The Michael Knowles Show - Who Won？ Andrew Tate Vs Piers Morgan ｜ Michael RATES Viral Debate

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00:00:06.940 made a name for himself giving advice to anyone and everyone who will listen. Now, Andrew Tate

00:00:15.860 has sat down for an interview with Piers Morgan. It has gone completely viral, millions and millions

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00:01:46.200 I think my sister is her husband's property, yes. When a bride is walking down the aisle to marry 1.00

00:01:55.560 the groom, the father walks next to her and gives her away. True or false?

00:02:00.680 Absolutely. But I've been married twice, as it turns out. And on both occasions,

00:02:04.800 I didn't believe the woman was being handed to me as chattel. Regardless of what Andrew Tate is about

00:02:10.240 to say or even what was ever was in the clip, I do think he made a slight mistake there coming out

00:02:15.040 of that clip. He immediately got defensive. Before, Piers Morgan ever asked him a question.

00:02:20.400 Of course, of course. What do you think? Where that would seem to imply that something he said

00:02:26.560 was demanding of a defense. When if he really believes what was said in the clip, he would just

00:02:32.500 sit there quietly and sort of confidently and wait for the question to be asked. So already,

00:02:37.780 I could see how this interview started to go wrong. He's already, he started out from a position of

00:02:43.580 defending and trying to explain a little. And if you're in that defensive position, you're already

00:02:49.780 losing. So would you rephrase what you said there? Now what, that's an interesting point about phrasing.

00:02:54.700 The way I would say things before I was famous, I have to take personal responsibility and accept

00:02:59.380 that if I make a video that 500 people see and 1% of them misunderstand it, that's not a problem.

00:03:04.840 If I make a video that 5 million people see and 1% of them understand it.

00:03:08.580 So specifically on that point, I think my sister is a husband's property.

00:03:11.960 She took his last name. She married him. She wanted to join his family. She has said it herself.

00:03:17.580 Right. So this is just not a good argument. If he's saying man has a leadership role in the

00:03:22.880 household or even, you know, man is the head of woman as Christ is the head of the church or

00:03:27.820 something like that, that would be one thing. But to say that therefore, because she takes his name,

00:03:31.980 she's his property, that doesn't make sense. This leftist Tears Tumblr is my property.

00:03:36.240 It's not, you know, the leftist Tears Tumblr Knowles. It's just a complete non-sequitur.

00:03:41.020 I think the argument he's making is a wrong one to begin with, which is why Piers Morgan is attacking

00:03:46.160 him. But he's not doing a very good job defending it.

00:03:49.240 Listen, my friend, if we want to argue about this, we need to go back to the Bible, to the

00:03:52.220 Quran. You need to argue with religious people. 1.00

00:03:53.500 No, no. I'm not talking about anything in the Bible or Quran.

00:03:55.900 But that's what it says.

00:03:56.760 No, no. I'm asking you what you think.

00:03:57.820 I think that if a woman marries a man and she decides to take his last name, that they have 0.71

00:04:01.380 different roles and responsibilities within that marriage. And I believe that.

00:04:04.140 True. That's not the question.

00:04:04.720 True.

00:04:05.020 She is handed, I believe the father, the father hands her.

00:04:08.160 Don't behave like a politician.

00:04:09.400 The father hands her to the man.

00:04:11.000 Right, but don't be a politician because I think you're a straight talker, right?

00:04:13.520 You keep telling me you're a straight talker.

00:04:15.120 I think my sister is her husband's property. Do you regret saying it like that?

00:04:18.440 I understand that with my newfound fame, perhaps it could be phrased differently.

00:04:21.880 However, I still believe that a woman is given to the man in marriage. 0.96

00:04:24.480 Take a pause. He's in a tough position because it's just a false statement.

00:04:28.900 It just isn't true. I'm pretty trad. I totally love gender roles. And I believe in marriage as

00:04:36.260 marriage is traditionally understood. And I'm on board with all of that. But it just is not the

00:04:42.640 case that the wife is the property of the husband to be considered like all of the husband's

00:04:49.340 other property. That is not a Christian understanding of marriage. That is not the

00:04:53.460 traditional understanding of marriage within our own culture. So it's an indefensible position.

00:04:57.780 I don't know if Tate believes it or not. He keeps saying, well, I would have, you know,

00:05:01.360 maybe, you know, I offended some people or they misunderstood it or whatever. But it's just,

00:05:05.520 it's just a losing point. Either he could change his opinion or he could just move on. But there's

00:05:10.580 no way that he's going to win by doubling down on something that just isn't, isn't true.

00:05:14.960 Yeah, but not as property.

00:05:16.920 Property is the word that other people use when they ask me the question.

00:05:19.360 But you're using it when you answer the question. That's what marriage actually means.

00:05:24.000 He's showing you here why he is losing to peers in this moment. When he's trying to explain what

00:05:29.900 happened in these previous interviews, he goes, yeah, but property, that's not my word. That's

00:05:33.000 the word that was used in the questions. Right. And it's your responsibility when you're conveying your

00:05:37.820 arguments to not just take the bait and all the kind of leading silly premises of the questions that

00:05:44.320 you're asked. You might be asked some dumb question. Hey, Andrew Tate, when was the last time you

00:05:48.060 beat your wife? To use a classic example, you don't need to say, uh, uh, uh, well, what, you know,

00:05:52.320 that's a, that's a silly premise that sets you up to lose. You should reject the premise and say,

00:05:57.340 what are you talking about property? I think man has a leadership role in the household.

00:06:02.340 That would be controversial enough. But if you, if you take the bait on the question,

00:06:06.800 you're boxing yourself into a corner and now he doesn't know how to get out of it.

00:06:09.800 They asked.

00:06:10.280 You can't blame people for asking you questions. Surely if you want to be accountable for what you've

00:06:15.500 said, you've got to own your responses. Don't blame the question. I own the response.

00:06:19.680 Let me ask you a question now and you say something and then say, well, actually I blame you for asking

00:06:23.240 it. I understand, Piers. Piers, I understand. I believe the woman is given to the man. I believe 0.94

00:06:25.900 she's given away by the father. I believe she belongs to the man. So you do. So fundamentally,

00:06:29.220 right. So fundamentally, you do believe that a woman becomes a man's property. I believe she 1.00

00:06:33.920 belongs to the man in marriage. Correct. Right. That's a little different. That to me is misogyny.

00:06:38.440 And you're entitled to your opinion. Right. But do you, do you not understand why people think it is

00:06:42.040 misogyny? I understand why some people can be very offended by what I say. What they do is they take

00:06:46.440 a point like that and they ignore all the other points I make the other way around. That's why

00:06:49.440 I've repeatedly asked you about that line to see if you've changed your position. But the reality is

00:06:55.060 you haven't. It's not about changing positions. I'm a full grown adult and I stick by the things

00:06:58.560 I say. The reality is he has. Which by the way is fine. Absolutely. You can tell that's why he's

00:07:02.420 trying to get out of this little exchange. You said, you know, I wouldn't maybe say things the same

00:07:06.200 way now that I did before I was famous. And yet actually you've doubled down and said exactly the same

00:07:10.200 thing. On certain points. So that is what you believe. That's my point. Yes. I'm trying to

00:07:13.740 work out. Look, I don't know you. We've just met, right? Yeah. I'm trying to work out who Andrew Tate

00:07:18.020 is and what you actually believe. I don't want to twist anything at all. Then let me make it very,

00:07:22.140 very clear to the camera. I believe a woman is given to the man in marriage. I believe that. 1.00

00:07:25.760 I also believe a man has a duty to protect and provide for her. He's obviously saying that a woman 0.99

00:07:30.680 is not property, right? To say a woman is given to a man in marriage and that a woman,

00:07:35.980 that the wife belongs to the husband in a very deep sense, that's very different. 0.90

00:07:40.200 Than saying the woman belongs to the man in the way that the leftist years tumbler belongs to me

00:07:43.980 as property. And to say that the man has a responsibility toward the woman to protect the

00:07:48.100 woman, that's very different than saying the woman is property. I don't have a responsibility to 0.90

00:07:51.980 protect my leftist years tumbler. I could throw it against a wall and go buy a new one. Man can't do

00:07:55.820 the same thing for his wife, or at least he certainly shouldn't do that. So, and what Piers wants to do

00:08:00.100 here is also sort of dishonest because he keeps trying to say, that's still your opinion. That's still your

00:08:04.380 opinion. But if you're listening to what Andrew Tate is saying, he's clearly saying that is not my

00:08:08.180 opinion. The implication I think is I said a dumb, completely indefensible thing, but I don't want

00:08:13.140 to admit that I said a dumb, indefensible thing. So I'm trying to both defend my view. I'm trying

00:08:19.180 to say I stand by my views, but then change the view in what I'm explaining. And it's just

00:08:24.060 difficult to listen to.

00:08:26.960 If something happens or his wife's life is threatened, I believe that women and children

00:08:31.120 first are on the lifeboat. I believe that men- But a man doesn't own a woman. 0.93

00:08:35.140 It's not, no. It's-

00:08:36.080 I just say literally buy them as a slave.

00:08:38.400 Well, obviously we're not talking about that. We're talking about religious,

00:08:40.360 biblical marriage. We're talking about something else.

00:08:42.480 Yeah, but I'm a Christian. I don't believe that I own my wife.

00:08:46.680 Do you believe your wife was given away to you when she took your last name?

00:08:48.840 I believe that there is a process where a father traditionally walks his daughter down

00:08:53.120 the aisle and hands his daughter to this man, and they stand there and become a union

00:08:57.960 of two loving people in a partnership. No. There's no ownership involved.

00:09:02.560 I didn't say ownership.

00:09:03.060 He's not selling her. The father of the bride isn't selling his daughter.

00:09:06.940 No, absolutely.

00:09:07.760 That's what property means.

00:09:08.940 She becomes a member of your family.

00:09:10.200 It's not like a house, is it?

00:09:10.900 I think we're arguing over semantics.

00:09:12.840 We're not, though, because fundamentally I don't believe-

00:09:14.980 You are, but semantics means meaning. So yes, we are always arguing over semantics.

