The Little Mermaid Is Racist： YES or NO with Eric July
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As occasionally happens on this show, maybe more than ever, in this episode though, I am completely out of my depth because today I will be playing the Yes or No game with my friend Eric July, the biggest comic book maven on the right, and one of the biggest ones in the country.
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Every Hollywood superhero moving forward will be required to have at least one LGBTQ character shoved into the story.
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As occasionally happens on this show, maybe more than ever in this episode though,
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I am completely out of my depth because today I will be playing the Yes or No game with my friend Eric July,
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the biggest comic book maven on the right, and one of the biggest ones in the country, frankly.
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Founder of Ripaverse, the founder of Being Libertarian.
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Get your copy of Yes or No over at dailywire.com slash shop.
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We have sold about a bazillion copies of this game, and it's still not as many as the number of comic books that Eric has sold.
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So head on over right now, dailywire.com slash shop.
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The most anticipated follow-up to the best-selling game is finally here.
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The Yes or No Conspiracy Expansion Pack is here.
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If you haven't gotten the full Yes or No game, now would be the time.
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And the all-new Yes or No Conspiracy Expansion Pack, play responsibly.
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So the first time I ever even heard about you, my producer said, you know, he was this guy, you know, you should have money.
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I was like, but I never, man, I don't know anything about comic books.
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I don't, there's no, I don't think the audience is going to really be there for that.
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And then you were one of the fan favorites of all time of the show.
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Oh, Eric, this is not starting off well for you.
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I didn't like Dark Knight as much as everybody liked Dark Knight.
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Logan, it was, the fact that it was a superhero movie was kind of tangential.
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But, which I guess the same thing is true of Dark Knight.
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But the other ones, like Captain Marvel America 17 with some chick spatting off feminism.
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Have you seen any of the Netflix ones that were like Daredevil?
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If you like Logan and Dark Knight, you never seen it.
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I think if you like Logan and you like Dark Knight, I think Daredevil might be up your speed.
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Hey, man, at this rate, it might happen sooner than later.
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Political commentary is the lowest form of art.
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Let's say you would say no, or would you say yes?
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I would say that, to me, it brings out the ugly in people, and I'm not the biggest fan
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But, I do think there's something to be said for the people that are able to galvanize
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I agree there's an art net, but is it the lowest form of art?
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That is obviously a lower form of art than even the worst political commentary.
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I'm actually, I'm actually following you on that one.
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I'm actually, I'm actually following you on that one.
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The rules, if you get it wrong, you have to drink.
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It was just a coincidence that the major opponents of the Federal Reserve died when the Titanic
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But I'll tell you, man, I don't really like coincidences.
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I find them delightful, but I often see intention behind coincidences.
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I mean, I can actually see where it is a coincidence.
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But I don't know if the guys that were the actual, that were advocating this knew just how rotten it was going to be years, years beyond.
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Because you think of it even in the context of right now.
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However, you know, people tend to kind of grow out of that sometimes.
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Like, you're a conservative if you, whatever hit that.
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If you're not a liberal by the time you're 17, you don't have a heart.
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And if you're not a conservative by 30, you don't have a brain.
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So, considering that, I like to think that even the people that were advocates of it didn't know how rotten it actually was.
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And, I mean, the people that were against it probably didn't understand just how bad it was going to, let's say, impact the economy, especially going to.
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And 1913 sucked because you didn't just have that.
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You had the income taxes implemented then that same year.
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That, yeah, I really, I like your take on it because it's rosy in that you're giving the benefit of the Dow.
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I probably shouldn't be doing that, to be fair.
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And it should only be shown to inmates of Guantanamo Bay for interrogation purposes.
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What kind of information are you going to get out of here?
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Are we talking about the original Little Mermaid or the new one?
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Now, I did not see it, and I read like half a news article about it.
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But that's not going to stop me from having a very strong opinion on the subject.
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And it's especially painful because the original Little Mermaid, which came out when I was four or something.
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The recent one, yeah, I think everybody, even the people that were defending it, they have to accept.
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I mean, it doesn't matter if they think it was great or it sucked anyway because it lost all that money or it's going to lose all this money.
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So, at the end of the day, I mean, it's terrible.
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I think that's the lead actress's name for the new Little Mermaid, right?
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No, well, she went on to say that she was obviously influenced by the original Little Mermaid.
