The Michael Knowles Show - July 02, 2025


Trad Wife FIGHT ｜ Fiery Debate with Michael Knowles


Episode Stats

Length

39 minutes

Words per Minute

213.7625

Word Count

8,492

Sentence Count

667

Misogynist Sentences

109

Hate Speech Sentences

50


Summary

In this episode, we discuss the growing problem of stay-at-home dads and why it s not just a mommy's problem, it's a whole generation's problem. Plus, we have a special guest on the show to help us make sense of it all.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 I want you to tell women what to do.
00:00:03.120 If you're just going to sit and live with mom and dad all your life
00:00:06.040 until Prince Charming comes and saves you, that may not happen.
00:00:09.320 I promote women can have it all.
00:00:10.620 I personally don't think women should vote.
00:00:12.340 Every single thing you say is literally appealing to men.
00:00:16.740 I think you're evading the question.
00:00:18.300 Well, I think the advice you give to women is awful.
00:00:21.420 And I don't think it comes from true happy.
00:00:23.220 Of course it is.
00:00:24.360 You wouldn't be so triggered.
00:00:25.660 Forrated my husband for absolutely no reason.
00:00:27.640 I just looked at two seconds and I was like, oh, that's a gay man.
00:00:30.540 When I was a boy, I was told there would never be a war between the sexes
00:00:34.460 because everyone was sleeping with the enemy.
00:00:37.200 And somehow that actually isn't true anymore.
00:00:39.860 Somehow men and women are not sleeping together.
00:00:42.040 I guess that's good if they're not married, but they're also not getting married
00:00:44.460 and they're not having kids.
00:00:46.120 There seems to be a spike in men hating women, a spike in women hating men,
00:00:50.920 an abundance of dating apps, and yet a dearth of dating.
00:00:55.200 So to help me, an old man, make sense of this, I have invited on three hip, cool,
00:01:02.180 young Zoomer women.
00:01:03.840 That would be Melanie Mack, Emily Wilson, and Savannah Stone.
00:01:08.240 Ladies, thank you for being on the show.
00:01:10.740 Thank you so much for having us.
00:01:12.940 So my friend Tommy Lauren has gone viral for talking about this problem
00:01:18.500 and placing the blame at the feet of stay-at-home boys.
00:01:23.000 Leave it to Gen Z to rebrand laziness and social awkwardness as something cutesy,
00:01:29.580 like a stay-at-home son.
00:01:30.780 They did much the same thing with quiet quitting, where you can go to work and do less.
00:01:35.060 And if you call it quiet quitting, it's somehow better.
00:01:37.860 But Laura, I got to tell you, this is also a big problem when it comes to,
00:01:41.020 I think, declining birth rates, people not getting married and having children.
00:01:44.860 You know, that's a big problem.
00:01:45.800 They blame it on women.
00:01:47.160 Well, look at what young women have to choose from.
00:01:49.800 The pickings are slim.
00:01:51.480 Pickings are slim.
00:01:52.340 It's all the boys' fault.
00:01:53.220 It's not the girls' fault.
00:01:54.100 Emily, what say you?
00:01:55.840 No, I'm with her on this.
00:01:57.380 I'm not saying that there's not blame across the board.
00:02:00.080 I don't even think it's a men hating women, women hating men.
00:02:02.600 I think it's everyone hating each other problem right now,
00:02:05.540 because I see it women against women, men against men.
00:02:07.740 But she's right.
00:02:08.820 I mean, I live in Beverly Hills.
00:02:11.740 Most of the men around here come from money.
00:02:14.900 They're complete mommy's boys.
00:02:16.700 They stay at home until they're literally in their late 30s.
00:02:19.760 And there's guys who walk around and they're TikTokers.
00:02:23.540 I mean, she makes a lot of good points.
00:02:25.600 I agree with everything she's saying.
00:02:26.840 I don't ever put 100% blame on.
00:02:28.700 But yeah, she's right.
00:02:29.880 Men are also becoming a bit feminine.
00:02:32.500 Okay.
00:02:32.740 So if you had to place the blame, you know, you say it's not 100%.
00:02:36.320 Is it 90-10, 75-25?
00:02:38.840 I think it's 50-50.
00:02:40.580 50-50.
00:02:41.240 Okay.
00:02:41.440 So then you don't, then it's not primarily the boys.
00:02:43.860 It's the girls and the boys.
00:02:45.540 Savannah?
00:02:45.880 Yeah.
00:02:47.380 You know, I would say both, but I have a little bit of a different perspective,
00:02:50.440 because I live in the South.
00:02:52.340 So most men are very masculine.
00:02:54.980 They're manly.
00:02:55.440 They go hunting.
00:02:56.180 They provide for women.
00:02:57.560 And I would say where I live, it's actually mainly the women.
00:03:00.920 And I'm going to contribute that to modern feminism.
00:03:04.060 Just the fact that they don't want to be traditional.
00:03:06.380 They don't want to live this traditional life.
00:03:08.000 But the men are looking for that.
00:03:09.540 But they're struggling to find traditional women because modern feminism has told women
00:03:13.880 that their career is more important than having a family.
00:03:17.840 Okay.
00:03:18.140 So you're placing the blame more at the girls' feet.
00:03:21.440 Yes.
00:03:22.060 Okay.
00:03:22.460 All right.
00:03:22.860 Melanie?
00:03:23.800 I think it's 50-50.
00:03:25.020 I do think it's a society problem.
00:03:26.960 But I also have to say that if you live, so I live in Texas.
00:03:30.000 And here in Texas, there's not this stay-at-home mommy-boy epidemic going on,
00:03:35.860 for the most part, at least in the Bible Belt where I'm at.
00:03:38.200 Men are masculine.
00:03:39.360 They're working hard.
00:03:40.440 And the women are feminine out here, for the most part.
00:03:43.220 So I think if you really want to get away from all of that, all of these,
00:03:47.420 everybody want to be a TikToker, everybody want to be a Kardashian,
00:03:50.480 because this is on both sides, then move somewhere that has good biblical values.
00:03:57.280 Okay, so that's a great point.
00:04:00.700 But now we're at 50-50.
00:04:02.900 So it's not even 50.001 to 49.999.
00:04:08.180 You're saying it's exactly 50.
00:04:10.300 You don't, none of you want to place the blame at the girls' or the boys' feet.
00:04:14.760 Okay, fair enough, very diplomatic, very nice, very complimentary,
00:04:17.280 and very trad in many ways.
00:04:18.480 But then how do you fix it?
00:04:20.020 If you've got the boys acting like girly men,
00:04:22.620 and you've got the girls acting sort of vacuous and promiscuous,
00:04:26.940 then how do you, how are the two going to meet?
00:04:30.460 I think you only fix this with God.
00:04:32.440 You only fix this with biblical values.
00:04:34.140 I think the reason why society has gone so chaotic like this,
00:04:38.140 a huge reason why, is because people have,
00:04:40.880 and society has steered away from these values.
00:04:43.240 They normalized hookup culture, which is not good.
00:04:45.800 This is why a lot of the youth aren't dating anymore,
00:04:48.760 because that there's just, that's not healthy at all.
00:04:51.640 And then you've also got a very selfish culture.
00:04:54.620 Everybody wants to feel like they're the prize.
00:04:56.720 And the problem with feeling like you're the prize
00:04:58.900 when you're seeking a relationship is you're looking for a servant
00:05:01.840 instead of an equal partnership where you're both putting in 100%.
00:05:06.320 So what's the practical advice?
00:05:08.620 I mean, at least to the men, you know,
00:05:10.480 maybe I could give practical advice to women,
00:05:12.280 but what would you say to the men who are stay-at-home boys,
00:05:16.880 who can't get a girlfriend?
00:05:17.840 What say you, Emily?
00:05:20.500 Get a job.
00:05:22.420 Move out.
00:05:23.320 You don't need to be online.
00:05:24.900 I don't think online is necessarily a place for men.
00:05:28.700 I think it's a very feminine thing to do.
00:05:31.220 And I just think men need to have,
00:05:33.580 I mean, this is like a rabbit hole.
00:05:36.200 Because obviously, yeah, we've neglected men,
00:05:38.380 which some people can agree with, some people don't.
00:05:41.340 But I just think, yeah, it's a big thing.
00:05:42.780 It's going to be where they're raised,
00:05:44.260 what they're raised by,
00:05:45.080 what religion,
00:05:46.580 what culture,
00:05:47.420 what they're around.
00:05:48.140 I mean, there's so many factors to it.
00:05:49.700 There's literally no black and white answer.
00:05:51.300 And if there was,
00:05:51.920 we'd already have it figured out by now.
00:05:54.180 But obviously,
00:05:54.920 there is going to be some aspect of embracing normal,
00:05:58.080 traditional gender roles.
