The Michael Knowles Show - Why The Left Is Terrified Of Christian Nationalism ｜ Marjorie Taylor Greene

00:00:00.000 I made the mistake of reading CNN a couple of days ago, and I read a very long piece

00:00:07.620 attacking Christian nationalism, which is apparently on the rise in America.

00:00:13.440 And then I made another mistake. I turned over to Twitter. That's never a smart thing to do.

00:00:17.640 And on Twitter, I see the same person trending for two different reasons.

00:00:24.620 One of the trends was Christian nationalism. The other one was, she's a Nazi. 0.76

00:00:30.000 And the person trending was Republican Congressman Marjorie Taylor Greene.

00:00:34.020 So I said, well, that doesn't sound right to me. A little skeptical of those trends.

00:00:38.540 So I thought we should invite her on to hear straight from her what she means by all these things.

00:00:45.500 Congresswoman Greene, thank you so much for coming on.

00:00:48.200 Thanks for having me on, Michael.

00:00:49.820 So first question, Twitter is forcing me to ask this.

00:00:54.260 Are you now or have you ever been a Nazi, a national socialist? 0.60

00:01:00.000 No, never, ever.

00:01:01.460 I'm relieved to hear that.

00:01:03.280 Yeah, apparently they can label you things you're not and lie about you and smear your character

00:01:10.020 on Twitter. And they think that's perfectly OK. And this is what they have done to me

00:01:16.560 ever since I became a member of Congress. And I'm really tired of it. I am.

00:01:22.160 It hurts me. It hurts my family. It hurts my friends. And it angers them. It also upsets people

00:01:29.920 in my district because they share the same faith that I have. I'm a Christian. And they also love

00:01:36.900 our country just like I do. But no, I think the Nazis did horrible things. Who can identify with that?

00:01:44.500 But that's just the name and the label that the godless left uses to try to smear someone's

00:01:51.660 character.

00:01:52.480 And so when they're, you know, they call everyone a Nazi. Anyone to the right of Hillary Clinton,

00:01:57.420 they call a Nazi. But when they're going after you, they've been doing it more specifically.

00:02:02.560 They've been going after you for the issue of Christian nationalism. And this is the, you know,

00:02:09.420 a scare phrase du jour. So forget what CNN says about Christian nationalism. What do you say

00:02:15.740 Christian nationalism is?

00:02:17.980 Well, I'm a Christian. You know, I have my full faith in God and Jesus is my savior. I'm not perfect.

00:02:27.520 I'm definitely a sinner. I know that for sure. And that's why I put my faith in the son of God

00:02:32.260 who died on a Roman cross so that my sins could be forgiven. And that's the profession of my faith.

00:02:39.420 I also believe that Jesus is the son of God. And I believe the words in the Bible. That's what being

00:02:45.660 a Christian is. Jesus's commandment, God's commandment to us is to love God first and then

00:02:54.360 love people like we love ourselves and love him and like he loves people. So I don't see how this is

00:03:01.020 a scary thing. It's definitely not racist. People includes all people, even the ones we don't like.

00:03:07.720 Um, that doesn't mean that we back down and cave into their demands, uh, or, or what they want

00:03:14.860 us to do, because I believe a lot of the things the left want are extremely wrong and sinful.

00:03:20.500 So being a Christian isn't a, isn't a bad thing. It actually is a really good thing for, for everyone.

00:03:27.220 Uh, being a nationalist means I just love my country. I love America. I'm proud to be an American.

00:03:32.340 I, I, I'm elected by the people in Georgia's 14th district, and I'm, I'm very grateful and,

00:03:39.480 and humbled to serve, uh, and represent them here in Congress, but also means that I believe that

00:03:45.520 Americans hard-earned tax dollars should be used for America and our interests, such as securing our

00:03:51.640 border, uh, making sure that our economy is strong, that our businesses are put force first,

00:03:57.700 not other businesses and other countries. Um, I care about our kids. I care about our kids a lot.