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But then she flipped and then out of nowhere, she's talking about, well, the little black and brown boys can see it and they can finally be influenced and all that.
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I'm like, well, you still somehow got something out of it when you were young, despite it being a fair-skinned Little Mermaid.
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I mean, to be honest, I can't think of anything whiter than a Danish fairy tale.
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Well, so this is a big debate, though, because that was my take, and I guess that still basically remains my take.
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It's Han, Christian, Anderson, you know, Little Mermaid is a white character, and so they're just race-switching to be provocative politically.
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He said that actually the Little Mermaid should be black, even though it's written by a Danish guy.
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The mermaid's being spotted somewhere in the Caribbean, and so, you know, you don't buy it.
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I will say that definitely African folklore has mermaids.
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If they really wanted to tell one of those stories.
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That's, now, did you hear, there's a story from Columbus's voyage where he sees a mermaid, and he writes about this.
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And the libs today, they say, well, he saw a manatee.
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He mistook a manatee for a mermaid, and I thought, I don't know a manatee.
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Unless that guy was blind, I wouldn't mistake a manatee.
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Yeah, and so, I don't, and they're all modern libs, so they don't believe in any, like, fun, mystical stuff.
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But I don't know, I, like, look, I don't know, maybe the guy saw a mermaid, is what I'm saying.
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I don't know, people are talking about seeing aliens, why can't they see a mermaid?
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Although most are charlatans, some psychics are real and can actually see and predict someone's future.
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You're going to say no, and you're going to get mine, incorrect, mine.
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Oh, yeah, you're going to have to explain yourself.
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I think there's more in heaven and earth than is dreamt of in our philosophy, Horatio.
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I think some of these guys, look, they're all dealing with the devil.
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But, like, when the Bible says, the Bible says, don't consult astrologers.
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But I don't think the Bible says that because it's like they're a bunch of dumb idiots and
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they're charlatans who are going to steal your money.
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I think the Bible says that because it's real and sometimes these people, maybe a lot of
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them are charlatans, but maybe sometimes that you actually can do it and that it's demonic.
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I thought for sure definitely going the biblical route, you would have for sure said the opposite.
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But putting it that way, I guess I can kind of see where you're coming from.
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So you're looking at it from the perspective of that they exist, and because you can't
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So if you go to a psychic and the psychic says, you know, you're going to die on Thursday.
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Then, you know, if you predict the future, you read the stars or whatever, you're compromising
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your free will and you're not trusting in God's providence.
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You're trying to assert control over the order of things.
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You even see this in the Bible in the Witch of Endor when Saul, who says, no more necromancy,
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you know, and he goes to the Witch of Endor and he's like, hey, I need to talk to some
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And she goes, no, King Saul said we can't do that anymore.
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And he's like, yeah, don't worry about King Saul.
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But what's real, and look, this is just my interpretation of this scene, but she seems
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kind of surprised that she actually conjured up this ghost.
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Which makes me wonder, is she mostly a charlatan?
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But then when the ghost comes up, she's like, oh, shoot, man, I actually conjured a ghost.
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I definitely read, you know, read a lot more of it as an adult.
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There's even little stuff about everybody has their position on dinosaurs, and you'll
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hear in the Bible, it's explained that these, like, massive animals that are around, it's
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like, well, maybe, I mean, I don't think they used the term dinosaur, but maybe that was
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Now, I don't, I'm just going to choose to drink on that one.
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A parallel economy is the only way forward for non-leftists today.
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I think for me, it's, there's no, it's not even up for dispute.
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I think people, they have some sort of, how do I dare to explain this?
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The status quo comes with its set of familiarity as well as comfort.
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And so, I can understand and empathize with people that believe that there's something
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But I think for non-leftists, if we're going to be able to definitely be creative, and to
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be able to do it freely, the parallel economy is the only answer.
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I mean, I'm trying to think, what would you and I be doing right now if we didn't bet
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on the parallel economy, and if the parallel economy didn't exist?
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I don't, I'd be in Hollywood like pushing a broom.
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Yeah, no, it'd be virtually, I mean, you get knocked down, you know, definitely as people
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have become so ideologically obsessed, you know, you'd be knocked down at every turn.
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Even if you did make any general stride, you'd be knocked down.
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I think there's a lot of folks that do believe that the status quo is worth salvaging.
