The Michael Knowles Show - The Hidden War On Christians ｜ Fr. Kiely & Michael Knowles

00:00:00.000 In our modern culture, people like to play a game of victimhood and oppression and persecution.

00:00:21.000 It seems that everyone has a persecution complex these days.

00:00:25.400 Virtually none of them have ever faced any legitimate persecution or suffering in their lives.

00:00:30.100 There is an objective answer, though, to which groups are more and less persecuted than others, legally, socially, violently.

00:00:39.500 And it is simply a fact borne out by all survey data and all of history that Christians are the most persecuted group in the world.

00:00:48.680 Ironically, this is the group that we are told is the least persecuted of all.

00:00:53.740 I am so pleased to be joined by my friend, Fr. Benedict Keeley, the leader of Nazarean.org.

00:01:00.960 N-A-S-A-R-E-A-N.org. 1.00

00:01:05.060 There are some other groups that have different names, I think one of which is led by our friend Glenn Beck.

00:01:08.280 Nazarean.org.

00:01:10.460 Fr. Keeley, you've visited Iraq something like nine times.

00:01:15.140 And you've written and been very focused on and dedicated shrines to persecuted Christians in the Middle East.

00:01:21.700 Last time we spoke, we talked about what was going on in Armenia.

00:01:25.660 We've talked about what was going on in the Levant.

00:01:27.780 Since I last saw you, I'm sorry to say, there was a terrible attack on Christians on Christmas Day in Nigeria.

00:01:36.020 And yet the media have barely talked about it.

00:01:38.700 Strangely, thank you again, Michael, for having me.

00:01:40.980 Strangely, we're told, and rightly so, black lives matter. 1.00

00:01:44.460 But apparently black Christian lives, black Nigerian lives don't matter at all. 1.00

00:01:48.900 In the year 2021 to 2022, more than 7,000 Nigerian Christians were martyred, men, women, and children. 0.88

00:02:00.260 Over Christmas, at least 200 Christians were martyred.

00:02:05.020 Martyred being the operative word.

00:02:06.960 They were murdered because they were Christians. 0.99

00:02:08.720 They were murdered in churches, churches burnt down, not covered in the media at all.

00:02:15.220 If covered, I remember when I was on your show before, we spoke about a previous occasion when it's alleged that this happens because of climate change.

00:02:25.420 But it's nothing to do with climate change.

00:02:28.520 The Christians are being attacked by Islamists. 0.77

00:02:31.720 But it's not just Nigeria.

00:02:33.500 It's exponential across Africa, the persecution of Christians.

00:02:37.000 It is almost the epicenter now of Christian persecution, not covered by the media at all, except by you.

00:02:43.340 So when, thank you very much, and I'm so pleased we have this opportunity.

00:02:48.260 Because as people might understand from your accent, you're not originally from Tennessee.

00:02:53.540 It's more, was it Kentucky or Alabama?

00:02:56.260 Perhaps people spoke like this maybe 200 or 300 years ago.

00:02:59.380 That's true.

00:02:59.880 It's changed since then.

00:03:01.620 But you go all over the world and call attention to this.

00:03:07.660 When did Africa become the epicenter of persecution of Christians?

00:03:12.460 Well, if we want to be historical, we can go back maybe 1,700 or 1,800 years, we think of the great martyrs of Africa.

00:03:21.200 But no, this has all happened with the rise of Islamic fundamentalism over the last 10, 15 years or so.

00:03:28.020 It's been growing and growing, sponsored in the past by Saudi Arabian, the Wahhabists. 0.98

00:03:34.380 And ISIS is very large in Africa, under different names.

00:03:40.140 We've heard before about the death of ISIS, the defeat of ISIS.

00:03:44.700 The caliphate was defeated in Iraq, but not ISIS.

00:03:50.500 ISIS is very large in Africa, different groups.

00:03:53.200 ISIS in sub-Saharan Africa, they have names like that.

00:03:56.400 And they are sweeping across Africa, being armed by different countries.

00:04:03.060 It's very, very, very serious.

00:04:05.820 And it's a threat to actually the stability of Africa, which is why I would imagine Western governments would be interested. 1.00

00:04:12.220 But they seem to be pulling out.

00:04:14.140 In fact, France has just pulled out of, I think, Chad and Mali.