00:04:03.220 I care about our kids so much that I believe it's imperative that we protect them from the,

00:04:08.960 the godless left and their plans to, to lie to the kids. Um, confusion, confusing them about gender,

00:04:16.600 uh, uh, drag queens and schools, CRT, racist teaching and ideologies. Um, and I care about

00:04:24.320 our kids future. And that means that I think that our government should be working for America's

00:04:30.560 interests first. So I don't see how that's a bad thing. And actually, Michael, most Americans feel

00:04:37.220 this way. Most Americans care about our country and are tired of money going over to foreign countries

00:04:42.340 and never ending foreign wars and other countries' borders being, being cared about and ours being

00:04:48.460 completely neglected. So these aren't radical issues. As a matter of fact, these are pretty

00:04:53.780 common issues. Well, the way, the way you're describing it, I think that, uh, pretty much

00:04:59.500 everybody in America could have used that term Christian nationalist until recent, certainly until

00:05:04.700 the 1960s, probably until later. So then I guess the question, that's a good description of

00:05:09.100 Christianity, good description of nationalism. Then the question that CNN especially is raising

00:05:15.880 and, and that the left is, seems to be running on in the midterms is what is the relationship

00:05:20.760 between the two, the, between the Christianity and the nationalism and what does it mean for

00:05:26.840 everybody else? Well, what that means is if the Republican party were really to strive hard for those

00:05:34.500 two, um, uh, ideas or ideologies or, or, or, um, what's a better word identity? Let's, let's say that

00:05:45.220 that's what the Republican party really cared about. That means that we would care about traditional

00:05:50.440 family values. We would care about marriage. We would care about children. We would care about,

00:05:55.800 um, doing things that serve families. That means we would also care about people that are neglected,

00:06:03.020 um, people, homeless people, people that are addicted to drugs, people that are being affected

00:06:10.580 by the out of control crime. Uh, we would care about, um, funding law enforcement and, and making sure that

00:06:17.800 prosecutions happen, not just, not just allowing police officers to try to make arrests, but yet these

00:06:24.740 people never get prosecuted like Antifa got gets off. People can shoplift, um, like up to $900 a day in

00:06:31.180 California with, with, with no accountability. It means we would care about truth. It means we would

00:06:37.140 care about, um, care about holding our government accountable. It means that means that we would

00:06:43.520 actually be serving and caring for others. And it doesn't put a race on that. It doesn't put an

00:06:50.580 identity on that. It doesn't, doesn't put anyone first or second or last. Even it just means that

00:06:56.800 we will care for Americans care for people here. It also means we would do things like secure our

00:07:03.260 border that would stop the deadly flow of fentanyl coming across. That would also stop the, the human

00:07:10.740 trafficking that is very real and happening every single day. It would also stop, uh, American cities

00:07:18.040 and towns all over the country from being overrun by people who broke the law to come in our country. 1.00

00:07:23.860 Uh, these are, these are all good things. It means that we will take care of one another and love one

00:07:30.160 another. And then when you combine that with being a nationalist, that means that we will stop sending

00:07:36.620 our hard earned tax dollars to countries that don't deserve it, uh, to dictators. It means that we would

00:07:42.800 stop sending our, our jobs and overseas and instead would, would have policies that would help our American

00:07:50.220 companies right here. Um, that means we would revitalize small town America everywhere because

00:07:56.860 it's small town America that's really suffered from America last policies and the policies that took God

00:08:04.500 out of God and prayer out of schools and, and, and has shunned people, um, and shamed them for,

00:08:11.020 for professing their faith or being proud, uh, to pray on a football field, um, or, or anywhere in the

00:08:18.420 classroom. It means that we would actually come together as a nation instead of be divided.

00:08:24.100 So I don't see, I don't see how this is a bad thing, but it's very threatening to the left

00:08:28.860 because it will truly put an end to the terrible things that they're doing to our country, especially

00:08:35.880 to our kids. I agree. I think this is the threat to the left and I have a little bit of a theory as

00:08:42.260 to why, which we could get to maybe a little bit later, but something you hit on here is so important

00:08:46.040 because it seems to me the biggest objection to Christian nationalism coming from the left right

00:08:52.400 now is that, well, what about people who aren't Christian? I guess, you know, I guess if you're

00:08:57.380 not a nationalist, if you don't love America, you're not a patriot, then nevermind you. But what about

00:09:01.060 people, you know, plenty of people who aren't Christians, Jews, Muslims, lots of agnostics or

00:09:06.680 nuns, not, you know, not, uh, not talking about Catholic religious sisters, but the nuns, N-O-N-E-S. 1.00

00:09:12.320 They don't really buy into religion at all, or at least they don't think that they don't. So in a,

00:09:17.720 in a Christian nationalist informed political order, what about all those people?

