The Michael Knowles Show - Tough Questions And Real Drinks： YES or NO ｜ Isabel Brown

00:00:00.000 Can you be a political and cultural warrior if you're losing the battle with your own metabolism?

00:00:08.320 If you're losing the battle, what is he even insinuating?

00:00:10.840 If you're fat and not taking care of yourself.

00:00:13.100 I'm not fat.

00:00:14.140 Thank you, Ben Davies, you jerk, you fat jerk.

00:00:30.000 Welcome to Yes or No, the bibulous battle to discover who knows whom best.

00:00:36.500 My guest today is my friend and colleague, Isabel Brown.

00:00:40.440 How do we play?

00:00:41.340 I will ask Isabel a yes or no question.

00:00:43.200 She will select her answer away from my prying eyes.

00:00:46.220 Then I will guess how she answered.

00:00:48.720 If I guess correctly, I get a point.

00:00:50.520 If I guess incorrectly, I lose a point.

00:00:52.560 No matter what, I will end up drinking.

00:00:55.580 Then it's Isabel's turn.

00:00:57.480 Neither of us have seen the questions beforehand.

00:00:59.160 And whoever has the most points at the end wins.

00:01:01.520 The stakes could be higher.

00:01:03.900 Let's get started.

00:01:05.900 Isabel, so marvelous to see you here.

00:01:08.480 Thank you.

00:01:08.820 I'm so happy to be in Nashville.

00:01:10.400 You've been on my various shows a number of times.

00:01:13.580 But this is the first time that you've been on a show since becoming my colleague officially.

00:01:19.320 So you're at The Daily Wire now.

00:01:20.520 I am.

00:01:21.080 We are very hard at work.

00:01:22.380 How did we get you?

00:01:23.760 Oh my gosh, it's been a long, long journey.

00:01:25.820 But I'm so happy to be here.

00:01:27.580 It was totally a God thing.

00:01:29.160 I got a call literally two days before having my baby girl about if I would ever be interested in doing something at The Daily Wire.

00:01:37.340 And that evolved between some back and forths to taking on my podcast, The Isabel Brown Show, and turning it into a whole new level of awesome.

00:01:45.020 Wow, that's fabulous.

00:01:46.160 That's great.

00:01:46.800 It is fantastic.

00:01:47.820 Man, I don't know.

00:01:48.560 I've got to have more kids because I've only got, I've only have three so far.

00:01:52.240 And, you know, Drew actually says this.

00:01:54.840 I asked Drew when I was about to have my first kid.

00:01:57.280 I was like, I don't know.

00:01:57.960 It's crazy.

00:01:58.420 Can I afford a kid?

00:01:59.160 He goes, kids are little money bags.

00:02:00.700 Yeah.

00:02:01.000 He says they're little money bags.

00:02:02.060 You have them and then you just, you, new opportunities emerge.

00:02:06.500 It's true.

00:02:06.820 That's what apparently what happened here.

00:02:08.240 It is very, very true.

00:02:09.320 I never expected it.

00:02:10.420 Do you know the rules to this game?

00:02:11.900 I do.

00:02:12.400 And in fact, I've been watching your old episodes.

00:02:14.800 So I'm hopeful that I have trained sufficiently to beat you potentially today.

00:02:18.940 I'm glad to hear that because you're a lady. 1.00

00:02:21.320 You go first.

00:02:22.000 All right.

00:02:22.900 Drum roll, please.

00:02:23.720 Should teenagers, Michael, be required to get parental consent to join social media?

00:02:41.160 Yes.

00:02:41.880 I would figure that.

00:02:42.920 For sure.

00:02:43.800 Right?

00:02:44.500 How do you feel about some of these states that are making laws about this, though?

00:02:47.840 Do you think it should be a role of the parents or a role of the state?

00:02:50.700 Yes.

00:02:51.480 Yes to both.

00:02:52.300 Yes and.

00:02:53.000 Yeah, I think.

00:02:54.360 I mean, you know, look, there was this moment.

00:02:55.600 When I was coming up, you're much younger and more vibrant than I am, Isabel.

00:02:59.200 But I, an old man, when I was coming up in politics, there was this thing where the

00:03:04.260 conservatives never wanted to actually wield political power.

00:03:08.280 Fair.

00:03:08.500 So we'd say, you have to elect us and give us all this political power so that we can

00:03:11.820 never use it ever.

00:03:13.160 And you'd say, why am I electing you at all?

00:03:14.520 And so they would say, no, no, no, you can't, you can't legislate morality.

00:03:20.360 Or it's, you know, the state can't ever anything.

00:03:22.660 I don't know, the state's pretty effective when the libs use it. 1.00

00:03:24.800 You know, they're like pummeling us into the dirt.

00:03:26.680 And so I think, I have this more classical conception of politics, which is that the law

00:03:31.520 is a tutor.

00:03:32.760 St. Paul says that.

00:03:33.720 The law is a teacher.

00:03:34.760 And so you want to make sure that you don't have too heavy a hand.

00:03:38.900 You don't want, you know, like big daddy president just like deciding every single thing in your

00:03:43.800 life.

00:03:43.980 But the social media stuff is, is quite dangerous.

00:03:48.920 It can be, the internet is just a portal to hell, basically the cell phones.

00:03:52.980 And so teenagers are going to look at the porn and terrible things, radical politics and

00:04:01.060 nasty bullying and all, it's just everything.

00:04:03.660 And so absolutely, I think it's, the state has a role to, to reign that in a little bit.

00:04:08.940 I do.

00:04:09.340 My only concern is that I think the state sometimes tries to replace the role of the parent.

00:04:14.080 And if I've learned anything as a new parent, every time we are out and about in public,

00:04:18.180 the number of people that just shove devices in their kid's face, it's the scariest thing

00:04:22.960 I've ever seen.

00:04:23.680 Already, we've been FaceTiming with our extended relatives because they don't live near us.

00:04:27.240 And it's insane how quickly my 11 week old daughter will just immediately change her whole 0.99

00:04:31.840 demeanor while FaceTiming somebody.

00:04:33.660 So I do think the primary onus falls on the parents.

00:04:36.080 And to play devil's advocate a little bit, I don't think we would have gotten to where

00:04:39.520 we are right now with conservatism becoming mainstream and arguably the strong majority

00:04:44.580 of Gen Z if it weren't for young teenagers being exposed to the internet over the last 10

00:04:49.900 years or so.

00:04:50.560 There is a kind of irony, which is like, no one should give their kids smartphones or the internet

00:04:56.260 except for my show.

00:04:57.280 That's the one except, you know, so there is obviously there's a tension there.

00:05:01.000 But it's bizarre because we got this crack through, you know, with the new media where

00:05:07.100 we were able to win over younger millennials and Zoomers and now I guess into Gen Alpha. 0.75

00:05:11.940 But yeah, you don't want them to just have their brains turn to complete mush.

00:05:15.840 True.

00:05:16.160 Yeah.

00:05:16.440 Okay, I'm up.

00:05:17.200 All right, let's see.

00:05:19.360 Is it possible to be a true trad wife and a social media influencer? 0.76

00:05:25.560 As long as your husband earns all the money.

00:05:28.620 Wow.

00:05:29.180 Okay, that was a rollercoaster.

00:05:30.440 There's an important caveat there.

00:05:32.080 Is it possible to be a true trad wife and a social media influencer? 0.76

00:05:37.960 As long as your husband earns all the money.

00:05:39.820 The world may never know.

00:05:57.700 No, yes, no.

00:05:58.760 You would say no.

00:05:59.340 I would say no.

00:05:59.940 Every other chick who goes on the internet and TV as a conservative, I love them.

00:06:06.460 Many of them are close personal friends of mine.

00:06:09.020 But they all defend it and they say, no, no, I'm a real trad wife.

00:06:11.800 And I think, lady, you're on TV.

00:06:13.140 What are you talking about?

00:06:13.660 Well, also it's important to note the connotation of what trad wife has like come to be over the

00:06:18.820 last few years.

00:06:19.540 Fitting, kind of buxom shirt.

