The Michael Knowles Show - February 15, 2025


Trans-Women FURIOUS At Lesbians： Michael Knowles REACTS


Episode Stats


Length

14 minutes

Words per minute

173.16522

Word count

2,527

Sentence count

217

Harmful content

Misogyny

36

sentences flagged

Hate speech

28

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Summary

Summaries generated with gmurro/bart-large-finetuned-filtered-spotify-podcast-summ .

Lesbianism vs. Transphobia. Lesbians vs. trans dudes. Sex change vs. sex change. Sex education vs sex education. Sex ed vs sex ed. Sex positivity vs. sexual transmisiveness.

Transcript

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00:00:00.000 Okay, today is...
00:00:02.000 Sex Change Saturday! 1.00
00:00:04.800 Ba-da-ba-ba-da-ba!
00:00:08.780 I want that to be the permanent stinger.
00:00:10.920 So what is this, a bunch of crazy videos?
00:00:13.260 Well, there's a lot of internet drama going on,
00:00:15.080 and if you follow, like, Kendrick Lamar and Drake,
00:00:17.560 Blake Lively, and accountability.
00:00:19.480 All the time.
00:00:21.280 They not like us. They not like us.
00:00:23.700 The big one, though, are lesbians versus trans dudes 1.00
00:00:27.760 angry they won't hook up with them.
00:00:29.480 Lesbians versus... 1.00
00:00:32.880 A trans dude,
00:00:34.520 meaning a woman who thinks she's a man?
00:00:39.120 No, no. Dudes pretending to be women. 0.98
00:00:41.260 Mad that lesbians won't hook up with them. 1.00
00:00:43.320 So the men pretending to be women 0.99
00:00:45.120 are mad that the lesbians won't hook up with them. 1.00
00:00:48.380 Yes.
00:00:48.740 It's not the lesbians who are angry at the men who think that they're women 0.93
00:00:51.460 that the men who think that they're women won't hook up with the lesbians.
00:00:53.780 And I like less than half of you, half as well as you deserve. 1.00
00:00:58.600 Exactly.
00:00:59.000 Got it.
00:01:00.460 I think.
00:01:01.400 If you're cis and you won't date trans folks,
00:01:04.700 you're transphobe. 0.82
00:01:08.100 Now, if that made you mad,
00:01:10.120 maybe it's your prejudices that you need to probe.
00:01:14.300 No matter the reasons you've got,
00:01:17.520 you're reducing us to when we disrobe.
00:01:19.740 And that kind of thinking ain't sophisticated.
00:01:25.140 It's more like microbes.
00:01:27.760 But transphobia's transphobia and you won't get a pass when we're through.
00:01:33.520 When we're through?
00:01:34.540 We're human beings,
00:01:36.180 not sex organs,
00:01:37.220 cis lesbians, 0.92
00:01:38.100 I'm talking to you.
00:01:40.240 You won't get a pass
00:01:42.580 for not sleeping with me when we're through.
00:01:46.240 You won't get a pass.
00:01:47.320 You will sleep with me.
00:01:49.380 You,
00:01:49.580 I'm a beautiful woman.
00:01:51.620 And you,
00:01:53.200 other women, 1.00
00:01:54.000 you will sleep with me.
00:01:55.860 Or else you're a trans. 1.00
00:01:57.320 You won't get a pass for that when we're through.
00:01:59.160 This is your beautiful pride culture, folks.
00:02:05.320 That guy,
00:02:06.080 It is man.
00:02:07.080 I am told,
00:02:08.220 is allegedly a Northwestern professor.
00:02:11.600 That can't be real.
00:02:12.760 Is that real?
00:02:13.660 Allegedly.
00:02:14.480 That can't,
00:02:15.140 that cannot be real.
00:02:16.820 There's no community notes correcting it.
00:02:23.500 Alright, I'm going to say allegedly,
00:02:24.800 allegedly,
00:02:25.240 because I don't,
00:02:25.960 that is,
00:02:26.540 there are like three schools
