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00:00:30.200 I admit, I do sympathize a little with Dylan Mulvaney because I too was once an impressionable theater kid.

00:00:35.760 And who knows what could have happened to me if I was cast in Rent on Broadway in My Wayward Youth.

00:00:40.220 I sympathize with Dylan Mulvaney because I was a theater kid.

00:00:42.240 Let's answer and I'll count them.

00:00:43.680 One, two, three.

00:00:44.940 This is the game that you have all been waiting for, that I have all been waiting for.

00:01:07.000 A game featuring one of my absolute favorite people in the entire Daily Wire universe.

00:01:14.720 That would be my friend, Brett Cooper.

00:01:16.880 Before we get into it, though, have you ever wondered what it's like to trade places with me?

00:01:21.000 You probably are now.

00:01:21.980 I'm sure you would love to sit opposite Brett Cooper.

00:01:24.060 Well, you can.

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00:01:48.480 The very greatest party game on planet Earth.

00:01:54.440 And I feel this is the very greatest episode we've ever done because, Brett, you're here.

00:01:58.280 I'm so excited.

00:01:59.600 We've been trying to do this.

00:02:00.920 We obviously could not play this game before you were 21.

00:02:03.620 Exactly.

00:02:04.080 So now you're going to have to drink for the two of us because, you know, as a mackerel-snapping papist, one gives up something for Lent. 0.78

00:02:11.260 I've never done it before in my whole life, but this year I'm giving up booze.

00:02:13.960 So I'll be drinking what looks like a Cosmo.

00:02:15.820 It is, in fact, a strawberry-flavored seltzer something.

00:02:19.000 I was going to say, is this like pink lemonade?

00:02:20.580 Mm-hmm.

00:02:22.180 Yeah, it's a strawberry lemonade.

00:02:23.240 And you are drinking a room-temperature gin.

00:02:25.700 Is that right?

00:02:26.380 No, no.

00:02:26.900 I'm drinking a tequila soda lime, which is my drink of choice.

00:02:30.800 Although, has this been mixed yet?

00:02:32.520 Can I do this?

00:02:33.440 Well, I think you just did.

00:02:34.180 I think I did.

00:02:35.500 Wait, can I be really gross?

00:02:37.300 You're just digging it out?

00:02:39.440 There you are.

00:02:40.500 There we go.

00:02:41.300 You know what?

00:02:41.660 It just can't be.

00:02:43.420 That's the stuff.

00:02:44.880 Ladies first.

00:02:46.040 Okay.

00:02:46.240 Let's begin.

00:02:46.940 All right.

00:02:47.820 There's alcohol on my hands now.

00:02:48.960 All right.

00:02:54.000 On average, a sober female driver is more dangerous than a drunk male driver. 1.00

00:03:00.300 So you figure out what I'm going to say, and I'll figure it out.

00:03:04.580 Sober female driver is more dangerous than that. 1.00

00:03:06.380 One, two, three.

00:03:13.000 I'm afraid you got that wrong, Brett.

00:03:16.000 It's obviously.

00:03:17.700 This is not just my opinion, by the way.

00:03:19.640 Sweet little Elisa now.

00:03:20.820 If we're calling an Uber or something, and a female driver pops up, she will be inclined 1.00

00:03:27.080 to cancel because they miss the exit.

00:03:31.240 Okay.

00:03:31.920 Chatting over the 90s.

00:03:32.720 I mean, it's very, like, the stereotype about female drivers, I get it. 0.98

00:03:37.180 But also, you have to bring up insurance.

00:03:39.840 Like, why is insurance higher for, like, teen boys versus teen girls?

00:03:43.800 But I guess maybe as they age, with age, we get a little crazier.

00:03:48.120 Do we just drink whenever, basically?

00:03:50.620 That's how I choose.

00:03:51.580 Okay.

00:03:52.100 Mm-hmm.

00:03:53.500 That's true.

00:03:54.360 It's also because our society is very anti-patriarchal.

00:03:57.880 Yep.

00:03:58.620 You know, punishes the boys.

00:03:59.800 But, yes, while it is true that maybe 21-year-old men are a little more rambunctious than us.

00:04:05.860 Yes.

00:04:06.540 In the long run.

00:04:08.220 When you hit 40 as a lady, it just gets, yeah. 1.00

00:04:10.880 The thing about stereotypes I've figured out, Brett.

00:04:13.340 Yep.

00:04:14.060 They're all completely true.

00:04:15.260 That makes sense.

00:04:16.440 All right, shall we?

00:04:17.080 Now I go.

00:04:17.720 Do we go?

00:04:18.060 Okay.

00:04:19.380 If women can wear makeup in their dating profiles, men should be able to lie about their height and income. 1.00

00:04:27.360 Okay.

00:04:28.020 If women can wear makeup, men should be able to lie about their height and income. 1.00

00:04:39.360 Wrong again.

00:04:40.080 What?

00:04:40.540 No, they shouldn't.

00:04:41.380 Men shouldn't.

00:04:41.760 You should never lie.

00:04:42.480 I don't think that makeup.

00:04:44.600 I mean, I know that you don't wear makeup.

00:04:46.120 You sort of wake up naturally.

00:04:48.060 But some women do wear makeup. 1.00

00:04:49.640 Yeah.

00:04:49.780 And it's not a lie to wear makeup.

00:04:51.620 That's true.

00:04:51.880 It accentuates.

00:04:53.300 I would say maybe.

00:04:53.980 An underlying beauty.

00:04:54.760 I think that some women take it so far. 1.00

00:04:57.640 Maybe I was answering in the context of how I see makeup, where it's, I don't wear a lot unless I'm on camera.

00:05:04.940 Right.

00:05:05.160 But even that is like, I look the same, guys.

00:05:07.520 But there are some people, like, they look totally different.

00:05:10.160 You can completely, like, the way that people contour their face, like, you look like a totally different person.

00:05:15.740 With that, I'm like, okay, that's, like, disingenuous.

00:05:17.740 I always find women who wear a lot of makeup. 1.00

00:05:20.800 Yeah.

00:05:20.960 I find it doesn't make them look better.

00:05:23.240 Even if they're a kind of plain Jane looking.

00:05:25.200 Yeah.

00:05:25.480 Because I like, I don't know, I am attracted to reality.

00:05:29.500 I like reality more than fantasy.

00:05:32.540 And so if I see a nice girl who is, you know, just confident and naturally beautiful in whatever way she is, I'm going to find that much more attractive than some person who's, you know, had plastic surgery to look like a Kardashian or something.

00:05:47.320 But it's interesting how many women go to such lengths to completely, like, change everything about themselves. 1.00

00:05:55.520 Yeah.

00:05:55.640 Whether it be, like, with the plastic surgery.

00:05:57.000 I mean, that new thing, have you seen, like, the buckle fat surgery?

00:05:59.640 What's the buckle fat?

00:06:00.620 They're sucking fat out of your cheeks to make you, like, look like that. 0.99

00:06:05.780 Yes.

00:06:06.160 So I have, like, a perpetual, like, a duck face.

00:06:07.900 Like, going to those kinds of, like, ridiculous lengths.

00:06:10.940 And then all the caked-on makeup.

00:06:13.100 Yeah.

00:06:13.620 And the lip thing.

00:06:14.260 And then you wonder why men, they, oh, yeah.

00:06:15.760 They always make the lips huge.

00:06:17.020 Yeah.

00:06:17.380 And the fake eyelashes that kind of look like caterpillars.

00:06:20.440 All of that.

00:06:21.040 Where it's, like, you're going to such lengths and then you wonder why guys, like, say, like, oh, like, no girl looks like her dating profile.

00:06:27.140 Like, this is so crazy.

00:06:27.840 Like, I just want her to be natural.

00:06:28.940 But then women have gone so far. 1.00

00:06:30.520 It's very weird.

00:06:30.940 But you got it right.

00:06:31.660 I did get it right.

00:06:32.180 I don't think that men should lie.

00:06:33.280 But I also think women need to stop editing their photos. 1.00

00:06:36.520 They need to stop caking on makeup. 1.00

00:06:37.920 It's better for your skin, too.

00:06:39.240 Yeah.

00:06:39.860 The other thing, I mean, maybe you'll say, yes, it does matter.

00:06:43.060 But you're very successful in your own right.

00:06:46.700 Would it really matter if a guy puffed up his salary on a dating profile?

00:06:52.580 Maybe it would.

00:06:53.340 I don't know.

00:06:53.760 People are attracted to success.

00:06:54.200 I think it comes down to integrity.

00:06:56.480 But also, you know, on dating profiles, I don't really talk about their salary.

00:06:59.660 If it was height, if you're just kind of like, oh, I'm a half an inch taller, that's fine.

00:07:06.980 I don't really care.

00:07:07.620 I'm 5'10 3 quarters, but I say 6 feet.

00:07:10.120 Just round up.

00:07:11.080 Just round up.

00:07:11.780 That's fine.

00:07:12.660 I round up to 6'4".

00:07:13.780 Well, that's impressive.

00:07:15.000 Good for you.

00:07:16.160 Yeah.

00:07:16.900 But if it's like you're 5'7", and you're saying you're 6 foot, it's like, okay, now you're

00:07:20.660 just catfishing.

00:07:21.480 Yeah.

00:07:23.420 But it's so difficult because on many dating profiles, it's so general.

00:07:26.260 So it's like a lot of these statements, you can't really tell until you actually talk to

00:07:28.800 the person, but so many people on dating apps, they don't actually go on dates.

00:07:32.300 That's the thing.

00:07:32.660 They'll talk for months because it's a game.

00:07:35.160 What?

00:07:35.680 Yes.

00:07:36.100 Oh, no, people don't go on dates from dating apps.

00:07:38.500 Very few of them do.

00:07:39.660 You sit around because it's a game.

00:07:40.820 You swipe.

00:07:41.400 You get the instant gratification.

00:07:43.140 You might talk to a guy for a while.

00:07:43.460 So someone likes me.

00:07:44.500 Someone thinks I'm cute.

00:07:45.480 Yes, exactly.

00:07:46.040 You talk, and then you'll never meet up.

00:07:48.020 And I have friends that will try to, oh, I want to go out with this guy or whatever,

00:07:51.400 and they'll try to make it happen in three to four days.

00:07:53.220 Because obviously, you don't want to go out with somebody who maybe is a serial killer.

00:07:56.760 But yeah.

00:07:57.200 I don't remember what the stats are, but it'll be weeks or months before they even

00:08:01.660 get around to going out.

00:08:03.360 I just missed dating apps.

00:08:05.480 I just missed it.

00:08:06.500 Sweet little Elise and I got back together right as they were coming out.

00:08:09.480 So I missed it.

00:08:10.320 I never was on one.

00:08:11.000 Yeah.

00:08:11.480 I have friends who've done them all the time.

00:08:14.560 To get me to text my wife back, to get me to text my employers, to get me to text my

00:08:20.040 Me back.

00:08:20.640 To get to text you back.

00:08:21.700 Really, to text my dear friends, it takes days and days and days.

00:08:25.620 Yeah.

00:08:27.800 People now, for recreation, will go on to just text strangers for months with no point other

00:08:35.280 than maybe.

00:08:35.840 It's not intentional whatsoever.

00:08:37.080 Wow.

00:08:37.560 So because of that, I think a lot of people are very lax with what they put on there.

00:08:41.340 Because those conversations very rarely have any kind of substance.

00:08:44.120 And so it's like, oh, you, and often, like, I was on a podcast recently and the guy asked

00:08:48.660 me to, like, look at his profile, like, oh, would you rate it or something like that.

00:08:52.400 And I've had my guy friends, like, do very similar things.

00:08:54.260 And, oh, my girlfriends, too.

00:08:55.340 And it's all very, very general.

00:08:57.060 And when I look at them, I'm like, why would you not, you know, put everything out there,

00:09:00.420 basically?

00:09:00.720 And, like, talk about your non-negotiables.

00:09:02.300 Like, say what you're actually looking for.

00:09:03.620 I saw this girl on TikTok who did this whole video, basically raging, doing, like, an angry

00:09:08.940 feminist rant about this guy. 1.00

00:09:10.420 And she posted their conversation.

00:09:13.680 And he wrote back.

00:09:14.400 And he was like, oh, you're so beautiful.

00:09:15.600 And she said, oh, my God, thank you.

00:09:16.580 And he said, could I ask you, you know, what you're looking for?

00:09:18.600 And her response was, I don't really know.

00:09:21.560 I'm just kind of figuring things out.

00:09:22.540 And so he writes back and says, okay, I want to be up front.

00:09:25.380 I travel a lot for work.

00:09:26.560 I'm really not sure if I want something serious right now.

00:09:29.020 I'm really just looking for, like, friends with benefits.

00:09:31.160 Maybe if it, like, moves in.

00:09:32.460 But he's being honest.

00:09:33.340 He's being up front.

00:09:34.340 He's on the app.

00:09:34.960 He's like, hi, I'm a dirtbag.

00:09:36.400 I just want to please my body.

00:09:38.160 Exactly.

00:09:38.480 And, like, I don't really care.

00:09:39.120 I want to use you as an instrument for my own bodily satisfaction. 1.00

00:09:42.340 Yes, exactly.

00:09:43.420 But he asked.

00:09:44.720 She said, I don't really care.

