The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - How Billionaires Stay Young and What You Can Do Too ｜ Dr. Adeel Khan EP 178

00:00:00.000 What's being worked on now is 3D bioprinting, where you can use what's called bio-ink, and you can actually print tissue.

00:00:07.040 Definitely by the end of the decade, we'll be able to use 3D bioprinters to regrow organs.

00:00:11.720 So that'll be a really amazing breakthrough, I think.

00:00:14.560 And it sounds like science fiction, but all this stuff is already happening in clinical trials and in animal studies.

00:00:19.260 So it's just like a pretty predictable roadmap to see where it's going to be by 2030.

00:00:30.000 Dr. Adil Khan, welcome to my podcast.

00:00:34.140 Thanks for having me.

00:00:35.220 Before we get started, can you give a brief description about what it is you do and who you are?

00:00:40.160 Yeah. So I'm a regenerative medicine doctor. So what I do is I treat people using stem cells and plasma technology.

00:00:48.420 So instead of trying to get people better through drugs and surgery, we try to repair their tissue back to a natural state or previous state before the injury.

00:00:57.480 um that's my main specialty but now because regenerative medicine as we'll go into has

00:01:02.340 evolved so much um it's not just treating pain and injuries anymore that's what i started

00:01:06.740 traditionally but now it's evolved into so much more and i'm doing like clinical trials

00:01:10.480 in different areas and using uh stem cells for like a broad range of applications okay this is

00:01:16.020 very cool who's your who's your average client do you think or patient well uh it ranges from

00:01:21.600 you know like i've had literally like you know moms who couldn't pick up their kids and were in

00:01:27.040 so much pain and they couldn't function um all the way up to like the richest man in dubai and

00:01:32.800 who built the whole city uh or you know some of the rulers of this of these kingdoms and stuff

00:01:37.740 like that so it really does range and uh the reason is because there are you know billions

00:01:43.860 of people living in chronic pain actually um and and then there's also like a lot of people who are

00:01:48.680 just looking for anti-aging and longevity and so there's such a broad scope of application of what

00:01:52.880 we do um and you know the cool thing is with the obviously with the elite um kind of community and

00:01:59.520 like the elite sports athletes and the billionaires and stuff like that they all want to do this to

00:02:03.300 help them stay younger potentially live longer prevent injuries and all sorts of stuff okay i

00:02:08.020 have so many questions uh i think i think the first question uh like what exactly is a stem cell

00:02:14.040 yeah so i think when people think of stem cells they usually think of like the baby right like

00:02:18.140 like this stem cell thing that comes from a baby and that can maybe help to repair tissue like most

00:02:24.000 people have probably heard of like umbilical cord stem cells where it's like you know after you give

00:02:28.300 birth they can store it or they can freeze it and then yeah so it's like why do they freeze it right

00:02:32.600 what's that what's the point of that um and so obviously even 20 years they started doing it

00:02:37.340 like 20 years ago um there was a reason the reason was because there was this promise that maybe we

00:02:42.320 can use these stem cells one day to help heal tissue um and back then we thought that you can

00:02:46.820 only use your own child's stem cell uh but the whole idea of the stem cell was basically it can

00:02:51.360 help to regenerate or repair damaged tissue um and so the concept of repairing tissue is very exciting

00:02:57.900 because instead of having to cut things out or instead of having to take drugs to uh manage

00:03:03.080 symptoms you can actually repair tissue you can actually repair tissue so it's very exciting and

00:03:07.360 but there was a lot of controversy back in like the mid 2000s and like uh late 90s because there's

00:03:13.240 there was something called embryonic stem cells, which is where they actually make like a fetus.

00:03:17.540 And then so you make it in like a petri, like in a test tube, and then you literally take the stem

00:03:21.180 cells from the embryo and then the embryo basically dies. Right. And so obviously that was very

00:03:26.500 controversial. And so that's why, yeah. And that's why there was so much like heat about it. Like a

00:03:31.180 lot of people in things except they're like, oh, are babies being harmed? Like, are you harming

00:03:33.960 babies? And so it's not like that at all anymore, because obviously that's unethical and no one is

00:03:40.120 using embryonic stem cells. We're primarily using umbilical core stem cells, but there are

00:03:44.760 different types of stem cells. You can even get them from your bone marrow, from your fat.

00:03:51.140 Just so people understand, there's two broad categories. There's adult stem cells, and then

00:03:55.960 there's what's called perinatal stem cells. Perinatal is pretty obvious. It's all the tissue

00:04:01.280 that comes after birth. That's placenta, amniotic fluid, umbilical cord tissue, and umbilical cord

00:04:06.800 blood so there's all these products that usually that used to just get thrown away but now we don't

00:04:11.860 throw them away we actually collect them we manufacture we isolate the stem cells and then

00:04:15.960 we can um you know we literally redistribute and sell them and we inject them and use them for all

00:04:20.560 sorts of things whoa so that comes that's not just the umbilical cord that's the placenta as well

00:04:26.300 yeah so that's actually that's one of our uh best products is it's called purified amniotic fluid

00:04:32.660 um so it's the fluid from that's from the amniac like sac obviously and then you you isolate the

00:04:38.400 exosomes um and the exosomes are like these little messenger cells that decrease inflammation and

00:04:43.860 help with aging uh oxidative stress and all these markers of aging so a lot of people use it just

00:04:49.840 for anti-aging uh tony robbins wrote a book about it and just like he's been promoting it a lot um

00:04:54.860 and he's like he's actually like you know whatever uh people who uses the product and like people

00:04:59.660 like that just they do it every six months just for uh anti-aging and longevity purposes

00:05:06.380 okay and what exactly are they doing yeah so what happens so there's there's seven or eight

00:05:13.420 hallmarks of aging so as we age there's a lot of different reasons why we age i won't go into all

00:05:19.180 them but basically one of the main reasons why we age is stem cell exhaustion so what that means is

00:05:24.860 when you're when you're a child you have about 200 million stem cells per cell and then by the

00:05:30.980 time you're 80 years old you only have like eight you only have like one million stem cells per cell

00:05:35.540 so if you're going from like you're going from like 200 down to like one basically from like

00:05:41.280 from baby to like 80 and so it's called stem cell exhaustion so basically when your body's

00:05:46.440 stores of stem cells get depleted you don't have the same regenerative capacity obviously

00:05:50.740 and your ability to fight infection immune system lots of different stem cells have so many different

00:05:55.820 roles your ability to regenerate and repair tissue dna damage fight off infection fight

00:06:00.280 off cancer all that stuff just decreases because one of the reasons is you don't have as many stem

00:06:04.260 cells um so now we can do what are called intravenous stem cells so they go iv and they

00:06:10.080 go through your whole body and they help to replenish those stem cell stores so that's what

00:06:13.760 all like the oh and so that's what i would say all the wealthy people are doing that basically

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00:07:42.060 from real families okay okay so let's get into that then have there actually been any long-term

00:07:47.640 studies on it prolonging aging there's biomarker no i guess prolonging life you don't want to

00:07:53.100 prolong aging exactly yeah exactly yeah improving quality of life and uh delaying um aging or

00:07:59.040 slowing down aging so um yeah yes basically there's what's called biomarkers uh so you've

00:08:04.520 probably heard of like most people have heard of like telomere length which is like you know one

00:08:07.820 of the biomarkers of aging and then but there's so many other like there's inflammatory markers

00:08:11.820 and there's a lot of other ways you can measure aging and those those markers of aging do decrease

00:08:17.260 and there is a lot of data on that with intravenous stem cells is there long-term data saying hey if

00:08:21.980 you take ivy stem cells you're going to live 20 years longer not yet uh but in in mice there is

00:08:27.100 definitely life extension data with the ivy stem cells and um and that what yeah oh wow i didn't

00:08:33.580 actually know oh i didn't know that that's cool yeah okay yeah because i mean there's so much um

00:08:40.140 you know excitement of in the anti-aging community because of the stem cell research but it's also

00:08:46.300 in combination with other treatments that we're doing um which you know one of the things i i'd

00:08:51.340 like to uh mention is just it's something a bit related but have you heard about like the fecal

00:08:56.300 microbial transplants fmt yeah so i have but but get into it for anyone who hasn't yeah no in mice

00:09:03.820 in mice they actually showed when you take healthy young hoop literally from like a healthy young

00:09:08.620 mice and put it into old mice who are who are on the end stage of their life it can actually extend

00:09:12.940 the lifespan of the old mice so it's pretty cool um so there's actually life extension that's crazy

00:09:17.660 because and if you think about it the stem cells are a similar principle you're replacing the

00:09:21.340 ecosystem right why why does your whole body's health improve when you're just taking someone's

00:09:26.300 poop and putting in your colon right it's like because like what what is that like why it's

00:09:31.340 because the ecosystem that it provides it's a good bacteria the signals it sends and we know that the

