us, and then suddenly it's trending.

00:15:54.900 Well, what would happen, the pattern I noticed, and it was actually kind of fun because you could see it,

00:15:58.260 is that you'd have a good day, right?

00:16:00.040 You'd have, like, a good day.

00:16:00.840 A good story would come out, and it would get a lot of coverage.

00:16:03.780 And then you wouldn't trend.

00:16:05.020 And then the next day, there would be, like, a tiny story with no coverage.

00:16:07.100 Right.

00:16:07.320 And then they would trend that.

00:16:08.120 That would be the thing that they trended.

00:16:09.560 They would, like, glom onto the old trend in order to create the new trend.

00:16:11.840 Actually, I'm kind of curious.

00:16:12.620 How many followers have you randomly picked up since Elon took over Twitter?

00:16:16.000 Oh, my gosh.

00:16:16.740 So many.

00:16:17.180 I love them.

00:16:17.720 85,000.

00:16:18.960 200,000?

00:16:20.040 Yeah.

00:16:20.640 Yeah, you know, when What is a Woman came out, we were climbing.

00:16:23.740 What is a Woman was trending.

00:16:25.000 It was climbing into the top five.

00:16:26.440 And then just magically it disappeared and never returned to the top trends ever again.

00:16:31.520 Well, they also killed trends.

00:16:32.760 Right.

00:16:33.020 It was there, and then the next second it was gone.

00:16:36.160 And no matter what happened, it never went back again.

00:16:38.040 Just like your gender.

00:16:39.820 It is gone.

00:16:40.680 I was going to ask, have any of you trended for a good reason before?

00:16:43.900 I guess you did make a trend, at least, out of What is a Woman in that first.

00:16:46.960 Right.

00:16:47.180 And then they got rid of it.

00:16:48.080 They said, you can't trend for that.

00:16:49.020 That's good.

00:16:49.480 Never, not once.

00:16:50.100 And I used to play this game because I knew they were manufacturing trends, is that when they

00:16:52.820 would force me to trend over something really stupid, I would pretend I didn't understand

00:16:56.440 what I was trending over.

00:16:57.360 And I would be like, thank you so much.

00:16:59.140 I'm so glad to see that I'm trending over my new documentary.

00:17:01.740 And they instantly would kill the trend.

00:17:05.080 Thank you so much.

00:17:06.780 My documentary is trending.

00:17:08.640 And a quick update from VA10.

00:17:10.300 So VA10 is that district I mentioned earlier that is a D-plus-18 district.

00:17:13.860 Currently, Hong Kao, who is, as the name might suggest, not a white man, he is currently up

00:17:19.240 slightly on Jennifer Wexson, the Democrat incumbent.

00:17:21.540 That is a D-plus-18 district.

00:17:23.280 There's a reason why.

00:17:24.200 People were wondering, why is Jill Biden and Joe, they actually went and campaigned there

00:17:27.420 like in the last two days.

00:17:28.380 Why are they campaigning in a D-plus-18 district?

00:17:30.620 That doesn't make any sense.

00:17:31.580 Wow.

00:17:31.800 That's the reason they were campaigning in a D-plus-18 district.

00:17:33.900 Well, let's get an update on what's going on in some of these races by going to our election

00:17:37.760 wire team.

00:17:38.520 We've got John Bickley and Cabot Phillips here to let us know.

00:17:42.260 They're following this a lot more closely than we can because they're not, you know,

00:17:45.060 eating popcorn and gab-festing and talking about how great it is that we trend on Twitter

00:17:49.420 all the time.

00:17:50.020 These guys will never trend on Twitter.

00:17:52.140 That is an absolute fact.

00:17:52.880 They're working for a living.

00:17:53.800 Yeah, they're working for a living.

00:17:55.340 And they're here to let us know what's going on.

00:17:57.360 So, here's an update from the state of Arkansas.

00:17:59.700 Sarah Huckabee Sanders is officially the next governor of Arkansas.

00:18:03.340 That race has been called.

00:18:04.420 Not a huge surprise, but definitely a big name for Republicans.

00:18:06.980 Going out to Georgia, the latest polling results were about 36% in.

00:18:12.180 Raphael Warnock is at 53%.

00:18:13.940 Herschel Walker, 45.4%.

00:18:16.340 Abrams, 49.7%.

00:18:18.180 Kemp, 49.7%.

00:18:19.840 Now, these numbers are a bit deceiving.

00:18:21.360 The reason we're seeing it skewed for Democrats right now, Fulton County, which includes Atlanta

00:18:25.200 and is by far the most populous county in the state, is at 62% reporting right now.

00:18:29.480 So, most of those numbers are coming from there.

00:18:30.860 We're also seeing a good number of votes come in from Gwinnett, DeKalb, Cobb, all those counties

00:18:35.420 surrounding Atlanta.

00:18:36.180 So, definitely expect it to get tighter in Georgia.

00:18:38.980 The big number we're tracking right now is how close to Governor Kemp Herschel Walker can

00:18:43.420 stay.

00:18:43.940 Right now, he's down by about 4.3 points.

00:18:47.180 So, if you expect Kemp to get around 55 points, Walker, you'd expect also to get above 50% based

00:18:52.620 on the trends that we've seen so far.

00:18:53.880 So, keep an eye on that.

00:18:54.500 As long as Walker's within 4 to 5 points, it should bode well for Republican chances

00:18:59.600 there in the Senate.

00:19:00.780 Just a little bit of a look back at Florida.

00:19:03.100 Obviously, the race has already been called for DeSantis.

00:19:05.060 He's about 57% right now.

00:19:07.300 For context, in 2018, Ron DeSantis won the governor's race by 30,000 votes.

00:19:12.360 He is up 1.1 million votes right now.

00:19:15.020 30,000 to 1.1 million.

00:19:17.060 Charlie Crist, also the first candidate to lose statewide race at all three parties, independent,

00:19:22.180 Republican, and Democrat now, just a notable award there.

00:19:26.380 And finally, there have been four House pickups so far that have been called.

00:19:29.700 All four have been among Republicans, and all four have been in the state of Florida.

00:19:34.780 So, Florida is, as you guys said earlier, it's looking more and more like a red state,

00:19:38.960 solid pickups there.

00:19:39.660 But we'll keep an eye on Georgia right now.

00:19:41.020 Pennsylvania results also starting to come in.

00:19:42.500 We'll have an update a little later from there.

00:19:46.000 Thank you, Cabot.

00:19:46.800 And do we have any word yet on who will be the next Pope?

00:19:50.020 You know?

00:19:50.620 Oh, well, Stacey Abrams.

00:19:52.620 Stacey Abrams has declared to us that.

00:19:54.140 Oh, she was the last Pope.

00:19:55.120 She was named the Pope.

00:19:56.040 You mean the current Pope, Stacey Abrams.

00:19:58.360 We have not mentioned the moon.

00:20:00.340 Have we mentioned the moon is literally red?

00:20:01.660 Turning, turning, blood, blood, yeah.

00:20:03.400 I did not know that.

00:20:04.400 A blood moon.

00:20:04.800 You got a blood moon today?

00:20:05.820 Right, there's actually a red moon on the red.

00:20:07.820 Are we the baddies?

00:20:10.600 Did you see the CBS News clip that was going around a little bit earlier today

00:20:13.360 where CBS News went around Florida looking for a Charlie Crist supporter?

00:20:16.280 Oh, it's for you.

00:20:16.480 And they literally could not find a Charlie Crist supporter.

00:20:18.700 It's super funny.

00:20:20.080 They're like walking around.

00:20:21.040 The reporter's like, do any of you support Charlie?

00:20:22.700 They're like, who?

00:20:24.060 Charlie, what?

00:20:25.120 Yeah, they said we could only find him at Charlie Crist rallies.

00:20:28.320 Charlie Crist has run out of parties.

00:20:29.940 Like he literally has run every party on the ballot.

00:20:32.100 There are no more parties for Charlie Crist.

00:20:33.880 He tweeted earlier today.

00:20:35.640 Today is the day we vote Ron DeSantis out.

00:20:37.580 This one goes alongside the congratulations to the future president.

00:20:40.480 Happy birthday to this future president.

00:20:44.100 Amazingly bad tweets.

00:20:45.100 They are, I do love the Democrats because they won't quit on a candidate just because

00:20:49.560 they've got a few losses to their name.

00:20:51.160 Like Beto is a genuinely terrible candidate.

00:20:53.920 There isn't, there is not a human being on earth who isn't like a 28-year-old disgruntled

00:21:00.780 housewife who thinks that Beto O'Rourke could be elected to any office.

00:21:05.300 And he's never been anything.

00:21:06.660 He was a backbench congressman.

00:21:08.420 Then he lost a bunch of races.

00:21:09.920 And he, and he's not even a great skateboarder.

00:21:12.760 Yeah, how many times do you like try out for the team before you realize you just don't

00:21:15.440 have it?

00:21:15.860 You know what I mean?

00:21:16.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:21:16.340 And five.

00:21:16.900 How much money they've raised?

00:21:17.520 I mean, I'm just guessing.

00:21:19.260 Because the Democrats have a habit of making stars out of complete incompetence.

00:21:22.320 Yeah, yeah.

00:21:22.580 They then dump endless sums of money into these races.

00:21:25.300 I mean, you know how much money they put behind Stacey Abrams?

00:21:27.240 Well, that's why they keep running.

00:21:29.660 Because that's actually the way to sustain your lifestyle when you just keep running.

00:21:32.500 She's the, she's the much more egregious than Beto, I think.

00:21:34.700 Because at least Beto has something of a, of a personality, I suppose.

00:21:38.420 But Stacey Abrams is just nothing.

00:21:40.060 She has nothing at all.

00:21:41.480 She doesn't even have charisma.

00:21:42.360 And they keep trying to insist.

00:21:43.920 They demand that we believe that she has some sort of political sensation.

00:21:47.320 It's the other side of the fact that, that Republicans or conservatives don't pay enough

00:21:51.040 attention to storytelling because they believe the facts will carry us through.

00:21:54.360 But the other side is they don't pay attention to the facts at all.

00:21:57.000 And they believe the story is all that matters.

00:21:59.660 We're not, we haven't got the messaging.

00:22:00.960 We're not telling our story.

00:22:02.040 Your story stinks.

00:22:03.280 I have a question.

00:22:03.800 Can you feel democracy dying right now?

00:22:05.300 I can feel it.

00:22:06.300 It's his best.

00:22:07.760 I tried to kill him at the polls.

00:22:09.100 Democracy is bad.

00:22:09.740 This will be the last.

00:22:10.460 I mean, the good news is we won't have to do this again, right?

00:22:12.060 I mean, this will be the last election.

00:22:14.500 I've been reliably informed there will be no more elections after this ever again.

00:22:16.880 What's really interesting about this is that the emergency never ends.

00:22:20.140 So that, like, when global cooling becomes global warming, there's absolutely no break in

00:22:25.720 people saying, well, maybe global nothing.

00:22:27.800 Maybe we're fine.

00:22:28.780 And when democracy doesn't die, if Republicans win and democracy doesn't die, there will be no

00:22:33.300 change in the state of emergency.

00:22:34.820 Well, this, I think, is especially pronounced in this race.

00:22:38.160 We're talking about this absolute vacuity, this vapidity in the Democrat candidates.

00:22:43.400 And the same cannot be...

00:22:44.380 I don't even know what vacuity or vapidity are.

00:22:46.200 Yeah, they sound really nice.

00:22:47.600 And they're alliterative.

00:22:49.320 So you're not seeing that with the Republicans this year.

00:22:53.020 The Republicans have a clear message.

00:22:54.420 Some people aren't going to like the clear message.

00:22:55.800 But you look at a candidate like J.D. Vance in Ohio, he's not just giving you the same

00:23:00.660 tired old, well, you know, I'm going to cut your taxes kind of stuff.

00:23:03.460 He's saying we need to have a pro-family policy.

00:23:07.000 He's like talking about Victor Orban on the campaign trail.

00:23:09.420 He's got a vision.

00:23:10.680 This is what I mean.

00:23:11.420 This is a new Republican Party coming in.

00:23:13.360 It's not the same old guys.

00:23:14.680 And I think it's better.

00:23:15.700 And I think that the old Republican Party should give way and let them start to come in.

00:23:19.100 Oh, totally.

00:23:19.380 And what's interesting...

00:23:19.920 Come on!

00:23:20.600 This is...

00:23:21.340 What?

00:23:21.880 I'm going to me now.

00:23:22.800 That's when I'm usually more right than that.

00:23:26.780 So you tell me, what unifies the Dr. Oz campaign and the...

00:23:29.920 No, the Dr. Oz...

00:23:30.620 Or what unifies the campaigns of Ted Bud in North Carolina and J.D. Vance?

00:23:36.580 Those are both competitive races, and Ted Bud's going to win.

00:23:39.040 The answer is that this entire campaign, like all midterm campaigns, is Donald Sutherland

00:23:43.520 at the end of Body Snatchers pointing at the Democrats and going, like, that's all that's

00:23:47.280 happening right here.

00:23:48.080 And you can peg on that.

00:23:49.340 There's a full...

00:23:50.600 Well, fine.

00:23:51.500 Let's see how Blake Masters does in Arizona before we triumph.

00:23:53.900 No, no.

00:23:54.540 I said if.

00:23:55.380 I said if.

00:23:56.000 But the thing is, what Noel says...

00:23:57.620 I like Blake, by the way.

00:23:58.280 I want Blake to win.

00:23:59.020 No, what Noel says is...

00:24:00.360 My point is that if you're saying that the nationalist conservative agenda has now been

00:24:02.480 completely justified by J.D. Vance...

00:24:03.880 No, no.

00:24:04.220 No, no.

00:24:04.600 No, come on.

00:24:05.240 Come on.

00:24:06.140 That's not it.

00:24:07.000 What Noel said is, I think, half true.

00:24:09.380 It's not Trump.

00:24:10.420 It's what Trump represents.

00:24:11.680 Yes.

00:24:11.960 This is the voice of the people.

00:24:13.860 It is the voice of the people.

00:24:14.940 They do want...

00:24:15.900 They want some government spending, as Henry Olsen said years and years ago.

00:24:20.500 Republicans are going to have to accept that there's such a thing as a welfare state and

00:24:23.480 stop talking about something that's not coming back.

00:24:26.320 But they do not want this radical, crazed agenda that has been put forward, and the Republicans

00:24:32.040 have not been strong enough.

00:24:33.360 I mean, this is the thing.

00:24:34.540 You know, John McCain, Jeb Bush, who they thought was going to be their candidate of all

00:24:40.720 people, Mitt Romney, these guys have got to go.

00:24:43.180 These guys do not represent anybody but a party in the middle of Washington.

00:24:47.260 They don't represent the people.

00:24:48.960 And the reason I mention J.D. and Blake, too, I really hope Blake pulls it out, but

00:24:54.880 that's going to be a tougher race.

00:24:55.900 But the reason I mention this, and I say, maybe you like the vision, maybe you don't

00:24:58.640 like the vision, but when you look at the Democrats, what is the Democrats' position

00:25:02.160 on crime?

00:25:02.940 Let all the criminals out of jail, and also, we're going to be really tough on crime.

00:25:06.080 What's their position on immigration?

00:25:07.360 Open up the borders.

00:25:08.180 We're going to be really tough on the borders.

00:25:09.640 What's their position on foreign policy?

00:25:11.280 What's their position on anything?

00:25:12.540 They have no position.

00:25:13.500 They are actually represented by Joe Biden, wandering around aimlessly on stage.

00:25:18.500 They have no governing agenda.

00:25:19.760 And I was going to say, they were just releasing, I mean, essentially, they were going to run

00:25:23.100 on abortion, right?

00:25:24.960 And they were just releasing scary movie trailers, which were actually funny.

00:25:28.940 Like, they were, I was like, this must be an SNL skit.

00:25:31.000 But it was really them being like, this is what's going to happen if you allow Republicans

00:25:34.960 to win.

00:25:35.560 And it turned out that...

00:25:36.340 There's a cute baby in the closet, like, oh, that's cute.

00:25:38.440 It was totally weird.

00:25:39.740 I was like, is this actually, this is going to be their big pitch?

00:25:41.640 And it turned out, which is really interesting, and I said this when people were, you know,

00:25:45.380 talking about the Supreme Court and Roe v. Wade, I said, this is going to be inconsequential.

00:25:49.120 This is going to be inconsequential.

00:25:50.200 Because what is going to matter is people, the prices at the grocery store, what's happening

00:25:54.980 at the gas pump, the pain, this is going to not even be secondary or tertiary.

00:25:58.320 It's not even going to be a thought when they show up.

00:26:01.040 And that's exactly what we're seeing tonight.

00:26:02.360 I think that the reality is we're not very good at articulating a vision.

00:26:06.660 There's a lot of conflict of vision going on right now in the Republican Party.

00:26:09.900 I agree that all that is true, but I think the impact of it is somewhat marginal.

00:26:14.800 I think for the most part, people vote against.

00:26:18.500 And there are a few moments in history where that isn't true.

00:26:22.560 But I would actually say that the ascension of Obama in 2008 was an aspirational...

00:26:27.340 Yeah, no one was voting against John McCain.

00:26:29.060 That was an aspirational moment.

00:26:30.340 That's in the primaries.

00:26:31.180 But for the most part, Americans vote against.

00:26:34.900 And this is why I think it was a huge mistake for Donald Trump to make himself central to

00:26:40.380 his own re-election efforts in 2008.

00:26:43.880 He, you know, by sort of constitutionally, he puts his name in big gold letters on the

00:26:48.960 side of things.

00:26:49.680 The 2008 election would have been a good time for him not to have put his name in big

00:26:53.740 gold letters on the side of things.

00:26:55.080 Because it should have been a referendum on what the Democrats had just did around COVID

00:26:59.360 around the country, what they had just did around BLM with the riots around the country.

00:27:03.980 President Trump, though, he couldn't let it not be about himself.

00:27:07.500 This election is not about Donald Trump.

00:27:10.020 It's not really about the Republicans at all.

00:27:11.800 It's about the very real consequences of Democratic policies on very real human beings for the last

00:27:17.460 24 and really, we have to say, 36 months.

00:27:20.040 Oh, I agree with that.

00:27:21.320 All I'm pointing out is that the people who are coming in are a new generation with actually

00:27:25.200 new vision.

00:27:25.960 And that's going to continue.

00:27:27.120 That's not going to stop.

00:27:28.280 I agree with that.

00:27:29.100 I mean, I agree that people are voting against the Democrats.

00:27:31.760 They would have to be.

00:27:32.360 I mentioned earlier those exit polls.

00:27:33.920 The shift in Florida 2020-2022 in Latino exit polls, that's a 20-point shift.

00:27:38.740 That is a full 20-point shift.

00:27:40.960 And if the black vote shifts to 20 percent, the Democrats, I don't know where the Democrats...

00:27:45.200 15 percent.

00:27:45.900 The other thing about the Hispanic vote, too, is that in the Hispanic community, if we

00:27:50.800 could even call it that, as we talked about, it's kind of a made-up label, but they also

00:27:54.480 have multi-generational households.

00:27:56.300 These are very family-oriented people.

00:27:58.100 And so when you have the Democrats making this explicit run against the family itself,

00:28:03.520 against the family unit, I mean, the Black Lives Matter for a while on their website had

00:28:06.980 the destruction of the, whatever their phrasing was.

00:28:09.760 The nuclear family.

00:28:10.420 Right.

00:28:10.660 They want to take down the nuclear family.

00:28:11.780 They're explicitly saying that.

00:28:12.960 Well, you're not going to appeal to Hispanics or, you know, any culture that values the

00:28:17.660 family still, you're not going to appeal to them with a message like that.

00:28:20.460 Which, by the way, just shout out to Anna Paulina in Florida, friend of ours.

00:28:23.780 She won, which is super exciting.

00:28:25.120 She worked really hard for years, lost in the past, and now she's won, and just congrats

00:28:30.000 to Anna Paulina.

00:28:30.600 She's a wonderful person.

00:28:31.560 Republicans picked up three seats in Florida so far.

00:28:33.600 That's amazing.

00:28:34.320 I want to get a little reaction from social media because, well, we make a lot of our living

00:28:38.620 on social media, and it's a very, very silly place.

00:28:40.980 And so we have Daily Wire's crack social media team monitoring the situation, and they're

00:28:46.960 going to come to us now and give us a little insight.

00:28:50.300 Hey, guys.

00:28:51.360 This is your social media team here.

00:28:53.040 I'm Gracie.

00:28:53.760 And I'm Regan.

00:28:54.540 And we have been monitoring Twitter literally since the sun came up.

00:28:58.500 The entire day.

00:28:59.660 It's been what was expected a dumpster fire.

00:29:03.580 Of course, as per usual.

00:29:04.860 It's almost like to the level of when Elon took over Twitter and the liberals were losing

00:29:09.980 it, saying, like, you know, what's happening to Twitter?

00:29:12.820 They keep freaking out.

00:29:13.760 And we expected that online, obviously, which is kind of why we're here, to kind of give

00:29:17.280 you guys a little bit of insight.

00:29:18.740 And we think it's kind of ironic that they're hating on democracy, right?

00:29:21.600 That's the biggest thing.

00:29:22.680 Well, actually, there's a threat to democracy.

00:29:25.220 So dramatic.

00:29:26.340 Yes.

00:29:26.760 So dramatic.

00:29:27.400 That is to be expected.

00:29:29.100 One of the things they said is this.

00:29:31.060 People of America, if there was ever a time to vote blue, now is it.

00:29:35.520 Dramatic.

00:29:36.300 Prove the polls wrong.

00:29:37.520 Yes.

00:29:37.940 Prove the media wrong.

00:29:39.160 Yeah.

00:29:39.680 Prove Putin wrong.

00:29:40.880 What's Putin?

00:29:41.440 I love how they call us the extremists, but the language that they use is, like, so extreme.

00:29:48.120 Yes.

00:29:48.320 It's wild.

00:29:48.760 And they just keep pulling things out of thin air.

00:29:50.980 Prove Elon Musk wrong.

00:29:52.680 Reject fascism.

00:29:54.280 Reject greed.

00:29:55.300 Extremism.

00:29:55.820 Extremism.

00:29:56.300 Yes.

00:29:56.640 To the degree.

00:29:57.400 And vote blue to save America.

00:29:59.080 So we just keep seeing that trend.

00:30:00.400 Vote blue to save America.

00:30:01.980 Vote blue to save democracy.

00:30:03.180 And it's kind of getting old, right?

00:30:04.720 It's kind of getting old.

00:30:05.580 And it's literally everyone.

00:30:07.160 But something I love about Twitter, there are some positives, some silver linings.

00:30:10.460 Of course.

00:30:10.820 Is that there have been some good tweets, some good memes that have come out of this.

00:30:14.120 Yes.

00:30:14.380 People being funny, of course, as per usual.

00:30:16.680 And so one of the things that we like is to try to find some base takes, right?

00:30:20.240 Because a lot of times there's not a lot of logic that's happening on Twitter.

00:30:23.240 And so when we can find a little glimpse of logic, we love it, right?

00:30:26.400 Hopefully we'll see more of that coming up.

00:30:28.020 In theory.

00:30:28.820 Yeah.

00:30:28.920 So here's someone that does actually make sense.

00:30:31.480 The same ones threatening you about the death of democracy are the same people who had no

00:30:36.480 problem with the NSA mass surveillance.

00:30:38.820 Accurate.

00:30:39.740 Engaged in mass censorship.

00:30:42.180 Locked people down.

00:30:43.480 Seems extreme.

00:30:44.700 Yes.

00:30:45.040 Yes, exactly.

00:30:46.020 Fired people for not getting the vax.

00:30:48.120 And kept kids out of school for nearly two years.

00:30:50.620 Two years.

00:30:50.980 So this guy is spot on, right?

00:30:52.300 We're finally seeing a little bit of base takes.

00:30:54.600 But again, it's hard to find here on Twitter, as most of y'all know, watching this.

00:30:59.160 Also, we wanted to give a little bit of, you know, one other kind of leftist that I thought

00:31:03.980 was funny.

00:31:04.500 All right.

00:31:04.840 Can I share him?

00:31:05.420 Okay.

00:31:05.840 He said, if election day, it's election day, y'all.

00:31:08.700 Who's ready to save democracy by voting blue down the ballot?

00:31:12.800 And what I think about funny with him is his bio has, you know, the American flag, which I was

00:31:17.640 kind of impressed.

00:31:18.280 Surprise.

00:31:18.760 Good start.

00:31:19.440 Good start.

00:31:19.940 But then, of course, it says, supports Ukraine.

00:31:21.920 Because all of these leftists seem to have the Ukrainian flag in their bio.

00:31:24.940 Kind of reminds me of Jen Rubin, who her username for a while was like Jennifer Pro-Democracy

00:31:30.700 Rubin or something.

00:31:31.720 Yes, exactly.

00:31:32.100 Exactly.

00:31:32.700 It's got to be in your bio.

00:31:33.680 And something that's also just interesting with woke entertainment, Rob Reiner said,

00:31:38.900 don't let democracy die.

00:31:40.320 Vote blue.

00:31:41.020 Yes, exactly.

00:31:41.880 It's just, it's a lot of vote blue, vote blue.

00:31:43.540 It's everywhere.

00:31:43.940 The irony, though, is they keep talking about democracy.

00:31:46.220 But the weird thing is, they're all out voting.

00:31:49.280 So they are doing.

00:31:51.200 Participating.

00:31:51.660 Exactly.

00:31:52.160 Participating.

00:31:52.680 Safely, effectively.

00:31:53.920 So it's very ironic.

00:31:55.360 Again, that's the theme we keep seeing with what they're saying versus what's actually

00:31:58.260 happening out there in the world right now.

00:31:59.480 Kind of reminds me of last week when all the leftists were absolutely freaking out about

00:32:03.840 Twitter being like, you know, the worst thing ever.

00:32:05.560 But they're complaining about free speech on Twitter.

00:32:09.140 Yes.

00:32:09.600 The irony is not lost in us.

00:32:11.160 I assume you guys as well.

00:32:12.560 Now, obviously, we wanted to share a few other ones that we just thought was funny.

00:32:15.340 Ben, of course, because Ben is obviously having the most based takes on Twitter.

00:32:19.700 Keep it up.

00:32:20.140 We're expecting a lot.

00:32:20.820 We keep reading your tweets.

00:32:21.700 And we will admit that this is a homer take.

00:32:23.540 Yes.

00:32:23.820 We're cheating a little bit, but we just want to read Ben's.

00:32:25.700 He said, just remember, if you don't vote today, the clown from it will haunt your dreams.

00:32:30.360 So he's keeping the drama alive because if the left is going to be this dramatic, the

00:32:33.740 right better pull out some drama as well.

00:32:35.160 Seriously.

00:32:36.020 Keep it up, Ben.

00:32:37.180 All right, guys.

00:32:37.820 Back to you.

00:32:38.920 I'll be completely honest and say if Ben had tweeted that exact same tweet last election,

00:32:44.040 it would have gotten labeled with a warning.

00:32:45.680 I don't think I'm right.

00:32:47.100 That's exactly right.

00:32:47.880 100%.

00:32:48.160 Yes.

00:32:48.640 You're right.

00:32:49.320 Sadly.

00:32:49.660 Couldn't agree more.

00:32:51.000 Thank you to Gracie and Reagan.

00:32:51.960 You guys keep us posted on what goes on throughout the rest of the night.

00:32:54.140 We'll be checking back in.

00:32:55.300 We're about to win a seat in Rhode Island.

00:32:56.900 Come on.

00:32:57.680 Rhode Island, which hasn't happened since I believe the earth began turning.

00:33:01.660 The Rhode Island second congressional district, Alan Fung, who is a Republican mayor over

00:33:06.280 there, is about to defeat, it looks like, an incoming state general treasurer, the Democrat

00:33:11.300 nominee, a Democrat retired in this seat.

00:33:13.820 A Republican is leading in that seat, which is not a sane result.

00:33:18.000 That is a crazy result.

00:33:19.420 Meanwhile, the New York Times is now tweeting out, I kid you not, five ways to soothe election

00:33:23.840 stress.

00:33:24.640 What?

00:33:25.320 What?

00:33:25.620 Election deniers?

00:33:26.200 Oh, yeah.

00:33:26.760 There's so much election stress.

00:33:28.580 So here are the five ways they recommend to soothe election stress.

00:33:30.940 We should all try these.

00:33:32.060 Try five finger breathing.

00:33:34.020 Trace the outside of your hand with your pointer finger.

00:33:35.820 Wait, slow down.

00:33:36.320 When you trace up, breathe in.

00:33:38.840 When you trace down, breathe out, guys.

00:33:41.340 That feels great.

00:33:42.960 Keep going.

00:33:43.460 I feel so much better.

00:33:44.440 Cool down.

00:33:45.200 I don't think we can do this one.

00:33:46.260 We have to plunge your face into a bowl with ice water from 15 to 30 seconds.

00:33:49.400 Give me a minute.

00:33:51.740 Move.

00:33:52.580 Even a walk around the block can offer some relief for an uneasy mind.

00:33:56.180 This one.

00:33:57.400 Breathe like a baby.

00:33:59.100 I'm not kidding.

00:33:59.760 What?

00:33:59.900 That's what it says.

00:34:00.220 It says breathe like a baby.

00:34:01.520 Focus on expanding your belly as you breathe, which can send more oxygen to your brain.

00:34:05.360 I thought it was like, have a doctor swatch you on the ass.

00:34:09.780 How does whiskey not make the list?

00:34:11.000 Did they publish this right now, or did this just, like, this can't be, like, recently

00:34:13.880 published?

00:34:14.180 This is within the last hour and a half.

00:34:16.080 I can't believe that.

00:34:16.660 But you know what you're doing?

00:34:17.540 I just cannot believe that.

00:34:18.460 If you're winning the election, then the way to soothe yourself is to do a stogie breathing

00:34:22.920 and plunge your face into a glass of whiskey.

00:34:25.280 That works for me.

00:34:26.600 No matter what's out of it.

00:34:27.420 In the last hour, that is so, I don't know what to say about the state of journalism.

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00:36:31.740 So our friend Jordan Peterson only eats steak.

00:36:35.240 Yes.

00:36:35.660 So it's not a joke.

00:36:36.880 For breakfast, he will eat 30 ounces of ribeye.

00:36:40.260 Holy Moses.

00:36:41.140 If you go to Amarillo, Texas and eat the famous steak, where they'll give it to you for free if you can finish, it's 72 ounces.

00:36:48.380 That's an average Tuesday.

00:36:50.100 That's just a Tuesday for Dr. Jordan Peterson.

00:36:52.520 He eats so much steak.

00:36:53.600 I want to get through the holidays before I try it, but I'm really tempted.

00:36:57.900 You know, once you get past all the delicious treats that come around Christmas.

00:37:01.860 And I think Good Ranchers needs to sponsor the Jeremy Goes on the Carnivore diet.

00:37:06.860 Oh, yeah.

00:37:07.160 They make great steaks.

00:37:09.240 I have, well, no online following, but I sit near people with a huge online following.

00:37:15.500 Yeah, yeah.

00:37:15.860 I feel like it should just be Good Ranchers nonstop.

00:37:18.180 They'll lose about a million dollars in meat, but we'll have a good time.

00:37:21.800 Exactly.

00:37:22.460 I just want to mention, in that Rhode Island second congressional district, that district went by, for the Democrat, by 17 points last time.

00:37:28.060 No.

00:37:28.640 Wow.

00:37:28.980 You're looking like a 20% swing across the board here in some of these races.

00:37:32.000 It could be.

00:37:32.380 I mean, some of these races, and again, right now, we're still waiting on returns at all, basically, from Pennsylvania.

00:37:38.780 They're counting the mail-in ballots.

00:37:39.800 The mail-in right now is showing Fetterman only trailing the performance of Josh Shapiro, who's widely expected to win that gubernatorial race, by about four points.

00:37:46.800 If that were to hold Fetterman, it would win the Senate fairly easily, or either that or Shapiro is not running that far ahead of Mastriano, right?

00:37:52.800 One of those two things has to be true, but there's wide gaps is what...

00:37:56.600 This Shapiro speech this week, the whole left was praising it as, like, the second coming of Barack Obama.

00:38:02.820 I found the whole thing, other than something of the energy and something of the cadence.

00:38:06.560 Yeah, he had some energy.

00:38:07.340 He had some energy.

00:38:07.780 The substance of the speech was horrifying.

00:38:09.680 But I always felt Obama had no substance, too.

00:38:12.140 I mean, Obama, his whole, you know, there was not a red America, there was not a blue America.

00:38:16.820 I always thought it was so vapid.

00:38:18.400 Are you trying to get us kicked off?

00:38:20.100 Yeah, I know.

00:38:20.540 We're going to totally...

00:38:21.500 I just...

00:38:21.960 I always thought his rhetoric, though it sounded kind of pretty, I always thought that was totally empty.

00:38:26.080 And so, in that regard, maybe Josh Shapiro is the next guy.

00:38:28.740 He spoke full sentences.

00:38:29.500 That's a lot for the left right now.

00:38:30.940 Yeah, right.

00:38:31.360 Why don't you guys stop being so harsh?

00:38:32.460 We've got Joe Biden.

00:38:34.080 I'll be honest.

00:38:34.700 In my lifetime, it's a lot for any American president.

00:38:37.720 Speak a full sentence.

00:38:38.680 Yeah, speak a full sentence.

00:38:40.100 So, right now, let's give them that.

00:38:41.300 Kemp is up on Abrams by about five points.

00:38:43.160 He's up 52 to 47, as we suggested before.

00:38:46.220 If Walker is going to win or at least avoid losing tonight, you know, at least...

00:38:52.160 Could be a runoff.

00:38:52.880 ...runoff.

00:38:53.880 Kemp really needs to be up in the 54% range.

00:38:56.520 How many...

00:38:57.020 What percent reporting?

00:38:58.360 That's 44% reporting.

00:39:00.020 Could theoretically happen, but that's like almost 2 million votes.

00:39:02.920 Has the early voting been counted?

00:39:04.920 I don't know how it works in Georgia, whether they pre-count the early vote.

00:39:07.740 I'll check.

00:39:08.040 Why don't we go to our Election Wire friends and see if they have any insight into what's

00:39:12.480 happening down in Georgia, what it's going to take to win there.

00:39:15.040 We've got Cabot Phillips and John Bickley over at Election Wire.

00:39:18.500 Guys.

00:39:30.780 Hey.

00:39:33.840 Over at Election Wire.

00:39:35.900 I'm on.

00:39:38.740 I'm joined by Robert Cahaley from Trafalgar Group.

00:39:41.200 That was fun.

00:39:41.660 You know, we've partnered with Trafalgar Group for a bunch of exclusive polls.

00:39:47.520 They do a lot of, you know, digging in deep to these polls, talk to a lot of Americans.

00:39:53.160 Always have polls that are at least 1,000 voters.

00:39:56.940 What are we seeing so far?

00:39:58.500 Any insights from particularly Florida and Georgia?

00:40:01.400 Florida is very different than the rest of the country.

00:40:08.300 And then I've been categorizing Florida for the most of this entire campaign is not really

00:40:12.800 a swing state anymore.

00:40:14.480 So what we are seeing in Georgia is Walker is behind Kemp, but he isn't behind far enough

00:40:21.720 that if Kemp gets the numbers we're expecting, which is, you know, an eight to nine point victory,

00:40:27.100 and if Walker stays within five or six, then that's a victory of that runoff for Walker.

00:40:32.240 So if Walker can maintain that small distance behind Kemp, that's pretty good.

00:40:38.000 It puts him in a pretty good position to have a good night.

00:40:40.460 Some of the gaps we're looking at now are just about 2 percent maybe behind Kemp, which

00:40:45.280 is really good for Walker.

00:40:46.520 That's tremendous if he stays there.

00:40:47.700 If that can hold up, that'd be impressive.

00:40:50.020 And as Cabot noted, we've seen a lot of the pretty heavily blue counties coming in.

00:40:55.280 Another good sign for Republicans there.

00:40:57.120 And also a lot of the early vote.

00:40:58.740 And the early vote this year in Georgia is not quite as lopsided as it has been in the

00:41:03.800 past.

00:41:04.800 But I mean, when you're half of the vote in and the Republicans aren't getting destroyed,

00:41:10.020 that is a very, that points to a very big night.

00:41:13.380 One more question.

00:41:13.920 You know, with the early vote, we can, the states look different in terms of how they're

00:41:17.940 going to count them.

00:41:19.020 Pennsylvania, we've been warned by all the Democrats, it's going to take a long time to

00:41:22.600 count those.

00:41:23.180 It's different, though, obviously, in Florida, where we have, what, 80 percent of the vote

00:41:27.940 in already.

00:41:29.280 What about Georgia?

00:41:30.620 Well, Georgia, the new election law is certainly making it easier with the way that they're

00:41:35.000 demanding a little more accountability.

00:41:37.100 And frankly, there's a lot of people watching now.

00:41:39.720 And the requirement for the signatures and the ID verification is going to mean a little

00:41:45.320 bit less of what was in the past.

00:41:47.280 But also because it's in-person early vote, it's much easier to count than the absentee

00:41:52.860 ballots.

00:41:53.640 Now, we have had, as usual, problems.

00:41:56.320 I think Cobb County had 1,100 absentee ballots that were mailed the day before the election.

00:42:00.980 Yeah.

00:42:01.220 And there's already a lawsuit on that.

00:42:02.980 Surprise, surprise, a lawsuit in Georgia.

00:42:04.660 Maybe people aren't happy with the way it might turn out.

00:42:06.960 So lawsuit in Georgia, two or so lawsuits in Arizona.

00:42:10.820 It's already getting, you know, controversial.

00:42:13.520 But thanks a lot.

00:42:14.400 We'll be back with Robert in the future.

00:42:17.880 Thank you guys very much.

00:42:19.260 It's too early to say if we have a red wave, but it's certainly a strong night for Republicans

00:42:23.860 right out of the gate.

00:42:24.900 Did you?

00:42:25.360 I voted early, too, because I was going to be here.

00:42:27.480 And I had to vote in person.

00:42:29.440 I walked in.

00:42:30.780 They checked my ID.

00:42:31.800 They asked me my middle name, which isn't on my driver's license, because they had it

00:42:35.720 in their room.

00:42:36.440 And then they showed me on the computer.

00:42:37.800 They said, we are now saying that you have voted on the computer.

00:42:40.880 It was actually, I felt pretty secure.

00:42:42.940 I mean, it was well done.

00:42:44.080 Same in Tennessee.

00:42:44.860 I did not vote early because I'm an American, but I went to the local Presbyterian church

00:42:49.680 this morning.

00:42:50.340 And I walked in.

00:42:52.860 Because I've been in California for over 20 years, I walked up and said, Jeremy Borey,

00:42:57.220 I'm here to vote.

00:42:57.620 And she said, oh, sweetie, I just need your ID.

00:43:00.100 And I was a little taken aback for a moment.

00:43:02.020 I thought I was going to have to call the diversity police or something and shut this operation

00:43:05.820 down.

00:43:06.100 But no, it turns out it was incredibly simple.

00:43:08.320 And once I handed them my ID, they were very quickly able to identify who I am.

00:43:13.260 Give me my ballot.

00:43:13.820 But if you voted at the...

00:43:14.720 That's an ID.

00:43:16.700 We'll explain it to you later.

00:43:17.820 As a black woman, I don't expect you to understand.

00:43:19.840 You have to explain.

00:43:21.120 Talk slowly.

00:43:21.640 Jeremy, if you voted at a Presbyterian church, did you even need to cast your vote?

00:43:25.400 Or was it all just sort of predestined to occur?

00:43:29.040 Good night, everybody.

00:43:31.160 Drive safely.

00:43:31.860 So we've talked a little bit about this tonight, but not since Candace was with us.

00:43:37.580 And I think it's incredibly important.

00:43:39.520 A lot of people, they're watching right now.

00:43:41.180 They're optimistic.

00:43:42.720 They're hopeful that we're going to win.

00:43:43.840 But they're wondering, what does it mean if we win?

00:43:46.660 Republicans, OK, we pick up seats in the House.

00:43:49.140 OK, we get a majority in the Senate.

00:43:51.340 What are the...

00:43:51.960 In my actual life that I'm actually living, where gasoline is too expensive, the dollar is

00:43:56.380 not worth what it's supposed to be.

00:43:57.640 Food prices are going up.

00:43:59.060 I don't want to just eat Chef Boyardee, as Michael said, and as Democrat politicians

00:44:03.080 have actually suggested.

00:44:05.000 What is the practical effect of a win tonight?

00:44:08.920 You know, I don't think that we're going to see much change at the pump.

00:44:12.180 But that's one thing.

00:44:13.220 There's nothing that is going to move these guys off the dime of climate emergency.

00:44:17.420 It is...

00:44:17.740 They are all in on this idea, which even the New York Times...

00:44:21.820 Actually, if you're reading the small print in the New York Times, even they are admitting

00:44:24.780 that this existential climate emergency doesn't exist.

00:44:27.840 It hasn't...

00:44:28.680 It never has, and it's all an illusion.

00:44:31.440 So I don't think it's going to have the kinds of effects on the things that matter, the crime

00:44:36.780 wave.

00:44:37.020 The reason it's not is because ever since Obama, the Democrats have taken the position

00:44:41.600 that if the voters get it wrong, they are going to continue on their path.

00:44:46.120 It used to be...

00:44:47.020 Take Bill Clinton.

00:44:48.080 We got, you know, shellacked, whatever the word he used was.

00:44:50.300 I think that was Obama's, but he got, you know, also shellacked.

00:44:53.600 And he said, we're going to change.

00:44:55.080 And they moved to the center.

00:44:56.540 That no longer happens in the Democrat Party.

00:44:58.400 They are so dominated by their base.

00:45:00.180 So I don't think we're going to see the kind of change we want to see.

00:45:04.000 But if the Democrats continue doing what they're doing, we're going to see a lot of change

00:45:07.640 come two years from now.

00:45:08.660 You know, there is also a story that people are not talking about, but it was a news alert

00:45:12.640 that popped up today, which is that Ukraine President Vladimir Zelensky said he'd be willing

00:45:17.540 to negotiate a peace with Russia if certain criteria are met.

00:45:21.460 And the fact that this came on the American Election Day, I think, is no coincidence.

00:45:25.980 Everyone around the world watches the American polls because we are the global hegemon.

00:45:29.820 We are the empire.

