The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - How to Handle a Dominant Woman, Couples That Work Together ｜ Lauryn and Michael Bosstick EP 210

00:00:00.000 We have a show together called The Him and Her Show,

00:00:02.120 where it's definitely both of our perspectives

00:00:03.680 on all different kinds of things.

00:00:05.080 It's kind of a buffet, if you will.

00:00:07.600 And I'll just say this about men.

00:00:08.860 Some men struggle with really successful women.

00:00:11.560 From an entrepreneurial standpoint in a marriage,

00:00:13.800 it is important for you each to sort of have your own area.

00:00:18.460 The people that went full wacko COVID vaccine jab,

00:00:21.480 they're still doing it.

00:00:22.340 I have no interest in trying to convince them

00:00:23.860 why they're wrong.

00:00:24.340 I'm not a big believer in wasting breath and time.

00:00:27.700 I'm going to remind you of that next time you disagree with me.

00:00:30.420 I'm going to say you're wasting breath and time. 0.99

00:00:32.820 If Lauren ever starts to get like to the point where she's being too masculine, 1.00

00:00:36.040 I'll be like, hey, put your fucking balls away. 1.00

00:00:37.520 You're acting like a little bitch because you ate too much soy. 1.00

00:00:39.840 I'm like, wipe the sand out of your vagina. 1.00

00:00:41.740 Chill on the soy milk. 1.00

00:00:43.100 He's like more bigger picture.

00:00:44.860 And I feel like I love the detail.

00:00:46.780 That's awesome.

00:00:47.440 How are, like, how are you guys?

00:00:53.740 Lauren and Michael, welcome to my podcast.

00:00:55.820 Thanks for having us.

00:00:56.740 Thanks for having me.

00:00:57.620 Yeah, thank you for letting me use your studio.

00:01:00.100 This is very convenient.

00:01:01.180 Well, yeah, I mean, I would like to say

00:01:03.500 we were much more gracious,

00:01:05.220 but we're much too lazy to leave this place.

00:01:07.160 We're just staying here. 0.94

00:01:07.960 No, I'm used to seeing you against black.

00:01:10.320 Yeah, I actually usually get people to come to my house

00:01:13.540 and then I record on their podcast in my house too.

00:01:15.860 So I get it.

00:01:16.820 That's nice between cold plunges.

00:01:18.600 We kind of have home field advantage now though.

00:01:20.720 Hopefully it doesn't throw you.

00:01:22.480 No, no, no, no, this is good.

00:01:23.660 I needed a change of scenery.

00:01:24.800 so so before uh before we get into everything like who you who are you guys and what is it

00:01:30.980 that you both do because I know you both do similar things but also different things

00:01:35.080 I how would we describe what we both do I think what I would say

00:01:39.460 is I am primarily the skinny confidential which is a product line and we also have a show together

00:01:46.860 called the him and her show where it's definitely both of our perspectives on all different kinds

00:01:50.860 of things. It's kind of a buffet, if you will. And then Michael runs his own company, which we're

00:01:56.360 sitting in. Well, I used to really struggle with this question. Funny enough, people say like,

00:02:00.080 who are you and what do you do? And I think as an entrepreneur, now I just describe myself as

00:02:04.260 an entrepreneur. It's like you kind of try to put it in these terms where people are like, okay,

00:02:08.560 I understand exactly what that is. But high level, I'm an entrepreneur. I've run different

00:02:13.420 kinds of businesses and manufacturing and commerce and media all throughout my career,

00:02:17.600 real estate. But now primarily what I do is I'm the CEO and founder of a company called Dear Media.

00:02:21.960 And we produce primarily shows, podcasts, like the one Lauren and I do. And then I host a show

00:02:26.700 with Lauren. How do you choose who Dear Media kind of collaborates with and help those people grow?

00:02:33.740 I screenshot him. Who needs?

00:02:37.400 And the truth comes out. This person. I'll give you like kind of the origin story. So again,

00:02:41.780 like I was in advertising before and Lauren and I started a show together, which we still host

00:02:48.180 today, which you were just on. And we basically felt that a lot of the people servicing those

00:02:53.060 shows had very little understanding of the entire digital space, right? It was like very narrow

00:02:57.480 focus on just podcasts and a lot of former radio executives that were doing basically radio

00:03:02.280 advertising. And I remember we joined a company and I just thought like, wow, they're missing so

00:03:07.520 many opportunities here. But from my advertising perspective, I was like, why is there not a place

00:03:12.420 that reaches a very concentrated at scale lucrative demo, which in Dear Media's case is like Gen Z

00:03:17.720 millennial females, so that not only the audience could come and say, okay, there's like-minded

00:03:24.000 content across a different range and scope of shows. But at the same time, the advertisers

00:03:29.240 from a monetizing perspective could come and say, okay, I don't want to cherry pick one show here

00:03:33.980 and one show there. It's like, I can just go and say, I'm going to deploy my entire female ad 1.00

00:03:38.960 budget here. And then, you know, from there you were able to leverage into other opportunities. 0.98

00:03:42.800 So that's like kind of how we decide now. We just look at it from a, are they aligned? Is it some,

00:03:47.480 is it some type of content we're missing? Is it something the audience is looking for? You know,

00:03:51.520 and we go from there. I also think the pendulum swinging towards podcast being sort of the new

00:03:56.900 mainstream media, like we're no longer going to like a Fox news or a CNN. I mean, I'm not,

00:04:03.200 I don't think you are either to get our news. I think a lot of people are consuming things like

00:04:08.400 Peterson Academy, a podcast, like it's just it's a different form of media now.

00:04:13.080 The bet that that I think we've made is that I don't even talk about it as a podcast network.

00:04:18.600 I think that was a limiting way. That's what other companies in our space were doing. We're

00:04:22.080 a podcast network. I just looked at it as we're a modern media company that leverages these kind

00:04:27.220 of shows on video, audio, and then into different opportunities, whether it's live events or

00:04:31.580 subscription content or commerce. Oh yeah. I saw events that you guys do too. Yeah. It's

00:04:37.520 impressive. It's very well branded. I'm always jealous of your branding. I've been following

00:04:42.040 your blog since a really long time ago. Like, I don't know when it started, but I think I was

00:04:47.260 on there perusing around Skinny Confidential blog in like 2011, maybe, or 12. When did you start it?

00:04:54.440 It was like back, like I was almost in high school. It was really a while ago. That's wild

00:05:00.000 to me. I think what I find so interesting about you is that you are so smart and you're so well

00:05:07.580 spoken and articulate and like you have you're so multifaceted. But you also I like and I know

00:05:12.420 because we've text you love like the beauty, the diet, the fitness, the health, too. It's very

00:05:17.640 multifaceted. So that's cool that you've been following for that long. It's been around since

00:05:21.080 2010. OK, yeah. So right at the beginning a long time ago. Well, I get like I think it's really

00:05:28.360 naive of people to assume that how you look doesn't matter immensely. Like what you do

00:05:33.260 matters immensely. But I mean, like how you look defines so much about you, right? That's why

00:05:41.760 people need to know how to dress a certain way to be taken seriously. Like you can't go into a nice

00:05:45.880 hotel if you're dressed like a homeless person, unless you're so famous, they know who you are.