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So, you know, get a little nostalgia bait, especially with a lot of modern, like, creative stuff.
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But people are still clinging on to that idea that there would be room for us.
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But here's the thing is, I'll use the pushing a broomstick in Hollywood example.
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So, a lot of people, if you're in Hollywood, that's what you do.
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You start in the mail room or you start doing these really basic jobs.
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But it used to be you would move up and there would be, you'd be building towards something.
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And what you're really trying to build toward is to help create this beautiful art or some
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But now, you go through all the hassle of pushing a broom, working in the mail room.
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So that you can push some awful message and some ugly, dumb art that the audience doesn't
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Why wouldn't you just go start your own comic book and sell a bazillion copies?
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And I think people need to take that seriously as an option.
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Because we've had a lot of people, we're talking about Isom 2, for example, with Gabe
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They tell me all the time how much fun that they're having with working with these sort
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of projects because it's more fulfilling than it ever had been working for some soulless
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So with that being said, these guys feel like they're doing their best work.
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So I think even if you just look at it just from the sense of if you're a creative
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person, you want to entertain people, whatever it is that you want to do, you really have
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to consider the parallel economy as really the only option because that's the only place
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But at least here, you're controlling the audience.
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The ISOM, I sum, comic book, and its main character are attacked by the left primarily
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because the main character is black and the left is racist.
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The reason being is because of what all that it means.
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Like, the book's existence, the company's existence alone shatters everything that they
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not only believed about me, but they more importantly believed about the audience.
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The arguments that were, well, people have an issue with black characters.
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Or people don't like to see black people be creative.
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So you see all that stuff get knocked down, and that's why they're so aggravated and angry.
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And the racism, the legitimate racism actually comes from the box of expectations that they
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have of be it black characters or black creatives.
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Like, you have to think a certain way, and once you don't, look, I'll say this here on
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I have not been, I mean, I've done, I've had my hot takes politically, right?
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We've all had those, and you get your pushback.
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Like, nothing has got me pushback, and this is apolitical, more than anything.
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Nothing has got me more pushback than creating my own comic book company based on this character,
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or the first character that we launched being ISOM.
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But also, I've not been called any names remotely to what, I mean, I have to Google some of this
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stuff that I get called from these guys who apparently are, well, they claim to be fist
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Yeah, that stuff went out the window pretty early.
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It's not so much the perspicacity of your insight.
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It's not so much the precision of your attack and rhetoric.
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When you're successful, that's what really gets them the most.
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Mr. July, I'm afraid you're going to have to take a little sip of your Diet Coke.
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I think he is, I'm not saying he's totally without talent.
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He's a very, very fine director, especially for comic book movies.
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They talk about this guy like he walks on water.
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They talk about him like he's, you know, Orson Welles.
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They talk about him like he's Coppola or something.
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But I just think, if he were to make Citizen Kane,
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if you put him to make The Godfather or On the Waterfront or something like that,
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Okay, the reason being, the reason being is because people look at what he,
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like if we talk about the movies that you were just referencing,
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as that being the definitive version of those characters.
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This applies really to everybody that's been in either of those movies.
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That doesn't mean that if you look at it isolated, that they aren't good.
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So I don't want anybody to think, you know what I'm saying?
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Because now, even to this day, people look at, and they look at like,
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what's the one of the greatest comic book movies or trilogies or whatever,
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And I would say, maybe if you look at it in isolation,
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Right, because I think even of like, I'll just use the, like, Joker.
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And you're just like, man, that, that was an interesting movie.
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There were very memorable scenes, especially at the end.
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It's just like interesting to watch a movie about a crazy guy.
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In movies and TV, men are held to a more unrealistic body standard than women.
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No, look, man, I'd love to complain as much as I can.
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I was going to say it's, but no, you can, you can be a kind of dad bod guy and still
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get away with, so that was especially true in the 50s when even the most fit guys were
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I'm thinking of, obviously, older actors can really get away with it, but even younger
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And whereas for women, they either need to be cartoonishly ugly or they need to be very
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I think men look at, definitely like in a superhero realm, they look at it different than what
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So when, for whatever reason, women see a very attractive, even in a comic book, right?
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It's like, oh, it's unrealistic where her organs, they'll say, if she is fit.
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We would see He-Man and he's jacked to the gills.
