Trans-Ally Rally： Speaker Meets Protestors ｜ Cross The Picket Line
Episode Stats
Words per Minute
179.22491
Summary
After a conservative political writer Michael Knowles spoke at the University of Utah's College of Social Work, a group of protesters gathered outside the lecture hall to disrupt the event. They wanted to know why the heckling was so bad, and why it was happening on a public university campus.
Transcript
00:00:00.000
Did you know that over 85% of grass-fed beef sold in U.S. grocery stores is imported?
00:00:05.260
That's why I buy all my meat from GoodRanchers.com instead.
00:00:08.900
Good Ranchers products are 100% born, raised, and harvested right here in the USA from local family farms.
00:00:14.600
Plus, there's no antibiotics ever, no added hormones, and no seed oils.
00:00:21.280
Best of all, Good Ranchers delivers straight to your door for added convenience.
00:00:24.760
So lock in a secure supply of American meat today.
00:00:26.980
Subscribe now at GoodRanchers.com and get free meat for life and $40 off with code DAILYWIRE.
00:00:32.420
That's $40 off and free meat for life with code DAILYWIRE.
00:00:37.600
Political writer Michael Knowles spoke at the University of Utah's College of Social Work
00:00:42.320
to the excitement of many students, but to the outrage of others.
00:00:53.840
Is it a safe place for your conservative students?
00:00:56.520
How would they know that coming in here when there's a sign that literally says they are
00:01:01.360
Now, why on earth would conservative students not feel welcome on a public university campus?
00:01:18.560
We all belong to the university, so we're all organizing this resistance.
00:01:22.520
It turns out the welcome party for my event was not an organic phenomenon organized by lib students
00:01:30.600
Rather, it was sponsored by the dean of the College of Social Work, Philip Osteen, who made
00:01:36.220
sure that everyone who attended my speech knew exactly what the University of Utah thinks
00:01:42.480
The College of Social Work sponsored the protest balloons in the entryway of an event that one
00:01:49.080
So we sponsored for them to put balloons in blacktop.
00:01:53.500
It's one thing to have the weird pride flag obnoxiously placed on your taxpayer-funded desk.
00:01:58.900
Not ideal, probably shouldn't be permitted, but it's quite another thing to use department
00:02:05.360
funds to ensure that every person who wishes to attend my speech is forced to walk through
00:02:11.880
a sea of symbols promoting eccentric sex stuff.
00:02:15.320
Now, in fairness, I suppose it could have possibly been a coincidence, right?
00:02:21.340
I think someone had told me that you extended Pride Week for a week so that it overlapped
00:02:26.020
We created Pride Week in this college for this week.
00:02:29.780
It's a continuation of what happened when the University left it.
00:02:35.880
Despite the University's best efforts to discourage sensible and sound-minded students from attending
00:02:41.560
my lecture, the unfortunately modest venue that the administration offered us was totally
00:02:47.960
filled in a matter of minutes, leaving hundreds of students out in the cold.
00:02:52.140
Some of those attendees had traveled across the country to hear the lecture.
00:02:57.300
And unfortunately, the only thing they were able to hear at my speech were the protesters
00:03:02.360
The protesters were nearly all students in the College of Social Work.
00:03:06.120
It seems very few of them had ever listened to a word that I've said.
00:03:08.960
From what I know about him, he has promoted the annihilation of trans people.
00:03:18.980
When my producer, Mr. Davies, gave them the chance to discuss their views with me, pretty
00:03:24.900
Personally, I have a really hard time staying cool, calm, and collected when talking to someone
00:03:30.620
So I think I'm going to take the high road, not even go there.
00:03:33.620
However, after the TikToks were posted and the mob felt that its objective was complete,
00:03:42.980
Like most students, Daniel had never actually listened to my show or to any of my speeches.
00:03:48.380
He simply came to protest because his friends said he should.
00:03:56.040
Happily, Daniel decided to investigate the matter himself and cross the picket line to hear what
00:04:13.700
You were not in the lecture, but you were outside with the protesters.
00:04:24.220
It was like probably a 20-minute lecture, but basically my point was that not only is transgender
00:04:31.120
ideology wrong, and not only is it harmful to the people who fall into it, but that it's
00:04:40.040
It's particularly prominent and growing in America.
