The Michael Knowles Show - YES or NO： Tomi Lahren

00:00:00.000 Does a woman's body count matter if she has truly changed her ways? 1.00

00:00:04.980 My husband was previously married.

00:00:07.000 I prefer that. I prefer that.

00:00:09.260 I prefer that he's been married and divorced.

00:00:25.040 Welcome to Yes or No, the bibulous battle to discover who knows whom better.

00:00:29.940 My guest today, a woman who needs no introduction, Tommy Lauren.

00:00:34.760 How do we play?

00:00:36.020 I will ask Tommy a yes or no question.

00:00:38.240 She will select her answer away from my prying eyes.

00:00:40.940 Then I'll guess how she answered.

00:00:43.240 If I guess correctly, I get a point.

00:00:45.320 If I guess incorrectly, I lose a point.

00:00:47.900 No matter what, I'll probably end up drinking.

00:00:51.260 Then it's Tommy's turn.

00:00:53.340 Neither of us has seen the questions beforehand.

00:00:55.640 Whoever has the most points at the end wins.

00:00:57.240 The stakes could be higher.

00:01:00.180 Let's get started.

00:01:01.080 Tommy, thank you for being here.

00:01:03.000 Thank you for having me.

00:01:04.260 I'm excited about this.

00:01:05.280 I didn't know there would be cards and a board game involved.

00:01:08.540 And booze. 0.82

00:01:09.620 But you have an unfair advantage over me.

00:01:12.460 Yeah.

00:01:12.700 You're having water.

00:01:13.640 I'm having water, staying hydrated.

00:01:15.140 Why are you having water for this game?

00:01:17.240 Well, it's a Tuesday at 2, and I'll be driving to Brentwood.

00:01:22.120 Hold on.

00:01:22.840 You're going to tell on me to the whole audience out there.

00:01:25.560 That's all right.

00:01:26.040 That I'm boozing at work.

00:01:27.300 Sometimes we've had to film this at like 9 o'clock in the morning.

00:01:30.680 And I say I'm a man of my word.

00:01:32.780 I'll drink the martini.

00:01:34.340 And the rest of the day is useless.

00:01:37.080 Listen, it's your game.

00:01:38.560 So you get to make the rules.

00:01:39.860 Is it?

00:01:40.220 I don't know the rules.

00:01:41.460 You've been briefed on the rules, though.

00:01:42.900 I have been lightly briefed on the rules, so I hope that I don't mess it up.

00:01:46.440 But it sounds like you might not be fully convinced of what we're doing either.

00:01:51.140 No, and I'm sober right now.

00:01:52.640 And I still don't know how to play.

00:01:53.820 I do know you're a lady, so you go first. 0.99

00:01:56.180 All right.

00:02:00.020 Do most men assume that blondes are less intelligent than brunettes? 1.00

00:02:12.900 I said yes.

00:02:18.220 And I answered that you said yes.

00:02:19.540 You said yes.

00:02:20.180 Okay, Tommy got it right.

00:02:21.300 And I have to drink.

00:02:22.580 I do think that men think, rightly or wrongly, they assume that if a girl is blonde, she's 0.98

00:02:30.460 less smart.

00:02:31.880 And I don't think it's about the blonde so much as the brunette. 0.60

00:02:35.400 Brunette gives to me an aura of bookishness. 0.99

00:02:40.060 Okay.

00:02:40.420 Is that fair, or is it a terrible prejudice?

00:02:44.400 I would think, because when I, I'll tell you this, I go to New York, and I don't see

00:02:49.860 any blondes there, any variation of blondes there. 1.00

00:02:52.740 I see a lot of darker-haired women there. 1.00

00:02:55.100 Yes, yeah.

00:02:55.640 And I'm not talking about the model scene.

00:02:57.040 I'm talking about your everyday people.

00:02:58.400 Yeah, yeah.

00:02:58.760 Okay?

00:02:59.080 And I don't see a lot of blondes. 1.00

00:03:00.460 No.

00:03:00.740 And for me, my perspective when I go there, it's completely different than in Nashville

00:03:04.660 or Dallas or even California, where you have a mix of both, but you're going to

00:03:09.100 see a blonde, you know, pretty good chance you're going to see a blonde. 1.00

00:03:12.380 Yeah.

00:03:12.580 Not in New York.

00:03:13.680 And to me, when I see a lot of brunettes, I don't assume that they are more intelligent, 1.00

00:03:18.660 but they just don't seem like they're having as much fun.

00:03:21.740 And I know that that's, again, that's a cliche.

00:03:23.880 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:24.280 They seem maybe more serious.

00:03:25.640 Yes.

00:03:25.880 I don't think it means-

00:03:26.420 Very severe.

00:03:26.760 I don't think it means that you're smarter.

00:03:28.780 I just think it means that you take yourself maybe a little bit too seriously.

00:03:32.120 Now, these are New York brunettes. 1.00

00:03:33.660 Yes.

00:03:34.020 That's just my perception because there's not a lot of blondes there, not a lot of redheads 1.00

00:03:37.420 there, a lot of brunettes there. 1.00

00:03:39.860 So-

00:03:40.000 That's good.

00:03:40.440 I don't know if that translates into intelligence.

00:03:42.480 I'll tell you this.

00:03:43.220 Blondes like to be underestimated. 1.00

00:03:44.960 Yeah.

00:03:45.580 Professionally, personally, I like if people think I'm stupid, maybe on first glance.

00:03:51.020 Yeah.

00:03:51.180 That's fine with me.

00:03:52.220 That gives me an advantage.

00:03:53.400 If you go in underestimating me, I would prefer that, right?

00:03:57.180 But I also can have a smile on my face, be blonde, you know, enjoy it.

00:04:02.200 My hair is actually darker than it normally is, by the way.

00:04:04.180 It's not in an attempt to look smarter.

00:04:06.740 It's just I like to change it up.

00:04:08.760 But I find that blondes also appreciate maybe aesthetics more. 1.00

00:04:14.540 And again, that's a regional thing.

00:04:16.140 But I don't find that people, maybe in New York, I don't think, you know, that maybe

00:04:21.600 there is into aesthetics as Dallas, Nashville, California, Miami.

00:04:28.160 Yes.

00:04:28.760 It's much more plain, which is fine, but I've just noticed that.

00:04:32.300 Should I go blonde? 0.80

00:04:33.780 I think you should.

00:04:34.760 I should.

00:04:35.240 Maybe some highlights.

00:04:36.220 Yeah.

00:04:36.840 Tips, like in the 2000s.

00:04:38.640 Yeah.

00:04:38.860 The 2000s are back.

00:04:39.880 Then I could be underestimated.

00:04:41.160 That would be good.

00:04:41.580 Okay.

00:04:42.420 Are female pilots the new Asian drivers? 1.00

00:04:46.540 Hmm.

00:04:53.740 Yeah, wrong?

00:04:54.620 Really?

00:04:55.760 Okay.

00:04:56.220 You say no.

00:04:57.220 Yes, I say no.

00:04:58.280 You don't think...

00:04:59.080 Okay.

00:04:59.600 So we have to see what we mean by Asian drivers.

00:05:01.740 Okay.

00:05:02.380 That I think the stereotype is that Asian drivers are not very good at operating cars.

00:05:08.200 Okay.

00:05:08.560 Do you not...

00:05:09.060 That's a stereotype.

00:05:10.000 Okay.

00:05:10.200 You don't think there's a stereotype that the female pilots are a little weaker? 0.99

00:05:14.700 That could be a stereotype.

00:05:16.180 I don't think it's the new thing, though.

00:05:17.780 I've been very vocal about this.

00:05:19.000 He's saying it's the old thing.

00:05:19.440 I've been very vocal about this.

00:05:21.100 I understand when the right makes arguments about DEI.

00:05:24.560 I'm not a DEI person either.

00:05:26.700 I don't like it.

00:05:27.360 I like merit.

00:05:28.120 I don't like that we went full DEI 2020 through 2024.

00:05:32.160 I don't like it.

00:05:32.980 However, I think that the right runs the risk of overusing DEI as an excuse for everything

00:05:38.680 that goes wrong.

00:05:39.380 I think that immediately when something goes wrong, you go, oh, it must be a DEI hire.

00:05:43.580 I think that that cheapens the argument.

00:05:45.820 And I also, I know I don't care that our Secretary of Defense said the boys were coming home and

00:05:51.000 there was a female pilot. 1.00

00:05:51.980 But I think it would be fair to say we reportedly did have a female flying one of the B-2s that

00:05:57.480 dropped bombs on Iran.

00:05:59.220 And so I think that's a testament to the skill of female pilots. 1.00

00:06:02.620 I didn't know that.

00:06:03.340 I know that we, in principle, have female pilots. 1.00

00:06:05.560 I didn't know one of them was flying the B-2.

00:06:07.900 Yeah.

00:06:08.440 Wow.