00:02:29.120 you can send your kids to
00:02:30.180 in this country anymore.
00:02:31.920 What is it?
00:02:32.220 Ave Maria,
00:02:33.140 Hillsdale,
00:02:34.520 I don't know,
00:02:35.420 Liberty,
00:02:36.060 I guess,
00:02:36.540 Franciscan,
00:02:37.320 I don't,
00:02:38.220 What?
00:02:41.300 Next one.
00:02:42.300 Quick reminder to some cis lesbians out there, 1.00
00:02:44.740 but please stop centering your lesbianism 0.98
00:02:46.600 around penis disgust. 0.73
00:02:47.920 Nobody wants to see your dick, dude.
00:02:49.720 I'm not saying that any trauma
00:02:51.020 that you have around them isn't valid,
00:02:52.820 but I am saying that it shouldn't define
00:02:54.820 your lesbianism. 1.00
00:02:56.540 The widespread penis disgust
00:02:57.980 that a lot of cis lesbians have 1.00
00:02:59.440 is actually really trans misogynistic
00:03:00.960 because it makes
00:03:01.720 trans feminine lesbians
00:03:02.980 like myself
00:03:03.560 feel really disgusting
00:03:04.920 just for existing as lesbians 1.00
00:03:06.580 in the body that we do.
00:03:07.800 It also creates a lot of pressure
00:03:09.080 for trans feminine lesbians
00:03:10.380 to get bottom surgery, 0.72
00:03:11.500 which is very scary
00:03:12.420 and expensive
00:03:13.140 when we otherwise wouldn't,
00:03:14.860 just to feel valid
00:03:16.040 within the lesbian community 1.00
00:03:17.400 and receive support
00:03:18.420 and not feel disgusting.
00:03:20.080 So,
00:03:20.660 please stop
00:03:21.180 and check your trans misogyny
00:03:22.320 since there's other stuff too.
00:03:23.420 I don't know
00:03:25.540 if this is parody or not.
00:03:27.140 It's so fluent
00:03:28.860 that I think it's parody,
00:03:31.920 but also I guess
00:03:32.860 it's so fluent
00:03:33.620 that maybe it's not.
00:03:35.020 Like, like,
00:03:35.420 because either
00:03:36.540 it was all scripted out,
00:03:38.400 the trans feminine
00:03:39.680 disgust
00:03:40.840 of the trans misogyny
00:03:42.300 from the,
00:03:42.980 either it was scripted out perfectly
00:03:44.760 or,
00:03:45.620 what the hell?
00:03:46.580 The thing is,
00:03:48.680 if this were parody,
00:03:49.820 that guy
00:03:50.560 is
00:03:51.340 Brando.
00:03:53.660 And then I do not forgive.
00:03:55.520 You know,
00:03:55.860 I mean that,
00:03:56.380 because he didn't crack once.
00:04:01.280 You actually,
00:04:02.840 the fact that
00:04:03.660 we,
00:04:04.620 the fact that we have
00:04:06.960 phalluses
00:04:07.640 and that you don't like that
00:04:09.860 really makes us feel
00:04:10.980 like kind of awkward
00:04:11.860 in our lesbianism. 0.98
00:04:12.960 Yes,
00:04:13.160 you probably should feel
00:04:14.100 awkward in your lesbianism.
00:04:15.320 This is like
00:04:19.640 Monty Python.
00:04:20.880 Next one.
00:04:25.920 Yes,
00:04:26.680 genital preferences
00:04:27.400 are always transphobic.
00:04:29.280 You're welcome.
00:04:30.040 No one asked you.
00:04:32.260 No,
00:04:32.400 but seriously,
00:04:33.040 deciding that you don't
00:04:33.940 want to be
00:04:34.640 intimate with someone
00:04:36.420 because of the genitals 1.00
00:04:38.180 they have
00:04:38.860 is transphobic.
00:04:39.960 This means that this person
00:04:41.060 is not open
00:04:41.880 to dating
00:04:42.740 trans women, 0.96
00:04:44.020 which invalidates
00:04:44.860 their womenhood.
00:04:45.720 It's every man's right
00:04:46.480 to have babies
00:04:47.160 if he wants them.
00:04:48.240 But you can't have babies.
00:04:50.260 Don't you oppress me.
00:04:51.340 Not only that,