00:45:30.640 They are all vassal states in some way or other.

00:45:34.040 And that actually...

00:45:35.420 Slightly put in all sorts.

00:45:36.320 Well, yes.

00:45:36.960 You know what I mean?

00:45:37.420 To be really subtle about it.

00:45:39.100 And it matters because the Republicans are coming in as much more skeptical of an open

00:45:44.740 check on Ukraine.

00:45:46.000 And so we'll see how the Republicans play it.

00:45:48.060 I don't think they're going to come out as anti-Ukraine, but I think you're going to

00:45:50.800 see a lot more scrutiny into how that money is being spent.

00:45:54.440 And so that could add a lot of pressure for a resolution in that war.

00:45:58.240 And that actually could affect energy prices.

00:46:00.700 And that certainly would probably make a...

00:46:01.800 And also, while Candace is here, I feel like I can count on you to be with me about impeaching

00:46:07.600 Biden immediately.

00:46:08.700 I am 100% on board to make Biden immediately.

00:46:12.060 Candace already impeached him.

00:46:12.960 I don't want to get too caught up on technicalities.

00:46:18.460 For what?

00:46:20.280 But don't be ridiculous.

00:46:21.640 It's a ridiculous question.

00:46:22.880 It doesn't matter.

00:46:23.520 Just impeach him.

00:46:24.300 Impeach him and we'll figure it out afterwards.

00:46:26.580 You got to impeach him to find out what she impeach him.

00:46:29.440 That's exactly how it works.

00:46:31.180 Why do you guys want Kamala Harris so bad?

00:46:33.580 Honestly, I do.

00:46:34.940 I think I do.

00:46:35.820 Like I said before, I didn't realize how stupid she was.

00:46:38.640 Like I honestly, I was so focused on like the Trump versus Biden thing that she flew under

00:46:43.400 the radar for me.

00:46:44.380 And I am so impressed with her stupidity that I do want her to have a bigger platform.

00:46:48.500 I do.

00:46:48.860 Also, Kamala Harris has this thing about Venn diagrams.

00:46:52.260 I love nuclear football.

00:46:53.840 She loves Venn.

00:46:54.460 My favorite big president, you just get nuclear football.

00:46:57.120 And I love football.

00:46:58.280 And I love nuclear football.

00:46:58.880 Who doesn't love football?

00:46:59.960 And also, it's so bizarre.

00:47:01.000 Both the two circles and the three.

00:47:02.360 Yeah.

00:47:02.460 It's not bizarre.

00:47:03.440 Yeah.

00:47:03.600 And the middle circles.

00:47:04.220 What's fascinating is how much black America hates Kamala Harris.

00:47:06.680 It's incredible.

00:47:07.780 I mean, they just have to make it go away.

00:47:09.580 I would think anyone at any risk of being lumped in or labeled on the basis of a Kamala

00:47:15.080 Harris is going to hate her.

00:47:16.160 And so that's going to be all women.

00:47:17.980 That's going to be black America.

00:47:19.860 And if you guys have your way and win with impeaching Joe Biden, it will be all Americans

00:47:23.880 who are suddenly being lumped in together with this.

00:47:26.940 She's just so unlikable.

00:47:27.940 And every time she opens her mouth, I'm like, that was really dumb.

00:47:31.080 Well, my favorite thing, I do love the My Favorite Things tour.

00:47:33.740 It's like Julie Andrews, My Favorite Things tour.

00:47:35.340 Mm-hmm.

00:47:35.960 Yep.

00:47:36.140 It's like, you know, dewdrops and...

00:47:37.940 Raindrops on roses.

00:47:39.240 Right.

00:47:39.600 Venn diagrams.

00:47:40.500 School buses.

00:47:42.160 Electric school buses.

00:47:43.640 When the dog bites.

00:47:44.960 Outer space.

00:47:45.480 When Joe Biden sniffs.

00:47:48.080 Sorry, I had to.

00:47:49.020 It was even right there.

00:47:49.160 Actually, that was relate.

00:47:50.380 When she was at the DNP talking to, like, some random officers about outer space, like,

00:47:57.580 looking at North Korea.

00:47:58.640 That was my favorite.

00:47:59.600 I found that very relatable, actually.

00:48:01.400 Like, this is my...

00:48:02.080 I do like her.

00:48:02.840 I don't know.

00:48:03.420 I don't know.

00:48:03.460 It's my consolation tonight on Pennsylvania, because if things don't go well for Dr. Oz,

00:48:09.320 if we have the majority in the Senate and Dr. Oz loses and John Fetterman wins, I know

00:48:15.000 Republicans are going to be pulling their hair out.

00:48:16.920 I do think it will be kind of funny.

00:48:19.580 I will get a kick out of it.

00:48:20.520 Because we'll get control of the Senate, and I'll get pretty good content for, like,

00:48:24.360 six years.

00:48:24.780 So I'm not terribly upset about...

00:48:26.800 Also, Dr. Oz is not a good candidate, but that's...

00:48:29.400 I know we have to be unified tonight, go out and vote for Dr. Oz, but he just is not

00:48:32.520 a good candidate.

00:48:33.340 And so if we can keep control of the Senate and still get, you know, Kamala as president,

00:48:39.360 John Fetterman as senator, that's kind of hilarious.

00:48:40.920 And that's my pitch, because it's good for our shows to have content.

00:48:43.800 Yes.

00:48:44.000 And we need Kamala Harris.

00:48:45.060 I got rid of Tiffany Cross, and we do have to fill.

00:48:47.200 Right?

00:48:47.320 I mean, without Tiffany Cross, that's, like, at least five to seven percent of my content.

00:48:51.040 Right.

00:48:51.340 That's what I was doing.

00:48:51.680 On a regular basis.

00:48:52.200 So just to supply to man, I hear you.

00:48:54.500 Rex Chapman has a very important response to what's happening tonight.

00:48:58.180 It involves some cursing.

00:49:01.180 Effing...

00:49:01.540 No bleeps.

00:49:02.080 No bleeps.

00:49:02.520 Just do it.

00:49:03.120 Really?

00:49:03.820 No.

00:49:04.100 No.

00:49:05.540 I can tell you what you heard there for a second.

00:49:06.920 This is your brand.

00:49:07.520 The impulse.

00:49:08.260 It is, in fact, my brand.

00:49:09.440 You have a point.

00:49:10.340 The funny thing about bleeping my brand is that my producers know, basically, at the

00:49:14.240 studio, it's been after dark pretty much all the time.

00:49:17.780 Everybody who knows me off the air knows that, like, yeah.

00:49:19.880 It can be very blunt.

00:49:20.340 Anyway, Rex Chapman.

00:49:21.540 Effing Rand Paul.

00:49:22.660 Effing Ron DeSantis.

00:49:23.660 Effing Marco Rubio.

00:49:24.580 Our democracy is absolutely, positively effed.

00:49:27.700 That's Rex Chapman.

00:49:29.100 But he'll always have his bizarre love for Nancy Pelosi's big, big brain.

00:49:32.640 So that's the important thing.

00:49:34.020 That is sexy.

00:49:35.100 Very intellectual.

00:49:36.260 So much...

00:49:36.760 What a sexy brain.

00:49:37.520 Well, as he points out, though, nothing says democracy is effed quite like the majority

00:49:43.000 of people making their opinion known at the polls and then getting what they want.

00:49:46.100 By voting.

00:49:47.200 Yeah.

00:49:47.420 Yeah, it's totally sold down.

00:49:49.580 One thing that I really do want to see on a more serious note, though, like, and I know

00:49:52.900 that a lot of parents saw me on this, like, some accountability regarding COVID, some shrinking

00:49:56.480 of the bureaucrats.

00:49:57.200 Oh, yeah, everybody.

00:49:57.360 It's like the idea that they just took two years of everybody's lives and tortured children.

00:50:01.080 And then I go back to Stacey Abrams, where, I mean, for me, etched into my mind is that

00:50:06.580 photo of her sitting in front of kindergartners.

00:50:09.000 She's the only one not wearing a mask.

00:50:10.140 I cannot wait to forgive them.

00:50:13.060 I cannot wait to forget.

00:50:14.540 I cannot wait to move forward in a country with amnesty for all COVID.

00:50:19.980 It's like, we all did stuff.

00:50:20.720 You can't hold people accountable for the things they do to others for their own benefit.

00:50:26.180 But by the way, Jeremy, it's not Christian.

00:50:29.260 We all did stuff.

00:50:30.040 Like, they tormented us, sure.

00:50:31.860 But it's like, we were tormented.

00:50:33.480 It's like, we all did stuff, you know?

00:50:34.820 We got crazy and whatever.

00:50:36.320 We yelled at our grandmas and told them that they should all die alone.

00:50:39.300 But let's just, we just need a COVID amnesty.

00:50:40.100 Yeah, we're always whining about, oh, you're letting my grandmother die alone.

00:50:43.040 A lot of whining, you know?

00:50:44.640 It's genuinely, it is genuinely unchristian to forgive and give this blanket amnesty for COVID

00:50:52.960 policy because it was, to say that we have some sort of moral obligation to treat people

00:51:00.520 who have power over us with the grace that Christ shows to those whom he has power over

00:51:06.200 is a complete inversion of Christian doctrine.

00:51:09.040 And also justice is a part of Christian thought also.

00:51:12.320 I mean, the forgiveness has to follow upon an apology and a recognition.

00:51:14.960 Repent.

00:51:15.420 Like repentance?

00:51:16.260 Yeah.

00:51:16.360 Like, you have to repent.

00:51:17.540 Repent your sin.

00:51:18.180 And then maybe, like, it is amazing to watch as all these people who wish to do the same

00:51:22.700 thing over again.

00:51:23.320 Of course they do.

00:51:24.080 Yeah, they do it tomorrow.

00:51:24.800 Like, in the same article where Emily Oster was saying we should all have repentance and

00:51:29.280 all this, she was saying, well, maybe we should still vax the kids.

00:51:31.200 And it's like, what the?

00:51:33.120 I don't understand.

00:51:33.840 Maybe the newborn infants need a vaxer too, but, you know, a little COVID vax.

00:51:37.280 It's totally safe and effective for now.

00:51:38.800 Totally safe and effective as long as.

00:51:41.040 And also the things they're claiming they did, in that article, she also says that,

00:51:45.460 well, you know, in April of that year, I was hiking with masks on with my family in

00:51:49.920 the woods.

00:51:50.600 And we didn't know.

00:51:51.500 We didn't know.

00:51:51.960 It's like, no, well, I, we all, everyone here knew.

00:51:54.340 So, like, why didn't you know?

00:51:56.580 Protected against bears.

00:51:57.920 That's why you hike with a face mask in the woods.

00:51:59.720 Well, but only, only in 90.

00:52:02.480 Yeah.

00:52:03.200 The bear can't recognize you.

00:52:04.320 So we have a guest who's ready to join us now.

00:52:07.660 I'm very excited, not only because she's a friend, but she's also an absolute champion.

00:52:13.220 And they're telling me in my ear, not quite yet.

00:52:14.780 So this is just like.

00:52:15.940 What a teaser.

00:52:16.680 This is the night.

00:52:17.500 Wow.

00:52:17.940 Yeah.

00:52:18.320 This is absolutely the night in which all things that can go wrong will, and the person

00:52:23.740 who's humiliated will always be me.

00:52:25.800 No, it's fine.

00:52:26.660 You guys have big following.

00:52:27.740 No one will ever blame you.

00:52:28.780 Oh, oh, Ben's so great.

00:52:30.500 Oh, we love Candace.

00:52:31.760 Oh, Matt's documentary this.

00:52:33.240 Oh, every time Jeremy talks, he says something's going to happen, and it doesn't.

00:52:36.060 I don't even know why they have him here, so that's a bummer.

00:52:40.680 Just terrible.

00:52:41.700 Can you tell me who she is?

00:52:43.360 Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and talk about her for a minute.

00:52:44.980 Yeah, all right.

00:52:45.400 It's our friend Harmeet Dillon, who, in addition to being just a champion for justice, who helped

00:52:50.620 represent us at the Supreme Court, in our, not at the Supreme Court, but in our battle

00:52:54.900 in the courts against Biden's unconstitutional vaccine mandates, which is something that we

00:52:59.520 don't brag on ourselves about often enough, the first company in the nation to sue Joe Biden

00:53:04.340 to stop the mandates.

00:53:07.220 I've seen Harmeet, in all of these situations, just be an absolute stone-cold killer.

00:53:14.860 She's 100% not ready to join us yet.

00:53:17.280 Yeah.

00:53:17.580 But I just wanted to say nice.

00:53:18.700 That's a great team.

00:53:18.960 I do want to say that she was on my, also in the BLM documentary that we did.

00:53:22.720 She is just an incredible human being.

00:53:24.640 I actually, I didn't know she was joining, and I'm very excited that she's joining.

00:53:27.420 Oh, she's not joining at this point.

00:53:31.060 Not yet.

00:53:31.320 The chances of that happening.

00:53:32.800 Let us down again.

00:53:33.760 The frickin' Maricopa County voting machines are more reliable.

00:53:36.200 Right?

00:53:36.220 And I was going to say, she's on that right now, too.

00:53:38.800 She's tweeting about that, talking about filing early lawsuits.

00:53:40.980 I actually, can we cut to somebody who's not ready, though, yet?

00:53:43.460 Yeah.

00:53:44.000 I actually did say, though, I told our technical team here, I said, guys, do not get the Maricopa

00:53:49.700 County cameras and switchboard.

00:53:51.860 It's not going to turn out well.

00:53:52.940 That's always where you go wrong.

00:53:54.460 Right now, by the way, I'll just give you a quick Georgia update, since we're just sitting

00:53:57.240 here anyway.

00:53:57.960 I think 54% reporting.

00:53:59.640 Warnock is up 51-47 over Walker.

00:54:02.140 So he's running a little bit stronger than I think people would want him to.

00:54:05.060 I'd love to hear what Harmeet has to say about that.

00:54:07.040 We're not going to.

00:54:07.820 We never will.

00:54:08.860 Never will.

00:54:09.380 But it would be interesting.

00:54:10.340 The other race that is surprisingly tight, hopefully it'll open up a little bit, is the

00:54:13.780 North Carolina center race.

00:54:14.820 Ted Budd right now is running very close to Sherry Beasley.

00:54:18.060 He was supposed to beat her in most of the polls by somewhere between four and six points.

00:54:20.960 Right now, he's only up by 0.3.

00:54:24.100 He's up by approximately 6,000 votes out of 2.6 million cast, something like that.

00:54:29.040 You would expect that the rural votes come in a little bit later, usually after the city

00:54:32.060 votes.

00:54:32.160 Yeah, what percentage is reporting?

00:54:32.640 So right now, that's only 58% reporting.

00:54:34.600 So you expect that to widen a little bit.

00:54:35.900 But that's a closer race than I think people had sort of foreseen at this point.

00:54:39.860 It's kind of a mixed bag, right?

00:54:41.160 Like the areas where Republicans have done like an amazing job, they're kicking ass.

00:54:45.240 And in places where they're kind of like nobody knows, then they're kind of meh.

00:54:50.380 Have you tried breathing like a baby?

00:54:52.320 I will.

00:54:53.100 I will.

00:54:53.600 It's also, I think, challenging because we have controlled media essentially in this

00:54:59.940 country.

00:55:00.260 The left absolutely dominates almost all of our major institutions.

00:55:03.480 And the reason that they were running so hard on the red wave story 14 days ago is

00:55:07.840 to create fear among Democrats and motivate them to go to the polls.

00:55:12.440 If you were looking at a blue wave two weeks ago, they would have been downplaying it in

00:55:16.240 all the institutional press because they wouldn't have wanted to create a fear response among

00:55:20.660 conservatives.

00:55:22.200 That's just, every election conservatives have to overcome the institutional deficit.

00:55:28.420 And that institutional deficit, I think, has gotten worse and worse and worse over the

00:55:31.920 years.

00:55:33.400 One of the encouraging things is that conservatives tend to adapt quickly.

00:55:37.240 So the Democrats, we were talking about this earlier, the Democrats will create some new

00:55:40.100 mechanism.

00:55:40.500 Yeah.

00:55:41.880 Within two, four years when they, social media, conservatives dominated social media in the

00:55:47.420 early days, which is why they had to start actually shadow banning and banning conservatives.

00:55:51.380 So I think that we do a good job of overcoming all those institutional hurdles.

00:55:55.480 But what do you think they cost us?

00:55:56.620 Five?

00:55:57.280 Is it five points?

00:55:58.120 Is it 10 points in every single election?

00:56:00.480 Well, I mean, just by banning the New York Post story, it cost Trump 12 points.

00:56:04.160 The presidency.

00:56:04.880 Yeah, the presidency.

00:56:06.200 By a lot.

00:56:06.840 By a lot, actually.

00:56:07.680 Yeah, so that's obviously a huge problem.

00:56:11.840 It's interesting, though, you mentioned this mixed bag that we're getting.

00:56:14.640 It seems like a red wave.

00:56:15.780 It seems like a red tsunami.

00:56:17.100 But then, you know, ah, man, we should have had Georgia.

00:56:19.240 Ah, man, we should have, you know.

00:56:20.380 And, and the, I really, the only state that I'm really focused on right now, and I know

00:56:25.040 that we don't have numbers for it yet, is New York.

00:56:27.420 I know you're, I know you're.

00:56:28.160 I can't, I'm, I'm all about New York.

00:56:30.080 I actually think Lee Zeldin could pull it out.

00:56:33.100 As corrupt as New York is, I mean, there are, you know, we were, we were joking, not really

00:56:37.040 joking, about Philadelphia is a corrupt city and they mess with the votes and that's

00:56:40.700 gone on for decades.

00:56:41.960 New York is actually not as bad.

00:56:44.080 As corrupt as New York is, usually you get the numbers in relatively, you know, quickly.

00:56:48.980 And so you could get, I think you could get a Lee Zeldin win.

00:56:52.880 I think you probably will get a win in New York 17.

00:56:56.180 There, but we don't have the numbers yet.

00:56:58.340 Like Hermes.

00:56:59.440 Zeldin's strong run is going to help the down market candidates, but I cannot picture him

00:57:04.960 winning, actually winning because just the numbers alone, you know, it used to be that

00:57:09.040 upstate New York was heavily Republican, but it's not anymore.

00:57:12.880 So if he wins even 30% in the city, he is going to have an uphill climb making it.

00:57:18.980 Making a majority.

00:57:20.040 Well, right now coming to us from, no, coming to us from Arizona at the Cary Lake campaign,

00:57:26.460 I can't believe it.

00:57:27.440 We actually have Harmeet K.

00:57:28.580 Dillon here with us.

00:57:31.060 Oh, we're not.

00:57:32.460 Harmeet, we see you.

00:57:36.820 Lying again, Jeremy.

00:57:38.120 Yeah, Jeremy.

00:57:38.820 Listen, I don't know who you want to blame.

00:57:40.540 The signal is a little interrupted.

00:57:42.060 Hi, guys.

00:57:42.800 Not Jeremy.

00:57:43.280 There we go.

00:57:43.640 Hey, Harmeet.

00:57:43.960 There you are.

00:57:44.640 How are you?

00:57:47.600 Hi.

00:57:48.560 Hi.

00:57:48.900 I'm sorry.

00:57:49.340 I'm in a crowded conference room here just at the end of the hearing, so there may be

00:57:53.060 a lot of other noise here.

00:57:55.500 Sorry about that.

00:57:57.020 Not at all.

00:57:57.600 Tell us what's happening there.

00:57:58.400 All right.

00:58:05.520 We're going to try to get Harmeet back here in a little bit, but we're going to move

00:58:08.340 on right now because we have a bad...

00:58:09.720 Harmeet is at a hearing in Iraq right now, so...

00:58:12.080 If you're going to captain this ship, man...

00:58:13.600 Listen, it is not Harmeet's fault.

00:58:16.240 She's in a third world country.

00:58:19.160 She's trying to...

00:58:20.140 Yeah, she's in Maricopa County here.

00:58:22.340 You can't expect anything to work here.

00:58:24.160 I want to go back to my happy place, Flora.

00:58:25.720 Brian DeSantis is currently up by 20 points.

00:58:31.940 This is now getting embarrassing.

00:58:33.780 He's up 59 to 40 over Charlie Crist.

00:58:36.820 4.3 million votes to 2.9 million votes.

00:58:39.440 He's up 1.4 million votes.

00:58:41.140 And at his victory party, people are chanting two more years, which is...

00:58:45.500 I mean, what is the argument?

00:58:49.880 It's actually hysterically funny.

00:58:51.000 That's really funny.

00:58:51.860 What is the argument against him in 2024?

00:58:54.220 I don't even...

00:58:55.500 I don't see it.

00:58:56.280 What's the argument against him?

00:58:56.820 It's not Donald Trump.

00:58:57.620 That's...

00:58:58.060 Donald Trump is the argument against him.

00:58:58.760 And will Trump's voters follow him if he wins the primary?

00:59:03.820 And does Ron DeSantis play retail nationally?

00:59:07.620 I'm not saying he doesn't.

00:59:08.860 He's done an incredible job in Florida.

00:59:10.400 He's like the greatest governor of my lifetime.

00:59:12.160 But Donald Trump is a singular individual.

00:59:15.100 He is the biggest rock star in the last 40 years.

00:59:18.440 He's got a magnetic quality to him.

00:59:20.600 I know he's got lots of negatives that everyone hates.

00:59:23.040 But the guy is just a unique case.

00:59:25.720 But like all rock stars...

00:59:26.680 I'm not worried about DeSantis on the...

00:59:27.760 Right.

00:59:28.120 Yeah, right.

00:59:28.800 I will say that there's a thing that he's done over the past four days.

00:59:32.820 He's been attacking DeSantis.

00:59:34.300 Yeah.

00:59:34.640 And it's not playing.

00:59:35.520 Not effective.

00:59:35.960 It is not playing the way that his attacks played in 2016.

00:59:39.060 Maybe it's because it's early.

00:59:40.300 Maybe it's because we're in the middle of midterm.

00:59:41.820 The timing.

00:59:42.040 The timing is terrible.

00:59:43.420 Ron DeSanctimonious is a terrible nickname.

00:59:44.960 I'm just going to put it out there.

00:59:45.900 Trump is really good at branding.

00:59:47.360 And that's a bad...

00:59:48.320 That one is never going to see the light of day again.

00:59:49.900 He's never going back to Ron DeSanctimonious.

00:59:51.360 It stinks.

00:59:51.760 It's a terrible brand.

00:59:53.120 It doesn't even apply.

00:59:54.260 You don't think of Sanctimonious.

00:59:55.980 Right, exactly.

00:59:56.680 The thing you miss, though, many of Trump's nicknames don't work.

01:00:01.940 But what he's always had is the feedback loop of Twitter.

01:00:04.740 And so he rolls them out.

01:00:07.580 Well, he had one for Hillary, like...

01:00:09.560 No Stamina Hillary.

01:00:11.020 No Stamina Hillary.

01:00:11.800 That didn't go anywhere.

01:00:12.420 He throws them out, like improv.

01:00:14.960 And he measures the reaction.

01:00:16.280 But they've cut him off from his feedback mechanism.

01:00:18.640 He still has the live audiences when he does his rallies, and that's important.

01:00:22.040 But his real feedback mechanism was Twitter.

01:00:24.320 I think that, you know, it's not for nothing that they banned him.

01:00:28.960 I also think one of the things that's been happening here, and like today, he attacked

01:00:33.400 DeSantis by saying, if he runs in 2024, then, you know, I know more about him than anybody

01:00:39.140 except his wife, which is a real...

01:00:40.460 No, he said, except perhaps his wife.

01:00:43.980 Which, like, weird if true.

01:00:45.880 Yeah.

01:00:46.140 Weird if true, that Donald Trump knows Ron DeSantis better than anyone except his wife.

01:00:49.600 Like a weird...

01:00:51.020 I wouldn't have predicted it.

01:00:52.340 I didn't have that on my bingo card.

01:00:54.420 I'm curious.

01:00:55.140 Strangely curious.

01:00:55.800 But the reason that that's not playing is because, again, Ron DeSantis, unlike everybody

01:01:02.560 else who ran against Trump in 2016, except for...

01:01:06.360 Was Perry running in 2016?

01:01:08.400 Was that 2012?

01:01:09.260 I think it was 2012.

01:01:09.780 Perry was 2012.

01:01:10.240 So everyone else who was running against Trump was a senator.

01:01:14.440 Yeah.

01:01:15.260 The fact is, Jeb had been a governor 1,000 years ago.

01:01:19.260 Right.

01:01:19.580 So what that means is that he wasn't running from anyone who had a national brand in terms

01:01:24.000 of being very, very good at governing things.

01:01:26.040 Yeah.

01:01:26.300 Yeah.

01:01:26.660 And DeSantis has a very good record of being able to govern.

01:01:29.880 And so it's going to be fascinating to see how it plays out.

01:01:31.160 There's another...

01:01:31.700 Trump is going to make the argument, I was a good president, I did good things as president.

01:01:34.600 And DeSantis is going to say, that's true.

01:01:35.800 All of that's true.

01:01:36.360 It's time for a new approach.

01:01:37.600 I know how to govern a state.

01:01:38.880 I know how to fire everybody who needs to be fired.

01:01:40.760 I know how to run these things the way they need to be run.

01:01:42.780 I took a state that, again, 30,000 vote advantage in the last election, 1.4 million vote advantage

01:01:49.300 in the next election.

01:01:49.640 They're trying to build this narrative about DeSantis, too.

01:01:51.720 The thing, after Trump launched his attack on DeSantis, there were some Trump supporters

01:01:55.940 on Twitter that were trying to build this narrative of the problem with DeSantis is the establishment.

01:01:59.820 The establishment is behind him.

01:02:01.380 They had all these unsourced, anonymous sources saying that Paul Ryan and Kevin, you know,

01:02:06.660 all these establishment guys are getting behind DeSantis.

01:02:11.820 But the problem with that is, first of all, it's unsourced.

01:02:13.560 Who cares?

01:02:14.540 Second, it's like the other problem you run into with Trump is that he's endorsed all

01:02:17.560 these guys, and he also hired a lot of them when he was president.

01:02:20.600 But the more perceptive, I think, version of that attack is that, and it's a unique challenge

01:02:27.040 for Ron DeSantis right now, DeSantis' big plus and his chief sales pitch is he's the bigger,

01:02:33.940 better Trump.

01:02:34.440 He's Trump 2.0.

01:02:35.480 He's Trump with all the positives, none of the negatives, right?

01:02:37.740 Very competent, very bright.

01:02:39.280 Okay, that's the pitch for him.

01:02:40.540 But his role in the race right now is for the anti-Trump vote.

01:02:44.740 So there are a lot of people who hated Trump, who have hated Trump for a long time, who

01:02:48.840 like DeSantis, and that's not DeSantis' fault.

01:02:51.980 So it could be an advantage to him because he could unite the party in a unique way.

01:02:56.840 Or if Trump keeps going headlong against...

01:02:59.500 But a lot of the people who are the most ardent for DeSantis are actually former Trumpers.

01:03:02.760 Yeah, no.

01:03:03.680 I haven't really had the inside track on this story, so I can drop a little gossip.

01:03:08.020 But so basically what's happened is that, obviously, DeSantis barely won his race for

01:03:14.560 governor, the gubernatorial race for his time.

01:03:16.100 It was because Trump flew down and he saved him and really dragged him over the finish

01:03:20.040 line, which is a fact.

01:03:21.680 And because Trump dragged him over the finish line, when Trump has been, like, obviously

01:03:25.340 fighting, 2020 election stuff, and DeSantis has kindly really asserted himself as a governor,

01:03:29.740 by the way, the real reason...

01:03:31.320 DeSantis, if you want to give me a thank you for taking down Andrew Gillum, I'm the one that

01:03:33.880 broke that story about him.

01:03:36.120 Anytime you want to call DeSantis, say thank you.

01:03:37.820 That's two things I've done for him.

01:03:38.740 We've got to keep a little thing.

01:03:41.040 Ambassador to the Bahamas.

01:03:42.080 Yeah, right?

01:03:42.640 Exactly.

01:03:43.080 That's all I'm saying.

01:03:43.940 Ambassador to the Guam.

01:03:45.280 Right.

01:03:46.580 Unless it tips into the sea.

01:03:49.560 But anyways, I'm kidding.

01:03:51.300 But so it's really interesting because he basically feels that because he got him over

01:03:55.900 the finish line that it would be the right thing for DeSantis to do is to concede and allow

01:04:00.500 him to run again in 2024.

01:04:01.820 Now, we can talk politics, talk about what's proper.

01:04:03.820 We can talk about the royal family and what you should do and what you shouldn't do.

01:04:07.340 And Ron DeSantis has not come out and said, I'm not going to run because I appreciate

01:04:12.300 you and that I really kind of wouldn't be here without you.

01:04:15.120 And that in the background has really gotten Trump quite angry.

01:04:18.220 Now, what I also will say, here's what I'm an expert on also, is I think I do more on

01:04:22.720 the ground traveling than all of you guys in terms of speeches that I do every week

01:04:25.540 everywhere.

01:04:26.360 It is changing.

01:04:27.600 Ben is correct.

01:04:28.740 Trump supporters are starting to lean into DeSantis.

01:04:31.400 Yep.

01:04:31.960 And they're starting to say, and these are, by the way, some of his biggest donors as

01:04:36.220 well behind closed doors who have said to me that, you know, they are, you know, what

01:04:40.800 do you think about DeSantis?

01:04:41.400 What do you think about DeSantis?

01:04:42.280 There's something that they like better about DeSantis because he's less reactive.

01:04:45.640 He sometimes lets certain things go.

01:04:48.120 And it seems like a better oiled machine that's happening down in Florida.

01:04:51.940 And I will say just my personal experience, and I, I could, I don't think I could have

01:04:57.060 been more of a vocal Trump supporter, but I was deeply upset with him when we did that

01:05:01.280 interview and I went down there, Mar-a-Lago, I could not have given him a more fair interview.

01:05:05.000 Obviously, everybody knows my stance on vaccines.

01:05:06.740 I couldn't be more vocal about the fact that I don't vax my children.

01:05:09.120 I don't vax myself.

01:05:10.340 And I asked him a question about vaccines and he was like, they're the best things.

01:05:13.460 They're so amazing.

01:05:14.260 And then his own base got upset with that.

01:05:17.000 His own base got upset with that.

01:05:18.480 He said it.

01:05:19.160 And then he was mad at me because his base got mad at what he said.

01:05:22.760 And I thought to myself, that's a bit arrogant.

01:05:24.500 Okay.

01:05:24.800 You got your, I literally gave you the nicest interview ever.

01:05:28.980 You're mad at how, what you said, because this is when he kind of wasn't understanding

01:05:32.460 that his base was not pro vaccine.

01:05:34.000 Like there was like this, this random period where he wasn't quite understanding that

01:05:37.640 getting on stage and saying, and there's go, we're going to give more vaccines.

01:05:40.480 And I'm the one, cause he was so proud that he rushed the vaccines, but there was a disconnect

01:05:43.920 between like, we're not happy about that.

01:05:46.100 We don't, and then he sort of blamed it on me.

01:05:48.480 He got very upset with me for, I don't know what, like what not, like censoring what he

01:05:53.480 said on my show.

01:05:54.400 I just say that the, the, also the problem.

01:05:56.800 I thought it was a bit arrogant.

01:05:57.580 Yeah.

01:05:57.740 The problem with this idea that, well, DeSantis can run in 2028 and Trump will be the guy

01:06:02.080 in 2024.

01:06:02.580 Well, the assumption is that a Republican will be able to win after another Trump term,

01:06:09.160 which, which is like, that's a pretty big assumption that that would necessarily be the case.

01:06:11.920 Or another Trump loss.

01:06:12.720 I mean, there are a few, so there are a few, we talked about it on the upsides of DeSantis.

01:06:15.940 One of the downsides of Trump that nobody's mentioning, it doesn't have to, him as a

01:06:18.820 person at all.

01:06:19.860 He's only eligible for one more term and he's going to be 82 in 2020, 2028.

01:06:24.340 Okay.

01:06:24.680 Which means that he is very old.

01:06:26.700 And again, even if he ran and he won, you were foregoing the possibility of an eight year

01:06:30.720 span for a popular president.

01:06:32.740 Even if Trump were to be reelected in, in 2024, he's constitutionally barred from running for,

01:06:37.940 for a third term.

01:06:38.620 But the idea would be a 12 year Reagan Bush.

01:06:41.040 But he's a lame duck the second you.

01:06:43.160 Right.

01:06:43.880 That's correct.

01:06:44.680 And so he doesn't have the ability to actually.

01:06:46.220 But I will remind you guys that DeSantis.

01:06:47.060 The real thing, the real thing is in campaigning, no one has yet figured out how to defeat Trump's

01:06:52.740 vicious, his viciousness, his cruelty, his ability to brand people.

01:06:56.800 But he's good.

01:06:57.740 And DeSantis is not good on the campaign trail.

01:06:59.480 He's really good at it.

01:07:00.760 You know, and Biden only won because Trump kind of defeated himself, kind of positioned himself

01:07:05.240 wrongly and because of COVID.

01:07:06.700 And they changed all the rules.

01:07:07.580 Yeah, and they changed all the rules.

01:07:09.040 And they suppressed the laptop story.

01:07:11.420 I'm not saying DeSantis can't do it.

01:07:13.480 I'm just saying he's going to have to find a way.

01:07:15.140 I agree.

01:07:15.160 I don't think there's a skeleton key to debating Trump because Trump debates kind of like a

01:07:18.500 seventh grader, right?

01:07:19.280 He kind of hits you with an insult and then there's no comeback to it.

01:07:22.120 But it's fun.

01:07:23.000 Like, how do you respond to a guy saying that your wife's ugly?

01:07:25.400 What are you supposed to do with that?

01:07:26.480 A ran fall face.

01:07:26.940 What do you do exactly?

01:07:28.240 Right.

01:07:28.420 And so, but.

01:07:29.740 It really is genius.

01:07:30.520 You either punch him, in which case you lose, or you don't punch him, in which case you lose.

01:07:35.080 He is an entertainer, and that is part of it.

01:07:37.560 But I think, but here's the thing.

01:07:38.860 Him attacking, again, any of the other figures in 2016 who looked like Lilliputians next to

01:07:43.560 him because he was very famous and mostly because the media had decided that Trump was the enemy

01:07:47.220 in 2016.

01:07:48.280 And so the base was like, well, if he's the enemy, then he's my man.

01:07:50.460 And right now, the base perceives that the media hate DeSantis, if not as much as Trump, nearly.

01:07:55.820 I mean, they made DeSantis the target.

01:07:56.760 And Trump didn't have a record either.

01:07:58.460 What DeSantis can do in a primary is say, you handed the country over to Fauci.

01:08:04.620 Yes.

01:08:05.220 That's right.

01:08:05.840 And that's pretty much all he has to say.

01:08:08.860 Yeah, as president, you had a good three years.

01:08:10.880 Right.

01:08:11.000 Year four, you gave the country to Fauci.

01:08:13.140 Right.

01:08:13.460 By the way, a couple of disappointments tonight.

01:08:15.300 They're now calling the races, I'd said VA7, VA10, RI2, right, that's the Rhode Island

01:08:20.860 seat, that those look like they might swing Republican.

01:08:23.100 It looks like they're now calling all three of those for the Democrats.

01:08:26.360 So, you know, maybe, so we should start thinking, is it red tsunami or red wave, maybe red wave

01:08:31.360 to red tide, right?

01:08:32.100 We'll see how this all plays out.

01:08:33.180 Should I change my dress?

01:08:34.660 Yeah.

01:08:35.080 We're still going to take the house.

01:08:36.640 We took the house.

01:08:37.500 Refusia.

01:08:38.200 Yeah.

01:08:38.520 Okay.

01:08:39.120 Okay.

01:08:39.560 Just making sure.

01:08:40.180 There is also, you know, just one last point on the weirdness of the Trump-DeSantis thing.

01:08:44.600 And it's the first time that I have noticed that DeSantis, or that Trump, rather, took

01:08:50.180 the first shot at someone.

01:08:51.820 One of Trump's defining features is he doesn't strike first.

01:08:55.720 That's right.

01:08:55.920 He gets even a minor insult and then just clobbers the person on the head.

01:08:59.980 But Rosie O'Donnell hit him first.

01:09:01.720 You know, little Marco and, you know, low energy jab and all the rest hit him first and

01:09:07.140 then he hits him back.

01:09:08.240 DeSantis has not hit Trump.

01:09:09.800 By the way, that is, I think, it feels like campaigning out of fear from Trump.

01:09:14.060 It is.

01:09:14.500 No, it does.

01:09:14.760 It does.

01:09:14.840 It feels like what he's trying to do.

01:09:16.420 Because if you think about it strategically, what you figure is, it's still 2020.

01:09:20.060 Like, I may not be an expert on a lot of things, but I know what a calendar is.

01:09:22.640 And it's currently November of 2022.

01:09:24.580 And the election is not until November of 2024.

01:09:26.940 No one announces the day after the midterm or the week after the midterm.

01:09:30.540 The only reason you're doing that is because you're trying to preemptively crowd out the

01:09:33.220 field.

01:09:33.540 It's like if you're playing poker and you're playing Texas Hold'em and somebody gives you

01:09:37.800 your pocket, and the first thing you do is you go all in.

01:09:40.580 Right?

01:09:40.680 The only reason you're doing that is because you're trying to buy everybody out of the pot.

01:09:43.220 Right?

01:09:43.320 You're just trying to make sure that everybody dumps out because they don't want to take

01:09:45.560 the risk.

01:09:45.940 That's why he's doing that.

01:09:46.840 If he really felt like he was in solid position, what he would do is he'd wait for everybody

01:09:50.000 else to jump in, and then he'd just clean them.

01:09:51.620 And he'd just wait for six months, wait for other people to jump in, and then just move

01:09:54.420 them out.

01:09:54.600 All right, so let's make it fun.

01:09:55.480 Election is today.

01:09:56.420 DeSantis and Trump are on the ballot.

01:09:58.440 Ben, you first.

01:09:59.620 You only know what you know about them right now.

01:10:02.160 Who would I vote for in the primary?

01:10:03.220 Yeah.

01:10:03.280 Yeah.

01:10:03.540 I'd vote for DeSantis in the primary.

01:10:04.820 I'd vote for DeSantis, yeah.

01:10:06.780 Yeah, I would take DeSantis.

01:10:07.900 Yeah.

01:10:08.280 I don't endorse in primaries.

01:10:11.380 Boy, are you a chicken.

01:10:12.280 Yeah, coward.

01:10:12.700 I just won't throw Trump under the bus.

01:10:15.740 I just love the guy.

01:10:17.220 I know he did all these bad things, but he did so many good things.

01:10:20.580 He got us Roe v. Wade, and so I just think, I can't throw the guy under the bus.

01:10:24.800 It's not under the bus.

01:10:25.560 I mean, DeSantis is the only guy.

01:10:26.580 I asked you what button you were buying.

01:10:29.320 I'll eat that delicious jelly bean.

01:10:30.860 You can't talk to the ballots.

01:10:33.660 You've got to actually just make a decision, Trump or DeSantis.

01:10:36.420 I don't deal in hypothetical scandals, other than every day I'm going to.

01:10:39.920 Who do you think would be more effective in a general election?

01:10:42.320 Not who would you vote for.

01:10:43.300 I'm not convinced.

01:10:43.840 I'm not convinced.

01:10:44.580 Trump in a general election.

01:10:46.040 And that's what I was going to say.

01:10:46.860 You think Trump would be more effective in a general election?

01:10:48.440 He could be.

01:10:48.900 DeSantis is better in the actual office, I think.

01:10:51.240 And Trump, you're talking about campaigning and going out there.

01:10:54.600 Trump is going to be able to move people.

01:10:56.120 DeSantis, do not forget how bad he was next to Andrew Gillum.

01:10:58.800 Andrew Gillum was like selling salt to a slug.

01:11:00.860 I was like, man, I might vote for the socialist.

01:11:02.780 I mean, DeSantis was uncomfortable.

01:11:04.240 He wasn't likable.

01:11:05.300 I've also seen him in private circles as governor.

01:11:07.340 And he just kind of comes across as like frustrated and angry sometimes.

01:11:10.800 And does it play well on stage?

01:11:13.020 But on the general election, you're not factoring in.

01:11:14.780 This is one of the reasons why I would go with DeSantis in the primary if this was the option.

01:11:19.520 Is that if it's Trump, then like Ben, what Ben's been saying is that now the election is about Trump rather than being about Biden.

01:11:27.520 And I want 2024 to be about Biden and his failures.

01:11:31.660 Trump gets in and it's about him.

01:11:32.640 But it probably won't be about Biden, period, because Biden probably won't run again.

01:11:36.200 No, but the question is who's going to be about Biden.

01:11:38.920 Do you know a single person in the United States who doesn't already have a set opinion on Donald Trump?

01:11:42.340 No, of course not.

01:11:42.780 Who's the independent?

01:11:44.020 The independence does not exist with Donald Trump.

01:11:45.420 It just doesn't exist.

01:11:46.360 I mean, it's not even a voting possibility.

01:11:49.040 Every single person has their mind made up about Donald Trump right now.

01:11:50.880 But what about Biden?

01:11:52.180 Has Biden been so bad that now the people that really hated Trump are now missing him?

01:11:55.640 Because my sisters are now, you know, people that were over in Blue Land are suddenly like, I do not care.

01:12:00.720 Give us Trump back.

01:12:01.400 I'm seeing the Post and like, I don't care what you say about him.

01:12:03.420 I mean, that would be fascinating.

01:12:04.020 But the thing is, the push to get them over from Biden to DeSantis is less than the push necessary to get them over from Biden to Trump.

01:12:10.580 Because there's a built-in sort of hatred of Trump.

01:12:12.640 Watch those gas prices.

01:12:13.800 I mean, I think either one of them would win, especially if they're running against Biden.

01:12:17.260 But I like DeSantis' chances a little bit more.

01:12:19.240 I think that the chances right now of Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton being president are almost equal.

01:12:27.260 Like, Donald Trump lost the election to Joe Biden.

01:12:33.300 We can talk about why.

01:12:34.480 We can talk about the vote, the rigging of the election.

01:12:36.800 We can talk about the suppression of the Hunter's laptop story.

01:12:39.700 But there are the very peculiar circumstances around COVID, obviously.

