The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - 154. Letting Go of Beliefs and Pursuing Truth ｜ Amala Ekpunobi

00:00:00.000 what do you think women want in men exactly the opposite of what they're saying they want right now

00:00:06.380 honestly i there's a there seems to be a culture of women saying you know i want this absolutely

00:00:15.640 perfect prince charming who dotes on me all the time and is super emotional and is constantly

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00:00:34.700 that's what women actually want and what they gravitate towards. But what comes out of the

00:00:39.140 mouth can be a little different. Welcome to episode 154 of my podcast. I'm Michaela Peterson.

00:00:50.780 In this episode, I spoke with Amala Epinobi. Amala is a social media personality and the host

00:00:57.100 of PragerU's show, Unapologetic, with Amla. Raised in a far-left activist household,

00:01:03.860 Amla embodies a trend that many young people are participating in, moving from the political left

00:01:08.640 to the right. Amla and I discussed her previous activism, which was really interesting, politics,

00:01:15.000 how she changed her mind, and why, when she moved from the left to the right, what it's like working

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00:03:11.840 Amala Epanobi, welcome to my podcast.

00:03:14.840 It's good to be here.

00:03:15.720 Thank you for having me.

00:03:17.280 Yeah, this is going to be fun.

00:03:18.680 I've been seeing you out and about on the internet, so I'm glad that we can finally talk.

00:03:23.660 Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, I sort of just stumbled into the world of the internet making

00:03:26.700 these videos, and now people reach out to me and they're like, I see your face everywhere,

00:03:29.980 so it's just been a really wild ride. That's fun. Okay, before we get started,

00:03:34.160 can you give a brief background about who you are and what it is you do?

00:03:37.480 Sure, yeah. My name is Amla Penobi. I am 21 years old, and I currently work at PragerU

00:03:42.760 as a personality, which basically means that I make social content, I do political commentary

00:03:48.320 about things that are happening day in and day out and I got here because I was raised in a really

00:03:54.460 far left-leaning household and was what I like to call indoctrinated from a pretty young age and

00:04:00.760 wanted to be an activist and eventually through my experience working with the political left

00:04:05.960 sort of woke up and realized oh well maybe I don't quite align with these views and when I started

00:04:11.380 getting on the internet to talk about that that of course shook the shook the space a little bit

00:04:15.700 wow okay there's a lot to unpack there so yeah how does how does your family feel about you

00:04:21.560 working with PragerU uh so for the most part my family is really supportive of it it was

00:04:28.160 a moment where when I started talking about what I was doing and making these videos online there

00:04:33.380 was a rocky road particularly with my mom because I was raised by a single mother and she works for

00:04:39.140 the political left so she was not really happy about the whole transition that I went through

00:04:45.380 yeah okay that's that's fair um so what did your acts you said you actually did activism

00:04:53.600 did you have activist days yes so from a really young age i was super involved in politics really

00:05:02.120 on the social end of things talking about uh racism environmental racism women's reproductive

00:05:09.180 rights and feminism and all that fun stuff because that's what my mom did for a living

00:05:12.940 She was fundraising for people who were organizing and working on different amendments and getting bills passed.

00:05:19.420 So I was constantly going to work with her as a child and I would volunteer, help them make signs whenever they were going to do a new protest.

00:05:27.480 And when I graduated high school, I thought, well, there's higher education is not that important to me right now.

00:05:32.660 I need to go and pursue activism because nothing's going to happen if I don't change the world myself.

00:05:37.980 And I ended up getting a position at my mom's organization as a youth organizer, which essentially just had me traveling around to different middle schools and high schools where I grew up and finding other young people and making them into activists as well.

00:05:53.180 Interesting. OK, I mean, there's something to that, to being told that you have the ability to change the world.

00:06:00.780 Oh, absolutely. That doesn't seem super unhealthy.

00:06:04.120 it's just unhealthy I guess if you end up pushing things you don't believe in right

00:06:08.060 yeah and I think it's it's something that I think is different where I've changed is I'm

00:06:13.480 no longer in this pool of oh I'm trying to transform the world and constantly change

00:06:17.720 things and create a new society or whatever the case may be I'm more so trying to look

00:06:22.560 from the view of understanding the world and understanding my place in it and and what

00:06:27.420 the meaning or purpose of my life is as opposed to just constantly pushing things on other

00:06:33.040 people as I was doing before. Okay. Okay. So what changed and when did that change for you?

00:06:40.540 Man. So for me, it changed about three years ago. I was 17 turning 18 at the time and I was working

00:06:48.260 for this organization nine to five every day. And a lot of my job was revolving around misery. I was

00:06:57.020 sort of waking up every day and looking for the injustice in the world, as you can imagine. Yeah.

00:07:01.600 looking for racism and sexism and misogyny and looking for areas where people were oppressed

00:07:07.640 and trying to educate other young people about that. And in a lot of ways, retrospectively,

00:07:13.820 I realized that I was kind of stealing hope and optimism away from a lot of young people in my

00:07:17.860 life. And I think that reflected in my attitude, whether or not I was conscious of it or not.

00:07:23.260 And that mixed with going into work every day and recognizing intolerance among the people that I

00:07:31.400 was working with really pushed me so yeah I'm biracial I was I was raised by a white family so

00:07:37.240 I would go into work every day and hear about how whiteness is evil and white people have controlled

00:07:42.020 the conversation for too long and we need to start pushing them out of our spaces and making

00:07:46.400 them into allies and then I would go home to my white family who had took care of me my entire

00:07:50.840 life and I couldn't see the racism that everybody was talking about and and that really broke down

00:07:56.500 the walls of my ideology uh from that from that moment okay uh how did you end up working with

00:08:03.380 prageru and when did that happen how long have you been with them i've only been with them for

00:08:07.860 a little over a year now and it started because they made videos on tick tock i left the organization

00:08:14.500 that i was working for and for about a year and a half did nothing but just research because i

00:08:19.620 had found all these issues where i was deciding to change my mind and open up a little bit more

00:08:25.140 and I thought well what else could I possibly be wrong about or what else could I have a different

00:08:28.880 right have you experienced that yeah mine was mine was okay I'll I'll give you a bit of background

00:08:34.800 because mine mine was different um I was very ill I had an autoimmune disorder and I was like put

00:08:40.800 into the medical system that's how I put it anyway when I was seven and I was in the hospital all the

00:08:45.900 time and when I was 23 it was when I was 23 so a bit older than you but um I ended up putting

