The Michael Knowles Show - Viral VICE Panel & The Danger of Woke Liberal Assimilation

00:00:00.200 Shenjimin Papiro Gang says,

00:00:01.840 Vince!

00:00:03.060 Well, hold on.

00:00:03.920 Vince, what are you saying?

00:00:04.820 I haven't even introduced our guest yet.

00:00:06.800 You may remember our guest, though,

00:00:08.560 from this marvelous little clip from Vice.

00:00:12.580 Statistically, it is true that Asians, right,

00:00:15.340 on average make more money,

00:00:17.380 like in terms of medium,

00:00:18.840 make more money, better test scores,

00:00:20.280 get into better colleges, all that stuff.

00:00:21.780 I think the question is, why is that?

00:00:23.900 And I don't know, model minority,

00:00:25.340 whatever that label wants to mean.

00:00:26.720 That's actually a myth because we cannot be...

00:00:29.120 Well, no, listen.

00:00:29.820 Well, let me finish my point.

00:00:31.300 We need to observe what makes people

00:00:33.660 successful and unsuccessful.

00:00:35.240 And I think when you look at trends

00:00:36.720 that are generally true in the Asian community,

00:00:38.300 not of everyone, but are generally true,

00:00:40.160 usually you have families that are sticking together.

00:00:43.040 You have, you know,

00:00:45.140 people are taught to work hard in school,

00:00:48.140 not get into trouble.

00:00:49.160 I think that translates to why Asians on mass are successful.

00:00:52.100 And I don't think you have to be Asian

00:00:53.460 or white for that matter

00:00:54.720 to not have kids out of wedlock,

00:00:56.560 not, you know, commit crime,

00:00:58.200 not cause trouble or whatever it is.

00:01:00.280 It's just a matter of like,

00:01:01.620 well, common sense,

00:01:02.600 that's what makes people successful.

00:01:04.840 And if that's so-called assimilation,

00:01:06.460 having a nuclear family,

00:01:07.880 buying a house, going to school,

00:01:09.260 whatever it is,

00:01:09.960 then yeah, okay,

00:01:11.200 call me a pro-assimilation then.

00:01:12.680 I think there's a difference

00:01:13.460 between assimilation and erasure.

00:01:15.200 Yes.

00:01:16.660 Yeah, Vince,

00:01:17.760 how come you told people not to commit crimes

00:01:20.680 and to get married

00:01:21.900 and don't have kids out of wedlock?

00:01:23.320 You, you're trying to erase culture.

00:01:26.520 You're probably a white supremacist.

00:01:28.300 Vince Dow, for those who don't know,

00:01:30.020 19-year-old conservative YouTuber

00:01:31.720 and influencer from Florida

00:01:33.820 and just a destroyer of libs

00:01:37.540 with both facts and logic

00:01:39.220 in that Vice documentary.

00:01:40.800 Vince, thank you for coming on the show.

00:01:42.920 Yeah, thank you for having me, Michael.

00:01:44.180 It's great to be here.

00:01:44.980 It's funny, I am 19.

00:01:46.640 And it's kind of a trip

00:01:47.700 because I grew up watching you

00:01:49.060 and you were actually

00:01:49.700 one of the people originally

00:01:51.060 that kind of broke me out

00:01:52.220 of my libertarian phase.

00:01:53.700 And then now here we are on the show.

00:01:55.480 So, you know,

00:01:56.280 they say never meet your heroes,

00:01:57.780 but I think you're all right, Michael.

00:01:59.040 I think you're all right.

00:01:59.520 Thank you.

00:02:00.320 I am so pleased to hear that

00:02:02.800 because when I saw your clip there,

00:02:05.620 which was just absolutely phenomenal,

00:02:07.320 and I look at some of your other commentary,

00:02:10.560 I sensed that.

00:02:12.640 I sensed that you were not

00:02:14.440 just another young guy

00:02:16.060 spouting the same platitudes

00:02:17.840 that we've all heard for 30 years

00:02:19.640 about, hey, do whatever you want.

00:02:21.620 Just don't make me, you know,

00:02:22.840 pay for it and live and let live

00:02:27.040 and all that.

00:02:27.400 No, you actually seem to have

00:02:28.980 more of a vision.

00:02:29.760 I can't help but notice

00:02:30.480 that you got a cross behind you there

00:02:32.080 on your wall

00:02:33.200 and that your focus

00:02:35.560 is less on licentiousness

00:02:38.740 and permissiveness

00:02:39.480 and a little bit more on virtue

00:02:41.280 and a little bit more

00:02:42.120 on what allows people

00:02:43.020 actually to flourish.

00:02:44.520 Absolutely.

00:02:45.180 And, you know,

00:02:45.500 like I said on that panel,

00:02:47.280 societies don't come together

00:02:48.780 and form because

00:02:49.720 they have nothing in common.

00:02:51.220 They share no values.

00:02:52.380 They have no commonly accepted

00:02:54.040 sense of morality.

00:02:54.860 They form and we build communities

00:02:57.080 and we make smaller covenants

00:02:58.900 with their own lives.

00:02:59.880 You know, we make friends,

00:03:01.220 we get married,

00:03:02.020 we build relationships

00:03:02.940 based on things

00:03:03.760 that we have together

00:03:05.040 and all I essentially said

00:03:06.840 on that panel is,

00:03:07.920 well, you know,

00:03:09.140 this is ought to be the rule

00:03:10.920 of the rest of society too.