00:06:09.140 Female pilots, at least in the military, are often very revered. 0.99

00:06:13.480 Hell hath no fury like a woman's squirt. 1.00

00:06:16.740 But I will say this, too.

00:06:17.280 I mean, right over the Ayatollahs.

00:06:18.280 Yes.

00:06:18.640 I don't like when you have certain airlines that are like, this is an all-female crew 1.00

00:06:22.560 and we must hail that.

00:06:24.000 And this is an all, we must all have a gay crew and all that.

00:06:27.280 That makes me nervous.

00:06:28.260 Yeah.

00:06:28.380 Because if you're doing it and you're trying to assemble a crew to say that you did something

00:06:31.900 historic, now I'm a little concerned.

00:06:33.880 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:34.260 But I am not one of those people that sees a female pilot and is then concerned. 0.64

00:06:38.080 Would you say women are not as good at driving cars as men?

00:06:41.740 On certain aspects.

00:06:43.640 We're not great with curbs.

00:06:44.880 I'm personally not great with curbs.

00:06:46.540 I can't parallel park.

00:06:47.800 If I am in a situation where I have to parallel park, I will leave.

00:06:51.620 Because I know my limits and I'm not going to even attempt it.

00:06:54.360 I'm not going to that party.

00:06:55.920 Yeah, okay.

00:06:56.460 All right.

00:06:56.780 Fair enough.

00:06:57.120 All right.

00:06:59.700 We have a video prompt, so we have to watch first.

00:07:05.120 Olsen had it knocked away.

00:07:06.420 Good hands by Allen.

00:07:07.640 And Sheldon comes up with a steal.

00:07:11.100 Sheldon going coast to coast.

00:07:13.160 And here we've got another break is here as J.C. Sheldon goes right after Sophie Cunningham.

00:07:20.720 It was a hard foul.

00:07:22.060 What really got this escalated, so that was called a flagrant.

00:07:26.800 Those two were technicals.

00:07:28.100 Charles got a technical.

00:07:29.800 And then Mabry for what we thought should have been.

00:07:32.560 This is the most anyone has ever watched of the WNBA. 0.61

00:07:35.640 Well, don't give away your answer then, because you have to lock it in.

00:07:38.320 You might have just given me a tell there.

00:07:42.660 But go ahead.

00:07:43.220 You've got to lock it in.

00:07:43.540 Wait, so what's the prompt?

00:07:45.020 You kind of answered it, so that's why I already thought.

00:07:47.940 Does this finally make the WNBA bearable to watch?

00:07:51.640 Hmm.

00:07:53.000 Oh, the fight.

00:07:53.700 Oh, the cat fight.

00:07:54.040 Given the video evidence we just saw.

00:07:56.640 Does it, does this, it's much more interesting than the basketball.

00:08:02.340 I think you're supposed to lock in your answer and then pontificate.

00:08:05.160 Does it, yes.

00:08:05.360 Does it?

00:08:06.700 Does what you saw on that clip make it now bearable to watch the WNBA?

00:08:11.280 I didn't hesitate.

00:08:16.560 You saw, you could read through my soul.

00:08:19.180 By your reaction, yes.

00:08:22.020 This is a tough one, because we have spent on the right years now defending women's sports.

00:08:29.860 But I don't, this is a little confession.

00:08:32.020 I don't, I don't care about women's sports at all. 1.00

00:08:34.960 I don't care about it at all.

00:08:36.180 I love Riley Gaines.

00:08:37.440 I care about justice.

00:08:38.620 I don't want transvestites doing weird stuff in the pool or whatever. 1.00

00:08:43.520 But I don't, it is not possible for me to care less about women's sports. 1.00

00:08:48.420 I'm right there with you.

00:08:49.680 Okay.

00:08:49.980 So I want there to be fairness, especially for young female athletes.

00:08:53.420 Because whereas I don't think many are going to go professional,

00:08:56.400 I think that it's an opportunity for them to build their skills, to work as a team,

00:09:01.300 to try really hard, show determination, resilience.

00:09:04.140 I think that's important for young women.

00:09:05.900 And I think past the college level, you know, let's be honest.

00:09:10.580 There's not a lot for women after that, unless you're going to be an Olympian, which is great.

00:09:14.940 Or like one of the Williams sisters.

00:09:16.380 Yes.

00:09:16.760 They get a pass.

00:09:17.460 Yeah.

00:09:18.140 I would also say this.

00:09:19.600 If I want to watch girls fight, I watch Bravo. 1.00

00:09:23.140 I don't need to watch six foot four girls poking each other in the eye. 1.00

00:09:28.040 I don't consider that entertaining.

00:09:29.360 I don't like men's basketball either, but I also wouldn't watch women's softball if they were fighting each other. 1.00

00:09:34.600 Like I said, if I want to watch women fight, I will watch Bravo. 1.00

00:09:37.820 Yeah.

00:09:38.060 It's better produced, more fun, more entertaining.

00:09:41.380 Yes.

00:09:41.540 So I'm right there with you.

00:09:42.120 More glamorous.

00:09:43.040 Yeah.

00:09:43.260 Okay.

00:09:43.840 Yeah.

00:09:44.320 But it's not, because the Libs will sometimes say, well, you guys are hypocrites because you don't care about women's sports.

00:09:48.980 I think it's not about the, it's not about the volleyball or whatever.

00:09:53.400 Yeah.

00:09:53.520 You know, it's about the justice.

00:09:55.200 Right.

00:09:55.980 And the scholarships and the safety.

00:09:57.780 Yes.

00:09:58.200 Okay.

00:09:58.700 All right.

00:10:00.020 I'm up.

00:10:01.980 This question requires a video prompt.

00:10:04.700 It's a particularly good news.

00:10:08.540 Hey Joe.

00:10:09.500 Rob and Ash, do you want to help me?

00:10:11.420 No, no, no.

00:10:11.840 Hey Joe.

00:10:13.560 Do you want to do the body trouble?

00:10:15.600 It's the body trouble.

00:10:17.740 Hey Joe.

00:10:18.720 Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:10:27.780 They're really making a meal out of a cupcake with these things, aren't they?

00:10:39.600 I love it.

00:10:39.780 Okay.

00:10:40.220 Is there validity to the claim that we haven't seen the real Joe Biden in quite some time?

00:10:50.100 I've got to guess what you would say.

00:10:51.360 Okay.

00:10:53.740 It was fast.

00:10:54.780 Whatever you answered, it was fast.

00:10:56.000 Yes.

00:10:56.260 Okay.

00:11:06.380 It's not a fake Biden.

00:11:07.940 No.

00:11:08.320 If they made a fake Biden, why would they make that one?

00:11:10.340 That's exactly my point at it.

00:11:12.020 If it's going to be a body double, it has to be somebody that's exceptionally better than the real Joe.

00:11:17.840 That's just a different version of him.

00:11:19.580 That's medicated, unmedicated.

00:11:20.860 We don't know.

00:11:21.540 It's all the same.

00:11:22.720 I liked the Joe Biden State of the Union where the eyes were just popping.

00:11:27.860 I was shocked.

00:11:29.040 I mean, a year ago this week, Joe Biden gave us the performance of a lifetime in that debate.

00:11:35.360 And I say that he raw-dogged that debate.

00:11:37.960 No stimulants were used.

00:11:39.480 And that was quite obvious.

00:11:40.580 That was a bold move by his team.

00:11:42.480 I think purposeful.

00:11:43.540 Yeah, yeah.

00:11:43.680 But no, there's no body double there.

00:11:45.700 Joe Biden is also on the speaking circuit now because he needs to make that money.

00:11:49.300 No, he's not.

00:11:50.200 Is he on the speaking circuit?

00:11:51.200 Well, he's getting paid to do speeches.

00:11:52.760 So, I mean, different groups, right?

00:11:55.640 Oh, because that is what you do.

00:11:57.200 You leave the office.

00:11:58.180 You've got to fill up the coffers.

00:11:59.740 But usually that presupposes that you can speak.

00:12:02.960 Right.

00:12:03.840 Wow.

00:12:04.440 I was at the State of the Union two years ago, the one where he was shot up real good with the adrenaline.

00:12:10.160 And he, I remember, I was sitting behind the president's.

00:12:13.260 I couldn't see him that well.

00:12:14.680 I was seeing the reaction of all the Dems.

00:12:16.220 And he got out there, and it was one note the whole time.

00:12:19.160 It was just, you know, it goes 45 minutes or whatever it is.

00:12:23.020 It was the opposite of the debate.

00:12:25.380 And now he's put out to pasture.

00:12:28.260 Yeah.

00:12:28.620 Wow.

00:12:29.160 How much is he being paid for those speeches, do we know?

00:12:31.040 I think, actually, I think it's a considerable amount.

00:12:34.260 And then he's got riders that include travel, team, different things like that.

00:12:39.960 I mean, good for him if people are still willing to pay him.