00:04:51.920 it makes assumptions
00:04:52.640 about the way
00:04:53.500 that trans people
00:04:54.240 are going to want to use
00:04:55.340 those genitals. 1.00
00:04:56.780 The idea that trans people 1.00
00:04:58.380 use the body parts
00:04:59.320 that they have
00:05:00.000 in the same way
00:05:00.660 that cis people
00:05:01.320 with those same body parts do.
00:05:02.800 This is revolting,
00:05:03.740 this conversation.
00:05:05.220 Say it with me.
00:05:06.340 Genital preferences
00:05:07.100 are always transphobic.
00:05:08.700 Okay.
00:05:09.460 So,
00:05:10.080 the worthwhile thing
00:05:11.720 that this person
00:05:12.360 is saying
00:05:12.780 is
00:05:14.000 that preferences
00:05:15.360 aren't everything.
00:05:16.420 This is actually
00:05:17.180 interesting and correct.
00:05:18.860 Though,
00:05:19.280 this person,
00:05:20.260 who I think is a woman,
00:05:21.660 is using the,
00:05:22.960 I think,
00:05:23.400 I don't know,
00:05:23.980 is using that argument
00:05:26.200 to the opposite
00:05:27.400 of the truth.
00:05:29.060 Which is,
00:05:30.500 she says,
00:05:31.220 if you have preferences,
00:05:34.400 if you're a woman
00:05:34.980 and you don't want
00:05:35.620 to sleep with a man, 0.51
00:05:36.620 even a man who thinks
00:05:38.440 he's a woman,
00:05:39.840 you know,
00:05:40.140 you're phobic.
00:05:41.220 That's awful.
00:05:41.740 You don't have the right
00:05:42.240 to do that.
00:05:42.800 You are going to have
00:05:43.520 sex with me. 0.99
00:05:44.460 No, James.
00:05:45.180 I don't want to.
00:05:46.120 Yes, you do.
00:05:47.240 No, I don't.
00:05:48.160 Yes, you do.
00:05:49.480 No, I don't.
00:05:50.680 Yes, you do.
00:05:52.160 Okay, yes.
00:05:52.860 You have to sleep
00:05:53.560 with the dude.
00:05:55.120 So, maybe it's a man.
00:05:56.160 I don't know.
00:05:57.200 There's intentional ambiguity here.
00:06:00.420 However,
00:06:00.960 the conservative
00:06:01.700 would say the same
00:06:02.640 kind of thing,
00:06:03.460 which is,
00:06:04.060 just because you have
00:06:04.660 a preference,
00:06:05.240 that doesn't justify
00:06:06.180 your desire
00:06:07.900 to sleep with a person.
00:06:09.860 In other words,
00:06:10.880 if you're a man
00:06:12.260 and you want to
00:06:14.240 do stuff like that
00:06:15.560 with another man,
00:06:17.100 the conservative would say,
00:06:18.200 look,
00:06:18.420 you're going to do
00:06:18.760 whatever you want,
00:06:19.280 but maybe you shouldn't.
00:06:20.160 You don't have to.
00:06:20.800 You don't have to act
00:06:21.560 on that desire.
00:06:22.200 If you're a lady
00:06:22.700 and you want to do
00:06:23.940 something a little odd
00:06:24.840 with another lady,
00:06:25.820 I guess you can,
00:06:26.820 but you don't have
00:06:27.560 to do that.
00:06:28.760 Your preferences
00:06:30.540 do not determine
00:06:31.560 your behavior
00:06:32.160 because you're
00:06:32.500 a rational creature
00:06:33.160 and you can make choices.
00:06:34.480 Choices in accord
00:06:35.380 with abstract conceptions
00:06:36.700 of justice and reality.
00:06:38.340 Okay?
00:06:38.720 Furthermore,
00:06:39.520 if you're a man
00:06:41.760 who desires to be a woman,
00:06:43.820 who has a preference
00:06:44.460 to be a woman,
00:06:45.500 you don't have to
00:06:46.780 pretend to be a woman.
00:06:47.920 Oh.
00:06:48.880 You can tether yourself
00:06:49.800 to reality.
00:06:50.800 But this argument
00:06:52.140 is actually the best one
00:06:52.920 I've heard so far,
00:06:53.740 which is,
00:06:54.600 hey,
