The Michael Knowles Show - November 01, 2026


＂Wolves Who Kill Other Wolves＂ Jim Caviezel Discusses GHOST SOLDIER

Ep. 2093 - Very Bad Ideas： Dune 3 Popcorn Bucket & Fully AI Movie

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00:00:30.000 I really, I'm really grateful for you to do this interview. It's one of the best moments I've had on camera with another individual. See, we're not doing a faith-based interview. We're just talking truth, man. My wife always says, yes, but make sure love is in there. I said, honey, love is in truth. There is no separation. There's truth in love. There should be love in truth.
00:00:55.060 i hate most movies that come out i especially hate conservative movies because they're terrible
00:01:01.780 i really hate most christian movies i'm real fun to be around at parties
00:01:06.200 i love the movie that is coming out november 11th starring a friend of mine that is i guess
00:01:15.380 you could call it kind of conservative i guess you could call it christian i get it is so good
00:01:20.640 and you need to go see it and the movie is ghost soldier starring a man who needs no introduction
00:01:26.440 whatsoever mr jim caviezel jim thank you for making time i really appreciate it michael so
00:01:34.460 michael i did a movie years ago uh the count of monte cristo i i saw it in theaters i loved it
00:01:41.240 yeah well you know most people i ran into uh the guy that um paid for it roger birnbaum and
00:01:50.380 And Gary Barber, and they told me we were on the Sony lot because I was doing this Ghost Soldier.
00:01:57.580 And they said, yeah, Monte Cristo was our biggest film ever.
00:02:01.640 I was flabbergasted when they said that.
00:02:03.820 And I said, well, we only made $80 million at the box office.
00:02:08.720 I mean, that's a lot.
00:02:09.660 But he said, yes, but, and I said, but wasn't Sixth Sense your biggest film ever?
00:02:16.080 and he said yeah well it was until monte cristo beat it and i said why didn't we only you know
00:02:23.460 we only did 80 million dollars at the box office i think six cents did like 670 million
00:02:29.520 that was back when it was seven dollars a ticket and i i and i i've asked people and they said well
00:02:37.220 there were a lot of you know swashbucklers that weren't that good you know there was probably
00:02:42.500 three or four of them and they're just touching swords but guy pierce and i we really worked on
00:02:48.640 you know the technique and made it look the way it would look and then there was one element about
00:02:55.520 it which was a man's search for meaning um god will give me justice and they didn't sell that
00:03:01.100 and and god is a essential part of our lives like water the water is in this film you know
00:03:11.280 at it and without your uh water you know you can't grow anything you live you know 30 days
00:03:20.920 um essentially you could live quite a while without food but water you know you'd be dead
00:03:27.840 in days without it and and so that was kind of the first thing when i read this script i said
00:03:34.800 okay i like i like where this is going and then we started building the character up from there
00:03:41.040 from all the operatives that I've worked with.
00:03:44.420 So for the people who haven't yet heard about the movie,
00:03:48.200 the movie is about this former special ops guy
00:03:50.860 who is kind of, I don't know,
00:03:53.460 he's like James Bond and Q rolled into one.
00:03:56.200 Like he's developing weapons.
00:03:57.820 He does his own thing.
00:03:58.760 He lives in the middle of the woods on a river.
00:04:01.660 And there's this big corporation that comes in.
00:04:04.500 They want to take control of the water.
00:04:05.720 This is a very live political issue
00:04:07.420 as people are building AI data centers. 0.69
00:04:09.860 And from there, your character, Fitz, has to go off and save the town, save the world, and kill all the bad guys.
00:04:20.900 Corporations have quite a bit of power.
00:04:23.300 Foreign corporations do.
00:04:25.560 And it begs for the audience to ask the question, who's really in charge of our government?
00:04:34.180 Who's really, you know, is the president, the buck stops there.
00:04:39.300 you know harry truman and um we'll find out that that no we're really not in control of our own
00:04:46.740 destiny and americans um want to be in control um it's by the people um for the people and so uh
00:04:57.860 americans are generally waking up to the fact that you know we've been slaves here
00:05:02.020 um and i started going into a lot of this uh studying the um things they never brought up
00:05:10.960 to us like for example the corporation act of 1871 the fed of 1933 um going off the gold and
00:05:19.240 silver 1933 and then going on to the fiat currency in around 72 and and our our currency being
00:05:26.940 devalued the way it has been and my character has worked with a lot a lot a lot of people um
00:05:35.740 guys that have gone off the grid and gone bad guys that are operators that are real talented killers
00:05:43.100 um guys that um um essentially have have become uh wolves and go after the people and there but
00:05:54.380 but there are guys that are the sheep herding dogs
00:05:57.260 or converted wolf that kill other wolves.
00:06:01.020 And that's kind of who Fitz is.
00:06:03.540 You know, I'm watching the movie last night.
00:06:05.900 You guys were kind enough to send me a screener.
00:06:08.660 And I had a little notepad and a pen
00:06:11.440 just to take a few notes before the interview.
00:06:13.340 And the first line that your character says
00:06:16.240 that I had to write down and bring up
00:06:18.020 is the point you just brought up.
00:06:19.400 It says, corporate tyranny is still tyranny.
00:06:22.380 And this is a little shocking to many of the Beltway establishment Republican types, because for so many years, the Democrat Party was the party of trying to give out welfare, and the Republican Party was the party of defending big corporations.
00:06:36.080 And no one even questioned that.
00:06:38.200 They said, well, you know, American freedom means that if Google is oppressing you, you just got to build your own Google as if such a thing were possible, as if these corporations are even entirely private entities.
00:06:48.460 Many of them are very well integrated within the government.
00:06:50.920 This is an idea.
00:06:52.720 It's not a new idea, but it's an idea that we're beginning to remember a little bit on the American right.
00:06:56.840 And I think the movie is pretty avant-garde, actually, in calling attention to it.
00:07:01.020 It is.
00:07:03.340 We're getting a hold of our narrative again.
00:07:08.560 And even in film, we lost control of that for quite a long time.
00:07:12.600 We're doing all these woke movies.
00:07:13.920 People aren't going to movies any longer.