00:12:42.220 I like it because it makes Democrats very nervous every time he surfaces, people have to cover it.

00:12:47.000 Then their lie becomes more obvious, more vivid.

00:12:50.680 Yeah.

00:12:51.140 And then they have to talk about it, and they have to talk about the fact that they lied.

00:12:54.520 And quite obviously so for at least four years.

00:12:57.940 Maybe we should hire him.

00:12:59.460 Hire him to give a speech.

00:13:00.640 That's not a bad idea.

00:13:01.720 Okay, you're up.

00:13:02.420 Should people with religious beliefs that contradict American values be denied citizenship?

00:13:14.000 That presupposes they're not citizens already.

00:13:16.680 I would assume.

00:13:17.340 Okay.

00:13:24.100 Yeah, for sure, right?

00:13:26.480 Now, would you agree with that?

00:13:27.520 Now, the way that it's worded, I think, gets us into more discussion needed.

00:13:33.360 Now, contradict American values.

00:13:36.700 Does that mean you're chanting death to America, death to Israel, harassing Jewish students,

00:13:41.380 leading protests that are violent in nature?

00:13:45.140 Then I would say absolutely be denied citizenship.

00:13:47.920 What if you're not being violent?

00:13:49.280 You're not directly threatening anyone.

00:13:50.540 You just believe things that are incommensurate with the American, broadly Christian, founding ideals?

00:13:58.100 I don't know if that would be very First Amendment of us.

00:14:03.860 You're not sufficiently authoritarian, Tommy.

00:14:07.100 John Jay wrote around the founding and the Constitution.

00:14:12.280 He said, thank God.

00:14:13.860 He said it more eloquently than I am.

00:14:15.360 He said, thank God that we come from a common stock and we have a shared experience of the revolution

00:14:21.060 and we have the same religion.

00:14:22.840 And John Adams said, he said, the principles of Christianity are the principles on which independence was won.

00:14:28.600 John Adams was not an Orthodox Christian by any chance or any stretch.

00:14:33.120 But they all said, you know, this Christianity thing really matters.

00:14:35.520 So, I don't want to single out the Muslims because I like some Muslims.

00:14:40.160 But let's say a Zoroastrian comes here, some real nasty Zoroastrian, you know. 1.00

00:14:44.980 And he just doesn't buy the principles on which our country is founded.

00:14:49.780 Should we say, sorry, buddy, you don't need to be a church-going Christian, 1.00

00:14:55.020 but you've got to get on board or you're going home to Persia?

00:15:01.340 I believe in assimilation. 0.99

00:15:03.680 I don't know if you can legislate, dictate that.

00:15:09.220 Now, that would be a dream world.

00:15:11.060 It's like everyone comes, wants to assimilate, wants to have American values.

00:15:15.260 You would assume if you come here that you would have some desire to practice American values

00:15:20.120 and traditions and beliefs.

00:15:21.560 You would hope that.

00:15:22.300 However, if you are a fundamentalist Muslim and you believe in Sharia,

00:15:27.940 I would argue that contradicts American values.

00:15:30.300 Yeah, yeah, certainly.

00:15:30.880 But do we clear out Michigan?

00:15:33.780 I mean, that's the thing.

00:15:34.680 Well, assume that, let's say they're not here.

00:15:35.980 You know, they're not here yet.

00:15:36.860 They show up to Ellis Island.

00:15:38.260 Do you send them packing?

00:15:39.780 President Tommy.

00:15:41.000 Yeah, I just don't think you can do it and be a constitutionalist, unfortunately.

00:15:45.000 I'd do it.

00:15:45.600 We don't need to accept them into the country. 1.00

00:15:47.320 Okay.

00:15:47.760 They don't have a right to come here. 0.99

00:15:49.800 I'm not saying the ones that are here.

00:15:50.900 I agree it's hard to clear out Dearborn or whatever.

00:15:53.420 Yeah.

00:15:53.600 But I'm saying they just, they show up fresh off the boat or whatever, however they get

00:15:58.300 it, fresh off the jet plane.

00:15:59.580 And they say, you know, la la la, whatever.

00:16:01.520 They say something that can't.

00:16:03.640 For me, President Michael, I would say, hello, nice, hello, nice to meet you.

00:16:09.200 Go now.

00:16:10.000 You're out of here.

00:16:10.500 But you would be more open-minded.

00:16:12.380 I think if you exhibit, and Secretary Rubio has been very forthright about this, if you

00:16:18.000 exhibit behavior that shows that you are a threat, absolutely.

00:16:23.360 But I don't know if, as a First Amendment person, I don't know if I could be someone that

00:16:29.520 would say, well, you hold this religious belief so you can't be here.

00:16:33.620 I think that, for me, that would be going too far.

00:16:36.700 It's very open-minded.

00:16:38.540 Me, I'm a little more close-minded.

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00:17:12.740 Okay, I'm up.

00:17:16.720 The rise of stay-at-home sons.

00:17:18.820 Is that a thing?

00:17:19.400 The rise of stay-at-home sons will only be fixed if RFK Jr. bans soy and other seed oils.

00:17:28.780 What does Tommy think about that?

00:17:34.200 I got it wrong?

00:17:35.600 What do you mean I got it wrong?

00:17:36.800 How did I get it wrong?

00:17:37.840 What do you mean?

00:17:38.680 No, hold on.

00:17:39.680 That would mean that that condition would be necessary but not sufficient.

00:17:43.700 So I'm not, we should have cleared this up before.

00:17:45.800 It's not to say that RFK Jr. banning soy and seed oils would fix the problem.

00:17:52.340 Okay.

00:17:52.840 It's to say the problem would not be fixed if RFK does not ban soy and seed oils.

00:17:58.680 Does that change your answer or no?

00:17:59.780 I still lost.

00:18:00.340 So, again, the way that the question was worded, I'll just tell you my take on it.

00:18:05.600 It was poorly worded.

00:18:06.620 I agree.

00:18:07.280 It was Davies' fault.

00:18:08.500 Yes.

00:18:09.040 I'll tell you this.

00:18:09.700 The rise of stay-at-home sons is not going to be solved by banning certain food items, certain soys, nothing.

00:18:17.040 It's a cultural problem.

00:18:18.580 You have to address the cultural issues.

00:18:20.880 There's nothing that you can ban as far as consumption that's going to fix that.

00:18:25.320 That's why I would give you that.

00:18:25.860 What if you banned pot, porn, and this is alliterative, what's a third P, and playthings like Legos?

00:18:37.200 I don't know what they do.

00:18:37.880 These kind of the man-children.

00:18:39.620 What if you banned all that stuff?

00:18:41.220 Yeah, okay, yeah.

00:18:42.080 What if you banned all of that?

00:18:44.480 That would help, wouldn't it?

00:18:45.920 If you got, frankly, just porn, if you got rid of porn, I think you would go 40% toward fixing the problem.

00:18:53.820 I don't know this new generation, though.

00:18:55.580 I don't know if that's their thing.

00:18:57.700 I don't know if that's what gets them going.

00:18:59.900 Honestly, I think laziness does.

00:19:01.240 I think laziness fuels a lot of the reason that they want to stay home, they don't want to achieve necessarily.

00:19:08.560 And I'm not talking, again, this is my biggest pet peeve, is there are some conservative men in our space that when I say those things, they go,

00:19:15.400 but you hate men, okay, calm down, Chads.

00:19:19.460 No, what I'm saying is we have a cultural problem in which some young men, especially the generations that are coming up now, the alphas, the Gen Zs, right? 0.94

00:19:29.320 There are a significant amount that do not want to achieve, attain, they don't want to be exceptional, they don't want to be masculine, they don't want to be leaders of family and household.

00:19:40.940 I think that's a problem.

00:19:42.720 Now, I get eviscerated for this, but when I say that women don't have much to choose from, I'm not saying women are perfect. 0.95

00:19:49.160 So I'm glad that I get to clear this up.

00:19:50.680 We have plenty of cultural rot on the female side. 1.00

00:19:53.840 Trust and believe I agree with you.

00:19:56.060 Yeah, I'm talking about women who uphold their end of the bargain, that are looking for a man who is masculine, who wants to be leader of household. 1.00

00:20:05.420 They are not finding the same swath that maybe they once could, because it doesn't exist.

00:20:12.000 Okay, so then how do you, let's say, so the men don't want the women, because they say the women are all promiscuous and gold diggers. 1.00

00:20:18.180 And the women don't want the men, because they say they're all man children, and they're degenerate, and they're mommy's boys. 0.95

00:20:23.400 So you have this problem, you have a game of chicken.

00:20:26.060 And neither side is going to budge.

00:20:28.480 So then how do you solve the problem?

00:20:30.480 It's a cultural problem.

00:20:31.980 How do you fix the culture?

00:20:33.380 Well, little by little.

00:20:35.660 I think that the mega movement has done a lot for young men.