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And a lot of dudes looked at it like, I want to get buffed up.
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And I think still to this day, when you look at some of these anime, Goku has muscles where
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a guy, I don't know if he can actually really get there, but it's still like, oh, I can
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Most men don't have an issue with seeing it versus women when they see a lot of characters.
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There's a female character that is just, nobody can look like that.
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I could look at a modern Batman, who's built up like the craziest muscle man ever, and just
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In comic book movies, the men tend to be pretty jacked, except for Spider-Man.
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Parker's kind of like a lean, like weeby kind of guy.
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In general, the left wins more libertarians over than the right does.
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You're going to say no, but I am going to say yes.
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And if you had asked me this question seven years ago, I would have said no.
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Because libertarians cut, they're right libertarians and left libertarians, right?
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I always said the right gets more libertarians.
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Because that was the era of the real hardcore libertarian types of Ron Paul people.
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And the kind of lolbertarian, internet, fashionable, I-just-want-to-be-liked libertarian types,
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they still went along with Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or whatever.
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And I think you had a lot of libertarian or libertarian-adjacent outlets who just hated
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And in part because he was more statist and more authoritarian than the libertarian types
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present themselves as, at least, that they tended to go a little bit more either third
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party, Evan McMullin, Egg McMuffin type guy in 2016, or even some of them now are openly
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I'll say that I think that you're at least correct that in 2016 there were a lot of people that
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claimed to be libertarians that proved that they weren't actually that.
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It was more of, and I think a lot of them fit the bill of the latter position it is that
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you mentioned, where you have libertarians or people claiming to be that, that more so
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Like, hey, I just don't want to be lumped in with these guys or that guy, so I'm just
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And I think that the only reason why I would say that I would kind of detach myself from
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that idea is because I look at, while that was true, we saw a shift like in the Libertarian
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Party as an example where the Mises Caucus guys took the entire party over and they were
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And they are still screeching and screaming about that right now, like, oh my God, look
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at all the fascists now run the Libertarian Party because you have actual people that actually
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And unfortunately, and I actually thank Trump in that regard because he showed like these
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They don't actually value liberty by any means.
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It's why I can never totally discard the libertarians is the real hardcore types, not the Lulberts,
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not the Libertines, but the real hardcore libertarians.
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I disagree with them on their premises, but I often agree with them on many of their conclusions.
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You know, the Mormons, I don't buy the premises of the religion.
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And yet, when I look at the outcomes of Mormon societies, I agree with a lot of what they're
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And I think there's, yeah, the purging of the Lulberts, the purging of the squishes, that
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The main reason the left is so focused on destroying superheroes and rewriting their
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origins is because many of the traditional heroes reflect Christian values.
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For example, with great power comes great responsibility, Uncle Ben, and from everyone
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who has been given much, much will be demanded, St. Luke, chapter 12, verse 48.
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It was certainly a lot more traditional back in the gap.
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Yeah, that's more of the term that I would certainly use with a lot of these characters.
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I mean, even with Superman, you know, truth, justice, and the American way, they kind of
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I think they realized how much of a terrible idea it was to try to drop some of that rhetoric.
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They said, now it's going to be truth, justice, and all that other stuff.
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Oh, no, I would say, I mean, at this rate, definitely the direction that they're going,
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I don't know if you know that they, I don't remember we talked about this when we discussed
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Sure, he's, and they didn't stop telling you about it either.
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They made sure that everybody knew just how gay.
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So who's the lowest lane of the gay super junior?
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I think Dennis Rodman would be more manly than than that.
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The constant news of aliens is a distraction and not proof of life from a galaxy far away.
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It's a complete distraction, and it's a distraction either by the government,
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because you notice whenever there's a hot political story,
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like they're indicting the leader of the opposition,
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all of a sudden these UFOs start popping up everywhere.
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I mean, the government's always trying to distract us with all sorts of nonsense,
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but it's a distraction by demons who are here to lure us away.
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When you see weird flickerings that defy all the laws of gravity
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that don't really make any sense based on everything we know about physics
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and, you know, they're making these 90-degree turns in the sea
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at, like, a thousand knots or whatever, I don't know,
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whatever G-forces that totally exceed expectation,
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So you think, be it from the UFOs or the unidentified things,
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Yeah, it's demonic in the sense that it's not corporeal.