00:07:16.840 And when I went into Sony and they were willing to give this shot,
00:07:21.640 we were talking about why people have stopped going to the theaters.
00:07:26.420 And you don't make anything that we love.
00:07:29.880 You go after movies like, ridicule movies like The Passion of the Christ.
00:07:34.900 I mentioned something earlier.
00:07:36.280 When we did The Passion of the Christ, Michael, Mel, me, and the rest of us, 0.98
00:07:43.220 we weren't out to say oh we're a faith-based movie we were out there to whoop your ass we're 0.97
00:07:49.080 going to win you're going to lose we have we're going to put a team together you can't beat us 0.98
00:07:53.760 and um uh and you know winning has a it has a price it if you want to win you know if you look
00:08:06.340 at like Nick Saban. He was just watching how he was training guys. And these kids would be like,
00:08:13.100 I want to play in the NFL. Okay. So you go to Alabama and you start playing for them. Well,
00:08:19.160 you've realized that winning has a price. It's hard. You can't win where I'm in the mode of
00:08:25.920 what I feel. I remember watching Michael Jordan play when he was playing against Utah in the
00:08:32.360 western conference finals he had the flu he had to play through the flu when i was doing the passion
00:08:38.700 i had my shoulder ripped out uh i was hypothermia and i had both my lungs and pneumonia um but i
00:08:46.940 understood that this god that loved me gave me an opportunity to do something and i said this is
00:08:53.000 what i wanted to do and i didn't at the time know that you know ever i was going to be called to
00:08:59.520 task. Jim, you also skipped over the fact that you were struck by lightning. I know I, there
00:09:04.060 were so many crazy things happened. You forgot about the getting struck by lightning part.
00:09:08.160 Yeah, that was, that was a big, uh, yeah, lit me up like a Christmas tree, man. Um,
00:09:15.580 but, uh, I wanted to do things in this industry that were extraordinary. You know, when I first
00:09:23.320 came down to Hollywood. Um, I was, you know, started as a waiter and I did worked at this
00:09:31.120 Jerry Weintraub's house. He's a big, uh, movie producer, uh, and, uh, worked with many of my
00:09:38.500 friends, uh, over the years. And, but anyway, I was a waiter and, and, uh, we were told by the
00:09:44.260 secret service, you know, uh, and, and the, the guy that was running the head of all the waiters
00:09:50.080 said, look, if you talk to any of these celebrities, you know, we'll fire you on the spot. I happened
00:09:56.160 to be, had a tray of champagne glasses and there was real crystal. So I had to hold it with both
00:10:03.920 my hands because I'd never done that before. And, and I was serving Warren Beatty at the time. And
00:10:10.820 I looked over and I saw Jimmy Stewart, you know, it was like, to me, he was Jesus.
00:10:15.400 Wow.
00:10:15.920 So I said, well, I could get fired talking to that guy.
00:10:20.480 So I went over and I said, Mr. Stewart, would you like something to drink?
00:10:25.140 He said, yeah, would I go to the Scotch?
00:10:27.440 Yes, I'd love a drink.
00:10:29.740 That's good.
00:10:31.960 So I went over and talked to him and his wife, and, you know, he was just a regular dude.
00:10:39.960 And I told him that I applied to the U.S. Naval Academy three times and I didn't get in.
00:10:46.380 And then I had a shot at West Point.
00:10:50.040 And he said, well, what are you doing here?
00:10:51.820 And I said, you know, I was trying to act.
00:10:56.000 And I said that you were a big part of what I thought that, you know, I was supposed to do in this life, you know.
00:11:02.960 And I talked about It's a Wonderful Life with him and everything.
00:11:06.480 And we went on.
00:11:07.140 And I remember his wife looking over at him going, see, you have done, you know, something, you know, look at what, you know, I was early, early 20s.
00:11:17.340 And so I look over and I see the guy that told, you know, had essentially threatened us and he said, you're gone.
00:11:30.040 and um and i walked away and he goes young man he called out and he says uh you you make good
00:11:36.940 movies and so uh i you know that was kind of the path i wanted to go and and uh i had also the
00:11:45.940 the understanding of faith faith is a big big deal this is where um you know are you going to run
00:11:53.520 are you going to stand and fight? And I used that in this character. A lot of the operators that I
00:12:02.060 worked with had on their neck, like I do, and it was Michael the Archangel. And so I thought that
00:12:11.780 would be something of very value. And I've asked these guys, are you Catholic or religious? And
00:12:21.860 they go, no, I'm not. It's like better than a lucky rabbit's foot. The most fascinating part
00:12:29.720 of that interaction with Jimmy Stewart is what his wife said when she says, see, Jimmy, you really
00:12:36.000 have done some good in the world. To think that one of the great movie stars of all time would
00:12:41.820 have that doubt. And yet we all do. No matter your station in life, whether you're a waiter or you're
00:12:46.780 the president of the United States or you're a movie star or you're a special operator, whatever
00:12:50.280 you are, you have this question, is what I am doing meaningful? Does it actually matter?
00:12:58.100 And I think about, I mean, you mentioned Jimmy Stewart's movies inspired you. I was an atheist
00:13:03.200 for 10 years, as I think I may have mentioned to you before. And when I was about 13, around my
00:13:07.940 confirmation, that was the time that I was really falling away from the faith. And there was one
00:13:12.880 thing that kind of planted a seed that spurred me back into the faith for a little bit, really
00:13:18.500 planted a seed for my return about 10 years later. And it was your movie. It was The Passion of the
00:13:23.260 Christ where I left the movie and I thought, oh, wow, shoot, all of this atheism I've been falling
00:13:27.800 into, that might be kind of a bunch of bunk. I don't know. And then, you know, I kind of put it
00:13:32.020 out of my head or whatever. That kind of returns to you later on. And you think, okay, you've had
00:13:37.500 the opportunity. Look, you've played the most iconic role in not just the greatest Christian
00:13:43.500 movie ever made, but certainly one of the greatest movies ever made, period, full stop. To your point,
00:13:48.500 you want to win, you just want to make great stuff and win, and there's no excuses. Okay,
00:13:52.740 so you've had all of that. Now you come out with this movie, Ghost Soldier, and I had this fear
00:13:58.660 going in. It wasn't too bad a fear because I said, I don't know, if Jim's doing it, it's probably a
00:14:01.820 pretty good movie. But I said, I hope it's not too heavy-handed and too didactic and it's not
00:14:06.920 just going to be like a conservative movie or a Christian movie. And then very shortly after
00:14:10.960 turning the movie on, I say, oh no, no, no, we're in a real movie here. And this character is a
00:14:15.480 really compelling character and it's a marvelous movie to watch. And it makes really great religious
00:14:19.880 points and really great political points. And it's actually kind of avant-garde and thoughtful
00:14:23.040 on its politics. It probably would appeal to a lot of people on the left too, at least at some
00:14:27.840 level. And then the other thing I thought is this is a franchise. This easily, I could imagine like
00:14:33.740 a dozen other ghost soldier movies being made. So one, where did the concept come from? And two,
00:14:40.020 When are we getting number two?