00:20:38.540 I think the mega movement has done a lot to inspire young men to want to be leader of household, to be a provider, to be a stable man.

00:20:46.380 I think it's done a lot.

00:20:47.480 Now, we've got a ways to go.

00:20:48.620 And I don't think, by the way, that women are blameless in this. 0.98

00:20:52.680 I think mothers might be a big part of the problem. 1.00

00:20:55.840 They're over-mothering the kids. 0.98

00:20:56.220 So when people go, oh, you don't blame women. 0.99

00:20:58.860 No, I do.

00:20:59.320 I blame mothers. 1.00

00:21:00.060 I blame mothers. 1.00

00:21:01.000 I blame mothers who coddle their sons. 0.75

00:21:02.800 Yeah, I've seen men of these generations ruined, ruined by over-mothering.

00:21:10.260 And I love, look, I love my mother.

00:21:11.780 I'm a good Italian boy.

00:21:12.600 I love my mother.

00:21:13.480 I love my grandmothers.

00:21:14.800 But I have seen how it can go.

00:21:18.720 I truly, if you said, pick the one thing that ruined that kid, I would say the mother was too indulgent.

00:21:27.200 Yeah.

00:21:27.820 Wow.

00:21:28.380 I think it's a problem.

00:21:29.640 Now, again, every time I say this, the men on conservative Twitter come after me.

00:21:34.240 Oh, she's a feminist. 1.00

00:21:35.600 She's a covert feminist. 1.00

00:21:37.020 I don't understand what's feminist about saying. 0.51

00:21:40.700 Listen, I think Republicans are the new feminists because we're the only ones that stand up for women's sports and spaces. 1.00

00:21:45.760 I'm not the leftist definition of a feminist.

00:21:48.700 Well, would you say, I would say I'm not a feminist. 0.99

00:21:50.620 I would say I'm not a feminist at all.

00:21:51.960 I think feminism is wrong. 1.00

00:21:53.720 They used to do this thing where they'd say, I like the second wave, but not the third wave.

00:21:57.600 Or I like the first wave, but not the, I think it's all wrong.

00:22:00.740 Mary Wollstonecraft, totally wrong. 0.92

00:22:03.160 Because it seems to me feminism says men and women are basically the same.

00:22:07.080 Anything you can do, I can do equally.

00:22:08.680 But I don't think that's true.

00:22:10.080 I think men and women are different.

00:22:11.060 I think there's some things women do I can't do. 1.00

00:22:12.900 Some things I can do that women generally can't do. 1.00

00:22:17.140 And we are complementary.

00:22:18.680 We go to, it's just a different view of human nature.

00:22:21.040 But you're fairly traditional.

00:22:23.680 I mean, you're like famous and everything, you go on TV.

00:22:25.880 But you hold to generally traditional views of men and women.

00:22:30.100 Right.

00:22:30.680 So you're not, you wouldn't say you're a feminist, or would you? 1.00

00:22:32.560 I would say in the, like I said, I think that Republicans are hijacking feminism the way that

00:22:39.440 the left hijacked rainbows and our sports.

00:22:42.420 And I think that Republicans and conservatives are taking it back.

00:22:45.780 Because to me, a feminist in 2025 means somebody who stands up for women's sports and spaces. 1.00

00:22:50.660 So that to me, if that's how I'm defining it, which is, again, I'm saying we're taking it over.

00:22:55.320 Then yes, I am.

00:22:56.400 Now, here is where I sometimes butt heads with some of the, like I say, conservative Twitter,

00:23:02.620 male conservative Twitter, right?

00:23:04.760 I don't believe that women should inherently make less, stay at home, live to be mothers.

00:23:12.760 That's the extent of your personality, persona, identity.

00:23:17.440 I don't believe that.

00:23:17.920 But if a mother wants to do that, you'd be fine with that. 0.99

00:23:19.820 Then I believe in everybody being able to do what they want to do.

00:23:23.620 As long as it doesn't negatively impact society at large, right?

00:23:27.780 So that's my conservative belief.

00:23:30.540 But doesn't it all, to me, it's a little libertarian.

00:23:34.000 Doesn't it, doesn't it like the kids we were just talking about, the boys living in their 0.95

00:23:39.100 mother's basement, they're doing what they want to do.

00:23:41.860 Right.

00:23:42.100 So they say.

00:23:42.920 They want to play video games, eat potato, eat chicken nuggets.

00:23:45.520 They want to.

00:23:46.840 It is, ostensibly, it's not impacting society at large.

00:23:50.500 But it is, because you've got all these men who should be acting like men out of the 0.97

00:23:54.260 dating pool.

00:23:54.820 So now the women are saying, well, I've got to pick from a bunch of losers and I don't 1.00

00:23:57.380 want that.

00:23:57.900 And then no one's having kids.

00:23:59.040 And society crumbles.

00:24:00.400 So in a way, it's like there's almost no way to have a private sin.

00:24:05.720 Because it's all affecting society.

00:24:07.840 So then, we don't want them to just do that.

00:24:10.760 We want them to be men.

00:24:11.600 We want them to flourish.

00:24:12.360 And we want the women to have the giga-chads that they can marry. 1.00

00:24:15.700 And then the women are like really good. 1.00

00:24:17.200 But so, if you left women up to their devices, wouldn't most of them prefer to stay home, 0.89

00:24:25.680 raise kids, get married, over working in a corporate job?

00:24:29.140 I would disagree with that.

00:24:30.260 You don't think so?

00:24:30.940 No.

00:24:31.240 You think they would take the corporate job?

00:24:32.760 Not everyone.

00:24:33.440 I think that it would be a pretty 50-50 split.

00:24:36.780 Hmm.

00:24:37.580 Yeah.

00:24:38.080 For me, and again, they're going to eviscerate me for this.

00:24:40.900 You're a little different, though.

00:24:41.740 Just get ready.

00:24:42.380 Just get ready for it.

00:24:43.480 Okay.

00:24:44.100 I personally am not somebody who has grown up.

00:24:48.120 Like, I'm born to be a mother and a wife.

00:24:49.760 And that is my goal.

00:24:51.100 That has never been me.

00:24:52.660 And conservative male Twitter be damned.

00:24:54.940 I don't care if you don't like that for me.

00:24:56.320 But aren't you, look, we're both friends with a lot of women who go on TV and who are 0.95

00:25:02.240 politicians and who are, you know, big fans.

00:25:04.680 But you would admit, and I'm, you know, I'm very close friends with many such women.

00:25:10.660 You're the exception.

00:25:12.020 Not the rule.

00:25:13.200 You, right.

00:25:15.420 You disagree.

00:25:16.280 I disagree with you.

00:25:17.200 Okay.

00:25:17.440 All right.

00:25:17.720 Like I said, I think if you asked women, would you rather be a stay-at-home mom or would

00:25:22.220 you rather be...

00:25:23.880 A corporate.

00:25:24.380 I'm not necessarily saying an executive, but would you rather exist in the business world?

00:25:28.700 Would you...

00:25:28.920 And I'm not saying that that means that if you exist in the business world that you're childless

00:25:32.060 and unmarried.

00:25:32.780 Yeah, yeah.

00:25:33.080 I think you can have it all.

00:25:34.140 I'm one of those people that...

00:25:34.960 Can you have it all?

00:25:35.720 I do believe that you can.

00:25:36.940 You can.

00:25:38.560 As you just said, not an executive, not a superstar.

00:25:41.360 Tommy Lauren goes on TV.

00:25:42.800 Everyone knows your name.

00:25:44.460 You're a middle manager at the widget factory.

00:25:47.200 And you do spreadsheets and stuff like that.

00:25:50.820 You make a decent salary, but not a ton.

00:25:53.900 And you have a few kids.

00:25:57.200 And your husband's working too.

00:25:59.340 You gotta...

00:26:00.420 Either you're gonna stay home with your kid or you're gonna put your kid in daycare.

00:26:03.640 Plenty of women put their kids in daycare. 1.00

00:26:05.780 But you can't totally have it all.

00:26:09.060 Can you?

00:26:09.840 You can't be Donna Reed and Margaret Thatcher.

00:26:15.580 I disagree with you.

00:26:17.020 Okay.

00:26:17.280 I guess I do.

00:26:18.060 I'm not saying it's not challenging.

00:26:19.520 I think it can be done.

00:26:20.600 Not everybody wants that life.

00:26:21.600 There's only so many hours in the day.

00:26:23.300 Right.

00:26:24.200 Could you stay up all night with a kid?

00:26:26.140 Let's say you got three kids running around.

00:26:28.080 You know, you're waking up constantly.

00:26:30.220 You're cooking the stew on the pot.

00:26:32.900 You've got all this stuff.

00:26:33.800 And then you have to be up, because Fox and Friends is at 6 a.m. on the West Coast.

00:26:39.140 And you've got to be up.