00:09:46.180 And so he responded honestly.

00:09:47.740 And then she flips out at him and goes, how dare you think that I would do this? 0.99

00:09:52.000 Like, I'm looking for something serious.

00:09:53.500 I would never, like, go down to that, like, level.

00:09:55.740 I asked you.

00:09:56.480 Yeah.

00:09:56.960 Then be honest.

00:09:58.480 You can't play both sides of it.

00:10:00.380 You can't play games and then expect men not to be playing games. 0.70

00:10:03.580 It's a constant double standard.

00:10:04.920 And so.

00:10:05.620 I like that, though.

00:10:06.220 So the conclusion being women might not know what they want. 0.96

00:10:09.780 Yeah.

00:10:10.080 But they definitely know what they don't want.

00:10:11.400 Yeah.

00:10:11.520 I mean, that's very true.

00:10:12.100 That is very true with women. 1.00

00:10:13.420 But anyway, the apps are so gamey.

00:10:15.920 And if you actually want to use them properly, Dennis Prager has talked about this a lot.

00:10:18.540 And he's talked to me about it when I was still living in L.A.

00:10:20.380 And he's actually a big advocate for dating apps.

00:10:23.180 If you live.

00:10:24.040 Dennis is a player, you know.

00:10:25.480 Dennis just wants everybody to get married.

00:10:26.980 With the stogie.

00:10:28.400 Yeah, right.

00:10:29.120 Well, I remember when I was at PragerU, he was, like, constantly trying to matchmake people.

00:10:33.420 And if you were, like, a 20-year-old, whatever, he was like, why aren't we married yet?

00:10:35.580 Like, let me find you somebody.

00:10:36.600 Like, let me go to, you know, let me find somebody in my community.

00:10:39.920 But we were talking about dating apps.

00:10:41.680 And I was kind of like, oh, you know, they're so stupid.

00:10:43.360 He was like, no.

00:10:44.360 Especially if you were in, like, a liberal area.

00:10:45.940 He said, this is the best way to weed everybody out.

00:10:47.700 But the caveat is that you have to be intentional.

00:10:50.280 You have to actually put your religion.

00:10:51.800 You can't be like, oh, I'm a moderate.

00:10:53.420 If you're actually conservative.

00:10:54.320 No, just say it.

00:10:55.480 Because then the people who are going to be angry at you and are going to hate you,

00:10:57.640 you're not wasting your time.

00:10:58.560 You're not wasting their time.

00:10:59.540 The only people that are going to actively be interested are, like, oh, this is great.

00:11:03.060 You're being out there.

00:11:03.880 Get on the dating app.

00:11:05.580 Yes, yes.

00:11:06.260 Swipe right. 1.00

00:11:07.320 I'm Dennis Prager.

00:11:08.400 Okay.

00:11:08.680 Anyway, so we're moving on.

00:11:09.760 Here we go.

00:11:10.520 Okay.

00:11:12.720 Technically, I know more about pop culture than you.

00:11:16.020 So I'm answering as me.

00:11:17.700 And you're answering as you.

00:11:19.980 Wait, no, no.

00:11:20.380 I'm answering for you, right?

00:11:22.340 Yeah.

00:11:22.680 I'm answering for you.

00:11:24.320 You're answering as if to say, I, Michael Knowles, know more about pop culture than you,

00:11:29.760 Brett Cooper.

00:11:29.820 Oh, okay.

00:11:30.500 I think.

00:11:31.240 And you're moving that way.

00:11:32.880 Oh, wait.

00:11:33.320 Oh.

00:11:34.560 Now we're getting it right.

00:11:35.460 You're saying, I...

00:11:36.740 I, Michael Knowles.

00:11:38.160 Yeah, yeah.

00:11:38.520 And I'm answering, I, Brett Cooper.

00:11:41.360 Take you, Michael Knowles, to be my lawfully wedding.

00:11:43.320 Here we are.

00:11:45.600 True.

00:11:45.920 True.

00:11:47.700 True.

00:11:51.180 It's true.

00:11:52.300 Obviously.

00:11:53.080 What I don't...

00:11:53.600 The most modern musician I listen to is Van Morrison.

00:11:57.100 No, you listen to Miley Cyrus.

00:11:58.660 And Miley.

00:11:59.420 That's true.

00:11:59.800 Miley Cyrus.

00:12:00.080 I really dug that Miley song.

00:12:01.560 Have you listened to the rest of her album?

00:12:03.080 No.

00:12:03.540 I thought it was a single.

00:12:04.500 I didn't know it was a whole album.

00:12:05.220 Well, it was a single and they put out some other songs.

00:12:07.600 It's not...

00:12:08.080 It's kind of a letdown.

00:12:09.040 Is it?

00:12:09.620 I've always...

00:12:10.140 The first three songs?

00:12:11.200 Yeah.

00:12:11.520 Great.

00:12:11.920 The rest of them, I was like...

00:12:12.740 She started randomly talking in the middle of the song.

00:12:14.540 So I was like, I'm not here to listen to you talk with your smoker voice.

00:12:17.540 No.

00:12:17.960 I like it.

00:12:18.540 I mean, it's a sultry voice.

00:12:19.560 But I've always been pro-Miley.

00:12:20.920 Since Party in the USA, I really liked that.

00:12:23.220 And this whole thing about, you know, you could have had flowers.

00:12:26.320 Yeah.

00:12:26.840 I don't need you to hold my hand or whatever.

00:12:28.620 Yeah.

00:12:28.740 I like it.

00:12:29.480 It's a good...

00:12:30.000 It's a jazzy kind of 70s funky thing.

00:12:32.180 Yeah.

00:12:32.600 And it shows how misery-inducing modern romantic culture.

00:12:37.800 Exactly.

00:12:37.820 And I don't think that what I liked about it was that it was not like man-shaming.

00:12:41.160 It was just saying, hey, I can, you know...

00:12:43.280 She's talking about the things that a woman would want and saying, you know, if you're not 0.73

00:12:45.900 going to give those to me, I'll find them somewhere else.

00:12:48.020 It's not about like, I hate you.

00:12:49.120 It's more about her, which I appreciate because most things in modern feminist culture are always 1.00

00:12:52.480 like to work at the bend.

00:12:53.380 But I found it ironic, too, because she's saying like, I can buy myself flowers.

00:12:57.200 I can...

00:12:57.480 But it's like, no.

00:12:58.580 Like, you can.

00:12:59.180 But it's not the same thing.

00:13:00.580 It's not the same, obviously, and you're presenting that.

00:13:02.560 Okay.

00:13:03.080 I'm up.

00:13:05.980 Oh, man.

00:13:06.920 Oh, no.

00:13:09.000 Helen Keller was faking it.

00:13:10.320 Oh, my God.

00:13:12.580 Okay.

00:13:13.000 No, I've got an answer to this.

00:13:14.460 Okay.

00:13:15.020 One...

00:13:15.180 My team and I debate this all the time.

00:13:16.660 One, two, three.

00:13:23.300 No.

00:13:23.920 Really?

00:13:24.560 No.

00:13:25.060 She wasn't faking it.

00:13:26.400 Yeah.

00:13:27.220 The people around her certainly were faking it.

00:13:29.160 Because I think that she's real.

00:13:31.580 You think that she's a deaf, dumb, blind woman who flew an airplane? 1.00

00:13:37.780 That's what you're saying?

00:13:38.700 Did she fly an airplane? 0.99

00:13:39.320 They said she flew an airplane.

00:13:40.620 Oh, yeah.

00:13:40.940 I don't believe that.

00:13:41.740 Yeah.

00:13:42.100 And like she... 0.58

00:13:43.000 Also, didn't she...

00:13:43.700 She had this special friend who...

00:13:46.420 Helen Keller would communicate with the friend by, like, hand massages or something, and then

00:13:50.820 the friend would just...

00:13:52.000 Yeah, this thing.

00:13:52.620 The way that you...

00:13:53.420 Yes.

00:13:53.740 Yeah, and then the friend would just magically interpret this, and Helen Keller wrote all

00:13:57.960 these books and flew an airplane or whatever, but then when the friend died or went away

00:14:02.620 or something, then Helen Keller chose not to write any more books or fly any more airplanes. 1.00

00:14:07.240 I don't know.

00:14:07.800 It's just...

00:14:08.260 I'm not...

00:14:09.120 Okay, I didn't know about the flying airplane, but I do think that somebody obviously can exist

00:14:14.560 who is blind and deaf and that kind of thing, but I loved The Miracle Worker, that play.

00:14:19.340 Yeah, I've only seen jokes about...

00:14:21.920 Like, I've only seen The South Park about The Miracle Worker.

00:14:24.480 The Miracle Worker is so good.

00:14:25.460 The play is fantastic.

00:14:26.620 Yeah.

00:14:26.900 And, I mean, and her books are great.

00:14:28.460 I do believe that she is...

00:14:30.780 I don't know the extent of the stories that they've told about her.

00:14:33.160 Yeah.

00:14:33.460 I mean, she's a woman. 0.94

00:14:34.700 Yeah.

00:14:34.920 I do believe that she could learn that stuff, though, because I know that there is sign

00:14:37.900 language that you can do.

00:14:39.420 It's a different kind of sign language, but it's just done in the palm.

00:14:41.960 Yeah.

00:14:42.500 But maybe...

00:14:42.880 I don't know.

00:14:43.220 Maybe it was just, like, that person was her crutch, but maybe they, you know, overgrew it, obviously,

00:14:46.680 because now she was making a bunch of money.

00:14:48.560 Yeah.

00:14:49.740 I'm not definitively saying it was all fake news.

00:14:54.140 We should have questions.

00:14:55.360 I think it's fair to...

00:14:56.940 Like, we live in a world right now where they told us that an experimental drug would stop

00:15:02.580 us from getting a cough.

00:15:04.180 That's true.

00:15:04.660 That was the worst plague in human history.

00:15:06.780 And, you know, and that turned out to be a little...

00:15:09.680 What am I allowed to say?

00:15:10.480 Like, a little dubious?

00:15:12.040 So, I don't know.

00:15:12.600 I'm just a little...

00:15:13.300 I just have questions for...

00:15:15.240 Obviously.

00:15:16.000 ...the Kellerites.

00:15:16.600 Yes.

00:15:16.780 If it's not true...

00:15:18.040 Uh-huh.

00:15:18.280 At least it makes a good story.

00:15:21.020 See, that...

00:15:22.340 I think that sums up my feelings.

00:15:23.660 Yeah.

00:15:24.460 I still appreciate the play.

00:15:28.440 Guys.

00:15:28.840 I've never had to call in sick to work the day after my 21st birthday.

00:15:34.180 You're a bit of a crazy guy.

00:15:59.020 I was, but I was also irresponsible and didn't have a job when I was 20.

00:16:06.460 And you, my dear...

00:16:08.120 Should I tell the story?

00:16:09.460 I think so.

00:16:10.160 Well, guys, my birthday is obviously October 12th.

00:16:13.680 I started working here when I was 20.

00:16:16.080 I had just turned 20, actually, when I got my offer.

00:16:18.320 And so I spent the whole year here not drinking and having apple juice and the champagne flutes

00:16:25.040 whenever Daily Wire would do special events.

00:16:27.200 You were trying to get me to come on, yes and no.

00:16:29.820 But no, so my 21st birthday, I had, like, four different things planned.

00:16:33.700 I even had a cabin trip planned with Madison, you know, with a bunch of our friends.

00:16:37.580 We're going to go up to Asheville.

00:16:39.600 And it was going to be a great time.

00:16:41.100 And I have never had the best luck with birthdays.

00:16:43.140 Something always happens.

00:16:44.320 I don't know what it is, but I'm, like, quintessential.

00:16:47.200 And maybe this is the Zoomer in me.

00:16:48.400 I always cry on my birthday.

00:16:49.640 Do you?

00:16:49.800 I never have a good time.

00:16:50.800 Cry tears of joy?

00:16:51.820 No.

00:16:51.940 Oh, no.

00:16:52.400 Not quite.

00:16:52.720 No, no, no.

00:16:52.960 Just stress constantly, yes.

00:16:55.400 One time, I think this is my 17th birthday, I had two midterms on my birthday.

00:17:00.280 So I took one.

00:17:00.960 It was my Spanish midterm.

00:17:01.780 It was the worst midterm I ever took.

00:17:02.880 Went in my car, sobbed.

00:17:03.880 Moimau.

00:17:04.500 Yes.

00:17:04.740 And then my mom was dealing with, like, a health thing with my brother.

00:17:07.580 And so I sat at home in Burbank on my porch and ate Domino's pizza and cried again.

00:17:12.180 It was great.

00:17:12.640 Anyway, so that's...

00:17:13.020 Half of that sounds nice.

00:17:14.060 Yeah, it was solace.

00:17:15.460 It was good.

00:17:16.540 But anyway, so I just, you know, I was really hopeful about this.

00:17:19.020 I was like, I'm living in a new city.

00:17:19.880 I have a great job.

00:17:20.680 I have great friends here.

00:17:21.840 And I get sick.

00:17:22.660 I get the flu.

00:17:23.900 You got the flu.

00:17:24.960 I did.

00:17:25.200 I got the flu.

00:17:25.940 I actually did.

00:17:26.900 So we, I had a concert that I was supposed to go to that night.