00:05:59.540 So it's like, yeah,
00:06:00.080 I think maybe if men were out working and not on TikTok,
00:06:03.620 things would be a little bit better.
00:06:04.980 But I don't know.
00:06:05.600 I don't have a definite answer for any of these things.
00:06:07.440 It's also culture.
00:06:08.200 Things have changed.
00:06:08.980 Also, it's so expensive out here.
00:06:11.200 Most men are like,
00:06:12.000 it would be insane to be like,
00:06:13.140 how am I going to be a provider?
00:06:14.320 You have to make millions.
00:06:15.360 And you still feel like you're at the poverty line out here.
00:06:17.760 So what do you say?
00:06:18.620 You say things have changed.
00:06:19.740 That's totally true.
00:06:20.660 I haven't dated since before dating apps existed,
00:06:23.580 actually,
00:06:23.900 because I married my high school sweetheart.
00:06:26.120 And so I just missed it.
00:06:28.200 And I didn't have to deal with a lot of modern dating,
00:06:30.260 even in my single years.
00:06:31.960 So what do you do?
00:06:34.200 Like, you know,
00:06:34.980 if you go out on a date with a guy,
00:06:37.380 you say things have changed.
00:06:38.700 It's hard out there.
00:06:39.340 You got to be a zillionaire to get a wife.
00:06:42.260 First date, does the guy pay?
00:06:44.460 Yes.
00:06:45.000 Yeah.
00:06:45.920 100%.
00:06:46.240 Every date.
00:06:47.260 Yes.
00:06:47.760 Every date.
00:06:48.280 Okay.
00:06:48.660 Does the guy open the door for the girl?
00:06:51.440 Hopefully.
00:06:52.160 Yeah.
00:06:53.000 Does the guy expect any improper behavior
00:06:57.600 that really should only exist between a husband and a wife?
00:07:00.120 No, of course.
00:07:00.880 It's out here.
00:07:01.900 Yeah.
00:07:02.220 It shouldn't.
00:07:02.700 Hold on.
00:07:02.960 Wait, is that of course, yes,
00:07:03.980 or of course, no?
00:07:04.520 They shouldn't.
00:07:05.060 Of course, yes.
00:07:06.280 They do expect it.
00:07:07.440 Is that good?
00:07:08.200 Should they expect it or they should not?
00:07:11.200 Whatever.
00:07:12.060 I mean, I don't,
00:07:12.760 I'm not going to demonize them.
00:07:14.400 It's what most people do.
00:07:17.000 So it is what it is.
00:07:18.520 But do you think,
00:07:19.300 I guess that's kind of getting to the point here,
00:07:21.920 I think.
00:07:22.400 Because if the critique from the women
00:07:25.380 is these men aren't acting like men
00:07:27.240 and they're not being chivalrous
00:07:28.520 and they're not, you know,
00:07:29.540 treating me like the sweet angel that I am.
00:07:31.700 And then the critique from the men is,
00:07:33.240 well, these girls are not behaving
00:07:35.540 like dignified, modest women.
00:07:37.060 They're on OnlyFans
00:07:37.900 and they're, you know,
00:07:38.800 promiscuous or whatever.
00:07:39.980 You can see how both sides got to that place.
00:07:42.760 But then don't we need to raise the expectations
00:07:44.600 and say, no, ladies, be modest.
00:07:46.900 Men, don't be Casanovas.
00:07:49.540 Yeah, you got to raise it on both ends, though,
00:07:51.080 which is very difficult
00:07:51.900 because you also have to get women and men
00:07:53.800 to both admit that they were slightly wrong,
00:07:56.240 which no one wants to do
00:07:57.220 because right now all we do
00:07:58.180 is pin each other against each other.
00:07:59.660 Oh, no, all the women,
00:08:00.840 they're all on OnlyFans
00:08:01.840 and they're all hoeing it out constantly.
00:08:03.740 Oh, all the men,
00:08:04.540 they're just, you know,
00:08:05.840 feminine TikTokers.
00:08:07.120 Like, you got to get to a middle ground.
00:08:08.740 Like, yeah, is it great for every woman out here
00:08:10.820 to be on OnlyFans?
00:08:12.400 No, it's a little crazy
00:08:13.380 because like, look,
00:08:14.220 it is kind of sex work.
00:08:15.480 It's kind of prostitute.
00:08:16.600 Oh, it absolutely is.
00:08:17.620 I would say more than kind of.
00:08:18.560 It is 100% prostitution.
00:08:21.540 Yeah, but also when you have all these men
00:08:23.640 that just go through women
00:08:24.860 because they have unlimited options
00:08:26.060 and this is what most girls are
00:08:27.300 and they're like, yeah, yeah, I want a good girl.
00:08:28.820 But then they say they want a good girl,
00:08:30.020 then they meet the good girl
00:08:30.960 and they cheat on them anyway.
00:08:32.040 So it's just like,
00:08:32.700 it's a very difficult thing
00:08:34.180 that's going to take a long time
00:08:35.180 to try to figure out, honestly.
00:08:36.760 Oh, yeah, so what do we aim at?
00:08:38.340 I guess because there is something
00:08:39.760 that's been delightful to me
00:08:41.180 that's cropped up
00:08:41.860 because I'm a little more,
00:08:43.980 not totally libertarian,
00:08:45.220 you know, I'm a little more traditionalist.
00:08:46.660 I go to the traditional Latin mass.
00:08:48.260 So when this phrase trad life popped up,
00:08:50.340 I thought, let's go, baby.
00:08:51.640 I'm like the hipster of the trad life.
00:08:53.540 You know, I've been doing it
00:08:54.120 since before it was cool.
00:08:55.700 But this creates caricatures.
00:08:59.020 This creates, you know,
00:09:00.280 some people, they take it a little too far.
00:09:03.060 I sometimes tell women
00:09:04.720 that if they want to date
00:09:05.700 at the traditional Latin mass,
00:09:07.280 the odds are good,
00:09:08.020 but the goods are odd.
00:09:09.120 You know, if they're a little bit,
00:09:10.380 a little weird out there.
00:09:11.600 So, Emily, you went viral
00:09:13.800 for critiquing the trad life.
00:09:16.140 I'm sorry.
00:09:16.960 I hate to call out my own party,
00:09:18.920 but the young girls on the right
00:09:20.880 promoting this like trad wife bullshit.
00:09:23.820 I just want to make sourdough
00:09:25.180 for my husband.
00:09:26.040 That's great.
00:09:26.740 I'm all for it.
00:09:27.420 I promote traditional values.
00:09:28.860 I understand.
00:09:29.940 I have been working
00:09:30.900 since I was very young.
00:09:32.140 I don't really plan
00:09:32.940 on stopping working.
00:09:34.480 I suggest you find a hobby
00:09:36.320 that makes you money.
00:09:38.540 But you guys, guess what?
00:09:39.560 Guess what, baby girl?
00:09:40.700 That lifestyle working out?
00:09:42.060 A man, a provider,
00:09:43.120 you just get to sit at home
00:09:43.960 and bake bread every day?
00:09:45.180 Slim to none.
00:09:46.740 I would say none
00:09:47.780 that that's going to work out for you
00:09:49.440 or quite literally anyone you know.
00:09:51.460 You're actually setting yourself up
00:09:53.040 for failure
00:09:53.680 because it could not be easier
00:09:55.600 if that's what you're going to pursue
00:09:56.880 to be trapped by a man.
00:09:59.080 Okay?
00:09:59.620 Also, let's bring some other things
00:10:01.600 to the table besides sourdough.
00:10:03.760 Let's, let's,
00:10:04.440 guys want to be mentally stimulated
00:10:06.460 as well as physical.
00:10:08.260 Okay?
00:10:08.580 But I'm just like,
00:10:09.680 please,
00:10:10.100 you guys are too young
00:10:11.140 to be promoting this.
00:10:12.360 And also,
00:10:12.920 by the way,
00:10:13.440 it's cringe.
00:10:14.580 You guys are cringe, okay?
00:10:16.300 Okay, so Emily says
00:10:17.300 trad life is BS.
00:10:18.440 Savannah,
00:10:19.020 what say you?
00:10:20.240 So I actually don't like
00:10:21.480 the buzzword trad wife
00:10:22.660 because, again,
00:10:23.440 I think it's a,
00:10:23.980 I think it's a buzzword in culture
00:10:25.620 and there's a lot of things
00:10:26.520 tied to it.
00:10:27.640 But I would have to disagree.
00:10:28.400 When I was a kid,
00:10:29.060 we just called them wives.
00:10:30.540 Yeah, that's exactly
00:10:31.980 what we do.
00:10:33.160 Yeah, and now,
00:10:33.640 you know,
00:10:34.580 I would say stay-at-home wife
00:10:36.360 would probably be
00:10:37.160 the proper term for it.
00:10:38.840 But, you know,
00:10:39.280 I would have to disagree.
00:10:40.440 I think that
00:10:41.300 there's a very narrow perspective
00:10:43.840 that when you are a wife
00:10:45.240 who doesn't make her own income
00:10:46.380 and the man is providing
00:10:47.240 that you are trapped by a man.
00:10:49.080 I mean,
00:10:49.380 I will post things
00:10:50.260 about my husband
00:10:50.940 providing for me
00:10:51.780 and they're like,
00:10:52.440 wait,
00:10:52.640 so he leaves you in 20 years
00:10:53.880 and goes and finds a younger girl
00:10:55.220 and leaves you
00:10:56.280 with absolutely nothing.
00:10:57.500 And the truth of the matter
00:10:58.520 is that doesn't really happen,
00:11:00.060 right?
00:11:00.220 Like 70 to 80% of divorces
00:11:03.320 are filed by women
