The Michael Knowles Show - Trans-Ally Rally： Speaker Meets Protestors ｜ Cross The Picket Line

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00:00:37.600 Political writer Michael Knowles spoke at the University of Utah's College of Social Work

00:00:42.320 to the excitement of many students, but to the outrage of others.

00:00:46.220 Hey, hey! Ho, ho! 1.00

00:00:48.540 Transphobia is about to go!

00:00:50.400 Hey, hey! Ho, ho! 1.00

00:00:52.340 Woo! 0.99

00:00:53.840 Is it a safe place for your conservative students?

00:00:56.200 Of course.

00:00:56.520 How would they know that coming in here when there's a sign that literally says they are

00:01:00.280 not welcome?

00:01:01.360 Now, why on earth would conservative students not feel welcome on a public university campus?

00:01:06.560 Eradicate Michael Knowles from public life!

00:01:09.160 Woo! 0.99

00:01:10.500 Truth and power!

00:01:12.800 Power!

00:01:13.800 What does your sign say?

00:01:15.000 So respect existence or expect resistance.

00:01:18.560 We all belong to the university, so we're all organizing this resistance.

00:01:22.520 It turns out the welcome party for my event was not an organic phenomenon organized by lib students

00:01:28.320 with too much time on their hands.

00:01:30.600 Rather, it was sponsored by the dean of the College of Social Work, Philip Osteen, who made

00:01:36.220 sure that everyone who attended my speech knew exactly what the University of Utah thinks

00:01:41.680 of conservatives.

00:01:42.480 The College of Social Work sponsored the protest balloons in the entryway of an event that one

00:01:47.800 of your students is hosting.

00:01:49.080 So we sponsored for them to put balloons in blacktop.

00:01:53.500 It's one thing to have the weird pride flag obnoxiously placed on your taxpayer-funded desk.

00:01:58.900 Not ideal, probably shouldn't be permitted, but it's quite another thing to use department

00:02:05.360 funds to ensure that every person who wishes to attend my speech is forced to walk through

00:02:11.880 a sea of symbols promoting eccentric sex stuff.

00:02:15.320 Now, in fairness, I suppose it could have possibly been a coincidence, right?

00:02:20.660 Apparently not.

00:02:21.340 I think someone had told me that you extended Pride Week for a week so that it overlapped

00:02:25.000 with this event specifically.

00:02:26.020 We created Pride Week in this college for this week.

00:02:29.780 It's a continuation of what happened when the University left it.

00:02:33.060 Georgia-Covia has got to go!

00:02:35.880 Despite the University's best efforts to discourage sensible and sound-minded students from attending

00:02:41.560 my lecture, the unfortunately modest venue that the administration offered us was totally

00:02:47.960 filled in a matter of minutes, leaving hundreds of students out in the cold.

00:02:52.140 Some of those attendees had traveled across the country to hear the lecture.

00:02:57.300 And unfortunately, the only thing they were able to hear at my speech were the protesters

00:03:01.400 outside.

00:03:02.360 The protesters were nearly all students in the College of Social Work.

00:03:06.120 It seems very few of them had ever listened to a word that I've said.

00:03:08.960 From what I know about him, he has promoted the annihilation of trans people. 1.00

00:03:15.300 I don't want to say that for sure.

00:03:18.980 When my producer, Mr. Davies, gave them the chance to discuss their views with me, pretty

00:03:23.080 much all of them declined.

00:03:24.900 Personally, I have a really hard time staying cool, calm, and collected when talking to someone

00:03:29.740 like that.

00:03:30.620 So I think I'm going to take the high road, not even go there.

00:03:33.620 However, after the TikToks were posted and the mob felt that its objective was complete, 0.73

00:03:40.080 one student decided to peek his head in.

00:03:42.980 Like most students, Daniel had never actually listened to my show or to any of my speeches.

00:03:48.380 He simply came to protest because his friends said he should.

00:03:52.220 Because, they said, the speaker was a bad guy.

00:03:56.040 Happily, Daniel decided to investigate the matter himself and cross the picket line to hear what

00:04:02.060 I had to say.

00:04:03.620 Daniel.

00:04:06.680 Daniel.

00:04:07.240 Thank you for sitting down.

00:04:09.220 Thank you for having me.

00:04:10.320 So, you were not in the lecture.

00:04:13.280 No.

00:04:13.700 You were not in the lecture, but you were outside with the protesters.

00:04:16.580 Yes, sir.

00:04:17.160 Okay.

00:04:17.860 So, did you catch the lecture by any chance?

00:04:20.440 Did you get to watch it?