00:03:12.100 This is how every society

00:03:13.600 has had to be built

00:03:14.600 in human history

00:03:15.300 and it's really funny

00:03:16.320 that that's the clip

00:03:17.240 that went viral,

00:03:17.960 that one you just played

00:03:18.780 because my comment

00:03:19.960 about that being assimilation

00:03:21.760 was semi-sarcastic

00:03:23.980 in the sense that

00:03:24.940 we just had a whole prior debate

00:03:26.540 about this very topic,

00:03:27.780 you know, about, you know,

00:03:28.580 the greater concept

00:03:29.520 of assimilation

00:03:30.280 and because I think

00:03:31.840 there's a lot more

00:03:32.500 to assimilation

00:03:33.240 than just saying,

00:03:34.720 hey, be a functional

00:03:35.700 member of society.

00:03:36.740 Hey, don't commit crime, right?

00:03:38.000 Like assimilation

00:03:38.740 is much bigger.

00:03:39.960 You got to acclimate

00:03:40.840 to culture, customs,

00:03:41.860 things like that.

00:03:42.640 But because we just

00:03:43.280 had that debate,

00:03:43.880 I kind of like, you know,

00:03:44.740 casually say,

00:03:45.420 well, that's assimilation.

00:03:46.620 Okay, call me

00:03:47.380 such an evil bad person then.

00:03:49.200 And you see how

00:03:50.000 that one girl

00:03:50.880 takes it 100%

00:03:52.060 absolutely seriously

00:03:53.080 and is like,

00:03:53.600 not committing crime,

00:03:54.960 that's erasure, you know?

00:03:56.800 Because you imagine

00:03:57.540 that's a fairly low bar

00:03:59.040 for assimilation

00:03:59.960 is respect the laws,

00:04:04.400 don't go to prison.

00:04:06.660 Because there is,

00:04:07.780 as you say,

00:04:08.200 there's a little bit more.

00:04:08.960 It's the language

00:04:09.700 that we speak.

00:04:10.600 It's the rituals

00:04:11.120 that we engage in.

00:04:12.460 It's the way

00:04:13.680 that we view ourselves

00:04:14.900 individually

00:04:15.420 and the way we view

00:04:16.120 ourselves as a culture.

00:04:17.420 But that bar is so low.

00:04:18.980 My main question

00:04:20.700 watching that whole panel

00:04:22.140 is they were all libs.

00:04:23.920 They were some of the most

00:04:24.720 expressive libs

00:04:25.580 I've ever seen.

00:04:26.380 I mean, they look like

00:04:27.500 Jim Carrey in the 90s.

00:04:28.880 Their eyes got so wide

00:04:30.940 the moment you said,

00:04:31.680 oh my gosh,

00:04:32.900 Asians do well

00:04:33.940 on academic tests?

00:04:35.940 Oh, how dare he say

00:04:37.040 something that's

00:04:37.820 manifestly true?

00:04:39.340 And so I just wanted to know,

00:04:41.900 how'd you even get

00:04:42.640 on the panel?

00:04:43.740 So they reached out

00:04:44.700 to me via email

00:04:46.140 and it's kind of funny.

00:04:47.040 Originally,

00:04:47.400 we were supposed to do

00:04:48.360 a masculinity panel.

00:04:49.460 I assume they just found me

00:04:50.420 because like conservative

00:04:51.200 social media, whatever.

00:04:53.220 But they originally

00:04:54.120 interviewed me

00:04:54.660 to do a masculinity panel.

00:04:55.820 It's really funny.

00:04:57.180 Vice decided,

00:04:58.560 well, because I was Asian,

00:04:59.940 let's put you

00:05:00.480 on the Asian panel instead,

00:05:01.620 which is fine.

00:05:02.120 I think it worked out

00:05:02.720 for the best

00:05:03.080 because I saw

00:05:03.420 the masculinity panel

00:05:04.400 they did.

00:05:04.880 It was kind of

00:05:05.480 not that interesting,

00:05:06.580 whereas the one I was on,

00:05:07.660 you know, very spicy

00:05:08.360 a lot of people.

00:05:08.940 So I think it worked out.

00:05:10.320 But that was a funny part of it.

00:05:11.900 And the other part was,

00:05:13.080 I don't know if I'm

00:05:14.100 supposed to say this,

00:05:14.920 but whatever.

00:05:15.960 Originally,

00:05:16.500 if you look at the date

00:05:17.460 the panel came out,

00:05:18.380 it was December 14th.

00:05:20.080 Originally,

00:05:20.440 it was supposed to come out

00:05:21.500 on December 7th.

00:05:22.940 You know,

00:05:23.240 December 7th,

00:05:23.880 of course,

00:05:24.180 the anniversary of Pearl Harbor.

00:05:26.040 And they,

00:05:27.540 at the last minute,

00:05:28.500 noticed that

00:05:29.460 and decided to pull it.

00:05:30.740 But I was kind of hoping

00:05:32.140 they put it out

00:05:32.800 on December 7th

00:05:33.700 because it'd be kind of funny

00:05:34.660 and it would be,

00:05:35.700 but yeah,

00:05:36.160 that's what happened.

00:05:36.860 So there's some backstories

00:05:38.340 behind what happened.

00:05:39.240 A way that would live

00:05:40.120 in infamy

00:05:40.880 for all of the Libs

00:05:41.960 who were on that panel.

00:05:43.340 No question about it.

00:05:44.940 So you come out there,

00:05:47.120 you make this point

00:05:48.380 about just noticing,

00:05:51.500 just observing

00:05:52.140 that Asians,

00:05:54.440 more than other immigrant groups

00:05:56.460 and I guess really more

00:05:58.200 than any other demographic

00:05:59.100 in the country,

00:06:00.000 tend to succeed.

