00:00:53.860How's life in Toronto? Still in Canada.
00:00:55.660life is very busy very busy and canada's not that different
00:01:03.200i disagree i thought i thought it got different but i was also very averse to the cold for a
00:01:11.060very long time so yeah it's still cold and but it's not as different as it was three years ago
00:01:17.700before you left so you think you think toronto's recovered a bit oh yeah it's recovered i mean
00:01:22.720there's still like, uh, there's still problems from the pandemic that have lasted, but nothing
00:01:29.100that's particularly significant. Like I would say the city is still thriving and overall, um,
00:01:35.060the downtown is a little weird now and a little more dangerous. Oh, okay. Have you been down
00:01:39.300Sherbourne recently? Oh God. That was terrible. I went down, that was like U S ghetto. That was
00:01:47.620the worst I think I've seen. I haven't been to the scary parts in LA, but that was crazy. It's
00:01:52.500always been a rough area but it's probably 20 times worse than it was in 2019 like because i
00:01:59.380used to go there to go to the gym all the time i'd like go to sherbet and queen and it was always
00:02:04.520sketchy like someone would you know come out of the work and like do something weird yeah you know
00:02:09.680be taking drugs or you know pull down their pants or whatever it's gonna be but but now it's like
00:02:15.080you can't look anywhere and something like that isn't like yeah that's happening everywhere you
00:02:19.300look. It's, it's quite concerning. So, but that's by far, I mean, not to like, but that's by far the
00:02:24.540worst area. Well, that's good. Um, like, but it does, it has a, the downtown has a different feel
00:02:29.500and I'm sure it's mostly related to the fact that probably there's way less people working down
00:02:34.880there. Oh, right. And so it's probably at least hybrid. And so I would say there's probably 50%,
00:02:42.460maybe 40% less people there day to day. And just that, you know, you need a really vibrant
00:02:48.300downtown that might have been what i was picking up on in the summer i just was like this is off
00:02:52.800i'm not yeah it's just a little quieter and as soon as a downtown is quiet they get sketchy
00:02:58.660they get sketchy and so i mean that i don't know what the solution to that is because i don't think
00:03:04.280hybrid work policies are going anywhere very soon but i don't know it's yeah it's a tough one to
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00:04:02.280the rest of this episode well um i asked my audience a bunch of questions so we're going to
00:04:07.960run through some of them cool but and so let me move i'll just start with one and then i have some
00:04:12.860questions of my own but the main one is why do you choose to be more private than the rest of
00:04:18.860your family like mom has a podcast now dad's obviously dad I've been doing my thing for a
00:04:26.060number of years so why did you decide to well stay more private yeah well I think there's it's
00:04:32.860it's like a bunch of reasons I suppose and I don't even think it was exactly a decision that I made
00:04:38.780but yeah it's probably more of a decision to not do that yeah and so like it's partly it's partly
00:04:47.500my personality to a certain extent i don't i think i've always been a somewhat private person
00:04:52.560compared to all three of the rest of you um and so i liked to keep things kind of close to the
00:04:57.820chest and i like to have my circle and that so that i think that's part of it it's just a
00:05:02.660personality thing um I think part of it is that uh when I when I decided I guess to marry my wife
00:05:13.040it was 2016 and like and she moved into our house in October 2016 was which was like there were
00:05:22.460reporters lying down the street and so I think that that as kind of I mean it wasn't the beginning
00:05:29.680because we've been together for five years already by that point but it was kind of soon after we'd
00:05:34.320made the decision that we were actually going to like get married or at least have a life together
00:05:38.660and like that being the first thing that happened kind of after that is kind of like do we want this
00:05:45.180in our life like is this actually something because when you when you enter the the public
00:05:49.740like i don't know conversation i suppose and that sort of thing can happen for sure like at some
00:05:57.240points you're probably going to run into a situation where you say something and then the
00:06:00.500reporters are at your doorstep yeah uh and you know our our goals as a family are are they're
