The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - November 10, 2026


＂At a Breaking Point＂ - Carney and Joly in Big Trouble After Massive Job Loss Scandal!

＂Liberals Suck At Lying＂ - Carney's Budget 2026 is Already a Disaster Carney Wrecks Himself with One Big Dumb Lie - Stellantis Factory Closure

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00:00:00 It looks like Prime Minister Mark Carney and the Liberals are in serious trouble today as
00:00:05 Industry Minister Melanie Jolie gets targeted by Pierre Polyev and the Conservatives after
00:00:10 several months of manufacturing job losses. The Liberals seem to think that they couldn't be
00:00:16 unpopular again because every time Carney fought with President Donald Trump and the Americans,
00:00:21 it would artificially boost the Liberals' popularity, but now the economy is catching
00:00:26 back up to them. Check out this letter that Melanie Jolie posted on X a few days ago. They
00:00:34 knew things were getting bad when it came to the economy and they were throwing out as many excuses
00:00:39 as they could find. Melanie Jolie has been doing this game for about like a month now where every 0.85
00:00:45 once in a while she puts out a letter like scolding a company for laying people off rather
00:00:50 than wondering why there are so many companies laying off workers right now. In this letter
00:00:56 She says, here's my statement calling on the competition commissioner to review Stelco's actions.
00:01:03 Stelco is the steel company that had laid off 500 workers temporarily recently.
00:01:09 And for some reason, Melanie Jolie and the Liberals thought it was a good look for them to attack the company and try and potentially take them to court.
00:01:19 Except they're probably in the wrong, so everything has really just been a lot of dumb demand letters and threats without ever actually stepping into the courtroom.
00:01:28 But this letter reads,
00:01:30 Following extensive discussions with our legal team over the past week, I sent a letter to the competition commissioner asking them thoroughly examine whether Cleveland Cliffs' conduct in the Canadian marketplace warrants enforcement action under the Competition Act.
00:01:46 Last Monday, Cleveland Cliffs CEO Lorenzo Gonglaves stated live on air, quote, I bought Stelco because I could not afford anymore having Stelco flooding the market here in the United States to the detriment of my own company.
00:02:02 For the workers at Stelco's facilities in Hamilton and Natakok, this was a shocking admission as it was for the government.
00:02:10 If negotiations and acquisitions were conducted in bad faith, Canadians deserve to know the company needs to face the consequences.
00:02:20 It is the commissioner's responsibility to examine this matter thoroughly and, if warranted, take the appropriate measures.
00:02:26 They're now going after Gonglaves for a comment he made in an interview and basically acting as if he nefariously purchased Stelco, which actually saved a bunch of jobs because Stelco was going out of business, only to prevent Stelco from ever succeeding again.
00:02:46 It's like, what? He literally prevented the company from going out of business back in like 2020 or 2022 or something like that. It was only a few years ago. And now they're attacking him for being the villain. Like, what? But this is what the liberals have devolved into. Attacking private businesses, especially if they have American owners, for what is a bad economy right now in Canada.
00:03:12 And she just did the same thing 22 hours ago to Stellantis because they're going to be selling off a factory in Brampton, which is going to result in thousands of job losses, even though it seems like the liberals were the ones who approved the sale.
00:03:29 Melanie Jolie here says,
00:03:30 Here is my statement on Stellantis.
00:03:33 Stellantis's decision does not erase the commitments they made to workers in Brampton.
00:03:38 We remain focused on finding solutions for the more 2,000 affected workers and their families.
00:03:43 They deserve answers, respect, and above all, a secure future.
00:03:47 All parties must come back to the bargaining table.
00:03:50 I have reached out to the representatives of Unifor, Stellantis, the government of Ontario, and the Brampton plant to convene a meeting later this week.
00:03:57 I expect them to come to the table with a single focus, protecting good-paying jobs in Brampton. 0.99
00:04:04 This is all stupid. 1.00
00:04:07 The economy sucks. 1.00
00:04:09 I've solved the problem for you, Melanie Jolie. 0.92
00:04:12 Cut taxes, cut regulations, and jobs will not leave.
