The Michael Knowles Show - ＂They Said I Would Die Unless I Took It＂ Michael & The Miracle ｜ Corley Spell

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00:00:24.540 But honestly, I didn't allow myself to, like, I didn't Google it.

00:00:31.260 I didn't look it up.

00:00:32.320 How long I might have.

00:00:33.560 Like, I just, I never, ever went down that path.

00:00:36.700 And we get home and I told Ben, I said, well, I'm not taking the chemotherapy pills.

00:00:42.100 And he was like, wait, what?

00:00:44.100 You know, like, what if the Lord's using this for the healing?

00:00:46.780 Sort of like, you know, the life raft to the guy.

00:00:49.340 Yes, exactly.

00:00:50.520 A week later, we go back into MD Anderson and my oncologist walks in.

00:00:54.540 And she's reading her paper.

00:00:55.600 She's reading the results.

00:00:56.420 She's like, okay, good news.

00:00:58.380 Everything was dead.

00:00:59.660 Every single piece of cancer that we took out was dead.

00:01:03.760 She's like, the pills worked.

00:01:04.900 And then I said, Dr. Amari, I did not take the chemotherapy pills.

00:01:09.460 And at this point, she thinks I'm a crazy person.

00:01:11.440 Do miracles still occur?

00:01:24.420 I am so pleased to sit down with my friend, Corley Spell, for a conversation that I have

00:01:30.200 been trying to have for, I think, six months now.

00:01:33.700 Corley, thank you for being here.

00:01:35.340 Thank you for having me.

00:01:36.660 It has been a while.

00:01:37.700 But, you know, sometimes good things just take a while to get to.

00:01:40.880 But here we are.

00:01:41.600 That's true.

00:01:42.120 And, you know, in God's providence, things come up, things change.

00:01:45.440 And I guess that's a big topic of our conversation today.

00:01:48.180 Yeah.

00:01:48.460 For those who don't know you, they might secretly know you, actually, because you are the first

00:01:53.820 lady of American meat. 1.00

00:01:55.160 Oh, my gosh.

00:01:55.740 You are.

00:01:56.660 You are.

00:01:57.460 You're the wife of Good Ranchers. 1.00

00:02:01.180 Well, not the, you're the wife of your husband.

00:02:03.060 Yes, yes.

00:02:03.260 But your husband started Good Ranchers, one of the all-time great, not only sponsors of

00:02:08.420 this show, but one of the all-time great American companies.

00:02:11.400 Yes.

00:02:11.980 So, so happy to be a sponsor for this show, first of all.

00:02:15.420 But I never set out to be the meat lady, but here I am.

00:02:20.020 It's a great distinction to have.

00:02:21.480 It just comes with, yeah, the life, for sure.

00:02:24.260 So, look, I could sit here and talk about Good Rancher's Beef.

00:02:27.100 I'm not, no hyperbole at all.

00:02:28.860 I could sit here and talk about it for like five hours.

00:02:30.580 I know.

00:02:30.960 But that's actually not what I want to talk about.

00:02:32.620 No.

00:02:33.020 Because I forget, this was six months ago or so, we were at some event, we were talking,

00:02:36.440 and I was hearing your story about a personal medical crisis.

00:02:43.760 And it grabbed me, because we hear so much today of the demonic, of the satanic, of the

00:02:51.220 dark, of the occult, of all these, and we don't hear quite as much about grace and potentially

00:02:59.020 even miracles.

00:03:00.460 It even ties in with one of the bigger conversations we're having about food and health. 0.82

00:03:06.140 You know, the Maha movement, President Trump coming in, Bobby Kennedy getting all the garbage 0.96

00:03:11.140 out of food and pharmaceuticals.

00:03:14.180 So, there's distinctions to be had within natural science.

00:03:20.180 And then there's another level, which is supernatural science, maybe.

00:03:24.420 Miracles.

00:03:25.140 Yeah.

00:03:25.740 You had cancer.

00:03:26.920 Mm-hmm.

00:03:27.420 Now you don't.

00:03:28.640 Yeah.

00:03:29.000 How did that happen?

00:03:30.160 Yeah.

00:03:31.400 So, take it back to when I was, I was 30 years old.

00:03:34.800 And so, this was back in 2020, when I was first diagnosed.

00:03:40.520 And I had just found out we were pregnant with our fourth baby at the time, very newly

00:03:44.920 pregnant, six weeks pregnant.

00:03:47.280 And I went in for a dermatologist appointment with my husband, Ben, because he had a weird

00:03:52.060 spot.

00:03:52.660 Turns out he's fine, but it was actually me.

00:03:55.420 They found a spot.

00:03:56.420 We sent it in.

00:03:57.700 And it came back as skin cancer melanoma, which is very serious.

00:04:02.120 I, at the time, knew nothing about cancer or skin cancer, let alone.

00:04:06.760 And melanoma is the deadliest form of skin cancer.

00:04:10.140 It accounts for over 75% of skin cancer death.

00:04:14.020 So, it's very serious.

00:04:16.780 Of course, I was shocked.

00:04:18.060 I mean, I was pregnant and 30 years old.

00:04:21.180 And to get a phone call that you have cancer, we're sending you to MD Anderson.

00:04:24.980 I mean, it's just, it wrecks you.

00:04:29.400 Especially, you have three kids at home already.

00:04:31.720 You're pregnant with your fourth.

00:04:32.780 All young. 0.54

00:04:33.440 Yeah.

00:04:33.660 We had, you know, three kids in three years with another one on the way and, you know,

00:04:37.960 having a business.

00:04:38.940 I mean, our life was very, very busy in the best ways.

00:04:42.900 But getting a diagnosis like that really just makes you pause and start looking at things

00:04:50.240 differently.

00:04:51.360 So, you're in the doctor's office.

00:04:53.540 You think you're going in because of your husband's issue.

00:04:57.120 You find out you have a very serious form of cancer.

00:05:00.280 How far pregnant are you at this point? 0.77

00:05:02.920 I was six weeks pregnant.

00:05:04.560 So, you're right at the beginning.

00:05:06.880 What do you do?

00:05:08.560 Well, then my dermatologist sent me to MD Anderson.

00:05:11.540 And so, we went and sat down with a team of oncologists because I was a special case because

00:05:16.780 I was pregnant.

00:05:18.060 And there they tried to pressure me into having an abortion multiple times.

00:05:23.420 We can't do scans if you're pregnant. 1.00

00:05:25.360 We can't do treatment if you're pregnant. 1.00

00:05:27.420 The best thing for you and talking to Ben directly to get him to pressure me also is

00:05:33.220 to abort this pregnancy.

00:05:35.880 What does Ben say?

00:05:37.580 Oh, he just laughed.

00:05:38.620 He's like, well, that's not happening.

00:05:40.200 So, what's plan B?

00:05:41.800 Give me plan B.

00:05:42.900 But finally, they understood where we were at and we weren't budging.

00:05:47.580 And so, then they finally began to have other conversations with us.

00:05:51.720 You know, doctors do this. 0.97

00:05:52.900 Yeah.

00:05:53.720 Where they'll tell you, I mean, even if you're going in for fertility treatments, first thing

00:05:57.880 they try to push is IVF.

00:05:59.980 Yeah.

00:06:00.280 Which often entails abortion.

00:06:01.760 Usually entails some version of abortion.

00:06:03.480 Yeah.

00:06:04.220 And they just push it on you.

00:06:05.480 And if you dismiss it out of hand, they look at you like you have three heads.

00:06:08.480 They often keep pushing it.

00:06:10.220 When you go in, when you're pregnant, and you get your scan, and they say, okay, well,

00:06:14.820 do you want to do the blood test?

00:06:16.120 Do you want to find out if maybe there are problems, trisomy, Down syndrome?

00:06:20.260 Yeah.

00:06:20.560 And when you say, well, it wouldn't make any difference, they look at you like you have

00:06:23.940 three heads.

00:06:24.380 There is an immense amount of pressure.

00:06:26.200 And especially, probably the most extreme form of pressure is if you're diagnosed with cancer.

00:06:31.160 Yeah. 1.00

00:06:31.560 So, you got to kill your kid. 1.00

00:06:32.960 Yeah. 1.00

00:06:33.140 Did you ever have, everybody's weak, did you ever have any fleeting second where you

00:06:39.480 thought, well, maybe not for a second?

00:06:43.480 And I think that's why it's important to know where you're at before you have to be in a

00:06:48.860 situation.

00:06:49.460 Because I can see where if I wasn't so grounded in my faith and far along in that, maybe I

00:06:56.640 would have.

00:06:57.080 Maybe I would have been like, oh my gosh, maybe I do need to be here for my other three

00:07:00.960 kids.

00:07:01.260 You know, maybe I am not putting their needs before mine right now.

00:07:05.260 I mean, they try very, very hard to persuade you.

00:07:09.220 But no, we obviously didn't do that.

00:07:11.900 I have four babies and they're all healthy.

00:07:13.520 And so, from there, they said, okay, we'll just do surgery during your second trimester. 0.97

00:07:19.480 That's when the baby is safest.

00:07:21.260 And then we'll go from there to see what stage you're at.

00:07:23.540 And we prayed about it and we felt peace with that.

00:07:26.740 And so, we did that and surgery was fine.

00:07:28.920 They just removed the skin around that. 0.94

00:07:31.640 And it was all clear, except they did biopsy one lymph node that was nearby and that tested

00:07:37.400 positive for cancer.

00:07:38.560 So, now you're, it's right after the first trimester.

00:07:42.800 They cut the cancer off your skin and they say, oh, sorry, bad news.

00:07:47.340 The cancer spread to your lymph nodes.

00:07:49.120 Yes.

