The Michael Knowles Show - ＂You're Crazy!＂ Should Women Vote？ HEATED Debate With Michael Knowles

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00:00:27.920 if you could wave a magic wand right now would you repeal the 19th amendment i think it would

00:00:34.000 be better for the betterment of the of the nation women really just vote i mean especially on the 0.99

00:00:37.740 left just for abortion and maybe we need to just reel it back a little bit leftist blondie are you 0.85

00:00:41.880 a child who only cares about slaughtering infants i i hear this from you conservatives all the time 0.99

00:00:46.680 the countries where white women are the happiest are the countries where women are more equal to 0.97

00:00:50.320 men switzerland norway sweden you brought in race you're the one who says white women are only happy

00:00:55.080 in the whitest countries in the world. 0.97

00:00:56.680 You're sitting here like covered in tattoos 0.98

00:00:58.040 and like a cross necklace and colorful hair.

00:00:59.800 I just want to point that out.

00:01:00.720 It's not fair.

00:01:01.260 What's your point?

00:01:02.380 Can you explain how actually having red hair

00:01:04.300 makes me not a Christian?

00:01:05.580 Traditionally, people like Michael Mulls on his team

00:01:07.940 would call you a heretic for dressing like that

00:01:09.780 and then calling yourself a Christian. 1.00

00:01:11.680 Should women vote? 0.99

00:01:13.840 Should I even be allowed to have an opinion on that? 1.00

00:01:17.040 I have answers to both of those questions, 1.00

00:01:19.000 but I brought women on to give me political cover. 0.98

00:01:21.360 I'm very excited to have back to the show 1.00

00:01:24.360 one of my favorite libs I've ever had on any of my shows. That would be Leftist Blondie, 0.99

00:01:29.840 who you can catch in one of my Bar Fight episodes just a few weeks ago. 1.00

00:01:34.160 Returning once again, Melanie Mack, along with Emily Saves America. This is a nice reunion and

00:01:41.980 an introduction to the show, Priya Patel, a conservative commentator. I'm going to tell

00:01:48.520 a little tale out of school before we delve into the question, ladies. I've wanted to have this

00:01:52.920 debate for a while because I found I was doing public events and people were asking me seriously

00:01:57.200 if we should work to campaign to repeal the 19th amendment. I said, it doesn't seem totally

00:02:04.660 realistic. I don't know, but they kept bringing it up and it wasn't just a bomb throwing kind

00:02:09.220 of thing. They were very serious about it. So I said, okay, well, let me see. Let's have a panel

00:02:13.120 about it. Let's get some libs and some conservatives, people who support women voting, 1.00

00:02:18.120 people who oppose women voting. I couldn't find a conservative woman who supported women's 0.99

00:02:25.480 suffrage. The number of women who were conservative in the year of our Lord, 2026, who actually think 0.98

00:02:32.840 women should vote is vanishingly small. So I said, man, the culture really shifts real fast,

00:02:39.940 doesn't it? Could we just go around the horn real quick? It may be an order of introduction,

00:02:44.780 leftist blondie melanie emily and priya do you just real quick do you think women should vote

00:02:51.100 yes of course i think that women should vote it is in their best interest

00:02:55.380 next up i'm fine if we do or if we don't melanie i think if we had the right infrastructure we

00:03:02.860 wouldn't have to but in our current infrastructure yes we need to vote okay priya um i think it

00:03:09.960 would be a near impossible move for our country to make. But I mean, women's suffrage goes against 1.00

00:03:15.340 essentially what the founders established in our country. So. See, this is what I'm saying. So I 0.70

00:03:20.680 get this was the most diverse panel I could assemble. And you've got two conservatives who

00:03:26.220 say now women probably shouldn't vote or maybe I don't really care, whatever. One woman says 1.00

00:03:31.260 definitely shouldn't vote. And then we have leftist blondie out there who says, yes, it's in 1.00

00:03:35.100 their interests. So without revealing my perspective on this just yet, leftist blondie, 0.89

00:03:41.300 you're the odd man out, odd lady out. Why should women vote? Something in between. 1.00

00:03:47.140 Yeah. So I think there's a few different arguments. You can look at political

00:03:50.320 philosophy that has a lot of arguments regarding voting and why citizens in general should vote.

00:03:55.700 And if those arguments extend to women, then women also have a duty to vote. You can look at things

00:03:59.920 like people who opt into a social contract, whether tacitly or actively, have a moral

00:04:04.780 obligation to vote. If women are included in those people who have opted into, you know,

00:04:09.520 a social contract in a society where they benefit from voting, then they should be able to vote. 1.00

00:04:14.120 Okay. Well, let's say they benefit from voting. But as you point out, the social contract,

00:04:18.160 this premise of liberal government says that people get certain rights from the government

00:04:24.840 and they have certain responsibilities toward the government. And so one of the arguments made by

00:04:28.980 people who oppose women's suffrage is that men have many more obligations than women do. Most

00:04:35.220 notably, perhaps the draft. They've got to go out there and fight in wars. The government can

00:04:39.760 compel them to do so. Women, at least for now, don't have that obligation. So if men have more 1.00

00:04:45.540 at stake, is more on the line for men, shouldn't men have more say over when we do and do not go

00:04:51.420 to war? Well, that question wouldn't make it such that women should no longer be able to vote or 0.93

00:04:57.040 shouldn't vote. It would just mean something like maybe men have, you know, more of an obligation

00:05:01.600 to vote or maybe men, um, who their roads should weigh more or something crazy like that. Um, but

00:05:07.240 that's not, um, with women voting, I don't think that the draft should be a thing. So I think that 1.00

00:05:14.080 saying like, well, men just have these greater obligations that kind of assumes that they should

00:05:18.220 be. So we have a draft now at the very least we are, we have selective service.