00:06:54.720 preferences aren't everything.
00:06:55.840 You're right.
00:06:56.380 Preferences aren't everything.
00:06:57.880 Preferences are subjective.
00:06:59.540 Preferences can be
00:07:00.380 divorced totally
00:07:01.600 from reality.
00:07:02.940 What will be stronger,
00:07:04.620 what is more likely
00:07:05.260 to guide you
00:07:05.880 into flourishing
00:07:06.520 is to
00:07:08.100 ground your behavior
00:07:10.640 on reason
00:07:11.420 and to bring
00:07:12.460 your subjective preferences
00:07:13.920 and your repetitive will
00:07:15.120 into line
00:07:16.140 with your reason
00:07:16.960 so that you're being led
00:07:18.000 by your rational will
00:07:19.320 and you're doing things
00:07:20.560 that are normal
00:07:21.620 and conducive
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00:08:30.400 K-N-O-W-L-E-S 1.00
00:08:32.400 I've realized
00:08:33.240 that I've hurt
00:08:33.840 the trans community
00:08:34.600 even though
00:08:35.000 that was never
00:08:35.520 my intention.
00:08:36.460 I hate what
00:08:37.400 you've done to us!
00:08:39.060 AHHHHH!
00:08:41.360 When I initially
00:08:42.120 responded to that tweet,
00:08:43.620 I was just trying
00:08:44.300 to defend my community.
00:08:45.800 Lesbians face 1.00
00:08:46.460 a lot of hatred
00:08:47.120 from people
00:08:47.680 within our community
00:08:48.460 and from,
00:08:49.180 you know,
00:08:50.060 straight people.
00:08:50.740 No fear.
00:08:51.820 I want to be a lesbian. 1.00
00:08:53.820 I never intended
00:08:54.720 to hurt anybody.
00:08:55.720 I thought that
00:08:56.300 this was just
00:08:56.840 a common opinion.
00:08:57.720 And I also realized
00:08:59.040 that using the terms
00:09:00.160 of female genitals 0.82
00:09:01.860 and male genitals 0.80
00:09:02.520 was offensive.
00:09:04.080 I thought that
00:09:04.560 they were just
00:09:05.120 neutral medical terms
00:09:06.460 that everybody used
00:09:07.920 but apparently not.
00:09:09.260 From penis to vagina. 0.86
00:09:11.620 In a video
00:09:12.180 in the comment section,
00:09:13.080 I asked for alternatives
00:09:14.400 to those words
00:09:15.280 because I figured out
00:09:16.560 that they were
00:09:17.080 not appropriate.
00:09:18.180 And I also never
00:09:18.980 meant to agree
00:09:19.680 with a TERF.
00:09:20.560 I didn't check
00:09:21.200 the username.
00:09:22.440 As many of you know,
00:09:23.260 I get thousands
00:09:23.800 of comments a day.
00:09:24.580 I don't really have time
00:09:25.320 to look at the username.
00:09:26.380 Aren't I the popular one?
00:09:28.780 So I had no idea
00:09:29.880 otherwise I wouldn't
00:09:31.100 have responded to it.
00:09:32.500 I personally have been
00:09:34.000 not comfortable
00:09:35.620 with the genitals 1.00
00:09:37.180 associated with people
00:09:38.720 who are assigned
00:09:39.180 male at birth.
00:09:40.100 An enormous wang.
00:09:41.600 Ever since I was a kid,
00:09:42.800 I've never really
00:09:43.380 been comfortable with it.
00:09:45.000 Huge.
00:09:45.760 Pecker! 0.98
00:09:46.360 I simply wouldn't
00:09:47.200 be able to date
00:09:48.060 somebody
00:09:48.880 with those parts.
00:09:51.500 Really?
00:09:51.940 You know,
00:09:52.260 there's all this
00:09:52.740 intentional ambiguity
00:09:53.620 but I guess this is a woman 1.00
00:09:54.820 who says,
00:09:55.700 I don't want to date
00:09:56.560 a man who says
00:09:57.400 that he's a woman.
00:09:58.080 Dick! 0.91
00:09:58.600 Because I guess
00:09:59.180 she's a lesbian. 1.00
00:10:00.260 Notice,
00:10:00.800 she goes,