00:07:49.460 Which puts me at stage three.

00:07:51.380 But it was small enough that they were comfortable letting me go full term with the pregnancy.

00:07:58.760 I mean, they were throwing out horrific scenarios leading up to this.

00:08:02.500 So, the fact that they were okay with me going full term, you know, was good.

00:08:08.140 But still, LOL, you know, I was going to do that regardless.

00:08:12.140 So, the baby came.

00:08:14.500 She was healthy.

00:08:15.420 And so, after that, we just did watch and scans.

00:08:17.780 And, I mean, I had a newborn and three toddlers.

00:08:21.720 So, I can look back and feel like maybe I put my head in the sand and pretended like it

00:08:25.640 didn't happen.

00:08:26.300 But in my heart, I just know that that chapter didn't feel closed yet because of the second

00:08:32.360 diagnosis that I got back in January of 2024.

00:08:36.820 So, you're pregnant in 2020. 0.85

00:08:39.600 You get the first diagnosis in 2020.

00:08:41.500 So, your kid is three years old.

00:08:43.600 Yeah.

00:08:44.320 No, no, no.

00:08:44.720 Which kid?

00:08:45.160 The youngest would be three years old by the time that you get the second diagnosis.

00:08:50.320 Yeah.

00:08:51.260 So, all the scans were clear up until January of 2024.

00:08:56.180 I felt a swollen lymph node next to the one that they had removed.

00:09:00.440 And I was like, dang it, I know what this is.

00:09:04.360 And so, I went back to MD Anderson and did a biopsy.

00:09:08.560 And sure enough, it's melanoma again.

00:09:11.120 It's cancer.

00:09:11.840 And it's in a different lymph node, obviously.

00:09:15.240 And so, that puts it at stage 3C.

00:09:19.000 And so, they sit me down and start having very serious conversations with me.

00:09:23.160 This is advanced.

00:09:25.500 Start going over all the horrible statistics.

00:09:29.580 But...

00:09:30.020 What are the statistics?

00:09:31.260 Do you remember?

00:09:32.140 I mean, I just know melanoma in itself is very, very deadly.

00:09:35.660 And the higher you get in staging, the worse it is.

00:09:39.800 But honestly, I didn't allow myself to, like...

00:09:41.900 I didn't Google it.

00:09:42.940 I didn't look it up.

00:09:45.220 How long I might have.

00:09:46.680 Like, I just...

00:09:47.320 I never, ever went down that path in my mind.

00:09:51.140 I just...

00:09:51.980 I didn't.

00:09:52.600 I didn't accept it.

00:09:53.560 I wasn't denying reality or truth.

00:09:55.880 But I was aligning my heart and my spirit and my faith with God's truth.

00:10:02.220 You know, I get it.

00:10:04.060 I get what you're saying.

00:10:05.060 Because I think I'm more inclined that way.

00:10:08.120 Probably more than the average person.

00:10:09.880 Yeah.

00:10:09.980 I say, well, God's will be done.

00:10:12.880 Whether his active will or his passive will, God's providence, you know, is over everything.

00:10:17.320 I'm just a man, though.

00:10:20.500 And I don't think I could have resisted that temptation to Google.

00:10:25.160 How long do I have?

00:10:26.100 What are the odds?

00:10:26.920 Grok, tell me.

00:10:28.140 I just didn't.

00:10:28.960 I just didn't want to go down that dark rabbit trail of thoughts.

00:10:33.480 Because I think that's when the enemy starts tormenting you, is in your thoughts.

00:10:38.980 When you start to have this servile fear.

00:10:42.660 Like, what if?

00:10:43.220 A grand anxiety.

00:10:44.220 What if?

00:10:44.740 Like, what is that information going to do for me?

00:10:47.580 I was like, it's not going to serve me in any way.

00:10:50.920 It's not going to extend your life by one hour.

00:10:53.460 Right?

00:10:53.760 That's a good point.

00:10:54.560 That's a very good point.

00:10:54.960 I mean, that's what the Bible, the Word tells us.

00:10:56.820 In fact, yes.

00:10:57.260 It doesn't add a day.

00:10:58.420 You know, I'm not going to sit and worry.

00:11:00.700 And because it was my second time, I just feel like the Lord prepared me for that moment.

00:11:05.740 Because, I mean, I remember talking to families and, you know, our pastor, our family members and our pastor at the time.

00:11:12.040 And just saying, no, I'm going to be healed.

00:11:14.860 Like, God's going to walk me through this.

00:11:16.020 It's going to be fine.

00:11:16.940 She's very positive.

00:11:18.340 And Ben being like, you know, yes, she's so positive.

00:11:21.260 But it is really hard.

00:11:22.780 And I remember I had to, like, come on.

00:11:25.120 And usually he's the positive, optimistic one.

00:11:28.900 But in that moment, he was looking to me and saying, like, oh, my gosh.

00:11:32.760 Like, her faith is so strong right now.

00:11:35.400 And I just, it's not me.

00:11:36.700 Like, it was totally the Lord.

00:11:37.800 Like, I just, I don't want any of this to be like, oh, she's so strong.

00:11:41.140 It was, the Lord was my strength, is my strength.

00:11:44.260 And that's how we walked through it.

00:11:46.120 And then after that, it got really, really bad.

00:11:48.720 It's an interesting distinction here between optimism and hope.

00:11:52.180 Yeah.

00:11:52.460 Because the thing about optimism, which is just always being super positive and even denying harsh realities.

00:11:59.720 Right.

00:11:59.800 The thing about optimism is it can lead you even more quickly to despair when things don't work out.

00:12:06.000 Exactly.

00:12:06.320 If you insist unrealistically, things are always going to be roses, they're always going to come up sunshine, and nothing I ever don't like is going to happen.

00:12:12.580 Right.

00:12:13.260 You can fall into despair when that doesn't happen.

00:12:15.320 Whereas what you're talking about is really hope.

00:12:18.660 That's really the theological virtue of, hey, I trust God.

00:12:22.580 And as a practical matter, there's nothing I can do anyway.

00:12:26.260 Yeah.

00:12:26.680 So it's kind of, in a way, your view of things, some people will say that's idealistic.

00:12:34.020 Right.

00:12:34.360 Or head in the clouds or something.

00:12:35.500 But actually, yours is the most practical view.

00:12:38.500 You say, well, all I can do is trust God.

00:12:40.340 Why wouldn't I just do that?

00:12:41.600 I know.

00:12:42.180 And I was like, well, what's the point of the cross?

00:12:44.420 Like, what do you accomplish on the cross if I'm not going to believe that by his stripes I'm healed?

00:12:48.740 Like, I just decided in my spirit and my soul that I was going to believe God's word and just take him at his word.

00:12:57.120 And even if he called me home, like, we don't lose as Christians.

00:13:02.140 Like, that's the beautiful part of it.

00:13:03.940 Through the suffering, like, no matter what the end is, we have eternity.

00:13:08.440 Like, we just don't lose.

00:13:10.520 And so I decided I was going to walk through it with that mentality.

00:13:14.640 You know, I think there was an observation.

00:13:16.280 I just came across it yesterday, actually, of St. Thomas More, who met a grisly end because of King Henry VIII.

00:13:22.640 But he said, look, it's all up to God.

00:13:25.620 And whatever happens, even if I don't really seem to like it at any given moment, whatever happens, I know that if God wills it, and even if God is permitting it, it is for the best.

00:13:37.680 I just know that.

00:13:38.720 Yeah, exactly.

00:13:39.600 So that's your attitude going into this.

00:13:41.520 Yeah.

00:13:42.000 But you say that's when it got really bad.

00:13:44.720 It got bad.

00:13:46.100 So that was January, and then we had to make a decision.

00:13:50.100 Are we going to go full holistic and alternative and, you know, not do any conventional medicine?

00:13:56.080 Are we going to do all conventional?

00:13:58.600 And so we really had to pray about it, and that took a while, a few weeks, to decide, which really upset my oncology team because I wasn't making a decision, like, right, you know, then in front of them, jumping into treatments.

00:14:09.680 And so we decided that doing an integrative approach is what we wanted to do.

00:14:14.700 So a little holistic, woo-woo, hippy-dippy, a little bit.

00:14:17.460 No woo-woo. 0.97

00:14:18.800 No woo-woo. 0.97

00:14:20.100 I'm being slightly caricaturing here.

00:14:23.040 But some of the, you know, not quite tea leaves, but that stuff.

00:14:26.120 And then some of it being radiation or something like that.

00:14:29.320 Yeah.

00:14:29.520 So I went to, I had a friend, and she went to the Cancer Center for Healing, which is in Irvine, California, with Dr. Keneally.

00:14:37.120 And she had great things to say about it because I was fully prepared to go to Mexico and just juice, you know, this away.

00:14:43.160 Chew on roots or something.

00:14:44.780 Right, right.

00:14:45.440 And so I felt comfortable with California because my kids were so little.

00:14:49.540 I didn't want to be out of the country for weeks at a time, you know, without them.

00:14:53.220 And so we went there, and I did a bunch of holistic treatments to boost my immune system.

00:15:00.000 Went on a very strict ketogenic diet sponsored by Good Ranchers.

00:15:04.300 Talk about a perk of the job.

00:15:07.540 Yeah.

00:15:07.960 You had a lot of good, high-quality beef.

00:15:10.100 I know.

00:15:10.680 I didn't have to worry about my meat.

00:15:12.140 My protein source, like, it was clean.

00:15:13.840 Like, it really was nice.

00:15:15.600 And, you know, everyone at this center ended up wanting some of it, too, which was sweet.

00:15:20.480 But anyways, yeah.