00:11:04.580 who were unhappy
00:11:05.780 or just bored.
00:11:07.040 It really doesn't happen
00:11:07.960 where the man just leaves you
00:11:09.500 with absolutely nothing.
00:11:10.780 I think, too,
00:11:11.840 like my marriage personally,
00:11:13.660 Christ is at the center
00:11:14.480 of our marriage.
00:11:15.620 And if you don't have
00:11:16.700 that foundation,
00:11:17.580 then of course
00:11:18.080 it's going to fall apart.
00:11:18.940 Of course there's going
00:11:19.520 to be infidelity.
00:11:20.400 Of course you're going
00:11:21.320 to be looking elsewhere
00:11:22.180 because you don't have
00:11:24.200 that foundation.
00:11:25.100 And couples that pray together
00:11:26.300 stay together.
00:11:26.860 Like we pray every single night
00:11:28.900 and Christ is at the center
00:11:30.560 and we're going
00:11:31.100 to church together.
00:11:31.800 And we did that
00:11:32.620 from the beginning
00:11:33.520 of our relationship
00:11:34.720 all the way up until now.
00:11:36.580 So I think bringing Christ
00:11:38.100 back into the marriage
00:11:39.100 is really important.
00:11:40.080 And of course,
00:11:40.540 that's where the traditional
00:11:41.380 roles come in.
00:11:43.040 I believe that when you
00:11:44.500 are going 50-50,
00:11:45.820 which is like this new
00:11:46.700 progressive marriage,
00:11:48.260 that it causes
00:11:48.980 a lot of competition
00:11:49.920 and there's actually
00:11:50.680 not any contribution
00:11:51.700 that the man and the woman
00:11:53.540 are just competing
00:11:54.220 with each other
00:11:54.760 because they're both
00:11:55.560 waking up at 6 a.m.
00:11:56.700 They're rushing
00:11:57.480 to get ready.
00:11:58.140 They're going
00:11:58.460 to their 9-to-5.
00:11:59.380 They come home.
00:12:00.020 They're absolutely exhausted.
00:12:01.520 They're splitting the chores.
00:12:03.140 They eat a quick dinner,
00:12:04.240 scroll on their phones,
00:12:05.080 go to bed,
00:12:05.520 repeat the same cycle
00:12:06.280 over and over again.
00:12:07.580 And it's not working out.
00:12:08.980 And you've seen
00:12:09.420 the divorce rates go up
00:12:10.580 and you've seen
00:12:10.920 the birth rates plummet.
00:12:12.440 And so bringing tradition
00:12:13.580 back in,
00:12:14.640 and I'm not saying
00:12:15.300 we all have to be
00:12:16.060 in 1950s gowns
00:12:18.420 and cooking everything
00:12:19.420 from scratch.
00:12:20.300 Wouldn't be the worst idea,
00:12:21.500 but okay, sure,
00:12:22.380 you don't have to.
00:12:23.120 No, it would be great.
00:12:24.180 It would be great.
00:12:24.840 But I think that
00:12:26.280 bringing back the idea
00:12:28.400 of the husband
00:12:29.240 being the head
00:12:29.920 of the household
00:12:30.580 and the woman
00:12:31.480 being his help
00:12:32.280 like it was in the Bible,
00:12:34.080 like it literally says
00:12:34.880 in the Bible,
00:12:35.760 would help a lot
00:12:36.700 of marriages.
00:12:38.060 Emily, does that
00:12:38.840 do anything for you?
00:12:40.160 No, I stand on
00:12:41.060 everything I said.
00:12:42.600 You know what's the funniest
00:12:43.660 part about my video was?
00:12:45.500 I mean, that's literally
00:12:46.200 just common sense.
00:12:47.120 You can't even argue
00:12:47.960 with any of it.
00:12:48.760 There's statistical data
00:12:49.800 on my side
00:12:50.440 for every single thing
00:12:51.320 I said,
00:12:52.220 especially if you're
00:12:53.280 getting married super young,
00:12:54.800 the odds of that
00:12:56.180 working out.
00:12:56.780 The difference is I pray
00:12:57.720 it does work out
00:12:58.380 for everyone,
00:12:59.100 but also I'm just looking
00:12:59.920 at things from a perspective.
00:13:01.160 But it's funny
00:13:01.520 because I was like,
00:13:02.080 I must have triggered
00:13:02.700 something in all these
00:13:03.500 housewives because
00:13:04.180 I was like,
00:13:05.260 how happy are you guys
00:13:06.320 that you flood
00:13:07.060 my comment sections
00:13:08.440 wishing horrible things
00:13:10.020 to happen on me?
00:13:10.840 And I'm like,
00:13:11.160 so you're not really
00:13:11.620 proving my point
00:13:12.320 that I think any of you
00:13:13.300 are happy.
00:13:14.300 And yes,
00:13:14.600 not even just the fact
00:13:15.560 of divorce.
00:13:16.200 Divorce is what?
00:13:16.760 Probably 50%
00:13:17.680 of this country,
00:13:18.320 potentially more.
00:13:19.120 It's a little less,
00:13:19.960 but it's high.
00:13:21.180 Yeah, it's high.
00:13:22.160 People lose their jobs.
00:13:23.440 People die.
00:13:24.380 People get sick.
00:13:25.360 There's a lot of factors
00:13:26.300 to that.
00:13:26.940 It's also like,
00:13:27.520 I don't understand
00:13:28.060 these women
00:13:28.900 who claim to be so happy
00:13:30.300 that are telling me
00:13:31.220 to kill myself online
00:13:32.200 because I have an opinion,
00:13:32.980 which is what I do
00:13:33.580 for a living.
00:13:34.500 I'm like,
00:13:34.920 I promote women
00:13:35.600 can have it all.
00:13:36.600 I work full time.
00:13:37.640 I also cook.
00:13:38.580 I also clean.
00:13:39.580 I do everything.
00:13:40.680 It's not something
00:13:41.300 to be put down,
00:13:42.380 which is the problem
00:13:43.060 with these trad wives
00:13:44.320 are hating on women
00:13:45.400 that work.
00:13:45.940 And it's like,
00:13:46.420 we're not forcing you
00:13:47.180 to work.
00:13:47.800 I like working.
00:13:48.860 It makes me happy.
00:13:50.420 So I'm like,
00:13:51.060 do you?
00:13:52.120 But this pressing
00:13:53.440 this life on everyone,
00:13:54.680 it's not for everyone.
00:13:55.800 And it's also not going
00:13:56.620 to work out for everyone.
00:13:57.640 And that's just life.
00:13:58.560 Yes, Savannah.
00:13:59.160 Why are you trying
00:13:59.700 to force your views
00:14:00.440 on Emily, huh?
00:14:02.620 I don't force my views
00:14:03.920 on anyone.
00:14:04.440 Listen,
00:14:04.780 all of my girlfriends
00:14:05.620 have jobs
00:14:06.300 or they're in university.
00:14:07.480 And we get along
00:14:08.540 and they respect my lifestyle
00:14:09.800 and I respect their lifestyle.
00:14:11.560 Do I think women
00:14:12.720 with children
00:14:13.440 who are married
00:14:14.020 are happier?
00:14:14.900 Yes,
00:14:15.460 there are statistics
00:14:16.140 that show that.
00:14:17.500 But we live in a world
00:14:18.600 where I'm not going
00:14:19.380 to tell women
00:14:19.900 what to do.
00:14:20.520 They can go to work.
00:14:21.340 They can do whatever
00:14:21.820 they want.
00:14:22.200 They can be on OnlyFans.
00:14:23.860 But do I think
00:14:24.780 that they're happier
00:14:25.600 when they have a band
00:14:26.600 providing for them
00:14:27.300 and they have children?
00:14:28.240 Yes,
00:14:28.520 because it's just
00:14:29.240 our primal nature.
00:14:30.340 But then you said
00:14:30.940 I was bitter.
00:14:31.560 How am I bitter?
00:14:32.220 Because I work,
00:14:32.980 I cook,
00:14:33.340 I clean,
00:14:33.800 and my man fully
00:14:34.600 takes care of me
00:14:35.320 and I have my own money
00:14:36.160 to take care of myself.
00:14:37.080 Because there would be
00:14:39.400 no reason to go online
00:14:40.900 and bash women
00:14:41.740 who do have that lifestyle
00:14:43.140 unless you were bitter
00:14:44.640 about it.
00:14:45.260 It doesn't make sense
00:14:46.400 to regardless.
00:14:46.780 My job is to give
00:14:48.080 opinions for a living.
00:14:49.760 It's an opinion.
00:14:50.800 If you were truly happy,
00:14:52.560 you wouldn't be so triggered.
00:14:54.000 But you took it
00:14:54.780 extremely personal.
00:14:56.000 I'm like,
00:14:56.140 sweetie,
00:14:56.320 I'm not talking to you.
00:14:57.080 It's an opinion.
00:14:57.660 I give them for a living.
00:14:58.460 I have a job.
00:14:59.440 But then why don't you like it
00:15:00.680 that other people
00:15:01.220 give you opinions
00:15:01.920 in your comments?
00:15:03.160 No,
00:15:03.340 it's funny
00:15:03.620 because it's like
00:15:04.040 you're clearly triggered
00:15:05.100 as if you're that happy,
00:15:06.920 you wouldn't be bothered.
00:15:08.140 And she thinks
00:15:08.680 I'm like talking about her.
00:15:09.720 I'm like,
00:15:10.100 no,
00:15:10.240 I'm talking about
00:15:10.860 all the young girls online
00:15:12.420 that are literally
00:15:13.280 promoting this
00:15:13.960 than ironically
00:15:14.540 doing it as a job
00:15:15.700 to grift and make money
00:15:17.040 as well,
00:15:17.520 which is so funny
00:15:18.280 because it all comes
00:15:19.140 for a full circle.
00:15:20.440 There is some of that.
00:15:21.420 I do agree.
00:15:22.240 I think that
00:15:23.020 from my perspective,
