The Michael Knowles Show - YES or NO with Ben Shapiro ｜ Real Answers and Real Drinks

00:00:00.240 Currently, half the country has no accountability or ability to reason.

00:00:04.540 And it's just a coincidence, half of the people are women.

00:00:09.420 Ah, this is such a trap right here.

00:00:12.020 One can read the question.

00:00:13.680 One, two, three.

00:00:30.000 Welcome back to another exciting episode, perhaps the most exciting episode of Yes or No.

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00:01:20.260 We produce a game with your name on it.

00:01:23.980 I know you had been.

00:01:25.760 I don't know half of what goes on at this company.

00:01:27.200 Naturally, I thought you were plotting a game like Clue where I die.

00:01:32.620 That's obviously in development.

00:01:34.840 Can we do that?

00:01:36.260 HR forbids.

00:01:37.460 Okay.

00:01:37.800 Fair enough.

00:01:39.060 Okay.

00:01:39.340 Now you are drinking.

00:01:40.800 This is a peanut butter whiskey.

00:01:42.720 It sounds delicious.

00:01:43.540 It does.

00:01:43.980 It sounds very...

00:01:44.760 I'm pretty excited about it, honestly.

00:01:46.100 Okay.

00:01:46.540 First thing I've been excited about at this company for...

00:01:48.360 I can't even tell you.

00:01:49.080 I can't even tell you.

00:01:50.120 Years.

00:01:50.240 When it's a woman on the show, the lady goes first. 1.00

00:01:53.740 Since you're a man, I will go first.

00:01:55.560 I appreciate that.

00:01:56.180 Thank you.

00:01:57.040 First question.

00:01:59.160 When we first met, I just knew that we would spend the majority of our adult working lives together.

00:02:07.220 So you have to answer how you think I would answer.

00:02:10.140 Oh, okay.

00:02:11.680 All right.

00:02:12.700 Are we supposed to do this simultaneously?

00:02:14.060 Then you move my glass.

00:02:14.620 Yes.

00:02:15.440 Yeah.

00:02:15.940 So.

00:02:16.800 One, two, three.

00:02:20.460 Okay.

00:02:21.860 Of course.

00:02:22.560 Yeah.

00:02:22.900 I mean, I figured that's how you would answer that.

00:02:25.220 But I think that that's because you're a very optimistic and personality-mirroring fellow.

00:02:31.500 And so literally every person that you meet, you think that's the case.

00:02:34.660 This is my best friend now.

00:02:36.200 A hundred percent.

00:02:36.840 Like, we'll be at an event, it'll be 10,000 people who'll be like, I'm going to spend the rest of my life with this guy.

00:02:41.200 I think that's actually fairly accurate.

00:02:43.140 Did I get it right?

00:02:44.400 You did.

00:02:44.820 You did.

00:02:45.080 I did.

00:02:45.380 Because you said, this is a world with a good and loving God governing everything.

00:02:50.740 And therefore, I get to spend my working life with Michael.

00:02:54.420 Yeah, no.

00:02:55.860 Actually, I would have assumed it just because Jeremy is the one, I believe, who introduced us.

00:02:59.700 And it was at Claven's house.

00:03:00.580 And I was like, God, the chance is that I'm not working with this guy.

00:03:04.220 Yeah, exactly.

00:03:04.720 Like, it's over.

00:03:05.460 It's over.

00:03:05.720 Well, now, we're only supposed to drink if we get it wrong.

00:03:08.820 Oh, okay.

00:03:09.340 But we can also drink if we get it right.

00:03:10.740 Okay, well, I like that rule.

00:03:11.920 That's a good rule.

00:03:14.320 That's good stuff.

00:03:15.380 It's a nice martini.

00:03:16.160 Okay, you're up.

00:03:17.000 Okay, here we go.

00:03:21.500 Okay.

00:03:23.000 I'm supposed to answer this how I think you will answer this?

00:03:24.980 Yes.

00:03:27.180 Michael's wife is a doctor.

00:03:30.380 Oh.

00:03:30.700 Well, and obviously, you would say yes, because you know the etymology of the word doctor. 1.00

00:03:38.560 Such an asshole. 1.00

00:03:39.100 It means a teacher. 1.00

00:03:39.980 Yeah, no.

00:03:40.600 No.

00:03:41.320 No.

00:03:41.800 Wait, no?

00:03:42.260 No.

00:03:42.920 Huh?

00:03:43.260 No.

00:03:43.720 What are you?

00:03:44.400 Can she diagnose me with anything other than like a missing literature degree or something?

00:03:48.140 Like, no?

00:03:49.160 No, I don't.

00:03:50.200 But, wait, hold on.

00:03:52.140 Are you conflating?

00:03:53.380 Are you saying that?

00:03:54.180 Am I also a doctor, Michael?

00:03:55.900 You are.

00:03:56.500 Oh, yes, you are a doctor.

00:03:57.140 I'm a jurist doctor.

00:03:58.240 You are.

00:03:58.500 You are a jurist doctor.

00:03:59.840 You're a teacher to millions of people on your show.

00:04:02.940 You're a doctor much more.

00:04:04.200 Like, Dr. Fauci.

00:04:05.460 That guy's not a doctor.

00:04:06.640 Dr. Fauci.

00:04:07.420 But Dr. Jill is totally a doctor.

00:04:09.420 Dr. Jill.

00:04:10.260 The greatest of all done.

00:04:10.840 She's the greatest surgeon.

00:04:11.780 That's true.

00:04:12.240 She's an amazing doctor.

00:04:13.680 She is.

00:04:14.340 And the president.

00:04:15.080 And she probably is the president. 1.00

00:04:17.040 That's true.

00:04:17.780 Okay.

00:04:18.680 Well, I may have gotten that wrong.

00:04:21.640 Okay.

00:04:22.260 But either way, I'll drink.

00:04:23.540 Okay, I'm up.

00:04:26.700 Marijuana was the gateway drug to the fall of the West.

00:04:33.000 Ooh.

00:04:33.720 I have a kind of edgy answer here, but I'm not going to say it.

00:04:35.960 I have to say what Michael would say about this.

00:04:38.220 Yeah.

00:04:40.360 One, two, three.

00:04:44.500 Yeah, no, I think that if I'm going to...

00:04:48.220 I'll bet Michael goes with LSD.

00:04:50.160 Like really, like the Timothy Leary, like LSD.

00:04:54.360 I was thinking more Albigensianism was the gateway drug to the fall of the West.

00:04:57.280 Oh, you're really going to obscure here.

00:04:58.620 Okay, fine.

00:04:59.000 It's not like the actual drug.

00:04:59.980 Fine.

00:05:00.380 Okay.

00:05:00.800 But yeah.

00:05:01.980 No, I don't think that marijuana was the gateway drug to the fall of the West.

00:05:05.240 I think it was more symptomatic than causative.

00:05:08.280 But if we're speaking only about drugs.

00:05:10.240 If we're speaking only about drugs, then I think that's fair.

00:05:11.820 I think that's fair.

00:05:12.300 And you're right about acid.

00:05:14.600 That is LSD.

00:05:16.840 Those were the only drugs I was really interested in trying.

00:05:19.480 I never tried them.

00:05:20.420 Never tried anything harsher than the Peruvian parsley.

00:05:22.640 But those interested me because they said, you see all these things and dimensions.

00:05:28.720 And I realized, yeah, you probably see demons.

00:05:30.680 Well, you know, marijuana was a drug that sort of was from the ground up in terms of usage.

00:05:36.400 And LSD was more like the intellectual elites are using LSD and therefore all drug use is okay.

00:05:41.360 And the Beatles are using LSD.

00:05:42.760 And that means it's really cool.

00:05:43.860 So I think that I'd say I'd go with LSD.

00:05:46.640 LSD, yeah.