01:12:43.800 But it did happen.

01:12:45.420 There was an election.

01:12:46.340 Donald Trump was the loser of the election.

01:12:47.880 And to say, well, we want that rematch, I think is bad.

01:12:54.840 To say that, I think the Democrats will say, well, let's rematch with Hillary.

01:12:59.900 I would love that.

01:13:00.980 And she has an actual chance of being elected president because those 100,000 people up in the Rust Belt who didn't vote last time because they thought that she was going to win, that's not going to happen now.

01:13:11.000 Trump is the most polarizing political figure in my lifetime in public life.

01:13:15.640 That is not to say that he can't win.

01:13:16.820 He won last time.

01:13:18.440 He won in 2016.

01:13:19.240 He can win.

01:13:20.780 But he can also lose.

01:13:22.580 We know that he can lose an election.

01:13:24.360 We know that he can lose an election against Joe Biden.

01:13:26.740 I think that Donald Trump should be disqualified from being the Republican nominee because of the way that he deliberately caused the Republican Party to lose the runoffs in Georgia.

01:13:37.900 He campaigned at the end.

01:13:39.120 He campaigned for them at the end.

01:13:40.060 He spent a month saying, do not vote.

01:13:42.260 I'm just going to keep throwing.

01:13:42.780 Do not vote.

01:13:44.320 The idea that you would have sent someone to be the head of your party who cost you, not cost you because of incompetence, cost you by deliberately telling people not to vote for the Republicans in the Senate is unconscionable to me.

01:13:56.160 But he is not disqualified.

01:13:57.660 Yeah.

01:13:57.740 So, I think he should be disqualified.

01:14:00.960 He's not disqualified.

01:14:02.100 So, when people say, you would vote for Donald Trump, yes.

01:14:05.360 Ron or DeSantis?

01:14:07.360 In the primary, I would support DeSantis because DeSantis did not deliberately give away the state of Georgia.

01:14:12.520 But if Donald Trump is the nominee, will I vote for him to be president?

01:14:16.580 Yes.

01:14:16.980 I can both believe that Donald Trump should be disqualified and also acknowledge the reality that he is not disqualified.

01:14:23.540 And because he's not disqualified, he may ascend again to be the nominee.

01:14:26.440 And if he's the nominee running against these Democrats, it's not going to be very hard to go into the booth and pull the lever for him.

01:14:32.000 I disagree that he's more likely to win the general.

01:14:33.920 First of all, the idea of him running against Biden is almost unimaginable.

01:14:37.580 The guy can barely talk anymore.

01:14:39.800 He can't.

01:14:40.460 Biden's not going to run again.

01:14:41.560 Biden's not going to run again.

01:14:42.620 So, we don't know who he's going to be running against, which, of course, makes all the difference.

01:14:45.760 But I think DeSantis is much more likely to win the general.

01:14:48.260 He's somebody that you can recognize as a politician.

01:14:51.380 Being a politician is a profession.

01:14:53.200 It is something that people who do it do it better than other people who are not professional politicians.

01:14:56.820 He's very good at it and very effective.

01:14:58.280 And I think Trump, you know, he won the first time by a sliver by creating a, you know, a collection of states that people didn't see coming.

01:15:08.100 And Hillary very much didn't see coming.

01:15:10.180 I mean, he hasn't been, he wasn't able to repeat it in 2020.

01:15:14.120 And I don't think he'll be able to.

01:15:15.180 But the argument, like, yes, I'm not disagreeing.

01:15:17.980 I know it sounds like I'm sort of down on DeSantis here.

01:15:21.000 I'm not.

01:15:21.460 The guy is just a star and he's doing a great job.

01:15:24.160 But so much of DeSantis comes out of Trump, not just the election victory, some of the mannerisms and some of the vision.

01:15:31.960 And so when people say, well, DeSantis is just a sort of new and improved version, sure, that might be the case in a normal year.

01:15:38.760 But in a normal year, you don't have a one-term president who's running again.

01:15:41.820 And so there is this question of, one, he's way up in the polls for now, though that obviously could change.

01:15:48.060 And I am somewhat persuaded by our friend Alan Estrin's argument that this is the Trump show, that we all turned on the rally last night.

01:16:00.560 He's the real thing.

01:16:01.040 Because there was a rumor that he might announce that it doesn't matter if you wanted him to announce last night, if you didn't want him to announce last night.

01:16:08.240 In fact, it's, I think Alan's exact words in a text thread with Michael and I were something along the lines of, it doesn't matter.

01:16:15.700 You need to pee, but the commercial break is almost over, and the master storyteller is almost back on the screen, and you will not get up out of your chair.

01:16:23.200 It is Trump.

01:16:24.580 So here's the thing.

01:16:25.240 It's Trump's world.

01:16:26.080 I don't know that DeSantis can defeat Trump.

01:16:27.960 I think exhaustion can defeat Trump.

01:16:29.700 Meaning I think that there are a lot of Republicans, I think a lot of the support that you're talking about, people moving from Trump to DeSantis,

01:16:33.920 it's not because they're looking at DeSantis and they're like, this guy's the greatest politician in the history of humanity.

01:16:37.540 He is really good at what he does, but you're right.

01:16:39.620 As a retail politician, he's not unbelievable at retail politics by any stretch of the imagination.

01:16:43.960 I think there's a certain level of exhaustion that has set in with people, and you see it in the reaction to the way that he has gone after DeSantis,

01:16:50.160 which is like, God, just, can you, like, some discipline, like, just a little bit, can you, like, at some point, can you just stop?

01:16:55.720 Just stop.

01:16:56.140 Just stop what you're doing.

01:16:56.980 Please put the party first in an election that you're not even in.

01:17:00.280 Right, exactly.

01:17:00.760 Sometimes I wonder who is advising him, you know, because I do think that he would have definitely benefited from a period of silence after everything,

01:17:06.940 and then I started seeing traces, because I was, you know, when I sat down with him and I was trying to get something out of him of, like, what is your vision?

01:17:13.820 Like, COVID's happened.

01:17:14.740 He was just so obsessed with the election in the same way that Hillary was obsessed with the election, and I thought, okay, I understand this happened.

01:17:21.520 I'm on your side.

01:17:22.420 I'm furious about the election.

01:17:23.680 We're all furious about the election, but people's children are being masked in schools, and I now need you to be here in this year.

01:17:29.780 That's the thing.

01:17:30.500 Right, that's the big one.

01:17:31.080 And I didn't know what his vision was for the future.

01:17:34.100 I knew what his vision was for in 2020 and why he's angry about 2020, and he's going to have to be able to pivot and maneuver that.

01:17:40.720 And this comes from someone who, I mean, I could not have been a bigger Trump fan.

01:17:44.500 Of course, yeah.

01:17:44.900 I still love Trump.

01:17:46.580 I think he's amazing.

01:17:47.420 I agree with you that he's electric.

01:17:48.560 DeSantis is just not going to be able to create that electricity against him.

01:17:50.540 Virtually no one can come back from losing a general election in this country.

01:17:56.200 It does psychic damage to you.

01:17:57.720 It is different than losing in a primary, right?

01:18:00.880 When you are in the actual show and you lose, you become Man Pig Bear or whatever.

01:18:06.220 I mean, Mitt Romney is half of the man that he was before 2012.

01:18:11.760 Hillary.

01:18:12.260 But Grover, Kislin, baby.

01:18:13.480 Something else that's happening with Trump.

01:18:15.060 She still talks about it.

01:18:15.780 The appeal of Trump in 2016 was he's taking the bullet so that you don't have to.

01:18:20.720 Yeah.

01:18:21.080 Right?

01:18:21.360 They loved him until five seconds ago, and now he's running, and they hate his guts.

01:18:24.020 And the reason they hate his guts is not really because they hate his guts.

01:18:25.860 It's because they hate you.

01:18:26.920 They despise you, and he's standing out front, and he's taking the arrow for you.

01:18:30.260 And in his presidency, that was the impression that you got.

01:18:32.700 It's like they keep aiming at you, but they keep hitting him.

01:18:34.920 He's taking the bullet for you.

01:18:35.760 And then after 2020 and his obsession with the election, it became, now I need all of you guys to take the bullet for me.

01:18:41.400 You guys, I want you to talk nonstop, not about Joe Biden, not about inflation, not about Afghanistan,

01:18:45.000 not about transing the kids.

01:18:46.120 I want you to talk about the election.

01:18:47.980 He's calling up Blake Masters in the middle of an election cycle and being like,

01:18:50.820 but Blake, you're not doing enough to talk about the election of 2020.

01:18:53.840 It's like, well, but that's not Blake Masters' job right now.

01:18:56.620 His job is to win a Senate seat, and it's your job to help him win the Senate.

01:18:59.120 That is a really great insight, Ben, that he was taking the bullet for us,

01:19:03.800 and then he asked us to take the bullet for him.

01:19:05.120 But we're being joined right now by Rich Barrett, the People's Pundit.

01:19:09.740 We're really glad to have him here.

01:19:11.160 And he's tracking some of these elections down at the precinct level in a way that we haven't been tonight,

01:19:16.800 and I think people are probably very interested.

01:19:19.020 Rich, thanks for joining us.

01:19:20.780 Yeah, thanks for having me.

01:19:21.660 It's good to be here.

01:19:23.140 Tell us what's happening on the ground.

01:19:25.740 You know, it's a little bit odd, actually.

01:19:28.280 You know, it's not exactly what you'd expect looking at some of the national exit polls,

01:19:33.140 but, you know, they shift and they change over time.

01:19:35.220 It does look like to me that Republicans are underperforming expectations in some of the Sunbelt areas

01:19:41.260 while doing fantastically well in areas that people thought probably were a little out of reach,

01:19:46.940 in some areas in Virginia, some areas in the Northeast.

01:19:51.040 So it is still early, and we'll see how it shakes out.

01:19:53.740 But I'd be really surprised if Republicans underperformed in Georgia or North Carolina

01:19:58.980 and overperformed in Nevada.

01:20:00.920 So as a pollster, that's a state that terrifies me.

01:20:05.260 It's the one and only state where polls typically overstate Republican support.

01:20:10.800 And we, you know, we may have understated it, but we'll just have to see.

01:20:15.140 Votes count more than polls.

01:20:18.720 What races are you watching right now that you think are going to be the indicators for the evening?

01:20:23.980 Right now I'm looking at, as far as the Senate, I'm looking at North Carolina and Georgia.

01:20:28.460 I mean, of course, Pennsylvania as well.

01:20:30.920 And I will be looking at Arizona and Nevada when we get there.

01:20:34.160 But I'll tell you, in Georgia, Walker is running further behind Kemp than polls expected.

01:20:40.800 And it's really, much of it is coming from the Atlanta metro area and in the counties outside of Savannah.

01:20:46.100 So if that doesn't pick up, which it could, you know, there could be, it's going to tighten,

01:20:51.980 but there could be a little bit of a surprise there.

01:20:53.560 And then in North Carolina, Ted Budd has a lead.

01:20:56.600 But going into this election, it did look like, and I pulled it myself a month and a half ago,

01:21:00.940 it did look like Ted Budd had a pretty strong advantage.

01:21:03.660 There are a lot of blue votes left out there.

01:21:05.620 Budd is leading.

01:21:06.560 He's got a couple of 10, you know, 32,000, it looks like right now.

01:21:11.420 But, you know, and that's when you're a Republican in a midterm election in a state like North

01:21:16.480 Carolina, you want to have a widened out, at least at this point.

01:21:20.220 And in areas like Wake County, it doesn't look like, and that's in North Carolina, you

01:21:25.260 have to get in the 30s in Wake County.

01:21:27.020 When that election day vote comes in, it will, it will, you know, bring him up.

01:21:31.860 But, you know, it's just a little bit funny to me to see, you know, tighter than expected

01:21:36.260 in North Carolina, but Republicans looking like they're going to take at least two out

01:21:40.240 of three of the races that we were looking at in Virginia, which is two, seven, and 10.

01:21:45.800 Hong Kao was giving it one heck of a run, but Wexton has pulled ahead and there's a blue

01:21:51.560 vote out that remains.

01:21:53.360 It's, it's not over, but, you know, the trajectory has changed.

01:21:57.200 Rich, thank you.

01:21:58.020 We're going to be checking back in with you a little bit later in the evening.

01:22:00.460 Appreciate your insights.

01:22:02.440 Hey, thanks for having me.

01:22:03.220 All the best.

01:22:04.140 Thank you.

01:22:04.980 And it's been a little bit since we showed off.

01:22:06.920 So, and mostly because I think some of us could probably use a bathroom break.

01:22:10.180 I want to introduce the world to a little bit more great content that you can expect

01:22:14.380 from the Daily Wire Plus.

01:22:17.500 Why in the world did I start working with the Daily Wire?

01:22:21.140 I joined forces with the platform that affords me the opportunity to say whatever I want and

01:22:26.540 to put out whatever content I wish to make with no caveats, stipulations,

01:22:31.400 permissions, or finger wagging.

01:22:33.760 We could not be more pumped up and ecstatic about having Jordan Peterson at Daily Wire Plus.

01:22:40.200 Working with them has allowed me to embark on a series of documentaries and specials.

01:22:45.120 This conservative media company is allowing all of my ideas to flourish or wither on the vine

01:22:51.800 in accordance with their merit.

01:22:55.480 Marriage is one of those all-in games.

01:22:59.240 One of the unacceptable ideas with gender fluidity is that identity is subjectively defined

01:23:04.820 because that's preposterous.

01:23:07.180 I thought of the Museum of the Bible as kind of a backwards fundamentalist enterprise

01:23:11.680 and that turned out to be unbelievably wrong.

01:23:15.700 And you have to say to yourself, I will do good nonetheless.

01:23:21.900 Join the real counterculture.

01:23:23.680 To be bound together in marriage is a very difficult thing.

01:23:35.380 There are many forces that will pull you apart.

01:23:39.040 I'm going to tell you the truth.

01:23:42.520 It can be completely anarchic.

01:23:44.400 Neither of you ever know what the hell is going on.

01:23:46.620 And so now you're bored by your partner.

01:23:48.360 That's you.

01:23:49.740 That's you.

01:23:50.600 You've got to put some effort into it.

01:23:52.000 This isn't nothing.

01:23:53.740 When you fall in love with someone, you see that infinite wellspring of mystery.

01:23:58.060 It's granted to you as a gift.

01:23:59.700 You'll find that that one person you're with is way more interesting than any plethora of

01:24:04.700 short-term, shallow relationships that you could possibly imagine.

01:24:08.360 How can we set this up that's better than either of us initially envisioned?

01:24:15.860 I was a therapist for a long time and I talked to a lot of people about their marriages.

01:24:19.520 I've been married 33 years as of two days ago and it's gone pretty damn well.

01:24:24.080 As a married couple, you're going to face together everything that life can throw at you.

01:24:30.480 You're hard-pressed to find anything better in life.

01:24:32.980 Coming out of our Backstage Live this June when we first announced that Dr. Peterson was going to be joining Daily Wire Plus,

01:24:52.120 one of the big questions that everyone had is how much content will there be?

01:24:55.720 And it's taken us a minute to create this really premium.

01:24:58.260 I mean, if you think back to when the company first started, you weren't there.

01:25:01.740 Back in the pool house, right, in Sherman Oaks, we basically shot everything either in front of black curtains or on a green screen.

01:25:10.860 Now we have Dr. Jordan Peterson doing content all over the world.

01:25:13.780 You look at the production value of this special on marriage, I think it's an incredibly special piece of content.

01:25:19.820 By the end of this year, we will have created more premium Daily Wire Plus original content that you can't find anywhere else with Dr. Peterson

01:25:29.300 than we actually have with all of our talent combined in the history of the company.

01:25:33.580 It's been a monumental effort over these last several months to create this amazing new catalog of content.

01:25:40.300 And if you'll remember the best conversation we had at Backstage Live, and I think the best conversation we've ever had as a company was on this very topic of marriage,

01:25:47.520 I think it's something that's so incredibly important to our audience.

01:25:50.960 And on nights like tonight where we spend a lot of our time, obviously, and appropriately on politics,

01:25:56.900 I think it's just important not to lose sight of the fact that the work that we're doing at Daily Wire Plus is not all political.

01:26:03.680 Politics is an important function of a citizen in a democracy.

01:26:07.800 It's an important thing that we do to try to safeguard our culture.

01:26:12.680 But culture is not politics.

01:26:14.940 Culture is not defined by politics.

01:26:17.100 If anything, politics is defined by culture.

01:26:19.280 Some of our fans were talking this afternoon about the rise of ideas like transgenderism,

01:26:25.660 the rise of ideas like gay marriage.

01:26:28.780 And they were saying, you know, we're destroying our culture with these things.

01:26:33.240 And I don't actually think that that's the accurate point of view.

01:26:36.180 I think we are destroying our culture.

01:26:39.360 And these things are growing in some ways out of that destruction, the way that algae grows on a dirty aquarium.

01:26:45.440 The algae doesn't make the aquarium dirty.

01:26:47.460 The algae is a reaction to how dirty the aquarium is.

01:26:50.740 You know, there have been, for example, people with gender dysphoria engaging in cross-dressing or trying to,

01:26:58.020 what's the term they used to use, pass?

01:27:02.360 Yeah, yeah.

01:27:02.860 Trying to pass.

01:27:03.560 To pass as women.

01:27:04.340 Yeah.

01:27:04.900 For hundreds of years.

01:27:06.600 I mean, that's always forever.

01:27:07.820 Forever.

01:27:09.420 We, as a culture, we generally were very tolerant of it.

01:27:12.320 We generally didn't take.

01:27:13.880 It was against the law in a lot of places, including San Francisco.

01:27:17.120 It was against the law.

01:27:17.720 But it was one of those things that, for the most part, people ignored.

01:27:20.060 Mm-hmm.

01:27:20.240 And if anything, people had pity for.

01:27:22.280 They sort of understood that there are going to be certain people who are broken.

01:27:25.600 In a fallen world, there are going to be a certain number of broken people.

01:27:29.000 And a healthy society should be able to absorb those broken people for the most part.

01:27:33.740 What we're seeing now is all of those things that a healthy society can absorb cannot be absorbed by an unhealthy society.

01:27:41.880 And those things start to grow sort of on the carcass of what your culture used to be.

01:27:45.860 You don't fix your culture through politics, and you don't fix your culture even through fighting the symptoms within the culture.

01:27:52.440 You have to fight your culture.

01:27:53.920 You have to save your culture at the level of culture.

01:27:57.080 That's right.

01:27:58.420 I think that's...

01:27:58.880 Finging the law, though, is not a terrible thing.

01:28:00.280 I mean, the law is also a teacher, you know.

01:28:02.120 So I agree with you.

01:28:02.820 Of course, you know, there are these cultural things that bubble up, and that affects our law.

01:28:07.120 But the law also affects the way that people behave, and it creates different...

01:28:10.740 You know, we always talk about government incentives.

01:28:12.860 Well, people react to incentives.

01:28:14.440 And so, obviously, that's true.

01:28:16.060 But if the government comes in and says, you know, parents, you need to trans your kids, or else we're going to take them away from you,

01:28:21.200 that is going to create more transgender people.

01:28:23.540 For sure, but I don't think it's an accurate look at what's happened here.

01:28:26.260 What's fundamentally happened isn't that the government said, trans your kids, or we're going to take them away.

01:28:30.760 What happened is trans started to explode in the culture, and then the government races, in particular, leftists in the government's race,

01:28:38.300 to catch up and try to sort of codify...

01:28:40.440 Encourage them.

01:28:40.960 Encourage them.

01:28:41.380 I don't think that that's quite right either, though.

01:28:43.420 I think the thing is, when you talk about the law this way, you have to remember, you're talking about a free country.

01:28:49.200 If the law becomes oppressive, then the law is not doing its job in a free country.

01:28:53.280 We want to remain free.

01:28:54.340 The first thing we want to do...

01:28:55.460 Am I talking about a free country?

01:28:56.980 Well, the first thing we want is to remain a free country.

01:28:59.820 So you do have to change cultural matters by cultural means in order to remain free.

01:29:05.380 You cannot say to people, suddenly, you know, we're going to take your children away if you don't trans them, which is what the woman...

01:29:11.780 But when I raise the point of laws against transvestitism, we had laws against that forever.

01:29:16.720 I mean, in San Francisco and in lots of places.

01:29:18.920 But Jeremy's point is right.

01:29:19.660 We didn't really enforce a lot of these things, and they just gave the government a power that it shouldn't have had.

01:29:24.860 J. Edgar Hoover was a cross-dresser, just pointing that out.

01:29:27.160 That's right, that's right.

01:29:27.960 Might be relevant.

01:29:28.420 The government should not have the power to choose, oh, I'm not going to go after this person, J. Edgar Hoover, who's cross-dressing, but I am going to go after you because I don't like you.

01:29:37.060 They should not have that power.

01:29:37.840 Arbitrary expressions of the government.

01:29:40.020 And the thing is, but the big thing is, the big thing is, you can't have tolerance without a norm.

01:29:45.140 If you do not have, you can't tolerate people if you're not, you haven't got a solid norm from which you are saying, yes, you're not part of the norm, but we tolerate.

01:29:53.680 And that's the Nietzschean argument that the left has been making, that there should be no norm.

01:29:58.760 And I think politics is more dynamic than, I think, either of the views that have been expressed.

01:30:03.040 It's not like culture predates the law, or the law predates culture.

01:30:06.360 It's culture predates the law, which predates the culture.

01:30:07.620 Of course.

01:30:07.820 And so the first thing that has to be done in many of these cases is to stop the law in its tracks and then to start rolling back the law.

01:30:16.580 And that's pushing in almost Sisyphean ways.

01:30:20.040 The boulder back up the hill, and that's what you're starting to see from Republicans on the transing of the kids, right?

01:30:24.940 Because it's actually not in the states where they are forcibly trying to take the kids away from parents that you're starting to see sort of this push.

01:30:32.780 It's starting with, if you stop it early, you can roll it back, right?

01:30:36.420 Tennessee is not a place where, culturally speaking, you're going to be able to pass a law in the state legislature like you would in California, where it's like, well, if you're unwilling to trans your kids, we're taking your kids.

01:30:44.940 Like, that crap ain't going to fly in Tennessee.

01:30:46.480 But Virginia, North Carolina.

01:30:47.760 And yet, at Vanderbilt, they were performing these euphemistically gender-affirming surgeries.

01:30:53.800 That's what I'm saying.

01:30:54.220 You have to stop the bleeding edge at the bleeding edge.

01:30:56.680 It's a double-pronged approach, right?

01:30:59.040 Right.

01:30:59.160 Which is why, in Tennessee, by the way, tomorrow, they're going to officially file the bill which will ban the transing of kids.

01:31:06.320 Good for you on that one.

01:31:07.180 And also, it will give victims the chance to sue and be compensated.

01:31:13.380 And so that's going to be filed tomorrow.

01:31:15.260 And it's kind of, you can't neglect one or the other.

01:31:18.200 You have to also.

01:31:18.620 But we've seen how quickly with the Defense of Marriage Act, for instance, how quickly things can change if the culture is shifting and if people who are leaders and have an effect on the culture shift the minds of people.

01:31:29.520 You know, the law, I mean, just like the Constitution isn't going to defend us if we don't believe in the Constitution.

01:31:35.340 And that's the only point.

01:31:36.780 But my point on it is that we are saying now the law is very oppressive and it used to be very free.

01:31:41.840 But on all of these issues, for all of American history until the 1960s.

01:31:45.540 It wasn't oppressive because the culture supported the law.

01:31:47.780 It becomes oppressive when the law is acting against the culture.

01:31:50.860 But in many cases, the law weakened before these things gained popularity.

01:31:54.140 So, you know, the Supreme Court comes down and says, you can't have the Bible in schools.

01:31:58.120 You can't have prayer in schools.

01:31:59.520 We're going to basically endorse the sexual revolution from the level of the government.

01:32:04.280 That was before any of those things were mainstream.

01:32:06.480 And then what happens?

01:32:07.540 You get the age of Aquarius in the 60s after that.

01:32:09.540 I'm not sure you're right about this.

01:32:10.840 I think that when you study the Supreme Court more closely, they actually follow the culture.

01:32:15.560 That's also true.

01:32:16.820 That's also true.

01:32:17.260 No, no, no.

01:32:17.480 I mean, well, to Ben's point, though, there is a...

01:32:19.220 What I would say is they follow what they believe to be the vanguard of the country.

01:32:22.540 You saw them do this in Obergefell, right?

01:32:24.080 So in Obergefell, there was not a clear majority of the country that was ready to legalize the same there.

01:32:28.280 That is not right.

01:32:30.160 Most of the states in the country had not legalized, or at least mandated from the state,

01:32:33.800 that the state is going to involve itself in same-sex marriage.

01:32:36.700 What happened is that the court said there's a trend, and the trend is occurring,

01:32:39.340 and now we're going to force this trend to become the dominant force in American life.

01:32:43.080 Same thing with abortion.

01:32:43.700 Same thing with abortion.

01:32:44.520 Same thing with Bibles in schools.

01:32:45.420 Those are the two bad examples of...

01:32:48.640 And the left is very good at forcing a change, and then five seconds later convincing everyone

01:32:54.040 that it's to take it for granted, that it could never be any other way.

01:32:58.560 Which, by the way...

01:32:59.080 It's been this way for five seconds, but it could never be any way but this.

01:33:03.140 We've talked about what the United States Senate should do.

01:33:05.580 You want to talk about a place where Republicans are completely cowardly?

01:33:08.500 It is on same-sex marriage.

01:33:10.060 You have Republicans right now who are going to vote in the Senate to enshrine same-sex marriage

01:33:13.240 as part of the law.

01:33:13.940 Like Dr. Oz.

01:33:14.500 That's an absurdity.

01:33:15.280 Yeah.

01:33:15.620 That's an absurdity.

01:33:16.440 On all these cultural issues, I think they're spineless.

01:33:19.540 I don't understand why they don't stand for what they stand for.

01:33:22.600 I actually think that, in terms of human history, actually, biology underpins everything.

01:33:28.260 Biology determines the culture, and then culture determined the law.

01:33:31.640 And then law saw an opportunity and realized that we could have more law if we impacted the culture.

01:33:36.180 And so now that's what you get when you have these two things that are fighting.

01:33:38.980 Oh, wait a minute.

01:33:39.720 Culture's actually really powerful.

01:33:40.780 And maybe more still if you impact biology.

01:33:42.500 Yeah.

01:33:43.860 No, but true.

01:33:44.980 It's like it started here, and then everyone saw an opportunity, and now we're kind of going to the beginning

01:33:49.260 where they're like, yeah, that's exactly what's happening.

01:33:51.620 I do think, again, this changing of the guard, which has been going on now for 20 years

01:33:56.620 and is going to go on for another 15 at least, is part of all this.

01:34:00.440 Because when you have a big change like this, it suddenly seems like everything is possible.

01:34:04.620 You go through this, you guys are too young to have gone through a midlife period.

01:34:07.800 But when you go through a midlife period, you suddenly think, like, maybe I should be a fighter pilot.

01:34:11.000 And I think we're going through a period like that where people are saying, maybe a man can become a woman.

01:34:15.320 And, like, that's just going to go away because it's just not true.

01:34:18.060 And ultimately, I think that this moment, which I think is a moment of madness, I think we're seeing the madness of crowds on the sexual issue.

01:34:25.180 I think that's going to pass away, but it doesn't mean it's going to pass away back into the 50s.

01:34:29.320 Do you think transgenderism just passes away?

01:34:30.940 I think the idea of...

01:34:31.760 Yeah, it has to.

01:34:32.320 Biology always wins.

01:34:33.320 Yes, I think the idea of sweeping transgenderism will pass away, which Jeremy said before is true.

01:34:39.080 I think that the transing of kids is going away.

01:34:41.800 Yeah.

01:34:42.060 We're beating that.

01:34:43.000 But transgenderism as a concept, I think we've got probably generations before we defeat them.

01:34:48.640 But on that point, the thing about it, you will never have a society where there isn't transgenderism.

01:34:53.980 That's right.

01:34:54.120 We've never had a society where there wasn't transgenderism.

01:34:56.260 Well, it exists as in there are people who are confused by their gender, but the idea, like...

01:34:59.680 The concept.

01:35:00.480 That we are validating it as a concept, I think we've got...

01:35:03.600 I think it will go away.

01:35:04.700 I do.

01:35:05.020 I think because the kids that are doing the surgeries now are going to grow up and become the adults, and then they're going to be better.

01:35:09.160 Well, but the problem is, right now, most conservatives aren't even making...

01:35:14.820 Oh.

01:35:16.140 That was...

01:35:16.680 Somebody has hurt.

01:35:17.360 That's a red wave.

01:35:17.920 It's Harmeet Dillon!

01:35:19.520 Yeah, my secret.

01:35:22.240 They just brought the ballots in, actually, for America.

01:35:25.420 You know, but this actually...

01:35:27.300 What we're talking about here on transgenderism and self-identity, I think it relates at a much deeper level to what we're talking about.

01:35:33.440 And we bring up Owen Barfield on every single episode of this show, and it relates here.

01:35:36.980 Because we say biology is bedrock, I think there's something even more bedrock, which is representations, how we view ourselves.

01:35:42.780 And so when we have this view, you know, post-1960s of, we're this free country, do whatever you want.

01:35:48.600 I think that's not historically what America was.

01:35:50.800 I think there were many more stringent social laws for most of American history than we have today.

01:35:56.260 And we can call them oppressive, but the people didn't really view them as oppressive.

01:35:59.680 And so you think of something like now we call ourselves a liberal democracy, where it's our sacred democracy.

01:36:04.160 You always hear about it all the time.

01:36:05.100 That phrase barely appeared in English literature until the 1940s or 50s.

01:36:10.140 That's not how America conceived of itself.

01:36:11.640 It's mostly Lionel Trilling kind of stuff.

01:36:13.020 It's Lionel Trilling stuff.

01:36:14.100 And so, Drew, when you say there is a changing of the guard here and the party is changing, the vision of the country is changing,

01:36:19.820 that is the most perceptive comment of the whole midterm as far as I'm concerned, which is, I go back to Cardinal Manning a lot.

01:36:26.460 He says there is a day that will come that will change the confident judgment, that will reverse the confident judgments of men.

01:36:32.080 And that's what's happening now, not just self-identity on gender, self-identity as a nation.

01:36:37.360 Yeah, no, I agree with you.

01:36:38.180 I think we're going through a midlife crisis.

01:36:40.000 You know, all this stuff about whatever you were talking about makes me think about hallow.

01:36:47.860 As fun as it is now.

01:36:48.920 It does.

01:36:49.100 Yeah, it does.

01:36:49.800 Yeah, we need faith.

01:36:51.200 Oh, yeah.

01:36:51.800 It does.

01:36:52.140 There's a good trend.

01:36:52.780 We need God.

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01:36:59.740 Don't add me.

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01:38:16.960 Some sad news.

01:38:21.000 Beto O'Rourke has lost.

01:38:23.200 No, I know.

01:38:24.240 I didn't want to be the best.

01:38:25.160 You said news.

01:38:27.300 Ben, breathe like a baby.

01:38:28.520 Breathe like a baby.

01:38:32.600 So next question, obviously.

01:38:33.640 You're taking away all my material.

01:38:34.680 How am I supposed to do a show around here?

01:38:36.420 Don't worry.

01:38:37.020 This just means he's going to run for president.

01:38:38.660 No, but he already ran for president.

01:38:40.160 He likes to try something different.

01:38:41.160 He did Senate, and then he did president, and now he did governor.

01:38:43.480 EU.

01:38:43.860 EU.

01:38:44.080 UN Secretary General.

01:38:45.320 Pope?

01:38:45.760 Could he be Pope?

01:38:46.880 Pope?

01:38:47.480 He could actually be Pope.

01:38:48.640 Is he Popovulae these days, maybe?

01:38:50.180 Would he be worse than Francis or better than Francis?

01:38:51.980 You know, what is he?

01:38:53.240 Better.

01:38:53.480 That's a toss-up.

01:38:55.180 I do.

01:38:56.820 Have we talked on that?

01:38:57.660 We've talked off stage.

01:38:58.500 I don't know if we've talked on the show.

01:39:00.220 What happens if Francis dies before Benedict?

01:39:02.700 Sure would be weird, wouldn't it?

01:39:05.420 What would it mean?

01:39:06.620 Sure would be weird.

01:39:07.720 Why are you saying that?

01:39:08.620 Yeah, the way you said that was very...

01:39:10.400 I'm saying it in a weird way.

01:39:11.480 It's kind of weird because some people think that you can't resign the papacy, you know?

01:39:15.420 And it's kind of weird.

01:39:16.040 And then the Pope, Benedict, resigned for health reasons like 10 years ago almost.

01:39:21.260 And he just kept on living.

01:39:22.080 Yeah.

01:39:22.220 Kept on living and writing some things that look like encyclicals.

01:39:25.060 So anyway, it's just really weird.

01:39:26.200 And dressing exactly like he's the Pope?

01:39:27.760 Yeah, it's just weird is, I guess, what I'm saying.

01:39:29.880 What?

01:39:30.680 Come on.

01:39:31.760 Explain it.

01:39:32.940 I wouldn't even endorse Trump or DeSantis.

01:39:35.160 I'm just saying things are weird, man.

01:39:36.620 I don't know.

01:39:37.240 We live in interesting times.

01:39:39.060 So wait.

01:39:39.920 First of all, this is...

01:39:41.820 Explain it.

01:39:42.140 An outsider.

01:39:43.780 Start from the very beginning.

01:39:45.340 I'll finish before this election special is over.

01:39:47.500 As an outsider, it seems to me that Benedict resigned for no reason and then the Antichrist

01:39:51.240 took over.

01:39:51.780 Now, is that a fairly accurate...

01:39:53.320 You know, to put it more charitably, some have suggested an anti-Pope.

01:39:56.600 But I don't know.

01:39:57.480 I mean, it's more complicated than all that.

01:39:59.500 But it is kind of weird.

01:40:01.560 You know, it's only happened at most one other time that a Pope has resigned.

01:40:05.020 Well, you always qualify that.

01:40:06.400 Whenever you talk about it, you say it's only happened at most once.

01:40:09.820 Because I don't know that you can resign the Papacy.

01:40:11.320 So you don't know that it's ever happened, in other words.

01:40:12.960 Yeah.

01:40:13.500 Yeah.

01:40:13.980 It's just a very...

01:40:15.820 Wouldn't that sort of be like, if the divine line of kings is broken, that every Pope since

01:40:20.280 then has been not the Pope?

01:40:21.120 No.

01:40:21.420 No.

01:40:21.720 Not necessarily.

01:40:22.960 I mean, there are longstanding questions of this.

01:40:25.300 And, you know, when the Papacy moved to Avignon, there were anti-Popes in Rome and all sorts.

01:40:29.160 You know, the thing is messy.

01:40:30.100 Was there, like, an anti-Anti-Pope?

01:40:31.060 There was...

01:40:31.580 When you become an anti-Anti-Pope, are you just the Pope?

01:40:34.100 It's like anti-Trump, right?

01:40:35.120 Yeah.

01:40:35.620 Anti-Anti-Trump.

01:40:36.560 Like, is that how that works?

01:40:37.560 So, you know, but it is an open question.

01:40:41.200 And I'm actually not being all that coy in that truly my whole opinion on the thing is

01:40:45.980 it's just kind of weird.

01:40:48.760 And ultimately, you know, the thing when it comes to the Catholic Church, I believe, is

01:40:52.840 ultimately the Holy Spirit is guiding it and will never leave the Church.

01:40:55.760 When it comes to the American presidency, you know, I think we might have a little more power.

01:40:59.940 What I was going to say is if you resign the Papacy, you have an obligation to just die.

01:41:04.460 Soon.

01:41:05.300 Like, you can't hang around for that.

01:41:06.820 I don't know that one can resign, really, you know?

01:41:08.820 I mean, it's kind of odd.

01:41:09.900 The person I would most like to see elected Pope is our good friend Stephen Crowder.

01:41:13.140 He's joining us right now.

01:41:14.640 What?

01:41:15.220 What?

01:41:16.040 Listen, he'd be a great Pope.

01:41:17.520 He does everything that a Pope, as a Protestant, Stephen Crowder has all the qualities of a great Pope.

01:41:23.280 Is this an ad?

01:41:24.060 Yeah.

01:41:25.140 He's got a beard.

01:41:26.800 Yeah.

01:41:27.080 He's genuinely funny.

01:41:28.260 Yeah.

01:41:28.400 He wears silly hats.

01:41:29.940 And he's always packing heat.

01:41:32.100 I should be Pope, right?

01:41:33.920 What am I missing?

01:41:34.420 Anything that had to do with being a Pope, though, is my question.

01:41:36.900 Well, I said I'm a Protestant.

01:41:38.780 I don't really peddle in, like, all these, like, virtue and chastity.

01:41:42.680 Not for me.

01:41:43.560 Stephen Crowder from Louder with Crowder here with us.

01:41:46.460 And I think we're also here with him.

01:41:47.500 I think it's kind of a cross-stream thing.

01:41:48.720 I don't fully understand it.

01:41:49.980 I also don't know how long I can keep talking before they just put him on the freaking screen.

01:41:53.940 Hey, Stephen Crowder.

01:41:55.140 No, not mine.

01:41:56.000 And this is also important because Kemp, right, when we're talking about Kemp and Abrams,

01:41:59.960 they tried to accuse...

01:42:00.940 Remember, this is the...

01:42:01.820 If you go watch that film on HBO, we can say this.

01:42:04.160 Maybe we can even show some of it on Rumble.

01:42:05.820 Kill Chain on HBO.

01:42:07.180 This is a whole documentary about vote fraud with Stacey Abrams and with Kemp.

01:42:10.280 And guess what?

01:42:10.840 They showed how you could hack Dominion voting machines live in that film.

01:42:14.740 And they tried to suggest that Kemp did it.

01:42:16.200 And then said, by the way, no, we were totally wrong about that.

01:42:18.100 It's going to happen, yeah.

01:42:18.640 Daily Wire is ready to go.

01:42:19.240 Are they ready to go?

01:42:20.360 Are they ready to go?

01:42:21.400 Let's dig her in.

01:42:22.160 I don't want to get pissed off.

01:42:23.540 An amazing job right now.

01:42:25.140 Stephen Crowder, I just said that you should be the next pope.

01:42:29.000 Tell me why I'm wrong.

01:42:29.700 All right, Daily Wire, the whole troupe.

01:42:31.580 Are you there?

01:42:33.260 We are.

01:42:34.180 We are.

01:42:35.060 We were just talking about how you should be the next pope.

01:42:38.040 Why should I...

01:42:38.840 What?

01:42:39.100 Well, I couldn't pull off the red shoes.

01:42:40.900 The Prada is not flattering on everybody.

01:42:45.640 That's true.

01:42:46.680 Well, Noles and Walsh obviously are the resident Catholics.

01:42:49.480 What is it?

01:42:50.400 This is my understanding that not only is there someone who makes the shoes for the pope,

01:42:53.160 which I understand, and there is someone who makes some other shoes,

01:42:56.780 but there is someone who exclusively makes the red shoes.

01:43:01.020 Yeah, I mean, I don't have a pair, unfortunately.

01:43:03.560 I'm not sufficiently high up in the hierarchy.

01:43:06.800 But I don't know.

01:43:07.840 Someday, if you are in power, Stephen, I hope that I get a pair.

01:43:11.460 Well, I don't know.

01:43:12.100 If I'd be a pope with a nice pair of vans.

01:43:14.500 Yeah.

01:43:17.180 The American post.

01:43:18.760 Daily Wire, what are you guys...

01:43:20.180 Have you guys been following...

01:43:21.100 Obviously, I know you've been following the election.

01:43:22.420 What have you been covering here on the Arizona stuff?

01:43:26.460 Because I think you guys...

01:43:27.480 I have to be careful.

01:43:28.280 We're on Rumble here tonight.

01:43:29.260 We're not on YouTube for reasons.

01:43:30.700 You know what?

01:43:30.860 We had Carrie Lake on our street.

01:43:31.340 Well, I'd just like to say this, Stephen, just for YouTube, you know.

01:43:34.980 Obviously, there are never any questions about election integrity,

01:43:39.100 and I believe anything that the government tells me.

01:43:42.120 Amen.

01:43:42.700 Yes, absolutely.

01:43:43.320 Are we good?

01:43:44.220 We're good.

01:43:44.560 I'm going to cover it.

01:43:46.280 Jason Campbell is sitting at his laptop going,

01:43:48.520 I've almost got him.

01:43:50.040 I've almost got him.

01:43:51.740 No, I'm not going to come on and get you guys in trouble.

01:43:53.800 Believe me, I'm not going to say anything to get you guys in trouble.

01:43:55.220 We'll talk about it afterwards on Rumble.

01:43:57.500 Because the Arizona stuff is bizarre.

01:44:00.460 And we just watched on CNN.

01:44:01.460 They said, we fixed the problems.

01:44:03.100 And did you...

01:44:03.440 I don't know if you saw this on CNN.

01:44:04.880 Hey, Andrew.

01:44:05.440 Nice to see you, by the way.

01:44:06.200 And Ben and Candace.

01:44:07.840 Candace, you're the smallest from the depth of field

01:44:09.960 because I'm looking at a camera and you're also...

01:44:11.680 Oh, hi, Candace.

01:44:12.400 Looking lovely.

01:44:13.120 You make all these guys look like shit.

01:44:17.360 I'm not being facetious at all.

01:44:21.980 They just, on CNN...

01:44:23.920 Hold on a second here.

01:44:24.960 I have to bring this up because it's screwing up my iPad.

01:44:27.660 On CNN, they send someone out to Nevada.

01:44:30.060 Was it, Gerald?

01:44:32.040 It was Nevada.

01:44:32.580 I'm sorry, what?

01:44:33.060 They send someone out to Nevada on CNN.

01:44:34.500 Las Vegas.

01:44:35.800 Nevada.

01:44:36.540 Yeah, yeah.

01:44:36.960 Yes.

01:44:37.240 I'm saying I'm being more specific.

01:44:38.080 I'm sorry, guys.

01:44:38.800 This is a disaster.

01:44:39.480 I was drinking water.

01:44:39.700 So they sent someone out to Nevada to go look at a poll, right?

01:44:42.400 To go look at a voting precinct.

01:44:43.760 And of course, we know Nevada is very likely going to be read by significant margin.