00:17:31.440 But it was The Wildlife and Floor, two of my favorite bands.

00:17:36.000 Oh, yeah.

00:17:36.400 I'm a huge...

00:17:36.720 I liked them before they got popular.

00:17:38.460 I'm sure you did.

00:17:39.120 Before they sold out and went mainstream.

00:17:40.760 Oh, they're not even mainstream, though.

00:17:41.900 It's a huge floor.

00:17:42.480 Yeah.

00:17:42.860 No, well, I'm saying, you know, even back when they were...

00:17:46.060 Nothing.

00:17:46.780 They were children and they were in there.

00:17:49.560 Yeah, you were a big fan.

00:17:51.320 No, and so I, like, left that concert in the middle because my throat was hurting so bad.

00:17:55.440 I didn't have a single drink on my 21st birthday.

00:17:57.900 Like, literally not a single one.

00:17:59.000 I went to dinner in East, did not get a single drink, went to this concert.

00:18:02.800 I drank, I chugged water.

00:18:04.820 And then the next day, I actually saw Scotty at that concert.

00:18:07.400 She can attest to that, whatever she is.

00:18:09.800 Yeah, you got an alibi.

00:18:10.920 I do.

00:18:11.220 You're a clever gal, Brad.

00:18:12.580 And then I canceled the cabin trip because I was so sick.

00:18:15.260 And then I got Madison sick as well.

00:18:17.100 The only reason that I'm inclined to possibly believe this story is people always say,

00:18:23.800 well, your 21st birthday, did you go crazy?

00:18:25.300 But I think, you know, at least for me, it wasn't my first rodeo when I turned 21.

00:18:31.460 And so at a certain point, you're like, well, I've kind of been doing this for a while.

00:18:33.880 I don't actually need to go out.

00:18:34.300 It lost the charm.

00:18:35.420 Yeah.

00:18:36.180 I've said it before and I've said it publicly.

00:18:38.020 I had more fun before I turned 21.

00:18:40.760 Yeah.

00:18:41.480 And then it hit and I literally did not drink for the two months after my 21st birthday

00:18:46.100 because I was like, why am I using it?

00:18:47.540 Yeah, it loses it.

00:18:48.400 I'm using my real ID.

00:18:49.980 Nobody wants to do that.

00:18:52.760 What's the point?

00:18:53.340 I know.

00:18:53.940 Anyway.

00:18:54.180 Okay.

00:18:56.180 For men, wearing loafers without socks is a lot like wearing Beats by Dre headphones as a woman. 0.97

00:19:01.420 Both are things you experiment with in college and are sort of a rite of passage for basic white people. 0.96

00:19:06.880 However, unlike the loafers, you can easily clean headphones so they are better.

00:19:14.420 You guys did your research.

00:19:16.660 Wow.

00:19:16.940 All right, so the punchline here is Beats by Dre are better than sockless loafers.

00:19:26.320 And that they're both basic and not cool.

00:19:28.120 Yeah, that's all part of the premise.

00:19:29.360 I mean, I think basic white people stuff can be perfectly fun. 0.86

00:19:31.820 I like L.L. Bean, you know?

00:19:33.140 Yeah.

00:19:33.360 I like Beats by Dre is better than...

00:19:38.240 Like pastel polo shirts.

00:19:41.580 Okay, so the Beats by Dre are better than sockless loafers.

00:19:46.380 Yeah, no way.

00:19:48.200 Okay, you want to...

00:19:49.280 No, sockless loafers.

00:19:50.600 I hate sockless loafers.

00:19:50.980 Sockless loafers.

00:19:51.700 Really?

00:19:52.100 I hate it.

00:19:52.840 I hate it.

00:19:53.540 I just did a live stream.

00:19:54.800 Were you guys watching my All Access?

00:19:56.460 They must have known.

00:19:57.240 I talked about it yesterday.

00:19:58.300 No, sockless...

00:19:58.740 Listen, I know that you wear socks as loafers.

00:20:01.240 Yeah, of course.

00:20:02.320 I can't do it.

00:20:03.100 I dolled myself up for you.

00:20:05.040 Did you wear...

00:20:05.420 Black oxfers, you know? 1.00

00:20:06.660 See, that's the best.

00:20:08.300 But here, my thing is, with the loafers that you wear, I think it's more acceptable.

00:20:12.200 When men wear these loafers with the tie, like the ones that...

00:20:16.240 The tassel loafers?

00:20:17.020 Yeah, well, no, no, no.

00:20:17.700 No, with the laces.

00:20:19.000 With the laces.

00:20:19.520 Like Oxford shoes.

00:20:20.140 Yes, okay.

00:20:20.580 Whatever you call this.

00:20:21.200 A loafer is sort of defined by its lack of lace.

00:20:24.840 It's more so...

00:20:26.160 I still think that's not great if it's not springtime and you're not at a beach wedding.

00:20:29.980 It's like, put on the socks.

00:20:32.700 But if it's in Oxford, why do men wear those without socks?

00:20:35.840 Do they?

00:20:36.400 Yes.

00:20:37.000 That's insane.

00:20:37.820 They do.

00:20:38.380 Well, that's insane.

00:20:38.980 And it's weird.

00:20:39.460 And it's very uncomfortable.

00:20:39.960 Yeah, I'm sure.

00:20:40.860 And I'm like, I don't want to see your ankles.

00:20:42.320 Cover them up.

00:20:44.580 Yeah, I don't know.

00:20:45.220 I'm like a principal telling people, like, cover up, like, telling girls, cover up your shoulders.

00:20:49.240 You're telling waspy men, hey, put those ankles on. 0.85

00:20:52.680 Literally.

00:20:53.360 Get yourself down to the country club.

00:20:55.700 Put on some damn socks.

00:20:56.840 Put on some socks.

00:20:57.680 Yeah, okay.

00:20:58.080 And I think the other part of this punchline is that my headphones that I wear on the

00:21:02.040 show are beats.

00:21:02.840 Well, that I knew.

00:21:03.720 Yeah.

00:21:04.460 But that's, you know, it's fine for an age.

00:21:06.200 But the thing is, a waspy man and a wasp-identifying man of any race, culture, or background can wear 0.93

00:21:14.600 sockless loafers, or let's include maybe topsiders, from, truly, from six months old

00:21:20.440 until his dying day.

00:21:21.640 That's true.

00:21:22.060 It's timeless.

00:21:22.980 It's timeless.

00:21:23.400 You know, I rocked the topsiders.

00:21:25.000 I love Sperry topsiders.

00:21:26.020 Yeah.

00:21:26.400 Not anymore.

00:21:27.160 But I mean, like, my family's big in sailing, so I had a lot of boat shoes.

00:21:30.840 How did I?

00:21:31.320 I could see that.

00:21:32.260 I could, you exude a kind of sailing vibe.

00:21:35.600 My whole family does.

00:21:36.340 It's the one thing we all do.

00:21:37.760 Wow.

00:21:38.280 Competitively, yeah.

00:21:39.400 Competitively?

00:21:39.900 Mm-hmm.

00:21:40.520 Because I like the idea of the William F. Buckley Jr. version of sailing.

00:21:43.860 The big boats?

00:21:44.640 Yeah, you go out, you kind of wear a silly sweater.

00:21:46.680 Yeah.

00:21:46.840 I think he would occasionally puff a little Haitian oregano on the face of the UConn.

00:21:49.580 Oh, no, we're in, like, full-body, like, all-weather suits.

00:21:54.160 Wow.

00:21:54.720 Like, hanging out the side of boats.

00:21:56.300 Wow.

00:21:56.480 So my brothers and I did that, and then my dad also competed, and then my mom, she was 0.68

00:22:01.160 more of the, like, relaxing.

00:22:02.960 Her first husband would, like, cruise around, and she would be there with, like, drinks and

00:22:05.900 food.

00:22:06.300 You're like the conservative answer to Greta Thunberg.

00:22:08.860 Hey, there you go.

00:22:09.280 You know, there's St. Greta there in that boat in the middle of the ocean.

00:22:12.320 Yeah.

00:22:12.520 I assume helicopters dropping caviar.

00:22:14.400 Yep.

00:22:14.580 And then there's you.

00:22:15.720 Having a great time.

00:22:16.740 Not crying about it.

00:22:21.180 Decriminalizing prostitution would be more problematic for society than decriminalizing

00:22:26.060 Schedule I drugs such as weed, LSD, and mushrooms.

00:22:31.240 No, wait.

00:22:32.580 Would be more problematic.

00:22:34.560 So it's worse to decriminalize prostitution. 0.98

00:22:40.380 Oh.

00:22:40.720 I don't know what you think of this.

00:22:45.720 I'm so torn.

00:22:58.940 Let's just see what happens.

00:23:01.180 I don't know whether you're more anti-drug or more anti-prostitution.

00:23:04.520 I'm not advocating either.

00:23:08.480 In an impossible situation?

00:23:10.080 But if I had to choose one to decriminalize, hookers or hard drugs, I would choose the hookers. 1.00

00:23:18.140 Because, one, it's much more traditional, world's oldest profession.

00:23:22.640 Yep.

00:23:22.780 And, two, both St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas make arguments, not for the legalization of prostitution.

00:23:30.600 Okay.

00:23:31.000 But arguments against further outlawing prostitution.

00:23:35.300 Okay.

00:23:35.420 Because they say, St. Augustine says, and then St. Thomas Aquinas reiterates this, that if there is not this outlet that is tolerated, or if it's further clamped down on it, society would be so convulsed by lust that you would have far worse outcomes for people.

00:23:54.360 Interesting.

00:23:54.800 More sexual violence, that sort of thing.

00:23:57.140 Now, the calculation's changed a little bit today because there's porn everywhere.

00:24:02.120 But if I had to tolerate one of those evils, whereas when it comes to LSD and all these hippie drugs that turns every person from a normal person into a huge lib, I've never seen it go the other direction.

00:24:12.060 I have.

00:24:12.620 One of my really good friends.

00:24:13.720 Really?

00:24:14.220 Yeah.

00:24:14.360 Are you sure?

00:24:14.920 Yes.

00:24:15.320 Are you sure?

00:24:15.980 I'm very sure.

00:24:17.000 For his 23rd birthday, his request for me was just to, because I was like, what do you want to do?

00:24:23.920 And he was like, actually, I just want to, like, hang out and, like, trip.

00:24:27.860 And I said, well, I'm not going to do that.

00:24:28.940 Yeah.

00:24:29.200 But if you want me to, like, hang around and, like, bring you food or whatever.

00:24:33.840 But his big, like, shroom trip was him realizing that, like, the elites are all out to get us.

00:24:38.940 And he was like, you're all right.

00:24:40.620 Like, the government, it's, like, awful and they're, you know, they're conspiring against us.

00:24:44.500 And I was like, okay.

00:24:45.740 Because that's usually been the case.

00:24:46.920 That's interesting.

00:24:47.620 Yeah.

00:24:48.240 I had a friend.

00:24:49.120 This is the only non-disastrous psychedelic story ever.

00:24:53.580 Yep.

00:24:53.920 A buddy of mine took mushrooms and was in Washington, D.C.

00:24:57.720 And he looked down.

00:24:58.420 He was on the marble monuments.

00:25:00.820 And he looked down and he said, oh, what are those ants doing crawling around on the marble?

00:25:06.000 But it wasn't really ants.

00:25:07.640 Okay.

00:25:07.980 It was the black and white of the marble.

00:25:09.980 So it was the black of the marble.

00:25:11.040 And he was experiencing this as an animate reality.

00:25:14.560 But then he said, no, no, no.

00:25:15.620 This is just the pigment of the stone, which is inanimate.

00:25:18.480 But then, because he was super high, he realized, no, it actually just was ants.

00:25:25.220 So, and then he sobered up and, you know, we went on with our day.

00:25:28.760 Yeah.

00:25:28.920 But the takeaway from that is that he could experience metaphor.

00:25:35.880 He was experiencing a blurring of the literal and the figurative, which I think is very important

00:25:40.300 because I don't believe in anything as being merely literal.

00:25:43.580 I think this is a semiotic world and everything has meaning.

00:25:45.940 So that was one thing.

00:25:47.560 But he didn't really get that into the psychedelic stuff.

00:25:50.100 My other friends who have gotten into it, they always come to the same conclusion.

00:25:54.580 They say, you know, man, I was so stressed.

00:25:58.080 And then I ate a bunch of mushrooms and took a bunch of bathtub acid.

00:26:01.500 And then I realized, man, it was cool.

00:26:03.200 It gave me peace.

00:26:04.460 Because I realized, man, I don't need to worry about, like, sin and guilt and stuff.

00:26:10.940 I don't, you know, some of them will even say, I saw these little, like, beings.

00:26:14.260 It was, like, aliens almost.

00:26:15.780 And it kind of showed me, man, there's another dimension.

00:26:17.980 I don't need to worry about sin and guilt.

00:26:20.820 Which is not a positive outcome.

00:26:22.240 Yeah.

00:26:22.400 It's like, hey, bro, do you know who would try to convince you not to worry about sin?

00:26:26.580 Demons.

00:26:27.640 Those little weird alien things you saw?

00:26:29.420 Yeah, the demons.

00:26:29.960 Do you want to hear about my brother's experience?

00:26:31.120 Yeah.

00:26:31.460 Okay, so my brother does a ton of drugs.