00:05:50.700 Right. Like, so yeah, I like, I like the beauty stuff for sure. I think though, it's almost,

00:05:56.300 and you probably know this, you can use it to your advantage. Like I love that people,

00:06:01.760 especially when I was blonde, cause it's different when you're blonde. It's very

00:06:05.180 different when you're blonde. It's very different. They underestimate you. I'm so hard that you 1.00

00:06:10.180 really can use it as leverage in a lot of situations if you're clever. Yeah. A hundred

00:06:15.740 percent. I like, I've been, you've almost influenced me to go brown so many times and 0.64

00:06:20.380 I don't think I can do it because I know how people react to me when I have brown hair. And I just

00:06:24.900 like I figure I think I spent my entire life not being taken seriously anyway and was like well if

00:06:31.120 I'm not gonna be taken seriously I think I might as well have lip injections and blonde hair you

00:06:35.520 would look good brown are you naturally brown I'd love you naturally like light brown okay which is

00:06:41.020 like a mousy I don't know it was always like nondescript browns it was like nah you could do

00:06:45.260 a deep chocolate chocolate brown and it would frame your face and I think it would look great 0.96

00:06:49.120 However, I do like you blonde. 0.90

00:06:51.480 So I think you can't go wrong.

00:06:53.800 Thank you.

00:06:54.380 I appreciate that.

00:06:55.740 So you guys work together and you're very successful.

00:06:59.760 How do you balance, I know you guys have two kids.

00:07:03.580 How do you balance kid time, work time,

00:07:07.260 having your own separate time?

00:07:08.580 Let's do kid time first.

00:07:09.880 Do we balance?

00:07:11.060 I don't know that balance is the right word.

00:07:13.540 I think I run my life.

00:07:15.860 I've realized like a marathon sprinter. So like I will go to L.A. and I will literally do like I

00:07:26.960 will do four days in one. I will strategically pack each day. So it's so packed that there's

00:07:35.220 no more toothpaste to squeeze out when I lay my head on the pillow. And then it gives me time to

00:07:39.920 come to Austin and like put on my mom hat and be really, really present with my children and not

00:07:47.340 be running around like a psycho. So I and that's when I kind of am like preparing to be a high

00:07:52.280 performer. So whether it's cold punch sauna, lifting weights, taking walks like I'm still

00:07:57.300 working, but it's not at the same vigor as when I'm in an L.A. or in New York. It's a different

00:08:03.600 pace. So I would say that's sort of how I look at my life is it's like I have to slow down to

00:08:08.920 speed up to be efficient in LA and New York the way I need to be. I don't know if that's a balance

00:08:15.660 or it's more like I go hard when I need to go hard and then I lay off when I need to lay off.

00:08:20.380 We think about it and I talk about it all the time in the company is like impact. And so when

00:08:25.040 I say impact, I tell the people that we work with all the time, like, I do not care how hard you

00:08:28.980 work. Like working hard is for the bees. Anyone can work hard. I mean it. Yeah, no, I completely

00:08:34.300 agree. I care about like ants work hard, right? I care about the impact. And so the way that we

00:08:38.720 think about our work is to Lauren's point, we'll go somewhere for two weeks and we will just go

00:08:43.940 balls to the wall, super aggressive, work, work, work, work, get a bunch of stuff done. Like for

00:08:47.940 the podcast last week, we did 18 shows in a nine day period, right? It's a lot. Um, in, in addition

00:08:54.200 to that other stuff. And what that'll do is it'll like, we'll do all that front work to free up all

00:08:58.620 of that content. And then we'll go back. And then now we're back in Texas. Like, okay, the impacts

00:09:02.700 we're going to be a lot of time with our kids, a lot of time with family, a lot of time with each

00:09:05.480 other, a lot slower. But we'll go for those like really meaningful moments. And what I tell people

00:09:10.580 all the time is like, how far are you really like pushing the ball forward, whether it's in your

00:09:13.660 relationship or as a parent or in your business in spurts of time? Because there's something to

00:09:18.960 be said about consistency, which is great for certain things. But if you're if you're just

00:09:23.760 consistent all the time, showing up and doing the same thing all the time and ending up in the same

00:09:27.260 place, like you're probably not having the impact you want. I think squeezing four days into one

00:09:32.060 and also ingraining my children into my life.

00:09:35.920 So when we are in LA, my kids are with us most of the time.

00:09:39.100 Like they're there.

00:09:39.860 They're seeing me work.

00:09:41.080 They're seeing me go out to dinner.

00:09:42.500 Sometimes I'm like, the other day we had a dinner

00:09:46.600 that we had to attend to to work

00:09:48.100 and then we ordered a souffle.

00:09:49.980 And so then I went upstairs, got my daughter and my son

00:09:53.640 and brought them downstairs

00:09:54.800 and the souffle was sitting on the table

00:09:56.340 and they could eat the souffle with us

00:09:57.860 and be there for 30 minutes.

00:09:59.540 so I'm constantly like trying to figure out ways for them to be integrated into our life and see

00:10:05.540 what we do and I want them to see that movement but then I also want them to be able to come home

00:10:10.280 and see us really as a mom and dad and not all the stuff we do but in terms of our marriage we'll

00:10:15.820 have conversations where we'll look at each other like this week is going to be intense yeah yeah

00:10:20.020 and we just know like probably not going to be the best time to try to be romantic and probably

00:10:24.060 not the best time to you know have that serious relationship you did try to stick it in though

00:10:28.560 like the other day after i had 45 podcasts and i was like up until 12 doing work and i was like 0.95

00:10:33.920 bitch i'm gonna lay here i was trying to get i literally laid there i think i was like you know 0.97

00:10:38.720 we've been married for a long time i could use a break like we're talking about impact here 0.99

00:10:43.640 put my headphones on i could use some joe dispensa meditation and you just get what you need to get

00:10:49.300 but we'll look at that and say okay after we're done with this like intense whatever it is like

00:10:53.480 then we'll say okay next week's all about the kids and all that and you know i just think it's it's

00:10:57.700 unrealistic for entrepreneurs or really anyone in life that's trying to have a work I don't believe

00:11:02.440 in work-life balance I don't think it exists I think anytime you're working you're obviously

00:11:06.320 taking time away from your kids anytime you're with your kids you're taking time away from your

00:11:09.460 worry just I will say this we do not do anything that um is not worth being away from our children

00:11:18.560 so we don't go out yeah I mean I think you guys are saying we're not going to go out to dinner

00:11:23.440 with every podcast guest that like we're very like thoughtful about okay like this person like

00:11:29.200 we really want to get to know like we're we're we're at home when we can be at home yeah you

00:11:35.740 guys it seems like the same way yeah yeah i think that's exactly spot on but we're like how do you

00:11:40.300 like scottsdale was like oh i really like it i haven't really been outside but like the view

00:11:45.500 is incredible but that's about it and then like two restaurants we go to yeah we don't have a

00:11:50.240 very big social life here in austin to be honest like part of the reason we left la i would say

00:11:54.920 it's almost non-existent right but you know i think when we're here we've decided this is the

00:12:00.120 place where we're well with our kids and ryan holliday i don't know if you're familiar with

00:12:03.140 him was on the show and he was saying you know people think that when they get to this certain

00:12:07.060 level of success or they you know they reach a certain milestone that they're going to be able

00:12:10.620 to do all of these things like you're going to go to the fancy parties and you're going to the

00:12:13.940 dinners and you're going to the political network there's a likely you're saying no to a lot more