01:44:48.020 Of course, we know that same-day voting favors Republicans.

01:44:50.360 Now, I guarantee you this is what happened.

01:44:52.000 And let me explain to you.

01:44:52.840 And you tell me if you think that I'm being presumptuous.

01:44:54.780 So he goes out there and he's in a mall that looks like Fast Times at Ridgemont High as one does.

01:44:58.740 And so he goes there and I bet you the CNN producer said, look, it's same-day voting.

01:45:03.420 That's going to be heavily Republican.

01:45:04.820 And this is not going to go well for us in Nevada.

01:45:06.580 We need you to find a precinct where same-day voting is going to lean heavily blue.

01:45:12.040 And he said, say no more.

01:45:13.620 And he's talking to people in line underneath a Mercado, Super Mercado sign.

01:45:20.320 Not a word of English written.

01:45:25.220 That's not a great story.

01:45:27.360 No, no, I'm saying that's the only place he could find anyone because the Telemundo offices weren't available.

01:45:32.460 It's the only place that he could find majority Democrat voters.

01:45:35.900 He was just like, hey, who are you voting for?

01:45:37.540 I am voting for Democrat and that was it.

01:45:39.480 I think the problem is that I just didn't understand the joke.

01:45:42.100 No, it's not a joke.

01:45:44.000 This actually just happened on CNN.

01:45:45.500 He's underneath the sign that says Super Mercado is where he went, an entirely Hispanic area.

01:45:51.060 That's a really good Spanish accent you got going there.

01:45:53.620 Super Mercado.

01:45:56.360 Well, sorry, we can't all be Dominican, whatever the hell it is.

01:45:59.740 Yeah.

01:46:02.060 Weave quite a tail.

01:46:04.620 We can't all look like we're walking around in a perfect Dominican brown suede evening gown.

01:46:09.860 Rub it in my face, Candace.

01:46:12.100 That's just not fair.

01:46:14.260 So, Stephen, who's going to win and who's going to lose?

01:46:17.320 Just tell us that.

01:46:18.380 As the Pope.

01:46:20.660 Yes.

01:46:21.220 As the Vans Pope.

01:46:22.780 Yes.

01:46:23.400 I'm the new Vans Pope.

01:46:25.320 I will say this.

01:46:26.220 I would have, I would have expected Arizona, Carrie Lake, you know, if not for all the questions.

01:46:36.060 Irregularities.

01:46:37.020 Strange coincidences.

01:46:38.020 The excellent voting procedures.

01:46:39.500 Mm.

01:46:40.040 Yeah.

01:46:40.780 I think, listen, I'm troubled by what's going on in Maricopa County.

01:46:45.120 I think that it's unconscionable that you can't, in the United States of America, in the year of our Lord, respectfully, 2022.

01:46:53.040 Don't tell that to me.

01:46:54.020 Tell that to Ben.

01:46:54.740 Yeah.

01:46:55.080 That you can't actually effectuate an election successfully is unbelievable.

01:47:00.560 But, I still think Carrie Lake's going to win.

01:47:04.380 I think that we're going to spend all evening fretting about Arizona, and Arizona's actually going to be a bright spot by the time that the evening's over.

01:47:10.440 I'm a little bit more concerned about Herschel Walker down in Georgia.

01:47:14.620 I'm a little bit more concerned about Dr. Oz over in Pennsylvania.

01:47:18.140 I'm a little bit more concerned that we're going to lose races where it isn't because the voting machines aren't working.

01:47:24.960 I have a feeling we're going to still fare.

01:47:26.640 I hope.

01:47:27.140 I mean, I'll be the first to admit if I'm wrong, but I'm hopeful that Arizona's actually going to break our way, even with all these irregularities.

01:47:33.480 Well, I agree with you, and I was just talking about, you know, obviously, you guys are the political experts.

01:47:37.240 I'm just a comedian with a horrible Hispanic accent.

01:47:40.400 But I will say, maybe someone can clarify for me.

01:47:45.840 Explain this to me like I'm a dummy without getting banned from YouTube.

01:47:49.180 I was about to say, hold on.

01:47:50.180 They're on YouTube.

01:47:51.320 We're not.

01:47:51.680 We have the freedom of not being there right now.

01:47:53.280 Yes.

01:47:53.380 And genuinely, I know you guys are probably on edge because I'm not going to do anything to get you guys in trouble.

01:47:59.960 I promise you, you have my word.

01:48:01.720 But here's my question.

01:48:03.060 They're talking, and Jeremy, to what you were just discussing there.

01:48:06.220 Okay, Arizona.

01:48:07.400 I think it'll be a bright spot long term.

01:48:10.800 But this is something we sort of have all accepted, and I just was discussing this.

01:48:15.360 They're saying, hey, we will have a certain percentage of the vote tonight until we might have 99%.

01:48:21.940 They just said this on CNN by Friday.

01:48:23.600 Once we count the early voting.

01:48:25.980 Now, hold on a second.

01:48:26.700 If I may, just go with me for a second.

01:48:28.500 Wouldn't it stand to reason that the early voting could be counted early?

01:48:34.600 I don't understand why the same day voting is counted today, and the early voting is counted Friday.

01:48:41.220 Your thoughts?

01:48:42.060 I may be functionally retarded.

01:48:43.480 I've never heard a valid explanation.

01:48:44.600 Yeah, so this is actually idiotic state law in places like Pennsylvania as well.

01:48:50.000 In Florida, that's not the way it works, right?

01:48:51.660 My home, wonderful state of Florida, which I've been praising all night long for being the best state in America.

01:48:57.280 Florida, they do count all of the election ballots early as they come in,

01:49:02.200 and that's why they're able to get out all of the election tabulations in like an hour and a half of the polls closing.

01:49:06.080 In Pennsylvania, they are legally not allowed by law to count the early ballots until the polls close.

01:49:11.120 That's it.

01:49:11.400 Well, hold on.

01:49:12.760 Pennsylvania, they don't follow their own laws.

01:49:15.120 Okay, but...

01:49:15.680 They don't follow their own law.

01:49:17.980 I mean, that's...

01:49:18.760 The law.

01:49:19.520 The law.

01:49:20.560 But that's true.

01:49:21.940 But what I'm saying is that a lot of these states just have crap voting procedures,

01:49:25.560 and that just didn't get fixed from 2020.

01:49:29.140 And, you know, in some states like Arizona, there's no excuse for it because Republicans were...

01:49:32.920 Well, actually, Katie Hobbs is running the place in Arizona, right?

01:49:35.020 Well, Katie Hobbs is Secretary of State, who also has the final say in that.

01:49:38.300 Right.

01:49:38.640 A lot of coincidence in Arizona.

01:49:39.320 Amazing in Arizona, yeah.

01:49:40.500 And in Nevada, it's the Democrats who are running the thing.

01:49:42.640 In places like Pennsylvania and Georgia, there really is no excuse for not fixing the voting procedures at this point.

01:49:47.660 Because this is third...

01:49:48.800 It really is third-world crap.

01:49:50.280 But isn't the problem...

01:49:51.160 It's not even third-world crap.

01:49:52.740 You dip your finger in the purple ink.

01:49:54.740 You put your finger on the person you want.

01:49:56.680 That's how they do it in the third world, and then somebody counts the purple dots.

01:49:59.460 Right.

01:49:59.800 You can do it all in a day.

01:50:01.080 Yeah.

01:50:01.220 Or worse than the third world.

01:50:02.640 Isn't the problem not the counting of the early votes?

01:50:05.940 I don't know if we're allowed to say this, but isn't the problem the early votes?

01:50:09.240 I mean, you shouldn't be voting for two months.

01:50:10.960 I thought for an election.

01:50:11.740 Isn't the problem the switching?

01:50:13.240 Yeah, yeah.

01:50:13.900 And all the fraud that takes place.

01:50:15.840 But that's...

01:50:16.340 A joke.

01:50:16.900 A joke.

01:50:17.120 A joke.

01:50:17.400 Of course, we're joking.

01:50:18.240 We're joking.

01:50:19.320 But isn't...

01:50:19.920 You know, we shouldn't have two months of voting, right?

01:50:22.020 I mean, that's a big problem.

01:50:23.000 Absolutely.

01:50:23.220 Republicans need to come out against it and stop it and stop saying, well, we're just

01:50:27.400 going to fix it around the margins.

01:50:28.680 Don't fix it around the margins.

01:50:29.760 The only reason they have early voting is because they exploited COVID to pretend that

01:50:33.020 this cough was the reason why we had to destroy all our election laws.

01:50:35.920 And then they kept it in place implausibly in this election, and they're going to keep

01:50:39.380 it until we stop it.

01:50:39.960 You have two years to plan your day, to carve out some time to go vote.

01:50:44.700 Two years to figure that out.

01:50:45.940 There's no reason why you can't do it.

01:50:47.100 I have another question also, actually.

01:50:48.880 And this one is about the state Republican parties.

01:50:50.400 This is a real question.

01:50:51.140 Why is it that the best state in the country, Florida, they could rack up voter registrations

01:50:55.800 for the Republican Party to the point where they were actually out-registering the Democrats

01:50:59.380 by this election cycle?

01:51:00.660 And in Arizona and in Georgia and in Pennsylvania, apparently everybody just went to sleep for

01:51:04.580 two years instead of actually registering voters.

01:51:06.660 What the hell are you doing?

01:51:07.880 It's huge.

01:51:08.040 What do you do for a living?

01:51:09.160 This is why Zeldin can't win in New York, because they have no organization.

01:51:12.620 Every single Republican who wins builds his own kind of world for himself, where every

01:51:17.860 Democrat who wins builds a coalition, you know, builds a machine.

01:51:20.700 Builds the machine.

01:51:21.480 Well, I think in Arizona, there's a little, obviously you can't underestimate the idea

01:51:25.620 of, you know, Hobbs being Secretary of State, who was planning all along to run for governor.

01:51:29.760 And I do think that Carrie Lake kind of emerged because there weren't a ton of strong people

01:51:33.580 in Arizona.

01:51:34.220 Once she emerged, she emerged very, very strongly.

01:51:36.440 And you look at that gap that was made up as quickly as it was.

01:51:39.120 Here's my point with Carrie Lake and Hobbs.

01:51:41.780 All right.

01:51:43.020 You are, you're Hobbs.

01:51:44.380 Okay.

01:51:44.960 You're ahead.

01:51:45.700 Now the gap has tightened.

01:51:47.220 Now you're losing.

01:51:48.540 You're not showing up for media.

01:51:49.960 You're not hitting the ground.

01:51:51.040 So we can talk about Republicans not being very active.

01:51:52.900 But think about this for a second.

01:51:53.960 You're not really hitting the ground running.

01:51:55.080 Not a super effective grassroots campaign.

01:51:56.840 And then you don't even show up for a debate.

01:51:59.560 When, at that point, at best, it was a statistical heat.

01:52:02.700 At worst, she was already, it's like she didn't want to win.

01:52:05.560 But, you know, hey, why does that matter when the voting machines go down?

01:52:08.920 Maybe she knew she might get lucky and have 20% of the machines just magically go.

01:52:13.420 Maybe, I'm just saying, maybe she had a dream and then suddenly she got lucky.

01:52:16.360 20% of the machines go out, you know, this is YouTube.

01:52:19.140 I want to keep this user friendly.

01:52:21.320 No, you're right.

01:52:22.020 See, Candace Owens doesn't give a shit about YouTube.

01:52:24.140 That's what I think about you.

01:52:27.140 Candace can tell jokes just as funny as Steven.

01:52:29.940 Yeah, there we go.

01:52:31.240 Yes, yes.

01:52:32.140 I'll have Candace go up with Dave at the Ryman.

01:52:35.660 We'll do it.

01:52:36.280 Yes.

01:52:39.100 Except we should warn you, Dave's crowd is a little bit white supremacy.

01:52:44.140 It's fun.

01:52:44.880 It's Candace.

01:52:45.860 We're from Southern California.

01:52:47.440 It's white supremacist adjacent.

01:52:49.900 Right, right.

01:52:51.380 Yeah, well, Ben Shapiro really brings them in.

01:52:53.400 Talk about canvassing.

01:52:54.500 Oh, my gosh.

01:52:55.960 He looks like if Ed Furlong didn't get shot at the end of American History X.

01:53:01.640 He would be Ben today.

01:53:05.560 You know, I love each other.

01:53:07.280 Your move, Candace.

01:53:09.440 Try and come on down to my dark corner of the world.

01:53:12.120 And I mean that figuratively, not the beautiful.

01:53:14.220 You know, every time you make jokes like that, Steven, it reminds me of one of the great days of my life.

01:53:18.480 The time that you were waterboarded.

01:53:19.620 That was a wonderful time for everybody.

01:53:26.880 That was a Christmas episode, was it not?

01:53:28.940 It was in celebration of our Lord and Savior.

01:53:32.220 It was, you got to watch it be waterboarded, if I recall correctly.

01:53:35.840 Everyone move your chairs back from Ben about six inches.

01:53:39.400 He's going to spontaneously combust.

01:53:40.920 That's true.

01:53:41.760 Did I tell you, Ben, that I tried to cheat that, the waterboarding?

01:53:46.740 For people who don't know, I thought I, yeah, what happened is they put the cloth over my face.

01:53:50.180 Remember, it was Tim Kennedy.

01:53:51.180 And I thought that if I stuck my tongue out, I'd create like a pup tent effect.

01:53:55.000 And the water wouldn't go.

01:53:56.140 But it's so immediate.

01:53:57.220 I was like, ah, it just makes it worse.

01:54:01.500 So it's like, like, I thought that I'd figured something out that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed missed.

01:54:07.640 Did I tell you to enjoy waterboarding?

01:54:10.340 It was one of the great days.

01:54:12.420 I was so excited to see Steven suffer.

01:54:16.120 Yeah.

01:54:17.680 And he took it like such a man.

01:54:20.040 I hate to say anything kind about him.

01:54:23.180 He, he would have lasted at Gitmo.

01:54:26.760 He would have lasted like 11 and a half seconds, which would have been an all-time record.

01:54:31.720 And I was so angry that he suffered so little that I went upstairs and clogged his crapper.

01:54:37.880 He's trying to get out ahead of it because he knew I was going to bring that up anyway.

01:54:42.200 Is he going to project her?

01:54:45.180 In his brand new beautiful house.

01:54:48.080 Yes.

01:54:49.140 Let me hear from you.

01:54:50.040 What are your, what are your sort of flyer predictions there?

01:54:52.360 I mean, the one that I sort of, I said, you know, I think an upset could be Oregon.

01:54:55.940 I think Tampax Kotec could be going down.

01:54:59.200 And then I think that Hochul wins.

01:55:00.900 But I said by less than four.

01:55:02.280 Those were kind of the ones that, oh, and I think that Evers or Evers, sorry, loses in

01:55:07.220 Wisconsin, Democrat there.

01:55:08.860 But what do you guys have as far as long shots or sort of what you would call predictions

01:55:12.580 that maybe are off the beaten path?

01:55:14.120 You know, I was a little bit more optimistic, I'll admit, like two hours ago.

01:55:17.360 And I think that as the night wears on and as I have to spend more time with you, I become

01:55:23.140 more pessimistic about the state of the world.

01:55:25.200 And so some of my upset predictions, like Hochul, I actually thought had a chance of losing

01:55:28.920 that race.

01:55:30.120 I doubt at this point, given sort of the returns that we've seen, that she's going to lose

01:55:33.640 that race.

01:55:34.540 Also, I think that the estimates that Republicans were going to take 53, 54 seats in the Senate,

01:55:39.320 those are starting to look a little bit outpaced right now in Georgia.

01:55:42.220 Walker and Warnock look like they may go to a runoff.

01:55:44.240 That may be the most plausible possibility right there.

01:55:47.460 Well, it's a good thing to do with a pro ball player.

01:55:48.920 He can run that shit.

01:55:51.560 Well, I mean, the good news is we can always come up with some extra children who may be

01:55:54.380 of age at this point.

01:55:55.680 I mean, maybe they can finally tip this thing over into the victory category for the Republicans

01:56:00.900 in Georgia.

01:56:02.180 But it's, the joke was right there.

01:56:04.340 I had to take it.

01:56:06.040 You have to go for it.

01:56:08.580 You run to daylight.

01:56:09.480 Run to daylight, guys.

01:56:10.360 That's, that's, that's, but, um.

01:56:13.380 We've had an ongoing joke about, uh, about Herschel Walker campaigning against demon babies,

01:56:17.180 which makes sense to only people watching this.

01:56:18.840 Yes, that's true.

01:56:20.280 Fool me once, demon baby, but not, demon baby is not going to fool me again.

01:56:23.440 We need to throw them all in the pot of milk.

01:56:25.180 Demon baby is an epidemic in the country.

01:56:27.140 I'm going to take out every last demon baby.

01:56:28.960 Because it sounds like something he would actually do.

01:56:30.800 You think they look like regular babies, but they're not.

01:56:33.560 You look at that baby.

01:56:34.540 You say, that baby, look, that baby looked like the Gerber baby.

01:56:36.660 I say, you mispronounced demon baby.

01:56:38.220 Your baby, look at me cross.

01:56:39.160 I saw drowning him.

01:56:39.900 Yep, that's how we, the only way to handle demon baby.

01:56:42.380 Got to drown the demon baby.

01:56:43.720 And I, when I was sheriff, I drowned every last damn demon baby that I saw.

01:56:48.640 And I'm going to drown every last damn demon baby that I come across.

01:56:51.660 Whether it's a runoff, walk off, demon baby off, I, I, I, I'll go off with your demon baby.

01:56:55.440 Is your baby crying out in there playing?

01:56:56.620 You've, you've had a point, I think.

01:56:59.200 I loved the Daily Wire.

01:57:01.040 It was still a great time.

01:57:02.840 Some of the best times of my life.

01:57:03.940 It was.

01:57:04.940 The best times of my life.

01:57:06.040 Is that the Vitamin C song playing?

01:57:08.300 Damn it.

01:57:09.160 You know, Ben, why do you have to be such a pessimist?

01:57:13.440 I mean, aside from the fact that I'm here on your stream, but I, I, I, I don't see any

01:57:16.780 reason that we wouldn't be able to pull the old Senate, Senate majority here.

01:57:21.940 Really, if, if Fetterman wins, we, we still, right, we still only need two unless they've

01:57:25.920 called some things during this interview.

01:57:27.740 That's totally within the realm of possibility.

01:57:29.300 Oh, you know, I, I don't think that, I think the Republicans, uh, I think 51 is still, you

01:57:33.700 know, very, very, very plausible actually.

01:57:35.820 Uh, but I think that 53, 54, which is kind of how the night started, which is, oh, we're

01:57:39.180 going to, we're going to take New Hampshire.

01:57:40.160 We're going to take Pennsylvania.

01:57:40.960 We're going to take Arizona.

01:57:41.920 We're going to take Georgia.

01:57:42.500 We're going to take Nevada.

01:57:43.440 We may, maybe we'll take a Washington state.

01:57:45.380 Like, I, I think that some of those things have started to, you know, reality has started

01:57:49.100 to creep in.

01:57:49.520 Still, it can be a good night for Republicans.

01:57:51.780 Listen, Republicans having the house alone means that Joe Biden's agenda is now over

01:57:55.320 and he's not effectively president anymore because he just can't get anything through.

01:57:59.100 Um, but with that said, I, my, my, you know, it's late at night.

01:58:04.540 We're hanging out with you.

01:58:06.300 It's a dark time for all of us.

01:58:08.100 And, uh, and you know, one of the things that, that just occurs to me is that candidate

01:58:11.860 quality actually matters just a little bit.

01:58:14.260 And this has been my message.

01:58:15.040 No, I agree with you.

01:58:15.680 I agree with you.

01:58:16.720 And I also, Hey guys, for everyone else, not named Ben.

01:58:18.960 When was the crossover moment that Ben got a stylist?

01:58:22.020 Because I don't know when it happened, but it was a night and day difference.

01:58:26.380 Slappy's revenge.

01:58:28.380 No, Ben went, Ben, you know this.

01:58:29.860 You went from, you know, like golf shirts like Gerald here.

01:58:32.100 And then all of a sudden.

01:58:32.640 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:58:33.140 Don't throw me in here.

01:58:34.180 Oh, come on.

01:58:35.060 And then all of a sudden you started looking like you were, you know, a Xenia ad, a Hugo Boss,

01:58:39.440 whatever.

01:58:39.700 I didn't want, I was going to say Hugo Boss, but then I realized.

01:58:41.700 Is that 100% true?

01:58:43.040 Yeah.

01:58:43.500 No, I mean, you're right.

01:58:44.620 It was certainly after I wasn't killed at the end of American History X.

01:58:49.740 Celebrated life.

01:58:50.440 And you were growing a beard for a time.

01:58:51.120 Yeah, that was the zigzag that I was sorry about.

01:58:53.640 You were growing a beard and then you just shaved it off.

01:58:54.780 I faked y'all out.

01:58:55.300 It was the most important political story of 2020.

01:58:57.720 People were sad to see the beard died when my wife was not.

01:58:58.320 Well, he shaved off the beard because Kanye thought he was a Jewish werewolf, by God.

01:59:02.360 Howling at the moon, trying to play me for a fool, Dan.

01:59:12.880 Ha!

01:59:14.220 Where is he?

01:59:19.140 Oh, man.

01:59:20.080 This is why we can't have nice things.

01:59:22.040 Like friendships or a company.

01:59:24.100 What is that?

01:59:25.260 Well, look, guys.

01:59:26.780 I think, hey, Andrew, you don't ever, Andrew, you never call me anymore.

01:59:30.120 Andrew, you don't ever call me anymore, bro.

01:59:31.320 I know.

01:59:31.440 You never talk to me.

01:59:31.800 This one's for Candace.

01:59:32.980 You used to call me all the time and say, please, get me a job.

01:59:35.360 And now I never hear from you anymore.

01:59:37.880 Once I realized you had no power.

01:59:41.580 I kept telling you.

01:59:42.540 I kept telling you.

01:59:43.440 No one could place you, Stephen.

01:59:44.920 I'm sorry.

01:59:46.000 And all those long nights for nothing.

01:59:51.220 All right.

01:59:51.820 Well, look, guys.

01:59:52.400 I appreciate you.

01:59:53.040 I think there's a lot.

01:59:54.220 Do you think we'll have any final question?

01:59:56.360 Do you think we'll have any concrete results here tonight?

01:59:57.860 Do you think we'll actually be able to make some calls?

01:59:59.240 I know the media doesn't want us to be able to.

02:00:00.740 Karine Jean-Pierre was very clear.

02:00:02.560 It could take months.

02:00:03.800 That's how it's supposed to work.

02:00:04.880 The election.

02:00:05.560 And that means the election is working.

02:00:07.400 So let's all calm down.

02:00:08.920 You know, there's only one race I care about, Stephen.

02:00:11.860 You asked for long shots.

02:00:13.460 The white race.

02:00:17.260 That goes without saying.

02:00:18.740 I can tell you.

02:00:20.600 Is it New York 7th?

02:00:21.620 For real, right?

02:00:22.640 Yeah, yeah.

02:00:23.520 I'm sort of.

02:00:24.060 He can make that joke.

02:00:25.620 He's an Italian, right?

02:00:26.400 He's part Sicilian.

02:00:27.480 Southern Italian.

02:00:27.900 The Sicilians have always occupied an ambiguous racial territory, which is very helpful.

02:00:33.480 The race that I'm looking at is New York 17.

02:00:35.820 Sean Patrick Maloney is the head of the DCCC campaign committee.

02:00:39.000 And, you know, he could lose.

02:00:40.660 I don't know that he will.

02:00:41.620 If he loses, though, that is a message to not just some random Democrat in New York.

02:00:47.100 It's a message to the whole campaign.

02:00:49.360 It's a message, actually, to the entire party in the House.

02:00:52.380 And so there's a very, very good shot we will get those results tonight.

02:00:56.860 That would be extraordinarily satisfying.

02:00:59.420 And then on those crucial races, we're probably going to have to wait until 2027 to figure out what happened.

02:01:04.240 Yeah.

02:01:04.600 Well, I think you're right.

02:01:06.140 And I will say this, too.

02:01:06.820 I think this is what – I don't think this is the most important election of our lifetime.

02:01:10.820 I think it's the precursor to the most important election of our lifetime in 2024.

02:01:13.420 That's how I see it, and that's why I see the gubernatorial races.

02:01:16.820 You know, I think you guys would probably agree most indicative of where we would be if you were to hold a national election today.

02:01:23.640 Because, obviously, with the House, obviously, with the Senate, less so.

02:01:26.540 But kind of as you veer more towards governorships, you're talking about local politics, which is why local politics are so important.

02:01:32.940 You know, how effective you are, what kind of a campaign, right?

02:01:35.160 You can have red states that have entirely blue races or entirely blue victories.

02:01:39.160 Because the governorships here and the momentum that we're seeing there is, I think, a pretty strong indicator of where we're going in 2024.

02:01:45.040 And I think, you know, the last election that we covered, you know, was sort of a referendum on legacy media.

02:01:50.360 And last we checked here, we're not on YouTube.

02:01:53.020 We're not on Facebook tonight.

02:01:54.280 But, you know, I mean, 350, 400,000 people, something like that on Rumble.

02:01:59.500 This is sort of a referendum right now on YouTube.

02:02:02.360 And I think it's a good thing.

02:02:03.220 You guys are building your own platform, obviously, with Daily Wire.

02:02:05.580 But this is, I think, a tectonic shift of people realizing we all want to be off of these platforms.

02:02:11.480 But there isn't a viable alternative.

02:02:13.680 Tonight, enough people are migrating away that I do think that's a really big win just beyond the politics.

02:02:19.260 But I will leave you guys with this.

02:02:22.300 Candace, actually, she brought up a very good point about Jean-Pierre.

02:02:26.700 And that's how, you know, the election is working.

02:02:28.440 I couldn't hear.

02:02:28.940 I think that was the person you were quoting, right, Candace?

02:02:31.320 Yeah, that's right.

02:02:32.000 Yeah, and the thing is, it could not be a more, you know, that's the most apt person to be making that comparison.

02:02:39.340 Because do you know why?

02:02:40.960 Hershel Walker will tell you that Jean-Pierre, that is one grown-up, grown-ass demon baby.

02:02:46.080 Dead or wild, thank you so much.

02:02:47.040 We'll be back later.

02:02:50.300 All right, thanks, Stephen, for destroying your company.

02:02:55.400 I hope I get that guy in the secret sand of this very conservative secret sand team.

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02:04:10.620 and also will shield your eyes from the horrors of a Steven Crowder segment.

02:04:15.580 Wow. That's a dude who says stuff.

02:04:21.800 We've been here long enough now to have stale popcorn.

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02:04:27.940 Yep.

02:04:28.380 It's unbelievable.

02:04:29.740 And yet we are no closer to the answers that we desire.

02:04:35.040 Georgia looks like it's going to head for runoff.

02:04:37.320 If I have to predict things right now, Georgia looks like it's headed that way.

02:04:40.220 How far up?

02:04:40.660 Marshall Walker's in a very, very narrow lead over Raphael Warnock.

02:04:43.740 He's at 49.4 and Raphael Warnock's at 48.7.

02:04:48.140 But, you know, again, that Libertarian Party candidate, those Libertarians, man, you can't trust them.

02:04:52.320 1.9% from the Libertarian Party drawing away from Herschel Walker.

02:04:56.180 That would have put him over the top.

02:04:57.120 So instead we'll get yet another runoff, which is just riveting, exciting stuff.

02:05:01.820 There's nothing I love better than a good Georgia runoff.

02:05:03.760 They work out amazingly well for all of us.

02:05:06.000 Meanwhile, the results have started to come in from Arizona, where all the voting machines are beautifully run.

02:05:11.220 And Mark Kelly is right now up against Blake Masters, 56-41, but that's with 38% reporting.

02:05:17.340 So those numbers mean nothing.

02:05:19.260 Obviously, the urban areas tend to bring in the numbers first.

02:05:22.760 Meanwhile, over in Pennsylvania, we're starting to see some numbers with 49% reporting.

02:05:26.880 John Fetterman is up 51-47 over Mehmet Oz.

02:05:30.180 Again, the mail-in ballots have not been counted, so you'd imagine the numbers are a little bit better for Fetterman than that at this early stage.

02:05:37.060 Again, there's a bit of a blue mirage that happens at the beginning of the night when all of the early towns get counted, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Allentown.

02:05:44.320 And then it's a little bit later in the evening when some of the rural areas come in.

02:05:48.480 So right now, if you're ballparking this thing, it's not looking amazing for Republicans in the Senate.

02:05:54.120 In the House, it's looking a little bit better.

02:05:57.160 They already called Colorado for the Democrat.

02:05:59.100 So that race, which at one point was considered maybe a plausible win for the Republicans, with Michael Bennett running against O'Brien, that race has been called right off the bat.

02:06:09.720 So that is where things stand.

02:06:12.500 There's also news out of Arizona.

02:06:14.780 Rachel Maddow, my doppelganger, is reporting, and just to let you know that it's not only Republicans who are claiming voter fraud and shenanigans,

02:06:24.320 Rachel Maddow is reporting that Arizona Republicans are intimidating Democrat voters with guns.

02:06:31.680 I assume this is, you know, these are white supremacist Nigerians in MAGA hats, you know, taking subway sandwiches from every Democrat voter in Arizona.

02:06:40.680 But she is on air reporting that right now.

02:06:43.420 It does look like there has been one reversal.

02:06:44.980 I suggested earlier that the networks were calling Virginia second for the Democrat.

02:06:49.080 They've now reversed that.

02:06:50.240 The Republican state senator Jen Kiggins will defeat Elaine Luria in Virginia's second congressional district.

02:06:55.380 That's what I thought was.

02:06:56.340 That's good news.

02:06:57.180 That is good news.

02:06:57.860 That's a race that I thought was gone.

02:06:59.800 Here's my sheet of paper with all the margins on it right now.

02:07:02.840 That district, the Luria district, was a Biden plus five.

02:07:06.280 Wow.

02:07:06.540 It was a D plus six.

02:07:07.960 So, again, it looks like a red tide, not a red wave is kind of how I would describe it.

02:07:12.060 I'll take it.

02:07:12.860 If Oz...

02:07:13.680 What would you call it?

02:07:14.520 Crimson tide?

02:07:15.680 If Oz actually loses, if he loses to a guy with brain damage, we talk about accountability.

02:07:19.820 There has to be accountability for the Republicans that got behind Oz in the primary.

02:07:23.780 Like, you're going to actually lose to a guy that can't even speak.

02:07:26.300 But unfortunately, the Republican most notably who got behind Oz in the primary is Donald Trump.

02:07:33.340 And as far as I can tell, he did it exclusively on the basis that Dr. Oz was also on TV.

02:07:40.160 You know what?

02:07:40.880 Listen, I think Oz is...

02:07:44.120 I'm going to keep my mouth open for the jelly bean.

02:07:46.740 Listen, I think Oz is a terrible candidate.

02:07:49.060 I am infuriated by him.

02:07:51.120 It's just...

02:07:51.540 He's just awful.

02:07:53.160 But David McCormick, who I think was probably better, but he was fairly squishy on a lot of issues.

02:07:59.440 Kathy Barnett was the conservative in that primary.

02:08:01.580 There was a broad consensus.

02:08:03.240 Again, I thought she was great, but there was a broad consensus she wouldn't be strong in a general.

02:08:07.080 So a lot of people in the party came out against her.

02:08:10.980 You know...

02:08:11.980 But you had, like, Sean Hannity telling people that they essentially didn't have a place in the party if they didn't support Dr. Oz.

02:08:17.000 Yes, no, look, I thought the Oz shilling was disgusting, and I don't like Oz, really, at all.

02:08:22.360 But the point that you make, Matt, which is that can you believe this guy with brain damage is going to beat Oz?

02:08:28.680 Because I think if the situation were reversed, and I'm up against, let's say, the Democrat had this fully functioning brain, such as Democrats have,

02:08:36.320 but, you know, was advocating for, you know, abortion on demand and transing the kids and destroy the economy and open borders and all the rest of it,

02:08:42.720 and then you had a Republican who had suffered a stroke, I would gleefully vote for the Republican,

02:08:47.380 knowing that his wife would actually take the seat or they'd just appoint some new guy to take it,

02:08:51.220 or just knowing that his staff would run it.

02:08:53.220 So I get why Democrats would do it, because the power of a senator is not what it was 100 years ago.

02:08:58.760 You know, 100 years ago, senators had many more responsibilities.

02:09:02.160 A lot of that has been outsourced to the bureaucracy.

02:09:04.400 Fetterman was always running to be just a rubber stamp for Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden anyway.

02:09:08.100 So I'm not terribly surprised.

02:09:09.900 I mean, I think yellow dog Democrats are the people who would vote for a yellow dog over any Republican.

02:09:14.400 Same way I feel about Herschel Walker, you know.

02:09:16.000 Totally.

02:09:16.180 I feel like, do you want to vote for the guy whose girlfriends have had an abortion,

02:09:19.840 or for the guy who will actually make abortion legal until the kid is two years old?

02:09:23.860 I agree with you, but just the fact, I mean, you're a doctor running against a guy with brain damage.

02:09:27.520 How do you not leverage that in an effective way?

02:09:30.720 Well, he tried.

02:09:31.300 He actually, his campaign went after Fetterman on the brain damage issue, and it read kind of ugly.

02:09:38.480 Well, no, it's what I'm saying, but I think they went after it in the wrong way.

02:09:41.580 Like, Oz, especially in the debate, I thought that was a missed opportunity for him.

02:09:46.540 And he should have been, like, showing concern, like pity for him.

02:09:50.280 Yeah.

02:09:50.820 I really feel sorry for this guy, and, you know, as a doctor, I feel sorry.

02:09:54.900 I think that would have been a better approach, and it would have made him look...

02:09:57.660 Again, the health issue was always going to be secondary.

02:10:00.800 And, in fact, I think there's a world, if it turns out that the Pennsylvania Senate seat goes to Fetterman,

02:10:05.480 there's a world where the health issue actually took away from the main line of the campaign,

02:10:10.360 meaning that what really should have happened in this campaign is that Fetterman's policy should have been an issue

02:10:14.580 because he is a terrible candidate.

02:10:17.340 I mean, if you look at his policy positions, this is a guy who has talked openly about cutting fracking in Pennsylvania.

02:10:21.840 This is a guy who is abortion-on-demand until point of birth.

02:10:24.920 He said his number one priority was freeing murderers from birth.

02:10:27.400 Right.

02:10:27.620 He was going to free one-third of all criminals in the state of Pennsylvania.

02:10:29.720 I mean, these are radical policies, but because, almost in the same way the Democrats got distracted by the shiny abortion object,

02:10:34.640 and they're like, let's throw a bajillion dollars at abortion while everybody's worried about inflation,

02:10:37.960 in Pennsylvania, it felt like, because it was the low-hanging fruit, not because it was so obvious,

02:10:41.640 and honestly, he felt bad for the guy.

02:10:42.900 Like, when I watched that debate, I felt bad for him because he literally, it was hard to watch.

02:10:47.100 I mean, it's like, what?

02:10:48.040 He's a person who was not fully functional trying in public to do this thing.

02:10:52.260 Everybody got distracted by the fact, this is crazy.

02:10:54.220 We could actually elect a senator who can't speak sentences.

02:10:56.820 And they got distracted by the fact that senator who can't speak sentences is going to vote like Bernie.

02:10:59.720 Sanders, and it seems like if you're talking about, like, what's more relevant to voters,

02:11:03.080 maybe what's more relevant to voters, because how often have you watched a senator speak?

02:11:06.320 Well, I think there's also a cynicism on the right that says,

02:11:11.060 because Donald Trump won an unexpected victory in 2016, we should only run famous people now.

02:11:19.440 The cynicism of it is, the voters are so dumb, they'll vote for a celebrity.

02:11:25.000 But with Herschel Walker on the ropes tonight, with Dr. Oz on the ropes tonight,

02:11:29.520 hopefully it disabuses us of this particular cynicism.

02:11:33.140 But it's a longstanding issue.

02:11:34.380 I mean, you think of going back to Sonny Bono, I mean, going back to Jesse Ventura,

02:11:38.760 or Arnold Schwarzenegger, all these, you know, celebrities run in politics.

02:11:43.260 Politics is show business for ugly people.

02:11:45.100 But I agree, I don't think it is.

02:11:47.000 You can't just say the guy that had a big TV show, he'll be a shoe-in to the race.

02:11:50.340 It just doesn't happen.

02:11:51.520 It doesn't work that way.

02:11:53.020 So our friends over at ElectionWire are going to give us an update on some of the races

02:11:56.220 that they've been following throughout the evening.

02:11:58.760 We're counting on them to be able to look at their computers while we all stare at each other

02:12:04.040 and make Steven Crowder jokes and try not to get canceled.

02:12:07.860 So they're tracking the races at a much more granular level,

02:12:12.100 and they're here to give us an update now.

02:12:14.100 So we've got a few calls coming in from Decision Desk, which we're using this evening.

02:12:17.940 The Oklahoma governor's race we mentioned earlier that had seemed like a toss-up.

02:12:22.020 Republican Governor Kevin Stitt has just come out on top there.

02:12:24.900 Decision Desk, Osco calling the Pennsylvania governor's race for Josh Shapiro.

02:12:29.040 In the Pennsylvania race right now, 53% in.

02:12:31.800 Fetterman is up 51.1 to 46.6.

02:12:34.640 And in that governor's race, Fetterman is trailing Josh Shapiro by about 5.5 points.

02:12:39.320 That's generally where he needs to be.

02:12:40.900 Betting market's also now overwhelmingly going for Fetterman after Oz was at about 70% earlier today.

02:12:46.280 There is good news for Republicans, though, in the state of North Carolina.

02:12:49.280 It was very tight earlier.

02:12:50.640 Ted Budd is now pulling ahead of Sherry Beasley, 51.1 to 46.9, with about 90% in right now.

02:12:56.360 And in Ohio, J.D. Vance is up 54 to 46 on Tim Ryan, with 75% in.

02:13:02.080 Starting to get early results out of Wisconsin, 50% in.

02:13:04.680 Mandela Barnes up 50.5 over Ron Johnson, the incumbent, 49.5.

02:13:09.500 We're still expecting that to tighten as more results come in.

02:13:11.740 And then in Michigan, 23% in.

02:13:13.520 Gretchen Whitmer is up 51.3 on Tudor-Dixon, 47.1.

02:13:17.440 So, again, kind of a mixed bag.

02:13:18.900 That's what we've been seeing all evening.

02:13:20.400 But we're expecting a lot of these races to continue to be tight as more results come in in these more Republican-leaning districts.

02:13:27.540 Gabby Phillips, thank you.

02:13:28.840 And we're being joined now from the Manhattan Institute, I think one of the most important journalists in the country today, our good friend, Chris Ruffo.

02:13:34.820 Chris, what are you seeing from your vantage?

02:13:40.740 What's happening out there?

02:13:42.360 Look, I think this is undoubtedly a big night for the governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis.

02:13:47.140 I think his brand of muscular culture war politics has shown that it is nationally resonant.

02:13:54.120 He's outperforming all of his peers.

02:13:56.080 He's flipped Latinos.

02:13:57.380 He's flipped urban districts.

02:13:59.000 I think he's really riding high tonight, pioneering a new model of conservative politics.

02:14:03.280 And then I think, on the other hand, someone like Dr. Oz, as you guys were saying, is running a lackluster campaign.

02:14:08.800 He didn't draw contrasts.

02:14:10.280 He didn't have any crisp policy positions.

02:14:12.560 He didn't take any risks.

02:14:14.360 And I think that that's really what it comes down to.

02:14:16.200 People want to know that you're a politician willing to stand on principle, to stand on issues, to draw strong contrasts.

02:14:22.880 And Dr. Oz, I think, played the role on television of being the doctor that everyone liked.

02:14:27.980 But in politics, you have to accept that half of the country will not like you.

02:14:31.980 And there's nobody that leans into that more effectively than Ron DeSantis.

02:14:36.640 Yeah, it turns out that the quality of the candidate actually matters in these races.

02:14:43.340 And you can't be cynical, is what we were just talking about beforehand.

02:14:46.340 You can't be cynical as a party going into these races about who can win.

02:14:50.460 That cynicism can play out in multiple ways.

02:14:52.500 There's a kind of establishment cynicism that maybe you experience some degree of with a Dr. Oz.

02:14:57.820 I think that you experience with Mitt Romney in the 2016, I'm sorry, Jeb Bush in the 2016 primaries, or Mitt Romney even in the 2012 election.

02:15:07.060 Or McCain.

02:15:07.780 Or McCain, you know.

02:15:08.420 But there's a populist version of the cynicism, too, where even as far back as the Tea Party, the grassroots would put up candidates, I think, who were very low-quality candidates, but who kind of had this sort of red meat appeal.

02:15:20.900 It turns out in politics, some vetting actually has to happen.

02:15:24.080 It's not just about people who you sort of constitutionally resonate with.

02:15:27.420 You have to find people who are actually going to be able to go through the rigor of it.

02:15:30.000 I mean, you said that politics, Michael, is showbiz for ugly people.

02:15:34.440 And that gives me some hope that I might one day ascend in public office.

02:15:38.240 But the one thing that I've certainly observed in my time dealing with politics is that the kind of person who can endure the rigors of a campaign and actually thrive in it, I mean, this is not a quality that the average person has.

02:15:51.700 I know for a fact that I do not have it.

02:15:55.440 And, you know, these races are grueling.

02:15:57.540 They put these people, they put their families.

02:15:59.300 I mean, Ben made the point that he's actually sad seeing Fetterman up there.

02:16:04.140 I feel that way every time I see the president of the United States, I have an actual sadness, an actual pity that we're abusing this human in the way that we are.

02:16:14.440 And you can say, ah, he earns it, oh, he's been a bad guy.

02:16:16.880 I'm not trying to make it offensive to Joe Biden.

02:16:20.900 I'm saying that it's an ugly thing that we've done.

02:16:23.680 It's an incredibly hard job.

02:16:26.080 And I think that the party did not have the discipline that it needed, sort of at the establishment or grassroots level.

02:16:32.500 It was kind of interesting, too, with an Oz candidate, because Trump has been pretty good at picking candidates, and he's changed the Republican Party, and there's this new thing.

02:16:42.840 And you look at a J.D. Vance, he's obviously moving the party in a new direction.