00:09:19.360 Well, I don't think we live in the world of slavery. I don't own any man or any woman.

00:09:22.160 Right.

00:09:22.400 Nobody owns anybody.

00:09:23.000 When you use phrases like property, that's what you imply.

00:09:26.180 I understand.

00:09:26.700 And so my point, again, is you're a smart guy, right? There's no denying that. You're

00:09:30.280 a smart, you're a good talker. I've seen a lot of the stuff. What I don't think you

00:09:33.600 quite fully understand-

00:09:35.020 No, I understand very well, Piers.

00:09:36.020 When young, impressionable people who are not as smart see things like, I think my sister

00:09:41.820 is a husband's property, yes, and you've just reaffirmed that belief, they think that

00:09:46.880 they have the right to own women.

00:09:48.480 I understand that very well, Piers.

00:09:50.340 That's why people think you're a misogynist.

00:09:51.940 Completely. I understand all of this very well, which is why when you're saying I was backtracking,

00:09:55.660 I'm not. Do you have any regret, though, of the way you phrased this stuff?

00:09:58.380 Well, this is the point I was trying to make. The point I'm trying to make is, when I was

00:10:02.460 not nearly as famous, and I was making long format content, I was not sitting there anticipating

00:10:07.100 I'd become the most Googled man on the planet, and that a few seconds could be taken out of

00:10:10.260 context. That was not my anticipation.

00:10:11.760 No, but it's still what you believe. It's what you believe now. So what's the difference?

00:10:14.600 It's manifestly not what he believes. You just listen to what he's saying.

00:10:17.600 Young people who are impressive.

00:10:18.300 If you said to me, look, look, Piers, honestly, I've had time to think about this.

00:10:20.700 He just doesn't want to admit he's wrong.

00:10:21.680 He just said it. I don't believe that. That's one thing. Actually, you've said the opposite.

00:10:24.840 You said, actually, that's what I think. Yeah.

00:10:26.140 I think that when a...

00:10:27.480 It doesn't really matter whether you recorded it when he's famous or not famous. It's what

00:10:31.040 you actually believe, right?

00:10:32.320 I believe that a man has a duty to protect and provide for a woman. I believe that a

00:10:37.040 woman's father gives her away to the man. That's what I believe. And that's in my marriage, 0.56

00:10:40.640 that's the circumstance I'm going to live under. If people want to live in a different

00:10:43.780 scenario, that's completely theirs. They're prerogative.

00:10:46.180 You went on to say about authority over women. If I have a responsibility over it, I must have a degree 0.99

00:10:50.660 of authority. For the same reason, if I have responsibility over it and people are going

00:10:54.560 to use their mind, it's an example and analogy. Responsibility over a child, I have to have

00:10:58.780 some authority. So you believe as part of your ownership or your property of the woman,

00:11:05.000 you have authority over her.

00:11:06.640 No, I believe if you have responsibility...

00:11:08.000 That's what you said.

00:11:08.820 I believe if you have responsibility over something, you have to have a degree of authority

00:11:12.140 or you can't be responsible.

00:11:13.100 Yeah, but authority...

00:11:13.660 That's obviously true.

00:11:14.200 Again, that you're the boss.

00:11:15.320 The point I'm making, if you'll please let me show this point, the point I was trying

00:11:19.680 to make was talking about the safety of a woman.

00:11:21.360 So now, Andrew Tate, it's almost the opposite problem in the first part. The first part when

00:11:28.260 he says the woman is the man's property, that's just silly and it's not true. And he shouldn't

00:11:35.320 defend it. And if he doesn't want to come off as weak and like he's backtracking, then

00:11:39.280 he should just try to move on and say, yeah, whatever. Here's what I believe. You ask me

00:11:42.200 what I believe? Here's what I believe. Well, do you believe that a woman's... 1.00

00:11:45.100 I just told you what I believe. And just move on. Now he gets to the question of does

00:11:49.600 a husband have authority, a certain kind of authority in the household? Duh. Is the husband

00:11:55.520 in a certain sense the boss of the marriage? Duh. So here he should just completely double

00:12:01.960 down. But he's so been off-footed. And Piers Morgan is very good at this, at off-footing

00:12:05.340 people at the very top of the interview. He's so been off-footed. He goes, well, no, actually,

00:12:08.880 that's not exactly what I mean. But he should just double down and be like, yep, absolutely,

00:12:11.640 yeah. A husband has particular authority in a marriage. So you're saying that the man is

00:12:16.920 somehow the sort of the boss in the marriage? Yes, ultimately. I mean, it's not a tyranny,

00:12:21.420 one hopes. One hopes that it's actually the union of two people into one flesh, you know.

00:12:25.620 But yes, ultimately, the man has a leadership role in the marriage. Duh. Deal with it, Piers.

00:12:31.120 He was too strident and obstinate in the first answer. And I fear he's not obstinate enough in

00:12:37.400 the second answer. Just stand up for it. You said something that's perfectly fine. Stick by it.

00:12:40.840 And I was saying, well, I wouldn't let my woman walk alone at night. And they said, well,

00:12:43.740 you're not in charge of her. You don't get to decide what she does. I said, I understand.

00:12:46.160 But if I'm responsible for her safety, and I'm the person who's burdened with making sure she is

00:12:49.820 safe, I have to have the authority to say, don't put yourself in unsafe situations. The two things

00:12:53.740 are linked. Well, you don't have authority. You can absolutely have the right to say to the woman

00:12:59.080 you're with, I don't think you should. But ultimately... If she decides, then I can't force her.

00:13:03.280 Right. So authority implies that you have the ability... Yes, you can. You're her husband.

00:13:06.960 You can say, don't go down dark alleys at night. You can. You have the right to say that.

00:13:11.660 It's actually two liberals arguing with one another on these total liberal grounds of just

00:13:17.740 individuals with no ties of loyalty or obligation to one another, just freely choosing whatever the

00:13:24.240 hell they want. And Andrew Tate is as guilty of that silly premise as Piers Morgan is. But no,

00:13:30.300 if you enter into a marriage, you surrender some of your individualism and your autonomy.

00:13:35.520 The man surrenders some of his, the woman surrenders some of hers. And the man absolutely has the right, 0.99

00:13:41.000 and as far as I'm concerned, the obligation to say, hey, wife of mine, even if you want to go

00:13:46.660 down a dangerous dark alleyway at night and put your life at risk, I'm not going to let you do that.

00:13:52.820 And I don't really care what your individual autonomy says. I, as your husband, am telling you,

00:13:57.460 don't put yourself in that very dangerous situation. He's got to be a little more

00:14:01.440 authoritarian. It's going to be a little, a little more conservative than, uh, they tell me this guy's

00:14:06.400 the most right-wing guy on the planet. That's not a, that's a very liberal answer that he's giving.

00:14:10.520 If you think I'm going to lock somebody up in their room, if that's, is that what you're

00:14:13.860 implying? No, I just say, I don't think you know what authority means. I know what it means.

00:14:16.920 I'm saying that if I have responsibility for her safety, then I have to have the authority,

00:14:22.060 authority to tell her not to do unsafe. Yeah, but authority means that you have some form of

00:14:25.420 control over this woman. I think you're trying to, I'm only trying to get to what you think.

00:14:29.660 Honestly, I am. I come with no agenda here at all. I understand. And I'm explaining very,

00:14:33.740 very clearly. If I have responsibility over said subject, I have to have authority over it. So let

00:14:38.280 me say you have children, right? Right. You have responsibility for that. No, I have, I have

00:14:41.600 legal authority over my children. That is very different to having legal authority over my wife 0.99

00:14:46.540 or my female partner. Completely. But the point I'm trying to make. So you accept that?

00:14:49.580 But you know, if you're in a marriage, you have a legal authority. He used the analogy of

00:14:52.500 responsibility. Certainly in sacramental marriage. My friend, these are, these are very.

00:14:55.940 These are actually really important things. They're important things, but you interrupt,

00:14:58.540 you interrupt me every five seconds. So it's hard for me to actually explain my point.

00:15:02.540 The point I'm making here is very simple. You have children and you're responsible for their

00:15:06.460 safety. So you're going to have authority to say, don't go out at night, perhaps because you

00:15:09.420 want them to be safe. I have legal authority. You have a legal authority, legal authority. I'm saying that if I had a

00:15:13.920 woman and the question where you've raised this soundbite from, I was asked about protecting a woman, 1.00

00:15:19.060 making sure she's safe. And I would say, I wouldn't want her to go out at night on her own

00:15:22.520 because I'm responsible for her safety. And someone said, well, you don't have authority

00:15:27.000 over to do that. And I said, well, no, I can't force her to stay inside. But if she were to ask

00:15:30.360 me, how do I protect myself at night? I would say, well, you should stay inside. That's how you

00:15:33.500 should do it. I don't have an issue with what you said.

00:15:35.640 So we agree.

00:15:36.380 No, no.

00:15:36.900 It's the semantics.

00:15:37.420 They do agree, unfortunately, and they're both wrong on this topic.

00:15:40.320 You quite get why there's a furore over what you say, with respect, because the semantics point

00:15:45.980 would be if we're saying the same thing in different ways. But we're not. I'm saying

00:15:49.720 to you that when you say I have to have some authority over a woman, I say to you, you have 1.00

00:15:53.720 no right to any authority over a woman. 0.99

00:15:56.220 Right, because you're a liberal, Piers, and you don't recognize the obligations that men

00:16:01.580 have to women and women have to men. 0.98

00:16:02.700 You're a guardian or authority over a woman. 0.74

00:16:04.720 And unfortunately, Tate seems to be agreeing.

00:16:06.260 Legally appointed, absolutely not. I agree. However, when it comes to things like personal

00:16:10.560 responsibility or personal safety, men, largely by society, are accepted. We're the

00:16:14.580 protectors and providers. We can sit here and pretend that in the world we live in, if

00:16:17.700 me and my wife were walking down the street and men were to come up and try and attack

00:16:20.280 us, I wouldn't be the one fighting. But we both know, in reality, I would.

00:16:23.100 Right.