00:04:44.920
And so, I kind of went through some of the reasons that I think that is.
00:04:53.980
And so, that's a lovely thing and can be a wonderful thing.
00:05:01.360
We should never wish to be free from the truth because it is the truth itself that sets us
00:05:05.880
And so, this kind of unrestrained, unbridled sense of freedom is leading people to destroy
00:05:14.540
What is the problem if males can transition to females and do the same exact thing?
00:05:27.140
So, even, for instance, if a man undergoes a surgical procedure to make his…
00:05:34.400
Actually, what usually happens is they kind of chop it up and invert it so it kind of
00:05:47.300
He might be able to look a little bit more like a woman, but he can't actually become
00:05:52.640
So, say if that's who he truly believes she is, you know what I'm saying?
00:06:09.180
I perceive that it is wrong because I have faculties of reason.
00:06:18.360
And also because I have faculties of reason, I know that a man can't actually become a
00:06:27.920
He won't have had the development from the moment of his conception, certainly through
00:06:31.780
his childhood and teens, actually to be a woman.
00:06:34.960
So, it's not that I have anything against the guy.
00:06:40.160
I hope that he can flourish, but he's not going to flourish by pretending to be something
00:06:46.060
So, do you necessarily have a problem with a man identifying as a woman as of like a man
00:07:01.500
Well, both would be wrong and unfortunate, right?
00:07:05.160
But in the case of public life, you know, if a guy has some crazy idea in his head, but
00:07:10.280
it doesn't affect other people, then, you know, I guess he can keep that idea in his head
00:07:16.720
But the moment that he does this in public, it does start to affect other people.
00:07:21.060
So, if the man, for instance, says that he's a woman and now he wants to go into the women's
00:07:25.940
bathroom, that is infringing on the legitimate rights of women to have their own bathroom
00:07:33.180
So, then I guess I asked, my follow-up is, what, is there a problem with gender-neutral
00:07:38.420
bathrooms or, like, what's the feeling on this?
00:07:43.680
I don't like to use the bathroom with a lot of women around me.
00:07:48.580
But even beyond my preferences, there are a lot of women who do not want to use the bathroom
00:07:57.320
Say I was in there as a straight white male, right?
00:08:03.400
I don't think a lot of my friends would be comfortable with me being in the bathroom with
00:08:10.040
But if someone truly, like, gets it inverted, whatever, you know, cancel me if I said it
00:08:17.160
But if they do that, what is the problem with them going into a female bathroom if they
00:08:26.540
And so, they're still physically much stronger than women.
00:08:28.960
They still have the same kinds of drives that men have that women don't exactly have.
00:08:34.120
There's no rule that says that they have to, you know, chop it off or invert it.
00:08:37.660
So, actually, a lot of the trans-identifying men who say that they're women, they still
00:08:43.440
have all the appendages, you know, and they're practically still men because they are still
00:08:49.660
And so, the question then is, who has a more legitimate claim to a right?
00:08:55.060
The man who's pretending to be a woman, which he actually is not, or the woman who wants
00:09:00.360
to just be safe and have a little privacy in her own bathroom that is intended only for
00:09:13.440
But if a man truly believes, like, he is transgender, I don't, I guess, see a problem.
00:09:23.320
But what if the woman doesn't truly believe that he's a woman because he's not a woman?
00:09:31.300
I mean, I guess I couldn't say reality because, like, what is reality?
00:09:43.400
Well, some people incorrectly perceive reality.
00:09:46.140
But you're right that it is a thing that we perceive that is outside of us.
00:09:50.840
Well, the perception would be individual, but the reality would not.
00:10:03.220
To be honest, I feel like I should support—as a Jewish person, right, with all this stuff
00:10:10.140
going on with Palestine and Israel, like, I'm in favor of human rights.
00:10:14.720
And if someone wants to identify as something that they biologically should not be, I don't
00:10:27.060
Well, I can't really speak on that because, like, I'm not a woman.
00:10:36.740
You know how it's scientifically proven that watching a movie is more enjoyable when paired
00:10:44.520
Well, after years of my very own scientific experiments, the results are in.