02:16:46.340 But then Oz, as you point out, Chris, Oz was just this old, I mean, the guy was...

02:16:51.840 Oz was on TV.

02:16:52.600 Oz was on TV, but Oz was, you know, he'd go on radio lambasting pro-lifers, and then he goes out, he says,

02:16:58.140 I'm going to vote to redefine marriage in the Senate, and you just think, and all I'm going to do is cut your taxes.

02:17:02.500 By the way, one common thread with low-quality candidates, I'm thinking of Christine O'Donnell in Delaware during the Tea Party wave.

02:17:10.300 They have really bad ads.

02:17:12.460 Their media is really bad.

02:17:14.160 And Oz had terrible ads, and Christine O'Donnell had terrible ads.

02:17:17.160 And that poor woman in California, who I like personally, but she was not a great candidate, forget her name now, she had terrible ads.

02:17:23.940 There's just this odd thing that the people who are peddling this kind of old, dated politics, that is reflected in their media.

02:17:34.560 And you saw it instantly with Oz.

02:17:36.060 You think, the TV guys should have good TV ads, but they just didn't connect at all.

02:17:40.600 And I think, by contrast, Fetterman had a really strong communications plan, a strong campaign.

02:17:45.860 He had people dressing up as vegetables, making fun of Dr. Oz for the crudité.

02:17:51.180 He had a lighthearted campaign, a fun campaign that felt frivolous at times, but also felt like it was something that was on the moment, made Dr. Oz feel a little bit dated.

02:18:02.120 Dr. Oz felt like daytime television in 1995, whereas Fetterman was able to create this buffer zone around him.

02:18:09.180 You have a candidate that can't even fulfill a full sentence, and yet his comms people, I think, were pretty successful.

02:18:15.020 And I think that the digital strategy has to get smarter for all these campaigns.

02:18:20.280 And I think that, again, DeSantis and other candidates in that vein are showing that actual risk-taking is rewarded in the ballot box, provided that you do it in a sophisticated and disciplined way.

02:18:31.080 Yeah. What are the stakes? I'd like to hear your thoughts before we go.

02:18:35.180 I mean, obviously, I shouldn't say obviously, but it seems that the Republicans are at least going to take the House.

02:18:40.840 That's going to do something to blunt President Biden's agenda.

02:18:44.260 But really, what are the stakes? What's the difference?

02:18:47.080 If we get that majority in the Senate, if we get more than a simple majority in the Senate, what matters tonight and what doesn't?

02:18:53.660 I think ultimately what matters is what policies start to get formulated, policies start to get developed, and policy programs start to get mapped out for the future.

02:19:03.800 And then I think down ballot, it's really important.

02:19:06.060 All of the actual reforms that are going to affect people in their day-to-day lives are happening in state legislatures.

02:19:12.120 And so I think what we saw with critical race theory, this blitz through the legislative bodies in 22 states, we're going to see again in Republican-led state legislatures.

02:19:22.940 And so I think people have to focus their fire locally to get things done.

02:19:27.680 And in D.C., it's about who's going to rise to the top, who's going to take control of the Republican apparatus,

02:19:32.200 and what kind of policy items from people like J.D. Vance, the younger generation that is more comfortable with this kind of combative culture war politics,

02:19:40.280 are they going to actually translate those political victories into substantive policy proposals?

02:19:47.160 All right, Chris, well, we appreciate you.

02:19:48.840 Appreciate the good work that you're doing out there on so many important issues, most notably CRT and the transing of our kids.

02:19:54.420 I mean, you're just really helping to lead the fight.

02:19:57.060 And I say that even though Matt Walsh is sitting right here.

02:19:59.560 Thank you for joining us tonight.

02:20:01.240 How dare you.

02:20:01.960 Good to see you.

02:20:03.180 See you.

02:20:03.960 And we're joined now by the president of the Judicial Crisis Network, Carrie Severino.

02:20:08.660 Thanks for being with us.

02:20:09.480 Great to be here.

02:20:10.280 So what happens?

02:20:11.880 We get the Senate.

02:20:12.680 How are we able to block the president on traditional appointments?

02:20:15.600 What power will we have if we win that we won't have if we lose?

02:20:18.880 Yeah.

02:20:19.180 Well, remember the last time that the Senate and the White House splitting made such a huge difference was in 2016.

02:20:25.820 When you have the Senate and the White House of a different party, that's really the American people tapping the brakes on what's going on with the presidency.

02:20:32.560 Right now, even with the barest majority possible, which is 50 votes, not even a majority, with the tiebreaker, basically the Senate's been putting anyone that the president wants to get across the board across.

02:20:45.600 He has, but he has, Donald Trump made records putting judges on, Biden has broken those records.

02:20:50.280 So there has been no moderating effect of having any kind of middle ground on this 50 votes because, unfortunately, while Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema stand up every once in a while, they don't stand up on judges.

02:21:02.340 And they voted for every single judge.

02:21:04.180 So there'll be a huge change because, first of all, there'll be a chance that maybe there's actually some of the more radical judges you could actually defeat.

02:21:12.160 But there's also a lot of control of the pace that the Senate majority leader will have and control of the committee process.

02:21:20.660 So there'll be an opportunity to really highlight in committee some of the outrageous and radical judges that Biden is putting up.

02:21:28.440 Yeah.

02:21:29.380 The courts are the one thing that we still have, right?

02:21:31.380 I mean, since 2020, almost the only places we've been able to block Biden's agenda have been at the Supreme Court level.

02:21:40.300 If we're able to blunt his ability to appoint future judges, does that set us up in future elections to be able to do more beyond just the Supreme Court?

02:21:48.160 I mean, do we have advantages earlier in that process to put a stop to some of the – I mean, you know if he loses the House, he loses the Senate.

02:21:55.220 He's going to start using executive orders in a way that, you know, we've probably never seen before the frequency of executive orders.

02:22:02.620 The courts are really the only bulwark against that, aren't they?

02:22:04.600 Yeah, I mean, I think this shows the wisdom of the last administration putting a priority on that because all of his executive orders are just out the window immediately.

02:22:13.460 You know, the legislature has shifted.

02:22:15.080 They're doing everything they can to undo stuff as fast as possible.

02:22:17.840 So it's the courts are really the backstop, and particularly when Biden feels backed into a corner and just has to do the pen and phone thing that Obama, you know, so popularized.

02:22:28.180 The courts – this is why administrative law, which sounds so boring, has suddenly become really important at the Supreme Court because it's these administrative agencies and these bureaucrats that the president is going to be deploying to just,

02:22:39.860 well, we can't get this passed in Congress, we'll just declare an emergency and do it some other way, right, or stretch – we'll find a statute that was passed 60 years ago and decide that it means that we can, you know, delay evictions or something.

02:22:51.200 You know, they find all these different things.

02:22:53.220 That's what the courts are here to do is to keep those separations of powers in place.

02:22:57.740 And I think, you know, thank God we have the Supreme Court that we do and the appellate courts as well.

02:23:04.140 So the fewer of the Biden appointees that are going to be the rubber stance for his agenda we can have on those courts, the better chance we have of keeping those courts.

02:23:13.480 You know, one big hobby horse of the conservatives over the last 10 years or so has been on this point of administrative law, on Chevron deference,

02:23:21.460 specifically this idea that the courts just defer to the administrative agencies to interpret their own regulations.

02:23:26.380 Now, conservatives actually, including Scalia, used to be pro-deferring to the administrative state.

02:23:33.820 Then, in recent years, they've shifted very much against the administrative state and made this big move against Chevron to overrule Chevron deference.

02:23:41.220 Now we've got a 6-3, technically, but really 5-4 conservative court.

02:23:46.820 So, okay, if this is such a big issue, is the court going to overrule Chevron?

02:23:50.600 I think more likely what you're going to see is they just start not applying it in as many cases.

02:23:56.760 So Chevron is the case that says the agency interprets the law.

02:24:00.300 The law is actually passed by Congress.

02:24:01.840 The agency is interpreting the law, sometimes in creative ways, right?

02:24:05.280 And the courts, I think Scalia's idea is the courts are crazy.

02:24:08.960 We don't want the judges doing this.

02:24:10.580 It would be better to just defer to the executive agency.

02:24:13.000 So I think he was trying to get the activism out of it.

02:24:16.320 But, of course, we know that our agency bureaucrats can be every bit as activist as judges, maybe more so.

02:24:23.020 So everything we've realized out of the prying pan into the fire on that.

02:24:26.060 I think what you're going to see is the courts just deciding maybe we're not going to use this framework that we have to defer to agencies.

02:24:33.600 There's a lot of questions that have been raised constitutionally about how could that even be legal?

02:24:37.720 How could that be constitutional to let them decide what the law is?

02:24:40.700 So whether they go full overruling it or whether they just decide we're going to stop really applying it,

02:24:47.240 I think you're going to see Chevron not playing a big role in the way the court's looking at it.

02:24:52.720 Do you think, I mean, we've talked about this a little bit tonight, but with the Dobbs decision,

02:24:57.560 with the overturning of Roe, with the Democrats going all in on abortion,

02:25:03.040 a new focus on the courts, protests, still to this day, protests outside of the Republican-appointed jurists on the court,

02:25:11.060 how is the role of the court changing in American life right now?

02:25:15.640 And from a political point of view, it seems to me that the Democrats are demonstrating tonight

02:25:22.160 that turning court losses into political gain isn't as easy as it looked

02:25:27.960 when the Republicans were doing it after Roe for 40 years.

02:25:31.220 Exactly.

02:25:31.660 Well, I think at the end of the day, what the American people really want to see is judges that are actually bound by the law.

02:25:36.540 So for a long time, we had a court that was just willing to do whatever the Democrats wanted.

02:25:41.260 And what you're seeing now is a temper tantrum because they finally lost control of that.

02:25:45.420 They're like, wait, wait, we can't just go to the court and ask for something.

02:25:48.560 And they give us, you know, Ronald Reagan said, go back, get a half loaf, go back for the other half.

02:25:52.200 They would just go to the courts for the other half.

02:25:53.680 And the other half, the court would give them the other half and then some salami and mustard to go with it.

02:25:58.480 But now the court's finally saying, actually, you know, you're getting what you had.

02:26:02.680 And I think that's part of the reason they're not able to turn it into the victories is because

02:26:06.420 how can you get upset about the court just doing what the Constitution says?

02:26:11.060 I think that's returning it to the American people.

02:26:13.000 So even if, you know, whether you want a lot of protection for fetal life,

02:26:16.500 whether you want abortion to be legal all nine months,

02:26:19.040 now it's in the American people's camp and they can make those calls.

02:26:23.600 And they're going to make a lot of different calls across the country.

02:26:27.600 But we are still seeing that temper tantrum in terms of the intimidation,

02:26:31.880 you know, people on their lawns, you know, politicians threatening to pack the court,

02:26:36.140 all that kind of thing, hoping that, well, even if we don't have the justice of the court,

02:26:39.780 maybe we can try to strong arm them.

02:26:41.760 Maybe we can try to threaten and bully them into ruling our way.

02:26:44.780 So let's say we get 51 at least.

02:26:47.400 Hopefully we get 52 senators, 53, but maybe that won't happen.

02:26:50.120 Let's say we get 51. Okay. Now, if a Supreme Court justice dies or retires,

02:26:55.340 now Biden's got some new nominee.

02:26:59.040 Can the Republicans and will the Republicans in the Senate hold out,

02:27:03.860 pull a cocaine Mitch, say we are not going to confirm a justice until the next presidential election?

02:27:09.560 Well, he did it once, right?

02:27:11.760 This is why we have Justice Gorsuch is probably why we had Donald Trump as president

02:27:16.260 was because Leader McConnell made that call and said, hey, we're going to all sit together.

02:27:20.840 And in their defense, the other Republicans stuck with him.

02:27:25.360 I think, you know, obviously it depends on the specific politics of what happens when.

02:27:30.900 But I don't think any Republican senator should vote for a nominee to the court

02:27:36.380 that's not going to be willing to interpret the Constitution as it's written.

02:27:39.400 They take an oath to uphold the Constitution, too, right?

02:27:41.380 So if you're voting for someone who thinks the Constitution means whatever they felt like after, you know, in the morning,

02:27:46.680 that is not upholding your oath to the Constitution.

02:27:48.960 So I would hope that regardless of, you know, I hope Justice Biden doesn't get any more vacancies.

02:27:53.660 Whenever it is, I would hope that they wouldn't be willing to vote for someone.

02:27:56.660 You know, there's a dirty little secret here, too, that you're not allowed to talk about.

02:28:00.160 But it's late and we've been talking nonstop for four hours and we're all getting a little loopy.

02:28:05.080 The Democrats' recent appointments to the Supreme Court are humiliating to the court.

02:28:11.600 I mean, Elena Keegan is a legal mind.

02:28:14.840 Yeah, it's a pretty serious resume.

02:28:16.540 I disagree with a lot of our ideas, but she is a legitimate jurist on the court.

02:28:20.980 You can't say the same for Sonia Sotomayor.

02:28:22.800 You can't say...

02:28:24.560 Oh, my goodness.

02:28:25.780 Ketanji.

02:28:26.180 Ketanji.

02:28:26.460 Thank you.

02:28:26.900 Jackson.

02:28:27.380 Yeah.

02:28:27.860 If you can't define what a woman is, I don't mean to disparage.

02:28:30.280 Essentially at this point, the Democrats are essentially at this point putting partisan political actors on the court and not actual legal minds.

02:28:38.100 I mean, what impact is that going to have over time?

02:28:40.820 If the court is only an extension of a sort of what we might think of as like party rule, political party rule, doesn't that weaken the very intentions?

02:28:50.760 Or weaken the court and change the role that the court plays in our society?

02:28:57.400 Well, I think Biden already, we're seeing the consequences of the fact that when he had an option, he had several, even within his must-appointed black woman, he had a lot of different options.

02:29:07.340 He chose the most radical option he had.

02:29:10.540 And I actually think in the long run that's not going to be helpful to him.

02:29:13.440 And we've seen her so far on the bench.

02:29:15.900 She's much more along the lines of a Sotomayor.

02:29:17.600 Or she's just trying to get in these rhetorical points, not making the kinds of questions and arguments that might be appealing to pull off, peel off, you know, a swing vote.

02:29:28.400 Great.

02:29:29.000 That's great in my camp, right?

02:29:30.460 She's not, she's not, Lena Kagan is doing stuff like that.

02:29:33.860 By trying to go with the most radical nominees you can find, you know, sometimes that isn't a strategy if it's not someone who can make a compelling argument.

02:29:41.740 What I think was so great about Trump's nominees, I really do think they're people who can make very compelling arguments.

02:29:47.500 And, you know, some justices are immune to rational discussion, but you're someone who can move intellectually the ball forward is what you really should be looking for.

02:29:57.280 What effect do you think there are going to be in the fact that the Supreme Court decision leaked, we've just moved past that, there's been no accountability whatsoever?

02:30:06.060 Like, what does that mean for the future?

02:30:08.020 It seems like there's never, we're never going to find out who did it.

02:30:10.120 And there's never going to be any kind of punishment whatsoever, so.

02:30:13.920 Yeah, I mean, I think that's, that is the worst thing that could have happened after that, right?

02:30:16.680 If they, they had a very short window where everyone's under the same roof.

02:30:20.100 And if they didn't find the person then, they're not going to find them.

02:30:22.180 I think this is horrible for the institution because no one knows who they can trust.

02:30:25.860 And time will tell whether we have more leaks.

02:30:28.540 It used to be that was the one institution in D.C. that did not leak.

02:30:31.640 And you knew everyone was going to be professional and it was on both sides of the aisle.

02:30:35.820 That's not the case anymore.

02:30:36.960 And I think it sends a horrible message.

02:30:38.600 You know, as someone who's raised several kids myself, you don't, if you reward bad behavior, you're just going to get more bad behavior.

02:30:45.660 Do you have a sense, though, Carrie, that because there's, you know, gossip all around D.C., I think I not only know who did it, but I think I actually know the person who did it.

02:30:57.220 But, listen, there's all gossip.

02:30:58.400 Do tell.

02:30:58.820 I'm not going to say the name, you know, but there's a lot of scuttlebutt and all.

02:31:02.560 Do you think it is the case that the people at the court actually do have a strong hunch of who it is?

02:31:08.120 And for whatever reason, Chief Justice Roberts doesn't want to get involved in all of this?

02:31:14.600 Or do you think legitimately they just don't know at the court?

02:31:16.980 And so anyone, you know, to the right or left of you could have been the leaguer.

02:31:20.100 Well, you know, my when I was clerking at the court, one of the big messages I got from the chief justice that he gave to all the clerks was under no circumstances should you ever violate any consequences or you will be dead to us all.

02:31:31.460 So it was really shocking to me that he didn't do more to find the person.

02:31:34.960 But if if he knows who it is, then the only the only reason I can think of they wouldn't be, you know, disclosing it is it's another justice or it's someone in his chambers.

02:31:45.040 That's going to be really embarrassing.

02:31:46.540 I don't know.

02:31:47.540 I think if it were a clerk in another, then you think he would.

02:31:50.980 I don't know.

02:31:51.320 I think if the other justices had a sense, I think it would be hard for them to sit by and let this person just.

02:31:56.360 I mean, look, that clerk is probably out somewhere getting their student loans forgiven, you know, while while collecting a four hundred thousand dollar bonus for it, for starting at a law firm somewhere.

02:32:07.480 I mean, that's outrageous.

02:32:09.100 Is this a new norm now?

02:32:10.060 That's that's I think that's we're going to find out, you know, is it the new norm?

02:32:12.900 I hope it's not because that that's a huge blow for the court as an institution to to not be able to.

02:32:20.200 I mean, even think about Bush versus Gore.

02:32:22.400 Very contentious.

02:32:23.400 I heard that there were like fistfights breaking out and someone got pushed in one of the fountains during a clerk happy hour.

02:32:28.600 Like it was very contentious.

02:32:30.040 There were not leaks, let alone a leak of an entire opinion.

02:32:33.960 The justices weren't even like having very good conversations together for a long time after that, it seems like.

02:32:39.360 So it's just shocking to me.

02:32:41.780 Obviously, it's a really important decision, but that it would result in that kind of a leak.

02:32:45.400 And then, you know, assassination attempts, all of this stuff.

02:32:47.620 It's just a huge step backwards for what used to be one of the few institutions people could trust.

02:32:54.140 I wonder, you know, one of the themes of the night is election denialism, you know, and of course, the Democrats have been denying elections for a very long time.

02:33:02.440 It's really starting in earnest in 2000.

02:33:04.020 And Republicans have lots of questions about 2020, I think, for good reason.

02:33:08.420 And so it's both sides just, you know, for their own reasons, don't really trust the elections.

02:33:13.500 And then the court was this one institution that was supposed to be kind of above this sort of petty squabbling.

02:33:19.680 And then that seems from my vantage to be collapsing as well.

02:33:24.380 So is that real or is it just this is the way it always was, you know, stop catastrophizing, nostalgia's history after a few drinks?

02:33:31.440 Or are things really getting quite bad?

02:33:33.020 You know, I think it ebbs and flows.

02:33:36.460 There have definitely been times when the court had horrible, you know, internal things.

02:33:41.900 You know, one justice wouldn't sit with another justice because he's Jewish, all these different things like that.

02:33:45.200 I mean, really, really intense personal disputes.

02:33:48.720 So I don't want to say this is the worst it's ever been by a long shot.

02:33:53.040 It does seem, you know, that relationships are not as close as they were, you know, during the 90s and early, early 2000s.

02:34:01.020 But, you know, I think this is not helping with the league and things.

02:34:07.240 I thought it was an important point we skipped over.

02:34:10.040 There was a fist fight and someone got pushed into a fountain?

02:34:12.680 This is lore.

02:34:14.480 You know, there's a weekly clerk happy hour.

02:34:16.560 And the clerks all, you know, you get along with each other.

02:34:18.400 You're coming from different perspectives.

02:34:19.740 I heard someone got pushed into the fountain during one of these.

02:34:22.420 I wasn't there to see it.

02:34:24.320 It wasn't an actual justice, was it?

02:34:25.660 Not, oh, no, not a justice.

02:34:26.900 We're talking clerks.

02:34:27.800 Not quite the caning of Sumner.

02:34:28.980 The justice is getting pushed would have been, you could really hurt someone.

02:34:31.100 These justices are not young.

02:34:32.280 It's kind of ironic that John Roberts is supposed to be the great defender of the court's reputation.

02:34:36.680 The court's reputation is spiraling downward at the same time.

02:34:39.780 I wonder if it gives him any second thoughts.

02:34:41.620 You know, it's kind of like the parent trying to be the cool parent by, like, buying the kids beer or something.

02:34:47.320 That's not actually how you gain their respect.

02:34:48.840 You might gain some popularity points over a very short term, but over the long term, they don't really respect you.

02:34:54.240 Over the long term, they want to know the difference between a tax and a penalty.

02:34:59.740 Like, do we really trust that you're going to decide something based on the law or you're just kind of finger to the wind?

02:35:03.720 What's going to get the best poll results?

02:35:07.660 That's not going to get, maybe in the short term it does.

02:35:09.920 In the long term, I think we're seeing the court's integrity tanking.

02:35:13.180 And that's because it looks like they look at politicians.

02:35:15.980 Carrie, thank you so much for coming on and talking to us tonight.

02:35:17.840 Have a great night.

02:35:18.600 Really appreciate it.

02:35:20.360 And we haven't shown off in a little bit.

02:35:22.260 So while they bring in a chair and get Ben Shapiro back on the set, we're going to show you some more of what's going on over at Daily Wire Plus.

02:35:33.100 What is a woman?

02:35:34.680 Can you tell me that?

02:35:38.800 Well, you're at the Women's March.

02:35:39.820 You must have some idea.

02:35:40.640 Please, if one person could tell me what a woman is.

02:35:42.880 You are not here for women.

02:35:44.580 We ask you to leave.

02:35:45.820 What is that?

02:35:48.600 I'm a husband.

02:35:49.640 I'm a father for, I host a talk show.

02:35:51.980 I give speeches.

02:35:52.960 I write books.

02:35:54.060 I like to make sense of things.

02:35:55.560 A woman is not anything in particular.

02:35:57.320 There is not one particular thing.

02:35:59.000 It could be many things to many people.

02:36:00.940 Some women have penises, right?

02:36:02.520 Some men have vaginas.

02:36:03.800 I like scented candles.

02:36:04.940 I've watched Sex and the City.

02:36:06.180 Yeah.

02:36:06.600 How do I know if I'm a woman?

02:36:08.160 That's a great question.

02:36:09.240 You're not a scientist.

02:36:10.300 You're not a gender studies major.

02:36:11.580 No.

02:36:11.840 How do you know that you're a man?

02:36:13.720 I guess because I got a dick.

02:36:19.420 Can a man become a woman?

02:36:23.600 I'm not a woman, so I can't really answer that.

02:36:26.820 Women only know what women are.

02:36:28.540 Are you a cat?

02:36:29.920 No.

02:36:30.580 Can you tell me what a cat is?

02:36:33.580 Do you want to tell us what a woman is?

02:36:34.920 I'm a biological woman that medically transitioned to appear like a male.

02:36:42.500 I will never be a man.

02:36:45.300 And so they go on the internet and they're told that all their problems will be solved if they become a man.

02:36:50.380 So you worry that there could be a sort of social contagion element of this?

02:36:54.480 A teeny tiny bit, maybe.

02:36:56.300 It got me at 42.

02:36:58.380 Your child doesn't have a chance.

02:37:01.620 And you're affirming it with hormones that have never been used in this way.

02:37:08.420 Puberty blockers, which are completely reversible.

02:37:11.480 Completely reversible.

02:37:12.720 One of the drugs used is Lupron, right?

02:37:14.480 Which has actually been used to chemically fast-rate sex offenders.

02:37:18.560 You know what?

02:37:19.500 I'm not sure that we should continue with this interview.

02:37:21.640 You don't want to talk about the drugs that you give to kids?

02:37:25.260 How can they be removing the healthy breasts of 15-year-old girls?

02:37:29.120 There are masculine girls.

02:37:30.360 There are feminine boys.

02:37:32.060 What are we going to do about that?

02:37:33.340 Carve them up?

02:37:34.220 How can this whole thing be happening, Matt?

02:37:37.060 I wanted us to have a safe place to be able to talk about this.

02:37:41.700 Part of me wants to ask why you care so much.

02:37:43.820 I care about the truth.

02:37:44.880 I care about children.

02:37:46.180 I care about the women who are having their opportunities stolen from them.

02:37:49.240 Is it transphobic to tell the truth?

02:37:51.980 The interview's over.

02:37:52.920 Let's turn off the cameras.

02:37:53.760 Excuse me.

02:37:54.400 I just wanted to know, what is a woman?

02:37:56.220 And you're not going to find out.

02:37:57.460 Based on what I'm saying, would you ever want to move to America?

02:37:59.560 They say no, never.

02:38:13.260 I hope you enjoyed it a little bit.

02:38:16.060 We'll see when it comes out.

02:38:17.500 You know who I am.

02:38:38.840 I have no doubt that God will forgive you.

02:38:42.400 But I hate God.

02:38:53.500 Are we going to make it out here?

02:38:55.600 I know it's been hard.

02:38:57.720 This is our dream, Hattie.

02:38:59.440 Build a home on land we can call our own.

02:39:02.300 Just got to have a little grit.

02:39:03.380 I'm going to head into town and grab the supplies.

02:39:13.220 Look after your mom now, won't you?

02:39:21.080 A mighty fine morning to you, ma'am.

02:39:23.080 And to you.

02:39:23.620 Is your husband at home?

02:39:29.900 Get behind the stove with your sister.

02:39:32.360 They came looking for your pa.

02:39:33.740 That's why they're out there taking their time.

02:39:36.520 Just take where you want and go.

02:39:39.380 But what we want is you.

02:39:42.300 Your father's walking into a trap.

02:39:45.040 It's our turn to protect him.

02:39:46.640 She is a sensible woman.

02:39:51.260 Mrs. McAllister ain't cut out for this.

02:39:54.920 Deep down, you're the toughest woman in this territory.

02:40:00.180 Those killers outside, they're going to feel God's wrath.

02:40:08.560 Kill them all!

02:40:16.640 Hey, a couple of quick updates from the battleground Senate states.

02:40:31.760 We've got in Ohio, J.D. Vance is pulling ahead 53.8 over Democrat Tim Ryan, 46.2.

02:40:39.020 That's with 75% of the vote in.

02:40:40.880 That's a pretty good position for him.

02:40:42.860 He's about where he's been polling, about 5% above.

02:40:45.400 In the Senate race in North Carolina, Ted Budd is also in good position.

02:40:50.880 That's with 92% of the vote in.

02:40:53.120 He's at 51.

02:40:54.640 Beasley, 47.

02:40:56.960 Again, about where he's polling.

02:40:59.060 That seems like it's going to be called pretty soon.

02:41:02.100 John Fetterman in Pennsylvania is still leading.

02:41:05.060 Dr. Oz, that's a 49.8% to 47.9%.

02:41:10.360 That's with 90% of the vote in.

02:41:12.360 And again, there's a lot of early voting.

02:41:13.720 Usually favors Democrats.

02:41:16.200 Looks very good for Fetterman.

02:41:18.500 Josh Shapiro, the race has been called for him as the governor of Pennsylvania.

02:41:23.820 Decision desk called that.

02:41:25.340 And then finally in Georgia, Warnock is still slightly trailing Walker.

02:41:29.900 So Walker's in decent position, 1%.

02:41:31.740 But that's with 83%.

02:41:34.460 I just got that backwards.

02:41:35.900 Warnock's ahead, 1%.

02:41:37.440 Walker's down 1% now with 83% reporting.

02:41:41.560 Not looking great for Walker.

02:41:44.220 But again, one of them has to exceed 50%.

02:41:48.080 Will that happen?

02:41:50.200 Not certain.

02:41:51.360 But there are some Democratic-heavy counties that aren't fully in.

02:41:55.780 Something like 20% to 30% not reported.

02:41:58.340 That's not great for Walker.

02:42:00.060 That's it.

02:42:01.840 Back to you guys.

02:42:03.360 Thank you, John.

02:42:04.420 And joining us again.

02:42:06.240 Yeah, we're back.

02:42:07.420 Billy Whittle.

02:42:08.820 Hi.

02:42:09.940 Bill, not the blowout that we were expecting tonight or that we had hoped for at any rate.

02:42:14.520 Do you still have hope that we're going to carry the Senate?

02:42:16.860 I do.

02:42:18.760 But part of me is walking around thinking the beatings will continue until morale improves, you know.

02:42:25.020 So if you get two out of three, there are some things that you can do on offense, you know,

02:42:30.060 instead of just like stopping the train.

02:42:32.040 Yeah.

02:42:32.400 I always thought if we were able to get control of the Senate, I think what we ought to do

02:42:37.460 is we ought to put together a number of bills that are constructed in such a way

02:42:42.980 that when Biden vetoes them, he basically tanks himself by doing so.

02:42:51.060 The Fair Play for Our Daughters Act, for example, of 2023, which basically says that, you know,

02:42:56.140 of the millions and millions and millions of young women that compete in athletics,

02:42:59.780 it's not fair that one or two people whose feelings are hurt are taking that away from our daughters.

02:43:04.560 We're empowering women and so on.

02:43:06.360 So fair play for our daughters.

02:43:07.700 Send it to them and have them veto it.

02:43:09.420 And you do the same thing for any of these things.

02:43:11.380 You put them together in such a way, you're still telling the truth, you're not lying.

02:43:15.320 But what it seems to me that the only offense...

02:43:17.480 The problem is Republicans, if they even had the political sense to put that bill together,

02:43:21.060 would call it like the Title IX Restoration and Fair Improvement Act or something.

02:43:26.140 This is why we're in the trouble we're in, right?

02:43:28.120 Because our team does not...

02:43:31.160 Evan Sayek called it rhetorical intelligence.

02:43:34.280 And we're real low on that.

02:43:35.640 But somebody's got to get out there and start giving the Republican Party some ideas about how to actually win hearts.

02:43:43.400 You know, we've talked about this before.

02:43:45.100 I think that over the course of the last 30, 40 years, the Democrats have been so effective at using emotion to override reason

02:43:51.980 that now conservatives think that anything that has any emotion in it at all is automatically bad, you know.

02:43:57.940 And people don't vote based on how they think, they vote based on how they feel.

02:44:03.080 And we should be going for the feels.

02:44:04.660 And we're not.

02:44:06.060 And we're paying for it.

02:44:08.580 Feelings don't care about your facts, Ben.

02:44:09.980 So we are, I mean, along those lines, we should...

02:44:13.940 Not to put too fine a point on it, stop running shitty candidates.

02:44:17.160 That is the lesson of this evening, thus far.

02:44:20.360 If you run a very good candidate in Florida, you win by 20.

02:44:22.980 And if you run a very weak candidate, you lose to a person who has brain malfunction in Pennsylvania.

02:44:27.640 And right now, it looks like Fetterman is going to win the seat in Pennsylvania.

02:44:30.920 It looks as though Georgia is going to a runoff because Walker is an exceedingly weak candidate.

02:44:35.000 And a runoff in Georgia is not good for him.

02:44:36.360 A runoff in Georgia is very bad because you don't have Brian Kemp to drag you up the ticket the way that you did in this particular election

02:44:41.240 because Brian Kemp is a good candidate.

02:44:42.560 You can see in that same race, he took Stacey Abrams to the woodshed.

02:44:44.980 Stacey Abrams was the darling of the Democratic Party, and Kemp is going to win handily in that race.

02:44:49.260 Meanwhile, Walfall Warnock is a disaster area of a candidate.

02:44:51.400 And Herschel Walker is going to end up in a runoff, which odds are that he may not end up winning that particular race.

02:44:57.840 And so that's another one you can chalk up to a bad candidate.

02:45:02.160 Lauren Boebert right now is on the rocks in Colorado.

02:45:04.840 That is not a district she should be losing.

02:45:06.340 Right now, she is down by four to five points in Colorado.

02:45:09.260 Still time to pull it out?

02:45:10.400 Still some time.

02:45:11.620 We'll see how that goes.

02:45:12.480 Don Baldick getting his ass kicked over in New Hampshire.

02:45:14.780 That is not a close race.

02:45:16.240 That was expected by a lot of pollsters to be much, much closer than it ended up being.

02:45:19.460 Baldick was the person that the Democrats handpicked to run against Maggie Hassan.

02:45:23.440 They ran a bunch of ads against Baldick's opponents because they figured that Baldick would be the person easiest to beat.

02:45:28.920 And it turns out that that looks to be correct, that that race has already been called.

02:45:31.780 Baldick is done in New Hampshire.

02:45:33.260 So that means that of the races that were on the board at this point, and there are still polls that are open in a lot of these other states,

02:45:38.900 of the races that were on the board at the beginning of the night, Republicans have lost a seat they could have held in Pennsylvania or look to be losing that seat.

02:45:46.660 Georgia is, at best, a toss-up.

02:45:48.900 New Hampshire is gone.

02:45:50.560 And now we're headed out west.

02:45:52.100 And basically, you have to bank the Republicans taking the Senate on holding on Nevada, which would be a testament to Laxalt's quality as a candidate.

02:45:59.460 He's the strongest of these candidates.

02:46:00.680 And then we'll have to see how Masters does in Arizona, you know, if Lake can drag him up the ticket.

02:46:06.540 But we are seeing some ticket splitting, right?

02:46:07.880 In New Hampshire, you saw significant ticket splitting.

02:46:09.440 So Newton won handily, and Baldick got his butt kicked.

02:46:11.920 So what this says, once again, to Republicans, the message is always the same.

02:46:18.280 Don't run shitty candidates and put the onus on the other guys to defend their policies.

02:46:23.700 That's it.

02:46:24.440 That's the whole thing.

02:46:25.620 Don't go crazy.

02:46:26.260 Don't think that the environment is so bad that you can run whomever you please and you're still going to win.

02:46:33.820 Don't spit into the wind and then expect that it's not going to come back at you.

02:46:37.580 I'll actually say that the Federman-Oz situation that's playing out tonight is a lesson that we did not learn in 2020.

02:46:46.120 Everyone said in 2020, Donald Trump can't lose.

02:46:49.340 Joe Biden is a vegetable.

02:46:51.140 Joe Biden won't even leave his basement.

02:46:52.780 Joe Biden can't even string a sentence together.

02:46:54.980 You underestimate what people are willing to tolerate to see their candidate win or see their party win.

02:47:04.720 They're not – people are not making their decision on the quality of – they're not exclusively making the decision on the quality of the candidate in such a way that you can run –

02:47:16.540 Yeah.

02:47:17.340 I mean, Sean Trendy is now predicting that the Republicans don't take the Senate.

02:47:19.840 He says the Democrats are more likely to pick up a seat and end up at 51 than the Republicans are likely to keep it a split, which is not how this night was supposed to go.

02:47:27.760 No.

02:47:27.920 And it is certainly not how this night was supposed to go by any of the available metrics historically.

02:47:32.680 The Democrats would pick up a Senate seat in an election year where the president of the United States is running at 43 percent, where 70-plus percent of the American public believes that the economy is moving in the wrong direction.

02:47:43.440 Yeah.

02:47:43.580 And where you're going to end up picking up – Republicans will end up picking up when this – all of a sudden, maybe between 20 and 25 seats.

02:47:50.840 Yeah.

02:47:50.980 In the House, they'll end up with a fairly solid majority in the House.

02:47:53.800 You're not supposed to lose every single close race.

02:47:56.400 And there are a bunch of toss-up races.

02:47:57.940 There are like 25 toss-up races, 24 and 25 toss-up races in the House.

02:48:01.100 And Republicans are only going to pick up maybe seven of those.

02:48:04.380 So this is a wave that was blunted by, again, lack of enthusiasm in particular – again, because – and this is the thing.

02:48:12.020 You have the proof.

02:48:13.660 In a state where Republicans ran strong candidates up and down the ballot, they whomped people.

02:48:19.480 Florida is a great example.

02:48:20.600 They ran a great governor candidate.

02:48:21.920 They ran two very strong senatorial candidates.

02:48:23.720 They ran a bevy of excellent House candidates.

02:48:25.780 And they whomped everybody.

02:48:27.140 And they did the organization.

02:48:28.140 They did the hard work.

02:48:28.800 And they did really, really well.

02:48:29.860 Well, tonight feels like 2012 felt to me, you know, where everybody thought, okay, he's going to go in real strong.

02:48:36.560 And Romney hasn't prepared a concession speech, you know.

02:48:39.920 And we're watching all these numbers, and that's closer than it should be.

02:48:43.060 And why is that even on the board, you know?

02:48:45.300 Yeah.

02:48:45.680 And expectations were pretty high.

02:48:48.180 Certainly mine were.

02:48:49.520 I think there is some, like, some long-term good news because, well, we're all friends with Andrew Breitbart, the late, great, departed Andrew Breitbart.

02:48:57.380 But when he said politics is downstream of culture, the reason for that is because culture can react much faster than politics.

02:49:05.180 You make a decision about what TV shows you watch, what movies you go to, you make those decisions on an hourly basis.

02:49:10.780 You make a political decision every two years.

02:49:12.560 And the one thing that I've noticed a lot, not looking downstream, but looking upstream, is that a bunch of, like, pop culture channels that I would watch just to talk about Star Trek or whatever, Lord of the Rings, these guys haven't become Republicans exactly, although many of them almost have.

02:49:27.640 But the amount of politics that entered these pop culture discussions and the hatred, just the raw hatred for woke politics, just the disgust of it.

02:49:40.040 So if you're looking at what young people are doing, they are not buying into this stuff.

02:49:45.500 No one's buying Rey Skywalker action figures.

02:49:48.160 They don't want anything to do with it.

02:49:49.780 The Star Trek is dead.

02:49:50.740 Star Wars is dead.

02:49:51.560 And people say, what difference does that make?

02:49:52.740 Well, the reason they're dead is because they got a healthy injection of left-wing politics, and it killed them.

02:49:59.280 And nonpolitical people now are talking politically, and they're not so much talking about how much they like conservatives, but they're talking about how much they hate the woke, which brings us, of course, to the main point, and that is we know what the woke agenda is.

02:50:13.360 What's our agenda?

02:50:14.860 Well, I think Herschel Walker is making some live remarks, and we're going to try to join those in just a moment.

02:50:21.580 Then we're going to kick it over to the Election Wire guys.

02:50:23.940 Our friends at Trafalgar are doing some polling, and their results are a little different than what we're seeing kind of in a lot of the reporting that's happening right now.

02:50:33.300 So it'll be nice to hear a different perspective as we go.

02:50:37.020 And then hopefully we'll be joined by Megyn Kelly shortly after that.

02:50:39.960 So we have still a lot of great voices coming to you tonight.

02:50:42.540 We know it's been a long night.

02:50:43.460 We appreciate you sticking with us.

02:50:44.680 In the olden days, back in the heady bygone days of 2016, we all drank heavily when we did this show.

02:50:53.160 And it made for some really funny moments, but we're certainly not doing that tonight.

02:51:00.360 Looks like we're going to go over right now to Cabot Phillips and the Election Wire team and hear about the polling that the Trafalgar group is doing.

02:51:07.720 You guys, so one of the decision desk call in the Senate.

02:51:12.020 Don Bolduc has been defeated by incumbent Democrat Maggie Hassan, a race that obviously a lot of people were hoping was going to be closer.

02:51:18.560 It looks like it's already been called by decision desk.

02:51:21.680 So we're going to keep an eye on that one.

02:51:22.980 A few more updates.

02:51:24.900 We mentioned earlier Pennsylvania.

02:51:26.620 We had a mistake in the air.

02:51:27.740 It was not 90 percent.

02:51:28.580 We're at 73 percent reporting right now in Pennsylvania, and it's getting a lot tighter.

02:51:33.920 It's Fetterman right now, 49.3 percent.

02:51:36.240 Dr. Oz at 48.3 percent.

02:51:38.840 So Pennsylvania very much in play.

02:51:41.460 Same with Georgia.

02:51:42.400 We're going to get some more data coming in there.

02:51:43.940 But right now, 86 percent reporting.

02:51:46.560 We've got 49.4 for Walker.

02:51:48.800 Warnock is at 48.5 percent.

02:51:51.260 Now, again, Fulton County, we still need 15 percent of their vote.

02:51:54.200 Gwinnett, we're still waiting on 44 percent of their vote.

02:51:56.640 DeKalb, 32 percent.

02:51:57.660 So there are some populous counties around Atlanta that do go, tend to go overwhelmingly

02:52:02.440 Democrat.

02:52:03.100 So expect things to tighten in Georgia.

02:52:05.360 And if it does, in fact, tighten, you're probably not going to see any of the candidates getting

02:52:09.440 to 50 tonight if the trends continue that way.

02:52:13.140 But Robert Haley from Trafalgar Group.

02:52:15.880 Robert, what is a state where you've seen kind of a surprise in the state that's playing

02:52:20.700 out kind of how we expect it from Fulton?

02:52:22.900 Yeah, I think New Hampshire and Ohio are part of the examples.

02:52:26.060 Ohio is one that everybody was saying was going to be very competitive.

02:52:29.920 We never really believed it would be competitive.

02:52:32.220 I think the margin's eight now.

02:52:33.480 It's probably going to grow to more than that.

02:52:35.920 New Hampshire is a state where everybody had within two or three percent on either side,

02:52:41.160 and it looks like there's a blowout.

02:52:42.660 Now, New Hampshire people are very clever and not always forthcoming with their opinions.

02:52:47.680 But there's perfect examples of two that are just completely in line with what it looked

02:52:53.680 like it was going to be and then way off.

02:52:55.940 And as the guys were talking about earlier, how kind of the eyes of the Republicans are

02:52:59.560 now shifting out west, looking at Arizona and Nevada as two spots that they're going to

02:53:03.540 need to get to 51.

02:53:04.740 As those results start coming in, where should we be watching in Arizona and Nevada?

02:53:09.800 Well, I think you should.

02:53:10.760 I mean, obviously, we've always thought Nevada was going to be a win, just like we thought

02:53:15.680 Ohio was going to be a win, just like we thought North Carolina was going to be a win.

02:53:18.680 We didn't really see those as the ones that were tossed up for tonight.

02:53:21.940 So I think affirming that that turns out the way we expected in Nevada, it's going to really

02:53:28.860 go to Arizona and seeing how far behind Masters is from Lake.