00:05:47.520 I really liked McCartney had this great reaction to LSD, which is I guess John wanted him to do it.

00:05:53.940 And then McCartney, he said, John said, you know, it changes your brain.

00:05:58.060 You're never the same.

00:05:59.380 And McCartney said, well, you know, I kind of like my brain.

00:06:01.740 I don't know if I want to change my brain.

00:06:03.860 And I thought, I had that thought too as a kid.

00:06:05.560 I was like, I don't know.

00:06:07.120 I'm not some Adonis, right?

00:06:09.040 I'm not going to be, I'm like lifting big rocks in my life. 0.97

00:06:12.060 So if my brain gets broken, I'm just completely screwed.

00:06:14.920 Although I do remember that time when you were eating nothing but meat in the L.A. office

00:06:18.020 in a desperate attempt to bulk up for a movie we never made.

00:06:20.980 I do remember that.

00:06:22.200 So while you weren't an Adonis, I do remember you.

00:06:24.560 And all that happened to you is you got slightly fatter.

00:06:26.840 You didn't actually get.

00:06:27.740 I got more than slightly fatter.

00:06:29.240 Right.

00:06:29.500 You did not get more muscular.

00:06:30.660 No, I got. 0.84

00:06:31.320 You just looked fat.

00:06:33.060 So I gained 20 pounds.

00:06:36.760 And none of it was muscle.

00:06:38.040 I looked at you and I was like, aren't you supposed to be like.

00:06:40.960 So I followed a regimen for this movie that we never made.

00:06:44.320 I followed a regimen.

00:06:44.940 It was like a Ziploc bag of meat.

00:06:46.460 You bring it in every day.

00:06:47.500 And a pizza.

00:06:48.120 I would eat an extra large pizza almost every day.

00:06:50.480 And so I'm sitting there eating.

00:06:51.480 I did cut my body fat.

00:06:52.840 I actually did my body fat went down.

00:06:54.820 But I became like a big fat guy.

00:06:57.000 And then.

00:06:57.460 But then I made one mistake, which is, you know, you're supposed to bulk, bulk, bulk.

00:07:00.820 I was working out every day.

00:07:01.300 And then you're supposed to cut, right?

00:07:02.160 Well, see, that's the trick.

00:07:03.960 And I never quite made it to that.

00:07:06.900 But I'm glad I at least fundamentally changed my body chemistry for a movie that never happened.

00:07:10.540 Yeah, no, that was good.

00:07:11.900 All right.

00:07:12.260 Yeah.

00:07:12.480 Okay.

00:07:13.800 Thank you.

00:07:14.360 So I'll drink to that memory.

00:07:16.400 Currently, half the country has no accountability or ability to reason.

00:07:26.620 And it's just a coincidence.

00:07:27.760 Half of the people are women.

00:07:33.680 The wisdom of Jack Nicholson.

00:07:35.480 This is such a trap right here.

00:07:37.700 It's a trap mainly because I have to answer for you, right?

00:07:40.080 You have to answer for me.

00:07:41.420 Yeah.

00:07:41.640 I have to answer for you.

00:07:42.380 Currently, half the country has no accountability or ability to reason.

00:07:49.600 And it's just a coincidence that half of them are women. 0.99

00:07:56.480 It's kind of weird.

00:07:57.280 I assume it's being sarcastic, so.

00:07:59.920 Okay.

00:08:00.200 One can read the question.

00:08:01.100 All right.

00:08:01.460 Here we go.

00:08:01.780 One, two, three.

00:08:06.020 That's right.

00:08:06.540 I think Knowles is more of a sexist than he thinks I am.

00:08:08.860 This is basically how this comes down.

00:08:10.320 Oh, I was just going to say no because it's not a coincidence.

00:08:13.040 Right.

00:08:13.620 Okay.

00:08:14.080 So nailed it.

00:08:14.760 Yeah, exactly.

00:08:17.280 All right.

00:08:21.980 The acceptance of...

00:08:22.780 By the way, in that card, at the very least,

00:08:24.860 you have to distinguish married women from single women.

00:08:26.660 Yeah.

00:08:27.400 Yeah.

00:08:28.200 Well, you mean in the sense that when a man and a woman come together, 0.94

00:08:33.860 they unite as one flesh.

00:08:35.120 And so, therefore, one does not distinguish between qualities that would be attributed

00:08:39.960 to the man.

00:08:40.360 Oh, my God.

00:08:40.940 I don't know.

00:08:41.520 I'm just asking for clarification.

00:08:43.040 All I'm saying is that married women vote in more family-oriented and conservative ways 0.99

00:08:48.860 than single women. 0.50

00:08:49.440 But you went directly to the husband is the master of his household and the owner of his 0.63

00:08:53.440 wife.

00:08:53.800 So I didn't really expect it to go that way.

00:08:57.120 There's been this debate that's cropped up in some recent years, which is, should we repeal

00:09:01.020 the 19th Amendment or not?

00:09:02.160 Who's having this debate except for you?

00:09:04.480 It's mostly Ann Coulter.

00:09:06.100 It's mainly Ann.

00:09:07.540 But I brought it up to Elisa.

00:09:10.040 And I said, you know, the argument that Ann is making is if we repeal the 19th Amendment,

00:09:16.040 she would lose her right to vote.

00:09:17.260 But the country overall would vote in a better way.

00:09:19.520 Right.

00:09:19.960 Statistically, because the women vote for Dems. 1.00

00:09:22.800 But then there are these other proposals.

00:09:24.440 Well, what if we go back to a time when it's only families are voting?

00:09:27.340 You know, only one family.

00:09:28.260 But then I thought, well, that totally screws us over because then all the single people 1.00

00:09:32.380 outnumber us and then they're going to win all the elections.

00:09:34.760 But but what if it's quite the opposite?

00:09:37.280 What if it's only single women lose the right to vote and married women get? 1.00

00:09:42.220 I'm just going to move on to the next question here, because it's just a trap, dude.

00:09:45.880 It's just a trap.

00:09:46.720 OK.

00:09:46.900 The acceptance of sex robots and dolls is a necessary step toward limiting sex work 0.82

00:09:55.440 and criminal pedophilic behavior.

00:09:57.840 It's actually a kind of serious question.

00:10:03.480 But I think it's a serious step.

00:10:04.700 That is kind of a you made me think about it too long.

00:10:14.320 Like if I just started to think about it, I've been like naturally there.

00:10:17.520 But OK, here we go.

00:10:21.140 One, two, three.

00:10:24.220 I think you're going to make the affirmative case that that is that in fact it is necessary.

00:10:27.680 No, I actually I say no.

00:10:29.740 You say no.

00:10:30.140 The reason I say no, even even though, you know, the sex bots like Austin Powers,

00:10:35.980 they seem kind of titillating and everything.

00:10:37.780 The reason I say no is because the argument presumes that human beings are like steam engines.

00:10:43.780 We just have to blow off steam.

00:10:44.820 Right.

00:10:45.040 But that's not actually how vice and virtue work.

00:10:48.000 Vice and virtue work where you do more vice and then you want to do more like you do drugs.

00:10:51.560 You want more drugs.

00:10:52.640 You do more virtue.

00:10:53.580 And hopefully it's slightly easier.

00:10:54.980 So if you give a bunch of weird sex people all these dolls to do whatever they want with, 0.82

00:11:01.400 I don't think it's going to make them better. 0.82

00:11:03.560 I think it's going to make them just go further into their depravity. 0.94

00:11:06.100 OK, so watch as I make the counterargument.

00:11:07.840 So the counterargument is that the amount of sexually aggressive behavior by single men

00:11:15.360 has gone down over the course of time to a certain extent because they are locked up in their rooms with their computers.

00:11:21.040 Yeah.

00:11:21.500 I mean, I think that you can make that argument out.