00:10:01.240 ever since I was
00:10:01.900 a little kid,
00:10:02.680 I've been uncomfortable
00:10:03.660 with male genitals. 0.99
00:10:06.400 Privates!
00:10:07.060 Lesbians are statistically 1.00
00:10:08.280 much more likely
00:10:09.560 than other people
00:10:10.320 to have suffered
00:10:12.280 abuse as children.
00:10:13.680 Trans identifying people
00:10:14.600 are much more likely
00:10:16.020 than other people
00:10:16.800 to have suffered
00:10:17.520 abuse as children.
00:10:18.400 The fact that she can say,
00:10:19.840 since I was a little kid,
00:10:21.300 I've really had this problem
00:10:22.440 with the genitals 1.00
00:10:23.840 of the opposite sex, 1.00
00:10:24.720 Johnson would seem
00:10:25.900 to insinuate
00:10:26.520 maybe this was
00:10:27.220 a problem there
00:10:27.940 and in her defense,
00:10:29.120 she's saying,
00:10:29.940 it seems to be insinuating,
00:10:31.300 okay,
00:10:31.460 I've suffered
00:10:32.040 some kind of trauma
00:10:32.860 and I don't want
00:10:34.180 to have normal relations
00:10:35.680 and then the pro-trans side
00:10:37.920 is saying,
00:10:38.260 well,
00:10:38.360 you have to,
00:10:39.100 you have to,
00:10:39.920 I'm going to re-traumatize
00:10:41.100 you.
00:10:41.240 And the whole thing
00:10:42.340 is just so perverse
00:10:44.060 and kind of predictable
00:10:45.140 but no one's allowed
00:10:46.360 to,
00:10:47.440 at least in the popular culture,
00:10:48.960 no one's really allowed
00:10:49.560 to state the hard truths
00:10:50.900 as to how things
00:10:52.520 have gone awry.
00:10:53.260 You're not even allowed
00:10:53.860 to say that it's gone awry.
00:10:54.920 All you can do
00:10:55.620 is make all of these apologies
00:10:57.460 for making any kind
00:10:58.640 of normative claim at all
00:10:59.740 as she is doing.
00:11:00.620 Keep going.
00:11:01.260 It just brings up
00:11:02.100 too much for me.
00:11:03.400 It's just,
00:11:04.240 it would be a bad relationship
00:11:05.740 for both of the people involved.
00:11:07.740 I would happily date
00:11:08.900 a post-op trans woman
00:11:10.500 as long as she was a butch 0.98
00:11:11.980 because that's my type.
00:11:13.220 What isn't sexy
00:11:14.780 about other butches? 0.88
00:11:15.980 Oh my god.
00:11:17.320 I've also never excluded
00:11:18.720 trans women
00:11:19.780 from my discussions
00:11:20.520 on feminism. 0.99
00:11:21.620 I've argued with my dad
00:11:22.980 a multitude of times
00:11:24.760 trying to tell him
00:11:25.660 that trans people
00:11:26.680 deserve rights
00:11:27.520 and deserve to have
00:11:28.540 their pronouns respected.
00:11:30.140 My pronouns are he, he, he.
00:11:32.360 I also did a presentation
00:11:33.480 in 10th grade
00:11:34.200 about how trans people
00:11:35.540 should be in the military.
00:11:36.680 I'm sorry to any of those
00:11:38.040 who I offended.
00:11:39.340 I, it was never my intention.
00:11:41.200 You are by no means
00:11:42.020 obligated to accept my apology.
00:11:44.180 This is just an explanation
00:11:45.280 of my intentions
00:11:46.660 and I'm really sorry.
00:11:48.320 When I made the comment
00:11:50.000 agreeing with the TERF,
00:11:51.020 which again,
00:11:51.560 I had no idea
00:11:52.520 that she was a TERF.
00:11:53.440 I didn't look at her username.
00:11:54.880 In my head,
00:11:55.660 I was thinking
00:11:56.540 it does sound
00:11:58.060 vaguely reminiscent
00:11:58.940 of conversion therapy
00:12:00.080 to make somebody
00:12:01.120 like something
00:12:01.760 that they just don't.