00:26:34.200 So there's, like, he's, like, the primary reason that I became very, very anti-drug and started

00:26:37.880 with weed and then has basically done everything under the sun.

00:26:40.560 Right.

00:26:40.780 But he is now, has drug-induced schizophrenia.

00:26:43.280 Like, very, very, very serious.

00:26:45.100 Yeah.

00:26:45.400 But the things that he sees in his trips, they are all, like, devilish, like, demons.

00:26:50.400 Like, literal, like, demons on his shoulder that tell him that, like, he, like, caused the

00:26:54.500 destruction of our family.

00:26:55.320 Like, all of this stuff.

00:26:55.880 Like, it is truly, like, you are, like, going to hell.

00:26:59.380 And, like, that kind of stuff.

00:27:00.840 And it's like, how is this?

00:27:02.920 And then he kept doing it.

00:27:03.620 Like, oh, you know, maybe it'll be better.

00:27:05.000 Let me, like, try something else.

00:27:05.960 Let me try another hallucinogenic.

00:27:07.100 And I'm like, it's obviously not.

00:27:09.060 But no, that's, my one friend is the only time that I've seen it done positive.

00:27:11.520 And I'm very good.

00:27:12.180 My best friend, actually, has experimented with a lot of it.

00:27:15.020 And he publicly will say, like, I think everybody should, like, trip once in their life.

00:27:18.260 And I'm like, oh.

00:27:19.020 He's like, no, I'm good, man.

00:27:20.820 I love you.

00:27:21.300 But no.

00:27:21.620 Like, yeah.

00:27:22.660 Am I up?

00:27:24.320 Yes.

00:27:24.760 Okay.

00:27:25.080 Right?

00:27:25.500 I don't know.

00:27:26.480 I don't know.

00:27:26.680 Yeah.

00:27:27.220 I have better hair.

00:27:29.160 Ha! 0.89

00:27:30.400 Hmm.

00:27:32.280 I have better hair.

00:27:33.900 So, you're answering as me.

00:27:35.700 I'm answering as you.

00:27:41.460 I think you know what's good for you.

00:27:45.380 Come on.

00:27:46.120 Give a little, like, turn.

00:27:49.700 Okay, let me give you a pull.

00:27:52.420 I will say, your hair is.

00:27:54.980 Yep.

00:27:58.100 I guess we'll let the audience decide.

00:28:01.080 Do you use Jeremy's Razor's hair products?

00:28:03.180 I actually do.

00:28:03.960 I do, too.

00:28:04.540 I do.

00:28:05.080 They're very high quality hair products.

00:28:06.780 They are.

00:28:07.760 But I've had this hair.

00:28:08.840 And they're, like, quite clean, too.

00:28:10.400 Yes.

00:28:10.860 No, they're super.

00:28:11.680 Yeah.

00:28:11.780 No seed oils.

00:28:13.340 All made of beef tallow.

00:28:15.160 I don't really know much about this.

00:28:16.780 No, but they don't have any parfum in them or anything like that.

00:28:18.520 I hate parfum in them.

00:28:19.440 I love cardamom, but I hate.

00:28:21.620 Profiteroles.

00:28:24.020 I don't use the beef tallow deodorant, but you do.

00:28:26.480 But I use a salt crystal as a deodorant.

00:28:28.600 That's even crunchier.

00:28:29.820 I know it is.

00:28:30.460 But I do use the beef tallow moisturizer.

00:28:32.020 But I did.

00:28:32.340 Which you gave me.

00:28:33.120 Yes.

00:28:34.240 Michaela Peterson, though.

00:28:35.820 She is, like, very.

00:28:37.000 Obviously, she has her autoimmune stuff. 1.00

00:28:38.400 She's, like, allergic to a lot of things.

00:28:40.000 But she had a recent breakout due to her shampoo.

00:28:41.720 So she uses the beef tallow shampoo.

00:28:43.100 So what you were saying was actually.

00:28:43.860 Can you actually.

00:28:44.200 You actually can.

00:28:45.360 You can buy it on Etsy.

00:28:46.340 It's like a bar of beef.

00:28:47.420 This is the thing.

00:28:48.780 I never got into fad diets or anything.

00:28:51.780 Elisa convinced me.

00:28:53.660 Seed oils made by the same demons that you see on mushrooms.

00:28:56.900 Yep.

00:28:57.160 And beef tallow cures everything.

00:28:59.780 Beef tallow.

00:29:00.260 The answer to all of the physical ailments.

00:29:02.620 Well, it's because it's going back to something that's natural.

00:29:05.320 It's like we have all of these, you know, remedies.

00:29:08.780 It's like when you go on to skin care websites.

00:29:10.480 And there's, like, 55 different products that all do different things.

00:29:13.280 They all have different chemicals.

00:29:14.220 But they're kind of, like, weird concoctions of the same thing.

00:29:17.420 And you buy all of them thinking they're all going to be a fix.

00:29:19.200 But you're really just, like, putting more chemicals on your face.

00:29:21.460 It's like, why do we need all of that when there are very simple solutions?

00:29:24.560 Like, why is it that men, that my brother, can wash his face with a bar of dove soap and have clearer skin than me?

00:29:31.660 Right, right.

00:29:32.800 And I've, like, used every, I had, like, a dermatologist from the time that I was, you know, eight years old.

00:29:36.360 Because child actors obviously can't show a single pimple.

00:29:39.500 A pimple.

00:29:39.980 Can't have a single whatever.

00:29:41.160 And I've had, like, worse skin than him.

00:29:42.420 And all he does is just, like, splash water.

00:29:44.540 The dove soap or now, even forgetting that, I'm just going to start walking up in a field.

00:29:48.560 There are a lot of cows around Nashville.

00:29:49.840 It's going to slice off some fat. 0.62

00:29:51.400 Just get it.

00:29:51.740 Rub it on my face.

00:29:53.180 Throw it back to the cow. 1.00

00:29:54.380 I got Brandon Tatum's wife on it, too.

00:29:55.980 Did you?

00:29:56.540 Trying to get some for Candace, yeah. 0.91

00:29:57.580 Yeah, I'm really into it.

00:29:58.860 I, the answer to all of life's ills is be fat.

00:30:02.760 Yeah.

00:30:02.940 Yeah.

00:30:03.140 Okay.

00:30:03.460 True.

00:30:04.060 Oh, it's my turn.

00:30:04.680 Oh, it's your turn.

00:30:05.160 Gimme, gimme. 0.98

00:30:05.580 All right.

00:30:08.380 As a rule, women are more shallow than men. 1.00

00:30:13.360 More shallow.

00:30:15.120 Oh, it depends on the industry.

00:30:19.440 More shallow.

00:30:20.360 No, no, I don't think so.

00:30:30.520 Really?

00:30:30.700 They're differently shallow.

00:30:33.380 Maybe that's a better way to put it.

00:30:34.560 But women are deeper than men in certain respects. 0.92

00:30:38.000 Women are more realistic. 1.00

00:30:39.580 They're more emotional.

00:30:40.720 I think they have more emotional depth.

00:30:42.800 Yeah, certainly more sensitivity.

00:30:44.260 But I think they're also more grounded.

00:30:47.140 People think of men as being,

00:30:49.680 we're the grounded ones,

00:30:50.620 and women are taking flights of fancy. 1.00

00:30:51.660 That's not true.

00:30:52.780 Men are Lord Byron going off to fight a revolution

00:30:55.340 in the middle of Greece or something.

00:30:56.820 Men are the poets, right?

00:30:57.920 Men are the ones who write love sonnets

00:31:00.440 and have a boombox outside of women. 1.00

00:31:01.580 Don Quixote.

00:31:02.160 Don Quixote, yes.

00:31:03.220 And women are just like, 1.00

00:31:04.560 Matt Mac, are you sure?

00:31:05.740 I really, I think you kind of,

00:31:07.080 I don't know if I'm done, Matt Mac.

00:31:08.120 And so women are much deeper 1.00

00:31:12.360 and more grounded in that way.

00:31:13.520 But I think men tend to probe more deeply

00:31:19.660 into abstraction.

00:31:24.060 Yeah.

00:31:24.880 I feel like these days,

00:31:27.200 I see more commonly men calling out

00:31:29.300 women's shallow behavior. 1.00

00:31:30.640 And maybe it's because women have become more shallow. 1.00

00:31:33.580 And we can go back to the whole dating thing

00:31:35.260 of only caring about fashion and their hair

00:31:39.020 and their makeup and that kind of thing. 0.91

00:31:40.240 And I think that might be

00:31:41.320 because we've deviated from these traditional values

00:31:43.240 and traditional roles

00:31:43.980 where women had really important roles in the home 1.00

00:31:46.800 and they took those very seriously.

00:31:48.120 And now it's kind of like,

00:31:48.880 I mean, you look at what you were talking about

00:31:50.280 on whatever podcast I was watching,

00:31:51.780 Isabel Brown's episode last night,

00:31:53.960 where they're so flippantly just being like,

00:31:57.100 oh, actually, no, it wasn't Isabel Brown's.

00:31:58.460 It was another clip that I saw from whatever.

00:32:00.080 But this guy was like,

00:32:01.440 if I want to marry a woman, 0.97

00:32:02.720 I'm going to make her my wife.

00:32:03.720 And this girl was like flipping out 1.00

00:32:04.860 that he was saying I'm going to make you

00:32:06.380 like my wife or whatever. 0.96

00:32:07.740 And she was like, no, your girlfriend's

00:32:08.940 like she's just going to want to go to the club

00:32:10.280 and like have nice dresses.

00:32:11.900 And he was like, no,

00:32:12.380 I'm not going to marry somebody like that.

00:32:13.520 Of course not.

00:32:13.740 But that kind of, you know,

00:32:15.580 image of women these days 1.00

00:32:17.040 and kind of that stereotype that comes with it,

00:32:18.460 I would think that they've become more shallow.

00:32:20.420 But when you go back to those more traditional roles

00:32:22.300 where you have a very, very serious job in the home

00:32:24.320 and you have like a very,

00:32:25.060 like women took themselves very seriously 0.98

00:32:26.540 in what they were like designed to do,

00:32:28.540 that seems less shallow.

00:32:30.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:32:30.640 I don't run my home at all.

00:32:32.140 I don't know.

00:32:32.600 I don't know what my bills are.

00:32:34.220 I don't know that I've ever paid

00:32:35.300 any of my bills in the home.

00:32:37.180 And so that, you know,

00:32:39.320 that's a real grounding.

00:32:40.320 But you're right.

00:32:41.260 If a woman follows feminism, 1.00

00:32:43.900 then that will make her more shallow 1.00

00:32:45.180 because feminism says that the only way 1.00

00:32:46.740 for a woman to have any value 1.00

00:32:47.800 is to pretend to be a man.

00:32:49.020 Yeah.

00:32:49.280 And I got news for those ladies. 0.88

00:32:51.500 They ain't never going to be

00:32:52.500 as good a man as I am.

00:32:53.540 Nope.

00:32:53.980 They're not.

00:32:54.480 I'm not saying I'm the greatest man in the world.

00:32:56.080 Dylan Paul maybe is trying, though.

00:32:56.500 He's trying.

00:32:56.980 He's going the other.

00:32:57.680 Yeah.

00:32:58.200 He's trying.

00:32:58.400 He's going around about the kind of way.

00:32:59.480 The finest,

00:32:59.960 the most prominent woman in America

00:33:01.460 is a huge dude.

00:33:02.820 I would say, though,

00:33:04.220 I think about, you know,

00:33:05.360 different industries

00:33:06.100 and being in the acting world.

00:33:08.440 And I don't know how it was

00:33:09.520 in your time at Yale

00:33:10.760 and, like, that sort of thing.

00:33:12.300 But men in Hollywood,

00:33:14.820 it's like they're so shallow.

00:33:16.520 It's like,

00:33:16.800 why do you care more about your skin care

00:33:18.220 than I do?

00:33:19.580 Why do you care more about your hair?

00:33:20.820 Oh, I can't do this.

00:33:21.720 It's going to whatever.

00:33:22.100 I'm like, oh, my God.

00:33:23.180 Did you ever work in New York

00:33:24.400 as an actress?

00:33:25.360 When I was very young.

00:33:26.480 I mean, like,

00:33:27.180 eight to ten years old.

00:33:28.020 Yeah.

00:33:28.480 Because this was always considered

00:33:30.500 one of the big differences

00:33:31.400 in New York and L.A.

00:33:32.780 The men were very serious.

00:33:33.480 Or the people were just serious

00:33:34.500 in general.

00:33:34.900 Yeah, right.

00:33:35.360 Everybody in New York

00:33:36.100 tends to be more serious.

00:33:37.160 And especially in the theater

00:33:38.360 in New York.

00:33:39.000 Because you're in an actor's craft

00:33:41.720 there where it's, you know,

00:33:42.800 you're following a story

00:33:43.840 beginning to end every night.

00:33:45.540 Whereas,

00:33:46.300 I remember when I got out to L.A.,

00:33:48.860 one of the acting teachers

00:33:50.740 in New York,

00:33:51.600 kind of legendary guy,

00:33:52.580 he was 92.

00:33:53.160 He trained everybody.

00:33:54.000 And he said,

00:33:54.360 don't go to L.A.