00:16:23.280 I have a degree of responsibility to protect her. So if I have a degree of responsibility

00:16:27.700 to protect her physically, then the point I'm trying to make is I will do my best to

00:16:31.460 make sure she's never putting herself in unsafe situations.

00:16:33.140 Do you wish you hadn't used-

00:16:33.940 Go further. And you have the authority to do it. Stick with your first point, man.

00:16:38.000 She would come to me and say, how can I make sure I'm as safe as possible?

00:16:41.820 But I don't want to interrupt you. I just want to point out that's not what authority

00:16:44.940 means.

00:16:45.720 If someone gives-

00:16:46.280 Yeah, Piers is right about that. Voluntary authority is not authority.

00:16:49.580 No, but that's the point.

00:16:50.680 It's not. Piers is totally right here. He's not right about his view of marriage and what

00:16:55.480 a big lib he is. But he is right about authority has a meaning. And Andrew Tate is trying to run

00:17:00.220 away from that meaning because he doesn't want to sound like an authoritarian, which is considered

00:17:04.520 the absolute worst thing you could be these days. His point was correct in the first

00:17:07.980 place. Yes. A husband has a certain authority over his wife. Full stop. End of story. There

00:17:14.720 it is. That's not absolute. It is not permitted to exceed the bounds of right reason and the

00:17:21.040 moral order and be arbitrary and capricious. But a man, a husband, has a certain authority

00:17:27.140 over his wife. Yes. That's part of marriage. Just, you had it. You were right in the first 0.89

00:17:31.640 place. Say that to Piers and move on.

00:17:33.860 A woman comes to me and says, I want you to keep me safe. She is handing me authority 0.96

00:17:37.840 for her safety. But do you understand the difference between having authority over somebody and

00:17:42.760 somebody giving you permission to have authority? Completely. I never said that. One is consensual

00:17:47.580 and one isn't. But why are we pretending I do? But marriage is that consent to the authority

00:17:53.180 of the husband. I have to have some authority. And the point. Only if I'm responsible for her 0.97

00:17:57.380 safety. If I'm not responsible for her safety, I don't have authority. That was sad. That was sad

00:18:01.460 because he just, he made the opposite errors. In the first bit, he tried to defend a stupid point

00:18:09.380 that genuinely is, I don't like to throw around the word misogynistic, but it's as close to 0.99

00:18:15.900 misogynistic as it gets. And it's just dumb and it's not a good point. The point that he was trying

00:18:22.600 to substitute into its place actually was a good point that the husband belongs to the wife and the

00:18:27.380 wife belongs to the husband and this looks a certain way and they have particular roles. Yeah, of course. 0.99

00:18:31.620 But he should have just ditched that first point that Piers wanted him to defend and stood by the

00:18:35.920 thing he was actually explaining in the clip. In the second one, he should have stood by the point

00:18:40.120 he originally made and not gone on to his explanation, which basically just tried to

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00:18:50.300 Instead of going from here to here to here, he should have just been right down the middle.

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00:20:24.000 Do you respect women? Absolutely. Why wouldn't I? Do you think that 18, 19-year-old women are more

00:20:29.240 attractive than 25-year-old women? I think there's attractive people. That's a loaded question. 0.99

00:20:34.420 I don't know. Well, it's not really, is it? I can't say that. You know why I'm asking it.

00:20:37.660 Of course I do, but I can't sit here and say- Well, for the benefit of viewers who don't know

00:20:40.260 why I'm asking, you said this. In general, this is also one of the reasons men find youth

00:20:44.360 attractive. You want to blow up the internet? I'll blow up the internet right effing now. 1.00

00:20:48.340 The reason 18 and 19-year-olds are more attractive than 25-year-olds is because they've been through

00:20:53.040 less d***. People say, oh, you can't say that, but yes, I can. A 19-year-old is more attractive

00:20:58.520 than a 26-year-old woman, and I'll tell you why. Because that 26-year-old has talked to more guys, 1.00

00:21:03.060 been to the club more times, been effed and dumped more times, more arguments,

00:21:07.660 more mess, more for me to clean up. That is misogyny. 0.87

00:21:12.260 Why? Because you are encouraging a mindset about 25-year-old women that makes them sound 1.00

00:21:17.540 out to be infinitely less desirable than 18, 19-year-olds.

00:21:21.500 You couldn't call that misogyny. You would call it 25-year-old phobia or something,

00:21:27.560 anti-25-year-old rhetoric. But he's not attacking women. He's not criticizing women or insulting

00:21:33.020 women. He's insulting 25-year-olds. And it's on a faulty premise, I think. It's on the premise

00:21:37.160 of the sexual revolution that just women are going to be promiscuous, and that's inevitable, 1.00

00:21:41.760 and it's true of all women. So the issue he has is not that a 25-year-old is less attractive than

00:21:48.180 an 18-year-old just by the virtue of being 25. The premise that's going into this is that the 25-year-old

00:21:53.540 has just slept with a bunch of men, which may very likely be the case in our culture, but it also may 0.99

00:21:58.280 not be the case because the 25-year-old might be chaste and modest. And in fact, it could be the case

00:22:04.200 that the 18- or 19-year-old has slept with more men than the 25-year-old. So if that's really the

00:22:08.480 issue that Andrew Tate is talking about, then the age is really just a kind of shorthand for what

00:22:15.220 he's saying, which is that he finds women who are less promiscuous to be more attractive than women

00:22:21.480 who are more promiscuous. And that is, broadly speaking, true. He's suggesting that modesty is a

00:22:29.860 greater virtue for women than promiscuity, which is obviously true. And Piers Morgan says that this 0.99

00:22:35.520 is misogynistic. He's saying it's somehow anti-woman to suggest that women don't allow

00:22:41.120 themselves to be used for the physical pleasure of men who are going to throw them in the trash the 0.90

00:22:45.560 minute that they're done with them and they've had their pleasure. But that's quite the opposite.

00:22:49.500 It's actually very pro-woman to say, hey, ladies, the sexual revolution is a total scam. Don't let 1.00

00:22:54.220 yourself get used by men for their sexual pleasure. Don't let the guy get the milk for free instead of 0.98

00:22:58.900 buying the cow. Speaking of Andrew Tate's impolitic comments on property. Actually,

00:23:04.460 Andrew Tate is giving much more pro-woman advice here than Piers Morgan seems to be doing. Andrew

00:23:09.800 Tate has this quality that I think Alex Jones has. Alex Jones has this quality where he very often

00:23:15.480 says true things in the least believable way possible. So he'll say something that's true.

00:23:21.520 He'll say like, two plus two equals four. But instead of just saying two plus two equals four,

00:23:25.080 he'll be ripping his shirt off and, you know, screaming, two plus two equals four. And if you

00:23:30.860 don't believe in that, then you believe in the aliens and the Tricoms and the whatever, you know.

00:23:35.100 And but what he's saying actually is very often true. And Andrew Tate has this issue here. He's

00:23:40.120 saying, hey, women, you should be more modest and not allow yourself to be used by a bunch of dudes 1.00

00:23:44.400 that will actually in the long run make you more attractive to men and more attractive to better

00:23:48.780 men. But he somehow manages to say it in the most vulgar, grotesque, and offensive way.

00:23:54.380 He possibly can. But the point is totally true.

00:23:56.780 Well, firstly, even if that was the case, that wouldn't be misogyny.

00:23:59.620 Well, what did you mean by what you said?

00:24:01.020 That's not misogyny because it's not anti-women. I'm saying that an 18 or a 19 year old woman 0.99

00:24:04.780 would be more desirable.

00:24:05.400 It's pretty anti-25 year old women. 1.00

00:24:06.760 Anti-25 year old women, we can argue, but not misogyny. 1.00

00:24:08.860 Well, that's misogyny.

00:24:09.760 No, no, no, it's not.

00:24:10.880 Being anti-any woman at all is misogyny.

00:24:13.100 Not when I'm not when I'm saying that women are beautiful and attractive at a certain age and

00:24:16.380 saying the age is.

00:24:16.900 You're saying 18, 19 years are more attractive than 25 years.

00:24:19.180 Than ageist, perhaps, but misogynistic, absolutely not.

00:24:21.580 But you just accepted it was misogyny.

00:24:23.560 No, I didn't.

00:24:24.120 You said it was misogyny.

00:24:25.220 I'm telling you, no, it's not.

00:24:26.140 So you don't think if you're saying slightly hateful things about a 25-year-old woman... 0.98

00:24:30.180 That's not slightly hateful.

00:24:31.320 Well, it is.

00:24:32.100 You say that to a woman's face if she's 25? 1.00

00:24:34.120 It's not slightly hateful.

00:24:35.100 So you would go up to a 25-year-old woman and tell her exactly what I've just read about?

00:24:37.780 Why would I walk up to a random 25-year-old woman... 1.00

00:24:39.900 You said it in public on the internet, and it's been listened to and watched by millions

00:24:43.780 and millions of young, impressionable boys.

00:24:45.280 Correct.

00:24:45.620 There was a large panel.

00:24:47.100 There was a conversation.

00:24:48.240 There was hours-longs of conversation.

00:24:49.960 There were feminists attacking men for toxic masculinity and attacking me and saying things. 1.00

00:24:54.320 And I said things back which were going to antagonize them.

00:24:55.940 But I think, see, I'm...

00:24:57.280 Which you've done yourself a bunch of times.

00:24:59.500 I think a lot of allegations of toxic masculinity are not toxic.

00:25:03.940 Correct.

00:25:04.200 I do think that kind of sentence that I've just read out, that paragraph, is actually toxic.

00:25:11.720 If you genuinely mean...

00:25:13.140 It's toxic to say women don't sleep around with a bunch of dudes?

00:25:16.040 Said it in public about...

00:25:16.920 It's not toxic.

00:25:18.400 That's medicinal.

00:25:20.360 You probably do, too.

00:25:21.940 I don't think it's misogynistic.

00:25:23.200 I understand why it can be insulting.

00:25:24.480 You wouldn't say it to a woman's face. 0.97

00:25:26.160 Well, it depends.

00:25:27.180 You're making out like I'm walking around the street going up to a random 25-year-old woman.