00:06:21.320 That, and it's also just incredibly bizarre to me how the media and how social media has

00:06:26.500 labeled certain women like queen of the trad wives.

00:06:29.320 The best example being Hannah Neelman, ballerina farm.

00:06:32.640 Literally, the mainstream media wrote up this horrible hit piece about how she's so oppressed

00:06:37.160 by her evil husband because she has so many children and has them at home and then gets 1.00

00:06:41.820 up and bakes sourdough later that day.

00:06:43.740 But it's fascinating because she repeatedly has rebuked that title and said, I do not

00:06:48.700 identify as a trad wife.

00:06:49.680 Who is she? 0.99

00:06:50.120 I have no idea.

00:06:50.720 She has a hugely successful agricultural business.

00:06:53.540 Her brand is called Ballerina Farm, was a previous professional ballet dancer trained

00:06:57.460 at Juilliard.

00:06:58.220 Oh, that's cool.

00:06:59.100 And then they moved to Utah and they have this beautiful thriving ranch with a bunch of

00:07:03.720 beautiful kids running around.

00:07:05.280 And yet she, at the same time, competes in Mrs. World pageants and looks phenomenal doing 1.00

00:07:10.160 it.

00:07:10.340 Literally days after giving birth to her children, which is amazing.

00:07:13.740 And people have this connotation or stipulation that she's a trad wife because she posts videos 0.74

00:07:17.660 of herself cooking all of their meals from scratch and living in this beautiful, idyllic

00:07:22.340 farmhouse in Utah and going out and milking their cow.

00:07:25.300 But she also has quite literally one of the most successful female-run businesses in America 1.00

00:07:29.520 right now.

00:07:30.100 In the country, right?

00:07:30.120 Yeah, yeah.

00:07:30.400 And she says, I don't know what you guys are talking about.

00:07:32.300 I am not a true trad wife, so to speak.

00:07:34.900 So I think it's more in the eye of the beholder than how most people would personally identify.

00:07:39.660 But personally, I would say, no, you have your own brand, your own situation.

00:07:43.880 Yeah, you just can't.

00:07:44.440 Even if you're not making money.

00:07:46.100 Because here's what happens.

00:07:47.320 I mean, not for someone like you who has been public for a long time, but for someone who

00:07:51.500 has been private and then they get married and maybe they quit their job or they don't

00:07:56.020 have a job.

00:07:56.500 And then they say, okay, well, I want the money from a second job.

00:07:59.180 So I'm going to make content.

00:08:00.800 But I'm going to make content about my really trad life.

00:08:03.380 And therein lies the problem because the moment that you make the private public, the moment

00:08:10.400 that you become a brand, you have forfeited.

00:08:13.940 You might have a nice time.

00:08:15.120 Also, I don't know how it's possible to be an influencer and not make a single cent from

00:08:18.940 it.

00:08:19.220 Like that quite literally doesn't make this.

00:08:21.440 Yeah, of course not.

00:08:21.660 So I don't think that's a possibility.

00:08:23.240 No.

00:08:23.880 I know.

00:08:24.400 I just think like when you say, okay, well, this is the trad wife influencer.

00:08:29.540 Here's the trad, I just think the one thing I can tell you about trad wives, they're not 1.00

00:08:35.440 on TikTok.

00:08:36.400 They don't, that's not where they live.

00:08:37.700 They live in their house.

00:08:38.800 They don't live, okay.

00:08:39.520 Which there's nothing wrong with.

00:08:40.580 Let me just say this.

00:08:41.240 There's nothing wrong with promoting traditional values as a woman on social media.

00:08:44.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:08:45.440 I'm all for promoting.

00:08:46.300 But that doesn't make you a trad wife. 1.00

00:08:47.680 Yes.

00:08:48.040 That's an important distinction.

00:08:48.400 You are an educator.

00:08:51.380 You are an inspiration to many, but you can't, you can't be that thing.

00:08:58.820 Yeah, that's right.

00:08:59.540 Amen.

00:09:00.060 All right.

00:09:01.240 Let's reset.

00:09:03.080 Michael.

00:09:03.800 Yes.

00:09:04.660 Can you be a political and cultural warrior if you're losing the battle with your own

00:09:11.460 metabolism?

00:09:12.720 If you're losing the battle, what is he even insinuating?

00:09:15.260 If you're fat and not taking care of yourself.

00:09:17.500 I'm not fat.

00:09:18.820 What he would say.

00:09:19.740 The proverbial you.

00:09:20.940 Yeah, he's talking about the liberal you.

00:09:23.020 What he would say, he gets one of these like every time.

00:09:25.000 He's like, hey, if you're a butter soft, like, you know, a little pudgy Pillsbury dough boy.

00:09:30.200 Yeah.

00:09:30.220 Double wide.

00:09:30.620 Yeah.

00:09:30.680 But I'm not.

00:09:31.420 What he would say is that I'm skinny fat.

00:09:33.260 Like, I'm skinny, but I don't ever work out.

00:09:35.700 So I'm spiritually fat.

00:09:35.860 I mean, your metabolism seems to be doing just okay for you.

00:09:37.660 Thank you, Ben Davies, you jerk, you fat jerk.

00:09:40.980 Okay, proverbial you.

00:09:42.480 Can the proverbial you be a political and cultural warrior if you're losing the battle

00:09:47.460 with your own metabolism?

00:09:49.380 Yes.

00:09:49.580 I think you hit your button.

00:09:50.460 Oh, sorry.

00:09:51.140 Shoot.

00:09:51.480 Ah, man, I gave you the point.

00:09:52.780 I'm just so angry at that question.

00:09:55.380 Yeah, fine.

00:09:55.960 I won't lie.

00:09:56.480 You think you can?

00:09:57.480 Yeah.

00:09:58.040 Well, first of all, I mean the greatest right-wing cultural warrior of our lifetime, Chris Christie.

00:10:03.520 What are you laughing about?

00:10:04.840 Pinnacle.

00:10:05.520 Yeah, you're talking about Charles Martin.

00:10:07.640 Charles Martin of New Jersey moderate politics.

00:10:10.780 You can't even say it.

00:10:11.180 Yeah, I think.

00:10:11.840 No, you can.

00:10:12.500 I'm trying to think.

00:10:12.980 I mean, Churchill.

00:10:13.720 Churchill was kind of a faddy.

00:10:14.740 Yes, this is true.

00:10:15.580 And Churchill arguably saved Western civilization at one point.

00:10:19.080 Trump, he's a good-looking guy, and he's actually thinned down in the second term.

00:10:22.800 But, you know, he's been a bigger guy in his life, and he's the man.

00:10:27.500 I swear, Trump is the only politician I've ever seen in my lifetime age in reverse.

00:10:31.520 The guy looks better today than he ever did in 2015.

00:10:34.240 That was one way I knew after the first term, I knew he was running again and he was going

00:10:38.320 to win, is he was getting fitter.

00:10:40.540 He got the glow up.

00:10:41.200 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:41.880 I was like, oh, man, this guy is in for it, man.

00:10:44.420 Yeah.

00:10:44.800 But so you think, okay, Trump especially is at least, he's just like a big guy.

00:10:49.300 He's like 6'3 or something.

00:10:51.040 Churchill was a bit rotund.

00:10:52.840 Who else?

00:10:53.320 Henry VIII, not my favorite figure in history, but, you know, he was a warrior, no doubt

00:10:59.620 about it.

00:10:59.880 True.

00:10:59.980 He was a big fatty.

00:11:01.200 I mean, he was like a little English meatball, you know, big English meatball.

00:11:04.680 So, yeah, of course you can.

00:11:05.660 Although I would say it's probably not ideal.

00:11:07.600 Like, ultimately, especially from a religious perspective, take care of your own house, take 0.57

00:11:11.320 care of yourself, and then take care of society at large.

00:11:13.940 Yeah, that's true.

00:11:14.620 And gluttony is a sin.

00:11:17.400 But, you know, gluttony cuts two ways, too.

00:11:19.760 There's like the Henry VIII version of gluttony, like big fatties. 0.51

00:11:23.300 But then there's the, if you're obsessive about food and you're like an ozempic addict

00:11:27.980 or something, that's also a form of gluttony.