00:10:50.240
Any and all activities become much more enjoyable while smoking a Mayflower cigar.
00:11:03.400
Since we grant that there is such a thing as reality, which is objective, and that we
00:11:07.640
perceive it, and that's individual, and some of us can perceive things a little differently,
00:11:11.240
and sometimes things, you know, go a little funny with our perception.
00:11:13.840
But if we grant that the reality still exists, then that is going to, either the reality is
00:11:23.120
going to be the basis of our lawmaking and the rules that govern society, or it's just
00:11:31.280
And so if we agree that there is such a thing as this objective reality, and if we agree that,
00:11:37.760
you know, the woman is a woman and the man, he might perceive himself to be a woman, but,
00:11:41.360
you know, he is a man, don't you think we ought to give some care and consideration
00:11:46.680
to the views of the woman, which happen to be in line with reality?
00:11:52.720
We're trying to throw, like, everyone into a category of acceptance, right?
00:11:58.100
So where I come from, like, I'm 21, like, freshly 21.
00:12:04.320
A lot of my friends, like, they are gay, straight, bisexual, whatever, you name it.
00:12:10.940
And going through, like, wilderness therapy, I went through wilderness therapy, and I went
00:12:21.340
When I was 16, I was living in Boston, Massachusetts with my parents.
00:12:26.220
I had gone into a lot of, like, drugs, you name it, whatever, like, stupid behavior.
00:12:31.100
My parents had me sent to Utah to a wilderness therapy camp, which is where, like, you know,
00:12:38.240
The Moab Desert, I was out there for 11, 11 and a half weeks, 77 days, something like that,
00:12:45.260
And they taught us all about, like, therapy and blah, blah, blah.
00:12:49.580
And, like, you should accept people for who they are, regardless of what they think.
00:12:58.580
I think that we should accept people for who they really are, not for who they might pretend
00:13:05.540
And in the case of the man who kind of pretends to be a woman or identifies as a woman, if
00:13:09.760
you know—I mean, you know, we're talking about the reality—you should accept him with
00:13:13.560
love, with compassion, with charity, but you should accept him for who he really is, because
00:13:18.360
that's going to be better for him, and it's certainly going to be better for everybody
00:13:21.600
Okay, but if I take that into a therapeutical mindset, which I was taught for three and a
00:13:27.860
half years doing adult residential, adolescent residential in wilderness, we were told to
00:13:36.780
if someone wants to accept and be who they think they are or who they actually are, we're
00:13:44.740
supposed to sit there and be like, yeah, like, I agree with that.
00:13:58.460
So if I told you right now, I said, Daniel, I'm a black man, do you believe that?
00:14:05.600
I don't have any ancestry DNA report to say not.
00:14:09.000
So you believe—you agree that I'm a black man?
00:14:14.000
I couldn't tell you that you aren't, but I couldn't tell you that you are.
00:14:17.380
Well, I thought you said you have to affirm whatever I say.
00:14:24.680
You say, yeah, I don't really agree with what I was taught, because they were telling
00:14:29.200
We know that's kind of like a basic one, right, is it's wrong to tell a lie.
00:14:32.200
It's wrong to tell a lie, but a lie you believe, is that truly a lie?
00:14:36.740
No, a person who unintentionally is saying—a lie is an intentional falsehood.
00:14:42.000
So a person who is like a, let's say, a trans-identifier, some of them are unintentionally
00:14:49.340
But it's not that they're—so they're not lying, they're just wrong.
00:14:54.560
And so if you are taught that you need to affirm something that you know is not true,
00:15:03.920
It's that they're trying to make you into a liar, and that's wrong.
00:15:08.300
But within that fact, my whole therapeutic experience in residentials, in adult transitionals,
00:15:21.900
No, probably they wanted to help you, most likely.
00:15:23.760
But sometimes, you know, the best-laid schemes of mice and men gang after fleeing
00:15:27.520
leave us not but grief and pain for promised joy.
00:15:29.440
You know, sometimes the road to hell is paved with good intentions,
00:15:32.920
And so if you know now that that was a bad lesson—maybe you learned other good lessons
00:15:36.700
there—but that was a bad one, and it's bad to tell a lie—then shouldn't you just
00:15:45.720
I think I should live according to my morals, right?
