Trans-Ally Rally： Speaker Meets Protestors ｜ Cross The Picket Line
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After a conservative political writer Michael Knowles spoke at the University of Utah's College of Social Work, a group of protesters gathered outside the lecture hall to disrupt the event. They wanted to know why the heckling was so bad, and why it was happening on a public university campus.
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Political writer Michael Knowles spoke at the University of Utah's College of Social Work
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to the excitement of many students, but to the outrage of others.
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Is it a safe place for your conservative students?
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How would they know that coming in here when there's a sign that literally says they are
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Now, why on earth would conservative students not feel welcome on a public university campus?
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We all belong to the university, so we're all organizing this resistance.
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It turns out the welcome party for my event was not an organic phenomenon organized by lib students
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Rather, it was sponsored by the dean of the College of Social Work, Philip Osteen, who made
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sure that everyone who attended my speech knew exactly what the University of Utah thinks
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The College of Social Work sponsored the protest balloons in the entryway of an event that one
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So we sponsored for them to put balloons in blacktop.
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It's one thing to have the weird pride flag obnoxiously placed on your taxpayer-funded desk.
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Not ideal, probably shouldn't be permitted, but it's quite another thing to use department
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funds to ensure that every person who wishes to attend my speech is forced to walk through
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a sea of symbols promoting eccentric sex stuff.
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Now, in fairness, I suppose it could have possibly been a coincidence, right?
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I think someone had told me that you extended Pride Week for a week so that it overlapped
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We created Pride Week in this college for this week.
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It's a continuation of what happened when the University left it.
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Despite the University's best efforts to discourage sensible and sound-minded students from attending
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my lecture, the unfortunately modest venue that the administration offered us was totally
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filled in a matter of minutes, leaving hundreds of students out in the cold.
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Some of those attendees had traveled across the country to hear the lecture.
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And unfortunately, the only thing they were able to hear at my speech were the protesters
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The protesters were nearly all students in the College of Social Work.
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It seems very few of them had ever listened to a word that I've said.
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From what I know about him, he has promoted the annihilation of trans people.
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When my producer, Mr. Davies, gave them the chance to discuss their views with me, pretty
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Personally, I have a really hard time staying cool, calm, and collected when talking to someone
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So I think I'm going to take the high road, not even go there.
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However, after the TikToks were posted and the mob felt that its objective was complete,
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Like most students, Daniel had never actually listened to my show or to any of my speeches.
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He simply came to protest because his friends said he should.
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Happily, Daniel decided to investigate the matter himself and cross the picket line to hear what
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You were not in the lecture, but you were outside with the protesters.
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It was like probably a 20-minute lecture, but basically my point was that not only is transgender
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ideology wrong, and not only is it harmful to the people who fall into it, but that it's
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It's particularly prominent and growing in America.
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And so, I kind of went through some of the reasons that I think that is.
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And so, that's a lovely thing and can be a wonderful thing.
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We should never wish to be free from the truth because it is the truth itself that sets us
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And so, this kind of unrestrained, unbridled sense of freedom is leading people to destroy
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What is the problem if males can transition to females and do the same exact thing?
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A man can't actually transition to be a woman.
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So, even, for instance, if a man undergoes a surgical procedure to make his…
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Actually, what usually happens is they kind of chop it up and invert it so it kind of
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He might be able to look a little bit more like a woman, but he can't actually become
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So, say if that's who he truly believes she is, you know what I'm saying?
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I perceive that it is wrong because I have faculties of reason.
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And also because I have faculties of reason, I know that a man can't actually become a
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He won't have had the development from the moment of his conception, certainly through
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his childhood and teens, actually to be a woman.
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So, it's not that I have anything against the guy.
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I hope that he can flourish, but he's not going to flourish by pretending to be something
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So, do you necessarily have a problem with a man identifying as a woman as of like a man
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Well, both would be wrong and unfortunate, right?
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But in the case of public life, you know, if a guy has some crazy idea in his head, but
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it doesn't affect other people, then, you know, I guess he can keep that idea in his head
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But the moment that he does this in public, it does start to affect other people.