00:11:30.220 That's fascinating to think about.

00:11:31.340 Yeah, pickiness.

00:11:31.940 Pickiness.

00:11:32.060 Would you argue that the ozempic craze we're seeing right now is actually like a cultural

00:11:35.800 sin of gluttony?

00:11:36.820 Yeah, for sure.

00:11:37.560 Because it's not, you know, a virtue is a mean in between two extremes.

00:11:42.240 And so the extreme of being like a big fatty, you know, just stuffing donuts in your face

00:11:46.020 all the time, is balanced out by the extreme of being a narcissist, you know, vain person

00:11:51.260 in the mirror trying to suck down another pound.

00:11:53.740 What you want to be, what you want to be, Davies, is delightfully unconcerned about your

00:11:59.920 weight and yet still not go over the top.

00:12:03.400 You fat jerk.

00:12:05.380 So saucy today.

00:12:06.860 You know, I got called in for jury duty.

00:12:08.620 I didn't sleep that well.

00:12:10.140 I woke up and now I'm drinking.

00:12:11.440 How'd you get out of it?

00:12:12.300 I had so many good lines prepared.

00:12:15.080 I had some stuff that was saucy but wouldn't get me in actual serious trouble.

00:12:19.200 But it was enough to, like, I was going to make a robust defense of prejudice.

00:12:23.120 Ah, naturally.

00:12:24.000 I had a good one, too.

00:12:25.420 And then I was going to talk about how I presume that anyone whose case is brought to trial is

00:12:32.740 guilty because of statistics.

00:12:34.780 And I had all this stuff.

00:12:36.440 And then they did, because they had a thing of, what's your name?

00:12:39.100 What do you do?

00:12:39.680 Yeah, naturally.

00:12:39.960 What did you say?

00:12:41.380 I'm Michael Loseye.

00:12:42.500 I'm Michael Loseye.

00:12:43.200 I'm a right-wing provocateur, fascist.

00:12:47.220 No, I didn't.

00:12:47.820 I said I'm, like, a right-wing talk show host.

00:12:49.760 And they didn't even call me up to interview me.

00:12:52.520 Naturally.

00:12:53.080 That doesn't surprise me.

00:12:53.980 But anyway, that's why I'm salty.

00:12:55.260 And then Ben just puts that finger in the wound.

00:12:57.980 Called you fat.

00:12:58.740 Yeah.

00:12:59.000 That's brutal.

00:12:59.360 He called me fat.

00:13:02.260 Whoa.

00:13:04.200 That was providential.

00:13:05.760 You know, Davies, for all the smack I talk about him, he's good at ordering.

00:13:09.120 He thinks ahead.

00:13:10.600 Isozempic.

00:13:11.840 Whoa.

00:13:12.540 That's weird, actually.

00:13:13.980 That's weird.

00:13:14.480 I have not seen these questions.

00:13:16.080 Is ozempic the new lobotomy and possibly satanic because it removes healthy bodily function

00:13:22.900 without requiring self-control?

00:13:26.020 Wow.

00:13:27.300 That is one to ponder.

00:13:30.400 Possibly satanic?

00:13:32.560 Possibly satanic.

00:13:33.940 I think you're faking me out.

00:13:45.640 You said yes?

00:13:46.560 I said yes.

00:13:47.440 I'm going to bite on this one.

00:13:48.320 Ozempic is satanic. 0.99

00:13:49.200 I'm going to bite on this one.

00:13:49.800 If we can argue that gluttony is a sin, which is a very grave, grave sin, ozempic is essentially

00:13:55.580 the easy way out.

00:13:56.840 It's saying that I have no responsibility, no consequences for my own actions.

00:14:00.380 With my own petard of virtues.

00:14:02.500 Wow.

00:14:03.320 You're right.

00:14:03.880 I've never thought about it in that context, but that is interesting to make that argument.

00:14:07.820 You're not saying it's satanic like, you know, the devil whispering in your ear exactly.

00:14:11.560 You're saying it's satanic because it's about a vice.

00:14:13.040 Yes, quite literally.

00:14:13.860 It is normalizing vice.

00:14:14.820 The number of videos I've seen, TikTok, by the way, has saved my life postpartum.

00:14:19.100 Like the number of times at 2 a.m. I've Googled, is this normal?

00:14:21.880 And it pulls up a TikTok video.

00:14:23.360 Thank God.

00:14:24.280 But the number of videos, I am constantly fed from other new moms saying, when did you 0.99

00:14:28.720 guys finally quit breastfeeding so you could just start ozempic? 0.99

00:14:31.420 When can I start ozempic?

00:14:32.640 As soon as I can, let's start ozempic.

00:14:34.160 You can't breastfeed on ozempic, I take it.

00:14:35.880 It's crazy.

00:14:35.900 No, naturally, because you're literally destroying your own body.

00:14:38.140 You don't want to destroy your baby's capacity to digest food too.

00:14:41.060 But it is a serious health concern already.

00:14:43.220 People are coming in with paralyzed stomachs and their body becomes insulin resistant forever.

00:14:48.400 It's very, very complicated what's happening.

00:14:50.680 Long-term health effects that we have no research on and no idea already.

00:14:55.440 But I wonder how much of that's going to impact young women in particular because this is being

00:14:58.960 so hyper-messaged to young moms, to young college students.

00:15:03.460 Like, just go on ozempic.

00:15:04.500 It's no big deal.

00:15:05.580 Wow.

00:15:05.700 And you can tell every time.

00:15:07.240 I call it ozempic face.

00:15:08.500 Yeah.

00:15:08.900 You can tell.

00:15:10.500 I'm so innocent when it comes to these things.

00:15:13.220 Like, even Botox, it's hard for me to tell when people get...

00:15:16.040 I have friends who I later found out they get shot up with Botox.

00:15:19.280 And even I look at them, they're like...

00:15:21.200 You know.

00:15:21.740 And I don't even...

00:15:22.480 That's something that's different.

00:15:23.380 That's a pretty good representation.

00:15:24.440 Thank you, yeah.

00:15:25.300 Did you get a suntan?

00:15:26.260 That's kind of my thought.

00:15:27.540 The idea that people would do this stuff.

00:15:29.060 Because I think I don't...

00:15:30.880 I've forbidden my wife to ever get any...

00:15:34.400 Not that she wanted to, but I've totally forbade her from getting any cosmetic surgery. 0.98

00:15:39.980 Because I think, look, you're, you know, you're like a little hottie now. 1.00

00:15:44.500 So what's...

00:15:45.000 Best case scenario, what's going to happen is you're just going to be like...

00:15:48.040 You're going to be you.

00:15:48.720 You're going to be like your beautiful self.

00:15:49.980 But it's going to be like...

00:15:50.760 Or they've got the lips that blow up to three times their size.

00:15:53.080 I'm not a lip filler fan by any means.

00:15:55.240 I hate it.

00:15:55.480 Okay, I'm so glad you said this.

00:15:56.720 Because I actually was talking about this with my followers a couple of weeks ago.

00:15:59.920 And everyone was trying to make the argument that this is all for the female gaze.

00:16:03.680 That women do this for other women. 1.00

00:16:05.220 And that men actually hate every single one of these procedures.

00:16:08.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:16:08.660 For sure.

00:16:09.140 Confirmed.

00:16:09.800 Confirmed.

00:16:10.220 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:16:10.900 The furthest I'll go...

00:16:11.860 Even lipstick is mostly for other women. 0.99

00:16:13.800 I kind of like a little touch of red lipstick.

00:16:15.760 I think it's elegant.

00:16:17.200 But almost all of this is for other women. 0.95

00:16:20.200 That's so fascinating.

00:16:21.100 Yeah.

00:16:21.660 I don't want to make fun of it.

00:16:23.280 I feel bad for the women who have done this.

00:16:24.700 But if you haven't done it, don't do it.

00:16:25.880 Don't do it.

00:16:26.300 I've never seen it work out.

00:16:28.000 Well, and it moves around.

00:16:29.540 Like if you get filler, it migrates to different parts of your body.

00:16:32.420 Actually, it's hugely concerning.