00:25:29.840 You're doing it to tens of millions of people online.

00:25:32.300 There's no difference.

00:25:32.960 Not at all.

00:25:33.560 Oh, then it's no difference.

00:25:34.700 So then he would do it.

00:25:35.660 You hear Piers Morgan says, you would never say that to a woman's face.

00:25:38.460 Andrew Tate says, why would I walk up to a random woman and say that?

00:25:41.560 And Piers Morgan says, well, you do it online.

00:25:43.180 There's no difference.

00:25:44.320 Okay, if there's no difference, then I guess he would say it to a woman's face. 0.93

00:25:47.120 Clearly, Piers Morgan is just offended that Andrew Tate thinks that young women shouldn't

00:25:52.020 sleep around with random dudes.

00:25:53.980 And why Piers Morgan is offended by this, I don't know.

00:25:58.200 But Andrew Tate here is making the good, wholesome, pro-woman argument. 0.94

00:26:02.640 And Piers Morgan, wittingly or unwillingly, is leading those poor young girls astray.

00:26:08.680 Young boys, right, in their teens, are you comfortable that they would have that mindset?

00:26:13.960 Be honest.

00:26:14.740 I think that young boys in their teens lack life experience.

00:26:17.440 They lack nuance.

00:26:18.520 And they need to be very, very careful what they're digesting online, whether it's my content

00:26:21.660 or anybody else's.

00:26:22.700 I think you know for a fact millions of them are digesting exactly what you're saying.

00:26:26.280 Completely.

00:26:27.020 The entire internet, to a degree, I think any subject you can find, there's going to be

00:26:31.020 a whole heap of content.

00:26:31.780 I come back to the Joe Rogan thing, Andrew.

00:26:33.480 A lot of what you say, I agree with.

00:26:35.460 Yeah.

00:26:35.740 Right?

00:26:36.000 I do.

00:26:36.580 Genuinely.

00:26:37.320 I've read a lot of stuff you said.

00:26:39.240 A lot of the stuff you talk about, I think, yeah, he's got a good point, right?

00:26:42.040 He's got me to agree about a lot of things.

00:26:43.760 But when I read that kind of thing, I'm like, I just, how much of that is you?

00:26:49.280 How much of that is some act?

00:26:51.300 Do you regret saying stuff like this?

00:26:53.840 I don't.

00:26:54.020 And actually, do you see it as weakness to admit you shouldn't have said something like

00:26:57.640 that?

00:26:57.820 No, I don't live with regret.

00:26:59.380 I think what's happened is that, like I said, long format content, arguments with feminists,

00:27:04.640 arguments with the toxic masculine crowd, arguments with the left, and they're going to

00:27:08.180 take a small clip, small sentence from ours, and they're going to try and paint me as a

00:27:11.640 But I'm not left or right.

00:27:13.400 I don't know what you are, Piers.

00:27:14.460 Exactly.

00:27:15.140 That's my point.

00:27:15.880 That's my point.

00:27:16.600 Piers Morgan actually does not cut totally evenly left or right, but we do know that

00:27:22.880 he, on social issues, is left-wing.

00:27:27.360 On the culture, he's very clearly left-wing.

00:27:29.220 He's just admitted that, right?

00:27:30.480 He's just said, yeah, promiscuity is great, and hyper-individualism, and no mutual obligations

00:27:36.160 to one another.

00:27:36.940 So he's obviously left-wing on that.

00:27:39.020 He's super left-wing on guns.

00:27:40.960 He is pro-monarchy.

00:27:43.900 He's a Brit, and he's pro-monarchy.

00:27:45.720 So that's a kind of a conservative view, though doesn't really track in America because we

00:27:53.160 don't have a monarchy.

00:27:54.620 He doesn't like certain libs.

00:27:57.360 He kind of liked Donald Trump.

00:27:58.700 So yeah, it's a little murky.

00:28:00.160 But on these issues, there's no question Piers is on the left.

00:28:03.080 And you're doing exactly as I knew would happen on this interview, which is because you're

00:28:05.800 a busy man.

00:28:06.280 You're not going to watch hours and hours and hours of video.

00:28:07.720 Actually, I have watched hours and hours of video, and I'm going to come to the stuff

00:28:10.480 where I agree with you, and I'm going to come to the stuff about your censorship, which

00:28:13.780 I have issues with.

00:28:14.700 So it's a long interview, right?

00:28:16.700 I just thought off the top, you said to me, and you were quite bold about it, well, go

00:28:20.140 on, then let's go through this.

00:28:21.160 And you should keep going.

00:28:22.360 I will sit here and stand by what I said.

00:28:24.480 I believe that man-

00:28:25.480 On that, I just read to you there.

00:28:26.880 Yeah.

00:28:27.360 Do you wish you hadn't said that?

00:28:29.060 I understand how it's been misconstrued.

00:28:30.500 I understand how it's been weaponized and used against me.

00:28:32.560 Well, that's slightly annoying.

00:28:34.100 Did I-

00:28:34.260 That's not why I want you to agree.

00:28:35.100 Did I, at the time, mean what I said in the context of the conversation, which obviously

00:28:39.840 you're not familiar with, and the people at home are not familiar with?

00:28:42.700 No, I meant what I said.

00:28:43.720 The 25-year-old women, they've just talked to more guys, been to the club more times, 0.97

00:28:48.240 been effed and dumped more times, more arguments, more mess, more for me to clean up.

00:28:52.160 Well, there's a whole bunch of context and conversation around that that's been missed,

00:28:55.260 and I encourage-

00:28:55.600 I don't think I'm missing much context.

00:28:56.620 Well, I encourage people who are interested to go watch it.

00:28:59.260 Right, but I mean, I've just read out three sentences on the bounce there.

00:29:02.900 I don't think there's any context I'm missing.

00:29:05.800 He says, you're missing all the context of the conversation.

00:29:08.120 Pierce is like, I've read three sentences.

00:29:09.960 Yeah, exactly.

00:29:11.060 You don't get context in three sentences, Pierce.

00:29:13.420 I was explaining, I was talking with a Muslim guy who was on the panel, and he was explaining

00:29:16.700 how youth is very valued in most parts of the world, and why virginity is valued in most

00:29:21.320 parts of the world.

00:29:21.940 The feminists were arguing against it, and I was sitting there, actually very much like

00:29:25.020 you, a mediator between the two, explaining why in most of the world still today, perhaps

00:29:29.040 not in the Western world, virginity is coveted, youth is coveted in most of the world.

00:29:32.480 And throughout all of human history, and I was sitting there making the point, explaining

00:29:36.280 why in certain parts of the world they think how they do, even though it's very different

00:29:40.380 to the Western world.

00:29:41.300 So I was making a point, mediating between two groups very similar to yourself.

00:29:44.440 The conversation has been misunderstood.

00:29:46.120 They've taken this clip of it, and it's been weaponized and used against me.

00:29:48.300 I understand that.

00:29:48.960 It's because I'm now the most famous Google person on the planet.

00:29:51.440 It's inconvenient, sure.

00:29:53.020 But I'm definitely not a danger to women in any regard.

00:29:55.400 I date women 25, 26, 27 years old all the time. 1.00

00:29:58.180 None of them are offended by the things I'm saying.

00:29:59.300 I don't think you're a danger to women.

00:30:00.900 Of course not.

00:30:01.280 I think the danger, if it concerns you, the danger is the influence you have on young

00:30:06.860 men to have this kind of mindset about women. 0.93

00:30:09.120 And that's really where I'm trying to get to what you really believe, and how much you've

00:30:12.600 just shot off because you think it's entertaining, and you haven't really given it much thought.

00:30:17.760 And whether now you're a bit older, and you've had all the fallout, whether part of you

00:30:21.580 is thinking, actually, if I hadn't, as Joe Rogan says, if you hadn't said stuff like

00:30:25.860 this, you'd probably still be on all these platforms.

00:30:28.020 You'd be massively more popular, massively more famous, massively richer.

00:30:32.260 So I'm really just trying to get to, on the blatantly misogynist stuff, do you just wish

00:30:36.500 you hadn't said it?

00:30:37.320 With great power comes great responsibility.

00:30:39.460 It was certainly said before the great power came.

00:30:41.700 It's inconvenient to a degree.

00:30:43.280 However, like I said at the time, with the context of the conversation, I know that I'm

00:30:47.920 not saying things which I believe to be detrimental to the world.

00:30:50.260 However, they've been misconstrued, and they've been misunderstood.

00:30:52.940 If a 25-year-old woman was watching this, would you say, I'm sorry for saying that?

00:30:56.880 Well, I wouldn't want anyone to be offended by anything I say.

00:30:58.880 But I say things that offend, and this is the thing that's interesting, Piers.

00:31:02.100 Please let me finish.

00:31:03.080 Again, you're behaving like a politician.

00:31:04.480 Hang on.

00:31:05.040 You can say I'm interrupting.

00:31:06.520 You do.

00:31:07.160 But you're answering a different question to the one I asked you.

00:31:08.960 Now Tate's getting something different.

00:31:10.180 So as an interviewer, you're behaving-

00:31:12.280 Sure, okay, let's-

00:31:12.980 Okay, you accept that.

00:31:14.000 Let's accept we've both gone on.

00:31:15.380 Okay.

00:31:15.560 Yeah, so again, my point is simply, if a 26-year-old woman is watching this and has

00:31:19.480 heard those comments-

00:31:20.720 See, at this point, Tate's doing pretty well because he's kind of mocking Piers a little

00:31:24.420 bit.

00:31:24.860 But at this point, it's really tedious for the viewer, too.

00:31:27.520 All Piers is saying is, well, you know, this is really misogynistic.

00:31:30.940 And Tate says, no, it isn't.

00:31:32.080 No, it is.

00:31:32.940 No, it isn't.

00:31:33.540 No, it is.

00:31:34.380 No, it isn't.

00:31:34.900 So at that point, you say, well, I reject your premise, Piers.

00:31:37.020 I don't think it's true.