00:15:22.900 And so I was there for about three weeks, came back home, felt just better than I had.

00:15:28.160 And I don't remember the last time I felt that good.

00:15:30.240 Just I had lost 30 pounds of baby weight, you know, everything inside, all of my blood tests and my scans.

00:15:38.540 Everything was just very, very good.

00:15:40.640 And every good result I got back, I was just, like, tucking in a way, like, yes, more good news, more good news.

00:15:46.000 And then when I went back to MD Anderson, the plan with them was to do two rounds of immunotherapy, which I don't know if you know much about immunotherapy.

00:15:54.820 Nothing.

00:15:55.560 So it's not like chemo where chemo is very harsh and kind of kills everything while it's killing the cancer, hopefully.

00:16:02.600 Immunotherapy is more of a systematic, like, it wakes up your immune system to fight.

00:16:07.640 And it lasts for longer than chemo.

00:16:11.420 And so we prayed about that as well and felt good about that option.

00:16:15.280 And so we were to do two doses of that and then surgery to remove the tumor.

00:16:21.500 And so going for my first dose, this is in March of 24, feeling great.

00:16:27.940 It's IV, inter-whatever.

00:16:30.820 And we start that.

00:16:32.380 And then about two weeks later, I started feeling really bad.

00:16:35.120 I started running high fevers all around the clock.

00:16:38.900 The night sweats were horrible.

00:16:40.320 But I was like, it's fine.

00:16:42.300 My immune system's waking up.

00:16:43.840 It's fighting.

00:16:44.620 Like, I'm not scared of fevers.

00:16:46.400 You know, we're going to be okay.

00:16:48.240 And then it got even worse, though.

00:16:51.200 And the spot, so the lymph node was in my groin.

00:16:54.200 And it started out like the size of a marble, probably.

00:16:57.140 I mean, it was like the size of a grapefruit.

00:16:59.100 It was huge and inflamed and red, and I could barely walk.

00:17:05.440 Are you saying that for rhetorical effect, or literally it was the size of a grapefruit?

00:17:09.120 No, literally.

00:17:09.920 It was this, like, in this region, it was this big.

00:17:13.400 Like, and so I'm like, Lord, what is going on, you know?

00:17:20.020 And I can say it now because it has a happy ending.

00:17:22.740 But, I mean, in those weeks, just being a mom of young children and not being able to go upstairs to put them to bed and make their meals and take care of them.

00:17:36.900 I mean, it was the hardest two weeks of my life, okay?

00:17:43.240 That's the part.

00:17:44.340 You know, that's the part, I think, especially for young men, young, unmarried men.

00:17:49.160 They think, look, if I'm struck down gloriously in battle someday, so be it.

00:17:53.700 You know, that's a fine.

00:17:54.820 And then the minute you get married, now you say, okay, well, different calculus.

00:18:00.920 Maybe that elevates the worry a little bit.

00:18:03.900 Yeah.

00:18:04.340 The minute you have your first kid.

00:18:07.160 Yeah.

00:18:07.940 Through the roof.

00:18:08.580 And you think, well.

00:18:09.240 Truly.

00:18:09.460 Because you're not concerned about the injustice to you.

00:18:13.660 You're not concerned about, ultimately, about paying for you.

00:18:16.300 It's the grave injustice to the kids.

00:18:19.260 Yes.

00:18:19.580 Especially if you have multiple kids, especially if you have little kids.

00:18:21.600 By the way, that's just my own thought as a father.

00:18:24.300 And when you've got little kids, the father's not the biggest deal.

00:18:29.000 No.

00:18:29.560 You know, actually, it's like 90% mama.

00:18:33.320 Yeah.

00:18:33.860 So you have all of this running through your head.

00:18:36.200 You have a grapefruit in your pelvis.

00:18:38.560 Yeah. 0.92

00:18:40.540 It's horrible.

00:18:41.260 It looks horrible.

00:18:41.820 I feel horrible.

00:18:43.660 So I go in.

00:18:44.700 So the first dose, they said, wait four weeks, come back for the second dose.

00:18:48.300 So I go in for the second one.

00:18:49.580 And I'm just, I feel terrible.

00:18:50.880 And I tell my oncologist, I'm like, what do people do?

00:18:53.580 Like, if they feel this bad, do they do the second dose?

00:18:55.960 Like, what are people doing?

00:18:56.900 And she said, well, usually they opt out.

00:18:59.260 I give them a steroid shot, which kind of takes you out of the immunotherapy.

00:19:03.860 And, you know, we just go from there.

00:19:06.180 And I was, I asked her, I was like, well, what do you think I should do?

00:19:09.300 She said, I think you should do it.

00:19:10.860 And I said, okay.

00:19:12.280 You should take the steroid and get out of it.

00:19:13.880 No, no, no.

00:19:14.360 Do the second dose.

00:19:15.160 Do the second.

00:19:15.440 Yes.

00:19:15.680 Okay.

00:19:16.140 And I said, okay, I'm not a quitter.

00:19:18.460 Like, I'm very competitive.

00:19:19.740 I said, I can do this.

00:19:21.960 And so stay there, do the second dose, go home.

00:19:27.060 And then, like, a week later, I'm, like, bedridden.

00:19:31.140 I had to go to the ER multiple times because we thought I was dying.

00:19:37.220 Yeah.

00:19:37.780 Can't walk.

00:19:38.580 Can't get out of bed.

00:19:39.240 I couldn't even sit up to, like, brush my daughter's hair.

00:19:42.580 It was so bad.

00:19:44.100 Just so sick.

00:19:45.000 Like, but in that moment, I remember, because I had been just so strong, like, mentally and in my faith, but, like, in that moment, I remember telling my mom, I was, like, even if he is calling me home, I'm just so thankful for everything he's already done.

00:20:05.600 Like, my salvation, the cross, like, my family.

00:20:08.180 Like, he's already done so much for me.

00:20:09.900 Like, I'm not, I'm not going to hold this against him, you know?

00:20:14.660 Like, like, I feel like I fully surrendered in that moment.

00:20:20.860 And I remember talking to my sister, and I was, and I asked her, I was, like, what if this is, what if this is the end?

00:20:26.320 And I think whenever you have to contemplate your mortality, like, your actual death, you know, when you get hit by a bus or something, you don't really think about it.

00:20:35.240 But when you have to sit there through the sickness and think through it, I think that's when your roots really, really go down in your faith.

00:20:46.300 Because you have to look at it and say, I'm okay.

00:20:51.340 I am fully surrendered with whatever you have for me, Lord.

00:20:54.020 And I had to, and I had to do that.

00:20:55.480 And actually, it was the peace.

00:20:56.500 It was the peace that they talk about, right?

00:20:58.540 Like, that just surpasses all understanding.

00:21:01.260 That's what was over my mind and my body in that time.

00:21:04.080 Because I was fully surrendered.

00:21:05.160 I was, like, take me home.

00:21:07.220 Like, because I really went from, I'm not going to die.

00:21:10.120 I feel like I'm dying to, I kind of want to die because I am in so much pain.

00:21:14.580 It was bad.

00:21:18.040 So, in this moment, it's not just that you're contemplating what happens if I die.

00:21:23.440 Yeah.

00:21:24.220 You are dying.

00:21:25.340 Yeah.

00:21:25.880 You are in the process.

00:21:28.480 Yeah.

00:21:31.280 I've wondered this.

00:21:32.480 I've had plenty of friends who have died.

00:21:35.080 What's it like to be dying?

00:21:36.900 Yeah.

00:21:37.160 You know, looking back, I think before, I think I had a fear of death, which we shouldn't, right?

00:21:47.140 But I think I was just an immature believer at that point.

00:21:50.620 And now I look at it as I'm just getting closer to eternity.

00:21:56.020 And so, yes, it's very sad.

00:21:57.940 All the things you have to leave behind that they still have to go, right?

00:22:01.380 They're in the waiting room at that point, right?

00:22:02.800 Like, you're there.

00:22:04.480 They're the ones that have to wait it out, which is sad.

00:22:06.720 But we have today.

00:22:09.960 Today is a gift.

00:22:10.780 And I asked my sister, I was like, what if he's calling me home?

00:22:12.960 And she just reminded me, she's like, whether you have cancer or not, you have today.

00:22:17.740 Tomorrow is not guaranteed.

00:22:19.140 So you can't get caught up in the what ifs.

00:22:21.100 Right.

00:22:21.620 Because you have today and you have this very breath and you need to be thankful for it.

00:22:25.780 And so I did.

00:22:28.360 And then we went for follow-up scans.

00:22:30.940 And those were terrible.

00:22:32.740 They showed that everything got worse.

00:22:36.420 Just like what I was feeling and looking like on the scans, it said it.

00:22:41.940 And my oncologist came in.

00:22:44.440 I mean, Ben had to wheel me into MD Anderson in a wheelchair.

00:22:46.840 I'm not walking at this point.

00:22:49.700 And my oncologist comes in.

00:22:51.980 And she said, well, the cancer laughed at your treatment.

00:22:56.280 It spread all over that lymph node basin.

00:22:59.740 Surgery is not an option anymore.

00:23:03.480 I'm just sitting there.

00:23:05.900 And I'm listening to it.

00:23:07.600 And I hear it.

00:23:08.840 But for some reason, it just didn't feel like the truth.

00:23:13.980 And Ben's hearing it.

00:23:15.180 And he's freaking out.

00:23:16.060 He calls my mom.

00:23:17.040 He's, you know, just taking it all in.

00:23:23.120 And so I asked her, I was like, so what do you do now?

00:23:26.940 What do you suggest?

00:23:27.800 And she said, well, there's a chemotherapy pill that you can take.

00:23:31.320 It's not curative.