00:16:34.560 Yeah.

00:16:34.900 Don't do it.

00:16:35.540 Don't do it.

00:16:36.180 Ladies, ladies. 0.99

00:16:38.600 If you've...

00:16:39.440 This is a public service.

00:16:40.620 If you feel like you don't like how you look or you do whatever, put the cupcake down.

00:16:47.160 Do whatever you got to do.

00:16:48.180 Go get your hair done.

00:16:49.020 But all this stuff, the poke and the prod and you're poisoning yourself, putting botulism

00:16:53.940 in your head and just...

00:16:55.740 It's okay.

00:16:56.240 You're beautiful.

00:16:56.880 You're beautiful just the way you are.

00:16:58.400 Amen.

00:16:58.880 You're beautiful.

00:16:59.540 And apparently it's satanic now, which I'm actually going to go reflect on that for a

00:17:03.840 long period of time.

00:17:04.540 People who have way too much cosmetic surgery do start to look like Baphomet or something.

00:17:09.400 It's giving the capital in the Hunger Games.

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00:18:01.220 Is he?

00:18:01.460 I don't know that I am moon landing pilled.

00:18:03.400 Wow.

00:18:04.060 I'm a scientist.

00:18:05.400 What is he even meant by that?

00:18:06.420 Like you're pilled on the moon landing or you're pilled that it didn't happen?

00:18:09.320 He's pilled that it maybe didn't happen.

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00:18:22.100 Once you go down that rabbit hole.

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00:18:27.540 Isabel, it's time.

00:18:30.000 It's time.

00:18:30.700 I didn't even realize it was already time.

00:18:32.960 The rapid fire.

00:18:33.800 The rapid fire.

00:18:36.160 Ooh.

00:18:37.260 You see that?

00:18:38.400 Nice.

00:18:39.020 How do you like that?

00:18:39.760 I'm ready.

00:18:40.180 So, you get three questions.

00:18:45.540 Mm-hmm.

00:18:46.380 30 seconds.

00:18:48.140 No time to outthink the other one.

00:18:51.000 I can still come back.

00:18:51.960 That's not.

00:18:52.320 It's possible.

00:18:53.040 It's not totally over.

00:18:55.040 Okay.

00:18:55.520 Ready?

00:18:56.840 Michael.

00:18:57.340 Yes.

00:18:57.620 Is playing video games a bigger red flag than watching anime?

00:19:00.740 It's a red flag, but it's not as big a red flag as anime.

00:19:11.540 Oh, we need to talk about anime.

00:19:12.860 This would be a good conversation.

00:19:14.520 Is birth control worse for you than nicotine?

00:19:22.960 Yeah, for sure.

00:19:23.720 Obviously.

00:19:24.560 Birth control is slow release poison.

00:19:26.560 Throw it away, everybody.

00:19:27.480 Would you, Michael, side with the Empire over the Rebels in the original Star Wars?

00:19:49.660 You wouldn't.

00:19:52.680 I would not.

00:19:54.000 It's like a cute thing.

00:19:55.780 It's a cute thing of like, well, there were the established power and, you know, these

00:19:59.560 were crazy rebels, but, you know.

00:20:01.080 You're a limited government guy at heart.

00:20:02.680 I'm, well, keeping government within its proper limits.

00:20:05.500 So, you can blow up a planet if you have to.

00:20:07.580 I'm not opposed to that.

00:20:08.640 But, but it, you know, it doesn't, that's not an excuse for tyranny.

00:20:12.420 St. Thomas Aquinas, you know, even provides an opportunity for revolution.

00:20:16.460 Yeah, that's right.

00:20:17.420 That's right.

00:20:18.640 The greatest of all theologians.

00:20:21.000 Yes, the goat.

00:20:21.540 I love that.

00:20:21.800 Yeah, yeah.

00:20:22.440 He's laughing right now.

00:20:23.540 Okay, are you, hey, hold on.

00:20:26.160 What was the first thing about?

00:20:28.020 Anime.

00:20:28.380 Anime.

00:20:29.080 Do you have a favorite anime?

00:20:30.380 Oh, yeah.

00:20:31.140 What is it?

00:20:31.400 I love the fourth one.

00:20:32.920 I don't know.

00:20:33.740 I don't know.

00:20:33.960 I remember Pokemon.

00:20:35.720 That's an anime.

00:20:36.380 Yeah.

00:20:36.680 That's an anime.

00:20:37.300 I remember that when I was a kid.

00:20:38.340 It's like entry.

00:20:39.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:20:40.020 Are you into it?

00:20:40.720 I've been getting slowly into it over the past few years.

00:20:44.280 I've watched a handful.

00:20:45.660 I will say as a standalone show, Attack on Titan is mind-blowingly good.

00:20:50.700 It might be one of the best TV shows ever.

00:20:52.860 For an adult or for a kid?

00:20:54.000 Both, although it's pretty intense.

00:20:55.840 So I would start it for like maybe a teenager max of the young age.

00:20:59.800 But for adults, it's a fascinating show.

00:21:01.980 And it speaks to, you know, tyranny and the plight of people when they're in situations where they need to overthrow people.

00:21:08.420 I mean, it's very good.

00:21:09.420 It's very good.

00:21:10.260 Do you think, do you like other cartoons that are not anime?

00:21:14.100 Yeah, I like cartoons.

00:21:15.420 Like Family Guy or something?

00:21:16.740 Yeah.

00:21:17.320 I never really got into Family Guy.

00:21:18.620 Now it feels like late to get into it.

00:21:20.280 South Park was a staple growing up in the mountains of Colorado.

00:21:22.920 South Park, Colorado is very close to where I grew up, actually.

00:21:25.660 There you go, yeah.

00:21:26.400 They always feature Casa Bonita.

00:21:28.260 What a time.

00:21:28.900 No, that's right.

00:21:29.980 Yeah, that's right.

00:21:30.680 Yeah.

00:21:31.440 Would you, if you were single.

00:21:33.820 Yep.

00:21:34.740 You found out a guy were like really into anime.

00:21:37.560 Like freakishly into it?

00:21:38.880 Well, yeah.

00:21:39.900 I mean, you know, I suppose that, you're speaking in degrees.

00:21:44.860 I'm saying in a binary way.

00:21:46.120 Into it, period.

00:21:46.780 Would you rather, you're told you're going to go on a blind date with a guy and you got some Giga Chad who doesn't watch anime and you got some guy who does watch anime.

00:21:53.560 Which are you more excited for?

00:21:54.620 Well, I think you're limiting yourself that the Giga Chad may watch anime, to be honest.

00:21:58.560 Do Giga Chads watch anime? 0.54

00:21:59.440 I think so.

00:22:00.180 Do you?

00:22:00.420 It's becoming a very mainstream thing in the West.

00:22:03.100 I mean, you have to keep in mind this is still relatively newish to our culture without the exceptions of Pokemon and Avatar The Last Airbender.

00:22:09.400 But I think anime has the future to be very, very compelling in that the content of the shows themselves are still based in traditional masculinity and heroism and doing the right thing when it's difficult and overthrowing tyrannical powers.

00:22:23.960 Most of our Americanized Hollywood shows are just garbage.

00:22:27.080 So why, okay, okay, I see that.

00:22:29.020 But why is that stuff, what is it about anime that makes it better?

00:22:34.920 I don't think it has to be animated versus live action.

00:22:37.760 I mean, they're even turning anime shows into live action right now, although they're butchering it.

00:22:41.880 There was a live action rendition of Avatar The Last Airbender that came out.

00:22:45.640 We were all so hopeful for it.

00:22:47.200 And then they literally destroyed all of the characters.

00:22:50.220 But it's just like the concept of the show.

00:22:52.320 The meat of it more than the presentation.

00:22:55.100 This is my question, because now it's sort of like Baudrillard hyper-reality.

00:22:58.340 Like you're getting so divorced from the thing.

00:23:00.220 If anime is not essentially about animation, if you can have a live action anime, then this is my confusion on anime.

00:23:09.380 Okay, that's fair.

00:23:10.240 I'm not like a rote hater of anime.