00:04:18.820 The Hungarian government, interestingly enough, is actually sending some troops to Chad and Mali.

00:04:25.960 The Hungarian government is, I always do a little plug for the Hungarians, even though they're not very popular in some.

00:04:31.300 The Hungarian government is the only government in the entire world that has a specific government ministry for persecuted Christians.

00:04:40.280 It's actually called the State Secretariat for Persecuted Christians, not the State Secretariat for Diversity or Inclusivity or Various Rights.

00:04:51.660 It's called the State Secretariat for Persecuted Christians.

00:04:55.480 And they've been working since 2016, the only government in the world, to help persecuted Christians.

00:05:02.520 So I always have to give them a little plug because they're doing such good work.

00:05:05.340 Last time when we spoke about the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict of the Azerbaijanis attacking the Armenian Christians, oldest Christian nation in the world,

00:05:14.680 I discussed it on the show and I said, I think the United States has some interest here in protecting Armenia from just a pure realpolitik standpoint,

00:05:25.040 but also from a matter of Christian solidarity.

00:05:27.640 If we are the world police, if we are the global empire and the undisputed for now hegemon,

00:05:33.480 then we're a Christian nation and they're a Christian nation and we ought to have a little bit of solidarity.

00:05:37.960 And I was assailed from all sides for suggesting, one, that America is a Christian nation,

00:05:43.900 and two, that we ought to have solidarity with Christians at all, forget in particular, at all whatsoever.

00:05:50.240 This strikes me as very, very strange, and I can't quite tell when it began that we would intentionally neglect our fellow members of the body of Christ,

00:06:03.540 the faith that built the civilization.

00:06:05.280 Christians would believe that, but I fear, unfortunately, I can see why you were assailed perhaps in the first instance, 0.92

00:06:13.180 because we know that the present administration, this is not being party political, unfortunately, it's a reality.

00:06:21.420 The previous administration, we won't mention the name, but the previous administration was extremely positive towards persecuted Christians,

00:06:30.800 large amounts of help, literally, I know this as a fact, on the day that the present administration took over,

00:06:37.180 for example, a very large amount of money was due to go to Nigeria, Nigeria itself, to help persecuted Christians,

00:06:44.340 that was stopped immediately, all aid, basically, to persecuted Christians across the world.

00:06:50.620 This was a policy decision.

00:06:52.580 I was in Iraq in 2016-17, right before the election, and one of the, it was almost a joke,

00:07:00.980 we were asking people in the camps, who would you like to be the president of the United States?

00:07:07.760 And everyone, well, Trump, we love Trump.

00:07:10.140 Everyone, we in fact filmed it, and a friend sent it to the president.

00:07:16.000 White House.

00:07:18.100 And they said, because this, the Biden administration had done nothing,

00:07:22.420 but this present administration, sorry, the Obama administration,

00:07:25.720 this present administration, has made a policy decision, apparently.

00:07:31.120 Christians are a non-tolerated group. 0.99

00:07:35.520 If there's someone, a poor individual, a transsexual, that had a bad hair day in Kazakhstan, 1.00

00:07:43.080 there would have been probably a debate at the United Nations.

00:07:46.720 You'd have a whole delegation?

00:07:48.240 Money, money would flow in.

00:07:50.100 Yeah.

00:07:50.280 But, no, thousands and thousands, but also, sadly, when we are talking about rail politic,

00:07:56.640 you talk about Azerbaijan, Azerbaijan has oil, Nigeria has vast amounts of oil.

00:08:03.060 When you're dealing with trade, trade and aid, I always say we can make a difference

00:08:06.940 if we actually bring up trade and aid in terms of helping people who are being persecuted.

00:08:12.940 If governments had some moral strength, some moral probity, intestinal fortitude, perhaps,

00:08:20.420 Christian intestinal fortitude, they would say,

00:08:23.020 and tell you, if you stop persecuting Christians, then we will trade with you. 0.83

00:08:27.240 If not, but that's never part of the deal.

00:08:30.040 If you have nothing, I suppose, then maybe they can do some work with them,

00:08:34.240 but these places have oil.

00:08:36.100 That's one of the big things.

00:08:36.960 I have no problem, in principle, with the United States being involved around the world.

00:08:43.520 In fact, it seems to me that great nations always are involved around the world,

00:08:46.500 and even mid-size and not-so-great nations are involved around the world

00:08:49.560 because man is a social creature.

