The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - August 13, 2021


104. Top 3 Biohacks to Improve Your Health Immediately ｜ Dave Asprey


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00:00:00.000 And it went from Dave, thanks for all of your advice to, you know, you're a charlatan snake
00:00:04.240 oil salesman because like there's about 20,000 trolls, the death squad guys, literally they
00:00:10.100 sicked them on me. So all of a sudden my social media just went all to hell overnight. I'm like,
00:00:13.580 wow, this is kind of freaking me out. And I didn't really know how to take it. So I did some of the
00:00:19.260 weird personal development stuff that I do. And I just realized after a little while, every time
00:00:23.540 Joe says something bad about me, I'm selling more coffee, even though like it kind of hurts.
00:00:28.380 And I just realized I didn't do anything wrong. I did everything at the highest integrity.
00:00:34.520 Bottom line is I'm pretty sure that there's a reason the companies that Joe owns are starting
00:00:40.240 to sell MCT oil and trying to copy the coffee. They just couldn't do the mold free thing. So
00:00:44.540 we tried to say it wasn't real. And I would challenge anyone who thinks it's not real
00:00:47.960 to just read what I write. Damn. Okay. That's spicy. I'm just going to say, Joe,
00:00:53.840 Thank you, brother. I appreciate all the sales. I appreciate you. I appreciate all the stuff
00:00:59.040 you're doing in the world. And I don't feel bad for not getting high before I was interviewed on
00:01:04.140 your show because I would have sounded like a total idiot. This is episode 104 of the Michaela
00:01:13.200 Peterson podcast. Today I am joined by Dave Asprey. Dave Asprey is the founder and chairman
00:01:18.960 of Bulletproof and one of the world's first biohackers. Probably the first. Not only is he
00:01:26.780 a four-time New York best-selling author, but he's helped so many people improve their health.
00:01:32.360 We spoke about internal and external factors that can impact one's mind and body from fasting and
00:01:37.700 dietary restrictions to supplements and mold. What he went through, Joe Rogan. We discussed sleep
00:01:44.100 problems in depth and I've actually fixed my sleep since then. Turns out I was reacting to
00:01:48.300 citric acid in the electrolytes I was taking. That's been keeping me awake at night for an
00:01:52.680 entire year. Yeah, I'll be releasing something about that. If you enjoyed this, please remember
00:01:57.620 to subscribe. And I believe Dave is hosting a biohacking conference this September. If you
00:02:01.800 guys are interested in going to Florida, meeting a whole bunch of interesting open individuals,
00:02:05.860 learning about health, I'd recommend checking that out. It's linked below. I'd like to introduce
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00:02:25.740 if you can do it, like turkey or a biltong. I went cold turkey into pure health food,
00:02:31.360 no packaged foods, no fun, no air fryers. I didn't know how to cook. I was 23. It was really not fun.
00:02:38.320 And a huge part of that was because there actually weren't any packaged foods that were healthy
00:02:41.760 enough that I could comfortably eat with my insanely limited autoimmune paleo diet at the
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00:03:34.780 Dave Asprey, welcome to my podcast.
00:03:37.820 Michaela, I'm super happy to be here.
00:03:40.620 I'm excited to talk to you.
00:03:42.280 I've known about you for years, the guy behind Bulletproof Coffee.
00:03:48.300 Yeah, a few other little biohacking things here and there, including one of the early
00:03:54.380 major grass-fed meat voices where it's so important to get it.
00:03:59.540 And watching you as you dealt with a lot of the same stuff that I dealt with just in your
00:04:04.040 own health and saying, oh, look what happens when you eat the right meat and you get rid
00:04:08.760 of bad stuff in your gut.
00:04:09.900 So I'm, I am impressed and amused and just happy to see all the changes that you've had
00:04:15.720 in your life from switching out how you eat, because it makes such a difference.
00:04:19.940 It really, really does.
00:04:21.620 I actually got better.
00:04:23.300 Oh, it's funny.
00:04:24.380 For the first year in a bed, I ate mainly grain fed.
00:04:28.740 It wasn't grain fed, like corn fed, because Canada, I think, has even their low quality
00:04:34.260 beef seems to be better than the low quality beef in America.
00:04:37.560 But it was mainly standard, but yeah.
00:04:39.380 Oh, yeah, right. But it was mainly grass fed grain finished. But now, you know, I eat the
00:04:47.720 best I can afford. So I eat grass fed because why wouldn't you eat grass fed if you can buy grass
00:04:53.040 fed? You do it partly for the soil, partly for the animal and also to avoid glyphosate because
00:04:59.620 there's so much of that in grain fed beef and it disrupts gut bacteria. And if you're working on
00:05:03.520 healing stuff. It's one of those things where we're kind of a reflection of the soil that we
00:05:09.300 live on and around. Okay. Interesting. We should probably get into that. Uh, but we should start
00:05:15.660 off. If anyone doesn't know who you are or isn't familiar with your work, can you give a brief
00:05:19.960 background about who you are and what you do? Sure. I'm a former Silicon Valley computer hacker
00:05:26.580 and entrepreneur. About 10 years ago, I started the field of biohacking. And the original definition
00:05:33.960 of that is the art and science of changing the environment around you and inside of you so that
00:05:39.040 you have control of your own biology. I did that because I weighed 300 pounds. I had brain fog,
00:05:43.680 chronic fatigue syndrome, high risk of stroke and heart attack, arthritis, and a bunch of other
00:05:49.060 bad stuff going on before I was 30. So I'm financially successful at the company that
00:05:54.900 hold Google's first servers. And I have the accelerator pressed all the way to the floor
00:05:59.240 and I'm slowing down. And I'm like, what are you doing? I'm 26 years old. And so I bought
00:06:03.680 disability insurance because I wouldn't have hired myself. I was truly afraid. I ended up
00:06:08.160 spending hundreds of thousands of dollars fixing my biology and then about more than a million
00:06:12.500 more upgrading my biology. I'm well known for Bulletproof Coffee, which is a venture-backed
00:06:18.500 company that I raised $80 million for. And I've stepped away from that entirely. I'm now CEO of
00:06:23.260 upgrade labs which is franchising this year to hundreds of locations around this is a facility
00:06:29.240 lets you go in and upgrade human biology better than you could at a gym okay that's fascinating
00:06:37.460 okay i want to know more about that upgrade upgrade labs yep upgrade labs.com there you go
00:06:45.480 now i just did that subtle plug did you see it that i did yeah so where can i go to get that
00:06:50.940 upgrade labs.com. Okay. I want to get into that. Um, can we start off? Well, you gave a brief
00:06:56.200 background about what biohacking is. Uh, so can you give me just right off the bat?
00:07:03.500 What can the regular person do to upgrade like top three biohacks and then we can delve into them?
00:07:10.660 Well, one of the things that happens is you get, uh, you get something wrong with you and say,
00:07:16.960 I'm going to do what's supposed to work, which usually comes from big pharma or big food telling
00:07:20.820 you buy our stuff, it'll work. They also told you smoking was good for you. So you realize that
00:07:25.560 doesn't work because you got worse. That's what happened to me. And then you say, okay, I'm going
00:07:29.160 to do what works. And I want to spend the least amount of time to get the most benefit possible.
00:07:33.900 The three things that are going to give you the most benefit from biohacking is learning how to
00:07:38.160 get better quality sleep. I don't mean more sleep. I mean more sleep in less time so that your body
00:07:44.920 makes the hormones it's supposed to make when you're asleep. Learning how to intermittent fast,
00:07:49.420 which was the topic of my last book. And this is just teaching your body that it's safe,
00:07:54.460 normal, and healthy to go for 12 to 16 hours without food, without inducing a panic response.
00:08:00.380 It'll make you live longer and it'll actually make you feel better. Now, skipping breakfast
00:08:03.960 is cheaper than buying breakfast, even if you like egg McMuffins or something. So you can do this.
00:08:09.700 It doesn't cost you anything. Learning to sleep well at night is usually changing some practices.
00:08:13.920 There might be 50 or a hundred bucks worth of stuff to buy, but it's not expensive.