00:12:19.740 at that point because you have to decide the weight of you know if it's taking time away from

00:12:23.340 your kids or relationship or whatever it may be you know the more successful you get the more

00:12:27.580 opportunities you are but then that gives more of a reason to say no because you have to focus on

00:12:31.880 your craft yeah if you don't focus on your craft you can't then progress more in your career so

00:12:36.820 it's really it's sort of like an interesting dance that you have to do yeah you really have

00:12:41.760 to prioritize yeah do you guys do at new year's or something do you guys map out the next year

00:12:46.960 we have a notes app that we each have that has very set goals and visions and it's funny i just

00:12:55.180 talked to a couple the other day and they were fighting and they were fighting about like where

00:13:00.040 they wanted to go and be and i said do you guys have like not a not a vision board i don't i don't

00:13:05.260 like that like an execution board on where you want to be essentially a plan like a plan in in a

00:13:10.980 year in five years and ten years and they kind of like looked at each other and they're like

00:13:14.320 no. And I'm like, then how are you guys supposed to get aligned on anything? If you we talk about

00:13:20.320 what it looks like when we're retired, what it looks like when we're grandparents, like what it

00:13:24.000 looks like in the next 10 years, in the next five years, you have to get aligned with your partner

00:13:28.700 and have a clear vision on not just work, but finances, kids. How many kids do you want? We

00:13:36.380 even have like how many dogs we want in five years. Like it's like we're very detailed with

00:13:41.740 where we want to be we talk about like how long do you want to be public and have a public platform

00:13:45.680 we talk about all that i think a lot of couples that we've talked to over the years the ones that

00:13:50.440 sometimes struggle are the ones that they they assume they're both on the same plan and same 0.96

00:13:54.360 trajectory yeah and like even little things were like maybe they i'll use a stupid example someone

00:13:58.260 wants to open a bake shop like a family bake shop or the wife and husband want to do it and the wife's

00:14:02.680 idea is like i want to open this one bake shop and just like have this one place and it's going

00:14:07.480 to be great and we'll go there and the husband's like i want to have this go international become

00:14:10.720 a franchise like it's the same thing but it's a completely different plan and idea and so we talk

00:14:15.420 all the time like hey am I going too far too less are you aligned is this where you want to end up

00:14:19.280 not end up and like one of the things we do it's not like a new year's plan to sit there and say

00:14:24.700 this is the year but and I don't remember who told me this it might have been and he didn't tell me

00:14:28.940 personally but where I learned is maybe Warren Buffett or one of those guys it's like 7-1-1

00:14:32.440 where there's a seven-year plan of exactly like where you want to be financially and where you

00:14:38.000 want to live and how many kids and like that's the far plan it's so far off that it's not close

00:14:42.180 enough and then the one is one year what do you need to execute in that year to like make progress

00:14:46.540 against that seven-year plan and then the other one is the month like what do you need to do that

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00:15:41.460 known each other for a long time right since we were 12 so how did that i mean that was just like

00:15:47.540 coincidence how did that work out so well like you guys are both entrepreneurial i mean i think

00:15:51.620 it's really really i was worried so i'm divorced and i was like i'm fine by myself i got to the

00:15:57.160 point where i was like i'm fine by myself i like it's better than being with somebody who doesn't

00:16:02.020 want to do things as many things as me. And it turns out that there are a lot of people and

00:16:07.060 there's absolutely nothing wrong with this either. Like there are a lot of people that don't want to

00:16:11.640 work all the time or go out and change the world in like different ways. And no wonder that's,

00:16:17.000 I think, an abnormal yearn for people to have. But you guys just coincidentally both

00:16:20.780 had that or did you have to kind of negotiate that? I think we're very much on the same frequency,

00:16:27.180 but I have the same thought of you is if I got divorced, not from him, but from some random guy.

00:16:33.460 I've set the bar so high.

00:16:34.240 No, but I would be like that too. I would be like, I would rather be alone than be with someone

00:16:39.340 that is fine just coasting by. Because what it does is it drains you in a weird way, right?

00:16:47.580 It's not uplifting. I want a partner who is a true partner. So I think where that comes from

00:16:54.360 is we always have been on the same frequency

00:16:56.700 since we were very little.

00:16:58.320 What I will acknowledge now that you bring it up

00:17:00.480 and I've thought about this a lot over the years

00:17:02.500 is it maybe is a bit uncommon

00:17:04.660 that we're both so type A and so driven

00:17:07.520 and somehow still functional in a relationship.

00:17:10.260 Yeah.

00:17:10.980 Yeah.

00:17:11.340 I think so, right?

00:17:12.120 Because you see a lot of entrepreneurs

00:17:13.340 and very successful people that can't,

00:17:16.340 they're just, it's multiple divorces too

00:17:18.980 or they spend all their time at work

00:17:21.240 because the people at work

00:17:22.100 are more interesting in the relationship.

00:17:24.200 I think that's probably the norm.

00:17:25.740 I think the dynamic, so as I've gotten older, I've realized that maybe a lot of guys sometimes

00:17:33.300 struggle, and I'll just say this about men, some men struggle with really successful women

00:17:37.060 because they're used to a dynamic, a very traditional dynamic where maybe the man's

00:17:40.680 the breadwinner and the woman's not as much, or maybe the man's kind of like the lead breadwinner.

00:17:45.980 And I grew up in a household where both my parents were entrepreneur, but I grew up watching

00:17:50.620 my mom work all the time. And so for me, like most of the women I have in my life that I'm

00:17:55.980 close with, that even my closest friends are typically very strong entrepreneurial women

00:18:00.820 that are doing all the things. And I realize I've got, I'm not talking about myself either,

00:18:05.120 like his best friends, like all like the women that I, you know, even with Dear Media, I co-founded

00:18:09.060 it with a, with a woman and I get along with that kind of dynamic. But I've also seen some of my guy

00:18:14.520 friends that start to get with a girl like you or like Lauren and it, it, it throws them because

00:18:19.580 like okay now there's this woman they've got a public platform they're successful all these

00:18:22.560 things um i'm inherently fine as a behind the scenes person that's i always thought i was

00:18:26.800 gonna be behind the scenes and so for me the dynamic was like yeah you go out there and tap

00:18:29.740 dance and do your thing um but because of that i'm not threatened by it and yeah we look at it

00:18:35.240 as like we're like i'm her biggest cheerleader and vice versa we push each other um and critic

00:18:40.980 yeah and critic too yeah yeah yeah but yeah i get that i guess it's an uncommon dynamic i think

00:18:48.660 and i think it has to do a lot of just tradition the way traditional households are set up where

00:18:53.700 i guess like we are not a traditional household at all like i never expect lauren to have dinner

00:18:57.180 on the table for me um i like i don't expect her to you know beat at the tune of my drum and going

00:19:04.940 to my the common misconception is people think we work together on everything like she has her

00:19:09.100 own business with her own team and i have my own business on the team we do the podcast together

00:19:12.300 but we we push and motivate each other i do think though from an entrepreneurial standpoint in a

00:19:17.340 marriage, it is important, I think, for you each to sort of have your own area. So like he does

00:19:23.560 Dear Media. I do the Skinny Confidential product line. We come together. We do the show. And it's

00:19:28.300 very defined. And like I'm more in the creative. He's more analytical and logistical and operational.