00:23:32.300 But it can hopefully shrink it so that we can still do surgery.

00:23:36.780 I said, okay.

00:23:38.200 And so went straight to the ER after that at MD Anderson to get on antibiotics and IVs because, I mean, it was horrible.

00:23:46.540 And they suspected infection because of my blood cell counts.

00:23:50.860 And so on the way down there, I told Ben, I said, what was it like when God told you to start Good Ranchers?

00:24:00.520 Because that was our origin story.

00:24:02.120 He was a worship pastor.

00:24:04.360 We had no meat experience, no agriculture experience.

00:24:07.520 But he just felt like the Lord kept repeatedly telling him, do this, do this, do this.

00:24:11.500 And it was to start a meat company.

00:24:13.420 And one day the Lord was like, no, you do it.

00:24:15.420 You know, I actually didn't even know that story.

00:24:16.720 You didn't know this?

00:24:17.280 I actually didn't know that story.

00:24:18.600 He just kept having this.

00:24:19.540 We were watching a lot of Shark Tank.

00:24:21.420 And he just kept having this idea of a meat company and how if you did it with integrity and ethically, like, it could just be really, really great.

00:24:30.320 He just kept it over and over again.

00:24:31.760 And then one day he came out of the bathroom and he was like, God, I think God just told me to start a meat company.

00:24:36.960 And I'm like, sit down, honey.

00:24:40.440 And we just had our first baby.

00:24:43.440 But honestly, I looked at him and I said, if God told you to do it, I trust you.

00:24:47.500 And that was back in 2017, 2018.

00:24:50.900 And, you know, obviously the Lord's gone before us and blessed that.

00:24:54.140 But I just remember him, he was so shook after hearing that.

00:24:59.360 Like, it was a different speaking experience than, you know, maybe what I had ever experienced through words, scripture, songs, whatever, how the Lord usually is communicating with me.

00:25:12.760 And he said, well, I just knew in the moment that it was truth.

00:25:18.820 And he's like, it wasn't an audible, like, thunderous voice.

00:25:22.080 The heavens didn't open, but I just knew it was truth in my heart and in my spirit.

00:25:26.580 And there was no confusion about who it was that was talking to him.

00:25:28.960 Yes, there was no confusion.

00:25:31.060 He's like, I knew it wasn't my thought.

00:25:33.300 Why?

00:25:34.040 Why are you asking me this?

00:25:35.560 We're in MD Anderson.

00:25:36.820 You're, they're telling me you're dying.

00:25:38.780 You look like you're dying.

00:25:39.620 Why are you asking me this?

00:25:40.860 You know?

00:25:41.140 And I said, well, I just really feel like the Lord told me.

00:25:47.280 Sorry.

00:25:50.680 Like two weeks ago that the cancer was dead.

00:25:54.560 Huh.

00:25:55.680 And he was like, what?

00:25:57.000 And I said, yeah, like, I was, I was just laying there praying.

00:26:03.000 And I just felt like this, um, it was like a thought, like, that was like downloaded into my,

00:26:09.060 my mind that I knew it wasn't from me.

00:26:12.000 And I knew it was from the Lord.

00:26:12.820 And he was like, it's dead.

00:26:14.960 But everything still, like, I looked at, I'm like, are you sure you're not telling me I'm dead?

00:26:19.420 You know, am I hearing this right?

00:26:21.740 But I didn't share it because I just wanted to pray into it and just, you know,

00:26:25.800 make sure that's what I really heard.

00:26:27.680 And then to come here and have these scans and then giving me the death sentence, you

00:26:33.880 know, I don't know what this means.

00:26:36.660 And he said, well, I trust you.

00:26:40.200 I trust God.

00:26:40.920 We're going to believe God's report and not man's report. 0.99

00:26:43.320 And that's exactly what I needed to hear.

00:26:48.180 Because like I said, the enemy, like, he attacks you in your mind, right? 0.95

00:26:51.540 Like, just like in the freaking garden. 0.78

00:26:55.180 Are you sure? 0.95

00:26:56.280 Did God really say that?

00:26:57.620 Like, that was the same lie that he was attacking me with.

00:27:01.620 And I just, I knew that he did.

00:27:03.960 And so I held on to it.

00:27:05.660 And so we're going home.

00:27:07.060 We'd check out.

00:27:07.800 I felt a little better after being in the ER.

00:27:10.600 They sent us home with the chemo pills.

00:27:13.440 And we'd get home.

00:27:14.380 And I told Ben, I said, well, I'm not taking the chemotherapy pills.

00:27:19.440 And he was like, wait, what?

00:27:21.720 You know, like, what if the Lord's using this for the healing?

00:27:24.420 Sort of like, you know, the life raft to the guy.

00:27:27.040 Where were you, Lord?

00:27:28.180 Exactly.

00:27:28.980 And I said, I just know in my spirit I don't need to.

00:27:32.160 I don't have to.

00:27:32.920 So, and like one of the, like the number one side effect of that was more cancer.

00:27:37.860 And I'm like, I don't need anything else added to this.

00:27:41.600 It's like when they say on TV, they say, take this pill for your depression.

00:27:44.940 Yes.

00:27:45.320 Side effects include suicide.

00:27:46.800 You say, well, that doesn't seem like a great cure for my depression.

00:27:49.720 Exactly.

00:27:50.360 That was, that was what that was.

00:27:51.960 And so he said, okay.

00:27:54.020 And then, of course, like my mom pushed back, my sister.

00:27:56.560 I mean, all these people that I know, love and trust that want the best for me.

00:28:00.680 But, but they didn't have the word.

00:28:03.060 I had the word.

00:28:04.260 God gave me the word.

00:28:05.360 And so I just knew that it was truth and I wanted to stick to it.

00:28:09.980 And so I didn't.

00:28:11.120 This is next level because there's just going from I'm going to trust in God and not go totally black pill doomer when the doctors give me the death sentence.

00:28:24.100 Just that alone, I think the vast majority of people cannot do, including, including believing Christians who just through the frailties of this world would have a great deal of trouble doing that.

00:28:33.940 Yeah.

00:28:34.760 That's one level.

00:28:36.660 This is, here's the pill.

00:28:40.040 This is your only option or you will die. 0.60

00:28:43.440 Yeah.

00:28:43.700 And you just have this distinct, and I have friends who have had distinct, have heard distinct voices, you know, where they're clear.

00:28:52.680 This isn't any other kind of voice other than God or the Blessed Mother in one case.

00:28:56.940 Yeah.

00:28:57.080 And you say, I heard, I heard from the man himself.

00:29:03.980 And so I am now going to, I don't want to say gamble my life, but I am, I'm going to stake my life, my only medical option for survival on what I believe is the word of God.

00:29:17.660 Yeah.

00:29:19.280 And it worked.

00:29:20.560 Yeah.

00:29:21.060 I mean, I'm here now.

00:29:24.260 That was back in 24.

00:29:26.020 Yeah.

00:29:26.120 How, how difficult was it to persuade, you don't need to tell tales out of school, how difficult was it to persuade your husband and family that this was the right idea?

00:29:35.240 Honestly, Ben, Ben was on the same page as me.

00:29:37.860 I think he was a little, you know, startled at first maybe, but he totally got on board and he's like, sure, yeah, let's do this.

00:29:45.980 And then finally my mom and my sister got on board eventually.

00:29:50.260 I mean, it did take a couple of days perhaps, or maybe they'd never gone on board.

00:29:54.580 A couple of years maybe.

00:29:55.160 Yeah, I don't, maybe they never did.

00:29:57.560 My mom probably didn't get on board, but then I just, I started feeling better.

00:30:03.300 Every day I started feeling better.

00:30:07.140 The fevers went away.

00:30:08.700 I remember the first day I was able to get out of bed to go to the living room to sit down and brush my daughter's hair.

00:30:13.480 I just, like, within a week I was already feeling better.

00:30:20.820 And so I'm like, okay, Lord, things are happening.

00:30:24.380 Things are looking better.

00:30:26.100 And so the plan was, MD Anderson's plan was to take that for four to six weeks and then do surgery.

00:30:33.680 And so during those four to six weeks, I'm feeling better.

00:30:37.040 I'm not telling them that I didn't take it because I knew they would.

00:30:40.260 Commit you to an insane asylum?

00:30:43.420 Yes. 0.91

00:30:44.160 Or fire me as a patient or whatever.

00:30:46.960 And so I just, we just kind of kept it to ourselves.

00:30:49.240 But I have a wonderful nutritionist and he is a strong man of God and he specialized in oncology.

00:30:54.960 And he told me, he said, hey, you need to ask for a rescan before surgery.

00:31:01.920 I think what they were seeing on those scans was infection and not cancer, or at least some of it.

00:31:07.880 And I said, okay, that aligns with what the Lord told me, you know.

00:31:14.100 I'm not a doctor.

00:31:15.420 I don't know what I'm looking at, right?

00:31:18.460 And so I asked him, MD Anderson, I'm like, well, can I have a rescan before surgery?

00:31:22.620 No, sorry.

00:31:23.680 We don't want to expose you to that much radiation.

00:31:26.420 I'm like, listen, lady.

00:31:28.260 Yeah.

00:31:28.860 Okay.

00:31:29.580 We're past that, I think.

00:31:31.360 And so I pushed and pushed and they finally agreed to an ultrasound of the groin area.

00:31:36.600 And so we did that and they were like, okay, everything's shrunk by over 50% already.

00:31:43.600 The pills are working.

00:31:45.240 And I'm like, sure.

00:31:48.160 Did you tell them?

00:31:49.180 No.

00:31:50.320 No.

00:31:51.560 So they, man.