00:14:41.140 Even I know people haven't even seen number one yet, but when are we getting Ghost Soldier 2?
00:14:46.200 Well, that has to do with the economy.
00:14:49.760 It really does.
00:14:51.500 What if the American public love it and come out and watch it, they always make another one.
00:15:00.660 But I can assure you this.
00:15:02.860 If we make another one, it has to be at least this good or better.
00:15:07.060 you know uh why why even you know make it and it will always have a bit of controversy why
00:15:14.800 because the truth is controversial as the passion was controversial as his love for us
00:15:21.260 is controversial it always will remain that way and that and you and i've said this before do you
00:15:30.040 In this world, you can be liked by many, but are you willing to risk it all to be loved by one?
00:15:41.900 And not much has changed in 2,000 years.
00:15:45.160 In fact, Jesus is more controversial now than he's ever been.
00:15:49.240 And really think about that.
00:15:51.120 How does he line up with the world? 0.78
00:15:52.860 How does he go with transgender politics, the woke agenda? 0.98
00:15:58.720 Where is Jesus in that? 0.98
00:16:00.040 If we had made a gay Jesus, a transgender Jesus, it probably would have won me an Academy Award. 1.00
00:16:09.840 The people would have hated me, and they should. 1.00
00:16:13.460 So I was also thinking about when Jimmy Stewart died, the day he died, I think it was like July.
00:16:24.440 It had to be around 7th, 1997, somewhere in there.
00:16:28.680 That was the day that I shot the scene with Sean Penn in the brig in the Thin Red Line.
00:16:36.880 And my whole life was changing.
00:16:39.020 And that day, we went out and we all played basketball together.
00:16:44.180 And so George Clooney asked Carrie and I to join him for dinner.
00:16:49.320 And we sat together.
00:16:51.620 And he started, I said that Jimmy Stewart died today.
00:16:55.460 And then I told him the story that I told you.
00:16:57.480 And he said, you know, my aunt, I said, who's your aunt?
00:17:01.420 He said, Rosemary Clooney.
00:17:02.900 And I said, was she the woman in White Christmas? 0.98
00:17:06.520 He goes, yeah, she could sing.
00:17:08.500 And I said, she was an amazing singer.
00:17:10.780 And I said, I didn't know that was your aunt and everything.
00:17:14.660 And he said, well, we were at Jimmy Stewart's house and on his TV.
00:17:19.680 And I finished his sentence.
00:17:21.140 I said, was an Academy Award.
00:17:22.940 He goes, yeah, so you've been in the house.
00:17:25.020 I said, well, yeah, that's another story.
00:17:26.720 He eventually invited me in to his place.
00:17:32.560 And before I left on the Thin Red Line, I knew he was very sick.
00:17:36.600 The wife had died.
00:17:37.820 And I knocked on the door.
00:17:40.180 And the maid, she saw me.
00:17:42.400 And I said, I gave him a get well card.
00:17:45.420 And I said, I finally made it.
00:17:47.220 And, you know, Stuart was looking at the Academy Award that, you know, Clooney was talking about.
00:17:58.240 And he goes, yeah, I haven't really done much in his life.
00:18:01.400 Isn't that amazing?
00:18:02.700 You know, he was a brigadier general.
00:18:04.460 He did 26 missions over Nazi Germany.
00:18:07.740 This guy, I can't even know how many films this guy did.
00:18:13.340 And he felt like he had not done much.
00:18:16.720 in this life and so why is that do you think
00:18:20.520 well at some point i think we all run out of time on this earth
00:18:29.980 and i i think there comes a point and that's a part of the process it's a great question i think
00:18:37.960 we run out of time and part of the the process of growth is that we have to get old
00:18:46.080 and part of that is is uh humiliation and you know humility only comes through humiliation
00:18:54.260 and so um that is the you know when you're the when someone is uh saying things like you know
00:19:05.460 i used to be able to do this i used to be able to do that well i'm already doing that i mean
00:19:10.000 And there was a time when I ran a 108 quarter and I could pull a 432 mile.
00:19:17.500 And I always thought.
00:19:18.280 Yeah, me too.
00:19:18.860 Me too.
00:19:19.320 Yeah.
00:19:19.880 Don't look up the records.
00:19:22.160 You have steroids in the brain, dude.
00:19:26.300 Everybody's given a gift. 1.00
00:19:27.500 But even being at that level, my teammate could kick my ass. 1.00
00:19:33.100 He runs 17 seconds faster than me. 0.99
00:19:35.380 So I thought nothing of it until I was doing a film with the SEAL teams.
00:19:42.680 And when we were in Coronado and I was with my buddy, and I can't say his name, but anyway, a lot of these guys are still active.
00:19:52.860 And I always thought I would be able to run like that or move like that.
00:19:58.260 you know, and, and then of course then one injury happens and then, um, one foot needs a plate in it.
00:20:06.420 And, and, and, and so you got to work with what you, what you can, you know, um, don't let what
00:20:12.920 you can't do interfere with what you can do. Right. So that's John Wooden there, I think. Um,
00:20:19.880 but, uh, and he was another big influence in my life, coach Wooden. And, um, he was my dad's
00:20:26.580 coach at UCLA and, uh, uh, and I used to go to his camps when I was a little guy, but, um, uh,
00:20:35.360 so I would say that that would be the thing. And, and I used a lot of that in Ghost Soldier.