00:08:17.160 and you can always use aluminum foil to black out your bedroom so that's 10 cents worth of foil we're
00:08:22.940 talking very cheap stuff and then the third thing is learning what to eat and more importantly what
00:08:29.740 not to eat and that's the subject of the bulletproof diet which has helped people lose more
00:08:33.920 than a million pounds and I tell you there's five things in foods that are messing with you I call
00:08:39.860 them kryptonite and funny enough there's lectins which are plant toxins there's oxalates which are
00:08:45.940 plant toxins. And this is first published in 2011. There's phytic acid, which blocks your ability to
00:08:51.820 absorb minerals, which is also a plant toxin. There's mycotoxins, which come from fungus that
00:08:57.740 eats plants and also accumulates in animals. And so four of these major toxins are coming from
00:09:04.680 plants. And what's the fifth one? Oh, omega-6 fatty acids, the inflammatory seed oils.
00:09:10.480 So these are all, I'm saying, don't do the stuff that harms you.
00:09:14.400 Stop that.
00:09:15.300 And then you can do something that makes you feel better.
00:09:17.880 So I'm going to boil all that down to replace all of your seed oils with grass fed butter
00:09:24.440 because grass fed butter is $3 a pound.
00:09:26.960 And if you just did that, you're going to win.
00:09:31.200 Okay.
00:09:31.700 That's handy.
00:09:32.420 You said something about phytic acid.
00:09:35.020 Yes.
00:09:36.000 Okay.
00:09:36.320 What is that?
00:09:37.700 Phytic acid is commonly found in nuts, but most commonly in grains and things like beans.
00:09:44.780 And it is there to keep animals from eating the plant because plants don't want us to eat them.
00:09:50.460 They don't want us to eat their babies.
00:09:51.640 They can't run away because they have roots. 0.93
00:09:53.200 So they either develop hard shells or spikes or usually chemicals.
00:09:57.980 So if you were to go out in the forest and just eat some plants, you'll probably end up in the hospital if you make it that far.
00:10:02.560 Most plants will kill you right away.
00:10:03.820 the ones that we consider edible it means you won't die right away if you eat them during a
00:10:08.180 famine and what we have to do is choose the low inflammation plants that you can eat over time
00:10:14.660 what phytic acid does is it sticks to things like zinc that are necessary for your body
00:10:20.200 and they prevent your body from absorbing it so if you're one of those raw vegans like i used to be
00:10:25.020 or when i stopped being a raw vegan a normal vegan what you've actually normal vegan is that
00:10:30.260 of thing. Anyway, um, I went and I said, okay, what's going on here? Well, you get mineral
00:10:36.320 deficient because all of the minerals that you eat from your plant proteins are not absorbable
00:10:41.980 because they're always coming with phytic acid. So for every pound of plant protein, you need a
00:10:46.680 pound of meat protein to overcome the phytic acid that prevents you from getting the minerals like
00:10:51.760 zinc that are good for protecting you from COVID. Hmm. Hmm. Okay. That's very interesting. So do
00:10:59.140 you think part of the reason that there are so many people who are zinc deficient is because
00:11:03.660 they're eating plants or anything that's too high in phytic acid? Phytic acid is a major cause,
00:11:10.800 but frankly, glyphosate is probably a bigger cause. Glyphosate, or Roundup as it's known,
00:11:16.980 is this amazing herbicide that destroys soil. And we have this habit of spraying it now
00:11:23.660 on garbanzo beans, on wheat, on most grains before we harvest them because it makes them
00:11:28.500 dry up more quickly at the end of the season. So especially in the US, the average person now
00:11:33.540 is getting about a pound a year of this weed killer that affects your gut bacteria. And it
00:11:39.780 unfortunately also is a chelator of zinc. So I think that's why. It's a combination of phytic
00:11:44.320 acid if you're going to eat a lot of plants. And the plants, we double down by spraying them with
00:11:48.120 something that hurts our gut bacteria. Okay. That's lovely. Did you suffer from Lyme disease?
00:11:54.240 Well, yes. Well, at least I had Lyme disease. Whether I was suffering from it is questionable.
00:12:01.860 About 90% of people who have Lyme disease actually have toxic mold. So what I had was
00:12:08.520 I had provable toxic mold exposure and symptoms of that. And I had started a lab testing company
00:12:15.100 along with my wife, who's a medical doctor. And we proved that I had an active Lyme disease
00:12:20.120 infection. But since mold toxins and Lyme toxins are almost identical chemically, almost everyone
00:12:26.700 who says I have Lyme disease, if we run the labs, you're going to find out you actually have toxic
00:12:30.760 mold. So I always tell people treat the mold first. I've done a documentary. It's free moldymovie.com
00:12:36.800 talking about that. Anyone with Lyme who sees that would be like, oh my God, that's me. Oh,
00:12:40.700 and I have black stains on my ceiling. And I think I have Lyme disease. So you really have to
00:12:45.020 discern between the two. There are some people who have Lyme, but if you and I walked down the street
00:12:50.360 and gathered pee from a hundred people, 95 of them are going to have Lyme spirochete DNA in their
00:12:56.000 urine. They don't have Lyme disease though. It's because their immune system works. So the mold
00:13:00.020 takes out the immune system, then the Lyme takes over. So it's a very complex disease. And I don't
00:13:04.800 want to say there isn't such thing as Lyme. There is. It just always travels with mold. When you
00:13:08.800 treat the mold, the body can resolve the Lyme unless you have co-infections, which I also had.
00:13:15.020 well you can do a test there's a company called my myco lab that will test for an immune response
00:13:28.280 to mold toxins and they'll be able to show you do you have an active mold infection in the body or
00:13:34.280 are you getting exposed in your environment which is probably the most the most advanced test you
00:13:40.420 can get now you can also get a urine test to see am i peeing out mycotoxins which all of us do
00:13:46.440 because food always has some amount and what i've found and there are dozens actually hundreds of
00:13:51.760 studies supporting this is when you lower the burden of mold in your food and in your environment
00:13:56.620 your body works better and that's that's one of the practices in in my recommendations is like
00:14:01.640 let's not have mold standards in the u.s that either don't exist or are five or ten times higher
00:14:08.260 than european standards so when food or certain beverages get rejected from many countries they
00:14:13.800 send them to the u.s and canada and then we eat them because our standards are not very good
00:14:18.400 like seriously china will reject coffee and we'll drink it that's exactly what i want to hear
00:14:24.760 okay that's that's really interesting i grew up when i left home we found out there's black
00:14:30.840 mold in our basement like all over the basement uh which was pretty brutal uh yeah not good
00:14:37.620 my brother slept in that basement i slept in the basement too yeah so that's something that
00:14:43.180 both of us have as like that's what lit the fuse for us okay okay but then say you remove that
00:14:51.380 you know like um i've moved around i'm in a condo building right not right now but usually i live in
00:14:56.700 a condo building it's fairly new there's no mold there theoretically if you remove that kind of
00:15:01.740 thing from your environment do you have to recover somehow or can you just kind of wait
00:15:07.480 and your body normalizes if you're not in a toxic environment it depends in part on your genetics
00:15:14.780 it depends in part on how long you were there and it also depends on whether the mold took up
00:15:20.800 residence in the body which it can do there are certain people and northern europeans tend to
00:15:27.480 have more of this, but not always. And we are the ones who are wired to survive famines and the ones
00:15:35.960 who are wired to be able to go steal from the neighboring tribe. So we have the genetics that
00:15:42.680 allow us to have blood that clots quickly and we recycle our fatty acids better than the average
00:15:48.100 human. I am one of these. It's called HLA-DR4 is the genetic subtype. And this is great because
00:15:55.800 it means that, okay, I'm in Europe and we're going to like roll across the Czech Republic or
00:15:59.760 something. And let's just go to this village. We don't know anyone, like kill a few people,
00:16:03.880 steal a few bags of food, take an arrow hit, maybe not bleed to death, not die of whatever
00:16:08.480 current plague is here and then live to fight another day. So you do that for a few thousand
00:16:12.100 years, you get the genes to be basically like a bandit. Well, this is good because if there's no
00:16:18.960 food for a while, you're going to, you're going to survive. Unfortunately, mold and lime toxins
00:16:23.060 recirculate in your bile and we are genetically wired to conserve bile so that we can live through
00:16:30.420 famines better than people have to eat more well pros and cons in today's environment since those
00:16:36.560 toxins are fat soluble we just keep recycling those toxins and it can take a very long time
00:16:41.360 to get rid of those if you've been exposed and you're not actively detoxing as i've written in
00:16:46.640 some of my books it takes a little bit more than two years to replace half the fat in your cell
00:16:51.020 membranes so imagine if you put a drop of blue food coloring like in a in a bottle of water like
00:16:57.440 it slowly percolates through but then you're gonna have to like pour in more water to dilute it out
00:17:01.720 well that's how those mold toxins are once they have percolated into the lining of your nerves
00:17:05.780 into your brain into your every cell in your body every mitochondrial membrane is made of fat
00:17:10.760 so now it's it's like you've been dyed light blue and you have to wash those through with the higher
00:17:15.340 fat diet increasing bile turnover and using toxin binders if you don't do that you'll probably be
00:17:20.240 one of those highly sensitive people possibly for 10 or 20 years the other thing that mold will do
00:17:26.060 in the environment there's always this amazing interplay and this goes back to the definition
00:17:30.640 of biohacking it changes the environment around you and inside of you so if mold's out here mold
00:17:34.980 makes antibiotics by definition we are biotics we are powered by bacteria mold and bacteria ancient
00:17:41.960 enemies now the mold will talk to the bacteria in your sinuses and the the bacteria there says
00:17:48.680 I'm under threat. Let me make a biofilm and let me start creating things that cause brain fog.