00:19:34.680 And I think that it's really been thought out and defined, though. And I think that's where

00:19:39.260 couples maybe go wrong is it's like there's like a wishy-washiness to who's in what bucket.

00:19:43.840 yeah she will come to me and say like this is the brand this is what i'm doing and my only like i

00:19:50.240 don't i don't get into like i would do this like that's her lane sometimes i'll say hey what do

00:19:54.180 you think about like tweaking this or tweaking that he did tell me to launch mouth tape he came

00:19:58.800 to me that's a good idea he's yeah he said hey yo your sales on mouth tape you gotta launch it but

00:20:03.660 did he say to make it pink in the lips with the brand with the silver tin no he didn't that was

00:20:08.760 me so he like he does like see the bigger he's like more bigger picture and I feel like I love

00:20:14.700 the detail that's awesome how are like how are you guys um we overlap a lot like there are

00:20:23.120 definitely things that Jordan's better at than I'm at than I am and there are things that I'm

00:20:28.680 already pretty good at so I had to do a lot of negotiating on my dad's behalf when just running

00:20:32.940 his brand and that's like talking to lawyers and I didn't have a business background and I have

00:20:36.960 like blonde hair. So they're like, who's this bimbo? Like I had a super sketchy lawyer that 1.00

00:20:42.600 I wanted to fire. Tell me I should stick to podcasting. I was like, that's because you're

00:20:46.440 charging my dad in an arm and a leg and I want to let you go. Right. As a whole. Maybe you should

00:20:51.180 you're really good at what you do on the podcast and you should do that. Anyway, he doesn't work

00:20:56.020 with us anymore. But he doesn't. But Jordan's better at like I'm still even though I'm dominant

00:21:03.240 for a female things still make me uncomfortable that don't make him uncomfortable so I can be

00:21:09.060 like this is what needs to happen and he knows it's what needs to happen but I don't really want

00:21:13.280 to have the conversation could you do it and he's like yeah no problem so there are a lot of like

00:21:16.480 harder conversations I think that he that we're both on the same page with that he can have

00:21:21.140 he's more disagreeable he's better at like letting people go and negotiating he's just

00:21:26.500 more disagreeable so he can get things cost him less than they would cost me when he does

00:21:30.960 negotiation jordan also seems and you you could tell me if i'm wrong here you all he also seems

00:21:36.300 very confident with the fact that you're on stage a lot like i don't like sometimes you know there's

00:21:42.020 like men that like feel like insecurity when the woman is like in the spotlight yeah that wouldn't

00:21:47.980 work yeah it seems like he's very um maybe self assured is the word maybe just comfortable yeah

00:21:55.540 it's never been a contest yeah that's so annoying right yeah yeah it's confidence really but like

00:22:01.760 there'll be things and maybe i don't know your listener base and our listeners is maybe similar

00:22:05.500 or have heard me say this but if lauren ever starts to get like to the point where she's 1.00

00:22:08.860 being too masculine to the point where she's like trying to i'll be like hey put your fucking balls 1.00

00:22:12.660 away yeah i don't like i don't like i don't need that if you're acting like a little bitch because 1.00

00:22:17.780 you ate too much soy i'm like wipe the sand out of your tongue when i say yeah like when we when 1.00

00:22:22.720 Still on the soy milk.

00:22:24.260 We have a non-traditional dynamic, but at the same time, we're very clear that there's a man and woman in this relationship and we play those roles.

00:22:32.140 We're friends.

00:22:33.960 We've known each other since we were 12.

00:22:35.700 People get mad about the banter on our podcast.

00:22:38.020 Imagine knowing the person that you're with since you were 12 years old.

00:22:41.620 I know how far I can push.

00:22:43.300 He knows how far he can push.

00:22:44.820 We have banter.

00:22:45.880 It's like what works for us.

00:22:47.600 We have not been dating, by the way, since we were 12.

00:22:49.420 That's not what happened.

00:22:50.380 But we've known each other since we were 12.

00:22:52.720 She she was chasing me since I was 12. And finally, I said, all right, you know, he wasn't as tall as

00:22:57.640 Jordan. When I when I met Lauren, I thought she was the substitute teacher. She was fully developed.

00:23:03.280 And I was a 12 year old boy that was like four foot one. I thought she was subbing in for the

00:23:07.440 teacher. I was like, OK, cool. Hot new sub. And then then I realized she was in my class.

00:23:13.140 Oh, that's funny. Did you guys have to figure out? So, I mean, Lauren, you're obviously

00:23:17.880 dominant for a woman compared to the average woman. So you'd be like screwed if you were 1.00

00:23:22.700 with someone who didn't push back, like screwed. So did you guys, was that just natural or did you 0.98

00:23:29.080 have to negotiate a little bit? And like, Michael, did you have to set up boundaries? And you're

00:23:32.520 like, like you said, you can't act like you're going too far in that direction. Jordan does

00:23:36.620 the same thing to me when he's like, I'm like, I've been working all day. Of course, I'm a little

00:23:40.080 masculine. I'll let her answer. I'll let her answer. And I'll give you my perspective. Go ahead.

00:23:44.000 well okay like i said earlier i think it's uncommon we're both very type a i'm used to being

00:23:50.180 in charge of my life and in charge of the business i run she's used to being in charge

00:23:53.540 but and in the same realm i want her to thrive and be herself and do everything that makes her 0.60

00:24:01.640 special because i think that like i wouldn't change anything about her but but if it gets 0.98

00:24:06.700 to the point where we're in the relationship dynamic and i need to say pump the fucking 1.00

00:24:10.560 breaks, buddy, or put your balls away. I'm not scared to do that with her. I joke with her all 1.00

00:24:14.980 the time when we would get heated. I'd be like, good luck, any other guy. Both of us, I would do

00:24:22.000 terrible with a woman, and I have done terrible with women, who let me just run wild over them 1.00

00:24:26.800 and just kind of becomes the Michael show. It's not a healthy relationship. It's not good. I need 1.00

00:24:31.820 a little bit of that check. I had a mother who checked me hard, and that's the dynamic I'm used

00:24:35.920 to. But I think same for her. It's like if she was with some guy that couldn't handle this and was

00:24:40.000 trying to kind of like container that also wouldn't go well no it wouldn't go well I definitely

00:24:45.400 I I've always been dominant since I was little I'm an I'm an overshare I'm I say what I mean

00:24:53.320 and I mean what I say and like I think what you get on the podcast is who I am in person like

00:24:58.100 it's it is what it is and not everyone likes me and I'm totally fine with that I actually don't I

00:25:04.200 I like we talked about on our podcast like bad press fine like whatever it's I'm not for everyone

00:25:09.720 i get that um yeah like i'll be in the audience and she'll say wild stuff and i'll be laughing

00:25:14.280 like i and i think it's funny like when she does that kind of stuff but listen sometimes i could

00:25:18.860 take it down a notch i'm self-aware enough to know that sometimes it's a little much we had

00:25:23.740 we had dinner one night with a preacher like an actual like priest and and his wife and she

00:25:30.820 lauren was like cussing up a storm and i was just like this is i didn't know you can't cuss in front

00:25:34.500 of a preacher it was wild i was like i grew up in a catholic i'm sitting there my book which is 0.99

00:25:38.960 called get the fuck out of the sun. I like signed it like cute with a heart. The thing that's 0.97

00:25:44.320 endearing is she's not trying to do it for shock value and she's not trying to do it to make them