00:31:53.680 You go in, you say, hey, docs, I'm going to override your medical judgment.

00:31:58.080 Give me a scan.

00:31:58.640 They say, no, no, no, no, no.

00:31:59.780 You push, you get it.

00:32:01.180 And then they say, okay, well, the thing we prescribed that you also didn't listen to is clearly working.

00:32:05.500 And even then you keep straight face.

00:32:07.500 I just knew that God was writing this really, really beautiful and funny story, you know, that it could only have been by the grace of God that it happened.

00:32:19.600 And so they saw that.

00:32:23.480 They said, okay, this is great.

00:32:24.640 Let's do a biopsy of it to see what's going on at a cellular level before we do a rescan.

00:32:30.400 I said, okay.

00:32:31.400 So they bring me in, do four different samples from the tumor, directly from it.

00:32:37.060 All of them are dead.

00:32:38.760 And they are just baffled.

00:32:41.120 They cannot believe it.

00:32:42.940 And they're like, okay, well, this is awesome.

00:32:45.560 We didn't know the pills did that, that it killed the cancer, you know?

00:32:50.520 Who'd have thunk it?

00:32:51.400 Yeah.

00:32:51.800 It was just supposed to shrink it.

00:32:53.140 And I'm like, okay, well, can I get a rescan now?

00:32:54.980 And they said, okay.

00:32:55.800 So the next day they get me in for a rescan.

00:32:58.360 Again, everything is showing shrinkage.

00:33:00.600 Everything is, all the lymph nodes are getting smaller, smaller, smaller.

00:33:03.160 We can do surgery now.

00:33:05.500 It won't be as nearly as invasive as it needed to be.

00:33:10.020 All good things.

00:33:11.580 They had a better plan for surgery, a better strategy.

00:33:15.040 And so, I mean, I was just so full of faith going into that surgery, which was the next week.

00:33:21.580 I mean, I remember looking at Ben and I was like, I don't even need the results.

00:33:25.960 Like, I just know that it's all dead, that like what he said is true.

00:33:30.660 And Ben's like, okay, but we're still going to get the results, right?

00:33:33.160 Yeah.

00:33:35.260 That's great.

00:33:36.000 Yeah.

00:33:36.320 And, and we're going to...

00:33:38.080 Yes, we need it on the paper.

00:33:39.460 We need to, you know, be able to show people.

00:33:42.140 And so we did surgery.

00:33:44.100 It was successful.

00:33:45.660 They removed about nine lymph nodes from this region, which is a lot.

00:33:51.620 Can I, this is my ignorance.

00:33:54.000 Nope.

00:33:54.340 I thought, I thought we had like two.

00:33:55.980 I don't, how many lymph nodes do we have?

00:33:57.600 Okay.

00:33:58.020 We have, I think maybe like a couple of hundred.

00:34:00.960 Really?

00:34:01.680 Oh, wow.

00:34:02.460 200 maybe being the most.

00:34:04.100 Again, I'm not a medical doctor, but from the little bit, I looked at it.

00:34:07.200 But you know, it's funny when I asked my oncologist, when we were lining out the surgery,

00:34:12.580 she said, okay, we'll just remove a few lymph nodes. 0.98

00:34:16.760 And so I asked her, I was like, well, how many do we have?

00:34:19.000 Because I want to know what I'm getting into, right?

00:34:21.120 If I want to do this or not.

00:34:23.100 Oh, like millions.

00:34:25.760 I said, wait, like literally like a million?

00:34:29.400 I don't know.

00:34:30.120 And she's like, well, no, like, you know, maybe a couple, a hundred.

00:34:34.800 I'm like, that's different than millions.

00:34:36.520 That's quite different, by orders of magnitude.

00:34:38.200 Yes.

00:34:39.100 It was just very bizarre.

00:34:41.080 Like, but even that, like, just how they persuade you and try to coerce you to do things,

00:34:46.640 to not really think through it.

00:34:48.080 Like, it was just, ugh.

00:34:49.420 Really millions?

00:34:50.220 No, actually four.

00:34:51.200 Well, hold on.

00:34:51.820 Those are, that's different.

00:34:52.700 Yeah.

00:34:53.460 But lymphedema, which is like swelling from lymph fluid not moving through your lymphatic

00:34:59.220 system from removal of lymph nodes is definitely a serious issue that I knew was a gamble with

00:35:06.800 the surgery.

00:35:07.320 And so that was something I, I didn't want and I, I prayed that wouldn't happen.

00:35:12.560 And honestly, the fact that I don't have lymphedema, especially with how much we travel is a miracle

00:35:17.820 in itself too.

00:35:19.940 Anyway, so we do surgery, they remove the lymph nodes, go over the results with me.

00:35:27.200 A week later, we go back into MD Anderson and my oncologist walks in and she's reading

00:35:33.400 her papers, she's reading the results.

00:35:34.760 She's like, okay, good news.

00:35:37.100 Surgery was successful.

00:35:38.380 The pills worked.

00:35:39.320 Everything was dead.

00:35:40.840 Every single piece of cancer that we took out was dead.

00:35:45.000 And the lymph nodes that were removed where there was, that we thought was cancer, never

00:35:49.540 had cancer in them at all.

00:35:52.220 And I'm like, okay.

00:35:53.720 And she's like, the pills worked.

00:35:54.980 And then I said, Dr. Amari, I did not take the chemotherapy pills.

00:36:00.640 And she just like, her jaw hit the floor.

00:36:03.700 Well, I'm assuming she was wearing a mask. 0.94

00:36:06.800 Just so caught off guard.

00:36:09.700 She's like, well, what do you mean you didn't take the pills?

00:36:11.580 And I said, I didn't take the pills.

00:36:13.980 God told me that the cancer was dead.

00:36:16.320 And at this point, she thinks I'm a crazy person.

00:36:18.380 And she's looking through it and she's like, okay, what else?

00:36:24.520 Did he say anything about radiation?

00:36:26.620 And I'm like, who, God?

00:36:28.980 And she's like, no, you're a surgeon who you just met with.

00:36:33.100 I said, no, you did not tell me.

00:36:35.380 Neither of them said anything.

00:36:36.160 No, no one brought that up.

00:36:38.100 And she said, okay.

00:36:39.760 And she's just totally caught off guard.

00:36:41.400 And so I was like, well, okay, knowing what you know now and the results that we have now,

00:36:46.040 what would you be telling me to do?

00:36:47.360 Because originally she was saying I needed to take those pills for the next year.

00:36:50.420 And I said, well, now what?

00:36:52.800 And she said, well, I guess we just do watch and scans and we monitor you closely.

00:36:58.160 I said, okay.

00:37:00.220 So we are.

00:37:01.040 That's what we're doing.

00:37:01.820 And every single scan, June will be two years, is clear.

00:37:09.000 Surely the doctors followed up with this, said, well, hey, Corley, you got a pretty strange case here.

00:37:16.500 No.

00:37:17.160 They didn't follow up.

00:37:17.940 No, they, they, I don't think that they wanted to know.

00:37:21.840 I don't, she, I knew when I told her that she was mad at her or mad at me or just mad at the situation because she was not right.

00:37:29.280 Right.

00:37:29.560 Yeah, of course.

00:37:30.400 Of course.

00:37:31.180 And so, yeah, to this day.

00:37:33.560 Well, it's a, it's a great embarrassment.

00:37:35.100 It doesn't, it really doesn't have to be an embarrassment in the sense that what they did is not medical malpractice.

00:37:41.660 They followed the best practices and protocols available to them.

00:37:45.520 Yeah.

00:37:45.940 It's just that it would seem to me that the rational, practical, logical, most grounded conclusion one would have to draw from your case is, well, God intervened.

00:37:57.940 Mm-hmm.

00:37:58.500 Yeah.

00:37:58.760 They won't admit it.

00:38:01.400 They just, they just don't talk to me about it.

00:38:05.520 And I know, I know that I'm still there to witness to them and whoever else is in that building.

00:38:11.900 But yeah.

00:38:12.440 There's a lot more to say.

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00:39:30.960 It's funny because we do this often.

00:39:34.580 I've had debates with friends of mine over this.

00:39:36.580 Would you rather, especially in politics, would you rather win or would you rather be right?

00:39:41.940 Lose but be right.

00:39:43.100 Have your prediction proven right.

00:39:45.340 And people split on this.

00:39:47.400 Some people are fine being wrong if they win.

00:39:49.600 And some people would rather lose and be right.

00:39:51.800 Right.

00:39:52.020 And it's hard to predict which.

00:39:53.980 And obviously the latter part, I think, comes from more than a little bit of pride.

00:39:59.720 But with the doctors, what's so just delightful and beautiful about the whole story is they were wrong.

00:40:07.220 They should be thrilled.

00:40:08.700 They should be dancing like David for being wrong.

00:40:12.100 And it reminds me of this line.

00:40:14.040 I was talking about it with a friend recently.

00:40:16.780 Chesterton has this idea that the mystic is actually the most practical guy.

00:40:22.020 Because he knows his eternal destiny.

00:40:25.860 He recognizes that we're not just meat.

00:40:28.220 It's not that the mystic is head in the clouds.

00:40:31.020 It's that the mystic is more practical than the cynic.

00:40:33.880 Yes.

00:40:34.320 Than the materialist.

00:40:35.720 And so I guess what I would have to ask the doctors, I'm sure what you would want to ask the doctors, is,

00:40:40.580 Hey, given everything we know, how else do you explain it?

00:40:45.800 Yeah.

00:40:45.980 So I think, so one, all of the follow-ups have been virtual with them, which is fine.

00:40:53.660 But for my two-year, I do want to go in and have a face-to-face conversation with her.