00:06:08.780really family goals like we want to have like a good solid unit that has you know that's protected
00:06:15.880from the world where we can you know educate our children and sell our values and have fun and not
00:06:23.280have to have the pressure of of the outside world on that and so more of a family decision in that
00:06:29.300area and then the third reason I suppose is that you know it's not like I don't have interested in
00:06:35.520a pub like I do have some interest in a public life but it's always been very very specific my
00:06:42.240interest in that um for instance I you know my my company essay I'm interested in promoting that
00:06:48.820publicly um to a certain extent although i would say i'm more interested in the technical side of
00:06:53.600it and so i tend to do that instead but but i am interested overall in promoting i'm certainly
00:06:58.560interested in its success um and so there's that and then i've always been interested in uh in
00:07:04.620pursuing my music publicly to a certain extent although uh i also have some like some things
00:07:11.760holding me back from doing that i always have a little bit that personality wise or or whatever
00:07:15.900it is um but i've been able to overcome those uh certainly over the last few years and start to put
00:07:21.280more music out and start to do that so so yeah so i think that's it is that i if i'm going to be
00:07:28.280public i want it to be specifically in the domains that i want to be public in and and i also want to
00:07:34.680i want that to be strategic yeah do you think if 2016 hadn't been like such a nightmare for us
00:07:43.400that maybe you would have kind of embraced the opportunity for being public more because it was
00:07:51.240it was basically just stressful really stressful yeah I mean it's possible it's hard to say like
00:07:57.220I had plans to to go to uh Berkeley uh music in Valencia and do like a performance art master's
00:08:07.160degree. Uh, and then, and I was going to do that and I just didn't end up doing it. I don't know.
00:08:14.660Like it was, I didn't really even make a decision not to do it. I ended up making different decisions
00:08:18.300to do different things. No, I mean, I was thinking about it then. Uh, but no, that was like 2018 that
00:08:24.420I was going to do that. Uh, yeah, things were still pretty weird. Um, but, but it's not that
00:08:30.040I've never had interest in, in that sort of, uh, like being public or at least in some, in some
00:08:36.240manner but yeah it was always related to music or or my work um in some specific way uh yeah
00:08:42.540so no reality tv show i just yeah no that's not for you no no i don't even like watching them
00:08:50.540makes me uncomfortable oh they make me uncomfortable too i i was feeling i don't i think it was last
00:08:56.240year when i got really sick from mold and i was just like i need some like what do people do i
00:09:01.380need to do something that isn't work i can't think very well and i tried to watch real housewives of
00:09:06.500miami yeah oof i've never watched that but i did i did exactly it's worse than you would think yeah
00:09:14.140yeah i did watch a season of the bachelorette though oh you did that was actually really
00:09:18.400enjoyable but i i watched i've only watched one but i watched it in in 2020 uh with two of our
00:09:24.560good friends we just like did that every week and watch the bachelorette uh when we weren't seeing
00:09:28.360anyone else a social event it was a social event because it was toronto and they were the only
00:09:32.900people we were seeing and we had a baby and so it was exactly the right vibe of of like media to be
00:09:38.320taking in uh not too stressful the stress is really not you could make fun of them yeah nothing
00:09:43.260to do with any of the weirdness in the world so yeah but overall i haven't watched i haven't
00:09:48.400watched reality tv uh since but yeah i feel that okay so you so we should we should uh talk about
00:09:55.080Essay. How's Essay doing? Essay's doing really well, yeah. We've spent, we launched a year
00:10:01.000and a half ago. For people who don't know, Essay is an online writing platform. It's designed to
00:10:06.900help people structure and edit their writing primarily without the use or help of AI or
00:10:13.440large language models. Currently, it's based on our dad's work. He wrote a document like 20 years
00:10:22.740ago that kind of outlined an editing and writing strategy. But it was just a really long Word
00:10:29.120document and you had to work through it kind of like a manual in order to implement the strategy
00:10:33.360of writing and to learn from it. And so I decided five years ago or so that it could be implemented