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So it's, I think that the only rational soul in the created universe with a body is us.
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And that's why we don't, you know, like a dog doesn't have a rational soul.
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That's why we don't put him on trial for biting people.
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And I don't think there's some superhuman Martian type thing out there somewhere either.
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But there are intelligences that are more intelligent than us.
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Just as there are things that are purely physical and not intelligent like a rock,
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there are things that are purely intellect and not body like angels and demons and spiritual things.
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And we all, I know this sounds kind of kooky in the modern era,
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but, you know, we all acknowledge spiritual reality because we say there's morality.
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We say that there is, you know, metaphysics like hope and dreams and loves and all that.
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So, if you believe that God exists at all, right, what you're saying is that God the Father is metaphysical.
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And so, we're granting that there is at least one intelligence that is not corporeal.
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And then if you believe that, then you might believe, whether through your natural reason or more likely through revelation,
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that there are other intelligences that are not corporeal.
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And I think that's what people are seeing in the sky.
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Man, I can go either way on that, or I can say a little bit of both.
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I think that there are things that exist that are here, that have been here,
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However, I still think that there's an idea of something beyond what we know to be our planet that has something.
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Maybe not intelligent enough, because I look at it like, you know, Earth.
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Like, we have these people that we like to think are intelligent, right?
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And we haven't quite figured out how to even navigate outside of Earth.
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So, I'd imagine that there may be intelligent life that also has not been able to crack the code on that.
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So, they're contained to their geographical area.
00:30:41.400
Now, as far as them coming here, which they would have to be uber smart, right,
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to be able to figure out how to leave where they're at to get here,
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that's where I think the debate more so needs to be had.
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And I don't know if we've seen anything that's that smart.
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Because, you know, often I was talking about this with a buddy not too long ago.
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You think about these guys, they see a certain thing, and it's like, hey, this is an alien, right?
00:31:06.800
So, I'm like, I don't know if they were that intelligent to figure out how to get here.
00:31:10.700
You know, would they be able to, why on earth are that's how they would react?
00:31:17.000
Yeah, that you just, they like are in your backyard and you're scampering away.
00:31:30.480
RFK, junior, I assume, has a better chance of being on the winning ticket in 2024 election
00:31:53.220
I'm not saying it's not a chance that, you know, some crazy world, Trump picks Bobby Kennedy,
00:32:00.000
I'm not saying that can't happen today if you said odds are who wins the presidency 2024.
00:32:07.680
I mean, they kind of scooted him in there, right?
00:32:11.000
And he's, we can think of it, he's as crazy and old as all get out.
00:32:15.900
But if you don't think they would pull the stop, they already pulled all the stops they
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I like to think that maybe, but that's me being too optimistic about it.
00:32:30.020
If I'm going to be rational about this situation, considering all evidence, there's no way that
00:32:36.060
That's the thing they found the other day, they found 300 mail-in ballots from 2020 in
00:32:42.340
And I know all the, the unit party says, we're not allowed to ever raise any, you can't, I'm
00:32:48.300
It was, the 2020 election was the most secure election ever in all the history of democracy.
00:32:52.460
But I think, man, there's probably a lot of lockers in Michigan.
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There'll be a lot more, this gore, that's for sure.
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Plato was clearly on shrooms when he said Atlantis was a real place.
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Well, hold on, I don't want to give, I've got to give an answer to this in my, I'm not
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You know, there were a lot of weird druggie cults back in ancient Greece, but Plato was
00:33:36.300
They say, what is it, 5% of it has been actually discovered, right?
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And we know that there's all sorts of things that, I mean, through the years, you know,
00:33:47.000
the new thing that got discovered in the sea, like this creature might have looked like
00:33:51.420
this, and it's like, we clearly haven't seen everything.
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And we were just talking about mermaids earlier on, so.
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We haven't seen, I mean, to you, not that we haven't seen everything, we haven't seen
00:34:06.580
I was talking to a friend of mine, there was that tragedy, obviously, in the ocean a
00:34:10.120
You know, and back when it was unclear if the people in that submersible would still
00:34:15.980
be alive or not, and I said, I asked a friend who was a special forces guy, I said, is there
00:34:25.720
Like, you can't, it's the ocean, you can't find stuff in the ocean, basically, you know.