00:05:23.800 Well, presumably we're not here to talk about like what currently exists.

00:05:26.560 We're here to talk about like what people should do.

00:05:28.820 No, but I guess your point is, so right now, year of our Lord, 2026, where a ton of conservative

00:05:33.300 women now are anti-women suffrage. 0.63

00:05:34.920 You say that we're all in this social contract together and that's why women should vote.

00:05:38.680 I'm just pointing out right now, men have certain obligations that women don't have.

00:05:43.920 And so doesn't that contradict your argument? 0.95

00:05:47.360 No, it doesn't actually contradict my argument.

00:05:49.240 In fact, there's other supplemental arguments that could motivate women to voting.

00:05:53.460 So I think that just because people have certain moral responsibilities doesn't mean that they somehow should get a more political say in something.

00:06:02.240 And once again, we're here to talk about what people should do.

00:06:06.500 If we want to talk about like, oh, OK, well, there's currently people in our justice system who are wrongfully incarcerated.

00:06:13.060 Well, that's just the way it is. I guess they'll be wrongfully incarcerated.

00:06:15.700 Well, we should talk about what kind of society that we want to see.

00:06:19.240 No, but I guess there might be some confusion here.

00:06:21.820 I mean, we're not talking about morality necessarily in this question.

00:06:25.800 You said that the whole premise of your argument is that we have a certain civic setup and we have certain benefits that we get from civil society and we have certain obligations.

00:06:34.900 And so if certain people have more civic obligations, then shouldn't they have more rights within the civil society?

00:06:44.320 Well, no, certainly not.

00:06:45.400 You can look at like people like police officers.

00:06:47.180 I think police officers in certain cases have more of an obligation to protect their citizens.

00:06:51.820 But they volunteer.

00:06:52.340 Now, do they have, okay, right, but they still take that responsibility upon themselves.

00:06:57.400 So they do still have more moral obligations.

00:06:59.800 I think that politicians have more moral obligations and political obligations than the average person does.

00:07:05.420 Should a politician's vote matter than the average person's?

00:07:07.620 Well, no, of course not.

00:07:09.860 Okay, Priya, you're the most opposed to it. 0.96

00:07:13.540 Why should women not vote? 0.99

00:07:14.860 The founders believed in universal suffrage. And I mean, I think that self-governance comes with a moral responsibility, but also, I mean, some sort of stake in the game.

00:07:25.560 And today we have a mass movement of people that are hyper dependent on the government that don't have any personal property that they own.

00:07:33.600 They're not married. They have nothing that they're actually voting for other than emotional and and short term.

00:07:41.540 I mean, essentially incentives, right? And of course that ties into the 19th amendment,

00:07:47.280 but it's not necessarily an argument to take away women's rights altogether. But I mean,

00:07:53.200 I think that the problem was, is destructuring exactly what the fundamental political unit is,

00:07:58.180 and that's the family. Yes. Cause look, when you say essentially that women are just more

00:08:03.700 emotional and they're, I say, well, sure, maybe that's true, but also, you know, there are plenty

00:08:07.600 of men who are low information, who are emotional. There are plenty of men who in an ideal regime

00:08:11.380 probably wouldn't vote either. So I think you've really hit on the point here, which is when the

00:08:16.200 country was founded, the fundamental political unit was the family. And then the 19th Amendment

00:08:21.460 says, no, no, the fundamental political unit is the individual. And this is why there were so many

00:08:25.880 women, I think it was the majority of women, who opposed women's suffrage, who opposed the 19th

00:08:29.900 Amendment. And it's not just that they were self-hating women or they were misogynists or 0.92

00:08:33.900 something. There actually is a deep political philosophical question here, which is, well,

00:08:38.340 hold on, what's going to be the basic unit of society? Is it going to be the family or is it

00:08:41.000 to be the individual. Exactly. And it was the family when the founders, I mean, wrote up the

00:08:46.460 constitution and I mean, essentially founded our country. But now we have a society of hyper

00:08:52.320 individualism and that's not only tied to women and feminism, it's obviously spread throughout 0.95

00:08:57.220 society. But I mean, right now it's nearly impossible for young people to actually gain

00:09:01.900 ownership of anything. And they're voting for more government dependence, honestly,

00:09:06.980 and punishing people that actually make society that vote in the interest of the person and the

00:09:11.800 ability to move upward in society, upward mobility, essentially. They're voting against

00:09:18.240 that. They're voting for more government spending and punishing the people that actually helps

00:09:22.180 society run. But that's not just a woman thing. I mean, there are male libs. They're one of the 1.00

00:09:27.560 most odious groups in the world. And so, you know, specifically, if you could wave a magic wand

00:09:34.500 right now, would you repeal the 19th amendment? I would. I think it's better for, I think it would

00:09:40.380 be better for the country overall. And I would gladly give up my right to vote for, um, for the

00:09:45.380 betterment of the, of the nation. But do I think that that's a realistic thing that would happen

00:09:49.560 today? No, but I think that we could go back to something in terms of, um, I don't know exactly

00:09:54.700 how you'd structure this, but something of a, um, a single family vote, but there'd have to 0.81