00:09:23.620 Those people are not left out at all. As a matter of fact, they're equal, uh, because as Christians,

00:09:28.380 we were, we're commanded to love others as we love ourself. And there's not an identity on that.

00:09:35.860 We're, we're, we're to love others. And, and if anything, that's, that's not a bad thing. That's

00:09:41.060 a good thing. So it doesn't leave anyone out. It doesn't reject anyone. Um, as a matter of fact,

00:09:46.560 it, it makes things a lot better for, for all. And, and we could argue deeper and, and compare

00:09:52.940 different countries and, and different religions. I mean, we know what it's like in Islamic controlled 1.00

00:09:58.540 countries where Sharia law is the law of the land. That's a very strict law. And there's no room 1.00

00:10:04.080 for Jewish people or Christians or, or anyone that is not, not a Muslim. That's actually not a good 0.98

00:10:10.960 thing. They have laws about that. And that's where we see severe persecutions. Look at countries like

00:10:16.020 China, which is a completely godless country. Well, actually the government is the God, right? Um, 0.99

00:10:22.360 there's terrible persecutions that happen there in China, especially to Christians and Muslims and,

00:10:28.500 and, and, and people that are not obedient to the Chinese communist party, uh, and the government

00:10:34.920 controlling everything. So we could, we could compare different countries and, and their different

00:10:40.500 way of doing things or their different religions. But in America, you know, we were founded by very

00:10:47.100 strong Christians. These were men of faith and it was their faith that drove them to, to write the

00:10:54.120 declaration of independence and to sacrifice their lives, their families and their fortunes so that

00:10:59.740 we could all have freedoms. You know, one of the greatest things, uh, that, that we believe as

00:11:04.960 Christians is there's no greater love than this. And that is to lay down your life for another. And,

00:11:11.840 and that's the type of people we are being Christians. So the left is extremely threatened by a,

00:11:19.360 an idea of Christian nationalism because they know they cannot win. They cannot beat it. It defies 0.99

00:11:26.940 everything that they are. Um, and it ultimately comes down to some very key important things,

00:11:33.780 Michael. It's the fact that we, we refuse, we refuse to bow and give in on, on God's creation,

00:11:41.100 which is God created us and male and female. And in his image, he created us. That's a fundamental

00:11:46.980 truth. Uh, the other truth is this, is that God created life in the womb and being, being pro-life

00:11:54.340 is not hateful towards women. It's actually loving towards women and, and it's protecting life. So

00:12:01.000 being, being a Christian is, is believing those things and wanting to make, um, just to make society

00:12:08.380 and, and, and life much better for everyone as well as putting our country first. And I believe we need

00:12:15.720 to do that. We haven't put our country first in decades, a very, very long time. And our,

00:12:21.520 our country is crumbling. We, we, I, as a matter of fact, I don't know how we're still making it.

00:12:26.280 You know, we have a government that is the Democrats and, and, and a lot of my Republican

00:12:31.900 colleagues are driving hard into this war in Ukraine. They're fighting a proxy war with Russia

00:12:39.220 and Russia is a nuclear country. And this is, this is hurting the entire world. It's creating 0.98

00:12:45.020 food famines. It's, it's, it's driving inflation that already existed from the out of control policies

00:12:51.800 here in Washington. It's, it's also driving the energy prices and it's strengthening Russia. It's 0.68

00:12:58.400 not hurting them while they're making deals with other countries like India, Saudi Arabia, China,

00:13:04.380 and so forth. But this is the kind of America last policies that come from the establishment,

00:13:11.000 or we can call it the uniparty here in Washington that serves Americans. Not at all. It serves us

00:13:17.300 last. It puts Americans last and people are sick and tired of it. So this isn't a threat. Um,

00:13:23.600 well, you've actually, it may be a threat to globalism, but it's, but it is, it's the greatest

00:13:27.400 thing that could happen for our country.