00:06:01.980 And so maybe

00:06:02.820 they're doing certain things

00:06:04.500 that other groups

00:06:05.360 should emulate.

00:06:06.600 And this is totally shut down.

00:06:10.200 So let's say for a second

00:06:12.260 you had people on the panel

00:06:13.560 who were a little more

00:06:14.500 sophisticated.

00:06:16.560 Where would you then

00:06:17.560 take that discussion

00:06:18.460 about assimilation?

00:06:20.100 Well then,

00:06:20.460 I would,

00:06:20.900 you know,

00:06:21.240 take it further

00:06:22.240 to suggest that

00:06:23.700 I think when you look at

00:06:26.300 the current state of America,

00:06:28.280 there's this kind of debacle of,

00:06:30.340 I say assimilation,

00:06:32.160 but I think there's more

00:06:32.960 to what I say than that.

00:06:33.940 Because you could also

00:06:35.020 make the case

00:06:35.620 that the people on the panel

00:06:36.800 were assimilated, right?

00:06:37.760 And what are they

00:06:38.140 assimilating to?

00:06:39.200 Liberal culture, right?

00:06:40.480 The cultural Marxism,

00:06:41.760 Satanism,

00:06:42.240 whatever that currently

00:06:42.980 runs our system.

00:06:44.960 And so-

00:06:45.280 Hey, hey, hey, Vince,

00:06:46.040 hold on.

00:06:46.380 Are you observing,

00:06:47.280 are you suggesting

00:06:48.160 that at one of our largest

00:06:49.800 cultural events of the year,

00:06:51.500 many very elite people,

00:06:53.040 including the first lady

00:06:53.940 of the United States,

00:06:54.760 would clap at a literal depiction

00:06:57.120 of Satan dancing around,

00:06:59.240 jiggling with transsexuals?

00:07:00.540 Are you,

00:07:00.980 is that the kind of thing

00:07:01.920 you're suggesting

00:07:03.060 you're a conspiracy theorist?

00:07:05.020 Yeah, I know.

00:07:05.420 That makes me a crazy

00:07:06.240 conspiracy theorist,

00:07:07.380 science denier,

00:07:08.460 white nationalist,

00:07:09.380 all of it, right?

00:07:11.420 But no, yeah,

00:07:12.000 as I was saying,

00:07:12.760 so I think that,

00:07:15.280 you know,

00:07:15.680 to quote Donald Trump

00:07:17.140 or paraphrase him,

00:07:18.080 you know,

00:07:18.340 I think in many ways

00:07:19.320 we have to kind of

00:07:19.940 shut down the system

00:07:20.860 until we can figure out

00:07:21.740 what the heck is going on,

00:07:23.000 right?

00:07:23.260 And I think this is the issue,

00:07:25.200 and I think this is intentional

00:07:26.240 that the left does,

00:07:27.060 is that they're bringing in,

00:07:28.400 you know,

00:07:28.660 millions of immigrants

00:07:29.440 every year,

00:07:30.100 legal and illegal,

00:07:31.300 and either they don't

00:07:32.740 assimilate to American culture

00:07:33.980 and you just have

00:07:34.440 a very divided nation,

00:07:35.600 et cetera,

00:07:36.020 or they do assimilate

00:07:37.120 to American culture,

00:07:38.020 but most of them

00:07:38.920 assimilate to mainstream

00:07:40.180 American culture,

00:07:41.120 which is like left-wing culture.

00:07:42.900 And so,

00:07:43.560 you know,

00:07:43.880 where I kind of was hoping

00:07:45.000 to ultimately take the discussion

00:07:46.420 is I think in many ways

00:07:47.600 America needs

00:07:48.600 a restriction

00:07:50.060 or a pause

00:07:51.200 on the current

00:07:52.120 immigration levels,

00:07:53.020 right?

00:07:53.300 Obviously the Southern border,

00:07:54.460 we talk about that

00:07:54.940 all the time,

00:07:55.480 but also,

00:07:56.340 you know,

00:07:56.620 in terms of the legal

00:07:57.300 immigration system,

00:07:58.240 we have very big numbers

00:08:00.000 coming in,

00:08:01.300 much historically higher

00:08:02.700 than they were

00:08:03.260 at other points

00:08:03.960 in American history,

00:08:04.860 and there's been no pause,

00:08:06.160 right?

00:08:06.500 Historically in America,

00:08:07.320 we've had these waves

00:08:08.160 of immigration,

00:08:08.820 but then there's a pause,

00:08:09.880 there's time to assimilate.

00:08:11.160 Since 1965,

00:08:12.300 it's just been mass,

00:08:13.120 unrelented immigration,

00:08:14.180 both legal and illegal,

00:08:15.580 and it's creating this country

00:08:16.860 where nobody needs

00:08:18.440 to assimilate,

00:08:19.180 and if they do,

00:08:19.840 of course,

00:08:20.180 because,

00:08:20.680 you know,

00:08:20.980 our enemies are in power,

00:08:22.220 they're assimilating

00:08:22.860 to the things

00:08:23.740 we don't want them

00:08:24.320 to assimilate.

00:08:24.960 And so if I were

00:08:25.860 to have a higher level

00:08:26.720 discussion,

00:08:27.120 I would say,

00:08:27.760 yes,

00:08:28.080 obviously it is true.