00:09:36.060 the gut communicates with almost every organ in your system there's like the gut brain access

00:09:39.740 the gut disc access which means like your back gut joint access like your joints there's gut

00:09:44.460 lung access the point is that there's a gut communicates with your whole body and so if you

00:09:49.360 have a healthy gut it creates a healthy ecosystem and similarly when you replenish these stem cells

00:09:54.280 it's creating a healthy ecosystem that's getting depleted and that's and it's so and it also helps

00:09:58.900 to obviously repair the gut lining reduce inflammation and all that too wow okay do they

00:10:04.660 have sketchy clinics offering stem cells like places that pump you full of things that aren't

00:10:09.900 stem cells but it's like the cheaper price and people are there anytime and the regenerative

00:10:13.760 medicine is uh riddled with uh snake oil salesmen um and unfortunately even if you're a medical

00:10:18.760 doctor it doesn't mean you're necessarily qualified to do the stuff because there's no real like

00:10:24.180 there's no real faculty saying i'm a regenerative medicine doctor you know what i mean it's not like

00:10:29.020 um and so that's a problem there's like very poor regulation because it's a new field

00:10:32.960 um and that's one of the things you know we're working on like i've i've partnered with dr

00:10:36.740 ian white who's a harvard scientist um and you know and he's one of my uh partners because uh

00:10:42.380 because of his experience and like 20 years of experience but i get to learn from him so much

00:10:45.820 uh and and then we're you know we're part of the american college of regenerative medicine and um

00:10:50.960 so you know there are you can look for like but at the end of the day it's really hard for like

00:10:55.300 the average person to know if this is a good stem cell clinic or not um i think the only way to

00:11:00.160 honestly know is like you have to really go by like credibility in terms of like who are the

00:11:04.860 doctors like who are they associated with are they working with the scientists what are their

00:11:08.840 quality control measures like are they measuring like their stem cell profiles like there are

00:11:13.220 certain things you can look into but I feel like the average consumer wouldn't know how to do that

00:11:17.080 like unless obviously they and that's why we're doing this right to educate people yeah yeah I've

00:11:22.480 I heard about because I have people dm me whatever has worked for their autoimmunity constantly and

00:11:28.580 i had one person dm me that who had a five-year-old with very severe arthritis and she's also using

00:11:33.360 diet to treat it but they went to panama and they did stem cell injections they didn't do an infusion

00:11:38.840 but they didn't injections um and said that her flare-ups have lessened so yeah yeah but then

00:11:46.900 panama sounds so like sketchy yeah in panama is unfortunately there's poor regulation there but

00:11:52.020 there is a clinic that's been doing it a while but the problem is it's not that it's the doctors

00:11:55.800 there too right most of doctors there aren't working with scientists and like they're just

00:11:59.020 doing um like they're kind of just made up their own stuff i would say uh and so i would say look

00:12:04.840 into the doctor see if they're affiliated with some sort of institution like and see if they're

00:12:08.980 working with the scientists like i think you have to have a scientist like the the if you don't have

00:12:12.980 a scientist you're like who's um high level like you just can't keep up with the field you know

00:12:17.280 okay i think that that makes sense uh and then are there any downsides or do you just get infusions

00:12:24.560 of pure stem cells yeah and then that's it you just feel better there's like no one has an alert

00:12:29.600 like there's nothing to be allergic to or anything no that's the cool thing so when stem cells like

00:12:34.080 first started people were like oh you have to use like your kid's stem cells or it has to be from

00:12:37.760 your member or whatever uh but now we can because we can isolate what's called the mesenchymal stem

00:12:42.880 cell like so that's like a pure stem cell so there's no what's called hla antigen so there's

00:12:48.400 no chance of having reaction or immune response so you can just i could i could even take your

00:12:52.720 your stem cells and put them into my body and there wouldn't be any reaction uh but the point

00:12:56.680 is it seems like a terrible idea yeah so if you have health issues it's probably not a good idea

00:13:02.680 but but that's why we do a lot of strict uh testing and um just criteria and stuff on who

00:13:08.640 can donate um like with the umbilical cord stem cells for example uh like the products that we

00:13:14.240 use our company um is the doctor in white's company if we we don't um we actually don't

00:13:19.540 accept um if they've been vaccinated right now we still don't accept uh like whoa is there a reason

00:13:26.160 that you don't take from vaccinated people there is some research suggesting that you can trigger

00:13:34.680 what's called a spike protein in the stem cells and that spike protein may trigger sort of immune

00:13:40.200 response in the body and cause inflammation and potentially make things like cause things to get

00:13:45.460 worse. There's some data on it, but it's not, I wouldn't say it's 100% clear. But given that there

00:13:52.240 might be a potential risk, we are only taking, at least our products are just from unvaccinated

00:13:57.720 women and donors. Wow. Okay. And so these donors aren't, there isn't like a camp in China that's

00:14:06.180 consistently keeping people pregnant and stealing their placentas, right, for rich people to infuse?

00:14:10.580 it probably is but who knows but who knows who knows what they do in china but in the u.s though

00:14:17.060 uh no but uh but yes that's that's i mean that is i guess one of the ethical things it's like

00:14:22.640 yeah definitely it's an expensive treatment and um only a very few percentage of the population

00:14:27.280 have access to it right now so that's that's wild okay so how much uh say how often would you need

00:14:34.240 to do one of these infusions to see like how long does this benefit last and then how much does that

00:14:40.080 cost yeah so if you're doing like iv exosomes which are so just so people understand so um stem

00:14:46.500 cells and exosomes are two similar products but they are different so it's important to understand

00:14:50.680 so like if you have like if you have like chicken soup right the the chicken part is like the stem

00:14:55.920 cells like that's a nucleus and it has everything and then the soup which has the nutrients is like

00:15:00.100 the exosomes so it still has all the nutrients in there but there's no cells in there so because

00:15:05.120 there's no cells, it's not going to reprogram your immune system or have any benefits. So the

00:15:10.960 exosomes are something you typically have to do every six months, sometimes maybe every year to

00:15:15.360 get benefits versus stem cells infusions. You can do every two to three years typically for

00:15:21.480 anti-aging and longevity. But if you're doing it for like autoimmune conditions or osteoarthritis

00:15:26.020 or like chronic inflammation, fibromyalgia, stuff like that. I mean, sometimes people like a lot of

00:15:30.060 my patients, we feed it like they only need one treatment and we combine it with peptides and

00:15:34.500 uh and typically they're good to go peptides peptides and stem cells really and then they're

00:15:40.380 good to go so do they this is very interesting i'm gonna have to try this i've tried so many

00:15:45.940 things and if i could get more into my diet i doubt that that can happen that way but who knows

00:15:53.140 um do the stem cells go in let's say for people with autoimmunity and actually

00:15:57.040 start you again like in an unbroken way have you seen that happen they just retrain it it's like

00:16:02.880 something went wrong the first time but here we'll try again so it's how does that work yeah

00:16:07.360 so it's what's called immunomodulatory so it's basically it is reprogramming your immune system

00:16:12.680 over time wow so that's why it has long-lasting benefits it's the immunomodulatory component

00:16:18.840 and so but like we talked about earlier the gut and like you know leaky gut syndrome or intestinal

00:16:25.200 permeability as it's called um that's a component of autoimmunity as well and the stem cells also

00:16:30.040 help to repair the gut lining so that's why it has such a strong immune benefit um and because

00:16:35.920 of the reducing inflammation and the immunomodulatory benefit but and that's why i'm what

00:16:41.360 my autoimmune protocol now is using iv stem cells with with peptides which we can talk about a sec

00:16:47.360 and the fmt together because then you're targeting yeah great system so you're targeting the thymus

00:16:53.380 gland which is important part of your immune system using the peptides and then you're using

00:16:57.380 the iv stem cells to reduce inflammation heal the gut lining and then you're using the fmt

00:17:01.440 to obviously help with the cold gut issues and the immune component from that okay let's do um

00:17:07.600 so with with fmt i've i've tried that i did a lot of research into that and and i went to

00:17:13.800 a good uh i can't remember what the clinic was called it's a good clinic there's one in the uk

00:17:17.900 there used to be one in canada that shut down um during covid and then there was one in the

00:17:24.600 tame out it was called tame out i wanted tame out um and it like didn't work at all and but i mean

00:17:33.100 they tell you reintroduce foods and like you know so that your microbiome has something to eat and

00:17:37.420 i'm just eating meat and so maybe that was part of it but i ended up um getting really i had a

00:17:43.080 c difficile infection and it wasn't like antibiotics weren't happening helping and um i found this

00:17:50.080 protocol online where you double encapsulate the sample and swallow it so that it hits the small

00:17:55.920 intestine and not the colon and that cured my c difficile in one treatment wow and so that was

00:18:04.020 interesting and that was after i went to tame out and it didn't work like because they sent me home