00:31:37.860 And I think very clearly, if my criticism is of some women, but not other women, and by the

00:31:43.440 way, even those two groups of women are just stand-ins for broader concepts like modesty 1.00

00:31:47.820 and promiscuity, even if, let's say, it's 25-year-old women versus 18-year-old women, 1.00

00:31:51.440 then by definition, my criticism can't be misogynistic because the common thread between

00:31:56.420 what I like and don't like is women. 1.00

00:31:57.920 That's common to both.

00:31:59.060 The thing that I'm criticizing here is age.

00:32:01.900 So call me an ageist or something, even though, again, age is just a stand-in for broader

00:32:06.680 concepts of virtue.

00:32:08.000 Your premise is wrong, so I reject that.

00:32:10.400 And then Piers just keeps saying, do you take it back?

00:32:12.000 Do you take it back?

00:32:12.800 Are you sorry?

00:32:13.380 Do you take it back?

00:32:14.040 And at this point, because it's dragged on so long, I just think Andrew Tate has to realize

00:32:18.620 this is not a good faith conversation.

00:32:20.400 Just say, I don't.

00:32:21.760 I'm not sorry.

00:32:22.680 But are you sorry for it?

00:32:23.940 I'm not.

00:32:24.460 But do you take it back?

00:32:25.540 No.

00:32:25.960 But are you sorry?

00:32:26.980 No.

00:32:27.620 And at a certain point, if he just keeps saying, no, no, no, no, no, Piers has to move on.

00:32:31.100 I will say that I am sorry that that offends you.

00:32:33.920 However, there's a large contingent of the world.

00:32:35.640 That doesn't mean you're sorry.

00:32:36.760 No, I'm not sorry.

00:32:37.760 That's the point I'm making.

00:32:38.480 I'm sorry if that offends you.

00:32:39.520 However, there's a large contingent of the world that believe that.

00:32:41.540 And I was mediating for a conversation.

00:32:42.820 Parts of the world that believe that about 26-year-old women are parts of the world where

00:32:46.820 women are not allowed out on their own. 1.00

00:32:48.560 That's a conversation now.

00:32:49.280 They have to wear full burkas. 1.00

00:32:50.840 Well, that's a conversation now.

00:32:51.400 They're not allowed to drive cars.

00:32:53.340 That's nothing to do with me.

00:32:54.180 But is that the kind of world for a woman that you have put on the border? 0.99

00:32:56.520 I was mediating a conversation.

00:32:58.260 No, I'm asking you what you think.

00:32:59.200 I don't live in a country where that happens.

00:33:00.980 You're using that as the excuse for why you're not sorry for saying it.

00:33:03.980 This is squishy stuff.

00:33:05.280 Tate, just double down and say, I believe what I believe.

00:33:07.820 Move on.

00:33:08.280 Do you think it's fine?

00:33:08.900 I don't think it's fine.

00:33:09.860 I live in a world where...

00:33:10.980 You don't think it's fine?

00:33:12.360 The reason I...

00:33:13.000 This isn't that hard, Andrew.

00:33:13.960 You can simply say, Piers, you know what?

00:33:16.060 With the benefit of hindsight...

00:33:17.820 Don't say that.

00:33:18.540 ...and said it like that.

00:33:19.380 No, don't say that.

00:33:20.160 Don't give him what he wants.

00:33:21.220 I'm sorry I said that.

00:33:22.320 Say, I'm not sorry.

00:33:23.180 I believe every word I said.

00:33:24.520 And screw you, Piers.

00:33:25.780 That's what you got to say.

00:33:26.660 It's not a view I share.

00:33:29.000 Now, I would respect you more if you said that.

00:33:30.880 Right, because you're a big lib and you want me to encourage women to be promiscuous. 1.00

00:33:36.580 But I'm not doing that.

00:33:37.600 I'm not sorry.

00:33:38.320 And we're moving on.

00:33:38.980 My content existed because I tried my very hardest to be an absolute and utter realist,

00:33:43.220 especially with uncomfortable truths.

00:33:44.840 I was pointing out that very uncomfortable truth.

00:33:46.540 When you're explaining, you're losing, man.

00:33:47.980 It's an uncomfortable truth in many parts of the world.

00:33:49.200 It's not a truth that I'm happy about.

00:33:50.700 It's not a truth I created.

00:33:51.640 No, hang on.

00:33:52.220 You're digging it again.

00:33:53.660 What do you mean that's a truth in other parts of the world?

00:33:56.020 That's what you said.

00:33:57.220 You're not talking about another part of the world.

00:33:58.540 Just say it's a fact that modesty is better than promiscuity.

00:34:02.580 18 and 19-year-olds and 26-year-olds.

00:34:03.960 It's a fact.

00:34:04.780 It's a truth everywhere.

00:34:05.520 It's your belief.

00:34:06.300 I was talking about what the people on the panel believe the difference is.

00:34:09.080 Yeah, stop trying to get out of it.

00:34:10.840 The difference is age.

00:34:12.520 What's the difference, though?

00:34:13.600 Well, then a 26-year-old is older than a 19-year-old.

00:34:16.040 And so you stand by what you said.

00:34:17.520 No, that's a dumb argument.

00:34:18.720 I've been to the club all the time.

00:34:19.820 I've been to the club more times.

00:34:20.960 If the age is a stand-in for these concepts, then it's a good argument. 0.93

00:34:24.900 If it's just the age, then it's not a good argument.

00:34:26.980 I don't think that the age is the only thing that's going to decipher how many men and women

00:34:30.240 There you go.

00:34:31.720 Just say sorry.

00:34:32.340 That's the better argument.

00:34:33.120 I'm not believing what I'm saying.

00:34:34.220 It's about you understanding that there's large conversations going on.

00:34:36.800 I'm just reading back stuff you've said.

00:34:38.460 I know you are.

00:34:38.820 And I'm asking you, do you believe it?

00:34:40.480 I believe that it's more likely a 26-year-old's had more partners than a 19-year-old.

00:34:44.220 You don't know that.

00:34:45.240 I don't know that.

00:34:45.920 You don't know that.

00:34:46.920 You don't know that at all.

00:34:48.160 That is a dumb thing to say.

00:34:49.740 If you're saying that's my premise, I'm using these as sort of...

00:34:52.700 As old 26-year-old women. 0.85

00:34:54.460 It's not about, we're repeating ourselves here.

00:34:56.420 Yeah, and you're both just not, you're just talking completely past one another.

00:35:02.760 And Tate is totally taking the bait here.

00:35:06.080 All he had to say is,

00:35:08.840 Piers, I was using 18 and 19-year-olds as one concept.

00:35:15.420 And 25 and 26-year-olds as another concept.

00:35:19.400 As it would be popularly understood to represent relative modesty and inexperience and even perhaps virginity and promiscuity.

00:35:31.420 It is a fact here, there, everywhere around the world that modesty and virtue and virginity are to be preferred to promiscuity and allowing men to use you for their sexual pleasure until they throw you in the trash and then some other guy picks you up.

00:35:50.980 That is just a fact.

00:35:53.300 And it might offend you because you think that women should just go sleep around with any guy who winks at them.

00:35:59.140 But that won't make them happy.

00:36:00.740 It won't lead them to a good life.

00:36:02.160 It's not objectively good.

00:36:03.700 And so we're having a moral disagreement here, Piers, and I'm on the side of modesty and virtue, and you're on the side of slutting it up, and I'm right and you're wrong.

00:36:12.420 Well, dear, but are you sorry for—

00:36:14.440 I'm not sorry.

00:36:14.960 I just explained to you exactly what I said, and the way that I phrased it was metaphorical, and I used some narrative, and I took some creative license.

00:36:24.260 But the point that I think pretty clearly made was true, and it remains true. 0.81

00:36:28.560 But do you regret it?

00:36:29.400 I don't regret it.

00:36:30.180 It was true. 0.75

00:36:30.620 But are you—will you apologize?

00:36:32.260 I won't.

00:36:32.720 But, but, but—

00:36:33.760 And it would have ended that misery of an interrogation.

00:36:39.460 You believe depression is a real thing?

00:36:41.620 I believe that feeling depressed is real.

00:36:43.640 I don't believe depression as a clinical disease is real, no.

00:36:47.120 Really?

00:36:47.720 Correct.

00:36:48.280 You don't believe people can be clinically depressed?

00:36:50.200 I think PTSD is very real.

00:36:51.980 Unfortunately, I have some friends who suffer from that.

00:36:53.900 I know that feeling depressed is real.

00:36:56.280 I believe that the number one power you have against these things are taking, trying to take control of your own mind and affecting your own life.

00:37:04.240 I believe that it's not healthy to hand over all your power and believe that depression is an outside disease that you can't affect.

00:37:11.320 True.

00:37:11.460 I know that when I've had difficult periods in my life, and also many of my friends, like I've said, suffered from PTSD and been through terrible things, I've lived a very difficult life, and I know people who have, that the things that made them feel better is when they woke up and said, you know what?

00:37:23.100 I'm not going to allow this to damage me anymore.

00:37:25.180 I'm going to take responsibility.

00:37:26.320 I'm going to get up, and I'm going to fight this as hard as I can.

00:37:28.100 True.

00:37:28.500 By the way, on that, I agree.

00:37:30.260 So we agree.

00:37:30.660 My favorite speech is the Rocky Balboa one-

00:37:32.580 Okay, so then we agree.

00:37:33.920 The red one.

00:37:34.440 No, we didn't.

00:37:34.720 Here's what we don't agree.

00:37:35.980 Pierce.

00:37:36.420 You don't—now, hang on.

00:37:37.360 Well, you've got to let me interject when I don't agree with you, right?

00:37:41.800 Where I don't agree with you is that there's no such thing as clinical depression.

00:37:45.600 There absolutely is.

00:37:46.880 Well—

00:37:47.180 It's a proven scientific medical reality.

00:37:50.100 There's a different argument about have we gone a bit too soft, right, in schools and all the rest of it.

00:37:55.640 Absolutely.

00:37:56.240 Yeah.

00:37:56.500 Do I think some people moan and whine too much about their lot in life?

00:37:59.840 Definitely.

00:38:00.440 Okay.

00:38:00.600 Are we a victimhood society?