00:17:52.900 So now, even if you leave the mold, you have this kind of slimy infection in the back of your
00:17:58.120 sinuses right up against your brain that's making a toxin that makes you have brain fog.
00:18:02.440 I dealt with this profound brain fog that made me feel stupid, to be honest. I'm in business
00:18:07.720 school at Wharton and I'm failing. I'm like, what is going on? So you really do want to bind the
00:18:13.320 toxins and you can heal from all this, but it takes time and you've got to calm the immune
00:18:17.900 system and then heal the nervous system, heal the lining of the nerves. And I will tell you,
00:18:22.740 I am much higher functioning cognitively than I've ever been in my entire life,
00:18:28.340 energetically, the whole thing. And it's because I got rid of those toxins.
00:18:32.880 Okay. That's very interesting. So the DNA that makes people into bandits, you mentioned HLA,
00:18:41.500 does that cover all the HLA is like the one that predisposes you to ankylosing spondylitis and
00:18:46.220 celiac disease is just hla and all of them well it's the hla dr4 are the subtypes that make you
00:18:52.800 more sensitive to mold and okay and lime but many of the other hla but h is like a big part of your
00:18:58.880 dna and frankly there's people who are probably better qualified to answer that one than i am
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00:20:14.900 okay let's let's cover this before we delve into more i had a number of people in my audience ask
00:20:22.900 about joe rogan because apparently there's something going on with you and joe rogan
00:20:27.880 so can you give a bit of a background about what that's about and what happened sure
00:20:33.440 something like seven years ago, uh, I went on the Joe Rogan show three times. And, uh, in fact,
00:20:41.800 I'll post something on Instagram because you can't see it. Joe pulled it off of Spotify.
00:20:45.980 He's been trying to hide this and, um, Bulletproof coffee changes brain for the better. I mean,
00:20:52.100 he's worn the Bulletproof t-shirt on, on there and was just a huge fan. And I, uh, and he's like,
00:20:56.900 oh my goodness, grass-fed beef. This is so important. I, I love all this. Uh, but then
00:21:01.340 one of his buddies decided to try to steal both the name Bulletproof as well as my ideas. And one
00:21:09.600 of the companies he owns decided to try to steal and copy my products. And the day they made that
00:21:15.380 decision, he made up some stuff around me, as well as some fake tests that have never existed,
00:21:24.180 as far as I can tell, saying that my coffee was moldy. Guys, I've spent way more than $100,000
00:21:29.740 on lab tests over the years. The Bulletproof coffee that I created is lab tested to the
00:21:34.220 highest possible standards. Um, but he basically tried to discredit me, um, for quite a while.
00:21:39.780 It looks like it was partly financially motivated and partly, probably one of his buddies manipulating
00:21:44.140 him. And so I, I learned a lot about bullying and what bullies do when they grow up. Um, it was,
00:21:51.760 it was rough because I'm like, I'm helping people. I'm, I'm motivated by not letting people
00:21:57.900 get to 300 pounds like I did and just not have brain fog. And I know the kind of suffering out
00:22:03.080 there. And it went from Dave, thanks for all of your advice to, you know, you're a charlatan
00:22:07.520 snake oil salesman. Cause like there's about 20,000 trolls, the death squad guys. And literally
00:22:14.560 they sick them on me. So all of a sudden my social media just went all to hell overnight. I'm like,
00:22:18.260 wow, this is kind of freaking me out. And I didn't really know how to take it. So I did some of the
00:22:23.960 weird personal development stuff that I do. And I just realized after a little while, every time
00:22:28.240 Joe says something bad about me, I'm selling more coffee, even though like it kind of hurts.
00:22:33.660 And I just realized I didn't do anything wrong. I did everything at the highest integrity.
00:22:39.940 And what's cool is now that Joe's pulled those things down, there's fair use exemption. So I
00:22:45.880 put together a compilation of all the things Joe's said, and like, you can try and reel it back by
00:22:49.700 deleting it. But bottom line is I'm pretty sure that there's a reason the companies that Joe
00:22:55.500 owns are starting to sell MCT oil and trying to copy the coffee. They just couldn't do the mold
00:23:00.640 free thing. So we tried to say it wasn't real. And I would challenge anyone who thinks it's not real
00:23:04.640 to just read what I write. Damn. Okay. That's spicy. I'm just going to say, Joe, thank you,
00:23:11.440 brother. I appreciate all the sales. I appreciate you. I appreciate all the stuff you're doing in
00:23:16.160 the world and uh i don't feel bad for not getting high before i was interviewed on your show because
00:23:21.220 i would have sounded like a total idiot okay at the beginning of this this is something i actually
00:23:30.640 really need help with at the beginning of this episode you mentioned sleep and how important
00:23:34.840 that is and when i first kind of started my health journey i didn't recognize how important sleep was
00:23:42.280 because I was constantly like totally fucked up. So I just didn't know that sleeping didn't make
00:23:48.500 me feel any better. Cause I was so sick that I just didn't recognize how important it is.
00:23:52.900 And now particularly, and I've seen this across people who go to the zero carb diet,
00:23:58.860 this doesn't happen for everybody. And I've seen a lot of people improve their sleep,
00:24:03.480 but for me, I'm at the moment, I'm kind of stuck on this because if I have any type of plan, I'm,
00:24:09.300 I get arthritis eventually. I haven't figured out how to get past that, but I have noticed that my
00:24:15.280 sleep isn't as good as it should be. And this is so good. Yeah. It improved. Like, I mean,
00:24:22.460 I'm way healthier than I was. Um, and I've been under a lot of stress with family health. And so
00:24:29.580 it's hard to say how much of that is playing into my sleep because I, whenever I get stressed,
00:24:35.020 I don't sleep as well. But I have seen some people who go zero carb have a harder time
00:24:39.940 staying asleep throughout the night. So what are some tricks people can use whether or not
00:24:46.400 there's zero carb to improve their sleep quality? Back when I was developing the Bulletproof diet
00:24:52.720 before I wrote the book, I went through a three month period of I can't quite claim zero carbs.