00:10:00.360 be some sort of stipulation because, of course, the individuals that are unmarried and don't own

00:10:05.500 property would vastly outnumber those that are married. But we'd have to structure it somehow

00:10:11.600 to where maybe you're married or you're a property owner or you're a business owner,

00:10:15.060 because I think that's the only way that we get back to a society that's actually voting for

00:10:19.720 the betterment of the people. And that's how you earn self-governance, I think, at the end of the

00:10:23.800 day. People who have a stake in society. Emily, you said you don't care. You don't care. You're

00:10:28.140 being so flippant about your right to vote that your feminist, I can't say your feminist ancestors 1.00

00:10:33.660 because a lot of the feminists didn't have kids, but like your great, great aunt, you know, was 0.96

00:10:37.800 marching forward with the suffragettes and you're just spitting in her face and saying, you don't 1.00

00:10:42.300 care that she won you the sacred right to vote. How dare you? Uh, yeah. I mean, a lot of men helped

00:10:50.600 out as well. And maybe she wasn't doing that. Maybe she was sitting at home and she was very 0.96

00:10:55.400 happy and she didn't want to go work because it sucks. And I've never met a woman that really 0.97

00:10:59.180 wants to go to work. Um, I feel like it's kind of like, we have to treat women now almost like 1.00

00:11:03.680 children. It's like, we gave them too much. Now we need to reel it back in a bit. You kind of 0.99

00:11:08.160 have to teach them a lesson the hard way. And I don't understand people are voting and they have

00:11:11.860 no stake in the game. They're voting for more government. They want more free handouts. And

00:11:16.320 then women really just vote. I mean, especially on the left, just for abortion. That's the only 1.00

00:11:19.960 thing they care about. They want the right to, um, kill innocent babies. And so I'm like, I don't 1.00

00:11:25.060 know, maybe we gave you guys too much, and maybe we need to just reel it back a little bit. Is that

00:11:30.060 going to happen? I hope it would. Leftist Blondie, are you a child who only cares about

00:11:34.940 slaughtering infants? And do we need to teach you a lesson, Leftist Blondie, per Emily? 0.99

00:11:41.180 Well, I mean, if we want to talk about unjust slaughtering in the United States, I think we

00:11:45.580 should address factory farming first. So I'm more considerate about that type of issue if we're

00:11:49.620 talking about lives unjustly being taken. So we can go into that kind of thing if you really want

00:11:54.420 too. But I don't think that the abortion, of course, there's a fundamental disagreement that

00:11:58.840 the taking of the fetus's life before sentience is unjust. So I think there would be an argument

00:12:03.560 given for that. Not nearly as unjust as killing the chickens, you would say.

00:12:06.120 I was going to say, I agree. No, you're right. Yeah, no, killing a fetus that's not sentient

00:12:11.800 is less unjust than killing an animal that is sentient and can feel pain and desires to live.

00:12:17.600 So yeah, I think that's a, it's a pretty moral grave wrong. But there's going to be pretty

00:12:21.040 I'm starting to go into one camp on the 19th Amendment now.

00:12:24.320 That answer is pushing me much further.

00:12:27.180 I mean, this is the problem. 1.00

00:12:27.780 We want women to take away their rights. 1.00

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00:13:45.900 freeborn.com slash knowles so you want to take away rights for 51 of the country because one

00:13:53.700 percent of the population is vegan preferably more is that yeah but i mean that's what michael

00:13:59.140 was saying or he's over here for me but um also now they came out with that plant can feel pain

00:14:05.080 but technically if you eat vegetables kind of evil that's just incorrect well if plants have

00:14:10.180 feelings and plants can feel pain then you should eat vegan because then you're eating less plants

00:14:14.000 But anyways, so to address what Mike said, I know this is getting a little far afield, but if you're not eating plants and you're not eating meat, are you eating rocks?

00:14:22.180 Certainly you're eating organic matter, I think.

00:14:24.940 Isn't that how eating works?

00:14:27.380 Eating vegan causes less crop deaths and less animal deaths.

00:14:31.440 So, yes, you should eat.

00:14:32.740 And it also causes less plant deaths because most of the crops that we grow go towards livestock.

00:14:38.100 I'm going full Al Bundy on the 19th Amendment every second of this conversation.

00:14:43.220 Melanie do you bringing you over Michael Melanie well I really want to address really quickly if I 0.99

00:14:47.820 can what Priya said about you know you should have to own property or maybe have a family or

00:14:51.480 be married to vote so then are you fine excluding you know and what Michael said about like well

00:14:55.860 men have to go to war so what about the men who can't go to war what about the people who will 0.54

00:15:00.200 never get married or can't get married like nuns should nuns not be able to vote should certain

00:15:04.560 priests not be able to vote I honestly don't think most nuns do vote to be honest with you

00:15:09.220 No, in fairness, if they vote, they probably vote Republican. 0.97

00:15:12.060 So I do want to franchise the nuns. 0.99

00:15:15.760 Right.

00:15:16.280 So you're disenfranchising groups that you don't want to disenfranchise by doing that

00:15:19.800 sort of thing. 1.00

00:15:20.680 Well, that's a very good point.

00:15:21.760 This is my hesitation, really, because I think what the crux of the matter is, is a disagreement

00:15:27.800 over how people view voting in itself.

00:15:30.760 Some people think voting is a good in itself.