00:38:03.200 100%.

00:38:03.560 Okay.

00:38:04.060 Is there such a thing as clinical depression?

00:38:06.240 Absolutely.

00:38:06.600 And my argument is that if you actually bracket everybody who's not clinically depressed

00:38:11.680 and doesn't have the genuine medical condition, then actually if millions of people are deemed

00:38:17.620 to have depression, the ones who really need the help don't get it.

00:38:21.340 That's my point.

00:38:22.120 Well, that I would agree with.

00:38:24.180 You're right.

00:38:24.740 I think it's certainly an overused term.

00:38:26.260 But you don't—there is such a thing as clinical depression.

00:38:28.260 No, I don't.

00:38:28.780 And that, to me, is a damaging view.

00:38:30.200 Okay.

00:38:30.780 Andrew Tate's view is the more correct of these two views.

00:38:34.480 These guys are both wrong, but Andrew Tate's view is closer to being correct.

00:38:41.920 Andrew Tate got most of his soliloquy correct, except for that first part.

00:38:47.560 The first part where he said, you've just got to take full responsibility of just your

00:38:51.360 own life.

00:38:51.940 You're the one in control.

00:38:53.160 You've just—you've got to realize you're the only one making decisions.

00:38:55.760 That's not true.

00:38:56.440 That's not going to help you because it's—again, it's a worldview that is missing God.

00:39:00.940 And so if you're missing God, then you're missing the whole thing, especially when we're

00:39:04.900 talking about matters of despair.

00:39:06.920 What does despair mean?

00:39:07.680 It means the lack of hope.

00:39:08.740 What is hope?

00:39:09.600 Hope is a fact and a theological virtue.

00:39:12.860 Faith, hope, and charity are the three theological virtues.

00:39:15.160 And so without faith in God, hope is impossible, at least in the long run, at least on the things

00:39:22.220 that matter.

00:39:22.820 The reason that they're both wrong is because they're having a debate about depression as

00:39:30.020 a physical thing and depression as a metaphysical thing.

00:39:35.780 Depression obviously has a physical aspect, probably not a chemical imbalance because that's

00:39:40.780 been pretty much debunked, but depression looks like something.

00:39:45.060 You can't get out of bed.

00:39:46.160 You're listless.

00:39:47.080 You're not hungry.

00:39:48.920 You kind of mope around and drag your feet, and maybe there is a chemical quality to it

00:39:56.080 in the brain or some physical manifestation of it in the brain or anywhere else.

00:40:00.280 It certainly has that.

00:40:01.700 It also has a metaphysical quality to it, too.

00:40:05.160 You feel your melancholy.

00:40:06.960 You feel your spirits are kind of down.

00:40:09.160 You're maybe thinking of really sad and dark things.

00:40:12.860 Maybe you're even contemplating suicide at the extreme of it.

00:40:15.960 And so that's not physical.

00:40:17.200 That's metaphysical.

00:40:18.280 What these guys want to do is cleanly and neatly separate it, one or the other.

00:40:22.360 But that's just so modern.

00:40:24.240 Nothing, nothing, not one thing on this earth is just physical or just metaphysical.

00:40:32.400 Not God himself is just metaphysical because God himself is incarnate.

00:40:38.480 That's the incarnation.

00:40:39.560 That is Jesus Christ.

00:40:41.020 It's the word, the logos, the divine logic of the universe, made flesh and dwelling among

00:40:45.600 us in real time and space.

00:40:47.960 And that is the understanding of the relation between symbol and symbolized that forms our

00:40:52.760 entire culture and led to all of the greatness of Western civilization, led to our very consciousness

00:40:57.940 right now.

00:40:58.480 And over time, especially as we have moved away from that religion and that understanding

00:41:03.360 of the world, those concepts have become so abstracted that we're having these incredibly

00:41:08.680 stupid debates where everybody loses because both sides are representing some part of the

00:41:14.780 whole, some facet of the whole of reality.

00:41:17.160 But nobody seems to be representing the fullness of truth.

00:41:20.380 And so it's just going to be babble back and forth and no one's going to get to the heart

00:41:23.480 of the matter.

00:41:23.920 I would say the first thing you need to do is stop accepting the identity of a clinically 1.00

00:41:28.160 depressed person.

00:41:29.300 Stop accepting you have no control over this.

00:41:31.600 And what you need to do is stop identifying that way and let's work together to try and

00:41:34.900 fight against it.

00:41:35.180 But there isn't an eminent doctor in the world who would tell you there is no such thing

00:41:39.440 as clinical depression.

00:41:40.300 Who would not tell you that some people is simply beyond their control.

00:41:42.880 I think Johan Hari wrote a book saying exactly that, my friend.

00:41:45.940 Johan Hari is a journalist.

00:41:47.540 Sure.

00:41:47.760 And my point is that a lot of people who are at clinic...

00:41:50.460 So are you, Piers.

00:41:52.260 You're also...

00:41:53.040 Why am I taking your stupid word for it?

00:41:54.560 That's not a disease.

00:41:55.240 Yeah, but Andrew...

00:41:55.900 That's situational.

00:41:56.680 Andrew, you're simply wrong.

00:41:58.100 If that's what you believe, Piers...

00:41:59.260 It's what I believe.

00:41:59.980 I don't believe in things that take power away from you.

00:42:01.580 There is not an eminent doctor in the world.

00:42:03.380 This is so shallow, it makes me want to pull my hair out.

00:42:06.720 I can't become clinically depressed.

00:42:08.800 Why do you know?

00:42:09.580 Because I don't believe in it.

00:42:10.540 Again, this is that little area where you lose me.

00:42:12.880 No, I don't lose you.

00:42:13.640 You are.

00:42:14.040 Because somebody with your following says...

00:42:16.080 The thousands of people, the thousands of people who have emailed me saying,

00:42:19.680 my doctor told me I was clinically depressed and it's a disease that I have got in my brain

00:42:23.480 and I can't be fixed.

00:42:24.460 And I started listening to you and I realized that that's not the case and I can fix my own

00:42:27.860 life and you're the only person who has ever helped me.

00:42:30.540 Thousands of people have emailed me that...

00:42:32.100 I bet Andrew Tate is more helpful than most psychiatrists on this issue.

00:42:36.180 100%.

00:42:36.580 Clinical depression.

00:42:37.280 You are living in cloud cuckoo land.

00:42:38.820 I am reading the emails of people who I have cured of clinical depression.

00:42:41.780 You're reading emails from people who have believed you when you say there isn't such a thing.

00:42:45.740 And they've probably never been diagnosed with clinical depression.

00:42:48.360 They just want to go along with what Andrew Tate says.

00:42:50.940 I don't think so.

00:42:51.740 And I think your view of that is...

00:42:53.140 That view is dangerous.

00:42:55.040 I respect that you think my view is dangerous and I respect...

00:42:57.900 Pierce's argument is so shallow.

00:42:59.860 I fear I'm going to be sucked through the floor and disappear forever into the abyss.

00:43:03.700 PTSD is a very real...

00:43:04.780 It's actually going to become concave.

00:43:06.880 I did not say clinical depression is massively over-diagnosed.

00:43:11.580 I said that people who claim to be depressed but don't have clinical depression, I think that is massively overblown.

00:43:18.800 Right?

00:43:19.120 In other words, there are a lot of people who just have a bad day and declare, I've got depression.

00:43:23.760 And I say, well, have you been to a doctor?

00:43:26.320 Have you been clinically diagnosed?

00:43:28.160 If you have and you have clinical depression, that's one thing.

00:43:31.300 But if you haven't, we could probably work on some mental strength and resilience skills with you.

00:43:35.580 But a clinically depressed person has an absolutely proven medical condition that is beyond their control.

00:43:42.380 Not according to me and many others, my friend.

00:43:44.180 Well, what do you know about it, honestly?

00:43:46.880 I know from...

00:43:47.880 You're not a doctor.

00:43:47.980 What do you know, Pierce?

00:43:48.720 You're not trained, are you?

00:43:49.400 I'm not a doctor.

00:43:49.920 You're not a psychiatrist.

00:43:50.920 You're none of those things.

00:43:51.800 Sure.

00:43:52.160 You're a guy on the...

00:43:52.900 But psychiatry, it's amazing that he's referring to psychiatry here.

00:43:56.980 Because one, who's he really referring to?

00:43:58.480 Some pop doctors who have lost so much of their credibility in recent years.

00:44:03.240 The entire medical establishment during COVID lost so much of its credibility.

00:44:07.020 The lobbies, I think, of the American Medical Association or the Psychiatric Association,

00:44:11.520 they changed the DSM, the guidebook of mental disorders, based on political correctness.

00:44:16.460 Because it's no longer politically correct to point out that men who think that they're women are mentally ill.

00:44:21.080 They just changed the definition in the DSM based on what?

00:44:23.500 Not based on science or based on truth, but based on political correctness.

00:44:27.720 Furthermore, psychiatry is in the throes of a major crisis right now.

00:44:31.400 It's the major replication crisis, which is a huge number of major psychiatric studies cannot be replicated.

00:44:37.880 They have absolutely no scientific rigor to them whatsoever.

00:44:40.960 And so the idea that Pierce is deferring to these people as the be-all and end-all authority is totally laughable.

00:44:46.560 It's not only the category error here of pretending that that depression is purely physical or purely metaphysical,

00:44:53.540 just like anything is purely physical or purely metaphysical.

00:44:56.020 But it's also just a really basic journalistic fact-checking error.

00:45:02.200 It's an error of what authorities to trust because he's deferring to people who have a terrible track record on the truth.

00:45:08.720 Much of which I agree with, as you've seen in the interview.

00:45:11.980 But some of which is ludicrous, and that's one of them.

00:45:14.200 It's not ludicrous.

00:45:14.980 It is.

00:45:15.640 It's not.

00:45:16.020 If you said to me, we're in a victim whose society has got to stop, I'm with you.

00:45:19.280 Okay.

00:45:19.640 But the moment you try and deny clinical depression.

00:45:22.480 I believe feeling depressed is real.

00:45:25.760 I do not believe it's a disease that you catch from the sky and you cannot affect.