00:26:40.040 You've had one hour sleep.

00:26:41.440 Now, maybe, look, you could say I wake up.

00:26:43.160 I'm camera ready.

00:26:43.960 But it would be...

00:26:45.040 Yeah, it would be difficult.

00:26:46.040 It would be very hard.

00:26:47.220 Yeah, that level would not be sustainable.

00:26:49.540 But if you work to your full potential, you can afford to have help.

00:26:54.340 Now, some people are like, oh, I didn't have a nanny. 0.51

00:26:56.140 Oh, that's so awful.

00:26:57.160 I disagree with that.

00:26:58.240 I believe that if you attain a certain level of success...

00:27:01.040 But that's the thing.

00:27:01.480 You have a lot of money to have a nanny.

00:27:03.840 Right.

00:27:04.200 I grew up going to daycare, right?

00:27:06.040 Yeah, I grew up to daycare.

00:27:07.220 I grew up with both parents working.

00:27:07.800 I'm very middle America, middle class.

00:27:09.640 Yeah.

00:27:09.920 Both my parents worked.

00:27:10.900 I went to daycare.

00:27:12.200 When I was old enough, I stayed home alone.

00:27:14.360 I loved my upbringing.

00:27:16.520 I do not resent my mom for not staying home with me.

00:27:19.600 But you...

00:27:20.360 I guess the only point I make...

00:27:21.380 Because I agree.

00:27:21.880 That was my upbringing, too.

00:27:22.820 But I'm just saying, that was one experience.

00:27:26.840 Mm-hmm.

00:27:27.080 And the other experience is, you know, mommy's come...

00:27:29.880 You know, you come home and she's got brownies and whatever, does that thing. 1.00

00:27:34.640 They're just different experiences.

00:27:36.320 Yeah.

00:27:36.700 Meaning you can't do them both at the same time.

00:27:38.200 You can't be baking brownies while you're taking the business call to do the merger and

00:27:42.260 acquisition.

00:27:43.480 Oh, I think you can.

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00:28:51.220 Okay.

00:28:51.940 I think I'm crushing you.

00:28:53.220 You're destroying me with facts and logic.

00:28:55.100 It is, and drinks.

00:28:56.480 It is 3 to negative 1.

00:28:59.420 Okay.

00:28:59.860 I've got negative points.

00:29:01.900 All right.

00:29:02.560 Now, I have a chance to recoup my losses because it is the rapid-fire round.

00:29:08.920 All right.

00:29:12.360 It's the rapid-fire round.

00:29:13.560 There we go.

00:29:13.980 Okay.

00:29:14.120 Thank you.

00:29:14.520 You're going to read, and I'm going to answer.

00:29:16.740 Okay.

00:29:16.920 Rapid-fire.

00:29:17.360 Are you worried that eventually a new study will say zin is poison and possibly makes

00:29:22.580 you gay?

00:29:24.460 I'm going right down the list now.

00:29:25.700 Okay.

00:29:25.900 So, the first one, then I answer, then you guess how I would answer.

00:29:31.460 Hold on.

00:29:31.940 Hold on.

00:29:32.240 I want to change my answer.

00:29:33.240 I want to change my answer.

00:29:37.380 Correct.

00:29:37.940 Okay.

00:29:38.360 Yeah.

00:29:38.660 I'm not worried because I know that that study will come out.

00:29:42.160 I'm confident of it.

00:29:43.040 Okay.

00:29:43.520 Okay.

00:29:43.800 We'll clear it.

00:29:44.400 Yes.

00:29:44.740 Clear it out.

00:29:45.360 All right.

00:29:46.700 Are Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey endgame?

00:29:50.880 Are they endgame?

00:29:51.820 Oh, like they're going to get married.

00:29:53.000 Yes.

00:29:55.880 Yes.

00:29:56.560 Yeah.

00:29:57.020 Yeah.

00:29:57.340 Come on.

00:29:58.060 They wouldn't, even if it were all scripted, you can't break up now.

00:30:01.320 It's not.

00:30:02.020 Too many fake-outs.

00:30:02.860 All right.

00:30:03.400 Another point for me.

00:30:05.000 Does a woman's body count matter if she has truly changed her ways? 1.00

00:30:13.980 It's a very difficult question, actually.

00:30:15.360 Yeah, it matters.

00:30:19.860 It doesn't matter, ultimately.

00:30:21.080 Yeah, you do.

00:30:21.720 I'm really crushing it.

00:30:22.840 I'm completely destroying it.

00:30:23.820 It matters.

00:30:25.120 Like, it matters because there are temporal effects owing to sin, even sins that are already

00:30:28.900 forgiven.

00:30:29.520 So, like, I feel like I have views on this that irritate people for opposite reasons.

00:30:34.540 Because I think, like, ultimately, no, you can just repent.

00:30:36.700 People, everyone can repent.

00:30:37.900 And it's good.

00:30:39.220 But, like, there are temporal effects owing to sin and habituations and things that, like,

00:30:44.260 it does, it bothers people, you know?

00:30:46.920 Yeah.

00:30:47.080 That's, I think that's...

00:30:48.140 Do you think it should bother women, though, equally?

00:30:51.220 It should bother women, but not equally. 0.90

00:30:53.260 No.

00:30:53.740 There are, I think there is a double standard.

00:30:55.280 I think men and women are different.

00:30:56.160 So, it's not a hypocrisy.

00:30:57.520 But, yeah, but men and women are different.

00:31:00.140 So, like, a guy, the reason that men, if they're Lotharios or Casanovas or something, are sometimes

00:31:08.920 even admired for it, though they shouldn't be, and the reason why women are looked on 1.00

00:31:12.520 as promiscuous and kind of dirty for it, is just because of the different natures of

00:31:18.940 men and women.

00:31:19.420 Like, a man pursues a woman, a woman is pursued.

00:31:21.700 And so, it's, you know, it's more difficult for a man to sleep with other women.

00:31:27.200 It's easy for a woman to sleep with a lot of men. 1.00

00:31:30.620 And so, the woman has to be on guard to protect her modesty, whereas the man, if he's going 0.69

00:31:34.760 to be a Lothario, has to try to chase the women.

00:31:38.680 That's my view, at least.

00:31:39.760 Okay.

00:31:40.440 You disagree.

00:31:41.340 I'm not necessarily saying that I disagree.

00:31:44.180 I would say, I think it's also unattractive to date somebody who has a very high body count.

00:31:48.440 I find that unattractive.

00:31:49.600 It is, it is.

00:31:49.800 I don't find it more acceptable.

00:31:51.740 But, you know.

00:31:52.320 You don't think it's a little more, like.

00:31:53.880 I understand your logic behind it.

00:31:55.540 Yeah.

00:31:56.260 But, as a woman, I find it equally gross if a man has a high body count.

00:32:01.600 Yeah.

00:32:03.640 Like, if a guy, what if he changed his ways, though?

00:32:05.680 Like, the woman changed his ways.

00:32:06.720 It's not a deal breaker for me.

00:32:07.760 I don't think it should be either way.

00:32:09.240 Right?

00:32:09.660 Yeah.

00:32:09.820 I think you learn from your experiences.

00:32:11.220 I'll tell you this.

00:32:12.240 Yeah.

00:32:12.740 My husband was previously married.

00:32:14.940 Yeah.

00:32:15.440 I prefer that.

00:32:17.280 I prefer that.

00:32:17.960 I prefer that he's been married and divorced.

00:32:20.040 I prefer that.

00:32:20.900 Than if he had never been married before.

00:32:22.300 Correct.

00:32:22.580 Why?

00:32:23.420 Well, because if I would have married my husband when he was 25, it would not have worked out.

00:32:28.220 He made all of his mistakes.

00:32:29.420 Right?

00:32:29.780 It would not have worked out.

00:32:31.600 I like that he has learned and grown.

00:32:34.400 And that, to me, is a plus.

00:32:37.440 Interesting.

00:32:37.840 So, not that I love it, but if I'm looking at it logically, with emotions removed, I prefer that.

00:32:44.740 Now, let's say, okay, I totally get that, and I see a fair bit of it.

00:32:47.960 Now, would he like it if I was previously married?

00:32:50.060 No, he sure would not.

00:32:50.860 He would not.

00:32:51.500 He would not.

00:32:52.300 Now, do you think he's hypocritical for that stance?

00:32:54.900 Or no?

00:32:55.580 He would say no.

00:32:56.040 That's just how he is.

00:32:56.940 He's much more of a jealous type than I am.

00:32:59.680 Yeah.

00:33:00.160 And all men are.

00:33:01.260 That's part of what I'm saying.

00:33:02.440 All men are. 0.89

00:33:03.320 Yeah.

00:33:03.600 We don't like the idea of ever even imagining that our wives have ever looked at another man outside of perhaps her father and grandfather.

00:33:11.460 But it's just how the male mind works. 0.59

00:33:14.920 Now, your argument is you want the guy to have made the mistakes.