00:15:32.900 I couldn't puff daddy 25 years ago before the freak offs and all that before the prison

00:15:37.240 when he would just go and he'd say, vote or die. Like, I'll shoot you if you don't vote. 0.99

00:15:40.760 Doesn't matter who you vote for. You just got to vote. And I thought, well, I don't know. Voting 0.99

00:15:43.900 in itself doesn't mean anything at all. You go, you pull a ballot. These days, you, I don't know,

00:15:48.460 you like type a number on a computer. And so that doesn't matter. It's an instrument

00:15:52.620 for good government. And so I'm kind of, I'm with you, Priya and Emily. I would,

00:15:57.760 I would happily surrender my vote if they disenfranchised millennial cigar smokers. 0.99

00:16:03.040 and and that would give millennial cigar smokers are super right wing but if cigar smokers generally 0.77

00:16:08.800 but if doing so would give me better government take my vote i don't care now i get a tuesday free

00:16:13.460 every november melanie do you have a more reasonable take i do because i think some of

00:16:18.900 these are short-term solutions that sound all fine and good right now i think that if women

00:16:22.780 didn't vote right now would fix a lot of short-term problems but we have to look at the

00:16:26.800 big picture here and we have to look at before when women didn't vote it was because most of 0.99

00:16:31.720 them, the high majority were in the home and they weren't out in the workforce. Now, almost 50% of 1.00

00:16:37.380 the workforce is women. And then also you have the fact that almost everybody who voted back in the

00:16:44.480 day before women could vote were Christian men. And so right now society isn't exactly functioning 0.72

00:16:51.100 optimally in a Christian manner. And I think that truly how we succeed as a nation is going to be 0.98

00:16:58.260 with God. And so if, if we are not acting as a Christian nation, then I don't trust giving up

00:17:04.920 my vote to godless men. I just don't. And I think that especially given like the rise of Muslims 1.00

00:17:10.800 that are just taking over everywhere and things like that, we, we run into potential issues in 1.00

00:17:17.160 the future of where it's like, okay, I don't want to be forced to wear a hijab. I want to at least 1.00

00:17:21.740 be able to have a voice and say, no, I ain't down with that. So if society really put their focus

00:17:29.220 on God, and then we had more rules in place, like, okay, a landowner and all of this stuff,

00:17:37.840 then, okay, maybe it can work. But right now in a pretty secular society that isn't focusing on

00:17:43.940 God and that has gone full clown world in a lot of ways, I don't trust giving up my vote.

00:17:48.460 Okay, so Leftist Blondie says that women should vote because chickens are more precious than fetuses. 0.99

00:17:54.740 And Melanie, you're saying women should vote because Muslims and atheists threaten all of us in the country. 0.93

00:18:02.280 Leftist Blondie, would you? 0.96

00:18:03.660 So then, therefore, Leftist Blondie, you, sorry, I've got to point that way.

00:18:07.100 You are on the side of Melanie.

00:18:10.160 You both think that women should vote, but you don't fear Muslims and atheists.

00:18:14.520 no i'm not really generally scared of muslims not in the u.s at least i might be i may feel 0.90

00:18:20.420 different if i lived in the middle east but um they're not the most feminist people muslims in 0.51

00:18:24.460 my experience maybe the idea is maybe we enfranchise the muslims and then the muslims 1.00

00:18:29.420 they have a lot of kids and they spread out all over the place they've already taken over several 0.68

00:18:32.900 towns in the united states and then they are the ones who repeal the 19th amendment

00:18:36.760 kind of yeah right now it's a small replacement but it could i guess if they're very fecund they

00:18:42.120 could have a great replacement and then when they come into power uh yeah i don't think there's a 0.89

00:18:47.020 lot of women's suffrage in muslim countries yeah i'm not scared of muslims replacing me that's 0.95

00:18:53.660 very strange i don't um i don't know if we're like the superior culture like we can be so easily

00:18:58.600 replaced and it's backed up by data and there's government documents you can literally go read

00:19:03.520 about it and it's literally happening look at the uk and then what is this yeah and the democrats

00:19:08.160 of white people are too busy sterilizing themselves having abortions taking ssris being single being

00:19:14.900 girl bosses you know the countries where coming here and they're popping out 50 babies look at 0.97

00:19:19.340 the look at the somalians it's like that is very real happening you like it or not you know where 0.87

00:19:25.380 the white women are the happiest take a guess guess what countries where are you gonna check 0.81

00:19:33.460 yourself in what are women that have white women the happiest i'm good wait left is blind

00:19:40.440 okay so you prove my point it's not

00:19:46.680 where are the white women the happiest i want to know the the countries where white women are the

00:19:54.680 happiest are the countries where women are more equal to men and they also have greater

00:19:58.660 reproductive rights, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, uh, all the Nordic countries. 1.00

00:20:03.820 Humanically white countries. Okay. All right. Well, I don't look, I don't want to touch that. 1.00

00:20:08.260 Where are we talking about great replacement or are we talking about voting and whether or not

00:20:12.680 you should vote? You brought in rights. You're the one who says white women are only happy in

00:20:15.880 the whitest countries in the world. I didn't, I wasn't, I was just talking about voting.