00:04:15 But they think that they can strong-arm companies into just keeping people employed, whether the goods they are manufacturing have any end-of-sale possibility or not.
00:04:28 The problem is you can't force Stelco to produce more steel than they can sell, and you can't force Stellantis to produce more cars than they can sell. 0.93
00:04:37 The economy sucks. Get a trade deal.
00:04:40 That is what the Liberal government should be doing, but they're not.
00:04:43 And that is exactly why the Conservatives right now are targeting Melanie Jolie for destruction, because she is one of the big pillars in this current Liberal government, and if the Conservatives can destroy her reputation, rightfully so, then I think they can start getting at Mark Carney himself.
00:05:05 Polyev here says,
00:05:06 2,000 Canadian jobs got elbowed south
00:05:09 after Liberals offered the company
00:05:10 billions of tax dollars in handouts.
00:05:13 Mark Carney must fire his costly
00:05:15 job-killing industry minister.
00:05:17 And it is true that at one point,
00:05:18 I believe Stelco was being subsidized
00:05:20 by the Canadian government.
00:05:22 And after those subsidies ran out,
00:05:25 the company is now just going to flee down south
00:05:27 because the economy is better.
00:05:29 That's literally it.
00:05:31 So they put out this graphic saying,
00:05:33 Mark Carney must fire his costly job-killing industry minister. Obviously, this is a lot of
00:05:37 kind of political rhetoric and whatnot. It's all calculated for effect. I'm not saying that
00:05:43 any of it's profound. But the fact that the Conservatives seem to have a keen focus on
00:05:47 taking out Jolie is, I think, a great step forward. It's a small-scale goal that if the 0.98
00:05:53 Conservatives can achieve it, it's kicking out one leg from the chair that Mark Carney is currently
00:05:58 sitting on. I just want to now jump over to a clip of Polly speaking on this issue out front 0.86
00:06:04 of the Brampton plant, I believe here. I want to get the longer clip here. Okay, here it is from CPAC. 0.92
00:06:11 The Liberal strategies fail to defend jobs from Stellantis to Stelco, both under this same
00:06:17 costly job-killing Liberal industry ministry. In both cases, the Liberals promised that they would
00:06:24 get the jobs back. In both cases, the Liberals put out letters that the media then generously
00:06:31 reported on, threatening that they were going to take legal action if the jobs didn't return.
00:06:37 The jobs didn't return, and guess what? The threats went nowhere. The Liberal Minister blinked
00:06:44 and backed down. No lawsuit, no jobs. And because the Liberal Minister refused to take her promised
00:06:51 action our country has lost yet another auto plant and workers have lost yet more jobs 0.98
00:06:57 she wrote yesterday that workers deserve answers minister they deserve their damn jobs and 0.96
00:07:04 canadians deserve their damn tax dollars in fact canadians deserve accountability from your costly 0.98
00:07:11 job-killing liberal government this liberal industry minister just like champagne before her 0.98
00:07:17 And the entire Liberal government is costing Canadians money and jobs and driving our economy into the ditch. 0.72
00:07:24 All we got from the minister yesterday was more theatre.
00:07:27 She's been threatening lawsuits for years.
00:07:29 She's done nothing.
00:07:31 That is why today the official opposition is calling for the Liberal Prime Minister to fire his failed, costly, job-killing Liberal industry minister.
00:07:42 We expect Canadians also to get the billions of tax dollars back that the Liberals handed over to this multinational corporation.
00:07:51 And because of Mark Carney's arrogant personality and inability to actually take accountability for anything, I doubt he's actually going to get rid of Melanie Jolie, which is exactly what Polyev wants him to do.
00:08:04 He wants him to keep Melanie Jolie, but a minister who has an awful reputation.
00:08:10 Because Justin Trudeau didn't just become unpopular because he was personally unpopular. 0.98
00:08:15 It's because his cabinet was full of incompetent buffoons, people like Melanie Jolie, that 0.96
00:08:21 eventually spoiled the entire thing and the liberals dropped to the low 20s in terms of 0.96
00:08:26 their overall national support.
00:08:28 I want to now take you guys over to what the Unifor president is saying about the liberals
00:08:33 Because far be it from me to agree with a union, because typically they support all these government-enforced job requirements and everything, that I find, frankly, ridiculous.
