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00:00:37.740 It is perfectly acceptable to abandon your wife and children on a weekend

00:00:42.720 to do a four-hour podcast with a couple of dudes while enjoying cigars and whiskey.

00:00:49.400 Of course it is, or we wouldn't have done it.

00:00:52.500 Who would suggest otherwise?

00:00:56.980 Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Yes or No Game.

00:01:14.020 We have a very, very special guest this week.

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00:01:51.980 Now, this game is a real special mash-up

00:01:54.780 because this game is usually martinis with Michael.

00:01:57.060 It will be mashed up with pints with Aquinas.

00:01:59.940 And my friend, Matt Fradd.

00:02:01.460 Matt, thank you for coming on the show.

00:02:02.700 Thank you for having me.

00:02:03.820 So, you are a very well-known Catholic podcaster.

00:02:07.860 And people might be wondering why my martini looks so strange.

00:02:13.840 It is because it is the Lenten season.

00:02:17.840 And I've decided this Lent, I'm going to,

00:02:20.280 for the first time in my life since I was 18,

00:02:22.660 I'm going to try to reduce the booze intake.

00:02:25.640 And so you are going to have to drink enough for the two of us.

00:02:28.300 Okay.

00:02:28.760 You have a flight to miss.

00:02:30.060 So don't worry.

00:02:30.760 We've got plenty of cards for that.

00:02:31.980 All right.

00:02:33.100 Usually, we begin, if it's a woman playing,

00:02:35.600 I let the lady go first.

00:02:36.540 You're a man, so I will go first.

00:02:37.940 Okay.

00:02:38.240 And then you have to guess how I would answer the question.

00:02:41.540 All right.

00:02:41.840 And then you move my drink,

00:02:43.520 which is a delicious fruity spindrift.

00:02:45.880 Mm-hmm.

00:02:46.260 Would be much harder to give up than the booze, frankly.

00:02:48.700 It's so delightful.

00:02:50.200 It's like millennial ambrosia.

00:02:52.580 You will move that to where you think I would guess.

00:02:55.440 I will move yours to where I think you would guess.

00:02:57.640 And then we find out.

00:02:59.080 If you lose, you have to drink.

00:03:00.580 If you win, you get to drink.

00:03:02.800 First question.

00:03:04.280 Star Wars, Harry Potter, and the Lord of the Rings

00:03:08.140 are all basically the same.

00:03:10.760 Oh.

00:03:13.820 Okay.

00:03:14.460 So I would hope that you would say no.

00:03:18.100 And I likewise would assume you would say no.

00:03:22.020 No.

00:03:22.940 Lord of the Rings.

00:03:23.620 It depends what you mean by basically.

00:03:25.080 If by basically, you mean is it a story?

00:03:27.360 Well, then yes, it's basically the same.

00:03:29.320 Do nerds really like all of them?

00:03:32.260 Yes.

00:03:32.980 Mm-hmm.

00:03:33.920 But that's where the similarities end.

00:03:35.240 Yeah.

00:03:35.400 Is there kind of messianic components in each?

00:03:38.240 Yes.

00:03:39.180 But Lord of the Rings is Christian.

00:03:42.720 It was written by a very famous Catholic, Tolkien.

00:03:45.240 Star Wars is some kind of Sufi, vaguely Muslim kind of thing, maybe.

00:03:50.080 And Harry Potter is for witches.

00:03:52.500 Hmm.

00:03:52.640 I started reading Harry Potter on my summer trip because I've never been terribly convinced

00:03:57.760 by the Christian argument that it's demonic.

00:03:59.880 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:00.320 And I thought it was quite a charming read.

00:04:02.240 Yeah.

00:04:02.700 But the Lord of the Rings is absolute poetry.

00:04:06.380 I mean.

00:04:06.760 Can I make a confession?

00:04:07.780 Yeah.

00:04:09.180 I got through like 200 pages.

00:04:11.160 Of what?

00:04:11.900 Lord of the Rings.

00:04:12.920 Wow.

00:04:13.400 With The Hobbit, I tried.

00:04:14.500 I went to the movie.

00:04:15.840 I said, I'm going to watch one of the movies.

00:04:17.120 I went to the second movie when it hit theaters.

00:04:18.960 I walked out.

00:04:19.520 But they were in the woods for so long.

00:04:21.620 I said, it's so boring.

00:04:22.420 Well, you know what's funny?

00:04:23.100 I remember trying to watch the movies later on in life.

00:04:26.180 And this was after I had become addicted to TV shows like 24, which is incredibly fast-paced.

00:04:31.560 And then I tried watching The Fellowship of the Ring.

00:04:33.700 And I'm like, what is happening?

00:04:35.140 Why?

00:04:35.380 Where's the clock counting down?

00:04:37.240 This is.

00:04:37.960 I know.

00:04:38.320 No, but the books are amazing.

00:04:39.880 I know.

00:04:40.580 I'm really surprised.

00:04:41.520 I know.

00:04:41.860 I take your word for it.

00:04:42.720 You know it's your problem.

00:04:43.640 I know it's my problem.

00:04:44.100 You know it's not Tolkien's problem.

00:04:44.920 Yes, that's right.

00:04:45.640 Okay, so I guess we get to drink.

00:04:47.240 This is weird.

00:04:48.260 Okay.

00:04:48.760 It's hard.

00:04:49.240 I'm not saying it's easy.

00:04:50.080 Cheers.

00:04:50.300 I asked your assistant for the cheapest bourbon imaginable.

00:04:53.180 Do you know what they got?

00:04:54.500 I don't know.

00:04:55.300 Hopefully.

00:04:56.160 All bourbon tastes identical.

00:04:57.580 It's so weird.

00:04:58.200 When I have Drew come in.

00:04:59.900 Oh, that's quite nice.

00:05:00.700 Is it?

00:05:01.180 Okay.

00:05:02.500 Maybe I could get behind me.

00:05:04.840 When we have Drew come in, Drew requests scotch.

00:05:08.200 And for him, only the top shelf will do.

00:05:10.780 With the cigars, only the top shelf will do.

00:05:12.620 You're much more down to earth.

00:05:14.520 Your question.

00:05:15.560 Okay.

00:05:17.500 G'day.

00:05:17.900 G'day is an abomination to the English language and should be thrown out with other terms

00:05:23.280 like prolly, no cap, and intersectionality.

00:05:28.420 That's excellent.

00:05:29.820 Wow.

00:05:30.020 Is G'day an abomination to the English language?

00:05:34.760 Oh, no.

00:05:35.020 I have to...

00:05:35.400 Do I have to guess for you?

00:05:36.140 You have to guess for me.

00:05:37.360 I think you might say yes.

00:05:39.760 Because there's not...

00:05:41.200 But I don't know.

00:05:41.700 No, I think it's a delightful colloquialism.

00:05:46.420 Okay.

00:05:46.640 I rather...

00:05:47.740 And when I think of all the other examples, some of which you cited there, but many others

00:05:52.600 as well, I think G'day is far from our worst problem.

00:05:56.980 And frankly, these days, if someone is speaking the English language at all, I'm grateful.

00:06:01.320 I'll take what I can get.

00:06:02.280 You've got...

00:06:02.980 Even the conservatives here in America are giving their State of the Union response

00:06:06.860 in Spanish.

00:06:07.740 Uh-huh.

00:06:08.540 I think...

00:06:08.860 Oh.

00:06:09.160 Well, there's very little to unite us in America in the broader Anglosphere.

00:06:13.660 I think it'd be nice to have the same...

00:06:15.060 Yeah, basically.

00:06:15.840 Nailfish.

00:06:16.460 It'd be nice to have at least a language.

00:06:17.460 But that's a good point.

00:06:18.080 I never heard that argument.

00:06:19.100 Like, if I'm not okay with prolly, why am I okay with G'day?

00:06:22.360 And I think it has a pedigree.

00:06:24.580 It has more of a history perhaps.

00:06:26.080 Of course.

00:06:26.660 I love etymology.

00:06:28.720 I'm really into etymology and the development of language.

00:06:32.080 And sometimes...

00:06:32.740 Language is going to develop, right?

00:06:34.660 But sometimes it takes a turn that's charming and beautiful and poetic.

00:06:38.520 And sometimes you get bad stuff.

00:06:41.500 No cap, no cap.

00:06:42.420 Real.

00:06:42.980 Okay.

00:06:43.460 So now what?

00:06:43.920 So now you have to drink.

00:06:44.860 I have to drink.

00:06:45.480 I simply get...

00:06:46.160 You can drink it if you like, yeah.

00:06:51.240 I'm going to have the shakes by the end of the show, by the way.

00:06:53.680 Usually the shakes go away by the end of the show.

00:06:55.760 And now I'm just going to have the tremors far more.

00:06:57.860 Because you need the alcohol.

00:06:58.780 I need the alcohol.

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00:08:08.460 In the year of our Lord, 2023, I have more in common with a practicing Muslim than I do with someone practicing woke liberalism.

00:08:18.040 Oh, wow.

00:08:19.580 This is one of those questions that I'd hate to get wrong.

00:08:22.420 And I'm sure if I took the time to think about it, I might come up with a different answer.

00:08:26.340 But I'm going to say yes.

00:08:28.200 Oh, no, I can't say that.

00:08:29.400 That's not how the game works, Michael.

00:08:30.740 And I just won this round, so you have to guess how I would guess.

00:08:33.200 Okay, I think you might say yes in certain instances.

00:08:37.460 Yes, inshallah.

00:08:39.060 I don't know what that word means.

00:08:40.260 I think it's a Muslim thing.

00:08:41.400 Yes, I would agree.

00:08:42.480 I think we basically have more.

00:08:45.560 The problem is this.

00:08:48.180 Wokeism, progressive liberalism, whatever you want to say, is a derivation of Puritanism.

00:08:54.320 I think that the woke left, they really are the inheritors of the Puritan tradition in the United States,

00:08:59.120 which pains me to say because I have Puritan ancestors.

00:09:02.360 But it all comes out of the same culture.