00:08:52.200 But there are a lot of conservatives who say,

00:08:54.520 enough, we're funding the whole world, we're rich Uncle Pennybags here, 0.70

00:08:59.020 and we don't really know what our interests are, and it's ridiculous,

00:09:02.020 and we want to just focus on the home front.

00:09:03.880 And I wonder how much of that is because foreign aid and even wars of intervention

00:09:10.840 today are focused on raising a pride flag in Kandahar,

00:09:14.980 which I have no interest in doing.

00:09:16.600 I don't want my tax dollars to do it.

00:09:18.040 I don't want a single U.S. soldier to be put in harm's way for that dubious goal.

00:09:22.260 If, however, we're discussing real questions of American interest,

00:09:27.120 Western interest, and solidarity with our fellow Christians around the world,

00:09:31.940 that would seem like the sort of involvement that would interest many,

00:09:39.460 many more Americans who are skeptical of American intervention.

00:09:43.300 We're looking at what the great Cardinal Serra from Africa called a new form of colonialism,

00:09:49.260 that the Western ideology, the LGBTQ multiple letters ideology,

00:09:55.660 is being pushed on Africa.

00:09:58.040 Aid will only come if they...

00:09:58.940 And they say, we don't want this.

00:10:00.720 This is a new form of colonialism.

00:10:03.040 Again, it's also not necessarily about putting troops...

00:10:05.960 I can understand that.

00:10:07.260 Putting troops on the ground caused half this problem back in 2003,

00:10:11.960 certainly for the Middle East and in other places.

00:10:14.420 But it is...

00:10:15.800 Well, either...

00:10:16.640 Back to your earlier question,

00:10:18.360 either America is a Christian nation or not, 0.65

00:10:20.560 if, though, sadly, it appears that more and more people,

00:10:24.580 especially younger people in the West,

00:10:26.320 are beginning to hate their own heritage,

00:10:28.740 then they're not going to be supporting this.

00:10:32.200 And let's be honest, Michael,

00:10:33.840 a lot of people see the church as the enemy, ultimately,

00:10:38.300 because of issues like human sexuality.

00:10:40.780 We are bigots.

00:10:42.160 So why support bigots in another country?

00:10:44.420 Why help them?

00:10:45.300 They probably deserve it.

00:10:46.280 I was actually told, I was told by a journalist

00:10:49.780 from a very senior organization

00:10:53.100 that Christians deserved what they were getting in these countries. 1.00

00:10:58.500 It was quite an extraordinary moment to be told that.

00:11:01.740 That's what we're dealing with.

00:11:03.040 We're dealing with that kind of ideology

00:11:04.920 that's not just in the media,

00:11:06.400 but as we know is in academia and in government.

00:11:10.740 You mentioned Cardinal Sarah,

00:11:12.340 who many American and Western conservative Catholics just adore.

00:11:18.400 And he is certainly more conservative

00:11:20.820 than other bishops and cardinals these days

00:11:23.580 and a wonderful defender of the faith.

00:11:25.940 He wrote a book with the late Pope Benedict XVI.

00:11:29.360 And anyway, he's just a great guy.

00:11:31.640 I can't help but notice that even as the European 0.84

00:11:34.660 and many American bishops seem to embrace

00:11:38.300 or accidentally embrace or just all sorts of crazy things,

00:11:42.660 modern sexuality and the global warming stuff

00:11:45.900 and mass migration and things that really have no place

00:11:47.960 in the Catholic tradition.

00:11:49.780 It is the African bishops and the African cardinals 0.52

00:11:52.520 who are standing up against that.

00:11:55.600 How did we come to that situation?

00:11:56.800 Well, the family is still intact in Africa.

00:12:00.540 I think this is where,

00:12:01.700 if you want to get down to the essentials,

00:12:03.240 we know in the West the attack on the family has been,

00:12:08.740 that's almost the epicenter of the ideology.

00:12:12.300 And as the family has been destroyed

00:12:13.940 and alternative visions of the family have been created.

00:12:18.380 But in Africa, the family and the wider family

00:12:20.780 is still very strong.

00:12:22.440 And so a seeming attack blessed by the church

00:12:27.720 on the family and the institution of the family

00:12:29.780 is being resisted.