00:08:29.920 In order for a society

00:08:31.120 to stick together,

00:08:31.820 we have to have

00:08:32.620 common values

00:08:34.020 and culture

00:08:34.740 and all this stuff,

00:08:35.520 but then I would also say

00:08:36.740 that can't exist

00:08:38.680 in the way the system

00:08:39.720 is currently being structured,

00:08:41.020 right?

00:08:41.300 We need to,

00:08:42.340 A,

00:08:42.420 fix our culture,

00:08:43.300 and then maybe after that

00:08:44.500 we can talk about

00:08:45.220 what we do with immigration,

00:08:46.520 but so long as we're

00:08:47.280 bringing people

00:08:47.900 into this country

00:08:48.600 and A,

00:08:49.480 telling them not

00:08:50.080 to assimilate,

00:08:50.680 which is a problem,

00:08:51.420 or B,

00:08:51.920 telling them to assimilate

00:08:52.840 to the culture

00:08:53.400 of New York City

00:08:54.080 and Hollywood,

00:08:55.260 it's just a disaster

00:08:56.280 and it's a disaster

00:08:57.100 for us politically,

00:08:58.100 culturally,

00:08:58.640 spiritually,

00:08:59.060 all of it.

00:08:59.600 That's a really great point

00:09:01.140 because conservatives

00:09:01.980 throughout my lifetime

00:09:02.840 have always said,

00:09:03.440 no,

00:09:03.540 assimilate,

00:09:03.960 assimilate,

00:09:04.360 assimilate,

00:09:04.660 but if we're going

00:09:06.040 to assimilate

00:09:06.680 to Sam Smith

00:09:07.600 dancing around

00:09:08.720 like a sort of

00:09:10.260 devilish looking lesbian

00:09:11.600 saying go daddy

00:09:12.880 to the body shop

00:09:13.920 and do whatever,

00:09:14.720 I don't want

00:09:15.560 that kind of assimilation.

00:09:16.760 I actually,

00:09:17.500 I think we need

00:09:18.560 to assimilate

00:09:19.080 to some of the cultures

00:09:19.800 coming here

00:09:20.260 as long as they're

00:09:20.940 not worshipping the devil.

00:09:22.160 So that's a really

00:09:23.400 great point

00:09:23.720 and your point

00:09:24.080 on legal immigration

00:09:24.920 is so important too

00:09:26.440 because even President Trump

00:09:28.280 and you know I love the guy

00:09:29.400 and he did a lot

00:09:30.900 to move the conversation

00:09:31.900 on immigration,

00:09:32.880 but he said,

00:09:33.560 I want more legal immigration

00:09:35.000 than ever.

00:09:35.860 It just can't be illegal.

00:09:37.240 It's got to be legal

00:09:38.000 and I sort of think

00:09:39.580 of the three positions

00:09:40.900 on immigration

00:09:41.700 as tired,

00:09:44.620 wired,

00:09:45.880 inspired.

00:09:46.800 You know,

00:09:47.040 the tired version

00:09:48.260 on immigration

00:09:48.880 is open the border,

00:09:50.020 let everybody come in,

00:09:50.840 no human being is illegal,

00:09:51.960 borders are awful, right?

00:09:53.320 Then the wired version

00:09:54.680 is we got to stop

00:09:55.620 the two million

00:09:56.180 illegal immigrants

00:09:57.080 that are coming

00:09:57.700 into our country

00:09:58.360 every year.

00:09:59.420 But then the inspired

00:10:00.200 version is,

00:10:00.860 well, hold on,

00:10:01.600 we're also taking

00:10:02.440 a million legal immigrants

00:10:04.120 every year

00:10:04.660 and we have

00:10:05.500 for the past 60 years

00:10:06.860 and it's the largest

00:10:07.980 movement of people

00:10:09.080 ever in recorded history

00:10:10.680 and nothing against

00:10:12.220 those people,

00:10:13.300 but how is a country

00:10:14.420 supposed to just

00:10:15.480 take in

00:10:16.300 three million people

00:10:17.620 a year

00:10:18.120 without any assimilation

00:10:19.820 and maintain anything

00:10:21.140 representing a coherent nation?

00:10:23.660 I just don't see

00:10:24.340 how that's even possible.

00:10:26.080 Yeah,

00:10:26.360 and it's funny

00:10:26.900 because people always say,

00:10:28.240 well,

00:10:28.860 you're like Vietnamese

00:10:30.000 and I'm also part Italian,

00:10:31.700 so we share that,

00:10:32.560 brother.

00:10:32.600 I can tell,

00:10:33.660 you just got that ethos

00:10:34.940 to you,

00:10:35.440 you know?

00:10:35.860 I don't know,

00:10:36.160 it's some of the spirit.

00:10:37.160 You know,

00:10:37.360 I always say,

00:10:38.260 like my brains

00:10:39.040 probably come from

00:10:39.600 the Vietnamese side

00:10:40.280 and then just my speaking,

00:10:41.500 you know,

00:10:41.700 like my person,

00:10:42.400 it's totally Italian.

00:10:43.400 The hands,

00:10:43.820 the hands are Italian.

00:10:45.280 You're real.

00:10:46.900 But,

00:10:47.940 you know,

00:10:48.440 they always bring that up

00:10:49.320 and,

00:10:49.840 you know,

00:10:50.240 it is true,

00:10:51.280 right?

00:10:51.600 Some of my family,

00:10:52.640 not all of them,

00:10:53.160 some of them came

00:10:53.900 as a result of the 1965

00:10:55.240 immigration system.

00:10:56.900 But,

00:10:57.640 you know,

00:10:58.040 it's like,

00:10:58.380 I'm an American,

00:10:59.420 right?