00:09:05.960 It's just woke leftism comes out of really the wrong turn that the culture started to take centuries.

00:09:11.380 Yeah.

00:09:11.840 But it does come from our culture, and it is a kind of weird aping of Christianity.

00:09:15.620 Yeah, I think that's right.

00:09:16.500 But you could say the same about Islam.

00:09:18.060 It's just that Islam is a Christian heresy from the 7th century, not from the 17th century,

00:09:22.360 as maybe Puritanism and wokeism comes to be.

00:09:25.000 So because Islam started aping a culture back when it was much healthier,

00:09:31.020 I suppose I give the Muslims the advantage.

00:09:33.860 Yeah, if I've got someone here who believes that God exists, that he's separate from the world,

00:09:38.340 that he can command certain things, that there are certain things we're obliged to do.

00:09:44.200 Yeah.

00:09:44.840 I mean, that isn't to say that I don't think it's a heresy like you put it.

00:09:48.100 I like to think of Muhammad.

00:09:50.040 I like to review Muhammad.

00:09:51.280 I'm going to get into trouble here.

00:09:52.820 But I like to review Muhammad in the way that the church fathers and then C.S. Lewis would review Christ.

00:09:57.820 Lord, liar, lunatic, pick one.

00:10:00.460 I think with Muhammad, you've got to say prophet, liar, lunatic, or possessed.

00:10:04.860 Yeah.

00:10:05.400 I think it's probably one of those.

00:10:06.800 Right.

00:10:07.100 And you even see, you know, in Dante, he puts some of these Muslims in the realm of sort of schismatics

00:10:15.400 and heretics and things.

00:10:16.520 I mean, even Muhammad started the religion after going on a trip with his uncle,

00:10:22.060 and they met a heretical monk, which in the Muslim tradition they call Bahira,

00:10:25.540 and in the Western tradition we call Sergius.

00:10:28.100 But no one really disputes that.

00:10:29.520 So it obviously comes from some kind of understanding of Christianity.

00:10:33.700 One of the criticisms of Islam that you saw in the Regensburg Address by Benedict

00:10:37.540 is that in Christianity, God and logic are synonymous,

00:10:41.760 whereas in Islam, Allah is utterly transcendent.

00:10:45.440 So he quotes the Muslim theologian Ibn Hazm and says that if God so willed it,

00:10:50.740 God being pure will, he could will his followers to worship idols,

00:10:54.960 and they would be obliged to do that.

00:10:56.880 And so I think, well, that's not a great thing.

00:10:59.140 However, the modern libs are obviously pure will.

00:11:02.380 They're so insistent upon the tyranny of their own will that they want us to let the men

00:11:06.500 into the women's bathroom and pretend that reality is different than it is.

00:11:09.420 Why is it, do you think then, that the woke people are more likely to defend and reverence Islam?

00:11:16.880 Because Islam has been an historical enemy of Christianity.

00:11:21.320 However, you know, to the point of the question, as we see the shakeup today,

00:11:24.900 I think that probably people who believe in theistic religion at all

00:11:29.540 probably have quite a lot more in common.

00:11:31.920 Objective reality.

00:11:32.280 Yes, yeah, and probably can team up against the iconic last secularists

00:11:38.280 who want to just knock down everything beautiful and sacred in the world.

00:11:41.400 These are good questions.

00:11:42.540 These are.

00:11:43.080 I hate to compliment the producers, but these are good questions.

00:11:45.900 Okay.

00:11:46.220 All right.

00:11:47.100 See, I've never been in a situation where I've had a drink in front of me

00:11:50.180 and it's only acceptable to drink at certain times.

00:11:52.600 Yes, only if you get it right or get it wrong.

00:11:54.980 Those are the only times that you can drink.

00:11:57.700 Currently, the internet and social media are more dangerous

00:12:01.480 to young women than to young men.

00:12:05.060 Okay.

00:12:05.460 All right.

00:12:05.740 We'll guess.

00:12:06.100 One, two, three.

00:12:10.220 Yeah, no way.

00:12:11.300 I wouldn't.

00:12:12.240 I'd have to think about it more, but I wouldn't think that it's...

00:12:15.720 I can't think of a reason that it's especially pernicious to women

00:12:18.680 in a way that it wouldn't be to men.

00:12:20.100 Well, the way it could be especially pernicious to women

00:12:22.640 is it makes them think about their bodies all the time

00:12:25.460 and either gives them anorexia or turns them into, you know,

00:12:28.520 virtual prostitutes on OnlyFans or something.

00:12:31.080 But nevertheless, even granting all that,

00:12:34.660 the reason it's more pernicious to dudes is because of porn, right?

00:12:38.240 Porn is just everywhere and men are like a moth to a flame,

00:12:41.740 especially young boys who are exposed to it.

00:12:43.900 And porn just totally messes up people's heads.

00:12:46.260 I mean, you've talked about this extensively.

00:12:47.760 Yeah, I like what Jason Everett said.

00:12:50.180 He says that pornography emasculates a man.

00:12:52.520 It robs him of the ability to be masculine.

00:12:55.360 So instead of saying, this is my body given up for you,

00:12:58.200 we learn the polar opposite.

00:12:59.760 This is your body taken by me.

00:13:01.640 We miss the point of manhood.

00:13:03.640 Women are left without a strong man to guide them.

00:13:07.040 And men are just wimps.

00:13:09.400 Right.

00:13:10.500 Norm MacDonald had a great bit, even on one-night stands.

00:13:13.960 You know, and he had this whole bit, which he gave at a club in San Francisco.

00:13:17.320 He said, ah, you know, sex is obviously a filthy, shameful thing,

00:13:22.540 clearly only meant for procreation.

00:13:24.760 And one of his arguments for this is,

00:13:26.560 you know how when you're going to go do that thing,

00:13:28.360 you know, a one-night stand or you go alone in the room,

00:13:30.580 you know how you turn the blinds down?

00:13:33.180 You know, you lock the door and turn the blinds down.

00:13:35.460 That's shame.

00:13:36.600 That's a manifestation of shame.

00:13:38.640 That's right.

00:13:39.320 You don't go bragging about looking at porn all the time.

00:13:42.340 Sure.

00:13:42.880 I mean, I wouldn't want to say that the sexual act within marriage

00:13:45.500 is in any way, shape, or form a shameful thing.

00:13:47.440 But if he's talking about fornicating, then that would be.

00:13:49.960 But the reason we would turn the blinds down and lock the doors

00:13:52.440 in an appropriate sexual relationship

00:13:54.240 is because there are certain human acts

00:13:56.620 that are appropriate in certain contexts and not others,

00:13:59.000 and that says nothing one way or the other.

00:14:00.360 You're telling me I shouldn't open the blinds when...

00:14:02.440 And put a red light on just so all the neighbors are aware.

00:14:05.700 I guess I'm a bit more exhibitionistic.

00:14:07.480 All right.

00:14:07.880 Okay, you're up.

00:14:09.340 So neither of us have to drink.

00:14:10.760 No, but we do get to drink.

00:14:11.820 We do get to.

00:14:12.360 We certainly get to.

00:14:13.680 It's okay to be goth.

00:14:15.800 These are great.

00:14:18.580 Okay, all right.

00:14:19.100 Is it okay to be goth?

00:14:20.440 I'd want definitions.

00:14:22.440 You don't get them.

00:14:23.040 You don't get them.

00:14:23.740 Okay, one, two, three.

00:14:26.720 Oh, I'm going to say no.

00:14:27.900 Yeah, right.

00:14:28.720 I'm bad at this game.

00:14:29.820 So you think that I would say no.

00:14:30.900 I think you would say yes.

00:14:31.840 Yeah, I would say yes, but I'd need a definition on goth.

00:14:35.560 A kid who is 12 years old and really pissed off at his or her father.

00:14:40.980 Right.

00:14:41.280 That would be my definition.

00:14:42.560 So I would say it wouldn't be okay for parents

00:14:44.620 to allow their children to dress in that way.

00:14:47.220 But I'm okay with people expressing themselves.

00:14:51.360 And I think it would be weird if the government would step in and say no.

00:14:55.920 And parents ought not to be doing that, I think, with kids at a certain age.

00:14:58.840 So I'm okay with kids.

00:15:00.200 But would you be okay?

00:15:01.760 I wouldn't be okay with my kid doing it.

00:15:03.220 You wouldn't?

00:15:03.720 Not at all.

00:15:04.400 Yeah.

00:15:04.560 It wouldn't be an option.

00:15:05.580 Yeah.

00:15:06.060 Yeah.

00:15:06.220 But if your kid did it, I'd be like, oh, bloody hell, sorry.

00:15:10.360 What about...

00:15:10.900 That sounds terrible, but I wouldn't do anything about it.

00:15:13.560 What if a school said, okay, we've got a policy, you can't dress up like Marilyn Manson.

00:15:20.080 You know, no goth stuff in the school.

00:15:21.880 I think the problem with the goth thing is it very quickly become verges on the satanic symbolism.

00:15:26.960 Yeah.

00:15:27.460 Yeah.

00:15:27.960 Almost immediately.

00:15:28.960 Yeah.

00:15:29.300 I was never goth, but I did wear a lot of heavy metal t-shirts and black jeans.

00:15:37.400 Really?

00:15:37.820 Yeah.

00:15:38.940 I was in a heavy metal band and things like this.

00:15:40.860 I didn't know this.

00:15:41.620 Yeah.

00:15:42.520 What?

00:15:43.220 Why?

00:15:45.260 I was...

00:15:46.740 I liked the idea of like rebelling against the man and, you know, just being angry and

00:15:53.320 trying to express that and not knowing how to.

00:15:55.880 I don't think I fit in with the jocks.

00:15:57.940 I didn't fit in with other people, but I did like heavy metal music.

00:16:01.280 And so I just sort of adopted that identity.

00:16:03.920 I'm not sure why people do it today, though, because what I find interesting is if I show

00:16:07.980 my son, who's 15 years old, Metallica, he's like, why are they so angry?