00:20:19.020 I didn't say, wait, wait, wait, this is a straw man. I think that's incredibly dishonest coming

00:20:22.800 from the right. Oh, that's what I'm claiming is that white women are only happiest in the 0.95

00:20:27.160 in these white countries i'm not saying that they're only happy in those countries i'm saying

00:20:30.620 that the correlation with women being able to vote and have reproductive choices makes them happier

00:20:35.860 and that's backed up by data that's actually women can vote in a lot of countries you're the one who

00:20:39.960 said they're only happy in the white country do you think that i think that women in afghanistan 0.80

00:20:47.300 are happy no because you think they're only happy in the white countries okay so on women's

00:20:51.880 happiness. I want to, I want to make this, hold on. I just want to point out. So over the 20th

00:20:57.280 century, you had this rise in feminism. In the early 20th century, you get the 19th amendment 1.00

00:21:01.800 and the first wave of feminism. Then you get the second wave of feminism, this explosion in the

00:21:05.600 1960s. Then we had the third wave in the 90s. Now we're in like the 57th phase or something.

00:21:09.940 But there was a strange study apropos of our conversation about women voting and whether

00:21:15.060 these supposed rights have actually made them better off. There was a study that came out of

00:21:19.000 Yale, I think it was 2008, it was called the paradox of declining female happiness. And it

00:21:24.340 found that during the rise of feminism, women became less happy. Now, men also became less

00:21:30.360 happy, but women became even less happy than the men did. So the Yale study viewed this as a

00:21:36.560 paradox. They said, women should be so much happier because feminism's on the rise. And now 1.00

00:21:40.220 they're single and they work in the widget factory for Mr. McGillicuddy and they vote and they sleep 0.87

00:21:43.960 around and they can kill their kids and it's all, it should be so great. But then it turned out

00:21:47.800 they got really unhappy during exactly that period of time. So wouldn't that be an argument

00:21:52.740 against the various feminist policies, potentially all the way up to including suffrage?

00:21:59.440 Well, there's a problem here with correlation and causation, and I'm sure you understand that

00:22:02.960 as a college graduate yourself, that not only like something just existing at the same time

00:22:07.820 doesn't mean that that thing causes the other thing. It doesn't mean it, but it does raise

00:22:11.360 your eyebrows. It doesn't mean it. It doesn't mean it doesn't. Okay. Should. Okay. Well,

00:22:15.580 Well, then take this example and raise your eyebrows at this. Ice cream sales go up in the summer. So does violent crime. Is ice cream sales correlated now with violent crime? Of course not. These things are separate.

00:22:23.260 No, but I guess the distinction between this comparison of violent crime and ice cream and the point that I'm making is that we're studying, on the one hand, additional political licenses and rights given to women and new social opportunities given to women and how women are feeling about their state in life.

00:22:41.820 So those two things are intrinsically related, whereas violent crime and ice cream have nothing

00:22:47.300 to do with each other. Intrinsically related? Yeah. What women do and how women feel are

00:22:53.300 intrinsically related. All you're doing is begging the question. I'm not begging the question. I'm 0.94

00:22:57.280 making an observation that habit and feeling relate to each other. You are assuming that that is true

00:23:00.800 when that's what's in dispute. You're assuming that that's true when that's what's in dispute.

00:23:04.020 I'm not just assuming that. I'm explaining why those two things are related. The things that I

00:23:07.600 do during my day uh are directly related to the way that i feel whereas uh an ice cream cone and

00:23:14.420 a murder are are very likely not related at all you can get an ice cream cone and then go commit

00:23:19.460 a murder what the are you talking about ice cream does not make people commit murder that's my case

00:23:24.680 i don't want to be guilty and i disagree that feminism causes people to be unhappy

00:23:29.080 okay melanie what do you think i feel like she was just going on about how oh women in countries 0.98

00:23:35.320 where they can have abortions are happier. And I feel like that's a, you know, that that's

00:23:40.560 inaccurate as well. It's not the abortions that are making these women happier. Women who have

00:23:44.360 abortions, most of them experience trauma and it messes them up. So this is a whole psyop to make,

00:23:50.540 to make women vote for something that actually hurts them. And that benefits men who can sleep 0.70

00:23:56.200 with women without committing to them and without marrying them or taking care of them. So all it is, 0.78

00:24:00.500 benefits men i mean that's just benefits women for their bodies that's all it's about and

00:24:09.000 especially if you look at the history of abortion and all of that kind of stuff like a lot of it

00:24:12.880 was was because men wanted to wanted to be able to sleep with women and then they somehow were

00:24:17.360 able to manipulate women into thinking that it's good for women to abort their babies because these

00:24:22.380 men don't have to take responsibility for sleeping with women and using their bodies 0.98

00:24:25.680 Fact check true. That's look, we can, we can paint, we can paint abortion out to be this 0.94

00:24:30.120 thing that traumatizes every single woman that, and that no woman should ever do because some

00:24:33.700 women experienced trauma out of it. But 95% of women think that the abortion after the fact

00:24:39.060 was the right decision for themselves. But that number is different from abortion regret. It's

00:24:43.280 true. You're right that a very high number of women who have abortions go on to say,

00:24:47.380 I stand by my decision. I think it was the right decision, but, but a, uh, much, a very large 1.00

00:24:52.580 number, I think it's in the 60s, but I don't know the exact statistic, do say they experienced some

00:24:57.140 form of regret or trauma or difficulty. So those two things can be true at once. You can say,

00:25:01.680 I found this very dramatic, but it was still the right decision. That's how the statistics kind of

00:25:06.020 lie about it. Regardless, though, to Melanie's point, what she's saying is, look, women have 1.00

00:25:11.120 voted for all these things. Women got the right to vote. They voted for all these things like

00:25:15.260 abortion. These things have made them unhappy at a personal level. And I mean, unless you're