00:10:39.140through software in a much more straightforward way, easier to use, better experience, and
00:10:45.800hopefully a much more scalable technology than that. And so we launched about a year and a half
00:10:51.720ago and i've had about 200 000 people sign up and use it oh wow uh and we have a free trial so
00:11:00.460most of those people are free users but we've gained a huge amount of knowledge from obviously
00:11:05.580having that many people use it and write on it uh and have completely rebuilt the software over
00:11:10.540the last uh year and so it's much more stable now uh we're starting to introduce uh much more
00:11:17.340complicated new features as a result of that uh like kind of background work in the software and
00:11:22.340so that's really exciting and we're also starting to use it in classroom settings which is our big
00:11:27.880big goal of this year i would say yeah well that that i can see blowing up because basically then
00:11:35.820tell me if i get anything this any of this wrong but you can go into the app and it helps you figure
00:11:39.940out how to write something and it tracks how you write it so i think where this could be really big
00:11:45.760is implemented in classrooms and you give teachers access to the back end and then they can see
00:11:50.920and in order to copy ai you'd have to spend you'd have to spend so much time
00:11:56.980rewriting it kind of haphazardly and reorgan like you wouldn't really be able to fake it
00:12:03.760yeah classrooms need a tool to monitor people cheating from ai it would be huge there and it
00:12:09.680helps you learn how to write yeah so it's it's got some real benefit there because a lot of the
00:12:14.400anti-AI tools that you see out there are basically AIs that detect other AIs. And I think that it's,
00:12:21.380I'm not a teacher, but I think it would be depressing to be so distrustful of your students
00:12:27.760that you're running. I mean, I'm sure teachers kind of feel just not great about using even
00:12:33.140anti-plagiarism stuff in the, like by using a software platform and then, you know, convicting
00:12:38.200their students of plagiarism through the software. I think it's much more valuable for a teacher to
00:12:43.420see the process and the great thing about the way we've built the software and are still developing
00:12:48.380it is that we're trying to really get a comprehensive understanding and and eventually
00:12:55.340a comprehensive report to deliver to a teacher of the way that the student was thinking while
00:13:00.360they're writing and the way that they you know continued the way they edited and and everything
00:13:05.060that kind of led towards the final product and so that means that students can both be trusted that
00:13:12.100they did the work because there'll be proof of work um through the process and and also students
00:13:17.560can be rewarded for that process instead of just the outcome because you know part of the reason
00:13:24.440that people are so attracted to the ai writing platforms other than the fact that they're super
00:13:32.300powerful um and interesting and you know and easy uh so you know all that going for it but also
00:13:38.080people are almost always just marked on the outcome and that's what those things do they
00:13:42.860just produce an outcome that's polished and you know maybe it isn't your idea but it's someone
00:13:46.780someone's or like you know something something's idea uh and so if the if a teacher has the
00:13:53.380opportunity to more easily grade the process then it'll take away a lot of the upside of using an ai
00:14:00.260from for the student and so that's that's something we're really trying to trying to
00:14:05.160get right in the software. And we've had a good start in that right now. And so I think that could
00:14:10.900be really big. And the other thing we're going to do this year is release a mobile app for the
00:14:17.440software, which is going to be a big deal for us, obviously, because almost 95% of our marketing is
00:14:23.940done on mobile and we don't have an app. So it's definitely, it gets in the way of our signups.
00:14:29.920And we've also figured out a way to make it interesting on the phone, because the reason we didn't do it initially was that we still don't really believe that people do a lot of long form writing on their phones.0.53
00:14:42.820I mean, people do, obviously, and certainly people in third world countries do because that's all they have.
00:14:47.840And so certainly it's a market and maybe it's a huge market, but it's not an ideal hardware for writing as far as I'm concerned.