00:08:44 Have a good economy. Have a good regulatory environment.
00:08:50 And you won't need to tell companies to employ people.
00:08:52 They'll employ them because business will be booming.
00:08:55 But the Unifor president is right here from the perspective that the liberals keep saying
00:09:01 that they're going to enforce these job requirements on companies, and yet they never actually
00:09:06 take action.
00:09:07 The reason they're not trying to step into the courtroom with Stellantis or Stelco or
00:09:11 Cleveland Cliffs, the owners of Stelco, is because they would lose.
00:09:15 If they could win the action, they would do it because companies are risk averse, and
00:09:20 if they knew they were in the wrong, they would settle in some way or they would take
00:09:23 some action to please the government, you basically get into a fighting posture the
00:09:29 way Stellantis and Stelko have when you know that you would beat the government and they'd
00:09:33 probably end up having to pay two times what your legal costs are. So check out this clip
00:09:39 from the Unifor president, Lana Payne, who is saying that the liberals would have had to been
00:09:44 complicit in letting Stellantis make the sale. Today's announcement waves the white flag.
00:09:49 and we believe the only way this could have happened is if all parties agreed and that's
00:09:56 the real tragedy here because for all of the tough talk that we've heard from government over the past
00:10:03 12 months and for all of the assurances that we've gotten from this company about Brampton's future
00:10:09 this is still the outcome and it's simply not good enough and our biggest fear is that this creates
00:10:18 a pathway for other automakers to follow suit there is a lot we still don't know about this
00:10:26 sale or whether this now satisfies the conditions of stelantis's breach of commitment with the
00:10:32 federal government but i will say it's really hard to believe this plant could have been sold
00:10:39 without some green light from the federal government and i wanted to bring up another
00:10:44 clip in just a second here, then I want to analyze a specific Brampton area federal writing to
00:10:50 demonstrate just how bad this is for the liberals. Because yes, the liberals are leading like 10
00:10:55 points in the national polls right now. But that was all polling from before the budget dropped,
00:11:01 where there's going to be higher immigration rates, there is going to be more deficit spending,
00:11:05 more debt interest costs. At the same time, we are losing jobs. The liberals were already
00:11:12 going to be dropping further in the polls after budget 2026 and now they will be dropping more
00:11:18 after the Stellantis plant sale that they're being hammered on from all sides from fiscal
00:11:24 conservatives from trade unionists from everybody nobody likes the way the liberals have been
00:11:29 dealing with this check out this clip in mid-september minister minister jolie and the
00:11:34 premier both said that they wanted to see a new model in that plant today we saw a statement from
00:11:40 from the minister saying that they're looking for solutions.
00:11:43 So what do you think changed?
00:11:44 Do you think this was just something she couldn't see a way out of
00:11:47 other than to see a sale go through?
00:11:50 Well, you'll have to ask her that.
00:11:51 But I will say about that statement that this four-party meeting
00:11:56 that we are scheduled to have later in this week,
00:11:59 this was at the request of our union.
00:12:01 This was not organized by the minister, as that would suggest.
00:12:05 And secondly, there is a reference to getting back to the bargaining table,
00:12:09 And I will just say, I don't need the advice of the industry minister on how to bargain a collective agreement.
00:12:15 We know what we're doing here.
00:12:17 So, yeah, not great.
00:12:19 Basically calling the industry minister a liar that when she was been trying to find solutions to this and preserve jobs,
00:12:26 that she's actually been sitting there doing nothing.
00:12:29 And Unifor and other actors have been the main drivers of trying to actually come to a deal to preserve some of the jobs.
00:12:36 Again, I don't like usually a union solution to these type of problems. I like a market-driven solution where we cut government spending, reduce taxes, reduce regulations, and let the market work properly.
00:12:51 But from a liberal perspective, from like a left-leaning voter perspective, you couldn't possibly take the side of Melanie Jolie. You're either going to be moving conservative because you're a working class guy losing his job and you like the poly of conservatives more, or you're some sort of leftist who doesn't like that workers are being hurt by the liberal government and you're going to be moving towards the NDP.