00:08:53.940 myself into remission with diet with a paleo diet at the beginning and all my health symptoms went

00:08:59.000 away and I was on like eight medications I was unbelievably ill and that happened and I thought

00:09:05.800 I had no idea that that was possible I didn't know that was possible I was told that wasn't possible

00:09:10.960 and then I had the same kind of experience where I started looking around being like

00:09:14.620 I so firmly believed this and I was so wrong that what if I'm wrong about a whole bunch of

00:09:20.420 other things and I'm conducting my life in a way like based on lies. And so my belief in everything

00:09:26.240 disappeared for a while. Yeah, I went through the same exact thing as you. And I'm wondering

00:09:30.840 if you experienced this where when you started to recognize that you might have been wrong or

00:09:35.320 might have had a different perception, you wanted to hold on to what you believe to. And I wanted

00:09:40.560 to hold on and wanted to believe everything that I had thought my whole life where it was kind of

00:09:44.260 hard to open up and go in and look at new things. Did that happen to you at all?

00:09:48.060 i mean yeah i think what i mean i had a difficult time like the way i got to diet was through

00:09:56.560 reading scientific papers and that slowly led me to diet and it hurt it definitely hurt when i had

00:10:02.820 that switch and was like i was wrong there was like i would say there was some physical pain

00:10:07.680 there letting go of some of those beliefs so if that's what you mean it wasn't easy it wasn't just

00:10:12.600 like a switch it was it broke me for a number of years it wasn't a quick recovery it was like I

00:10:18.900 was so kind of uh I felt arrogant that's how I felt it was like I was so pot sure about myself

00:10:25.140 and like how could I have been that sure and so wrong and I hope I never make that mistake again

00:10:30.660 type of thing same and it's like it's part of it's part of growing up too I was so confident

00:10:34.980 as a young person like I was going out and doing speeches and organizing students and like being

00:10:39.880 the person to lead that now I look back at myself and go oh my gosh you were you had so much audacity

00:10:44.460 for such a young person who truly didn't know anything at the time and then when you realize

00:10:49.480 you don't know anything you're like wow I just dedicated all this time all this energy to

00:10:54.540 something that I thought was just absolutely true and then it's not and it's it's devastating in a

00:10:59.800 way but then you seek some fulfillment out of learning what is what is actually true or at

00:11:04.380 least trying to find what is actually true well then that's good and you're obviously going about

00:11:09.620 that the right way because there are lots of people who kind of realize that they're wrong

00:11:13.220 about something and then rather than pursuing the truth they just go oh well never mind I'm just

00:11:18.700 going to double down on what I believe even if it's not true because it hurts to change what you

00:11:23.460 believe right a hundred percent and when I had gone into the rabbit hole of of this whole transition

00:11:29.760 and of actually finding out where I where I laid on things I entered the journey with the intent

00:11:36.560 of doubling down on what I believed and I had a particular instance where I was pulled over by a

00:11:42.480 police officer and through my younger years in life I had obviously always followed the news

00:11:49.420 and things that my mother and her organization had shown me and it was stuff like Tamir Rice

00:11:54.040 and Michael Brown and Eric Garner and Philando Castile like I watched that video with my own

00:11:59.260 eyes so I had already had this preconceived notion that if I had ever had an encounter with a police

00:12:04.300 officer it was going to go poorly and when the moment came to fruition and I saw the lights and

00:12:10.040 this guy walks up to my car I started freaking out and I had never had such a visceral response

00:12:14.560 I mean just like crying shaking remembering to like turn your camera on put your hands on ten

00:12:20.300 and two and this white male cop walked up which was my worst nightmare at the time and he just

00:12:27.140 recognized something and said you know I'm not here to hurt you at all you were just driving a

00:12:31.280 little too fast yeah it was just like a beautiful moment and I've never seen that man again he'll

00:12:36.140 never know exactly what he did for me but that moment crushed something in me so I went to the

00:12:41.380 internet and I was like no there's no way that there's good police in America I need to look

00:12:45.520 into this I need to double down on what I believe and I found the opposite so that's what sparked

00:12:50.200 it for me wow that's wild yeah in retrospect I had a lot of just like crazy weird moments that

00:12:58.060 made me question where I was and who I was yeah okay well fair enough so what was so did Prager

00:13:06.280 you find you on TikTok through the TikToks yeah so I started making videos on the internet just

00:13:11.540 as a hobby just saying like hey I'm a conservative I believe this this and that and this is my old

00:13:16.320 self and the videos just slowly started picking up traction and I think I had a video that all

00:13:22.240 of a sudden just got 10 million views on the platform wow yeah it was it was wild and and it

00:13:28.340 blew up and I was getting all this hate and all this support and one of the people working here

00:13:33.720 at Prager E reached out to me and was like hey I'd love to just get on a call with you to discuss

00:13:38.320 your story and I hopped on this call and told her my story and she said well we're doing a casting

00:13:45.000 call to find the next will wit and yeah we're very similar as you can probably see uh and she's

00:13:53.820 like we'd love to bring you out to la to tell your story so i i flew out and uh did a video

00:13:58.740 called stories of us where i told it and went over everything and then they offered me a job

00:14:02.660 and i thought you know what i'm young whatever i should take this opportunity so i within a span of

00:14:07.920 like three weeks moved out here yeah wow that's awesome thank you so what what's it like are you

00:14:13.580 i mean i suppose they're there watching you so you can't really tell me but what's it like

00:14:17.820 are you enjoying are you having a good time it's i am having a good time and i imagine it's it's

00:14:23.020 similar to to what you're doing like you have this massive platform that's just been thrown in your

00:14:28.020 lap a little bit which can be stressful and overwhelming but you have so much freedom about

00:14:32.200 what you talk about and what you say and i get to just be really open about the things that i'm

00:14:39.580 learning and going through. And that's the wonderful thing about it. I think the only

00:14:45.600 downside is I often feel an immense amount of pressure to just stay on top of everything that's

00:14:51.940 happening all the time, which I'm sure you feel too, and to constantly just have something to say

00:14:58.040 about everything that's happening in the world. But other than that, there's so much freedom

00:15:01.260 involved with this job. That's nice. That's great. That's great. That's good to hear. That doesn't

00:15:06.920 sounds stifling either. No. What's an average day look like for you? Average day I sort of get up

00:15:16.520 start looking at what everybody's talking about in the news and looking at all the differing