00:11:23.400 Does that mean it's moral or good?

00:11:24.640 No.

00:11:24.880 I think all of it is bad.

00:11:25.980 And I think the solution to all of it is virtue and marriage.

00:11:28.400 But you know, St. Thomas and I guess St. Augustine make a similar argument about prostitution

00:11:34.200 where they say, it's sometimes misinterpreted that they're saying we should have legalized

00:11:38.540 prostitution, which is not what they're saying.

00:11:40.260 But the argument against outlawing prostitution is that if you don't have some outlet for these

00:11:47.720 lustful men, then society will just be convulsed by lust.

00:11:51.020 By the way, I think that this is the direction that society will move almost inevitably anyway,

00:11:55.460 because I think that we're like five seconds away from the left basically deciding that

00:11:58.600 pedophilia is a form of sexual identity.

00:12:02.280 You mean minor attraction?

00:12:03.440 Minor attraction, yeah.

00:12:04.420 I think the left's going to go for that in a matter of about 27 seconds ago.

00:12:08.900 I think they're already there.

00:12:10.540 Man.

00:12:11.120 Yeah.

00:12:11.540 That's dark.

00:12:12.240 That's dark.

00:12:12.760 That's a dark drink.

00:12:13.700 That's worth drinking.

00:12:14.360 I need, I need, yeah, that's bad.

00:12:18.080 All right.

00:12:21.920 I wish everyone would just shut up about seed oils.

00:12:25.320 This is a, okay.

00:12:26.680 Okay.

00:12:27.100 There we go.

00:12:28.400 One, two, three.

00:12:31.720 Oh, no.

00:12:33.100 I'm, I'm, I'm.

00:12:34.320 You love seed oils?

00:12:35.040 Well, I hate them.

00:12:36.140 I love talking about them.

00:12:37.500 You like talking about seed oils?

00:12:38.720 I'm, this is a kind of a somewhat recent conversion for me.

00:12:42.020 I've never bought into any diet fad or any of these hippie.

00:12:45.940 Seed oils are of the devil.

00:12:48.580 They are the cause of every problem in the world.

00:12:51.900 Wow.

00:12:52.700 Almost, almost, I would say 99%.

00:12:54.920 I am so, I'm so one over on this.

00:12:58.760 Now, your wife is a doctor, so obviously you know that. 0.99

00:13:01.140 Well, I mean, I assumed it was crap, 1.00

00:13:03.020 but then I dismissed it like every other stupid idea that I ever heard. 1.00

00:13:05.920 Also, I'm sick of people making products 1.00

00:13:09.000 from things that, that don't produce that product naturally.

00:13:13.300 Yes.

00:13:13.560 Like, like, oats are not for milk.

00:13:16.000 And, and neither are.

00:13:17.000 Well, you never get down on a lot.

00:13:17.840 And neither, neither are almonds.

00:13:19.360 And neither are soybeans.

00:13:21.740 No.

00:13:22.000 As it turns out, none of these things produce milk.

00:13:23.700 And so if you give me a glass of milk

00:13:25.680 that is made from a thing that doesn't produce milk, I'm suspicious.

00:13:28.200 If it doesn't have udders, I don't want it to be.

00:13:29.700 Right, like, olives produce oil.

00:13:31.900 Mm-hmm.

00:13:32.400 And seeds generally do not produce oil.

00:13:34.860 So I don't know what seed oil is.

00:13:36.300 Or, do you know what, do you know what canola oil actually is?

00:13:38.820 Oh, no.

00:13:39.580 It's called rapeseed. 1.00

00:13:41.940 Wow.

00:13:42.680 It is.

00:13:43.500 It is.

00:13:43.800 That's the name.

00:13:44.820 All the others, what, soybean oil,

00:13:47.920 all these other oils that, that are,

00:13:50.460 and when you want to stop using them, you can't.

00:13:53.940 They're in every food.

00:13:55.780 They're in every single food.

00:13:57.160 I saw one. 0.98

00:13:57.700 Are they perhaps turning the frogs gay? 0.93

00:13:59.420 They, like, probably, yeah. 0.97

00:14:00.720 I, I looked at one product in the grocery store.

00:14:03.160 Are they making the chicken sterile?

00:14:04.360 It, well, that and fire.

00:14:06.640 A fire is also turning the chicken sterile.

00:14:07.820 Fire, yeah.

00:14:09.200 Turning them into, like, crispy little nuggets on their,

00:14:11.400 in their hatcheries.

00:14:12.400 It's not the avian flu.

00:14:14.420 But I, I was in a grocery store,

00:14:16.080 and they had a thing of some seed oil nonsense,

00:14:19.280 and it said, it called it plant butter.

00:14:22.380 Plant butter?

00:14:23.080 Where do you get the butter from the plant?

00:14:24.760 No, that's terrible.

00:14:25.860 That's terrible.

00:14:26.540 Yeah.

00:14:26.860 Okay.

00:14:27.260 Well, let me drink to that.

00:14:28.220 There's no seed oil in my martini, that's for sure.

00:14:30.080 No, there might be in the peanut butter, actually.

00:14:33.840 There might be.

00:14:34.040 I don't know.

00:14:34.540 I don't know.

00:14:35.140 Okay.

00:14:35.580 Okay.

00:14:37.260 I'm taller.

00:14:41.660 But we can't stand up, too.

00:14:42.960 It's just, I'm taller?

00:14:44.040 It's, I'm taller.

00:14:44.920 So you have to say, do I agree with that statement?

00:14:47.320 Oh, do you agree with the statement that you are taller?

00:14:50.320 Yes, but who is the I?

00:14:51.720 Right, exactly.

00:14:52.420 I am the Wallace.

00:14:53.040 I'm taller, so you should answer as though I said that statement.

00:14:59.980 Correct.

00:15:00.420 Okay.

00:15:00.920 Ready, get set, go.

00:15:04.820 Oh, I think we're going to have to move that.

00:15:06.700 Really?

00:15:07.040 You think you're taller?

00:15:07.900 Oh, yeah.

00:15:08.540 But you certainly think that you're taller.

00:15:09.940 100%.

00:15:10.120 Because all guys.

00:15:11.120 Absolutely.

00:15:11.700 Every guy under six foot, at least under six foot, 0.99

00:15:15.600 they'll say, hey, how tall are you?

00:15:17.840 And you'll say, I'm 5'10.034.

00:15:22.180 That's true.

00:15:22.440 I'm practically 6'10".

00:15:22.980 It totally depends also on how you're wearing your hair.

00:15:25.700 So right now, you are wearing like a pompadour.

00:15:27.520 You've got like the John Kerry.

00:15:28.820 You've got at least four inches here.

00:15:30.280 Yes, I do.

00:15:31.100 I mean, it's like a beehive from the 1960s.

00:15:34.100 Yeah, it's true.

00:15:35.220 They're actual creatures living in there.

00:15:36.760 There are, yeah.

00:15:37.960 Sweet little groupies, like from the 1960s.

00:15:41.040 There's like a rat under there, and it's controlling how you cook.

00:15:44.000 Yeah, a little more height, please.

00:15:45.980 Give me a little, okay.

00:15:48.060 We'll never know until the game is over,

00:15:49.740 and then we'll be lying down on the floor.

00:15:51.240 We're just sloshed.

00:15:53.280 I was hoping you'd finish the sentence in that way.

00:15:56.460 Okay, here we go.

00:15:59.200 Satanism is protected under the First Amendment.

00:16:04.240 Okay, ready?

00:16:05.240 What I think you're going to say?

00:16:06.540 What you think I'm going to say,

00:16:07.780 but I'm actually somewhat unsure of what you would say.

00:16:09.680 Yeah.

00:16:11.100 Okay, ready?

00:16:12.000 Get set.

00:16:12.780 Go.

00:16:13.080 So you're right, Ben.