00:13:28.940 This I think is really why the left is so hyper-focused on making a boogeyman out of

00:13:35.560 Christian nationalism right now. What is the opposite of nationalism? The opposite of nationalism 0.92

00:13:41.220 in our current world political order is globalism. And what is the opposite of leftism? Well, the

00:13:47.640 opposite of leftism is Christianity. The very term, the left, as we think about it, comes from the

00:13:53.100 French revolution. It comes from the people who sat on the left of the national assembly. Those were the

00:13:57.660 people who opposed the church, who opposed Christianity in France. They were the leftists.

00:14:02.780 They were the very first leftists. And so the opposite of Christian nationalism seems pretty 0.94

00:14:07.760 clearly to me is leftist globalism. And that's, that's what they're after. That's what they've

00:14:13.020 been pushing for many decades now. And so when you see such a precise threat to that, something with

00:14:18.420 that very name, Christian nationalism, you could see how, how they would freak out and make a,

00:14:24.340 make a big stink about this and try to misinterpret it or misrepresent it. But I think you've, you know,

00:14:30.060 you've explained it quite fully what you mean by this term Christian nationalism, what a lot of other

00:14:35.080 people mean. The other aspect of this that I'm, I'm sure you're seeing in Washington is if you're

00:14:41.360 afraid of a Christian country, just wait until you see a non-Christian country. If you, you know, 1.00

00:14:46.860 Absolutely.

00:14:47.300 Everybody seems to have some kind of religion. The idea that we're transgendering eight-year-olds now

00:14:52.460 and pretending that the soul has nothing to do with the body and a toddler should go to drag

00:14:56.960 queen story hour. These are moral and religious claims. They just ain't Christian. And I tell you, 1.00

00:15:02.260 if you offer me those two things, the great drag queen story hour for two-year-olds or a Christian

00:15:05.940 society, I think everybody really regardless of your background or even your particular religious

00:15:12.960 practice, you're going to choose the Christian society, right?

00:15:17.060 Oh, of course, of course they will, because let's look at what the left is doing. And I call them

00:15:22.240 the godless left because they are godless. Any, any group of people, any kind of movement, any kind of

00:15:29.040 political order that, that is, believes in using our tax dollars. And they've done this through grants,

00:15:34.820 using Americans' hard-earned tax dollars to, to perform mastectomies, to castrate, 0.66

00:15:41.500 to castrate teenage boys or younger, to provide testosterone treatment for girls as young as eight

00:15:46.720 years old. This is evil. It's completely evil. Children need to be protected. They need to be

00:15:53.420 allowed to grow up. They don't need to be brainwashed into these type of lies. That is so evil. Any type of

00:16:01.400 political movement or group that is constantly lying to women and trying to tell them that killing the 1.00

00:16:09.660 unborn baby in their womb is women's health care is such an, it's such an evil lie. I'm telling them 1.00

00:16:16.220 that they should pursue a career where they end up childless later on in life and maybe never get

00:16:21.560 married. That, that is so awful. That is a destructive, but let's look at them even further. This is the,

00:16:27.140 this, the same group of people, the Democrats or the left, we'll just go with the, the left that,

00:16:33.200 that forced everyone to take a vaccine, forced everyone to be masked, forced everyone to stay

00:16:38.980 inside where suicides increased. Um, crime has gone out of control. People are taking more

00:16:45.200 antidepressants and SSRIs than they ever have in history. And this isn't, this isn't a party or an

00:16:53.120 ideology. The left doesn't care about people. They don't care about people. As a matter of fact,

00:16:58.900 everything they're doing is destructive. It's destructive to people, but Christian nationalism 1.00

00:17:05.680 is not destructive. Not at all. In, in, in, in, in a Christian nationalist society, this is where

00:17:11.680 people are, are cared about. They're protected. They're helped. Um, this is where we, we provide

00:17:18.080 shelter for the, the homeless. We provide, we provide food for the hungry. We provide clothes for

00:17:25.380 those that don't have any, we provide skills and training for people that need to learn how to get

00:17:31.420 a job. And just like pregnancy, women's pregnancy resource center centers. This is where we provide 1.00

00:17:37.760 women with help when they became pregnant and, uh, and, and didn't plan to this. This is the kind of 1.00