00:04:21.280 No, sir.

00:04:21.560 You got live stream?

00:04:22.000 No.

00:04:22.440 You want to give me a brief run now?

00:04:24.220 It was like probably a 20-minute lecture, but basically my point was that not only is transgender

00:04:31.120 ideology wrong, and not only is it harmful to the people who fall into it, but that it's

00:04:37.240 a particularly American problem.

00:04:40.040 It's particularly prominent and growing in America.

00:04:44.920 And so, I kind of went through some of the reasons that I think that is.

00:04:49.040 America is the land of opportunity.

00:04:51.880 The land of freedom.

00:04:53.020 The land of freedoms.

00:04:53.980 And so, that's a lovely thing and can be a wonderful thing.

00:04:58.120 But no one can be free from the truth.

00:05:01.360 We should never wish to be free from the truth because it is the truth itself that sets us

00:05:05.480 free.

00:05:05.880 And so, this kind of unrestrained, unbridled sense of freedom is leading people to destroy

00:05:11.360 themselves and to destroy their own identity.

00:05:14.540 What is the problem if males can transition to females and do the same exact thing?

00:05:21.380 They can.

00:05:22.060 That's the problem.

00:05:23.520 A man can't actually transition to be a woman. 0.96

00:05:27.140 So, even, for instance, if a man undergoes a surgical procedure to make his…

00:05:32.160 Say he cuts it off, right?

00:05:33.440 He cuts it off.

00:05:34.400 Actually, what usually happens is they kind of chop it up and invert it so it kind of

00:05:37.980 more resembles.

00:05:39.540 It's not actually the female anatomy. 1.00

00:05:42.120 He can't actually give birth.

00:05:44.600 He's not actually going to have a womb.

00:05:45.840 He's not going to have ovaries.

00:05:47.300 He might be able to look a little bit more like a woman, but he can't actually become 0.93

00:05:52.300 a woman.

00:05:52.640 So, say if that's who he truly believes she is, you know what I'm saying?

00:06:00.180 What is the problem with that in your mind?

00:06:02.200 That he's wrong about that.

00:06:04.200 Why is that wrong to you, though?

00:06:07.360 Well, it's not that it's wrong to me.

00:06:09.180 I perceive that it is wrong because I have faculties of reason.

00:06:13.360 And, you know, we all have eyes.

00:06:14.800 You can see like a big dude in a dress.

00:06:16.680 You know, he's probably a man, right?

00:06:18.360 And also because I have faculties of reason, I know that a man can't actually become a 0.76

00:06:22.680 woman.

00:06:23.060 He won't be able to give birth.

00:06:24.880 His chromosomes won't magically change.

00:06:27.920 He won't have had the development from the moment of his conception, certainly through

00:06:31.780 his childhood and teens, actually to be a woman.

00:06:34.960 So, it's not that I have anything against the guy.

00:06:37.740 It's not that I wish him ill.

00:06:39.000 Quite the opposite.

00:06:40.160 I hope that he can flourish, but he's not going to flourish by pretending to be something

00:06:44.860 other than what he is.

00:06:46.060 So, do you necessarily have a problem with a man identifying as a woman as of like a man

00:06:58.380 truly believing he is a woman?

00:07:01.500 Well, both would be wrong and unfortunate, right?

00:07:05.160 But in the case of public life, you know, if a guy has some crazy idea in his head, but

00:07:10.280 it doesn't affect other people, then, you know, I guess he can keep that idea in his head

00:07:14.320 and it's not much skin off my nose.

00:07:16.720 But the moment that he does this in public, it does start to affect other people.

00:07:21.060 So, if the man, for instance, says that he's a woman and now he wants to go into the women's 0.92

00:07:25.940 bathroom, that is infringing on the legitimate rights of women to have their own bathroom 1.00

00:07:31.320 that men can't go into.

00:07:33.180 So, then I guess I asked, my follow-up is, what, is there a problem with gender-neutral

00:07:38.420 bathrooms or, like, what's the feeling on this?

00:07:42.040 Call me old-fashioned.

00:07:43.680 I don't like to use the bathroom with a lot of women around me. 1.00

00:07:47.320 Call me a fuddy-duddy.

00:07:48.580 But even beyond my preferences, there are a lot of women who do not want to use the bathroom 1.00

00:07:54.820 or undress in a changing room around men.

00:07:57.320 Say I was in there as a straight white male, right?

00:08:00.240 Yeah.

00:08:00.680 Granted, I am an ally.

00:08:02.100 I am whatever.

00:08:03.400 I don't think a lot of my friends would be comfortable with me being in the bathroom with

00:08:07.800 them, right?