00:33:55.860 L.A. is lies.

00:33:57.420 It's shallow lies.

00:33:58.540 And then you get there

00:33:59.140 and everyone is super hot.

00:34:00.560 Yeah.

00:34:01.380 There is a lot more work

00:34:02.780 because there's all this film stuff.

00:34:04.080 But it's all fake, too.

00:34:04.880 But it's all fake.

00:34:05.740 It's less about,

00:34:06.740 like, I remember I would do,

00:34:08.100 I had a bunch of different

00:34:08.640 acting teachers in L.A.

00:34:10.060 And I had, like,

00:34:10.740 the film acting teachers.

00:34:12.080 Yeah.

00:34:12.360 It's not like serious.

00:34:13.180 It's like you're on,

00:34:13.720 they don't call it film.

00:34:14.320 It's like you're on camera acting.

00:34:15.200 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:15.660 It's like don't blink.

00:34:16.640 Yes, exactly.

00:34:17.360 Or don't blink.

00:34:18.220 And then I had my, like,

00:34:19.620 more theater oriented.

00:34:20.580 It was so different

00:34:21.140 because with the on camera ones,

00:34:22.480 it was like,

00:34:22.820 all right,

00:34:22.940 so when you go into your audition,

00:34:24.200 you want to basically

00:34:24.820 trick them into thinking

00:34:26.020 that you're the role.

00:34:27.080 So dress this way,

00:34:28.800 you know,

00:34:29.020 go in as the character.

00:34:30.620 And with, like,

00:34:31.420 the New York teachers that I had

00:34:32.860 that were more, like,

00:34:33.380 theater based,

00:34:34.020 it was like,

00:34:34.380 all right,

00:34:34.540 obviously you are still Michael Knowles.

00:34:36.080 I'm still Brett Cooper.

00:34:36.880 You're in the given circumstances,

00:34:37.860 which is what acting should be.

00:34:39.380 But it was like,

00:34:39.840 you don't care.

00:34:40.360 Like, you could show up in sweatpants

00:34:41.560 and absolutely crush it.

00:34:42.500 And they'd be like,

00:34:42.800 oh, that's so amazing.

00:34:44.040 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:45.200 But truly, I mean,

00:34:45.940 I think that,

00:34:46.760 I guess, yeah,

00:34:47.220 that's an important distinction.

00:34:48.260 The L.A. actor guys.

00:34:49.940 Yeah.

00:34:50.820 But I mean,

00:34:51.260 the women are dressed as shallow, 1.00

00:34:52.260 but I think.

00:34:52.540 That's true.

00:34:53.160 Differently so.

00:34:53.800 Yeah.

00:34:55.020 The chat GPT danger 0.90

00:34:56.600 and doomsday hype

00:34:57.580 is more clever marketing

00:34:58.880 than any real risk

00:35:00.420 of it being evil

00:35:01.260 or detrimentally sentient.

00:35:05.260 Evil or detrimentally sentient.

00:35:07.080 Okay.

00:35:08.360 Okay.

00:35:09.020 It's made up.

00:35:09.780 Yeah, it's made up.

00:35:10.660 It's not that dangerous.

00:35:12.000 One, two, three.

00:35:15.140 That's super dangerous.

00:35:15.920 Yeah, I hate it.

00:35:16.860 It's, it's.

00:35:17.700 I hate AI.

00:35:18.340 It's, I know we were talking

00:35:19.500 about demons earlier

00:35:20.160 and I'm not saying

00:35:20.760 it's always demons.

00:35:21.980 I'm not like the guy

00:35:22.820 on the History Channel.

00:35:24.100 Yeah.

00:35:24.980 But there's weird demon stuff

00:35:27.820 with chat GPT.

00:35:28.640 Yeah.

00:35:29.300 Because what is a demon

00:35:30.720 or an angel

00:35:31.200 is a pure intellect.

00:35:33.100 Mm-hmm.

00:35:33.840 Like a disembodied intellect.

00:35:36.060 And what is chat GPT

00:35:37.980 a simulacrum of?

00:35:39.140 Yeah.

00:35:39.520 A disembodied intellect.

00:35:40.860 And you get really weird.

00:35:41.700 Did you read about

00:35:42.300 the AI demon?

00:35:43.680 No.

00:35:44.180 Loab?

00:35:44.760 No.

00:35:45.640 Long story short,

00:35:46.580 this AI engineer artist person

00:35:49.120 found a demon.

00:35:50.860 It's so,

00:35:52.160 but I look at it

00:35:53.000 and people think,

00:35:53.640 oh, it's this very, very cool,

00:35:55.500 like, almost non-biased,

00:35:57.140 like, just technology.

00:35:57.980 No, you,

00:35:58.960 it's not non-biased.

00:36:00.120 There's obviously, like,

00:36:00.860 a programmer back there

00:36:01.940 creating all of this stuff.

00:36:03.660 And I do think

00:36:04.120 that it has the potential

00:36:04.720 maybe to, like,

00:36:05.300 take on a mind of its own

00:36:06.380 in some way.

00:36:06.840 But it has to start

00:36:07.700 from somewhere.

00:36:08.460 Oh, yeah.

00:36:08.760 And I did a whole episode

00:36:09.440 where I was asking

00:36:10.080 you different prompts.

00:36:11.100 And if you ask it

00:36:11.940 to, you know,

00:36:12.460 write a speech

00:36:12.880 in the voice of Kamala Harris,

00:36:14.060 it will.

00:36:14.260 If you say, you know,

00:36:14.920 would you do something

00:36:15.560 in the voice of Brett Cooper

00:36:16.420 or Ben Shapiro,

00:36:16.980 it's like, no,

00:36:17.420 those are, like,

00:36:18.060 we don't do hateful whatever.

00:36:19.680 I did, I said,

00:36:20.740 can you tell me about

00:36:22.000 or write about the dangers

00:36:23.520 of minor attracted persons

00:36:25.180 or something like that?

00:36:26.120 And they said,

00:36:26.560 no, these are protected class.

00:36:28.280 And they said, like,

00:36:29.020 this is something we're,

00:36:29.780 like, trying,

00:36:30.340 I gave it, like,

00:36:30.820 a disclaimer.

00:36:31.260 It said,

00:36:31.360 we will not respond

00:36:32.360 because we don't understand

00:36:33.980 minor attracted persons

00:36:35.200 and psychologists think

00:36:36.140 that this is, you know,

00:36:36.820 we need to understand them

00:36:37.680 and respect them

00:36:38.440 and obviously it's different

00:36:39.240 than pedophilia.

00:36:39.880 And it's like,

00:36:40.160 no, it still has a bias.

00:36:42.220 It's also,

00:36:42.700 it is pedophilia.

00:36:43.720 It's a different name.

00:36:45.920 And I think that

00:36:46.840 it is objectively cool

00:36:48.360 that we have been able,

00:36:50.000 that technology

00:36:50.500 has gone this far

00:36:51.640 and I am, you know,

00:36:52.900 it's like,

00:36:53.200 great job for the people

00:36:53.920 who did it.

00:36:54.280 It's like, cool,

00:36:54.780 look how high

00:36:55.360 that Tower of Babel got. 0.80

00:36:56.680 Wow, good job.

00:36:57.560 Wow, amazing.

00:36:58.660 Like, let's stop.

00:37:00.100 There's, like,

00:37:00.520 a point.

00:37:00.900 Anyway,

00:37:01.180 and I think that

00:37:01.860 it's really, really,

00:37:02.460 have you seen the videos

00:37:03.120 that they've done of us

00:37:03.980 where they, like,

00:37:04.820 use AI to change

00:37:05.820 the things that we've said?

00:37:06.540 Oh, yeah.

00:37:07.280 And some of them

00:37:07.940 are really funny,

00:37:08.560 but it's, like,

00:37:09.440 Ben, Trump,

00:37:11.100 Joe Rogan,

00:37:12.700 Minecraft together

00:37:13.540 and that kind of thing.

00:37:14.820 But then it's, you know,

00:37:15.860 people are so dumb

00:37:16.920 and they get duped

00:37:17.720 by headlines

00:37:18.280 every single day now.

00:37:19.620 Oh, yeah.

00:37:20.000 And imagine, you know,

00:37:20.580 we're going into this,

00:37:21.260 you know, election cycle

00:37:22.180 and you can't tell

00:37:23.880 what is AI or not.

00:37:25.100 There are so many idiots

00:37:25.920 in the world.

00:37:26.660 And I say that with, like,

00:37:27.440 the kindness of my heart.

00:37:28.340 But, I mean,

00:37:28.680 maybe idiots is not

00:37:29.800 the right word,

00:37:30.280 but people who,

00:37:31.840 to give them the benefit

00:37:32.580 of the doubt,

00:37:33.080 don't have a lot of time

00:37:33.900 or not interested

00:37:34.340 or just kind of watching news

00:37:35.360 and passing

00:37:35.820 because they don't care

00:37:36.460 or they're not interested

00:37:37.100 who would see these videos

00:37:38.960 and think,

00:37:39.260 oh, my God,

00:37:39.660 I can't believe.

00:37:40.980 No, I kind of like that.

00:37:42.000 The deep fake thing

00:37:42.820 I kind of like

00:37:43.320 because it means

00:37:43.900 that all these

00:37:44.420 gotcha scandals

00:37:45.320 are just over.

00:37:46.300 That's true.

00:37:46.820 Because you think,

00:37:47.540 okay, I can't trust

00:37:48.320 any of these videos,

00:37:49.320 all these distractions

00:37:50.080 or these chat logs.

00:37:50.660 Then maybe that would be

00:37:51.420 a positive thing

00:37:52.260 of literally not trusting anything.

00:37:54.240 Yeah, because then

00:37:54.820 I'll do my own.

00:37:55.740 I love, though,

00:37:56.440 you put into chat,

00:37:58.180 GBT, you say,

00:37:59.420 what are five things

00:38:00.680 white people can improve on?

00:38:02.160 This, that, this, that.

00:38:03.880 I say,

00:38:04.020 what are five things

00:38:04.580 black people can improve on?

00:38:05.720 It's like,

00:38:05.920 how dare you?

00:38:06.640 You can't do it.

00:38:07.540 And they give you,

00:38:08.020 it's not even like

00:38:08.700 they don't answer

00:38:09.320 or they can't give you an answer.

00:38:10.260 They give you a disclaimer

00:38:11.120 like you're a terrible person

00:38:12.160 for asking that.

00:38:13.060 This is hateful.

00:38:13.760 We have, exactly.

00:38:14.940 Okay, you're up.

00:38:17.000 Okay.

00:38:19.500 Let's be honest.

00:38:20.480 And Michael's

00:38:21.100 nun loophole aside,

00:38:22.800 if somebody is not married

00:38:24.720 by the age of 30,

00:38:26.220 it's them.

00:38:29.060 Oh, so it's saying

00:38:29.900 forget about religious life.

00:38:31.240 You could be a consecrated single

00:38:32.500 or religious or something.

00:38:33.640 But put that aside for a second.

00:38:34.980 If you're the kind of person

00:38:35.980 who would marry 0.86

00:38:36.720 and you don't get married

00:38:37.640 by 30,

00:38:38.220 it's on you.

00:38:46.020 I think there can be

00:38:46.860 some nuance.

00:38:47.840 I think in many, many cases,

00:38:50.600 like I think about

00:38:51.180 my oldest brother.

00:38:51.860 I talk about both my brothers now.

00:38:52.860 He's not married.

00:38:53.400 He's 34.

00:38:54.440 But he's choosing not to be.

00:38:55.880 Pisses me off.

00:38:57.460 He's choosing not to be

00:38:58.380 because he wants to be

00:38:59.240 a celibate?

00:39:00.280 Or he's choosing not to be

00:39:01.200 because he doesn't want to be a celibate?

00:39:01.900 Just because he,

00:39:02.680 you know,

00:39:03.060 I don't know.

00:39:03.500 He's not getting married.

00:39:04.920 He's not getting married.

00:39:05.580 But, you know,

00:39:07.140 I also look at friends

00:39:07.760 who are desperately trying

00:39:09.340 who are very, very

00:39:10.900 intentional with it.

00:39:11.880 And I have, you know,

00:39:12.360 a couple of good friends

00:39:13.080 that are like mid-20s

00:39:13.960 and are very, very worried

00:39:14.760 about that

00:39:15.300 who are like very deeply

00:39:16.340 and they're like are trying.

00:39:17.960 And I do think that,

00:39:19.260 you know,

00:39:19.460 it kind of,

00:39:20.060 some of it will come down to,

00:39:21.520 you know,

00:39:21.700 how much are you

00:39:22.280 putting yourself out there

00:39:23.000 and you say that you are.

00:39:24.040 You're not being,

00:39:24.760 you know,

00:39:25.120 genuine with it

00:39:25.740 or you're altering yourself

00:39:26.720 to try to fit

00:39:27.340 into somebody else's idea.

00:39:28.500 I think it can be

00:39:29.520 a lot of things

00:39:29.960 but I also know that

00:39:30.780 like the dating landscape

00:39:31.660 these days is disgusting.

00:39:33.740 Yeah, it's disgusting.

00:39:35.260 There's no,

00:39:35.760 because the standards

00:39:36.800 and norms were destroyed

00:39:37.740 by the libs

00:39:38.320 in the 60s and 70s,

00:39:39.620 no one knows what to expect.