00:12:30.780 And we have to say God bless them

00:12:32.900 because maybe they will be the saviors

00:12:35.980 of Western Christianity in the end.

00:12:38.960 We know in America and in Europe,

00:12:41.580 we have many priests now from Africa.

00:12:45.340 And they were so,

00:12:45.920 it's because we brought the gospel to them,

00:12:47.840 so they brought the gospel back to us.

00:12:49.560 But no, actually they're,

00:12:50.540 obviously they're coming

00:12:51.080 because we haven't got enough priests,

00:12:52.420 but they usually preach with some force

00:12:55.660 and some vigor.

00:12:56.640 And usually they can't be attacked

00:13:00.760 because of their skin color,

00:13:02.160 which is rather helpful.

00:13:04.380 So no, God bless the Africans. 1.00

00:13:06.260 I'm very encouraged by what's been happening.

00:13:09.540 I read some really depressing statistics the other day

00:13:12.460 on not just how modern people think about the family

00:13:15.740 and sexuality and everything you just mentioned,

00:13:17.980 but how Catholics view it.

00:13:19.400 Most American Catholics support contraception.

00:13:25.160 Most American Catholics support so-called same-sex marriage.

00:13:28.860 Most American Catholics reject 1.00

00:13:30.700 the perennial teaching of the Catholic Church

00:13:33.800 on matters that get to the very core

00:13:36.880 of the human person

00:13:37.580 and the fundamental political institution.

00:13:41.760 And not even small numbers.

00:13:43.000 We're talking like 69%,

00:13:44.640 89% in some cases support these things.

00:13:49.000 One, how do you reconcile

00:13:51.500 that apparent contradiction?

00:13:52.840 And two, is there any hope to do anything about it?

00:13:56.540 Most American Catholics are not well catechized, 0.98

00:14:00.300 as are most English Catholics,

00:14:02.100 as are most European.

00:14:03.460 I'm 60 years old.

00:14:04.980 My generation, before me,

00:14:07.540 down now, three generations,

00:14:09.440 Pope Benedict himself said,

00:14:11.180 we're not catechized.

00:14:12.560 So it's no surprise.

00:14:15.840 Is there hope?

00:14:17.680 Yes, I think there's great hope

00:14:18.740 because the younger generation,

00:14:20.200 certainly, especially in the United States,

00:14:22.220 coming out of some of these great Catholic colleges,

00:14:24.720 Steubenville, Christendom, Ivermurria,

00:14:28.000 are producing really wonderful young people

00:14:30.580 who love the church for all its faults,

00:14:34.200 who want to have marriages,

00:14:36.380 want to have lots of children.

00:14:37.880 It's a great hope.

00:14:39.220 We just have to go through the winter of discontent,

00:14:43.200 as we might say,

00:14:44.340 and a rather aging clergy

00:14:46.400 who still think that flared trousers

00:14:49.740 are the latest rage.

00:14:51.480 Once they depart,

00:14:53.200 then we, younger priests,

00:14:55.580 are tending to be more,

00:14:57.380 I don't like the use of the word

00:14:58.740 conservative or political.

00:15:00.880 I use heterodox or orthodox.

00:15:02.960 Orthodox priests who believe

00:15:04.840 in the teaching of the church,

00:15:06.060 and happy, being happy Catholics,

00:15:09.380 not happy, clappy Catholics, 1.00

00:15:11.700 but happy Catholics who love the faith.

00:15:14.600 We're in a very hard time.

00:15:16.700 And you know as a layman,

00:15:17.920 I know as a priest,

00:15:19.180 it's an extremely hard time

00:15:20.880 when the leadership of the church,

00:15:24.280 I'm reminded of Belloc's quote 1.00

00:15:26.760 about imbecilic knaves, 0.98

00:15:29.380 but no merely human institution 1.00

00:15:33.360 conducted with such knavish imbecility 0.98

00:15:35.540 would have lasted a fortnight. 1.00

00:15:36.440 Exactly.

00:15:37.080 And there are a few of them around at the moment.

00:15:39.380 And we have to get through this,

00:15:41.200 but we have to hold on

00:15:42.160 and be happy and love our faith

00:15:44.300 and be joyful.

00:15:46.560 And I think there's great hope.