00:25:47.860 uncomfortable and she's highly respectful, but it's just like the fact that that goes over your

00:25:52.140 head. Like I'm sitting there all prim and proper. Like, Oh my God, I better, like, I can't offend

00:25:55.120 the priest. I'm watching like the show, the secret lives of Mormon girls. Have you watched? Oh no, 0.83

00:25:59.400 I saw that we were watching. I hate to say this cause I like never, I really don't like watching

00:26:05.200 tv but if you're doing really long days and then i just go to sleep i won't sleep so i'll be like

00:26:10.820 okay the bachelorette yeah that's what i like i just need something so dumb i get it and like 0.95

00:26:16.280 so i was i saw an ad for that show i was like this is i always get this fucked up and i always 0.85

00:26:22.500 wonder if i'm wrong about this but i think more empathetic people and i think about empathy as 0.76

00:26:28.540 understanding the perspective of other people are like, I, I, I tailor myself that way. Like

00:26:34.420 if I'm in a room, I'm like, okay, you can't be blasting off here. Cause it's going to make people

00:26:38.240 uncomfortable. I understand the perspective and I want to make them comfortable. It's not that I

00:26:41.360 want to diminish myself and my personality. I just try to be probably more. It's like,

00:26:45.560 it falls under agreeableness and my agreeableness is really low. So I'll usually just, if it's a

00:26:51.440 room full of people and they're going to be annoyed or something, I'll just be quiet and

00:26:54.720 leave like i'm not gonna unless it's something like i was pretty vocal about the covid lockdown

00:27:00.800 and like mandatory vaccines and things it's like i don't like that kind of thing doesn't bother me

00:27:05.540 because i'm like that's widespread needs to be talked about but i don't think i care enough to

00:27:08.760 be in a room where i won't stay with that group of people anyway but that that usually that is

00:27:13.160 compassion it falls under agreeableness and you're you might be higher than lauren well but what i

00:27:17.320 know it's definitely possible that maybe are not as empathetic i don't mean like they're not

00:27:20.820 sympathetic i just mean that they they have a much stronger perspective of their own and it's

00:27:25.080 hard for them to see the perspective of other people yeah i don't even know if that's wrong

00:27:28.400 like it's i hadn't met very many people that were more disagreeable than me because i'm pretty

00:27:32.520 disagreeable but i feel other people's discomfort even if i don't agree with their discomfort i've

00:27:38.200 had employees where i'm like you're so uncomfortable it's making me uncomfortable

00:27:41.600 even if they're wrong and i think jordan i sometimes i think doesn't even notice because

00:27:48.500 he doesn't feel it and then he so he's right still because it's like if they're wrong and

00:27:52.820 uncomfortable then who cares but i can feel it enough that i'm like oh i'm not in the yeah i

00:27:57.840 don't i don't feel like i've never experienced that no no no i actually that's but that's

00:28:02.060 interesting that you say that because seeing you online it seems like you are comfortable

00:28:08.000 if someone doesn't agree with you like oh 100 it seems like you're fine with it it's more like

00:28:13.240 people it's very it's a very specific situation it's when when you know you're going to ask

00:28:18.180 somebody to do something that's pushing them a little bit too far beyond what they're comfortable

00:28:22.380 I would prefer not to ask because I already know it's going to make them uncomfortable that's why

00:28:26.980 you say Jordan Jordan will do that and generally they'll say yes and sometimes I'm just wrong and

00:28:32.500 I've misjudged that or sometimes you can push people a little bit and then yeah I mean I don't

00:28:38.180 feel a personal obligation I don't even know who's right I think he's right probably not me

00:28:41.980 I think you're both right but just I think it just depends on the way you're viewing it I don't feel

00:28:46.280 any personal response i said this when like somebody got mad i don't feel any personal

00:28:50.020 responsibility to make people feel comfortable or safer like i say what i want and do what i want

00:28:54.720 all that but i will not go out of my way to make people uncomfortable for reasons that i deem

00:29:00.760 unnecessary so like if it's something like okay like i don't if i'm gonna go and do my own thing

00:29:05.740 anyway you may disagree with it but i don't need to then sit there and convince you why i'm right

00:29:09.900 and you're wrong if you're like set on being your way does that make sense yeah like i think the

00:29:14.000 problem with a lot of this back and forth politically is like some people are just set

00:29:18.080 and no matter what you say or do, they don't care. They're going to keep doing the same.

00:29:21.660 Like for example, the people that went full wacko COVID vaccine jab and they're still doing it. I

00:29:26.900 have no interest in trying to convince them why they're wrong at this point. Like you're going to

00:29:29.940 just do your thing. I'm not going to do that thing. And I'm going to tell you why I'm not

00:29:33.140 going to do that thing. But like if that, if you're on jab nine and you're wondering what's

00:29:37.680 going on in your life and it's not like, that's on you, you know? Yeah. I'll say things like that

00:29:41.720 and people you know get mad or not but like i i don't feel a need to go educate those people

00:29:46.760 yeah maybe i just did yeah just a little sideways sideways this is sideways education

00:29:52.860 what do you keep saying like oh yeah some people are just so set yeah and then it's a waste of time

00:29:57.740 yeah mostly yeah i'm not a big i'm not a big believer in wasting breath and time

00:30:03.580 yeah i'm gonna remind you of that next time you disagree with me i'm gonna say you're wasting

00:30:08.740 breath in time somebody who talks for a living yeah that's funny um we are obsessed with your

00:30:15.300 ice roller jordan is like more like unhealthily obsessed with it we have like four of them and

00:30:21.740 like double roll to like save time we could get you some more anytime you guys need ice rollers

00:30:26.560 just hoard them up do you have the little one you have a mini ice yeah i gotta get you the little

00:30:31.160 i've been packing the large ice when i travel well see i designed the big one after a dildo i

00:30:36.020 actually brought a dildo to the manufacturer and was like, I need it to feel this thick and girthy.

00:30:41.580 So it's hard to travel with. Like it would be hard to travel with a dildo. So we made a littler one 0.85

00:30:47.500 that's like less dildo-y. Okay, okay. I need to see this. I love the ice roller. I love the ice

00:30:54.640 roller. The mouth tape was a really good idea. There's no girly mouth tape. No, there's no girly

00:30:59.260 mouth tape. And it's absolutely incredible what it does for energy. It's it's truly changed my

00:31:05.720 life. Like I cannot sleep without it. And I also noticed that it's like helped make this muscle

00:31:11.680 stronger, the masseter muscle, which is like supported my tongue posture. People don't realize

00:31:16.880 when you're sleeping and your mouth is open, it is the most aging thing that you can do for your

00:31:23.020 face, because think about the gravity of your mouth just hanging open. Oh, my gosh, I hadn't

00:31:27.240 even consider that gravity ages you not to mention all the water it's really like all night so so

00:31:32.620 anti-aging like i'm obsessed with it i don't shut up about it i tell all my family members like if

00:31:37.700 you're not mouth taping it doesn't have to be mine i've called down to room service because i

00:31:42.300 don't i've like forgot it and i'll use masking tape like i will not go to sleep without my mouth

00:31:47.320 tape shot well sorry michael no but but makyla for you you may not suffer as much as other people

00:31:52.540 because you have such a meat-based diet that your jaw muscles are strong a lot of people that don't

00:31:56.580 have that diet your jaw survive jerky yeah oh your jaw like is going to get stronger and stronger

00:32:04.620 and stronger because you're eating that strip loin it's so good for the diet my kids when

00:32:09.220 they want smoothies i'm like i'm gonna chew some meat you need it do they eat jerky kids love jerky

00:32:15.940 i try to get them to eat jerky you know what they eat the which they eat the maui nui ones and then

00:32:22.120 the lineage ones by Paul Saladino. Have you seen those? I haven't seen that. I want to know actually 0.93

00:32:26.620 if you can eat this. Look at the ingredients. Does it have anything other than salt? I actually

00:32:31.620 think you might. Wait. Yes, I know. Wait. You know, probably it has vinegar. I can usually do that.