00:16:12.920 I'm like, this is brilliant.

00:16:14.520 What do you mean?

00:16:15.760 So it's almost...

00:16:17.140 It's funny to me that young kids don't listen to the same music we did.

00:16:21.380 So I don't know what goth means today.

00:16:23.780 I really love that.

00:16:24.720 I mean, today, of course, though, to be subversive, to be really transgressive is to just like

00:16:31.240 go to Latin mass and get married young and have children and work hard.

00:16:35.180 Yeah.

00:16:35.540 That is very different than it was in the 80s and 90s.

00:16:36.840 As Gavin McGinnis says, it's the new punk rock.

00:16:38.600 It's the new punk rock.

00:16:39.500 That's right.

00:16:40.000 Do you...

00:16:40.400 Sometimes people write into me and they'll say, Michael, is it okay to listen to or perform

00:16:45.900 in heavy metal?

00:16:47.280 And I go back to Plato on this, where Plato is very wary of music, especially percussive

00:16:53.160 music, especially music that cuts right through to your soul.

00:16:56.620 What's your answer?

00:16:57.440 I certainly wouldn't have as sophisticated an answer as you would.

00:17:00.180 I get the feeling you think about this quite frequently.

00:17:02.320 I'm up all night.

00:17:03.260 I say, should I listen to Metallica?

00:17:04.720 I listen...

00:17:06.060 It's funny.

00:17:06.600 When I was a teenager, I was listening to heavy metal, Pantera, Machine Head, Metallica.

00:17:10.180 Now, if you said, what do you listen to?

00:17:12.180 It's, you're listening to oldies on a front porch and it's raining.

00:17:16.680 That's the crap I listen to right now, Michael, because I'm old and I'm tired.

00:17:20.660 I know.

00:17:21.320 But I do listen to heavy metal.

00:17:23.960 There's a band called Sabaton.

00:17:26.240 And there's an excellent song about the Swiss guards doing things to the Muslims.

00:17:32.360 Really?

00:17:32.820 Shall we say.

00:17:33.640 And it's excellent.

00:17:35.800 Ah, Michael, you'd love it.

00:17:37.260 There is, I could see this sort of goth to trad pipeline.

00:17:42.180 You know, it's just you're kind of turning your target.

00:17:45.340 Yeah, that's right.

00:17:46.240 No, so I, yeah.

00:17:47.220 So I like heavy metal if I'm working out.

00:17:49.320 I feel like it.

00:17:49.840 But if I try to listen to secular music, what I find is that it haunts me like a ghost.

00:17:55.760 So it'll be two days later, I'll be up at night and this stupid song is in my head.

00:17:59.460 I'm like, why is it there?

00:18:00.500 Go away.

00:18:01.080 So I tend not to like.

00:18:02.580 And this does explain why I do not listen to it.

00:18:05.580 Because I have not worked out since the Obama administration.

00:18:08.220 Okay.

00:18:08.820 Okay.

00:18:09.360 Can I drink?

00:18:10.180 No, I can.

00:18:10.640 You can.

00:18:11.060 Yeah.

00:18:11.480 You have the opportunity now because of how you answered that question.

00:18:15.240 In general, men in the workforce should avoid close female friendships with co-workers.

00:18:21.560 So I'm going to reset your drink.

00:18:22.560 Okay.

00:18:23.120 In the workforce.

00:18:24.620 In general.

00:18:25.360 In general.

00:18:27.040 Men should avoid close friendships with female.

00:18:29.840 I'm, yeah, all right.

00:18:31.140 I'm, yeah.

00:18:31.960 One, two, three.

00:18:33.300 Okay.

00:18:34.580 Okay.

00:18:35.640 Yeah, of course.

00:18:36.980 Yeah, I think so.

00:18:38.800 Certainly if you're married, I don't know if you should be having new close female friends

00:18:42.320 at all.

00:18:43.640 But if you're a single man and you're looking to marry and you're walking on the same piece

00:18:48.280 of carpet as another young single woman, presumably you'd like to get to know her first.

00:18:53.700 And I don't like the idea of saying to a man, you shouldn't do that lest it look weird

00:18:58.220 or you be accused of something when you did nothing wrong.

00:19:00.700 I feel like I'm kind of capitulating when I say that.

00:19:04.000 So you're saying if you're a single guy, she's a single girl, and you plan on dating

00:19:09.800 seriously and getting married or something, then yeah, go for it.

00:19:12.980 But in general, you know, you shouldn't be flirting with your secretary or something.

00:19:18.400 But that's a very different thing to getting to know someone, isn't it?

00:19:20.800 Yeah.

00:19:21.260 Yeah.

00:19:21.440 I've heard Matt Walsh make this point that he says that men shouldn't be friends with

00:19:26.920 women or you can't.

00:19:27.860 I don't want to misquote him.

00:19:29.160 I misquote him all the time.

00:19:30.340 I heard he's a fascist and called for genocide.

00:19:32.180 I got a new idea for a game.

00:19:34.080 Misquoting Matt Walsh.

00:19:36.140 But I have female friends.

00:19:38.820 But certainly once I got married, I was completely uninterested in making friends

00:19:43.280 or maintaining those friends, those female friends, to the degree they were before.

00:19:49.500 Do you find that one of my closest friends is a woman, and we've been friends for many

00:19:55.200 years.

00:19:56.480 But we are friends also in the broader context of she and I are both married.

00:20:01.000 We are both friends with each other's spouse, and we'll spend time hanging out with just

00:20:07.940 the spouse, you know, and not the other person.

00:20:09.820 And I've got actually multiple friends like this, but I'm thinking of one in particular

00:20:13.300 because we've been friends for so long.

00:20:14.420 And I think, well, that, I would still say this person is one of my best friends.

00:20:18.220 The woman?

00:20:18.800 The woman.

00:20:19.220 Yeah.

00:20:19.520 But not, you know, she and I don't have romantic dinners together.

00:20:22.820 You know, it's within this broader context of now I guess we're couple friends, you know.

00:20:27.680 When I meet new friends, once I get to, if I meet their wives, I'm only interested in

00:20:33.260 them because I care about my male friend.

00:20:35.180 Yeah.

00:20:35.820 And when my male friends who know me forget the name of my wife and children, I respect

00:20:40.640 it.

00:20:41.020 Yeah.

00:20:41.320 I kind of like that.

00:20:42.180 Yeah, right, right.

00:20:43.760 Yeah, I think it's also, people will write in and they'll say, can men and women be platonic

00:20:49.440 friends?

00:20:49.980 And I think, well, one, you've got to be really careful about the context.

00:20:53.020 But if there's a single woman, let's say you work with a single woman and you're married

00:20:58.800 or even if you're not married but you're not interested, I don't see any world in which

00:21:04.540 you can be close friends with that person and not have it be kind of weird, right?

00:21:12.140 I don't know.

00:21:13.140 I don't know.

00:21:13.860 Because I also know someone I would consider a very holy priest and a very holy nun who

00:21:19.160 worked together in different ministries.

00:21:21.040 And I know that the cynic in us might be like, oh, yeah, but I think that says more

00:21:25.860 about us than them.

00:21:26.800 So I certainly want to leave room for the possibility.

00:21:29.380 And in that case, I mean, you would say in that case, they both are married.

00:21:34.800 Right.

00:21:35.240 Sure.

00:21:36.100 Coincidentally, they're married to the same person.

00:21:37.760 Yeah.

00:21:38.180 And so they're not single at the very least, even though they don't have a spouse that

00:21:44.560 walks around on earth all the time.

00:21:45.880 Yeah.

00:21:46.280 Fair enough.

00:21:46.760 Okay.

00:21:47.040 Fair enough.

00:21:47.640 So we're both okay.

00:21:48.760 We're both okay.

00:21:49.320 Yep.

00:21:50.200 All right.

00:21:51.480 The East Palestine.

00:21:53.300 Did I pronounce that right?

00:21:54.480 I think so.

00:21:55.460 Train derailment is likely just one of many intentionally orchestrated attacks, manufacturing

00:22:01.820 plants, chicken hatcheries, et cetera, with the goal of destabilizing our society.

00:22:08.060 All right.

00:22:08.520 Did you get that?

00:22:09.740 I got it.

00:22:10.280 I got it.

00:22:10.800 All right.

00:22:11.100 Okay.

00:22:11.300 One, two, three.

00:22:13.560 Ha ha.

00:22:13.860 Yeah.

00:22:15.540 I would say no, but I thought you would have said yes.

00:22:18.080 I am open to yes.

00:22:21.120 However, I lean no.

00:22:22.800 Okay.

00:22:23.140 My reasoning is this.

00:22:25.140 I never ascribe to malice that which is equally explained by incompetence and stupidity.

00:22:30.500 And so what I do think there's something going on now, which is as the boomers are retiring,

00:22:37.220 boomers for all their flaws did have some basic kind of professional competence and millennials

00:22:42.160 don't have that at all.

00:22:43.520 Millennials don't know a damn thing about anything in terms of practical skills.

00:22:46.360 I don't.

00:22:46.840 And so I certainly don't.

00:22:48.060 You know, look, I mean, this is my job is I drink and read these cards.

00:22:50.840 And so as that starts to change, you're seeing, I think, some more of these industrial type

00:22:56.680 accidents.

00:22:57.540 There are over a thousand train derailments every year.

00:23:00.240 And that has been true for decades.

00:23:01.980 So there are competence problems getting worse from the perspective of the government.

00:23:07.880 But are there nefarious actors and saboteurs and spooks and all sorts of people who are going

00:23:12.300 in and trying to mess around with our public life?

00:23:15.480 Of course.

00:23:16.960 But I think a lot of it is actual incompetence.

00:23:20.380 Yeah.

00:23:20.940 No, I'm with you.

00:23:22.160 I kind of, I'm afraid that there isn't a group plotting terrible things.

00:23:27.820 And it's just people like me who've got no idea what they're doing.

00:23:30.200 Like, that's a terrifying.

00:23:31.380 I know.

00:23:32.060 But I think it is.