00:23:13.180 Well, and I wouldn't call myself the expert either.

00:23:14.840 I'm just an interested fan.

00:23:16.440 My question is, if we have this world where anime can be live action, then what is anime?

00:23:20.920 Well, it is still animated with CGI and special effects.

00:23:25.340 It's just like the live actor version.

00:23:28.080 But it still requires, I mean, you can't have a flying sky buffalo in real life.

00:23:32.020 Okay, so it has to be, you have to have flying.

00:23:34.300 Like, that's basically my question.

00:23:35.840 There is a fantasy element, I think, associated with all of the best anime shows that I've really enjoyed.

00:23:41.240 And look, also anime is a category of literally tens of thousands of different shows.

00:23:45.540 So I'm being very categorical in the few shows that I've seen.

00:23:48.960 So the anime, it doesn't have to come out of Japan.

00:23:53.040 It doesn't have to be, strictly speaking, animated.

00:23:55.780 It does have to have flying water buffaloes.

00:23:58.020 Naturally.

00:23:58.340 And it's new.

00:23:59.700 It's gaining audience.

00:24:01.420 But so if you had to say, give me one sentence, what distinguishes anime from other shows?

00:24:07.820 Today, the storytelling and the plot.

00:24:09.780 What about it?

00:24:11.380 There is a depth of substance with the journey that the character has to go on that is extremely compelling.

00:24:18.460 Whereas I feel like most American-produced television shows and movie adaptations and all of that miss the plot entirely at this point.

00:24:27.100 If Family Guy, there's no journey.

00:24:29.240 No, there's no journey.

00:24:30.200 But even the book adaptations that we're seeing now, they cut so much of the plot out.

00:24:34.740 It's all about the substance and the flash and the random gay non-binary character that somehow is the whole front of the show now. 1.00

00:24:41.760 I don't see that in anime.

00:24:43.140 It doesn't exist.

00:24:44.680 It's about the beautiful story.

00:24:45.980 What if a guy, so you're told, you got a date.

00:24:48.700 Oh, to answer your question.

00:24:49.640 Well, no, that and then the second part, which is you're told you can go on a date.

00:24:53.220 There's one guy, Giga Chad, doesn't play video games.

00:24:56.460 Other guy does play video games.

00:24:59.060 Which date are you more excited for?

00:25:00.680 More excited for?

00:25:01.720 Well, I'm married.

00:25:02.380 He is a gamer.

00:25:03.380 Single Isabel, he is a gamer.

00:25:04.920 He is a gamer.

00:25:05.720 Although, within moderation, right?

00:25:07.660 He doesn't sit there in the basement.

00:25:09.220 This is my point on the...

00:25:10.280 24-7, 365.

00:25:11.360 Yeah, my whole point on this question is I've found many more normal guys will play the occasional video game.

00:25:18.420 Yeah, it's fun.

00:25:19.380 Than will watch Japanese. 0.85

00:25:20.660 I've been known to dabble in the occasional Hogwarts Legacy stint.

00:25:24.780 Wow.

00:25:24.840 Yeah.

00:25:25.320 Wow, okay.

00:25:26.040 But that's the Harry Potter affixing out it would be.

00:25:28.220 Yeah, okay, wow.

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00:26:33.080 Rapid fire.

00:26:33.660 Now, rapid fire, you're up.

00:26:34.980 No, you're up.

00:26:35.100 We're being very rapid.

00:26:36.080 I'm up.

00:26:36.620 Okay.

00:26:39.300 Are we living in the end times?

00:26:41.740 Hmm.

00:26:42.840 How is that a rapid fire question?

00:26:45.340 Yes or no?

00:26:48.820 You're going to say no.

00:26:49.740 No, no.

00:26:50.540 I don't think we are.

00:26:51.460 No.

00:26:51.820 I think every generation has always said that.

00:26:54.840 Has ick culture warped Gen Z women's perspective on dating? 0.99

00:26:58.820 Hmm.

00:27:05.900 You're going to say yes.

00:27:06.960 Yep.

00:27:07.380 Yes.

00:27:08.440 Is there any circumstance in which a wife should have the final say over her husband? 0.98

00:27:14.260 Oh my gosh.

00:27:15.960 You guys are trying to get me in trouble.

00:27:17.960 Is there any circumstance?

00:27:20.480 Which wife should have the final say over her husband? 1.00

00:27:23.160 I think you're going to say, I think you're going to say no.

00:27:38.240 Yes.

00:27:38.940 You said yes.

00:27:39.880 Okay.

00:27:40.480 What's the circumstance?

00:27:40.860 With some nuance and I'm sure all the internet trolls are going to come for me on that one.

00:27:44.720 No, I think if your family is being led into grave sin, you have an opportunity and an obligation as the wife to gently guide your family in the other direction.

00:27:54.940 Is there any circumstance?

00:27:56.580 So you're basically saying God is the final say.

00:27:58.340 Yeah, ultimately.

00:27:59.140 And I actually think God gave women unique intuitive capabilities that men don't have, right?

00:28:03.700 We read body language much differently.

00:28:05.320 I think we can assess the emotional impact of a situation much differently.

00:28:08.860 But there's a reason women have gut feelings and usually they're right. 1.00

00:28:12.280 Yeah, yeah.

00:28:12.480 One of my family's favorite movies growing up of all time is My Big Fat Greek Wedding, a cultural pillar.

00:28:18.100 Yeah.

00:28:18.680 I actually, I never saw it, but I remember.

00:28:21.040 And there's a great line that we quote all the time.

00:28:23.000 The man is the head of the house, but the woman is the neck. 1.00

00:28:26.300 And she can turn the head any way she wants. 1.00

00:28:28.840 Well, this is the old observation, the hand that rocks the cradles, the hand that rocks the world.

00:28:31.980 Yes, exactly.

00:28:32.280 But now to clarify, even though I was debating, do I, in some circumstance where the husband is like,

00:28:37.500 hey, we're going to be Satanists now, you know, then you're not going to listen to it.

00:28:40.080 Of course.

00:28:40.660 But barring grave mortal sin, barring the husband trying to lead the family into grave mortal sin,

00:28:48.060 is there any other circumstance?

00:28:50.200 You know, moving homes or whatever.

00:28:52.020 I mean, it's so hard to dictate that.

00:28:53.700 My family is new, obviously.

00:28:55.900 I've been married a little over a year.

00:28:57.380 We are brand new parents, so we're very much learning on the job.

00:29:00.320 And I wouldn't proclaim myself to be a marital or parenting expert by any means.

00:29:05.320 Generally speaking, I think the man has the obligation to be the head of the house.

00:29:08.640 That's how it was designed.

00:29:09.860 A lot of the time he doesn't even want to be.

00:29:11.180 A lot of the time he doesn't want to be.

00:29:12.640 Sometimes you have to kick him in the butt and say, get up, you've got to do this for our family.

00:29:16.640 But it's that distortion that I think has really eroded masculinity in such really devastating ways in our society.

00:29:23.160 And why women have the ick factor to bring things full circle. 1.00

00:29:26.000 Yes.

00:29:26.120 No, I think you're right.

00:29:26.860 Because you're obviously right.

00:29:27.940 If a man, and I do think it's basically that's the only circumstance, 0.77

00:29:31.920 which is if a man is leading your family into grave mortal sin, you have an obligation to say, no, no, no.

00:29:37.920 The king's loyal subject, but God's first. 0.98

00:29:40.740 But short of that, yeah, the guy's the head of the household.

00:29:44.860 And the husband, rather, is the head of the household.

00:29:46.240 And a lot of the time, Elisa said this to me the other day, we were debating whatever the subject was.

00:29:52.560 And I don't know, what do you want to do?

00:29:53.840 What do you want to do?

00:29:55.080 Whatever you want to do, you tell me.

00:29:56.520 What do you want to do?

00:29:57.740 I mean, I think, hey, Mac, you're the head of the household, right?

00:30:03.260 How about you make a decision and tell me what to do and do it?

00:30:06.000 You go, girl.

00:30:07.080 And I was like, you're right, you're right.

00:30:09.100 I'm being a huge whim here.