00:08:08.120 Right, exactly.

00:08:10.040 But if someone truly, like, gets it inverted, whatever, you know, cancel me if I said it

00:08:16.940 wrong.

00:08:17.160 But if they do that, what is the problem with them going into a female bathroom if they 1.00

00:08:22.840 look like a female? 0.99

00:08:24.780 Well, they're not actually women. 1.00

00:08:26.540 And so, they're still physically much stronger than women. 0.99

00:08:28.960 They still have the same kinds of drives that men have that women don't exactly have. 0.98

00:08:34.120 There's no rule that says that they have to, you know, chop it off or invert it.

00:08:37.660 So, actually, a lot of the trans-identifying men who say that they're women, they still 0.97

00:08:43.440 have all the appendages, you know, and they're practically still men because they are still

00:08:49.260 men.

00:08:49.660 And so, the question then is, who has a more legitimate claim to a right?

00:08:55.060 The man who's pretending to be a woman, which he actually is not, or the woman who wants 0.99

00:09:00.360 to just be safe and have a little privacy in her own bathroom that is intended only for 0.72

00:09:05.240 women? 1.00

00:09:05.680 Or in a changing room, for instance?

00:09:07.700 No, I get that.

00:09:08.820 Because I went through, like, swim team.

00:09:10.540 I went through hockey locker rooms.

00:09:11.960 Like, I've been through all.

00:09:13.440 But if a man truly believes, like, he is transgender, I don't, I guess, see a problem.

00:09:23.320 But what if the woman doesn't truly believe that he's a woman because he's not a woman?

00:09:28.360 Doesn't the woman have some right to reality? 1.00

00:09:31.300 I mean, I guess I couldn't say reality because, like, what is reality?

00:09:40.580 It's what we perceive, is it not?

00:09:43.400 Well, some people incorrectly perceive reality.

00:09:46.140 But you're right that it is a thing that we perceive that is outside of us.

00:09:48.880 It's an individual thought process.

00:09:50.480 No.

00:09:50.840 Well, the perception would be individual, but the reality would not.

00:09:54.400 So reality is—

00:09:54.740 That would be an objective.

00:09:55.800 Yes.

00:09:56.160 Yeah.

00:09:56.620 Right.

00:09:56.820 Right.

00:10:01.300 I don't know.

00:10:03.220 To be honest, I feel like I should support—as a Jewish person, right, with all this stuff 0.97

00:10:10.140 going on with Palestine and Israel, like, I'm in favor of human rights.

00:10:14.720 And if someone wants to identify as something that they biologically should not be, I don't

00:10:22.980 have a problem with it, right?

00:10:25.280 Right.

00:10:25.580 But what about the woman who might?

00:10:27.060 Well, I can't really speak on that because, like, I'm not a woman.

00:10:31.960 I don't identify as a woman.

00:10:34.680 Sorry to interrupt, but I've been thinking.

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00:11:01.980 Back to the show.

00:11:03.400 Since we grant that there is such a thing as reality, which is objective, and that we

00:11:07.640 perceive it, and that's individual, and some of us can perceive things a little differently,

00:11:11.240 and sometimes things, you know, go a little funny with our perception.

00:11:13.840 But if we grant that the reality still exists, then that is going to, either the reality is

00:11:23.120 going to be the basis of our lawmaking and the rules that govern society, or it's just

00:11:28.180 kind of a battle of preferences, right?

00:11:31.280 And so if we agree that there is such a thing as this objective reality, and if we agree that,

00:11:37.760 you know, the woman is a woman and the man, he might perceive himself to be a woman, but,

00:11:41.360 you know, he is a man, don't you think we ought to give some care and consideration

00:11:46.680 to the views of the woman, which happen to be in line with reality?

00:11:52.720 We're trying to throw, like, everyone into a category of acceptance, right?

00:11:58.100 So where I come from, like, I'm 21, like, freshly 21.

00:12:02.400 I was born in February, like, 2003.

00:12:04.320 A lot of my friends, like, they are gay, straight, bisexual, whatever, you name it.

00:12:10.940 And going through, like, wilderness therapy, I went through wilderness therapy, and I went

00:12:16.040 through—

00:12:16.640 What is wilderness therapy?

00:12:18.320 So, funny you ask, actually.

00:12:21.340 When I was 16, I was living in Boston, Massachusetts with my parents. 0.99

00:12:26.220 I had gone into a lot of, like, drugs, you name it, whatever, like, stupid behavior. 0.89

00:12:31.100 My parents had me sent to Utah to a wilderness therapy camp, which is where, like, you know, 0.99

00:12:36.780 Moab.