00:23:33.020 It's a more boring answer.

00:23:34.420 But it seems like, therefore, it's probably the answer.

00:23:37.300 There also, there are groups.

00:23:39.280 I mean, there are groups conspiring.

00:23:41.660 And the definition of a company is a conspiracy, right?

00:23:44.360 I mean, you're conspiring together to do something, get an edge over competitors.

00:23:48.500 But I just don't know that you can ascribe all of the nefarious things happening in the

00:23:54.720 world to those groups of people.

00:23:56.880 I fear, yeah, it's us.

00:23:59.160 The fault lies not in the cabals, but in ourselves very often.

00:24:04.460 All right.

00:24:05.300 So I got yours wrong.

00:24:07.620 You got it wrong.

00:24:08.120 So I get to drink.

00:24:09.060 That's what I'm going to try to do now.

00:24:09.960 Get your answers wrong.

00:24:11.660 All right.

00:24:14.480 Here we go.

00:24:15.620 Now, do I, wait, is it?

00:24:16.800 I think it's, oh, it is your turn.

00:24:18.340 It's my go.

00:24:18.840 Here we go.

00:24:19.360 Give me that call.

00:24:19.920 Yeah.

00:24:20.720 In 2023, there is an even greater push from mainstream entertainment toward promoting

00:24:26.300 white guilt than LGBTQ plus visibility.

00:24:32.220 Oh, I.

00:24:32.940 White guilt.

00:24:33.920 I don't know.

00:24:39.980 I mean, the news cycle this last few weeks seems to make it seem like that is the case.

00:24:44.940 Yeah.

00:24:45.600 But I haven't done any.

00:24:46.780 Do you know why?

00:24:48.180 Why?

00:24:48.360 This is something an American would have an advantage over an OS.

00:24:53.260 I'm going to have to say you got it wrong only because we've just come to the end of

00:24:57.880 February.

00:24:59.760 Half of this year so far has been dominated by the liberal liturgical month of Black History

00:25:05.280 Month.

00:25:05.600 And so the activism has been hyper-focused on white guilt and black grievance.

00:25:11.060 Okay.

00:25:11.540 That is going to change.

00:25:13.040 In June, we are going to get the first of two, if not several, gay months.

00:25:18.260 And then everything is going to be rainbow.

00:25:20.220 In May, do you mean?

00:25:21.200 In June is the first one.

00:25:22.900 Is it?

00:25:23.600 Isn't May the gay month?

00:25:25.540 It soon will be another gay month, I'm sure.

00:25:27.340 But June is.

00:25:28.040 Okay.

00:25:28.140 But June is a long time.

00:25:30.200 It was Pride Day.

00:25:30.940 I just thought May rhymed with gay and that would have been a good strategy on their part.

00:25:34.820 Yeah.

00:25:35.600 June.

00:25:37.660 Ricciun.

00:25:38.740 No idea.

00:25:39.400 That's an Italian.

00:25:40.540 All right.

00:25:40.780 That's an Italian phrase for homosexual.

00:25:42.460 It is.

00:25:43.000 It is.

00:25:43.660 And then, I don't know what big ears for some reason they call it.

00:25:45.880 Or October.

00:25:49.020 I don't know.

00:25:49.660 I got nothing.

00:25:50.280 Bend over.

00:25:50.880 All right.

00:25:51.660 Is that your shot?

00:25:53.060 It's now it's yours.

00:25:54.000 All right.

00:25:55.660 Here we go.

00:25:56.420 So, the argument can be made that legalizing polygamist marriage would be less detrimental

00:26:02.300 society, less detrimental to society than legalizing gay marriage.

00:26:08.420 Oh, okay.

00:26:10.020 So, can the argument be made that you can legalize a polygamist marriage and that that would be

00:26:15.440 less detrimental to society than gay marriage?

00:26:17.180 Okay, ready?

00:26:17.540 One, two, three.

00:26:19.120 A hundred percent, I would say that.

00:26:21.440 At least polygamy is real.

00:26:23.240 Yeah.

00:26:23.440 At least you're dealing with, it's something that God permitted.

00:26:27.200 Yeah.

00:26:27.480 Even if he didn't like it.

00:26:28.640 Yeah, he wasn't into it.

00:26:29.700 Yeah.

00:26:30.240 Things kind of went awry very often when guys.

00:26:32.860 Not promoting it, you understand.

00:26:34.220 Not saying we should be doing it.

00:26:35.720 It doesn't violate the natural law.

00:26:37.240 No.

00:26:38.080 Whereas the notion of same-sex marriage, it's just an incoherent phrase.

00:26:42.940 Right.

00:26:44.020 Oxymoron.

00:26:44.500 I mean, this is why even to say legalize same-sex marriage, even if I wanted to legalize same-sex

00:26:50.140 marriage, I feel so impelled to do so, I could not do that because it is not a thing.

00:26:55.260 Yeah.

00:26:56.200 It'd be like legalizing, I don't know, burning hot ice.

00:27:03.140 Yeah.

00:27:03.680 I can't do that.

00:27:05.060 Yeah.

00:27:05.280 Marriage precedes the state.

00:27:06.780 The state has no right to redefine what precedes it and what is in the natural law any more than

00:27:12.340 the state saying, from now on, we've decided that friendship means enemies.

00:27:17.460 Yeah.

00:27:17.720 Right.

00:27:18.160 You can play with words if you want, but that isn't what it means.

00:27:21.100 It doesn't work.

00:27:21.700 I mean, this is sometimes they'll say, I got in trouble recently for saying we should ban

00:27:25.080 transgenderism entirely.

00:27:26.700 Thank you.

00:27:27.080 It's the only way that you could protect women's bathrooms or women's locker rooms or anything.

00:27:34.720 It's not just that you would ban it for five-year-olds.

00:27:37.500 You have to ban it for everybody or you're going to end up with the same effect.

00:27:41.520 It's like saying, we want to ban abortion except for cases.

00:27:45.740 It's like, no, we want to ban abortion because you shouldn't kill innocent human beings.

00:27:50.300 Right.

00:27:50.620 Yeah.

00:27:50.760 If you believe the premise, then you've got to keep going.

00:27:53.400 But someone said, well, Michael, why won't you affirm transgenderism?

00:27:58.000 And I said, because I can't.

00:28:00.080 Yeah.

00:28:00.700 It's not me.

00:28:02.700 Even if I really, really wanted to legalize transgender, it's just, it is not an ontological

00:28:09.060 category that is real.

00:28:10.680 Yeah.

00:28:12.020 So it's not my fault.

00:28:13.060 I don't want to get into this.

00:28:13.840 I'm not sure how much we can say before you ****.

00:28:16.020 Oh, no.

00:28:16.760 They'll bleed me out.

00:28:18.080 Yeah.

00:28:18.520 Oh, they will?

00:28:19.260 They will.

00:28:19.700 My producers will.

00:28:20.680 All right.

00:28:20.940 So then I would say, yeah, because you're legalizing ****.

00:28:25.100 Yeah.

00:28:25.320 You're legalizing somebody's ****.

00:28:28.520 Yes.

00:28:29.260 And I can't, I can no more affirm transgenderism than I can affirm the voices of ****, you

00:28:35.380 know, talking into a head.

00:28:36.180 Well, you went above me.

00:28:37.160 Good job.

00:28:37.940 I'm sure they'll have a drink.

00:28:40.460 Do they actually beep it or do they jump cut?

00:28:43.020 Beefing would be much funnier.

00:28:43.980 I insist that they bleep with a big bar that says Big Tech.

00:28:47.740 I say, if you're going to cut me.

00:28:48.820 All right.

00:28:49.120 Yeah, yeah.

00:28:49.540 I say ****.

00:28:51.680 All right.

00:28:52.140 My shot or yours?

00:28:53.540 Sorry.

00:28:54.020 I just want to see it.

00:28:55.120 I think it's mine.

00:28:56.100 I think it's mine.

00:28:57.180 All right.

00:28:57.480 I'm up.

00:28:57.760 Let's go.

00:28:59.420 Australia's biggest export is boomerangs.

00:29:02.140 It's also their biggest import.

00:29:05.520 Oh, that is interesting.

00:29:08.860 I'd have, I'll just take a guess.

00:29:10.900 I'll have to guess what you would think.

00:29:12.600 I don't know.

00:29:13.300 I guess you'll say no, maybe.

00:29:14.880 I would say you would say no.

00:29:16.240 I think I might say yes.

00:29:17.600 I mean, it's an interesting point.

00:29:18.800 If that is, if that's, if that's one of the things that tourists like to buy, then

00:29:23.820 we've got to be cranking these bad boys out.

00:29:25.660 Yeah.

00:29:26.240 Yeah.

00:29:26.400 Who can crank them out faster than China?

00:29:28.320 Yeah.

00:29:29.280 So I think it's.

00:29:30.360 That becomes a problem because obviously if a boomerang is your biggest export, then eventually

00:29:35.260 it will be.

00:29:35.660 It will come back.

00:29:36.600 It has to.

00:29:37.160 It's very good.

00:29:37.900 But, but yeah, but they are all.

00:29:39.780 Is that the joke?

00:29:40.680 I missed the joke.

00:29:41.480 I think that may have, it was a lame thing.

00:29:42.840 It was very good.

00:29:43.780 No, it was very good.

00:29:45.040 I think the reason that it's not boomerangs is one, actors, the biggest American actors

00:29:52.880 somehow are all Australian.

00:29:54.600 There's a disproportionate number of them.

00:29:56.340 It's weird.

00:29:56.900 It's very strange.

00:29:57.740 And they're all also just angry and, you know, fairly conservative actually.

00:30:03.300 But, you know, you think about guys who are known for getting into fights and scrapping.

00:30:07.480 It's Russell Crowe, Mel Gibson.

00:30:10.220 I love that people have this view of Australia until our government became tyrannical and locked

00:30:15.820 people in their houses.

00:30:16.760 And everyone came up to me and went, why is your country gay?

00:30:20.340 And I said, I don't know if it is.