00:15:24.940 yeah,
00:15:25.120 encouraging girls
00:15:25.820 who are single
00:15:26.400 and who aren't married
00:15:27.640 and even if they want
00:15:28.960 that trad lifestyle,
00:15:30.220 go ahead and do something
00:15:31.520 with yourself.
00:15:32.220 In the meantime,
00:15:33.120 set yourself up
00:15:34.020 so that,
00:15:34.900 hey,
00:15:35.040 if that trad life
00:15:35.940 that you want
00:15:36.660 doesn't come to be
00:15:38.560 because right now
00:15:39.300 we do live
00:15:40.080 in especially
00:15:40.580 a very godless society,
00:15:42.420 and a lot
00:15:43.340 of traditional values
00:15:44.180 come from the Bible.
00:15:45.500 So if you're just
00:15:46.500 going to sit
00:15:47.040 and live with mom
00:15:48.700 and dad all your life
00:15:49.580 until Prince Charming
00:15:50.480 comes and saves you
00:15:51.640 and gives you
00:15:52.320 that trad life,
00:15:53.580 that may not happen.
00:15:55.080 So go ahead,
00:15:55.860 get a job,
00:15:56.560 have a plan for yourself
00:15:57.680 if it comes down to it.
00:15:59.320 But to say that
00:16:01.400 the trad life
00:16:02.660 is cringe
00:16:03.340 or anything like that,
00:16:04.720 I completely disagree.
00:16:05.980 No,
00:16:06.200 the fake trad life
00:16:07.280 that they promote online
00:16:08.420 is cringe.
00:16:09.280 People that sit at home
00:16:10.680 and are like,
00:16:11.100 I did nothing today
00:16:12.640 and I'm taken care of
00:16:13.720 and I'm happy.
00:16:14.800 Oh my god,
00:16:15.580 get a job.
00:16:16.260 Literally,
00:16:16.660 I want to be like,
00:16:17.240 get a job.
00:16:17.980 Like,
00:16:18.140 sorry,
00:16:18.440 it's cringe
00:16:19.060 and it's gross.
00:16:19.780 And it's so funny.
00:16:20.460 I'm like,
00:16:20.660 why are you out here
00:16:21.440 promoting trad life
00:16:22.540 24-7 dying on this hill
00:16:24.440 when half these chicks
00:16:25.400 aren't even married
00:16:25.960 or have kids?
00:16:26.620 I'm like,
00:16:26.940 go get those babies
00:16:28.420 popped out.
00:16:29.220 Go live that life.
00:16:30.280 You're dying
00:16:30.900 on that hill online.
00:16:32.660 I'm just calling it out.
00:16:33.740 What about this point?
00:16:34.760 So you made a point there
00:16:36.280 because I see a lot of it.
00:16:38.140 I see the criticism,
00:16:39.120 which is,
00:16:39.700 you know,
00:16:39.940 if you're a trad life influencer
00:16:41.900 and,
00:16:42.940 you know,
00:16:43.140 your life is mostly
00:16:44.440 like on camera,
00:16:45.820 it's hard for that
00:16:47.300 to be trad.
00:16:48.100 It's hard to be trad
00:16:48.920 on TikTok,
00:16:49.520 right?
00:16:49.720 You know,
00:16:49.900 trad involves,
00:16:50.820 you know,
00:16:50.980 you're kind of more focused
00:16:52.100 on the private life
00:16:52.980 and the home
00:16:53.340 and the kids
00:16:53.720 and the bread,
00:16:54.280 which is great
00:16:54.800 and it's all fabulous.
00:16:56.440 But I see there's
00:16:57.420 a little bit of a tension there.
00:16:58.680 But,
00:16:58.840 but to Savannah's point,
00:17:01.360 you know,
00:17:02.160 most divorces
00:17:03.080 are initiated by women.
00:17:04.380 So it's not that
00:17:05.580 some women aren't passed up
00:17:06.480 for the secretary.
00:17:07.420 That does happen,
00:17:08.280 but it's,
00:17:08.820 that's relatively minor.
00:17:10.160 It more seems to be
00:17:11.360 impelled by feminism
00:17:12.620 and by women's choices.
00:17:14.520 And,
00:17:15.040 you know,
00:17:16.400 on the notion
00:17:17.720 of having it all,
00:17:18.900 at a certain point,
00:17:20.700 you can't have it all.
00:17:21.580 If you're at work
00:17:22.340 eight hours a day
00:17:23.240 at the widget factory
00:17:24.120 doing the spreadsheets,
00:17:25.440 those are eight hours
00:17:26.300 that you're not going to be
00:17:27.140 with your kids
00:17:27.800 or baking bread
00:17:28.700 or,
00:17:29.120 you know,
00:17:29.420 dusting the bookshelves
00:17:30.140 or whatever it is.
00:17:30.660 So I grant that women
00:17:32.240 can have lots of different goods
00:17:34.020 in their lives.
00:17:35.140 But,
00:17:35.300 but sometimes
00:17:35.980 there is a decision
00:17:37.820 you have to make.
00:17:38.860 And I think the question
00:17:40.060 that's being raised here
00:17:40.820 by Melanie and Savannah is,
00:17:42.360 is it better,
00:17:43.440 is it more conducive
00:17:44.460 to women's happiness
00:17:45.200 to put on
00:17:47.700 the Victorian era gown
00:17:48.920 or not,
00:17:49.640 or you can wear modern clothes,
00:17:50.700 but have the kids
00:17:51.560 get married,
00:17:52.440 bake the bread,
00:17:53.240 do the house stuff?
00:17:54.460 Or is it more conducive
00:17:56.040 to women's happiness
00:17:56.780 to go out
00:17:57.920 and work at a corporation
00:17:59.120 and have a career?
00:17:59.800 My answer is do both.
00:18:02.860 But how can you do,
00:18:03.840 meaning if you're going
00:18:04.880 to do the one,
00:18:05.760 you're going to spend
00:18:06.800 just in what would be
00:18:08.140 your work day,
00:18:09.300 eight hours a day
00:18:10.120 with the kids.
00:18:11.400 Kids aren't going
00:18:11.900 to be with the nanny,
00:18:12.500 they're going to be with mama
00:18:13.200 and mama's going to be
00:18:13.960 making breakfast,
00:18:14.620 lunch, and dinner
00:18:15.140 and you're going to be
00:18:16.200 giving them piano lessons
00:18:17.140 or whatever.
00:18:17.800 That's one kind of thing.
00:18:19.300 Or you could be doing
00:18:20.380 spreadsheets at the widget factory
00:18:21.680 or whatever the job is.
00:18:23.120 But,
00:18:23.400 you know,
00:18:24.100 they're only 24 hours in a day.
00:18:25.320 At a certain point,
00:18:25.960 you're going to have,
00:18:26.720 when you have to make a decision,
00:18:28.100 am I going to spend my time
00:18:28.760 doing this or that?
00:18:30.520 Which is better?
00:18:31.940 I don't believe
00:18:32.620 in this choosing thing.
00:18:33.720 We live in a modern day society.
00:18:35.540 There's so many factors to this.
00:18:37.380 It's not just,
00:18:38.000 this whole thing of tribewives,
00:18:39.140 oh,
00:18:39.500 the corporate slave.
00:18:41.000 First of all,
00:18:41.480 I've loved most of my careers
00:18:43.200 and most of them
00:18:44.140 weren't eight hour days
00:18:45.720 Monday through Friday.
00:18:47.020 These women can have jobs
00:18:48.280 and still be at home
00:18:49.160 and still be with the children.
00:18:50.460 Also,
00:18:50.820 a lot of women
00:18:51.420 have kids
00:18:52.240 and I hate to say it,
00:18:53.140 are not fully fulfilled by that
00:18:54.640 and are like,
00:18:55.060 dude,
00:18:55.220 I need to go back to work.
00:18:56.320 I need to be around adults.
00:18:57.340 Like,
00:18:57.460 sorry,
00:18:57.640 that's a real thing.
00:18:58.300 A lot of my friends are married.
00:18:59.520 A lot of them have kids.
00:19:00.840 So it's just like,
00:19:01.540 I think this whole thing,
00:19:02.260 instead of constantly being like,
00:19:03.520 you have to pick.
00:19:04.460 Also,
00:19:04.720 a lot of these women
00:19:05.300 make content
00:19:06.440 and have full-time jobs
00:19:08.200 as they have careers.
00:19:09.240 And especially,
00:19:09.720 a lot of those women
00:19:10.380 are the top women
00:19:11.400 in right-wing media,
00:19:12.360 which is so funny
00:19:13.320 watching these young girls
00:19:14.500 hate on these women.
00:19:15.840 Meanwhile,
00:19:16.200 I'm like,
00:19:16.480 those are the women
00:19:17.080 you would die to achieve
00:19:18.200 to have that type of lifestyle.
00:19:19.440 I'm not going to sit here
00:19:20.120 and hate on,
00:19:20.780 what,
00:19:21.680 Ingram,
00:19:22.120 Kelly,
00:19:22.540 all these women,
00:19:23.300 Allie Bestucki,
00:19:23.960 all these women.
00:19:24.620 They have full-time jobs
00:19:26.000 and they also are able
00:19:27.040 to be moms
00:19:27.600 and take care of their kids.
00:19:28.600 I doubt all those women
00:19:29.880 are horrible mothers.
00:19:32.040 But that's the thing.
00:19:32.660 I'm like,
00:19:32.920 I'm not going to tell women
00:19:33.740 they have to choose.
00:19:34.920 You can do both.
00:19:35.740 You can make it work.
00:19:36.560 And the more money you have,
00:19:38.000 the more opportunities
00:19:38.840 and you're going to have
00:19:39.520 ways to help.
00:19:40.460 Maybe then I can go hire
00:19:41.540 someone to cook
00:19:42.340 or to clean
00:19:43.060 and spend more time
00:19:43.980 with my kids.
00:19:44.000 I know you can,
00:19:44.600 that's what you have to do.
00:19:45.900 And I agree,
00:19:46.880 it is kind of funny.
00:19:48.580 You know,
00:19:48.860 if you are on TV
00:19:49.860 every day for a living,
00:19:51.440 by definition,