00:16:15.780 You are correct.

00:16:16.440 I don't think Satanism is protected under the First Amendment.

00:16:19.000 Thanks.

00:16:19.200 The First Amendment is for political speech.

00:16:20.820 Yeah.

00:16:21.160 That is what it is for.

00:16:22.020 And by the way, it's not protected on the state level.

00:16:23.580 It's protected.

00:16:24.740 First of all, I don't believe in the incorporation doctrine.

00:16:26.520 So there's that.

00:16:27.300 For people who don't.

00:16:28.340 Okay, so the First Amendment of the United States Constitution says,

00:16:30.680 Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech.

00:16:32.460 It does not say anything about states making laws abridging the freedom of speech.

00:16:35.820 Now, many states have their own provisions along these lines,

00:16:38.040 but abridgments of speech are extraordinarily common at the local and city level,

00:16:43.620 even at the state level.

00:16:44.480 For all of the American history.

00:16:45.420 Right, exactly.

00:16:46.180 The notion the founders were sitting around like,

00:16:47.800 we have to protect the Satanists.

00:16:49.100 The Satanists must be protected is absolute absurdity.

00:16:52.560 They wouldn't have considered it freedom of speech.

00:16:55.180 They would have considered it essentially the same as pornography, I think.

00:16:58.460 Yeah.

00:16:58.660 And so I would have a hard time believing that the founders were sitting around being like,

00:17:02.200 we have to protect Satanism.

00:17:03.700 Yep.

00:17:04.880 Especially not under freedom of religion, which they would have thought.

00:17:07.100 Freedom of religion encompassed known religions.

00:17:09.160 It didn't encompass things like worship of the devil.

00:17:11.500 We were just talking about John Locke, who he has this,

00:17:14.760 he gets a worse rap than he deserves because he's sometimes described as the-

00:17:19.380 He's not John Stuart Mill.

00:17:20.240 They make him out like he's John Stuart Mill.

00:17:21.240 Yes.

00:17:21.840 Yeah.

00:17:22.060 And he's really not.

00:17:23.040 And especially in the essay concerning toleration,

00:17:27.460 Locke says, we need free speech.

00:17:29.280 Everyone needs to have some free speech. 1.00

00:17:30.620 Except for those damn dirty atheists who should be totally ostracized from society. 1.00

00:17:35.640 It's kind of based, you know. 1.00

00:17:36.920 It's sort of based John Locke.

00:17:38.540 All righty.

00:17:39.100 Okay.

00:17:41.160 All right.

00:17:41.960 Okay.

00:17:43.140 I am more than 50% certain that Atlantis was a real place

00:17:47.140 and was destroyed by a natural disaster.

00:17:49.160 Oh, okay.

00:17:50.060 I know what you're going to say here.

00:17:51.160 You know what I'm going to say.

00:17:51.940 I don't know what you're going to say.

00:17:53.300 Yeah, I mean, we're just going to put this on the screen.

00:17:54.160 Yeah, that's obviously, yeah, yeah.

00:17:56.160 I'm very Atlantis-pilled.

00:17:57.400 I'm very semiotics-pilled.

00:17:58.980 Like, there is no, but...

00:18:02.920 That's correct.

00:18:04.260 I'm going to go, no.

00:18:04.840 You're anti-Atlantis.

00:18:05.700 I'm anti-Atlantis.

00:18:06.700 Are you pro-literal, the word is problematic,

00:18:11.760 but are you pro-historical flood?

00:18:15.460 Historical regional flood.

00:18:17.080 Okay.

00:18:17.380 Not historical global flood.

00:18:18.660 Okay.

00:18:19.360 But regional could encompass the entire Middle East.

00:18:22.680 It could encompass Mesopotamia, basically.

00:18:26.520 Okay, okay.

00:18:26.780 I guess.

00:18:27.580 Because there is a similar narrative in the Epic of Gilgamesh.

00:18:29.960 Yeah.

00:18:30.200 So, yes.

00:18:30.780 And other Arab countries.

00:18:31.720 Yeah, and other contemporaneous accounts.

00:18:33.720 So, yeah.

00:18:34.280 Okay.

00:18:34.820 Okay.

00:18:35.180 All right.

00:18:35.420 Fair enough.

00:18:35.780 That's fair enough.

00:18:37.020 We'll get you on Atlantis.

00:18:39.180 Thank you.

00:18:39.440 We'll leave you now for... 0.89

00:18:40.520 Oh, this is going to be an easy one for both of us.

00:18:45.420 Here we go.

00:18:45.740 You ready?

00:18:46.440 Catholic doctrine in its current form,

00:18:48.060 including papal infallibility,

00:18:49.840 mariology, and transubstantiation

00:18:51.520 can easily be found in penumbra's enumerations

00:18:54.040 in the Old and New Testaments.

00:18:57.440 Welp.

00:18:58.580 Hold on.

00:18:59.100 I want to make sure that I read every word of that properly.

00:19:03.220 In conjunction with the poem.

00:19:05.660 Yeah.

00:19:06.060 Okay.

00:19:06.260 Yeah, yeah.

00:19:06.520 Okay, ready?

00:19:07.320 Set.

00:19:07.900 Set.

00:19:08.440 Go.

00:19:08.640 Go.

00:19:11.040 Oh, Ben, you got it wrong.

00:19:12.260 Really?

00:19:12.580 Okay, so which part of it is not in the...

00:19:13.860 You got it wrong.

00:19:14.420 It's not found in penumbra's and...

00:19:16.480 I mean, it's directly in the text of the Old Testament.

00:19:20.100 Yeah, and when it's not explicitly in the text.

00:19:21.600 1,200 years before Christ.

00:19:22.780 Yes, but it is written in the type of and in the prefiguring and the prophecy of.

00:19:26.820 And then Christ in the New Testament says,

00:19:29.420 Peter, here are the keys to the kingdom of heaven.

00:19:31.500 What you bind on earth will be bound in heaven.

00:19:33.200 What you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

00:19:34.720 Where's the emanation there, buddy?

00:19:36.540 It's right there in the text.

00:19:38.480 Whatever Protestant wrote that question, Ben Davies.

00:19:42.960 Outrageous.

00:19:43.320 I like that you didn't just restrict it to the New Testament.

00:19:46.280 I like that it's not like the Old Testament also.

00:19:48.120 Yes.

00:19:48.300 In the five books of Moses.

00:19:50.120 Yeah.

00:19:50.360 Clear references to papal infallibility.

00:19:51.980 Of course.

00:19:52.160 In the five books of...

00:19:52.860 Well, papal infallibility.

00:19:53.800 All right, maybe not papal infallibility.

00:19:54.720 Well, I'm not sure.

00:19:56.800 I haven't given it enough.

00:19:58.180 You're going to have to...

00:19:58.420 I certainly would say that there are references to Christ in the five books of the Torah.

00:20:02.360 Of course you would.

00:20:02.920 But yeah, but papal infallibility...

00:20:04.600 I, by the way, would not.

00:20:05.600 Just for the record, that's the...

00:20:07.960 I know I'm surprising everyone here, but that's what the hat means.

00:20:11.440 What do you think about the Hadith?

00:20:13.720 We haven't even gotten into the Hadith or the Soros.

00:20:15.920 Okay, so before this turns into a crusade, why don't we...

00:20:19.600 Okay, this is mine.

00:20:25.440 Oh, great.

00:20:27.120 This one kind of applies to me, too, though.

00:20:28.920 We've all done things we aren't proud of, and no one should feel embarrassed for dabbling

00:20:33.780 in libertarianism in their wayward youth.

00:20:36.380 Hmm.

00:20:39.600 Um...

00:20:39.880 Uh...

00:20:41.800 No one should feel embarrassed.

00:20:45.440 That's a very...

00:20:46.280 For dabbling in libertarianism in the block statement.