00:24:58.620 I had one serving of broccoli every day. That was the entire extent of my career. So that's
00:25:03.360 about as close to zero as you can get. Right. Yeah. And I experienced the same thing that
00:25:07.800 happens. I call it the keto trap. And there's a similar one I call the fasting trap in my latest
00:25:12.620 book. And it's that if something is good, more of it is better. It's like, it's just a human
00:25:17.320 behavioral thing that we do. Right. So when it comes to the zero carb thing, you feel freaking
00:25:22.800 amazing for the first month or so. Right. Like the, the curtains have lifted your brain works,
00:25:29.500 Your joints don't hurt. I was diagnosed with arthritis when I was 14. So same thing. Many,
00:25:34.620 many plants do that for me. And I know the ones that don't, and those are the ones that generally
00:25:39.200 don't do it for most people. And when, uh, when you get that right, you feel, uh, you feel so
00:25:46.820 good. So you say, I'm going to do it even more. And there is something that hits women before men
00:25:52.260 for women. It's usually two to four weeks before men. And it's always in this order. If you're
00:25:56.520 over fasting or you're over ketoing, I'm going to call it. And step one is a reduction in sleep
00:26:02.340 quality. No matter how much you sleep, you wake up and you feel like you didn't really sleep.
00:26:06.880 I've been tracking my sleep for 15 years. So when I did this experiment, I used to wear a headband
00:26:11.420 at night to track my sleep. And what I found was after three months of this, I was waking up 12
00:26:15.740 times per night without knowing it. And I was getting five minutes of deep sleep at night.
00:26:19.540 Ooh, okay. Okay. But I didn't know it. You won't detect this. Yeah. So usually with women,
00:26:25.460 four to six weeks of zero carbon, sometimes even less, um, they're just like, I'd wake up and I'd
00:26:31.460 feel like I didn't sleep. And then the second thing is, Oh, my monthly cycle isn't as regular
00:26:35.800 as it should be. And the third thing is my hair gets thinner, right? With guys give us an extra
00:26:40.320 couple of weeks. First sleep quality goes down. Then the second thing is I wake up without a
00:26:45.300 kickstand. And the third thing is my hair gets thinner. So how do you fix it? What's going on
00:26:50.200 here. Well, here's what's going on with you, Michaela. When the body is at rest, there's two
00:26:57.520 kinds of cells in the brain, two big categories. And the neurons, which are the rock stars of the
00:27:02.660 brain, they totally like ketones and they're super happy to have ketones. And if they have a choice
00:27:08.140 of glucose or ketones, they will choose ketones because they need the energy. Well, the maintenance
00:27:13.640 crew, the janitors, the immune cells that control inflammation in the brain, they want carbs more
00:27:19.540 and ketones. And this is why the Bulletproof Diet is cyclical going in and out of ketosis,
00:27:24.660 but it's never a high carb diet and it's not a high sugar diet and the type of fat matters and
00:27:30.120 all that. But what's happening with you is your body says, hmm, at night I need to be pumping
00:27:36.840 this glymphatic system in and out. The glymphatic system is something that inside the brain,
00:27:43.240 the cells, when you sleep properly, they dump a lot of water that contains some inflammatory
00:27:49.320 proteins that happen during the day and then they're supposed to get flushed out and then
00:27:53.660 it's refilled with clean cerebral spinal fluid. Yeah. Well, in order to do that, you got to have
00:27:59.220 enough mitochondrial energy and the body says, I don't have enough glucose to do this. So how do
00:28:05.620 I get glucose? Oh, easy. How about some adrenaline and cortisol, which are the two hormones that make
00:28:11.280 the easiest and fastest access to glucose? In other words, the brain says low energy emergency
00:28:16.540 and it does this between three and four in the morning is my guess right is that the time when
00:28:21.820 you're most likely to wake up that's when it is for most people probably um i don't know i haven't
00:28:28.960 really woken up i don't know i don't have a ring it's possible i use an aura ring yeah okay yeah
00:28:38.640 me too so that'll usually tell you about the time but some it can be between two and five but it's
00:28:45.040 usually around three or four is when the peak is and what that is is just the body saying i needed
00:28:48.840 some carbs it didn't need a lot of carbs it just needed a little bit so here's a tip that i have
00:28:54.460 been writing about forever and it's one thing that it drives everyone nuts because it shouldn't work
00:29:01.780 but it does and it's raw honey okay it's a small amount i i've been doing that i've been doing that
00:29:09.460 i've been doing that before bed because i thought maybe it would help it does for some people but
00:29:15.240 not everyone yeah it hasn't helped you no it hasn't and okay i wasn't like i mean i can eat
00:29:22.040 honey now i at the beginning i couldn't eat honey it would make me feel weird now i can eat honey i
00:29:26.900 can drink tea i'm less sensitive than i was um i will talk about plants next but no so which is
00:29:34.880 why i thought maybe it was stress too well it is stress because adrenaline and cortisol are stress
00:29:39.940 but what will happen is you'll think it's stress because the body biologically asks for stress
00:29:44.900 hormones to get you some sugar and then when the stress hormones kick in you're going to what am
00:29:48.980 i stressed about and whatever is top of mind you'll have ruminating speeding thoughts in the
00:29:52.800 middle of the night so you can't go back to sleep because you're stressing about stuff but you're
00:29:56.000 not stressing because of the stuff you're stressing because of biology which made you think about the
00:30:00.120 stuff it's kind of a chicken and egg thing i definitely have stuff to stress about it might
00:30:04.960 be totally do it might be i've been following you on instagram how much how much um like how much
00:30:12.360 how many carbs how much carb would somebody need theoretically to give their body the glucose that
00:30:19.720 they would potentially need to not have this cortisol spike it totally depends on the size
00:30:26.460 of the body and the type of carb. The reason raw honey is kind of magic is raw honey preferentially
00:30:32.240 goes to liver glycogen. And glycogen is how we store carbohydrates in our body. Liver glycogen
00:30:38.720 will feed the brain and muscle glycogen will feed the rest of the body. So if you only have a little
00:30:43.920 bit of raw honey, it'll go to the liver and then the liver will have it ready for the brain when
00:30:47.560 you need it. So it's preferential to do it that way. But if you put raw honey in hot tea, it's
00:30:52.920 not raw anymore so it's usually i say start with one teaspoon and go up to maybe four teaspoons
00:30:59.540 before that's not that life-changing it's not that much and why does it have to be raw
00:31:05.420 well the study that i found i think that one's in the bulletproof diet book the study that i found
00:31:11.300 showed that the raw honey is the stuff that goes to liver glycogen but when you pasteurize the
00:31:14.960 honey it just acts like normal sugar in the body so it it goes to muscle glycogen and since liver
00:31:20.100 glycogen is more available for the brain trying to make the brain do it and still allow you to
00:31:24.160 be in ketosis because you if you have less than 15 grams and maybe you have some mct oil with the
00:31:28.920 honey you you ought to be able to hang in there with ketosis or you cycle in and out you're in
00:31:33.020 ketosis for three four days and then you cycle out but if the raw honey trick doesn't work
00:31:38.000 and i've written like like a dozen plus articles on sleep hacking and i have a challenge for it
00:31:43.040 because it's been such a problem for me and now i get like two hours of deep and an hour and a half
00:31:47.940 of rim six hours on a regular basis it's beautiful it's life-changing but i did not have this five
00:31:53.260 years ago i've worked really hard on it but the other thing collagen protein because i'm like the
00:31:57.700 guy made mcto and collagen cool um collagen protein from grass-fed cows so you don't get the the
00:32:03.100 glyphosate that would get in there otherwise that stuff makes a huge difference for another group
00:32:09.200 of people because of glycine and glycine is the dominant amino acid glycine is the third most
00:32:15.160 common detox pathway so you're dealing with mold and so the number one detox pathway is glutathione
00:32:20.860 you can get that as a supplement number two is glucorate calcium deglucorate that's a supplement
00:32:25.400 number three is glycine so if you look at all the mold toxins that you've been exposed to
00:32:29.620 that's the order of operations for most of them so that that collagen protein that we talk about
00:32:36.680 for you know nice hair and skin and all well it is a detox protein but it also has electrical
00:32:44.340 properties as a chemical in the body in that it drives the fascia and mold interrupts electricity
00:32:52.320 flow in the body because it reduces mitochondrial membrane potential, which is super technical
00:32:58.000 stuff. But the bottom line is when you have healthier connective planes, it can lower stress
00:33:03.520 in the body. You'll also find that people call collagen animal carbohydrate or animal starch.