00:25:21.080 unwilling to say that any social phenomena can, can have a causative relationship. I think we

00:25:26.680 would have to say that probably there's a little bit of causation there. And so therefore you'd

00:25:31.360 say, what's the good of voting? What's the good? If it's, if it's made even the women,

00:25:35.360 the people who was intended to help unhappy, what's the point? What good did you get out of

00:25:38.880 it? You got to pull a lever in a voting booth. This is still a classic question begging. I don't

00:25:45.300 agree to the conclusion and you're assuming the conclusion. I'm not, I'm again, I'm so, okay,

00:25:50.440 let me let's let's step back because i'm not begging the question but you are is it the case

00:25:56.680 that women have become less happy over the last 60 years yes but that's not sufficiently explained

00:26:04.000 by feminism why have they become less happy i we actually talked about this already i think it's

00:26:10.600 social and wealth inequality why are they less happy and the rise of hyper individual why have

00:26:15.740 they become even less happy than men? Men just don't care. Why have men become unhappy? That's

00:26:20.920 a more important question to look at is why have men also become more unhappy? But that's not the

00:26:24.480 question I'm asking. Is it also feminism? That's not the question I'm asking. Is it also feminism? 0.97

00:26:27.580 Why have the women in particular become unhappy coincidentally exactly over the period of the 0.99

00:26:34.180 rise of feminism? Why do you, you, you reject my answer, which is that it probably has something

00:26:38.580 to do with feminism. So what's your answer? Why would feminism disproportionately make women

00:26:44.160 unhappy. I'll answer your question because it's a false anthropology that makes mistakes about 1.00

00:26:52.120 human nature. And it tells women that the only way for them to flourish is to pretend to be like men 1.00

00:26:57.440 with whom they are indiscernible. So it says that men and women are identical and indiscernible

00:27:02.020 rather than what they actually are, which is complimentary. And so by telling women to 1.00

00:27:06.940 behave exactly as men, you are acting contrary to nature. And because of that, women will flourish 1.00

00:27:13.020 less and be less fulfilled. I bet you can do something like look at modern feminist philosophers 1.00

00:27:18.440 and ask them if they truly think that there's zero differences between men and women, which we've 0.52

00:27:22.320 already also talked about. I don't think that there's zero differences between men and women,

00:27:25.680 nor do I think men are women. So I think that you do this where you cherry pick certain feminists, 0.93

00:27:31.000 and then you go, cherry pick certain feminists, and then you go, oh, well, it's part of a core

00:27:35.540 thing about feminist philosophy that you must think that men and women are the same. And then 0.92

00:27:39.040 this is the thing that causes women to be somehow more depressed or more unhappy than men are,

00:27:44.660 well, wouldn't that also work the same way and apply also to men?

00:27:48.040 Yes, men have also become less happy, but because...

00:27:51.100 But why not at the same rates? 1.00

00:27:52.620 If feminism is the cause, feminism affects everybody. 1.00

00:27:54.780 Because it does affect everybody and it's been bad for everybody. 1.00

00:27:58.120 But feminism tells women in particular to act in a way that is contrary to their nature 0.99

00:28:02.460 in a way that it doesn't exactly tell men to act contrary to their nature. 0.96

00:28:06.400 Wait, you don't think that?

00:28:07.420 That's not even true.

00:28:08.160 You don't even believe that.

00:28:09.040 You don't even believe that.

00:28:10.600 I do.

00:28:10.960 You really think that because I hear this from you conservatives all the time that you think that feminism is the thing that caused the feminization of men over the last 50 years.

00:28:19.940 You don't believe that?

00:28:21.560 I think a lot of that's a story in the veganism.

00:28:23.780 Okay, so you do think that it has come the same way. 0.99

00:28:26.000 Yeah, I don't think it's just feminism. 1.00

00:28:27.180 So it doesn't feminize anyone. 1.00

00:28:28.860 I think it's society and I think it's everything they're poisoning men with. 0.91

00:28:31.800 And I also think women have like also aggressively like shamed men for so long that it's like inherently made them very feminine. 0.93

00:28:38.900 It's like, you know, I see girls like if you don't support abortion, I can't be with a man like you.

00:28:43.880 If you like open a door, if you hit on me, you if you ask me out, you're like creepy.

00:28:46.740 And then they're like going on dates and it didn't go well.

00:28:48.580 And they put out then they feel bad after. Now, all of a sudden, the guy's a rapist. 0.96

00:28:51.460 So I think it's like a mix of all those things. It's not good for either. 0.51

00:28:55.100 But also, can we just use like common sense as someone who was on the left and is now probably as far right as you can go?

00:29:01.800 do i enjoy work does it fulfill me no does it make me no no my lovely boyfriend and my dogs

00:29:09.480 and hopefully children one day that that that is like that's the dream i i love that that brings

00:29:15.320 me happiness do you think me and priya talk about how much we love our jobs and it's so happy or me

00:29:19.400 and any of my friends no every single woman i talk to is like i hate working it sucks i can't

00:29:24.040 wait to find a good man and i can't wait to be a new friends it's like one i'm not saying there are

00:29:29.320 no exceptions. It's like one out of 500. I agree. It's like one out of 500 women is a Margaret

00:29:34.960 Thatcher type, but 499 out of 5, 999 out of a thousand is exactly with you, Emily. That's the

00:29:40.800 case. And to your point, leftist blondie, if you, if you say, no, Michael, you misunderstand 0.80