00:18:07.780 with samples too to do myself i don't know if people are anyway it happened i tried it i've

00:18:13.400 tried everything to like reduce sensitivities which is what you do when you're ill um plus i

00:18:18.500 lettuce and things so anyway that fixed it so when you do fmt do you just focus on the colon or

00:18:24.920 do you ever hit the small intestine uh typically yeah we're doing it through a colonoscopy

00:18:29.720 uh but it is interesting to know uh that an option orally exists that can penetrate your

00:18:35.880 small intestine too so yeah really cool yeah yeah i'll um i'll link that study in case anybody's

00:18:41.420 interested and i'll i'll send it to you because it like it worked i could add to the protocol

00:18:46.840 right like i'm always about stacking as many pathways as possible to especially with auto

00:18:51.960 immunity because it's so complex and if you're not gonna and and that's the problem with most

00:18:57.320 conventional medicine it's very reductionistic um they try to take it down to like one thing

00:19:01.160 and be like take this pill because this will solve all your problems but it's not that simple

00:19:05.160 as we know now no no and probably a number of things have to go wrong in order for autoimmunity

00:19:11.080 to happen exactly you might have to tackle things from like like i've tackled things from a diet

00:19:15.320 perspective and that's put me in remission but like i'm stuck it seems like i'm stuck here my

00:19:21.300 assumption was i was going to heal my gut with the diet and then reintroduce things with less

00:19:26.640 of a reaction but i seem to just be stuck on the diet so you might need that immunomodulatory

00:19:31.580 reprogramming yeah what the iv stem cells and the peptides could do so so maybe maybe we'll get you

00:19:37.900 come down to uh los cabos or dubai or somewhere where we can do it for you but definitely wow

00:19:45.180 have a stem cell party okay peptides what uh what what do peptides do and what are their names of

00:19:51.460 or some of their names so i mean the most famous peptide obviously is like insulin like everyone's

00:19:55.960 heard of that so that gives people like an idea oh okay insulin's a peptide um but what okay what

00:20:00.580 is it really right it's it's basically like a baby protein um so what that means is it basically

00:20:05.100 sends a signal to your body to do something so it's very it's a very gentle term but it's

00:20:10.060 essentially a very specific signal so insulin obviously gives a signal to say shuttle in more

00:20:15.180 sugar take it away from the bloodstream and put it into cells so it'll lower your blood sugar

00:20:19.460 right so that's how insulin works it's a very specific peptide has a signal and that's what

00:20:23.940 it does and so but now we have designer peptides meaning you can get you can have different

00:20:28.000 peptides that do different things so i think one of the most famous ones because the tiktok really

00:20:32.540 is a zempic uh the weight loss peptide um it kind of became oh yeah yeah it like basically

00:20:38.480 sold out everywhere in the in the north america because all these uh influencers were promoting

00:20:43.640 it for weight loss and then it's just like but it's but it's a peptide it's a glp1 peptide which

00:20:48.600 is basically a signal in your gut that makes you feel more full and it helps with insulin sensitivity

00:20:52.580 and stuff like that um so there's so peptides are becoming more and more popular because

00:20:57.980 there's a lot of benefits and pretty much like again like minimal risk or almost no downside and

00:21:03.060 so the peptides we use for the immune system we're talking about earlier is the thymus gland

00:21:07.360 And so it's called the thymosin beta 1 and thymosin beta 4. And so TB1 or TB4 as their short name. But basically what they do is they can help with atrophy as the thymos gland, which is what happens as you get older. But obviously that's more in like, I would say 56 year olds who develop autoimmune conditions.

00:21:26.340 and then younger people again it can have that immunomodulatory effect uh on the thymus gland

00:21:31.460 and helping to reprogram that immune system and changing it from like a pro-inflammatory state to

00:21:36.100 more of an anti-inflammatory type of state that's so interesting it's crazy that you could isolate

00:21:40.980 stem cells from like a placenta and umbilical cord like so basically back when you barely existed

00:21:47.940 go back to that state and regenerate yeah kind of well that's that's i mean that that's cool it's

00:21:54.660 It's really cool because it's like, it's like you're literally taking healthy young cells or

00:21:58.580 tissue and you're putting it through your body. And it's like, who doesn't want to feel younger

00:22:03.320 or like look younger or like feel better and stuff. Right. It's like, um, and, and like we

00:22:09.040 said earlier, like there's pretty much no doubt. Oh, okay. So then all those like wackos on the

00:22:16.240 internet that are encapsulating their placentas or like, I don't know what they're doing, eating

00:22:21.000 them or putting them on their face or something and saying that there are massive benefits

00:22:26.040 what do you think about that could that be stem cell related is there anything any truth there

00:22:31.220 uh i mean i wouldn't advise eating your placenta for many reasons but i feel like lots of people

00:22:37.480 do i know i know i didn't do it i was like that is too far but yeah the the problem is it's like

00:22:43.220 there's so much other tissue there and you're not isolating what you need to isolate it's like the

00:22:47.520 same thing with fat stem cells and that's the problem with these in clinics in us they're like

00:22:52.180 they're like we're offering stem cell injections they're not really stem cell injections because

00:22:55.960 they're just taking your fat or your bone marrow they're processing it and they're injecting it

00:22:59.700 back in but it's mixed in with so many other things you have to actually isolate the stem

00:23:03.780 cells and then in a lab you have to manufacture them or expand them and grow them and then you

00:23:08.800 can get the full benefits from it so if you just eat the placenta yes maybe there's some growth

00:23:13.080 factors and some stem cells in there but you're also going to have so much other stuff that you

00:23:16.440 don't really want in your body so there's gonna be uh there's gonna be downsides of that and

00:23:20.860 that's the problem with this whole field in general like i i feel like a lot of people need

00:23:24.000 to understand that nuance that to get a true stem cell or or exosome you do need a manufacturing

00:23:29.620 like lab facility to process that you can't just go to if some clinic is telling you they can do

00:23:34.460 stem cell injections and they're just taking it from your own body those aren't true stem cells

00:23:38.260 those are just like more anti-inflammatory signals that um the technical term is progenitor cell

00:23:43.080 which means it can send signals that reduce inflammation but it's not going to regrow new

00:23:47.360 tissue okay that's all very good to know wow this is crazy um i think you posted something

00:23:55.380 on instagram the other day that said don't do botox do this i know what were you referring to

00:24:00.820 i got 100 messages from women being like please please help me yeah like what is this magical

00:24:05.120 thing yeah uh yeah i mean i look so tired right now because like 12 a.m in dubai but uh but usually

00:24:11.440 I look better than this, but with the stem cell facial, what it does is it helps to regenerate

00:24:20.160 tissue and it helps to reduce inflammation and oxidative stress. So the reason you get wrinkles

00:24:25.220 and you get like those signs of aging on your face are three main reasons, inflammation, oxidative

00:24:31.320 stress, and then impaired ability for collagen synthesis, which means you can't regrow that

00:24:38.280 collagen as much and you don't and then that's why you lose that elasticity and tightness in the

00:24:41.820 skin um and so botox obviously but it's a neurotoxin so basically it paralyzes the muscle

00:24:47.200 so you don't move it uh but what it does over time is it does impair blood flow um so meaning

00:24:52.800 the muscles can become weaker actually and then so you have to basically keep doing it or else

00:24:57.480 eventually you're actually gonna look worse than you did before you did the botox um and that's

00:25:01.200 what and that's what everyone gets in the trap i don't want to hear this like well you do both

00:25:04.960 i don't know if you guess anyway but that's but no no i do i i do i like and i have um at least

00:25:10.760 right here for a while but that's the thing now you're either a lifelong customer or you have to

00:25:15.800 find a different solution um so and that's why allergen the company that makes botox actually

00:25:20.700 approached us because they want us our product our exosome product to get into spas because

00:25:25.580 whoa because it can it can fight those signs of aging um and it's a natural alternative to

00:25:30.520 and instead of just masking it you're actually trying to repair tissue and you're getting to

00:25:33.780 the root cause. So using stem cells and exosomes together for the face can help with actually

00:25:41.080 regenerating tissue as well as reducing signs of aging. And you can combine it like what they do

00:25:46.780 at the Mexico Clinic. So if you end up coming down there, we can do it for you because they

00:25:50.160 combine it with radiofrequency, which is like, it's a Korean technology that helps to tighten

00:25:55.400 the skin. So they use all three, they use, and that helps with collagen synthesis. So it's really

00:25:59.720 cool so they do all they do all three together the stem cells the exosomes and the radio frequency

00:26:04.040 and it's like they're kind of like los cabos uh regenerative medicine like facial package that

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00:27:54.420 that's so cool okay i'm definitely gonna do that i'll try that maybe i'll put it on youtube so

00:27:59.860 people can see yeah that's very interesting okay that's way better i mean any any type of

00:28:05.740 regeneration is better than a toxin well obviously look at breasts like i just i mean now we're