00:15:22.340 perspectives on it and just sort of getting a grasp on on what people think and feel and I

00:15:27.820 will make like micro content for social media on the biggest trending stories and those are the

00:15:32.740 little reels and shorts that everybody sees and then I start working on my daily show which I do

00:15:37.560 an hour every single day talking about any given topic yeah and I'll write out the different

00:15:44.140 stories for that start bullet pointing my perspective and giving voice to people who

00:15:49.280 oppose what I have to say and and then we go live at three o'clock and do that for everybody

00:15:54.640 wow that's really fun that's every day that's every day

00:15:59.440 yeah so you must be pretty involved in what's going on I'm not

00:16:04.940 I'm not honestly no I keep hopping on this podcast and they're like

00:16:08.520 remember there was the don't say gay bill I didn't even hear about it for a month

00:16:12.100 oh lucky you yeah I've been like I don't know Elon buying Twitter I was on top of that

00:16:17.900 is that something that's been about it are you just like I I'm actively trying to stay away

00:16:24.020 from this because it's not something that's good for my life or is it just something that you don't

00:16:27.560 particularly take interest in um I've just been busy like I do um I have my podcast but I don't

00:16:33.540 spend very much time hopefully I'm going to spend more time on the podcast because I used to put

00:16:37.280 episodes out twice a week that was better but I got so busy with uh work for my dad and we're

00:16:43.120 building a new platform and so I have haven't been up to date I think it's been that and then moving

00:16:48.300 all over the place now I can only imagine how busy it must be especially with all the family

00:16:52.780 work you guys are like building an empire and it's so it's so needed I can imagine it's a stretch

00:16:57.300 thin yeah it's very thin but it's fun I think when I settle down in Miami then I'll put episodes

00:17:02.820 twice a week and I'll be more on top of oh you're gonna have so much fun enjoy it yeah you're gonna

00:17:08.100 do so well in Miami too Florida is the best and I miss it so much did you did you move from Florida

00:17:13.260 where in Florida were you yeah I was in central Florida near Orlando and about a little over a

00:17:18.980 year ago i moved out here to la which was just massive culture shock a super change from like

00:17:24.840 freedom states to california which was just so different for me yeah yikes oh yeah okay yikes

00:17:32.640 is the word that sums it up yeah no every time i go to california i'm like eh nah just give it a

00:17:39.420 few more years nah i always wanted to move to la i wanted to move to la since i was little from

00:17:43.920 california and then a couple years ago i was like maybe not so much oh me too i had these wild

00:17:49.360 expectations of what la was actually going to be and then i got here and it by no means was the

00:17:54.380 reality yeah yeah okay i'm gonna go through i've got a whole list of questions for you okay cool

00:17:59.960 um but okay let's start with no let's start with this just to finish up what we were talking about

00:18:08.180 did your kind of uh i wouldn't say conversion but switching beliefs uh did you end up losing

00:18:13.760 a lot of friends or were you able to kind of explain the transition to people? It's interesting

00:18:19.360 because I had a wide variety of friends at the time and my conservative friends who were friends

00:18:27.680 with me somehow during my crazy radical period when I was contesting everything they had to say

00:18:33.260 all the time, they stuck around and just cheered me on and were just happy to see that I was

00:18:38.800 evolving and getting more open to things it was my progressive friends who dipped out and they did

00:18:45.360 so silently which was the really interesting thing for me like I had been talking to them on a daily

00:18:50.600 basis and uh on the side was just posting these social media videos and uh promoting that and

00:18:56.920 talking about the the journey that I was going through and just slowly but surely they stopped

00:19:01.800 messaging me I and then I was blocked and then it was just absolutely no contact with no explanation

00:19:07.880 which i can only ascribe to them seeing those videos and not being happy with what i had to

00:19:14.020 say because it was sort of this unspoken uh reality that we were experiencing where they

00:19:19.220 just wouldn't bring up politics with me anymore uh and yeah it was it was rough for a little bit

00:19:25.380 there but then i just recognize you know those people are not true friends if they can't stick

00:19:29.960 around when you have a differing viewpoint yeah yeah okay okay okay so then on to my list of

00:19:36.840 questions okay you have a lot of thoughts on only fans so I do what are what are some of the first

00:19:44.840 things that come come to mind about only fans the first thing that comes to mind for me is you know

00:19:49.880 if you're a grown woman and that's something that you want to do by all means I do not want to

00:19:54.520 infringe on people's right to go and do that where I took issue with that platform in particular

00:19:59.180 was being on social media and seeing it pushed so hard for young women saying that this is a

00:20:06.340 not only is this a career alternative, but this is something that's going to make you hundreds of

00:20:10.900 thousands, if not millions of dollars, which is a lie for the most part. Of course, if you're one

00:20:16.000 of their top creators, that's the money you're going to get. But I was just scrolling through

00:20:19.660 social media. And of course, they curate these pages for you based on your demographics and

00:20:24.400 your age and what they think you're going to like or at least be susceptible to. And it was all of

00:20:28.840 these young women saying, you know, if you need a sign to go be on OnlyFans and sell your pictures,

00:20:34.080 yeah here's my bank account and i make eighty thousand dollars a month doing this and i saw

00:20:38.620 just all these young girls i'm talking like 13 14 15 commenting well as soon as i turn 18 this is

00:20:44.800 what i'm gonna do i can't wait like who needs to go to school who needs to pursue a career when you

00:20:50.940 can just do this as your career and that i just think culturally is probably a no-no for for our

00:20:58.180 future I would imagine it's not gonna not gonna look up yeah yeah I think the issue I've had with

00:21:05.680 that is people play it off as if it's not as if it's fine right they're like oh do this for a

00:21:11.380 while it's fine like maybe things change maybe you drop it later but like you do that kind of thing

00:21:16.020 and you're not going to feel good about yourself right and I don't and I honestly don't think I

00:21:21.120 believe that there are people maybe there's the very rare individual that does that and is like

00:21:27.020 yeah i'm fine it's fine but i don't think that makes people feel good about themselves and i

00:21:32.300 think like saying that it's fine it is a lie i completely agree with you i think it's a veneer

00:21:38.180 that they put on i think money shields that a little bit too yeah i was looking into it it was

00:21:42.920 like the average uh income that you make from only fans is somebody just starting out it's like

00:21:47.080 180 a month so you're getting all of these young women to go like oh yeah i'm gonna make so much