00:30:22.060 And I actually haven't kept up on what's going on.

00:30:25.220 So I don't know.

00:30:26.780 But they, they did.

00:30:28.400 It was sort of like, you call that a lockdown?

00:30:31.540 No, this is a lockdown.

00:30:32.860 And then they closed their blinds and locked their doors and they didn't go anywhere.

00:30:36.020 This was my other thought for the biggest export, is wokeness.

00:30:40.540 Now, did you see your native e-safety commissioner?

00:30:44.320 Nope.

00:30:45.080 I don't think so.

00:30:45.740 This woman, she was working at Microsoft and Twitter.

00:30:50.340 She was too woke for those two places.

00:30:52.160 She goes to Australia.

00:30:53.460 It's hooked up with, she was also part American.

00:30:55.380 She gets hooked up with the Australian government.

00:30:57.540 She creates this thing, safety by design.

00:30:59.880 And safety by design says, and it's in work with the World Economic Forum.

00:31:06.720 They're working in tandem.

00:31:08.220 It would embed the woke regulations in the tech platforms themselves.

00:31:13.840 So they're saying, oh, the governments, they're not going to keep up with all the trends.

00:31:17.280 And so what we need to do is just embed it in the three big tech companies.

00:31:20.600 And if the Australian government, maybe one or two others, demands it, the World Economic Forum demands it, then it's just going to go in there and it's going to be exported all around the world.

00:31:27.960 Yeah.

00:31:28.220 All right.

00:31:28.580 Woke-ism.

00:31:29.600 Okay.

00:31:30.160 All right.

00:31:30.760 I don't know what happened.

00:31:32.700 You.

00:31:33.800 Well, we have to drink.

00:31:34.860 Okay.

00:31:36.600 Marshall.

00:31:37.100 I realized I'm hiccuping more with a non-alcoholic drink.

00:31:39.620 I think it's because it's bubbly.

00:31:40.760 It's bad for you.

00:31:41.520 You want to drink alcohol.

00:31:42.300 It's not good for you.

00:31:42.640 It's not good for them.

00:31:43.440 Andrew's, Andrew Tate's advice, I don't know what it is you can tell me, does more harm than good.

00:31:52.960 Since I don't know anything about this fella, I'm going to presume that you're going to say no.

00:31:56.900 And I'll say that you say no, too, because you don't know that you do.

00:32:00.020 I don't know much about him.

00:32:01.360 Have you followed him at all?

00:32:02.460 I know he's got a bald head.

00:32:04.320 Yes.

00:32:04.460 That he dated Michaela Peterson at one point.

00:32:06.720 Did he?

00:32:07.120 I didn't know that.

00:32:07.660 Maybe he didn't.

00:32:08.520 Scratch that.

00:32:09.120 But we're going to start that rumor at the very least.

00:32:11.600 Right.

00:32:12.300 Um, and something to do with Romanian prostitutes.

00:32:16.220 Yes.

00:32:16.960 All right.

00:32:17.320 Always comes back to Romanian prostitutes.

00:32:19.260 So fill me in.

00:32:20.460 So the guy became really famous, one, because he's very savvy at the internet and just knows

00:32:26.620 how to go viral and that succeeded for him.

00:32:29.220 But he became famous also because he would contradict parts of secular modernity and leftism.

00:32:36.140 And he would say, no, men should be strong and you should make money.

00:32:41.600 And that's good.

00:32:42.760 And masculinity is not toxic.

00:32:45.060 And all these sorts of really basic self-help things that got him pretty popular.

00:32:50.880 He is also a pimp.

00:32:53.940 By pimp, you mean?

00:32:55.820 Like he sells flesh and makes money on it.

00:32:57.820 And you think that he's doing more good than harm?

00:33:03.360 No, I thought it was more harm than good.

00:33:06.480 Advice does more harm than good.

00:33:08.020 His advice?

00:33:08.460 Oh, right.

00:33:09.000 So that's it.

00:33:10.840 Okay.

00:33:11.440 Well, I'll even, I'll even allow.

00:33:13.200 I'll keep the same answer.

00:33:14.340 As you know, the rules don't really matter.

00:33:15.120 I'm going to double down.

00:33:16.280 Yes.

00:33:16.680 I'll double down.

00:33:17.060 Well, in the sense that he's not saying anything different than the rest of the culture is saying.

00:33:20.420 Right.

00:33:20.580 The whole rest of the culture says, be a prostitute, get hooked on porn, treat yourself like you're

00:33:23.820 a bag of meat.

00:33:24.620 So he's not especially bad in that regard.

00:33:27.420 They're all pimps in this culture.

00:33:29.240 Though he contradicts wokeism a little bit.

00:33:31.920 So I guess you give him a slight edge there.

00:33:33.560 But the guy, the guy is a pimp.

00:33:34.940 I mean, he admits to this.

00:33:36.340 He moved to Romania.

00:33:37.600 Yeah.

00:33:37.920 He created OnlyFans accounts and stuff like that.

00:33:40.240 Yeah.

00:33:40.420 So.

00:33:41.160 Yeah.

00:33:41.280 Well, then we should be bloody condemning him.

00:33:42.700 I think this is one of the things that Catholicism can do for the conservative movement is it gives

00:33:46.920 you guardrails and direction.

00:33:48.720 Yeah.

00:33:49.060 And information about the things you ought to be conserving.

00:33:52.500 Yeah.

00:33:52.680 And my problem with those on the left is that they are spiraling into this madness.

00:33:58.240 And it seems like unless you are as insane as possible in that direction, you're not

00:34:03.160 yet enlightened enough.

00:34:04.560 Right.

00:34:04.840 But we might be seeing something similar on the right where the most obscene and outrageous

00:34:09.460 and ridiculous and false things are thought to be good if they're diametrically opposed

00:34:16.540 to what the left is saying.

00:34:18.980 Right.

00:34:20.080 Although.

00:34:20.880 I wouldn't want that.

00:34:21.520 A lot of what Andrew Tate has put out, he might think it's diametrically opposed to

00:34:26.660 the left, but it's really not.

00:34:27.660 If you're accepting the premises of the sexual revolution and you're conducting your business

00:34:32.180 and your personal life in a way that is not the most conducive to virtue, then you're

00:34:36.440 really kind of going along with the libs.

00:34:38.200 Although I think Tate recently converted to Islam.

00:34:41.640 That's right.

00:34:42.600 So I guess that's better than being an atheist.

00:34:45.300 We'll see.

00:34:46.040 We'll see.

00:34:48.120 All right.

00:34:48.720 I don't even know how I answered on that.

00:34:50.200 I do not understand this game at all.

00:34:53.140 Okay.

00:34:53.500 I'm up.

00:34:53.760 You're sure.

00:34:54.060 But I can drink, so I will.

00:34:56.580 Biden is a better Catholic than Nancy Pelosi.

00:35:00.520 Joe Biden is a better Catholic than Nancy Pelosi.

00:35:04.200 Okay.

00:35:04.480 I would say.

00:35:10.140 So you're going to tell him.

00:35:11.920 Okay.

00:35:12.100 You're going to say, no, he's not a better Catholic.

00:35:14.620 Would you agree that he is not a better Catholic?

00:35:16.920 The only reason I think he might be a better Catholic is that despite his false views and

00:35:25.360 promotions of things like abortion and transgenderism, he at least seems to pray the rosary.

00:35:33.280 He seems to go to mass.

00:35:34.740 And he might just be a really old man who doesn't know what he's doing anymore.

00:35:38.760 I'm not saying that crap on the poor fellow.

00:35:41.020 I actually can't tell if I feel sympathy for him or not.

00:35:44.080 I can't tell if I'm more angry at him or the people around him who pushed him into it.

00:35:46.780 But I don't know.

00:35:49.780 That's, they both seem pretty, they both seem like pretty bad Catholics.

00:35:54.480 Why would you say that you think Nancy Pelosi is a better Catholic than Joe Biden?

00:35:59.900 Only because he is more prominent.

00:36:02.680 And I think he has more responsibility to live his faith properly and to respect his visions.

00:36:08.960 But having more of a responsibility is not the same thing to say he is a better Catholic than her.

00:36:12.980 Well, that when he commits the sin of scandal, it's more egregious than when she does.

00:36:18.180 Sure.

00:36:18.280 Because though theoretically, I mean, she's the head of one of the houses of one of the three branches of government, or was until very recently.

00:36:26.660 But he's the president of the United States.

00:36:28.720 It's a figure that is imbued with a kind of monarchical quality almost.

00:36:33.660 And so when Joe Biden goes out and he says, I support killing babies, and I support men pretending to be women, and I make a mockery of the definition of marriage.

00:36:42.940 And am I right in thinking that he at one point said that a child should be able to have themselves mutilated?

00:36:48.380 Oh, yeah.

00:36:48.680 He's saying that right now.

00:36:49.580 His administration is pushing it.

00:36:50.860 So it's just, I'm sure Pelosi thinks all the same stuff.

00:36:53.260 Yeah, yeah.

00:36:53.700 I just think the sin of scandal is more severe for Biden.

00:36:56.960 Yeah, yeah.

00:36:57.780 But they're both pretty bad.

00:37:00.580 Cardinal, who told her she can't receive communion.

00:37:04.040 Archbishop Cordeliaone.

00:37:05.260 Cordeliaone.

00:37:05.780 Can we give just a little cheers to Cordeliaone for being a man?

00:37:10.420 You know, to give a little Italian translation.

00:37:13.100 Cordeliaone means heart of a lion.

00:37:15.800 Yeah.

00:37:16.180 And he's got it.

00:37:16.800 I think it's really important that we publicly celebrate our bishops and priests when they take a stand like that.

00:37:24.200 Even if we disagree with a bunch of other things that they've done, even if we think they've been cowardly, as soon as they make a right decision, they need to hear our praise more than the critics' booze.

00:37:33.940 That's a great point.

00:37:34.440 I sometimes, when a priest or a bishop or somebody does something great, I sometimes hesitate to compliment them because I don't want them to catch more heat for my praise.