00:33:19.860 If he's going to make them, you want him to make the mistakes and learn from them and be ready for you.

00:33:24.740 But isn't it, it'd be best if the person just didn't make a bunch of mistakes.

00:33:30.800 I don't think that's the human experience, to be honest with you.

00:33:33.600 I just don't.

00:33:34.760 I think men between the ages of 20 and 30 are not ready, in most cases, for marriage.

00:33:40.700 Yeah.

00:33:41.080 I don't think they are.

00:33:41.840 Now, there are exceptions.

00:33:42.800 My parents got married.

00:33:43.540 My mom was 19.

00:33:44.380 My dad was 21.

00:33:45.360 They've been together for 44 years.

00:33:47.180 Yeah.

00:33:47.440 Okay.

00:33:47.820 It works in some situations.

00:33:49.800 But to your exception and rule analogy that you used earlier, again, I think that men between the ages of 20 and 30 are usually not ready to be husbands and fathers.

00:34:01.620 Yes.

00:34:01.940 No, broadly, I think you're right.

00:34:03.800 But isn't it a, that's a cultural issue?

00:34:06.120 So, look.

00:34:07.260 No, I would actually, back to your point, I think it's a biological thing.

00:34:11.900 Well, then why did it work for your parents?

00:34:14.180 Exceptions and rules.

00:34:15.140 You think it was an exception in their personalities or in the time they grew up?

00:34:19.700 Meaning?

00:34:20.280 Time they grew up.

00:34:21.060 Yes.

00:34:21.320 Way that they grew up.

00:34:22.180 That's what I'm saying.

00:34:22.600 Time grew up.

00:34:23.320 Way that they grew up.

00:34:24.200 That's all I mean by culture.

00:34:25.000 It's completely, it's completely different.

00:34:26.320 I do feel, though, that at least operating in 2025.

00:34:30.280 Yes, yes.

00:34:31.120 Men between the ages of 20 and 30.

00:34:33.260 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:33.580 Are not ready for life's responsibilities.

00:34:35.720 No, I think you're right about that.

00:34:37.500 But so, you know, the reason that our grandparents could all get married at 22 or whatever, and most of the time it worked out, the divorce rates were much lower, and things were generally better, speaks to the fact that there was a culture that was more habituated to virtuous behavior, not vicious behavior.

00:34:53.620 So, where I agree that, you know, I want to get the bad stuff out of my system, learn from my mistakes, change my ways, repent, usually in your 20s is kind of when it happens now.

00:35:07.080 Ideally, you and your husband would have met, you would have come up in a culture that wasn't as confused as 2025, and you would have not been inclined toward all those mistakes that our culture inclines us toward, and you would have gotten married at 22.

00:35:21.280 No.

00:35:21.500 No, I disagree.

00:35:21.940 You say no.

00:35:22.740 Why not?

00:35:23.120 That sounds great.

00:35:24.140 First of all, I would have never wanted to get married at age 22.

00:35:27.120 22-year-old me and 32-year-old me are completely different human beings.

00:35:30.720 But I'm saying, yes, they are.

00:35:32.520 But I'm saying, what if you grew up in, you know, 1943?

00:35:37.300 Well, then people would have been in World War II.

00:35:39.200 Do you think that some people, though, in that, not just generation, but generations, yes, I would agree with you, that marriage is long-lasting, more virtuous behavior?

00:35:50.820 However, how many of those marriages should there have been a divorce and they were just too proud not to get a divorce?

00:35:57.440 I'm totally opposed to divorce.

00:35:58.960 I'm totally opposed in all circumstances.

00:36:01.720 But I see your point.

00:36:02.680 Some of those marriages, we're not great.

00:36:05.860 We all know certain grandparents that have been together for 60 years and they probably shouldn't have made it past 10.

00:36:12.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, and it wouldn't have in today's culture.

00:36:15.180 But when you say 22-year-old Tommy and 30-year-old Tommy are totally different creatures, of course, but, and therefore 22-year-old Tommy shouldn't have married 23-year-old or whatever, your husband.

00:36:29.240 But why?

00:36:30.880 What was the difference?

00:36:32.020 Could there have been a world in which 22-year-old Tommy could have had all the success and all the great stuff but also been excited and ready to get married?

00:36:40.320 No.

00:36:40.900 No.

00:36:41.440 Why not?

00:36:41.620 I started, first of all, I started when I was 21.

00:36:43.880 So I started very young.

00:36:45.600 But I was not ready at that time to settle down.

00:36:49.140 And I was not ready until I was 28 when I met my husband.

00:36:53.540 I was not ready to settle down.

00:36:55.080 Why not?

00:36:55.460 It would not have worked because I didn't want that.

00:36:56.900 You were working too much?

00:36:58.100 No, I just, I did not want that.

00:36:59.600 I did not want to be locked down.

00:37:01.060 I did not want to be settled down.

00:37:02.360 That's what I'm saying though.

00:37:02.980 Why not?

00:37:03.940 That just wasn't what I wanted.

00:37:06.440 It just wasn't.

00:37:08.360 I agree.

00:37:08.760 Me too.

00:37:09.140 I mean, one of my few regrets, I was actually talking to, I've talked to a lot of people who are actually fairly prominent in public life.

00:37:16.080 But I won't say their names and embarrass them.

00:37:18.640 But people have told me, you know, one of my big regrets, I hear this a lot, I wish I'd gotten married younger.

00:37:24.060 And I think that to myself.

00:37:25.280 And I think, look, in the scope of Providence, it all works out as God wants.

00:37:28.560 So I'm not, I don't stay up at night over this.

00:37:31.380 But it is kind of a regret of mine too.

00:37:32.900 If I was ready to get married at 28, why wasn't I ready to get married at 22, 23?

00:37:38.780 Because I wanted to go stay out later at more bars, carouse.

00:37:42.760 Like, okay, I mean, it's kind of fun.

00:37:44.520 But I don't, was that good for me?

00:37:47.200 I don't know that was good for me.

00:37:48.120 I'm going to tell you, here's a reality show reference for you.

00:37:51.240 I watch a lot of reality TV.

00:37:52.460 I love it.

00:37:52.920 I don't know if you've watched The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives or not, but these young ladies get married at age 22 to their husbands that are 22. 0.99

00:38:01.160 And they've got three kids by, you know, 24.

00:38:05.020 And it doesn't work out because they cheat on each other.

00:38:09.860 They want something else.

00:38:10.820 They want an experience elsewhere.

00:38:12.940 But that's reality TV.

00:38:14.040 They need that drama.

00:38:14.980 You're not going to hear the stories of the people who have a good marriage.

00:38:17.620 That wouldn't make reality TV.

00:38:18.900 I don't think that, exception in rule again, there's always exceptions to the rule.

00:38:24.540 I don't think many people who get married very young and have kids very young, I think that they probably experience some level of angst.

00:38:34.940 Not everybody, but I think many do.

00:38:38.440 And whether they're honest about it, I don't know.

00:38:40.160 Whether they won't admit it to themselves until they're 55, perhaps.

00:38:44.420 Yeah, the grass is always greener.

00:38:45.840 I know people who got married in 1920, spit out six kids, couldn't be happier.

00:38:52.420 I've seen it happen.

00:38:53.600 And I think that's how society worked for a long time.

00:38:55.360 But to your point, you know, I was an atheist for 10 years.

00:39:00.220 I was a libertarian.

00:39:01.600 I admit.

00:39:02.680 I admit.

00:39:03.740 Sometimes.

00:39:04.440 I was a libertarian for a little bit.

00:39:05.980 And never a liberal, but a libertarian.

00:39:07.580 And it is helpful to me now that I was single for some years, that I was an atheist, that I was a libertarian.

00:39:16.740 It's helpful.

00:39:18.380 It's also harmful, because you have the scars of bad habits.

00:39:22.440 But it's helpful in the sense that there ain't no greener grass on the other side.

00:39:27.760 I've seen the other side of the fence.

00:39:29.320 I know how that grass is.

00:39:31.180 It's not great.

00:39:31.660 I understand that point.

00:39:33.960 But can't you—I guess the ultimate question we're talking about here is, does one have to make mistakes?

00:39:41.660 Or can we learn from others' mistakes?

00:39:43.860 I think we're fallible humans and we make mistakes.

00:39:46.240 And I think we have to.

00:39:48.040 I think we have to make mistakes.

00:39:49.320 What about Jim Mattis, the general, former Defense Secretary under Trump, one?

00:39:53.420 He said, I read a lot of books so that other people make mistakes for me.

00:39:57.960 So I don't need to make those mistakes that they made.

00:40:00.440 That's great in battle.

00:40:01.400 But in life, good luck.

00:40:03.940 You're going to make a mistake.

00:40:05.340 We've all made them.

00:40:06.380 We're stronger for them.