00:28:12.120 talking about cosmetics like i'm in dubai right now and like there's a there's like a cosmetic

00:28:15.800 clinic everybody has a good job and like yeah but but you know what we're doing at our clinic

00:28:20.280 our plastic surgeons now because of breast implants all these studies coming about like

00:28:24.680 you know cancer and breast illness plant illness syndrome and chronic pain and all these issues

00:28:30.040 so a lot of women don't want breast implants anymore and especially the younger generation

00:28:34.040 and so what we offer is we actually offer using fat graft which is your body's own fat with stem

00:28:39.640 cells and that can actually take it can increase your breast size without and it's natural so a

00:28:44.360 lot of women are doing that at our clinic now and it's breast augmentation using regenerative

00:28:48.920 uh treatment so i think that's the way that is things are going to go such a better idea that's

00:28:54.380 such a better idea yeah boob jobs are like from from everything i've read too and like obviously

00:28:59.620 such a bad idea yeah but again like the industry the medical these industries are all the same

00:29:05.940 right same playbooks they get into the doctors they use their information and they get they make

00:29:10.900 billions of dollars and even if they get sued or whatever they're still up you know billions of

00:29:15.400 because they get they made 20 they get sued for five and they're still 15. um so that's that's

00:29:19.860 just a playbook the pharmaceutical companies oh that's terrible a lot of the medical device

00:29:23.140 companies have had for for years yeah yeah yeah that's no good okay so how much do these things

00:29:29.480 cost like how much is one of these infusions or are there different like levels yeah you only get

00:29:33.800 infused a little bit it's less and yeah because exosomes are definitely cheaper they're usually

00:29:37.560 like um like 5 000 us dollars to 10 000 whereas the iv stem cell treatment is usually for like

00:29:44.760 the anti-aging protocol or autoimmune protocol is usually between 20 to 30,000 US. And so obviously,

00:29:51.660 you know, it's not going to be like something that someone has read, like everyone has readily

00:29:55.160 available. But for people like pro athletes and a lot of, you know, the wealthier people who want

00:30:00.740 to bite off aging, for them, it's something they do routinely because there's no downside and

00:30:04.540 there's so much upside. But I do think, but why is it so expensive, right? It's because to isolate

00:30:11.340 the stem cells and to grow them um it's called cell stem cell manufacturing the process is still

00:30:16.120 expensive but it's come down like it used to cost like 50 000 just like five years ago um so it's

00:30:22.180 come down by almost half and so i i always say the analogy is similar to like electric vehicle

00:30:27.000 batteries like it used to cost like 400 per kilowatt per hour to make like a tesla battery

00:30:32.460 and now it costs a hundred dollars so it's gone down down by like four four x over the last 10

00:30:36.440 years and the stem cell manufacturing there's innovation happening in terms of how to manufacture

00:30:40.640 stem cells so it will become cheaper cool and so it's going to go instead of being like 20 000 i

00:30:45.600 can see it in the next five years go down to like 10 000 and then hopefully from their five years

00:30:50.000 then to 5 000 right and then then it becomes yeah that's about to the average person okay okay very

00:30:56.080 cool and then what about one of those anti-aging facials what will that cost you uh yeah that's

00:31:01.200 like two to three thousand i believe yeah so it's not bad considering like um something you don't

00:31:06.240 don't have to do all the time it's usually it results usually last like like several years

00:31:09.840 um and something oh yeah so it's not like one of those things you have to do like because botox

00:31:14.500 most people have to do like every like three to six months right and is it something you have to

00:31:18.320 go like be sedated or anything for or is it just like numbing wow that's wild okay that's cool

00:31:28.740 i'm glad i had you on and know about that yeah but if there's one benefit you got from this

00:31:32.340 this podcast is just it's just about people i want to learn from anyway

00:31:37.580 yeah so this is good oh okay i heard this conspiracy what do you think about this

00:31:42.300 it's a conspiracy theory but i believe it um that when when covid happened um a bunch of

00:31:49.400 leaders in the communist party who are old like in their 90s uh died like in a pretty short period

00:31:55.840 of time and um apparently they were i don't know if this has anything to do with you but

00:32:01.320 they were being kept alive because they were getting organ transplants repeatedly. Have you

00:32:07.360 heard about, like, do you think that that, and I'm not suggesting people do that because that's

00:32:12.240 immoral in many ways, but do you think that would actually work? Is that just a conspiracy theory?

00:32:18.720 Or if you put younger organs into people, would they live longer? I mean, theoretically they

00:32:22.880 would, right? Yeah. But doing organ transplants is like a big undertaking. And if you're in your

00:32:27.120 dangerous and then you have to take immune suppressants right exactly and if you're in

00:32:30.880 80s and 90s it's not what what's much more likely is they were probably getting fecal microbial

00:32:35.920 transplants and ivy stem cells from young babies and uh getting those to help them live longer

00:32:40.160 that's that's a much more probable explanation as to how to live how to prevent from dying like at

00:32:46.480 that age um but you know with what's being worked on now is 3d bioprinting um where you can use

00:32:53.920 what's called bio ink and you can actually print tissue um and so it's not we're not far off like

00:33:00.160 definitely by the end of the decade uh we'll be able to use 3d bioprinters to regrow organs uh so

00:33:05.360 so that'll be a really amazing breakthrough i think and it's it's it sounds like science fiction

00:33:09.440 but all the stuff is already happening in clinical trials and in animal studies um so it's just like

00:33:13.280 a pretty predictable roadmap to see where it's going to be in like the by 2030. i was born too

00:33:18.800 early i did a bunch of i've had my ankle replaced and that surgery is just not good like they're

00:33:24.160 pretty good at knees they're pretty good at hips at least in canada they're not very good when did

00:33:28.320 you get your ankle replaced 2007 and i was 17 so the surgeon was like not super comfortable yeah

00:33:35.300 that's uh yeah that's too bad back then the technology wasn't there yet but now now what

00:33:40.800 we can do if you if you were to have or someone out there has like the same issue and they want

00:33:44.800 to avoid surgery is we can actually use expanded stem cells. So the stem cells that we grow in the

00:33:50.120 lab for three to four weeks, and then you can actually use a 3D bioprinter and you can print

00:33:54.880 a custom scaffold. And then you can see the stem cells with the custom scaffold, and then you

00:33:59.100 resurface the entire joint and you regrow cartilage. That's, that is, that's, I'm like

00:34:05.480 irritated, but that's so good. That's so good. What are you supposed to do? Like, when are they

00:34:10.900 be able to regrow a foot i need a new foot yeah exactly now we can we're not we're there university

00:34:16.740 of washington his name is farshad goliak he's doing an fda approved clinical trial right now

00:34:20.260 using that 3d bioprincher technology uh but we're going to be my company is going to be acquiring

00:34:24.820 that and providing in mexico in two years probably so okay so that's crazy this is wild um why are

00:34:31.300 you guys in you're in dubai now you're in mexico are you guys in america or do you have to travel

00:34:36.100 outside of america for this well yeah america is like a very interesting um environment politically

00:34:42.320 because the fda just to give people an idea um 70 of their uh donations uh come from pharmaceutical

00:34:49.840 companies and so so they inherently have uh lobbyists who want to promote pharmaceuticals and

00:34:56.120 don't want stem cell technology to take off and so they're trying to regulate stem cells like wow

00:35:00.660 like it's a drug and so they're basically making it they're almost actually they're cracking down

00:35:04.300 a lot so anyone doing stem cells has to be really careful in the u.s a lot of them can get malpractice

00:35:09.020 and get in trouble um but there's still a lot of people doing it but there has been a lot of cases

00:35:13.180 recently where doctors even lost their license so to me it's not worth the risk like even though

00:35:17.260 we're going to be opening up a new facility um with the florida panthers in the in the summer

00:35:21.900 and so we will be offering out florida but we'll only be able to offer like the first generation

00:35:25.580 of like stem cells which is what i talked about earlier where we take the fat or the bone marrow

00:35:29.420 so they're not true stem cells they're more just reducing inflammation which can still help but

00:35:33.100 like to be honest like i could most of my patients like they're okay flying over to los cabos or

00:35:37.980 caymans or somewhere and we just do it over there you know so what does the average person do for

00:35:42.940 anti-aging that doesn't have like 20k to drop on infusions every couple years well it's or are they

00:35:49.740 just going to be like old and ugly and it's that's just life is hard yeah it's funny my um people

00:35:56.540 around me have been saying you're going to create like an unethical society with because we're

00:35:59.820 working on gene editing too and so it's like what if what if because you can eventually edit genes

00:36:04.060 to choose selective and you know eventually it's you can basically make offspring that would be

00:36:08.520 superior genetically right um so it's not like these things are all going to happen and there's

00:36:12.940 going to be a lot of ethical things around there it's like are you creating a superior society

00:36:16.120 where people have access to certain technology medical technology that other people don't um and

00:36:20.600 it's going to widen the gap yes it's going to widen the gap that's already so widened um so

00:36:25.120 I don't I don't have a good answer to that but I do say that like the fundamentals are still the

00:36:29.940 fundamentals um so you you know learning how to put on muscle like sleep exercise nutrition

00:36:35.620 stress management and like meditation like those are at the end of the day are still the most

00:36:39.440 important things um and it's like I'm a huge fan of muscle uh because muscle releases something

00:36:45.500 called myokines uh myokines are cytokines so they're like protein messengers that go throughout

00:36:50.820 your whole body um so they go into the brain they fight off alzheimer's dementia they go into the

00:36:55.600 heart to prevent heart disease they help with insulin sensitivity to prevent diabetes um they

00:36:59.820 do what's called increased onco suppressor genes so they prevent cancer um so there's all these

00:37:04.680 cool benefits myokines have um so so i always say like and and this is dr gabrielle lyon who coined

00:37:10.400 the term but like a muscle is like the organ of longevity so muscle is really the key to longevity

00:37:16.440 And if you're not strong and if you don't have that strength, your frailty and chance of dying younger are much higher.