00:21:52.180 money here's my pictures and you never get to take that back and you have to think that even

00:21:58.000 the women who are super successful have to be experiencing some form of like psychological

00:22:03.140 trauma walking around and not knowing who has seen you naked or who has just got to experience your

00:22:08.680 body in a way that is so intimate and I yeah I'm just with you on that one I think it's a total

00:22:13.760 veneer of people saying this is positive and I don't mind it at all yeah and then like you said

00:22:19.060 they prey on really young people so at like 17 or 18 or 19 or 20 21 even i think like i'd say

00:22:27.300 probably anything under 23 uh that that idea of having money especially when you don't have any

00:22:33.140 so like if you're in university or something you're like i don't have you know i i have money

00:22:36.720 barely to cover groceries and that's about it but it's like this is easy like i'm already kind of

00:22:42.580 doing it on instagram just to go a little bit further do it on only fans but then you know

00:22:47.180 like i said these advertising agencies that advertise only fans so basically only fans

00:22:52.520 offer it as an alternative and it's not something that it's going to make you feel good once you can

00:22:57.980 think more properly i would say no it is it is legitimately just a massive massive trick and i

00:23:05.180 can understand why young people fall for it like when i was in high school i would always joke

00:23:08.820 about you know oh when i graduate i'm just going to be a stripper and that's what's going to pay

00:23:12.260 for my college yeah like yeah exactly i don't know why that's a joke people have i had that as

00:23:17.380 well so did my friends be so much easier stripping yeah yeah and you think that you think that and

00:23:23.980 because but it's not at all it really isn't and it's not going to pay off your house it's not

00:23:28.260 going to pay off your college but i could see like if you're a young person growing up in this

00:23:31.860 climate right now and you're looking at like how expensive higher education is if you are not

00:23:37.600 particularly happy with the minimum wage if you're looking at how devastatingly difficult it can be

00:23:43.360 to buy a house how you'd be like oh i'll just sell my body for a few years and then we'll forget

00:23:47.760 about that and move on but you don't move on that's the thing yeah and you don't forget about

00:23:52.240 it no and i just imagine like you you do only fans and then like 15 years later you're sending

00:23:58.580 your kid to school and the other kids find out that your mom has naked pictures on the internet

00:24:02.840 just I can only imagine all the horrible ways that it could go wrong yeah there are a lot of

00:24:07.760 them so many uh okay I have to be very careful about some of these questions okay no worries

00:24:18.640 yeah um okay let's cover I haven't actually talked about this on my podcast yet the

00:24:26.100 Amber Heard Johnny Depp trial did you stay up to date on it and what do you think about the

00:24:32.560 outcomes i didn't watch the the trial in its entirety but i did keep up with sort of the

00:24:38.020 ins and outs who was testifying what was happening and just the general pulse of the entire situation

00:24:43.480 and my view i'm very happy with the verdict that they got on this of saying that she did defame

00:24:49.020 him and it's an interesting thing i i wonder if this sort of trial is just something that

00:24:55.020 was a car crash that people couldn't look away from and that's why they're so interested or if

00:24:58.960 it's actually going to change the culture around some of these conversations my hope is that this

00:25:05.160 sort of annihilates the believe all women narrative that we've been subjecting ourselves to because

00:25:11.380 it's just inherently untrue you can't look at a group of people and because of their gender say

00:25:15.520 that they're meant to be believed and yeah I hope that that's what happens I think the unfortunate

00:25:20.800 side of this is now that you have a lot of actual female victims of domestic abuse who are not going

00:25:26.560 to be believed in the wake of what she's done so there's a lot of different sides to this

00:25:30.900 yeah it was weird to see something like a trial like that online although I think it was probably

00:25:37.880 appropriate I know there were people commenting saying this should have been kind of behind

00:25:41.760 closed doors but the fact that Johnny Depp's career was actually completely sabotaged it was

00:25:46.740 like no maybe people do deserve to kind of see this given the fact he was like the star and then

00:25:52.260 disappeared yeah i had that same conversation like is this okay is this a reflection of a healthy

00:25:58.900 society yeah yeah basically but then i thought about it and i was like well she's the one who

00:26:04.660 brought this whole story to the press she made this a worldwide announcement and it deserves to

00:26:10.080 be uh reconciled as a worldwide announcement if that's what you came to the table with so that's

00:26:14.940 the thing that's justified it for me but i still feel that same creepy feeling about just watching

00:26:20.000 people display all the intimate ins and outs of their relationship it is it's weird i don't know

00:26:25.940 why that was allowed i might have to look into that there must have been a reason that it was

00:26:29.340 actually televised because that's that's do you know why it was actually televised and i i tried

00:26:34.240 looking into it too like did they have to consent to it being televised and if so is that another

00:26:39.180 incentive for all this and yeah it's just it's a sticky situation because it's just this mix of

00:26:44.860 just celebrity and fame and salacious stories and all this stuff and i i've i've been watching

00:26:50.380 russell brand a lot lately and he's been he's been commenting on it and saying oh he's fantastic

00:26:54.980 like i i've i've been obsessed with him for a while but even more so now with with his views

00:27:00.380 and how he communicates these things but his view has just been the same like this is a really

00:27:04.900 strange thing for us all to be going through but also brings up discussions that need to be had so

00:27:10.020 is that the trade-off that we have here yeah yeah fair enough did you get did you get banned on

00:27:16.080 TikTok I've been banned so many times on that why so I the main marker that I get on that platform

00:27:24.520 is hate speech so if if you go and say that men are men and women are women it's hate speech if

00:27:30.080 I go and say well I'm a black person who doesn't particularly agree with the idea of systemic

00:27:35.920 racism hate speech taken down and i get permanently banned i think i've been permanently banned three

00:27:40.980 or four times now uh and then they always give me my account back wow is that did you think that's

00:27:47.420 the most left-wing platform out there right now honestly i think so uh we could go through and

00:27:54.000 look at everything but tiktok is truly i've never seen something more sensitive to saying something

00:28:00.260 outside of the box or that is not widely accepted by that ideology. And I have just never seen more

00:28:08.020 young people so confidently espousing what is really radical ideology and millions and millions

00:28:16.780 of likes, hundreds of thousands of comments. And it's, it's just sold to you. It's, it's insane.