00:19:52.060 you're not living
00:19:52.700 the most traditional lifestyle.
00:19:53.980 You know,
00:19:54.180 there are a lot of perks to it
00:19:55.480 and a lot of good things.
00:19:56.980 But yes,
00:19:57.340 of course,
00:19:57.640 I totally grant that.
00:19:58.780 But I think you're evading
00:20:00.240 the question
00:20:00.680 because the point
00:20:02.060 you've just made is,
00:20:02.720 look,
00:20:02.840 I can hire a nanny,
00:20:03.600 I can hire a chef,
00:20:04.340 I can take the money.
00:20:05.080 Yeah,
00:20:05.360 I know,
00:20:05.900 I know,
00:20:06.200 that's one kind of life.
00:20:07.940 But when you say
00:20:09.500 you can have it all,
00:20:10.700 that it violates
00:20:11.720 Aristotle's law
00:20:12.760 of non-contradiction
00:20:13.660 because the two choices
00:20:15.460 I'm presenting,
00:20:16.040 two ways of life are
00:20:16.920 that I'm presenting at least,
00:20:18.120 are you're at home.
00:20:20.260 You don't have a job.
00:20:21.820 You have a lot of jobs,
00:20:22.720 but you don't have a career.
00:20:23.660 You have,
00:20:23.860 your life is in the private sphere.
00:20:25.980 The other version is
00:20:27.080 your life is in the public sphere,
00:20:28.360 but you get to do a lot of fun
00:20:29.420 like wife,
00:20:30.060 mom stuff too.
00:20:31.440 And I'm,
00:20:31.760 but I'm saying
00:20:32.220 those are separate things.
00:20:33.960 Savannah or Melanie,
00:20:35.120 do you have thoughts
00:20:36.020 on if one is better
00:20:37.500 than the other
00:20:38.000 or are we all just going to be
00:20:39.100 like modern people
00:20:39.800 and not make a decision?
00:20:41.120 I think if you're actually
00:20:42.040 looking at children
00:20:43.140 and upbringing
00:20:43.760 and obviously,
00:20:45.140 I,
00:20:45.440 my mom was a,
00:20:46.400 a trad wife,
00:20:47.680 she still is.
00:20:48.600 She raised my brothers and I,
00:20:50.260 she stayed at home
00:20:51.180 and,
00:20:51.780 and homeschooled us
00:20:53.380 while my dad provided
00:20:54.320 for the family.
00:20:55.680 And there's no way
00:20:57.420 that she could have had
00:20:58.420 a full-time job
00:20:59.340 and homeschool us
00:21:00.860 and take care of the home
00:21:02.220 and do all the cooking
00:21:03.780 and all of that stuff.
00:21:05.060 So for that,
00:21:05.780 I'm very grateful
00:21:06.700 because especially
00:21:07.460 when you get on the subject
00:21:08.740 of public schools
00:21:09.720 in general,
00:21:10.500 they're indoctrination systems.
00:21:12.620 And also,
00:21:13.600 it's hard for kids
00:21:14.540 to really be kids
00:21:15.980 when they're at such
00:21:16.760 a young age
00:21:17.540 having their 9 to 5
00:21:19.600 already
00:21:20.140 in the school system.
00:21:22.320 So the fact that,
00:21:23.860 that my mom
00:21:24.900 dedicated her time
00:21:26.740 into homeschooling
00:21:28.100 my brothers and I,
00:21:28.720 I'm so grateful for that.
00:21:30.040 And so,
00:21:31.000 not to say that
00:21:31.660 every kid that's in public school
00:21:33.100 doesn't have a good mom
00:21:34.200 and all that,
00:21:35.060 but I think
00:21:36.180 in an ideal scenario
00:21:37.520 for children,
00:21:39.460 a mom would stay home
00:21:40.740 and raise them.
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00:22:47.340 My mom worked from home.
00:22:49.500 She was a settlement consultant,
00:22:51.020 so she only worked
00:22:51.800 when she had a case
00:22:52.660 come to her.
00:22:53.300 But she sacrificed
00:22:55.440 a lot of work
00:22:56.400 when she had us as kids
00:22:57.640 and she was able
00:22:58.360 to basically be
00:22:59.240 a stay-at-home mom
00:23:00.040 who took maybe
00:23:01.080 like two conference calls
00:23:02.520 a month.
00:23:03.380 So she could have made
00:23:04.640 a lot more money
00:23:05.560 than she did,
00:23:06.160 but she sacrificed that
00:23:07.140 to raise us as kids.
00:23:08.820 So I don't think
00:23:09.660 that you can have it all
00:23:11.040 because having it all
00:23:12.260 would be her
00:23:13.040 making as much money
00:23:14.460 as she can with work,
00:23:15.520 being very successful
00:23:16.420 in her career,
00:23:17.200 and also having
00:23:18.380 successful children.
00:23:20.040 But you have to sacrifice.
00:23:20.600 You can't bi-locate.
00:23:21.540 You can't be in two places
00:23:22.680 simultaneously.
00:23:23.100 Yeah, no.
00:23:24.160 No, and I mean,
00:23:25.020 she took us to school
00:23:26.420 every day.
00:23:26.760 She picked us up.
00:23:27.460 She was at all of our games.
00:23:28.600 She was at all of our events.
00:23:29.880 And I would not trade
00:23:30.820 that for the world.
00:23:32.160 And that was a good example
00:23:32.980 to me because when I have kids,
00:23:34.460 I want to be at everything.
00:23:36.040 I want to watch them grow up.
00:23:37.820 I don't want somebody else
00:23:38.880 raising my children
00:23:39.640 or even my parents
00:23:41.460 raising my children
00:23:42.260 because they have to watch them.
00:23:43.580 So I think I had
00:23:44.860 a great example of that
00:23:45.720 growing up.
00:23:46.340 Even my mom would tell you
00:23:47.760 like, no,
00:23:48.780 I had to sacrifice
00:23:49.800 a lot of money
00:23:50.820 and a lot of my career
00:23:52.460 to raise children,
00:23:53.420 but she'll tell you
00:23:53.940 it was 100% worth it.
00:23:55.260 You know, my wife,
00:23:56.180 she's done both.
00:23:57.300 Sweet little Elisa
00:23:57.900 is a real,
00:23:58.500 she's a real trad wife.
00:23:59.500 She bakes the bread.
00:24:00.220 She makes the pasta.
00:24:01.300 She does all the stuff,
00:24:02.820 you know,
00:24:02.980 takes the kids out.
00:24:03.840 But she also,
00:24:04.740 she has a PhD.
00:24:05.920 She's had a career.
00:24:07.600 She has a doctorate.
00:24:09.040 I have an honorary doctorate.
00:24:10.080 I'm just the arm candy, really.
00:24:11.420 But she's done that
00:24:12.260 and she quit her job.
00:24:13.480 And she quit her job
00:24:14.320 because we've been
00:24:15.760 spitting out enough kids
00:24:16.800 that it got to the point
00:24:18.100 where she was going to have to make
00:24:19.260 real choices.
00:24:20.440 Hire,
00:24:21.280 more child care,
00:24:22.420 spend less time with the kids,
00:24:23.940 or quit the job.
00:24:26.160 But it finally had come down to it
00:24:28.180 and you have to make a choice.
00:24:29.360 And she chose
00:24:30.400 the trad life,
00:24:31.840 the trad wife life.
00:24:32.860 But she did have
00:24:34.460 Emily's caveat there,
00:24:36.000 which is that
00:24:36.840 a lot of these moms
00:24:38.420 who decide,
00:24:39.260 okay,
00:24:39.340 I'm going to stay home,
00:24:40.000 I want to be with the kids more,
00:24:40.880 I don't want to,
00:24:41.560 they still want some money
00:24:43.200 or they still want some kind
00:24:44.120 of outside intellectual activity.
00:24:46.540 So they'll make content.
00:24:48.620 You know,
00:24:48.840 they'll like make,
00:24:49.660 they'll post on Instagram.
00:24:51.040 And so it is this little bit
00:24:52.880 of a kind of
00:24:53.760 trying to have it all
00:24:55.220 sort of thing.
00:24:55.980 But my question,
00:24:56.940 I guess maybe I'm more authoritarian
00:24:58.040 than anyone on the panel.
00:24:59.200 I don't know.
00:24:59.400 I haven't heard you weigh in
00:25:00.220 on this, Melanie.
00:25:00.980 But I do not have the view,
00:25:02.920 as you suggested, Savannah,
00:25:04.460 that, you know,
00:25:05.120 look, a woman,
00:25:05.800 if she wants to do
00:25:06.400 whatever she wants,
00:25:07.040 that's fine.
00:25:07.440 She can go on OnlyFans.
00:25:08.900 I don't know.
00:25:09.780 I don't,
00:25:10.200 it should not,
00:25:10.700 that OnlyFans should be banned.
00:25:12.700 The operators should be arrested.
00:25:14.040 I agree.
00:25:14.460 And shipped off to St. Helena,
00:25:16.260 you know.
00:25:16.700 So I think we should put
00:25:17.960 lots of limits
00:25:18.660 on all this stuff.
00:25:19.700 And the question that I have is,
00:25:22.120 is we're trying to bridge
00:25:23.220 the divide between the sexes
00:25:25.100 so that we can,
00:25:25.780 people can have good lives.
00:25:29.120 What is best for these people?
00:25:31.700 We have no problem saying
00:25:33.100 that it is better for the boy
00:25:35.100 to get out of his mother's basement.
00:25:36.480 It is better for the boy
00:25:37.500 to go out,
00:25:38.460 get a job,
00:25:39.220 not be a stay-at-home son
00:25:40.760 or whatever.
00:25:41.460 You know,
00:25:41.640 it's better for him.
00:25:42.620 He should,
00:25:43.140 he should,
00:25:43.540 he should.
00:25:44.580 But then when it comes to women,
00:25:45.700 we say,
