YES or NO with Ben Shapiro ｜ Real Answers and Real Drinks
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Ben Shapiro, host of the podcast Yes or No, sits down with his best friend and co-host, Jillian Fauci, to discuss how they met, how they first met, and what it's like to be married to someone who's a doctor.
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Currently, half the country has no accountability or ability to reason.
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And it's just a coincidence, half of the people are women.
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Welcome back to another exciting episode, perhaps the most exciting episode of Yes or No.
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And then you can feel like I do, playing this game with the one and only Benjamin Shapiro.
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I don't know half of what goes on at this company.
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Naturally, I thought you were plotting a game like Clue where I die.
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First thing I've been excited about at this company for...
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When it's a woman on the show, the lady goes first.
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When we first met, I just knew that we would spend the majority of our adult working lives together.
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So you have to answer how you think I would answer.
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I mean, I figured that's how you would answer that.
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But I think that that's because you're a very optimistic and personality-mirroring fellow.
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And so literally every person that you meet, you think that's the case.
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Like, we'll be at an event, it'll be 10,000 people who'll be like, I'm going to spend the rest of my life with this guy.
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Because you said, this is a world with a good and loving God governing everything.
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And therefore, I get to spend my working life with Michael.
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Actually, I would have assumed it just because Jeremy is the one, I believe, who introduced us.
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And I was like, God, the chance is that I'm not working with this guy.
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Well, now, we're only supposed to drink if we get it wrong.
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I'm supposed to answer this how I think you will answer this?
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Well, and obviously, you would say yes, because you know the etymology of the word doctor.
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Can she diagnose me with anything other than like a missing literature degree or something?
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You're a teacher to millions of people on your show.
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Marijuana was the gateway drug to the fall of the West.
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I have a kind of edgy answer here, but I'm not going to say it.
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I have to say what Michael would say about this.
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I was thinking more Albigensianism was the gateway drug to the fall of the West.
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No, I don't think that marijuana was the gateway drug to the fall of the West.
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I think it was more symptomatic than causative.
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If we're speaking only about drugs, then I think that's fair.
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Those were the only drugs I was really interested in trying.
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Never tried anything harsher than the Peruvian parsley.
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But those interested me because they said, you see all these things and dimensions.
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Well, you know, marijuana was a drug that sort of was from the ground up in terms of usage.
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And LSD was more like the intellectual elites are using LSD and therefore all drug use is okay.
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I really liked McCartney had this great reaction to LSD, which is I guess John wanted him to do it.
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And then McCartney, he said, John said, you know, it changes your brain.
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And McCartney said, well, you know, I kind of like my brain.
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And I thought, I had that thought too as a kid.
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I'm not going to be, I'm like lifting big rocks in my life.
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So if my brain gets broken, I'm just completely screwed.
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Although I do remember that time when you were eating nothing but meat in the L.A. office
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in a desperate attempt to bulk up for a movie we never made.
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So while you weren't an Adonis, I do remember you.
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And all that happened to you is you got slightly fatter.
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I looked at you and I was like, aren't you supposed to be like.
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So I followed a regimen for this movie that we never made.
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I would eat an extra large pizza almost every day.
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But then I made one mistake, which is, you know, you're supposed to bulk, bulk, bulk.
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But I'm glad I at least fundamentally changed my body chemistry for a movie that never happened.
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Currently, half the country has no accountability or ability to reason.
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It's a trap mainly because I have to answer for you, right?
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Currently, half the country has no accountability or ability to reason.
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And it's just a coincidence that half of them are women.
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I think Knowles is more of a sexist than he thinks I am.
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Oh, I was just going to say no because it's not a coincidence.
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you have to distinguish married women from single women.
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Well, you mean in the sense that when a man and a woman come together,
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And so, therefore, one does not distinguish between qualities that would be attributed
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All I'm saying is that married women vote in more family-oriented and conservative ways
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But you went directly to the husband is the master of his household and the owner of his
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There's been this debate that's cropped up in some recent years, which is, should we repeal
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And I said, you know, the argument that Ann is making is if we repeal the 19th Amendment,
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But the country overall would vote in a better way.
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Statistically, because the women vote for Dems.
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Well, what if we go back to a time when it's only families are voting?
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But then I thought, well, that totally screws us over because then all the single people
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outnumber us and then they're going to win all the elections.
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What if it's only single women lose the right to vote and married women get?
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I'm just going to move on to the next question here, because it's just a trap, dude.
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The acceptance of sex robots and dolls is a necessary step toward limiting sex work
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That is kind of a you made me think about it too long.
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Like if I just started to think about it, I've been like naturally there.
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I think you're going to make the affirmative case that that is that in fact it is necessary.
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The reason I say no, even even though, you know, the sex bots like Austin Powers,
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The reason I say no is because the argument presumes that human beings are like steam engines.