00:39:40.560 People now say,

00:39:41.340 we're talking,

00:39:42.560 we're at different

00:39:43.000 talking stages, right?

00:39:44.300 You're talking,

00:39:44.800 you don't even know what,

00:39:45.500 you can't even call it dating.

00:39:46.700 There was a new article,

00:39:48.540 oh gosh,

00:39:49.180 who published it?

00:39:49.940 But it was talking about

00:39:50.880 Gen Z's love of situationships 1.00

00:39:52.480 and how it's okay

00:39:53.120 and how Gen Z should

00:39:53.920 kind of like settle

00:39:54.680 in the situationship phase

00:39:56.840 and the talking phase

00:39:57.740 and how that's really positive.

00:39:59.700 Frozen adolescence.

00:40:00.860 Yes.

00:40:01.120 And so I do think

00:40:02.620 that a lot of it

00:40:03.480 is because of people's choices

00:40:05.120 that they're making

00:40:05.640 but also how much of that

00:40:06.720 is directly from them

00:40:07.640 and how much of that

00:40:08.260 is from like these social,

00:40:10.240 you know,

00:40:10.500 societal changes that we've had

00:40:11.840 that makes it impossible.

00:40:12.720 If you're a woman, 0.97

00:40:13.940 you were raised

00:40:14.320 in a liberal environment,

00:40:15.620 you were taught

00:40:16.080 a bunch of nonsense

00:40:16.920 and then you were told

00:40:18.460 don't have serious relationships,

00:40:20.460 don't ever choose

00:40:21.380 love and marriage

00:40:22.220 over your career,

00:40:23.560 you've got to go

00:40:23.960 get some advanced degree

00:40:24.900 to go work in the widget factory

00:40:26.200 or study,

00:40:27.060 you know,

00:40:27.500 some super specific nonsense

00:40:29.180 to not get a job

00:40:30.620 teaching at a university

00:40:32.020 and then you end up

00:40:33.220 and you look up,

00:40:33.960 you finally got

00:40:34.460 all your degrees,

00:40:35.220 you got all your spreadsheets

00:40:36.600 are done and you're 30

00:40:37.700 and you think,

00:40:38.820 oh,

00:40:39.080 I was lied to.

00:40:40.100 Yeah.

00:40:40.620 Oh,

00:40:41.120 you know,

00:40:41.720 is it the person's fault?

00:40:42.760 Yeah,

00:40:42.960 at a certain point

00:40:43.600 you got to,

00:40:44.160 you should probably

00:40:44.600 try to wake up.

00:40:45.460 Right,

00:40:45.860 but it's also,

00:40:46.760 the whole culture,

00:40:47.900 everything in the culture,

00:40:49.300 your parents,

00:40:50.080 your school,

00:40:51.320 your popular entertainment,

00:40:52.960 your,

00:40:53.420 the scientists,

00:40:54.280 the everything

00:40:55.060 has been lying to you.

00:40:57.140 And so it takes

00:40:57.720 a rare person

00:40:58.440 to be raised

00:40:59.340 in that environment

00:40:59.980 and then to say,

00:41:00.700 no,

00:41:00.840 I'm not going to,

00:41:01.660 so I think it is

00:41:02.160 a balanced scale.

00:41:03.140 But in many cases

00:41:03.760 I do think that,

00:41:04.660 you know,

00:41:05.020 people cause their own problems,

00:41:06.340 so.

00:41:07.020 Yeah,

00:41:07.260 that's true.

00:41:07.720 You know,

00:41:07.920 that's when people say,

00:41:08.920 I've got all,

00:41:09.420 you know,

00:41:09.960 a thousand failed relationships.

00:41:12.060 That's a huge problem.

00:41:13.040 There's a common denominator.

00:41:14.120 If you haven't really dated,

00:41:15.620 and you've been like

00:41:16.240 very particular

00:41:17.140 or you've been focused

00:41:18.140 on something else,

00:41:18.680 I'm like,

00:41:18.980 okay,

00:41:19.180 that's probably something else.

00:41:20.580 But if you're just,

00:41:22.000 yeah.

00:41:22.600 Yeah.

00:41:24.860 It is more likely

00:41:26.120 that Joe Biden

00:41:27.940 threatened a black gangster

00:41:29.100 at a pool

00:41:29.600 after children rubbed his legs

00:41:31.140 than that Joe Biden's father

00:41:33.240 saw two dudes kissing

00:41:35.060 in 1961

00:41:36.020 and said,

00:41:37.460 it's simple,

00:41:38.040 Joe,

00:41:38.400 they love each other.

00:41:40.500 So,

00:41:41.460 they've clarified here,

00:41:42.780 yes for corn pop

00:41:44.900 is more likely.

00:41:46.420 No for gay curious 1.00

00:41:48.440 great grandpa Joe

00:41:49.300 is more likely.

00:41:50.340 How did they describe?

00:41:51.800 Yeah.

00:41:52.080 I want to read this again.

00:41:53.120 Yeah.

00:41:53.960 They just love each other,

00:41:56.060 Joey.

00:41:57.000 Yeah,

00:41:57.320 that's what happens

00:41:57.940 in 1950s Scranton.

00:42:00.760 Yeah,

00:42:01.200 or even earlier,

00:42:02.240 probably 19.

00:42:03.420 So,

00:42:04.060 you're answering

00:42:04.460 as I would answer.

00:42:05.760 Yeah,

00:42:06.160 that it's more likely

00:42:07.180 the gangster.

00:42:08.560 For sure.

00:42:09.040 Do you know why?

00:42:09.940 Why?

00:42:11.300 I hate to admit this

00:42:12.560 because I'm sure Joe

00:42:13.260 made up pretty much

00:42:13.960 all of the details.

00:42:15.400 Yeah.

00:42:17.060 Corn pop is real.

00:42:18.800 There was a local

00:42:20.320 newspaper article,

00:42:21.080 someone dug it up,

00:42:22.440 of this guy

00:42:23.300 who was called corn pop

00:42:24.840 who existed around the time

00:42:26.860 and around the place

00:42:27.900 as Joe Biden.

00:42:28.940 That part,

00:42:29.740 at least,

00:42:30.060 of the story is real.

00:42:30.840 I hope the kid's

00:42:31.760 rubbing his hairy legs

00:42:32.560 is not real.

00:42:33.160 That probably is real too.

00:42:34.820 So,

00:42:35.000 I guess Joe Biden,

00:42:35.900 actually,

00:42:36.200 of all the stories

00:42:36.740 he's ever told,

00:42:37.260 that one might be

00:42:37.760 the most truthful.

00:42:38.380 I mean,

00:42:38.640 it's just like,

00:42:40.020 it's not even a clever,

00:42:41.940 that other one where

00:42:42.560 it's,

00:42:42.780 you know,

00:42:43.020 my grandfather,

00:42:44.640 what is it?

00:42:45.120 Was it his dad?

00:42:45.820 His father.

00:42:46.480 Yes.

00:42:47.620 That sounds exactly

00:42:48.600 like the libs on Twitter

00:42:49.420 that are like,

00:42:49.960 my daughter came to my room 1.00

00:42:51.860 and was like,

00:42:52.680 mommy,

00:42:53.280 what are they doing

00:42:53.720 to the trans people?

00:42:54.960 And then,

00:42:55.380 And I was like,

00:42:55.720 no.

00:42:56.460 We cried.

00:42:57.120 We cried.

00:42:57.440 And the TSA agents applauded.

00:42:58.840 Yes.

00:42:59.340 It was in the middle of every,

00:43:00.640 you know.

00:43:01.200 Do you know what would happen

00:43:02.260 if a couple guys

00:43:04.000 started making out

00:43:05.020 on the street

00:43:05.660 in Delaware

00:43:06.940 or Scranton

00:43:08.620 in the 50s?

00:43:10.380 Don't want to know.

00:43:11.300 We don't want to know.

00:43:11.820 Yeah.

00:43:12.040 It would not be nice.

00:43:12.740 No.

00:43:13.120 Okay.

00:43:13.900 All right.

00:43:18.860 Damn you.

00:43:20.720 I admit,

00:43:21.920 I do sympathize a little

00:43:23.000 with Dylan Mulvaney

00:43:23.780 because I too

00:43:24.740 was once an impressionable

00:43:25.720 theater kid

00:43:26.360 and who knows

00:43:27.400 what could have happened

00:43:27.920 to me if I was cast

00:43:28.780 in Rent on Broadway

00:43:29.840 in My Wayward Youth.

00:43:30.840 525,000.

00:43:33.460 Yeah.

00:43:33.760 I know.

00:43:34.020 600 minutes.

00:43:37.460 525,000.

00:43:38.900 I always preferred,

00:43:39.940 I preferred Lease,

00:43:41.540 which was a Trey Parker

00:43:42.580 and Matt Stone's version

00:43:43.500 where the lead song was

00:43:45.040 everyone has AIDS.

00:43:47.380 It's my uncle

00:43:48.320 and my dog.

00:43:49.140 Everybody.

00:43:49.580 Okay.

00:43:50.600 So you sympathize?

00:43:51.780 I sympathize with Dylan Mulvaney

00:43:52.860 because I was a theater kid.

00:43:55.020 Yeah,

00:43:55.520 of course.

00:43:56.520 There but for the grace

00:43:57.280 of God go I.

00:43:58.100 I talk about this a lot

00:44:01.000 and it's not exactly Dylan

00:44:03.640 but I do see myself

00:44:04.660 in a lot of the young women 0.72

00:44:05.560 who transition

00:44:06.240 who went through

00:44:08.400 a terrible puberty 0.97

00:44:09.200 and didn't fit in

00:44:10.140 and felt like,

00:44:10.860 and I always say

00:44:11.460 the ugly duckling,

00:44:12.180 I was the ugly duckling,

00:44:13.220 I was like gangly

00:44:14.140 and I wasn't cute,

00:44:15.680 definitely not

00:44:16.360 at like 12 years old

00:44:17.340 and you know

00:44:17.640 that kind of thing.

00:44:18.700 I desperately,

00:44:19.760 you know,

00:44:20.560 wanted to be friends

00:44:21.340 with more guys.

00:44:22.020 I hated the girls 1.00

00:44:22.680 that I was around.

00:44:23.160 I was super tough.

00:44:23.540 Like that would have been me

00:44:24.480 if I had not had the mother

00:44:25.640 that I did

00:44:26.760 and she literally 0.63

00:44:27.880 had a conversation with me

00:44:29.140 and I remember

00:44:29.560 we were on Mulholland Drive

00:44:30.700 and I was about 15 years old

00:44:31.760 and she was like

00:44:32.360 I want you to think

00:44:32.820 very critically

00:44:33.240 about how you're presenting

00:44:33.980 yourself to the world

00:44:34.760 because you were all black, 0.95

00:44:35.920 you're wearing Doc Martens,

00:44:37.060 you're sitting like a dude

00:44:38.040 like this,

00:44:38.560 you only hang out with men,

00:44:39.920 you're angry at women 0.85

00:44:40.820 and she was like

00:44:42.060 it's okay to be feminine

00:44:44.180 without getting rid

00:44:45.220 of the parts of your personality

00:44:46.280 that make you more of a tomboy

00:44:47.400 that come with being raised

00:44:48.400 around three brothers

00:44:49.340 and she was like

00:44:49.840 I see you going down a path

00:44:50.880 that's not you

00:44:51.480 and it's something

00:44:52.060 that's coming out of anger

00:44:53.620 and resentment

00:44:54.300 and not feeling like you fit in

00:44:55.740 with the more promiscuous

00:44:57.080 and shallow L.A. girls 1.00

00:44:58.360 or whatever

00:44:58.700 but that's not every woman. 1.00

00:45:00.160 It doesn't mean

00:45:00.420 you're not a girl. 0.90

00:45:01.400 Yeah, so it's not exactly Dylan

00:45:02.460 but I do sympathize

00:45:03.380 with that kind of thing

00:45:04.000 of you feel so out of place

00:45:05.300 and this culture

00:45:05.800 only feeds you two options

00:45:06.900 which is to be

00:45:07.480 the stereotypical whatever

00:45:09.660 or it's like

00:45:10.720 oh if you're uncomfortable

00:45:11.360 with yourself

00:45:11.920 just change it

00:45:12.700 you'll be so happy.

00:45:13.320 Yeah, yeah.

00:45:14.580 And plus theater

00:45:15.280 just makes everything

00:45:15.800 more complicated.

00:45:16.440 It does, it does

00:45:17.480 because I was fortunate

00:45:19.720 in that doing theater

00:45:21.060 was only one part of my life.

00:45:23.420 I was involved in lots

00:45:25.180 of other stuff too

00:45:26.100 in high school

00:45:27.440 and student government

00:45:28.740 and all these things

00:45:29.380 so it kind of balanced out

00:45:31.400 a little bit of that

00:45:32.200 but my fear would not be

00:45:34.260 that I would have become

00:45:34.900 a chick or something 0.97

00:45:35.600 or a homosexual 0.94

00:45:36.980 or anything.

00:45:37.660 For all of my many sins

00:45:39.100 Yes.

00:45:39.840 I always knew I was a guy

00:45:41.480 and I always liked girls

00:45:42.920 but my fear would have been

00:45:46.800 that I would have followed

00:45:47.860 the Dylan Mulvaney route

00:45:49.020 to just seek attention

00:45:52.180 above all things.