00:28:23.540 And that's, what's made me start making videos in the beginning. I just hopped on TikTok just

00:28:27.580 to see what it was because everybody was talking about it and then trump did that whole ccp thing

00:28:32.200 so i was like okay let's look at this and i went on my for you page for what they curated for me

00:28:37.620 and it was all this stuff about just like racism and sell your body and grooming and and uh you

00:28:44.300 know sexual empowerment and all this stuff and i thought this is insane this is unbelievable

00:28:48.400 wow mine was strange at the beginning too i haven't been on it very much but i remember at

00:28:53.360 the beginning i was like whoa they didn't get me right if that's like the average consumer that

00:28:57.000 they didn't get me right at all no but then then i'm thinking okay well they know that their

00:29:01.360 platform is widely used by people who are like 13 to 18 and those people are impressionable and

00:29:07.260 might not have uh direct distinct opinions yet and if you see just all these other young people

00:29:13.540 saying the same thing you're like oh well everybody literally everybody on tiktok says this is true

00:29:18.980 so this is what i believe now it's crazy yikes yikes that's concerning okay um

00:29:27.520 how much sex ed should schools have this is something that i struggled with uh just thinking

00:29:37.580 about i tried to remember when i started getting sex education in school and i don't think it was

00:29:43.160 until about fifth grade and I don't remember how old you are in fifth grade same for you I think

00:29:48.580 I think mine was fifth grade too and I think you're about 11 10 or 11 okay 10 or 11 and I just

00:29:56.420 remember learning that you know if you're gonna have sex you should use a condom and you should

00:30:03.980 get STD checked and and just the very basic simple this is how a baby is made so watch out

00:30:11.760 and I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with that I think if you approach the

00:30:17.160 subject with just here's what is objectively true about making this decision in your life and here

00:30:23.860 are the things that could happen that's totally fine I think where we got into like the whole

00:30:29.320 don't say gay bill and all of this stuff is going farther outside the the span of neutrality and

00:30:35.900 talking about things like gender and the different sexual experiences you can have and you know I

00:30:42.400 don't want to get too explicit. Did you get that? Did you get that in school? No not at all there

00:30:47.620 was no discussion of you could possibly feel dysmorphic from whatever body you were born in

00:30:55.080 around eating like eating disorders and things like that we would talk about that sort of

00:30:59.640 dysmorphia but nothing in relation to gender we never got that we never got like these are

00:31:05.740 the different sex acts that you could perform with somebody, which is screenshots that I'm

00:31:10.680 seeing right now from a lot of like elementary school, middle school age kids. So that's where

00:31:16.760 I sort of draw the line. Just talk about what is objectively true. And I would even say you can

00:31:21.120 talk about the fact that some people choose to do that with the same sex. Totally fine. And here are

00:31:26.440 the things that you need to do if that's your choice. Totally fine. But we don't need to do

00:31:30.760 all that other stuff let the parents handle it yeah yeah let the parents handle it um how do

00:31:36.820 you feel so this is something i kind of shied a topic i shied away from for a while because dad

00:31:40.800 was all um wrapped up with bill c16 and you know compelled speech he was very well he's still

00:31:48.060 against compelled speech and it kind of got wrapped up in the trans debate if that's a debate

00:31:51.940 um and so i kind of avoided it but then recently seeing especially in college sports seeing these

00:31:58.620 people that are like biological males especially the swimmer this really pissed me off because it

00:32:04.440 was like you know six foot I don't know three like giant man competing with like women and

00:32:13.000 it just boggles my mind and it feels regressive like like women had a lot to fight for for a long

00:32:22.080 time to be taken seriously to be able to work in the workplace even to go to university in the

00:32:27.880 first place and then to have oh the the people winning in women's sports are biological men but

00:32:33.320 don't worry it's fair it's just too far um what's your opinion on on how that's been going i mean

00:32:41.980 i completely agree with everything you just said and i i like to approach people who disagree with

00:32:47.200 me with a high degree of empathy because i was there before in my life but when you when you

00:32:52.060 watch things like this happen and you see how devoid they are of logic and just actually being

00:32:59.020 having integrity when it comes to talking about these things it makes me upset to see it and that

00:33:04.780 swimmer that you're talking about in particular leah thomas just went on good morning america to

00:33:08.200 talk about uh i don't know what pronouns to use their experience uh being a part of this this swim

00:33:16.060 team and said you know i know a lot of people are upset about this but i'm happy and this idea that

00:33:21.980 an individual's happiness is above fairness is above infringing on other people's rights is above

00:33:28.380 infringing on like the careers that these young women have worked their entire lives for

00:33:32.460 unbelievable to me that anybody could see it and then you know if you're gonna approach it in good

00:33:37.940 faith and go yeah I recognize the biological advantage but I still think it's okay that's a

00:33:42.800 different discussion but there are people coming to the table and saying well there's no advantage

00:33:46.940 there the body is not different it's the exact same you know cisgendered women are different too

00:33:52.100 and there's a lot of variation so it doesn't matter and when you start being disingenuous

00:33:55.800 that's when i'm like okay we need to we need to knock this out and i'm sure you can speak to this

00:34:01.960 you're accepting of people who are adults and are are transgender and want to change their bodies

00:34:08.160 is that something that you're you're cool with if they're adults right if they're adults i don't

00:34:13.660 really care like do what you want as long as it's not going to be kind of put on me yeah if they're

00:34:18.580 adults yeah and that's why we're we've sort of been forced to get into this discussion about it

00:34:23.700 because we agree on that and i think that's something that your your dad agreed with when

00:34:27.520 he was talking about the c16 bill and all this stuff too and suddenly they're like okay not only

00:34:33.720 is it okay but we need to we can step on female athletes and we can compel your speech and we can

00:34:40.120 force you to accept this reality too and that's where we go whoa whoa wait a minute i said it was

00:34:45.880 cool just don't come and step on my right in my lifestyle please yeah yeah yeah pretty crazy

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00:36:10.580 What do you think about Biden's idea to pardon student debt?

00:36:15.900 I don't think it's going to happen, at least not in the scale that it was promised to a lot of young people.

00:36:22.920 A lot of times when I see this, I just think it's a political ploy to get young people out to vote and to support you.

00:36:30.500 And it seems to work every time when you're a young person facing the idea of higher education and you see how expensive it is.