00:40:07.920 I believe that to my very core.

00:40:10.620 But would you avoid—like, tomorrow, not to belabor the point, but if you said there's some terrible mistake you could make tomorrow.

00:40:16.300 Yeah.

00:40:16.860 But I'm warning you about it now.

00:40:18.400 So you don't have to make it.

00:40:20.720 Would you still choose to make the mistake so you're better for it and stronger for it?

00:40:24.380 Or would you try to avoid it?

00:40:25.780 That wouldn't be a natural situation, though.

00:40:28.200 Of course it is.

00:40:28.900 That's what catechesis is. 1.00

00:40:30.140 I could avoid it.

00:40:31.380 I don't think you make—

00:40:31.880 But that's what moral education is.

00:40:33.040 I don't think you make mistakes knowing that you're about to make a mistake.

00:40:35.940 No, of course.

00:40:36.420 In most cases.

00:40:37.020 I think it's the hindsight that provides that knowledge.

00:40:39.720 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:40.220 No, but that's what I'm saying.

00:40:41.220 If growing up, you know, you said, hey, here's a—

00:40:43.860 I'll make it easier.

00:40:44.800 If you could tell me, hey, you could go back to when you were with so-and-so.

00:40:48.720 Yes.

00:40:48.960 And you could have completely avoided that.

00:40:50.500 Stupid ex-boyfriend.

00:40:51.580 You could have eliminated these three guys and gone straight to your husband. 1.00

00:40:54.780 Would you have—

00:40:55.100 Yes.

00:40:55.620 No.

00:40:56.180 No!

00:40:57.020 No.

00:40:57.460 You had led me on to say you were going to say yes.

00:41:00.020 No, because I learned and I grew from all of them.

00:41:04.220 It's everything that was needed to me to get to the point that I was, that I was ready

00:41:08.400 to get married, and that I know that now I'm sick.

00:41:11.140 Okay.

00:41:11.820 Hey, okay.

00:41:12.480 That is a blunt an answer.

00:41:15.380 There were some girls I might have taken off—you know, I might have gotten off the list. 0.62

00:41:19.900 But that—okay.

00:41:21.300 That's an honest answer.

00:41:24.220 I don't even remember.

00:41:25.360 We were talking—

00:41:25.640 You rapid-fire asked me.

00:41:26.660 I am.

00:41:26.920 It's rapid-fire for you.

00:41:27.940 Okay.

00:41:28.200 I'm going to clear my answer.

00:41:29.100 It's already cleared.

00:41:29.760 Okay.

00:41:29.940 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:41:35.820 It's like every time.

00:41:38.520 Do men who never go to the gym have any grounds to advocate that women should stay in shape?

00:41:43.780 Men who never go to the gym.

00:41:44.980 Who are those men?

00:41:48.060 Yeah.

00:41:48.920 I'd say some of us actually do have grounds because we're rational creatures and we don't

00:41:51.660 have to go lift weights to—anyway, that's fine.

00:41:53.480 We'll talk about this later.

00:41:55.280 Would you mind clearing?

00:41:56.780 Is there a good argument for bringing back public executions?

00:41:59.940 Hold on.

00:42:05.520 You laughed.

00:42:06.280 So I want to say you're going to say no.

00:42:08.140 But was that a fake out?

00:42:09.180 You could be—

00:42:10.740 Oh, you said—come on.

00:42:13.200 She laughed, though.

00:42:13.900 It was like a total head fake.

00:42:15.660 I'm very good at this game.

00:42:17.060 Yeah.

00:42:17.320 Ah, this is awful.

00:42:18.580 This is terrible.

00:42:19.900 Would you sooner attend—would you—wow, that's a good question.

00:42:22.620 Would you sooner attend a women's march or a march for life? 0.81

00:42:27.360 So hold on.

00:42:27.800 The phrasing is, would you sooner attend a women's march than a march for life?

00:42:34.680 Wow.

00:42:35.560 That's a real Sophie's choice here.

00:42:37.060 First, I have to clear up my answer.

00:42:38.280 Clear up.

00:42:38.740 Clear the answer.

00:42:40.220 Read it again so I make—

00:42:41.280 Would you sooner attend a women's march than a march for life? 1.00

00:42:47.700 Okay.

00:42:51.080 We're talking about feminism. 1.00

00:42:52.780 We're talking about—

00:42:53.860 People never know which way I'm going to go on these.

00:42:56.320 Would you sooner attend—oh, man.

00:42:58.100 I don't know where I'm going.

00:42:59.280 Ah, come on! 0.96

00:43:07.760 Ah.

00:43:08.660 Because—why?

00:43:10.060 Because—

00:43:10.500 First of all—

00:43:11.420 Because they're on your team.

00:43:12.600 The pro-life people are on your team.

00:43:14.020 First of all, the pro-life people are going to smell and look better.

00:43:18.420 If I'm going to put myself into a crowd, which I hate anyway, I'm going to be honest, too.

00:43:22.600 I'm not showing up to any march.

00:43:23.980 Yeah.

00:43:24.420 I don't even like to work out with other people near me.

00:43:26.400 I don't like to work out.

00:43:27.220 The last thing I'm going to do is put myself in a march.

00:43:30.100 I don't even like to go to concerts and sit in general public.

00:43:32.940 I don't like crowds.

00:43:33.880 I don't like people.

00:43:34.780 You wouldn't catch me there.

00:43:35.720 I love law enforcement.

00:43:36.580 I wouldn't be at a law enforcement march either.

00:43:38.440 Yeah, yeah.

00:43:38.980 So, I will say this, though.

00:43:41.060 People often get my position on this very, very confused.

00:43:43.580 Because you're pro—

00:43:44.560 I am pro-choice, but I'm not personally pro-choice.

00:43:48.280 I like the pro-life message.

00:43:50.740 If the pro-life message is we want to preserve life, and we want to encourage people to preserve life, I'm with you.

00:43:56.300 But as a matter of law, if you want to abort your kid, you can. 0.65

00:44:01.220 As a matter of law.

00:44:02.020 Not as a matter of personal choice.

00:44:02.820 To an extent.

00:44:03.940 To an—again, I'm not a late-term abortion.

00:44:07.400 You're never going to catch me advocating for that, even for a, like, limited government perspective.

00:44:11.960 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:12.300 Right?

00:44:12.860 But then why is there on it?

00:44:13.780 I'm with you on the pro-life call.

00:44:16.100 Here's the deal.

00:44:16.940 It's not saying that it's not important, that it's not a life.

00:44:19.860 It's not that.

00:44:20.400 It's me saying, does the government—and actually, we're in the anniversary of the repeal of Roe v. Wade, right?

00:44:26.680 Yeah, right.

00:44:27.260 And there's more abortions now than before they repealed the damn thing. 1.00

00:44:29.720 That's because of the abortion pill. 1.00

00:44:30.940 That would have happened anyway.

00:44:32.320 That's like 75% of the abortion pill now, which is a technological change.

00:44:35.460 But I—look, I grant, there have been, at the state level, laws since—because the repeal just said, go to the states.

00:44:42.480 There are now certain states that say, yeah, we're going to have abortion up until the moment of birth.

00:44:45.460 And there are some, like Tennessee, that say pretty much nothing.

00:44:47.940 It's basically done.

00:44:48.620 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:48.920 And I agree with that.

00:44:50.580 States rights. 0.63

00:44:51.020 So, hold on.

00:44:51.420 You're more pro-life than I thought you were.

00:44:53.580 I'm definitely personally pro-life.

00:44:56.200 So then why not—if you're—

00:44:57.360 I don't believe that the government solves the problem.

00:44:59.840 Why not?

00:45:00.060 Because I don't believe the government—

00:45:01.200 The government passes laws.

00:45:02.900 The government—we have laws against murder.

00:45:04.080 We have laws against jaywalking.

00:45:05.380 I understand that.

00:45:05.540 We have laws against immigration. 0.98

00:45:06.760 I understand that.

00:45:07.720 Well, loosely.

00:45:09.200 They're not in the forest very often.

00:45:10.780 So, loosely.

00:45:11.600 I will say this.

00:45:12.820 You criminalize when you murder because you do it with the intent.

00:45:16.800 I—when I believe that women are in that position, that they are getting an abortion, I believe more often than not—

00:45:23.300 They don't know what they're doing.

00:45:24.020 It's because they're scared.

00:45:26.460 They don't know what to do.

00:45:27.780 They're poor.

00:45:29.260 I don't believe that they do it because they are going to murder.

00:45:31.880 I don't believe—

00:45:32.500 There's a crowd for that.

00:45:33.520 Some do.

00:45:34.120 There's a crowd for that, and it's a disgusting crowd.

00:45:36.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:45:36.640 But I don't believe that it solves the problem.

00:45:39.460 Now, I believe that—

00:45:41.300 It would solve the problem for the babies.