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But that's not actually how vice and virtue work.
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Vice and virtue work where you do more vice and then you want to do more like you do drugs.
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So if you give a bunch of weird sex people all these dolls to do whatever they want with,
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I think it's going to make them just go further into their depravity.
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So the counterargument is that the amount of sexually aggressive behavior by single men
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has gone down over the course of time to a certain extent because they are locked up in their rooms with their computers.
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I mean, I think that you can make that argument out.
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And I think the solution to all of it is virtue and marriage.
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But you know, St. Thomas and I guess St. Augustine make a similar argument about prostitution
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where they say, it's sometimes misinterpreted that they're saying we should have legalized
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prostitution, which is not what they're saying.
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But the argument against outlawing prostitution is that if you don't have some outlet for these
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lustful men, then society will just be convulsed by lust.
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By the way, I think that this is the direction that society will move almost inevitably anyway,
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because I think that we're like five seconds away from the left basically deciding that
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I think the left's going to go for that in a matter of about 27 seconds ago.
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I wish everyone would just shut up about seed oils.
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I'm, this is a kind of a somewhat recent conversion for me.
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I've never bought into any diet fad or any of these hippie.
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They are the cause of every problem in the world.
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Now, your wife is a doctor, so obviously you know that.
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but then I dismissed it like every other stupid idea that I ever heard.
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from things that, that don't produce that product naturally.
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As it turns out, none of these things produce milk.
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that is made from a thing that doesn't produce milk, I'm suspicious.
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If it doesn't have udders, I don't want it to be.
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Or, do you know what, do you know what canola oil actually is?
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and when you want to stop using them, you can't.
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I, I looked at one product in the grocery store.
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Turning them into, like, crispy little nuggets on their,
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and they had a thing of some seed oil nonsense,
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There's no seed oil in my martini, that's for sure.
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No, there might be in the peanut butter, actually.
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So you have to say, do I agree with that statement?
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Oh, do you agree with the statement that you are taller?
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I'm taller, so you should answer as though I said that statement.
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Every guy under six foot, at least under six foot,
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It totally depends also on how you're wearing your hair.
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So right now, you are wearing like a pompadour.
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There's like a rat under there, and it's controlling how you cook.
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I was hoping you'd finish the sentence in that way.
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Satanism is protected under the First Amendment.
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but I'm actually somewhat unsure of what you would say.
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I don't think Satanism is protected under the First Amendment.
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And by the way, it's not protected on the state level.
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First of all, I don't believe in the incorporation doctrine.
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Okay, so the First Amendment of the United States Constitution says,
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Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech.
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It does not say anything about states making laws abridging the freedom of speech.
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Now, many states have their own provisions along these lines,
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but abridgments of speech are extraordinarily common at the local and city level,
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The notion the founders were sitting around like,
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The Satanists must be protected is absolute absurdity.
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They wouldn't have considered it freedom of speech.
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They would have considered it essentially the same as pornography, I think.
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And so I would have a hard time believing that the founders were sitting around being like,
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Especially not under freedom of religion, which they would have thought.
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Freedom of religion encompassed known religions.
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It didn't encompass things like worship of the devil.
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We were just talking about John Locke, who he has this,
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he gets a worse rap than he deserves because he's sometimes described as the-
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And especially in the essay concerning toleration,
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Except for those damn dirty atheists who should be totally ostracized from society.
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I am more than 50% certain that Atlantis was a real place
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Yeah, I mean, we're just going to put this on the screen.
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But regional could encompass the entire Middle East.
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Because there is a similar narrative in the Epic of Gilgamesh.
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Oh, this is going to be an easy one for both of us.
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I want to make sure that I read every word of that properly.
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I mean, it's directly in the text of the Old Testament.
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Yeah, and when it's not explicitly in the text.
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Yes, but it is written in the type of and in the prefiguring and the prophecy of.
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Peter, here are the keys to the kingdom of heaven.
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What you bind on earth will be bound in heaven.
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What you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
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Whatever Protestant wrote that question, Ben Davies.
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I like that you didn't just restrict it to the New Testament.
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I like that it's not like the Old Testament also.
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I certainly would say that there are references to Christ in the five books of the Torah.
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I know I'm surprising everyone here, but that's what the hat means.
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We haven't even gotten into the Hadith or the Soros.
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Okay, so before this turns into a crusade, why don't we...
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We've all done things we aren't proud of, and no one should feel embarrassed for dabbling
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For dabbling in libertarianism in the block statement.
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Meaning, I think that you would say that people should be embarrassed for...
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And I think that you don't think people should be embarrassed.
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So, I think that everybody should be embarrassed for being wrong.
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So, the answer is, I don't think that you should be...