00:14:55.560but the way that we've built it means that it's much more segmented the pieces that you're working
00:15:03.120on and so you can iterate on one sentence on your phone which is a lot more yeah it makes a lot more
00:15:10.160sense for for writing on a phone in that way so it took us a while to figure out exactly how to do it
00:15:14.520and to make it a reasonable and like I would I don't necessarily want to call it an improvement
00:15:19.640to the software but a good direction for the software in a small smaller screen so we're
00:15:23.880really excited about that and hopefully it'll it'll grow the our user base as well and and
00:15:27.920let us put more resources into the development of the platform do you do you have an eta on when
00:15:32.400that's going to be out i mean i've pretty much built it it's just not polished yet but like
00:15:39.180within like a month and a half from now so like mid-february or march okay soon yeah it's built
00:15:44.600it's just not uh like bug tested and polished okay cool and we'll link all of this in the
00:15:50.300description so if anybody wants to check these out they'll just be linked in the description
00:15:53.640okay ready for another question yep okay what views or opinions do you hold that are different
00:16:01.580from your father what about your sister let me start with dad um does anything pop up to mind
00:16:07.500pop up to mind this is like postpartum brain pop up to mind
00:16:12.320did you mind birth anything right no um you know i don't think that there's
00:16:22.520usually dad and i don't disagree uh like on on the ideas that like normally we have relative
00:16:31.920alignment on that but but i feel like often we disagree on motivation uh and so one of the things
00:16:38.040that i find when we're having discussions about ideas or political events or whatever it is
00:16:44.000i think that i have a greater tendency to not assume ill will on the part of the person with
00:16:52.940the idea uh and so i think i have more trust overall so like what what kind of well idea
00:17:00.800let me see if i can think of an example um like ideologies yeah like ideologies let's say
00:17:08.680young people who have gone to university and ended up with this kind of idea set that's
00:17:14.500oppressor oppressed, uh, and framing the world in that way. Like I, I did a university degree
00:17:19.660in postmodern philosophy. And so I know a lot of people who think that way. And I also understand
00:17:28.180where those thoughts come from. Uh, and I mean, certainly dad does too, but I think that
00:17:34.800it's i mean you can blame the people for sure but but it's it's really been a difficult situation
00:17:42.020for a lot of undergraduate students to go into school expecting to be educated and coming out
00:17:47.000only having read uh you know literary theory and post-modern theory and everything that's
00:17:54.720breaking ideas down into into oppressor oppressed into yeah like deconstruction
00:18:00.580like deconstructing the ideas into whatever uh the professor or the writer intended you to
00:18:07.500come out thinking so i think that that's i have a lot of sympathy for for people who have been uh
00:18:15.080it's not exactly indoctrination but who just have been brought up with this kind of mindset um i
00:18:21.220feel like it is pretty much indoctrination and yeah it's just a it's just a weird version of it
00:18:26.200well it's an insidious and sneaky it is yeah um yeah but i mean i think that's also why he goes
00:18:32.000after universities so hard yeah yeah i feel like that's fair it definitely is fair the universities
00:18:37.820have done a poor job of that um in for a very long time now yeah and certainly that's where a lot of
00:18:45.920these these these problems are coming from and well you can see that in the news right now with
00:18:50.440all the ivy league schools losing their presidents yeah good riddance though maybe yeah i mean we'll
00:18:56.120see what happens next yeah the same person in a different form comes in or not um i feel like you
00:19:03.140had a really i feel like your university experience was fairly positive though at king's mine was
00:19:08.720atrocious yeah king's is a great school i went to the university of king's college in halifax and
00:19:13.580it's a liberal arts college and the first year program there is i think a really really good
00:19:20.180example of what undergraduate students should do, especially in their first year. It's, they go
00:19:26.440through the history of the ideas that undermine our culture, uh, or undermine, that's the wrong
00:19:32.540word. Uh, underlie, underlie. Yeah. So, uh, that was a good, good Freudian slip. Dad's going to bug you
00:19:40.560about that. Yeah. Uh, but anyway, they go through the kind of the Western corpus, um, and then they