00:36:35.800 yeah and you hear this side go I'm going to totally take care of that for you that's the

00:36:39.380 side I'm going to go to her because that's that's the one that affects my life so I think it's a

00:36:43.000 ploy in some ways he might forgive maybe like ten thousand dollars debt from people how much is

00:36:47.720 that actually going to do but just from a fairness standpoint you chose to take out that loan you

00:36:55.220 chose to pursue higher education nobody forced you to to put yourself in in this insurmountable

00:37:00.800 debt so why is it now the government's obligation to take you out of that are we going to do the

00:37:04.940 same for people who regret taking out a mortgage on their house or regret taking out that car loan

00:37:10.600 it's essentially the same thing money giving being given to you in order to pursue something

00:37:15.220 and there's certainly an issue with how expensive higher education is and I think that's a discussion

00:37:20.200 we should all be having but it's not the discussion of forgiving debt that people

00:37:23.820 willingly put themselves in what did you do for university so I when I left high school I started

00:37:31.860 working for that organization I did that for a year and decided not to pursue college and then

00:37:35.900 after that I left and I was like no more politics I'm not talking about this anymore what's something

00:37:40.400 that I can do that's pretty pretty cut and dry and I was like medicine I won't get into arguments

00:37:45.220 about politics or religion or anything in medicine yeah but you'll find that going to the sciences

00:37:50.300 yeah exactly exactly so I actually started working at an immunology clinic which is why you know when

00:37:56.820 you said you had an immune disorder I was like oh yeah I totally get the the turmoil that you

00:38:00.980 probably went through. So I started working there and working with patients and at night I was going

00:38:05.320 to school for nursing eventually with the intent of becoming a midwife but that obviously didn't

00:38:10.580 pan out so here I am. Yeah no fair. I went back to school for sciences too. I took two years of

00:38:16.920 sciences. It was really interesting like it's hard and it's similar to the nursing degree

00:38:21.640 with just the and the first couple years of that it's intense. It's much different than an arts

00:38:26.580 degree oh it is it's here's a textbook to memorize like okay yeah here's every part in the body and

00:38:32.920 you need to know exactly how it works and what medications to give and all but it's so it's so

00:38:37.080 interesting and so fun and once you have the information it's so useful I would come to find

00:38:41.400 that medicine is actually just as contentious as politics which I'm sure you learned too in your

00:38:46.120 own health journey but uh it was still it was still a great a great couple years there yeah

00:38:51.080 and then how come you decided to not pursue that do you just see opportunity elsewhere

00:38:55.180 yeah I got that call from PragerU and they said yeah you know uh let's let's move you out here to

00:39:00.660 LA and you can pursue this and I thought yeah I I think it's an important thing to be doing right

00:39:05.420 now I'll take that up and luckily I got out right in the nick of time because it was just before

00:39:09.680 they started saying you know if you're going to be a nurse you have to be vaccinated and you have

00:39:13.540 to do this this and that so I got out just before like the authoritarian measures started taking

00:39:19.160 place yeah yikes okay well I think that was a good decision I mean yeah absolutely no yeah yeah

00:39:26.860 no no not at all for that reason for sure but also if the purpose of pursuing an education is

00:39:32.660 to get a job and then you already have an opportunity for a job I think right I think

00:39:36.980 people in college make that mistake sometimes if they're presented with an opportunity and they're

00:39:40.900 like well I have to finish my degree it's like yeah but is the opportunity what you're working

00:39:44.920 for anyway or what you're working towards like maybe maybe it's more important than the degree

00:39:50.140 exactly and I go back and think about just my time in K through 12 school and how we were

00:39:56.840 constantly inundated with this idea that you have to go to college like when I told guidance

00:40:02.720 counselors at my school like I don't think I'm gonna go to college they were so upset they were

00:40:07.580 blowing through the roof like they could not believe that a young person would not want to

00:40:10.760 go to college and now I get on the other side of it and I'm just like wow this feels like this just

00:40:14.760 massive Ponzi scheme to get all of our money when we could be pursuing avenues elsewhere.

00:40:20.440 All the people that I meet in this line of work and I talk to them just like, what college

00:40:23.560 should you go to?

00:40:24.560 Oh, well, I went here for a couple of years and I dropped out and now I'm doing this or

00:40:27.200 I didn't go to college at all.

00:40:28.760 And so many successful people didn't do that and didn't didn't fall for that.

00:40:33.340 Of course, if your career needs higher education, by all means, pursue it.

00:40:36.240 And I think it's a wonderful thing, but it is a big trick in a lot of ways.

00:40:40.000 Yeah, I think it I think it works for some people who need a more structured way to learn,

00:40:44.580 Like maybe in order to learn, you have to take classes and you have to be told what to read and you have to be forced to write essays.

00:40:50.500 But if you can go online and take courses or if you read by yourself, then it's kind of a giant waste of money.

00:40:57.340 Like you said, especially in America, like at least Canada is more reasonable.

00:41:01.260 But America, it's a crazy amount of money.

00:41:04.620 And then what do you get exactly?

00:41:07.260 Yeah, you get debt and a cookie cutter education that everybody else around you got.

00:41:11.140 and i i would love to see education change to be more personalized to students and i hope that's

00:41:15.460 something that we're on the the cusp of but it doesn't really look like it i think the system

00:41:20.500 is going to have to break completely see yeah we'll agree will's like abolish the public schools

00:41:26.260 i'm not quite on that train yet i think uh i think we just need a push from from parents to

00:41:33.300 just have personalized education when i was at the end of my schooling career that's when they

00:41:38.660 they started started talking about you know if you have certain interests will sort of cater your

00:41:42.540 education to those interests I don't know if they're continuing to do that but I wish they

00:41:46.100 would I know a lot of schools in Europe when you're like 16 you're like I'm interested in

00:41:50.080 being a mechanic they're like okay perfect we'll go and teach you how to do that or I'm interested

00:41:53.740 in in English okay well we'll put you down that path I wish we did that more here and I don't

00:41:58.560 know why we don't do that yeah I think you'd have to go to a pretty expensive private school to get

00:42:04.700 that kind of education and even then they push you towards college it might just be outdated

00:42:09.540 like maybe maybe 15 20 years ago that was the way to go right maybe the education you got in college

00:42:16.480 was the way to go maybe it wasn't as expensive for a number of reasons and maybe the public school

00:42:21.240 system or private school system just hasn't caught up and they're like oh wait college isn't what you

00:42:25.680 think it is anymore exactly and our world is opening up to so many different new jobs and

00:42:30.280 careers that have never existed before. Yeah. And we haven't accommodated for that yet. I don't

00:42:34.520 think. No, not at all. Not at all. Even using social media as a type of job is like four years

00:42:41.920 ago, five years ago, even now, but especially five years ago, it was like, that's a joke.