00:30:13.280 You're right, I need to just make, I don't want to make a decision on whatever it is,

00:30:16.560 like Chinese food or Indian food or whatever, but I have to.

00:30:20.280 And then, yeah, that's my job.

00:30:22.060 That's part of the deal, man.

00:30:23.320 As a woman, there is nothing more attractive than when a man has a total plan

00:30:26.920 and you don't have to think about anything.

00:30:28.660 My very first date I ever went on with my husband, he didn't ask me on the date.

00:30:31.920 We had known each other for a few days at this point, but he said, we're going on a date next Friday.

00:30:35.540 He said, me, Tarzan, you, Jane.

00:30:37.140 Okay, and he had it all planned and it was the coolest thing ever.

00:30:40.360 I mean, it was awesome.

00:30:41.220 There was no wondering.

00:30:43.900 There was no trying to secretly pull feelings out of somebody, you up, text or any of that.

00:30:49.400 It was just very straightforward.

00:30:50.620 Very giga-chad behavior.

00:30:51.860 And now we're married.

00:30:52.340 That is.

00:30:52.920 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:53.380 There was like that chick. 1.00

00:30:54.700 You remember that chick who, she was a lesbian and she went viral. 1.00

00:30:57.400 She goes, I went on a date with this guy and he just ordered me a drink and just bought it and gave it to me.

00:31:03.920 I've never seen that before.

00:31:05.280 I mean, heck, Jojo Siwa is straight now, so I'm just saying, the alpha male thing is pretty attractive.

00:31:10.060 It's back, yeah.

00:31:11.300 It's back.

00:31:11.960 Okay, all right.

00:31:12.560 That's good.

00:31:13.000 That's a good answer.

00:31:13.660 Now, do you know what it's time for, Isabel?

00:31:15.700 Double point round.

00:31:16.920 Is it?

00:31:17.540 I don't know.

00:31:18.080 I don't know.

00:31:18.480 I'm just reading what's in the teleprompter.

00:31:20.140 It's time for the final round.

00:31:22.920 See, I was right.

00:31:23.760 Is that double point round?

00:31:24.640 I think so, based on your previous episodes.

00:31:27.180 Now, I'm glad somebody watched it.

00:31:29.300 The prompt will be read.

00:31:33.420 We will both lock in our answers.

00:31:35.460 Then, we move our glasses to yes or no to see if we can read each other's minds.

00:31:39.880 The round is worth double points.

00:31:41.500 You're right.

00:31:41.900 That was good.

00:31:42.280 That was good.

00:31:43.000 It could change everything.

00:31:44.600 It really could.

00:31:45.400 Wow.

00:31:45.720 Oh, man.

00:31:46.520 You're up.

00:31:46.900 Okay.

00:31:51.480 Superman should be deported.

00:31:54.260 You would say no.

00:32:12.680 Here's what you would say.

00:32:15.480 You would say yes.

00:32:16.660 Give me my points.

00:32:18.440 We both lost?

00:32:19.700 We both lost.

00:32:19.920 I said yes.

00:32:20.480 You said no.

00:32:21.200 You said yes.

00:32:21.500 Yeah, I said no.

00:32:22.160 Here's why.

00:32:23.060 Well, you're a little lady. 1.00

00:32:24.080 You tell me your reasoning first.

00:32:25.420 Well, mainly, I'm just upset with how they've handled this new rendition of Superman, but...

00:32:30.120 The director of this movie should be deported.

00:32:31.980 And that's sad because I actually really like James Gunn's prior work.

00:32:35.300 I do.

00:32:35.620 I love Guardians of the Galaxy.

00:32:37.440 You don't like Guardians?

00:32:38.140 I saw that.

00:32:38.800 I mean, Guardians is iconic, but yeah.

00:32:40.020 It was all right.

00:32:40.560 It was fine.

00:32:40.900 It's a shame, unfortunately.

00:32:42.240 That guy, I don't know.

00:32:43.060 You could deport him.

00:32:43.820 I don't care.

00:32:44.340 Remember, conservatives were defending him.

00:32:45.760 They said he got canceled.

00:32:46.620 Whatever.

00:32:47.160 Cancel him.

00:32:47.660 I don't care.

00:32:48.080 Well, the thing that just doesn't make sense to me is the whole immigration angle when he is a literal

00:32:52.820 alien, not illegal alien.

00:32:55.720 I don't care.

00:32:56.160 I'm mad.

00:32:57.340 Here's my based argument for why we shouldn't deport Superman.

00:32:59.900 All right.

00:33:00.020 Let's hear it.

00:33:00.400 The argument is, look, he's an alien, and I guess he's an illegal alien in the sense that

00:33:04.800 he didn't have papers, but he is in the American interest, so we keep him because he's in our

00:33:11.900 interest.

00:33:12.240 And I think that's how we should look at illegal immigration to some degree.

00:33:16.040 I mean, if there's someone, most of them should need to go back, but if there's some

00:33:19.220 illegal immigrant who happens to be really good for America, I'm happy to make an exception. 1.00

00:33:24.160 The sovereign is he who decides the exception.

00:33:25.720 So, sure, I'm happy to make an exception if it really serves American interests, but even

00:33:29.620 broadly on immigration policy, really the only factor that we should consider is if

00:33:34.980 it serves American interests.

00:33:36.000 That is how immigration policies have in principle.

00:33:37.780 It's how it works all over the world right now.

00:33:39.660 Right now.

00:33:40.220 Except where we live.

00:33:41.300 Including in our own country, that's how it's supposed to work.

00:33:44.000 And so I think, okay, well, he serves our purposes.

00:33:47.960 Good.

00:33:48.180 We keep him.

00:33:49.300 And Lex Luthor, is he an immigrant? 1.00

00:33:52.440 No, he's a citizen.

00:33:53.040 I don't know.

00:33:53.280 I don't know.

00:33:53.520 Deport him anyway, or whatever.

00:33:54.740 You know, so it's like, I just think we need to be a little more, the libertarian, the really

00:33:59.760 ideological conservative would say, well, no, actually, you know, what's good for the

00:34:03.600 goose is good for the gander.

00:34:04.500 And if we're going to deport a Mexican criminal, we're going to deport Superman too. 0.95

00:34:07.200 It's like, bro, you can't tell the difference between it's a face tattooed Mexican gangster. 0.59

00:34:11.500 I understand that.

00:34:12.180 Mine is stemming from a place of personal frustration, but I actually think I would agree.

00:34:15.680 No, and I would say the synthesis of those two ideas is deport James Gunn.

00:34:20.400 There you go.

00:34:20.860 Deport James Gunn for that horrible movie that I had to sit for.

00:34:23.280 There's your thumbnail.

00:34:24.240 Yeah, I hated that movie.

00:34:26.080 It's not, what I hated about it was it wasn't the worst movie I've ever seen.

00:34:29.220 No, like the story was actually okay.

00:34:31.020 It was fine.

00:34:31.780 It was, and it was actually, talk about, we're talking about men and women.

00:34:34.640 I felt the romantic plot was pretty, pretty sturdy, actually.

00:34:38.860 It was, it was very traditional.

00:34:40.420 It was, I believe there was a real chemistry between the two of them.

00:34:42.720 Yeah.

00:34:42.760 But the, what was the story?

00:34:45.460 I didn't even know what the story was.

00:34:46.960 It was more like flash and substance.

00:34:49.240 Yeah.

00:34:49.740 Which is what I'm saying.

00:34:50.820 We're missing the plot.

00:34:52.120 Yeah, we are.

00:34:52.360 Even in things where we have the plot to reference.

00:34:55.340 I agree.

00:34:55.800 Okay, so this is it.

00:34:56.480 All right.

00:34:56.740 This is my last chance.

00:34:57.320 Catholics have dual loyalty to the Vatican and to their home country.

00:35:06.440 Catholics have dual loyalty to the Vatican and to their own country.

00:35:19.440 All right.

00:35:20.580 You, Michael.

00:35:22.020 You would say.

00:35:22.900 You would say yes.

00:35:23.760 No.

00:35:24.240 You would say no.

00:35:24.880 Both got them wrong.