00:17:43.540 people we are in Christian nationalist is, is not the boogeyman. It's, it's not what they're trying

00:17:50.940 to make it out to be, but it is the greatest threat. And, and you know what, I think we live

00:17:56.240 in a time right now, Michael, where people need God more than ever, more than ever. We have, we have

00:18:02.920 young people, especially young women that, that look to ideas and look at themselves in a way they

00:18:08.500 never should. They don't, they don't recognize the real beauty, uh, that they have inside of them

00:18:14.060 and that they are, and they strive to be something that they're not. We have young men, uh, men in our

00:18:20.160 society are basically last on the list. Men are, boys are told to sit still in school and they're not

00:18:27.560 appreciated for who they are. Uh, men are told they, they have to wait their turn and let everyone and

00:18:33.740 every other identity go first before they ever get a chance. And I believe that's completely wrong.

00:18:39.080 And then they try to tell men that their masculinity is toxic. And I believe that is completely wrong.

00:18:44.480 Uh, we're living in a time where our, our, our unique, uh, separate, um, identities as men and women,

00:18:52.120 uh, is totally abandoned where women, the good thing about us is we are nurturing and, and we are caring

00:18:59.640 and we have these great roles. And then men also are leaders and are strong and, and women need that

00:19:06.940 from men. And these, these great unique, um, identities and men and women are not appreciated

00:19:12.940 anymore and not celebrated. We're living in a time where more marriages, uh, end in divorce and then

00:19:18.520 make it. And that's tragic. It's tragic for everyone. So, um, yeah, Christian nationalism is 0.76

00:19:25.520 probably the scariest thing that the left has ever heard of. And they're going to do everything they

00:19:30.140 can to lie to everyone and make it out to something it's not. Well, even just that point, you mentioned

00:19:34.540 more Americans than ever on anti-depression drugs. I think the number is one in eight Americans are on

00:19:40.500 the anti-depression drugs, even among teenagers, 12 to 19 years old. It's something like one in 29.

00:19:46.260 You're seeing the American life expectancy decrease now several years in a row, first time ever. And

00:19:52.320 the reason for that is that, uh, you have deaths of despair, suicides, drug overdoses. So obviously just,

00:19:59.180 just from a descriptive point of view, the kids are not all right. People are sadder. They're,

00:20:06.160 they're in, in despair. And so you need some kind of hopes. Clearly we're not going in the right

00:20:11.280 direction. When you say people want God, it reminds me of that scene going all the way back to the Cold

00:20:17.180 War, right toward the end of the Cold War. Pope John Paul II shows up in Poland. Poland had been under

00:20:22.780 the thumb of the godless regime of the Soviet Union, Soviet communism for years. Pope John Paul II shows 0.78

00:20:31.280 up to do an open air mass, to celebrate the mass. And millions of Poles come out there and they chant,

00:20:36.520 we want God. We want God. It's one of the most incredible sites of the 20th century.

00:20:43.420 Now my question for you, before I let you go, I know I'm already keeping you late. My question for you is,

00:20:47.300 you're, you keep coming back to this religious point. And I think it's an important one.

00:20:51.360 As the great political philosopher Bob Dylan said, everybody's got to serve somebody. You always

00:20:57.180 have to have some kind of religious views informing your politics. All politics ultimately is theological

00:21:02.420 because you're making decisions about what's good and bad and right and wrong. Whether we're talking

00:21:07.260 about the criminal justice system, whether we're talking about parking tickets, you're always making

00:21:10.760 these moral distinctions. That's what politics is. So, so my question for you then is, with these

00:21:17.760 rising numbers of people who are agnostic, who are leaving churches, who are leaving other religions

00:21:23.080 for that matter too, it's not just Christianity, who are turning away from God. Do you think that

00:21:28.720 we want God is a winning political message? Or do you think that the kind of forces of secularism,

00:21:37.020 atheism, despair, do you think that those are on the rise?