00:12:37.760 Yeah.

00:12:38.240 The Moab Desert, I was out there for 11, 11 and a half weeks, 77 days, something like that,

00:12:44.580 right?

00:12:45.260 And they taught us all about, like, therapy and blah, blah, blah.

00:12:49.580 And, like, you should accept people for who they are, regardless of what they think.

00:12:57.440 Yeah, well, I agree with that.

00:12:58.580 I think that we should accept people for who they really are, not for who they might pretend

00:13:03.720 to be.

00:13:05.540 And in the case of the man who kind of pretends to be a woman or identifies as a woman, if

00:13:09.760 you know—I mean, you know, we're talking about the reality—you should accept him with

00:13:13.560 love, with compassion, with charity, but you should accept him for who he really is, because

00:13:18.360 that's going to be better for him, and it's certainly going to be better for everybody

00:13:21.200 else.

00:13:21.600 Okay, but if I take that into a therapeutical mindset, which I was taught for three and a

00:13:27.860 half years doing adult residential, adolescent residential in wilderness, we were told to

00:13:36.780 if someone wants to accept and be who they think they are or who they actually are, we're

00:13:44.740 supposed to sit there and be like, yeah, like, I agree with that.

00:13:48.340 But what if you disagree with that?

00:13:49.900 What if you know that that's not true?

00:13:51.980 I would get a consequence.

00:13:54.340 I would be sat out of the group.

00:13:56.420 If it were wilderness, I'd be—

00:13:58.460 So if I told you right now, I said, Daniel, I'm a black man, do you believe that?

00:14:05.600 I don't have any ancestry DNA report to say not.

00:14:09.000 So you believe—you agree that I'm a black man?

00:14:14.000 I couldn't tell you that you aren't, but I couldn't tell you that you are.

00:14:17.380 Well, I thought you said you have to affirm whatever I say.

00:14:19.600 That's what you were taught in the therapy.

00:14:21.620 Do I agree with therapy?

00:14:22.940 No, but—

00:14:23.980 Well, there you go.

00:14:24.680 You say, yeah, I don't really agree with what I was taught, because they were telling

00:14:27.020 you to lie, and that's wrong to lie.

00:14:29.200 We know that's kind of like a basic one, right, is it's wrong to tell a lie.

00:14:32.200 It's wrong to tell a lie, but a lie you believe, is that truly a lie?

00:14:36.740 No, a person who unintentionally is saying—a lie is an intentional falsehood.

00:14:42.000 So a person who is like a, let's say, a trans-identifier, some of them are unintentionally 0.98

00:14:47.460 saying something that's false.

00:14:49.340 But it's not that they're—so they're not lying, they're just wrong.

00:14:52.420 But you know that it's false.

00:14:54.560 And so if you are taught that you need to affirm something that you know is not true,

00:15:01.980 it's not about the other person being a liar.

00:15:03.920 It's that they're trying to make you into a liar, and that's wrong.

00:15:08.300 But within that fact, my whole therapeutic experience in residentials, in adult transitionals,

00:15:15.720 in wilderness, that whole thing was a lie.

00:15:18.900 So did my parents send me here for a lie?

00:15:21.900 No, probably they wanted to help you, most likely.

00:15:23.760 But sometimes, you know, the best-laid schemes of mice and men gang after fleeing

00:15:27.520 leave us not but grief and pain for promised joy.

00:15:29.440 You know, sometimes the road to hell is paved with good intentions,

00:15:31.340 and things just don't work out.

00:15:32.920 And so if you know now that that was a bad lesson—maybe you learned other good lessons

00:15:36.700 there—but that was a bad one, and it's bad to tell a lie—then shouldn't you just

00:15:41.340 live according to that true statement?

00:15:45.720 I think I should live according to my morals, right?

00:15:52.080 And so if my morals tell me not to be unjust to the people I call family, right?

00:15:58.980 And so I don't take the word, like, family light.

00:16:01.340 I don't say love lightly.

00:16:02.760 Like, if I truly, like, love someone and they are my friend, then I don't think I should

00:16:09.500 tell them they can be something, you know?

00:16:14.260 That they're not really that thing.

00:16:15.600 I totally agree with you.

00:16:17.240 So, but I think the way maybe you intend it is you're saying, look, I got—let's say

00:16:20.880 I have this friend, and he thinks he's a woman, and we know he's not a woman, but he thinks

00:16:23.920 that—so I—to be just to him, to be caring to him, I'm just going to pretend he's a woman. 0.80

00:16:29.700 But then my question to you is, is that really being a good friend?