00:13:15 There's no way the Liberals pull out of this with gaining any popularity, let alone even treading water where they're at.
00:13:23 They're going to be losing popularity in this region. 0.79
00:13:26 I'll let Lana Payne here finish, then I want to jump over to a Brampton riding as an example.
00:13:30 And the reality is, is that the problem has been from the beginning that Stellantis has said that they have wanted to sell this plant, and we have said no.
00:13:40 the government has said that this is potentially a breach of continued breach of the contract
00:13:45 we'll do something about that instead here we are with a sale although I will say if you read
00:13:52 closely to their press release today they do say that there are conditions that have to be met for
00:13:57 that sale to go through and I would say what are those conditions and we need to make sure that our
00:14:02 union understands what that is and I would say all parties including the federal government and
00:14:08 Stellantis and Rochelle need to explain what the conditions of those sales are.
00:14:13 And so that is also revealing the fact that she has been, Melanie Jolie has been hiding
00:14:18 information from Unifor.
00:14:20 You think Unifor should be one of the parties in this situation that should have all the
00:14:25 information at their fingertips, you know, not private information from the company itself.
00:14:29 You know, you're not going to be giving all their financial statements over to Unifor,
00:14:33 But just more of an insight into what the actual discussions are between the federal government and Stellantis, what the sort of current state of the jobs is at, who the sale is going to, is there going to be a new model of vehicle made at that plant, is it going to bring back the jobs in time?
00:14:51 They have been given no information here.
00:14:54 But now I want to take you guys over to a specific Brampton area riding that this will have a big effect on, I believe.
00:15:00 So we have here Brampton East in the 2025 election. Maninder Sidhu has won the riding with only 48% of the vote to the Conservatives, 44%.
00:15:14 Now, the liberals, the conservatives had gained a lot off of the NDP falling in this area. And it's just because in actual working class ridings with manufacturing, the conservatives are becoming the working class party, whereas the NDP used to be that for a lot of voters because the NDP used to be more of a trade unionist party, not a public sector union party.
00:15:39 but especially with Jagmeet Singh and now Avi Lewis, it's a public sector healthcare worker
00:15:45 party. It's not a party for people who work at auto plants. The Conservatives in 2025 only lost
00:15:52 this riding by 4%, a little bit less than 4%. The Liberals actually fell in this riding from 2021,
00:16:01 despite the fact that the Liberals' votes overall in Canada had been going up in 2025. And it's
00:16:07 because these sort of heavier industry manufacturing ridings in the GTA and southwestern Ontario are
00:16:15 actually becoming more socially, culturally, economically conservative. So with all of this
00:16:21 going down in Stellantis-Brampton plant, do you think that they wouldn't be able to close the
00:16:26 gap, the poly of conservatives? Very obviously. It would be very easy for the conservatives at
00:16:31 this point to end up taking that riding from the liberals, and that's why they will be putting so
00:16:36 much uh you know they'll be putting so much um like pressure on this particular issue and going
00:16:42 after melanie joe lee here is um mark carney talking about workers in the aftermath of all
00:16:48 this news uh not not really giving much hope to anybody that the liberals are going to be able to
00:16:53 do something the situation uh in salantis is uh the brampton plan is unacceptable it it violates
00:17:02 the obligations that Stellantis has under several agreements, but to be more fundamental.
00:17:12 It's a betrayal of the workers, as it is a betrayal of the obligations to Canada and by extension to all Canadians.
00:17:23 Apparently, though, Mark Carney himself has no obligation to go and negotiate a trade deal with the Americans,
00:17:28 which would actually solve probably half the issues that are currently plaguing things like
00:17:33 the auto plants that have been shutting down and the steel mills. If he went and actually
00:17:38 hammered out an agreement over time, it's not going to be pleasant, it's not going to be fun,
00:17:43 but going in and generally getting what Canadians need, then we could solve all this. But we're
00:17:49 going to be going after Stellantis for not meeting their obligations. What are those obligations?
00:17:53 I don't know. They're always so vague about how many workers they're supposed to keep employed or if they're allowed to lay off anyone for any reason.
00:18:01 And again, they never take them to court, so I can only conclude they know they're in the wrong.