00:20:41.460 And this guy is still, but what, what's there is quite, uh, extraordinary. And, um, and the,
00:20:48.640 and those relationships that you have from Coronado, from those, those are still my friends
00:20:55.340 today and they help uh build me up and and create this character uh you know henry fitz
00:21:02.620 fitz simons um and we were uh uh able to take that and over time there's just little things
00:21:12.200 that you look at weapons you know when guys look at your um how you handle a gun uh you just have
00:21:18.800 that it thing that they go. And that's just from what those veterans have given me over the years
00:21:25.620 and have been so on top of, you know, just those little, little details that are going to set you
00:21:35.180 apart on why people believe that you're this character. Yeah, of course. Of course. I mean,
00:21:40.220 that not just if you're a SEAL, you know, where you can probably discern, okay, actually the
00:21:45.640 finger's not in the right place or it's not, but really anyone it's, it's of course, throwing
00:21:50.000 yourself into that entirely. It's all of those, those little details in minutia, but there's a
00:21:57.760 lot of humility required for that. You know, I mean, this kind of back to the Jimmy Stewart point,
00:22:01.700 I was reading various Pauline epistles last night, and there's this amazing paradox that,
00:22:07.260 that Paul has, which is on the one hand, he says, I'm more a servant of Christ than any of these
00:22:12.820 people. I work harder than all of these people. I have more Jewish credibility than all of these
00:22:17.700 people. I got more credibility with the Gentiles than all of these people. I've suffered more. 0.99
00:22:21.100 I've been in prison more. I'm like, I'm the man. And then on the other hand, he says,
00:22:26.120 oh, I'm not fit to be called an apostle. I'm the least of the apostles. I'm the worst of all
00:22:30.500 sinners. I'm nothing. And that seems like a contradiction, but it's not really a contradiction
00:22:35.900 because what does Paul say? He says, it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me.
00:22:40.760 And so I glory in my accomplishments that have been wrought in me by Christ.
00:22:46.360 You know, it's this amazing thing where whether you're at the absolute height of your profession or you're working in obscurity or wherever you are, eventually you're going to die.
00:22:56.300 And even the Academy Award isn't going to matter.
00:22:58.300 It's just going to rot and rust and turn to nothing.
00:23:00.960 And so the question is just what are you living for and what does winning really mean?
00:23:07.620 What does accomplishment really mean?
00:23:08.820 What does greatness really mean?
00:23:10.760 Yes, that's a great point. My favorite line from Paul is, to live is Christ, to die is gain. To live is Christ, to die is gain.
00:23:22.680 And, you know, I was visiting this, we go to this church sometimes and they have a nursing home there and a lot of the people that are in the wheelchair.
00:23:41.900 and then after mass we'll take them back to their rooms and this woman i just kind of started taking
00:23:52.060 her back to her room and she kind of visited with me a bit and i'd see a picture of her her family
00:23:59.260 and everything and but i never see them and i just finally asked her why don't i ever see your you
00:24:05.180 you know, your kids and stuff. And she said, it's too much for them to handle
00:24:10.520 that they see me like this. See like what? That they know I'm going to die, that I have
00:24:17.840 emphysema. And I said, that's terrible. You know, that they're that coward. What's going to happen
00:24:24.900 when they get to that point? Right. You know, going to visit them. And so I looked at this
00:24:32.620 character fits like that you know like this boy would you help a boy out i think fitz still
00:24:39.100 remembers what it was like when he was a boy and how hard it was for him and there was nobody there
00:24:45.660 probably is one of the things that drove him to um when i was filming with ridley scott
00:24:53.580 and we were out doing the beat uh the torture training they uh would say uh um you can't hurt
00:25:04.380 us you can't hurt us some of the guys were actually um seals and um but they get to a point
00:25:12.060 when they're doing the surf torture and it's freezing freezing cold the one guy who's no
00:25:17.100 Oh, God bless him.
00:25:18.380 He's no longer with us anymore. 0.97
00:25:19.980 Hashim Shalom. 0.83
00:25:21.500 Hash.
00:25:22.800 He would, it was just freezing.
00:25:26.380 And you could, you know, you get hypothermia in the water and he'd just smile.
00:25:32.120 And he goes, Jim, you got all these contusions in your body.
00:25:35.560 You got all this, and that salt water is going to suck all that stuff out.
00:25:39.020 And he says, so this is a really good thing.
00:25:41.100 I remember that when I was doing the passion, but he gave me a little bit of help, you know,
00:25:46.760 and how to handle some of that torture.
00:25:49.940 You've got to see it as a good thing.
00:25:53.960 The part of the things that Fitz went through in his life as a young man,
00:26:02.820 I think that he was able to see himself in that boy
00:26:06.340 and at this time that he could actually do something
00:26:10.880 and help not just him but the entire family and get involved.
00:26:15.000 you know they've been wanting to isolate us in this country divide us and isolate us they they
00:26:22.060 put masks on us and say you you have to stay in your house and i think people are tired of that 0.94
00:26:28.860 bullshit right about now that and fitz is not gonna deal with that anymore he knows what really 0.88
00:26:35.040 is going on and and uh so the good samaritan part of the story is very real but what i'm saying is 0.98
00:26:43.760 It's like, Jimmy Stewart did these.
00:26:46.020 John Wayne did these stories.
00:26:47.820 Yes.
00:26:48.740 We learn from them.
00:26:50.640 You know, I think it's now, I can't answer any other actor.
00:26:54.520 All I can tell you is what I'm going to do.
00:26:56.980 And I will remain controversial.
00:26:59.060 And that's okay.
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00:28:35.540 may apply. I love the point. I just made the connection between the Jimmy Stewart anecdote
00:28:41.980 and this movie and this character and this, which is, okay, you're talking to Sony and you say,
00:28:47.200 well, why aren't people going to the movies anymore? You say, because you're making things
00:28:50.940 that we don't want to watch and you're contrary to the truth, first of all, and you're insulting
00:28:56.560 the audience. And so how about we stop doing that and we make movies that are true, that ring true,
00:29:02.200 that do not insult the audience left and right.