00:45:29.600 I believe that no matter what happens, I believe you have control of your own mind and you can fight against it.

00:45:33.580 I believe if you change your circumstances in your life, you may feel different.

00:45:36.180 I'll give you a quick example.

00:45:37.240 To a large degree, that's true, but not in all cases.

00:45:40.080 I obviously am not a psychiatrist. I'm not a doctor.

00:45:41.940 I told him, because I replied to my emails, I said, have you been to a psychiatrist?

00:45:46.120 He said, yes, I'm clinically depressed. I've been on these pills this amount of time.

00:45:49.020 I'm on antidepressants. It doesn't work.

00:45:50.520 I said, I don't know what to say to you besides this.

00:45:53.200 And he said he lost his girlfriend. That's why I became clinically depressed.

00:45:55.620 I said, listen, go to the gym. Get a six-pack first.

00:45:58.240 Once you've got a six-pack, email me again.

00:46:00.320 If you still feel like killing yourself, I don't know what else to say to you.

00:46:02.340 But I'd say, strong body is a strong mind. Go train.

00:46:05.220 He went, he started sending me progress pictures, emailing me him getting in better, better shape,

00:46:08.600 and eventually got a six-pack. He's now a professional bodybuilder.

00:46:10.800 And he said, I can't believe I was considering that. I feel so much better, etc.

00:46:13.740 The doctor was telling him he was clinically depressed and couldn't cure it.

00:46:16.660 He started taking control of his own life, and now he felt better.

00:46:19.080 Now, I'm not saying it's the case for everybody.

00:46:20.980 I'm just saying.

00:46:21.740 Here's my question, though. Have you seen the guy's medical records?

00:46:24.560 Of course not. I just told you the story.

00:46:26.120 So you're just taking his word for it?

00:46:27.200 I am taking the word of a man who emailed me with a bunch of medication and specific benefits.

00:46:30.880 So you're denying proven science because one guy writes to you who you help,

00:46:34.900 and you've not seen any evidence he ever had clinical depression diagnosed.

00:46:37.860 I'm denying the idea.

00:46:39.000 Proven science?

00:46:40.080 Go on, you're...

00:46:41.560 The overarching theory of clinical depression that is the basis for the modern psychiatric prescriptions

00:46:51.460 on clinical depression, the idea of the chemical imbalance theory that demands the widespread use

00:46:56.960 of these expensive depression drugs that one in eight Americans are now hooked on,

00:47:01.400 and one in 29 teenagers are now hooked on.

00:47:03.760 The scientific basis for that just got completely gutted, and there is no evidence whatsoever

00:47:09.280 that SSRIs correct any sort of chemical imbalance.

00:47:14.000 Just within the last, what, five or six weeks, that whole thing has been gutted,

00:47:18.940 and yet you still hear from Piers Morgan.

00:47:21.760 It's the proven science. It's the proven science.

00:47:24.040 Ignore the reality of the people that are telling you actually what's happening to them.

00:47:27.580 I don't know. I'm going into a little bit of a Paul McCartney or a time.

00:47:30.160 Well, you know, here, Andrew Tatey-Wadey.

00:47:33.340 So Piers Morgan, I'll just speak in the American accent for now.

00:47:37.500 No, I'll speak in the Paul McCartney accent.

00:47:39.200 He says, you know...

00:47:40.300 So you're going to look at all of your emails, and you're going to talk to all the people that you know,

00:47:45.220 and they're going to show you the results,

00:47:47.120 and you think that just because you've seen it in reality,

00:47:50.140 that that's actually better than what's been published in these bogus medical journals.

00:47:53.620 Is that what you think?

00:47:54.700 And Andrew Tatey says, yeah, or at least I hope he says, yeah,

00:47:57.480 because that's obviously much more reliable than the BS statistics that have largely been debunked.

00:48:02.940 You know, rants in public to tens of millions of people denying something

00:48:06.100 because this guy writes to you and says he had it and you cured him.

00:48:09.060 And I think that's a dangerous mindset, Andrew.

00:48:10.720 That's fine.

00:48:11.000 That's why you don't have a responsible view of your influence over people.

00:48:14.700 I disagree. It's very responsible because I'm saving people's lives.

00:48:17.380 I disagree that if you feel depressed,

00:48:20.380 I disagree that you cannot affect it and change your life and take control

00:48:23.100 and fix yourself and feel happier.

00:48:24.700 I disagree with that.

00:48:25.300 Do you think...

00:48:26.160 I refuse to accept that there are people out there who cannot become happy, contented individuals.

00:48:32.120 What is dangerous about what he's saying is it gets back to the same problem of a view

00:48:38.280 that puts man at the center of the universe rather than God at the center of the universe

00:48:42.880 because he's calling on men to be their own saviors and men cannot be their own saviors.

00:48:48.140 You can do a lot to help yourself.

00:48:49.540 You can do a lot to put yourself in a better position.

00:48:51.400 You can practice the virtues and make yourself healthier to a large degree.

00:48:55.740 But you are not ultimately in control of your destiny or of fate or of the order of the universe.

00:49:01.940 Ultimately, God is.

00:49:03.240 And so what's dangerous about this is that when these things don't work,

00:49:06.560 and Andrew Tate even admits that in some cases this won't work,

00:49:09.160 you go to the gym and you still will be a little bit depressed,

00:49:11.200 at least for some group of people, that you blame yourself.

00:49:13.820 And it's the same problem as the prosperity gospel,

00:49:16.400 this idea that if you just pray a little bit harder,

00:49:19.060 you'll get a lot more money because God rewards people who pray really hard by giving them a lot of money.

00:49:23.600 So if you don't have material success in this world,

00:49:27.100 that that must be some kind of sign that you are not saved or your faith is insufficient or something.

00:49:32.340 And that's very silly and corrosive and really destructive.

00:49:36.040 He's falling in some ways into the same era Piers Morgan is,

00:49:38.460 which is he's trying to set the world up and establish a view of the world on purely physical grounds.

00:49:46.020 You know, he's trying, it's just not, you just go to the gym and you just lift the weights

00:49:49.360 and you just get mind over matter, you know, and you, and you pull,

00:49:54.280 you yourself will just pull your body into, into submission.

00:49:58.460 Once you have that six pack, you won't be depressed anymore.

00:50:00.700 But that's not necessarily true.

00:50:02.320 This is a fallen world.

00:50:03.500 There's a lot of brokenness.

00:50:04.600 There are a lot of things that are unexplained, a lot of work around the fringes.

00:50:07.440 And ultimately, ultimately you are not in control,

00:50:09.980 which is why you need to have faith and hope and charity for your fellow man.

00:50:12.660 I refuse to accept we live in a world where God has created people who,

00:50:16.140 no matter how hard they work and how good their life becomes, can't be happy.

00:50:20.560 I don't accept that.

00:50:21.780 I accept that the universe is a very giving place and that God loves all of us.

00:50:25.100 And if you try your best and you work hard, you can become a better person.

00:50:27.820 And I also will argue with you and I'll counter the problem.

00:50:29.840 Yes, you can become a better person.

00:50:31.160 You're a platform telling people they have clinical depression,

00:50:33.100 there's nothing they can do about it.

00:50:34.480 It's far more dangerous.

00:50:35.240 I didn't say that.

00:50:35.600 Okay, well then, if they have clinical depression.

00:50:37.220 Why do you misquote me?

00:50:38.260 No, because you're saying.

00:50:38.820 You hate being misquoted.

00:50:39.600 No, you're saying if people have clinical depression,

00:50:41.640 then they have a disease.

00:50:42.460 I don't know if they have nothing to do about it.

00:50:42.820 They go to a doctor and they get diagnosed and they get help.

00:50:44.940 And they get drugs.

00:50:45.460 Then I would argue.

00:50:46.120 You just take drugs.

00:50:46.760 Something opposite of what you just said I said.

00:50:48.240 I would argue the point that if somebody has depression of any kind,

00:50:50.940 whether it's clinical, whether it exists or not,

00:50:52.420 whether they feel depressed or not, whatever,

00:50:54.180 that taking control of their life,

00:50:55.300 taking personal responsibility and working hard

00:50:56.900 is always going to be the positive,

00:50:58.080 best thing they can possibly do for their life going forward.

00:50:59.940 How positive is it?

00:51:01.180 So sitting here saying,

00:51:02.140 I don't believe in clinical depression,

00:51:03.420 you don't believe in depression.

00:51:04.220 No, I don't.

00:51:04.660 I believe that people can take control and fight against things.

00:51:06.940 I believe in personal sovereignty.

00:51:08.560 Right.

00:51:09.300 Right.

00:51:09.700 That's the problem.

00:51:10.200 Good.

00:51:10.600 So we agree.

00:51:11.540 No, we don't.

00:51:12.080 Yes, we do.

00:51:12.700 No, we don't.

00:51:13.480 Beards are on my side,

00:51:14.600 afraid of being canceled along with me.

00:51:16.080 As I said to you from the start,

00:51:17.400 I agree with a lot of what you say.

00:51:19.160 Completely.

00:51:19.600 But I'm taking you to task over the stuff I don't agree with.

00:51:21.860 He's saying,

00:51:22.340 ultimately, I believe in personal sovereignty.

00:51:25.840 Right.

00:51:26.240 And I like people exercising their own will

00:51:29.360 and having some control over their lives in its proper place.

00:51:32.420 But I don't agree with Andrew Tate here.

00:51:34.040 I do not believe ultimately is the be all and end all first principle in personal sovereignty.

00:51:39.880 That is what the serpent in the Garden of Eden told to Eve.

00:51:44.040 Okay.

00:51:44.260 That is what the Satanists of the 20th century insisted upon.

00:51:48.160 The first commandment of Aleister Crowley, do what thou wilt.

00:51:51.480 No, no, no.

00:51:52.200 That's the bad stuff.

00:51:53.740 I don't believe ultimately in the total personal sovereignty.

00:51:58.640 I believe in the sovereignty of God and what's good.

00:52:00.960 And he even is alluding to this.

00:52:02.420 And he's even mentioning God,

00:52:03.580 but it doesn't jibe with so much of his worldview.