00:16:33.360 Is it good to lie to your friend?

00:16:36.240 Is it good to encourage a friend to do something that you know is not true?

00:16:41.260 I think you misinterpret what I say, in which I wouldn't tell a friend, no, you're, like,

00:16:47.840 you're wrong about it, and because I'm your friend, I'm going to tell you you're wrong.

00:16:51.660 If my friend truly believed that, say, she thought she was a man, I'm not going to, like,

00:16:59.780 go up against her and be like, no, you're not a man.

00:17:02.400 Yeah, that's what I'm—

00:17:03.120 Like, I'm going to support you 3,000 of the way through.

00:17:05.440 So I think I did—I think I did accurately interpret what you were saying, but that's

00:17:10.180 what I'm questioning.

00:17:11.360 Because if you know—you know, you just said she's a she, right? 1.00

00:17:14.100 She's a woman, but she thinks she's a man. 0.99

00:17:16.200 Then if you say you are a man, actually, then you're telling her something that you know

00:17:21.580 isn't true, and you're encouraging her to live out of accord with reality.

00:17:25.580 And you might be doing it for the best of intentions because you think it'll protect

00:17:28.320 her feelings or something.

00:17:29.160 But what I'm saying is, isn't the more caring, the more loving thing to do to tell your friend

00:17:35.160 the truth even when it's hard?

00:17:36.920 I don't know if you've heard the term ride or die for my friends.

00:17:40.380 And so if they truly believe something, I'm going to back that 100% of the time.

00:17:46.500 So if your friend jumped off a bridge, would you do it too?

00:17:50.400 It depends on the cause.

00:17:53.440 I mean, if we were jumping off the bridge and we were trying to—that Navy SEAL, you

00:17:59.360 know, that burned himself in front of the Capitol or whatever.

00:18:03.080 The Marine.

00:18:03.900 Yeah, Marine, yes sir.

00:18:04.800 The pro-Palestine Marine in front of the Israeli embassy.

00:18:07.420 Yeah.

00:18:07.920 If my friend were to do that, would I necessarily burn myself?

00:18:11.580 No.

00:18:12.260 Would I be in the crowd with him, like, watching him?

00:18:15.780 Yes, I 100% would. 0.96

00:18:17.340 You just stand by and let your friend kill himself?

00:18:19.940 It doesn't seem very friendly.

00:18:20.860 If he wanted to do it for a pro-cause, 100% I would.

00:18:24.560 Huh.

00:18:25.320 And call me messed up with my morals or whatever.

00:18:29.840 If my friend truly—

00:18:30.900 You are messed up with your morals.

00:18:34.040 If my friend truly put his heart or her heart or their heart to something, I'm going to stand

00:18:40.860 behind them 1,000% of the time because that's who I was raised to be.

00:18:47.100 You were raised to be whatever your friends want you to be.

00:18:50.300 No, I was raised to be supportive and to back the people I love.

00:18:55.740 We're kind of friendly, right?

00:18:57.140 I mean, I'd say we are.

00:18:58.120 We are.

00:18:58.680 So if I said, Daniel, I really believe that objective truth exists and it's wrong to tell

00:19:04.580 a lie and the friendly, loving, charitable thing to do is to tell people the truth, and

00:19:08.620 I really hope that you would support me in that belief and that you would follow along

00:19:12.760 and do that as well.

00:19:13.800 Would you do that?

00:19:15.960 Would you pay my bail if I got put in jail?

00:19:17.820 If you got put in jail for misgender, you know, for calling a guy the right pronouns, 0.99

00:19:23.780 I would pay your bail for that.

00:19:24.700 What if it was a DUI?

00:19:26.040 Say hypothetically.

00:19:27.700 I might let you sit in the can for a night or two just to sober up, but I would consider

00:19:31.820 it.

00:19:33.060 Daniel may not have been completely convinced by my arguments yet, but he deserves more

00:19:38.860 credit than his lib friends and the Utah administrators for actually sitting down and talking.

00:19:44.780 As my YAF campus tour continues on, I hope to find more students like Daniel who are willing

00:19:49.200 to cross the picket line to hear what conservatives have to say and maybe even muster the courage

00:19:54.180 to sit down face to face.

00:19:56.360 I just did a thing with Michael Knowles, if y'all know who that is, for his YouTube type

00:20:06.160 s**t, you know. 0.85

00:20:09.460 So I'm going to be on YouTube. 0.96

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The Michael Knowles Show - May 04, 2024

Trans-Ally Rally： Speaker Meets Protestors ｜ Cross The Picket Line

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