00:18:06 And as Mark Warner, the trade lawyer, said on CBC, Canada cannot be a suicide-packed economy where if you invest here, we do not let you lay off anyone.
00:18:17 You are not allowed to shrink your operations.
00:18:20 You cannot do anything that the Canadian government doesn't want you to do.
00:18:24 It's like, come on, people.
00:18:26 How are you supposed to bring new investors into Canada when if the economy turns south, the company cannot make any adjustments to try and compensate for it?
00:18:35 They're supposed to keep full employment no matter what.
00:18:39 We will fully enforce our rights in protection of those workers and protection of Canadian funds.
00:18:47 And the issue is not the work, the exceptional work of the Minister of Industry,
00:18:54 Madame Joly, and her colleagues.
00:18:57 It is the behavior of the company versus those workers.
00:19:03 And there'll be a meeting of all stakeholders, which, I mean,
00:19:07 the Minister is in constant contact, I know, because I'm regularly briefed at all hours.
00:19:11 and there'll be a meeting of all stakeholders on Thursday on ways to move forward.
00:19:18 But make no mistake, we will enforce our rights absolutely in protection of those workers.
00:19:22 You know what a topic makes Mark Carney uncomfortable or he's lying because, like always,
00:19:28 he always turns into a machine gun of ums and ahs.
00:19:30 Now let's contrast that with the way that Pierre Polyev talks about this issue at his press conference today.
00:19:36 And what I'm highlighting here is just a stylistic difference.
00:19:40 If you're a working class voter or you're married to somebody in a working class area of the economy, you are not going to like Mark Carney's whole, we're going to get all the stakeholders to the table and negotiate and enforce obligations and whatnot.
00:19:58 It's boring and just not imagistically good for those type of voters.
00:20:04 Whereas pure poly gets working class voters way better than Mark Carney.
00:20:08 This is why, despite the fact that both the Conservatives and Liberals increased their vote counts in the last federal election, when it came to a lot of Southwest Ontario ridings and GTA ridings, it was mainly just the Conservatives gaining in those areas and the Liberals trying to fend off Conservative gains.
00:20:27 But now check out Polyev, the way he's talking about this issue in front of the plant with union workers protesting behind him. Not about him, obviously, they're protesting the closure.
00:20:38 now you asked about food bank loose i'm telling you we are at a breaking point
00:20:44 we are at a breaking point the working class in this country is just hanging on by its fingernails
00:20:53 it is desperate out there i would say four or five times a day now i have people come up to
00:21:01 me in tears saying they have no idea how they're going to make it and they're all saying that it's
00:21:07 way worse today than it was a year and a half ago in March of 2025, when Mark Carney took office.
00:21:14 This can't go on. Our people deserve a better life than this. And I will commit to you that
00:21:19 we will fight for you every single day. My message is to Canadians, don't give up hope.
00:21:24 We'll keep fighting for you. So I think that's far more compelling to the average Canadian when it
00:21:29 comes to the current economy than Mark Carney's, well, we'll get into a boardroom and discuss it
00:21:35 with stakeholders type way of dealing with these crises. Mark Carney contrasts well with a
00:21:42 President Donald Trump, and him getting into these little mini rhetorical jouts with Trump
00:21:46 does make Carney more popular. But when you start to seem out of touch with the actual,
00:21:52 you know, kitchen table issues with Canadians, that is going to kill your chances of being
00:21:57 reelected. Look at Trump in the United States. Before the midterms, he started saying things
00:22:02 about the economy that made him seem out of touch about how, well, who cares if diesel prices and
00:22:07 gas prices are up overall, you know, things are quite good. He would sort of say things that
00:22:12 seem dismissive of people's problems. And that caused a lot of voters to turn on the Republicans.
00:22:18 Mark Carney is doing that on steroids when he's trying to address massive job losses by saying,
00:22:24 we're going to have a little, you know, roundtable discussion with, you know, with scones and coffee
00:22:31 and see if we can work this thing out.
00:22:33 The thing is that pure poly channels the anger and frustrations of people
00:22:38 far better than Mark Carney is.
00:22:40 And as I think Donald Trump becomes less politically relevant in Canada
00:22:44 over the next couple of years, what is Mark Carney going to rest on?