00:34:30.560
But like, wow, you're in the Navy, you're supposed to know, but it's just, we talk about
00:34:35.620
exploring outer space, but, you know, when would we even begin to start seriously making
00:34:45.460
I mean, you look at, it might, maybe that's the, you deal with finding what's in the ocean
00:34:54.740
I mean, because it has a lot, I don't want to say similarities, but as far as the pressure
00:34:57.880
and all that, that's all the stuff that you deal with if you went to space as well.
00:35:01.780
But yeah, it's here, you know, and we haven't figured out how to, how to actually navigate
00:35:07.760
And because of that, I believe definitely deep down there are some probably crazy animals
00:35:22.500
Every Hollywood superhero moving forward will be required to have at least one LGBTQ character
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I mean, they're not even able to get nominated for certain awards unless they check these boxes,
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This is why I've said it might get worse before it get better.
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They really don't care about what customers think at all.
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It's like, they want to get the admiration from the peers.
00:35:56.320
So it'd be any of that ESG stuff, whatever that is, they have to check the box so they feel like
00:36:02.320
So for sure, you're going to get, even though it's an over-representation, I don't know if
00:36:06.040
you saw that GLAAD, they had did some like end of year, like they went through all the
00:36:12.800
TV shows and they were looking at, it's really detailed.
00:36:15.860
And in comparison to the population, they're actually vastly, it's not even close, over-represented.
00:36:23.520
You're not, you're telling me that not 97% of human beings are transgender or something?
00:36:30.180
And when they published that, I was like, they're kind of doing themselves in there because
00:36:35.920
They need to be represented like this, the world outside.
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This is why old stuff has to be changed because this is how it looks.
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And you see those percentages and it's like 20% here of like 50% here.
00:36:54.740
It's like, I didn't realize that everybody was a lesbian.
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It's racist to cast black actors as traditionally white characters.
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It's racist to cast black actors as traditionally white characters.
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I'm going to say, you would say it's not racist.
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That's the term that I, I see what, you know, that's what I call it.
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So when I see race swaps, you can even apply gender, sexuality, all that stuff.
00:37:55.000
So for me, I do think it is a slap in the face and I do think it is.
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The reason why I would call it slightly racist, and I don't use that term loosely, is because
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they often, like, let's speak about superheroes, excuse me.
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They have an encyclopedia that they put out all the time.
00:38:16.780
Where they have a, I mean, an incredible amount of, let's say, non-white characters.
00:38:21.400
They get left on the shelf and their version of representation or trying to do something
00:38:28.520
that is quote unquote black is turning something that everybody recognizes as white to just
00:38:38.240
And then they just say, hey, here's a palette swap.
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And it's racist in the sense that it is, the decision is made almost entirely on the
00:38:55.720
The counterexample to this is Denzel in Macbeth, I think.
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I think he's one of the greatest living actors.
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So, you know, you'd say, okay, it should be a Scottish part.
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But Shakespeare, I think, has transcended a limit for, that virtually no other writer
00:39:16.520
gets to transcend where his plays are taken as so representative of the universal human
00:39:28.160
Whereas, like, black James Bond, I would say, well, I don't know.
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It's like, much as I love the James Bond movies, they have not transcended the limit where
00:39:37.160
I think they're talking about a universal human condition.
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And so, I think, and also Denzel's performance was just so good.
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Do you think that's, like, the time that has passed that makes, to you, do you think
00:39:51.720
I mean, we call Macbeth the Scottish play, but it's not, it's not just about Scotland.
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It's about human beings and power and ambition.
00:40:01.320
And whereas, James Bond is really about, like, a British guy, you know?
00:40:08.660
Now, there was a big debate on this back in, I think it was the 90s, between this guy,
00:40:13.840
Bruce Stein, who was the head of the Yale Repertory Theater and then took over a theater
00:40:17.980
in Boston, the American Repertory Theater, I think, and August Wilson, who was one of the
00:40:23.640
big black playwrights, who did Fences, which is another Denzel movie, actually, and did Ma
00:40:28.280
Rainey's Black Bottom and all these plays that are pretty good.
00:40:31.540
They're not Shakespeare, but they're pretty good.
00:40:33.600
And Bruce Stein was a white liberal, and he said, you need to be able to race swap.
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You need to be able to have colorblind casting.
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And August Wilson, who was, I think he was mixed race, but he identified as black, he said,
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no, you need white parts for white people, black parts for black people.