00:29:05.220 And a lot of modern people would say,
00:29:07.620 well, no, there's no real appetite for that.
00:29:09.960 You can't, what are you going to do?
00:29:11.460 What are you going to do?
00:29:12.000 Make a movie like Jimmy Stewart or John Wayne, I'd say?
00:29:15.840 A movie like the most successful movie stars ever?
00:29:17.940 Like, maybe that's a good idea.
00:29:19.120 I don't know, you know, it worked for a very long time.
00:29:21.460 Maybe there's a reason for that.
00:29:23.680 And that was the sense that I got watching this movie
00:29:25.940 is you feel like you're watching Hondo or something
00:29:28.500 or, you know, The Searchers, right?
00:29:29.740 I don't know, there's a journey that you're going on.
00:29:31.980 you're even out there in this beautiful scenery, but there's a deep sense of justice and there's
00:29:39.800 a deeply religious element. I mean, to go back to the St. Michael point, the St. Michael prayer
00:29:44.780 and the invocation of St. Michael is a big motif in the movie. And that also is happening right
00:29:51.480 now. Even though it's an older prayer, it's a kind of avant-garde because you're seeing a return to
00:29:56.040 that. I go to mass and I hear more and more people praying the St. Michael prayer after mass, as was
00:30:01.260 initially the case when Pope Leo XIII wrote the St. Michael Prayer. St. Michael Prayer, it's a
00:30:07.060 pretty masculine prayer. For people who don't know what it is, it's St. Michael the Archangel,
00:30:10.740 defend us in battle, be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God
00:30:14.600 rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou, a prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God,
00:30:18.380 thrust into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of 0.79
00:30:22.600 souls. This is not just like sappy 1970s hymns that your granny might like. This is pretty tough 0.96
00:30:28.940 stuff. Why is it the case? For goodness sakes, my friend, Charlie Kirk, who was Protestant,
00:30:35.620 though he was, he was Catholic curious, but he was, he was a Protestant. He wore a St. Michael
00:30:39.900 medal. He was wearing one the day he was murdered. And so there is this appeal of the St. Michael
00:30:47.320 prayer, this kind of spiritual combat. At the same time, there are some bishops who are trying
00:30:53.980 to remove the Saint Michael prayer after masses. There are people, I've seen this, some liberal
00:30:59.760 pundits who are saying this, you shouldn't pray the Saint Michael prayer that, you know, obviously
00:31:04.380 this is all part of spiritual combat. Why is it coming to a head right now?
00:31:11.840 This is the last moment of good versus evil. The Saint Michael prayer, Pope Leo, and I think that
00:31:21.800 was around 1864 maybe yeah maybe a little later somewhere around there yeah it's around there i
00:31:28.340 knew it was close to lincoln but um he was in a side chapel and he saw the devil come up to god
00:31:37.680 and said give me one century and i'll destroy your church it's kind of similar to what happened with
00:31:43.900 Job, and God gave him the 20th century. And I think it really kicked off in 1917 in Fatima
00:31:55.540 is when it kicked off. And there have been more people that have been murdered, killed
00:32:02.280 uh in wars and then if you also take a hold of the numbers of abortions
00:32:10.240 um you know the central bank controls about 208 countries so i would say i think the number is
00:32:18.560 about 45 million a year and all the their countries that they um practice abortion
00:32:25.620 sacrificing babies. During the time of Moses, they were sacrificing the babies. Moloch, 0.76
00:32:33.240 the Canaanites, all worshiping, all of that. And that is still prevalent today. And it is 0.88
00:32:40.780 infiltrated inside the church. And those that commit these wicked actions know what I'm talking
00:32:47.500 about and know that yes um they practice it it's still and they're involved in it and so they have
00:32:56.240 their superiors that tell them stop doing this michael prayer um and and not just the michael
00:33:03.740 prayer but the rosary the rosary is you know people say it's uh ridiculous no the rosary is 0.91
00:33:11.160 important because if you go into a muslim prison they're not going to give you a christian bible
00:33:15.900 they you're if you learn the rosary you get to pray matthew mark luke and john every day um and
00:33:25.280 those also connect to the beginning the the uh torah all all books they all connect together
00:33:35.280 all right and there's possibility the book of enoch and several of these other ones
00:33:40.200 they need to be looked at they're actually quoted in the scripture in genesis and needs
00:33:45.500 to be looked at and um we shouldn't be able to pray be afraid to cross-examine any of that
00:33:50.580 so if you're going to be bold um as a bishop and say no more um praying the saint michael i would
00:33:58.180 say what part of that prayer is like wicked to you yeah defend us and you know what we're why
00:34:05.360 would you do that yeah and and look at all of these you know navy seals that i've worked with
00:34:11.600 and delta force the or the green beret operator that carries the saint michael um you know a lot
00:34:18.340 of these guys i ask him why do you have that and they said well it beats the the uh rabbit's foot
00:34:23.720 you know it there's something about it it it their guardian angel you know like tells them yes
00:34:31.580 this is a great weapon for you and and um when i'm working with um i had a guy who's a delta
00:34:41.060 operator and he um i said you know when i'm was doing the marine training they would say get your
00:34:47.280 weapon your gun right i call it a gun they said that's your weapon you know so weapon weapon and
00:34:53.740 so i asked him you know uh why you keep calling my uh my uh which was been trained out of me so
00:35:05.380 And I said, weapon, weapon, weapon.
00:35:08.160 And I said, why do you keep calling it a gun?
00:35:11.220 Like I was correcting him.
00:35:12.940 And this thing was loaded.
00:35:15.000 He stood right in front of it, right in front of it,
00:35:19.280 and right to his chest.
00:35:21.420 And he said, I don't have a weapon on me,
00:35:26.980 but am I not a weapon?
00:35:30.580 When he's looking at me, he says, I don't even have a gun.
00:35:34.080 And I said, but I'm still a weapon, aren't I? That's the difference between me and them. Now, I wouldn't say that with force recon, you know, but it eventually, if when you, you know, Pramagam training, everything in this room that I'm looking at can be a weapon, you know, and where it's going to be used.
00:35:53.800 And so there's a connection between that and going after evil.