00:32:38.220 I eat a bag of those a day. They look scary. I don't even know why I'm scared of this. All I eat

00:32:42.880 is meat. It's organ. Oh, I hate organs. It's so good. Oh, you're an organ person. I think people

00:32:49.840 who are on the carnivore diet

00:32:50.840 who are eating too many organs

00:32:51.880 get vitamin A toxicity

00:32:53.240 and then they go,

00:32:54.020 oh, you can't just only eat meat.

00:32:55.680 Cough.

00:32:56.200 Some people, maybe we have.

00:32:57.500 You know what though?

00:32:58.340 Paul told me that there's not

00:32:59.880 a lot of organ in them.

00:33:01.520 So it's, if I ate a whole bag,

00:33:03.180 it's not too much vitamin A.

00:33:04.800 Is it a blend?

00:33:05.240 Is it good?

00:33:05.920 You can try one if you want.

00:33:06.940 I don't want to give you something

00:33:07.920 that maybe, maybe I'll.

00:33:09.340 Don't poison it.

00:33:09.680 Okay, I'm going to try one after.

00:33:10.900 Yeah, maybe, maybe just take one

00:33:12.760 and put it aside.

00:33:13.400 I don't want you to like,

00:33:14.580 get a response.

00:33:16.460 Done, done, done.

00:33:17.160 And I don't have my EpiPens

00:33:18.300 with me and yeah maybe you shouldn't maybe you should wait you should order a headline

00:33:21.900 Michaela Peterson I can have um Paul send you some I'm obsessed with you though these are my

00:33:26.980 favorite but yeah I try to get my kids to chew all the time yeah it's so important it's so important

00:33:33.220 I've been like my poor like little girl she's seven and her diet's so clean and she had a

00:33:39.480 stuffy nose chronically from three and I was going crazy trying to figure it out because I was like

00:33:44.280 we have clean household products with air filters everywhere like everything's optimized why she 1.00

00:33:48.640 have a chronically stuffy nose it's environmental allergies she started this sublingual drop from 0.95

00:33:53.340 windley so if your kids have environmental allergies they can just be exposed to like

00:33:58.200 tiny amounts of mold and grass and trees and over a period of about a year it reduces environmental

00:34:04.160 allergies by like 80 it's like those immunotherapy shots people used to get but it's just to spray

00:34:09.820 under your tongue and that's been working but i was like if we don't figure this out and she's

00:34:14.180 sleeping with her mouth open and I can't tape her mouth because her nose is too stuffy. It was like

00:34:17.760 her jaw is going to be all recessed. That's terrible. So but you figured it out with the

00:34:22.220 drops. Yeah, we're good. Windly. Yeah. Very convenient. Yeah. I think if someone if you

00:34:27.840 have a kid, we had someone on our podcast that is only breathing through their mouth. It's usually

00:34:33.520 this woman said she's an expert. It's called nurturing healthy faces. It's usually an airway 1.00

00:34:37.920 issue. They need to widen the palate, not get braces or pull teeth. They need to widen it. 0.96

00:34:43.280 there's an episode all on it and explains it but a lot of kids right now are getting their palate

00:34:47.960 widened and it's helping them breathe through their nose i have that for my kid too she has

00:34:52.420 a sleep guard now which is for palate widening yeah they really work and then you can avoid all

00:34:57.920 this like these horrible things that come with having a recessed jaw and not being able to

00:35:03.140 breathe and everything other than the way you look just like the way you feel the way you sleep

00:35:07.240 everything we have a friend maybe i'm dumb for saying this because i'm definitely not a doctor

00:35:12.940 but um our friend's father unfortunately has severe dementia and he was saying he had undiagnosed

00:35:19.840 sleep apnea for a long time because of breathing issues and there's this correlation of like the

00:35:25.640 airway getting narrower and narrower and these things going up also cholesterol again i'm not

00:35:28.940 a doctor but what we've figured out in our life is like if you can solve some of those airway issues

00:35:33.700 and breathe through your nose properly you're going to age better you're going to feel better

00:35:38.420 you're going to sleep better there's just so many benefits we love the mouth tape yeah yeah

00:35:42.800 I love the mouth tape the mouth tape is the one and I got to get you the silver tin okay so we're

00:35:48.360 doing for the hangover supplements I have and I think I we had the idea for the tin because the

00:35:53.640 bottle's hefty I was like people need enough so they're stocked for a year like I don't know what

00:35:58.160 I what I was thinking exactly I put mine in my tin yeah yes you need a little nice we need we

00:36:03.500 have this like tiny tin that we're going to be rolling out I can't wait because it is big and

00:36:08.120 I always want to travel with with every time I like I'm going like to have a couple cocktails.

00:36:13.080 I always bring your product and it is big. I still bring it, though. That's how committed.

00:36:17.720 We need the 10. OK, I had a whole bunch of pills dissolve in my purse. Yeah.

00:36:23.060 I'm just having loose. It was horrible. Yeah. When you're like out drinking in your clutch,

00:36:27.640 you just bring a couple. That's what I love. I love those. I told you off air. I take them all

00:36:32.040 the time. We bring a separate small suitcase just for supplements. We're insane. I don't know. It's

00:36:36.320 I don't know how this has happened. 0.63

00:36:37.240 She doesn't love that.

00:36:37.580 I used to pack an air fryer in a suitcase.

00:36:42.640 Now we don't do that anymore.

00:36:45.860 But when I didn't have any money,

00:36:48.280 there was another suitcase with an air fryer

00:36:49.780 so I could cook.

00:36:51.880 Yeah, so that's way worse than a supplement suitcase.

00:36:54.120 Are you cooking your skirt steak at home on an air fryer?

00:36:58.240 Yeah.

00:36:59.840 Every time?

00:37:01.180 Yeah.

00:37:01.880 Sometimes you grill it?

00:37:02.520 Wait, you just put it in the air fryer.

00:37:04.480 That's it?

00:37:04.780 Yeah, frozen.