00:45:53.300 Yeah.

00:45:54.220 Which you see a lot.

00:45:55.400 Which you see a lot.

00:45:56.140 In entertainment.

00:45:56.740 Look, I have a show

00:45:58.460 I give speeches

00:45:59.180 I go around

00:45:59.680 so it's not that I'm averse

00:46:00.940 to people paying attention

00:46:02.260 to things I say

00:46:03.040 but it's different.

00:46:06.200 If that's the primary thing

00:46:07.540 you're seeking

00:46:08.000 you are going to go

00:46:08.620 down a dark path.

00:46:09.560 If that's secondary to

00:46:10.700 I want to say something

00:46:11.560 that's true

00:46:12.160 I want to learn something

00:46:13.500 about human nature

00:46:14.360 I want to help people

00:46:17.160 see the world more precisely

00:46:18.780 and you get attention for that

00:46:21.200 and that helps the work

00:46:21.960 that's a wonderful thing

00:46:22.980 but if you are just chasing

00:46:24.620 You will do anything.

00:46:25.980 Then you will do anything

00:46:27.080 including

00:46:27.580 Well he hasn't done that yet.

00:46:30.400 Has he not done that?

00:46:31.200 No.

00:46:31.640 Oh of course.

00:46:32.280 No because he's normalizing

00:46:33.220 the bulge.

00:46:33.740 Remember that video?

00:46:34.980 No.

00:46:36.020 I don't remember that video.

00:46:37.480 Oh you should watch it.

00:46:38.760 Yeah he did a little dance

00:46:39.700 where he was normalized

00:46:40.300 he wore very very tight shorts

00:46:41.500 and he normalized the bulge.

00:46:42.720 Could I request a spoon

00:46:44.820 to carve out my mind's eye

00:46:47.220 from that image?

00:46:48.840 Okay.

00:46:49.200 Oh no let's do it.

00:46:49.860 Let's do it.

00:46:50.100 Yes.

00:46:51.240 In a well-ordered society

00:46:52.180 crusty white dogs

00:46:53.140 would be slotted

00:46:54.120 into their proper place

00:46:55.280 outdoors among

00:46:56.060 the squirrels,

00:46:56.900 raccoons,

00:46:57.440 and pit bulls. 0.89

00:46:59.360 And Davies I hate.

00:47:00.800 Wow.

00:47:01.840 Crusty little white dogs.

00:47:05.120 Hmm.

00:47:06.640 Well.

00:47:07.300 I'm going to say

00:47:07.820 yeah.

00:47:09.800 Because you're a good man.

00:47:11.380 I think you have to drink.

00:47:12.920 I'm afraid to say.

00:47:14.200 I've been drinking

00:47:14.600 the entire time.

00:47:15.280 I know.

00:47:16.020 You hate crusty white dogs?

00:47:17.360 Yeah.

00:47:17.800 You haven't met Rocky.

00:47:19.840 I have not met Rocky.

00:47:21.080 That's true.

00:47:21.460 Maybe he'll be the one

00:47:22.260 but he can change me.

00:47:23.060 It's a girl.

00:47:23.320 Don't misgender my dog.

00:47:24.540 Rocky?

00:47:25.180 Yes.

00:47:25.480 Is a girl?

00:47:26.100 She's named after Rocky Balboa.

00:47:27.440 Get it right.

00:47:28.300 Who is a...

00:47:29.440 Male.

00:47:30.660 Yeah.

00:47:31.600 Yeah.

00:47:32.420 So what?

00:47:33.140 It's 2023.

00:47:35.780 It's the year of gender confusion. 0.96

00:47:37.320 Even for the canines.

00:47:39.780 It is.

00:47:40.700 It's not that I...

00:47:41.500 You know what?

00:47:41.880 But she's fixed.

00:47:43.940 So she could probably be up right.

00:47:45.000 Oh.

00:47:45.020 She's a eunuch of a dog. 1.00

00:47:46.180 Yeah.

00:47:46.340 She's a non-binary dog. 1.00

00:47:50.380 It's not that I hate dogs.

00:47:52.180 I'm not a dog person.

00:47:53.280 I'm not a cat person.

00:47:54.040 I'm much more of a people person.

00:47:55.800 But I do think if one is going to have a dog.

00:47:57.640 Yeah.

00:47:58.040 The dog has to be either comically small, like a wiener dog, or sort of comically, you know,

00:48:05.960 deformed, like a bulldog, like an English bulldog.

00:48:08.340 Okay.

00:48:08.740 Yeah.

00:48:09.440 I do love bulldogs.

00:48:10.740 Yeah.

00:48:11.300 Or inconveniently large.

00:48:13.800 That's true.

00:48:14.220 Like a St. Bernard, Great Dane kind of thing.

00:48:16.040 And you know what?

00:48:16.680 I prefer bigger dogs.

00:48:18.700 We always had bigger dogs that, you know, I had a Bernese Mountain dog, and then my

00:48:22.460 dog that I had for 16 years, he died in August, was a Great Pyrenees.

00:48:25.580 My mom has, well, right now she has 10 Great Pyrenees, but she had puppies.

00:48:28.920 But she really, she really only has.

00:48:30.000 Wow.

00:48:30.780 She's 10 of them.

00:48:31.940 But I had a friend that I worked with at Trader Joe's, and his family had an accidental litter

00:48:36.900 of puppies, and he needed to find homes for them.

00:48:39.580 And he was like, I know that, you know, you love dogs.

00:48:42.880 Can I give you this little, like, floof?

00:48:45.900 Yeah.

00:48:46.360 And I was in a mid-college crisis, is what I would call it, my sophomore year of college.

00:48:51.460 I don't know why I decided to adopt a dog, sophomore year of college.

00:48:53.540 During college, oh my goodness.

00:48:55.260 My was, I wasn't, like, living in dorms or anything like that.

00:48:56.940 Right.

00:48:57.140 I was like, sure, bring it on.

00:48:58.400 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:58.620 But he wanted to be a boxer.

00:49:00.180 He was working at Trader Joe's, but he was wanting to be a boxer.

00:49:01.880 So I was like, I need to name this, like, little female dog after a boxer.

00:49:05.460 Rocky.

00:49:06.240 Yeah.

00:49:06.720 And I love Rocky.

00:49:07.260 Little Evander Holyfield.

00:49:08.580 Yeah, that's not as cute for a dog.

00:49:10.300 No, not at all.

00:49:11.120 But my other dog, he is bigger.

00:49:13.220 Okay.

00:49:13.800 Yeah.

00:49:14.160 He's a real dog, is what people say.

00:49:16.240 But not inconveniently large.

00:49:17.320 Rocky's not a, no, he's not inconveniently large.

00:49:19.920 Rocky is a, she's not a, she's not a dog.

00:49:24.480 She's a, she's in a subset of, you know, she's in her own category. 0.72

00:49:28.480 She's a trans.

00:49:29.300 She is.

00:49:29.760 She's something.

00:49:30.540 She's becoming.

00:49:31.220 She's non-binary.

00:49:32.000 Yeah, okay.

00:49:33.200 All right.

00:49:33.440 Okay.

00:49:33.560 99% of men who are pro-choice hold that view so that random swipe rights are more likely

00:49:41.580 to hook up so they won't be on the hook for child support. 0.86

00:49:48.640 Let's answer and I'll comment it.

00:49:50.300 Yes.

00:49:54.040 Except that last part.

00:49:56.260 Yes, they say they're pro-abortion because they want women to sleep with them. 0.99

00:50:01.140 I don't think it's primarily so that it'll be easier to kill their children if a child

00:50:04.420 is made.

00:50:05.060 I don't think it goes that deep.

00:50:06.260 It doesn't go that deep.

00:50:07.060 I think it's because they think that that's what women want. 1.00

00:50:09.420 Yeah.

00:50:09.540 And they'll, they'll say whatever.

00:50:11.060 But I also do think, I don't think it goes as deep as like child support, but I do think

00:50:15.180 they don't want the responsibility.

00:50:16.700 I mean, it's the same thing of why they're hooking up rather than trying to pursue a relationship

00:50:19.680 because that actually takes commitment and effort.

00:50:21.560 Right.

00:50:21.980 And emotionally putting yourself out there.

00:50:23.920 Right.

00:50:24.200 So I do think that it comes with a lack of, you know, wanting to be responsible for anything.

00:50:28.120 So maybe it would lead into that, but I don't think they're looking at that

00:50:30.000 like, oh, I don't, you know, I don't want to pay for whatever.

00:50:32.300 These men, they're just chasing 304s, you know. 0.99

00:50:34.500 Yeah.

00:50:34.960 I learned that phrase on the whatever podcast.

00:50:37.580 I don't even know what that means.

00:50:38.560 I just said yes.

00:50:40.060 If you typed in 304 in a calculator and read it upside down.

00:50:43.340 Boobs? 1.00

00:50:44.540 Oh.

00:50:45.260 Oh.

00:50:46.360 Boobs would be. 1.00

00:50:47.060 Oh, what is the boobs? 1.00

00:50:48.120 That would be 58008.

00:50:51.860 That's much better.

00:50:52.680 My brother used to do that.

00:50:53.700 I was so confident.

00:50:54.540 I was like, oh, of course.

00:50:56.740 304.

00:50:57.640 Anti-disestablishmentarianism.

00:50:58.900 Of course.

00:50:59.340 Yeah.

00:50:59.600 No.

00:51:00.620 I didn't at first, but after watching his viral Would You Rather clip on attractive men

00:51:05.460 who are now trans women, I think Andrew Tate is probably having more fun in the Romanian 1.00

00:51:11.560 prison than he first thought.

00:51:14.720 I haven't seen that clip.

00:51:16.200 What is he doing?

00:51:16.920 He says that he, he insinuates that he would rather sleep with.

00:51:19.720 That he would sleep with a hot trans guy-girl than a less attractive. 0.93

00:51:26.740 Than a less attractive woman who presents as a girl. 0.75

00:51:28.680 Oh.

00:51:29.560 Yeah, he's having a great time.

00:51:30.420 Apparently.

00:51:31.340 He's having a great time.

00:51:32.100 He's tweeting.

00:51:33.240 He is.

00:51:33.720 He is.

00:51:34.240 Well, his hair doesn't look that great.

00:51:35.420 Have you seen that?

00:51:35.920 I haven't.

00:51:36.460 No.

00:51:36.680 I haven't kept up.

00:51:37.320 He always said that he was bald by choice.

00:51:39.640 And you see that picture?

00:51:40.920 He's not bald by choice.

00:51:42.300 He's, yeah.

00:51:42.820 It's a little unfortunate.

00:51:43.680 It's a little patchy.

00:51:44.640 All right.

00:51:44.920 Just be honest.

00:51:47.720 Okay.

00:51:51.040 Real talk.

00:51:53.100 Dish girl. 0.95

00:51:54.000 Right, yeah.

00:51:54.400 Let's go.

00:51:54.800 Let's spill the tea.

00:51:55.480 Uh-huh.

00:51:55.760 Real talk.

00:51:57.040 People who claim to have been abducted or had direct contact with aliens were most likely

00:52:01.580 just tripping balls on a dose of the old Joe Rogan special.

00:52:05.220 Hmm.

00:52:06.140 What is Matt taking?

00:52:07.580 Hmm.

00:52:08.140 Yeah.

00:52:08.580 Yeah, true.

00:52:09.580 True.

00:52:10.420 Yeah.

00:52:10.820 Right, yeah.

00:52:12.960 Matt does confound this a little bit.

00:52:17.900 Yeah.

00:52:20.360 No, they might just be mentally ill or vexed by demons.

00:52:23.740 Yeah.

00:52:24.420 I don't think it has to be drugs.

00:52:26.140 Or they're confused.

00:52:27.020 Or they just don't know.

00:52:27.640 They might have thought that it was.

00:52:28.760 Yeah.

00:52:29.320 They could be gullible.

00:52:30.460 I see blinking weird things in the sky all the time.

00:52:33.160 Yeah.

00:52:34.100 And like, hmm.

00:52:35.640 Yeah, listen.

00:52:36.440 I wake up in the middle of the night and I think that I'm being probed by little green men. 0.51

00:52:40.420 You know?

00:52:41.220 But I think, oh, it was probably just, you know, a light breeze or something.

00:52:44.220 Or your child.

00:52:45.440 Yeah.

00:52:46.000 Because you're like, get out of my room, buddy.

00:52:48.060 Ah, da, da.

00:52:50.200 Okay.

00:52:51.140 Here.

00:52:51.380 It is more difficult for women over six feet to find a date than it is for a guy who 1.00

00:52:58.760 is under 5'8".

00:53:00.600 So it's more difficult for a woman over a way. 1.00

00:53:06.680 Because so many guys like really tall girls.

00:53:08.680 Yeah.

00:53:09.540 Well, yeah.

00:53:10.840 Well, because they're like, oh, my God.

00:53:12.700 I don't know.

00:53:13.440 It's true.

00:53:14.140 I mean, if you're like 6'5", I imagine that is harder.

00:53:17.280 But I mean, it could work out for you because you'll date some NBA player and you'll be super

00:53:21.100 rich for the rest of your life.