00:36:03.860 And these guys have this genetic thing that's in them that is, I think it's either suicide or laying their life down for something.
00:36:16.340 And it's just inbred it. And they chose the way of laying their life down for somebody they love.
00:36:24.560 And it happens to be their country.
00:36:27.260 That's a good psychological insight, which is for most people, you know, anybody who's,
00:36:32.460 everybody's got some talent. Everybody's got something that they're good at or they could
00:36:36.760 be good at. And it's all different in this diverse world. But everybody could use those
00:36:43.620 skills or in those talents for good or for evil. The very worst people in the history of the world
00:36:48.840 probably could have been the greatest saints. And the greatest saints in the history of the world
00:36:52.700 probably could have been some of the very worst villains. But you can either turn it toward the
00:36:58.600 good or turn it toward evil. And so I love that. I mean, you see that come out in the movie. You
00:37:05.900 see this sense of the Fitz character. This guy could be a bad guy. This guy could be like one
00:37:13.100 of the villains who shows up, you see this in the politician characters. You see this in the
00:37:18.000 corporate lobbyist characters. These are people, in fact, there's a pivotal scene during an
00:37:22.200 interrogation where one of these characters, you think you could do so much good. Why are you
00:37:27.920 selling yourself out? And the other, you know, what's amazing too, I don't want to give away
00:37:31.440 any spoilers from the movie, but when people do turn to evil, when people are corrupt, whether
00:37:37.140 in the private sector or in government, one of the things that always really bums me out about it
00:37:42.500 It's not just that they might go to hell
00:37:44.140 and all the pain they've inflicted
00:37:45.480 on innocent people and all the rest.
00:37:47.620 It's that when they try to sell their souls,
00:37:50.140 they sell them so cheap.
00:37:52.260 Some politician gets caught
00:37:53.860 and he sold out for what?
00:37:56.380 A few hundred grand or something.
00:37:58.000 You say, that's it?
00:37:58.780 You're not even,
00:37:59.240 you didn't even get $30 million.
00:38:01.220 It was just, you sold out for like a,
00:38:03.240 I don't know, like a nice Land Rover.
00:38:05.160 Come on, isn't your soul worth more than that?
00:38:08.300 That's amazing.
00:38:09.680 Yeah.
00:38:10.080 like one piece of silver instead of 30.
00:38:14.880 I don't recommend the 30 either, but like one, come on. What are you thinking?
00:38:19.260 Yeah, no, it's, um, it's, uh, you know, it's a, it's a gift to, to, uh, uh, I, I've said to
00:38:30.920 people, you know, I know once you find out how much God loves you, but then I want to love him
00:38:37.440 back he saved me and i love him and i want the world to know and you know i never they say oh
00:38:47.040 you know one day you know my father has many mansions and we'll have a mansion in in heaven
00:38:53.360 or something i said i'll take the ditch next to his house i i want to be that close to him that
00:38:59.920 that's not i i i want to um protect him guard him and he gave me the greatest gift and i want to
00:39:09.200 share that with others because they may have the same kind of feeling inside and said keep keep
00:39:14.160 going there you know um the uh um i mean i could go on and on about um the your treasures in heaven
00:39:25.200 and everything but you know when jesus talks about being worth your salt i in my deepest prayer
00:39:34.560 while i was doing the passion it how it was explained to me from him was that you have um
00:39:42.400 what does that mean and your salt has its own flavor right but when you lose that you you're
00:39:49.680 not able to appreciate and you and you don't have are not ever you're not able to have gratitude
00:39:56.080 anymore when you lose the holy spirit it'd be like a multi-billionaire whose friend gives him 0.87
00:40:02.900 a ferrari and he says oh shit i gotta just more stuff i gotta take care of i'd be just like over
00:40:09.820 the moon if i had my own ferrari right but to them it's like there's more stuff i gotta take 0.93
00:40:15.920 care of. And they lose that zest for life. You know, and I think that we were talking about age
00:40:21.620 earlier. I don't want to lose that in any age bracket I'm in. Because if I'm in my 80s, I'm
00:40:30.880 grateful that I'm alive. This producer that did this movie, Peter Guber, he's, I met him 15 years
00:40:43.680 ago and you know he was at that time he was getting steph curry with the golden state warriors
00:40:49.960 so this last year i told him i said i'm going to make a film for you you're going to do
00:40:54.840 unbelievable on this film which is ghost soldier and i it is it's a film that like monte cristo
00:41:01.300 is worth seeing it's a film that you're going to you know really engage and lean forward and watch
00:41:07.320 i can attest i'm pretty i'm very harsh i'm very harsh on movies and i'm also overworked right now
00:41:12.740 and basically the only TV I watch is the Yankees.
00:41:15.240 I did watch the Brewers last night
00:41:16.460 only because it's a fun story.
00:41:18.360 But I like, I watch basically nothing
00:41:19.940 and I have a dim view of almost everything that comes out,
00:41:22.740 including from friends of mine.
00:41:24.280 The movie's terrific.
00:41:25.680 I just loved it.
00:41:26.640 I loved watching every minute of it.
00:41:28.360 I told you I want to see number two ASAP.
00:41:31.000 I was kind of, I was hoping,
00:41:32.760 just to bring the audience in a little bit,
00:41:34.100 I was hoping to get out to LA
00:41:35.540 to film something in person with you for the movie.
00:41:39.520 And I couldn't do it
00:41:41.260 because I was doing a rather Catholic thing
00:41:44.820 and having another baby around that time.
00:41:47.240 So it was like one of the few reasons.
00:41:50.020 That was the right thing to do. 1.00
00:41:52.120 I would have kicked your ass if you did that. 1.00
00:41:54.740 If you'd have come. 1.00
00:41:55.980 I had a few friends who had invited me
00:41:58.380 to different things around that time.
00:42:00.220 And when I, almost all Catholic.