00:33:10.920 and there is a study that shows that collagen can be broken down by bacteria in the gut into
00:33:19.200 butyric acid so for people like you have a really hard time with any plant including something like
00:33:24.920 acacia gum which is usually a soluble fiber most people handle very well that could feed good gut
00:33:29.440 gut bacteria to make more butyric acid collagen may work for you so collagen before sleep just
00:33:35.540 maybe one scoop of it would be a really good idea and there's lots of good brands of collagen just
00:33:40.760 make sure it's grass-fed out there okay i'm gonna try that before i release this episode
00:33:46.020 and see if that makes a difference i have not tried collagen to see if that would make a difference
00:33:51.520 so so if you wanted to just go all in try grass-fed honey mixed in room temperature water
00:33:58.360 with so you got honey collagen and a little bit of mct oil and then you've hit all three of the
00:34:05.140 pathways you'll have enough keto energy because you'll get some beta hydroxybutyrate which comes
00:34:09.440 out of the MCTs. You have some collagen, right? And then you have the raw honey. And if you sleep
00:34:14.840 like a baby, then you know, and if that still doesn't work, here's what happened. The mold
00:34:20.720 made the mast cells in your body, um, overactive mast cells are your immune cells. And they're
00:34:26.300 kind of like firewalls. And imagine if you, you have those alerts on your phone, right? And it's
00:34:31.120 like, bing, bing, bing all the time. Well, if your immune system is getting bing, bing, binged all
00:34:34.920 the time well maybe you could turn that down and this will sound totally crazy but try a benadryl
00:34:40.880 before you go to bed and if that changes your life well there you go you have allergies yeah
00:34:45.740 yeah well um that's what i have used before not ben benadryl but the same kind of thing drama meme
00:34:52.160 it's like it's gravel it's slightly different but there's i know there's overlap uh so that works
00:35:00.760 If I'm super stressed out, like if something bad happens and then I get nightmares or something.
00:35:05.460 A lot of mold people, if you use Claritin and Pepsidaceae, that can work really well.
00:35:11.040 I hate Claritin.
00:35:12.180 Claritin gives me like this horrible crawling sensation and lower back pain and things.
00:35:17.140 I avoid Claritin.
00:35:18.660 Yeah.
00:35:19.200 So that means you have some sort of histamine issue going on as well, which is underlying
00:35:23.780 your mold to cause a histamine issue, but it gets more complex when you get into histamine.
00:35:28.100 And this is why with biohypedia.
00:35:29.080 I definitely have a histamine issue.
00:35:30.760 I mean, I've got many issues, but there's definitely a histamine issue there.
00:35:33.760 If I eat anything aged, like I can't do aged meat at all.
00:35:36.760 I can't either.
00:35:37.800 That stuff is so not good for you.
00:35:40.240 Okay.
00:35:40.480 It's not like who came up with the idea that moldy meat tasted better than not moldy meat.
00:35:46.440 It was like, do you want it to be 120 days old?
00:35:48.720 No.
00:35:49.840 Who told you that tastes better?
00:35:51.760 You know who told you that?
00:35:52.960 The guys who didn't have refrigerators in the 1800s.
00:35:56.600 And it was the only way we could preserve meat.
00:35:59.040 uh no on my farm we have about 25 pigs 25 sheep we we go to the ethical butcher here like no hang
00:36:06.680 the meat for three days don't hang it for 10 days and then freeze it and magically everyone feels
00:36:11.660 good when they eat it and it still tastes great but we have this belief that if you age meat
00:36:15.700 somehow it's going to be better for you but what it does is you can waste a third of the meat
00:36:20.640 in moisture loss and then having to cut off all the black parts where stuff is growing
00:36:24.520 like why do you want to eat hold on a fungus that eats meat you're going to eat that cook it rare
00:36:31.600 and you're going to put that fungus in your body yeah that doesn't seem smart to me that seems
00:36:35.600 not good it doesn't seem smart at all no i was in i was a lot of people get tired and want dessert
00:36:40.780 after they eat aged meat they don't know why it's because of that response histamine makes you
00:36:45.600 crave sugar oh that's interesting i know a lot of people are like oh i do have a lot going on
00:36:53.560 but I know a lot of people too, who are like, Oh, I can't eat beef. Even if it's grass fed beef,
00:36:58.620 I can't eat beef because it upsets my stomach. And I'm like, how, how old is the meat you're
00:37:02.600 eating? Have you only aged steaks? Cause it could be that how old and how burned those are the two
00:37:08.320 big things. And honestly take a quarter of a Benadryl when you eat a piece of aged steak and
00:37:13.140 magically you feel perfectly normal afterwards. And otherwise you feel super tired. Oh, that's
00:37:17.560 weird oh i'm gonna test that out that's fun just take a antihistamine and see what happens
00:37:23.960 yeah cool it'll totally change your ability to go to a restaurant and eat something that you want to
00:37:28.460 eat and i love it because living in a moldy basement like there's some predictable stuff
00:37:33.460 that happens the whole lime versus mold thing where they're both real but the mold caused the
00:37:38.060 lime i don't live through all that hacked all that stuff and where you are now you have like
00:37:43.840 five more levels of performance above where you are. And you're going to get to the point where
00:37:47.840 you're like, I have this resilience that I don't even believe is possible. I just know how to do
00:37:52.400 it and shouldn't have cost me a million bucks. I'm just lucky I got to do that.
00:37:57.120 That's interesting. Okay. Okay. So the next question, so I'm in this, I'm just going to
00:38:01.780 use this to like solve my health problems. But the next problem is, so I've been on an all meat diet.
00:38:08.020 all my arthritic symptoms are gone my mood is good i'm pretty happy my digestion is good
00:38:14.540 but i was hoping that at some point i would be able to introduce plants back in and vary my diet
00:38:22.900 i'm not one of those carnivore people that's like i want to do this forever if i have to do it
00:38:27.700 forever i'm happy i don't have arthritis but that's not the goal right the goal is to get
00:38:31.840 some resiliency back which is what you were talking about so i've tried i can't tolerate
00:38:36.680 any probiotics like not at all i get arthritis when i take them i've tried a number of different
00:38:43.440 types so i don't really know where to start i've tried incorporating plants back in and i've
00:38:49.360 eventually dropped them because i'll get arthritis my skin will break out i'll get bloated
00:38:53.000 uh even if it's like very small amounts and they're cooked or pressure cooked like i'm
00:38:59.100 trying a bunch of different things. So I tried to first, I tried organic. First, I tried organic
00:39:07.680 apples with no skin pressure cooked like baby food. Um, and that like, I'm more resilient than
00:39:17.920 I was, but it was still eventually I ended up getting arthritis. I tried pressure cooked
00:39:22.100 blueberries, organic blueberries. That didn't work out. So then about six months later, I was like,
00:39:30.340 well, maybe I'll try greens. And I know a lot of people have things against greens, but lettuce
00:39:35.740 was one of the things I tolerated really well that didn't give me arthritis.
00:39:38.820 Yeah, I was going to suggest you start with lettuce.
00:39:40.660 Yeah.
00:39:41.080 You said it did or did not cause arthritis?