00:22:48 How is he going to pitch to people, or what is his pitch for people to vote for him again?
00:22:54 I don't know.
00:22:55 Genuinely, I can't name anything that would make the average Canadian want to line back up for him
00:22:59 Other than, I guess, a more diminished elbows-up pitch, it's not going to be nearly as powerful in, like, a year or two when Donald Trump is either only president for another six months or there might be a different president.
00:23:14 Anyways, but before I end this video, I do want to just show one more thing that is a big pet peeve of mine when it comes to polling and the way that people interpret it.
00:23:23 But Trending Politics here, which is associated with the Canada Proud brand, put out this polling number related to Mark Carney's popularity.
00:23:32 Now, they're not supporting Mark Carney.
00:23:33 They're just putting out, you know, polling information and news items that, you know, could go viral on social media.
00:23:40 I think they put stuff out like this because it will annoy conservatives and they'll be sharing and saying, oh, my goodness, I can't believe this is a bunch of nonsense.
00:23:47 But the way that they served up this poll is just wrong. One liaison is not a good pollster. Even this pollster actually still showed the polling tightening. It had the Bloc Québécois at only 5% nationally, which, no, they're not. They're much higher than that.
00:24:04 The PQ just won the Quebec provincial election, and you think the Bloc Québécois is going down in the polls? No. If anything, PSPP, now being the Premier of Quebec, is going to boost the Bloc. But even this poll about Carney's popularity, his approval rating, does not say what trending politics says that it says.
00:24:24 You actually need to look at the poll itself to determine what it's actually attempting to say.
00:24:30 And it's not even a good quality poll, but even then, the poll is still not as good for Carney as this post is making it out to be.
00:24:38 Trending Politics says,
00:24:39 Prime Minister Mark Carney's approval edges up to 65% after his budget, with disapproval holding at 28%.
00:24:46 The Liberals lead by 23 points among women, but just 3% among men, even though both groups approve of Carney at similar rates.
00:24:54 liaison strategies no no this was not but this was not he that his approval is not edging up
00:25:01 after his budget this poll was conducted between october 25th and november 5th that is not or it
00:25:09 was of november 7th that is only two days that would have actually taken into account the budget
00:25:16 being released this is not mark carney's approval rating going up after the budget and by the way
00:25:22 This poll also showed the Liberals' national polling going down.
00:25:27 Whenever you have a pollster that is showing both a leader's approval going up by multiple points,
00:25:33 at the same time their party's actual polling is going down, it's a bad poll.
00:25:38 By the way, that gap between men and women is just cartoonishly big.
00:25:43 It's just probably way too many urbanites being polled at the same time that they have a really bad sample when it comes to Alberta and the prairies.
00:25:51 I think they showed that the gap between the Liberals and Conservatives in Alberta was only 5%.
00:25:57 Nonsense.
00:25:59 In the Prairies, I think they showed that the Conservatives and Liberals were tied.
00:26:03 No, they're not.
00:26:04 If the Liberals were ever 15 points ahead of the Conservatives,
00:26:08 the Conservatives in an election would still win Saskatchewan by like 15 points or 20 points.
00:26:14 It's just Saskatchewan.
00:26:15 Alberta would still be won by the Conservatives by a pretty good margin because it's Alberta.
00:26:20 Just as if the Conservatives started leading the Liberals by 15%, like a real 15%, they wouldn't be winning Toronto ridings. It's just Toronto is Toronto, and the culture is just not something that overlaps very well when it comes to Conservative politics.
00:26:35 Conservatives would still come fourth or fifth place in Montreal because it's Montreal. Whenever I see these polls purporting to show the realities of Canadian politics completely inverting, I reject it outright.
00:26:50 I'd need to see an actual result demonstrating that that region of the country is moving hard
00:26:56 for the liberals. Do you think Saskatchewan farmers are moving for the liberals? No. No,
00:27:02 they're not. That's not happening. Because it is a rural Saskatchewan voter who doesn't like
00:27:07 the social politics, the fiscal politics, or even just the general cultural politics
00:27:12 of the federal liberal party. Anyways, with all that being said, thank you for listening to my
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