00:21:41.120 Well, I think, I think the message of we want God or people's yearning, yearning for God is,

00:21:49.220 is far more than a political message. It couldn't even be defined that way because God can't be

00:21:54.360 defined that way. I think it is the, the connection between mankind and our creator God that can never,

00:22:03.060 ever be separated. And in the dark days that we are living in, I mean, we are living in times where I

00:22:09.240 know you and I both, and so many people never thought that we could, could see a day where

00:22:14.800 everything that is right is, is labeled wrong and, and, and the world is upside down and where lies

00:22:21.440 are just openly told, uh, openly told and presented as truth. And this is, this is such evil. And it's

00:22:28.300 in evil times is this where people yearn that connection with, with their creator, our creator,

00:22:36.280 God, and it's unstoppable. It is absolutely unstoppable. And God yearns back for that

00:22:41.600 relationship with us. And so my, my full belief is this, Michael, is if we're Christians, we are told

00:22:50.280 we, you know, we're a light and we are not to put a shade over it and we're not to cover it up.

00:22:54.740 It's to be up on a hilltop and to be, to be shown brightly. It doesn't mean that we're perfect. And it

00:23:00.740 doesn't mean that we should be judgmental of others. It doesn't mean that, um, that even that

00:23:06.400 we're always right sometimes in our thinking, but it does mean that we, we have a duty and, and, and a

00:23:14.420 commandment and we have to be obedient to what we're told to do. And that is to share our faith with

00:23:20.340 others, especially in times like this, because people need it. People need to know that they are

00:23:26.220 loved by God and, and that all that's happening to them now. And, and maybe what they're seeing

00:23:32.260 happen in their lives, that that's not what God intended for them. And he loves them far more than

00:23:36.960 that. And he sent his son, uh, to die so that their sins could be forgiven. So there there's

00:23:42.660 relationship there and to have communion and community with one another. These are all wonderful

00:23:48.400 things and we should talk about them and we should talk about them boldly. We should never back down off

00:23:54.160 of it. We should be courageous in our faith and we should persevere on no matter what the godless

00:24:01.440 line left says about, uh, people like us, you know, people like me, I'm, I'm tired of being attacked.

00:24:07.060 That's why I'm just wide open about it. Um, I'm also not going to back down. I'm attacked every day

00:24:12.340 because I say, no, there's only two genders. You know, I'm attacked in my office building. I'm attacked, 0.97

00:24:17.120 uh, where they try to say it's a hate crime for me to say stuff like that. Well, I believe it's a hate 0.99

00:24:22.020 crime. What they're doing is lying about gender and what they're doing to children. That is, those 0.96

00:24:27.100 are hate crimes. And so I believe it's, it's fundamental for us to, to be loving and kind

00:24:34.060 to one another, but it's also extremely important to stop allowing the lines to be blurred. Truth is

00:24:40.940 truth. And we have to, we have to fight for it and hold onto it. I like, I like your observation. I mean,

00:24:46.900 this is something that Christian thinkers have known, but even non-Christian thinkers have understood that

00:24:51.920 man has a natural longing for God. That is true in all places, at all times, throughout all of

00:24:57.080 history. And, uh, there, and then there is a kind of political implication to this too, which is for

00:25:03.640 most, the vast majority of American history, we have viewed politics through a Christian lens,

00:25:10.880 through the lens of a Christian moral framework, through the lens of Christianity broadly, going

00:25:17.320 back all the way to the pilgrims on the Mayflower and all the way up until very recent decades.

00:25:20.660 In recent decades, there has been a concerted effort by leftist radicals to upend all of that.

00:25:26.600 And if you, if you judge the tree by its fruit, you look at the fruit of what that cultural

00:25:30.320 revolution has caused, people are not flourishing in the way they once were. People are more miserable.

00:25:35.600 People are more despondent. The country is, is really not better off because of that radical

00:25:41.600 ideology. So maybe it's time to revisit a little bit of the wisdom of the past and the things that

00:25:47.240 have made America great in the past. Hopefully they can. Again, Congresswoman Green, thank you so much

00:25:52.140 for coming on the show. Very much appreciate it. Thank you, Michael. I enjoyed it.

00:25:56.520 Thank you.

00:26:06.700 Thank you.

00:26:08.540 Bye.

00:26:09.420 Thank you.

00:26:10.520 Bye.

00:26:11.640 Bye.

00:26:12.540 Bye.

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The Michael Knowles Show - July 30, 2022

Why The Left Is Terrified Of Christian Nationalism ｜ Marjorie Taylor Greene

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