00:10:59.680 And I think it's actually

00:11:00.600 incredibly selfish to say,

00:11:02.240 well,

00:11:02.520 my family benefited

00:11:03.580 from the system,

00:11:04.380 therefore the rest of America

00:11:05.600 has to deal with that system

00:11:07.680 until the end of time.

00:11:08.660 Like,

00:11:08.940 people always frame it as,

00:11:10.120 oh,

00:11:10.260 you're like me,

00:11:10.920 you're not compassionate.

00:11:12.060 I am compassionate.

00:11:13.060 I'm very selfless for my own country

00:11:15.260 because I was born here,

00:11:16.460 right?

00:11:16.660 So I have no political ties

00:11:19.300 to Vietnam or Italy.

00:11:21.040 I have political ties to America.

00:11:22.680 And so it's my job

00:11:23.440 as an American patriot

00:11:24.340 to look at what's going on

00:11:26.160 in our country

00:11:26.780 and advocate what's best

00:11:28.200 for the people in this country.

00:11:29.620 Not some hypothetical caricature

00:11:31.420 of,

00:11:32.020 you know,

00:11:32.840 people who might be like

00:11:33.800 my family out there.

00:11:34.800 I mean,

00:11:35.120 you know,

00:11:35.400 God bless them.

00:11:36.220 But my duty

00:11:37.560 as an American conservative,

00:11:39.220 American patriot

00:11:39.940 is to look out for Americans.

00:11:41.860 And I think when you look

00:11:42.880 at the current system

00:11:43.600 objectively from that lens,

00:11:45.480 it's very hard to make the case

00:11:46.860 that this system works,

00:11:48.280 right?

00:11:48.560 The only case the libs

00:11:49.700 can ever make is like,

00:11:50.680 whoa,

00:11:51.260 but,

00:11:51.440 but,

00:11:51.580 but,

00:11:51.800 you know,

00:11:52.120 my family were immigrants

00:11:53.140 and you're an immigrant.

00:11:54.000 It's like,

00:11:54.740 but that's not an argument,

00:11:56.240 right?

00:11:56.420 We're talking,

00:11:56.840 we live in this country.

00:11:57.660 We have to do what's best

00:11:58.520 for this country,

00:11:59.060 not what's best for

00:11:59.860 our own in-group interests

00:12:01.400 or what's best for,

00:12:02.880 again,

00:12:03.000 a hypothetical caricature

00:12:04.040 of someone who's like us.

00:12:05.500 So.

00:12:05.880 I love the way you flipped

00:12:07.160 their slogan on its head

00:12:08.440 because I've heard

00:12:09.000 this slogan too.

00:12:09.920 You know,

00:12:10.080 half of my family

00:12:10.980 comes from the Mayflower.

00:12:12.400 The other half comes

00:12:13.160 from a sardine boat

00:12:14.140 and the sardine boat side.

00:12:16.160 You will sometimes hear

00:12:17.220 from my more liberal

00:12:18.120 friends and family members.

00:12:19.600 They'll say,

00:12:19.940 Michael,

00:12:20.400 it's so selfish of you.

00:12:22.300 Some of your ancestors

00:12:23.580 were able to come in

00:12:24.560 through immigration.

00:12:25.100 It's very selfish of you

00:12:26.640 to say that other people

00:12:27.920 can't come in

00:12:28.600 through immigration.

00:12:29.840 But what you're saying is,

00:12:30.660 no,

00:12:31.480 what is selfish

00:12:32.360 is claiming that

00:12:33.840 simply because

00:12:34.920 you and your family

00:12:35.920 have benefited

00:12:36.560 from a policy in history

00:12:38.340 that may at the time

00:12:40.680 have been relatively fine

00:12:42.120 but now is having

00:12:42.880 deleterious effects,

00:12:44.000 that simply because of that,

00:12:46.200 because of your own sense

00:12:47.720 of privilege,

00:12:49.280 that you therefore

00:12:49.980 have to inflict

00:12:50.920 a really harmful

00:12:52.760 political agenda

00:12:53.720 on the rest of the country.

00:12:55.440 That's what's selfish.

00:12:57.560 Yeah,

00:12:57.920 absolutely.

00:12:58.700 I mean,

00:12:58.940 you said it best right there.

00:13:00.680 I don't know what else

00:13:01.280 to say besides that.

00:13:02.080 That's a really good take

00:13:05.040 and I think a really way

00:13:05.840 to shove it right back

00:13:07.080 in their face.

00:13:07.940 I got a call

00:13:08.640 the other day

00:13:09.440 from a very prominent politician

00:13:11.880 who I did not know before.

00:13:13.440 I'd never spoken

00:13:13.960 with him before.

00:13:14.920 And he was just sort of

00:13:15.820 calling some people

00:13:16.880 to get a sense

00:13:17.640 of what young Americans

00:13:19.960 are thinking.

00:13:21.500 And so I said,

00:13:24.260 one of the more surprising

00:13:25.860 aspects of the youths

00:13:28.360 that I meet

00:13:29.440 going all around the country,

00:13:30.660 college campuses,

00:13:32.020 you know,

00:13:32.240 in my mind,

00:13:33.520 I'm still a youth myself,

00:13:34.720 but in reality,

00:13:35.380 I've become an old man

00:13:36.580 with two children

00:13:37.820 and a wife

00:13:38.380 living in the suburbs.

00:13:39.360 And so when I talk

00:13:40.080 to the real youths,

00:13:41.320 I see a phenomenon

00:13:44.080 that is the opposite

00:13:44.980 of what a lot of people

00:13:45.700 in Washington think.