00:45:42.500 Faith, family—I don't—because I don't believe you're going to not get an abortion because the government says, okay, we have an all-out abortion.

00:45:47.720 Family rates spiked after Roe v. Wade.

00:45:49.460 It spiked.

00:45:50.300 Now, there were always some illegal abortions, but not many compared to the legal ones.

00:45:54.400 So I'm just saying, look, whatever your view on abortion is, it's one thing.

00:45:58.160 I'm just saying, if you're willing to use the government to enforce laws about taxes, driving, homicide, manslaughter and murder, whatever, incest, simple assault, drinking underage, all—you know, we have laws about everything.

00:46:14.140 Why not that?

00:46:16.000 Why is this the one thing we can't have a law about?

00:46:17.700 I think intent matters.

00:46:20.160 And again, late term, we're not talking about late term.

00:46:22.800 Yeah.

00:46:23.100 You have plenty of time.

00:46:24.040 I think intent matters.

00:46:25.180 Like I said, women that are in that position, I don't believe that they're doing it. 1.00

00:46:28.420 When you don't pay your taxes, murder somebody— 0.51

00:46:30.140 It's like manslaughter.

00:46:30.340 You murder somebody.

00:46:30.640 Manslaughter, you don't have an intent to kill someone.

00:46:32.820 You just do it accidentally or, you know, in passion or something.

00:46:35.300 Yeah.

00:46:36.020 Well, usually you made a pretty egregious mistake.

00:46:39.700 Yes.

00:46:40.180 Yeah.

00:46:40.340 Right.

00:46:40.800 I understand your perspective.

00:46:42.380 I just don't think that the government solves the problem.

00:46:44.980 If you want women to choose life, if you want women to either choose life and choose to adopt or choose to be a mother, I believe that you don't do that by government mandate.

00:46:54.860 I believe you do that by faith, fellowship, family, friendship.

00:46:58.640 I think that's the area that you provide love and compassion to somebody.

00:47:01.800 And federal legislation.

00:47:02.840 No, you would disagree.

00:47:03.320 I disagree with you.

00:47:04.280 I don't think it solves the problem.

00:47:05.780 Now, but you would still go to the March for Life over the Women's March. 1.00

00:47:09.220 Yes.

00:47:09.280 But no marches generally.

00:47:10.280 I wouldn't go to any march, but I have no problem with a pro-life march.

00:47:14.180 It's not like I look at it and go, oh, no, no, no.

00:47:16.440 Those are my people.

00:47:17.480 I love that they're passionate about it.

00:47:19.120 And I love that they want to preach pro-life values.

00:47:22.760 I think that's great.

00:47:23.820 Yeah.

00:47:24.400 Now, I don't believe in a federal abortion ban, but I believe in a pro-life message.

00:47:28.860 Yeah, yeah.

00:47:29.320 Okay.

00:47:29.540 And I believe that we have been led to believe that you can't believe both things.

00:47:33.980 Yeah, yeah.

00:47:34.300 And I think that the majority of Americans believe both things.

00:47:38.360 I think the polls show us that.

00:47:39.760 Yeah, people are kind of in the middle.

00:47:40.480 That's true.

00:47:41.260 All right.

00:47:42.120 Well, maybe I can persuade you.

00:47:44.680 After our final round.

00:47:46.740 Is Jojo Siwa just the first of many influencers who will soon discover that they were pressured

00:47:54.660 into being gay?

00:48:02.300 You told me that, but you saw that I moved so fast.

00:48:04.720 Okay, that's fair.

00:48:05.320 So, hold on.

00:48:05.720 Now, you've got to put your answer.

00:48:07.740 That I believe on that one?

00:48:08.680 That you believe, and I have to guess what you believe.

00:48:11.320 I shouldn't have moved so fast, because Tommy obviously got it right.

00:48:15.300 Correct.

00:48:15.800 Okay, all right.

00:48:16.280 Last one.

00:48:16.740 That's an easy one.

00:48:17.100 That was an easy one.

00:48:17.940 Okay, we're going to clear.

00:48:19.160 Last one.

00:48:20.680 If it's culturally acceptable for black women to dye their hair blonde, should it also... 1.00

00:48:26.000 Sorry.

00:48:28.680 If it's culturally acceptable for black women to dye their hair blonde, should it also be 1.00

00:48:33.680 culturally acceptable for white people to wear blackface?

00:48:37.320 Good Lord.

00:48:38.380 It's kind of a non sequitur, wouldn't you say?

00:48:40.440 Okay, hold on.

00:48:41.080 I've got to put my answer.

00:48:42.020 You've got to put your answer.

00:48:42.660 Okay.

00:48:42.800 We'll do the others.

00:48:43.560 Okay.

00:48:44.180 So, I'm going to get...

00:48:45.000 You have to lock yours in first, and then I've got to guess.

00:48:50.500 All right.

00:48:50.920 You've got to lock yours in, too.

00:48:54.980 Okay.

00:48:55.540 Okay.

00:48:55.980 Now, I've got to...

00:48:57.200 Now, I move yours first, I think.

00:48:58.440 Except Tom...

00:48:59.240 So, I have an answer in my head that I think you would answer, but you've been faking me

00:49:02.880 out this whole game, or have been crushing me.

00:49:05.400 Yeah.

00:49:12.660 Now, do you want me to answer?

00:49:13.620 You've got to move it to mine. 0.66

00:49:15.700 I hope I'm right on that.

00:49:17.360 I hope for your sake that I'm right.

00:49:18.780 I'm completely fine with blackface. 0.99

00:49:20.760 In some cases.

00:49:23.120 I say completely in some.

00:49:24.220 Here's my argument.

00:49:25.740 I remember once, there was some blackface controversy that came up.

00:49:28.440 There was many of them, yes.

00:49:29.440 There were many.

00:49:30.100 Not even blackface blackface. 0.77

00:49:31.180 It was like Jimmy Fallon dressed up as Chris Rock or something.

00:49:34.060 And I was in a cab.

00:49:36.200 I was in an Uber.

00:49:36.840 Nice Uber.

00:49:37.480 With a black driver. 0.98

00:49:38.760 And it came on the radio.

00:49:39.640 And I said, oh, what do you think about that?

00:49:40.980 And they said, oh, man, I don't care.

00:49:42.160 It's all in good fun.

00:49:43.060 Whatever.

00:49:43.500 I don't care.

00:49:43.840 And that's kind of my view.

00:49:45.660 If you're doing it to be really cruel to any racial group, I think that's quite wrong to be cruel and rude.

00:49:52.840 But if you're just sort of having fun, it's fine.

00:49:55.800 I think the Waynes brothers can put on whiteface.

00:49:57.840 I think I can do a little minstrel show.

00:50:00.140 Billy Kersands was the great genius of minstrelsy.

00:50:02.900 He was a black guy.

00:50:04.020 Yeah.

00:50:04.540 That one's going to get me in a lot of trouble.

00:50:06.180 Yeah.

00:50:06.380 I don't think that you're correct, that I don't think many care as much as the loud voices that decry it.

00:50:14.980 However, I just would never do it.

00:50:16.660 I'm not going to walk into that territory.

00:50:18.140 It just does not seem worth it to me to be canceled for that.

00:50:20.820 That's like, I don't have that desire that badly.

00:50:23.020 As a Sicilian, we're basically African ourselves.

00:50:25.260 So if I were Lily White, I might have a different answer.

00:50:29.640 Now, folks, listen here.

00:50:32.980 Tommy's new show, Tommy Lauren is Fearless, covers everything.

00:50:35.860 From trending political topics to today's pop culture news, to sports and everything in between.

00:50:41.320 No topics are off limits.

00:50:43.440 Take a look.

00:50:54.280 Well, folks, we probably could have predicted this, but I want to show you what happens when a religious group,

00:51:00.980 of course, a Christian group tries to peacefully assemble, hold an event, hold a rally in a deep blue liberal hellhole. 0.79

00:51:10.180 Cue the loving and tolerant left.

00:51:12.720 Yes, doing what they naturally do with their loving and unifying message surrounding a poor woman with her infant, spewing hate.

00:51:20.300 All because Christians wanted to assemble and they had the audacity to do it in some place like Seattle. 0.98

00:51:26.580 I know, God forbid, the horror.

00:51:28.220 Now, you can go check out more of Tommy's content.

00:51:31.460 You probably already follow her.

00:51:32.600 Just statistically speaking, you probably already follow her on Instagram, at Tommy Lauren, and YouTube, at Tommy Lauren is Fearless.

00:51:40.240 And I will see you, first of all, thank you, Tommy.

00:51:42.060 It was marvelous to see you.

00:51:42.780 Thank you for having me.

00:51:43.880 And I will see you next time on Yes or No.

00:51:47.060 Also, Tommy completely destroyed me with facts and logic.

00:51:49.420 Thank you.

The Michael Knowles Show - June 30, 2025

YES or NO： Tomi Lahren

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