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And at the time, Bruce Stein's view was the liberal view, but now, August Wilson's view
00:40:58.140
And I don't know, it just keeps switching, and anything you do, you're damned if you do
00:41:02.540
But I agree, I guess, okay, I'm going to give you the point that you got me right.
00:41:06.200
Because it is, when they do it, they're doing it because they're saying like, hey, we're
00:41:12.540
going to give this little token to a black guy, and we're going to stick it to the white
00:41:23.300
Drag Queen Story Hour is protected under the First Amendment.
00:41:38.220
The reason why I'll say this is, oh my God, definitely because it involves children.
00:41:43.860
Obviously, that's the big issue with it, the core issue with it.
00:41:46.840
But you look at even what historically, actually, drag has a lot of similarities historically
00:41:54.400
It's actually came about around the same, roughly the same time, and really for the same
00:42:00.060
You had black actors that couldn't act in these plays, obviously, and they thought to
00:42:04.340
make these sort of hyper weird versions of them.
00:42:10.440
And for me, it became this, for them, you know, this uber-sexual thing.
00:42:16.220
And I think for people that value liberty, and I'm saying this obviously as a libertarian,
00:42:20.780
we recognize that, you know, children and protecting their sanctity is something that
00:42:27.280
And to me, drag queen, story hour, you take this sexualized sort of, I don't know, subculture,
00:42:38.420
Parading around in that, and then speaking to children.
00:42:41.260
Like, that would, I would imagine, though, unfortunately, not enough people would be
00:42:47.020
And that doesn't fall under some umbrella of being, of it being liberty, or being based
00:42:53.140
If we accept that children can't consent, and we accept the idea that their innocence should
00:42:58.220
be preserved, then that is something that is rotten and abhorrent, right?
00:43:02.860
That's the thing about the really hardcore libertarian types today, who I would identify as on the
00:43:08.160
right, they're not these relativist, squishy jokes who say, you know, well, actually, you
00:43:16.000
know, James Madison secretly wanted a bunch of drag queens to jiggle for kids.
00:43:23.320
The ones today who are really hardcore are the ones who have a, not a relativistic framework,
00:43:27.920
very hardcore, objective framework of morality.
00:43:36.200
You know, it's the squish libertarians who say, well, actually, you know, the states
00:43:39.540
can decide, you know, and it's like, no, you're saying, no, actually, if we have any
00:43:43.440
rights at all, we've got the right to life, right?
00:43:51.660
You're making me at least very amenable to libertarians.
00:44:18.940
I'm a big metal guy, huge metal guy, massive performance.
00:44:23.440
And though I will say that if I am to put them both like on a just straight artistic level,
00:44:30.300
I have to put metal above rap, and I say this as a guy that has performed in both genres,
00:44:38.400
though, yeah, as of late, primarily metal, just because the instrumentation and all that
00:44:42.480
stuff, and there's a level of creativity that comes with rap, but you can't really get away
00:44:47.180
with being a terrible metal artist, but you can certainly get away with being a terrible
00:44:56.480
No, man, listen, I mean, my name is Wonder Mike, and I've come to say hello to the black,
00:45:00.080
the white, the red, and the brown, the purple, and yellow.
00:45:02.260
So, I'm very well aware of the intricacies of rapping.
00:45:06.820
I think you're right, too, on the instrumentation, because, you know, metal is too percussive and
00:45:22.100
But the melodies can be really wild, right, because it's just, you know, not the vocal
00:45:25.780
melodies, but the guitars are just like flying everywhere, you know, I'm thinking like Yngwie
00:45:28.800
Malmsteen or some like insane, you know, virtuosic playing.
00:45:31.940
Whereas for rap, you don't usually get melody, you get too much percussion in metal, but you
00:45:38.620
also get too much percussion in rap, too, so I think that's about even.
00:45:42.540
The one, I'll probably get canceled for saying this, the one exception to rap, though, is like
00:45:48.960
Kanye, who, at this time of hardcore gangster rap, comes in and just reintroduces this really
00:45:55.660
light, melodic, kind of musically interesting type of rap.