00:39:43.300 No, it didn't for a really long time. Like when I first went low carb, I was eating a lot of
00:39:47.080 different vegetables and I didn't have arthritis. And then things changed and I started getting
00:39:51.400 arthritis from them but i couldn't do lettuce either it got bloated i got tired just passed
00:39:57.080 out afterwards uh and then the next morning i was like puffy and eventually arthritis came back and
00:40:03.960 i was like fuck it i'll just wait and see if something changes but you know do you ever take
00:40:09.180 betaine hcl the stomach acid with your veggies i tried i didn't try betaine when i reintroduced
00:40:16.020 them i tried betaine before but it even at the low dose i could kind of feel burning and was like i
00:40:22.500 think that's a sign that i don't need extra stomach acid so i didn't continue it it might be worth
00:40:28.700 trying with the veggies or taking a really strong digestive enzyme with it contains pepsin okay a
00:40:36.160 really good thing for you they make plant-based digestive enzymes a lot of which come from
00:40:41.240 fermentation and they make animal-based ones which come from usually from pork the animal-based
00:40:48.460 digestive enzymes are going to be the ones to work with for you even if you're eating plants
00:40:52.800 just because they'll be more familiar to your system and lettuce is something that most people
00:40:58.220 handle pretty well and like I said you handled it for a while so you may need to vary a little bit
00:41:03.620 more on a typical rotation diet you eat something from a family of foods only once every four days
00:41:09.140 when you're getting tied into it. Also, if you look on my show, I have an episode with a Stanford
00:41:18.300 researcher who wrote The End of Food Allergy, where she talks about introducing very tiny
00:41:24.660 amounts of food back in. And what I suspect is going on with you and what I've seen in so many
00:41:32.380 people. There are these five things I talk about in vegetables that can cause problems. There's
00:41:39.180 oxalic acid and there's lectins. Well, your body makes a thousand different types of lectin every
00:41:44.580 day. This is a very common type of biochemical that just means these are proteins that stick
00:41:49.680 to sugars. It's not that big of a deal. And then in the plant kingdom, there are many,
00:41:54.640 many different types of lectins. And I would say, here's the big problem lectins. But when people
00:42:00.740 go all out say i'm never going to eat any lectin again i've seen people get more sensitive than
00:42:05.760 they were before so what you want to do is for brief periods figure out which ones are the
00:42:09.820 problems and newsflash grains and nightshades are the issue for almost everyone on beans and
00:42:15.740 legumes for a lot for sure but after that like do you really have to worry about like lettuce squash
00:42:22.380 well lettuce shouldn't have any lectins but you have to worry about squash probably not so like
00:42:27.000 you get rid of the big ones and most people are just fine and like i don't worry about say cashews
00:42:31.400 for the vast majority of people are fine on them but some people can't handle those but almonds are
00:42:35.420 worse than cashews for most people so like you you kind of pick whatever you're going to do that
00:42:39.700 works for you but if you eliminate everything it can take a while like a year or two of very tiny
00:42:45.580 introductions to get it back in and the question is do you really want to get it back in so i would
00:42:50.100 say carrots maybe celery most people handle celery fennel and if you have a specific problem with
00:42:58.380 nitrites that's different but generally those are pretty good and if you didn't just those you'll
00:43:05.280 probably end up handling cucumbers too avocado you can get to if you want they have some omega-6
00:43:10.660 but not too much and all of them have dangerous compounds all of them also have polyphenols that
00:43:16.540 can be really beneficial for you and a little bit of bulk you also might consider the prebiotic
00:43:23.500 fiber itself and it will cause bloating at first as you just kind of take the hits like you most
00:43:29.760 probiotics even something like a kombucha would just knock me on my ass for a couple days
00:43:33.400 and have you ever been tested for candida or yeast in the gut yeah i don't have it anymore
00:43:41.600 but i did when i first started dieting it went away when i went super super low carb but i had
00:43:46.520 it badly before I knew that it was bad. Yeah. So that can be a factor that makes it more complex,
00:43:54.080 but you're probably going to want to get some either acacia gum fiber. Um, you can get large
00:44:00.080 arabinogalactin it's called, but these are plant fibers without all the other bad stuff in the
00:44:05.180 plants. So most people tolerate those and you just a tiny bit of that with a probiotic. And
00:44:10.820 when you said you can't tolerate probiotics, what that, what that means is you haven't found
00:44:14.680 the probiotic that works for you. I could put on 10 pounds on the wrong probiotics when I was really
00:44:19.200 sick. And it's because your gut bacteria are highly disrupted. I take 60 grams of prebiotic
00:44:25.400 fiber a day because that's what people live the longest do. But I don't eat that many plants and
00:44:29.220 I don't need a variety of colors and all that stuff. No, I eat the ones that I know are compatible
00:44:33.340 with me and I don't overdo it. And it works very well, but you end up getting there by figuring
00:44:39.160 out what works. I'll tell you, kale is not good for most people, even if they say it is. And
00:44:43.540 like that's just you know that is a fact um and i always take a lot of heat from the kale people
00:44:49.740 but know that the kale people we talked it's funny somewhere around like the early 300 episodes on
00:44:56.360 i warned him and his followers about kale and then it took him till many just this last year
00:45:02.140 he found i was like i had to quit drinking kale smoothies because of the oxalic acid i'm like dude
00:45:05.280 seven years ago i told you about that brother so your kale is becoming known but raw spinach is
00:45:11.220 just as bad so you get these you know spinach and kale raw vegan stuff it shreds the gut it pokes
00:45:17.700 holes in it and you don't want to be Michaela you don't want to be dealing with with that kind of
00:45:23.320 stuff because you have other things you're working on like you're building your show and you want
00:45:27.960 your body to work very well so I would say when it's going to be a weekend when you have a little
00:45:32.000 bit of downtime try probably the spore-based probiotics I tried I tried spore-based and I
00:45:38.800 tried like i didn't try it with a prebiotic fiber but i was still like tiny tiny amounts
00:45:46.000 and my body was still like fuck you michaela after about five days you know what do that 0.55
00:45:51.560 with antihistamines i bet you'll work through it you're gonna have to probably take some hits
00:45:55.700 and are you on a regular train the immune system kind of just like calm down everything's fine
00:46:00.800 yeah oh my god are you taking charcoal and bentonite clay and all the binders because
00:46:07.320 that's a big thing especially i took that before i'm not taking them now like after about a year
00:46:14.760 of the carnivore diet i was like i don't have symptoms unless i eat something wrong and i
00:46:19.400 stopped like it took about a year before i felt really good the entire time i was losing weight
00:46:24.800 on carnivore i'd have like up and down icky feelings and i figured it was just me getting
00:46:30.840 rid of whatever my fat was storing. I wasn't really sure what was going on, but yeah. A carnivore
00:46:37.900 diet or anything that makes you lose weight like that, um, will cause you to burn fat and your fat
00:46:44.180 stores pesticides and heavy metals. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I have an older post called the rapid
00:46:49.260 fat loss protocol. And it, the subtitles how to lose weight faster than you should, because people
00:46:53.460 who go on that protocol, they get brain fog unless they're amplifying the detox pathways at the same
00:46:58.720 time. And so one guy lost 75 pounds in 75 days I was working with, which is ridiculous, but he
00:47:06.460 had a lot of weight to lose. Right. So what's happening when anyone goes carnivore and starts
00:47:11.920 losing weight is okay. There's a shift in your gut bacteria that may be beneficial, but probably
00:47:17.560 isn't. And we're not quite sure. I, there sure are lots of studies that say you should have some
00:47:22.000 soluble fiber. Um, there are more questionable studies about bulk fiber. Uh, and I'm much less
00:47:27.860 of a fan of that the insoluble fiber but if your gut won't handle it fine do whatever it takes you
00:47:33.660 know go carnivore for a month or a year but then what do you do and if your gut bacteria is going
00:47:39.540 to have to shift again it normally would shift seasonally anyway right so in summer we would eat
00:47:44.960 more vegetables and even fruit right and then in winter we're like okay unless you have some
00:47:50.580 potatoes in a cellar or something you know there's some fall carbs you get but then winter it's keto
00:47:56.320 Oh, it's carnivore. And I, I think that if I'm not, I don't just think I have seen the studies
00:48:02.660 that show that there's a change in your gut composition seasonally. So you may actually
00:48:06.680 say, all right, it's summer now. So if it's summer, maybe you want to do a few more veggies
00:48:10.180 and then go back more carnivore in winter and see if that helps you. Cause I do know that you're
00:48:14.880 going to get to a point where you can eat food that's compatible with you. That's healthy. And
00:48:20.800 it won't look like what most people eat, but that's because most people eat food that really
00:48:24.800 isn't good for them and they pay greatly for it later. I also know that if you never eat a carb
00:48:29.380 again, the odds of you living as long and as fully as you can, they go down, but you might be unique
00:48:36.380 or it's right for you. But most people eventually do kind of what my friend Paul Saladino did where
00:48:46.100 he's like, you know what, I'm doing really, really well in carnivore, but I'm going to add in honey
00:48:49.440 and maybe a few low inflammation veggies and you find what works for you, right? And you may be an
00:48:54.180 80% fat person or 50% fat, it's okay to be variable. And this is something that you see
00:49:00.420 rigidity in the extreme keto people. You see it in carnivore, you see it in vegan, you see it in
00:49:05.820 fasting. And Michaela, you are not an average person. Neither am I, neither is anyone listening
00:49:10.700 to this. We're all unique. So you start in the middle of average and then you move in one
00:49:14.500 direction or the other. So if only lettuce works for you, fine. And if something else works,
00:49:19.180 that's fine too. But as long as it works, but if you're still struggling and you're so limited and
00:49:23.040 you're you know constantly breaking out or something you just haven't solved it yet and
00:49:26.820 you got to keep pushing that is the plan that's the plan i'm not too super rigid in any idea and
00:49:35.740 i do think that the goal of carnivore is it can help a lot of people who have so many factors
00:49:41.040 and they can't figure out what's going on limit those factors get to a baseline level and then
00:49:45.840 figure out how to reintroduce like i think that that should be the goal of most people and get
00:49:50.820 some resiliency back. You shouldn't be stuck. If you, I figure if you're stuck in one space,
00:49:57.040 like if I can only eat, you know, like most of what I eat is like lamb or beef. If that's all
00:50:04.080 I can eat and I can't eat anything else without getting arthritis, then there's still something
00:50:09.080 wrong. Obviously. Yeah. There, there is something wrong if you can't eat something besides those
00:50:16.240 without getting arthritis and it's it's funny because in the bulletproof diet has a three-week
00:50:23.020 plan where you don't eat anything that's not in the green zone and it's grass-fed meat and a very
00:50:29.260 limited number of veggies and a limited number of fats and like do that for three weeks and that's
00:50:33.900 enough for the vast majority of people who didn't have mold exposures and whatever genetics that we
00:50:38.140 have and all that they go oh this is how i'm capable of feeling what else can i add back in
00:50:42.920 from this list of suspect foods. But for you, more foods are guilty. And for me than for most people
00:50:49.020 and like those foods just aren't ever going to work. Right. I don't think I'm ever going to
00:50:52.880 enjoy a kale salad and not feel like crap the next day. Right. And that's okay. So you're going
00:50:59.260 to get that dialed in, but right now there's some resilience that's missing nutritionally.