00:37:45.680 Oh, sure.

00:37:46.460 But you're probably right.

00:37:47.740 If they're going to go out there, you know, Cordeliaone, Archbishop Cordeliaone comes out and he says, now, here's, it's bad for Nancy Pelosi.

00:37:54.740 It's bad for the flock and it's bad for Nancy Pelosi.

00:37:56.380 Out of love for her.

00:37:57.280 We have to deny her Holy Communion.

00:37:59.060 Exactly.

00:37:59.560 Yeah.

00:37:59.900 And you're right.

00:38:01.060 He deserves a lot of praise for that, shouldn't you?

00:38:02.400 Yeah.

00:38:02.880 Yeah.

00:38:03.500 Because I think if you came out and said something like that, you would embolden those faithful Catholics who would then be, hey, did you hear what?

00:38:09.760 I think my basic thought is like most of us are cowards and we like people to like us.

00:38:15.760 Yeah.

00:38:15.920 And when they praise us for doing good things, we're like children who then will be more likely to do it.

00:38:19.600 That's it, no.

00:38:20.200 I'm like that.

00:38:20.520 I think you make a great point.

00:38:21.520 All right.

00:38:21.900 You?

00:38:22.300 Is it?

00:38:23.020 I think it's it.

00:38:23.620 Okay.

00:38:24.200 Maybe.

00:38:25.000 Who cares?

00:38:25.580 I believe I've seen what can only be described as an angel, demon, or ghost.

00:38:32.640 So at some point, you've seen an angel, a demon, or a ghost.

00:38:36.740 I'm going to say one, two, three.

00:38:37.860 Oh, I certainly have.

00:38:41.420 Oh, you have?

00:38:42.000 Certainly.

00:38:42.220 I feel like you're about to be funny, though.

00:38:44.980 No, I'm not going to.

00:38:45.860 I mean, there are jokes to be made about it.

00:38:47.940 And I'm not going to relate these stories because I find when one talks about numinous experiences.

00:38:56.080 It cheapens it, doesn't it?

00:38:57.220 Well, not only does it, it's endlessly fascinating to the person to whom it happened, and it's chloroformed to everything else.

00:39:02.960 I don't know.

00:39:03.440 I'd find it pretty.

00:39:04.160 It was publicly once I spoke about one of these because I felt it was pertinent.

00:39:08.500 But suffice it to say, I am convinced I've entertained angels, unawares or awares, certainly at least twice, and maybe more.

00:39:18.720 How about you?

00:39:19.480 No, I don't have any recollection of encountering anything supernatural and seeing it with my visible eyes.

00:39:25.180 Really?

00:39:25.520 Yeah.

00:39:25.660 I've had dreams that seem peculiarly demonic, but no, no, nothing.

00:39:36.220 You have?

00:39:36.660 Like, have you ever had sleep paralysis or something?

00:39:39.300 No.

00:39:39.500 That kind of feels very demonic.

00:39:40.880 I've heard that that's terrifying.

00:39:42.160 Yeah, and it might just be a purely physical thing.

00:39:44.620 Although I suppose if you're Catholic, you don't really think that anything is purely physical or in this world, purely spiritual, right?

00:39:52.280 No, I think you could say things are purely spiritual.

00:39:54.440 Even in time and space?

00:39:57.880 Well, those purely spiritual things, were they to manifest themselves, I'm not sure how they would do it.

00:40:03.320 I don't think they would take the form of something visible for us to see.

00:40:05.960 God may grant them the appearance of something physical, I suppose.

00:40:09.480 Right.

00:40:09.620 So I guess you can't write it off.

00:40:11.600 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:12.120 It could be perceived, albeit not material.

00:40:13.540 You should have said my wife.

00:40:15.100 Yeah.

00:40:15.780 A demon.

00:40:16.480 No, I'm just joking.

00:40:18.060 Yes, it's true.

00:40:19.600 Ta-da.

00:40:20.480 Take my wife.

00:40:21.340 Please.

00:40:23.660 All right.

00:40:24.380 So I got it wrong, so I have to drink.

00:40:25.860 Okay.

00:40:26.120 A man who does not exercise the body is feeding the vice of sloth and is thus sinning.

00:40:34.340 Okay.

00:40:35.720 Did you get that?

00:40:37.000 I got it.

00:40:37.560 All right.

00:40:37.880 Yeah, I got it loud and clear.

00:40:40.560 Thanks a lot.

00:40:41.480 Yeah, yes, he, I mean, yes, yes, of course, but that doesn't mean three hours in the gym

00:40:52.100 in the morning.

00:40:52.680 Yeah.

00:40:52.960 I heard that C.S. Lewis said a day wasn't complete without a good walk.

00:40:56.400 Yeah.

00:40:56.820 So if a good walk.

00:40:57.960 It's true.

00:40:58.460 To the mailbox.

00:40:59.560 Yes, yeah.

00:41:00.200 And back.

00:41:00.800 Good walk.

00:41:01.300 To the bar.

00:41:02.600 Yeah.

00:41:02.980 To the liquor cabinet.

00:41:03.980 Yeah.

00:41:05.160 Yes, because I do, I guess then it's that last part of the question that trips me up a

00:41:09.340 little bit.

00:41:09.660 I have not exercised in at least, you know, 50 years, and I'm only 32 years old somehow.

00:41:17.580 But is that, I think it's bad.

00:41:20.280 I think it's sloth.

00:41:21.420 I think it is a vice, certainly.

00:41:23.560 Is that a sin that I would be obligated to confess?

00:41:26.740 Again, no, I think it depends on what you mean by exercise.

00:41:29.000 I really do.

00:41:29.660 Yeah.

00:41:30.280 Because I'm actually concerned.

00:41:31.760 I'll get my steps in.

00:41:32.520 I'm concerned sometimes when you watch people on these YouTube videos saying, like, here's

00:41:36.700 why you should be working out three hours a day and meditating two hours a day.

00:41:41.020 You think, well, gee, that's great.

00:41:42.100 How many hours do you have in your day?

00:41:43.860 It's also great if you could just ignore your wife and children responsibilities.

00:41:47.700 But most of us, sure, we could be a little more self-disciplined.

00:41:50.760 We could work out more.

00:41:51.720 Maybe we should.

00:41:52.740 But I don't think we have to.

00:41:54.000 Right.

00:41:54.420 Yeah.

00:41:54.660 I think about my exercise.

00:41:56.100 This is actual exercise.

00:41:56.980 When I carry my kid or kids up and down stairs multiple times a day, that is certainly more

00:42:02.180 exercise than I got three years ago.

00:42:03.140 Well, I see Joe Rogan try to do that.

00:42:04.820 Yeah, that's right.

00:42:06.000 See Dana White try to lift my toddler.

00:42:08.560 Yeah.

00:42:08.660 Okay.

00:42:09.260 All right.

00:42:10.740 People who come from countries that surrender to emus should not be taken.

00:42:16.460 Emus?

00:42:16.920 What is emus?

00:42:18.540 Can we get a clarification from the producers?

00:42:21.820 Emus?

00:42:22.600 Oh, emus.

00:42:23.380 Oh, why is the E capitalized?

00:42:25.600 Respect.

00:42:26.000 Out of respect for the emus.

00:42:28.280 People who come from countries that surrender to emus should not be taken seriously.

00:42:33.480 I would say, yeah, right.

00:42:34.980 Let's see.

00:42:36.720 Should not be taken seriously.

00:42:38.280 Yes, that's correct.

00:42:39.440 At least for the time being.

00:42:40.820 Maybe they grew some balls and did something with the emus after that.

00:42:44.700 I've heard that something like there was some sort of attacks from emus, but I don't know

00:42:49.880 what happened.

00:42:50.360 In Australia?

00:42:51.360 Yeah.

00:42:51.800 Though they are pretty bloody terrifying, to be fair.

00:42:55.160 I...

00:42:56.000 I am...

00:42:56.520 So, my producer, who I'm sure is making this up, says that the Australians famously surrendered

00:43:02.340 to a pack of emus one time.

00:43:03.980 What does that mean, the Australians?

00:43:05.240 Yeah.

00:43:05.500 Or the aboriginals, maybe.

00:43:07.600 But you're telling me that all those British convicts, some of the most derelict, scrappy

00:43:12.340 people on Earth, they surrender to a bunch of weird birds.

00:43:15.480 Is that true?

00:43:16.480 Probably not.

00:43:16.940 I'll ask a me when I can tell.

00:43:18.300 But okay, I guess we've got to take...

00:43:19.260 But yeah, if somebody's going to surrender to emus when they want to take your wife away

00:43:24.200 or something, yeah, no respect for that.

00:43:26.160 But then maybe later, you know, they'll regret it.

00:43:28.540 The emu comes knocking, he's saying, take my kid, anything, please.

00:43:32.180 All right.

00:43:32.380 Yeah, okay.

00:43:33.220 Here we go.

00:43:34.620 It is perfectly acceptable to abandon your wife and children on a weekend to do a four-hour

00:43:43.380 podcast with a couple of dudes while enjoying cigars and whiskey.

00:43:47.920 Of course it is, or we wouldn't have done it.

00:43:52.760 Who would suggest otherwise?

00:43:54.580 You know, when I think about the different kinds of love, you get to drink.

00:43:58.200 I get to drink.

00:43:58.680 You get to drink.

00:43:59.620 There are different kinds of love.

00:44:00.920 And today, all we talk about is romantic love, or perhaps then in its fulfillment, the

00:44:06.040 love between spouses.

00:44:08.000 What about filia?

00:44:09.920 What about friendship?

00:44:11.340 Proper friendship.

00:44:12.620 Yeah, huh?

00:44:13.220 Yeah.

00:44:13.440 So why are you yelling at me about going and having three or four Coca-Colas with the

00:44:18.080 boys over at George's place for four hours, multiple cigars, when we're talking about

00:44:23.800 filia?

00:44:24.300 This is a very, very high form of friendship.

00:44:27.380 Right.

00:44:28.240 I was very high when I walked out of there with the fumes.