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I think that it is semi-natural for 18 to 25-year-olds to dabble in libertarianism.
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Well, I'm big on embarrassment, so I like embarrassment.
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Like, I think that being embarrassed for things that you've done in the past that were stupid,
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Which is why, again, I have a giant list on the website of, like, all the stupid things I've ever said.
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I didn't know if you were going to go softer on libertarianism.
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No, I mean, I think that libertarianism is an ideology that requires lack of real, on-the-ground understanding
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And when you're young, it's attractive specifically because of that.
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In the same way that homo economicus is, you know...
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Also, it's not quite operative in the real world.
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You know that there's that old line, if you're not a liberal when you're 17, you're...
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Well, libertarianism is the easy way out, right?
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Libertarianism is like, you don't want to be a busybody, so you just say, hands off.
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And all your friends are like, well, he is a libertarian, so he's leaving us alone.
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I refer to it, and I did at the time, as like, it's a way to be able to say, look, there's
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something wrong with the modern crazy left, and I'm kind of a conservative, but I'm not
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It's more like, they won't call me judgmental if I just say, do what you want to do on
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I think that's the first question that's had a picture.
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Um, I'm going to say, okay, ready, get set, go.
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I think we can all agree that my early hairstyle was worse.
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Because the thing is, in my MSNBC show, for all the criticisms that have been made of
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it, and my pantsuits, and my glasses, I felt my hair was always just totally on frame.
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I feel like your hair has been this way since we've known each other.
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So, I could say, just even had I not looked at the picture, my hairstyle has not changed
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And previously, before that, my hair was just a little bit more to the side.
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Oddly enough, though, the same could be said of the picture.
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No, no, again, I don't think your hair has changed all that much.
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My hair has changed dramatically, because for most of my youth, I was like, how do people
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And I didn't realize that people use product in their hair.
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So, my dad does not care about his appearance at all.
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Like, I have to convince him that he should wear suits that are remotely his size, kind of thing.
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And so, I didn't understand that people wore product in their hair, and then when I discovered
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this magic, I was like, ah, your hair doesn't have to look like sloppy Hitler hair.
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If it had been slightly more emo, it might have worked, but it just didn't work.
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If Nick Cannon and the documentary Hebrews to Negroes taught us anything, it's that
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I'm just going to go no on that, because there's literally nothing to any of that.
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So if we're going to do the conditionality and we're going to use basic symbolic logic
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Also, Jesus was not black, and he was Jewish, and that documentary is crazy.
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This is, again, this is like the pedantic episode with...
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If a Christian wrote that card, as many Christians often do, they'll say, Jesus was this, Jesus
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If you are a Christian, you believe that Jesus Christ is alive, is resurrected, ascended bodily
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I don't think you would say, Jesus is black, unless you watched the Nick Cannon documentary
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Would you say, well, I mean, would you say Jesus is Jewish now?
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He's Jewish in the sense that, like, I'm trying to think of a famous convert.
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No, and I would say that in the sense that Andrew Klavan is like, right, I'm...
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Oh, I mean, according to us, he remains religiously Jewish, and he's got a price to pay.
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So we'll get into this on another episode of Hell or Not with Andrew Klavan, yes.
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Yeah, Drew, I like your book, but you're going to hell.
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This is like, well, usually there's no downside to Pascal's Wager, but there could theoretically
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Did you ever hear people say, well, Jesus, he could be depicted as black, or he could be
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And I even see this in Catholic institutions, and it drives me crazy, because I think the
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Right, so not being a Christian theologian, that would seem to be the point.
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If he takes a specific bodily form, then depicting him as a random bodily form seems to defeat
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Because otherwise, you may as well just not have him take bodily form.
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I was talking to a Catholic friend of mine, and he said, oh, I don't mind when people
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He probably looks like my Moroccan father-in-law.
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I think he looks like the guy on the Shroud of Turin, because I think the Shroud of Turin
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But it's like, the guy on the Shroud of Turin looks like a Jewish guy.
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He doesn't look like a Native American, doesn't look like an Eskimo, doesn't look like a...
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Now that we're going through artistic depictions of Jesus, have you ever been to Iceland?
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And then in the church, there is this statue of Jesus that looks like the most Viking Jesus
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And then there's a prayer right behind it on the wall, and it says, we pray to Jesus that
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Okay, so if that had been the original pitch...
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In 2023, it is somehow more of an indictment to graduate Harvard than it is to graduate
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It is more an indictment to graduate Harvard than Yale.
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I don't like taking pot shots at my alma mater, even though it's gone totally nuts, because
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But the Yale Law School event, where the law school...
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This is supposed to be the creme de la creme, the brightest minds.