00:13:47.220 A lot of people,

00:13:47.980 a lot of Washington politicians

00:13:49.000 believe that the youth

00:13:50.380 are very libertarian.

00:13:52.620 They're much more libertarian

00:13:53.740 on drugs,

00:13:54.680 on immigration,

00:13:55.760 on sexuality,

00:13:56.840 on family,

00:13:57.280 on just everything.

00:13:58.000 They just do whatever

00:13:58.600 you want to do.

00:13:59.560 And I said,

00:14:00.180 guys,

00:14:00.860 you're really

00:14:01.860 misunderstanding that.

00:14:02.820 That may have been

00:14:03.400 true 10 years ago.

00:14:04.500 The young conservatives

00:14:05.660 that I talk to,

00:14:07.060 and especially the ones

00:14:07.920 who are getting traction,

00:14:08.960 who are having a voice,

00:14:09.700 people like you,

00:14:10.480 Vince,

00:14:11.680 they tend to be

00:14:12.640 a little more concerned

00:14:14.080 with virtue.

00:14:15.500 Not merely

00:14:16.320 the freedoms

00:14:17.560 that we could have

00:14:18.760 in the abstract,

00:14:21.200 but what we are called

00:14:22.600 to do

00:14:23.160 with those freedoms,

00:14:24.420 lest we undermine

00:14:25.500 the entire political order.

00:14:26.920 Is that a fair assessment?

00:14:28.060 I think that

00:14:29.360 your average

00:14:30.380 kind of frat guy

00:14:31.660 who maybe like

00:14:32.340 votes Republican,

00:14:33.280 doesn't like,

00:14:33.780 or not votes,

00:14:34.460 but would be a Republican

00:14:35.860 or doesn't like Biden,

00:14:37.180 they're more libertarian,

00:14:38.380 but I think there is,

00:14:39.480 you're correct,

00:14:40.320 the type of people

00:14:41.160 that would show up

00:14:41.840 to an event like yours

00:14:42.660 and be engaged in the system,

00:14:43.880 there is this like

00:14:44.580 3%, 5% or whatever

00:14:46.160 that, yes,

00:14:47.560 is very concerned

00:14:48.680 with virtue

00:14:49.140 because we have grown up

00:14:50.760 entirely in a society

00:14:51.980 without it, right?

00:14:52.780 And I think a lot

00:14:53.660 of older people,

00:14:54.460 they still remember

00:14:55.120 the America

00:14:56.020 of the 50s

00:14:56.920 and the 60s

00:14:57.700 with the white picket fence

00:14:58.660 and all that

00:14:59.180 but we have been,

00:15:01.200 we have been raised

00:15:02.360 in a society

00:15:02.820 so depraved of virtue

00:15:03.840 that yes,

00:15:04.380 we are seeking virtue

00:15:06.100 and order and morality

00:15:07.020 in these things

00:15:07.640 and even if we're a minority

00:15:09.400 in the generation

00:15:10.180 because we are

00:15:11.340 the most active

00:15:12.420 and the most passionate

00:15:13.480 and some would say

00:15:15.040 the smartest,

00:15:15.760 I don't know.

00:15:16.640 Many people are talking about it.

00:15:18.700 Many people are saying this.

00:15:19.860 That's really how

00:15:21.180 political movements,

00:15:22.960 revolutions in a peaceful sense

00:15:24.360 begin is they don't begin

00:15:26.140 from the masses.

00:15:27.280 They begin from

00:15:27.760 like the founding fathers.

00:15:28.740 They begin from a

00:15:29.460 small group of elites

00:15:31.200 who really have the right

00:15:32.260 or sometimes the very wrong idea

00:15:33.700 in mind

00:15:34.140 that are like

00:15:35.060 driven,

00:15:36.160 committed,

00:15:36.740 passionate

00:15:37.100 and they end up being the ones

00:15:38.600 with the voice and the change

00:15:39.640 and this is the issue

00:15:40.760 with the left too, right?

00:15:42.280 Is I don't think

00:15:43.000 your average Gen Z

00:15:43.980 is like the kids on that panel

00:15:45.080 but your average political

00:15:46.340 liberal Democrat one is

00:15:48.220 because they're the loudest people

00:15:49.740 they're most vocal,

00:15:50.480 most passionate involved people

00:15:51.620 but I think when you look

00:15:52.680 at our side

00:15:53.420 and you know

00:15:54.400 the people in our generation

00:15:55.640 who are most involved

00:15:56.740 with conservative politics

00:15:58.280 and things like that

00:15:59.120 I think they're absolutely

00:16:00.060 the people you described

00:16:01.120 and so when we talk about

00:16:02.540 moving the Overton window

00:16:03.800 and kind of what our generation

00:16:05.380 of conservatives

00:16:06.080 is going to push for

00:16:06.840 I think you're very accurate

00:16:08.280 on that front.