00:25:46.180 well,
00:25:46.540 they can do whatever they want.
00:25:47.800 Maybe this is better,
00:25:48.480 but maybe it's not.
00:25:49.180 Maybe this,
00:25:49.800 but I want,
00:25:50.320 I want shoulds.
00:25:51.420 I want you to tell women
00:25:52.820 what to do.
00:25:54.440 What is best for the women?
00:25:55.740 Emily?
00:25:55.940 I think men should go out and work.
00:25:59.280 I think women should go out and work.
00:25:59.900 I think women should also educate themselves.
00:26:03.620 I think they should find a job
00:26:04.820 that makes them happy.
00:26:06.340 You don't have,
00:26:06.780 we don't all have to pretend
00:26:07.580 like every job is slave labor.
00:26:08.940 I've had many careers.
00:26:10.240 I've been happy in all of them.
00:26:11.480 I think women should have something
00:26:13.320 that's theirs on their own.
00:26:15.440 I also think it gives you more options.
00:26:17.900 It makes you,
00:26:19.220 in my opinion,
00:26:20.240 because I give those for a living,
00:26:21.280 more valuable and better off.
00:26:24.140 And when they find someone,
00:26:25.400 if they choose to become a stay-at-home,
00:26:28.140 trad wife,
00:26:28.860 whatever BS they call it online now,
00:26:31.000 then that's fantastic.
00:26:32.060 If they want to have hobbies,
00:26:33.320 if they want to work a little,
00:26:34.340 if they want to quit their jobs,
00:26:35.640 whatever's best for them
00:26:36.640 that makes them happy.
00:26:37.420 And the children,
00:26:38.080 that's great.
00:26:38.620 I support all that.
00:26:39.380 Okay.
00:26:39.660 Now, so then the question,
00:26:40.660 of course,
00:26:40.940 this begs the question,
00:26:41.700 which is what makes people happy,
00:26:43.320 which is where we stay.
00:26:43.880 What is actually conducive to happiness?
00:26:45.700 Modernity tells you a lot of things
00:26:46.800 are going to make you happy
00:26:47.440 and they don't.
00:26:48.500 But then I see in your answer,
00:26:50.180 Emily,
00:26:50.440 a lot of,
00:26:51.260 they should have choice.
00:26:52.300 They should have something
00:26:52.980 on their own,
00:26:53.900 something independent.
00:26:54.940 But I am skeptical of that.
00:26:56.960 Okay.
00:26:57.420 I don't have a lot of choices.
00:26:59.140 I mean,
00:26:59.360 I do,
00:26:59.840 and I get to do whatever I want.
00:27:00.660 I don't even have a real job.
00:27:01.520 You know,
00:27:01.600 I just do,
00:27:01.940 this is my job.
00:27:02.560 Is this even a job?
00:27:03.660 But I,
00:27:04.640 but I don't have a lot of choices.
00:27:06.720 I am married.
00:27:07.680 I got to be home
00:27:08.320 at a certain time.
00:27:09.400 Most nights,
00:27:10.120 I got to do stuff.
00:27:11.920 I got,
00:27:12.460 I've got to make some money
00:27:13.600 because I've got to pay
00:27:14.460 certain bills.
00:27:15.600 I don't accept divorce
00:27:17.540 under any circumstances.
00:27:18.720 I don't have a prenuptial agreement.
00:27:21.160 My wife could take me
00:27:22.040 to the cleaners
00:27:22.560 if she wanted to.
00:27:24.020 You know,
00:27:24.520 it is,
00:27:25.160 I am,
00:27:25.520 I don't have choice.
00:27:26.860 I don't have things
00:27:27.780 that are really independent
00:27:28.680 from my wife.
00:27:29.580 We don't,
00:27:30.000 we don't have separate
00:27:31.160 personal bank accounts
00:27:33.100 or anything.
00:27:33.440 We don't have separate
00:27:34.240 anything really.
00:27:35.120 We sleep in the same bed.
00:27:36.500 So is,
00:27:37.060 my question then is,
00:27:38.120 is it really good?
00:27:39.140 I know modernity says
00:27:40.060 it's good to be independent
00:27:40.940 and have choices
00:27:41.600 and endless options
00:27:42.600 or whatever.
00:27:43.580 Does that really make you happy?
00:27:44.840 Melanie?
00:27:46.060 I honestly don't even like
00:27:47.800 the phrase
00:27:48.300 do what makes you happy.
00:27:49.600 I think you need a foundation
00:27:50.760 and that foundation
00:27:51.900 is the Bible
00:27:53.380 instead of subjective morality.
00:27:55.060 We're not always going to be,
00:27:56.360 have the opportunity
00:27:56.920 to do what makes us happy
00:27:58.160 because what makes us happy
00:27:59.760 at all times
00:28:00.360 isn't necessarily right.
00:28:01.860 We need to do the right thing.
00:28:03.180 And the Bible
00:28:04.120 has a strong foundation
00:28:06.160 for how men should behave,
00:28:08.500 what men should do
00:28:09.280 and women.
00:28:10.360 So we can't just live life
00:28:13.040 based on you do you.
00:28:14.540 Let's have this subjective morality
00:28:16.080 because things just go crazy.
00:28:18.300 You got pride parades.
00:28:19.320 You got kids being mutilated.
00:28:21.600 Like things just spiral
00:28:22.580 out of control.
00:28:23.560 So do what's right.
00:28:24.840 Follow the Bible.
00:28:26.180 That's okay.
00:28:27.060 That's a pretty straight answer.
00:28:28.220 So Emily's answer is
00:28:29.600 do the things that make you happy
00:28:31.300 as you know,
00:28:32.140 follow your bliss.
00:28:33.320 Yours is do follow the Bible
00:28:35.300 even if you,
00:28:35.960 even if you think
00:28:36.600 it might not make you happy.
00:28:37.520 It will in the long run.
00:28:39.020 Savannah,
00:28:40.000 what should women do?
00:28:41.080 I think the word choice
00:28:44.320 is very over glorified
00:28:45.820 in our society.
00:28:46.880 Like choice is so sexy.
00:28:48.340 We love having choice.
00:28:50.060 I mean,
00:28:50.800 I would agree with you,
00:28:51.700 Michael.
00:28:52.140 You know,
00:28:52.540 in my marriage,
00:28:53.360 I don't leave,
00:28:54.100 I would not leave my husband
00:28:55.040 under any circumstance.
00:28:55.940 We follow the Bible.
00:28:57.160 We're loyal to each other.
00:28:58.380 He's the head of the household.
00:28:59.400 So he makes the decisions
00:29:00.660 in our family.
00:29:01.540 And I'm actually happier that way.
00:29:03.320 I mean,
00:29:03.500 I'm very young.
00:29:04.500 I got married at 18,
00:29:05.800 but before then
00:29:06.520 I was given all these choices
00:29:07.660 like,
00:29:07.980 oh,
00:29:08.080 well,
00:29:08.180 you could move here
00:29:09.140 and go get a degree here.
00:29:10.280 Go get a job here.
00:29:11.560 And that was overwhelming.
00:29:13.420 That was actually more depressing
00:29:15.020 than living in a marriage
00:29:16.480 that is a unit
00:29:18.300 and where you,
00:29:19.680 in which you don't have
00:29:20.680 a ton of choices
00:29:21.260 and you don't have
00:29:21.920 a ton of freedom,
00:29:22.860 quote unquote.
00:29:23.920 And so I,
00:29:25.380 if you watch my content,
00:29:26.600 you know that I usually say
00:29:27.580 you should do this.
00:29:29.100 You ought to do this
00:29:30.240 because statistically speaking,
00:29:32.480 married women with children
00:29:33.380 are happier.
00:29:34.820 But again,
00:29:35.520 I'm going to have to agree
00:29:36.300 with Melanie too
00:29:36.980 that the Bible
00:29:37.640 is the foundation
00:29:38.360 and Christ is the foundation
00:29:39.480 will make you want
00:29:41.240 to do things
00:29:42.100 that are inherently traditional
00:29:44.280 and that are biblical.
00:29:46.060 So I would say
00:29:46.820 that choice
00:29:47.620 has just gotten
00:29:48.460 so out of hand
00:29:49.480 and we ought to go back
00:29:51.260 to biblical principles.
00:29:52.920 All right.
00:29:53.520 Now,
00:29:53.780 it seems like
00:29:54.320 the divide here
00:29:55.080 is you got
00:29:56.100 Melanie and Savannah
00:29:57.860 are like really
00:29:58.700 pro-trad life.
00:30:00.260 Emily,
00:30:00.700 you're being made out
00:30:01.820 to be the liberal feminist here,
00:30:03.700 even though you're
00:30:04.160 pretty conservative,
00:30:05.140 right?
00:30:05.260 I know,
00:30:05.780 it's funny because
00:30:06.300 everyone says
00:30:06.780 I'm like too far right,
00:30:08.680 which is like
00:30:09.120 there's no winning,
00:30:09.900 is there?
00:30:11.220 But do you sense,
00:30:12.240 do you feel
00:30:15.420 that you are
00:30:16.200 a little more
00:30:16.740 on the liberal
00:30:17.280 or feminist side
00:30:18.140 compared to
00:30:19.160 some of the women
00:30:19.860 who are pushing
00:30:20.300 the trad life?
00:30:22.540 I mean,
00:30:22.960 textbook definition feminism
00:30:24.540 of wanting men and women
00:30:26.060 to have like equal rights,
00:30:27.420 yeah,
00:30:27.780 like I would not deny that,
00:30:29.300 of course.
00:30:30.040 You would call yourself
00:30:30.660 a feminist
00:30:31.100 because I don't think,
00:30:32.220 I know people always say
00:30:32.980 feminism means
00:30:33.980 you want men and women
00:30:34.760 to have equal rights.