00:51:04.620 And you will get to the point where you tolerate probiotics. But if you had asked me, you know,
00:51:08.980 seven, eight years ago, almost all probiotics would just make me feel like crap, right? Anything
00:51:14.360 possibly fermented. If you go through the types that you're taking, many probiotics make histamine
00:51:20.440 in the gut, but there are probiotics that make antihistamines that you can buy as well. So you
00:51:25.660 need to go out and unfortunately spend a thousand dollars on different brands of probiotics and take
00:51:30.300 this one and be like, Oh, that sucked. Wait a few days and take that one. And you're going to find
00:51:35.720 want to go oh my god that one worked it's just if the trial and error sucks on that i wish i could
00:51:40.100 give you better advice i don't want to do that at all here's one for you viome has a they'll test
00:51:48.620 your poop and then they make a custom probiotic specifically designed for your poop that would
00:51:52.840 be interesting for you to try vi i'm so i know i know viome that sounds so unbelievable how do
00:51:59.700 they have enough data like i know most of your microbiome you can't even plate so how can they
00:52:04.480 take that data and then make a probiotic for you that sounds like marketing that's real um so i was
00:52:12.300 one of their first advisors so yes financial disclosure whatever but i literally since the
00:52:17.140 very early days the reason they can do it is all of their tech came from the bio warfare uh rapid
00:52:23.560 okay bio weapon detection stuff so they took two billion dollars worth of los alamos national labs
00:52:28.580 ip and they're using that and now they have a quarter million poop samples which means
00:52:34.180 they've added 10 000 new species to the database of what actually lives in our gut that we didn't
00:52:39.800 know about and they've run machine learning and all on it oh they didn't do custom probiotics
00:52:44.520 until probably like five or six months ago and okay i'm pretty dialed in on what i do now right
00:52:49.960 when i tried mine i noticed the difference like the first day i was like wow it does feel kind
00:52:54.440 of different but i i noticed just like more leanness for it so i i gotta say for you given
00:53:01.880 that you're going to kind of be throwing darts, they're going to at least get you on the, on the
00:53:05.900 dartboard. Okay. That's really cool. I'm going to look into that. Okay. How about this? This is a
00:53:14.160 fun question. What are some biohacks or a biohack that you were wrong about that you tested out on
00:53:19.860 yourself? Well, I was raw vegan. I was like raw vegan because enzymes. And so I had blenders and
00:53:30.580 choppers and juicers and all kinds of stuff, giant salad bowls to try and get enough calories in.
00:53:37.180 And I fell into that trap as a vegan trap where, oh, I'm cold all the time. My thyroid is not
00:53:43.000 working very well. I'm cracking my teeth. I have incredible joint pain, upper back pain,
00:53:48.800 autoimmune issues, brain fog. I'm tired all the time. Maybe it's because I'm not vegan enough.
00:53:53.480 You know, maybe I can be even more raw. Maybe this, you know, tomato, raw tomato pasta thing
00:53:59.440 I'm making with stuff. Maybe I'll eat more of that. Of course, the tomatoes are full of
00:54:04.680 nightshade lectins, right? So that was a serious mistake that actually probably caused some harm.
00:54:11.340 It took me a long time to fix. I also did the other thing where when I was testing out the
00:54:17.580 Bulletproof diet and I said, all right, how far can I go? And I did the three months of
00:54:24.340 zero carbs other than that one serving of broccoli a day. And I was also, I would say,
00:54:29.940 overfeeding by design. I was trying to prove, look, I'm only going to gain a couple of pounds
00:54:34.120 when we eat enough food to gain 20 pounds. But I don't think that was good for me because I gave
00:54:41.120 myself a leaky gut and it gave me an egg allergy. And eggs are actually, especially yolks, are
00:54:45.160 really good for you. I didn't have an egg allergy before I did that. So leaky gut can come about
00:54:49.220 from that. I should have protected the lining of my gut better than I did because I just didn't
00:54:53.260 quite know some of the details but that's why i'm also a guinea pig before i publish stuff
00:54:56.860 i'm gonna try that out um so i that's why i recommend a cyclical keto diet where you know
00:55:03.140 you can go really deep for a little while but then you pop out for a bit to let the brain recover
00:55:06.360 and then you go back in and that seems to be something that works for a long time
00:55:09.340 um other biohacks that have not gone well well one time um very early in the days of neurofeedback
00:55:19.040 about 25, 30 years ago, I bought, is that right? Something like that. I bought my first neurofeedback
00:55:28.960 machine. And this is when people mostly didn't know what it was unless you're a neuroscientist.
00:55:33.840 And I had seen some effects by doing it at a doctor's office. So I said, I'll do it on myself.
00:55:38.060 Well, doing brain surgery on yourself is probably not a good idea, right? So I learned after being
00:55:44.880 in a few weird days where one eye is bigger than the other maybe i should you know have a little
00:55:48.980 bit more help on that and i ended up starting you know 40 years of zen which is doing very well
00:55:53.800 it's my neuroscience company where we do brain upgrades like five day intense ones
00:55:57.620 but being a hacker sometimes like i have the gear i'm just going to do it by myself
00:56:02.460 so a couple years ago i put on one of our 24 channel caps we call the spider cap but i didn't
00:56:09.320 really bother to adjust the electrodes right so one of them wasn't touching and i did some heavy
00:56:13.140 duty training, it's sort of like if you were to go to the gym and you're doing like full power on
00:56:17.860 the right bicep, but only half power on the left bicep at the same time. But I did that to my
00:56:21.660 frontal cortex and oh my God, I was such a zombie for three or four days. I was like, what is wrong
00:56:26.660 with me? I can't, like, I can't switch states. And it was, it was like being addled all the time.
00:56:33.200 So I called up our, our in-house neuroscientist. I'm like, dude, I think I screwed something up.