00:42:02.340 And when I told them, I said,
00:42:03.340 look, I really, really want to do this,
00:42:05.060 but I have this,
00:42:05.980 there's this one thing keeping me away from it. 0.93
00:42:07.720 And they all said, damn right. 0.93
00:42:09.480 Yeah, you better stay there. 0.96
00:42:10.520 or get your priorities in order. I said, no, no, of course. But I can attest, the movie is
00:42:15.760 phenomenal. It's really, really good. And one of the themes in the movie that before I let you go,
00:42:21.500 I really want to get to, because it's a theme both for the character and for your own personal
00:42:25.900 life. And it's something that I've been obsessed with recently is the theme of callings, of
00:42:31.320 vocations. I was thinking of the rich young man in the gospels who he goes up to Jesus and he says,
00:42:37.200 hey, what do I need to have eternal life? And he says, keep the commandments. He goes,
00:42:40.480 I already keep the commandments. I keep the commandments. I'm the king of keeping the
00:42:43.380 commandments. He says, okay, great. Then the thing you need to do is give up all your possessions
00:42:47.060 and follow me. And the young man says, well, I don't really want to do that. And he goes away
00:42:53.800 sorrowful. And I had never noticed it about this verse before, but it is really counterintuitive
00:43:01.820 that he goes away sorrowful because Christ says, okay, you can either do exactly what you want to
00:43:06.340 do, or you can do things that you don't want to do and give up all the stuff that you really like
00:43:11.420 and follow me and suffer for it. And the young man says, well, I'm going to keep doing all the
00:43:15.400 stuff that I want to do. So you would expect him to go away happy because he's doing exactly what
00:43:20.100 he wants to do. But he goes away sorrowful. Meanwhile, Paul has another calling from Christ
00:43:25.800 and he says, okay, you're going to go suffer and be tortured and die for me. And Paul rejoices 0.56
00:43:32.460 in his sufferings. So there's the, you would expect him to complain in his sufferings.
00:43:37.180 And then I think about the character in the movie who he's not, he's not gaining materially by
00:43:42.340 protecting his community, by putting his skills to use for the, for the greater good. And then
00:43:46.900 I think about even your own life where you say, look, I wanted to go to the Naval Academy. That
00:43:50.920 was my dream. I wanted to, you know, I wanted to go, I wanted to join the Navy. And you end up
00:43:56.120 talking to Jimmy Stewart and you say, yeah, anyway, I couldn't join the Navy. So I became an actor.
00:43:59.480 And what's so amazing is you are one of not just the most successful actors of your age, but especially because of the passion, you will go down as one of the most successful actors ever, like since Euripides.
00:44:13.060 I mean, you've played the iconic role in one of the greatest productions, dramas that will ever be done.
00:44:21.520 So you are like living the dream, and yet that dream is a little different than the dream you envisioned.
00:44:29.620 You're living a dream that you were called to rather than the dream that you created for yourself.
00:44:36.080 And that must be a little different.
00:44:37.960 That must separate you in some ways from many of your colleagues in show business.
00:44:42.680 You were talking about that story and how he looked at it.
00:44:47.840 He went away sorrowful. 0.99
00:44:49.800 I was like, are you nuts? 0.98
00:44:53.060 This guy offered you to be one of his. 0.99
00:44:56.580 And to me, that was a purpose.
00:44:59.120 And when he offered it to me, I was like, you're going to let me be in your group?
00:45:05.680 That, to me, is a greater treasure than things.
00:45:09.100 And so, you know, I get to, you know, help.
00:45:19.100 Every film I do, I always ask, even this film, I always ask Jesus or, you know, all three of them.
00:45:26.800 They're one, Father, Son, I, my Father, one and the same.
00:45:30.680 Those that know me know my Father.
00:45:33.100 The Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
00:45:34.600 I ask them.
00:45:36.620 And as one, I say, what can I do to help bring more souls to you?
00:45:42.880 I want to bring the most souls to you that's ever been.
00:45:47.460 I'm not asking to be any kind of saint or anything like that.
00:45:51.060 But I really want to, I think I can use this film technology to bring the most people in and see when I'm dead, that's an annuity. I'm dead and that's what Jimmy Stewart does every year for Christmas when I put that on.
00:46:09.500 I have them over my mantle.
00:46:10.920 I never take it down.
00:46:11.800 I put it up for Christmas.
00:46:13.320 It's a wonderful life.
00:46:14.340 But I stopped taking it down because I always look at it and go, okay, this is a man that I follow.
00:46:23.260 Now imagine, Stuart, he dies, he dies, and he goes to, you know, to heaven.
00:46:32.360 He meets St. Peter, Jesus.
00:46:35.680 And Jesus goes, you know, it's a wonderful life.
00:46:39.200 It's the greatest thing.
00:46:40.400 He will tell you it was the greatest film he ever made.
00:46:43.260 And he'd made so many great films.
00:46:44.880 But he says, I want to show you the greatest thing he ever did for this boy, me.
00:46:49.900 And he says, he's going to play Jesus.
00:46:51.820 He's going to play me.
00:46:53.180 And there's going to be a lot, a lot, a lot of issues here.
00:46:56.540 But he says, we need to pray for this guy to get it done.
00:46:59.720 and he's, he's going to ask for the greatest request, which is that, you know, I want to
00:47:05.220 bring the most souls ever to you. And it all started with you, Jimmy, it all started with you.
00:47:10.780 And so I, to be tied to, you know, billions of souls that could possibly happen. So that's the
00:47:18.320 real currency from the Holy spirit. That's the real, real currency is, is bringing souls to God.
00:47:24.140 I love the idea of the annuity, the sole annuity for these works, these artifacts that we can leave behind once we're gone.
00:47:36.000 That's a beautiful image, a beautiful way to think about it.
00:47:39.620 Ultimately, that is the only portfolio that's really going to matter.
00:47:44.780 All the rest of it is going to rot and rust.
00:47:47.260 And to your earlier point, Jim.
00:47:48.820 A lot of these guys that I met along the way that had Michael the Archangel on their neck.
00:47:57.780 And here I was raised a Catholic.
00:48:00.280 And they were, in my opinion, like future saints.
00:48:07.660 I could see in them.
00:48:10.640 I could feel it in my heart that this guy, these guys, they didn't even have what you would say faith.