00:19:46.300get students to write essays every two weeks about an idea within one of the texts that have
00:19:52.760been read and there's a lecture every morning and it's everyone is part of exactly the same
00:19:57.620curriculum and so it's a really there's a lot of camaraderie people are writing essays at the same
00:20:03.020time there's a lot of motivation to to do the work and to think about it deeply and so that's
00:20:09.680the first year and it's extremely effective way of introducing high school students into kind of a
00:20:15.660higher education setting. Because it's really, really hard for a 17, 18 year old student to go
00:20:22.020into university and, you know, go to six different courses, you know, at every different corner of a
00:20:27.740large campus and, you know, be motivated socially, which you need to be. You need to be motivated
00:20:33.420socially when you're a teenager. That's like the source of your motivation. And so this is the sort
00:20:38.040of cohort, I suppose, based approach for education, I think is extremely effective, especially for
00:20:43.940young people um if i went back now i don't think that would matter nearly as much um but certainly
00:20:48.700as a 17 year old it made a huge difference uh to my motivation yeah i should have done that type of
00:20:54.760thing but i hated halifax so much i wanted to be in montreal it's like montreal's where the party's
00:21:01.020at i'm gonna go there i also wanted to do psychology and i didn't realize how much of a
00:21:04.580disaster that was going to be at concordia yeah yeah halifax halifax is a great university town
00:21:08.900it was i can't really think of a better place to go to university than halifax or at least
00:21:12.980before i don't know what it's like now uh you know times have changed a little bit but but it
00:21:18.420was great you know there's six universities there it's like half students you know there's a great
00:21:23.620strip of bars downtown that like so you just always know where to go there's no decision0.81
00:21:28.200making to be done which is really nice when you're uh you know young and dumb yeah
00:21:32.280so i mean i wouldn't trade those years that was that was a great place to be for me and
00:21:37.520and the school itself was really good a lot of good professors and a huge opportunity to learn
00:21:43.280to write and to be uh mentored by really smart people um about your writing and about your
00:21:50.140thinking and so it was yeah i was i was really pleased with education i got there you know i
00:21:55.400didn't have one professor that i liked yeah that really four years that's really unfortunate
00:21:59.940that's pretty rough that is that's like all of them were like this is yeah really not good yeah
00:22:06.880it is hard to build a relationship with a professor in in most large universities it's
00:22:12.960difficult especially as an undergrad there's so many of you and professors are very busy and
00:22:17.900and it's hard to even know how to do that yeah and concordia especially if you don't want to
00:22:22.500like want to do it with any of the professors like i mean that was part of it but uh concordia
00:22:29.660also was just like the education wasn't good and it was weird back then like it was it was it's an
00:22:35.600art school so it was pretty tilted towards it was mostly like feminism like really third wave
00:22:42.060intense feminism yeah back then and that was like in my classics courses i did homer through a0.70
00:22:48.320feminist lens that was right how they taught it that wasn't the teacher i liked and then it was
00:22:53.040okay we're gonna learn learn how i'm wear through a feminist lens and i was like yeah yeah well
00:22:56.740that's that's what i mean from what i was talking about earlier about how like just everything
00:23:00.200is has turned is turned into like a deconstructionist view like it's literary theory
00:23:06.300it's something like you can read homer but like you're gonna read it in you know through this
00:23:10.000lens of gender or race or whatever that whatever the lens is it completely undermines the history
00:23:17.320and the moment right you're supposed to read texts in the context that they were designed
00:23:22.340to be written and you're trying to connect with the writer right like it's it's a bizarre
00:23:25.840understanding of how to read that whole kind of a narcissistic way of looking at it like we're
00:23:34.440going to do it through this lens i find relevant right now yeah exactly it's it's yeah it's it's
00:23:40.180not i don't like it yeah it's not ideal um what about me i'm less like vocal about things than
00:23:47.840dad yeah yeah you are um where do we disagree i mean i think that i think i'm just more polite
00:23:56.840than you well that's definitely true and so i think most of the time when we disagree at least