00:29:44.280 feminism. You, you just, you missed the, the invisible ink and Mary Wollstonecraft or Simone 0.86

00:29:49.120 de Beauvoir, Betty Friedan. Really men, the feminists say that men and women are quite

00:29:53.120 different. Then you say, okay, well then why do we need to extend the exact same political rights

00:29:57.800 to women that we do to men. I thought that was your original premise. That's like saying like,

00:30:03.420 well, if white people and black people are different in certain cultural ways or things

00:30:06.880 like that, why should we extend the same rights to them? Because the sexual difference is much 0.89

00:30:15.180 greater than a racial difference. But you're missing the point here. We could take somebody

00:30:19.320 who's disabled, somebody who's wheelchair bound, someone who's wheelchair bound is significantly

00:30:22.740 different from somebody who's not wheelchair bound. That doesn't mean that we should start 0.57

00:30:25.540 excluding them politically. That's the point I'm making. I disagree with that. I think that the

00:30:28.640 sexual difference— You don't think that somebody—

00:30:29.660 No, I think that—look, all individuals are different to a certain degree, but I think that

00:30:33.780 the difference between men and women as categories is much, much greater, almost immeasurably greater

00:30:40.560 than the difference between an Italian guy and a black guy and a Jewish guy and a guy missing an

00:30:46.280 arm and a guy in a wheelchair. I think that difference, that sexual difference, is really 0.58

00:30:49.880 the fundamental distinction within human nature, whereas racial differences are a little more

00:30:54.220 difficult to nail down? Such that it would exclude someone for voting or should exclude someone from

00:30:59.480 voting? Well, listen, I'm just listening to you ladies. I'm trying to get your opinions. I haven't

00:31:02.860 voiced an opinion yet. I'll give you my opinion at the end. I'll give you my opinion at the end of

00:31:06.160 this. Priya, you've been very ladylike in your silence and demurring, you know, in this

00:31:12.940 conversation. However, has leftist Blondie convinced you at all? No, not remotely. If

00:31:19.140 anything, she's radicalized me even more to abolishing the 19th amendment, I think. 1.00

00:31:23.620 But no, I mean, she's, she's sitting here saying that feminism doesn't inherently argue that men 1.00

00:31:27.960 and women are, are equal and have no differences at all, but they don't need to make that argument 0.98

00:31:34.020 to essentially advocate for exactly that. And that's all feminism is. And it erodes the family, 1.00

00:31:39.560 which is the fundamental political unit. So if you take away everything that society is supposed

00:31:45.020 to stand on, I don't know what we're even arguing for. Yeah, this was the argument. This was the

00:31:50.580 argument from the anti-suffragettes, from all those ladies who said, you know, this is giving 0.99

00:31:55.140 women something that we do not want. This is upending our political order. This is a threat 1.00

00:32:00.140 to the family. We've seen many other threats to the family and attacks on the family and the

00:32:04.100 redefinition of the family in recent years. So I have a solution. Join your my solution.

00:32:09.700 My solution is, I agree one is not going to repeal the 19th Amendment generally.

00:32:16.900 And nor maybe should we, to your point, Melanie.

00:32:19.200 You know, we live in a pretty degenerate culture right now.

00:32:21.940 So I don't know that that would necessarily be good.

00:32:23.860 But I don't think that voting is a good per se.

00:32:26.280 I don't think the framers and the founders thought voting was a good per se.

00:32:28.800 In fact, the president was elected by an electoral college in the early years of our republic, not by popular voting.

00:32:35.240 Senators were elected by the states.

00:32:36.740 And so this idea that, you know, individuals universally going out and voting is as American as apple pie is totally revisionist history.

00:32:44.400 What I would do, because I do want the nuns to vote, because they vote for Republicans, and I do want married women to vote.

00:32:52.100 They vote Republican, and I do.

00:32:53.580 So here's what I would do. 0.99

00:32:55.700 Without removing a single woman vote, what I would do is take away the votes from the single women. 1.00

00:33:02.840 and I know there are going to be plenty of conservative single women, but just generally 0.94

00:33:05.980 speaking, the single women vote for Dems and the married women vote for Republicans. So I take all

00:33:10.100 the votes from the single women, even though some of them are Republicans. When they get married, 1.00

00:33:14.020 they'll become conservative. They'll get to vote again. I'd make an exception for nuns who are

00:33:19.600 married to God and I would give them two votes. And then all the single women would have no votes 1.00

00:33:26.520 whatsoever. The men would keep their one vote and therefore the families would get three votes. 0.96

00:33:32.840 and the single people would get no votes, and we would live in utopia. 0.79

00:33:38.000 Does that work?

00:33:40.060 I think this is brilliant.

00:33:41.820 I've thought about it a long time.

00:33:44.200 That does sound pretty great, but I think a really practical solution is that it's on us,

00:33:50.280 those of us who are Christians, to share the word of God and to make disciples

00:33:55.520 and to be fishers of men, because we really just have to rise up as a nation.

00:34:00.880 we have to turn to God and we have to call to him for help and we have to seek him. And so the

00:34:05.640 more of us and the more Christians that we make, that we bring back to Christ, then the more we

00:34:13.340 can get on focus and on God's plan. And that's the only way that we'll be able to thrive as a

00:34:18.420 nation is focusing on God. So how do we do that? I mean, I can't, this one, I'm pretty confident

00:34:23.300 of the causation relationship between feminism and female unhappiness. I'm less confident of 0.92

00:34:29.460 this one, but religiosity has declined since the 19th amendment. Yeah. That might be a scratch.