00:37:22.660 So that's actually the best predictor we have right now of longevity is muscle.

00:37:26.840 OK, that's good.

00:37:29.020 There isn't yet like a magical pill or something that only billionaires can afford.

00:37:34.620 This sounds pretty bad.

00:37:35.620 Well, what we're making is we're going to make we're making designer exosomes.

00:37:39.420 So we're going to have a muscle derived exosome and we also have a gene therapy called polystatin.

00:37:45.420 it's actually really cool so um it's it's a company in honduras we're doing a clinical trial

00:37:50.240 right now but um so have you heard of myostatin yeah so yeah myostatin is basically it's it's

00:37:57.000 kind of like this enzyme that blocks how much muscle you can put on so if you have a myostatin

00:38:02.100 deficiency which like some pro bodybuilders do or if you look up on google myostatin deficiency

00:38:06.660 you'll see these humongous cows with so much muscle because they don't have a capacity that's

00:38:10.520 why i know of myostatin it's from the cows yes exactly those muscular cows because they have

00:38:15.260 yeah efficiency so they can put on unlimited muscle so actually this new therapy that it's

00:38:20.820 an injection and it basically inhibits myostatin um for about a year and a half and so it allows

00:38:25.880 you to put on a lot more muscle um so it's really exciting so i'm gonna i'm gonna get

00:38:29.220 done on myself actually um i'm excited to do it but it's gonna be cool what how so does that give

00:38:34.380 you like well that's way better than taking steroids right it's way safer because it's just

00:38:41.300 and it's not in your system forever um and it's all it's doing is sending a signal similar to how

00:38:45.340 peptides do to turn off this uh signal to the enzyme and um it's temporary there's like no

00:38:50.720 documented side effects and um yeah it's a really cool technology so i'm excited to try it on myself

00:38:56.640 but i know they're doing a clinical trial for muscular dystrophy right now um so it's really

00:39:00.820 that's so cool wait does that mean if you had atrophied muscles so that that's that's atrophied

00:39:07.220 muscles right yeah oh my gosh oh i could use that in my leg my like calf we can we can just

00:39:13.700 when you can get lost couples we're just gonna do everything on you you can get the full yeah okay

00:39:17.520 sweet that sounds good yeah that or i or that sounds a lot faster than waiting for someone to

00:39:25.860 regrow a foot yeah so wow that's so cool okay okay um what do you think about red light therapy

00:39:34.260 does any of that like matter slash work yeah no i i actually um like you know i even though i'm

00:39:42.480 into all the like you know basic stuff i still think there's other things you can do on top of

00:39:47.640 the basics to fight off aging and signs of aging and red light therapy is one of the things i use

00:39:51.700 to help with like skin aging and stuff like that like i've never done botox or anything like that

00:39:55.700 and i i mean i don't compare to people in my like i'm in my mid-30s like most people my age have a

00:40:01.400 lot more wrinkles that I've seen and stuff like that. And I think part of the reason is because

00:40:04.440 I use red light, but red light therapy can also help you with sleep. There's actually this cool

00:40:08.620 new intranasal red light therapy you can use at nighttime and helps to go and then intranasally

00:40:14.900 because it helps to relax your brain and helps you to fall asleep and stuff.

00:40:18.660 Wow. That's cool. Okay. I need to look into that too. This has been very informative.

00:40:23.980 wow interesting okay um let's talk about prp a little bit you because you said you work with

00:40:32.740 platelets right yeah so prp is a technology that was developed like almost 30 years ago now

00:40:38.260 um so it was where you know we literally just took your blood we put it in a centrifuge we

00:40:44.180 isolated the plasma and the plasma has something called platelets and so when you centrifuge it

00:40:49.780 it concentrates those platelets and platelets are little messengers basically that send signals

00:40:54.820 your body to help facilitate regeneration so what it was used for the claim to fame for prp was

00:41:00.300 really to help injuries and sports athletes get back to the field faster so it's like you know

00:41:05.740 they tore a hamstring or they injured their calf or something instead of having to wait like four

00:41:09.360 to six weeks with physio and stuff like that you could inject them with prp and they'd be back in

00:41:12.920 like two to three weeks or even less sometimes and so that's what made it really famous and still

00:41:17.520 to date, we use PRP a lot for acute sports injuries. But I do feel like it is an older

00:41:23.280 technology now because as with anything, technology keeps evolving, right? And so PRP was one of those

00:41:29.520 things I use a lot of in the last like five, like, you know, I use so much of it. I used to promote

00:41:33.880 it all the time and I still use it. But now that stem cells and exosome technology is really taking

00:41:38.120 off, it's almost like it's kind of like providing old technology for at least for like chronic

00:41:42.200 medical conditions. You know what I mean? Like if it's like an acute muscle tear, I have a pro

00:41:46.300 athlete like I you know I had an NHL guy just a couple weeks ago he tore his adductor he's a

00:41:49.920 he's a multi-million dollar contract so for him every week makes a difference right so for him

00:41:53.600 like doing PRP makes sense get him back fast as possible right um but for like unless you're like

00:41:59.420 you know you're you have an acute injury um I don't really see the application as much because

00:42:03.960 for chronic tendon issues chronic osteoarthritis it's just stem cells work so much better like

00:42:08.940 they have longer lasting results uh better data behind them and the safety profile is the same

00:42:13.780 like there's no risk with prp or with stem cells okay but it's way cheaper to do prp yeah and

00:42:20.040 there's still some benefit and that's exactly and that's the big i think main reason i do prp now

00:42:24.120 for like some way osteoarthritis is it's just simply because they can't afford stem cells

00:42:27.720 usually that's the usually why yeah okay wow well that covers a lot of what i wanted to talk to you

00:42:36.860 about i mean i've got way more questions here but i mostly wanted to know about stem cells and if

00:42:41.260 there were any downsides because when um when dad had so akathisia and that was being caused because

00:42:46.740 he was on medications that were causing it so there wasn't really any regenerative thing we

00:42:51.400 could do to counteract what was actively happening unfortunately but we were in florida and and now

00:42:58.780 i like and and i was looking up everything i was like nad we should talk about nad of what you

00:43:03.820 think about it anyway i was looking at nad i was looking at exosome therapy i was just like i was

00:43:08.560 looking at hyperbaric oxygen i was like just whatever could work nothing like helped at all

00:43:17.900 until the medications that were causing it were removed like nothing helped at all yeah but um

00:43:23.440 what do you think about nad and hyperbaric oxygen is there anything there yeah no um so our anti-aging

00:43:30.960 protocol that we have in um los cabos we do use hyperbaric oxygen uh with it as well because it

00:43:36.900 has again it's a slightly different mechanism and um oxygenation does have like especially the the

00:43:42.120 guy in israel who likes he started like the abuse clinics and he's like the kind of the pioneer of

00:43:46.340 hyperbaric oxygen um and he has he's the one who published a study showing that it can have

00:43:50.540 longevity benefits but also help with like um cognitive impairment so it can help with brain

00:43:55.680 regeneration and in my experience it works synergistically with the stem cells because

00:43:59.700 it just is promoting an environment that's going to help your body to recover and heal

00:44:03.400 so I'm a fan of it with other treatments like as a standalone I don't think it's usually

00:44:08.500 enough for most things but as an adjunct to other things I think it can be helpful

00:44:13.220 and the same thing with NAD like I think NAD it depends what you're trying to use it for if

00:44:19.220 you're just trying to use it for like more energy and stuff I think for that it can be great just

00:44:23.220 so people a lot of people might not know what NAD is it's kind of like this molecule that

00:44:27.720 it's in your mitochondria which is like the powerhouse to go back to like high school

00:44:33.240 science. And so basically what happens is that it just helps to replenish those stores in the