00:44:30.560 Oh, my goodness.

00:44:31.680 I had such a headache.

00:44:32.760 I was exhausted that whole time.

00:44:34.320 Yeah.

00:44:34.560 I enjoyed it.

00:44:35.560 Okay.

00:44:36.200 Thanks for being here.

00:44:37.340 Yeah, I think it's your time.

00:44:39.120 In one of the American states, cock relation.

00:44:41.780 You have to explain this to me, I think.

00:44:45.120 In one of the American states, cuck relationships will be recognized as legitimate marriages before

00:44:50.700 2030.

00:44:51.520 I believe that's short for cuckold, where the man is being stepped out upon by his wife

00:44:58.380 with another man.

00:44:59.860 Oh, right.

00:45:00.480 And that that will be recognized as legitimate marriage before 2030.

00:45:03.560 Explain it to me again.

00:45:04.480 So the question, if you could rephrase it, would be?

00:45:08.000 Would be that in America, the way marriage is going, there are a lot of cucks.

00:45:13.020 And that means what?

00:45:14.560 That a cuck is a guy, a cuckold, you know, like cornuto.

00:45:17.660 A guy who...

00:45:18.400 I think it began as a pornographic term.

00:45:20.520 But anyway...

00:45:20.740 Well, that's what people say now.

00:45:22.380 But the term, maybe it's just because I'm Italian.

00:45:24.300 This is the oldest Italian insult there is.

00:45:25.920 You say cornuto.

00:45:27.040 You know, sometimes Italians wear a necklace that looks like a little chili pepper.

00:45:30.180 That's a horn.

00:45:30.920 That's the sign of the cuckold.

00:45:32.080 Like the malochio, you know, you're warning us.

00:45:34.380 And the idea, if you're cuckolded and you've got the horns, is that your wife is cheating

00:45:38.560 on you.

00:45:39.100 Okay.

00:45:39.500 And then I was told, within the last five or six years, that this is now racist and it's

00:45:45.080 pornographic and they come up with all these things.

00:45:46.940 But it's a really old trope, actually.

00:45:48.360 It's just the idea that you're a man who's getting cheated on.

00:45:50.840 So the question is...

00:45:51.760 The question is, in the way marriage is going, that cuck marriages will be recognized as a...

00:45:58.680 So this is a sheila who walks out on her husband and children for another part.

00:46:02.580 Yeah.

00:46:03.040 Oh, no.

00:46:03.660 She stays with her husband and children.

00:46:05.240 She just shtups the mailman on the side.

00:46:07.500 Well, okay.

00:46:08.260 Let's go ahead and answer it.

00:46:10.180 It will be recognized.

00:46:11.580 Yes or no?

00:46:12.140 Yes or no.

00:46:12.980 Sure.

00:46:13.440 Why not?

00:46:13.860 We have no idea what the hell we're talking about.

00:46:15.820 We don't even know what marriage is anymore.

00:46:17.160 So it may as well be that.

00:46:18.340 It may as well be a bag of potato chips.

00:46:19.880 Now, I have to actually disagree.

00:46:21.560 Okay.

00:46:21.880 I have to say no.

00:46:23.440 Though I agree with your point.

00:46:26.720 Because in order by...

00:46:29.340 It's sort of like the definition of man and woman, definition of marriage.

00:46:32.460 In order to be cucked, you have to be in a marriage and your wife has to sleep with

00:46:40.300 a guy who's not in the marriage.

00:46:42.040 So in order for it to be cuckoldry, you can't all be married.

00:46:46.700 It has to involve a guy outside of the marriage.

00:46:48.920 Okay.

00:46:49.360 So just by definition.

00:46:50.740 But who knows?

00:46:51.200 But to your point, they changed the definition of marriage in all sorts of illogical ways.

00:46:54.840 So maybe they'll do that too.

00:46:56.000 Sweet.

00:46:56.580 Okay.

00:46:57.840 You're on.

00:46:58.400 You or me?

00:46:59.080 Me.

00:46:59.420 No, you.

00:47:00.020 Me.

00:47:00.320 No.

00:47:00.560 What?

00:47:01.120 In a healthy society, female combat sports...

00:47:04.460 Give me an example of one.

00:47:05.960 A female combat sport.

00:47:07.400 Like Gina Carano's stuff.

00:47:08.840 All right.

00:47:09.160 Should be banned.

00:47:11.240 Oh, yeah.

00:47:14.560 100%.

00:47:14.760 Like, he's just going to move.

00:47:16.920 100%.

00:47:17.280 I actually think that things like UFC are probably immoral in and of themselves.

00:47:22.020 Even for men?

00:47:22.740 Yes.

00:47:23.880 I'm willing to change my mind on this.

00:47:25.460 Yeah.

00:47:25.860 But it seems to me that if I'm going to risk imposing serious bodily damage to you,

00:47:31.560 that I need to have a good reason to do that.

00:47:33.960 And money and entertainment are not sufficient.

00:47:36.640 What about football?

00:47:37.940 I don't know how to answer that.

00:47:39.540 Yeah.

00:47:39.860 Well, I'll translate it.

00:47:41.360 No, no.

00:47:41.620 You can speak another language.

00:47:42.580 I'm talking about, you know, it's the one with the big guys and the pigskin.

00:47:46.180 It's a very good question.

00:47:48.540 Have you ever heard of the fallacy of the beard?

00:47:50.920 No.

00:47:51.400 The fallacy of the beard is when you say, because you don't know when a beard begins,

00:47:55.880 you can't say what a beard is.

00:47:57.780 Like, is this a beard?

00:47:58.920 No.

00:47:59.500 Yeah.

00:48:00.060 But it's a little blurry.

00:48:01.940 It's something.

00:48:02.360 It's a trad beard.

00:48:03.860 Okay.

00:48:04.500 No.

00:48:04.740 But if I kept growing it, in three months you'd say yes.

00:48:07.620 But at what day did it become one?

00:48:08.960 You might not be able to say, yeah, but you still know what a beard is.

00:48:11.240 Right.

00:48:11.540 I can say what pornography is, even though I think there are some blurry lines where I wouldn't be sure.

00:48:15.620 Right, right.

00:48:16.340 And so I do think, as I stand now, I'd be willing to say that I think UFC, boxing, as much as I'd love to watch it.

00:48:22.820 Yeah.

00:48:22.940 Like, I actually think that I couldn't think of anything more enjoyable to watch people beating this not out of each other.

00:48:27.880 I get the appeal of it, just like I get the appeal of porn.

00:48:30.620 But I think I'd probably come down on the side and say that UFC is immoral, especially with women.

00:48:36.060 Women should not be involved.

00:48:37.000 Yeah, at the very least you would say with women.

00:48:38.860 But feel free to push back on that.

00:48:40.260 No, I generally agree.

00:48:41.840 I mean, I think, you know, other than in very certain circumstances when you're a single man and you go to the nightclub and there's the jello pit, you know, and all sorts of, you know, pillow fights and things.

00:48:53.920 But that's very different, you know, than UFC.

00:48:56.700 I don't know that we should be doing that either in an healthy society.

00:48:58.840 Yeah, maybe not.

00:48:59.680 Maybe that was sort of vicious and degenerate.

00:49:02.720 But I agree.

00:49:05.120 I don't want to see women beat each other up.

00:49:08.040 In fact, a famous female fighter is a friend of mine.

00:49:10.500 You know, Gina Carano has been on this show.

00:49:12.520 But, and Gina Carano could probably punch me through a wall.

00:49:15.260 I'm sure she could be too.

00:49:17.400 But I don't want to see women being hit.

00:49:20.760 No.

00:49:20.980 I just don't like that.

00:49:22.320 Yeah.

00:49:22.700 Yeah.

00:49:23.100 I agree.

00:49:23.380 I agree.

00:49:24.000 You're right.

00:49:24.400 You answered right for both of us.

00:49:25.380 It's better for someone to get drunk than it is to smoke a spliff of the old Peruvian parsley.

00:49:35.860 Oh, okay.

00:49:37.240 One, two, three.

00:49:39.960 I would say not at all.

00:49:41.620 It's not better for a woman to get drunk.

00:49:43.740 What question are we?

00:49:44.660 Am I drunk?

00:49:45.380 What is that?

00:49:46.920 You're saying it's not better for someone to get drunk than to smoke the Peruvian parsley.

00:49:52.720 If somebody is smoking pot and not becoming high, that's clearly a better thing than getting drunk.

00:50:00.120 But can you smoke pot and not get high?

00:50:02.360 People who smoke pot tell me, of course, and it's only people who say that you can't smoke pot without getting high.

00:50:08.240 Those are the people who have never smoked pot.

00:50:09.560 No, but those are like potheads.

00:50:10.800 You can't believe what they're saying.

00:50:12.020 They're a bunch of high guys, you know?

00:50:13.580 That's the ad hominem attack.

00:50:15.460 I mean, it either is true or it isn't.

00:50:16.640 Well, I'll tell you something.

00:50:17.580 And this is, I think I've made this confession on the show before.

00:50:19.820 In my wayward youth, on occasion, I never really liked it, but on occasion, I had a little touch of the old hazelnut.

00:50:25.420 Devil's lettuce.

00:50:26.220 Yeah, devil's lettuce, you know, sin spinach.

00:50:28.640 And I was never really good at it, but I ate it sometimes in brownies.

00:50:33.480 Oh, okay.

00:50:33.880 Yeah, at like a, I was at a music festival in college.

00:50:38.100 And every year at this festival, I would eat the pot brownie.

00:50:40.280 And then it didn't work and I'd eat more and then that was terrible.

00:50:42.420 Yeah.

00:50:43.100 Or once I was in India, had the local yogurt.

00:50:45.540 Guess what was in the yogurt?

00:50:46.620 No.

00:50:47.080 Yeah.

00:50:47.740 In the yogurt?

00:50:48.320 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:49.060 I know.

00:50:49.460 They're putting it everywhere.

00:50:50.340 They're putting it everywhere.

00:50:50.860 It's like seed oil.