00:37:05.400 strip loin and have you not done the frozen air fried steak i heard you talk about this is the 0.78

00:37:11.100 biggest hack say say the hack so mike can do it for me okay if you don't like cooking she threw

00:37:16.640 away my air fryer go ahead i'll get a new one i want something aesthetically pleasing go ahead

00:37:19.980 we have an aesthetically pleasing one jordan was like the air the ninja is like no i can't with the

00:37:26.260 i like the ninja but we have an aesthetically pleasing one now yeah frozen steak from the

00:37:31.120 freezer into the air fryer for like eight minutes each per side if they're like this thick and then

00:37:37.980 you get a medium rare steak with a crisp frozen no it has to be fully frozen otherwise it cooks

00:37:44.040 all the way through this is like i spent so before i met jordan and i like when you're only eating

00:37:50.740 meat it's so it's almost disappointing to cook because you're just like it's like annoying i

00:37:55.860 like i want to spend the least amount of time cooking as possible i probably spent like in

00:38:01.920 action i don't know four minutes cooking a day it was literally just like steak unwrapped steak

00:38:06.420 air fryer on flip done snake farms snake river farms that's she told me to get that that's okay

00:38:13.320 so you just have you tried it i bought it it's delicious yeah throw them in the freezer then

00:38:18.340 just pull them out as you need them eight minutes total yeah eight and eight usually if they're like

00:38:23.360 snake river but you mentioned charred what does that mean that there's like oh i like it with like

00:38:27.720 a nice crisp on the outside but not in the inside no like medium rare maybe another dumb question

00:38:35.480 air fryer can it char no um pretty much yeah if you cook from frozen it can get pretty like

00:38:41.300 dark and crispy on the outside yeah i'm gonna try this i'll buy a white air fryer for the kitchen

00:38:46.660 Okay. Jordan, you can tell me the brand. And I would like a steak from Snake Farm River.

00:38:53.080 Snake River Farm.

00:38:53.880 With Snake River Farm. That sounds delicious. If anyone's going to teach you how to cook steak,

00:38:58.820 it should be Michaela. Okay. No, I got the recipe.

00:39:02.040 Can't wait. Okay.

00:39:03.380 Just steak in an air fire. 0.96

00:39:04.100 Yeah, do it. It's life-changing. So how did you go? What's your trajectory from going from having

00:39:11.040 a blog and then a very popular blog to products? Yeah, I launched the blog knowing I was launching

00:39:19.180 a brand. Like I knew when I knew that launching the blog would canapult other things. So I knew

00:39:26.960 that I had to like put in the work with the blog, get the audience content market and make it bigger

00:39:33.940 than Lauren Bostic. It's always I don't want to be the one I didn't want to be the one that was

00:39:40.820 constantly showing up every day like I always wanted other people's tips tricks tactics habits

00:39:46.900 like there it's always been that from the beginning so all of these girls online were 0.97

00:39:52.400 doing like a blog about like their nail polish or what dress they were wearing or their hair

00:39:56.560 product but like how long can you really talk about that and keep an audience's attention

00:40:00.620 because I use a lot of the same skincare for the last six years you know what I mean like you can

00:40:05.500 you can only talk about yourself so that sort of uh went into a bigger blog which was still the

00:40:12.020 same message bringing a lot of women on and then michael we were in cabo over ginger margaritas and

00:40:17.200 he's like let's do a show and this is eight years ago podcasting was like very very new i think

00:40:23.380 rogan and lewis house were the only ones that i knew there's a lot of guys like it was a boy

00:40:28.700 tim ferris yeah i think cereal like there's i mean it was definitely we weren't the first for

00:40:32.360 sure. It's just, but eight years ago was, I guess, earlier than a lot. And I think what was

00:40:36.020 interesting about that was, yes, it was, it was my perspective and what I was interested in and

00:40:41.060 the guests that I wanted to bring on. But then you also had his perspective and the guests he

00:40:44.640 wanted to bring on. So you got this balance of masculine and feminine energy, but it still

00:40:49.380 remained that resource. And then from there we launched product, but the product I was, I was,

00:40:54.920 you know, very, very meticulous about it. It had to be sort of launched with the audience.

00:41:00.040 I always say the audience has kind of guided me on which products to launch.

00:41:04.380 And the first one was no-brainer was the ice roller because people were so obsessed with

00:41:09.000 cold therapy from my blog. And then it's like three years later, we're still doing product,

00:41:14.840 but each product is something that seamlessly fits into your routine. So it's a daily habit

00:41:20.720 that you're doing every single day. It's not beauty. It's not wellness. It's a daily habit

00:41:24.960 that's in your morning, your midday, your nighttime routine. And it's very in line with

00:41:29.460 blog. So it's like still pulling through those messages from 13 years ago. Yeah, that's very

00:41:36.760 cool. So what are you guys reading? I just finished Blue Nights by Joan Didion. I think

00:41:45.800 I'm pronouncing her name right. It was so good. But I also finished another book that I feel like

00:41:50.780 you would like called The Friday Afternoon Club by Griffin Dunn. And it's all about old Hollywood

00:41:57.440 and a murder that happened.

00:42:01.020 And it's like amazing.

00:42:02.360 I couldn't put it down.

00:42:03.480 Oh, that's fun.

00:42:04.300 Really fun.

00:42:05.140 But also the author's really well-written.

00:42:09.420 He's a producer in Hollywood.

00:42:11.340 And then what else am I reading?

00:42:13.180 I'm reading, I always go back

00:42:14.420 to The Art of Seduction, Robert Greene.

00:42:16.260 I love that book.

00:42:17.000 I love going back to it.

00:42:18.360 I love The Daily Stoic.

00:42:20.080 I love Daily Laws.

00:42:21.420 I love Robert Greene a lot.

00:42:22.740 I love his work.

00:42:23.520 I think he's, it's one of those things you study.

00:42:26.640 you know it's not just like you read the book and then you move on so i like that about him

00:42:30.820 i'm reading maybe for the sci-fi nerds out there i'm reading um asimov's foundation books you know

00:42:37.220 them oh really and they're basically like the i mean i think apple made a series of them and i

00:42:43.380 never read them before but and they're short but there's like six or seven of them but basically

00:42:47.180 the whole theme of it is like if you knew society was heading into an absolute disaster and there

00:42:51.960 was something you could do that would be painful but would shorten the the time that that disaster

00:42:56.500 transpired like would you do it oh this is so stressful after work all day i can't do that

00:43:00.380 i'm like secret wives secret wives mormon whatever maybe some similar parallels to what's going on in

00:43:05.920 the world right now right and i'm reading i'm reading those but typically um you know it's

00:43:11.200 like some kind of biography or psych psychology book um sometimes when i get stressed i go into

00:43:16.680 fiction i was reading some jack car books for a while like just the stuff to like get out of it

00:43:19.960 yeah but um yeah that's what i'm reading right now asimov's foundation that's how i go to sleep

00:43:24.920 at eight o'clock, I have a Kindle with with the dark mode on. And instead of looking at my phone

00:43:30.000 or a screen, I'll just pull up my Kindle and in 30 minutes I'm asleep. That's my sleep. But I will

00:43:34.980 say that's smart. I don't bring the phone in my room. I was saying the other day, I like think

00:43:40.940 the phone is disgusting like an STD when I'm done with it. I'm like, get away from me. Yeah. It's

00:43:46.960 like, oh, I'm assuming that sometimes people are like, I'm like scrolling in the morning. And when

00:43:51.660 I go to sleep I'm like literally get away from me don't touch me don't look at me don't be in my

00:43:56.580 room unless it has a meditation on I don't want to look at my phone I think there's two schools

00:44:01.020 of thought with that we fight about this I don't want to look at my phone I get that I broke my

00:44:04.420 phone about a month ago and I couldn't like I couldn't see anything on it and I was just like

00:44:08.740 sweet now that's because I have enough money to replace it so it wasn't a big deal but like for

00:44:13.780 a day I didn't have my phone and I was just like nice and you had no anxiety yeah basically even

00:44:19.680 doing work on your phone compared to a computer I don't know what it is if it's the I don't know