00:30:35.460 I think that's BS.
00:30:36.600 I think it's an ideology.
00:30:37.860 Well, that's what it's supposed
00:30:38.080 to mean and what it did mean
00:30:39.320 until it got hijacked
00:30:40.460 by everything.
00:30:41.120 Now, if you say
00:30:41.700 you're a feminist,
00:30:42.440 everyone's calling you
00:30:43.180 a liberal
00:30:43.580 and all these different things.
00:30:45.460 But I mean,
00:30:46.080 actually,
00:30:46.820 sorry to interrupt,
00:30:47.440 but I mean,
00:30:48.080 I'd go back even further.
00:30:49.780 I don't think
00:30:51.320 it ever actually meant that.
00:30:52.720 I think that was a way
00:30:53.420 to sell feminism.
00:30:54.680 But I think going back
00:30:55.540 to like Mary Wollstonecraft
00:30:56.920 in the early days
00:30:57.660 of feminism,
00:30:58.400 I think it was just basically
00:30:59.700 a view of human nature
00:31:00.820 that said men and women
00:31:02.000 are pretty much the same.
00:31:02.840 And rather than
00:31:04.560 the classical view
00:31:05.560 of human nature,
00:31:06.100 which is that men and women
00:31:06.840 are different,
00:31:08.000 vive la différence,
00:31:09.180 we're complementary,
00:31:10.480 you know,
00:31:10.800 men are from Mars,
00:31:11.480 women are from Venus,
00:31:12.360 but, you know,
00:31:13.020 we all get together
00:31:13.660 in the solar system.
00:31:14.540 So I think it goes deeper than that.
00:31:15.960 That's one reason
00:31:16.580 why I would never say
00:31:17.440 I'm a feminist
00:31:17.940 is because I don't,
00:31:19.880 I just don't think
00:31:20.560 that's how human nature works.
00:31:21.900 I love women.
00:31:22.880 I think women are marvelous.
00:31:24.160 I am as far from a misogynist
00:31:26.800 as it is possible to be.
00:31:28.200 But I just don't,
00:31:29.300 I don't think men and women
00:31:30.080 are the same.
00:31:30.580 I think certain things
00:31:31.260 are better for men,
00:31:31.780 certain things are better for women.
00:31:33.400 No, I think what makes us
00:31:34.700 different are our strengths.
00:31:36.300 I think trying to blend
00:31:37.060 those together
00:31:37.640 is a complete weakness.
00:31:39.100 I think men and women
00:31:40.020 are completely different animals
00:31:41.940 and should be treated differently.
00:31:43.860 So it's like,
00:31:44.360 the problem is
00:31:45.120 they're trying to blend
00:31:45.860 these things to be like,
00:31:46.960 oh, we should just be
00:31:47.680 living the same life
00:31:48.700 and doing the same things.
00:31:49.880 Absolutely not.
00:31:50.720 That clearly is not working out
00:31:52.180 as we see that in society.
00:31:53.660 Do I think women
00:31:54.400 should have the right to vote
00:31:55.940 and all these things?
00:31:56.860 Which, yes,
00:31:57.360 all the pick-me feminists,
00:31:58.600 they're like,
00:31:59.120 oh my God,
00:31:59.760 women shouldn't even vote.
00:32:00.940 Like, I'm sorry.
00:32:01.680 I think that's embarrassing.
00:32:02.980 I think literally
00:32:03.700 all they're doing
00:32:04.420 is trying to get attention
00:32:05.280 from men, ironically,
00:32:06.100 because most of them
00:32:07.500 are probably unhappy
00:32:08.360 in their marriages
00:32:09.500 and not happy
00:32:10.160 with all the choices
00:32:10.820 they've made.
00:32:11.400 I'm also coming
00:32:12.020 from a different perspective.
00:32:13.220 I'm in a city.
00:32:14.000 I'm also not super religious.
00:32:15.560 I'm very clear
00:32:16.160 about that online.
00:32:17.100 But I'm not going to pretend
00:32:18.180 like I'm a part
00:32:18.780 of this new wave of feminism.
00:32:20.220 I mean,
00:32:20.720 being in one of the bluest
00:32:21.680 places in the country,
00:32:23.040 I live a very,
00:32:24.880 ironically,
00:32:25.600 traditional
00:32:26.080 and conservative lifestyle.
00:32:27.240 I don't drink.
00:32:28.020 I don't smoke.
00:32:28.520 I don't do drugs.
00:32:29.200 I don't go out.
00:32:30.340 We're having dinner.
00:32:31.060 We're cooking.
00:32:31.580 We're with the dogs.
00:32:32.460 We'd like to get married
00:32:33.420 one day and have kids.
00:32:33.820 Emily, my definition
00:32:34.440 of conservatism,
00:32:35.460 you actually have to drink
00:32:36.440 and smoke.
00:32:37.020 It's actually a requirement.
00:32:38.900 Listen,
00:32:39.420 I see your point
00:32:40.500 because sometimes
00:32:41.560 they say women shouldn't vote.
00:32:43.260 I think,
00:32:43.620 hold on,
00:32:43.900 then we're going to lose
00:32:44.620 all the elections
00:32:45.180 because we get all the married.
00:32:46.220 Only married women should vote.
00:32:47.760 The single women should not vote
00:32:48.860 because they all vote
00:32:49.280 for Democrats.
00:32:50.060 But if you really wanted
00:32:50.980 to embrace the trad life,
00:32:52.900 of course,
00:32:53.360 nobody should vote.
00:32:54.320 But that's a topic
00:32:55.060 for another time.
00:32:55.960 Ladies,
00:32:56.200 thank you so much.
00:32:57.380 So much of it
00:32:58.300 is so hypocritical
00:32:59.500 and ironically,
00:33:00.340 a lot of these statements
00:33:01.660 are literally just from women
00:33:03.480 to appease men
00:33:05.340 and I'm sorry.
00:33:06.340 I'm just like,
00:33:06.840 I'm not going to get behind that.
00:33:08.360 And they called me
00:33:09.140 a liberal feminist
00:33:10.000 and Tommy Lauren
00:33:11.240 and all these people
00:33:12.120 and look,
00:33:12.700 we're allowed to have
00:33:13.280 different perspectives
00:33:14.020 and that's also supposed
00:33:15.000 to be the right wing.
00:33:15.960 We're not supposed
00:33:16.340 to be liberals.
00:33:17.020 We're supposed to
00:33:17.520 have different perspectives
00:33:18.760 and actually be able
00:33:20.260 to coexist with each other.
00:33:22.180 Right.
00:33:22.420 And I'm not completely
00:33:23.540 on the end of like,
00:33:24.640 oh, women shouldn't vote
00:33:25.560 and this or that.
00:33:26.060 I think women
00:33:26.780 should be able to vote.
00:33:27.640 So I'm definitely
00:33:28.280 with you on that.
00:33:29.660 And I also,
00:33:30.420 I guess so.
00:33:34.000 But I also think
00:33:35.280 even if you look
00:33:36.120 at the Bible,
00:33:36.640 you look at the Proverbs 31 woman,
00:33:38.520 she still had a job.
00:33:40.220 It granted,
00:33:40.820 it didn't take priority
00:33:42.100 over her household.
00:33:43.700 So I think that
00:33:44.640 when we're talking
00:33:45.420 about roles,
00:33:46.640 as if a woman
00:33:48.080 wants to be able to work,
00:33:49.080 I mean,
00:33:49.500 I'm not in a 1950s
00:33:51.100 dress right now.
00:33:52.780 Not yet, Melanie.
00:33:53.740 Yeah, not yet.
00:33:54.900 Not yet, at least.
00:33:56.400 So I work.
00:33:57.760 And so I can't claim
00:33:59.240 that everything
00:33:59.900 has to be this exact same way.
00:34:02.200 So I do understand
00:34:03.160 that element of it.
00:34:04.280 But I think that
00:34:05.120 the priority
00:34:05.800 with a woman
00:34:07.200 in marriage,
00:34:09.080 and especially
00:34:09.820 if kids are involved,
00:34:11.020 should be the home.
00:34:12.560 That is the priority.
00:34:13.940 Anything else
00:34:14.600 that she wants to do,
00:34:15.400 if she wants to get
00:34:15.860 a part-time job,
00:34:16.980 she wants to do this
00:34:17.580 or that,
00:34:18.180 as long as it doesn't
00:34:19.680 interfere with
00:34:20.880 what she's able
00:34:21.820 to do at home.
00:34:23.760 And I think it's good
00:34:24.280 if you're talking
00:34:24.880 about women
00:34:25.660 initiating divorce
00:34:26.780 and being unhappy,
00:34:27.980 I think a good part
00:34:29.080 of that is
00:34:29.600 how do we keep women
00:34:30.680 happy and stop
00:34:32.020 that from happening?
00:34:32.820 So saying,
00:34:33.280 oh, you know,
00:34:33.940 not forcing,
00:34:34.680 if going to work
00:34:35.880 three hours a week
00:34:36.780 makes her happy,
00:34:38.380 whatever it is,
00:34:39.120 then maybe that
00:34:39.680 should be also
00:34:40.220 a priority
00:34:40.740 if the divorce
00:34:41.560 is initiated
00:34:42.160 and so high.
00:34:43.060 I have this crazy idea
00:34:44.220 maybe we should
00:34:44.980 restrict the divorce
00:34:45.840 laws again,
00:34:46.560 but that's much,
00:34:47.620 that's the much more
00:34:48.500 trad right-wing view.
00:34:49.380 Savannah,
00:34:50.020 you have been
00:34:50.640 characteristically demure,
00:34:52.820 quiet,
00:34:53.460 and trad
00:34:54.200 in this last
00:34:55.260 little segment here.
00:34:56.480 Final word.
00:34:58.040 I mean,
00:34:58.960 so I personally
00:34:59.960 don't think women
00:35:00.620 should vote
00:35:01.080 and that's probably
00:35:01.720 going to be
00:35:02.020 a very far opinion