00:24:02.000it's that you know about things that you've said publicly it's it's more about the way that you've
00:24:07.620said it than what you're saying okay i can get behind that and and i think that's just primarily
00:24:12.880result that I'm I don't know I guess I'm just more polite in the way that I frame things often
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00:26:19.460this episode oh i we have some funny stories from this did you guys fight when you were little or
00:26:24.600now and i was recalling this to mom the other day oh yeah so we would get into like little kid
00:26:32.180fights yeah for sure obviously because we're very close in age and i remember this one time we were
00:26:36.980in the basement and i must have said something to provoke you no you threw this little porcelain
00:26:43.540bear oh do you remember this i remember throwing something at you okay you threw it and it hit me
00:26:48.500in the head and it's this little porcelain bear which is like that's a rocky and he did have a
00:26:53.000good arm it whipped it and it hit me in the head and i remember going that didn't hurt and then
00:26:57.440going into my room and crying yeah anyway nice i mean i mean not not necessarily well i mean yeah
00:27:07.700i mean i don't know what you said but i'm sure it was snippy enough that it deserved a bear hurled
00:27:11.500at you for um but i wouldn't say we uh fight now no no we just had like normal we also didn't fight
00:27:20.600a whole lot as kids like no our we had a very good relationship as kids we always had because
00:27:25.560we were so close in age and only one grade apart our friend groups were always overlapped yeah so
00:27:31.480we played a lot together and so we mostly just played together and you know we got into fights
00:27:35.160like any siblings do but there was a pretty good trust between us um for sure yeah yeah yeah and
00:27:43.920then in high school you wanted to party all the time yeah i was gonna bring these people out of
00:27:46.720my house i was gonna i was like should we delve into that i used to have i was a grade above and
00:27:53.060i used to want to have parties and they weren't crazy like police parties they were
00:27:57.36012 12 13 people no no were they bigger than that yeah they're probably 20 20 people what huge though
00:28:04.880okay okay anyway not huge and we were in the basement so like parents couldn't hear and i
00:28:10.240wanted to have a party every weekend like basically as much as i could and have people over and i do
00:28:16.100all the cleaning and julian would be like absolutely not and i'd invite them anyway i'd be
00:28:20.640like i'm gonna clean up everything my friends they're my friends too oh and it got worse because
00:28:25.280i had to take a fifth year of university yeah um because i had my hip and ankle replaced in grade
00:28:30.06011 and i missed six months of grade 11 and six months of grade 12 which basically screwed up
00:28:35.600two years of high school so i needed to get high school credits and then in the fifth year there
00:28:40.000were some fifth years which was kind of normal in our art school because a lot of people took a fifth
00:28:44.280year to do more art courses but then my friend group was latched on to your friend group because
00:28:51.300everyone was a year younger than me in retrospect it was quite fun but in the moment I remember like
00:28:56.140going upstairs and steaming and being like oh my god she's done but then you partied oh of course
00:29:00.360I did yeah yeah I like to party I just didn't like the party being designed behind my back
00:29:05.760is it difficult having family that are so vehemently disagreed with by people online
00:29:16.440has that affected your friend group at all like a little bit but not not too much i mean i think
00:29:24.180the reality is that everybody who says anything online is disagreed with um and so i don't really
00:29:30.300see that as evidence of anything except for publicity essentially um and being public in the
00:29:38.660you know discussion of current events and philosophy and and all of that right there's
00:29:44.380going to be disagreement and that's okay and that's that's part of the game um you know it
00:29:49.800has made i think it's it changes it sometimes changes the way you talk to people it does i
00:29:56.720I mean, the reality is that, like, I do know some people who don't like things that are said by either you or my dad or whoever it is.
00:30:09.140And so there's definitely been moments, and we've had some moments with people who weren't, like, good friends but just were acquaintances where you could tell it was just getting in the way of the relationship, which is unfortunate because, like, I try to collect friends who I can talk to openly.