00:44:24.680 what it is I'll tell you it's bad it's dopamine sucking to-do list yeah it's it's your employees

00:44:31.720 to-do list it's your dad's to-do list it's your to-do list it's his to-do list and so what happens

00:44:36.380 is it's everyone's to-do list constantly coming at you and it's not proactive and it's not creative

00:44:41.280 it's reactive so I don't want it in my space during my creative times which are in the morning

00:44:46.180 and at night i think it's literally disgusting during those hours well i think it could be a

00:44:50.100 distraction but i wouldn't go so far as thinking you know this is what we fight about i'm like

00:44:54.080 she's like he wakes up he's like checking twitter he's like oh did you see the debate i'm like

00:44:58.640 get out i'm literally listening chimes right now but okay but i think no thank you i've gotten to

00:45:05.000 a place that hopefully and my as i've aged where like things online and in my inbox don't trigger

00:45:11.160 me i'm like okay i'll just respond to that later or i'll answer that later i have to have boundaries

00:45:16.400 around it i'm really thoughtful about the boundaries because or else it just runs your

00:45:20.680 whole day if you let it okay okay last last question so what is your start with lauren what

00:45:28.320 is your daily routine and i know it depends if you're on like hardcore work week but like

00:45:33.740 when do you wake up in the morning you said do you go you're in bed early like you have a stable

00:45:39.000 sleep schedule what does that look like you have an hour yeah i said i'll be back no i'll be quick

00:45:44.320 um i get in bed at 8 30 latest sometimes nine like tonight i'll be in bed obviously a little

00:45:51.800 bit later um i my red light in my room no light i can't stand you mentioned like light sensitivity

00:45:58.360 i i i can't stand it at night yeah red light um chimes like relax i want like nervous system

00:46:05.520 relaxed. Sometimes I put on a meditation. I read my Kindle. I go to sleep. Then I wake up. I wake

00:46:11.720 up at the same time every single day because we have a shade. And I highly recommend this 0.75

00:46:16.240 that goes down at seven. That's so nice. Instead of I don't want to be woken up by an alarm like

00:46:22.140 I just don't. I never. Why would I want to be jarred out of bed by my phone? Like that sounds

00:46:27.660 like I'd rather be punched in the face yeah yeah like nice cortisol rush like it's beep

00:46:33.360 who invented alarms it's there's so many other ways to wake up there's the hatch

00:46:41.180 that slowly wakes you up you could sleep with your windows open I just don't find that

00:46:46.880 inspiring um and when I wake up I go right outside first thing I do is go outside and

00:46:53.420 I'll sit outside for like 15, 20 minutes. And people are like, oh, but what about kids? My

00:46:58.740 kids are either outside with me or they're not awake yet. And I just in the morning, I just want

00:47:04.540 to be low vibe. So whether I take a walk, I want electrolyte water. I don't have coffee for 90

00:47:10.480 minutes. It's a Huberman tip. And then I cold plunge sauna and go to the gym. So I don't I'm

00:47:15.840 not really working until probably about 1030. I don't like to go into work first thing in the

00:47:23.320 morning what's your morning routine well i you know it's funny i did a podcast get out of bed

00:47:27.700 with your alarm check twitter we are we're wired completely differently but even though we're very

00:47:32.440 similar in a lot of ways we're wired he asked me for my social security number the other morning

00:47:36.060 when i woke up i looked at him like it was like i met another guy that so i'm an aries and i never

00:47:41.220 really look into these signs but i met a guy he's he's 83 years old and we share the exact same

00:47:46.200 birthday march 28th and we were talking i'm like and he asked me he's like hey do you just wake up

00:47:49.980 in the morning and feel like ready to go i'm like yeah he's like same he's like it's probably hard

00:47:53.240 to live with but he was telling me he's like wired the same way same birthday different years

00:47:56.840 obviously but i am i don't need this crazy wind-up period but i was talking to your husband

00:48:02.060 there's certain things that if i start to get off kilter that i'll do like what like if i'm if i'm

00:48:07.600 not feeling well i'm you know if i'm not in the right headspace like i'll have to sit down and

00:48:11.320 journal or write my thoughts out if i need to get if if i have access to a cold plunger sauna and

00:48:15.360 I'm like out and I'm not doing well, I'll do that. But what I realized I've, we've done 800 or so

00:48:20.960 shows and I've heard every kind of morning routine you can hear. And what I found is that people that

00:48:25.320 are so stuck on these routines all the time, if they get so stuck on them that they like,

00:48:29.380 if they don't do it, their whole day is like derailed. I can't do that either. I think it

00:48:33.760 can work against you. So I look at it as like, there's things you can get back to when you're

00:48:37.440 not feeling well, you're not feeling in a great space, but you don't want to get in a situation

00:48:41.400 where you depend on these things

00:48:43.760 in order to start your day.

00:48:45.280 Does that make sense?

00:48:46.300 I think you can only get usually 80% in,

00:48:49.860 but it's just about doing things

00:48:51.480 that avoid decision fatigue.

00:48:53.320 So I know exactly what I'm doing in the morning

00:48:55.340 and if I don't get all of them, whatever.

00:48:58.260 But the point is,

00:48:59.360 is I don't have to think about it.

00:49:00.600 I know I want to go outside.

00:49:02.200 I know I don't want to check my phone.

00:49:04.080 I know if I'm going to eat,

00:49:05.520 I'm going to have protein.

00:49:06.680 I don't like a lot of decisions.

00:49:10.080 But I also think the last thing I'll say is if you get your life in order and you eat well and you sleep well and you get your certificatium rhythm under control and you're not slamming yourself with caffeine and alcohol all the time, a lot of these routines are not necessary.

00:49:22.660 It's just people have to figure out all these crazy windups because they live in an unhealthy way.

00:49:26.580 And then in order to get out of bed, it takes them three or four hours because they're so fucked up from all the other stuff that they're doing.

00:49:31.620 So what I try to do is like 90% of the time is live clean and not do those things so that when I wake up in the morning, I'm full of energy and ready to go.

00:49:38.620 yeah that totally makes a normal concept i like to be woken up like a cat you and i are different

00:49:44.780 i did hear that men have testosterone a surge when they wake up and women don't so i i need a

00:49:50.520 minute i need a beat i can't talk about like the pimple on on your face at six in the morning like

00:49:55.440 i just can't call a friend it's on me okay lauren michael where can people follow you online they

00:50:03.340 can find me at Lauren Bostic at the Skinny Confidential and at TSC podcast. I think I'm

00:50:09.860 just Michael Bostic. And then the podcast is Skinny Confidential, him and her. Or if you don't

00:50:13.500 like ours, there's plenty at Dear Media. And Michaela was on our podcast. Go listen. It was

00:50:18.720 a different it was like different than I've heard you and I've listened to a lot of your content. So

00:50:22.220 it was fun. Go listen. And thanks for having us. That was fun. Yeah. Thanks for letting me host

00:50:29.300 you in your studio. Thanks for the steak that I want to watch you order tonight without with the

00:50:35.140 specific salt. I can't wait to hear that. You guys are going to watch and like giggle. I can't wait.

00:50:40.200 I love stuff like this. Thank you, Michaela. Thank you. Yeah, thank you.

The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - October 26, 2024

How to Handle a Dominant Woman, Couples That Work Together ｜ Lauryn and Michael Bosstick EP 210

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