00:20:48.900 I'm going to go with...

00:20:53.040 Meaning...

00:20:55.540 Meaning, I think that you would say that people should be embarrassed for...

00:20:59.380 Yes, correct.

00:21:00.200 And I think that you don't think people should be embarrassed.

00:21:03.000 So, I think that everybody should be embarrassed for being wrong.

00:21:08.020 So, the answer is, I don't think that you should be...

00:21:11.760 I think that it is semi-natural for 18 to 25-year-olds to dabble in libertarianism.

00:21:18.000 Yes.

00:21:18.600 And also, you should admit that you are wrong.

00:21:20.540 Yeah.

00:21:21.940 Those are the two things.

00:21:23.100 Okay, so I got it wrong.

00:21:24.000 Well, I'm big on embarrassment, so I like embarrassment. 0.99

00:21:26.340 Like, I think that being embarrassed for things that you've done in the past that were stupid, 0.99

00:21:29.220 I think, is generally a good thing. 0.99

00:21:30.660 Which is why, again, I have a giant list on the website of, like, all the stupid things I've ever said. 0.96

00:21:33.740 I didn't know if you were going to go softer on libertarianism. 0.91

00:21:36.800 No, I mean, I think that libertarianism is an ideology that requires lack of real, on-the-ground understanding

00:21:47.160 of how human beings work.

00:21:48.240 And when you're young, it's attractive specifically because of that.

00:21:51.420 In the same way that homo economicus is, you know... 1.00

00:21:53.440 Yes, yes.

00:21:54.240 It's like, I understand it.

00:21:55.680 I understand it as a model.

00:21:56.660 Also, it's not quite operative in the real world.

00:21:59.920 Right.

00:22:00.140 That's a great point because it's...

00:22:01.760 You know that there's that old line, if you're not a liberal when you're 17, you're...

00:22:04.660 Right.

00:22:05.440 But I do think it...

00:22:08.160 You could say it about libertarianism.

00:22:10.240 Well, libertarianism is the easy way out, right?

00:22:12.120 Libertarianism is like, you don't want to be a busybody, so you just say, hands off.

00:22:15.800 Yeah.

00:22:16.080 And all your friends are like, well, he is a libertarian, so he's leaving us alone.

00:22:19.120 And so it's very easy to be casual about that.

00:22:21.320 Yeah, yeah.

00:22:21.580 And, yeah, I mean, again, I get it.

00:22:24.320 I have a lot of friends who are libertarians.

00:22:25.660 I went through a phase.

00:22:26.600 I went through my phase.

00:22:27.120 We all did.

00:22:27.760 We all had that phase.

00:22:28.820 We all had that phase, you know?

00:22:30.200 Yeah.

00:22:30.580 I know.

00:22:30.940 I refer to it, and I did at the time, as like, it's a way to be able to say, look, there's

00:22:36.020 something wrong with the modern crazy left, and I'm kind of a conservative, but I'm not

00:22:41.560 like that...

00:22:42.160 I'm not like the bad kind of conservative.

00:22:43.540 Right.

00:22:44.100 It's more like, they won't call me judgmental if I just say, do what you want to do on

00:22:48.680 your own time kind of thing.

00:22:49.680 Okay.

00:22:49.860 Pour one out for the libertarian days.

00:22:51.800 Wow.

00:22:52.860 This is very funny.

00:22:55.460 My early career hairstyle was worse.

00:22:58.940 Hmm.

00:23:02.960 I think that's the first question that's had a picture.

00:23:05.780 It is.

00:23:06.480 It is.

00:23:06.960 Wow.

00:23:07.200 Um, okay.

00:23:09.020 Huh.

00:23:09.460 All right.

00:23:09.840 So, what I think you would say.

00:23:11.060 How you would answer.

00:23:11.760 How I would answer.

00:23:12.460 Okay.

00:23:13.080 Um, I'm going to say, okay, ready, get set, go.

00:23:18.920 I agree, and I think...

00:23:19.840 I think we can all agree that my early hairstyle was worse.

00:23:22.500 Because the thing is, in my MSNBC show, for all the criticisms that have been made of

00:23:29.260 it, and my pantsuits, and my glasses, I felt my hair was always just totally on frame.

00:23:34.460 Has your hair ever changed?

00:23:35.420 I feel like your hair has been this way since we've known each other.

00:23:37.620 Yeah.

00:23:37.780 It's been a long time.

00:23:38.500 So, I feel like...

00:23:39.520 I mean, even what's really weird...

00:23:41.320 I mean, your gender has, obviously.

00:23:42.640 But I think that you're...

00:23:43.400 What's really weird is...

00:23:44.680 So, I could say, just even had I not looked at the picture, my hairstyle has not changed

00:23:49.580 since I was six.

00:23:50.560 I've had the same haircut.

00:23:51.580 And previously, before that, my hair was just a little bit more to the side.

00:23:54.560 But it was almost the same.

00:23:55.420 Yeah.

00:23:56.680 Oddly enough, though, the same could be said of the picture.

00:24:00.320 It's always kind of...

00:24:01.960 It's all been in the same general...

00:24:03.840 Right.

00:24:04.020 No, no, again, I don't think your hair has changed all that much.

00:24:06.020 My hair has changed dramatically, because for most of my youth, I was like, how do people

00:24:09.540 get their hair to stay up like that? 0.92

00:24:10.720 And I didn't realize that people use product in their hair.

00:24:12.600 This was just not like a...

00:24:13.540 Did you not use any product?

00:24:14.880 When I was a kid?

00:24:15.460 No.

00:24:15.980 Oh, wow.

00:24:16.540 I was like 10.

00:24:17.660 Right.

00:24:18.000 No, my dad never used product.

00:24:19.720 And my dad doesn't care.

00:24:20.920 I mean, you know my dad.

00:24:21.640 So, my dad does not care about his appearance at all.

00:24:23.680 He's not a drop of vanity.

00:24:25.560 Not none, right?

00:24:26.740 Like, I have to convince him that he should wear suits that are remotely his size, kind of thing.

00:24:30.400 And so, I didn't understand that people wore product in their hair, and then when I discovered

00:24:33.760 this magic, I was like, ah, your hair doesn't have to look like sloppy Hitler hair. 0.65

00:24:39.800 Yeah, I mean, there's...

00:24:41.280 It's very edgy.

00:24:42.160 That's like punk rock era.

00:24:43.800 Yeah.

00:24:44.240 If it had been slightly more emo, it might have worked, but it just didn't work.

00:24:46.660 Instead, it was just like clean cut.

00:24:48.020 Okay.

00:24:48.160 If Nick Cannon and the documentary Hebrews to Negroes taught us anything, it's that 0.99

00:24:56.480 Jesus was black because he was Jewish. 0.76

00:25:01.340 Well, it's a conditional. 0.91

00:25:02.940 If it taught us anything.

00:25:05.640 If my grandma had wheels, she'd be white. 1.00

00:25:07.240 Right, exactly.

00:25:08.280 Because it's a conditional.

00:25:10.020 Yeah.

00:25:10.420 Yeah.

00:25:11.020 I feel like...

00:25:12.960 If?

00:25:14.480 I'm just going to go no on that, because there's literally nothing to any of that.

00:25:17.860 Jesus...

00:25:18.580 Now you're going to go to the conditional?

00:25:20.120 Okay, fine.

00:25:20.600 So if we're going to do the conditionality and we're going to use basic symbolic logic

00:25:23.960 here, then yes.

00:25:24.700 I mean, yes, that's true.

00:25:26.460 Yes.

00:25:26.680 Also, Jesus was not black, and he was Jewish, and that documentary is crazy.

00:25:33.420 It's also if...

00:25:34.380 This is, again, this is like the pedantic episode with...

00:25:38.520 Well, I mean, how is it not going to be?