00:50:52.880 It's Indian seed oil.

00:50:54.140 That's another great euphemism.

00:50:56.160 And so I had that and, you know, I smoked some of these things every now and again.

00:51:01.220 And I always got, it always messed up my head in a way that if I have a drink or even two drinks,

00:51:09.360 it doesn't, it kind of mellows me out a little bit, but it doesn't.

00:51:11.660 And so I think your pothead friends are total liars.

00:51:14.380 Yeah.

00:51:14.740 And so I think it's not good to get drunk and it's not good to get high on the old devil's lettuce, but.

00:51:19.120 I agree with both of those statements, but I don't think, but I disagree with you that you can smoke pot and necessarily be high.

00:51:27.000 Have you ever think it's high?

00:51:28.060 Yes, I have.

00:51:29.840 And you've not gotten high?

00:51:31.300 No, I did get high.

00:51:32.620 So that does, my personal example does contradict that.

00:51:35.900 But I do know people who, in my own life, who take certain things for pain.

00:51:41.160 And I can't think of an argument against marijuana that doesn't cut against alcohol.

00:51:47.300 I'm open to hearing.

00:51:48.340 Well, here it is.

00:51:49.020 Unless you give me some kind of medical argument that this is far, I love that we're getting into this at the one question left, but yeah, go on, give me an idea.

00:51:57.920 Well, one of the arguments, and this is not going to appease people who just want a rationalist explanation for everything,

00:52:04.540 but one of the arguments is cultural and traditional and historical, which is alcohol has been with us from the very beginning of our civilization.

00:52:12.500 I don't use the word racist much, but I don't know how that doesn't sound like a racist thing.

00:52:18.120 It's been part of someone's culture, pot, hasn't it?

00:52:20.520 Yeah, but not ours.

00:52:21.680 Who cares?

00:52:22.340 It's part of someone's.

00:52:23.720 Well, why would we bring a new evil in, is my question.

00:52:26.620 So we've already, we've got, and I don't think alcohol is evil, but it certainly can be abused.

00:52:30.180 But we've got this substance that's been in our culture forever.

00:52:33.520 Christ's first miracle, our Lord's first miracle, was turning water into wine for people who'd been drinking for days.

00:52:38.660 And so it's been here forever.

00:52:41.200 And so people can drink responsibly or they can abuse.

00:52:44.560 Pot has been imported in what, the last 70 years.

00:52:48.840 It was really the hippies that kind of made it a thing here, or those jazz musicians smoking their jazz cigarettes.

00:52:53.520 And it was tightly controlled and basically suppressed until very recently people are promoting it.

00:52:58.960 Why would we encourage more of it?

00:53:01.440 Fair enough.

00:53:02.080 No, fair enough.

00:53:02.620 I get the argument that why are we introducing other ways to become degenerates when we have enough at our disposal.

00:53:08.560 But here's another thing, if there was a culture that hadn't drunk alcohol before, but they did smoke pot, and only now were they trying to make alcohol legal, would you say, yeah, for them maybe you shouldn't be introducing another thing that can make you degenerate?

00:53:25.180 Well, because I favor our culture, I would probably suppress some of their offenses.

00:53:31.440 It is hard to get around the biblical.

00:53:33.420 I mean, if Christ is, it is difficult.

00:53:34.840 He seems to bless some use.

00:53:37.100 I mean, he literally blesses some use of alcohol.

00:53:39.360 So how about this then?

00:53:40.860 If it is the case that one can smoke pot without becoming high, let's just grant that for the sake of argument.

00:53:47.100 If my grandma had wheels, it should be a wagon.

00:53:49.260 But okay, fine.

00:53:49.860 Let's grant that.

00:53:51.780 What's better, to drink to the point of drunkenness or to smoke marijuana and not be high?

00:53:57.560 I would say obviously smoke marijuana and not be high.

00:53:59.920 No, no way.

00:54:00.660 No way.

00:54:02.160 Oh, hold on.

00:54:02.700 Okay, and not be high.

00:54:03.600 Maybe I'm drunk.

00:54:04.400 Because that's the thing we have to grant for this, my version of the argument.

00:54:08.060 Yes, okay.

00:54:09.020 Okay, I would grant that.

00:54:10.400 And I'm not encouraging people to smoke pot.

00:54:12.160 We got Cheech and Chong over here.

00:54:14.460 Now, what if it were...

00:54:15.460 That would be a different kind of gang.

00:54:17.580 We're going to add that for the members only.

00:54:20.100 What if it were, is it better to smoke pot to the point of getting high or drink to the point of getting drunk?

00:54:26.380 At that point, I would probably be open to looking at which is worse for you.

00:54:33.340 I'd be open to arguments at that point.

00:54:35.200 Which is worse for you physically or...

00:54:36.720 Yeah, that's what I mean.

00:54:37.360 Yeah.

00:54:37.640 Physically.

00:54:38.100 I would be open to that at that point.

00:54:39.300 Because the thing is, when you get drunk, you get very social.

00:54:42.700 And you can either get social in the sense that you're going to take a swing at your body.

00:54:45.500 Or you can get social in the sense like, buddy, I love you, man.

00:54:48.060 Thanks.

00:54:48.420 Whereas with pot, you get super high and you just go into a corner.

00:54:51.720 I remember that.

00:54:52.340 In fact, I was 16 years old and that was the day I decided I can't do this again.

00:54:56.300 As a teenager, I probably smoked it three times in my life.

00:54:58.620 But I remember I had to go to work.

00:55:00.480 And so I wasn't smoking pot that night.

00:55:01.840 So I went and I sat down with my friends and they were all smoking pot.

00:55:04.640 And I saw them all get sucked into themselves.

00:55:07.320 Yeah.

00:55:07.480 Like solipsistically.

00:55:08.880 And I went, oh, this is very unattractive.

00:55:10.880 This is terrible.

00:55:11.260 I mean, don't get me wrong.

00:55:12.040 Drunkenness is unattractive as well.

00:55:13.140 That's why I'm saying arguments against pot often cut against alcohol too.

00:55:16.440 But I agree with you that that was my experience.

00:55:18.560 But I'm not sure that's everyone's experience.

00:55:20.580 Because at least drunk guys can be funny.

00:55:22.840 But high guys just think everything else is funny.

00:55:25.700 But they themselves are not funny.

00:55:27.480 Yes, fair enough.

00:55:28.520 But I imagine less violent fights when you're moving at the pace of a snail.

00:55:33.040 Look at my hands, man.

00:55:34.360 That's right.

00:55:34.680 Okay.

00:55:35.980 Is it me?

00:55:37.700 I don't know.

00:55:38.780 You go for it.

00:55:40.720 I would rather have a pint with St. Augustine than St. Thomas Aquinas.

00:55:48.520 I mean.

00:55:50.480 All right.

00:55:51.240 You ready?

00:55:52.180 This is actually a very difficult one.

00:55:53.720 Yeah.

00:55:54.060 So let's not try to influence each other.

00:55:56.000 I'm going to shut my eyes.

00:55:56.880 Okay.

00:55:57.160 Yeah, yeah.

00:55:58.400 You would say yes, I think.

00:56:01.620 You heard me moving the glass, so I had to say it.

00:56:05.520 I'm going to say yes for you too.

00:56:06.940 St. Augustine?

00:56:07.300 You host a show called Pints with, yes.

00:56:08.680 Even though you host a show called Pints with Aquinas.

00:56:10.720 No, I'd say Aquinas.

00:56:12.620 You would take, okay.

00:56:13.360 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:14.120 Here's my argument.

00:56:16.340 And I guess actually, this is kind of cheating a little bit.

00:56:19.080 I'm going to move it to no as well.

00:56:20.040 I would rather have a pint with St. Thomas Aquinas, but I would rather have two pints with St. Augustine.

00:56:26.760 I would rather smoke weed.

00:56:28.400 No, no, no.

00:56:29.980 No, yeah.

00:56:30.800 I love Thomas.

00:56:32.940 Here's the kind of distinction I like to make between Augustine and Aquinas, and only our Catholic listeners will get this.

00:56:38.660 Augustine is beautiful like a garden.

00:56:41.280 Aquinas is beautiful like a game board instruction manual is beautiful.

00:56:45.760 There is a beauty to it.

00:56:48.000 Not a word is wasted.

00:56:49.560 The comprehensive.

00:56:50.240 It's very specific and clear.

00:56:52.320 He says more in a page than modern theologians say in books.

00:56:55.100 Yes.

00:56:55.520 I love the man.

00:56:56.580 I really do think I'd love him.

00:56:58.160 He might not like me, but I'd love him.

00:56:59.800 But my only argument here for getting the pint is St. Thomas Aquinas, one of the most intelligent people that's ever lived, one of the greatest theologians ever to live.

00:57:11.500 But if you're hanging out, and it's like you've got St. Augustine who had a kind of wild youth.

00:57:17.320 Lord, make me chase, but not yet.

00:57:19.260 Or you've got this other fellow who's chasing prostitutes out with firebrands.

00:57:22.540 Who do you relate to?

00:57:23.920 No, that's a good point.

00:57:24.660 I just, I don't know, you'd probably leave with just as a raw amount of knowledge, you would leave with more of that from St. Thomas Aquinas.

00:57:33.980 Yeah.

00:57:34.300 However.

00:57:34.820 But it is interesting that you read Thomas in the Sumer and other works of his, and he sounds like a chat GPT who spat out syllogisms.

00:57:42.420 But when you read his poetry, you see the heart of St. Augustine there, you know.

00:57:46.320 Oh, yes.

00:57:46.840 His hymns are glorious.

00:57:47.940 Yeah, yeah.

00:57:48.240 So either way, this is the last drink.

00:57:52.120 Chin chin to your health.

00:57:54.260 Next time we bring out the spliffs.

00:57:57.740 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:57:59.400 This is the game, yes or no game.

00:58:02.420 We'll see you next time.

The Michael Knowles Show - March 26, 2023

YES or NO with Matt Fradd ｜ Real Answers and Real Drinks

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