00:35:27.380 You would say yes and I would say no.

00:35:28.140 You said no.

00:35:29.180 Interesting.

00:35:29.720 Why?

00:35:30.120 Here's why.

00:35:30.920 Because I should have said, I should have said yes.

00:35:34.340 I'm just too tired.

00:35:35.240 For you, I should have said yes.

00:35:37.000 I, and I would have won.

00:35:38.140 That would have been so good.

00:35:41.240 Here's why.

00:35:42.280 Yes, obviously we have a loyalty to the Vatican, which in principle could have some conflict,

00:35:46.860 but not necessarily because the Vatican and national loyalty to America are not loyalties of the same kind.

00:35:53.840 Well, I would agree with that.

00:35:55.160 So, however, the reason this question is raised is because people go after the Jews and they say the Jews have dual loyalty to America and to the state of Israel.

00:36:02.420 And that's true, actually.

00:36:04.820 But you'd say, well, Catholics have, if the United States went to war with the Vatican. 0.78

00:36:08.140 No, but I think it's a completely separate frame of reference.

00:36:11.340 It's not apples to apples.

00:36:12.740 It's not apples to apples.

00:36:13.820 And the hard thing, the funny thing is there are plenty of Jews who actually hate the state of Israel and they have no loyalty to it at all. 0.73

00:36:19.000 They should have more loyalty to it than they do.

00:36:20.240 What? You're telling me everything I see on Twitter?

00:36:21.880 I know, believe it or not.

00:36:24.060 But it's a hard thing because for the Jews, there is a tribal identity, which is real.

00:36:32.060 You know, I think that's like good.

00:36:33.760 The Jew haters say like, that's really bad.

00:36:35.220 I think there's something actually kind of admirable about that.

00:36:37.820 But it's why these accusations come up throughout the ages and often become very ugly and nasty.

00:36:42.700 And there is a similarity with the Catholics, which is, I think, why Catholics can understand that better than other groups.

00:36:49.780 But the similarity is imperfect because, first of all, we haven't had the papal states in 140 years or something like that.

00:36:56.960 But also, even when we had the papal states, you weren't a citizen of the papal states.

00:37:02.640 You know, you were a citizen of your own country because nationalism is relatively new.

00:37:06.720 Nationalism comes up with the Peace of Westphalia and the Treaty of Augsburg.

00:37:10.060 And it's kind of relatively recent.

00:37:12.760 So it's not.

00:37:14.040 But, I mean, this is where I would have to defend our super Zionist Jewish friends against the modern nation state type people. 0.97

00:37:25.420 You could ask one of them.

00:37:27.720 If the U.S. went to war with Israel, who would you side with?

00:37:30.480 If you claim loyalty to two nation states, you have a problem.

00:37:34.960 I mean, even if you're a, you could be a British citizen.

00:37:36.860 If America goes to war with Britain, you have a problem if you're a dual citizen.

00:37:41.660 I don't have citizenship at the Vatican.

00:37:43.680 True.

00:37:44.220 But if the United States, if they reconstituted the papal Zouaves and the United States went to war, Pope Pius XIII, you know, is invading the Holy Land and Syria and reconstituting.

00:37:56.480 We need a new King Baldwin. 0.73

00:37:57.440 We're getting Baldwin and the U.S. declares war on him.

00:38:01.940 You and I would have a problem, wouldn't we?

00:38:04.220 Yes, we would.

00:38:05.200 I think the way that this question is phrased is important because obviously we are not legal citizens of the Holy See.

00:38:11.140 I think if the question had been phrased as the Holy See instead of the Vatican, I may have answered differently.

00:38:16.240 But it's been fascinating for me.

00:38:17.480 I'm getting my master's in theology right now because I can't help myself.

00:38:20.760 I get bored too easily.

00:38:21.640 Thank you.

00:38:22.080 And it's been really fascinating this last year or so spending time sitting with and contemplating the role of nationalism and your identity to your country as a citizen versus your willingness to obey the Pope and obey the Vatican.

00:38:36.700 And that's what your ultimate obligation is during this lifetime because ultimately the United States of America doesn't exist after we die.

00:38:43.920 Heaven does.

00:38:44.640 And that's the role of the church is to get us there and try to bring as many people there with us as possible.

00:38:48.960 So I've even been playing around with learning more about the sin of Americanism and that's a conversation that people aren't really ready to have, I think, in our country.

00:38:58.840 But we do need to have it because ultimately our primary allegiance always has to be to Christ and to Christ's law.

00:39:05.420 So you're fully, you're Boniface-pilled.

00:39:07.320 I mean, you are like the church has both keys, both swords.

00:39:11.640 Well, look, you can ask a gazillion different apocalyptic scholars and almost every one of them will tell you the United States doesn't exist at the end times, more likely than not.

00:39:20.500 So I love my country.

00:39:22.040 I am a diehard, red-blooded American.

00:39:24.840 Your girl wore a MAGA hat on the cover of Newsweek magazine in college, okay?

00:39:28.700 Like I will always defend our country and I think it's important for us to continue doing that.

00:39:33.240 But ultimately, my obligation is to God and to Christ and so my loyalty would also have to lie with the Vatican from the religious spiritual sense, although I'm not a citizen of Vatican City or the Holy Spirit.

00:39:46.340 Yeah, this is where I find myself, as is often the case, in the Dante position.

00:39:53.000 Dante was a member of the Guelph party, which was the pro-Pope party, fighting against the pro-Empire party.

00:40:00.640 Because the temporal power was the Empire and the spiritual power was the Pope.

00:40:04.300 The Pope also had a lot of temporal power and claimed temporal power to himself.

00:40:08.000 Dante was part of the pro-Pope party, but he was part of the faction of the pro-Pope party that was pro-Empire.

00:40:15.200 So he was sort of like a rhino.

00:40:16.660 Dante was like the rhino of medieval Tuscany and Florence.

00:40:20.960 But he had this view.

00:40:23.280 He said, look, the really hardcore pro-Pope party, forget about your allegiance to the Empire, it's just to the Pope.

00:40:31.720 They would say, well, ultimately we control everything and the Empire derives its power from us.

00:40:38.720 And what Dante would argue and the pro-Empire party would say is, no, no, actually the Empire predates the Church.

00:40:46.520 And actually the Church is born within the Empire.

00:40:48.900 And actually in the fullness of time, Christ is born within the Roman Empire.

00:40:51.700 And because the Empire claimed jurisdiction over the world and executes him according to the civil law, which is why it's a sacrifice for the entire world.

00:40:58.980 So, I mean, I think it is a matter of natural virtue to love your country.

00:41:04.580 Oh, of course.

00:41:04.900 No, I think patriotism is an extension of killing party.

00:41:07.260 And Christ would probably say the same, right?

00:41:08.420 You're supposed to obey the laws of your country.

00:41:10.600 You're supposed to give to Caesar what Caesar is.

00:41:12.580 Yes, yes.

00:41:13.100 Took the words right out of my mouth.

00:41:14.080 Yes.

00:41:14.480 And so the only real, I think, synthesis here is we need America to be a confessional state, right?

00:41:21.940 Amen.

00:41:22.280 Is that any way?

00:41:23.420 I think we lost some of the audience.

00:41:25.380 I got destroyed.

00:41:26.720 That's brutal.

00:41:27.360 It was brutal.

00:41:28.640 That's a beat down.

00:41:29.380 What you can do in the meantime as I drink away my suffering, go check out more of Isabel's content on Instagram at, at, at, at, the Isabel Brown.

00:41:39.960 And make sure to watch her show on YouTube.

00:41:42.680 Do you know what it's called?

00:41:44.240 The Isabel Brown Show.

00:41:45.840 Check out this teaser.

00:41:47.320 Isabel Brown.

00:41:48.080 Isabel Brown.

00:41:48.740 Isabel Brown.

00:41:49.340 Isabel Brown.

00:41:49.920 The wait is almost over.

00:41:51.260 She's joining Daily Wire Plus with the Isabel Brown Show.

00:41:54.140 Cannot wait for you guys to see how hard we've been working.

00:41:56.680 I could not be more excited for this new adventure.