00:48:17.800 but i knew they were chosen and and i this guy was also chosen and um and i don't think that
00:48:25.280 it's ever stopped biblically you know like with king david and everything i still think it goes
00:48:29.780 on today i think you were chosen you know uh i've done well no because i i i went through the whole
00:48:37.340 time of you know going on uh being interviewed on all these big big shows and it was just a bunch 0.97
00:48:44.600 a hullabaloo crap there's not been one piece of crap here listen good shit grows the best 0.98
00:48:53.740 but we have to go through that we have to move the stones we have to prepare the soil 0.99
00:48:59.620 and then the manure comes in okay and it's hard and but then it's like god give me light but not
00:49:07.060 too much. You kill my crops. God, give me water, but not too much. Or you drown my crops. That's
00:49:14.360 where I'm at at this point. But I know that this film can do a lot of good. It engages you,
00:49:22.520 engages your heart. It says, I think this guy's talking to me. And man, when I was 14 years old,
00:49:28.040 I was in a bad, bad way. And I spent a lot of time in the movie theater. And I was one of those guys
00:49:33.140 that will watch a movie 20, 25 times.
00:49:35.740 And I think that's what just kept me on
00:49:37.800 a little bit longer
00:49:38.640 because there were corrupt,
00:49:41.640 you know, bad priests,
00:49:44.780 bad bishops and whatnot.
00:49:46.400 But the scripture is still there.
00:49:48.200 The mass is still the mass.
00:49:49.740 And it kept me hanging on.
00:49:51.160 And I really believe that that remnant
00:49:54.240 of whatever from that was like,
00:49:57.960 I need you to go to your school,
00:50:00.100 which is go to the film.
00:50:01.280 and and uh that really formed a lot of my life and it was done with guys like stewart
00:50:10.180 um and uh you know a few others that i that i but especially him because of that movie
00:50:16.980 um to this day i know every scene that's going to happen and i still weep yeah and to your your
00:50:25.580 earlier point right at right at the top of our conversation you said uh you know the truth is
00:50:30.980 controversial. Christ is controversial. And that's as true today as it's ever been, maybe more true.
00:50:36.900 And then you make the comparison. You say, okay, in the first century, before Christianity took 0.53
00:50:42.920 hold and was legalized by Constantine and became Christendom for a thousand years before liberal
00:50:48.280 modernity, in those early days, what did we have? We had weird sex cults. We had infant slaughter. 0.94
00:50:54.740 We had a kind of a corrupted relationship of the church to the state or the religious authority
00:51:02.780 to the state. We had all of these, we had severe oppression and forms of slavery and trafficking
00:51:10.600 and all the rest. And all of those issues kind of abated a lot during the rise of Christendom.
00:51:16.720 And then as Christianity has faded from public life, what do we see? We see the redefinition
00:51:22.360 of marriage and a bunch of weird sex cults and the sacrifice of babies and the obliteration of
00:51:28.980 people's rights, you know, the trampling on people's rights and on and on and on. And you
00:51:32.740 think, well, in some ways today, the Christian who's alive in the big two six might have more
00:51:38.360 in common with the Christian who was alive in AD 26 than he would with a Christian who was alive 1.00
00:51:43.480 even, I don't know, 100, 200 years ago, which is that old Chinese curse, may you live in 0.94
00:51:50.040 interesting times, but it's also a Christian view of providence, which is, hey, you know, we joke, 0.88
00:51:55.100 we say, I was born in the wrong age. I should have been born in the 40s. I should have been 0.53
00:51:58.020 born in the Victorian era. No, you're born exactly the moment you were supposed to be. You know, God
00:52:02.320 knows, counts the hairs on your head. He knows you as he formed you in the womb, before he formed
00:52:07.220 you in the womb. And so this is the moment you're here for, and you're here to do something. And
00:52:11.900 you ought to figure out what that is and do it, and not end up like the rich young man who goes
00:52:15.400 away sorrowful that's right and michael you know back then they had the same kind of sins but what
00:52:21.700 they had back then was like for example if you were to take and i'll give an example like germany
00:52:25.500 you have a contagion going through germany okay with film you can now and film and television
00:52:33.500 and you can make that contagion go into all of the nations simultaneously right but the reverse
00:52:40.180 of that if someone is born that makes a film and that film then goes everywhere simultaneously
00:52:47.860 around the world it can counter all of that so think of all the pornography that's in the world
00:52:54.580 right now and think of what the passion of the christ does against that maybe that that film i
00:53:02.860 would say you know to jesus you know maybe this will bring them all back because they bring such
00:53:10.460 they feel such an emptiness in their homes in their life that this is there has to be something
00:53:15.940 else i think of all of the suicides that have occurred because of pornography and then in one
00:53:22.280 thing one moment they watch the passion and generation family generation passed down of
00:53:29.520 these sins and then literally one moment it like a sword i didn't come to bring peace into this
00:53:36.340 world i came like a sword to divide and it and that was it where that individual said no more
00:53:42.480 that's it that has got to just be so extraordinary for god and uh i i really uh i'm really grateful
00:53:55.620 for you to do this interview is one of the best moments I've had on camera with another individual
00:54:02.660 that see we're not doing a faith-based interview we're just talking truth man my wife always says
00:54:11.000 yes but make sure love is in there I said honey there love is in truth there is no separation
00:54:17.480 the there's truth in love there should be love and truth so um uh and you're a good man you
00:54:25.840 didn't come last time when i was supposed to meet with you because you did the right thing
00:54:29.660 well i i appreciate i really appreciate all of that commentary and that you let me off the hook
00:54:35.920 for the baby uh the pleasure is all mine as always jim the honor is all mine the movie is absolutely
00:54:42.140 phenomenal i know you got to run uh i've taken up enough of your time the movie is ghost soldier
00:54:47.280 it opens on november 11th on veterans day you have to go watch it if you are still listening
00:54:54.140 to this conversation you have and you have not already pre-ordered your ticket something is
00:54:58.200 wrong with you go go watch it it's really i can uh highly recommend it which is something that i
00:55:03.880 cannot say about basically any movie that has come out since the passion of the christ so uh
00:55:08.880 it's uh definitely go see it november 11th jim thank you very much for your time and coming on
00:55:15.260 the show and i look forward to the next time i see you i'm gonna know you the rest of your life
00:55:19.840 that's great thank you sir good to see and good to see all of you i'm michael knowles we'll catch
00:55:24.560 you next time
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