00:16:09.240 And I love the observation

00:16:10.700 that the people

00:16:11.920 who actually move

00:16:13.760 the needle in politics

00:16:15.220 it's almost never

00:16:16.640 the majority of people

00:16:18.080 I mean for good

00:16:19.020 and for ill

00:16:19.520 the Bolsheviks

00:16:20.900 pretended that they

00:16:22.640 represented the majority

00:16:23.600 that's why they chose

00:16:24.360 the name Bolshevik

00:16:25.120 but they were a fringe

00:16:26.360 minority of radicals

00:16:28.260 and they had a huge impact

00:16:29.820 and you see this

00:16:30.960 throughout history

00:16:32.200 you see this with the people

00:16:33.960 who began the French Revolution

00:16:35.020 you see this with the people

00:16:36.440 who began the American Revolution

00:16:37.540 you see this always

00:16:39.180 with political movements

00:16:40.060 it's a very

00:16:40.980 concentrated core

00:16:43.960 of people who are committed

00:16:45.520 to an idea

00:16:46.020 who have a political vision

00:16:47.100 because as you point out

00:16:48.200 a lot of frat guys

00:16:49.780 I'm not knocking frat guys

00:16:51.000 some of my very best friends

00:16:52.120 are frat guys

00:16:52.700 okay

00:16:52.940 but a lot of people

00:16:55.180 just don't pay

00:16:56.620 very close attention

00:16:57.440 to politics

00:16:58.000 if right now

00:16:59.020 you are listening

00:16:59.680 to this interview

00:17:00.600 you pay more attention

00:17:02.340 to politics

00:17:03.020 than probably

00:17:03.860 99.3%

00:17:05.540 of people

00:17:06.620 most people

00:17:08.000 kind of want to

00:17:09.040 do their jobs

00:17:10.640 see their families

00:17:11.920 maybe

00:17:12.660 engage in a little

00:17:14.080 recreation

00:17:14.720 go fishing

00:17:15.400 watch some TV

00:17:16.240 go grilling

00:17:16.780 with their friends

00:17:17.440 and they don't want

00:17:18.180 to deal with

00:17:18.620 the intricacies

00:17:19.300 of whatever stupid thing

00:17:20.800 Elizabeth Warren

00:17:21.500 is saying that day

00:17:22.300 it's fine

00:17:23.040 I'm not knocking that at all

00:17:24.000 it's probably a healthier

00:17:24.660 way to live frankly

00:17:25.500 but as a result of that

00:17:27.660 if you are not

00:17:28.780 deeply engaged

00:17:29.840 in politics

00:17:30.400 you are just not

00:17:32.160 going to be

00:17:32.780 the person

00:17:34.260 who is leading

00:17:35.320 the revolution

00:17:36.000 right

00:17:36.380 whereas

00:17:36.980 when I go to

00:17:38.600 college campuses

00:17:39.340 I agree

00:17:40.560 obviously there's a

00:17:41.200 huge number of people

00:17:42.020 who say

00:17:42.520 hey

00:17:42.800 what's the big deal

00:17:44.180 with marriage

00:17:44.940 what's the big deal

00:17:46.160 even with gender

00:17:47.080 but the people

00:17:48.800 who are

00:17:49.240 articulating

00:17:50.580 coherent questions

00:17:52.000 on the left

00:17:53.360 and the right

00:17:54.020 for that matter

00:17:54.780 I mean

00:17:55.140 certainly on the right

00:17:55.920 but even the leftists

00:17:57.160 they have crazy views

00:17:58.300 on all of this stuff

00:17:59.000 but at least

00:17:59.880 there's

00:18:00.300 there's a kind

00:18:02.040 of coherence

00:18:02.920 to their bizarre

00:18:03.760 illogic

00:18:04.420 those are the people

00:18:05.840 who really have

00:18:06.620 the clear vision

00:18:07.240 and they're the ones

00:18:07.880 who have

00:18:08.160 let the men

00:18:08.920 into the women's bathroom

00:18:09.860 and they're the ones

00:18:10.600 who are going to

00:18:11.040 kick the men

00:18:11.480 out of the women's bathroom

00:18:12.500 if we're so lucky

00:18:13.360 to have that

00:18:14.340 so we've only got

00:18:15.220 about a minute left

00:18:16.020 Vince

00:18:16.320 but you're very young

00:18:18.240 you're very articulate

00:18:19.720 you've got a very clear

00:18:20.900 political vision

00:18:21.720 now you have a little bit

00:18:22.760 of prominence

00:18:23.420 what are you aiming at

00:18:25.660 for the country

00:18:26.600 if let's say

00:18:27.440 tomorrow

00:18:28.120 the 75 republicans

00:18:30.000 who are currently

00:18:30.460 running for president

00:18:31.220 drop out of the race

00:18:32.400 you find yourself

00:18:33.140 in 1600 Pennsylvania

00:18:34.300 what would you do?