00:15:52.080
And so if my morals tell me not to be unjust to the people I call family, right?
00:15:58.980
And so I don't take the word, like, family light.
00:16:02.760
Like, if I truly, like, love someone and they are my friend, then I don't think I should
00:16:17.240
So, but I think the way maybe you intend it is you're saying, look, I got—let's say
00:16:20.880
I have this friend, and he thinks he's a woman, and we know he's not a woman, but he thinks
00:16:23.920
that—so I—to be just to him, to be caring to him, I'm just going to pretend he's a woman.
00:16:29.700
But then my question to you is, is that really being a good friend?
00:16:36.240
Is it good to encourage a friend to do something that you know is not true?
00:16:41.260
I think you misinterpret what I say, in which I wouldn't tell a friend, no, you're, like,
00:16:47.840
you're wrong about it, and because I'm your friend, I'm going to tell you you're wrong.
00:16:51.660
If my friend truly believed that, say, she thought she was a man, I'm not going to, like,
00:16:59.780
go up against her and be like, no, you're not a man.
00:17:03.120
Like, I'm going to support you 3,000 of the way through.
00:17:05.440
So I think I did—I think I did accurately interpret what you were saying, but that's
00:17:11.360
Because if you know—you know, you just said she's a she, right?
00:17:16.200
Then if you say you are a man, actually, then you're telling her something that you know
00:17:21.580
isn't true, and you're encouraging her to live out of accord with reality.
00:17:25.580
And you might be doing it for the best of intentions because you think it'll protect
00:17:29.160
But what I'm saying is, isn't the more caring, the more loving thing to do to tell your friend
00:17:36.920
I don't know if you've heard the term ride or die for my friends.
00:17:40.380
And so if they truly believe something, I'm going to back that 100% of the time.
00:17:46.500
So if your friend jumped off a bridge, would you do it too?
00:17:53.440
I mean, if we were jumping off the bridge and we were trying to—that Navy SEAL, you
00:17:59.360
know, that burned himself in front of the Capitol or whatever.
00:18:04.800
The pro-Palestine Marine in front of the Israeli embassy.
00:18:07.920
If my friend were to do that, would I necessarily burn myself?
00:18:12.260
Would I be in the crowd with him, like, watching him?
00:18:17.340
You just stand by and let your friend kill himself?
00:18:20.860
If he wanted to do it for a pro-cause, 100% I would.
00:18:25.320
And call me messed up with my morals or whatever.
00:18:34.040
If my friend truly put his heart or her heart or their heart to something, I'm going to stand
00:18:40.860
behind them 1,000% of the time because that's who I was raised to be.
00:18:47.100
You were raised to be whatever your friends want you to be.
00:18:50.300
No, I was raised to be supportive and to back the people I love.
00:18:58.680
So if I said, Daniel, I really believe that objective truth exists and it's wrong to tell
00:19:04.580
a lie and the friendly, loving, charitable thing to do is to tell people the truth, and
00:19:08.620
I really hope that you would support me in that belief and that you would follow along
00:19:17.820
If you got put in jail for misgender, you know, for calling a guy the right pronouns,
00:19:27.700
I might let you sit in the can for a night or two just to sober up, but I would consider
00:19:33.060
Daniel may not have been completely convinced by my arguments yet, but he deserves more
00:19:38.860
credit than his lib friends and the Utah administrators for actually sitting down and talking.
00:19:44.780
As my YAF campus tour continues on, I hope to find more students like Daniel who are willing
00:19:49.200
to cross the picket line to hear what conservatives have to say and maybe even muster the courage
00:19:56.360
I just did a thing with Michael Knowles, if y'all know who that is, for his YouTube type
00:20:13.460
With one forged document, scammers can steal your home title and equity, but now you can
00:20:18.580
Home title locks at million dollar triple lock protection provides 24-7 title monitoring,
00:20:22.440
urgent alerts to changes, and if fraud happens, they'll spend up to a million dollars to fix
00:20:28.620
Use promo code dailywire at hometitlelock.com for a free title history report plus a free
00:20:33.320
14-day trial of their million dollar triple lock protection.
00:20:36.460
Head over to hometitlelock.com now with promo code dailywire to ensure your title is still