00:44:38.140 mitochondria and helps with a process called oxidative phosphorylation, which is like the

00:44:42.180 process that helps to produce more energy. And so it makes you, makes energy more available to your

00:44:46.780 body. And so when you replenish any, when you get older, your NAD stores deplete. And so it's just

00:44:51.940 helping to replenish those. And so you have to, typically you have to do NAD IV drips fairly

00:44:57.860 like consistently to see the benefits um at least that's what i've seen clinically and um but there

00:45:03.640 are these new cool options too like some people are using nad um like patches nad suppositories

00:45:09.180 um so they can use them on the go and like in different situations so i think it's becoming

00:45:12.660 more accessible in that situation did they like so um when when dad was sick anything that like

00:45:20.080 i tested i tested on myself first to make sure it wasn't going to do something weird and nad i was

00:45:25.320 like that could do something weird um is it always just awful like whenever i've had nad

00:45:32.020 infusions now in three different three different people and they're like this big bag and you're

00:45:35.920 hooked to an iv and it's like a five to seven hour thing unless you can like tolerate it better

00:45:39.880 and it makes me like it's like being hooked to like a battery it's i'm like not a little nauseous

00:45:46.200 like a battery and just like yeah my arms are heavy and it like hurts and then i had to get

00:45:52.020 up and use the bathroom and i and i'm kind of like you know out of it because of the the infusion

00:45:57.780 and i turned it up instead of turning it down to like yeah and then it was just like i'm about to

00:46:04.080 die anyway i got it back down is it always like you're being hooked to a battery or am i like a

00:46:12.080 wimp no no you're not it's just there's um individual like response uh like some people

00:46:17.840 like when i had it i literally felt nothing but lender i have a lot of patients that describe it

00:46:22.040 just like yeah exactly like you do and so um i think that sense that's that's probably other

00:46:26.560 things going on and that's why you have to like and that's why you have to really get to the root

00:46:30.700 cause why is your body reacting that way right and so you're obviously things going on in your body

00:46:35.000 um underlying maybe like um you know in terms of like immune dysfunction and whatnot that are

00:46:40.440 probably increasing your risk of having that type of response to it oh okay okay that's interesting

00:46:47.820 yes anyway i did it a bunch of times like um there's different concoctions you can combine

00:46:54.360 with nad to help like mitigate those things so um so maybe if we like if you ever want to do it

00:47:00.540 i mean we can try a different protocol but i don't know if it sounds like you've had some

00:47:04.480 bad experiences with it so it's probably not worth it i feel like these i feel like the ivy stem cells

00:47:08.860 would give you enough of energy benefit um because it does give you more energy too um and people

00:47:14.040 feel like like i literally had one nhl player he was 35 years old he was thinking about retiring

00:47:19.400 and uh about six months after he had the ib treatment done he said he felt like he was 25

00:47:24.000 again and he's gonna keep playing so it's pretty like that's crazy a dramatic example but it's

00:47:29.920 like amazing like clinic like anecdotally just to see that is amazing that's so cool definitely

00:47:36.760 gonna get my dad on this and my mom after like cancer and everything yeah exactly that's very

00:47:41.940 yeah and yeah cool thing about cancer i was just gonna say is that um the micro environment that

00:47:49.380 allows cancer to happen if you think about it it's the same underlying mechanisms right it's

00:47:53.360 chronic inflammation is like the number one reason um and so if you and the iv stem cells

00:47:58.040 are going to create a micro environment they're going to reduce inflammation and help to fight

00:48:01.240 that off wow that's cool yeah yeah okay okay i never actually thought i i just assumed my like

00:48:11.320 response to nad was because nad is horrible it's like i can't imagine like a patch or suppository

00:48:17.340 and just yeah you definitely have some sort of immune dysfunction which is why i think because

00:48:21.480 you have the sensitivity to it like some stuff too right and so so i think that's just a few

00:48:27.380 things just a few things yeah so there's definitely some immune dysfunction component that's why

00:48:32.080 um i'm excited to do some treatments for you for the peptides instead okay because they'll

00:48:35.960 reprogram your immune system basically. Wow. I don't know. You're talking a big talk here. We'll

00:48:42.100 see. I've only done it once or twice. So how long have you been in regenerative medicine and why

00:48:52.240 did you decide, well, regenerative medicine is like the coolest thing you could be doing as a

00:48:57.040 doctor. So that's probably why you decided to go into it. But yeah, what's the backstory a little

00:49:02.020 No, honestly, like I think I think most people like I mean, your dad's a clinical psychologist.

00:49:06.080 Like, why do we become doctors? It's usually because it's pretty simple.

00:49:08.980 It's like we want to help people. But like there's so much almost like disbelief at the conventional medical system for me.

00:49:17.140 I was I was just kind of like a lot of patients weren't getting better.

00:49:20.760 I was like, why are these patients like suffering? Like there has to be a better way.

00:49:23.900 And so I just I started studying functional medicine. I started studying regenerative medicine and I just got so.

00:49:28.040 and like when i was in med school like i was reading textbooks on like integrated medicine

00:49:33.120 functional medicine like regen stuff and like well on top of everything else and so that way i kind of

00:49:39.160 understood both perspectives but obviously i saw a gap because like i'm like why isn't this stuff

00:49:43.140 being applied clinically um and then so that's how i got yeah through the whole regen stuff because

00:49:48.060 it was really just to help more people and like it's been like super rewarding to help millions

00:49:52.100 of people i don't know millions of people yet but with our technology we'll help millions of people

00:49:55.740 because now we have some proprietary stem cell tech.

00:49:58.180 But it's been really rewarding to help a lot of people around the world.

00:50:01.160 So not just, you know, like the kings and rulers over here,

00:50:04.820 but all over, but just like the regular people too.

00:50:08.980 That's so cool.

00:50:11.100 Okay.

00:50:12.680 What's your thoughts on, so implementable things that people can do

00:50:16.280 that aren't these expensive infusions?

00:50:17.860 You said muscle.

00:50:21.300 Muscle, maybe light therapy can help a little bit.

00:50:24.520 um what else is there can well what what can the regular person do like find find find a proper

00:50:31.540 nutrition like protocol for your body like yeah people there's so much bad information about

00:50:36.820 nutrition and like i can i can go i could probably talk like two hours just about nutrition and how

00:50:41.940 to but like there's like two overarching themes i can give people uh one is using a continuous

00:50:48.400 glucose monitor to identify how your body responds to different foods um because like i could eat a

00:50:54.140 banana and you could eat a banana and we could have two completely different responses. And that

00:50:57.800 can tell you, because if my blood sugar is going up crazy and yours is stable, then obviously I

00:51:02.460 shouldn't be eating bananas because that high glucose is going to trigger more insulin, which

00:51:05.280 is going to trigger inflammation, which is going to cause issues. So that's one thing. And then the

00:51:09.880 other thing is using blood work and laboratory markers. And there are so many different inflammatory

00:51:14.040 markers you can do to figure out like, how is your body responding to different nutritional programs?

00:51:19.660 like there's something called snips single nucleotide polymorphisms um so what that means

00:51:25.720 there's snips and even like the ldl cholesterol so if i eat a hot fat if i eat a high fat diet

00:51:31.560 it could cause me no issues um and my cholesterol stays good my ldl cholesterol stays good the

00:51:36.300 oxidative stress inflammation all stays good but someone like you or you know does it you eat a

00:51:41.640 high fat diet and your cholesterol goes through the roof and you have all this inflammation going

00:51:45.300 your body so those are called snips so there's a lot of individualization to this stuff and um the

00:51:50.980 best test out there is at least i've seen this called dna code um it's developed by like um one

00:51:57.220 of the smartest geneticists in the world and he uses functional genomics to identify what type

00:52:01.780 of nutrition and uh program you should make for your body oh maybe i'll do that yeah and be like

00:52:08.180 vegan yeah just i think gashiv khan is the fan he's yeah he's a smart guy he was just he's all

00:52:13.940 over the world speaking and stuff it's a really cool technology cool okay wow very interesting

00:52:22.100 well what else do i have on here are there any other tricks that we haven't delved into because

00:52:28.040 i brought up nad and hyperbaric and you said you guys kind of like poke around in there too

00:52:33.060 but like what else do you do uh i think the big the i think the big um there's no big secret i

00:52:41.140 mean if ivy stem cells i think are the big secret and we've revealed that obviously and how people

00:52:45.320 can get access to that stuff but like i think the big thing a lot of people forget about really is

00:52:50.540 like um you know meditation like meaning and purpose that type of stuff because like if you're

00:52:55.740 not like that stuff is so important it doesn't matter how much you invest into all this other

00:52:59.540 stuff but if you don't have like a good reason as to like why you're like why you're living what

00:53:03.840 what's your big bigger purpose um and you don't have that like relaxation response when you