00:18:36.340 That's a good question

00:18:37.260 I think the first thing

00:18:38.260 I'd have to do

00:18:39.020 and maybe this is where

00:18:40.620 we kind of

00:18:41.280 in a sense

00:18:41.800 agree with the

00:18:42.440 small government

00:18:43.060 types

00:18:43.460 quote unquote

00:18:43.900 is I think

00:18:45.000 in order for

00:18:45.760 a conservative

00:18:46.620 politician

00:18:47.680 to get anything

00:18:48.520 done at the federal level

00:18:49.600 we have to like

00:18:50.540 destroy the deep state

00:18:51.820 the bureaucracy

00:18:52.380 and for a while

00:18:53.980 I kind of was like

00:18:54.820 well maybe we could

00:18:55.680 use it in our own favor

00:18:57.160 we could use it

00:18:57.680 for ourselves

00:18:58.180 and then it's like

00:18:58.700 you know

00:18:58.860 the more I thought of it

00:18:59.720 like who built this stuff

00:19:00.860 FDR, LBJ

00:19:02.040 you know

00:19:02.340 like it was always

00:19:03.500 designed to work

00:19:04.120 against this

00:19:04.600 and I think in many ways

00:19:05.600 it's that federal

00:19:06.720 bureaucracy

00:19:07.180 that's just causing

00:19:08.200 a lot of different

00:19:08.900 problems for this country

00:19:09.820 and so I would say

00:19:11.560 there's a lot of like

00:19:12.500 I guess powerful

00:19:13.720 base things

00:19:14.780 that I want to do

00:19:15.500 but I think the first

00:19:16.780 thing we got to do

00:19:17.420 is really like

00:19:18.340 drain the deep state

00:19:19.260 fire all these people

00:19:20.200 and then maybe once

00:19:20.980 they're all out of the way

00:19:21.740 then we can talk about

00:19:22.980 using power

00:19:23.680 in our favor

00:19:24.660 to our advantage

00:19:25.400 that's what I'd probably say

00:19:26.460 and then at that point

00:19:27.320 you know

00:19:28.020 let's

00:19:29.280 let's you know

00:19:29.800 let's bring manufacturing

00:19:30.700 back to this country

00:19:31.640 let's try to

00:19:32.800 somehow solve the problem

00:19:34.740 of fixing

00:19:35.420 you know

00:19:35.720 the family crisis

00:19:36.660 let's you know

00:19:37.580 cut immigration

00:19:38.340 until we can figure out

00:19:39.200 what the heck

00:19:39.560 is going on

00:19:40.200 a lot of ideas

00:19:41.200 but I would say

00:19:42.260 first thing I try to do

00:19:43.220 is get rid of the deep state

00:19:44.120 that's going to stop

00:19:44.720 all those ideas

00:19:45.360 and very doable

00:19:46.320 to people who are

00:19:47.040 going to accuse you

00:19:47.740 of being pie in the sky

00:19:48.860 especially on like

00:19:49.760 the family issue

00:19:50.740 well how on earth

00:19:52.020 is the government

00:19:52.620 ever going to fix

00:19:53.160 the family issue

00:19:53.680 I would say

00:19:54.060 look at Hungary

00:19:54.740 Hungary actually has done that

00:19:56.260 it's the one country

00:19:57.560 we could start

00:19:59.300 with just trying

00:20:00.440 not to destroy the family

00:20:02.460 I mean that's a good start

00:20:03.840 right

00:20:04.100 stop the bleeding

00:20:04.880 first do no harm

00:20:06.500 that's that's right

00:20:07.380 and to your point

00:20:08.480 on the bureaucracy

00:20:09.260 you know

00:20:11.300 the federal bureaucracy

00:20:12.160 is something like

00:20:13.280 2 million people

00:20:14.260 and so

00:20:15.640 in order to have

00:20:16.880 any effect on it at all

00:20:17.840 you would have to replace

00:20:18.580 at least 50,000 people

00:20:19.760 and the actual

00:20:21.540 replacements that occur

00:20:23.260 in presidential administrations

00:20:24.380 is about 4,000 to 5,000

00:20:25.520 so

00:20:25.760 we're nowhere near that

00:20:27.240 right now

00:20:27.640 the principle of subsidiarity

00:20:29.360 of having decisions

00:20:30.640 made at the most local level

00:20:31.740 at which they can be done

00:20:32.540 competently

00:20:33.080 it's very conservative

00:20:34.360 principle

00:20:34.800 it's very Christian principle

00:20:35.880 and then even to the point

00:20:37.620 of wielding the bureaucracy

00:20:38.920 to our advantage

00:20:40.300 I'm not saying

00:20:40.780 it can't be done

00:20:41.500 it has been done

00:20:42.140 in the past

00:20:42.600 but to your point

00:20:43.200 you gotta fire

00:20:44.220 like pretty much

00:20:45.240 everybody to do it

00:20:46.340 and back when the conservatives

00:20:47.720 did wield the bureaucracy

00:20:48.760 in a way that was

00:20:49.440 sometimes successful

00:20:51.400 they did so

00:20:52.420 through the spoil system

00:20:53.440 they did so

00:20:53.900 through replacing

00:20:54.600 that bureaucracy

00:20:55.320 pretty regularly

00:20:56.640 and so I think

00:20:57.460 I think you're absolutely

00:20:58.620 onto something Vince

00:21:00.360 and I think you've

00:21:01.320 said it very very well

00:21:02.760 and I think you totally

00:21:04.200 owned those libs

00:21:05.260 most important of all

00:21:06.220 I think you totally

00:21:07.120 which is really important

00:21:09.120 because as I've always

00:21:10.540 argued

00:21:11.240 when we own the libs

00:21:12.680 we have to own the libs

00:21:13.620 for a purpose

00:21:14.240 and it's to show people

00:21:15.280 that the ideas

00:21:16.660 that they're offering

00:21:17.460 are a total failure

00:21:19.400 and that the vision

00:21:21.020 that we have to offer

00:21:22.080 is clear enough

00:21:23.580 that it can knock down

00:21:24.660 all that piffle

00:21:25.380 pretty pretty quickly

00:21:26.180 you did that very

00:21:26.900 very successfully

00:21:27.800 Vince where can people

00:21:28.820 find you?

00:21:29.720 You can find me

00:21:30.400 on my YouTube channel

00:21:31.300 it's just my name

00:21:32.160 Vince Dow

00:21:33.000 D-A-O

00:21:33.660 and then you can find

00:21:34.860 all my social medias

00:21:35.820 too from there

00:21:36.640 but YouTube channel

00:21:37.760 probably the main thing

00:21:38.620 I'd plug

00:21:39.000 Alright go follow Vince

00:21:40.500 everybody

00:21:40.800 I'm Michael Knowles

00:21:41.680 this is the Michael Knowles Show

00:21:42.720 see you tomorrow

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