00:15:48.780 But at the moment,

00:15:49.400 the ship is,

00:15:50.060 I think of a friend of mine

00:15:51.580 who was received into the church last year,

00:15:54.220 and I preached at her reception,

00:15:56.560 quoting Cardinal Newman,

00:15:57.700 St. John Henry Newman,

00:15:58.560 who said when he became a Catholic

00:16:00.440 that he felt like he was a ship

00:16:03.000 coming into port after a heavy storm.

00:16:06.060 And I said to her,

00:16:07.400 you're going out of the port

00:16:09.760 into the storm now,

00:16:11.040 becoming a Catholic.

00:16:12.260 So it's rather exciting, actually,

00:16:14.100 that people are still becoming Catholic 0.77

00:16:15.500 when you think,

00:16:16.400 what on earth are you doing that for?

00:16:18.040 You know, I see it,

00:16:19.580 especially among young people,

00:16:21.220 a lot of people returning to religion

00:16:23.660 in any form,

00:16:26.160 and specifically to Christianity

00:16:27.680 and specifically to Catholicism.

00:16:29.600 And you're seeing

00:16:30.740 a vibrant intellectual movement.

00:16:32.840 It's wonderful.

00:16:35.760 And yet,

00:16:36.300 the people who run the society

00:16:37.560 seem to be moving

00:16:40.200 in the other direction.

00:16:41.080 You're seeing a big push

00:16:42.040 to persecute Christians, 0.93

00:16:45.120 violently in some cases, 0.70

00:16:46.180 just legally,

00:16:46.940 you know,

00:16:47.200 in the United States and Canada,

00:16:48.600 America's evil top hat.

00:16:49.480 And you're seeing a push

00:16:52.160 to break up the family

00:16:54.980 and to question

00:16:56.120 what a human person is

00:16:57.100 and to meld us with robots

00:16:58.240 and to live forever.

00:16:59.340 And this is what's so strange about it,

00:17:01.380 is the way that they speak,

00:17:04.340 they sound like they're seeking

00:17:05.700 religious goals.

00:17:06.500 When they say,

00:17:07.460 man is going to cease

00:17:09.120 to be homo sapiens, 0.93

00:17:09.980 he's going to be homo deus. 0.99

00:17:11.360 We are going to cure death. 0.95

00:17:13.060 We're going to live forever.

00:17:14.700 We're going to be immortal.

00:17:17.080 We're going to have fame.

00:17:18.020 Our legacy will live on.

00:17:19.640 And these are people who

00:17:20.640 don't get married,

00:17:22.740 don't have children.

00:17:24.120 They have dogs, though.

00:17:25.060 They do have dogs.

00:17:26.340 They do have dogs.

00:17:26.900 Two of them, even.

00:17:27.720 That's right.

00:17:28.200 Sometimes in a stroller,

00:17:29.320 in a little carrier.

00:17:30.240 They love that.

00:17:31.400 But I think,

00:17:32.300 well, the easiest way

00:17:33.000 for you to have a legacy

00:17:33.900 and to have immortality,

00:17:35.500 the easiest way

00:17:36.080 to have immortality

00:17:36.840 is to know God

00:17:37.920 and love Him.

00:17:39.720 God sent His only begotten Son

00:17:41.000 so that whoever believes in Him

00:17:41.820 might not perish

00:17:42.220 but have everlasting life.

00:17:43.140 That's a good way to do it.

00:17:44.580 And the easiest way

00:17:45.560 to have a legacy

00:17:45.960 is to have children

00:17:46.600 and have a lot of them.

00:17:47.380 And then you have

00:17:47.980 a living legacy

00:17:48.640 and the very thing

00:17:49.760 that would give them

00:17:50.220 what they seek,

00:17:51.360 they do the opposite of.

00:17:52.820 I remember reading

00:17:53.920 an interview with the,

00:17:55.440 I'm pushing Hungary again, 1.00

00:17:56.600 but the president of Hungary,

00:17:58.200 Katalin Novak,

00:17:58.920 is a wonderful woman.

00:18:00.060 Hungary has a great policy

00:18:01.360 of helping families now.

00:18:03.820 No income tax

00:18:04.960 after three children.

00:18:06.220 Imagine if a politician

00:18:07.240 here ran with that.

00:18:08.360 You won't pay income tax

00:18:09.680 if you have more

00:18:10.160 than three children.

00:18:10.820 Sign me up.