00:40:59.260 And just, because two years, so two years is when the highest reoccurrence rate are.

00:41:04.020 Yeah.

00:41:04.360 And so I think once we're out of the two years with her, then they'll be more open to having conversations with me like that.

00:41:10.440 And I do want to ask her, Hey, what do you think of this?

00:41:16.680 You know, what's your conclusion?

00:41:19.440 But.

00:41:20.460 What do you think of it broadly?

00:41:24.520 It's hard, obviously, to take yourself out of it because you lived it.

00:41:28.500 You're the character in this story that you also happen to be telling.

00:41:32.780 How should Christians think about the miracles? 0.95

00:41:36.720 I think we should believe for the earthly miracles while we're on earth.

00:41:45.180 And, and I think that was my frame of mind is until he calls me home, I will believe that the healing that you accomplished on the cross for me by your stripes is for the earthly.

00:41:58.300 And if it's not like, okay, like I'm okay with that too.

00:42:01.760 But I want to have the faith for the miracles.

00:42:04.460 You think of David, he was so strong in his faith, but he still had to run out to a giant with a rock.

00:42:13.420 You know, like you still had to do, like you still had to walk it out.

00:42:16.940 You know, it didn't just happen on its own.

00:42:19.720 Like we play a part in it, which I think is so beautiful that God invites us to do that in the story of, you know, life.

00:42:25.640 You still have to walk it out.

00:42:27.800 And so I, if the Bible were still being written right now, I want my story, my life to be one of faith, courageous faith.

00:42:35.740 And it is, it is being written, not literally the canon of the Bible, but it is like, we know how the story ends.

00:42:42.260 Yes.

00:42:42.560 We know the time between the incarnation and the story ending.

00:42:46.300 Yeah.

00:42:46.580 We know that we're in that time.

00:42:48.080 And some of that has not been written, but the end of the story is written.

00:42:50.760 So obviously we're part of that story.

00:42:52.480 There's this tension in the Bible between thou shalt not test the Lord your God.

00:43:00.060 Don't put your God to the test.

00:43:02.380 Yeah.

00:43:03.060 But also miracles happen and you trust God.

00:43:06.740 And you, you know, if you have the faith of a mustard seed, you can move mountains.

00:43:10.020 Yeah.

00:43:10.840 And you could walk on water out to, you know, come on, you're not going to go under the water if you just believe in me.

00:43:15.760 Yeah.

00:43:15.920 And there's that tension there.

00:43:17.320 Or even, you know, our Lord says a wicked generation seeks a sign and a wonder.

00:43:22.480 Uh, but also we're to scrutinize the signs.

00:43:26.420 Yes.

00:43:26.740 We're also to, as, as events happen in this world.

00:43:30.980 Yeah.

00:43:31.380 Including an event such as the one you've described.

00:43:33.540 Yeah.

00:43:33.980 We, we interpret that.

00:43:35.780 We derive meaning from that because it's obviously meaningful.

00:43:38.260 Yeah, for sure.

00:43:39.360 And it's how we overcome the blood of the lamb and the word of our testimony.

00:43:43.120 And so I know that the Lord gave me this testimony to share.

00:43:47.140 And is it scary going on shows like this?

00:43:49.460 Absolutely.

00:43:49.900 Like, I, I'm not a public speaker or whatever, but.

00:43:54.120 Told quite an eloquent story just now.

00:43:56.120 Yeah.

00:43:56.300 Well, thank you.

00:43:57.020 But I know that it's like, I have to.

00:43:59.420 We, we didn't just, I didn't just happen to have a really successful meat company that allows me to be in these circles, but it does.

00:44:06.100 And I know it's because I'm supposed to share this with people because when I was in, in that seat, I needed to hear about the miracles.

00:44:13.160 I needed to believe for the modern day miracles, you know?

00:44:18.440 And so that's what, that's what I'm doing.

00:44:20.820 Yeah.

00:44:21.020 You think about, you know, the woman reaches out to the hem of Christ's garment, says your faith has made you whole.

00:44:26.520 And there's, I love that because it's, her faith makes her whole.

00:44:30.100 And also her faith is enacted in reaching out to touch this tangible thing.

00:44:33.940 As you described, you know, these miracles for the earthly.

00:44:36.600 Yeah.

00:44:36.780 Like it's not, it's not just miracles in the clouds, you know, it's, it's that, I think sometimes we, when we hear about these miracles throughout the ages, some of the great saints and, you know, some stories are legendary, but some, but plenty of them are like quite well attested to historically.

00:44:55.040 Exactly. And I don't know, I, I at least have this idea that the miracles are, God, if this just glorious, ethereal thing.

00:45:04.480 Right.

00:45:04.840 Where, if we're truly, you know, light just floods the room and it's, you just know you're in, in the midst of a miracle.

00:45:11.180 Mm-hmm.

00:45:11.800 Whereas actually, I think a lot of miracles happen when a husband and a wife are sitting in an oncologist's office and they think that the world is crumbling around them.

00:45:20.920 Yeah.

00:45:21.260 And there's some, you know, there's some dingy coffee cup in the corner and there's some doctor who doesn't really know what's up sitting there speaking.

00:45:29.120 And it just feels really, really earthly and quotidian.

00:45:33.360 Mm-hmm.

00:45:34.460 And that could be the, the, that is, I mean, you know, our, our Lord is crucified and conquers death on a rotten little hill called Calvary.

00:45:43.860 Yep.

00:45:44.340 And, and I, I have to believe for the earthly miracles, like, and I want to pass it on to my children too.

00:45:53.380 I want them to know, wow, mom, mom went through a test and no matter where it came from, she had both faith, but I also had open hands.

00:46:05.120 I wasn't just holding onto it like, oh, it has to happen or it's not true.

00:46:08.480 I was open hands, like, whatever your will is, I'm, I'm here for it.

00:46:14.060 Yeah.

00:46:14.500 You know, and I loved Habakkuk.

00:46:17.240 I loved reading Habakkuk all through that year because even his name was, means to wrestle and embrace.

00:46:24.040 And so I felt like I was wrestling with God a lot.

00:46:26.840 Like, are you going to do it?

00:46:28.220 Are you, you know, am I going to die?

00:46:29.280 What's going to happen?

00:46:30.100 But I also embraced it.

00:46:31.280 And I'm like, I'm here, I'm here for this struggle.

00:46:34.160 And I know that you are working all things for my good.

00:46:37.240 And it's not my definition of good.

00:46:39.220 It's your definition.

00:46:41.140 And it's good for me to join in the suffering.

00:46:43.680 It's good for me to suffer.

00:46:45.360 I am becoming more Christ-like through the suffering.

00:46:49.020 So.

00:46:49.380 You know, your story reminds me, especially when you say I wasn't going to blame God for this.

00:46:53.860 I was going to be grateful for everything he's given me.

00:46:55.720 When I was a kid, my mother died when I was a teenager and I was an atheist.

00:46:59.720 But I went to see this nice priest.

00:47:02.040 My grandmother asked me to do it.

00:47:03.300 And I liked the priest.

00:47:04.140 So anyway, I go.

00:47:05.300 And he tells me, it was nice to sit with him.

00:47:07.080 And he says, well, whatever you do, don't blame him.

00:47:10.100 And he points to the crucifix on the wall.

00:47:12.140 I remember thinking, like, are you serious, man?

00:47:14.640 Are you serious?

00:47:15.800 That's what you're telling me right now?

00:47:17.640 Like, I was polite about it.

00:47:19.920 I was a polite teenager, but mostly.

00:47:22.060 But I thought, and then I think now, well, of course, you know, this is all given to me.

00:47:26.760 And I like to think that I would have had that reaction of like, well,

00:47:30.080 I didn't make myself, you know, my whole life is a gift.

00:47:33.020 And all these blessings I had are a gift.

00:47:34.700 And it would be very difficult not to be angry at a sense of cosmic injustice.

00:47:43.880 Yeah.

00:47:44.720 But you weren't.

00:47:46.580 I mean, it rains on the righteous and the unrighteous, right?

00:47:50.540 And that's what I go back to.

00:47:51.840 It's like whether I had cancer or not, I have today.

00:47:56.780 Like, tomorrow's not promised.

00:47:58.300 And I think that's another way that the enemy tries to torment us is just to go through,

00:48:04.700 well, look at all this.

00:48:05.940 It's horrible here.

00:48:06.840 It's so bad here.

00:48:07.720 Like, he really allowed that to happen, huh?

00:48:10.180 That's his fault.

00:48:10.880 And it's just not true.

00:48:12.980 He's a good father.

00:48:13.740 And I knew that this was not from him.

00:48:16.760 I didn't know.

00:48:17.260 I didn't know.

00:48:17.820 Honestly, I still don't know, right?

00:48:19.100 There's a lot.

00:48:19.500 We don't know.

00:48:20.040 And we won't know until we get there.

00:48:21.740 But was this an attack?

00:48:23.220 Was this a testing of faith?

00:48:25.620 I don't know.

00:48:26.560 Right.

00:48:26.800 All I know is...

00:48:27.720 It's not really yours to know.

00:48:28.820 Yeah.

00:48:29.260 I was sick, and then I was healed.

00:48:33.100 That's all I know.

00:48:35.060 You know, people watching this who...

00:48:37.700 Many people...

00:48:38.660 I mean, it's pretty persuasive.

00:48:40.160 Many people will take it for what it's worth.

00:48:42.700 But there will be some people who are saying, no, couldn't have been.

00:48:45.060 Maybe it was the keto diet.

00:48:47.680 Maybe it was the this.

00:48:48.740 Maybe it was the that.

00:48:49.480 No, it'll look for any explanation other than...