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So, if the man, for instance, says that he's a woman and now he wants to go into the women's
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bathroom, that is infringing on the legitimate rights of women to have their own bathroom
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So, then I guess I asked, my follow-up is, what, is there a problem with gender-neutral
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bathrooms or, like, what's the feeling on this?
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I don't like to use the bathroom with a lot of women around me.
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But even beyond my preferences, there are a lot of women who do not want to use the bathroom
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Say I was in there as a straight white male, right?
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I don't think a lot of my friends would be comfortable with me being in the bathroom with
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But if someone truly, like, gets it inverted, whatever, you know, cancel me if I said it
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But if they do that, what is the problem with them going into a female bathroom if they
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And so, they're still physically much stronger than women.
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They still have the same kinds of drives that men have that women don't exactly have.
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There's no rule that says that they have to, you know, chop it off or invert it.
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So, actually, a lot of the trans-identifying men who say that they're women, they still
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have all the appendages, you know, and they're practically still men because they are still
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And so, the question then is, who has a more legitimate claim to a right?
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The man who's pretending to be a woman, which he actually is not, or the woman who wants
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to just be safe and have a little privacy in her own bathroom that is intended only for
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But if a man truly believes, like, he is transgender, I don't, I guess, see a problem.
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But what if the woman doesn't truly believe that he's a woman because he's not a woman?
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Doesn't the woman have some right to reality?
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I mean, I guess I couldn't say reality because, like, what is reality?
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Well, some people incorrectly perceive reality.
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But you're right that it is a thing that we perceive that is outside of us.
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Well, the perception would be individual, but the reality would not.
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To be honest, I feel like I should support—as a Jewish person, right, with all this stuff
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going on with Palestine and Israel, like, I'm in favor of human rights.
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And if someone wants to identify as something that they biologically should not be, I don't
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Well, I can't really speak on that because, like, I'm not a woman.
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You know how it's scientifically proven that watching a movie is more enjoyable when paired
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Well, after years of my very own scientific experiments, the results are in.
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Any and all activities become much more enjoyable while smoking a Mayflower cigar.
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Since we grant that there is such a thing as reality, which is objective, and that we
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perceive it, and that's individual, and some of us can perceive things a little differently,
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and sometimes things, you know, go a little funny with our perception.
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But if we grant that the reality still exists, then that is going to, either the reality is
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going to be the basis of our lawmaking and the rules that govern society, or it's just
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And so if we agree that there is such a thing as this objective reality, and if we agree that,
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you know, the woman is a woman and the man, he might perceive himself to be a woman, but,
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you know, he is a man, don't you think we ought to give some care and consideration
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to the views of the woman, which happen to be in line with reality?
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We're trying to throw, like, everyone into a category of acceptance, right?
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So where I come from, like, I'm 21, like, freshly 21.
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A lot of my friends, like, they are gay, straight, bisexual, whatever, you name it.
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And going through, like, wilderness therapy, I went through wilderness therapy, and I went
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When I was 16, I was living in Boston, Massachusetts with my parents.
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I had gone into a lot of, like, drugs, you name it, whatever, like, stupid behavior.
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My parents had me sent to Utah to a wilderness therapy camp, which is where, like, you know,
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The Moab Desert, I was out there for 11, 11 and a half weeks, 77 days, something like that,
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And they taught us all about, like, therapy and blah, blah, blah.
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And, like, you should accept people for who they are, regardless of what they think.
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I think that we should accept people for who they really are, not for who they might pretend
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And in the case of the man who kind of pretends to be a woman or identifies as a woman, if
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you know—I mean, you know, we're talking about the reality—you should accept him with
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love, with compassion, with charity, but you should accept him for who he really is, because
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that's going to be better for him, and it's certainly going to be better for everybody
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Okay, but if I take that into a therapeutical mindset, which I was taught for three and a
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half years doing adult residential, adolescent residential in wilderness, we were told to
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if someone wants to accept and be who they think they are or who they actually are, we're
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supposed to sit there and be like, yeah, like, I agree with that.
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So if I told you right now, I said, Daniel, I'm a black man, do you believe that?