00:25:40.480 How is it not going to be?

00:25:41.540 Ever thus.

00:25:41.940 Yeah, exactly.

00:25:42.440 If a Christian wrote that card, as many Christians often do, they'll say, Jesus was this, Jesus 0.98

00:25:47.720 was that.

00:25:48.280 If you are a Christian, you believe that Jesus Christ is alive, is resurrected, ascended bodily

00:25:53.660 into heaven.

00:25:54.280 So you'd use the present tense.

00:25:55.440 You would say, Jesus is Jewish.

00:25:58.580 Right.

00:25:58.740 I don't think you would say, Jesus is black, unless you watched the Nick Cannon documentary

00:26:02.440 on the Hebrews or something.

00:26:04.460 So that's just a...

00:26:04.940 Would you say, well, I mean, would you say Jesus is Jewish now?

00:26:06.880 Probably not.

00:26:07.800 He's Jewish in the sense that, like, I'm trying to think of a famous convert.

00:26:13.720 It would be...

00:26:14.280 Andrew Klavan.

00:26:15.240 Andrew Klavan?

00:26:15.680 Yeah, no, yeah, that's right.

00:26:17.160 That's a good...

00:26:17.880 Well, what a softball. 1.00

00:26:19.580 Yeah, exactly.

00:26:20.160 No, and I would say that in the sense that Andrew Klavan is like, right, I'm...

00:26:23.760 Oh, yeah, no, I'll say Andrew Klavan is...

00:26:25.200 He remains ethnically Jewish.

00:26:26.400 This is something that also...

00:26:27.180 Oh, I mean, according to us, he remains religiously Jewish, and he's got a price to pay. 1.00

00:26:29.860 So we'll get into this on another episode of Hell or Not with Andrew Klavan, yes.

00:26:34.280 I mean...

00:26:36.120 Yeah, Drew, I like your book, but you're going to hell.

00:26:38.560 Drew has made a very extreme bet here.

00:26:40.240 He was like, oh, Pascal's Wager.

00:26:45.360 This is like, well, usually there's no downside to Pascal's Wager, but there could theoretically

00:26:48.680 for Drew be a pretty significant bet.

00:26:50.040 For your people, Drew.

00:26:50.300 For my people, yeah, exactly.

00:26:51.740 Yeah, no, this was an issue...

00:26:55.640 Did you ever hear people say, well, Jesus, he could be depicted as black, or he could be

00:27:01.460 depicted as Chinese, or he could be...

00:27:03.160 Mm-hmm.

00:27:03.340 And I even see this in Catholic institutions, and it drives me crazy, because I think the 0.99

00:27:10.300 whole point is that the guy is incarnate.

00:27:12.940 Right, so not being a Christian theologian, that would seem to be the point.

00:27:17.100 Yeah.

00:27:17.180 If he takes a specific bodily form, then depicting him as a random bodily form seems to defeat

00:27:21.900 the purpose.

00:27:22.480 Yes.

00:27:23.300 Because otherwise, you may as well just not have him take bodily form.

00:27:26.220 Yes.

00:27:26.460 Then he could be everything.

00:27:27.480 It's like the incarnation is the whole thing.

00:27:28.000 Because that's what God is, so yes.

00:27:29.200 I was talking to a Catholic friend of mine, and he said, oh, I don't mind when people 1.00

00:27:31.860 depict Jesus as any race or any...

00:27:34.360 He probably looks like my Moroccan father-in-law.

00:27:37.500 Right.

00:27:37.600 He's probably a short, swarthy Jewish guy.

00:27:39.020 I mean, I think...

00:27:39.480 From the Middle East.

00:27:39.960 I think he looks like the guy on the Shroud of Turin, because I think the Shroud of Turin

00:27:43.360 is legit.

00:27:44.020 But it's like, the guy on the Shroud of Turin looks like a Jewish guy. 0.99

00:27:47.700 He doesn't look like a Native American, doesn't look like an Eskimo, doesn't look like a... 0.99

00:27:51.660 A Nordic. 0.92

00:27:52.460 Nordic.

00:27:52.880 Yeah.

00:27:53.120 Right, that's right.

00:27:53.980 He's not German. 0.99

00:27:54.600 He's not German, yeah.

00:27:56.720 There is an...

00:27:57.440 This is sort of an aside.

00:27:58.280 Now that we're going through artistic depictions of Jesus, have you ever been to Iceland?

00:28:03.300 No, I've not been to Iceland.

00:28:04.420 So in Iceland, there's this church.

00:28:06.060 I don't know what kind.

00:28:06.700 It's Lutheran or something.

00:28:07.720 And it looks like a Viking ship.

00:28:09.340 And then in the church, there is this statue of Jesus that looks like the most Viking Jesus 0.95

00:28:15.840 you've ever seen.

00:28:17.060 And then there's a prayer right behind it on the wall, and it says, we pray to Jesus that

00:28:22.520 you protect us from the chaos and death.

00:28:26.140 Okay, so if that had been the original pitch... 0.99

00:28:28.200 That kind of kicks ass. 0.97

00:28:31.440 I mean, I got to be honest. 0.99

00:28:32.280 That's kind of awesome.

00:28:33.420 Okay.

00:28:36.520 In 2023, it is somehow more of an indictment to graduate Harvard than it is to graduate

00:28:41.540 Yale.

00:28:41.920 Ooh.

00:28:44.740 Ooh.

00:28:46.060 Ooh.

00:28:46.740 Got to go through all the episodes.

00:28:48.140 Yeah, exactly.

00:28:49.960 Well, undergraduate or law school, this...

00:28:53.340 I'll just do the whole institution.

00:28:54.360 Okay.

00:28:54.780 So I'm going to...

00:28:55.260 Okay.

00:28:55.600 I'm going to say that...

00:28:57.160 It is more an indictment to graduate Harvard than Yale.

00:29:00.580 I'm...

00:29:01.000 Like, I hate to say it.

00:29:02.340 I'm actually...

00:29:02.920 I don't like taking pot shots at my alma mater, even though it's gone totally nuts, because

00:29:06.580 I just...

00:29:06.900 I find it sort of distasteful.

00:29:08.680 But the Yale Law School event, where the law school...

00:29:13.580 This is supposed to be the creme de la creme, the brightest minds.

00:29:17.540 And they screamed and threw a fit, because Kristen Wagoner from ADF came in to talk about 0.99

00:29:24.140 religious liberty, and they behaved like animal children, jumping up and down, you know, 0.79

00:29:30.460 shrieking.

00:29:31.220 There's no good answer to this question.

00:29:32.460 I think that we should both be ashamed of our alma maters, is the truth, because, like,

00:29:35.360 really, like, of course, I'm going to say Harvard, because that's the one I've been

00:29:38.680 focused on.

00:29:39.260 When I see a Harvard headline, it pops out to me, because I went to Harvard Law.

00:29:42.540 Yeah.

00:29:42.780 And for you, I think Yale pops out at you, because you went to Yale.

00:29:45.000 Yeah.

00:29:45.440 That's true.

00:29:45.680 But they're both...

00:29:46.960 It may be a selection issue here.

00:29:48.400 It could be.

00:29:48.840 Yeah, it could be.

00:29:49.400 That's true.

00:29:49.760 We can drive to poor old Eli.

00:29:52.680 They both should have gone to State University.

00:29:55.000 To Hillsdale.

00:29:55.820 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:56.620 To Ave Maria.

00:29:57.700 Now to Florida State.

00:29:58.940 Yeah, that's...

00:29:59.620 What's the one that DeSantis is just destroying?

00:30:02.200 Oh, yeah.

00:30:03.080 College of...

00:30:05.000 New College.

00:30:05.400 Is it college?

00:30:06.040 Yeah, I think it's New College.

00:30:07.700 Yeah.

00:30:08.100 That's great.