00:41:58.820 You can expect larger-than-life guests, deeper questions.

00:42:01.760 I'm encouraged by it.

00:42:02.660 I see what you're seeing.

00:42:03.660 The gift that you have as a woman to create life is the most badass, punk rock, incredible thing that you could possibly do. 1.00

00:42:13.220 This is an active culture war that we are still fighting, and it's vitally important that we fight now harder than ever.

00:42:19.340 To the nerds.

00:42:20.840 Meeting the President of the United States and the Vice President.

00:42:24.080 And now meeting our new American Pope.

00:42:26.760 This is crazy.

00:42:28.820 This is freaking out.

00:42:30.360 I am so psyched to be bringing you guys along on this journey.

00:42:33.680 Let's jump in.

00:42:42.760 Now, I love that clip.

00:42:44.660 Thank you.

00:42:45.000 Thank you.

00:42:45.280 Someone criticized this.

00:42:47.060 When this was announced, I promoted it.

00:42:49.420 I said, this is great stuff.

00:42:51.340 Thumbs up, everything.

00:42:52.540 And someone said, that's set.

00:42:54.700 Hold on, hold on.

00:42:55.380 Bring that back.

00:42:56.060 Bring back the, yes, there it is.

00:42:57.980 So, I was told on the internet when I was endorsing you were coming over, I was told that it's giving live, laugh, love.

00:43:06.520 My argument was this.

00:43:08.380 My argument was that live, laugh, love, much like the paintings of Thomas Kincaid, the painter of light, is not a liberal kitsch, but is instead, at a deeper level, a deeply subversive countercultural right-wing stuff because it elevates bourgeois morality, which the radicals of the left hate.

00:43:29.400 I might make the counterargument.

00:43:33.140 I would say there is very obvious subversive right-wing extremism messaging here.

00:43:39.180 We've got Star Wars paraphernalia all over.

00:43:42.740 Where?

00:43:43.280 We've got a stormtrooper with a cactus growing out of his head.

00:43:46.620 Oh.

00:43:47.080 And R2-D2 over there.

00:43:48.880 We've got Napoleon Dynamite, easy comedy, reminding you it's okay to laugh.

00:43:53.620 Of course, the Eucharist and Mother Mary.

00:43:55.500 Oh, yes.

00:43:56.120 Is that Our Lady of Grace?

00:43:56.860 And St. Joan of Arc.

00:43:57.680 Okay, wow.

00:43:58.460 The National Parks, Cowgirls, the whole nine.

00:44:02.000 Whoa, that's good.

00:44:02.860 They may think it's live, laugh, love, but the longer they look at it.

00:44:05.900 What does that say?

00:44:06.960 Wow, I didn't notice the Eucharist and the Monstrance.

00:44:09.500 I didn't notice Our Lady.

00:44:10.840 I didn't.

00:44:11.540 What is the thing at the top left there?

00:44:13.700 It's something we.

00:44:15.340 By grace, I've been redeemed.

00:44:16.900 By grace, I've been restored.

00:44:18.340 Wow.

00:44:19.320 And is there a saint there?

00:44:20.780 That is St. Joan of Arc, yes.

00:44:22.060 That's Joan of Arc.

00:44:22.840 Okay, yeah, yeah.

00:44:23.920 Wow.

00:44:24.160 It says, I'm not afraid I was born to do this.

00:44:26.500 Wow.

00:44:26.900 Oh, that's nice.

00:44:29.160 Why is it, you know I love this, even though I'm an old man now, I feel spiritually a Zoomer.

00:44:34.040 We accept you.

00:44:34.760 You can be a refugee.

00:44:35.580 Thank you.

00:44:35.960 I appreciate that.

00:44:37.020 Why is it that the Zoomers are, like the millennials are kind of cringe and liberal, like classically 1.00

00:44:43.340 liberal or whatever.

00:44:43.900 And the Zoomers are classical, hardcore, common good. 0.98

00:44:47.800 Like wildly based, yeah.

00:44:48.280 Yeah.

00:44:48.760 And the millennials are like, we can't know if God exists. 0.82

00:44:53.920 Like we can't.

00:44:54.720 And the Zoomers are like, God, like you will submit to the Roman pontiff. 1.00

00:44:59.720 Why is that?

00:45:00.580 It's true.

00:45:00.760 It's true.

00:45:01.120 I honestly think it was brought out of necessity because things just got so out of control

00:45:05.460 that we crave tradition.

00:45:07.180 We crave structure.

00:45:08.100 We crave a tether to something that is foundational and doesn't change with the whims of day to

00:45:13.120 day.

00:45:13.360 And that's why Catholicism in particular is so appealing to Gen Zers because this is

00:45:18.020 something that largely hasn't changed for 2,000 years.

00:45:20.780 We can draw a straight line backwards in history.

00:45:23.320 And the classical liturgy and the substance of the Eucharist and reading the church fathers

00:45:27.460 is like all any Zoomer wants to talk about right now because your alternative is the sparkle

00:45:32.180 creed in the Lutheran church in Minnesota.

00:45:34.720 Real thing.

00:45:35.380 Is that real?

00:45:35.980 Oh, yeah.

00:45:36.280 Were you Lutheran?

00:45:37.080 No, I wasn't.

00:45:37.960 You just noticed something.

00:45:38.560 I just happened to react to a video literally reciting the sparkle creed from a female priest.

00:45:42.780 When I bring this up, though, with like the priestesses or whatever, I have these guys

00:45:45.820 write in and they say, hey, Michael, I'm a Lutheran.

00:45:47.720 I disavow.

00:45:48.540 I disavow.

00:45:49.240 There are two sects of Lutheranism, I will say.

00:45:52.060 So the crazier one will be honest.

00:45:54.220 But it's disheartening when I'm in Washington, D.C. where I live and I walk into the National

00:45:58.300 Cathedral and there's literally a stained glass window of like BLM because the Episcopals 0.98

00:46:02.720 have lost their lives.

00:46:03.020 I was there.

00:46:03.940 You were there at the National Prayer Service.

00:46:05.840 I wasn't.

00:46:06.380 No.

00:46:06.660 You were not there.

00:46:07.360 So I was there.

00:46:08.300 And I was sitting pretty close to everybody.

00:46:09.940 I wish I was there because I would have had some great facial expressions.

00:46:12.780 for the media to pick up.

00:46:14.120 I was sitting right ahead of, Posobiec was there and there were a bunch of us and we

00:46:18.980 were sitting, you know, on the left side and then in the center right there was Trump

00:46:22.740 and Vance and those guys.

00:46:24.920 And so we're sitting here.

00:46:27.920 Trump and Vance are sitting here.

00:46:29.280 The bishopress lady was here. 0.98

00:46:30.520 So we're right in the line.

00:46:31.840 We can see the line.

00:46:33.180 And I remember when that lady was going off on, you know, the poor, aggrieved, homosexual 1.00

00:46:37.820 Apache or whatever.

00:46:39.620 It was this amazing moment where they're like, oh, it's going down.

00:46:43.580 Okay, great.

00:46:44.100 Why is this?

00:46:45.160 Of course, the National Cathedral too.

00:46:47.220 You talk about the heresy of Americanism and the error of liberalism.

00:46:50.180 The sin.

00:46:50.900 Frankly, the sin of liberalism.

00:46:51.960 Every wife knows exactly what Usha Vance was thinking in that moment.

00:46:55.600 Shut up. 0.95

00:46:55.960 Do not make a thing.

00:46:57.860 Grab the thigh. 1.00

00:46:59.680 Isabel, congratulations on your win.

00:47:01.220 Thank you, Michael.

00:47:01.940 I'm so glad you're here at Daily Wire now.

00:47:03.780 I'm so excited.

00:47:04.540 I'm glad that you have watched this episode of Yes or No.

00:47:07.800 And I will see you next time.

00:47:10.180 In the meantime, I will finish my drink.

00:47:12.060 Cheers to you.

00:47:12.660 Cheers.

The Michael Knowles Show - September 28, 2025

Tough Questions And Real Drinks： YES or NO ｜ Isabel Brown

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