00:18:11.260 But President Novak

00:18:12.340 said at one point last year,

00:18:14.460 because people are saying,

00:18:15.980 oh, don't have children

00:18:16.780 for the environment.

00:18:18.480 And she said,

00:18:18.900 well, who's it for then?

00:18:20.820 In a hundred years,

00:18:21.720 is it for the apes

00:18:22.720 or the ants or something?

00:18:23.940 It's for our children.

00:18:25.500 But actually,

00:18:26.160 you hit,

00:18:26.720 to be more serious though,

00:18:27.980 you hit something essential.

00:18:30.580 We are,

00:18:31.080 and I think we have

00:18:31.660 to use the word,

00:18:32.420 I read a marvelous article

00:18:33.440 recently by a man

00:18:34.620 called Mark Dooley,

00:18:35.780 who is a philosopher.

00:18:37.020 He actually is the great expert

00:18:39.820 on Sir Roger Scruton.

00:18:41.420 And he wrote a piece

00:18:42.940 in the European Conservative

00:18:44.460 last fall,

00:18:46.120 basically saying,

00:18:47.340 we talk about a culture war.

00:18:50.420 He said,

00:18:50.660 that implies there are two cultures.

00:18:52.940 He said,

00:18:53.740 and I think it's really profound.

00:18:55.200 He said,

00:18:55.960 no,

00:18:56.480 there are not two cultures.

00:18:57.440 There's one culture,

00:18:58.940 the culture of the West,

00:19:00.260 a culture from a cultus, 0.85

00:19:02.160 worship.

00:19:03.560 He said,

00:19:03.940 it's about good and evil.

00:19:05.580 And we've got to actually

00:19:06.480 draw this conclusion

00:19:07.800 and speak the truth in love.

00:19:09.380 It's about good and evil.

00:19:10.740 It's not calling

00:19:11.700 the people themselves evil,

00:19:13.660 but the philosophy

00:19:14.640 that's being promoted,

00:19:15.640 you were talking about

00:19:16.400 melding humans and machines,

00:19:18.500 the attack on the personhood,

00:19:20.120 the attack on children,

00:19:22.080 that you can be

00:19:22.800 whatever you want to be.

00:19:24.040 No,

00:19:24.220 you can't be.

00:19:25.180 He actually said,

00:19:25.920 it's sort of reverse

00:19:26.980 of being all things in Christ.

00:19:30.020 You can create yourself,

00:19:32.100 the attack on children,

00:19:33.540 the sexualization of children,

00:19:35.500 the attack on the family.

00:19:36.960 He said,

00:19:37.320 we must call it what it is.

00:19:38.320 This is evil.

00:19:39.620 And I know people will respond

00:19:40.820 sometimes with horror.

00:19:42.360 How can you Christians say that? 1.00

00:19:44.240 But no,

00:19:44.560 it's a fight now.

00:19:45.500 It's really,

00:19:46.580 we spoke before

00:19:47.660 about picking a side.

00:19:49.120 Actually,

00:19:49.380 we've really got to be on

00:19:50.220 one side or the other.

00:19:52.040 And it's a battle.

00:19:54.060 St. Paul spoke about it.

00:19:55.140 It's about spiritual realities,

00:19:57.640 powers and principalities.

00:19:59.620 And evil is very active

00:20:01.320 in the world today.

00:20:02.560 So we better be armed with,

00:20:04.080 as scripture says,

00:20:04.820 all the weapons of faith.

00:20:07.060 I love the idea

00:20:08.900 of picking a side

00:20:09.600 because if you stand

00:20:10.640 in the middle of the road,

00:20:12.020 you will be hit by a truck.

00:20:14.020 Well,

00:20:14.180 the sitting on the fence

00:20:15.200 is also rather uncomfortable.

00:20:17.800 It is.

00:20:18.800 You're right.

00:20:19.820 Father Keeley,

00:20:20.880 thank you so much,

00:20:22.200 as always,

00:20:22.520 for coming in.

00:20:23.400 And I look forward

00:20:24.260 to the next time

00:20:24.920 that we can drag you back

00:20:26.260 from that island over there

00:20:27.440 to Tennessee.

00:20:29.400 Thank you, Michael.

The Michael Knowles Show - February 04, 2024

The Hidden War On Christians ｜ Fr. Kiely & Michael Knowles

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