00:42:46.140 Like kind of look down on it was like, no, no, no, this is serious. There's an opportunity here.

00:42:51.040 Yeah. And now with TikTok, it's like 15 year olds are providing for their entire family

00:42:55.060 just by making videos every single day. It's insane. How do you, how do you make money off

00:42:59.800 of TikTok do they get ad sponsorships so there's a multi there's multiple things that you can do

00:43:04.760 so you can become a creator and once you reach a certain amount of followers and views on your

00:43:10.260 videos you get invited to a TikTok creator fund which is a very poorly run monetization tool that

00:43:19.040 they have where they have one big pool of money and all the creators are added in and as your

00:43:23.600 videos get more views you get more money but that pool of money never changes it's it's finite for

00:43:28.520 some reason and then they have the creator marketplace where you can link up with brands

00:43:34.840 and do ads uh through your tiktok videos and get clothing lines and all that fun stuff okay

00:43:40.900 so there's so many ways to to make money off of tiktok wow yeah i have to learn that platform more

00:43:49.320 it's really really useful i think it's yeah i mean at your at your own risk it's i think it's

00:43:55.580 one of the fastest growing social media platforms where that is really given an opportunity for

00:44:00.580 anybody and i mean anybody to make a name for their self whether that's a good thing

00:44:05.460 super questionable but super super useful if you're already doing it and it's something that

00:44:10.480 you're good at which obviously you are thank you i'm just taking podcast clips i'm like good luck

00:44:15.840 tiktok here's some podcast clips not sure exactly if that's the type of content you're into but this

00:44:20.800 is what you get i get your stuff on my for you page so it must be working good ha infiltrating

00:44:26.660 that's what i want okay this is this is fun um what do you think women want in men

00:44:34.540 exactly the opposite of what they're saying they want right now

00:44:38.960 honestly i there's a there seems to be a culture of women saying you know i want this absolutely

00:44:48.240 perfect prince charming who dotes on me all the time and is super emotional and is constantly

00:44:55.960 updating me on his feelings and then they show their boyfriend and it's like this masculine

00:45:00.260 provider protector who is you know constantly there for you but handles problems so i think

00:45:07.280 that's what women actually want and what they gravitate towards but what comes out of the mouth

00:45:11.960 can be a little different i think men i don't know if you've noticed but they're a lot more

00:45:18.000 feminine uh these days at least here in LA where I live a lot of very feminine men but I think women

00:45:24.280 typically look for uh an amount of masculinity that usurps their own so whatever that might be

00:45:30.720 for you yeah that I like that explanation I did um I had a conversation the other day and I don't

00:45:36.820 know whether or not this is true but apparently uh this is getting into the conspiracy part of my

00:45:42.660 show which i extremely enjoy and love it who knows what out what out there is right tinfoil hat on

00:45:48.940 oh yeah um i don't even know how tinfoil this is but apparently there's a lot of chinese production

00:45:54.440 companies that are backing hollywood movies that are portraying more feminine men and so they'll

00:46:00.820 push a whole bunch of money into these movies saying oh no this is the ideal man just like

00:46:05.700 feminine man is the ideal man but they won't show that content in china so we're just brainwashing

00:46:11.340 all the young people being like oh no well like i want i when i grow up i want to marry a pansy

00:46:15.740 that's like right no you don't right but isn't that crazy it is crazy and i i've seen the same

00:46:22.620 thing like they'll they'll fund like feminist campaigns here in the united states that talk

00:46:27.880 about toxic masculinity and feminizing men and they funded crt videos that get shown in american

00:46:33.740 schools but they would never show that in china which is crazy unbelievable it seems to me like

00:46:39.320 they are just slowly chipping away at us through the own our own divides that we've created and

00:46:44.380 they're just fueling them and sparking them even more and with the men with the man one you have

00:46:50.120 to think that's like long-term chess move yeah insane like we have now a culture of feminine men

00:46:57.240 who are linking up with masculine women because women are getting more masculine in our in our

00:47:02.440 nation and then they're going to create even more feminized boys and more and more and more and

00:47:07.560 long term big win for china there okay yeah i feel that yeah what a chess move though like

00:47:14.500 decades ago they're like sitting around some evil table being like you know what'd be funny

00:47:18.980 turning all the men into women in america that would be funny let's just do this slowly yeah

00:47:24.860 it'd be funny while we become like this global sensation and push for this globalist economy

00:47:30.100 and everything at the same time it's really just like long term decades long chess moves of of that

00:47:37.280 old adage of you know i don't need to destroy my enemy i'll have them do it themselves and i think

00:47:41.360 that's honestly where we're headed yeah pretty crazy well it's good that places like prager you

00:47:47.320 exist just to give kind of a voice and it's nice that you've been brought on and they're they're

00:47:52.600 trying to work with younger people too because a lot of the conservative movement is kind of like

00:47:56.580 well what it's stereotyped as which is like old middle-aged white men talking about boring things

00:48:01.760 yeah which which isn't the case at all so no that was my view of conservatives it's just like

00:48:07.900 they're old crotchety men capitalists who don't care about anything that you feel and never want

00:48:13.040 to hear you speak and all this stuff and I I think I ended up finding Thomas Sowell and he

00:48:17.240 broke through that idea for me oh yeah he's he's just like a strong hitter I feel like anybody who

00:48:23.780 comes across his videos has their mind changed and he's in his 90s now which is just crazy and I

00:48:29.820 wonder I know like who's going to take on that massive legacy and push forward forth that message

00:48:36.420 but yeah I had the same view so now I'm like totally trying to break through that stereotype

00:48:41.420 and play conservatives are fun they care about you they're empathetic to the way that you feel

00:48:46.220 even though they tell you that you're that you're wrong and just break the perception break the

00:48:50.880 perception I like that they're compassionate to the way that you feel even though they'll tell

00:48:56.480 you that you're wrong i like that yeah that's why i'm at because i i stepped into this and i saw a

00:49:03.140 lot of conservatives i'm sure you see this too who are like i'm a lion you're a sheep you're so wrong

00:49:08.380 you got brainwashed that would never happen to me you're so stupid and i thought if i was a leftist

00:49:13.320 which i was i would have watched that video for like two seconds and turned it off how can i

00:49:17.520 approach this in a way that keeps them and when i get protested and or people leave hate comments