00:30:08.420 It's going to be amazing.

00:30:09.220 That's where all our kids are going. 0.64

00:30:10.440 Yeah, Florida's the best, man.

00:30:11.940 Okay.

00:30:12.820 Okay.

00:30:13.260 I'm up.

00:30:13.580 The Ark of the Covenant is likely hidden away at the Vatican or at the Church of Our Lady

00:30:20.060 Mary of Zion.

00:30:22.240 Is that the one in...

00:30:23.100 What's the one in Ethiopia?

00:30:24.980 You're asking the wrong dude.

00:30:25.820 And not simply lost somewhere in the sands of time.

00:30:30.840 Okay.

00:30:32.380 So we're talking about...

00:30:33.460 Like, where is the Ark of the Covenant now?

00:30:35.380 Yes.

00:30:36.760 So it's basically that it's at a physical place somewhere in the world and not just lost

00:30:40.660 to the sands of time.

00:30:40.920 But I think specifically they're asking about the Vatican.

00:30:43.000 The Vatican or...

00:30:43.660 If they're asking the...

00:30:44.500 Right.

00:30:44.820 Again, these are a little vaguely worded.

00:30:46.080 So do you want to just do...

00:30:46.840 We'll change it.

00:30:47.840 It's in a physical place.

00:30:48.820 It is not lost in the sands of time.

00:30:49.940 Yes.

00:30:50.420 Okay.

00:30:51.160 Ready, get set, go.

00:30:56.060 I'm kind of convinced by the Ethiopian guys.

00:30:59.200 I mean, I also...

00:30:59.860 You know, the Christians believe that Mary is the new Ark of the Covenant.

00:31:03.860 So it's...

00:31:05.700 The wording is also a little tricky.

00:31:07.480 Yeah, for you guys.

00:31:08.520 But yeah.

00:31:08.940 But in terms of the OG...

00:31:10.940 Yeah.

00:31:13.140 I'm...

00:31:13.540 It's hard for me to believe it just got totally destroyed.

00:31:16.520 I don't know.

00:31:17.280 It's like, it seems very important.

00:31:18.880 Yeah.

00:31:19.580 So there have been two major going theories in the Jewish community as to where the Ark

00:31:23.620 of the Covenant is.

00:31:24.440 One of them is that it's buried in the Temple Mount somewhere.

00:31:26.960 Yeah.

00:31:27.120 Because the Jews saw the Romans coming and they're like, we are squirreling this away and 1.00

00:31:31.900 the easiest place to put this is like somewhere underneath here, which has been a going theory

00:31:35.760 for a very long time.

00:31:36.980 And then the secondary theory is that you guys have it.

00:31:40.240 In the Vatican?

00:31:41.000 At the Vatican.

00:31:41.300 It's at the Vatican.

00:31:42.300 Really?

00:31:42.820 Yeah.

00:31:43.320 Because there have been longstanding rumors that the Vatican inherited much of the wealth

00:31:48.320 of the Roman Empire.

00:31:49.320 And so after the fall of Judea, a lot of that stuff ended up being kept by the Catholic 0.99

00:31:54.180 Church.

00:31:54.680 Wow.

00:31:55.020 And they're not big on like actually showing their archives.

00:31:58.800 Like, here's the stuff we've got down here.

00:32:00.460 Yeah.

00:32:00.900 I like to go into the Vatican.

00:32:01.700 Never not like that.

00:32:01.940 I feel like I would love to, like...

00:32:04.120 Yeah.

00:32:04.520 Because it's like you go into the museums and you're like, oh, there's that, you know,

00:32:07.800 Raphael painting.

00:32:08.880 Oh, there...

00:32:09.640 But like, I don't know, man.

00:32:10.440 You got the Ark of the Covenant.

00:32:11.420 You're probably putting that in like the special locker area.

00:32:15.400 Right.

00:32:15.660 Exactly.

00:32:16.060 Although, I mean, if somebody were to have it, the Catholics aren't a horrible bet, considering 1.00

00:32:20.080 that when you go through Rome, one of my favorite things is where it's just like

00:32:22.060 a giant Egyptian obelisk.

00:32:23.480 And then, boom, stick a cross on it. 0.99

00:32:25.260 It's like, this is ours now, bitches. 1.00

00:32:26.940 Yeah. 0.99

00:32:27.100 And you're like, this is always for us.

00:32:29.420 This was ours.

00:32:32.220 Literally, you're just walking through all of this giant Egyptian obelisk.

00:32:35.120 Yeah.

00:32:35.300 Boop.

00:32:35.740 And you're like, oh, now it's Christian. 0.99

00:32:37.440 Okay.

00:32:38.000 So, it wouldn't be super out of character.

00:32:40.820 Wow.

00:32:41.180 I've got to go looking.

00:32:42.600 Next time I'm in...

00:32:43.860 Next time you're with your papal friends.

00:32:45.880 Yeah.

00:32:47.140 Come on.

00:32:47.740 Yeah.

00:32:48.040 Come on.

00:32:48.360 I'm cool.

00:32:48.880 Tell me what the room is.

00:32:49.860 Exactly.

00:32:50.420 Where's the secret room?

00:32:51.240 Okay.

00:32:51.320 The Nephilim, I don't know how you pronounce it in English, Nephilim, of the Old Testament.

00:32:59.160 I was going to say Nephilim, but I kind of like Nephilim.

00:33:01.520 Nephilim, I don't know.

00:33:02.420 Nephilim, I hardly know it.

00:33:02.980 Yeah, exactly.

00:33:04.480 The Nephilim of the Old Testament were probably also what the Greeks called demigods or superhuman

00:33:08.620 heroes, such as Achilles, Hercules, or Perseus.

00:33:11.440 Hmm.

00:33:13.200 I've never thought about that.

00:33:13.560 I have to try and figure out what you're going to say to this.

00:33:16.720 Okay.

00:33:17.240 One, two, three, go.

00:33:21.960 Like, maybe.

00:33:23.260 I don't know.

00:33:23.600 Okay.

00:33:24.080 Move on maybe on that.

00:33:24.980 Okay.

00:33:25.080 I'm not saying there was this specific Nephilim that was Achilles, but I'm just...

00:33:29.920 No, no, no.

00:33:30.420 They're like quasi-superhero, mythical creature.

00:33:33.440 Yeah.

00:33:33.940 Yeah.

00:33:34.160 I mean, even to the point that I'm enough into the relationship between symbols and the visible,

00:33:43.300 tangible world, that I...

00:33:45.060 If you told me that Hercules was a guy, or like a kind of a guy, that was walking around

00:33:51.020 and like there was this footprint over there, I could believe that.

00:33:55.380 Okay.

00:33:56.020 So, yeah.

00:33:56.800 I go no on this.

00:33:58.520 Obviously, I'm more of a rationalist.

00:34:00.140 And so my, yeah, I think that the passage in Genesis where it talks about the Nephilim

00:34:05.840 and how they're marrying the children of men and all of this kind of stuff, that that's

00:34:11.100 actually making fun of prior idolatrous cultures because the way that, not to get into an abstruse

00:34:17.980 biblical discussion here, but here we go.

00:34:19.860 But not to do that.

00:34:20.420 Not to, right.

00:34:21.800 Quick, here's the quick rundown.

00:34:23.280 Quick rundown is when the Bible says that man is made in God's image, that is a direct 0.58

00:34:27.280 rebuttal to many of the ancient texts which say the king is made in God's image.

00:34:30.860 So the commoners are not.

00:34:31.780 Only the king is.

00:34:32.520 The commoners are nothing. 0.99

00:34:33.680 So the Bible is making fun of the idea that the sons of the B'nai Elohim, the sons of

00:34:39.400 the gods or the Nephilim, that these people are like greater than everybody else.

00:34:44.040 Nafal literally means fallen.