02:53:34.640 If Masters stays within four or five points of Lake, I think he makes it.

02:53:38.800 If he sinks a little wider, he's not going to.

02:53:41.900 But it looks like right now he is that close.

02:53:45.620 And what we also know about Nevada, I mean, excuse me, about Arizona, is those votes that

02:53:50.420 are going to be favoring Lake and Masters were going to come in at the end and not the

02:53:54.240 beginning.

02:53:55.200 And it's kind of where it's supposed to be.

02:53:58.520 One final question for you on Pennsylvania.

02:54:00.320 We mentioned candidates trailing governors.

02:54:02.920 Right now, Fetterman is about five and a half points behind Shapiro, about north or south

02:54:08.640 of there.

02:54:09.420 Do you think in the end, if he stays within five and a half points of where Shapiro was,

02:54:12.460 that it'll be enough to put him ahead?

02:54:14.540 No, I think Fetterman is going to be a little more competitive than that because where Shapiro

02:54:19.840 is, you've got a situation that Fetterman has people who might actually agree with his

02:54:27.920 philosophy more, but just don't think he's competent and he's losing a lot of those.

02:54:32.600 I mean, and the only thing Oz is really suffering from, the real problem, is the out-of-town guy.

02:54:37.640 I mean, if he didn't have that corporate bagger thing on his back, he would already be there.

02:54:42.520 But I think that that margin is separate enough that it is easily a split, can be a split

02:54:48.400 decision in Pennsylvania.

02:54:49.600 All right, well, the night is young.

02:54:50.640 We're going to be talking to you a lot, some more.

02:54:51.960 We're going to keep digging into all these numbers.

02:54:53.900 Back to you guys.

02:54:56.060 You know, Ben, you were talking about the quality of the candidates and it just reminded

02:54:59.580 me of like the hockey win, you know, in 1980.

02:55:04.800 They've got professionals on the team and we have hopeful, chipper amateurs.

02:55:10.100 They play professional politics as their religion, it's their job, it's their hobby, it's everything.

02:55:16.480 And it's tough, you know, because if your entire political persuasion is we need less

02:55:21.680 politics, you're not going to drop people who are really good at that conversion.

02:55:25.580 I think this is the thing with the Republicans, though.

02:55:27.680 I think they are in this shift and they have not found their feet.

02:55:30.760 I mean, I just believe that this is, I think the Democrats ultimately are dooming themselves,

02:55:35.940 even though, you know, but I think that the Republicans have a chance to renew, they have

02:55:40.780 a chance to change.

02:55:42.400 You know, one thing you might think would happen in a democratic republic is you might listen

02:55:47.580 to the people a little bit.

02:55:49.320 We were talking about this a minute ago.

02:55:51.160 I think the people repeatedly in the last 20 years of elections have been saying, move

02:55:56.000 it back somewhere in the middle, move it back.

02:55:58.020 You know, they keep overcorrecting, the politicians keep overcorrecting.

02:56:02.420 They elected Joe Biden for normalcy and instead he's turned into, you know, like he thinks

02:56:07.580 he's FDR.

02:56:08.280 He's a lot more like, like a bad Stalin or something like this, you know, but, but no,

02:56:12.680 he's, he's, he's gone all the way to the left.

02:56:14.880 The people never voted for that.

02:56:16.160 They don't want it.

02:56:17.020 On the other hand, we do the same thing.

02:56:18.920 We don't speak to the, the social issues that people care about that move people emotionally.

02:56:23.440 You're talking about the fact that we're emotionally stunted on this.

02:56:27.580 The Republicans are emotionally stunted on this.

02:56:29.420 They will not listen to the things that matter.

02:56:31.460 They didn't, you didn't hear a lot of big campaigning on the, uh, the, the teacher issue

02:56:36.500 on the, the stuff that's been going into.

02:56:38.180 All of this requires a baseline level of confidence.

02:56:39.980 I agree with you, Ben.

02:56:41.320 No, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, we're not arguing.

02:56:43.860 Yeah.

02:56:44.120 Uh, you know, when, when you look at the, here's the thing, some of the more radical candidates,

02:56:47.840 the people like Baldick, right?

02:56:48.840 They were talking about some of this stuff.

02:56:50.300 The problem is there wasn't a baseline level of understanding that they could even do the

02:56:53.740 job in a competent fashion.

02:56:54.980 The same thing is true for Herschel Walker in Georgia.

02:56:56.580 If you look at the exit polls, people are saying this is not a person who I trust to actually

02:57:00.140 be able to do the job.

02:57:01.220 You can do the culture war stuff and it's the icing on the cake, but the cake has to

02:57:04.860 be competence, competent governance.

02:57:06.660 And this is what you're seeing.

02:57:07.980 Again, I'm going to use DeSantis as the best example because he's the only one who's winning

02:57:10.640 a huge victory now, like an overwhelming victory.

02:57:12.340 He and Kemp actually, we can talk Kemp too, right?

02:57:14.100 Kemp ran directly in the teeth of a lot of what Trump was saying about him.

02:57:17.200 Trump didn't want him to be the governor, the gubernatorial candidate.

02:57:19.780 He ripped on him for a solid year and a half.

02:57:21.820 After the election of 2020, he suggested that it was Kemp's fault that he had lost Georgia.

02:57:26.320 And Kemp said, listen, I've done a good job in this state.

02:57:28.320 I've made sure the state stayed open.

02:57:29.760 I was competent.

02:57:30.820 And on top of that, there'll be some icing on culture war issues and we can do all that.

02:57:35.240 And people are like, okay, this guy's competent.

02:57:36.800 I trust this guy with this job.

02:57:37.960 And the same thing with DeSantis, except even more so.

02:57:40.260 And then you look at sort of the...

02:57:41.580 So when we talk culture war, because that's what we do for a living, and when we talk about

02:57:46.320 the issues that are really important to America, and I think the culture war issues are

02:57:48.740 in many ways more important than the day-to-day in terms of the direction of the country over

02:57:52.820 the long haul, when it comes to actually voting, in the same way that people will be polled

02:57:57.680 and they'll say, I hate Congress, Congress is terrible, it's really bad, and then just

02:58:00.260 keep voting for the same Congress person because they understand that the person, or they believe

02:58:03.760 the person has a baseline level of competence, the Republicans have to stop putting up candidates

02:58:07.640 who is appealing to the kind of most passionate side of them, as opposed to the candidate who

02:58:13.840 they believe can actually convince people that they're going to be somewhat decent at the

02:58:17.620 job.

02:58:18.160 And this is something that you've all have in over at AEI, he's made this point, he's

02:58:21.720 correct, that Congress, for Republicans, and for Democrats too, for everyone, it used to

02:58:26.300 be that the institutions shaped the people coming into them.

02:58:29.140 The idea was that you went into Congress to become a Congress person, and then when you

02:58:32.660 were a Congress person, you did the things that Congress people do, and now you go into

02:58:36.200 the institution and you don't use it as an...

02:58:37.880 It doesn't shape you, you shape it.

02:58:39.400 You are supposed to use it as a platform.

02:58:40.980 Now you're going to grow your Instagram following, you're going to get on Fox News, you're going

02:58:43.260 to make sure that everybody hears what you have to say about a particular

02:58:45.860 given topic.

02:58:46.660 Well, that may be a great way of building your following.

02:58:48.400 It is not a particularly great way of winning elections, as it turns out.

02:58:51.420 And we, I think everybody, I think in 2008, and particularly in 2012, Democrats got high

02:58:57.460 on their own supply.

02:58:58.400 And I think in 2016, Republicans got high on their own supply, and they still haven't

02:59:00.780 come down yet.

02:59:01.560 And the lesson that Democrats learned from 2012 is there is a forever coalition of minority

02:59:05.680 voters that we can cobble together who will continue to vote for us no matter how

02:59:08.580 stupid and crazy and woke we are.

02:59:10.240 And they got smacked in the face by Donald Trump in 2016 on that basis, and then smacked

02:59:15.060 in the face in terms of the House over the course of the subsequent years.

02:59:18.300 Republicans in 2016 ran Donald Trump, and they got high on their own supply, which was,

02:59:22.000 we can be as bombastic and break all the rules as we want.

02:59:24.760 They don't understand.

02:59:25.500 Obama was a unique candidate.

02:59:26.760 Trump was a unique candidate.

02:59:27.740 There are no more Obamas.

02:59:28.580 There are no more Trumps.

02:59:29.980 Carrie Lake is a unique talent.

02:59:32.260 But it's hard to find unique talents.

02:59:33.780 You know what is actually a lot easier to do?

02:59:35.580 Finding steady, competent people who are not going to blow it out of the water.

02:59:39.380 Not everybody needs to run for president.

02:59:40.920 We need 400 people who aren't going to run for president.

02:59:42.500 I think it needs to be a little bit more holistic than this.

02:59:45.420 I don't think you can divide it.

02:59:46.440 First of all, I completely agree.

02:59:48.460 We were talking about this as a guy coming in and asking for a job and saying, my values

02:59:52.020 are the same, but I am going to bankrupt your company.

02:59:53.940 No, the first thing, he's got to do the job.

02:59:55.640 And that's absolutely true.

02:59:56.960 But if you look at Glenn Youngkin, I think he's the perfect example.

02:59:59.640 He's kind of a typical Chamber of Commerce Republican.

03:00:02.420 But it wasn't until he picked up on the education issue that he really started to move forward.

03:00:09.540 It's not that, oh, yes, you know, you should have hammered that more.

03:00:13.220 You know, Gorka was ragging on him for not being more Trumpy.

03:00:16.920 And I was thinking, no, you know, there's a purple state.

03:00:18.820 But it's a holistic approach.

03:00:20.520 It's a way of looking at the world that Youngkin finally at least imitated that put him over

03:00:25.080 the top.

03:00:25.520 And I think that you're right it begins with competence.

03:00:28.160 And you're right it begins with political competence.

03:00:30.140 And you're also right that Obama and Trump were outliers.

03:00:34.200 But also, you know, it is part of a way of life.

03:00:37.680 You know, you think about prosperity and freedom because you also think that children should

03:00:43.180 learn certain things and not other things.

03:00:44.820 It's all one point of view.

03:00:46.640 And I think that Republicans have just been too shy in the old British sense of cowardice,

03:00:52.000 of cowardly in talking about their whole vision and in talking about a vision in and of itself.

03:00:58.080 Yeah.

03:00:58.280 So that's like the two breakout candidates of this election, Carrie Lake and DeSantis.

03:01:02.900 Right.

03:01:03.040 I mean, DeSantis is already there, but just performance out of the park.

03:01:06.240 And to me, the one thing that they both have in common immediately and obviously is not

03:01:11.040 just the conviction of their beliefs, but they have rhetorical dexterity.

03:01:15.300 When somebody comes at them with an attack question, they don't just take it.

03:01:18.320 And not only do they not just take it, they come back with an answer that backfoots the

03:01:21.780 person who's asking the questions.

03:01:23.600 I remember when just a couple of days ago when Carrie was asked a question about the woman

03:01:28.300 whose son died of a heart attack the next day.

03:01:31.300 And I thought, OK, is she going to go after this woman?

03:01:34.360 She said, look, you've just lost your childhood.

03:01:35.880 I'm not going to come down on you.

03:01:38.920 That's dexterity.

03:01:40.740 That's the ability to think on your feet and the ability to maintain a positive image of

03:01:47.460 yourself.

03:01:47.820 But the bigger problem is, you know, what is it that we stand for?

03:01:50.960 If you're trying to conserve something, you are essentially saying no all the time.

03:01:56.180 It's just a logical conclusion, right?

03:01:58.380 Everybody wants to change this.

03:01:59.600 We like it the way it is.

03:02:00.440 So we say no, no, no, no, no.

03:02:02.240 But that's not winning.

03:02:04.220 The big Hispanic drift and all this other stuff, it's not so much that people are coming

03:02:08.840 to the Republicans as they're running away from the Democrats.

03:02:10.640 That's correct.

03:02:11.180 So how do you hold on to these people?

03:02:14.920 We're doing all stick and no carrot, right?

03:02:17.920 And we got a great carrot.

03:02:19.260 And we're not able to basically formulate it in a way that people can connect.

03:02:25.480 This is my problem with the philosophy that people vote against something.

03:02:29.520 I think that's a half truth.

03:02:30.980 I understand that, of course, you know, when the economy is bad, when prices are going nuts

03:02:35.820 and all this stuff, that they're going to vote against that.

03:02:38.300 But you do have to give them something to vote for.

03:02:40.360 You really do.

03:02:41.180 You have to stand for something.

03:02:42.680 And it isn't enough.

03:02:45.760 Conservatism that is purely no, no, no, we don't want to change is not enough to move

03:02:50.460 people forward because the world changes and things have to change.

03:02:52.880 I mean, you and I have talked about this a million times.

03:02:54.760 We don't actually want to go back to the 50s.

03:02:57.060 We want to have some of those values move into this new world that we're in.

03:03:00.860 And I just think that Republicans have been bad at this.

03:03:03.780 And Trump was good at it.

03:03:05.460 Trump was good at visionary politics, you know.

03:03:07.520 He wasn't good at actually governing.

03:03:09.200 I don't think he wasn't as good at governing as we wish he had been.

03:03:13.040 But he was good at, like, visionary politics.

03:03:15.500 And you can say anything you want about him.

03:03:17.260 But I understood what he represented when he was on stage.

03:03:20.460 And a lot of times with these guys, I just don't.

03:03:22.380 And I think that just reactionary gestures and basic, you know, all capitalism all the

03:03:30.680 time are not winning ideas.

03:03:31.880 Nobody said that all capitalism all the time is going to win.

03:03:34.300 And I agree with you that Republicans should engage on social issues, particularly the stuff

03:03:38.760 about kids.

03:03:39.760 And that's what Glenn Youngkin showed.

03:03:41.340 At the core of Glenn Youngkin was a guy who was not scary.

03:03:44.280 Democrats tried to make him scary, and they couldn't make him scary.

03:03:46.540 And Democrats are trying to make a bunch of candidates scary, and they're succeeding in

03:03:49.600 making them scary because they're not good candidates.

03:03:51.660 I mean, I'm looking at these Ohio results.

03:03:53.280 J.D. Vance won.

03:03:54.400 That is a red state.

03:03:55.360 He did not win a double-digit victory.

03:03:57.240 He should be winning a double-digit victory in Ohio.

03:03:59.040 That is an underperformance by J.D. Vance, even if he wins the seat, which he did.

03:04:03.300 Ohio 13, that was a Biden plus three seat.

03:04:06.120 Trump endorsed a beauty queen over there, and Amelia Sykes held the seat.

03:04:09.300 That's a Biden plus three.

03:04:10.120 Biden's at 43 percent approval in a blood-red state like Ohio now.

03:04:13.760 Macy Kaptur is in Ohio 9.

03:04:15.420 That is a Trump seat.

03:04:16.220 That's a seat Trump won.

03:04:17.500 She's a Democrat.

03:04:18.460 She held the seat against another Trump candidate.

03:04:20.040 This is not just a—the three scenarios I laid out at the front, red trickle, red tide, red wave.

03:04:27.600 This is a red trickle.

03:04:28.700 This is not a red tide.

03:04:29.560 This is not a red wave.

03:04:30.300 This is, at best, a red trickle.

03:04:31.640 So I want to go to our friend Megan Kelly, who's joining us right now, to get a little bit of insight.

03:04:35.860 We've all been talking, Megan, for the last five hours nonstop.

03:04:39.700 None of us have gotten up from our seats.

03:04:41.080 We're loopy.

03:04:42.480 We're inarticulate.

03:04:43.700 There's actually slurred speech happening.

03:04:45.820 Please save us.

03:04:46.700 Give us a—inject new life into us.

03:04:49.460 Well, I have to tell you, I haven't listened to the whole thing, but I feel like people got themselves all wound up that it was going to be the tsunami.

03:04:58.640 And now they're failing to see that this is a big night, okay?

03:05:02.620 Can we just remember that just about four weeks ago, it looked like absolute devastation compared to where we were a couple months before that.

03:05:10.980 The Democrats had the wind at their back after Dobbs.

03:05:13.940 Trump dominated August with Mar-a-Lago.

03:05:16.200 So the Republicans' numbers were free-falling from astronomical heights back down to really dire numbers.

03:05:23.920 And then, like a miracle, in mid-September, things started to change and their fortunes started to look better again.

03:05:31.000 And let's say they don't win another seat in the House, or in the Senate, that they don't win the Senate tonight, which I still think they will.

03:05:38.840 But if they don't, and they only win the House, it's huge.

03:05:41.800 It's obstruction.

03:05:42.880 It stops the agenda.

03:05:44.540 There will be no more Inflation Reduction Act nonsense.

03:05:48.900 January 6th distractions are over.

03:05:51.280 Their primetime show is done.

03:05:52.980 Like, they needed to be stopped.

03:05:55.240 They were out of control.

03:05:56.860 And at a minimum, it appears that the American people have said and seen on the nonsense that we've been witness to for the past two years.

03:06:05.340 So that is cause for celebration.

03:06:08.000 I'm with Elon Musk.

03:06:09.040 I like divided government, too.

03:06:10.400 Whether they win the Senate or not, I don't know.

03:06:13.780 But I'll tell you what.

03:06:14.760 I could make a good case, if I wanted a Republican president in 2024, that it is better for the GOP to not be in control of both branches of Congress.

03:06:25.140 The more they control, the more they're going to get blamed.

03:06:28.220 The more, I've watched this for many years now from the anchor's desk.

03:06:31.800 The more they control, the more the Democrats have their foil to say, we were going to do all these amazing things for you, except for that evil Mitch McConnell and that evil Kevin McCarthy.

03:06:42.580 It's going to be a lot tougher if they control the Senate and the GOP controls the House.

03:06:47.160 Right now, I'm feeling good because I think we're getting divided government.

03:06:50.740 I don't really care that much about whether the Republicans control both houses of Congress.

03:06:56.300 I think you're right about candidate quality.

03:06:57.840 But I think we're also learning that the Democrats are truly, deeply ideological on some of these crazy issues.

03:07:04.460 That's right.

03:07:04.800 And the Republicans are just going to have to get real.

03:07:07.000 They're going to have to get in there and get dirty and fight those battles where the Dems are.

03:07:11.140 And it was always a bad map for us in the Senate.

03:07:13.260 We've known that for the last two years we knew that this would be the hard one.

03:07:17.120 And things are more advantageous for us just from a straight map point of view two years from now.

03:07:22.700 There is a real opportunity for Republicans to have a great 2024.

03:07:27.840 And to your point, if we stop their agenda in the House, if we stop the Biden agenda in the House,

03:07:32.440 just that alone will be cause to continue drinking well into whatever ultimate date they finally stop counting votes.

03:07:39.380 The only big thing, you know, the biggest thing that would be looming if the Dems controlled the Senate would be a Supreme Court retirement or death.

03:07:47.580 Right.

03:07:48.180 A Supreme Court vacancy of some kind, because obviously the Democrats would control that.

03:07:53.900 I don't know.

03:07:54.760 Not I don't know of one that is pending on the GOP side.

03:07:58.620 I don't think Clarence Thomas has any plans of retiring under Joe Biden.

03:08:02.800 Now, God forbid something worse happened to him.

03:08:06.060 Yeah.

03:08:06.320 But still, it's six three right now.

03:08:08.380 So, I mean, forgive me for just being all about the numbers and not the humanity, but there's a little cushion.

03:08:13.840 Very little.

03:08:14.340 Right.

03:08:14.560 Right.

03:08:14.780 Because John Roberts isn't exactly the most reliable.

03:08:18.620 I'm just saying, like, the downside to the GOP not winning the Senate is really not that large.

03:08:23.360 I realize it's a disappointment for people who wanted the tsunami.

03:08:26.040 But look, remember how you felt September 1st.

03:08:29.180 Listen, you're exactly right that Republicans should certainly be relieved if they end up with the House,

03:08:32.880 because anything that stops Biden's agenda is great.

03:08:36.480 I do wonder what you think about the sort of big winner of the night is going to be on the Republican side, DeSantis,

03:08:42.620 who just crushed it in Florida.

03:08:43.980 He's winning by 20 points in Florida and dragging the entire Republican Party to victory across Florida.

03:08:48.760 Meanwhile, I just want to read you.

03:08:50.280 This is Donald Trump's only tweet since the election on Truth Social.

03:08:52.820 You ready for this?

03:08:53.580 Here it is.

03:08:54.000 This is Donald Trump's response to the election so far.

03:08:56.320 Joe O'Day lost big, capital B-I-G.

03:08:59.680 Make America great again.

03:09:00.880 Joe O'Day is the Republican candidate.

03:09:02.880 In Colorado, who was not sufficiently pro-Trump.

03:09:05.500 That is his only comment so far on the election, is that Joe O'Day lost big in Colorado.

03:09:10.060 Make America great again by keeping Michael Bennett in the Senate.

03:09:12.980 I just, I don't know how this is going to play.

03:09:14.360 Like, at a certain point, aren't people tired of this?

03:09:16.460 I'm sorry.

03:09:16.980 It's a really good question.

03:09:18.160 That's what's on my mind.

03:09:19.560 Like, I'm sorry.

03:09:20.860 This is extraordinarily exhausting.

03:09:22.580 He spent the last two days and a half attacking Ron DeSantis,

03:09:25.480 who's the only big winner of the election,

03:09:27.420 and who expended actual resources trying to get other senators elected.

03:09:30.380 And then his first statement during the election is ripping on Joe O'Day.

03:09:34.760 That's his move.

03:09:35.980 Okay.

03:09:36.360 Can I tell you what you sound like to me, Ben?

03:09:38.320 You sound like there's no way the Republican Party is going to stand by him after that attack on John McCain.

03:09:43.300 Oh, no, I'm not saying that.

03:09:44.620 No, I'm just saying that.

03:09:45.640 I'm not crazy.

03:09:46.260 I'm not crazy.

03:09:46.960 I'm not, yeah.

03:09:47.280 Right?

03:09:47.400 It's just another, no, they are not going to get sick of it.

03:09:50.740 No, they are not going to abandon him over this.

03:09:53.480 No, the hardcore Trump faithful is not mad about any of that.

03:09:57.100 And they don't really love Ron DeSantis anywhere near as much as they love Trump,

03:10:00.560 so he can get away with it.

03:10:01.580 You don't think that they're going to hold Trump responsible for picking candidates

03:10:05.960 by whether or not they think he was truly elected or not?

03:10:09.340 No.

03:10:09.680 No, I don't.

03:10:11.240 I think that's a brand of religion.

03:10:14.240 Yeah, that's pretty depressing.

03:10:16.240 You're encouraging me that we kept the House, and now you're depressing me that the former

03:10:21.140 president who's lost his 17th in Georgia nominated Dr. Oz, Herschel Walker, Blake Masters, and

03:10:27.900 Tom Balduck.

03:10:28.720 I said it earlier.

03:10:30.320 You should not be, he should be disqualified from leading the Republican Party because he

03:10:36.240 went out of his way to cost us the Senate when he lost the election in 2020.

03:10:41.100 He went out of his way to make sure the Republicans did not control the Senate.

03:10:44.700 He told people for a month, do not vote.

03:10:47.360 He was not disqualified on that basis.

03:10:49.980 Why, why on a night that's going to be framed, listen, the Republicans are going to frame

03:10:54.560 tonight as a victory no matter what.

03:10:55.940 If we get the House, that's enough.

03:10:57.620 We'll frame it as a victory.

03:10:59.400 In a victory, we're certainly not going to blame Donald Trump for things that we wouldn't

03:11:02.640 even blame him for when it ended in our defeat.

03:11:06.240 I think you're absolutely right.

03:11:08.060 Let's not forget, it's not just Blake Masters and Don Balduck.

03:11:11.100 It's also Carrie Lake and J.D. Vance, and they'll have enough, you know, on there.

03:11:15.920 And we don't know about Herschel Walker, you know, he's complicated.

03:11:19.660 But anyway, he's got enough in the win column, you know, to spin it.

03:11:25.680 And let's face it, his ardent fans don't really need to be spun anyway.

03:11:29.980 They're already with him.

03:11:30.940 Like, whatever you say, we're grateful.

03:11:33.140 We owe it all to you.

03:11:35.000 DeSantis owes it all to you.

03:11:36.640 You know, you just proceed as you want.

03:11:38.260 The only way forward is for Trump to decide he doesn't want to run.

03:11:43.560 There's no one who can take him down.

03:11:45.260 Man, I mean, I hate to disagree with you, and I hope that you're wrong, obviously.

03:11:51.680 I think that, you know, because Trump can't hold himself back, he will take a pot shot

03:11:56.320 at DeSantis within the next 48 hours.

03:11:57.980 Oh, yeah.

03:11:58.240 100%.

03:11:58.560 I mean, just without a doubt.

03:12:00.520 And I'm sorry, but the only thing that, I mean, maybe I'm too online or maybe I have

03:12:04.440 too many Republican friends, but the only thing Republicans feel good about tonight is Florida.

03:12:08.740 It's like the only thing that Republicans feel like really good.

03:12:10.720 And I'm not just like, okay, we can console ourselves, we'll do the New York Times calming

03:12:15.940 ourselves by putting our face in cold water thing, and then we'll realize that we have

03:12:19.180 the House.

03:12:19.820 The only thing that people are truly pumped up about is the fact that Florida was great

03:12:22.740 for Republicans tonight.

03:12:23.740 When Trump goes out there within the next week, because he's declaring for the presidency,

03:12:27.180 and he starts just ripping on the only state that did well for Republicans while celebrating

03:12:31.340 Joe O'Day losing in Colorado to a Democrat, like, I...

03:12:34.960 All right.

03:12:35.340 I'm going to make you feel better about that, too.

03:12:35.980 Will sanity, will someone, like, be sane, like, for five seconds?

03:12:40.980 Here's, I got you.

03:12:41.940 I got you, Ben.

03:12:43.000 Here, so I, believe it or not, I recognize all of Donald Trump's flaws.

03:12:47.820 I do.

03:12:49.980 But I, he's polling better and better in these hypothetical matchups against Joe Biden or

03:12:56.700 some hypothetical Democrat.

03:12:57.760 I am not convinced that he cannot beat a Democrat, that he might not, that he's not the best choice

03:13:04.540 to take on that role.

03:13:06.020 He is the 800-pound gorilla.

03:13:08.120 He knows even better than DeSantis how to fight.

03:13:10.720 He's got a way bigger name recognition and some brand loyalty.

03:13:14.760 The GOP will get on board with him.

03:13:17.060 And unlike somebody like DeSantis, if there's a fight, his core faithful will be out there

03:13:21.200 for him.

03:13:21.720 They will get to the polls for Donald Trump.

03:13:23.420 That is fair.

03:13:23.840 And the rest of the Republicans will come home the way they did the last time.

03:13:27.180 And I know that he's a little untethered.

03:13:31.780 But if I could refer you back to the actual policies that he put in place, most of us

03:13:38.680 really like them.

03:13:39.720 So it may be like one of these, again, like, oh, what happened?

03:13:44.700 But, you know, there's, there's something to wrap around yourself when you go to bed tonight,

03:13:49.440 like a Supreme Court justice and taxes and somebody who fights the woke wars that we're

03:13:54.500 all in.

03:13:55.160 There's also just understanding whose movie it is.

03:13:58.240 It is Donald Trump's movie.

03:14:00.000 We are all, but bit, bit parts, right?

03:14:03.620 In the, in the movie that is Donald Trump's movie, his name was right there at the beginning.

03:14:07.180 It said Trump across the screen.

03:14:08.780 And it, their narrative is an actual power that exists in the universe.

03:14:13.860 It's as much a, I don't think that narrative is just something that we create to help us understand

03:14:18.700 the world.

03:14:19.420 I think it's something that exists because the world is the way that it is.

03:14:22.800 And it is Donald Trump's story right up until it isn't.

03:14:26.560 There's, it's, it's never, there are things that have happened in my lifetime in politics

03:14:30.820 that you simply could not have scripted.

03:14:34.000 They would have told you it was too on the nose.

03:14:35.700 You couldn't have made up that on the eve of the election in 2004,

03:14:42.760 literal Osama bin Laden would endorse John Kerry from a cave somewhere in Pakistan.

03:14:51.620 That, that, that our cartoon character president, George W. Bush, would be running against a

03:14:57.340 cartoon adversary, John Kerry, and the super villain from season one would show back up

03:15:02.980 to endorse John Kerry.

03:15:03.980 You can't make that up.

03:15:04.920 Donald Trump's entire life in American politics is just that moment stretched out across now

03:15:11.540 what will be eight years.

03:15:12.840 This goes to what Drew was saying earlier.

03:15:14.700 So if you look at the last series of presidential elections, you could, you could basically divide

03:15:19.040 them into elections that got people to come out to vote for or elections that got people

03:15:23.440 to come out for, to vote against, right?

03:15:26.000 George Bush was never the kind of guy that people were like waving flags.

03:15:29.480 Trump is a vote for candidate.

03:15:30.820 Bobby Kennedy was a vote for candidate.

03:15:33.040 Ronald Reagan was a vote for candidate.

03:15:34.800 Barack Obama was a vote for candidate, right?

03:15:37.080 These are, these are political presidential candidates who people are excited about getting

03:15:41.680 into office.

03:15:42.500 But if you look at the 2004 election, right, it's like, which one of these guys do I like

03:15:46.500 less?

03:15:47.120 And, and I think, I think that the ability to have a vote for president is, is the most important

03:15:54.560 thing.

03:15:56.040 He's not on the ballot tonight.

03:15:57.540 Right.

03:15:58.020 And he's, he's the only person I've seen that gets people to vote.

03:16:03.280 You, well, you've seen his rallies, right?

03:16:04.980 Now, the question is, how wide does that go?

03:16:07.500 And a little discipline would help, but nevertheless, he's a, he's a vote for guy.

03:16:12.620 There are people who, millions of people who are like, I'm in.

03:16:16.200 And, and, and Biden is a vote against guy, right?

03:16:20.980 He was elected to the degree that he was elected in 2020 was, it was a vote against

03:16:24.240 Trump is what got, but nobody, nobody gets up in the morning and goes, I think I'm going

03:16:27.760 to go out and look at pictures of Joe Biden again today because he's not a vote for guy.

03:16:32.020 He's a vote against guy.

03:16:33.360 Yeah.

03:16:33.880 And, and so you kind of have to hold onto your strengths when you got them.

03:16:37.120 So here you've got this vote for guy in Donald Trump.

03:16:39.800 Can we, can we do something to turn down the negatives a little bit?

03:16:42.540 You know, can we, can we just kind of.

03:16:43.820 No.

03:16:44.080 No, no, DeSantis is proving that he's a vote for guy also.

03:16:48.600 But DeSantis is, DeSantis is ad in, in Florida, Ben, the, the one ad that was making all the

03:16:53.040 headway for him was, was the ad of all of these regular people saying he did this, he did

03:16:57.820 this, he, he, he governed, right?

03:16:59.800 He was competent.

03:17:00.640 He produced a, he produced a, a clearly operating functional American state.

03:17:05.860 And, and so you gotta have, gotta have the ability to deliver on that too.

03:17:09.840 Yeah.

03:17:10.060 Well, I totally agree with that.

03:17:11.360 Just going to note a couple more results since, um, I'm in a depressive mood.

03:17:14.880 Uh, the, uh, the Republicans have, have lost Steve Chabot in their, in Ohio district one.

03:17:20.060 So Democrats actually flipped a Republican district in Ohio.

03:17:23.520 So that's not going amazing.

03:17:24.980 I think that we're a little bit early on the, like, well, we're all, you know, I want to

03:17:29.680 keep an eye on Carrie Lake's election in Arizona.

03:17:31.460 It's still very early.

03:17:32.440 That was a very tight race.

03:17:33.420 We're treating that as a foregone conclusion that she gets elected over there.

03:17:36.140 You know, there's, it's, it's way too early to announce whether she's going to get actually

03:17:39.820 elected governor in Arizona.

03:17:42.160 The polls were all over the place.

03:17:43.440 There were some that were showing her up really big against Hobbs and there were ones that

03:17:45.620 were showing her up like very, very narrow against Hobbs.

03:17:47.740 So I'll be curious to see how that one works out as well.

03:17:50.840 Listen, I will acknowledge there are people who love Donald Trump with a fiery passion of

03:17:55.380 a thousand sons.

03:17:56.900 Also, there's not a single human being in the United States who doesn't have an opinion

03:17:59.820 about Donald Trump.

03:18:00.460 That's right.

03:18:01.040 Everyone has an opinion.

03:18:02.220 There are no independents when it comes to Donald Trump.

03:18:04.140 There's no one who's flipping on Donald Trump.

03:18:05.380 The hardest thing in politics is to flip somebody, not from one party to the other, but from

03:18:09.960 a candidate they've already voted not for to that candidate.

03:18:13.360 That is an explicit admission that you did it wrong.

03:18:15.400 And you never see that.

03:18:16.840 It doesn't happen, right?

03:18:17.880 It just doesn't happen in politics.

03:18:19.220 The people are like, you know, that, that Trump, I didn't vote for him in 2020, but gosh

03:18:22.820 darn it, you know, now I've just, I've changed my mind.

03:18:25.060 I've decided it's a completely new ball game and I'm wrong.

03:18:27.460 How many Republicans, I mean, this is exactly what you're seeing inside the Republican party

03:18:29.960 now.

03:18:30.340 How many Republicans are looking at Trump and they're like, I love that guy.

03:18:33.040 And then they're like, man, I just can't, I can't stand it.

03:18:34.900 Like people make up their mind and then their mind is made up.

03:18:37.640 People, people love him because, because no one could tell him what to do.

03:18:40.520 And people hate him because no one could tell him what to do.

03:18:43.800 And, and that's the dichotomy of the guy.

03:18:46.060 That's the, that's the.

03:18:47.620 All I want.

03:18:48.680 And we can, and because we cannot look away.

03:18:51.060 We're sitting here talking about Donald Trump.

03:18:53.500 Trump, he is not even running in any of the races that are actually up for grabs tonight.

03:18:58.820 But he is, but this is the thing.

03:18:59.880 He is.

03:19:00.520 Well, he's running, he is running for president.

03:19:02.100 I'm sorry.

03:19:02.460 He is.

03:19:02.720 He's, I mean, he's running for president across this entire race.

03:19:04.820 He handpicked a bunch of candidates and they all are underperforming so far.

03:19:08.400 You cannot name a Donald Trump candidate who has overperformed so far.

03:19:11.060 Maybe Carrie Lake will.

03:19:11.920 We don't know yet.

03:19:12.680 Maybe Blake Masters will.

03:19:13.720 We don't know yet.

03:19:14.580 But those are the only two left.

03:19:15.980 And there don't, there are no rocket ships anyway.

03:19:17.880 That's exactly right.

03:19:19.280 Every other candidate that he has picked is either going to lose or is going to end up in a runoff.

03:19:24.520 I like Megan better than I like any of you.

03:19:27.140 Megan, leave us with a nice thought before we have to let you get back to your evening.

03:19:31.100 Well, I'm thinking about, you know, Barack Obama, who had no coattails.

03:19:34.060 Barack Obama was very good at getting himself elected, but not so much at getting other people elected.

03:19:38.740 And Trump may be kind of in the same boat.

03:19:41.000 But the thing about Donald Trump is look at America right now.

03:19:44.040 I know you guys, you're into policy.

03:19:46.080 You like what Ron DeSantis is doing in Florida.

03:19:48.140 And I get it, you know, and I get it too.

03:19:50.280 But let's not kid ourselves.

03:19:51.980 Ron DeSantis does not have anywhere near the personality that Donald Trump does.

03:19:57.260 No one does.

03:19:58.580 No one, right?

03:19:59.880 Not any political candidate.

03:20:01.700 And his ability to use humor, to disarm people, to make fun of himself occasionally, you know, to just make people laugh.

03:20:09.600 Don't underestimate that.

03:20:10.960 That is one of the things that made Donald Trump charming in the eyes of millions of Americans who weren't even ready to vote for him.

03:20:17.840 And I will say that this is one area in which he does outshine DeSantis.

03:20:22.040 DeSantis is not like, I saw him smile tonight for like the first time.

03:20:26.220 And, you know, as a woman, I'm kind of out here and I like his policy.

03:20:28.900 All my friends love DeSantis, don't get me wrong.

03:20:31.020 And they would definitely vote for him.

03:20:32.760 But he's not like exactly charming.

03:20:35.860 Trump has got this ability to sort of charm you and make you want to like have dinner with him and get to know him better and like have a beer with him even though he doesn't drink and spend time with him.

03:20:43.580 And the people who know DeSantis well have told me this is his weakness.

03:20:47.460 Like this is the thing that the GOP is going to have to work on with him to make him a little bit more sticky, you know, so that people feel they have something to connect to.

03:20:54.740 So, look, the Republican Party, America, they'll be done with Donald Trump when they're done with Donald Trump.

03:21:01.040 And it is very possible they're not done with Donald Trump.

03:21:04.500 And it's also very possible he's the only man who can beat Joe Biden, who, believe it or not, may still be the next nominee for the Democrats.

03:21:14.600 So, anyway, it's going to work out the way it should.

03:21:17.120 And I'll give you one last thing, referring back to my earlier point.

03:21:21.060 If all hell breaks loose and the Democrats wind up losing the House and losing the Senate tonight, whoever the GOP nominee is on the Republican side will 100 percent win.

03:21:32.800 It'll be so much easier if the Dems maintain power for the next two years in a uniform way.

03:21:37.980 That's awesome. Megan Kelly, thank you very much for spending time with us.

03:21:41.320 See you guys.

03:21:43.000 OK, I got a drink now.

03:21:44.020 And so, Mike Cernovich, OK, who I've had disagreements with Mike Cernovich, he tweeted out 11 minutes ago,

03:21:51.400 Trump has zero shot at 2024 General after tonight.

03:21:53.800 This isn't up for debate.

03:21:54.680 Cernovich, by the way, is like, you want to talk about people who are very on the Trump train?

03:21:58.760 Mike was very on the Trump train.

03:22:00.320 I was around in 2015 when he had no chance and accurately said he'd win through biggest inauguration event in 2017.

03:22:04.920 Times change or he changed or whatever.

03:22:06.780 DeSantis in 2024 or accept total defeat.

03:22:08.740 Like, you're seeing there is a cadre of Trump supporters who are just, they would like to win.

03:22:14.560 And they're not seeing the winning.

03:22:16.180 Trump's entire brand was, I win.

03:22:17.760 And you know what?

03:22:18.240 Since 2016, he has not won.

03:22:20.760 He's not been a good ex-president.

03:22:22.460 I disagree with the idea that Trump, what makes him appealing is that he's charming and you want to spend time with him.

03:22:27.300 I think it's more, I think it's exactly that, that he wins and he gets stuff done.

03:22:31.860 Right.

03:22:32.120 That's the brand.

03:22:33.520 And if DeSantis can demonstrate that he's better at that than Trump.

03:22:37.020 I mean, I know this isn't scientific, but I put a Twitter poll up a couple days ago.

03:22:41.200 Who would make a better general election candidate?

03:22:43.240 150,000 votes.

03:22:45.880 And DeSantis was ahead 76 to 24 percent.

03:22:48.220 Now, I know it's not a scientific poll, but I mean, if I had done that same Twitter poll in 2016 on any other, Trump versus any other candidate, it would have been the reverse.

03:22:56.060 I know, I can't tell whether this is because I've purified my audience of people who only want to hear about how great Donald Trump is.

03:23:02.260 But it used to be I couldn't say anything negative about Trump without people coming down, you know, just coming to my, yeah, you're dead to me.

03:23:10.400 Now, it's just not true anymore, especially when I've said that he's not, you know, he was, he was for three years a great president, a terrific president.

03:23:17.800 But he's not a good ex-president.

03:23:20.420 And this thing where he picks candidates according to whether they support his steel narrative, I don't know how widespread that is.

03:23:29.060 So the answer is to take Ron DeSantis, bronze him up.

03:23:33.200 Yeah.

03:23:33.480 Give him kind of a blonde wig, have him tie his tie a little long in the front, and then run him as Trump, but then govern as DeSantis.

03:23:41.060 Because that's really it, right?

03:23:42.760 It's almost like you want Trump to campaign for DeSantis.

03:23:46.380 That's what you really want.

03:23:47.300 It's like the ideal world.

03:23:48.300 Because DeSantis is clearly a very, very capable governor.

03:23:52.360 Also, I would like to put forward the just minority idea that it's entirely possible that he is not going to announce that he's running whenever he said is new.

03:24:01.160 On the 15th?

03:24:01.840 Yeah.

03:24:02.000 I think that there's an above average chance that he doesn't announce.

03:24:06.760 Yeah.

03:24:06.900 I think what he's going to do on November 15th, more likely, is say everything short of I'm running.

03:24:12.660 Yeah.

03:24:13.120 It would be like, he will essentially just give a campaign speech.

03:24:18.440 Here's what we're going to do.

03:24:20.600 You know, we're going to win.

03:24:22.860 It's going to be all, but he won't actually say I'm running.

03:24:25.060 And I think that it's because up until he legally declares for the presidency, he raises money through his leadership pack.

03:24:32.900 And his leadership pack he can spend.

03:24:34.760 That money is very fungible.

03:24:36.500 He can spend it on himself.

03:24:37.760 He can spend it on his airplane.

03:24:38.840 He can spend it on his clothes.

03:24:40.840 The reason, you've never seen anyone declare for the presidency within two weeks of the midterm, two years out.

03:24:48.760 No one does it.

03:24:49.440 The reason is, once you declare, all of the regulations come in on what you can do with money, on what you can do with media.

03:24:57.420 I mean, there's a real question about, is the existence of truth social an in-kind contribution?

03:25:04.360 These are all considerations he has to make when he declares.

03:25:08.500 It would not be in anyone's interest to declare this early.

03:25:11.900 Actually, least of all, Donald Trump, whose fundraising prowess at this stage is so enormous, whose lifestyle is so expensive.

03:25:21.880 Now, what he wants to do is clear the field right from the beginning.

03:25:25.040 He thinks if he doesn't declare now, other people are going to start getting in.

03:25:28.840 That's the thing that he wants to avoid.

03:25:30.580 But I don't know that he wants that more than he wants the money for the next 12 months.

03:25:34.740 I have to say, I have to just point out for me.

03:25:37.260 And the showman in him, any showman knows that ultimately the key to this is the tease, right?

03:25:43.060 That's what showmen are really selling.