00:46:00.080
But that's the problem, and why, if we're going to talk about it as a genre, you know,
00:46:04.980
yeah, you have those, you've Kanye's, the Lauryn Hills, and the people that are producing
00:46:09.920
the rap that have been able to blend genres as well as be able to obviously show that they
00:46:16.120
have a creative bone in their body, and even like from the rap stuff, you know, the Nas
00:46:20.440
is where they're being actual wordsmith, right?
00:46:23.580
Not just rhyming the end of the word, but like being actual wordsmith.
00:46:27.160
But again, the problem is, is that as a genre, that's not the main thing.
00:46:32.540
It's not what's going to hit the billboard charts.
00:46:36.160
Whereas, again, with metal music, there's no room for that.
00:46:39.520
There's no, I don't know who the, maybe a hot rapper is, but there's no like metal
00:46:44.240
equivalent to that, you know, it doesn't exist.
00:46:59.140
You know, remember with Seinfeld, they said like, no, there's anything wrong with that.
00:47:07.460
At this point, yeah, you're going to get judged, and rightfully so.
00:47:11.620
Like, I'm not saying that I'm going to like, send the police to your home to arrest you,
00:47:18.340
but it's like, there's something a little wrong if you're picking up Bud Light.
00:47:21.880
I mean, this thing became so massive, man, that even like normies know about what's going
00:47:29.220
Like, even people that just don't, they don't keep up with it.
00:47:31.400
That's the marker, is when the normies figure out, not these people who are watching politics
00:47:37.260
Normies now understand it, and I think, yeah, I mean, if their stock is anything or their
00:47:42.240
brand in itself is anything to show for it, people are responding the way that they are.
00:47:46.720
But yeah, you, I mean, we make jokes about it now.
00:47:49.740
I mean, I don't think that's ever going to go away.
00:47:51.260
You do something mildly fruity, we're going to say, oh, that guy drinks Bud Light.
00:47:55.720
I knew I was at this wedding for my cousin, and so, you know, the cousins are pretty close,
00:48:02.960
And this one cousin comes over and he's like, hey, hey, Michael, you need another drink?
00:48:14.240
And I thought, man, if this is a, I've had liberal friends make this joke.
00:48:37.840
It ruins the movie about, I think this is the key, 97% of the time.
00:48:44.360
So maybe you disagree on the percentage, but let's say 97% of the time.
00:49:15.600
But as a hard rule for filmmaking, the problem with women fighting in the movies is not the fighting.
00:49:27.600
And so women, I would allow in very, you know, tastefully shot, you know, where it's not too graphic or anything.
00:49:34.900
I would allow the studios to allow women to fight in the movies.
00:49:39.340
Like you can't have some little girl beating up the Hulk, you know.
00:49:41.980
And that's why I would say, you know, this is what I'll say.
00:49:50.620
I think if it's done, and even definitely, especially with like Kill Bill or something, you know.
00:49:56.080
Let's say they're fighting like even another woman or something like that.
00:50:15.420
But yeah, if you get some like, even if they do have powers, but if it's like some scrawny,
00:50:22.440
and generally they kind of do that, not built, probably, it's not believable, right?
00:50:26.720
And it's like, the first thing that's going to go in your mind is like, all right, this
00:50:30.740
Black Widow kind of, it happens sometimes, right?
00:50:33.440
Where it's like, she just went in and destroyed like all of these built dudes that are also
00:50:38.640
like probably as, in levels of expertise, probably up there with her.
00:50:51.600
I remember in one of the new Star Warses, one of the Disney Star Warses, I guess it
00:50:56.400
was the first one, maybe, where the little girl is fighting the big new Darth Vader guy,
00:51:05.820
That's not in any way, like, do you know what muscle is?
00:51:08.920
Do you know what swords are like to fight with?
00:51:21.320
I mean, it can't just be like, okay, I'm a chick, but I've got girl power.
00:51:24.800
Well, yeah, see, and that seems to me why I think so many people are leaning towards
00:51:28.840
this moronic idea that, well, people have a problem with women being in action films,
00:51:36.920
I think more it's the setting that they're being put in, and people are like, this is
00:51:49.760
And Eric, I truly have no idea who won or lost that game.
00:52:07.400
But there's several other covers that you can get as well.
00:52:17.240
It wasn't supposed to happen when it happened the first time.
00:52:27.940
And look, I'm just thankful to be in a position where we're able to employ people in an industry
00:52:35.680
Not only have you softened me on libertarianism,