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I don't have any ancestry DNA report to say not.
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So you believe—you agree that I'm a black man?
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I couldn't tell you that you aren't, but I couldn't tell you that you are.
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Well, I thought you said you have to affirm whatever I say.
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You say, yeah, I don't really agree with what I was taught, because they were telling
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We know that's kind of like a basic one, right, is it's wrong to tell a lie.
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It's wrong to tell a lie, but a lie you believe, is that truly a lie?
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No, a person who unintentionally is saying—a lie is an intentional falsehood.
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So a person who is like a, let's say, a trans-identifier, some of them are unintentionally
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But it's not that they're—so they're not lying, they're just wrong.
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And so if you are taught that you need to affirm something that you know is not true,
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It's that they're trying to make you into a liar, and that's wrong.
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But within that fact, my whole therapeutic experience in residentials, in adult transitionals,
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No, probably they wanted to help you, most likely.
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But sometimes, you know, the best-laid schemes of mice and men gang after fleeing
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leave us not but grief and pain for promised joy.
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You know, sometimes the road to hell is paved with good intentions,
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And so if you know now that that was a bad lesson—maybe you learned other good lessons
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there—but that was a bad one, and it's bad to tell a lie—then shouldn't you just
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I think I should live according to my morals, right?
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And so if my morals tell me not to be unjust to the people I call family, right?
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And so I don't take the word, like, family light.
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Like, if I truly, like, love someone and they are my friend, then I don't think I should
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So, but I think the way maybe you intend it is you're saying, look, I got—let's say
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I have this friend, and he thinks he's a woman, and we know he's not a woman, but he thinks
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that—so I—to be just to him, to be caring to him, I'm just going to pretend he's a woman.
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But then my question to you is, is that really being a good friend?
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Is it good to encourage a friend to do something that you know is not true?
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I think you misinterpret what I say, in which I wouldn't tell a friend, no, you're, like,
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you're wrong about it, and because I'm your friend, I'm going to tell you you're wrong.
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If my friend truly believed that, say, she thought she was a man, I'm not going to, like,
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go up against her and be like, no, you're not a man.
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Like, I'm going to support you 3,000 of the way through.
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So I think I did—I think I did accurately interpret what you were saying, but that's
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Because if you know—you know, you just said she's a she, right?
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She's a woman, but she thinks she's a man.
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Then if you say you are a man, actually, then you're telling her something that you know
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isn't true, and you're encouraging her to live out of accord with reality.
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And you might be doing it for the best of intentions because you think it'll protect
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But what I'm saying is, isn't the more caring, the more loving thing to do to tell your friend
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I don't know if you've heard the term ride or die for my friends.
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And so if they truly believe something, I'm going to back that 100% of the time.
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So if your friend jumped off a bridge, would you do it too?
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I mean, if we were jumping off the bridge and we were trying to—that Navy SEAL, you
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know, that burned himself in front of the Capitol or whatever.
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The pro-Palestine Marine in front of the Israeli embassy.
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If my friend were to do that, would I necessarily burn myself?
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Would I be in the crowd with him, like, watching him?
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You just stand by and let your friend kill himself?
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If he wanted to do it for a pro-cause, 100% I would.
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And call me messed up with my morals or whatever.
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If my friend truly put his heart or her heart or their heart to something, I'm going to stand
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behind them 1,000% of the time because that's who I was raised to be.
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You were raised to be whatever your friends want you to be.
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No, I was raised to be supportive and to back the people I love.
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So if I said, Daniel, I really believe that objective truth exists and it's wrong to tell
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a lie and the friendly, loving, charitable thing to do is to tell people the truth, and
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I really hope that you would support me in that belief and that you would follow along
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If you got put in jail for misgender, you know, for calling a guy the right pronouns,
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I might let you sit in the can for a night or two just to sober up, but I would consider
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Daniel may not have been completely convinced by my arguments yet, but he deserves more
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credit than his lib friends and the Utah administrators for actually sitting down and talking.
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As my YAF campus tour continues on, I hope to find more students like Daniel who are willing
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to cross the picket line to hear what conservatives have to say and maybe even muster the courage
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