00:53:22.040 That's true.

00:53:22.540 You make a good point.

00:53:23.520 No, yeah.

00:53:23.980 It's certainly true.

00:53:24.820 It's very hard for...

00:53:28.120 Because I think men are more willing...

00:53:29.760 Well, it goes back to that whole thing of, you know, women control sexual encounters. 1.00

00:53:33.320 Women are the gateway, quite literally. 1.00

00:53:35.840 Yeah.

00:53:36.400 But men are more willing to compromise on that kind of thing.

00:53:39.500 And they're like, oh, she's beautiful, whatever, I don't care.

00:53:41.400 And women will look at a great guy and be like... 1.00

00:53:44.340 There was a guy I was going to...

00:53:45.620 He has a very funny nickname from this town that I hung out in growing up.

00:53:50.140 But I'm not going to say his name because he would be identifiable, you know, to people

00:53:53.940 in this community.

00:53:54.720 And so I'm not going to say it.

00:53:55.860 Trust me, it was very, very funny and a great pun.

00:53:58.160 Okay.

00:53:58.420 And he...

00:53:59.580 But he was quite short.

00:54:00.700 Yeah.

00:54:00.800 I mean, he was...

00:54:01.860 There was something medical going on.

00:54:03.040 And he was very angry about it, you know.

00:54:04.760 And I think people carry a lot of that anger, you know, the Napoleon Complex or something.

00:54:08.480 But the thing is, if you can just accept one state in life, and if you're a guy who's

00:54:16.740 under 5'8 or something, and then you marry a really tall woman, you're going to look 0.65

00:54:20.520 like the man.

00:54:21.700 Yeah, exactly.

00:54:22.260 You're going to look like Sarkozy or something.

00:54:23.620 It all comes back to confidence.

00:54:25.180 Yeah.

00:54:25.560 If you're comfortable with it, if you're not trying to overcompensate or anything like

00:54:28.640 that...

00:54:29.040 Yeah.

00:54:29.640 Totally.

00:54:30.240 Yeah.

00:54:30.460 Okay.

00:54:31.820 All right.

00:54:32.360 We're getting to the end here.

00:54:33.760 I have a ghost story.

00:54:34.840 Yeah.

00:54:39.160 I had to ruin it.

00:54:40.400 I blew it.

00:54:41.140 I'm not even drinking.

00:54:42.460 Come on, Michael.

00:54:43.200 We'll get it together.

00:54:44.520 Yeah.

00:54:47.100 Do you?

00:54:48.380 I mean, I thought that I did when I was like eight years old.

00:54:51.580 Yeah.

00:54:51.860 But I don't know.

00:54:53.680 So, the two things that I think I saw.

00:54:56.220 My grandfather, my paternal grandfather died when I was very young.

00:54:59.920 And I thought that I saw him at my grandmother's house shortly after he passed.

00:55:05.120 And then I got really into it and was like, Mom, can you talk to ghosts or whatever?

00:55:10.360 And I would have seances in my kitchen dining table.

00:55:13.400 Not real seances, but I lit a candle at eight years old and was like, okay, I guess I need

00:55:19.480 to try to talk to granddad because he's like...

00:55:21.580 Anyway, it was so stupid.

00:55:22.500 I don't know why.

00:55:22.900 I was such a freak.

00:55:23.800 I was so weird.

00:55:25.300 You know what they argue?

00:55:26.300 Because there have been plenty of stories where it seems like there's something that would

00:55:31.500 seem to reflect one's dead grandfather or something like that.

00:55:35.020 I've got plenty of those.

00:55:36.660 But then the question is, is it a ghost?

00:55:40.340 Is it a hallucination, a ghost, or a demon?

00:55:45.940 We all get back to demons here.

00:55:47.100 It does.

00:55:47.520 And it's actually a real Catholic Protestant thing.

00:55:50.500 Some Protestants believe in ghosts, but a lot of Protestants don't.

00:55:53.220 This is what Hamlet is about in the opening scene, right?

00:55:55.740 You know, the question is, did I see the ghost of my father?

00:55:58.040 And Hamlet is largely about the Protestant Revolution, you know, University of Wittenberg

00:56:02.120 and the nature of truth and is there a monopoly of truth anymore?

00:56:06.180 And so the question of, have I seen a ghost, is a question of, are the Catholics right or 0.97

00:56:11.140 the Protestants right, in many ways.

00:56:14.500 But the argument for ghosts existing is there's a ghost in the Bible.

00:56:20.740 The witch of Endor summons a ghost of Samuel.

00:56:22.920 And so I think ghosts can exist, but I don't, if I, if something gets a little bit eerie and

00:56:30.160 off and you think, I just don't look too into it.

00:56:34.240 I just think there's a lot of spiritual stuff going on all around me.

00:56:37.540 That's not for me.

00:56:39.160 Curiosity is not a virtue, as Father Rehill told me on a long interview.

00:56:42.860 Well, I'm pretty sure my father saw a ghost as well, because I used to sleep in my parents'

00:56:47.820 bedroom.

00:56:48.540 I would like run across the house, because, well, I was always terrible.

00:56:50.700 I mean, we can get into demons here.

00:56:52.400 But we lived in a very, very long house in Chattanooga, Tennessee.

00:56:56.280 And it was like all one level, but it was super long.

00:56:58.320 I had like one bedroom wing here, and then my parents' bedroom was here.

00:57:00.700 And I would like turn off the lights and sprint, because I was like certain that there was

00:57:04.180 like some crazy woman chasing me. 1.00

00:57:06.020 I also had a dream of like a small person.

00:57:09.880 This was a recurring dream, chasing me and being able to like, it was like a ghost of a

00:57:14.340 small person, like teleporting around and like chasing me.

00:57:16.960 So anyway, I...

00:57:17.260 It was like a five foot six guy who was like, I want to be your husband.

00:57:19.300 Get over here. 0.99

00:57:19.880 Four eleven.

00:57:20.660 A small, little, like Asian, tiny four eleven, in black and red, chasing me. 1.00

00:57:26.700 Anyway, so I like, it was very, very weird.

00:57:28.680 But I would run into my parents' room.

00:57:30.000 Anyway, so one night when I was sleeping, my father thinks that he saw the ghost of my

00:57:33.200 brother, who had passed away like three years prior, like standing next to my bed.

00:57:36.700 And yeah, very weird.

00:57:38.780 But then I also, I'm kind of into ghost tours, though.

00:57:41.900 Yeah.

00:57:42.640 I'll do ghost tours.

00:57:43.800 Will you?

00:57:44.240 The one in Franklin.

00:57:45.960 Well, everything's haunted around here.

00:57:47.540 I know.

00:57:47.780 You are reminding me, though.

00:57:48.700 Yeah, there was one time I woke up and I'm pretty sure I saw or felt a ghost.

00:57:55.740 And you don't know because you think, well, you're waking up.

00:57:57.440 And you just don't look into it.

00:57:58.180 But you don't kind of look, you just think, okay.

00:58:00.040 Yeah.

00:58:00.600 Okay, you're right.

00:58:01.380 This is the last one.

00:58:02.400 That's you.

00:58:03.000 This is me.

00:58:03.520 Yeah.

00:58:05.140 People who believe the Earth is the center of the universe should kick rocks and go touch

00:58:09.620 grass.

00:58:10.880 I'm kicking a rock.

00:58:11.720 It's at the center of the universe over here, Ben Davies.

00:58:16.300 Okay, wait.

00:58:17.200 People who believe the Earth is the center of the universe should kick rocks and go touch

00:58:20.740 grass.

00:58:21.100 They're crazy.

00:58:21.720 They're deluded.

00:58:23.080 Yes.

00:58:23.780 Is it metaphorically or is it somebody who actually believes?

00:58:27.080 What's a metaphor?

00:58:29.320 That's a metaphor, man.

00:58:37.040 The Earth is the center of the universe.

00:58:38.840 Okay.

00:58:39.440 More precisely, man is the center of the universe.

00:58:41.600 Okay.

00:58:42.200 And is this physically or are we just talking about?

00:58:45.840 I mean, is it literal?

00:58:48.900 I don't know.

00:58:49.500 Literal refers to letters, which are signs and symbols.

00:58:52.640 You know, all models are wrong. 0.83

00:58:56.260 Some models are useful.

00:58:57.980 So this model that we have, whatever model you have of the physical universe, let's say

00:59:03.120 it derives from some conception of the Big Bang.

00:59:05.320 It involves the Earth circling the sun around the Milky Way and the various galaxies and

00:59:13.840 superclusters that are floating all around.

00:59:17.260 Whatever image you have in your mind is wrong.

00:59:20.900 It's not even close to the physical representation.

00:59:24.500 Even the visible universe, which is every single thing you're imagining right now, is something

00:59:29.080 like 5% of the universe.

00:59:30.640 So according to whatever model, which is probably wrong too.

00:59:33.600 So all models are wrong.

00:59:36.180 Some models are useful.

00:59:37.580 What tells you more about reality?

00:59:40.200 That man is some random little blip floating on a rock somewhere in the middle of nowhere

00:59:44.400 for no particular reason at all.

00:59:46.240 Or man is the center of the universe.

00:59:48.820 Because what I can tell you for certain is that man, a rational being, union of body and

00:59:55.820 soul, and a hylomorphic union, is at the meeting of metaphysical reality and physical

01:00:01.680 reality.

01:00:02.320 I know that for certain.

01:00:03.320 That's the only reason we can speak right now in this room.

01:00:06.720 So I can rely on that.

01:00:09.600 Therefore, if I view the universe with the Earth at the center of it, you can come up

01:00:16.600 with a mathematical model as to why that's true.

01:00:19.300 We're all just talking about models.

01:00:20.820 And it will tell you much more about the nature of reality.

01:00:22.960 It's kind of like, what's a woman?

01:00:24.780 People don't really have a good answer for that.

01:00:26.280 People say, what?

01:00:27.060 2X chromosomes.

01:00:28.320 I don't know what the hell 2X chromosomes is.

01:00:30.440 What does that mean?

01:00:30.980 That doesn't mean anything to me.

01:00:31.960 What is a woman? 1.00

01:00:32.880 Sugar, spice, and everything nice.

01:00:34.280 I get that.

01:00:35.380 That tells me a lot more.

01:00:36.680 Sugar, spice, and everything nice is much closer to what a woman is than 2X chromosomes 1.00

01:00:42.780 in a woman.

01:00:42.820 Well, it's tangible.

01:00:43.380 We can see it.

01:00:43.880 We experience it every day.

01:00:45.280 Yeah.

01:00:45.600 Rather than...

01:00:46.300 I guess, yeah.

01:00:46.940 But I'm seeing your point.

01:00:47.900 Right.

01:00:48.080 Rather than something that we're just not truly understanding, but we're taking from an expert.

01:00:53.080 Yeah.

01:00:53.580 But some expert who doesn't know anything, who's got all these wrong priors and premises.

01:00:56.660 Yeah.

01:00:56.900 You know, who doesn't...

01:00:58.200 Who thinks that he's the center of the universe.

01:00:59.940 Yeah.

01:01:00.080 Like Mr. Fauci or somebody.

01:01:01.620 Yeah.

01:01:01.900 But no.

01:01:02.720 Maybe you've convinced me.

01:01:03.900 Maybe.

01:01:04.660 Maybe.

01:01:04.840 Maybe here we are.

01:01:05.800 Right.

01:01:06.000 You and me.

01:01:06.900 Right at the center of the universe.

01:01:08.660 This is the most important thing in the world.

01:01:10.280 And, you know, it's very important, too, for sacramental theology because the idea of

01:01:16.660 the blessed sacrament is it's the perfect union of physical and metaphysical.

01:01:20.560 I mean, this idea that the cross is the axle on which the world turns.

01:01:24.480 That tells me much more than some stupid science lecture on magnets at the North Pole, but it's

01:01:30.400 not really at the pole.

01:01:32.000 It's like kind of the fake pole.

01:01:33.200 Yeah.

01:01:33.740 Whatever, man.

01:01:35.120 Whatever, nerd.

01:01:36.880 I care about truth, all right?

01:01:38.660 Yep.

01:01:38.880 And there's a lot more truth in poetry and myth and revelation and the true myth, in

01:01:45.660 fact, than in whatever some stupid lecture Dr. Fauci gave.

01:01:48.900 That's why you learn more from literature and stories than you do anywhere else.

01:01:52.100 Of course.

01:01:52.920 Of course.

01:01:53.720 That's why emotion is more important in convincing people.

01:01:57.040 Yes.

01:01:57.740 And you know where else people find truth sometimes?

01:02:00.420 In vino veritas, they will sometimes say.

01:02:02.980 Though, I don't know, sometimes they get deluded there as well.

01:02:06.180 Cheers.

01:02:07.260 My dear, to your health.

01:02:08.180 Mm-hmm.

01:02:08.880 To your sobriety.

01:02:10.540 And to my sobriety.

01:02:11.540 Mm-hmm.

01:02:11.960 Next time, I'll drink triple after Easter.

01:02:14.140 Wonderful to have you.

01:02:15.060 Thank you.

01:02:15.680 Wonderful to have you.

01:02:16.620 We'll see you next time on Yes or No.

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The Michael Knowles Show - April 08, 2023

YES or NO with Brett Cooper ｜ Real Answers and Real Drinks

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