00:56:38.000 And we looked at this, at the data and he's like, Dave, come on. So we undid it. And I over,
00:56:42.180 overweighted the left bicep cognitively and we fixed it but if i hadn't had a neuroscientist
00:56:48.040 there i would have just walked around for months being kind of an idiot so i would just say be
00:56:53.080 careful with your brain be careful with your brain i think that's good okay what else
00:56:59.220 are there any supplements you suggest most people take
00:57:04.180 you know if you're not taking vitamin d and vitamin k and vitamin a you're probably doing
00:57:13.140 it wrong there's almost no one who gets enough vitamin d and it has to do with changes in our
00:57:20.080 atmosphere it has to do with the fact that we're indoors most of the time that when we're outdoors
00:57:23.980 we usually wear clothes i did run some experiments on myself where i'm in hawaii for six weeks and
00:57:31.180 i'm pretty much in the sun as much as i can probably in fact i know i got some skin damage
00:57:36.860 from that much sun and i tested my vitamin d levels and they were they were still low yeah
00:57:42.660 and it's because we have this high variance in vitamin d receptor genes so for me i need to take
00:57:47.200 15 000 i use a day or i simply do not have adequate vitamin d because i i basically have
00:57:52.660 like a pacific islanders vitamin d receptors and a white boy's skin so that combination is not good
00:57:59.540 so you have to do your d and magnesium like everyone is magnesium deficient we're just not
00:58:05.420 getting enough of that so if you were to do just magnesium d and k2 many people now are taking
00:58:11.640 vitamin d because they've heard vitamin d seems to lower your risk of dying from all viral diseases
00:58:17.060 including the famous ones which we shall not name here the ones that rhyme with chocolate cake
00:58:21.880 which is the new hashtag for it and well if you take vitamin d and you don't take vitamin k2
00:58:31.320 vitamin d drives calcium into tissues that's good unless it drives calcium into your penis
00:58:36.080 or into your arteries you don't want calcium in your scars so what keeps calcium where it belongs
00:58:44.520 it's vitamin k2 not k1 from kale that doesn't work it's k2 so take your d take your k2 take
00:58:51.680 your magnesium and you're going to live longer and you're going to function better now and those
00:58:55.840 are just everyone has to do it fortunately d and magnesium are dirt cheap and k is moderately
00:59:01.500 expensive but not crazy okay that's interesting my vitamin d is always low and i've tried like
00:59:08.340 everything i was taking 10 000 i use a day uh that didn't seem to work either then i tried
00:59:13.720 intramuscular shots which i was told are a good idea or a bad idea depending on who you talk to
00:59:18.060 that actually bumped it up was the only thing i've ever done that bumped it up
00:59:21.620 um i'm fairly tan now so maybe it's okay right now but also maybe not i don't know
00:59:26.940 but well the tanning is different than your d levels so i i'm relatively tan as well but
00:59:33.820 my d levels if i didn't supplement wouldn't be there also and this is important for everyone
00:59:39.020 listening even if you're taking your vitamin d you have to turn it on and what turns on vitamin d
00:59:45.800 is sunlight so you've got to get sunlight in the eyes without sunglasses and on the skin even if
00:59:51.580 it's just for 10 or 15 or 20 minutes a day what ultraviolet light does to vitamin d is it
00:59:58.280 sulfates it it makes vitamin d sulfate which is what you really need so you take the supplements
01:00:03.940 and then you turn it on and if you're like i am up in canada in winter it's tough in midwinter
01:00:09.900 you're not going to get much of that stuff and there's nothing wrong with using a little bit of
01:00:13.520 a safe tanning bed and there is such a thing as a safe tanning bed okay cool well
01:00:22.560 i guess the last question that people should know about are if people have to just cut out
01:00:30.960 a few foods to make them feel better what are your top evil foods
01:00:35.540 i am going to answer this in a way that you probably don't expect it's from the end of my
01:00:42.840 fasting book, the hardest fast of all is called fasting from hate. Okay. Fair. Literally. It's
01:00:52.340 going for four hours without thinking bad things about any person, anything about yourself or even
01:00:59.500 any food. So literally four hours where you just don't think bad stuff about people. It's the
01:01:03.480 hardest fast, right? And it's part of the spiritual fasting discipline, which is different than
01:01:08.740 high-performance work fasting. And so instead of answering the question of what are the foods you
01:01:14.520 should avoid, honestly, taking that time to just turn down the responsiveness and the anger
01:01:21.640 and the stress. And if you look at the news, you're going to absolutely immediately have
01:01:27.760 negative thoughts. You go, oh, I just broke my fast. Damn, what's going on here? So I'm going
01:01:32.060 to also ask people watching this to think about that with food. So you can look at a kale and
01:01:38.380 spinach salad with tofu nuggets on top. And you can sort of throw up in your mouth the way a sane
01:01:44.020 person would. But when you get it dialed in all the way, you can actually realize there's no reason
01:01:51.920 or need to feel revulsion to that. You can just look at that and say it's not food. So we look at
01:01:56.260 a bowl of rocks. We don't feel revulsion of that. We just know it's not food. And you're going to
01:02:01.920 get to the point where you drive past a fast food place. You don't see it anymore because it's not
01:02:05.340 food, right? And you're going to look at stuff that's not food, even if other people are eating
01:02:09.880 it. And you might feel compassion for the people who are eating it because it's like they're
01:02:13.700 punching themselves in the face and they haven't figured it out yet. But you won't be angry and
01:02:17.560 you won't be upset. You'll just be like, you know what? Maybe they'll see that my skin is better
01:02:22.020 and I'm healthier and have more energy. Maybe they'll ask me someday why. But in the meantime,
01:02:25.360 I'm just going to shut up and eat. So if you want to know what to eat rather than what not to eat,
01:02:31.320 I could answer that easily. And what to eat is anything that ate grass is probably going to be
01:02:37.180 good for you. And anything that is a plant is much less likely to be good for you. So if you
01:02:45.020 were to take a plate and if you want vegetables, which I'm not opposed to at all, lettuce is a
01:02:51.300 relatively safe one, surprisingly. So look at some lettuce. Most people tolerate avocados pretty
01:02:57.500 darn well that works nicely most people tolerate olives but not everyone and you don't want tons
01:03:05.000 of olives because they have some omega-6s but you can eat things like that and make sure that you
01:03:10.140 have grass-fed butter grass-fed meat and some fish but probably not too much and if you did that as
01:03:17.000 the primary things you eat and you never ate fried stuff and you said grains and beans just aren't
01:03:23.640 food for me, you would probably love your life and love your gut. And you'd wake up without
01:03:28.980 sore joints. Your back wouldn't hurt. You would, your skin would glow. You wouldn't have pimples.
01:03:35.360 And more importantly, your emotional control over yourself goes through the roof. And I think
01:03:40.500 Michaela, you know what I'm talking about when you're tired and foggy like that, cause you ate
01:03:44.020 the wrong stuff. You yell at people you love. And when you have enough energy to regulate your
01:03:48.280 emotions, you're actually kind. And that's why this matters so much. Yeah, I completely agree.
01:03:54.620 A lot more patience, right? And you don't get that spike of adrenaline, everything, something
01:03:58.640 every time something slightly annoying happens. Yeah, exactly. Right. So I'm a lot nicer when I
01:04:06.160 want to eat the right way, but my resilience now, even if I eat the wrong way, I have more control
01:04:11.000 than I did 10 or 20 years ago. But some of that comes from personal development. But I will tell
01:04:16.400 you, if you take the most enlightened guru on the planet and you feed them garbage for two years,
01:04:21.080 they're not going to be as enlightened. So food in our environment is a part of what makes us
01:04:24.780 nice to each other. And that's so important to recognize. Okay. Thank you, Dave. That was very
01:04:31.040 interesting. If people want to find you online, where should they go? Well, go to DaveAsprey.com
01:04:38.220 is where there's 3000 blog posts, several challenges that are free. Moldy Movie, if you
01:04:42.880 care about toxic mold, it's a gift, moldymovie.com. And Bulletproof Radio is pretty well known as a
01:04:48.860 podcast. I'd love to see you guys on there. Thank you very much.
01:05:12.880 Amen.