00:12:04.080 Conversion therapy.
00:12:06.680 This part at the end
00:12:08.240 is a really silly claim.
00:12:11.200 It sounds reminiscent
00:12:12.700 of conversion therapy
00:12:13.860 to make someone
00:12:14.580 like something
00:12:15.140 that they don't.
00:12:16.040 So you're trying
00:12:16.520 to get me to like men,
00:12:18.460 but I don't like men.
00:12:20.380 So stop trying to
00:12:21.520 put me through
00:12:22.200 conversion therapy.
00:12:23.280 The term conversion therapy
00:12:24.560 is a very silly term.
00:12:26.240 It's a polemical term
00:12:27.300 because all therapy
00:12:29.460 is conversion therapy.
00:12:30.840 All therapy.
00:12:31.360 I know we're told now
00:12:33.100 by both political parties,
00:12:34.240 well, conversion therapy
00:12:35.140 is terrible.
00:12:36.260 All therapy
00:12:37.000 is conversion therapy.
00:12:38.480 No one in principle
00:12:39.920 goes to the therapist
00:12:40.760 and says,
00:12:41.240 hey, I got all these problems,
00:12:43.100 Doc,
00:12:43.400 and I want you to
00:12:44.680 not change me at all.
00:12:46.440 I got all these problems.
00:12:48.040 I'm really, really troubled,
00:12:49.360 but make sure
00:12:49.980 you don't change my mind
00:12:51.300 or behaviors about anything.
00:12:53.060 I want to remain
00:12:53.760 exactly as I am, Doc.
00:12:55.960 That's why I'm here
00:12:56.720 at therapy.
00:12:57.520 Shut the hell up
00:12:58.360 and don't bother me again.
00:12:59.680 The whole point of therapy
00:13:02.240 in principle
00:13:03.660 is to change your mind
00:13:05.800 about something,
00:13:06.420 change your feelings
00:13:07.100 about something,
00:13:07.720 change your behaviors
00:13:08.440 in some way.
00:13:09.440 That is what therapy
00:13:10.440 exists for.
00:13:11.220 Now, it's ironic
00:13:12.780 that today
00:13:13.940 most people
00:13:14.940 who go to therapy
00:13:15.680 for years and years
00:13:16.580 and decades
00:13:16.960 actually don't want
00:13:17.580 to change anything.
00:13:18.220 They just want a drug dealer. 1.00
00:13:19.240 They don't actually want
00:13:19.760 a therapist.
00:13:20.140 So they say,
00:13:20.840 hey, I got all these problems.
00:13:22.000 Can I have some Xanax, please?
00:13:23.540 Thank you.
00:13:24.520 Thanks, Doc.
00:13:25.160 I'll be back next week.
00:13:26.140 Oh, for God's sake.
00:13:27.440 Again, we go.
00:13:28.380 But in principle,
00:13:28.840 well, at least the point
00:13:29.460 of therapy
00:13:29.800 is to change your mind
00:13:30.860 about something.
00:13:31.760 But if you refuse
00:13:33.520 to change your mind
00:13:34.240 or if you refuse
00:13:35.960 to believe
00:13:36.240 that there's even
00:13:36.680 an objective truth
00:13:37.560 that you might
00:13:38.240 change your mind to,
00:13:39.880 you're probably
00:13:41.440 not going to get
00:13:41.860 very far
00:13:42.320 and you're going
00:13:42.880 to remain confused
00:13:43.640 and troubled
00:13:44.120 as these people are.
00:13:45.560 I'm Michael Knowles.
00:13:46.120 This is The Michael Knowles Show.
00:13:46.820 See you tomorrow.
00:13:47.820 Oh, and Mary Margaret
00:13:49.060 showed me her penis. 1.00
00:13:53.280 They're not like us.
00:13:54.800 They're not like us.
00:13:56.120 They're not like us.
00:13:57.600 They're people.
00:13:58.740 They're kids.
00:13:59.620 They're evil.
00:14:00.240 They want to hurt you.
00:14:01.060 They don't like us.
00:14:01.940 They don't like us
00:14:02.900 and they're not like us.
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