03:25:45.260 They're selling this kind of ambiguity.

03:25:46.960 It's like, you think I'm going to do this?

03:25:48.520 Probably a little bit.

03:25:49.280 I might not.

03:25:50.200 And it keeps people interested.

03:25:51.880 He's got an incredible sense of that kind of...

03:25:53.980 He does have a good sense of timing.

03:25:55.000 And I think that if he has any brains at all when it comes to timing, which we know he does,

03:25:58.660 he's got to imagine that people are not going to be in love with him at this very instant.

03:26:03.300 Like, if he announces next week, there's going to be a widespread yawning and kind of an annoyance.

03:26:10.120 Republicans are not going to be in a good mood after tonight.

03:26:12.520 Not the way this election is going.

03:26:14.040 And so the idea that what's going to put them in a good mood is Donald Trump declaring seems quite flawed at best.

03:26:19.660 By the way, single best election analysis I've seen is it looks like Republicans ran a bunch of good candidates.

03:26:23.200 This is from a guy named Galen Orsic.

03:26:25.180 He says, it seems like Republicans ran a bunch of good candidates in a lot of Biden double-digit seats and came up just short

03:26:29.740 and ran crap candidates in many single-digit seats and came up short likewise.

03:26:33.260 Meaning, like, when they thought that it was close, they thought, no problem, we got this.

03:26:36.480 They ran a bunch of weak candidates.

03:26:37.600 When they thought that it was outside the margin of error, they were like,

03:26:40.020 we better run a super strong candidate in this district.

03:26:42.260 And then because it was outside margin of error, they came up just short.

03:26:44.140 That seems bad accurate to me.

03:26:45.280 You know, that reminds me of stamps.

03:26:47.300 Wow.

03:26:48.640 That wasn't even an attempt at a segue.

03:26:51.420 That's what I'm thinking about.

03:26:53.240 Stamps, you know, with widespread mail-in voting, you'd think election season would be the most important time for postage.

03:26:59.620 But in the coming weeks, it's about to be even more critical.

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03:28:48.380 Gentlemen, it's good to join you again.

03:28:50.100 I think I'm here now as the cherub prince.

03:28:53.280 I'm not the god king, but I am the cherub prince, and I've been gone now for, whatever, 20, 30 minutes.

03:28:59.120 It was pleasurable.

03:29:00.020 It was.

03:29:00.820 I thought it was kind of peaceful here.

03:29:02.420 Did we...

03:29:03.240 Has the tsunami taken place since I've been gone?

03:29:06.020 Not only has the tsunami not taken place, my friend, it turns out that Republicans are poised to lose another seat in North Carolina.

03:29:11.540 It was an open seat, and it looks like Republican Bo Hines was favored there, and it looks like he's about to lose to it.

03:29:15.620 Bo is actually a friend of mine.

03:29:17.480 Well, it doesn't look like he's going to be a congressman.

03:29:19.420 Ah!

03:29:20.180 And is Lauren is having trouble?

03:29:21.920 Lauren Boebert?

03:29:22.460 Lauren Boebert is also in serious trouble in Colorado.

03:29:24.820 Gosh.

03:29:25.240 There is actually a not insignificant possibility that Republicans do not take the House, which would just be unbelievable.

03:29:33.520 Right now, the famed New York Times needle still says that the Republicans have a 75% shot at retaining control of the House.

03:29:41.680 The chance of winning Senate control is starting to lean toward the Democrats.

03:29:46.520 That was a 93% shot at the beginning of the night.

03:29:49.140 Right, so all these elections, there are a lot of elections that should not be going in the Democrat direction that are going in the Democrat direction.

03:29:54.880 I'm also seeing reported by Daily Wire, so, you know, take it with a grain of salt.

03:29:58.780 But I just saw on Twitter that Dr. Oz plans to address supporters momentarily.

03:30:03.660 I did see that.

03:30:04.340 And so he's down right now.

03:30:06.380 He's down, it's not, he's not down by a ton, but he's down by a significant margin with a lot, with 77%, I think, of the votes in now.

03:30:13.600 Now, that's going to be the talk of the town tomorrow, I assume, if Dr. Oz loses to a man with brain damage.

03:30:20.640 I mean, that will be the headline, right?

03:30:23.280 What about Tudor Dixon versus Gretchen Whitmer?

03:30:25.400 I haven't seen any results there yet.

03:30:27.020 I do have one piece of good news, because it's since I've been like Debbie Downer all night.

03:30:30.340 It started off real positive, and then it just has been all one direction since.

03:30:33.360 But one piece of good news is that the Republicans flipped New York 17, 18, 19.

03:30:38.320 17, baby!

03:30:40.080 All right, good night.

03:30:41.140 I'm just, I'm so happy.

03:30:43.360 I worked that race where Sean Maloney beat, kicked out my good Republican friend, Nan Hayworth, and then he just took it over, and he's just this slimy Clinton Democrat.

03:30:53.280 And then he took over the Democrat Congressional Committee, and he's out.

03:30:56.640 The guy who planned the Democrats' House strategy, boom, lost his own seat.

03:31:01.440 That's a huge win.

03:31:02.200 So they took up the three seats?

03:31:02.500 They flipped New York 17, 18, 19.

03:31:05.120 Awesome.

03:31:05.540 And they flipped Iowa 3.

03:31:07.060 Democrats flipped Ohio 1, and they won that open North Carolina seat.

03:31:11.420 I was just talking about Zeldin is done against Hochul.

03:31:13.760 But Zeldin's performance did lift those up.

03:31:16.180 Yes, he did.

03:31:16.820 He did.

03:31:17.200 That was sort of the...

03:31:18.500 That was kind of the idea.

03:31:19.620 Yeah, that's exactly right.

03:31:20.780 So you can win almost anywhere if you've got a good candidate, good ground game, discipline on the message, good messaging.

03:31:27.460 You know, you were talking earlier about the media, how every candidate who was kind of a shaky candidate in the Tea Party days put together real shaky ads.

03:31:35.500 You know, you have to be able to tell people what you're about.

03:31:38.900 I think one thing that's worth noting here is that also, you know, there have been a lot of elections where a bunch of crap Republicans kind of got swept into the House on these giant waves.

03:31:47.740 Here I'm thinking about 2010 where Republicans picked up 63 seats famously.

03:31:51.240 The baseline of them winning the 63 seats before that is that they had like 170 seats in the House.

03:31:56.900 They ended up with a majority of about 230 after that 63-seat swing.

03:32:02.140 And so what that meant is that necessarily it was almost regression to the mean for the Democrats.

03:32:07.520 The Democrats had an oversized majority.

03:32:09.440 And so when the Republicans came in and they took 60 seats, they ended up with 230-odd seats.

03:32:13.280 If Republicans end up with a bare majority, is what I was saying at the beginning of the night as far as the red trickle,

03:32:17.280 when Republicans end up winning 15, 20 seats, they still end up with the majority.

03:32:21.880 What that means is that they're actually in territory where it's a little harder to win those seats.

03:32:26.040 Meaning that the regression doesn't exist as much, right?

03:32:28.560 You're not talking about Democrats existing in R-plus-10 districts.

03:32:32.440 You're talking about Democrats existing in D-plus-3 districts or R-plus-3 districts.

03:32:37.480 And it's harder to win in those districts.

03:32:38.860 You have to run better candidates.

03:32:39.920 And so Republicans were running as though it was going to be an easy election because of the size of the wave.

03:32:44.820 But simple stats would suggest that it actually wasn't that.

03:32:47.700 They weren't going to get 40 seats.

03:32:48.700 They weren't going to get 50 seats even at the outside.

03:32:50.980 Like a great night would have been them getting 30 seats.

03:32:52.880 I don't think they're going to hit that.

03:32:54.260 They may not hit 20 at this rate.

03:32:55.600 I mean, there wasn't a single – I don't think there was a single Democrat Senate candidate running in a place where Trump won.

03:33:03.720 I think they had all of – they were all on their own – on their home territory.

03:33:07.320 Yeah, that's right.

03:33:07.960 That's right.

03:33:08.760 There's 14.

03:33:09.900 14 of the Republicans were running in Biden's states.

03:33:12.360 Big Latino shifts and some black shifts.

03:33:14.760 So we've said earlier that those appear to be people who are running from the Democratic Party, not so much running toward the Republican Party.

03:33:21.560 But certainly significant numbers of people tonight voted Republican either for the first time in their lives or for the first time in a long time.

03:33:27.700 So how do you hold on to those people?

03:33:29.660 You know, if they're running away from what the Democratic Party has become, that's nice.

03:33:34.680 But it would be especially nice if we had something to present to them that would –

03:33:39.500 You know, it would be a mistake, by the way.

03:33:41.520 DeSantis, no doubt, a competent, you know, highly competent governor.

03:33:46.840 But he did some very bold social moves.

03:33:49.860 I mean, this Disney thing.

03:33:50.820 Yeah, man.

03:33:51.720 And when he did that thing with Disney, the Republicans were whining about it.

03:33:56.060 I don't know.

03:33:56.420 Oh, man, no.

03:33:56.800 And I thought, no, this is a good move.

03:33:59.100 I agreed that it was a good move.

03:34:01.260 The thing about DeSantis is that he had established such unbelievable credibility with the public in Florida that they were willing to go along with him in picking social issues.

03:34:10.100 It didn't look like a distraction from his governance.

03:34:11.900 It looked like an addition to his governance.

03:34:13.780 Very often what you'll see from politicians –

03:34:15.020 It's holistic. That's what I'm saying.

03:34:15.440 Yeah.

03:34:15.740 Very often you'll see from politicians, like, I'm doing a crap job governing.

03:34:18.500 Therefore, here's a red meat issue.

03:34:20.400 And they just throw it out there.

03:34:21.420 You see it from Democrats with abortion.

03:34:22.580 You see it from Republicans sometimes on sort of fringe – things that are considered fringe social issues.

03:34:27.640 For DeSantis, it was part and parcel of his broader agenda, which is, I stand with parents.

03:34:32.280 And that was built on top of the, I'm not going to force you to mask your kids.

03:34:35.560 I'm not going to take your kids out of school.

03:34:37.120 I'm going to make sure that your kids aren't forced to get a vax.

03:34:39.220 I'm going to do all of these things for you.

03:34:41.300 And on top of that, I'm going to make sure your kids aren't indoctrinated.

03:34:43.580 And he did it.

03:34:44.260 And he did it.

03:34:45.000 And that's why, again, they would do these polls in Florida, and the National Democrats would be like, this is so crazy, it's so radical.

03:34:51.140 And then they'd poll these issues in Florida, and they'd find these were actually real popular issues in Florida.

03:34:55.320 But it's a different thing when Ron DeSantis, very competent governor who's able to handle a hurricane, does it, versus when Doug Mastriano, quasi-crazy person, apparently, does it in Pennsylvania.

03:35:06.200 And when Doug Mastriano campaigns on that, people are like, well, yeah, but that's also attached to, like, all this other stuff that you're saying over here.

03:35:13.280 It's an adjunct to sort of the main event.

03:35:16.640 But to Bill's point, you know, the press, whatever you do as a Republican, the press are going to ask you, well, what about a 12-year-old girl who gets pregnant when she's raped by her father?

03:35:27.040 Right.

03:35:27.260 And they're going to ask you those questions.

03:35:29.140 And I think that those are the things, every Republican who gets that question, anybody could have told me he was going to get that question.

03:35:35.440 They're all like, yeah, you know.

03:35:37.500 And you have to have a holistic approach.

03:35:39.720 You're absolutely right about this, Ben.

03:35:41.200 And we have no argument about the competence issue, and I think it's everything with a politician.

03:35:45.920 These guys aren't supposed to be executives.

03:35:48.600 They're supposed to run things.

03:35:49.740 You know, they're supposed to run the thing that they're given.

03:35:52.420 But you have to have a holistic, a visionary kind of approach.

03:35:55.560 This is where I think that the – I keep coming back to the same theme of competence because I think that the Democrats' pitch on democracy doesn't hold, and it wasn't going to hold.

03:36:03.380 But the one thing it did is it made some people in the Republican Party look clownish.

03:36:08.180 And when you're able to make the other party look clownish –

03:36:10.720 It's always good.

03:36:11.480 It's a very positive thing for your own party, right?

03:36:14.400 The whole art of politics is make it very difficult to vote for your opponent and make it very easy to vote for you.

03:36:18.400 Yeah.

03:36:19.000 And the Democrats did not make it easy to vote for themselves, but they did make it kind of hard to vote for some of the Republicans, right?

03:36:25.120 They did a fairly good job at labeling some of the Republicans, and the Republicans did a good job of falling right into those boxes sometimes.

03:36:30.100 In competitive House races, in a lot of these Senate races.

03:36:34.680 And Republicans need to understand that it's easy to make it hard to vote for the Democrats.

03:36:39.540 That part's the easy part because what they're doing is so crazy and so nutty.

03:36:42.920 But you actually have to make it really easy to vote for you.

03:36:45.620 And what makes it easy to vote for you is that you appear as though you can do the job.

03:36:49.800 You don't appear as though your chief mechanism is attention-getting.

03:36:54.240 Or mean.

03:36:55.700 Or mean.

03:36:56.500 When Carrie Lake deferred to that woman whose son had died –

03:36:59.580 I'm not going to –

03:37:00.660 I agree.

03:37:01.120 You can even outlast some of the sort of more fringy positions that are perceived, like the election stuff from Carrie Lake.

03:37:07.600 You can outlive that if you are perceived as not mean.

03:37:10.560 If you are perceived as baseline competent.

03:37:12.300 Ronald Reagan, you could hate everything Reagan stood for, but it's virtually impossible to hate the guy because he just didn't carry any venom with him.

03:37:18.740 You know, it was just clearly a good-natured guy.

03:37:21.620 I mean, that's the Oz campaign.

03:37:23.020 So the Oz campaign is not about anything other than he just appeared feckless.

03:37:28.040 He appeared incompetent, right?

03:37:29.320 He was getting hit with crudités in your houses in Pennsylvania.

03:37:33.980 And he wasn't super well-versed on the issues.

03:37:37.340 And Fetterman's a – I mean, just put aside his physical condition.

03:37:40.480 The dude's a clown.

03:37:41.480 He's a lifelong clown.

03:37:42.440 I mean, like, he's been, as I've said before, a career useless person who's been living on his parents' money while being mayor of a city that has 1,800 people in it.

03:37:50.380 Okay?

03:37:50.700 Literally, my HOA has more people than John Fetterman's city that he was mayor of.

03:37:55.220 If I were mayor of my HOA, I would have –

03:37:57.300 Doesn't it conflict with your point, though?

03:37:59.780 I mean, why are they able to run a clown and win?

03:38:03.300 Oz had no – he also had – what was his campaign about?

03:38:06.080 It had no message.

03:38:07.000 That's the answer.

03:38:07.680 A lot of these Republicans, that's the question, what is your campaign actually about?

03:38:14.080 What's the national message of the Republican Party?

03:38:16.660 Well, so this ties into this question of leadership.

03:38:19.480 And we all know tomorrow – well, we know that we're going to get one presidential candidate next week.

03:38:23.740 But the question is, who is the kingmaker?

03:38:25.740 So just before I came on, I overheard the chatter about, you know, Trump as kingmaker seems to be weakening because some of his candidates didn't do very well.

03:38:35.480 Then that raises the question, is DeSantis the kingmaker?

03:38:38.640 DeSantis' pick in Colorado, who Trump snubbed, he lost.

03:38:42.280 Joe Odea – I don't even know how to pronounce the guy's name.

03:38:45.080 It wasn't DeSantis' pick.

03:38:46.380 But he endorsed him, and Trump wouldn't endorse him.

03:38:48.780 We're all talking about –

03:38:49.600 Wait, so DeSantis – so your case in favor of Donald Trump being good at endorsing people –

03:38:54.040 No, no, no.

03:38:54.360 I'm not making that case at all.

03:38:55.580 Celebrated the loss of a Democrat – of a Republican –

03:38:57.800 No, no, no.

03:38:58.080 But I'm not making that case at all.

03:38:59.140 I'm just saying that we've said here on the show, Donald Trump is kingmaker.

03:39:04.140 He's done.

03:39:05.060 So then the question is, who's the kingmaker?

03:39:07.020 The next natural person would be Ron DeSantis.

03:39:10.000 But one of the picks where Ron DeSantis diverged from Donald Trump was this race in Colorado.

03:39:15.180 That guy lost too.

03:39:16.260 So is DeSantis the kingmaker?

03:39:17.860 Is someone else the kingmaker?

03:39:19.380 He's the governor of a state.

03:39:20.400 In his state, he cleaned the hell up.

03:39:22.400 I think the fact that we're having this conversation is an indication for why we don't win as much as we should.

03:39:27.080 Because we're talking about candidates, and we're not talking about the message.

03:39:30.780 We're talking about which person, what person.

03:39:32.940 Without questioning your points about you have to have effective candidates, yes.

03:39:37.980 But ultimately, if you think about it, if you look at the Democratic Party, you have Fetterman who's got serious brain impairment.

03:39:45.160 So does Dianne Feinstein.

03:39:46.360 So does Nancy Pelosi.

03:39:47.720 So does Joe Biden.

03:39:48.960 Kamala Harris was just born stupid.

03:39:50.240 But people continue to vote for them because they're not voting for them.

03:39:55.260 They're voting for the message.

03:39:56.280 They're voting for what that thing is.

03:39:58.180 They know what it is, and they vote for it.

03:40:00.660 And they vote for it despite the fact that they're voting for Joe Biden.

03:40:04.900 There's nobody out there thinking Joe Biden's awesome.

03:40:06.940 They're voting for Biden because of what his message is.

03:40:11.340 I happen to disagree with that message, but I know what it is.

03:40:14.200 If you say woke policy to me, I know exactly what that means.

03:40:18.820 How would you describe Republican policy?

03:40:21.640 What would you say?

03:40:23.520 Yeah, well, different races are different, but I guess that's why I'm asking this question.

03:40:27.160 What's the national message?

03:40:28.600 Well, it diverges, and you're seeing that play out in different races.

03:40:31.040 But that's why I'm asking the question about leadership.

03:40:33.080 So looking, forget about even the presidential contest, just who is leading the Republican Party?

03:40:38.400 You remember after George Bush, the Democrats had this line.

03:40:42.940 They said, Rush Limbaugh is the de facto leader of the Republican Party.

03:40:46.700 And, you know, Rush was fabulous, but that was just a campaign line from Democrats.

03:40:51.060 So I'm just, that is my question.

03:40:52.880 Well, DeSantis doesn't have to be kingmaker because he's the governor.

03:40:55.720 I mean, that should be Trump because he's not currently in office.

03:40:58.700 That's typically he'd be fulfilling that role.

03:41:01.120 But if he's not, then who is?

03:41:02.980 Well, maybe there isn't one.

03:41:04.060 But I think one of the problems the Republicans have is that, right, to your point, I mean, with a lot of these Democrats, at least from the public perception side of it, they know what their candidates are about.

03:41:15.820 And even if they seem to be kind of crazy, they sort of believe what they're saying.

03:41:19.440 I think with Republicans, the public perception is that there are more Republican politicians or candidates who are just kind of out there saying stuff.

03:41:27.400 Yes.

03:41:28.200 And they're just, that's all they're doing.

03:41:29.900 Like, Oz is a perfect example of just a guy out there just saying whatever.

03:41:34.060 And I think the Republicans have more of that.

03:41:37.100 At least the public perceives the Republican Party has more of that.

03:41:40.320 Also, there was also a timing issue.

03:41:42.500 So in the Oz race, if you actually watch the dynamics of the Oz race, Fetterman opened this massive lead early.

03:41:47.700 Huge lead on Oz, like right out of the gate.

03:41:49.680 And the reason is because he spent a lot of money attacking Oz and wrecking him right out the gate.

03:41:56.520 The campaign opened and he was like, I'm going to label Oz.

03:41:59.160 You watched Oz's unfavorables go just sky high almost immediately.

03:42:02.560 And so then Oz spends the rest of the race trying to drag himself back into the race.

03:42:07.020 So the question is, you know, why are people voting for Fetterman?

03:42:09.820 The answer is they weren't.

03:42:10.580 They were voting against Oz because this is a mistake that Republicans routinely make, by the way.

03:42:14.260 Trump doesn't make this.

03:42:15.000 This is the one thing where, like, Trump actually, he'll never let anybody wreck him before he wrecks them.

03:42:18.800 He plays bumper cars really well.

03:42:21.420 And so if he feels even the threat of somebody, this is why he's preempting DeSantis right now.

03:42:25.940 He immediately goes out there and he hits them first.

03:42:28.420 But Republicans have a nasty habit of thinking, don't worry, people don't pay attention until the last month of the election.

03:42:33.780 And that's when I'll claw my way back in.

03:42:35.600 And by that point, you're trying to recharacterize your own candidacy.

03:42:38.180 And if you're a bad candidate, it's impossible to recharacterize your own candidacy.

03:42:41.040 I maintain that this entire discussion is tactics.

03:42:43.980 And I'm talking strategy.

03:42:45.640 That's fair.

03:42:45.920 Tens of millions of people voted for Joe Biden because they love Bobby Kennedy.

03:42:51.460 Right?

03:42:52.420 That's the answer.

03:42:53.760 They're voting for Joe Biden because of the love that they had for Bobby Kennedy.

03:42:57.600 And that message has been consistent.

03:43:01.140 It's diverged, but it's been consistent.

03:43:03.280 You said, well, the messaging is kind of varying depending on the candidate.

03:43:05.960 Well, it shouldn't.

03:43:07.200 Right?

03:43:07.520 It shouldn't.

03:43:08.300 There is a cause that we all believe in that the reason we're sitting in these chairs.

03:43:12.420 There's a big difference between, you know, Oz runs a chamber of commerce race.

03:43:16.560 I'm going to lower your taxes and sell the culture down the river.

03:43:19.420 And J.D. Vance and Blake Masters run these extremely cultural, nationally minded, pro-family campaigns.

03:43:27.100 And who knows?

03:43:27.660 Blake right now doesn't seem to be doing very well.

03:43:29.360 J.D. obviously won the race.

03:43:30.380 So, but those messages are quite divergent.

03:43:33.840 Yeah, but mourning in America with Ronald Reagan in 84, your 5,000 votes, a complete sweep, everything.

03:43:41.520 And you've got make America great again in 2016.

03:43:44.720 These are positive messages.

03:43:47.060 And they're clear.

03:43:47.820 We know what it means.

03:43:48.800 They're not policy messages.

03:43:50.860 They're virtually spiritual messages.

03:43:52.840 Right?

03:43:53.280 This is the key to victory.

03:43:56.080 And all you have to do is just look at the scoreboard.

03:43:57.540 You look at the electoral map for Reagan's two wins, right?

03:44:01.660 It's unbelievable.

03:44:03.260 And it's because he came out here, he came into the race with very few negatives compared to Trump.

03:44:09.120 He wasn't nearly as annoying as Trump could be.

03:44:11.320 But mostly he came out with, I have a vision for America that's a better place.

03:44:17.080 He didn't come out running against Hubert Humphrey or Johnson or Carter.

03:44:21.380 He didn't even be running against him.

03:44:22.240 Basically, Carter wasn't even there.

03:44:23.600 It's like, you've had your chance.

03:44:24.700 He came out with this, it's morning in America.

03:44:27.360 We can always renew this nation.

03:44:29.100 It's not the end of our days.

03:44:30.800 It's not our finest hour.

03:44:31.880 We're just getting started.

03:44:33.060 And that resonated with everybody.

03:44:35.920 Everybody.

03:44:36.840 And so there are people who are still voting Republican because of how much they love Ronald Reagan.

03:44:40.540 And the thing about Donald Trump is he has the ability to generate tremendous excitement because people believe he's not beholden to anybody.

03:44:50.400 And I believe that, too, certainly.

03:44:52.740 But the one thing that seems to be missing is that kind of almost like that happy warrior commitment to the sunrise instead of this kind of, you know, sniping at people.

03:45:02.920 Well, I mean, sort of the locus of his attention is not the principle.

03:45:05.900 The locus of attention is him.

03:45:07.820 And in 2016, it seemed like it was more to principle because he actually got caught up in it.

03:45:11.980 And I think that since then, since 2020 particularly, because of the election, I think that the locus of attention has been inward focused.

03:45:17.860 And it's been a real problem for him.

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03:46:36.920 Slash election.

03:46:38.760 That's a great thing to do online.

03:46:40.860 Another great thing to do online, peruse social media, though sometimes it makes us pull our hair out.

03:46:46.160 So fortunately, we have two lovely ladies doing it for us.

03:46:49.340 Ladies, what's going on on the Twitters, etc.?

03:46:52.240 Okay, guys, obviously this red wave is not necessarily going exactly as we thought it would,

03:46:58.120 but I can't say that the Dems, like, are all that happy about it online.

03:47:02.160 No, because as we know, you can never please the left.

03:47:04.760 They will always be angry about something.

03:47:06.160 You can never please the mob.

03:47:07.820 So this Twitter account, I'm not sure if it's a troll or not, but this just caught my attention, says,

03:47:13.560 As a gender-fluid lesbian, I do not feel safe living in the U.S.

03:47:17.600 This is why I always carry a knife with me.

03:47:20.720 I still can't decide whether or not to move to Canada or Sweden, but at least those two are better than here.

03:47:26.540 Which, okay, again, this could be a troll, but the fact that...

03:47:29.740 The fact that we don't know is the scary part.

03:47:31.880 Unbelievable.

03:47:32.780 Unbelievable.

03:47:32.980 There's also something else that I found that was sort of appalling, but it was interesting.

03:47:36.540 At a polling station, this is what it looked like.

03:47:39.580 And if you see this picture, it's just a bunch of rainbow flags.

03:47:41.740 And I feel like there's one, I don't know, there's one flag that seems to be missing from this photo.

03:47:44.980 And it's just crazy thinking about the Georgia voting laws and the fact that, like, campaigns couldn't give people, you know, water, and yet this is allowed.

03:47:52.620 Yes.

03:47:52.980 And speaking of Georgia, there was something funny that Stacey Abrams posted, which is this.

03:47:57.620 Little Miss future governor of the great state of Georgia.

03:48:00.180 R.I.P.

03:48:00.860 And then, swipe, seems kind of reminiscent of something else we saw a couple years ago.

03:48:04.760 Happy birthday to this future president.

03:48:07.280 Both of which didn't end up turning out in their favor.

03:48:09.680 So tough.

03:48:10.500 So tough.

03:48:11.560 But I feel like there's one thing that we really need to talk about tonight.

03:48:14.480 This stood out above them all.

03:48:16.500 Thankfully, comfortably smug made us aware of it.

03:48:19.940 LOL.

03:48:20.580 New York Times telling Dems to literally breathe like a baby to cope.

03:48:25.020 To cope.

03:48:25.780 And we should walk through a few of these quick steps because we find it incredibly interesting.

03:48:29.100 Thank you, New York Times, also, just for helping me through this evening.

03:48:34.040 So the first tip is to try five-finger breathing.

03:48:37.640 Trace the outside of your hand with your pointer finger.

03:48:40.480 When you trace up, breathe in.

03:48:42.900 When you trace down, breathe out.

03:48:45.400 You can't make this stuff up.

03:48:46.860 They also said, cool down.

03:48:48.160 Plunge your face into a bowl with ice water for 15 to 30 seconds.

03:48:51.980 You should get a bowl of ice.

03:48:53.880 Guys, remember the ice bucket challenge?

03:48:55.720 That's what New York Times is asking you to do.

03:48:57.840 They're telling us to move, to walk around.

03:48:59.720 This is my favorite one.

03:49:00.660 Breathe like a baby.

03:49:01.560 What does that mean?

03:49:02.920 They elaborate.

03:49:04.300 Focus on expanding your belly as you breathe, which can send more oxygen to your brain.

03:49:08.940 See, this is the difference between the left and the right, is that things might go our

03:49:12.880 way or might not go exactly as we planned, and yet I can still breathe.

03:49:17.560 Yeah.

03:49:17.960 We don't need a step-by-step on how to function.

03:49:20.380 And then it says, limit your scrolling.

03:49:22.920 Consider plotting out specific times when you will look for election updates.

03:49:27.160 Yes.

03:49:27.720 So apparently spending too much time on Twitter is not necessarily a good thing, according

03:49:31.820 to New York Times.

03:49:32.600 Apparently not.

03:49:34.060 Which is good for us.

03:49:35.300 We should probably step away from our screens for a little bit, and we'll send it back to

03:49:38.440 you guys after a short commercial.

03:49:41.180 We're fighting for people who cannot fight for themselves and shouldn't have to.

03:49:48.980 Public schools covered up the rape of a 14-year-old girl at the hands of a boy wearing a skirt.

03:49:53.560 They arrested the father of the victim.

03:49:55.460 Students are being exposed to pornography in schools.

03:49:58.560 One book describes a fourth-grade boy performing oral sex on an adult male.

03:50:02.900 The transgender stuff, it's just demonic.

03:50:05.320 We are talking about things they don't want to talk about.

03:50:07.780 F*** people!

03:50:09.160 A man cannot become a woman.

03:50:11.240 A woman cannot become a man.

03:50:12.520 Gender-affirming health care is a euphemism.

03:50:14.300 It's taking your sex, and it is denying it.

03:50:15.720 It's pretending your sex does not exist.

03:50:17.060 It was about four years ago when I first posed the question,

03:50:20.260 What is a woman?

03:50:21.360 What is a woman?

03:50:22.320 What is a woman?

03:50:23.080 That's a great question.

03:50:25.860 We have exposed to Vanderbilt's child mutilation practices.

03:50:29.200 We're going to pass this bill, and it's going to be illegal in this state.

03:50:31.960 That's going to happen.

03:50:32.840 We have made sexual indoctrination of children and medical child abuse enormous national issues.

03:50:39.480 We're not going to rest until every child is protected from this madness.

03:50:44.800 I think there are a lot of different things that President Trump did for the country

03:50:59.760 that will be long remembered making America energy independent

03:51:04.620 and putting pressure on other countries to step up.

03:51:08.540 He said some crazy stuff during the campaign.

03:51:11.980 I thought, there's no way in hell this guy's going to be president of the United States.

03:51:15.920 People did not know what to expect.

03:51:17.360 Because remember, you're the first president in U.S. history to have zero political experience.

03:51:22.780 Observe, protect, and defend.

03:51:24.460 American energy that's helping make our economy the envy of the world.

03:51:28.800 President Trump represented an existential threat to the corrupt political class.

03:51:35.960 This is the moment.

03:51:37.680 This is a major turning point moment.

03:51:40.780 Why do you keep calling this the Chinese virus?

03:51:43.700 It comes from China.

03:51:45.700 These are acts of domestic terror.

03:51:49.280 It was the most consequential presidency.

03:51:51.240 Stay loose.

03:51:53.880 Be cool.

03:51:55.140 Watch what's going to happen.

03:52:03.840 And we're back.

03:52:05.120 We're happy to be here joining you for our 2022 election coverage here at The Daily Wire.

03:52:09.360 That's an overstatement.

03:52:10.200 It goes on and on and on and on.

03:52:13.000 Here where we are in Middle Tennessee, it's after 11 o'clock, I think,

03:52:18.240 and we're trying to decide how long do we go.

03:52:20.200 Some of these votes may not be counted tonight.

03:52:22.060 But I haven't given you all the bad news.

03:52:23.500 Would you like more bad news?

03:52:24.900 I've got plenty of it.

03:52:26.000 Ben has lots of dour news for us.

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03:53:16.720 I think no ex-president in the history of the country has ever given such unfettered access

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03:53:26.240 It really is a remarkable thing.

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03:54:54.160 You've seen it with the work Matt's been doing.

03:54:56.380 Even at the Statehouse a month ago with his Stop the Mutilation Rally, I mean, we are, there's teeth to what we're doing.

03:55:04.680 It's not just vanity, although some of it is just my own vanity.

03:55:09.700 I will confess that every now and then you start a razor company just so you can feel like a really cool guy.

03:55:16.460 Fight back against the SOBs over at Harry's.

03:55:19.660 Tonight's not going exactly the way that we had all hoped.

03:55:21.760 We thought maybe at the beginning of the night there could be.

03:55:24.340 It sucks, man.

03:55:24.460 It just sucks.

03:55:25.460 It sucks.

03:55:26.940 You know, to be, I'm not going to be the voice of optimism, but, you know, if we do take the House, even if it's by three seats.

03:55:36.720 And I know the fact that we have to say if is crazy.

03:55:38.960 Yeah, it's crazy.

03:55:39.920 This is nuts.

03:55:40.820 And I don't think, I mean, the Senate, we could still take the Senate.

03:55:43.360 And if, even if we take them both by one seat, that is a big win and that actually does impede Joe Biden.

03:55:50.480 And it's not what we wanted, but.

03:55:52.760 So what if we lose?

03:55:53.660 Is that also a big win?

03:55:55.440 Losing is not winning.

03:55:56.760 I would like to push back in a negative direction for Jane.

03:56:00.260 You know, because I was listening to Megan and she's a really smart lady.

03:56:04.640 She really is incisive when she's talking about these things.

03:56:07.400 But, you know, these guys, the Democrats need to be rebuked and they're not going to be rebuked in the way they should have been.

03:56:14.920 And I don't really know.

03:56:16.360 I think, yeah, part of that is badly picked, some badly picked candidates.

03:56:19.980 But I don't know if that's the whole story.

03:56:21.680 I think that there is just a confusion and a division in the Republican Party that is not ready for the fight at hand.

03:56:29.820 These guys, everything the Democrats touch turns to crap.

03:56:33.360 Every single thing they put their fingers on get worse.

03:56:35.760 This has been true for 60, 70 years.

03:56:38.340 They, you know, who is a Jason Reilly wrote that book about blacks saying, please stop helping us.

03:56:45.500 You know, I think we could all say that to the Democrats.

03:56:47.560 Please stop helping us.

03:56:48.780 You know, just leave us alone because you make everything worse.

03:56:51.180 And yet, and yet the electorate has not rebuked them in the manner they've deserved.

03:56:57.180 And I think that that's a bad thing.

03:56:58.960 I mean, I think that, like, I think we're still going to take the House.

03:57:02.340 I think we have a chance at the Senate.

03:57:03.880 But it's going to be a lot less in the House than it's probably going to be your trickle numbers.

03:57:08.600 I mean, it's like right now.

03:57:10.040 Yeah.

03:57:10.280 We're talking like they're forecasting seven seats.

03:57:13.960 Maybe.

03:57:14.620 Seven seats, less than 10 seats.

03:57:16.760 I think it's going to be more than 10 seats.

03:57:18.820 Well, it's the job of the Republicans to articulate what that rebuke is supposed to be exactly.

03:57:22.380 I agree with you.

03:57:23.180 And they didn't do that.

03:57:24.400 And to go back to what we were saying before, it really comes down to what is your message?

03:57:29.520 What's the Republican Party's message?

03:57:30.860 What does it stand for?

03:57:31.760 These candidates, what do they stand for?

03:57:33.900 And I just, the curse of the Republican Party has been this way for years now.

03:57:38.180 is these candidates, you listen to them talk, and I just don't, I don't, they're just saying things.

03:57:44.100 I don't believe that they believe anything they're saying.

03:57:46.480 They're just sort of talking at random.

03:57:48.740 And, you know, picking up talking points, whatever works, and they say it.

03:57:52.960 I mean, of course, that's, all politicians do that to a certain extent.

03:57:55.180 Yeah, Biden, Schumer, Pelosi.

03:57:56.820 I mean, that's true of them, too, I think.

03:57:58.400 It's worse than the Republicans, I think.

03:58:01.920 And, you know, I go back, I always go back to the fact that, you know, they hate, the GOP hated Reagan.

03:58:07.300 They didn't want him.

03:58:08.320 The minute he was gone, I mean, obviously Bush was vice president, but they kind of pushed Bush on him to begin with.

03:58:13.300 And you got this mediocrity.

03:58:14.540 I mean, the Bushes, both Bushes were good people.

03:58:18.380 I like them personally, but they were not conservatives.

03:58:21.460 As Buckley said, they were conservative, but they were not a conservative.

03:58:25.960 Yeah, right.

03:58:26.420 And that made all the difference.

03:58:28.400 And I think that, you know, when you think about the Mitt Rom, the John McCains, and the Jeb Bushes, who they would have run if they could have,

03:58:35.440 this is a party without a vision, without any real goal that they're trying to get.

03:58:40.980 It's like the Tories in England.

03:58:42.340 They're just playing to do not lose.

03:58:43.940 I want to push back a tiny bit with a question.

03:58:47.300 There is a question that we haven't asked since the mood turned dour.

03:58:50.740 And that is, what role, if any, was played by in the last week of this campaign, Donald Trump reasserted himself in a major way into the national conversation.

03:59:02.800 He started attacking Ron DeSantis.

03:59:05.240 He held a giant rally last night, which, you know, everyone from Benny Johnson to Seb Gorka was intimating would be him announcing for the presidency on the eve of the election, which makes a voter.

03:59:22.120 Maybe it's one of these young...

03:59:23.320 He leaked to Axios a week ago that he's going to announce, so he knows he's announcing.

03:59:26.800 It's just a question of, like, which day he's doing it.

03:59:28.360 He thrusts himself back into the conversation at a time when this election should not have in any way been by him.

03:59:34.560 Did that have an impact on what's actually happening today?

03:59:38.620 Of course it doesn't.

03:59:40.320 I think that...

03:59:41.060 I don't know.

03:59:41.900 I think he might pay a price for that.

03:59:43.820 I think that he is...

03:59:45.400 You know, I thought for three years he was one of the best presidents of my lifetime.

03:59:49.220 I really did.

03:59:50.060 I thought he did wonderful things.

03:59:51.760 If he'd only overturned, appointed the justices who overturned Roe, he would have been in the Hall of Fame for me.

03:59:57.640 But even so, he was better than that.

03:59:59.580 He did really good things.

04:00:01.760 He could be incredibly annoying, but he was really terrific, and I celebrated him.

04:00:07.520 After he lost that election, and you're right, it seems to drive people crazy.

04:00:12.060 I mean, you know, Al Gore started to think the world was going to end and sold that.

04:00:16.240 I met Mike Dukakis once in college.

04:00:18.340 This was, what, decades after he lost?

04:00:20.760 And we weren't even going to ask him about that race in 92.

04:00:24.440 Within five minutes he brought it up.

04:00:26.000 And he was angry as though it happened the day before.

04:00:28.560 And Jimmy Carter is still an angry man.

04:00:30.500 You can see it in his eyes.

04:00:31.420 That rage.

04:00:32.340 You know, it's obviously a tough thing, but a guy with his ego, with Trump's ego,

04:00:37.300 I think it's just absolutely transformative and has transformed him from an egotist to an utter egotist.

04:00:44.500 You know, I mean, he was always about himself, but now he's not about anything else.

04:00:47.900 Okay, so this football team sucks.

04:00:50.660 Okay, let's put it this way.

04:00:51.660 And some coaches need to be fired.

04:00:53.520 Yeah.

04:00:53.900 So, are we going to fire some coaches or not?

04:00:55.660 I mean, that's really what the Republican Party is going to have to ask itself.

04:00:58.180 And I don't just mean Trump here.

04:00:59.080 I mean, like, where's the House leadership?

04:01:01.360 Yeah.

04:01:01.580 Okay, Kevin McCarthy led a House that had 212 seats into an election with a historically unpopular president

04:01:08.300 and an economy that's in the middle of an incipient recession and a 40-year high in inflation.

04:01:13.520 And he's going to pick up less than 10 seats.

04:01:16.320 Does he need to get, like, where's the leadership class of the Republican Party?

04:01:20.960 It does not exist.

04:01:22.220 And the one place it does exist, the Republicans did really, really well.

04:01:25.500 Right?

04:01:25.960 And so the question is, where's the leadership class of the National Republican Party?

04:01:30.600 Donald Trump is not the leader of the National Republican Party because the only thing that he leads is Donald Trump.

04:01:35.000 He's not leading the Republican Party because he's not interested in the Republican Party.

04:01:37.520 He's literally tweeting out against a candidate in his own party who lost

04:01:41.880 and attacking members of his own party in the middle of election cycles

04:01:44.860 who are not sufficiently bending the knee to him.

04:01:47.500 So he's clearly not the leader of the Republican Party in any real sense,

04:01:50.420 in the sense that a coach is a person who leads the team onto the fields that they achieve victory as a team.

04:01:54.880 That's not something that Trump is interested in.

04:01:56.360 He's interested in him.

04:01:57.540 And if there's some sort of ancillary victory that the team achieves, great.

04:02:01.360 But the other thing to remember is Donald Trump in 2016 was not a Republican in any...

04:02:07.660 I mean, he took...

04:02:08.860 It was a hostile takeover of the party.

04:02:09.740 This is not a moral critique of Donald Trump.

04:02:11.780 This is a simple description of the situation.

04:02:13.660 He is not the leader of the Republican team.

04:02:14.880 But that's what I'm saying.

04:02:15.680 He never was a Republican.

04:02:16.740 That's fine.

04:02:17.360 I agree with you.

04:02:19.260 All of that's true.

04:02:20.020 And none of this is, again, to sort of ignore all the good things that he did while he was president of the United States.

04:02:25.640 But he's not the leader of anything other than Donald Trump.

04:02:27.560 This has always been true of Donald Trump.

04:02:29.100 If there was ancillary crossover, it was ancillary.

04:02:31.360 So he's not the leader.

04:02:32.620 McCarthy clearly is not a leader because he presented no agenda at all.

04:02:36.140 And not only that, he was unable to dissociate from Trump to the extent that the election was not about Trump.

04:02:40.680 You would figure that he would do what he would have to do in order to make sure that his own House members could win.

04:02:47.100 Namely, do whatever he had to do to take the hit from Trump.

04:02:51.360 He's in a safe district, McCarthy.

04:02:52.900 Take the hit from Trump and create room between the other House candidates and Trump sufficient that they could win.

04:02:59.840 He didn't.

04:03:00.960 So where exactly is the House leadership in all of this?

04:03:05.300 McConnell, I will say, he did his best to intervene in...

04:03:08.680 Again, this is not me standing for Mitch McConnell.

04:03:10.540 I got a lot of problems with Mitch McConnell.

04:03:11.960 McConnell tried to intervene in a bunch of Senate races where Donald Trump basically overruled him in the primaries.

04:03:16.480 And he got none of his favorite candidates.