00:49:24.020 on my stuff I go hey yo I used to be just like you four years ago I would have been leaving this

00:49:28.800 same exact comment and I totally understand why you feel the way that you feel why you support

00:49:33.700 the policies that you you support can I give you a different perspective that might change your

00:49:38.640 mind and that has seemed to break down some of the barriers of people who at the outset would

00:49:45.140 have never talked to me in a million years oh that's fantastic that's fantastic so have you

00:49:51.340 experience a lot of negativity online and does it bother you it does not bother me but I experience

00:49:56.900 so much of it uh I when I first started doing this I thought you know I'd get a big wave of

00:50:03.500 hate and then it would slowly die out but it's just a constant ever-flowing pool of hate of just

00:50:10.020 you're a race traitor you're a coon you're an uncle tom I can't believe you hate yourself

00:50:14.820 you must have been raised by a white woman not even knowing that my mom is just like a super

00:50:19.920 leftist. And it doesn't bother me at all because it's exactly who I was as a person. So I totally

00:50:27.040 understand the space that people are coming from in saying those things. I did a recent I'm sure

00:50:33.580 you've like stepped into controversy at some point and just been like, well, this is a huge

00:50:37.880 flow of hate that I didn't anticipate. I, I called out this TikToker, not really called out, I did a

00:50:44.000 really respectful podcast about transgender ideology and talking about people on TikTok who

00:50:49.640 were getting famous for being trans to the tune of just millions and millions of followers

00:50:53.260 and talking about whether or not it was a sign of a healthy society even respected the person's

00:50:58.200 pronouns during the podcast and death threat after death threat after death threat people

00:51:03.680 were trying to dox me and find my email and all this stuff and it was unbelievable but I just

00:51:09.720 can't imagine being a young person who's not ready to take that on and how scared people are to come

00:51:15.780 out about what they think how would you define political correctness I even struggle with the

00:51:23.200 phrase itself because it implies that something is correct about what you're doing uh political

00:51:28.180 correctness for me is just I think one side of the aisle right now dictating what language is

00:51:34.160 acceptable for use and what language isn't and people choosing to subscribe to that and calling

00:51:41.280 themselves politically correct I think the the phrase inherently has this air of just virtue

00:51:46.400 signal I am politically correct I get to pat myself on the back from for this but really it's

00:51:51.480 just handcuffing the dialogue that we're allowed to have and when you handcuff dialogue like that

00:51:58.000 you are cutting off an avenue to finding out what is true and what is right so political correctness

00:52:03.340 is probably one of the worst things that's happened to political discussions do you have

00:52:09.940 advice for people who are stuck in a an echo chamber that they don't want to be part of

00:52:15.120 if you don't want to be part of it listen to that voice and i imagine something that keeps

00:52:23.980 you in the echo chamber is a fear of stepping outside of it and a fear of how the people who

00:52:30.160 have surrounded you for so long will react to you stepping outside of it but when you do so you will

00:52:34.520 find so much support just for simply simply questioning where you are and I think one of

00:52:41.280 the most fulfilling and relieving things I've ever come to think in my life is that I know absolutely

00:52:48.420 nothing and what I'm talking about and telling people about on a daily in my projects is just

00:52:54.520 what I feel right now and what I think right now and having that be constantly subject to change

00:52:59.860 is going to take your life in so many different directions that you never would have even thought

00:53:04.040 about before when you were in the echo chamber. It's honestly the most freeing experience you

00:53:08.380 can possibly put yourself through, even though it's scary. So I would say step over the fear

00:53:13.020 for a little bit and pursue it and see what happens. I love it. That was great. That was

00:53:19.040 great. So what are your goals for your show? Where do you see it happening? What are you trying to do?

00:53:25.380 I'm trying to create something that even though it's under this PragerU umbrella,

00:53:31.180 which I think people hear the word PragerU

00:53:33.240 and they've automatically come up

00:53:35.640 with what they think is going to be said,

00:53:37.520 that I want to give voice to everybody

00:53:40.020 who comes to the table about these issues.

00:53:43.100 I constantly want to be butting heads

00:53:46.340 with people who disagree with me.

00:53:47.920 And if I'm wrong about something,

00:53:50.000 come there and tell me that I'm wrong

00:53:51.320 because I would love to be proved wrong.

00:53:52.960 I would love to find more truth.

00:53:54.560 I would love to find a perspective that I didn't have.

00:53:57.040 So I hope to make this show something

00:53:59.320 that is not just you know tap dancing for the side that tends to agree with you the most but

00:54:04.440 it's something where people can hop in and have discussions in the chat about how they feel and

00:54:08.940 go back and forth with this intent of finding out what is right and what is the best way to live

00:54:15.060 that is really my goal and I always say you know if all these social issues that I talk about get

00:54:21.000 solved tomorrow I'll take off my hat and put it away the mic goes off and I'm done I'm gonna go

00:54:25.500 back to leading my normal life but as long as they persist i feel like people like you and me

00:54:29.880 have something to bring to the conversation and it's it's always a a good time and it's very

00:54:34.420 fulfilling you're a lovely individual oh thank you thank you so much no this has been fun um if

00:54:42.300 people aren't following you online where can they go to find you you can type in my killer name

00:54:48.560 hamla epinobi i know it's a tough one to to type out but on any platform you'll find me under that

00:54:53.460 name you can also follow and support PragerU because they're the ones who support me and allow

00:54:57.520 me to get my message out there and talk about the things that I talk about with such freedom so

00:55:01.800 that's where you can find me anywhere and everywhere okay we're gonna link those below

00:55:06.040 so people can press on it I get it I get having a difficult to spell name you're you win you win

00:55:12.360 with a difficult to spell name but I don't know Kayla I get the weirdest you must get it I get

00:55:16.980 the weirdest like like it's just like someone just put their fingers on the keyboard it's like that

00:55:22.760 was that's not it but yeah no yours yours might be just with your iteration of Michaela it might

00:55:28.120 be just as rough as mine honestly I must I was thinking about how to spell your name this morning

00:55:33.120 and I was like I don't know exactly how to spell her name it's okay that's pretty funny okay okay

00:55:40.120 Amala thank you very much for coming on and we'll link all your socials below this was fun

00:55:45.080 thank you for having me I really appreciate it it's been great

The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - July 14, 2022

154. Letting Go of Beliefs and Pursuing Truth ｜ Amala Ekpunobi

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