00:53:07.980 meditate um you're never gonna truly like be optimizing your health and uh you know you can

00:53:13.680 throw as many tricks and stuff as you want but that's like the base of the pyramid in my opinion

00:53:17.000 and uh there's a lot of like tricksters out there who are gonna tell you to like buy this program

00:53:21.400 sell this and do that but you should focus on the fundamentals first and then worry about the

00:53:26.360 you know superfluous stuff after um but yeah i think that's like i i can't over emphasize like

00:53:32.140 the importance of meditation like they're just so like i'm sure everyone already knows but it's

00:53:36.260 something to reiterate like having like a routine of mindfulness that's like you practice regularly

00:53:41.380 um that's so important yeah i've fallen away a little bit from that i was really into it like

00:53:46.640 when all my symptoms went away and everything and 2018 i was like whoa okay i'm gonna do everything

00:53:52.820 and i like everything was dialed and then when mom and dad got sick it was like survival mode

00:53:58.500 for two and a half years so it's like yeah i'm not like i'm not even going even though meditation

00:54:04.240 would benefit me now it was like if all you're thinking about are scary things it was like i'm

00:54:08.860 not meditating my sleep schedule got out of whack everything got out of whack things are a lot better

00:54:12.620 now like things are great now yeah but like i'm like i've gotten to the point in work that i

00:54:18.520 haven't been prioritizing i mean i will it'll probably take me another month because i've

00:54:22.960 been talking about it and then i'll just do it but i have to go back to meditating there's this

00:54:26.780 one video on youtube it's a 10 it's a 10 minute guided one by this like um indian guru guy or

00:54:32.640 someone and he's just like it's like the most relaxing thing i've ever found and but it's like

00:54:37.040 so and it's just the way he does it and he always talks about how the spine is the center um because

00:54:42.720 like in different cultures like there's like chakra there's chi like in different like you know

00:54:46.720 china japan and india there's like they all talk about this the spine being the center and he just

00:54:52.000 it's a really cool guided meditation so but that's okay that's yeah send that well what do you think

00:54:59.040 about um saunas and cold plunges and breathing techniques yeah so like saunas definitely have

00:55:06.960 like because of especially out of finland there's like a lot of data from um there in terms of like

00:55:12.000 health benefits um and a cold punch like i'm i'm still like a little bit skeptical about because

00:55:18.400 i don't know if it really has real health benefits as opposed to more just like maybe mental health

00:55:23.040 benefits like just like telling your body like i'm gonna do this now and i don't care how you just

00:55:28.480 just like and just like get your sympathetic nervous system going and like kind of telling

00:55:32.000 your body when you need to go you go type of thing you know what I mean um and being able to

00:55:36.180 control your body's response in that sense I think has some potential benefits um but from like

00:55:41.300 actually like reducing inflammation in terms of long-term data or anything like that like I don't

00:55:45.380 think there's I don't I haven't seen much on it um and um yeah so I think for like cold plunges and

00:55:52.620 sauna like I if I if I if you could like if everyone could have access to sauna it is a

00:55:58.020 great thing to have in your house or have on a daily basis because there's again there's a lot

00:56:02.540 of upside and a little downside so i i like i'm definitely a fan of that i like cold plunges more

00:56:08.460 than i thought i would there's this there's this like weird little place in dubai that one of my

00:56:13.760 friends brought me to and it was like i showed up on the street and it's in the backyard and you have

00:56:17.260 to go through this sketchy gate and there were just like tubs almost like garbage like tubs full

00:56:24.120 of ice and i was like this is this seems like a bad idea but they had like saunas set up and an

00:56:29.580 area for wim hof breathing and um cold plunges and i think after wim hof breathing after sonning

00:56:36.900 and wim hof breathing maybe it's because you're on the verge of passing out i don't know but i

00:56:41.980 that like constant narrative voice in my head just wasn't there i remember like looking at the sky

00:56:47.040 and being and the first thought was like oh that's like some people don't have an internal dialogue

00:56:52.640 and i was like that is so much better like i could hear without thinking about hearing

00:56:59.080 was super strange so that happened after wim hof breathing and i feel like the same thing happens

00:57:03.840 with um sitting in an ice bath which is just like if you control your breathing and sit in there

00:57:09.820 then it's just like no internal dialogue but it's great that's how i felt about it anyway

00:57:14.920 no and i think that that's exactly what you said is the key is like using the breathing component

00:57:19.660 to get the maximum benefits out of the cold treatments and like oh for sure like Patrick

00:57:25.300 McEwen have you heard of he's like the he's like the guy who wrote a book about breathing and like

00:57:30.060 that's by far the best resource about breathing and like how to breathe and why breathing is so

00:57:34.280 important and everything but like yeah Brett like breathing is like one of those things that should

00:57:38.800 be taught to like preschoolers like it's so fundamental and it's just silly that it's not

00:57:43.480 in our education system at this point like you people don't know how to breathe like it's just

00:57:46.920 it's just it's kind of funny but also sad at the same time my mom came into my grade two class

00:57:52.440 as just like a guest speaker and tried to teach uh she did hatha yoga for a long time but she

00:57:58.420 tried to teach a bunch of us how to breathe i just remember i was so embarrassed she was like

00:58:03.300 she was making a thing of it but she was trying to teach people like instead of breathing up into

00:58:07.500 your shoulders sort of like breathe breathe out that's what she was teaching yeah i was just like

00:58:11.820 that's so fundamental like yeah well back then it was like and i mean there was not much concept

00:58:16.600 of this whole um no on this stuff but like now it's like they're trying to incorporate it but

00:58:21.800 it should be literally like a curriculum that they're taught so um that and like you know just

00:58:27.460 like good idea i always think about like the lack of how ill-prepared people are to manage their

00:58:33.020 health after going through 12 years of school or whatever 16 years of school whatever uh it depends

00:58:38.340 how much school you do i did like 20 years of schools just but it's uh yeah basically the point

00:58:42.980 is like there should be it should be built into our system about like how to educate people to

00:58:47.140 empower them on health right like how to how to move properly how to breathe properly how to eat

00:58:52.200 properly like these are just like it's just right like empower people to be like take care of their

00:58:58.180 own health instead of like relying on a system that's just broken like i mean if you're from

00:59:02.140 you're from canada originally so you know how bad our system is in ontario right now right like

00:59:05.580 it's really bad so it's right right now yeah it's getting worse like the emergency wait times like

00:59:12.860 access to care everything is just like broken like it's just yeah it's yeah it's angering i was

00:59:19.280 there um i didn't go back so i moved like a year and a half ago and i didn't go back for a long

00:59:23.240 time um especially there's a travel ban kind of on and um anyway i went back in october and scarlet

00:59:31.140 got a wicked cough and so i was trying to search for some cough medicine and there's this company

00:59:36.760 um genexa that i really like for kids yeah so if people need like kids and i they might do stuff

00:59:44.540 for adults too but their ingredients they just have like acetaminophen some like agave nectar

00:59:49.880 to make it sweet there's like no dyes and sketchy things so anyway good luck finding that in canada

00:59:56.200 but she was really sick she wasn't gonna sleep states yeah so so that was out so i was just

01:00:01.960 trying to find cough medicine because she wasn't going to sleep all night um and everywhere was

01:00:06.820 out of cough medicine like everywhere in toronto didn't have cough medicine yeah we're i was like

01:00:12.700 communist shelves yeah i've seen her health care system uh basically go from like top tier to uh

01:00:20.600 third world country in the span of a couple years it's kind of it's very sad uh i do have a meeting

01:00:25.320 with doug ford um who's our premier i had i had a call with him before i left and i have another

01:00:29.220 I'm meeting him again. When I go back, I'm not sure if I can push the envelope. I'm not really

01:00:33.560 interested in politics, but at least I have his ear in the Ministry of Health to at least

01:00:37.840 give them some guidance on how to fix their system. And from a high level, I think it's just

01:00:43.080 there's so much. But I think from a high level, it's just you have to restructure the way

01:00:47.360 physicians are incentivized. Like right now, it's just a it's a reactive system. You don't get paid

01:00:51.620 unless people are sick and you don't get paid unless you see a lot of people. So unless you

01:00:55.240 change that whole fundamental system it's never really you know change well that's that's great

01:01:02.140 good luck with that yeah exactly exactly i'm not hopeful i'm not hopeful that that would be great

01:01:08.420 i know but you know in parts of china they actually incent they actually pay you they give you bonuses

01:01:13.480 if your patients don't go to the hospital or if your patients don't get sick like there's actually

01:01:17.820 parts of china like that so it's like you know it's oh i don't know that you don't it's not you

01:01:22.100 to reinvent the wheel like there are people already doing it it's just obviously like it's

01:01:26.260 the system was designed um by people who wanted to support basically surgery and pharmaceuticals

01:01:33.060 not preventative care right so wow i didn't know that about china that's cool yeah you should be