04:03:18.040 He wanted Dave McCormick in Pennsylvania.

04:03:19.900 He did not want Herschel Walker in Georgia.

04:03:23.040 He did not want Blake Masters in Arizona.

04:03:24.900 But then is that not to say that Trump is the leader of the Republican Party in that he overrules the rest of the leaders?

04:03:28.960 Well, I mean, no.

04:03:30.060 So he's the leader in the Republican Party in the sense that he can put his thumb on the scale.

04:03:34.280 But he's not a leader in the sense that he actually gives a crap whether the team wins or not.

04:03:38.320 I mean, he proved that in Georgia last time around.

04:03:40.000 Trump definitely hasn't helped.

04:03:42.820 But like you've been saying all night, this is really candidate quality.

04:03:45.040 I agree with you.

04:03:45.900 And, you know, I was saying before about these Republican candidates who are just saying things they don't believe what they're saying.

04:03:50.500 And you said, what about Schumer and Pelosi and that sort of...

04:03:52.760 And yeah, that's true on the Democrat side of it.

04:03:54.760 But at the same time, how many conservatives are in the Democrat Party masquerading as liberals?

04:04:00.000 So like it doesn't exist.

04:04:00.900 Right, right.

04:04:01.300 Whereas in the Republican Party, you've got Dr. Oz is a far left...

04:04:06.060 Yeah.

04:04:06.240 He's a far leftist.

04:04:07.480 I mean, he was shilling for transing the kids in 2011.

04:04:11.220 Yeah.

04:04:11.460 And abortion months ago.

04:04:12.960 Right.

04:04:13.200 And they nominate him for the...

04:04:14.980 They give him the nomination.

04:04:16.240 And then voters are saying, why the hell would we go with this guy?

04:04:18.980 You know, if we want a liberal Democrat, we just...

04:04:21.400 We got the real deal here.

04:04:22.520 Why would we go with this guy?

04:04:24.080 The Republicans do that.

04:04:25.380 They take...

04:04:25.740 You take leftists that don't believe any of this stuff.

04:04:28.880 They may hold up Manchin, but I think it would be a week.

04:04:32.000 I think their argument would be...

04:04:32.960 He'd be the one possible example.

04:04:34.640 The exception that proves the rule.

04:04:35.980 I'd like to invite on now our good friend Dennis Prager from PragerU, among other things.

04:04:42.520 Noteworthy author, noteworthy radio host.

04:04:45.360 But I think that PragerU will outlive almost anything on the Internet today as far as just

04:04:51.040 being an amazing, lasting legacy of unbelievable intellectual content for particularly young people,

04:04:58.140 but I think anyone, to really understand the world in which they live.

04:05:01.520 Dennis, thank you so much for coming on.

04:05:03.300 Listen, it's late in the evening.

04:05:04.760 We're slurring our words.

04:05:06.280 I've already said, like, munch of, munch of, fuzzy sushi.

04:05:10.060 I don't know.

04:05:11.060 We really need the help of a seasoned and professional broadcaster.

04:05:14.740 So thank you.

04:05:16.680 Well, first of all, I'm on Danish time.

04:05:20.080 I just came in from Denmark.

04:05:21.940 Oh, my God.

04:05:22.500 Oh, wow.

04:05:23.080 I don't even know.

04:05:24.020 I don't know what time it is.

04:05:25.120 I am theoretically three hours behind you, two hours behind you, and seven hours ahead

04:05:31.660 of you.

04:05:32.280 So it's a non-issue.

04:05:33.680 I just want to tell you guys, I have never joined a conversation, and this is rare for

04:05:41.160 me to speak like this, where I have nothing brilliant to add.

04:05:46.120 You guys, I'm telling you, you guys have covered this so well.

04:05:51.060 I will only say in my own words what a bunch of you have said, and I have said this, though

04:05:57.140 longer than you, because I'm older than all of you, I think, and I will tell you, I have

04:06:04.200 said to every Republican that I have ever met, every Republican candidate, every Republican

04:06:09.680 in office, you have no message, your message has to be what the left is doing to the United

04:06:15.960 States, and the Democratic Party is the party of the left.

04:06:19.620 That is it.

04:06:20.800 That is your raison d'etre, to stop the damage that they are doing.

04:06:25.020 Most Americans, even now, would believe that most of those things are damaging.

04:06:29.940 Keeping kids out of school for two years, rendering our schools to be sexualized objects, to make

04:06:36.900 kids aware of their sexuality when they don't even have one, to have drag queen story hours

04:06:43.460 in kindergarten.

04:06:46.100 These are the issues, and you can win on these, but you're right.

04:06:51.140 I don't know what Kevin McCarthy stands for.

04:06:53.840 You're entirely right.

04:06:55.460 And all these other candidates.

04:06:57.400 You've said it beautifully.

04:06:58.380 Secondly, if you don't have a compelling message that you believe in, then you won't win.

04:07:06.640 So, Dennis, I do want to ask you about, you know, the questions have quickly turned from

04:07:12.760 2022 to 2024 as it becomes clear that Republican, the wave just does not exist.

04:07:17.200 It's not even a tide.

04:07:18.240 It may not even be a trickle.

04:07:19.540 It may be a reverse trickle, depending on how this evening goes by the end of it.

04:07:23.020 The question has quickly turned to 2024 because one silver lining to me.

04:07:28.120 You know, since I've been Debbie Downer literally all night, that Democrats will have learned

04:07:32.020 nothing.

04:07:33.020 In fact, they'll continue to double down on this.

04:07:35.040 So they will continue to double down on the woke.

04:07:36.540 They'll continue to double down on the trancing of the kids.

04:07:38.600 They'll continue to double down on the spending, all of it.

04:07:41.380 They're going to take this as a repudiation of any critique of any of their agenda.

04:07:45.240 They're doing an amazing job, is the takeaway here.

04:07:47.620 And so they're just going to continue to do exactly what they've been doing this whole

04:07:50.600 time.

04:07:50.860 At the same time, hopefully Republicans can learn some valuable lessons, like stop running

04:07:55.280 shitty candidates.

04:07:56.400 Also, it would be good if Republicans would start actually moving toward people who are

04:08:01.680 practically good at their jobs and capable of mobilizing serious numbers of votes in

04:08:06.320 favor of, in other words, get professional about 2024 and start treating it like it's a

04:08:09.940 serious topic, as opposed to we can screw around for two years in the hopes that the

04:08:14.640 pure failure of the Democrats will somehow land a bunch of us incompetents in power.

04:08:18.800 Maybe the so maybe that's the silver lining is that everybody, all the Republicans get

04:08:24.080 smacked for being incompetent and the Democrats don't any learn any of the lessons that would

04:08:27.260 save them going forward to 2024.

04:08:29.360 That's the only possible silver lining for me on this one.

04:08:31.520 Yeah, I'll call that a silver lining if we hold the House.

04:08:34.180 Yeah, agreed.

04:08:35.940 You're right.

04:08:36.640 It'll be a silver lining if we win the House.

04:08:41.100 It's it's beyond belief.

04:08:42.700 The reason that I'm hesitating is I don't like to convey sadness.

04:08:51.980 It's sort of like it's it's sort of forbidden in my profession as a talk show host.

04:08:58.500 But I I built a reputation for being honest.

04:09:02.620 Look, what everyone makes of it, it is sad that half of this country is not scared of

04:09:11.420 the left.

04:09:12.740 That's it.

04:09:13.540 What is there to say?

04:09:14.840 They have ruined everything they have touched, what they have done to the medical profession

04:09:18.740 that has it's one of the few things that I haven't heard mentioned and may well have

04:09:22.480 been.

04:09:22.740 I didn't hear everything.

04:09:23.680 I was on an airplane.

04:09:24.360 But just what the American Medical Association announces a few years ago, that birth certificates

04:09:32.220 should not list gender slash sex because we don't know what it is.

04:09:36.980 The American Medical Association, that the children's hospitals of the country are now

04:09:41.800 united in one voice in saying that it is a good thing for girls who say they're boys

04:09:46.740 to get mastectomies at the age of 18.

04:09:48.780 If we can't win on those things, if we can't become, I was just suggested to me, the party

04:09:55.920 of parents that that worked in Virginia, it's certainly a big deal in Florida.

04:10:01.460 Just say that we care about parental authority without its society crumbles.

04:10:07.580 I mean, they have given us a grand canyonesque size of things to run on.

04:10:14.620 And we don't.

04:10:15.520 Yeah, Shapiro in Pennsylvania said, freedom isn't telling your children what books they

04:10:20.500 can read.

04:10:22.300 No, that is freedom.

04:10:23.540 Freedom is telling your children what books they can and can't read.

04:10:27.000 I want to know, being of Sicilian extraction, who I can blame.

04:10:31.420 You know, I want to point, because, you know, I'm more open than most people to suggestions

04:10:36.340 of voter shenanigans and the late counts that drag on.

04:10:39.340 And maybe that's, some of that's going on in Arizona.

04:10:41.720 I guess that remains to be seen.

04:10:42.800 But that's not what's going on in a lot of the country.

04:10:44.600 I don't think that's what's, I don't think Republicans can point to voter fraud or rigging

04:10:49.600 or things to account for at least the vast majority of these lawsuits.

04:10:53.180 Fetterman in Pennsylvania.

04:10:54.140 Fetterman.

04:10:54.580 I'm not blaming, you know, ballots coming in in the middle of the night.

04:10:57.840 That's not what happened there.

04:10:59.080 And so I don't think Republicans can credibly, in most places, blame that.

04:11:03.120 And so what do we blame?

04:11:04.600 Do we blame the RINOs, the House leadership, Trump, the voters?

04:11:10.260 All of the above.

04:11:11.180 Well, if it was posed in any way to me, I thought Ben's idea of firing coaches.

04:11:21.880 When you should win the game and you lose, then most people would look for a new coach

04:11:29.400 or a bunch of new coaches.

04:11:30.860 However, it's so much larger than any one individual that if you, why do all of you and I, and we're

04:11:41.800 not alone, why do we understand what is at stake with Democrats and the left winning, and that

04:11:49.140 is not conveyed by the Republican Party as a rule?

04:11:52.140 Tell me.

04:11:53.000 I just, that's the riddle.

04:11:55.580 Why do we understand and they don't?

04:11:58.060 I can take a stab at an answer to that, Dennis.

04:12:01.280 It's because Washington, D.C. is on the East Coast.

04:12:05.840 It's because the kinds of people who can afford, generally speaking, to make a run for public

04:12:12.940 office have already had success in their life.

04:12:15.920 And most of them in that success have moved to urban settings.

04:12:19.900 They've moved to coastal settings, and their own children don't share the values that the

04:12:27.180 party purports to represent.

04:12:29.380 And so you end up in this very interesting situation where, you know, Drew and I talk

04:12:35.100 about this sometimes.

04:12:35.860 It's true for everyone here except Matt.

04:12:38.100 But we're coastal guys.

04:12:40.720 You know, we've all spent 20 years in L.A.

04:12:43.320 or Ben's been his entire life in Southern California.

04:12:46.280 You've spent your entire professional life in Southern California.

04:12:48.880 We are not rural Texans.

04:12:54.560 We're not rural Tennesseans.

04:12:56.700 We're not rural panhandle of Florida Floridians.

04:13:00.640 We, I think part of what distinguishes us, perhaps, living in the environments that we've

04:13:07.940 had is that we have some sort of character trait which has allowed us to be, perhaps we're

04:13:14.500 contrarians.

04:13:15.500 And so in the environment of living in L.A., if it radicalized us, it radicalized us even

04:13:20.220 further to the right.

04:13:22.240 But I think that that isn't the reaction that most people in those environments have.

04:13:25.840 I think the longer you serve in D.C., the longer you're in party leadership, the more removed

04:13:33.220 you become from the sensibilities of the people that you represent, the more removed you become

04:13:37.340 from the sort of traditional conservatism, we might argue about some of the disagreements,

04:13:42.220 but the general things that we're all trying to promote.

04:13:45.160 And the more your kids go to very nice schools and your kids have very liberal educations

04:13:50.160 and you're surrounded your friends, your young staff, in all of these ways, you're being

04:13:56.180 pulled leftward.

04:13:58.000 And what you're left with is either you're still a conservative, but your suit doesn't

04:14:03.600 fit very well.

04:14:04.600 It's uncomfortable when you put it on.

04:14:06.680 You're a little bit embarrassed in front of your friends.

04:14:08.980 You're a little bit embarrassed in front of your kids.

04:14:10.940 Your kids are either themselves questioning their sexuality, your kids are questioning

04:14:17.840 their gender identity, or their friend who they're in school who you've known since they

04:14:23.780 were a little kid and they come over.

04:14:25.380 You're just immersed in the world of the left.

04:14:28.980 And because you're so immersed in the world of the left, it's not necessarily that you don't

04:14:32.980 believe your own values anymore.

04:14:34.860 It's just that they don't form well.

04:14:38.220 You're not proud of them.

04:14:39.280 That's exactly right.

04:14:40.940 I really do think that for my entire life, I mean, Mitt Romney was ashamed of conservatives.

04:14:48.320 I don't hate Mitt Romney the way others hate Mitt Romney.

04:14:52.120 Most people hate Mitt Romney because Donald Trump hated Mitt Romney.

04:14:55.040 I never let Donald Trump tell me what to hate.

04:14:57.520 Other people hate Mitt Romney because he lost.

04:14:59.420 But if you're going to hate losers, you wouldn't have any friends in the Republican

04:15:02.180 board.

04:15:04.120 I never wanted Mitt Romney to be our nominee.

04:15:06.640 I opposed him in the primaries in 2012.

04:15:09.320 I never believed that he could win.

04:15:11.240 It's not because of a hatred of Mitt Romney.

04:15:13.040 He's a big lib.

04:15:14.280 I think he's a good man.

04:15:16.280 He's just a big lib.

04:15:19.360 Mitt Romney wasn't proud of my dad.

04:15:21.180 I think actually part of what people like about Donald Trump, who's also not a conservative

04:15:25.240 in any sort of constitutional way, but Donald Trump kind of is proud of my dad.

04:15:30.020 He really communicates.

04:15:31.720 Hugs the American flag.

04:15:32.820 Yeah.

04:15:33.020 He hugged the American flag.

04:15:34.280 He likes the country.

04:15:35.300 He likes people who work with their hands.

04:15:37.680 Now, is some of that showbiz?

04:15:39.460 I don't know.

04:15:40.060 I don't know Donald Trump.

04:15:41.300 He certainly communicates that.

04:15:42.780 And in communicating that, he was able to build a coalition that a lot of these Republicans

04:15:46.420 aren't able to put together.

04:15:48.400 Yes, it's that he fights.

04:15:49.680 But I don't think it's just that he fights.

04:15:51.280 I think that it's that...

04:15:52.140 It's that he chased after a Marine's hat when it blew off his head.

04:15:55.680 He didn't even think about it.

04:15:56.740 That was not Poe's.

04:15:58.080 That was something he just did.

04:15:59.220 He just picked it up.

04:15:59.920 And I think any one of us would have done it.

04:16:01.420 But he did it.

04:16:02.120 And I don't think Barack Obama would have done it.

04:16:03.860 Right.

04:16:04.060 You mentioned the people who don't wear the jacket comfortably.

04:16:14.720 I totally agree with that.

04:16:15.980 But I tend to focus on the forest more than trees.

04:16:20.940 It's not here or there.

04:16:22.320 It's just my nature.

04:16:24.140 So I will never forget.

04:16:26.720 I began lecturing at the age of 21.

04:16:29.100 It's a very odd life.

04:16:30.400 It's not important to get into it.

04:16:31.620 But I did.

04:16:32.100 And in my 20s, I would look at audiences.

04:16:35.640 And of course, they were my parents' age.

04:16:38.220 And I would say to them,

04:16:39.400 You know, you all said you wanted to give my generation, the baby boomers,

04:16:44.180 you wanted to give us everything you didn't have.

04:16:48.060 Yeah.

04:16:48.540 And that was generally material benefits and freedom.

04:16:55.040 And you did.

04:16:56.260 You gave us everything you didn't have.

04:16:59.020 And you never gave us what you did have.

04:17:01.520 I said that when I was 25 to parents.

04:17:05.340 This is very, very old, this problem.

04:17:09.380 That, as I have often put it, Christians didn't know how to explain Christianity.

04:17:15.720 Jews didn't know how to explain Judaism.

04:17:17.880 Americans didn't know how to explain America.

04:17:20.300 Conservatives didn't know how to explain conservatism.

04:17:22.540 And we are suffering to this day from those lapses.

04:17:28.660 I think that there's a combo a little bit.

04:17:32.380 One is that we're certainly suffering from the inability to convey that traditional wisdom is just commonsensical.

04:17:38.000 And it's not threatening.

04:17:39.020 It's just common sense.

04:17:40.100 And a lot of conservatives have no capacity to just convey that in not embarrassed fashion the way that you're talking about, Jeremy.

04:17:45.740 And at the same time, there are a lot of conservatives, because they're uncomfortable in their own skin, who are not willing to stand up and say uncomfortable things to, for example, Trump.

04:17:57.800 And it puts them in an uncomfortable position.

04:17:59.700 And you see this.

04:18:00.480 I mean, the Republicans are going to dramatically underperform, I promise you again, with suburban women tonight.

04:18:05.500 They will.

04:18:06.040 I mean, when you see the results come in, you will see that they dramatically underperformed with suburban women again.

04:18:10.840 And I think one of the reasons that you will see that is because, again, if you are going to create in a lab what a good Republican looks like,

04:18:19.040 it looks like somebody who's extremely strong in traditional values, somebody who looks like a protector,

04:18:23.860 somebody who looks like they are not beholden to whatever sort of weird conspiracy theory of the week is out there,

04:18:29.120 because they're so afraid of either their own base or what Donald Trump is going to tweet about them,

04:18:33.220 and a person who is baseline competent.

04:18:35.640 If you get all four of those things, you end up with Ron DeSantis or Brian Kemp.

04:18:38.980 And if you get only a few of those things, you end up with the vast majority of the Republican Party.

04:18:43.280 And people are not going to trust you.

04:18:45.140 I mean, like, I don't know what a lot of these Republicans believe on any of those things.

04:18:49.400 I don't know if they believe in traditional values.

04:18:50.660 I don't know if they believe the stuff that they're saying about elections or if they're saying it just because they feel like they're pressured to say it.

04:18:55.720 I don't know if they are competent in their jobs because they never had a job to do.

04:19:02.140 I mean, they literally sit in Congress all day and don't govern.

04:19:04.660 So I don't even know what exactly they do.

04:19:07.060 So they don't have any of those elements that make me desperate.

04:19:10.120 Like, I think a lot of Republicans today came out because they were desperate to vote against the Democrats.

04:19:14.720 But I don't think that there were a lot of Republicans who came out today because they were desperate to vote in favor of the Republicans,

04:19:19.140 except in Florida, where they were desperate to vote for the Republicans.

04:19:22.500 Right?

04:19:22.680 Like, Charlie Crist is not a candidate.

04:19:23.880 That wasn't a competitive race in the first place.

04:19:25.480 I showed up to vote.

04:19:26.280 My wife showed up to vote.

04:19:27.060 Everyone I know showed up to vote in Florida simply to say this agenda requires support.

04:19:33.360 It requires support because this agenda is worth exploring.

04:19:35.900 And it's a good agenda.

04:19:37.020 And the Democrats need to be stopped.

04:19:38.260 And this is a signal to the rest of the Democrats that they need to be stopped.

04:19:40.680 I think one of the things that Dennis is noticing, because I've noticed it too, and it may be generational that we notice it,

04:19:46.320 I think a certain madness is crossing, blowing across the country.

04:19:50.260 I personally think it has to do with a lot of epochs that are ending in a new Internet age that is still only beginning.

04:19:57.160 But whatever it has to do with, when you talk to people, for instance, about transgenderism, sane people, you know, people who should be sane, people who should be sensible,

04:20:04.640 and you say what is obvious, that you can say anything you want about a transgender woman, for instance, one thing you can't say about him is that he's a woman.

04:20:11.180 That's just not true.

04:20:12.360 I mean, and when you say that to people, their eyes kind of glaze over.

04:20:15.840 And I kind of feel that a certain level of sanity is just not present at this moment.

04:20:22.380 And we have to hope it's going to come back.

04:20:23.800 I believe it's going to come back.

04:20:24.920 It always does come back.

04:20:25.880 That's kind of the Yankee sensibility.

04:20:27.900 But when it comes back, things are not going to be the same.

04:20:30.080 Things are changing.

04:20:31.340 Some tremendous change is going on that we haven't quite parsed yet.

04:20:35.020 Guys like, to me, guys like Obama and Donald Trump are the end of something.

04:20:38.340 They're not the beginning of anything.

04:20:39.380 But what is about to begin hasn't really shown its head yet.

04:20:43.480 And it's in moments like this when we lose just our common sense, a kind of craziness, just the madness of crowds takes place.

04:20:52.560 And I think we're going through it.

04:20:53.540 I have conversations with people that I think should be down to earth, that I think should be sane, where I say things that are so obviously true.

04:21:00.360 They're not a question of values.

04:21:01.660 They're not a question of anything.

04:21:04.440 But the truth is right, and they don't understand it.

04:21:06.580 Let me ask you, if we had a referendum in the country, do you think that men who say they are women should be allowed to compete against women in women's sports?

04:21:17.760 What do you think the vote would be?

04:21:19.240 I think if it were a secret vote, the vote would be completely no.

04:21:22.840 They should not be allowed.

04:21:23.560 Why don't Republicans then run races on that issue, for example?

04:21:31.800 Exactly.

04:21:32.540 Well, I think that is a good issue.

04:21:34.840 I agree with Ben that there has to be a base level of competence.

04:21:38.280 You also have to be able to say, this is what I'm going to do with the economy.

04:21:41.340 This isn't how I'm going to handle crime and inflation.

04:21:43.900 But, yeah, I agree with you.

04:21:45.140 I agree with you.

04:21:45.660 Why don't they?

04:21:46.080 They're afraid.

04:21:46.660 They're wrapped up in a media bubble.

04:21:48.300 They're wrapped up in a social media bubble of their own making.

04:21:51.560 They fear the New York Times more than they fear God.

04:21:56.440 But look at me.

04:21:56.940 That is the way I am a religious person.

04:21:59.720 I'm not sure they can tell the difference.

04:22:01.040 The media message after this is going to be that those kinds of issues, the trans issue, it's a loser for conservatives.

04:22:07.680 But most Republicans didn't really go anywhere near it during their campaign.

04:22:11.180 That's right.

04:22:11.680 They maybe mentioned it, like, as a peripheral thing.

04:22:14.580 But the few, I mean, I'm trying to think of an example.

04:22:16.840 DeSantis.

04:22:17.540 DeSantis was bold.

04:22:18.280 A Republican that made a credible case on that issue and for parental rights and lost.

04:22:23.500 Is there an example of that?

04:22:24.480 I mean, DeSantis is the perfect example of someone who did that and won.

04:22:27.800 So I think that, yeah.

04:22:28.740 Dennis, I mean, so I'm going to ask you what has been kind of the running question of the night.

04:22:33.180 So what does this say for you about moving forward to 2024, given the fact that DeSantis wildly overperformed and that a lot of Trump candidates look like they're in trouble?

04:22:43.380 What does this say to you about leadership of the Republican Party going forward?

04:22:46.780 So, OK, I have come to the conclusion that there really is such a thing as Trump derangement syndrome.

04:22:55.040 I never used the term for four years of his presidency.

04:22:58.740 I thought it was a little wild.

04:23:00.860 I now am convinced it exists.

04:23:02.780 But I am now also convinced that the opposite exists.

04:23:07.140 Trump preoccupation syndrome, or whatever term one would like to use.

04:23:12.800 Not suffering from either.

04:23:14.440 I don't think, let's put it this way, if Donald Trump were to say, I am not running because I don't think I should be the issue, rather the damage the left and the Democrats are doing should be the issue, the man would be regarded by most people on our side as a saint.

04:23:36.080 Yes.

04:23:37.800 Yes.

04:23:38.400 But, Dennis, if my grandma had wheels, she'd be a wagon, OK?

04:23:44.440 Correct.

04:23:45.480 That is correct.

04:23:46.720 Now, Ben could tell you the original Yiddish version of that.

04:23:50.560 I don't know if it goes over.

04:23:52.540 Yeah, exactly.

04:23:53.140 You know, it does make me think it's time for the Republican Party to wake up.

04:23:59.700 And when I need to wake up, you know what I do?

04:24:01.620 I get a nice big mug of Black Rifle coffee.

04:24:03.760 I do.

04:24:04.380 It's been a long night here, folks, over at the Daily Wire headquarters.

04:24:07.040 And on nights like this, I am so glad that I've got Black Rifle coffee to keep me going.

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04:25:55.480 We're going to go here from our team over at Election Wire for one last check-in on what's happening at the polls.

04:26:02.300 So here to help us out with that is John Bickley.

04:26:06.740 Hey.

04:26:07.420 All right.

04:26:08.060 Going to me.

04:26:09.120 Hey, guys.

04:26:09.960 So I'm joined by Robert Cahaley here.

04:26:13.120 We're going to talk about some of the things that we're looking at the end of the night as we're kind of coming close to the end.

04:26:19.100 A lot to unpack in terms of the Senate.

04:26:22.640 So we've got a couple of things still hanging around.

04:26:25.260 We've got some races confirmed.

04:26:27.720 I can give a quick rundown of those before you get to Robert.

04:26:29.860 Let's do it.

04:26:30.320 Just to give you guys a feel for where we're at right now.

04:26:32.700 In the house, a couple of races we've been keeping our eyes on.

04:26:35.320 Lauren Boebert, it does look like she's going to be defeated.

04:26:37.840 She's down 51-48 right now.

04:26:39.800 She spoke to the crowd, said it's too close to call, but that she will not be making any more statements tonight.

04:26:44.640 This one's from Michael Knowles.

04:26:45.580 Sean Patrick Maloney, barring a miracle, is going to lose.

04:26:48.240 He's down 53-46 right now with over 90% reporting.

04:26:52.240 And we talked about Florida, how it's been a lot of good news there.

04:26:54.140 It's not all good news from Florida, though.

04:26:56.320 In the 10th Congressional District, we're looking at the first Gen Zer in Congress who just won Maxwell Frost.

04:27:03.940 He is an avowed socialist and a Bernie Sanders supporter, so the new youngest member of Congress.

04:27:09.180 Now to the Senate in Georgia, the race that is still the closest one that we're seeing around the country.

04:27:13.600 Warnock is up 49.3 to 48.6.

04:27:16.260 It looks like the best case right now for Republicans is that Warnock does not get to 50 and that it goes to a runoff.

04:27:22.820 One more point, kind of to what you guys have been talking about all night.

04:27:26.200 The two candidates that Trump went after, that's Brian Kemp, the governor, and Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, both won tonight.

04:27:33.820 Walker, the only one at the statewide level that has not won for Republicans.

04:27:36.820 In Arizona, it's not looking good for Republicans again.

04:27:40.060 Mark Kelly, 57.8.

04:27:41.360 Blake Masters, 40.

04:27:42.820 Katie Hobbs with a 56-43 lead over Carrie Lake.

04:27:47.200 Pennsylvania, also not looking good.

04:27:49.320 49.4 for Fetterman to 48.2 for Oz with about 88% of the vote in.

04:27:54.840 New York Times has given it over a 95% chance for John Fetterman there in Pennsylvania.

04:28:01.340 Some of the races that are close for Republicans that look good.

04:28:03.460 Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer holds just a 50.1 to 48.2 lead over Tudor Dixon.

04:28:08.600 Very close there.

04:28:09.760 And in Wisconsin, Senator Ron Johnson incumbent is up 51.5 to 48.5 over Mandela Barnes.

04:28:16.280 John, too, and Robert.

04:28:18.340 Yeah, so we're looking at sort of a mixed bag there.

04:28:21.080 Some of the races we thought would go Republicans' way did in the Senate.

04:28:26.180 So we had, you know, J.D. Vance did quite well.

04:28:29.640 Ted Budd pulled it off, right?

04:28:31.760 But Wisconsin is pretty close.

04:28:34.180 Ron Johnson's now leading by about four.

04:28:37.300 There's 81% in.

04:28:39.300 How do you feel about that race?

04:28:40.800 I still think, you know, in the end, a lot of this was about incumbency.

04:28:44.760 And so a lot of incumbents had a hard time.

04:28:47.240 And so we were always worried that Johnson might have a little bit of a hard time

04:28:50.760 as compared to some of the other, you know, some of the other races with more popular candidates.

04:28:55.540 But it's amazing because the Democrats were sure that North Carolina and Ohio were going to be places they had a real shot and they didn't.

04:29:04.160 And then they were less confident about places like Pennsylvania early on after the debate and Arizona as it started to change.

04:29:13.660 So a lot of what's happening tonight is kind of topsy-turvy.

04:29:17.740 We look to what's going to be.

04:29:19.080 It's hard to predict here.

04:29:20.160 There's not a clear pattern.

04:29:21.580 No, absolutely.

04:29:22.520 And it really is very much state to state.

04:29:24.320 And one of the points they made over there is this idea about message.

04:29:28.800 I mean, message does matter.

04:29:30.300 Because without message, you're down to personalities.

04:29:33.480 And personality traits can be things that are immeasurable, that people just determined.

04:29:38.360 And one of the things we did early on this year was we kept asking about how they felt about the Democrats' messages, and they were rejecting it.

04:29:46.080 And then just recently we said, have the Republicans made the case to win your votes?

04:29:50.300 And the answer was no.

04:29:51.900 And so you have to have more than just rejecting Democrats.

04:29:55.120 You have to get people to give them a reason to vote for you.

04:29:59.400 And some of the more controversial issues that the Republicans were hesitant to touch, that, for example, the governor of Florida was not hesitant to touch, these are the hot-button issues that did move.

04:30:11.200 And we had a very big victory there.

04:30:13.640 So, you know, we look toward what's going to happen in Nevada and then the possible runoff in Georgia, which stinks because there goes vacation.

04:30:22.680 But the Senate could still be imbalanced if we could have a replay of two years ago where the entire Senate raced on what happens in the Georgia runoff.

04:30:31.980 Right.

04:30:32.140 So it comes down to really Georgia-Nevada at this point.

04:30:37.460 Arizona, how do you feel about that race?

04:30:39.640 Arizona looks bad, but remembering that the early vote is predominantly all that's in now.

04:30:45.240 So it might get tighter in Arizona.

04:30:47.960 It certainly can.

04:30:48.920 I mean, for example, Michigan looked a lot worse an hour ago than it does now.

04:30:53.020 So that remains to be seen.

04:30:55.120 But in Georgia, traditionally, if you are an incumbent and you get a runoff, that's bad news.

04:31:01.840 Incumbents don't tend to win runoffs.

04:31:03.020 And with Carrie Lake underperforming at this point, it's about 50 percent in.

04:31:07.140 We were kind of hoping she would pull Blake Masters across the finish line.

04:31:10.180 Maybe not.

04:31:10.940 She's leading Masters.

04:31:12.080 She has a higher percentage of the vote, but not enough to guarantee that both of them will get there, depending upon what's left and how it comes in.

04:31:22.820 More work to do.

04:31:24.280 Thank you.

04:31:24.920 Back to you guys.

04:31:26.740 Hideously terrible news, all.

04:31:29.920 So, yeah, this is not an exciting evening.

04:31:34.180 You know, kind of like many of my dates before I met my wife.

04:31:39.700 Sort of optimistic.

04:31:40.800 Ben uses the term many.

04:31:44.700 You went on three.

04:31:45.560 You're right.

04:31:46.060 Many of my dates.

04:31:47.140 Several.

04:31:51.440 Yeah.

04:31:51.940 I mean, again, I'm just going to go back to the simple fact that if you are getting state-by-state results, this means you did not run a national race, one, which is the messaging issue.

04:32:01.700 And two, that candidates differ race by race.

04:32:03.540 So we keep coming back to the same message over and over.

04:32:05.820 The only way that changes is if you actually have a non-empty-shell leadership at the top of the party that is willing to put forward a program.

04:32:15.720 And Newt Gingrich won a bajillion seats in 1994 because he put forward an actual program.

04:32:19.420 There was no actual program that was put forward by the Republican House.

04:32:22.920 That's a good point.

04:32:23.340 And Kevin McCarthy is not an inspiring figure in any way, shape, or form.

04:32:27.480 I know Kevin McCarthy, and he's a very nice person.

04:32:29.520 But I don't see how you can underperform to this extent and still hope to be seen as sort of the durable leader of the Republican Party in the House.

04:32:40.760 And I will say this.

04:32:41.920 There's, you know, again, I sound like the routine Mitch McConnell defender here.

04:32:44.920 He spent $234 million from the Senate fund.

04:32:48.320 Donald Trump spent about $0.27 and picked three-quarters of the candidates in the Senate.

04:32:52.080 Had $100 million.

04:32:52.900 I'm not anti-cocaine, Mitch.

04:32:54.680 By the way, I will also mention that if you actually watched, one of the most ridiculous things in this entire race was Donald Trump sent out a fundraising letter.

04:33:03.580 I believe it was for Blake Masters from his listserv.

04:33:06.820 And it showed what the division of the money was that you gave.

04:33:10.320 It was $0.99 to Donald Trump's PAC and $0.01 to Blake Masters.

04:33:14.600 Okay, that is not raising money for Blake Masters, as it turns out.

04:33:20.380 Listen, if the Republican Party is going to be foolish enough that there are no recriminations

04:33:23.540 for the people who actually picked the worst candidates in the race, refused to fund them,

04:33:27.020 and then left them out to dry while celebrating Joe O'Day losing in Colorado,

04:33:31.020 then you get what you deserve.

04:33:32.180 I'm sorry, you get what you deserve.

04:33:33.240 Again, I'll vote for that guy if he's the nominee because the Democrats are worse.

04:33:36.480 But you don't have to do that.

04:33:38.040 You could, like, theoretically have a thought about maybe this isn't the best idea.

04:33:41.660 How many times are we going to run this same play over and over and over?

04:33:44.640 Well, at least one more.

04:33:45.520 You mentioned Blake Masters, though, and we'll see what happens with Blake.

04:33:49.660 But it's an interesting test case because Blake Masters and J.D. Vance were basically the

04:33:55.160 same candidate with the same background, with the same backers, with the same platform,

04:34:00.000 with the same actually kind of interesting departure from the old GOP stuff.

04:34:03.900 And J.D. wins, and Blake is in trouble right now.

04:34:06.360 And who knows when we'll find out if he wins or loses.

04:34:07.940 Well, I mean, I will give you a very, very easy answer for that.

04:34:11.480 And that is that Donald Trump won Ohio with 53% of the vote, while Biden received 45%

04:34:15.900 of the vote in Ohio, and Donald Trump lost Arizona.

04:34:18.320 All they're doing is mirroring Trump's exact results in those states.

04:34:21.080 By the way, Dr. Oz mirrored Trump's exact results in Pennsylvania.

04:34:24.420 By the way, Herschel Walker is mirroring Trump's exact results in Georgia.

04:34:27.460 Almost as though if Donald Trump picks a candidate, and then that person gets exactly the same

04:34:31.540 percentage of the vote in those states, there is a correlation.

04:34:34.320 Isn't that strange?

04:34:35.060 There is worth also pointing out the role of spoilers, which we haven't really talked about.

04:34:38.600 Oh, the libertarians.

04:34:39.220 The libertarians, because if you look right now at the Fetterman-Oz race, the libertarians

04:34:44.100 got 1.4% of the vote.

04:34:46.240 If Oz got that 1.4%, it puts him over Fetterman.

04:34:49.140 And it actually, well, we'll see how the vote shakes out for the rest of the night.

04:34:53.020 It actually, theoretically, could push him up to 50.

04:34:54.980 But nevertheless, it would put him over Fetterman.

04:34:56.940 And then you look at Warnock and Herschel Walker, the libertarian gets 2% of the vote.

04:35:01.540 That puts Herschel over 50%.

04:35:04.300 Yeah, but you don't want to be yelling at Jill Stewart, because your own party is...

04:35:07.140 I certainly do.

04:35:08.460 I definitely want to...

04:35:09.900 No, no, you've got to be...

04:35:10.880 By the way, they called the race for Fetterman.

04:35:12.460 That one's over.

04:35:13.300 That is over, yeah.

04:35:14.840 Did Oz concede?

04:35:15.760 There's one other piece that we haven't really talked much about, which is the demographics

04:35:19.600 in the country, from an age point of view, are changing.

04:35:23.040 You know, such a peculiar thing that we elected Barack Obama and then ascended another boomer,

04:35:29.420 and then ascended Joe Biden, who's not even a boomer.

04:35:32.840 He's older than the boomers.

04:35:33.800 I mean, it's a very peculiar moment in history when you're getting older and older, generationally

04:35:39.160 older and older and older, three presidents in a row.

04:35:41.340 Yeah.

04:35:41.480 At the same time that boomers are no longer the largest voting age demographic in the

04:35:48.140 country, that now belongs to the millennials.

04:35:53.140 Republicans like to say, well, but they don't vote.

04:35:55.740 But over time, they do.

04:35:57.320 The millennials aren't...

04:35:58.540 When we think of millennials, everybody thinks about the 20-year-old who works at your office.

04:36:01.840 I mean, I have bad news for you.

04:36:02.860 The 20-year-old who works at your office is not a millennial.

04:36:05.640 The millennials are well into adulthood now.

04:36:08.460 They are beginning to move into the age where you actually do cast votes.

04:36:12.760 It's early to see.

04:36:13.680 I mean, we're going to have to see some numbers over the next 72 hours, probably, before we

04:36:17.040 can really make any kind of claim about this.

04:36:18.940 But it may be that part of what we're experiencing right now is an actual generational shift within

04:36:24.300 the electorate that our pollsters do not yet know how to measure, because they've been

04:36:30.060 measuring the same group of people for the last 40 years.

04:36:32.500 I agree.

04:36:32.800 I agree.

04:36:33.400 I think it's a big deal.

04:36:34.780 I think this is the whole deal.

04:36:36.760 I mean, you know, you are getting a generation coming up who were born into an internet world.

04:36:42.160 We don't even know what the...

04:36:43.140 You know, this whole group, I hate to say it, but we're all too old to understand what

04:36:48.140 it is to be born into an internet world.

04:36:51.780 It's a changing of the guard, and it really is.

04:36:54.140 And I just don't think the furniture...

04:36:55.660 I don't think the gravity has come back into the room yet, and the furniture has fallen

04:36:58.460 down.

04:36:58.760 We know what the room looks like yet.

04:37:00.020 It's still early.

04:37:00.900 These things happen slower than the speed of podcasting.

04:37:03.500 But you know what we haven't celebrated tonight?

04:37:05.900 For the first time since 1993, Guam will be sending a Republican delegate to Washington,

04:37:11.720 D.C.

04:37:12.160 They did, in fact, tip Guam, not quite into the ocean, but in the...

04:37:18.120 The man was a prophet.

04:37:19.100 He was a prophet.

04:37:20.060 The man was a prophet.

04:37:20.540 No one knew.

04:37:21.120 Dennis, when you go on the air tomorrow, what are you going to say?

04:37:24.200 I'll talk about Denmark.

04:37:34.100 Well said.

04:37:34.780 That will be my temptation.

04:37:36.580 I've been taking notes.

04:37:38.020 To tell you the truth, I've been taking notes while you guys have been talking.

04:37:42.800 You know, it's very interesting.

04:37:44.640 All of you have experienced this at some time.

04:37:46.800 Being away for five days in Europe, obviously, they're talking about other things.

04:37:53.200 Although, I will tell you, the knowledge of American politics and American life among

04:38:00.900 Europeans, at least Europeans who care about issues, is astonishing.

04:38:05.140 The people that I spoke to, the Free Press Society in Denmark, these people could be on your panel

04:38:13.140 and talk about Arizona and Wisconsin.

04:38:16.300 It's eerie.

04:38:18.060 But I'll tell you what I'll leave you with.

04:38:23.320 And since you don't embarrass people who give dour news, I will just tell you, for the first

04:38:32.540 time in my life, a long life, America is now seen as exporting bad ideas.

04:38:41.160 This is a first in American history.

04:38:45.100 When in Hong Kong they marched for freedom, they marched with an American flag, there was

04:38:51.660 no greater sight than an American flag for people who loved liberty.

04:38:54.960 And now, you know, they've shut down, in Europe, they have shut down virtually every single

04:39:01.940 children's hospital that was doing the things that we do.

04:39:06.740 The affirmation of trans that takes place routinely in American children's hospitals is not happening

04:39:13.600 in Europe, including in socialist, quote unquote, socialist countries.

04:39:17.700 So it's a perilous time.

04:39:25.480 And I'll just say to Drew, who said, you know, I think you said the pendulum swings or something

04:39:32.620 to that effect, or Yankee sensibility will return.

04:39:36.660 Whenever I hear that, you know, in the long run, truth wins out, or in the long run, the

04:39:43.440 good prevails, I always think about what happens during the long run, how many lives are ruined

04:39:51.920 during that run.

04:39:53.640 It's absolutely true.

04:39:55.440 So it's not, for me, a consolation.

04:39:57.980 Sorry.

04:40:00.360 God wins is a good recommendation of God.

04:40:03.960 But it's a sorry recommendation of, say, the next 40 years of American politics.

04:40:09.180 Dennis, thank you for joining us.

04:40:10.500 And everyone go over and listen to the Dennis Prager show tomorrow.

04:40:13.560 All these guys will have podcasts tomorrow.

04:40:15.420 The good news is I'll be sleeping soundly in my bed.

04:40:18.380 But we're going to take a break now so that these guys can get a little rest.

04:40:21.100 We'll have results for you.

04:40:23.140 By the first shows tomorrow, a lot more will be known than is known tonight.

04:40:28.140 It's an easy evening to be dour.

04:40:30.420 And we should, you know, it's not wrong to mourn with others while they mourn.

04:40:35.020 It's not wrong to face reality.

04:40:36.500 This is not the night that Republicans had hoped for.

04:40:39.720 At the same time, we have a lot of fight left in us.

04:40:42.840 We have a lot of fight left in us as a country.

04:40:44.620 We have a lot of fight left in us as conservatives.

04:40:47.020 Have a lot of fight left in us at Daily Wire.

04:40:49.360 Come back tomorrow, and we'll see what we can mobilize, and we'll get back to work.

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