00:34:45.480 That's what it means in Hebrew.

00:34:47.300 And so the idea that there's like this higher cast of people who mingle with the commoners

00:34:51.720 so that it's basically attempting to rip on the idea of class and social distinction

00:34:57.240 in the eyes of God.

00:34:58.720 That's very interesting.

00:34:59.980 Do you think there was, like to go very rationalist or kind of modern anthropologists, do you think

00:35:08.500 it could be referring to like Neanderthals or anything like that?

00:35:13.620 I doubt it because, again, it was written presumably like 3,000 years ago, so the knowledge of Neanderthals 0.95

00:35:20.020 would have been pretty limited.

00:35:21.080 But there were these moments, like Thomas Aquinas does this, where he's, or I think

00:35:24.860 it was, maybe it's Augustine, but it's, I forget, one of those guys.

00:35:29.360 Yeah, your reference is 50-50 shot.

00:35:31.320 That's right, yeah, yeah.

00:35:32.020 I think it was Augustine, is walking on the beach and he says, I found a molar that was

00:35:38.920 40 times the size of human molars.

00:35:42.400 And so people think, did he find a fossil?

00:35:44.500 Did he find it was a tooth of a giant?

00:35:46.080 Was it some kind of weird ape-like pre?

00:35:49.140 I don't know, I just, I wonder what the historical memory was.

00:35:51.320 Was he a dentist?

00:35:52.140 Was he a dentist?

00:35:53.220 Yeah, I don't know.

00:35:54.400 That's a very interesting take on the Nephilim, though.

00:35:56.260 I kind of like that.

00:35:57.420 Unfortunately, science has become more of a religion than a tool of systematic study of

00:36:01.200 the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world.

00:36:05.000 Okay.

00:36:05.520 One, two, three.

00:36:06.380 Indeed.

00:36:08.740 Duh.

00:36:09.660 That's an easy one.

00:36:10.400 Duh.

00:36:10.720 Yeah, I'm not even going to drink for that one.

00:36:12.280 Yeah, I know.

00:36:12.740 I mean, I will.

00:36:13.180 You deserve a drink.

00:36:14.220 Okay.

00:36:15.280 We're getting close to the end of this pile.

00:36:16.840 Uh-oh.

00:36:17.240 It gives an endless pile of questions here.

00:36:18.840 All right.

00:36:19.800 The war in Ukraine is more likely to end in some form of nuclear strike than with Russia

00:36:25.880 conceding all land back to Ukraine.

00:36:30.380 Wow.

00:36:30.800 Those are the two binary options?

00:36:32.160 Yeah.

00:36:32.360 And does that include Crimea, by the way, is the other question?

00:36:34.300 Okay, so.

00:36:34.800 Let's say it does not include Crimea.

00:36:36.140 Crimea is gone.

00:36:36.880 Okay, Crimea is gone.

00:36:39.140 It's more likely to end in a nuclear strike.

00:36:41.480 Okay.

00:36:42.140 One, two, three.

00:36:43.520 See?

00:36:45.060 Yeah.

00:36:45.900 So, yeah.

00:36:48.380 This is how I know that you're not a complete Russia show.

00:36:51.320 Because, like.

00:36:52.800 Even when.

00:36:53.740 Wait, you're saying that I am not totally carrying water for Tsar Putin.

00:36:57.380 Right, exactly.

00:36:58.340 This glorious crusade.

00:36:59.340 No, whenever people say, like, this thing is definitely going to nuclear strike, it's

00:37:03.040 like, um.

00:37:04.820 No.

00:37:05.460 It is.

00:37:06.080 It is.

00:37:06.300 It is.

00:37:06.340 Almost certainly not.

00:37:06.800 Almost certainly it will not.

00:37:07.800 Correct.

00:37:08.340 Okay.

00:37:08.460 And the other thing is, like, he.

00:37:10.760 Putin's a shrewd guy.

00:37:11.680 He's a very shrewd guy.

00:37:12.660 He's fair.

00:37:13.100 But, like.

00:37:14.760 He's not completely insane.

00:37:16.860 Right.

00:37:17.280 Right.

00:37:17.800 And that would be a completely insane thing to do.

00:37:20.900 It would be nuts.

00:37:21.800 Because he would not know what comes next.

00:37:23.560 And we would not know what comes next.

00:37:25.000 Yeah.

00:37:25.120 But it would not be good for him.

00:37:26.280 It would definitely not be good for him.

00:37:27.820 Like, that is the one thing that is for sure.

00:37:29.100 It would not be amazing for him.

00:37:30.060 The thing that comes next for him is the end of The Sopranos, where the screen goes.

00:37:33.740 That's correct.

00:37:35.220 Okay.

00:37:37.780 Oh, no.

00:37:39.240 Wow.

00:37:40.120 Okay.

00:37:40.740 Yeah, this one.

00:37:42.340 Your producers are just.

00:37:43.540 Whoever created this is just determined to get us banned from all social media.

00:37:47.640 Andrew Tate's only real crime was trolling a mentally ill young Swedish woman on Twitter.

00:37:53.100 Oh, no. 0.96

00:37:55.020 Wow.

00:37:56.360 Wow.

00:37:56.940 So, this one goes behind the paywall for subscribers, is what I'm sensing right here.

00:38:00.400 I don't.

00:38:00.880 Who would ever use such a phrase?

00:38:02.180 I do not know.

00:38:03.260 What cruel and inhumane man would ever say such a thing?

00:38:07.340 At least we're not on TV right now.

00:38:08.620 Yeah, that's true.

00:38:09.860 We're not on cable TV.

00:38:10.640 Okay.

00:38:12.800 All right.

00:38:13.200 Okay.

00:38:13.460 I'm going to.

00:38:13.880 One, two, three.

00:38:14.840 I'm going to let Michael off the hook on this one.

00:38:18.120 Yeah.

00:38:20.420 I would also say, I mean, look, we don't know what Tate did or whatever, but he has bragged

00:38:24.320 about being a pimp fraudster.

00:38:26.860 Right. 0.52

00:38:27.300 Which is.

00:38:28.000 Like, usually a good indicator that you're a pimp fraudster is when you brag about it a

00:38:31.080 lot.

00:38:31.280 Like, that's. 0.95

00:38:32.580 Like, by the way, are you more of a fraudster if you brag about being a pimp fraudster or 0.71

00:38:36.400 if you brag about being a pimp fraudster and you are not a pimp fraudster, which makes 0.95

00:38:40.100 you more of a fraud. 0.83

00:38:40.860 I don't actually know the answer.

00:38:41.860 Yeah, if his argument now is just like, no, I was totally lying about that.

00:38:46.000 Right.

00:38:46.660 It's like knights and knaves.

00:38:47.940 Like, are you.

00:38:48.700 I don't know the answer to this question.

00:38:50.600 Yeah.

00:38:51.020 Well, either way, it was a great martini.

00:38:54.520 Ben, to your health.

00:38:55.480 Do we know who won?

00:38:57.560 Of course.

00:38:58.080 I don't think there was a winner.

00:38:58.680 I mean, we have.

00:38:59.060 Of course we don't.

00:38:59.640 No.

00:38:59.780 But we both won.

00:39:01.120 Wait, I think the audience won.

00:39:02.400 I think the audience really won.

00:39:04.100 And the YouTube censors will now be able to demonetize all daily content for the rest of

00:39:07.920 history.

00:39:08.620 They won, too.

00:39:09.500 Before that happens, guys, buy your game to take home, yes or no, dailywire.com slash shop.

00:39:15.860 We'll see you next time.

00:39:16.840 We'll see you next time.

00:39:23.260 Bye.

00:39:23.480 Bye.

The Michael Knowles Show - February 25, 2023

YES or NO with Ben Shapiro ｜ Real Answers and Real Drinks

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