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And they screamed and threw a fit, because Kristen Wagoner from ADF came in to talk about
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religious liberty, and they behaved like animal children, jumping up and down, you know,
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I think that we should both be ashamed of our alma maters, is the truth, because, like,
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really, like, of course, I'm going to say Harvard, because that's the one I've been
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When I see a Harvard headline, it pops out to me, because I went to Harvard Law.
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And for you, I think Yale pops out at you, because you went to Yale.
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They both should have gone to State University.
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What's the one that DeSantis is just destroying?
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The Ark of the Covenant is likely hidden away at the Vatican or at the Church of Our Lady
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And not simply lost somewhere in the sands of time.
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So it's basically that it's at a physical place somewhere in the world and not just lost
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But I think specifically they're asking about the Vatican.
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You know, the Christians believe that Mary is the new Ark of the Covenant.
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It's hard for me to believe it just got totally destroyed.
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So there have been two major going theories in the Jewish community as to where the Ark
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One of them is that it's buried in the Temple Mount somewhere.
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Because the Jews saw the Romans coming and they're like, we are squirreling this away and
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the easiest place to put this is like somewhere underneath here, which has been a going theory
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And then the secondary theory is that you guys have it.
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Because there have been longstanding rumors that the Vatican inherited much of the wealth
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And so after the fall of Judea, a lot of that stuff ended up being kept by the Catholic
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And they're not big on like actually showing their archives.
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Because it's like you go into the museums and you're like, oh, there's that, you know,
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You're probably putting that in like the special locker area.
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Although, I mean, if somebody were to have it, the Catholics aren't a horrible bet, considering
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that when you go through Rome, one of my favorite things is where it's just like
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Literally, you're just walking through all of this giant Egyptian obelisk.
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The Nephilim, I don't know how you pronounce it in English, Nephilim, of the Old Testament.
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I was going to say Nephilim, but I kind of like Nephilim.
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The Nephilim of the Old Testament were probably also what the Greeks called demigods or superhuman
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heroes, such as Achilles, Hercules, or Perseus.
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I have to try and figure out what you're going to say to this.
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I'm not saying there was this specific Nephilim that was Achilles, but I'm just...
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They're like quasi-superhero, mythical creature.
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I mean, even to the point that I'm enough into the relationship between symbols and the visible,
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If you told me that Hercules was a guy, or like a kind of a guy, that was walking around
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and like there was this footprint over there, I could believe that.
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And so my, yeah, I think that the passage in Genesis where it talks about the Nephilim
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and how they're marrying the children of men and all of this kind of stuff, that that's
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actually making fun of prior idolatrous cultures because the way that, not to get into an abstruse
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Quick rundown is when the Bible says that man is made in God's image, that is a direct
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rebuttal to many of the ancient texts which say the king is made in God's image.
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So the Bible is making fun of the idea that the sons of the B'nai Elohim, the sons of
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the gods or the Nephilim, that these people are like greater than everybody else.
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And so the idea that there's like this higher cast of people who mingle with the commoners
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so that it's basically attempting to rip on the idea of class and social distinction
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Do you think there was, like to go very rationalist or kind of modern anthropologists, do you think
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it could be referring to like Neanderthals or anything like that?
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I doubt it because, again, it was written presumably like 3,000 years ago, so the knowledge of Neanderthals
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But there were these moments, like Thomas Aquinas does this, where he's, or I think
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it was, maybe it's Augustine, but it's, I forget, one of those guys.
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I think it was Augustine, is walking on the beach and he says, I found a molar that was
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I don't know, I just, I wonder what the historical memory was.
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That's a very interesting take on the Nephilim, though.
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Unfortunately, science has become more of a religion than a tool of systematic study of
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the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world.
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Yeah, I'm not even going to drink for that one.
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The war in Ukraine is more likely to end in some form of nuclear strike than with Russia
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And does that include Crimea, by the way, is the other question?
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This is how I know that you're not a complete Russia show.
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Wait, you're saying that I am not totally carrying water for Tsar Putin.
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No, whenever people say, like, this thing is definitely going to nuclear strike, it's
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And that would be a completely insane thing to do.
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The thing that comes next for him is the end of The Sopranos, where the screen goes.
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Whoever created this is just determined to get us banned from all social media.
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Andrew Tate's only real crime was trolling a mentally ill young Swedish woman on Twitter.
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So, this one goes behind the paywall for subscribers, is what I'm sensing right here.
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What cruel and inhumane man would ever say such a thing?
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I'm going to let Michael off the hook on this one.
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I would also say, I mean, look, we don't know what Tate did or whatever, but he has bragged
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Like, usually a good indicator that you're a pimp fraudster is when you brag about it a
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Like, by the way, are you more of a fraudster if you brag about being a pimp fraudster or
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if you brag about being a pimp fraudster and you are not a pimp fraudster, which makes
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Yeah, if his argument now is just like, no, I was totally lying about that.
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