00:48:53.720 I think we'll...

00:48:57.720 Like the way...

00:48:58.840 Even for Christians, sometimes they'll believe stuff in antiquity, but they won't believe... 1.00

00:49:04.920 Like even their Eucharistic miracles.

00:49:06.860 I don't know if you've seen...

00:49:07.260 These have happened over the ages for 2,000 years.

00:49:10.200 But including in recent years, where a consecrated host, the Holy Communion, will bleed.

00:49:16.920 It doesn't happen a lot.

00:49:18.240 You know, it's a rare thing.

00:49:19.740 And they'll test the blood.

00:49:20.720 It's like the same type of blood of a man from the Middle East. 0.99

00:49:23.860 And it's...

00:49:24.420 And there are people who will say, I don't buy it.

00:49:27.000 They'll say, hold on.

00:49:28.360 You believe a guy rose from the dead.

00:49:30.720 You believe a guy turned water into wine.

00:49:33.340 Yeah.

00:49:33.720 You believe...

00:49:34.260 Let me go back further.

00:49:35.760 You believe that all of this exists, and the world is intelligible, and you can make

00:49:43.020 some sense of it, and we can even communicate with each other, but a host can't bleed.

00:49:50.880 Yeah.

00:49:51.880 Yeah.

00:49:52.720 I know.

00:49:53.420 It's totally the enemy.

00:49:56.360 And, you know, I'm having those conversations with my kids right now.

00:49:59.180 Like, well, how do we know God exists, Mom?

00:50:00.960 Like, how do we know?

00:50:01.740 And I'm like, look around you.

00:50:03.820 Look at creation.

00:50:04.860 And right now, we're talking a lot about our words and how powerful they are.

00:50:10.940 And, you know, Proverbs, life and death is in the power of your tongue.

00:50:14.480 And so we were always telling them, speak life, speak life.

00:50:17.100 But, I mean, that was, like, hammered into my system in 24 because out of the abundance

00:50:23.140 of the heart, the mouth speaks.

00:50:24.560 And I, in my heart, I believed that I would be healed, and I spoke it.

00:50:29.320 I never even said things like my cancer.

00:50:32.000 I never gave it that title.

00:50:34.080 I just never let that take root into my being.

00:50:38.120 Not that I was, I wasn't dismissing what was true and what the report said, but in my spirit,

00:50:45.500 I was choosing to align with God's word and what he said.

00:50:50.660 And so now we're telling our kids, speak life, speak life.

00:50:54.680 Because, I mean, I think that's faith sometimes in a scientific experiment because they'll ask

00:51:01.560 65-year-olds, how do you feel?

00:51:03.360 And a group of them, the ones that say, I'm all right, kind of got some aches and pains,

00:51:07.980 my back kind of hurts in the mornings, whatever, compared to the ones who say, I feel great.

00:51:13.160 Like, I walk in very positive.

00:51:16.620 They live much longer than the ones who are complaining.

00:51:19.700 Yeah.

00:51:20.000 And I think that's faith.

00:51:21.460 I think that's the power of our words in a sample, right?

00:51:25.600 Something that we could understand.

00:51:27.240 Right.

00:51:28.820 So, yeah, I just, I chose to speak life.

00:51:32.160 Now, you're almost two years out.

00:51:35.040 Yeah.

00:51:35.260 How, how has your life changed?

00:51:40.040 Not just, look, I mean, you're alive.

00:51:41.700 That's, that's good.

00:51:42.640 You were headed in the other direction.

00:51:44.780 But, I mean, have you noticed any changes in the way you speak, in your demeanor, in your

00:51:51.100 approach, how you wake up in the morning, how you go to bed at night?

00:51:54.180 Or no, is it the same?

00:51:56.700 I think that I am truly living in gratitude now.

00:52:01.680 I think before I would like to think, I had a thankful heart.

00:52:05.800 I was very appreciative for my life and everything that's in my life.

00:52:09.640 But now I am truly like just walking in gratitude.

00:52:14.540 Like every breath is a gift.

00:52:16.100 Yeah.

00:52:16.600 Every day with my children, as hard as homeschooling is.

00:52:19.740 Yeah.

00:52:20.120 And I want to bang my head against the wall sometimes.

00:52:23.040 Thank you, God.

00:52:23.800 Thank you, God, that I am here with them in this house and we're having these conversations.

00:52:29.180 We're making these memories together.

00:52:31.400 I'm just, I'm so thankful.

00:52:33.540 And then as far as maybe like my faith, I, I feel like everything is different now.

00:52:39.420 I feel, I don't know, when I read the word, it just, it just feels different.

00:52:45.460 It truly feels like, like manna, like my daily bread.

00:52:49.700 Whereas before, I don't know, it just shifted.

00:52:52.680 It just really shifted for me.

00:52:55.280 And it is, it shifted.

00:52:57.760 When you say now the word of God feels like your, your manna from heaven, you know, your daily bread.

00:53:05.820 What, what do you mean by that shift?

00:53:08.680 I, it's just at a deeper level.

00:53:10.900 I feel like I am more, my frame of mind is C.S. Lewis said, C.S. Lewis said, we are souls.

00:53:19.100 We have bodies.

00:53:20.560 And I feel like that's where my frame of mind is.

00:53:24.040 And, you know, we don't wrestle with flesh and blood.

00:53:27.440 And so I feel like I'm discerning more, which I ask for that.

00:53:31.660 I pray for discernment.

00:53:32.420 I pray for wisdom.

00:53:33.140 And I'm, I feel like I'm seeing like the spiritual warfare more than I was before.

00:53:39.100 Yeah.

00:53:39.580 You know?

00:53:40.180 Yeah.

00:53:40.600 So.

00:53:41.000 This is something I've noticed if I'm, you know, I'm a macro snapping papist.

00:53:45.920 We have sacramental theology.

00:53:47.100 And so I go to confession regularly, not as much as I should, but I go to confession.

00:53:52.540 And when, after you've been absolved of your sins, we believe that, you know, you're in a state of grace.

00:54:00.220 And you, if you commit venial sins, that weakens grace, but it doesn't sever it.

00:54:06.000 And we believe the Eucharist actually forgives venial sins, you know, where it's not a grave matter intentionally done with full knowledge.

00:54:14.760 But when you do a mortal sin, which happens, we believe that severs that grace.

00:54:23.360 There's something that's really tough here.

00:54:26.040 And so you go in and, you know, the priest cuts some demons off you and then you go out.

00:54:29.060 But one thing I've noticed very tangibly is when all pistons are firing and I'm in a state of grace and I feel, the world makes more sense.

00:54:41.720 Those little coincidences that you might not get, you, you see them.

00:54:46.680 Yeah.

00:54:47.020 You know, and it's very peaceful actually.

00:54:48.980 And when you're in a state where you're sinning a lot and maybe your life of grace is, is seriously damaged.

00:54:57.080 Yeah.

00:54:57.200 The world doesn't make as much sense.

00:55:01.020 And it's, it's very scary actually.

00:55:03.540 Yeah.

00:55:03.680 And it's, and it's not really scary when, when you're in a right relationship of grace with God.

00:55:08.720 Yep.

00:55:09.420 It's been my personal experience and I think it's backed up.

00:55:12.000 No, I think that's great.

00:55:12.740 And I didn't grow up fasting as a spiritual discipline, but that's something we started to do in 24 together.

00:55:17.880 And now it's a regular one that we practice.

00:55:20.820 And I, I love it.

00:55:22.600 I just feel like you, you just align more with, um, the supernatural with heaven and God.

00:55:30.460 And like, you take a step almost into the supernatural, you know, it's just the separation that it creates from the physical.

00:55:37.980 It's just, I feel like we all need it.

00:55:39.960 I mean, Jesus fasted for 40 days before he started his public ministry.

00:55:43.520 Like how much more should I be doing that?

00:55:46.180 You know?

00:55:46.440 Yeah.

00:55:46.540 This was, fasting was a regular practice of the church for a very long time.

00:55:51.440 Yes.

00:55:51.720 And even, I remember when I first tried it, you know, as, as an adult came back into the church and I was 23, 24 and I said, I'm not going to eat food for a day.

00:56:01.400 What?

00:56:02.400 I'll die.

00:56:03.320 I know. 0.88

00:56:03.680 I'll waste away.

00:56:04.340 And you think, you actually don't like, yeah, the human body is built to fast.

00:56:07.400 Yeah.

00:56:07.640 Like every so often.

00:56:08.540 Yeah.

00:56:08.780 And once you do it and you realize it's not impossible, would it, and then it actually becomes easy when you do it more.

00:56:15.680 You, you, it is a very healthy reminder that we're not really even ultimately for this world, you know?

00:56:25.800 Yeah.

00:56:26.200 We're not constrained by the appetites of this world.

00:56:31.220 Yeah.

00:56:31.860 And that's why I say like the daily bread, like that's when God's word, like even more so becomes the bread of life for you, you know?

00:56:40.080 So it's beautiful.

00:56:41.340 How much did your kids know about all of this as it was going on?

00:56:47.140 So at the time, my oldest was only, um, five, almost six when it started.

00:56:54.580 And so he's eight now.

00:56:58.140 And only the past year have I shared with my two boys, the eight and seven year old, that it was cancer.

00:57:04.940 What cancer is my little, my girls are five and three. 0.94

00:57:08.960 They don't, they don't know.

00:57:10.400 Right.

00:57:10.660 Um, and so they're starting, the boys are starting to understand it.

00:57:15.260 I mean, they definitely knew I was sick.

00:57:17.340 I mean, they saw it, but they didn't know what it was.

00:57:19.640 And so now my eight year old, I see his wheels turning.