00:52:06.620 It's quite incoherent.

00:52:07.580 When you accept the sovereignty of God,

00:52:09.240 which really establishes whatever good version of individualism there is,

00:52:13.280 that comes by acknowledging the sovereignty of God,

00:52:15.420 which gives you so much more control over your life,

00:52:18.300 the sort of thing he's calling for,

00:52:19.480 and gives you true freedom.

00:52:20.820 But if you reject that and you put man as God,

00:52:23.780 you will be lost.

00:52:25.020 You will ultimately not save yourself.

00:52:27.140 If you put God at the center of the universe,

00:52:30.000 then you will have tools to work through sadness.

00:52:33.540 If you put man at the center of the universe,

00:52:35.220 sadness becomes a sin.

00:52:37.140 And being sad is not a sin.

00:52:39.100 Sometimes things are sad.

00:52:40.480 I was at a funeral recently.

00:52:42.640 It's sad to be at funerals.

00:52:44.720 You don't want to be sad all the time,

00:52:46.240 but grieving is fine.

00:52:47.400 Sorrow is part of human nature.

00:52:49.260 Jesus wept, shortest line in the gospel.

00:52:51.880 That happens.

00:52:52.660 And so the fear of this idolatry of man and of your own will

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00:53:04.980 And you won't be able to,

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00:54:22.900 We're talking about Alex Jones, right?

00:54:25.060 Who I have a bit of history with.

00:54:26.180 He tried to get me deported from the United States.

00:54:28.120 Oh, did he?

00:54:28.600 Yeah.

00:54:28.900 What is your view of Alex Jones?

00:54:30.620 I think that Alex Jones is a sovereign individual

00:54:33.880 who very much like the rabid left

00:54:37.160 deserves a chance to speak.

00:54:39.020 The people who insist on the ultimate sovereignty

00:54:41.600 of the individual are the rabid left,

00:54:43.940 or at least they share the same premises

00:54:45.560 as the radical left.

00:54:47.200 It's funny that Andrew Tate is called a right-winger

00:54:50.380 or a conservative or something,

00:54:51.960 but so many of his,

00:54:53.020 he shares exactly the same premises of the left,

00:54:55.620 which is that the individual

00:54:57.220 is ultimately totally sovereign.

00:54:59.020 Consent is ultimately the only thing

00:55:00.720 that really matters,

00:55:01.480 and you have no moral obligations

00:55:03.240 to anything higher than that.

00:55:05.360 That's the leftist view.

00:55:06.280 That is essentially what defines the left,

00:55:08.460 and so it's just liberals arguing with liberals.

00:55:10.460 You can tell he's got an intuition

00:55:11.640 that that's not sufficient,

00:55:12.880 which is why he'll talk about God

00:55:14.200 and he'll talk about marriage

00:55:15.140 and he'll talk about loyalty

00:55:16.440 and he'll talk about tradition,

00:55:17.740 but he does it in this incoherent way

00:55:19.440 because when he makes moral statements,

00:55:21.000 he keeps coming down to the same stupid leftism

00:55:23.080 that he criticizes.

00:55:24.520 Truth on issues is usually somewhere in the middle

00:55:26.780 between two extremes, and I think-

00:55:28.740 So you think Sandy Hook was staged?

00:55:30.500 I don't know anything about Sandy Hook.

00:55:31.960 Really?

00:55:32.140 You know he's just been sued by the families

00:55:33.720 for millions and millions.

00:55:34.760 I have no idea.

00:55:35.620 You don't know anything about it?

00:55:36.420 No.

00:55:36.900 So why would you support someone in public

00:55:38.280 where you know nothing about the most infamous thing

00:55:40.000 When have I supported him in public?

00:55:41.180 You have supported him in public.

00:55:42.300 I've been on his podcast.

00:55:43.500 Yeah, but you said nice things about him.

00:55:44.900 I say nice things about lots of people.

00:55:46.520 What do you think of Alex Jones?

00:55:47.320 I said nice things about you, Piers.

00:55:48.640 That's fine.

00:55:49.440 So you should, a nice person.

00:55:50.800 So to sit and say that I've been on a podcast

00:55:52.900 and I say nice things about him

00:55:53.920 But you said you support his right to speak

00:55:56.460 about things like Sandy Hook?

00:55:57.940 I don't know Sandy Hook.

00:55:58.880 I don't know.

00:55:59.440 You know what it was?

00:56:00.500 It was a mass shooting.

00:56:02.100 Of school children.

00:56:03.100 Okay, but to sit and-

00:56:05.420 It's actually-

00:56:06.100 No, no, let's stop for a second.

00:56:06.900 Please don't interrupt me.

00:56:07.580 I know why you're good at your job.

00:56:08.720 First, you interrupt people a lot, which is good.

00:56:10.300 It's a good skill.

00:56:11.060 And you're very-

00:56:11.500 No, no.

00:56:11.840 And then you're going to prove me right.

00:56:13.180 And the timing's good.

00:56:14.460 Here's exactly what I did.

00:56:15.760 I only interrupt people like you

00:56:17.660 when you either refuse to answer the question

00:56:20.580 or answer a completely different one.

00:56:22.080 Sure.

00:56:22.360 And I want to remind you of what the question was.

00:56:24.580 Fair.

00:56:24.860 Or when you misquote me back

00:56:26.500 which you've done repeatedly through the interview

00:56:28.080 where you say,

00:56:29.000 you see, Piers, you agree with me.

00:56:30.060 And the viewer who's been watching will go,

00:56:32.240 no, he didn't.

00:56:33.080 Cool.

00:56:33.360 No problem.

00:56:34.120 The other thing you do is

00:56:35.000 you try and set these traps like now.

00:56:37.000 So you're saying-

00:56:37.600 What's the trap you think I'm setting?

00:56:38.700 You're saying that I agree

00:56:39.680 with every single point of view a man has.

00:56:42.140 I literally didn't say that.

00:56:43.140 You're saying, well, you support Alex Jones.

00:56:44.580 Why would you misquote me?

00:56:45.560 Because you're saying you support Alex Jones

00:56:46.960 and you said you've been on his podcast

00:56:48.380 and he said this.

00:56:49.560 I don't know what-

00:56:50.080 What do you think of Alex Jones?

00:56:50.960 I don't know everything he said, Piers.

00:56:52.160 What do you think of him?

00:56:53.000 I think on his podcast he was cordial.

00:56:55.640 I think he was professional on his podcast.

00:56:57.440 I've also done podcasts with rabid leftists

00:56:59.400 and people who openly hate me.

00:57:01.860 Is it wrong?

00:57:02.540 I do a podcast circuit.

00:57:04.260 And I don't know everything he's ever said.

00:57:06.040 When somebody like that-

00:57:06.620 And I don't know what-

00:57:07.340 So I don't know what you're trying to get here

00:57:09.200 because I did a podcast.

00:57:10.080 If you let me get a word in edgeways, I'll tell you.

00:57:12.200 It's a lame trick.

00:57:13.560 If you let me get a word in, I will tell you.

00:57:15.480 Let's go.

00:57:16.100 Tate is totally right to call him out for this.

00:57:18.600 Tate's argument on Alex Jones could be,

00:57:20.180 listen, has Alex Jones said some things

00:57:22.620 that are really outlandish?

00:57:24.060 Yeah, of course he has.

00:57:25.120 Has he said things that are really awful and terrible?

00:57:27.720 I don't really listen to Alex Jones,

00:57:29.060 but sure, probably he has.

00:57:30.340 I've said things that are awful.

00:57:31.420 You've said things that are awful,

00:57:32.320 so I'm sure Alex Jones has too.

00:57:33.880 Has Alex Jones gotten major stories wrong?

00:57:36.900 Yeah, probably.

00:57:38.280 You know what I'll tell you though?

00:57:39.040 Alex Jones, if you go story by story,

00:57:41.300 if you just say,

00:57:42.280 here are a hundred stories that Alex Jones covered

00:57:44.460 and a hundred stories that CNN covered,

00:57:46.520 I would bet you a lot of money

00:57:48.620 that Alex Jones has a better track record than CNN.

00:57:50.680 And so if Piers Morgan is insisting

00:57:54.240 that we just focus on this one story

00:57:58.280 or this one statement or this one whatever

00:57:59.860 from this one guy and we have to disavow him,

00:58:02.060 it's just a silly game.

00:58:03.280 And that's what Andrew Tate is pointing out there.

00:58:06.000 And so he's absolutely right about that.

00:58:08.340 I just wish.

00:58:10.800 The guy clearly has a good gut instinct.

00:58:15.520 He realizes something is wrong with the culture

00:58:17.560 that we're in right now.

00:58:19.060 He's articulating his problem

00:58:21.100 with what's wrong right now in a clumsy way,

00:58:25.000 which is probably why he's gotten so popular actually.

00:58:28.180 I think if he had said it in a more articulate

00:58:30.580 and precise way,

00:58:31.380 no one would have paid as much attention.

00:58:33.100 So it's probably benefited him

00:58:34.640 in terms of his notoriety.

00:58:36.320 But I also wish that he would take it even further.

00:58:40.480 He's got his intuitions about this.

00:58:42.300 He's right.

00:58:42.960 He's got the kind of scheme

00:58:44.640 of what's gone wrong in the world.

00:58:45.960 He realizes something's up.

00:58:48.120 But at that bottom philosophical

00:58:51.560 and theological level,

00:58:53.240 he hasn't quite worked out why it's wrong.

00:58:56.000 And so he can't quite articulate it,

00:58:57.680 which is why he can fall into the traps

00:58:59.720 that Piers Morgan laid for him

00:59:01.780 and does not totally successfully dig out of them.

00:59:05.500 Just got to go all the way down to first principles,

00:59:07.560 figure it out.

00:59:08.080 Maybe we should have him on the show.

00:59:09.200 It'd be great to have him on the show.

00:59:10.400 Until then, I'm Michael Knowles.

00:59:11.740 See you next time.

The Michael Knowles Show - October 20, 2022

Who Won？ Andrew Tate Vs Piers Morgan ｜ Michael RATES Viral Debate

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