00:35:03.800 and that's not
00:35:04.560 to get male validation,
00:35:07.280 that's simply like,
00:35:08.440 I maybe married women
00:35:10.100 because it would just
00:35:10.800 be like my husband
00:35:11.540 having another vote,
00:35:13.020 but, you know,
00:35:13.620 during like the
00:35:14.280 suffragist movement,
00:35:15.280 they sold this to women
00:35:17.240 as,
00:35:17.980 oh,
00:35:18.080 now you can vote
00:35:18.940 differently than
00:35:19.580 your husband,
00:35:20.600 so now you have
00:35:21.240 choice.
00:35:22.200 And so if we're
00:35:22.760 going to erase
00:35:23.440 women's choice
00:35:24.300 as in,
00:35:24.880 you know,
00:35:25.520 going on OnlyFans
00:35:26.620 or working
00:35:27.080 or whatever it may be,
00:35:28.160 then you have to
00:35:29.700 repeal the 19th too.
00:35:31.200 I mean,
00:35:31.400 I just don't,
00:35:32.180 that we're losing
00:35:33.040 elections.
00:35:33.700 We lost in the,
00:35:34.920 what was it,
00:35:35.440 2020 because women,
00:35:37.100 single women were voting.
00:35:38.500 So I think that's
00:35:39.480 the problem.
00:35:39.860 I thought it was
00:35:40.380 the ballot drop boxes,
00:35:41.540 but it's a fair point.
00:35:42.400 I mean,
00:35:42.500 there were plenty of women
00:35:43.400 during the suffraget movement.
00:35:45.140 Voter ID,
00:35:46.000 but it's like,
00:35:46.300 also,
00:35:46.580 didn't you vote?
00:35:47.180 Didn't you vote for Trump?
00:35:49.720 Well,
00:35:50.220 yeah,
00:35:50.760 but it was like,
00:35:51.200 my husband had another vote.
00:35:52.820 I'm not voting against my husband.
00:35:54.900 If I was voting against my husband,
00:35:56.640 that would be a problem.
00:35:57.500 I don't think couples should be
00:35:58.720 voting against each other,
00:35:59.940 right?
00:36:00.700 And I think the man should be
00:36:01.620 the head of the household.
00:36:02.360 So I can see that element of it
00:36:04.480 for sure.
00:36:05.140 Women should be voting against
00:36:06.040 her husband.
00:36:06.340 So Melanie,
00:36:06.540 you're more on Savannah's side.
00:36:07.620 I'm kind of in between
00:36:08.680 because like,
00:36:09.580 I don't want to be told
00:36:10.360 I can't vote.
00:36:11.220 I'm single too.
00:36:12.340 So I don't want to be told
00:36:13.520 I can't vote.
00:36:14.560 Like,
00:36:14.680 I'm being taxed.
00:36:15.200 I would be told,
00:36:15.940 look,
00:36:16.420 sorry to interrupt Melanie,
00:36:17.660 but I'm a millennial.
00:36:19.260 Millennials have voted
00:36:20.080 traditionally for Democrats.
00:36:21.660 If you told me,
00:36:22.560 Michael,
00:36:22.740 we're going to disenfranchise
00:36:23.680 all the millennials,
00:36:24.360 you'll never get to vote again,
00:36:25.700 but we're going to get
00:36:26.540 good government.
00:36:27.620 Say like,
00:36:27.980 where do I sign up?
00:36:28.980 Take all my votes,
00:36:30.000 please.
00:36:30.400 I don't,
00:36:30.620 it's a hassle to go vote.
00:36:31.520 What do I need that for?
00:36:32.240 The point of the voting
00:36:33.060 is the good government
00:36:33.740 and the,
00:36:35.020 to your point,
00:36:35.800 Savannah,
00:36:36.160 I mean,
00:36:36.340 there were a lot of women
00:36:37.200 who were opposed
00:36:38.140 to the suffragettes
00:36:39.100 and they didn't want
00:36:40.500 the right to vote.
00:36:42.180 And the reason I don't think
00:36:43.540 was that they were,
00:36:44.460 you know,
00:36:44.780 dumb or slaves
00:36:45.960 or something like that.
00:36:47.040 Their arguments
00:36:47.840 were the argument
00:36:48.940 that the basic unit
00:36:50.560 of society
00:36:51.140 should be the family,
00:36:52.300 not the individual.
00:36:53.500 So they were making
00:36:54.160 principled arguments.
00:36:55.400 You can disagree
00:36:55.900 with those arguments.
00:36:56.780 Obviously,
00:36:57.420 they're kind of irrelevant now
00:36:58.440 because women have had
00:36:59.120 the right to vote
00:36:59.480 for a hundred years,
00:37:00.480 but they were making
00:37:01.660 serious arguments.
00:37:03.100 So then,
00:37:03.560 I don't know.
00:37:03.980 I mean,
00:37:04.100 what do you say,
00:37:04.840 Emily?
00:37:05.500 I don't think
00:37:06.360 we're going to repeal
00:37:06.820 the 19th Amendment
00:37:07.480 anytime soon,
00:37:08.180 but would it not
00:37:10.980 be more conservative
00:37:11.800 if the political order
00:37:13.940 was based on the family
00:37:14.980 rather than the individual?
00:37:16.860 Yeah,
00:37:17.060 but there's also,
00:37:17.800 that goes across
00:37:18.400 too many different things
00:37:19.520 of like rights
00:37:21.160 that we should have
00:37:22.160 and that's just,
00:37:23.080 it's just ridiculous.
00:37:24.040 I don't even really believe,
00:37:25.760 like,
00:37:25.900 yeah,
00:37:26.080 okay,
00:37:26.280 would we be more conservative?
00:37:27.940 Sure.
00:37:28.280 Would I risk like
00:37:29.180 all females
00:37:30.860 not being able to vote?
00:37:32.220 No,
00:37:32.680 and I don't really think
00:37:33.440 females believe that.
00:37:34.540 I think they say
00:37:35.100 these things online
00:37:36.020 to get male validation.
00:37:37.640 Savannah,
00:37:38.080 are you a pick me?
00:37:38.900 Are you doing pick me stuff?
00:37:40.740 I'm married.
00:37:41.700 I'm married.
00:37:42.320 I don't need to be picked.
00:37:43.320 I've already been picked.
00:37:44.000 Yeah,
00:37:44.060 but every single thing
00:37:44.980 you say
00:37:45.580 is literally appealing
00:37:47.560 to men
00:37:48.400 and usually hating
00:37:49.620 on women as well,
00:37:50.820 which is funny
00:37:51.280 because I would think
00:37:51.980 if I was in a happy marriage,
00:37:53.720 I wouldn't even do,
00:37:54.440 like,
00:37:54.720 I would just go out
00:37:55.600 and just be happy
00:37:56.300 and do my thing.
00:37:57.140 I think the advice
00:37:57.800 you give to women
00:37:58.540 is awful.
00:37:59.660 I think it's out of
00:38:00.320 detriment to them
00:38:01.220 and I don't think
00:38:02.040 it comes from true happiness
00:38:03.260 and I think it really
00:38:04.080 does come out of insecurity
00:38:05.360 from being in frankly
00:38:06.280 a lavender marriage
00:38:07.220 as everyone online can see.
00:38:08.960 I disagree.
00:38:09.620 I think so.
00:38:10.040 Are you that easily
00:38:11.280 manipulated by TikTok rumors?
00:38:14.220 What is it?
00:38:14.900 Can you clear up
00:38:15.980 for a millennial?
00:38:16.480 What's a lavender marriage?
00:38:17.860 That does gay man
00:38:17.940 in two seconds.
00:38:18.920 Oh,
00:38:19.180 a lavender marriage
00:38:20.060 is when you like...
00:38:21.240 Okay,
00:38:21.540 why do you think
00:38:22.100 I called you out
00:38:22.980 for hating on you specifically?
00:38:24.580 Isn't a lavender marriage
00:38:25.680 usually like...
00:38:26.180 Because you berated my husband
00:38:27.020 online.
00:38:28.000 You berated my husband
00:38:29.020 for absolutely no reason.
00:38:30.740 No,
00:38:31.020 I just looked at
00:38:31.640 I just looked at
00:38:32.400 two seconds as
00:38:33.340 oh,
00:38:33.580 that's a gay man.
00:38:34.320 That's why she's...
00:38:35.480 What?
00:38:36.100 I think that's uncalled for.
00:38:38.340 I don't know
00:38:38.880 anybody's personal lives here.
00:38:40.900 This is what I...
00:38:42.120 This is the thing,
00:38:43.480 my perspective
00:38:44.280 of what I'm seeing.
00:38:45.320 Savannah is saying
00:38:46.180 all this because
00:38:46.840 she is in an ideal situation.
00:38:48.700 She's in a happy situation.
00:38:50.440 So in an ideal...
00:38:51.480 An ideal situation
00:38:52.020 married to a potentially gay man
00:38:53.780 at what,
00:38:54.320 19 is a...
00:38:55.160 How do you know?
00:38:56.520 As someone who's
00:38:57.940 tap danced in his life,
00:38:59.280 I want you to know
00:39:00.160 not every guy
00:39:01.520 who's a little theatrical
00:39:03.400 is lighting the loafers.
00:39:05.080 All right.
00:39:05.300 On that note,
00:39:06.300 we have to let you all go.
00:39:07.520 I look forward to
00:39:08.060 chatting again though.
00:39:09.080 You can follow
00:39:09.680 Melanie Mack
00:39:10.420 at at Melanie Mack.
00:39:12.020 You can follow
00:39:12.820 Emily at
00:39:13.540 Emily Saves America.
00:39:14.880 You can follow
00:39:15.500 Savannah Faithstone
00:39:17.060 at Savannah Faithstone.
00:39:19.080 I can't wait
00:39:21.100 for part two.
00:39:22.280 Ladies,
00:39:22.560 thank you so much
00:39:23.120 for coming on.
00:39:24.160 Thank you.
00:39:25.300 Thank you.
00:39:25.920 Thank you, Michael.
00:39:31.120 Thank you.
00:39:31.480 Thank you.
00:39:32.900 Thank you.
00:39:33.480 Thank you.
00:39:34.980 Thank you.
00:39:37.520 Thank you.
00:39:43.000 Hilfe!