00:57:21.780 He's like, wait, you had cancer.

00:57:24.840 Wait, you like, cause he'll, he'll, he'll, he will hear me during these conversations as well, or at a speaking event.

00:57:30.280 And he'll hear me say that I almost died.

00:57:32.340 He's like, wait, mommy, you almost died.

00:57:34.020 Like, yes.

00:57:34.940 Yeah.

00:57:35.140 You know, and so it was just like those pillars, right?

00:57:38.500 That you're building for your family.

00:57:40.300 Those like altars in the wilderness that they will look to.

00:57:44.120 They're starting to realize that.

00:57:46.760 So what's next?

00:57:50.900 I don't know.

00:57:51.620 Who knows?

00:57:52.940 I have no idea.

00:57:54.060 I mean, I'm just taking it honestly a day at a time and I'm just, I'm just praying that God would just steward, help us steward what he's given us and show us what's next.

00:58:07.980 I mean, you know, Good Ranchers is awesome and that's growing.

00:58:12.320 And, you know, the people we get to minister to, like even in our offices, it's just really sweet and beautiful.

00:58:17.800 It's become its own community.

00:58:19.400 But as far as me personally, I'm just going to be homeschooling and just sharing my story with whoever wants to hear it.

00:58:27.640 Whether it's, you know, someone sitting next to me at the park or, you know, an audience like this.

00:58:33.520 Like, I just feel like I need to share it.

00:58:35.640 Last question before I let you go.

00:58:37.260 Yeah.

00:58:39.680 I guess it's a question for a theologian, but you have some pretty direct experience of this.

00:58:44.380 Why does God still perform miracles?

00:58:49.400 What's the point?

00:58:51.440 Well, I mean, I'm miracle signs and wonders.

00:58:54.640 I mean, that was promised.

00:58:55.780 That was in the word.

00:58:57.400 And so I think as Christians, when we don't believe for them, we are limiting.

00:59:05.640 We're limiting everything.

00:59:08.540 You know, I think that's what the unbelievers look to. 0.99

00:59:12.160 And it's what the believers look to.

00:59:14.860 Both of them.

00:59:16.040 It's good for both of us.

00:59:17.480 Like, it's how we overcome our testimony and the blood of the lamb.

00:59:22.120 So, like, it's almost like an equation.

00:59:25.440 Like, it has to happen, right?

00:59:26.980 Yeah.

00:59:27.840 Yeah.

00:59:28.360 Yeah.

00:59:28.720 It's a great point that I hadn't really considered.

00:59:31.560 The unbelievers and the believers. 0.99

00:59:33.100 Yeah.

00:59:33.300 Both look to them.

00:59:33.840 And so you say, well, a miracle, it kind of makes sense for the unbelievers. 0.82

00:59:36.760 Mm-hmm.

00:59:37.060 Because it says, hey, you know, this is really confounding your thinking.

00:59:41.920 And what's funny, though, is, and this has happened to me, if you're not in belief and

00:59:47.380 you're not in faith and then you see a miracle, you can say, it's the craziest thing.

00:59:50.860 I saw a miracle.

00:59:51.700 Ask any, like, random agnostic atheist on the street.

00:59:55.000 Have you ever seen something that's, like, supernatural or miraculous?

00:59:57.660 If they're being candid, they'll tell you yes.

01:00:00.760 They say, cool.

01:00:01.700 What did you conclude from that?

01:00:03.080 What did you do because of that?

01:00:04.240 They'll say, what?

01:00:04.700 Oh, nothing.

01:00:05.080 I just put it out of my mind.

01:00:05.940 Yeah.

01:00:06.240 So that happens.

01:00:07.500 But then even, I think, for believers, it's very important because it's easy.

01:00:11.980 Some people say, oh, I don't like religion.

01:00:13.540 You know, I like spirituality but not religion.

01:00:15.320 Or I like, I only want a personal relationship.

01:00:17.420 And I love religion.

01:00:18.580 Religion's great.

01:00:19.120 Religion is a habit of virtue that inclines the will to give God what he deserves.

01:00:22.660 Religion's great.

01:00:23.220 But, all that said, there can be trappings of religion where it becomes rote or it becomes,

01:00:31.040 I don't know, kind of boring or something.

01:00:33.340 Yeah.

01:00:33.540 Where you think that you have comprehended it and because you know all the rules.

01:00:37.620 And so for the believer, when God gives you a sign or a wonder or a miracle, I think it's

01:00:43.680 maybe more important for the believer because it's a reminder, hey, buddy, this isn't just

01:00:48.900 some system.

01:00:49.900 Yep.

01:00:50.360 I am the living God and I am in charge.

01:00:53.060 Yeah.

01:00:53.980 And how dare we try to put that in a box.

01:00:56.100 Yeah.

01:00:56.520 You won't confine me.

01:00:57.680 Yeah.

01:00:58.020 You won't comprehend me.

01:00:59.540 Yeah.

01:01:00.020 The day that I feel like I've figured out all of it and I've arrived in my theology or

01:01:06.080 whatever it is, Lord, help me.

01:01:10.460 I will look back to this miracle though.

01:01:12.620 Yeah.

01:01:12.740 You know, it's also for me because I'm going to go through things.

01:01:18.320 You know, I'm 35 years old.

01:01:21.120 Like I'm, I have a whole life ahead of me and I know it's not going to be all sunshine

01:01:25.480 and rainbows, but I will look back at this and say, if you led me through that, I know

01:01:32.000 you'll do it again.

01:01:33.280 Right.

01:01:33.580 That's a marker.

01:01:34.440 Yeah.

01:01:34.660 Even for you.

01:01:35.600 Yeah.

01:01:35.920 It even gets me thinking on the story of St. Thomas Aquinas, who is probably the greatest

01:01:40.800 theologian ever to live and writes just like the Summa Theologiae, you know, among many

01:01:47.240 other works.

01:01:47.660 And he's caught up in this mystical experience toward the end of his life.

01:01:51.740 And he comes back and he says, everything I've written is so much straw, which is not

01:01:57.160 even to downplay, like it's still the greatest theology we have, but it, but he's just like,

01:02:00.900 you don't even know, man.

01:02:02.580 Yeah.

01:02:02.880 You don't even.

01:02:03.680 Yeah.

01:02:03.980 It's truly.

01:02:05.180 And one book that I did read when I was so sick was Imagine Heaven.

01:02:08.980 Have you read that one?

01:02:09.840 Oh, it's so good.

01:02:10.780 And he compiles dozens and dozens of near-death experiences where they die for however many

01:02:18.380 minutes.

01:02:18.940 Yeah, yeah.

01:02:19.700 Have a near-death experience, go to heaven, and then come back and share their story, whether

01:02:24.360 they're believers or not, like any religion.

01:02:27.780 And it was just so beautiful to just to go through that mental process, to go through that

01:02:34.340 experience of like just imagining it even more.

01:02:37.020 You know, the Bible obviously gives us depictions, but just to have people who have visited and

01:02:44.160 come back and just to hear their experience, it was just, it was transformative.

01:02:47.740 Every Christian should read that book.

01:02:49.700 It was so beautiful.

01:02:51.300 Does it, people say when they have a near-death experience, they, you know, they fear death

01:02:56.100 less.

01:02:56.660 Yeah.

01:02:56.980 You had a near, near-death experience.

01:02:58.380 Yeah.

01:02:58.800 It wasn't a near, it was a near, near-death experience.

01:03:00.660 Yeah.

01:03:01.520 Yeah.

01:03:02.260 It was bad.

01:03:03.180 Do you, do you fear death less?

01:03:05.380 Oh, yeah, for sure.

01:03:07.340 But even, I mean, it's like the renewing of your mind every day because I'll find myself

01:03:11.020 getting, I have scans next month and here he goes, the enemy is trying, well, what if

01:03:15.880 it's going to be bad?

01:03:17.040 And I'm like, no, like, that's why it's like, take every thought captive to the obedience

01:03:22.620 of Christ.

01:03:23.380 And like, that's, you have to do it every day.

01:03:25.440 You don't just like figure it out and then you're good for the rest of your life.

01:03:28.080 It's a daily spiritual renewal.

01:03:29.560 That is the experience of, you see a miracle and you put it out of mind, or in your case,

01:03:33.620 it's like, you are experienced.

01:03:34.780 You are the, the object of a miracle.

01:03:37.200 Yeah.

01:03:37.840 And, and then, you know, they say, oh, time for your next scan.

01:03:40.700 You say, get out of there.

01:03:42.140 What are you doing?

01:03:42.480 What are you talking about?

01:03:43.480 It's just like so natural to go back to the doubting and yeah, it's a practice.

01:03:48.880 It's, you know, you gotta get your mind right.

01:03:52.100 I didn't think it was possible for me to like good ranchers even more than I already do.

01:03:58.500 And this is even, this is somehow even adding to the, the lore, even at, it's a, it's an

01:04:05.080 amazing thing.

01:04:06.140 Corley, an unbelievable story.

01:04:07.860 Very glad it's had a happy ending.

01:04:09.520 Yeah.

01:04:09.700 Of course.

01:04:10.340 Yeah.

01:04:10.580 I'm glad that we had a happy ending to our talk six months ago.

01:04:13.940 Yeah.

01:04:14.120 So that you could actually tell the story.

01:04:15.360 Yeah.

01:04:15.740 Which I think will be very, very inspiring and edifying for a lot of people.

01:04:19.660 Yeah.

01:04:20.540 Praying that.

01:04:21.120 Good to see you.

01:04:22.000 Thank you.

The Michael Knowles Show - March 08, 2026

＂They Said I Would Die Unless I Took It＂ Michael & The Miracle ｜ Corley Spell

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