00:34:35.200 So how do we get back to it? How do we get back to the religious country? Yeah. I mean, 0.99

00:34:37.800 how we get back to it is we stand against this hippie Christianity and we stand against this,

00:34:42.880 all of this, like this modernized version of Christianity that's just meant to

00:34:47.260 make Jesus into some hippie and that makes the Bible conform to current societal standards.

00:34:52.540 And we need to be able to just really dive into the Bibles and look at it and say, hey,

00:34:56.560 this is the way things work. We try to conform the Bible to our ways and things all go to trash and

00:35:02.860 you've got pride parades and people cutting off genitals and things like that. So let's focus on

00:35:08.920 God's order. And then on us as believers, we need to just be sharing the truth. We need to be calling

00:35:13.440 out sin and we need to be calling people to repent. And if we share the word of God, faith

00:35:18.600 comes by hearing the word. So as people hear it, then the Holy Spirit will take over from there.

00:35:23.680 and we have to do our part with sharing.

00:35:26.080 Okay, well, I agree with that so much in theory,

00:35:28.320 but I see a political problem here,

00:35:30.720 which is that seems to assume this libertarian view

00:35:33.240 that politics is entirely downstream of culture,

00:35:36.780 and so you just gotta change hearts and minds,

00:35:39.040 and that's how you change the political order.

00:35:40.380 But I think there's also an ancient

00:35:42.080 and even Christian understanding

00:35:43.400 that the law is a teacher.

00:35:45.060 St. Paul tells us that too.

00:35:46.260 And so the political order itself

00:35:49.020 will change people's mind,

00:35:51.000 will to some degree cultivate habits of virtue,

00:35:53.120 and we live in this very degenerate culture now that promotes all sorts of weird sex stuff and 0.57

00:35:57.560 killing babies and opening borders and not enforcing the law and all so don't you need a

00:36:01.560 shock to the political system don't you need a serious reform that might begin to change those

00:36:06.200 hearts and minds and in our current system how are we supposed to get that yeah i think we need that

00:36:12.480 too i don't think we need anybody has any business being in office if they're not a christian and i

00:36:16.440 think that we do need to have more laws that are christian laws like we need to to put a stop to 0.89

00:36:21.840 the gay marriage. We needed to put a stop to a lot of this stuff, the abortion and all of these 1.00

00:36:26.140 things. And I think these things need to be implemented. It's on us as Christians to bring

00:36:32.060 other people to Christ. But then also just as a nation, we're not going to thrive if we are

00:36:38.300 catering to degeneracy. So as a nation, I believe that we need to have Christian laws as well. 0.58

00:36:43.340 Leftist Blondie, would you go along with that plan? Women get to keep the vote, even the liberal 1.00

00:36:48.400 single women so long as there's a religious test that only christians can serve in government

00:36:52.400 no i'm not a fascist fascist that's not okay not everything is i agree the religious test

00:37:00.380 is going to be hard but you wouldn't go along with that yeah sure i mean if you feel the same 0.96

00:37:05.980 way about islam then if you if you know muslims are coming in in the troves that they're coming 0.99

00:37:10.420 in and then they should be able to make the same parody argument to you no because we're a christian 0.98

00:37:15.240 yeah they're gonna make the same argument but from islam it's i think it's quite ironic saying

00:37:23.960 like um liberals are painting jesus out to be this hippie dippy woo-woo whatever thing and

00:37:29.120 you're sitting here like covered in tattoos and like a cross necklace and colorful hair i just

00:37:32.360 want to point that out it's not very okay what's your point what's your point

00:37:37.000 and says the irony is not lost on me where's the irony can you explain

00:37:42.660 wait i want to know the irony is calling can you explain the problem with my colored hair and

00:37:47.940 left is plenty no no i think tattoos are great i think tattoos are great i think okay like how

00:37:57.120 does that make me not a christian where's the irony traditionally traditionally people like

00:38:01.900 michael moles on his team would call you a heretic for dressing like that and then calling yourself

00:38:05.580 but christian i would never call her a heretic for dressing like that we'll have to get into

00:38:09.240 our discussions he's had me on the show multiple times so i love melanie's style you're interested

00:38:14.860 in the features than the way she looks yeah so hold on we've now we've now degraded the

00:38:20.660 political order to such a degree that only appearances matter we're not even discussing

00:38:24.620 what goes beneath the skin look ladies you've radicalized me this is funny a final word priya

00:38:30.640 no i mean i i liked your point michael i think we need to reorder society uh in a way that we

00:38:38.500 yes put god at the forefront but also so that we take out this hyper individualism that we that we

00:38:44.220 have just infested in every aspect of our society today well look i totally i'm i'm i've been

00:38:51.100 radicalized by all of you and it's a real white pill that the these young vibrant women are

00:38:56.620 thinking in this way that's more, more right wing than like the fattest, baldest conservative of 0.81

00:39:02.040 1995. And I feel great. And I would very happily and tactically give three of the four women on

00:39:10.360 this panel, 20 or 30 votes each, 20 or 30,000 votes each in every election, actually. But I

00:39:15.500 won't say which is which. Ladies, wonderful to see all of you. I look forward to seeing you all

00:39:20.540 again. Thank you. See you all next time. I'm Michael Knowles feeling very hopeful about our

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The Michael Knowles Show - April 18, 2026

＂You're Crazy!＂ Should Women Vote？ HEATED Debate With Michael Knowles

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