01:01:38.900 paid like a bonus if you get your patient better exactly that should be the bonus yeah or if they

01:01:44.100 stay at hospital or if they don't get cancer or if they they don't get heart like there's so many

01:01:47.460 different metrics you could have like outcomes to like incentivize family doctors to keep their

01:01:51.620 patient's healthy you know but there's no there's literally zero so why is a why is a family doctor

01:01:56.920 going to spend an extra 10 20 30 minutes with you they'd rather just get in and get out right

01:02:01.180 and that's the only way they can make money yeah okay um what are the worst things you can do for

01:02:07.540 yourself to increase how fast you age uh stress is probably the most common that people don't

01:02:13.440 realize perfect it's less like over like especially in our modern environment and everything um and

01:02:19.820 then sleep is another big one it's not just about quantity right we know it's the quality as well

01:02:26.160 and there's so many different ways you can track that now but I think that's if you're not getting

01:02:32.020 enough sleep and you're stressed your body's just going to age so much faster and you can see it on

01:02:36.140 people's faces and all that stuff too they just they just age right and I think glycation is

01:02:43.380 another big one which is where those like glucose or sugar molecules attach to like the red blood

01:02:49.060 cells um so eating refined high sugar processed diets are gonna aid you really fast too uh and

01:02:56.120 like it's very basic stuff but like a lot of people still don't understand because there's

01:03:01.880 so much bad information out there and there's still so much industry that promotes sugar in

01:03:06.580 like subverts way subverts way like where people don't really understand that this has sugar in it

01:03:10.920 um like most people obviously know like about common things but a lot of people don't realize

01:03:15.980 how what a simple carbohydrate is and how your body processes that and all that stuff right so

01:03:21.140 um but glycation is a huge thing because it just ages your body internally um and like i yeah i

01:03:28.060 process foods and the whole food industry it's i always say it's funny like the food industry and

01:03:32.760 the so the three industries that all have the same playbook are the tobacco industry the

01:03:37.360 pharmaceutical industry and the food industry they've all done the same things over the last

01:03:41.360 60 years so the tobacco industry did it first right in the 60s they got doctors their doctors

01:03:45.680 used to smoke they used to say it's good for you and then 20 years later they're like oh wait we're

01:03:49.680 wrong about that and then pharmaceuticals i'm really wrong and then the sugar the sugar and

01:03:53.720 food industry have done the same thing so you always get doctors to buy in promote it and then

01:03:57.060 afterwards they're like oh wait like and you know it's just it's it's funny if you just study the

01:04:01.340 history a little bit you see that they all do the same tactics yeah it's a crazy tactic too

01:04:05.800 like oh we were wrong sorry a bunch of you died yeah yeah exactly yeah but it's yeah and that's

01:04:11.680 worried like as a doctor like our job is to be able to like you should be able to like discern

01:04:16.360 like what's you know really the truth but for some reason like a lot i guess a lot of doctors

01:04:21.740 just stop caring but i don't know or they're worried um because of their colleges i mean

01:04:27.100 dad's college is going after him right now are you aren't you concerned i mean you're you're in

01:04:31.740 dubai and you said you're in mexico but you're not concerned about being too cutting edge and

01:04:37.100 losing your license or having your college at least investigate you yeah I mean it's it happened

01:04:44.400 during COVID because I was making I wasn't making anti I never made an anti-vax post but I was just

01:04:48.760 making posts about like how we should be more nuanced about the vaccine because there is it's

01:04:55.000 like any other prescription like it doesn't necessarily have to be for everyone at any age

01:04:59.380 like maybe someone who's 18 and healthy doesn't necessarily need the vaccine like maybe the risk

01:05:03.460 outweigh the benefits um and like i got a call from the college about that and i was like okay

01:05:08.120 this is very interesting uh so uh it's yeah it's crazy like and then so obviously i had to stop

01:05:13.620 talking about it um and yeah for sure with the regen stuff i think there could be some issues

01:05:19.500 potentially because it is very cutting edge and you are taking away care i mean you are taking

01:05:24.220 away business from big hospitals and um there's going to be pushback and there's already a lot

01:05:28.800 of push especially because i'm i'm relatively high profile now and i'm treating and traveling

01:05:32.620 around the world and treating a lot of high profile people and there's just gonna be more

01:05:35.740 eyes on you but I think I'm doing it with good science and I'm working it's not like I'm working

01:05:39.980 like I'm working with big institute I'm working with like a Harvard scientist and the University

01:05:43.240 of Toronto scientist I'm working with scientists from Italy and Dubai like it's not like I'm

01:05:46.820 working with like some random you know like I have good institutions backing me and I think

01:05:51.140 the institutional stuff really adds a layer of credibility that the college wouldn't be able to

01:05:54.600 come after me um and that's why I I believe like I'm I'm actually in good science and I have good

01:06:00.360 names to back me up so i'm not overly worried and to be honest like my move is going to be

01:06:04.760 based out of florida anyway over the next six months and like sweet miami yeah miami yeah

01:06:11.060 so i'll be there um because canada's just like the innovation is so slow and there's just not

01:06:15.800 nearly as much opportunity for business um so i'm just like you know i gotta and and dubai is the

01:06:21.500 same thing right there's so much innovation going on here and i've had like i've literally had more

01:06:25.120 business opportunities here because i have a few companies and like in the last two weeks and i

01:06:28.460 did in like two years in canada so it's just like there's just so much more going on yeah dubai was

01:06:33.940 weird um when i so i spent two months i think in dubai in 2021 and the opportunities are crazy

01:06:42.780 like anybody everybody there's an entrepreneur basically yeah that have just congregated there

01:06:47.920 so you're like you want to start a business yeah sure it's like what then you don't have those

01:06:53.140 conversations i mean miami's pretty entrepreneurial miami's weird though it's kind of like caribbean

01:06:57.900 slash entrepreneurial um but canada it was hard to find other people like a lot of people who were

01:07:04.140 who felt like that and just moved exactly there's a brain dump right and like a lot of the smart

01:07:10.080 people i know are just leaving um and it's just it's unfortunate because you're canadian as well

01:07:15.540 right and so you obviously want to see your country do well but it's uh it's sad to see it

01:07:19.780 go the other way and unless the loss change is going to keep happening like um like one of our

01:07:25.000 like our new company our region company that we have our proprietary stem so like we're gonna

01:07:29.040 probably situate our headquarters in like austin or something you know i mean like we're there's

01:07:32.840 just so much going on in austin there's just so much like there's so many like intelligent people

01:07:36.720 and entrepreneurs and stuff um and but a lot of them are from canada just leaving going to places

01:07:41.780 like austin yeah it's too bad i'm annoyed i really like toronto and i think it's just going to get

01:07:47.960 like worse yeah way worse yeah like that's what it looks like so it's the government right bad

01:07:54.000 government and bad regulators and um they're yeah i don't know if it's like i always wonder i'm like

01:08:00.540 are they are they evil or are they stupid like it's it's hard to know well justin trudeau might

01:08:06.520 be evil and stupid but he's definitely not that bright yeah like he he's not otherwise he like

01:08:13.120 would have been doing something bright before he got into politics right yeah exactly so and

01:08:19.100 a duck for it is in duck for it so okay yeah oh well we'll see at least yeah yeah sucks um okay

01:08:29.940 where can people find you online if they want to learn more yeah my i'm very active on instagram

01:08:35.060 it's at dr.akon k-h-a-n so dr akon and uh i try my best to check my dms i get a ridiculous amount

01:08:43.920 But I do believe in it because I have been, just because I check my DM, because I check them pretty regularly, I've been able to change some people's lives.

01:08:54.900 And if I didn't check my DM, they would have never got better.

01:08:57.820 So I do take it seriously from that perspective, as much as it's hard to keep up sometimes.

01:09:02.380 So don't, and now with the scope of stem cells expanding, there might be hope for people who otherwise have lost hope.

01:09:08.340 um so hopefully it'd be like and like yes cost can be an issue obviously sometimes but um we've

01:09:14.120 also we we're starting a program for people like like hardship pricing and like you know be able

01:09:18.980 to do treatments for free and stuff like that if you're on disability like we're trying to our

01:09:22.100 best to help as many people as we can because i think that at the end of the day is like uh my

01:09:26.180 mission at least yeah yeah no that's really nice and i mean when things are new they're expensive

01:09:31.120 when they're new and rare they're expensive so it's understandable that it's gonna cost

01:09:36.360 a lot now and that it'll get cheaper and that's just kind of how things work yeah unfortunately

01:09:41.040 it takes time it's a great uh business opportunity and that's why we're in the

01:09:45.020 in the space now for manufacturing yeah yeah cool okay well i'll link your social media handle

01:09:53.540 and a couple of things we talked about below in the show notes but thank you very much for

01:09:58.340 coming on that was very interesting yeah no i'll see you in mexico

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