00:30:25.860um yeah um but i also have a lot of old friends and so the reality is that you know a lot of
00:30:33.580a lot of these people are connected to me prior to any of this publicity uh and so yeah it's
00:30:41.480different it creates um a different dynamic sometimes but it hasn't it hasn't been a true
00:30:47.660problem and i think that mostly both my friends and i have done a good job of keeping the lines
00:30:55.300communication open and keeping the relationship up to date and and the trust there that's good
00:31:01.460no yeah so no i don't find it difficult other than the obvious difficulty of when you know when
00:31:08.920things are said it actually you know everyone knows better at least a lot of people know better
00:31:12.720it's in the news and that's there's more stress there of course there is um although i try not
00:31:17.600to read it anymore yeah yeah yeah and i've gotten better at that over the years it's just getting
00:31:23.360used to what to pay attention to and what not to pay attention to uh in terms of the publicity
00:31:30.080that's accrued through whatever it is um yeah yeah like almost ignore everything yeah yeah
00:31:37.560not everything but almost everything yeah when i find like if i start reading too much i just
00:31:42.840delete the apps yeah i probably do that once every four or five months when i get too addicted i
00:31:49.140just delete them like x yeah yeah instagram instagram too yeah i just delete all of them
00:31:55.360i deleted reddit permanently because it just it just reddit is i used to like reddit quite a bit
00:32:00.540and then over the last like three years yeah it hates me i went on there one time i was like oh
00:32:06.360my gosh this is what they think yeah geez yeah reddit is kind of and it's gotten worse like i
00:32:13.580would say like four or five years ago it was a pretty vibrant intellectual community on there
00:32:18.360and not really a too much like of one particular opinion but it's gotten a lot worse and I think
00:32:27.480that's partly just because a lot of people have stopped using it and so it you know when the group
00:32:31.840of people shrinks it you know often it creates an echo chamber so I don't really use that one
00:32:37.500anymore and yeah I like to delete the other ones if I find myself too enthralled with them that's
00:32:44.060probably a good rule for everybody yeah it's a good one i'm also using like a screen time app
00:32:48.460right now called opal that i think i just downloaded that did you get an ad for it on
00:32:53.120instagram probably instagram ads my god they're good yeah they are good like i don't think i've
00:32:57.220ever been i actually appreciate instagram ads i do need that thank you for listening
00:33:01.620yeah yeah i know i've they get me way more than any other ads yeah yeah i don't know how they do
00:33:07.460it but they probably listen to everything you say yeah arguments everything it's crazy yeah but
00:33:12.800useful it's like it takes a little bit of searching off my plate yeah so i anyway i
00:33:16.580downloaded that one and that that's been good um because it just kind of allows you to i mean it's
00:33:20.880it just takes advantage of the built-in screen time stuff in ios but uh it's kind of a nice
00:33:26.340interface and makes it more difficult to bypass the screen block because you try to open an app
00:33:32.400and it's like actually you have to wait 20 seconds but i wanted it now
00:33:37.200oh okay maybe i'll turn that on that's not too annoying you can also change that a little bit
00:33:45.040but the 20 seconds is pretty good that's like enough time like i shouldn't be if you're kind
00:33:49.740of a person that's a little bit you know you're like oh 20 seconds i could do like quite a bit
00:33:53.420stuff in that 20 seconds then it's enough that you just shut it off that's funny yeah
00:33:59.900well we could do this on this how have you dealt with your dad's sudden rise to fame
00:34:03.560i mean i think pretty well overall i you know i it's been it's been very weird and it continues
00:34:13.600to be very weird uh you know obviously in 2016 it was we were mostly just trying to keep up and
00:34:21.880stay above the water um and so that was interesting i was living with mom and dad at the time uh and
00:34:27.640And so I was very, I guess, involved with that period of time.
00:34:32.940And then, I don't know, we had family trouble for like the next three years, four years.